Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1203: Ways to Keep Your Metabolism High When Dieting, Overcoming Wrist Pain, When to Use Multivitamins & MORE

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Saldas Defenow, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, we answer fitness questions asked by listeners like you. What they do is they go to our Instagram page, Mind Pump Media. They post a fitness question. We pick the best ones and then we answer them. Now we start the episode off by talking about current events, our lives, oftentimes we mention our sponsors,

Starting point is 00:00:31 and we have a lot of fun. So here's the rundown of what happened in this episode. He gave us the rundown. Podcast of MindPup. So we started by talking about my, well this morning I had an old man's story, so I hurt myself a little bit, but I won the battle. You're gonna have to listen to that, this champion.

Starting point is 00:00:46 The beginning to find out what happened. Adam talked about how he wrestled with Justin's son and told him that he was stronger than Justin was. So I am getting him back to that. Terrible. We talked about the young lady who was doing naked fundraising for the fires in Australia. First off, there are lots of fires going on in Australia.

Starting point is 00:01:05 This is like the worst fires in decades. They need lots of help. You can go and donate, I believe the Australian Red Cross is accepting donations. But there was a woman that said, hey, if you send money to these donations or to these charities, I will send you a naked picture. She raised a lot of money.

Starting point is 00:01:21 Hey, weird, right? Good job. Just them brought up a new piece of technology, the LexiLite lamp that helps kids and people with, what's that? Dislexia. Dislexia, thank you very much. Forget about that. Which, let us talk about some predictions.

Starting point is 00:01:35 We predict that in the future tech companies will require their employees to wear blue light blocking glasses. Now, our favorite company that makes blue light blocking glasses is Felix Gray. They make glasses that aren't super orange or red, they look good so you don't look like a dork sitting in front of your computer. They're stylish, the prices are decent, we love working with them and we have a hookup for you. Go to Felix Gray Glasses that's F-E-L-I-X-G-R-A-Y glasses.com.com.com. You'll get free shipping and free returns.

Starting point is 00:02:10 Then we talked about the X-F-L. This is the new football league that's coming out. Bringing it back. Adam brought up how the red socks and astros got caught cheating. That's kind of crazy. Justin talks about his recent class at an improv school. He's doing some improv stuff, it's kind of cool. I brought up how the Golden Globes was serving purely vegan meals to all of their virtue signaling. Could there be more pretentious. Actor and actress friends or whatever. I talked about how the Pentagon is telling their

Starting point is 00:02:39 military personnel to not do at home DNA tests and I have a theory around that. And then I talked about the experiment with my kids and how I'm going to give them high protein, low sugar, low carb, great macro profile, magic spoon cereal, but I'm going to put it in a shitty kids cereal box. So they don't know the oldest trick in the book. Magic spoon is a company that makes high protein cereal. So you can actually have a 36 gram protein serving of cereal that tastes

Starting point is 00:03:06 like kids cereal. No joke. You're not going to believe it. It's amazing. By the way, they have this huge, they have this guarantee policy. If you're not a fan of their cereal at all, you'll get a full refund. That's kind of cool. Anyway, we have a discount for you. So here's what you do. Go to magicspoon.com, fore sash, mine pump, you'll get an automatic discount applied to your purchase. Then we got into the question answering. Here's the first question, how do you cut without ruining your metabolism? In other words, how do I get my body leaner

Starting point is 00:03:35 without getting my metabolism to slow down? So we talk about strategies there. The next question, this person has wrist pain. Every time they do front squats, the wrists hurt. Maybe this happens to you. Maybe when you do pushups or other exercises, your wrist bothers you. So we talk all about wrist mobility

Starting point is 00:03:50 and strengthening exercises in that part of the episode. The next question, this person wants to know if it's okay to train powerlifting, performance type training, bodybuilding and corrective type exercises, all in the same workout or the kitchen sink at it. Or is it better to divide it all up? So we talk about why we think it's better for most people to divide it all up.

Starting point is 00:04:10 And the final question, this person says, hey, look, there's a lot of controversy surrounding a multivitamin. I eat healthy, I take a greens powder, should I take a multi? So we talk all about multivitamins, when they're valuable and when they're not valuable. Also, this month, maps hit is 50% off. We talk all about multivitamins when they're valuable and when they're not valuable.

