Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1183: Overhead Press Variations, the Benefits of Arching Back When Benching, When to Superset & MORE

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, M media, they posted a question underneath the quam meme. We're so interactive. We picked four of them and then we answered them. But the way we open this episode is with our introductory conversation where we cover current events, studies, our lives, and we tend to also mention some of our sponsors. Farts to kill mosquitoes. Here's what we talked about in this episode. We started by talking about red denoids.

Starting point is 00:00:41 Red denoids are compounds that you can put on your skin to make your skin look younger. Some of these are found in nature. There's a company that we're working with called Caldera. They make a face serum that seems to be making Adam look younger. Look at that baby face. Look at that. Six months younger.

Starting point is 00:01:00 Good Chevy Cheeks. Now Caldera is one of our sponsors. If you go to Caldera Lab that's C-A-L-D-E-R-A-L-A-B, dot com forward slash mine pump, you'll get a full 20% off your first Caldera lab purchase of their products. Then we talked about being intimidated by the gym. We often get messages from people who say they want to work out, but going to gym is just a bit intimidating, especially as beginners.

Starting point is 00:01:27 So we talked about the value of working out at home. Unfortunately, getting home Jim equipment has been in the past, very expensive, got to pay the whole thing up front. And it takes up a ton of space, not anymore. Not anymore. PRX, one of our sponsors, makes equipment that folds into the wall. The profile is tiny. You can fit it in almost any room.

Starting point is 00:01:47 And you can also do a payment plan with your equipment like paying a gym membership. So you have a full gym in your garage that folds up against the wall. You can still park your car in there, pay monthly, and your set. PRX is one of our sponsors. If you go to PRXPerformance.com,com forward slash mind pump and use the promo code mind pump, you'll get five percent off your purchase and a free maps prime program with the purchase of $500 or more. Then we talked about exercise and happiness.

Starting point is 00:02:15 Studies shows that exercising makes you happier than making a lot of money, which is kind of cool. We talked about the $4 million lawsuit that CrossFit one against NSCA. Good for you guys. We talked about cryptocurrency and how that's the future. I talked about an article I read about a woman who caught her boyfriend cheating

Starting point is 00:02:35 because she watched his fit bit. That's funny. Beware guys. Then Justin talked about a article that was extremely fascinating to him. Apparently a man in Uganda can kill mosquitoes with his fart. I talked about how a man got a bone marrow transplant and it changed the DNA of his sperm. That's crazy.

Starting point is 00:02:54 And then we talked about the Joe Rogan podcast with Wilkes versus Cressor, debating game changers versus eating a balanced omnivore diet. And then we got in the fitness portion of this episode. The first question was, what's the difference between the front shoulder press and the behind the head overhead shoulder press? Like, what's the difference? Which one's better? Which one's worse?

Starting point is 00:03:16 Next question, why do lifters arch their back during a bench press? Is there any benefit to this or value? The next question, what are the pros and cons of doing a super set that's where you combine two exercises into one big set make them super and the final exercise was excuse me final question was do we think that gamification like the fit bit or other types of technology have valued. They build long-term habits. We had a nice little discussion in debate

Starting point is 00:03:49 in that part of the episode. Also this month, if you're looking, if you're looking to shape and sculpt your body as you see fit, if your main motivation for working out is to achieve a body that looks phenomenal. In other words, you're really concerned with aesthetics. We have the program for you. It's called Maps aesthetic.

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Starting point is 00:04:46 The best client ever trained because he's a fucking, the guy's a sponge. But also I got to look at someone who inspired me. And think to myself like, wow, if I could look like him. Strong as a champ. At his age, I would be winning. I think I said this on the podcast about a year ago. We are maybe two, three years away at most of everybody thinking

Starting point is 00:05:06 Doug is the youngest one of the group. Or for sure, it's pretty fucking close right now. If it's something to you, if someone who's never heard mine pump ran into us and met us for the first time and you said, put our ages in order. Doug, I'm pretty sure Doug would not get put as the oldest. No, why are you looking at me like? You know what it is? It's part of it's a skin, which I and I know Adam, you're a little bit like, I don't want to look old. There's a little bit of you. That's a little. I don't want to be older. You see me over here. I want to look like a kid trying

Starting point is 00:05:40 to freeze yourself and see me. That way you're rubbing all day. I'm rubbing Sarah. I'm rubbing all over my face. You're rubbing Sarah. I'm rubbing all over my face. It's supposed to be like, yeah, you're rubbing all those retinoids all over your face from the hey, dude, they say it's supposed to work, dude. I like it. I swear, it feel better. Yeah, do you know what retinoids do for the skin?

Starting point is 00:05:56 Hopefully it's not like hemorrhoids. No. Yeah, please got it on. If I don't want that on my face on my face, yeah, they're uncomfortable. Hemorrhoids of the eyeball, retinoids. No, it's retinoids. And they can be found some,

Starting point is 00:06:08 and we can be found naturally, like caldera, for example. And there's some synthetic ones. The caldera doesn't have the synthetic ones, you'd have to buy other ones. But anyway, what they do is they speed up the cell, turn over process of your skin. So when you rub this stuff on your skin, the cells die off faster and get replaced faster by

Starting point is 00:06:26 younger looking cell or by younger cells, which then makes you look younger. So that's why you rub the stuff on and you know, and they've done studies on this and they'll show that they do reduce the appearance of fine lines, regenerating like a lizard and wrinkle. You know, Katrina said something to me the day. What'd she say? She said that I looked six months younger. Wow. I'll take months.

Starting point is 00:06:50 I'll take that to start. Yeah. She's perceptive. How do you do that? She used to. Holy shit. That's my very precise. My birthday pickup line.

Starting point is 00:06:59 Wait a minute. Hold on. Hold on. Hold your son. Hold your son. Four months. It makes sense. You look as young as. Hold his son. Four months. Oh, it's gonna make sense. You look as young as you did before we had a different. You're almost back.

Starting point is 00:07:09 Which, yeah, I mean, let's be honest. That accelerates you by like, I like, oh, bro. Yeah, most people have a kid and they look like 10 years older than us, dude. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I dress young, but I do not look at. So I'm going the other direction, right?

Starting point is 00:07:22 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's impressive, huh? I think we're not doing bad. Come on, man. We're all right? Yeah, that's impressive, huh? I think we're not doing bad, come on man. We're all right. Right? No, no, we're good. Until you look at old pictures. Oh, you know, and you know what?

Starting point is 00:07:31 It's just like, oh! There was that one picture of Adam and I when we were doing the maps. It was, yeah, it was a commercial or some video we did for maps. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like four or five years right when Adam was competing and everything, and he was like,

Starting point is 00:07:44 those five years ago cut. And I look at the pictures and I'm like, wow, look at those two kids. I'm like, wait a minute. He's young, handsome guys. Like, what do I mean, aging in dog ears? What's going on here? No gray hairs or nothing. I saw that.

Starting point is 00:07:53 It looked, whatever. Yeah. Like, I don't just get tells me that I'm looking better as an agent. And I tell you what, it's why I love her because she lies for my sake. You know what I mean? She's closing.

Starting point is 00:08:04 She does it, you know, well. She's always like the older gentleman. Yeah, anyway. Anyway, I was answering some DMs this morning, and I forgot all about this. This is really fascinating. I wanna see if you guys ever reach this conclusion as well. Took me a long time to figure this out.

Starting point is 00:08:19 So, you know how it's normal for most people to be stronger on their dominant side, right? So if you're right-handed, right arm's gonna be a little bit stronger, more coordination, you use it more, right? You guys ever notice this though, when doing balanced exercises, like single leg toe touches,

Starting point is 00:08:36 that somebody will balance better on their non-dominant side, you ever notice that? Yeah. Well, okay, do you understand why that normally is though right? I think I know why oh you're gonna be wrong No, yeah, cuz it's related to more to sports stuff. So go ahead. No, no, no, hold on. That's exactly what it is Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, so if you're let's say you're right handed and you play soccer You're gonna be kicking with your right leg, which means you'll be balancing means you plant with your left and you dry with your Yeah, yeah, yes, yes, well fuck obviously

Starting point is 00:09:01 your left and you drive with your right. Yeah, that's obvious. Yes. Oh, well, fuck, obvious. I mean, you're always, yeah, that's the thing. So you're planting with, to be able to open and swing your leg. I read two decades later, or jumping in a basketball, you may have left leg sports connected. No, no, no, no.

Starting point is 00:09:16 I remember, I learned this. This is something I was able to communicate. I read it in a book. No, no, no, no. This was like 15 years ago. It was like maybe five years after being a trainer. How about being a sports ball? Because it would confuse me

Starting point is 00:09:25 I remember clients would have better yeah, you know, but five years later. I was like wait a minute No, I remember I remember the same thing Yeah, like you did because you would think that it would be like oh the same side, but it's like no They're normally the sports you're planting on that side and that therefore that side. Yeah, so I got better stability and strength now speaking of DMs I got I've had several of these. That's some fun ones. What? I went nothing.

Starting point is 00:09:48 Whoa, you just sold yourself right now. Whoa, guys. That must be a joke. Why did you go real? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do share. Yeah, I will. Yeah, I will.