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Starting point is 00:05:42 Oh wow. Oh yeah, I went to,, was a Bay Club now, they changed the name right, Bay Club. And I haven't been there in a while. Excuse me, and they put two new platforms in there. Yeah, I saw the picture you sent over. Where's that at? That's in the, down in the CrossFit category.

Starting point is 00:05:57 Yeah, the grass area or whatever. Bumper plates and they got the, you know, platform. So, Malice is great. So, now my intention was, I'm gonna go there today, and I'm gonna go, and I'm gonna get connected to the muscle, I'm gonna feel the squeeze, I'm gonna train intelligently. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:06:15 That was the intention. That was the intention. Yeah, it's like 6am, so I walk in, I set up my, got my liquid chalk on my hands, because I like that, the feel of that or whatever got my little electrolyte drink and everything and I'm setting up my deadlift and as I'm setting up, some 20, probably, I don't know,

Starting point is 00:06:33 24 year old. Oh boy. Dude walks in. There you go, where this going. You know, he's got the man bun going on and the hipster beard or whatever and the five toe finger. Oh God, you can't let him out lift you.

Starting point is 00:06:45 No, bro. So he changed plans today. So he instantly he comes in and you know it's funny. You know it's funny. I immediately check myself right away. I'm like, you're just going to do your thing ignore, ignore the dude, ignore the man. You'll probably just do like 135.

Starting point is 00:06:59 Yeah, I'm okay. Yeah, it's all good. So and he's probably going to do some, you know, I don't know, he's going to do some weird exercise or whatever. So I start loading up my bar. He starts to load up his bar. I'm like, is he gonna deadlift? He's like watching you load your bar.

Starting point is 00:07:10 He's loading me. He's going like, there's this year old guy next to me. He's deadlift right now. No, it gets great. I should look at this old man. Oh, this is phenomenal. So I'm like, oh, we're gonna deadlift at the same time. Like, whatever, I'm just gonna do my own business.

Starting point is 00:07:19 So I warmed up at 135. He warms up at 135. I warmed up at 225. He warms up at 225. I warmed up at 315. warmed up at 135. I warmed up at 225, he warmed up at 225. I warmed up at 315, he warmed up at 315. Now at this moment, I'm listening to EDM because EDM is my like, please tell me you switch that out. Bro, hold on. So this is my like, I gotta feel the muscles,

Starting point is 00:07:39 you get squeezed or whatever. Now at this point we're at 315 and I'm noticing, I'm noticing he's doing one more rep to me every time I warm up So I'm like all right lamb a god time a little lamb. Yeah step it up a little lamb a god You know and I start to oh you know like you know I'm like you know old powers gonna come out. So yeah, we get to four plates together, right? Man months left in four plates together. So he's dead lifting your dead lifting. He's matching you It's still going. Yeah, so now we get up to four plates, right? And we're pulling. Now, I'm still relative.

Starting point is 00:08:08 There's four plates for me is not really a work set. Typically, it's leading up to my, my heavy lifts, although if I do reps on four plates, it's a workout. So he pulls four, I pull four. We, this is what gets the mic. I contact yet. Or was this just like, I feel like, peripheral. I feel like you're, you know, the story. So then finally, we look at each other and there's an acknowledgement, little head nod. You know what I was going on. That's a deadlift. You're doing some weight over that.

Starting point is 00:08:32 So the kid. So this fucking kid, dude, oh my God. He looks at me and he's like, wow, that's not bad, wait, good job. Oh, he says something to you. Condescendingly. Oh, wow. Like, wow, wow.

Starting point is 00:08:46 Like, you're strong for an old man. You know what I mean? I think he's listening to mumble rap. Probably. That's my guess. Probably something like that. So he's like, yeah, you're pretty, you're pretty good.

Starting point is 00:08:56 Yeah, that's pretty good, man. You know, you're doing a good job or something like that. And I'm like, this motherfucker, like this is gonna get, it's gonna get ugly now. So we hit the four plates and he does, I think he does, and at this time I wait, I'm like, I'm gonna wait for him to go because I'm gonna show him up a little bit.

Starting point is 00:09:14 So he pulls it for three, I pull it for four, put the weight down and I'm walking around. And he goes, man, he's just... He cockin' a little bit. Yeah, and he goes, dude, you're pretty strong, dude. He goes, why are you wear a belt? Cause he's not wearing a belt. Oh my God, he even made it.

Starting point is 00:09:28 Why do you wear a belt, Jeff? Oh wow. He goes, why do you wear a belt? He goes, is it like help you lift more? Yeah. I'm like, this is more like, you're wearing a belt but you're not wearing those shoes. Yeah, so I'm like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, yeah,

Starting point is 00:09:40 it helps me a little bit. I can lift a little bit more. So now I'm like, all right motherfucker, I'm gonna go heavy now. So I put the fifth plate on. I pull that really hard. He adds a, I think he adds like a quarter. So he can't pull.

Starting point is 00:09:54 He's not ready for five. No, he can't pull. The quarter. No, yeah, he can't do it. No, actually, no, before he pulls a quarter, so I pull five, he watches me. So he heads over to my, no, this, I'm sorry, before I pull a five, this is, it gets even better. I pull a four, he looks watches me, so he heads over to my, no, this, I'm sorry, before I pull a five,

Starting point is 00:10:06 this is, it gets even better. I pull a four, he looks at me, talks shit, I'm like, oh, the belt, whatever. He goes over to my rack to grab a weight. Now, there's a 45 there and a 25. He's crossing lanes. So he goes, because there's, there's his, his, his things out of weights.

Starting point is 00:10:19 He goes over to reach over for my plate and I go, oh, I'm gonna need that. So he goes, oh, he goes, oh, my bad. So we walks over and grabs a quarter. So he puts it from the leg press. He puts a quarter on his thing. So I look over and I'm like, oh, this is beautiful. So I put a 45 on.

Starting point is 00:10:34 I'm like, oh, I laughed a little bit. I'm like, actually, I thought you were gonna grab the 45, I'm like, you could take the quarter. I'm using the 45. So that's good. So that's good. So I do a set. Then he adds a 10 to his. So I add a quarter to mine.

Starting point is 00:10:49 So now I'm at, I don't know what is that, five, what is that, five, 45 or something? Oh God, you're pulling this heavy to heavy. Heavy for a day, you're supposed to be like swarking on the squeeze. Heavy bro, I pulled heavy, right? So I add a quarter of mine. I'm like, and I boom, boom, put it down

Starting point is 00:11:03 and I'm like, did I hurt myself? No, I'm still good. He adds another 10 to his. I already feel quarter of mine, I'm like, and I boo, boo, put it down and I'm like, did I hurt myself? No, I'm still good. He adds another 10 to his. I already feel like I won, but this is the old man part. I'm like, he's on the ground. You're a barium. This is the perfect opportunity now to step on his throw. Yeah, just kick him in.

Starting point is 00:11:17 While he's down, we're gonna put her in. An exclamation point on this, right? So I pull the five plates plus the quarter. He still has a 10 or 25 and four plates or whatever. I pull mine, I walk around, and I'm feeling good, but I'm not feeling fully satisfied. So then he starts to take his weights off. And he says, hold on, did you mind if I use that

Starting point is 00:11:37 for a drop set, I take my belt off? There it was. I pull his weight. Oh, it was a good time. But I did hurt myself. Oh yeah, I did. Yeah, I pull his weight. Yes. Oh, it was a good time, but I did hurt myself. Oh, yeah, I did. Yeah. I did injure myself.

Starting point is 00:11:48 Mass inevitable. Yeah, so I should ask them, yeah, like, you know, how do you get the perfect spin, you know, for the butt? Yeah, he's a pencil. Yeah, you can lift more if you cut your hair. So I won it, but I would cost. You know, so now I'm walking over here today. You're hurting it.

Starting point is 00:12:04 Yeah, dude, I for sure have a slight injury. Because of that thing. I'll be honest, that's worth it though. I mean, he had to do that. That's the old man story that I have. But it's funny when I was younger, I remember like wrestling with my dad or my uncles, and I remember them going a little too hard as I got bigger and stronger. And I would laugh about that because I'm like, oh, you're just, you don't want the younger lion or whatever. Now that's me, dude. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:12:29 That's me now where I'm like, you're not gonna beat me. Hey, talking about strength. Did I tell you the story that I did to Justin's son, Everett, while we were up in Tahoe? No. So we were, oh, wait a minute, yes he did. So we're outside, we're outside, we're trying to get food on a busy ass day

Starting point is 00:12:46 and everywhere we go is like an hour and a half wait or whatever. We're with Courtney and Justin's kids. And I think Doug's, Doug you're with us at that time too, I think, right, Doug, me. Yeah, we're trying to find a place to eat. Yeah, and just to remember. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember.