Starting point is 00:09:58 That's a problem. Anyway, I've gotten this message many times and I'm guilty of in the past, kind of discrediting it or I would say communicating against it incorrectly or ineffectively, I should say. What do you mean? Well, one of the things that oftentimes that I would hear as a trainer was, I don't like working out in gyms

Starting point is 00:10:22 because it's intimidating or I don't like working out in the freeway area because it's intimidating. And don't like working out in the freeway to area because it's intimidating. And what I used to say to these people was, I didn't empathize. This is before I really understood how to communicate well. And I wouldn't empathize. And I'd say things like, it's your body, nobody cares, go to the gym, do your own thing, don't worry about others, type of deal. And I think the reason why I communicated it that way is because I didn't fully understand what that felt like because I've been in gyms consistently since I was 16. To me, walking into any gym, I feel, it's like home.

Starting point is 00:10:54 I feel no intimidation, I go in there. It doesn't bother me at all. I'll, in fact, this morning I worked out and I didn't, I mean, I got out of bed and went straight to the gym, don't care how I look. I'm comfortable in that environment. But did you start though, I think I remember you saying you started with your cousin like in your backyard.

Starting point is 00:11:12 Was that how you started lifting weights? When I first started working out, it was in my backyard and in the garage. Right. And now when I first went to a gym, remember, I was 16 year old fanatic. I loved, by this point, I'd been two years working out in my garage and in my backyard.

Starting point is 00:11:26 You worked out for two years before you even made it to a gym. Correct. And I was a fanatic. I was reading magazines. I was reading books. And so when I went to a gym, I was excited. I had a different feel. I didn't feel intimidated.

Starting point is 00:11:37 But a lot of people, that's a big thing. Is that people don't like the environment. They don't like the fact that they have to wait for a putt. I was thinking about this too, because even, like I had been a part of various sports teams and we don't work out together, but that was like my only introduction into the gym. And like if I didn't have that,

Starting point is 00:11:56 it would have taken a lot to get me into the gym and feel like I was supposed to be there. Right, and not only that, but we're also men, right? And I could understand how it might be more intimidating for a woman because, well, I mean, men are intimidating, you know, they're loud and strong and, you know, they grunt or whatever, and you may feel like, you know, at a place or whatever, and this is true for men too.

Starting point is 00:12:18 And so now I'm much more empathetic. I totally get it because there are people that'll DM me and they'll say things like, I don't wanna go to the gym. I don't, I'm intimidated by the gym. You know, what should I do type of deal? And so now I coach them differently. Now it's like, hey, you could do exercise at home or you could get gym equipment at home,

Starting point is 00:12:37 which in that case is extremely valuable because they've eliminated that such a big barrier. Now they can work out at home. And you know, when you work at at home, you can wear whatever you want. You can wear whatever you want. You can wear a death metal. Giving yourself a little bit of having empathy for you because I was the same way too.

Starting point is 00:12:56 That side of the business has really evolved and changed. Like it wasn't when we... That's a good point. It was both flex at all. You know what I'm saying? You had both flex or you had those adjustable dumbbells, was like, or the plastic, like sand-filled weights is what we had.

Starting point is 00:13:12 Yeah. Or you bought commercial equipment that took up which, you know, the whole garage. And nobody did that, and that was expensive and hard to do. So, you know, so it was, it was a lot different than than what it is today. I mean, when you, when you look at products like PRX give you that an entire,

Starting point is 00:13:27 oh my god, do you imagine, if I had that when I was younger? Yeah. And then it conveniently folds into the wall so you could still park a garage or you could still use the room if you're using it like an office. You just didn't have things like that

Starting point is 00:13:40 when we first started as trainers. So, no, no, no, even though you probably weren't being that empathetic, there's also that side too, where, I mean, at that time, I didn't have a lot of clients that had a lot of success with any at-home type of setups, because most of them were the generic gimmicky, in fact, or the only ones people would invest in

Starting point is 00:13:58 are the cardio equipment that would end up getting all the wardrobe and everything thrown on it. All the infomercial stuff, yeah. Which actually cardio equipment's a terrible, I mean, if you love it, that's fine. But for the most part, cardio equipment for home is a terrible investment because it's expensive, does take up a decent amount of space,

Starting point is 00:14:14 although some of them fold up to like the treadmills. But you're limited to what you can do on it. Not to mention the benefits that you get from it are no different than you going outside and walking up a hill either. Right, right, right. I mean, it's whereas you get good setup, let's say you get a PRX cage, right? That folds into the wall, fold it out.

Starting point is 00:14:30 Boom, you now have access to, I don't know, 500 exercises that you could do with resistance training. Because when I first... The best exercises. And when I first started lifting because you make a really good point at them, when I was lifting at 14, my weight set was amazing for the time.

Starting point is 00:14:47 And all I had was an Olympic, adjustable weight bench with barbell, adjustable dumbbells. Just a bench, right? That's all I had to do. Back in those days, getting a squat rack or cage for your house, you had to go to a commercial producer at home cages, you couldn't even find them. And so I couldn't even do really barbell squats. I had to like make my own. I used the back of the bench and figured out a way

Starting point is 00:15:10 to get the underneath the barbell. Now do you think this is another thing that CrossFit helped do for the good? Like you think that part of them popularizing barbell squats, deadlifts, and other industry, right? And they kind of garage set up and stuff like that. Like that's now become, I mean,

Starting point is 00:15:28 how many people probably, there's a lot of innovation in that space. Think about it in the last decade, how many people probably, you know, signed up and enrolled in their first cross-fit class and went, oh shit, I could put this in my house. That's not a bad point. That's not a bad point.

Starting point is 00:15:39 That wasn't probably crossing a lot of people's mind. And again, nobody was squatting in deadlifts and you can overhead press them. No, so I mean, they are probably responsible. I know we harp on them so much on this show, but you know, there's another thing that I think they did really good for the space, is that?

Starting point is 00:15:54 Yeah, actually very true. That's such a great point. Here's a more clear example, because I think that's a great example. He's a even more clear one. Bumper plates. You could not. You would never find a bumper plate in a gym

Starting point is 00:16:06 ever before CrossFit. Oh, unless it was like a super specialized strength gym where they were training Olympic athletes. That's it, that's it. Never played in that. In fact, I never in my life lifted with a bumper plate ever until CrossFit got really popular. And then you would start to see them pop up in gyms.

Starting point is 00:16:23 All the way to, I ever lifted with for the majority of the time I've worked out were iron plates into the point where iron plates were so popular and nobody was dead lifting ever that the most popular weight plate that you would use in a gym was a hexagon. Yeah. It wasn't round and they did it so wouldn't roll across the floor. You brought back memories. I remember going on recruiting trips and I got so excited because they take me in the recruiting trips and I got so excited because they

Starting point is 00:16:45 take me in the weight room and I saw bumper plates and I saw platforms and I was like, oh my god, like wow, this is like way next level. You know, like I was like getting all like bought into that whole thing just because of that. The first time I saw a platform, I went to a world's gym. This was probably in I want to say the late 90s, maybe maybe mid to late 90s. A drove all the way to a world gym because I heard it was like a hardcore bodybuilder gym. So I wanted to see what it was all about.

Starting point is 00:17:11 And they had a separate room. It was a small room and it had a, it didn't have a cage, but it had a stand. It had bumper plates and it had a platform. And that was the first time I'd ever seen chalk. First time I'd ever seen bumper plates and a platform. And I didn't know what it was for. I'm like, what's the big deal? Just squat was a platform. And that was the first time I'd ever seen chalk. First time I'd ever seen bumper plates and a platform. And I didn't know what it was for. I'm like, what's the big deal?

Starting point is 00:17:28 Just squat was the difference. I had no idea like what the big deal was. That became a big sign, no chalk. Yeah, every gym was a piss about that. Yeah, that's crazy. Anyway, along the lines of exercise, I read a phenomenal study. Again, really touting the benefits of exercise, but in a completely different

Starting point is 00:17:47 way. So what they did in this study is they compared exercise to money. They compared exercise to money in terms of happiness. Which one brings people more emotional, mental value in terms of being content and happy with life. So in this study, it was 1.2 million people that they were doing this with surveys and whatever. Scientists found that while those who exercise regularly tended to feel bad for 35 days out of the year, people who were not active were felt bad for an additional 18 to 20 days a year.

Starting point is 00:18:24 So the difference is pretty dramatic. People who work out, you're going to have bad days, right? People who don't work out, you have far more bad days. Now, okay, did they separate the class, though? So there's people that are making millions of dollars, but I'm working out, and then over here are people that maybe aren't making so much very much money, and they're working out. So there are other studies that show,

Starting point is 00:18:45 and of course this varies from region to region, but generally speaking, and the reason why I'm saying region to region, because this I don't think would be true in San Jose, it's so expensive. But generally speaking, after about $75,000 to $80,000 a year, people's happiness scores don't change. So once people make enough to kind of take care of themselves and that stress over things, anything over that doesn't provide any additional

Starting point is 00:19:09 happiness. Now with exercise what they found there was a sweet spot which I thought was fascinating because we know that you could overexercise and then they'll probably have negative effects. So what they found according to study was that three to five training sessions a week, that lasted 30 to 60 minutes was ideal. The mental health of those participants who exercised for longer than three hours a day suffered more than those of those, than people who weren't even active. So people who over trained or obsessed had worse mental health than people who didn't

Starting point is 00:19:43 even exercise at all just to show you how negative it could be if it's done the wrong way. I believe that. Isn't that crazy? Now you moved out of CrossFit, but I actually wanted to ask if either one of you guys read the article on the lawsuit. Yeah. Did you see that $4 million? $4 million ordered.