Starting point is 00:13:01 Yeah, and Justin's on the phone, right, talking. Courtney's standing next to her two boys. And I walk behind Everett, which I've told the story already, that Everett's like Justin, he's the one that's like full of energy. And so I wrap him behind him. And I wrap my arms around my squeezing real tight

Starting point is 00:13:16 and I pick him up and I shake him. And it was funny because, you know, when you do that with some kids, they just give in. You know, you're obviously much bigger than they are. They overpower up, but you do that with some kids, they just give in. You're obviously much bigger than they are. They overpower up, but you could feel him, like giving me everything he had to get out of it. And I had a bus free. Oh yeah, I had to kind of lock it in a little bit.

Starting point is 00:13:34 You know what I'm like, and he's like, he's fighting, he's trying to get out, and he's real serious to get out of it. And I was like, oh, you got some fighting you. And he's like, I go, just like your dad, when I hold him down. Hahaha. That's so fucking loud. Oh, dude, Courtney fucking dies laughing, right?

Starting point is 00:13:52 And then I let him go kill you for that. And I know it was such a great jab because Justin's on the phone. He can't defend himself. Yeah, and then this is happening. Right, so I'm talking shit. And he runs away and they're off playing in cornicles Oh, it's so funny that you just you just said that he came up to me yesterday

Starting point is 00:14:10 Because he'd been eyeballing me all fucking week and he's like mom dad Adam's really big is is he stronger than daddy? So I just bust out some videos and made sure Your dad So I just bust out some videos and make sure that you're dead. This is Adam. This is a amount of weight. Oh, God. That's hilarious.

Starting point is 00:14:30 It's close. That's my new thing though. Now I'll be whispered in there. Oh, time to give them shoes. That's evil, dude. Come on, man. He worships me right now. I don't want to lose that.

Starting point is 00:14:39 You'll never lose it. You'll never. You're a god to your kids are great. I remember one time when I was little, so I grew up with, there were six of us boys right around the same age, we're all cousins. And between the six of us, there's six dads, right? So six dads, six boys, we used to all get together

Starting point is 00:15:01 for family functions, and the fathers, all of our dads were young dads, right? So my dad had me when he was 20 and my cousins, the same thing with their dad. So they're all young, you know, and they're mid-twenties and we're at a family party and they started arm wrestling. So the dad started getting around to table and started arm wrestling.

Starting point is 00:15:20 Now, we were all like, oh my gosh, let's see whose dad is the strongest. So we're around everybody. That should almost turn into a brawl. Oh, we were all like, oh my gosh, let's see whose dad is the strongest. So we're around everybody. That should almost turn into a brawl. Oh, I bet. Of course. So my dad is, my dad and my cousin's dad, who both of them have the same name,

Starting point is 00:15:34 their names are both, you know, Domenico or whatever, though they're the strongest of the dad. So they beat everybody. So now it's them too. So me and my cousin are both looking at each other like, see, see, see, see. And they were fucking go and do the table shake in. People are yelling or whatever. My dad beat some. I'm like, yay. My dad's is my dad. Oh, dude. It was funny because his dad

Starting point is 00:15:55 had to go to him and like, console him. Like, no, it's okay. You know, sometimes we lose or whatever. Like, dude, I would never do that for the other son. Son, we never lose. Yeah. Yeah. And let him win. Yeah. Yeah. I had to let him win anyway, dude. Did you guys see the, are you guys getting messages from people in Australia?

Starting point is 00:16:14 All the wires over there? Yeah. So, some of the worst ever, right? It's crazy. Yeah, and they've arrested a bunch of arsonists who've started. Yeah, I heard something like like 50% of it's been from arsonists. I read an article on that. Yeah, there were a lot of arsonists who started 50% of it's been from arsonists. I read an article on that.