Starting point is 00:19:56 Yeah. So explain this to me. So they sued, was it NSCA or was it a national certification? I think it was a very highly reputable certification, like scientifically based all this kind of stuff. And I think they actually conducted their own studies and research on basically their methodology in CrossFit. And so then they found a lot of flaws in their research and stuff that they presented to

Starting point is 00:20:29 basically, you know, Bash CrossFit, you know, like on some level. And then I think this was a really long long lawsuit. Like they've been had... Well, yeah, this was a counter-suit, right? So, or was it a counter-suit, or was it like for Slander? I think it was a Slander. a counter suit, right? So, or was it a counter suit or was it like for slander? Was it? I think it was a slander. So, yeah, NSCA came out and probably bashed CrossFit, it's methodology. Right.

Starting point is 00:20:53 And then CrossFit said, fuck you, we're gonna, well, everybody, I mean, not everybody, I guess, obviously not NSCA, knows that CrossFit is very litigious. Would you want to hear what's funny though about this? This is what the judge said in the ruling, I'm reading it right now. They said that NSCA's actions constituted extensive perjury and called them inherently untrustworthy.

Starting point is 00:21:13 This was so, apparently whatever evidence was presented showed, it was sloppy. The NSCA was, inherently untrustworthy. And what's crazy about this is as I'm reading further, that the NSCA is already facing serious financial trouble. So now they've been slapped with the $4 million. So maybe that was them. They were just reaching, right?

Starting point is 00:21:33 I mean, that was probably like, okay, we're businesses dying, we're not getting any attention. Let's jump on the, let's pile on CrossFit Banwagon. Yeah, I don't know how that all started. Didn't do it very intelligently. Wow. I just know, yeah, obviously the information they presented was not good. The judge totally slapped it out of the court.

Starting point is 00:21:53 Well, that's a big settlement for a certification company. $4 million is not nothing. Oh, no, that's for a company. I wonder how they're going to use it, especially with their new direction. I mean, that could bankrupt a certificate. I mean, it'd be interesting for Doug to look this up. I mean, a trainer certification. And, I mean, any SM makes a lot of money,

Starting point is 00:22:11 but the other ones, I don't know. They do, but even them, though. I mean, a lot of money goes into the people and studies and research, and I don't know how much. I don't know if they're like a fucking massive $100 million company. Well, I'll say this about Glassman, although I've had my issues with CrossFit itself.

Starting point is 00:22:28 Glassman is a fucking, I like him. I like what he stands for. I tend to like what he says when he's being interviewed. Well, I think like many things in the space that, even the things that we talk about that are bad. I think most stuff was intended to be good. I mean, there are some malicious people out there, and there's people that are totally trying

Starting point is 00:22:46 to manipulate and make money. But the things that really get big and change industries, like we've spoken about that, I think the intention is pure and good. I think that, you know, it just grew at a control. And when you set up something like a collective, like the way they have set up CrossFit, where you have all, they're not franchises

Starting point is 00:23:06 that CrossFit's not responsible for how Joe trains in his CrossFit box, what do I like that? You're setting yourself up for a lot of probably bad coaches, and he probably knew that. He's a free market guy, figured the cream will rise to the top. That was his approach. His approach was the good ones will survive,

Starting point is 00:23:24 their business will thrive, and the bad ones will fall apart. Now he's right. That's actually what's happened. You've seen the except then the good ones have not labeled themselves crossing anymore. Well because you run this risk because they want to be associated with all the shitty ones like that like wrap that label. That's right. They're Jim. That's right. What he failed to consider with that was that they were all under the brand umbrella of CrossFit. And if you get enough people doing stupid shit under a brand name, then that name becomes tarnished. So then the good CrossFit gyms, the ones that are actually doing a good job with good

Starting point is 00:23:59 coaches, they get to the point where they're like, we're going to do better off. We don't have to pay the fees or whatever, we'll do better off. We've already built our base, we'll do better off by changing our name, which is what's happened to a lot of them. So that was the thing that he failed to see, but he was right, the cream does rise to the top, but as a business person,

Starting point is 00:24:17 in my opinion, you need to put money and time and effort into protecting your name and who represents your name as much as possible because it doesn't take many bad, you know. I think I disagree with you. I think as a person of integrity I agree with you, but as a business person, if we're just talking about making the most amount of money, I think you did it one of the smartest best ways you could do it. You would have never scaled and grown that fast if you did it like a franchise. That would have slowed the growth of a down, tremendous. Yeah, you've got to be pointed. It's the same strategy that the marijuana industry use. They, most of them are set up as collectives and they do that.

Starting point is 00:24:53 So they're not held responsible in a gray market for other people doing stupid things, making stupid claims or, but it allows them to spread and grow like crazy in profit. So that's not a bad point at all. You know, maybe, I guess you could have countered that by coming out publicly and saying things like if you do this, you're a bad gym. But you're right because there's no way they would have exploded. It would have been doing it too much red tape, too much recognition. For sure.

Starting point is 00:25:20 And far less people would have jumped on board because of the cost of what they're doing. I think he's an example, especially you of all people because you're so pro free market, he's a great example of that's how it works. And just like with Arthur Brooks, I don't know if you actually watched that monk debate that you sent over to us, but it was a phenomenal monk debate.

Starting point is 00:25:38 And part of free markets is you can't just put something out there and then judge it, oh, you have to allow it to take its process and allow it to go through this wave because as humans we wise up and we figure things out. Maybe everybody at first, oh, just were a bunch of lemmings. No, 100%. But sooner or later enough people fall off the cliff and you go, okay, that's not a good thing to do.

Starting point is 00:25:58 And then the market actually... You just have to get louder voices in there to regulate on their own, self-regulate. Well, that's the market regulates better than anything. I haven't seen, like if you look at websites from 10 years ago, compare them to today, you know, the internet is largely unregulated. It's like an anarcho-capitalist paradise,

Starting point is 00:26:19 if you will, is no regulations, very, very minimal ones, maybe the ones that regulate the wires that send the internet to or whatever. But when you look on there and you see how fast and how efficiently and effectively it's self-organized itself. It's not saying. Black markets are the best example of this.

Starting point is 00:26:38 Something that you would think, right? Common sense would say, oh my God, buying drugs online from somebody you've never met across the world has to be the most dangerous thing ever. So far safer than it's the complete opposite. You know, getting it from a friend who got it from a friend who hands it to you in person is far more dangerous than ordering something online, which has all these self regulators of people that are writing reviews. And man, and have you seen the studies on that? The drug overdoses are down, you know,

Starting point is 00:27:09 Poisonings are way down because people are buying their drugs Online and then they're reading the reviews of the dealers right to the point where I've actually talked to people who've done this And they're saying if your dealer sends you you you, you order something and they send it to you and it doesn't come in the mail, they will send you another batch to make sure that you give them a good review and I'm like, what the fuck had a drug dealer do? That's me. I bought from spider and I almost died.

Starting point is 00:27:36 100%. It's wild. 100%. No, it is very wild. That's why too, I was always big on the Bitcoin thing. Now I know, fuck anybody who bought Bitcoin back when I was talking about it. Did you read? There was actually an article about cryptocurrencies.

Starting point is 00:27:50 I forgot who did the review, but it was a big organization. I can't remember what economic organization that did this, but they did a big review. And they said that at some point in the near future, that all currency, it has to go. It has to go. That all currency will crypto. It has to go. Even when you, like that, again, referring back to that month debate, you, when you have all these economists that are talking about whether it be, you know, socialist or a capitalist type of market in the future,

Starting point is 00:28:15 none of them are debating whether or not cryptocurrency is the future of how we're going to exchange monies. I mean, it is the future. And things like the black market to me was an example of whether it goes and whether government gets their hands in it, tries to regulate it or not, it will survive purely for that in itself because of what you just said, is that you can trust the internet to provide you illegal things better than you can, somebody you know in person. That's crazy. Yeah, no, I'll show you one of the articles right here that I read that it said that one

Starting point is 00:28:48 so there's one one organization that's one organization said that all cryptocurrencies or all currencies will become crypto currencies at some point. That's the CEO of a Goldman Sachs backed startup company and there's other there's other organizations that are saying the same exact thing. So it's like, it's a matter of time. Now, that's how everything is. Now what I think is going to happen now, so my thoughts on this have slightly changed, right? Like before I researched and picked, I think I have like seven different companies that

Starting point is 00:29:20 I have money right in. And not a lot. I looked at it as gambling and then I just put it away. But what's more likely to happen to me now are like your big mega companies, the apples, the Googles, the Facebook, they will come out with their own crypto and build it within their ecosystem.

Starting point is 00:29:37 That makes the most sense to me on what will happen. And you know that's happened. Facebook's already said they're moving in that direction in the future. And so if you're already using a company, all their resources and stuff, like Amazon, for example, like last night, I'm shopping, Christmas shopping all over Amazon. You know, if I had Amazon crypto currency already, boy, the whole process would be even faster. I mean, it's definitely much quicker today with things like Apple Pay and PayPal. But I mean,

Starting point is 00:30:03 if it was crypto, Amazon's crypto, and I use But I mean, if it was Amazon's crypto and I use, I buy everything on Amazon anyways, it'll be super fast, super safe. So here's some speculations for me that I would say that the, the future, if that is the case, because one of the, one of the downsides of crypto currencies from a government standpoint is that you can't control it. You can't track them, right? You can't track them. You can't inflate them. You can't just create money at a thin air. One of the other challenges is taxing. How do you tax a currency that you can't necessarily track?

Starting point is 00:30:32 Pinpoint, right. But I think what'll end up happening is that the tax system is going to put them on all sales tax. Isn't that already kind of happening on a smaller scale now? With cash? Yeah, with cash, with PayPal, with what's the pay pals, Venmo's,

Starting point is 00:30:46 you know, cash friend or what? To some extent, but those are far easier to track. Right. Well, I don't know about far, but they're easier to track for sure, but I mean, how, how, with millions of people using those things, how easy is that for someone to, you would have to be, you would, to me, you would have to be somebody who would throw up a red that for someone to you would have to be you would to me you would have to be somebody who would throw up a red flag for them to really dive into all that stuff. They're looking at the big money. Right. So there's which is a you're not getting one percent of the population. I. R.S. is not taking you know, Mrs. Johnson who makes 40 grand a year and that's my point. And she she made a $125 in Vinbo this last year,

Starting point is 00:31:25 250 in PayPal over here. You know what I'm saying? And cash app, she got another $75. That's why I think the future of taxing will probably be a sales tax. Because that's the easiest way to control. If you're selling something, you got to charge a tax on it.

Starting point is 00:31:38 No more income tax. It's gonna be pure consumption tax. What was interesting, Arthur Brooks proposed something I'd never heard before. What was it called? Negative income tax. Yeah, that's a Milton Friedman came up with that concept. And basically what it is is that you, once you make a,

Starting point is 00:31:53 you do get money from the government if you make a certain, below a certain amount. So that's the way that you would take care of that. Other than that, it's more of a flat tax where, you know, everybody else may, you know, pays, you know, 10, 15% no matter what, no write-offs, nothing. Which would be brilliant, obviously, it would be brilliant because it would eliminate

Starting point is 00:32:13 tremendous bureaucracy, which is exactly what would never happen because you have a lot of people out of business. If all of a sudden it would be as easy as you, how much did I make, pay 15%? Done. No write-offs, nothing. Take it as jobs from people that just move your shit around. Oh my god. Dude, how come? How come?

Starting point is 00:32:28 Really? How come fusing is the tax system? Let's be honest. Oh, it's the worst man. You need brilliant people to figure that figure out lots of education. Hey, was it you? I don't know what was Justin or you yesterday brought up something about Fitbit. I got it. Yeah, it was you. Oh dude, did you hear this? No, I didn't. I wanted to hear that. So one of the this is this is one of the drawbacks apparently of Fitbit. I got it. Oh, dude, did you hear this? No, I didn't. I wanted to get out. So this is one of the drawbacks, apparently, of Fitbit. But Fitbit's got an interesting, it's got its value, right?

Starting point is 00:32:52 Tell us. Well, now I got acquired by Google now, so it's got a big, you know, back end support, for sure. Yeah, so it's got some, you know, interest, right? It's got some interesting stuff, right? It... What did they sell to Google, by the way? I don't know.

Starting point is 00:33:06 Oh, yeah, it was like $4 billion or something. Really? I think if this is just literally like off top of my head. Wow. And you know, I was in conversation. They started at San Francisco when I first started boot camps and I remember when I hit the market, I was so impressed with it.

Starting point is 00:33:21 And I was in conversation with them. Now, I was nobody. I had no pool or anything like that. So it was kind of like I got left, you know, yeah, we'll get around to you, kid. But I think back like, man, I wish my pump was where it was at when that came on the market.

Starting point is 00:33:34 I think about that too, especially like the transition from Body Bug to, you know, FitBate was like, wow, it's very similar technology, but now it's actually smaller and like something people will actually wear. Oh, Justin, it says it's very similar technology, but now it's actually smaller and like something people will actually wear. Oh, Justin, it says it's considering a cell. Oh, it didn't actually go through yet.

Starting point is 00:33:49 Well, that's the 10 to 10. I don't think so. It hasn't gone through yet. Okay. Now, is it to say what they're, what they're, what they're, how much they're negotiating done? I don't see it. Let me look more. So they have an officially sold.

Starting point is 00:34:00 It's just they've been taught, oh, two there it is. Oh, 2.1 billion. Okay. So I was two million. Google two million. Valueing it is oh 2.1 billion. Okay, so I was to Valueing smart watchmaker 2.1 billion. Wow. So now that does it say they did it or they're just they're Talking about it. I read it Looks like the justice department is reviewing this first before the deal goes Oh, monopoly reasons. Well, no, no, no, I don't think so I think it's data. Yeah, yeah, because now they're tracking I mean, I mean imagine that they. Or for data. Yeah. Yeah. Cause now they're tracking, I mean, I imagine that.

Starting point is 00:34:25 They can track your heart rate. That's health data. I, my opinion with that is that Google's gonna advertise to you or whatever and they're gonna look at your heart rate. Yeah. You can see what gets you excited, what doesn't. Well, that's, that could be potentially, could be brilliant data. But yeah, guys have ever followed rock health or they're, they're basically out of San Francisco.

Starting point is 00:34:41 They do events and stuff, but they try and pull in all the startups for digital health initiatives. And so I've been kind of watching it and seeing what that market looks like over the years, because they're trying so hard to innovate processes where you can have these virtual meetings with physicians and then transfer all of your records and everything digitally. There's just a lot of red tape there because, you know, obviously that's really, you know, disruptive. Yeah, disruptive. Wow, that's cool.

Starting point is 00:35:13 But yeah, they're working really hard on like all kinds of different angles. I love that. I love the future of that. But it was so here's the thing on Fitbit that I was going to bring up. Here's one of the drawbacks. Sorry, I'm totally, yeah. I just, you know, you made the comment, sorry, Sal. No, no, no, worry.

Starting point is 00:35:27 So apparently, so I don't know if you knew this or not, but if you, you can have, other people can monitor your Fitbit if you allow them to, kind of like tracking your, you know, like, so for like accountability. Coaches, they have it for coaches. Right, right, right.

Starting point is 00:35:39 So like, you know, on your cell phone, if you want your girlfriend can see where you're at or whatever. So anyway, it's guy, apparently this guy, his girlfriend had access to his Fitbit, and he was out, you know, out of town with his buddies, and she noticed his heart rate was spiking at 3 a.m. Oh my God.

Starting point is 00:35:54 Shut your face. He caught him cheating because of the Fitbit. Shut your face. Yeah, dude. Are you serious? Yeah, so she's like, When the clock is that? You're jumping jacks.

Starting point is 00:36:03 Hey, what were you doing last night? I went to bed at, you know, 11 p.m. Really. Really did you wake up? No really because your heart rate hit 135 That's fucking I said go for a run. Yeah, that's really weird because at 3 a.m. I said your heart rate had a 125 B. Oh He could come up with it. You're not that I was What are you gonna tell me of serious bout of fucking diary? Yeah? 135 got you know, it's even worse like I had a nightmare Boy, yeah, what are you gonna tell me of serious bow to fucking diarrhea? Yeah, like one something. One thirty five got you know, it's even worse like I had a nightmare. He couldn't even he couldn't even argue his way out because she's got all the past

Starting point is 00:36:30 Attitude she'd be like listen mother fuck your friends say otherwise when you get up and go pee you go from 52 to 63 at most You know I'm saying one thirty five you did some shit dude. He got caught you didn't rigorous activities Well, she see that. I was it was posted everywhere You look up girl catches boyfriend. That's hilarious. Yeah, with someone DM or share that with you. No, I just yeah Somebody did share it with me. I love our audience By the way, I appreciate that when people share great stuff. I'll do that. Get all my oh I had one This is a funny one that I kind of put you know towards you But this was like in

Starting point is 00:37:02 In relation to the latest post that we had little clips of us doing stuff off camera and my fart and all that kind of stuff. So there's this guy and you gone to it every day. Yeah, there's this guy and you gone to I guess has deadly gas that will kill mosquitoes. And they're hiring him to figure out you know, like figure out the chemical combination that he's producing because like everywhere

Starting point is 00:37:29 that he is, apparently like there's no mosquitoes. Wait a minute, how the hell is that? It sounds like bullshit, but it's like, I looked back and there's all these articles about. How did this even start? Was he just with singing out with someone like, man, you're fucking far too chill. He's so bad that they kill like insects. Oh're fucking fart with him. They're so bad that they kill insects.

Starting point is 00:37:46 Oh my gosh. Yeah. Oh wow, look at that. Joe, whatever. Marara, whatever. Oh, he's making huge cash. It's said to be a huge cast from his unique and deadly farts that kill mosquitoes instantly.

Starting point is 00:37:57 Instantly. Wow. Like did you catch it? What a superpower. Did you get some videos? It was on YouTube. Yeah, there's like a video him, you know, describing it. But yeah, like it's funny,

Starting point is 00:38:07 because like the locals, you know, villagers and like the barber there is like talking all about like, yeah, you know, he can, he can clear like a couple miles of house gas. Six meters is far, bro. So he can kill mosquitoes up to six meters. Six meters away. Six meters away.