Starting point is 00:16:26 Yeah, there were a lot of arsonists who were setting brush fires. One of the worst fires they've had in decades. That's hell is wrong with people. I don't know. But there was this social media influencer, girl who was sending people new pictures of herself for donations. So ready for this. She raised over $700,000.

Starting point is 00:16:46 You lied. No. There's a power of porn. Yeah, wow. So she, Pad respect. Porn for good. She would tell people if you donate to this,

Starting point is 00:16:57 you know, these organizations, I know there's like the Australian Red Cross is a great place to donate. So if you wanna help, that's a great place to do it. But she gave people nude pictures or herself for it and she generated shit tons of money. That is awesome.

Starting point is 00:17:11 Yeah, so we can't hate on that. It's so fun. It makes me laugh too. You want to talk about the gender pay gap. How much you guys think a guy would raise? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We should try. To do that.

Starting point is 00:17:21 Ten bucks, dude. You have to do the opposite. That's my guess. Yeah, donate or I'll send you. Yeah. Yeah. Just to stop it. Stop these from entering my DMs.

Starting point is 00:17:29 I've got to send this. Yeah, please. That's a good time. But yeah, so it's a crazy time over there for everybody. I know a lot of animals and stuff have died. So it's kind of a, hopefully they get on the floor. Did we have somebody in our form that sent over a link and everything so you can send over to donate?

Starting point is 00:17:44 You're gonna do that? Yeah, we should put that in the show link and everything so you can send over to donate, you're going to do that? Yeah, we should put that in the show. I know the Australian Red Cross is a big place that you can send money to help with the offer. So I do get emails a lot of time still. Last year I went to CES. You guys know what that whole event is and everything. Yeah, they just display of all the latest technology.

Starting point is 00:18:04 What does it use to stand for? I don't know. Consumer, yeah, they just display of all the latest technology. What is the US damn for? Yeah, I don't know. Consumer, electronic, summit, something like that. Okay. Yeah, that's my guess. I don't know. But, I mean, this is basically for companies to come in and show off, you know, like, oh, word, we have all this groundbreaking technology.

Starting point is 00:18:19 All these products are out that are going to like change and innovate the whole market and all the stuff. But there was one company I saw that was coming out with a pretty cool product. I think it was called Lexalite. And this is to address anybody that has dyslexia. And so I guess the issue with dyslexia, so I'm not very familiar with the problem of other than like they read and they're reading like it's

Starting point is 00:18:46 almost like a mirrored effect. So you read something and it's like confusing because you see you know like the same word and it's like hard to decipher. So I guess this addresses that somehow because like both eyes are dominant where you know when you're reading whereas you need one of them to be dominant to kind of take over and keep it going. Interesting. Yeah, so they're able to distract it with this light somehow to, yeah, it's a trip. Wait a minute, so it's a light. Do you shine it on the page or do you wear glasses or something?

Starting point is 00:19:17 Yeah, I think you shine it on the page. I mean, I'm not real, like, versed in the science of it, but it looks really cool that they're addressing something like that. Oh my God. They can do through something like simple with just like a reading life. That is so brilliant. Have you guys seen those, it reminds me, have you guys seen those videos of those, those gl- oh there it is right there, Doug just put it out.

Starting point is 00:19:36 Oh yeah. That's phenomenal. Yeah. Does it actually work, Doug? Is that what the article says? Ah, the read the whole thing, you know. What did the email say? I'll say, just in the comments.

Starting point is 00:19:44 Yeah, I was a lot of like clinical trials and it's backed by a lot of, you know, like reputable science. So as far as what they they profess, it's it's already working. So 90% of them found it improved. Wow 90% that's so good. You know, speaking of speaking of of lights and eyes and reading and stuff like that, like, you know, I have a prediction. We always put out things on this podcast that we predict. We're going to see in the future. And what I think we're going to see is the same way that like,

Starting point is 00:20:15 well, there's construction workers, like when they're using equipment, they have to wear special eye goggles, right? It requires required. I predict that we are going to see that in the tech industry for blue light blocking glasses. I would mark my words. I 100% agree. Yeah. I completely agree with that because they're showing pretty good evidence that it's damaging permanently. And the companies want to protect themselves too. I mean, like, think of it from a self-protective interest. You know, like, I wanna make sure all my employees

Starting point is 00:20:45 don't come back to me later with all these, like, you know, lawsuits, lawsuits and studies and things that prove it. So I just read an article along the lines of that where the blue light blocking type classes, the market for that is expected to grow at almost 10% within the next four years. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:21:01 Which is very fast growth. Now, I think that that growth is going to accelerate. I agree with you, Adam. I think what we're seeing right now is the beginning of the hockey stick of growth. I think it's gonna continue to grow at faster and faster pace, exactly because of what you're talking about.