Starting point is 00:38:22 I mean, that's, you're further than that. Are you're closer than that right now. That's a long ways away. Bro, could you use lots of like legend focal around him now? I can't imagine, first of all, I think it's bullshit, but let's say it's real. I know, let's say it's real.

Starting point is 00:38:34 This sounds like a terrible thing that they're gonna create from this. Imagine I spray this around the city. It's just a big fart. A new for breeze smell. A new for breeze. I feel like Justin, you got some money just sitting there. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:38:46 There's something there. You're missing out. Yeah, I am paying. Anyway, so I read one of the most crazy articles ever the other day and I wanna make sure that it's real and I've tried to look up the references or whatever. Only thing I've ever been able to find so far are other articles reporting the same thing.

Starting point is 00:39:06 So I can't 100% confirm this, but apparently it's plausible, okay? I mean, that doesn't mean it's likely, but it's plausible. So check this out, right? Chris Long, I'm gonna read part of this article. Chris Long is an IT worker in Reno, Nevada. All of his DNA in his semen belongs to a German man,

Starting point is 00:39:25 he's never met. So in his semen, he's got the DNA from another man. And this is because he had a bone marrow transplant. A while ago to cure his, he had a type of cancer that he needs a bone marrow transplant. And what ended up happening is now this, the man who's bone marrow he got, that's the DNA in his semen.

Starting point is 00:39:45 And the reason why this is a big deal is because, so I was reading this article, scientists are like, tripping out over this, they thought this wasn't possible, but apparently this is the deal, and they're wondering how many people this has happened to. Now imagine a crime scene. Oh my God.

Starting point is 00:40:01 Imagine a crime scene where your DNA, which is considered to be conclusive evidence, because you gave some dude your bone marrow. Yeah. Now your DNA is found in some murder or rape victim or whatever and you're like, what the fuck? That wasn't me. They're like, we got your DNA. Your ass is going to get... That can't be true. How does that make it into the semen?

Starting point is 00:40:18 Well, so... And that means it would completely have to alter his blood. Well, so it's not, this part is known that that will, you will have some DNA present in your blood from the person who donated the bone marrow. We've known that, but the fact that it made it to a semen is crazy. Well, is that true to then with organs?

Starting point is 00:40:39 I don't know, I don't think so. No, you don't think so. Well, either way, that's a trick. Why wouldn't organs do it but bone would? I don't think so. No, you don't think so. Well, either way, that's a trip. Why wouldn't, why wouldn't, why wouldn't, why wouldn't, why wouldn't, organs do it, but bone would? I don't know, dude. Tell me that wouldn't be a freaking awesome episode of CSI.

Starting point is 00:40:51 This is like black mirrored, yeah. It's probably already got one, you know what I'm saying? I was, the whole time you were telling that, I'm like looking at you. It wasn't me waiting for the punchline, like it was, I got you type of, but tell me that wouldn't be a rad episode. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:41:02 We're like, this weird, is DNA was there, but he's clearly, you know, the man died four years ago. I was as possible. Fascinating. Some shit like that. Anyway, dude, I listened to more of the Rogan episode debate with Will. On the last one, not to, huh?

Starting point is 00:41:15 I finished it too. So here's, so there were definitely a few points that Willx made, but the points that he made. You know how to read a force plot? Yeah, what he hammered the hell out of that. All he did, and this is what Wilkes, this is my theory. My theory is that Dave Cameron, Arnold Schwarzenegger, who produced game changers, a lot of money, a lot of power,

Starting point is 00:41:35 hired political strategists to train Wilkes on debating. Cause what Wilkes did very well was refrain the argument and attack Chris Cresser's character. He did a shitty job actually disputing the points. Yeah, there was who danced around the board. Cameron. Oh, no, Dave James James James. James James. James James. He did a avatar. Well, something like who's Dave? Well, I call him. I give you a minute. I text each other. That's all. For friends. But what they love the Terminator date.

Starting point is 00:42:06 But he clearly, what he did, and this is a very effective strategy that politicians do, is rather than debating the point, which they may know is not the right point. Like if I'm debating with you and I know that I'm wrong, what I'm going to do is reframe the whole argument. And that's exactly what it did. So rather than defending the points of the movie that say that meat is bad for you, which is that's the argument.

Starting point is 00:42:31 The argument that Christian, we never got there. We never got a conclusive answer. No, what, what, we're crazy. And you couldn't get to that? No, no, no, no, no, no. Oh my God. All we do is so frustrating about it.

Starting point is 00:42:39 All we do is attack Crestors character and then focus on small nuances to make Crestor appear to be all your sources are bullshit. Meanwhile, I'm doing the same thing by having a biased cherry picking data experience myself. Well, we've had, I don't know what, 500, maybe more guests on the show. I would say Chris Crisker is in the top three

Starting point is 00:43:03 of the softest spoken of all of it. Well, what Cresser is not the right guy to go have a debate. He is if they debated the points. Cresser is extremely knowledgeable. Come on. What has that ever happened in the debate? You're right. You're not knowledgeable.

Starting point is 00:43:18 He has great wealth of knowledge, but at the same time, as far as debating goes, I would much have preferred to have like a lane Norton or somebody in there. Lane Sean, I mean, Salad, you know? Yeah, Salad, you know exactly. So many other people that would have probably gone, so you know who the second person that would be terrible

Starting point is 00:43:34 would be Arquido, friend. I can't think of his name right now. Dr. Dom D'Argostini. Yeah, Dom. Dom and Chris, probably the two softest poking doctors we've had on the show. Right. And I would never put them in that situation. Yeah, Dom. Dom and Chris, probably the two softest poking doctors we've had on the show. And I would never put them in that situation. Yeah, again, and not because they're not intelligent enough

Starting point is 00:43:50 to defend a point, it's just, that's not, they're not guys. It's politics, like you said. It wasn't the point. The point wasn't focused. What Crestor should have done is continue to reframe this to say, hold on a second, what you said is that meat is bad.

Starting point is 00:44:01 Let's focus on that. Show me why meat is bad. Let's stay there. Because he wouldn't allow it to happen. He kept reframing the argument, You said is that meat is bad. Let's focus on that. Show me why meat is bad. Let's stay there. He wouldn't allow it to happen. He kept reframing the argument, attacking Cressor's character, which is a classic political strategy, but he didn't win shit in terms of,

Starting point is 00:44:14 he didn't defend to points at all. And there was one part on Rogan that got me a little upset. And it was because, again, they were arguing the wrong thing. So it was around dairy. And what Cressor showed is that the evidence in the study studies show that consuming dairy regularly does not increase inflammation in the body.

Starting point is 00:44:31 In fact, in many studies, it shows a decrease in inflammation. Now, what Wilkes brought up is that, how can that be true when two thirds of the population is lactose intolerant? And you guys know as well as I do, when you consume something that you're intolerant to, that's going to increase inflammation. Now, that sounds like a very smart point.

Starting point is 00:44:51 The problem is, when we're looking at the studies about people who consume dairy, that's already been selected out. People who consume dairy on a regular basis are not people who have intolerances to dairy or have a lactose intolerant. A largely, these are people that tolerate dairy. So when you do a study on people

Starting point is 00:45:07 that consumed dairy for the last 10 years, you're probably looking at a bunch of people who don't have... That's a blame problem with it. They have no blame, like, you know what I mean? Like, I'm not gonna be in that study. If they tried to have me in that study, I'd say, well, I don't consume dairy.

Starting point is 00:45:19 I know I have an intolerant to it. Right. So it's not that it doesn't cause inflammation in people who are intolerant. It's that the people that can tolerate it, studies show, and this, I've argued this all day long, if you can tolerate dairy, and if it's well sourced, it's fucking good for you.

Starting point is 00:45:35 It's very good for you. If you can't tolerate, don't eat it, just like you shouldn't eat anything, you're not. And that's the problem. Like if I was debating willks, I would have shit on that point right there, but the problem was he made that point and then Cresser Not to mention if we're if you're measuring all the people that actually have dairy

Starting point is 00:45:49 How many how many of those average Americans probably over consume and that's causing just as much right but anything else But but again, you're still fucking I was that guy. I was that kid. You eating a pint of ice cream every single night Like I'm sure I had all kinds of inflammation present in my body. And it wasn't until it became so, so much of a problem that I was intolerant to it. Now I have to stop doing it. Right, right, right. But again, I, I would bet money that James Kramman, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Schwarzenegger, who's been in politics for a long time, they probably invested in a very smart political, someone who's got experience in the political sphere. they said here's the first episode of Crescer debating his points. Let's construct them. Let's frame and argument that it'll discredit him so that we can defend our documentary.

Starting point is 00:46:34 I mean, he did a great job in his delivery of what he set out to do. Who is not taking away from him? He was an MMMF coach. He produced the documentary or is part of the guy in the documentary. He came on and whooped fucking Chris. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow, I'm telling you.

Starting point is 00:46:53 I didn't know that. If you're debating someone and you control the way that he framed it. Look, if you control the framing of the argument, you can win a debate even though you're wrong. And people have known this for a long time. And that's the problem. The problem was it wasn't, I would have kept bringing it back. Hold on a second. Okay, that's great. But you're saying in the documentary that meat is bad. So let's look at that evidence. That shows that means that I tell you what Chris is a boy of ours. Love everything that

Starting point is 00:47:21 he does. But shame on you, dude. Just stay in your lane. Shouldn't have stepped in that arena. You should have known better. Like you, I mean, somebody like that, you, you, you don't put yourself in that situation. I don't think this is the last, I don't think this last we've heard. Oh, you think that he'll, you think he'll rebuttal it? Yeah, I think so because I think now he's head time to, to sit back and say, wow, I know exactly. I wonder, yeah, I wonder if Chris went in there just think he was going to mop him up because he was just some MMA fighter and he probably knew that he or he probably thought that he had more resources.

Starting point is 00:47:47 Let me put it this way. If you have an economist debating a politician on the economy, the politician's gonna win. Even though the politician probably knows jack shit about an economics and it's all because they're gonna pull at emotion, they're gonna discredit the person, they're gonna reframe the argument. You got something like Bernie Sanders for God's

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Starting point is 00:49:06 Yeah, way more. So a front, a traditional front overhead press with a bars in front of your head is far less risky than a behind the head overhead press. Behind the head overhead press requires a lot of good mobility and control. I was going to say, you have to explain. It wouldn't be if we all had healthy posture. Yeah, right. If you age is not the case.

Starting point is 00:49:28 Yeah, I mean, if, and that's why we weren't taught it in any of our certifications. Like every national cert that I have, every single one of them, none of them advocated. Oh, they avoid it, like the play. It's a do not do type of deal. And so that's why I didn't teach it and I didn't do it myself for many years,

Starting point is 00:49:44 which actually probably did more harm than good for me and the truth is if it hurts you or you can't do it with good form, don't do it. Yeah, don't do it. So you can't, but that's a great sign that there's an area you need to work on. And it's the lack of shoulder mobility and probably thoracic mobility that is limiting you from being able to do that, which is an obvious thing since I think the percentage is somewhere between, I want to say, 65 and 80% of the population suffers from upper cross endrome.

Starting point is 00:50:16 So if a majority of the population have the rounded shoulders and the forward head, well, yeah, trying to take a bar behind your head. Without jutting your head forward and externally rotating your shoulders. Yeah, but if you can do it, it's gonna promote good shoulder mobility and thoracic mobility. So it's kind of like the,

Starting point is 00:50:38 think of it the same way of like doing a deep squat. Most people shouldn't do an asterisk squat because they don't have the capabilities to do it because their form is gonna break down, they're gonna fill it in their low back, they're gonna fall way forward, but that's a sign that you should work on it. So I was this person.

Starting point is 00:50:55 Now what's cool, now that I've done all the work of working on my mobility for a solid year and a half or so to get into a deep squat, now the only thing I need to do to keep mobility in my ankles and my hips is deep squat. That's what's awesome is that. So if you can't do behind the neck presses right now, the real benefits of being able to do them is it promotes good shoulder and thoracic mobility and that's an excellent thing. No, totally. Now an overhead press is hard to do for the average person anyway. It still requires work and mobility.

Starting point is 00:51:26 You take that behind the neck and you've just exponentially made the exercise far more difficult. Now, that all being said, just like Adam said, if you can do them properly, if you have good control, good stability, I love behind the neck presses. It's a completely different type of form. I feel it in different parts of my shoulder. I go lighter because of the position that I'm maintaining, the pumps I get

Starting point is 00:51:48 in my shoulder phenomenal. I feel like I get less of the front part of my shoulder and a little more of the side of my shoulder when I'm pressing up, mainly because of the position that I'm trying to hold myself in. It was a favorite among bodybuilders back in the day. Back in the 70s, 80s, and 90s bodybuilders back in the day. Back in the 70s, 80s and 90s, bodybuilders favored behind the neck press

Starting point is 00:52:09 over traditional overhead press. The overhead press didn't get popular in bodybuilding. It was popular originally in the 40s and 50s, maybe 60s. It didn't get popular again until relatively recently because you had bodybuilders like Jay Cutler who did standing overhead presses and of course, whatever the top guy does, everybody else does.

Starting point is 00:52:27 But for a long time, it was all about behind the neck presses, behind the neck pull downs, you see Arnold Schwarzenegger and Franco Colombo doing them like crazy. I love them. I have to go much lighter. So if I do an overhead press, I'm gonna go, the lightest I'll go with a barbell

Starting point is 00:52:43 as a hundred pounds, as I'll go as heavy as 130 to 140 pounds. When I'm behind the neck,est I'll go with a barbell as a hundred pounds as all goes heavy as 130 to 140 pounds Yeah, when I'm behind the neck I go 50 60 pounds and maybe a hundred pounds at the absolute heaviest. Yeah, I would definitely put that as an advanced You know exercise to where it is something that you know is achievable and attainable and it does provide you know Value like it definitely promotes, you know a different you know, value. Like it definitely promotes, you know, a different stimulus for your muscles to respond to. And it's, it does, you know, help your shoulders build, you know, in a different way. But it's going to require a lot of work, a lot of prerequisites to even get close to be able to be able to have access and also to control it properly.

Starting point is 00:53:22 This is why I love the Z-Press. I fell in love with this exercise for this exact reason. It was around the time that I was working on this. Yeah, because when you first, it wasn't long ago, you first, you started doing behind the neck press. Right, because I couldn't. I like like many people,

Starting point is 00:53:38 I couldn't, I couldn't take the bar behind the back of my head without forcing my head forward. And what I loved about that, now obviously the prerequisites that Justin is talking about, your wall circles, your thread, the needle, your, even just a PVC pipe, your hand cuff to rotation. These are all great mobility exercises to do to start with getting in the right position. Then the exercise that I love to do to help me get to a place where I can do behind the neck presses is the Z press.

Starting point is 00:54:11 And the two main reasons why that one, in the Z press position, and you, which for those that don't know what that is, that's when you're, and I like to do it inside the squat rack where I'm sitting on my butt, and I use the, your legs are straight out.

Starting point is 00:54:24 Yeah, my legs are straight out, and I use the guards on the squat rack where I'm sitting on my butt and I use the... Your legs are straight out. Yeah, my legs are straight out and I use the guards on the squat rack like you would for safety guards to start the bar on there to where it's resting by my chest. And then you press up above your head, pull your head through the window and the key to this is the stabilization at the top. So when I'm teaching this to a client that I'm working on this with is we'll start really light and we start in the Z-Press, we press and completely extend all the way up and stabilize up there. That stabilization with the bar completely extended above your head, your head pulled through through the window, we say, like, and that right there is a great place to start. This is also why I would do those,

Starting point is 00:55:07 like one arm carries and stabilizing like weight overhead carries. And then also, because you need to learn that mechanism, that mechanism on packing the shoulder. So not just reaching out, but you have to anchor that too with your shoulder blade. And so to be able to stabilize properly and your full lockout, being able to control the load, to be able to decelerate it properly, bring it down nice and slow.

Starting point is 00:55:32 And all these things involved, it takes some time and effort, but you definitely can build your way towards a nice solid, you know, behind the neck press. And the beauty of the Z press is that you can't cheat it. And that's why I like it better than single arm exercises or machine or anything else that you're trying. It's great for teaching. It's almost cheaper to fit. It is because in order for you to stay upright, and fully extend, and to where the bar is above,

Starting point is 00:56:01 or behind your head and your arms in line with your ears. That's the only way it works without you falling backwards. If you press and extend all the way and you're the type of person who arches the back and uses your chest to leverage up and you can't pull your shoulder blades back like Justin saying, you will fall backwards. And so it's a great way to teach those good mechanics. These are, here's, this is like, to Sal's big argument on Instagram the last few days about,

Starting point is 00:56:28 you know, here's a good example of like, this is where coaching comes into play for a really long time. Like, if you were to do, show somebody, the research on, you know, a Z-Press compared to a standing overhead press, which builds the most muscle in your shoulders. Like, Z-Press is gonna lose. It's not a better movement in comparison to a standing overhead press where which builds the most muscle in your shoulders. Like, Z press is going to lose.

Starting point is 00:56:45 It's not a better movement in comparison to a standing overhead press where I can generate more force and I have more. But its value is not in building muscle in comparison to a. Exactly. And so, you know, that's just something that you've learned from years of coaching people and knowing that trying to-

Starting point is 00:56:59 That application of it. Right. Getting clients to cue them the correct way to do the movement properly. It's one of those little trainer tricks. You know who does a version of that exercise that I've seen done over and over again is of that is Olympic lifters. You ever seen Olympic lifters? They'll put the bar across the traps. Yeah. Yeah. Like they finish just like they're squatting and then they pop and they press it up and bring it back out. That's

Starting point is 00:57:21 a move. What is that call Justin? That's a move, is it?? Yeah, like, I mean, it's pretty much just like a push press, but it's like from the bottom. But it's off the back. And it's in a seated position. No, no, standing, standing. It's explosive. Oh, you're saying if standing. Because, you know, when you're Olympic lifting,

Starting point is 00:57:35 they have to be so good at lining their body up, straight up above their head with maximum weight. They can't be forward an inch or back an inch, or they're gonna lose the lift. So that's one of their lifts. I saw a video on YouTube of Mario Puchinowski. He was a world strongest man doing that with like three hundred pounds.

Starting point is 00:57:53 And that encouraged me to do a full range of motion behind the neck press. When you get really good mobility and control, bring the bar all the way down to your traps and press all the way up. The pump you get from that, but again, you gotta do it right, otherwise you're gonna hurt yourself, but the pump you get from that, but again, you gotta do it right, otherwise you're gonna hurt yourself,

Starting point is 00:58:05 but the pump you get from that is insane. It's one of the number one exercises that'll give me the best shoulder pump by far. Next question is from Jessa 007, why do lifters arch their back during a bench press? Is it actually safer? Yeah, it is. You know it's funny.