Starting point is 00:21:16 Yeah, I mean, the research is out there now, and we know, and I think that you're gonna start seeing more to Justin's point. You're gonna see more and more people actually trying to sue and do shit over that. They're going to be, they've been, I mean, we haven't had this, right? We haven't had people working on computers. Very, maybe we had a small percentage of population,

Starting point is 00:21:32 but we have a large percentage of population now that stare computers for eight hours a day for the last two, three, four decades, right? It's been long enough now to, you know, all the ramifications of that are going to pop up. And more than that, it's not that you're, that's a big part of it, but the other part of it is when you're not

Starting point is 00:21:48 staring at computers, you're staring at other screens, you're staring at TV's, you're just inundated with it. Or phone or tablet devices. So it's not just because if you go back, into the mid to late 90s and early 2000s, people were on computers quite a bit, especially in the Bay Area, but when they were off computers, they were done. There was no other screen,

Starting point is 00:22:08 except for maybe their TV. Well, and not to mention, that's still only a decade or two decades is still not very much. I mean, what are we going to see when you have somebody who's literally for 30 years of their life and staring at a screen, and then also like you're saying, coming home and looking at a high-deaf television? So, I have another prediction to add to that. So as that market grows, of course, these companies, you know, like Felix Gray, that's one of our, the company we work with, those companies are going to start to look for people to represent them and sponsor them to separate themselves.

Starting point is 00:22:36 I think the perfect to combine two exploding markets. I think the perfect people to use blue-, blueblocking glasses as like being sponsored, video game professionals, gamers, like sports, right? Could you see that? Like, I wonder if Felix has already dabbled in that. I have, you know, the next time I'm on a call with him, I'll ask if they're already there, I would assume that they would go there. You're getting a sponsor athletes, that would be the one. Yes, because like, think about how effective athletes have been at selling anything, right? Shoes, McDonald's, you know, clothes. It's still fun to call them athletes. Yeah,

Starting point is 00:23:08 now, whatever, whatever competitors, right? Professional video gamer. Yeah, whatever. Yeah. But that market is exploding so fast, so fast, and the younger generation could give a shit about professional sports. They know all the professional gamers, games, that's the new thing. That the next 10 to 15 years, those are the ones that are gonna, those are the kids, or whatever, those are the competitors, I should say, that will be selling lots of products.

Starting point is 00:23:32 And think about it, can you think of a better product to combine with that? They literally need it. Absolutely. Speaking of athletes, did you guys see that XFL just released their rulebook that is different than the NFL, just like a couple days.

Starting point is 00:23:45 Oh, yes. What's that? You're in this. What is it? There's a lot of little things that are different, but probably one of the most interesting things that I think, they're like the extra points that have just been a field goal or two. You have the option to start from the two yard, the five yard, the ten yard, and you can get one, two or three points.

Starting point is 00:24:00 Oh, that's cool. Yeah, it is cool. One of the coolest things that I think is what's way different way definitely felt is they're getting rid of the forward pass. So you could catch a, you could be a wide receiver, tied in, catch a ball, and then throw it again to somebody else. Wait a minute. You can go forward after you catch it.

Starting point is 00:24:17 Yes. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh's crazy. It's like, yeah. Now, does it say how many times you could do that? I didn't see in the rule book where if it said, I know at least one more time. I don't know if there's, they're eliminating the four pass completely and you can just keep laddering it as much as you want.

Starting point is 00:24:35 Yeah. And then it's dead if it goes drops or you maybe, potentially could turn the ball over then. But I know that they were, they're eliminating the forward pass now from a receiver so you can catch the ball and throw it. And at least one more time, throw it forward again. You know what I like about that?