Starting point is 00:58:21 So if you're listening to the podcast right now, try this out, right? Lay down on the floor. And what you're gonna note, just lay down flat on your back and relax. What you'll notice is that there's gonna be a natural arch in your low back. There may even be a little bit of a space

Starting point is 00:58:34 to where you can slide some fingers under your low back and your butt is on the floor and your back or maybe your upper back is on the floor. So you have that natural arch. It's more of a natural position, number one. Number two, the arch and the back, and by the way, this doesn't mean you lift your butt off the bench.

Starting point is 00:58:50 That's cheating, that's not the same. And I'm not talking about the extreme forms of this. There are people that can do this to such a ridiculous extent that they limit the range of motion, maximize how much weight they can lift, and it's a technique, they lift maybe an inch. Yeah, no, I'm talking about just a normal, normal, you know, tight, natural curvature in the lower back

Starting point is 00:59:09 where your shoulder's a pinback. That allows, that puts your shoulder joint in a much more favorable position for you to press. It reduces the risk of shoulder impingement and issues with the bicep tendon. It gives you, allows you to have more of a full range of motion with your press. It's just a safer, it helps you distribute that load more effectively. That's right. It's a must. If you're, if you're, I was a mistake as a trainer that I used to teach.

Starting point is 00:59:38 You know, I, I remember the first time I'd seen this again, you know, a young trainer seeing a power lifter lift for the first time, not seen this again. You know, young trainer, seeing a power lifter lift for the first time, not understanding the physics behind it why they're doing it, not even being great at the mechanics, but here I have all these national certifications and they don't condone it. And so it's all about safety and teaching a client to arch their low back is, could be dangerous.

Starting point is 01:00:00 So I went the complete opposite and would teach clients to flatten their back and put their feet up on the bench, which is just an awful idea. Because, so on the point that you made, if you lay down flat, if you lay on the ground flat, your head flat, your backs flat, or your butts on the ground, everybody will have, you'll be able to at least fit fingers. Some people will even be able to fit their hand or arm underneath there. You'll have that much of a natural arch. And that is you just laying there. If you then take your shoulders and retract and depress, which is where they're supposed to be

Starting point is 01:00:31 when you start a bench press, it's very important that you're in that position, you'll excessively arch it. You'll definitely be able to fit your arm in it that way. So it's necessary that you have in arch in there. It's what you don't want is, it doesn't need to be excessive, unless you're a power lifter

Starting point is 01:00:47 and looking for every bit of leverage, then you don't want it. And we're also looking at vertical and horizontal force vectors. Where's most the force coming from? It's directed vertically is where you gotta be worried. If I was standing up and I had like an excessive back arch, like that's a problem.

Starting point is 01:01:07 That's a good point. I'm susceptible to, you know, that force being directed to its weakest point. And so for here, the weakest point is, you know, right behind the shoulders. And so if I'm like bringing my shoulder blades together, now I'm more supportive. At what a great, what an excellent point Justin.

Starting point is 01:01:21 So essentially, it took to put it in even more of the layman's terms, right? If you're standing up and you have a weight on your shoulders or above your head, the weight is pushing down on your body and you're supporting yourself from the standing position. Arching your back really strongly. Very dangly. It's gonna, yeah, you might hurt yourself.

Starting point is 01:01:39 Now when you're on a bench, the weight is pressing down on your arms and your arms are connected to your shoulders and your shoulders are resting on the bench. If you flatten your back, what you actually run the risk of doing is taking your shoulders off the bench a little bit, and actually losing stability. Arching your back, all it does is connect the bar to the bench. It actually makes it far safer.

Starting point is 01:01:57 What a brilliant point to bring up, Justin. Next question is from Natalie Gets. What are the pros and cons of supersetting? Supersetting. So supersetting is, I think there's a few different definitions, but the traditional definition of a superset is taking two exercises, just two, and doing one after the other one without any rest.

Starting point is 01:02:20 Now, some of the benefits of doing that well, it depends how you combine exercises. If you're combining exercises that work different parts of your body, a lot of the benefits tend to be more of a stamina and endurance type of benefit, and it tends to be a little bit more generalize, I would say, for the whole body. If you superset for the same body part, like I say, let's say I do one chest exercise and then I go to another chest exercise very quickly, I get endurance more locally in the chest, but the reason

Starting point is 01:02:50 why you see people supersetting typically with weights is because of the pump. The blood that rushes to the muscle in a superset is just, it's amplified. It's tremendous. Yeah, you get a phenomenon. This is why bodybuilders love doing super sets, because they're always looking for that one. Well, this is why it's included in most of the hypertrophy phases in our programs.

Starting point is 01:03:12 When the adaptation or the desired outcome of what we're chasing in that phase of the program is hypertrophy, cycloplasmic hypertrophy, getting the pump, it's an incredible tool. But like any other tool You can use it and you can abuse it. I for sure was a kid who abused this I Chased I did my first workout with supersets and had the most massive pump I ever had in my life That's all I'm doing and now I fell in love with it

Starting point is 01:03:38 And then I was mr. Superset guy every time I trained I always supers said because I love the feeling of the pump. Now like anything else the body adapts and gets used to that and then the original benefits that I got from it initially start to diminish. And so if you are super setting or using that tool use it intermittently and like we pro the way we program it in our programs it'll be in a phase. So you won't see super setting any longer than about three weeks, maybe four weeks tops, inside the program, then you'll phase out of it and do a more traditional

Starting point is 01:04:10 straight sets where you have resting in between exercises. But incredible benefits, especially when chasing the pump, but like anything else in any tool, the more often and more regular you do it, the returns start to diminish and you want to move and phase out of that. One of my, one of the other benefits of a superset, and this can't be understated.

Starting point is 01:04:31 I think often times we focus on the physiological response from an exercise, like, oh, this is good for strength and endurance and a pump or a bill. And not just time, that's also a good point. I'm glad you brought that up, but there's another one. There are psychological benefits to working out, okay? And supersetting, for example, sometimes I like to superset opposing muscles. I like to superset biceps with triceps or chest and back.

Starting point is 01:04:58 Now why? Just to get a massive, you look huge. Dude, if you're good, you grow three inches on your arms. It feels phenomenal. You pump, I remember reading articles, you grow three inches on your arms. It feels phenomenal. You pump, I remember reading articles about this. That's a good point. One of Arnold's favorite supersets was chinups to bench press. He loved working lats and chest and a superset.

Starting point is 01:05:15 And I don't know if there's necessarily a physiological benefits aside from the fact that you're moving from one to the other. I don't know if there's a benefit from the fact that you're working opposed to muscle groups, but the fact that both sides of my body get a great pump, psychologically speaking, it's fun.

Starting point is 01:05:30 It's a lot of fun. It definitely plays a role in training, enjoying what you do. I look at it the same way that I, or at least how I use it now, the same way that I use tools like hit training or circuit training. It's like a great tool,

Starting point is 01:05:42 all kinds of great studies around, the benefits behind it, like anything else, if you do it all the time, then those those benefits diminish, but use it when it makes the most sense. So while super setting for me is great because it's a great way to get a lot of volume in a short period of time. So if I know today is a day where I like, you know, in a perfect world for me, I've got 90 minutes to two hours. Like that's where I like, you know, in a perfect world for me, I've got 90 minutes to two hours. Like that's where I can stroll in the gym, mobility, walk on the treadmill,

Starting point is 01:06:10 get my mindset right, like get hydrated, get into a great workout slowly ramp up, and then cool down, like that's a perfect world for me. But that's not every day. That's a blessing when that happens. A lot of times what ends up happening is, oh shit, I'm looking at my clock, Katrina told me, she needs to be home by four

Starting point is 01:06:27 because there's no one there for max. And it's already three right now. I've only got 60 minutes tops and I haven't even started yet. Today's a great day to do some supersets. I want to still accomplish all that volume and I'm limited on time today to keep up my training regimen. Okay, well, now I'm gonna throw supersets

Starting point is 01:06:44 and guess what? Because I don't do it on a regular basis all time. Ooh, the body responds. Oh yeah, here's three of my favorite ways to superset. So one is same body part, exercise to exercise. It really doesn't matter if they're both compound, both isolation, it's just fun to work on the same muscle with a different exercise without any resting between the exercise.

Starting point is 01:07:07 That's one. The second one is opposing muscle groups. I just talked about that, biceps and triceps, chest and back, quads and hamstrings, phenomenal supersets. The third way is known as a pre-exhaust superset. This one was, I first learned about reading the book called heavy duty bike mic mencer and what he would talk about is doing a isolation movement on a muscle and then immediately going to a compound movement.

Starting point is 01:07:33 So you pre-exhaust the muscle with an isolation movement. So let's say I do flies for my chest, then I go to a bench press. You have to go weight lighter on the second exercise. That's another great way to do a super set. Next question is from Sarah Gottfried. Do you think gamification like the Fitbit or closing your rings on the Apple Watch helps build long-term habits? If you used right, Dr. Andy Galpin would disagree. So his book unplugged and gets into this. It's an interesting thought, especially coming from the guy. Kind of creates a dependency.