Starting point is 00:24:51 Because what I like about that is you're going to see completely new strategies and new game. Yeah, and just like when MMA became popular, you had, things had to evolve because you start to learn different things. Imagine now wide receivers now they don't throw. It's gonna be interesting what they do here. Obviously, you know, McMahon tried to do this before.

Starting point is 00:25:12 I'm sure they learned from a lot of their mistakes that they made the first time. They didn't give up on it. They're doing it again. So obviously they see the opportunity there. There's opportunity in the space. I mean, the NFL pretty much has a monopoly. In the, yeah. And that will, do you know by chance, like the first time around? opportunity there, there's opportunity in the space, I mean, the NFL pretty much has a monopoly in the world.

Starting point is 00:25:25 And that was, Do you know by chance, like, of the first time around? I, you know what? I watched that there's a really good documentary on, I believe it's Netflix did on him that went all into the XFL. That was really good. And they, and they shared that on there. I don't remember what it was off the top of my head,

Starting point is 00:25:41 but I know the documentary gets into that. But it's gonna be interesting. And you have the rule. Yeah. Oh, yeah, there was a lot of it, but the rest of them are. Those are the most popular. Yeah, but I know the documentary gets into that. But it's gonna be interesting. And you have the rule. Oh yeah, there was a lot of, but the rest of them are. Those are the most popular. Yeah, those two rules that I just shared with the two that stood out to me,

Starting point is 00:25:51 that like, oh, that's gonna be really different and interesting. So now where are they gonna pull players from? Obviously, currently, you're a top player. You're a top player. A top, you're a key lead. My buddy, the kicker who didn't get resigned, he's going over there.

Starting point is 00:26:04 There's a lot of people that either won, didn't get resigned, he's going over there. There's a lot of people that either one didn't get resigned in the NFL maybe after there are thersan. There's no real minor league either. Right. It's like this is a great avenue. Dude, you realize that only like the 1% of, you know, like top, top colleges

Starting point is 00:26:19 even make the NFL, not even the 1%. So there's just, there's such a huge pool of football players out there's a need You know that could make a living out of exactly. There's a lot of guys that would would pay We'd be willing to play for Sydney less than with the NFL plays just to have an opportunity to play gone the sport They probably gonna get paid good are they is there is their season gonna be at the same time as the NFLs? Or they go in opposite? I would hope it doesn't. No, I don't think it does. I think it overlaps a little bit,

Starting point is 00:26:47 but I think it actually runs. Yeah, that has to be, right? It's pretty sure that's what I read. Like the same time. Spring to summer. I mean, I'm really, yeah, exactly. I think that's what it does. So, and I think there was partly strategy

Starting point is 00:26:56 that for them to do that, actually, to screw the NFL who would be waiting for colleges that came out, the XFL will have like the first shot at them first. So I think that's going to be an interesting thing. Yeah, no, there's going to be a lot of cool stuff that came out, the XFL will have like the first shot at them first. So I think that's gonna be interesting. Yeah, no, there's gonna be a lot of cool stuff that comes out from this. I'm watching again, you know, it's like,

Starting point is 00:27:11 it's gonna be, yeah. And especially too, with all the new rules in the NFL, like really trying to soften the game and make it, you know, more bubble taped, like I could imagine like the XFL being the counter to that, like being like more brutal. All tackling as little as you take someone down That's gonna be interested. Do you guys remember the the women's football league?

Starting point is 00:27:31 What they call the lingerie? Do you guys remember that? Yeah, I do. Where they you don't remember that? I remember the blood like commercials that they made no the LFL or whatever. Yeah. No, this was an actual League tackle football Women wearing pads, but they wore, yeah, but they wore two twos or something. No, not two twos. They wore like sports bras and bikini bottoms, which is, so it's so condescending.

Starting point is 00:27:54 It's like, yeah, you guys can play football, but we need to see that. Well, they're trying to do, that's the thing though. They're trying to get eyes, you know, so they can make money, but you know, that's, that was their angle. Now, here's a deal. I would, if, you know, I thought it was condescending.

Starting point is 00:28:05 Oh, brother, you know, they're gonna play, but then they have to be half naked. But if you ever watched one of those games, these girls fucked each other up. Oh, yeah. No, I mean, they were taking each other's heads off, and these chicks were built. They weren't bikini models.