Starting point is 01:08:07 Right. So I mean, and here's the example I'll use. And I remember the first time that I was kind of challenging Sal on this, because I'm him and I are a lot like this. If Sal and I get in the car today, it is the scariest thing ever. We have to be somewhere.

Starting point is 01:08:19 This is it. Right? Like this has happened to us, right? We just traveled to Arizona and like him and I like, show up the airport and I'm like, you have the itinerary? You have the itinerary? Like where are we going?

Starting point is 01:08:28 What time are we getting out of here? Do you know what the car from? I don't know. You know, car Katrina, fuck, you know, so that's him and I, right? And then we get in the car and, you know, we have to sit there, put everything in navigation before we even turn it on because we know

Starting point is 01:08:39 if we don't know exactly where it's at and it's put in there, we will get lost for sure. So now, the reason why I'm sharing that story is because I wasn't always like this. In fact, in my small group of friends, I was known as the guy who was really good at it. I had all everyone's phone numbers memorized. I could go to a place one time.

Starting point is 01:09:00 I don't care how many turns I had to get, I could find it. I was really good at that. In fact, I took a lot of pride on it and I was always the one who drove everybody because of that and so But I have completely lost that and now I was also Part of the generation or the people that hopped on the garments as soon as they came out in the Tom Tom's I thought they were that was awesome Those are navigate for the people listening GPS those are the first GPS devices

Starting point is 01:09:25 awesome. Those are for the people listening to GPS. Those are the first GPS devices you can go get. Yeah, you had to plug it into your cigarette lighter and you suction cup to your window. And so that was I was one of the first people to have that and I never stopped using it. Now and so I've become dependent on it so much that if all of a sudden my iPhone I lost it now or I didn't have it and I had to get somewhere and someone gave me an address in my own fucking city, could be five minutes from my house, I would be fucking freaking out. Yeah, you'd be screwed. And because I, so that same thing applies

Starting point is 01:09:56 with these incredible tools like Fitbit, which I'm also somebody who is a big advocate for these tools, because I think there is. There needs to be an exit plan. I like them for coaches. I like them for coaches. I like them for coaches or people that are using them to learn about their body, but then it'd like everything else you want to detach from that eventually,

Starting point is 01:10:13 and you want to get to the place, just like we talk about eating and tracking. You don't always want to have to enter your macros in. You want to get to the same place with your Fitbit and exercise. Well, what I do think is, and we're speaking to a large fitness audience right now, just the way that we're talking, but I think for your average everyday person that doesn't even really do anything, I've seen a lot of changes, behaviorally, with the general public, with these types of things,

Starting point is 01:10:40 especially the closing the loop thing. I thought was like one of the most brilliant things they've come up with yet because of its simplicity. And I see people all the time getting up and doing shit just to close those things. And it's like this, this ritual that they've, you know, it's become a part of like what they do in order to finish it. However, you know, again, this is like the catalyst that's supposed to then spark you into further improvements. Well, I wonder if it's a thing, and we always talk about this stuff. We always talk and celebrate the thing,

Starting point is 01:11:14 what's why it's so great, and we don't always talk about the unintended consequences from it. And the Fitbit generation and Apple Watch generation is right now. This isn't 20, 30, 40 years from now. My daughter won't want to want for a birthday. Yeah, so this is this generation right now.

Starting point is 01:11:31 So we haven't seen what does the generation, 20, 30 years from now look like. Does it do anything at all for people? Right, and will they be complete clueless? Okay, well, look at people today that trying to get around town. They all use their Google Maps and they're completely oblivious how to get around it.

Starting point is 01:11:48 I got a better example. Will it do more harm than good? I got even better example than that. Nobody knows people's phone numbers today. You know the phone numbers I remember? My mom's phone number because that's the one that I had since I was a kid. And to my best friends.

Starting point is 01:12:00 I don't, yeah, I don't even know, I don't even know Jessica's phone number. I could not tell you, if my phone broke, I wouldn't be able to get a hold of her. I'd have to go find someone to cell phone and message her. I only know Courtney, because that way I get the discounts at Grimstor.

Starting point is 01:12:12 Yeah, now here, now it's because, look, here's the thing. Toils are only, tools are only as good as you use them. Okay, the way that you use them determines whether or not a tool is good or bad. These are tools. And if you use them. The way that you use them determines whether or not a tool is good or bad. These are tools. If you use them to completely outsource the skill of yours, you have now become dependent. Just like I've become dependent on my phone to remember people's phone numbers. When I was a kid, I knew everybody's phone number, all my aunts' phone numbers, my friends,

Starting point is 01:12:38 my cousins, everybody's. Just like we don't know where the hell we're going, although I never knew where the hell I was going. I was different than you new, I literally have. This is the point I've always brought up with just having Google and search engines and everything. Like you stop really trying to recall information. That might be, that might be.

Starting point is 01:12:54 That's a problem. There might be some sort of thing. Now, and the, like the near IELs and tech guys that would be in support of this would say things like, well, we're outsourcing things that we want outsource that you don't want to have to think about in the future five, 10 years from now. Sure.

Starting point is 01:13:12 But what is that after speaking? There's, you know, our dads, right, would say something like, I mean, I remember when my washer and dryer first broke out. Yeah, fix it yourself. Yeah. And he was just angry at me because I didn't want to go the lengths of trying to figure all that out. Now in his time, when that stuff probably first came on the market, there wasn't even people to go fix those things. You know what I'm

Starting point is 01:13:34 saying? We're now, it's like, I look at and go like, wait a second, on my phone, I could have somebody here within 15 minutes still fix it for a total of, you know, somewhere between 75 and 125, I make more than that per hour. Why the fuck would I do it? It doesn't even make sense to me. You know what I'm saying? I say you're saying. No, you both make really good points,

Starting point is 01:13:51 but Justin said something that I want to go back to that I think was also a good point in that. He said, what do we lose? So I'm gonna use a very clear example that's very black and white. Let's say we outsourced our ability to walk. Let's say we developed equipment that literally, what do you mean?

Starting point is 01:14:08 We already are, you see that in a segue. The scooters in a segue. No, no, no, no, but I mean, it was so good that walking would be stupid. I'd float everywhere because I have a machine strap me. Yeah, that could literally happen. I would lose the part of my brain that controls my legs. What else do that connect to?

Starting point is 01:14:21 There's downstream effects from that kind of stuff. Your brain's ability to navigate or remember certain things isn't just good to remember that specific thing. Well, and I worry, I'm more of like a freedom guy. Like, what, what, what, why, like, is that freedom? Why, why, for me to be able to recall my own information and remember things like that, you know, alleviates my dependency on something else,

Starting point is 01:14:43 like telling me things, like That can remember a lot better. That's actually no different than the argument that I'm making with the washer and dryer. It's the critical thinking side of the brain that you're getting rid of, right? But then the argument again, maybe now your time is used critical thinking for other things, so it's still being stretched

Starting point is 01:15:01 and exercised in that way. Totally. Just not for these things that are mundane. There's only, you could use it to your benefit. Totally. Just not for these things that are mundane. There's a way you could use it to your benefit. Totally, but in the context of this question, which was FitBits and those types of devices, I think there's far more value

Starting point is 01:15:14 and not relying and outsourcing it completely. I think using those to learn your own body because you're always gonna be in your own body. And the way we eat and the way we move is less of me paying attention and looking at things and reading things and more of how I naturally behave and you'll never learn those skills unless your fit bit made your food for you. Maybe that would be different like where it's producing all your food for you and it's got all the perfect macros but you're still making choices.

Starting point is 01:15:43 And I think that that... Well, this is why they say too that attention is gonna be like, attention in the future. Your attention economy. Is everything, right? Because everything we're creating for ourselves is allowing us to become more distracted and less present

Starting point is 01:15:56 and to like Ryan Holiday stillness's key book. That's gonna be so crucial in the future because we're not far off from absolutely scooters and floating things that we won't have to, people will look, it will be like that soon. It's not, we're not that far. You have those, what are those stupid things? Oh, you're still walking?

Starting point is 01:16:13 Yeah. Yeah. Right. I mean, so, you know, it will be important that you practice the skill of becoming very present, no matter how you wrap that up, whether we're talking about directions, fit bit tools, I think that all applies. Becoming very aware and present is going to become extremely valuable for the skill to

Starting point is 01:16:36 be able to do that is going to be a commodity. It's going to be very difficult for a lot of people to do in the future. Use your fit bit and use these devices as training wheels, use them as ways to learn, but then your goal should be to eventually be able to navigate your life and your nutrition, your activity, without those things. Apply it yourself.

Starting point is 01:16:55 Yeah, and you know what's funny, it makes me think like if it's ever like a solar flare that knocks out all the electricity, again, humans will go extinct. I'm so tinfoil sometimes. Yeah, I think like a thing. Like we lose power, we can't have food, we don't want to do.

Starting point is 01:17:08 Yeah, I just wanna have like basic skills. Yeah, for sure. For sure, we ever have like a World War gun. That's how it's gonna go down. We're not gonna use nukes on each other. We're everybody's life. Yeah, we'll just fuck with everybody's life. Boom, no lights.

Starting point is 01:17:18 Yeah, we'll let them kill each other. You know what I'm saying? That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Anyway, with that, go to minepumpfree.com and download all of our free books and free resources. You can actually get all of them

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