Starting point is 00:28:19 They were like, they look like. In college, so I don't remember what it was called, but there was an event where all the girls on campus, you would recruit for football, and we would train them and everything for tackle football. And this was like without pads or anything, but powder puff league, I think is what they call it. Even the names are coming out, right?

Starting point is 00:28:39 It is, but they, dude, it was legit. Like they got into it, they got to get aggressive, and it was like, it was legit. Like, they got into it. They got to get aggressive and it was like, it was so much fun, dude. I coached a team. Yeah, didn't your high school do that? I mean, there was a Powerpuff game at home coming week, always. And it was the juniors versus the seniors.

Starting point is 00:28:55 Now, did they wear pads or was it? That was flag. It was flag football. Yeah, it was flag football. And, but it was, that's a, it's been a tradition for as long as I've been around the town, and I think it still goes on now, where during Homecoming Week there's a powder puff game, and it's juniors for senior girls. Yeah, when you allow girls to get aggressive like that, it's amazing.

Starting point is 00:29:13 Well, especially when you play class as well. Classes are always, you know, juniors and seniors, like traditionally, or like, or at natural rivals, right? Well, look, I've seen quite a few fights in the real world, and I've seen girl fights, and women can be very, very aggressive and vicious, wanting to rip each other's eyeballs out. You know what I mean? Usually guys are not going to, but I've seen girl fights where they're reaching for eyeballs.

Starting point is 00:29:39 They want to pull someone's eyeball out. I've never done that in a fight. I've never thought to myself, I'm going to blind you. Yeah, I know. I know, I know, I know, Sal gets really uncomfortable. We stay in the sports world, but I have to like bring up what I saw. Another article on related sports and that was that it came out that the red socks and the Astros were caught cheating in the last two world series.

Starting point is 00:29:56 Wait, how are they? What were they doing? They were, they had a video camera that was like a hyper one that was actually reading the catchers signals of the pitch. And then they were relaying the pitch that was coming a hyper one that was actually reading the catchers signals of the pitch. And then they were relaying the pitch that was coming to the batter. Which is super cheating. Wow.

Starting point is 00:30:12 And now this has been happening in baseball since the beginning of how they do that with the earpiece to the... No, science, coaching science. So the first base or third base? Yeah, you got a third base. And I don't know the other one. I mean, how did they get it?

Starting point is 00:30:25 Is when I'm asking, like, they have an earpiece or... No, they watched it on the camera. Right. And they signaled it to the first base, man. Right. So from the bullpen, or if not the bullpen, from down the dugout, the main manager was signaling to the coach. Yes.

Starting point is 00:30:41 I mean, I'm just trying to like, logistically see out. Yeah, I mean, I'm not 100% sure how this played out, but this is how I would do it if we were cheating this way. As you have somebody who's way far on the stands or in the bull pin, which the bull pin and a lot of stadiums are back in the outfield. I don't really pay attention to that. He's, yeah, you don't see that. And they've got some super telescopic freaking camera that's shooting on the catcher.

Starting point is 00:31:02 As soon as he gets it, there's a phone inside the bullpen, always. So he's probably fastball. Yeah, yeah, fastball. The coach probably sends over to that. Now, how do they, that's insane to me. Now, how do they get caught? How do they get caught on this?

Starting point is 00:31:15 How would you find the camera? Well, I don't think it's as far as finding the camera. I think it just becomes obvious when the batters are so savvy to all the fucking pitches that are coming, like they knew. It's like when you're at that sport has been cheated like the most out of any other sport. You know, they're just based on like the materials of the ball, the bats, you know, like what the picture does

Starting point is 00:31:35 when he grabs some tar or something else saying, as it go, right, if you're not cheating, you're not trying. You know, they come from baseball? I don't know. I'm pretty sure baseball is responsible. Who is that one? The most cheating. Who is the one baseball player?

Starting point is 00:31:48 It was 1970, I think it was, and he hit, he did, it was only no hitter. He's a pitcher, but he showed up high on acid. On acid. Doc Rivers or Doc Oh, God, what's his name? Doc Johnson. Oh, something like that. Play for the Metz.

Starting point is 00:32:03 I know you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The famous story. It's a, the Metz. It know you're talking about. Yeah, he, he, the famous story. It's the Matt's not Doc Reaver's Darrell, uh, strawberry. Doug, I'm, uh, yeah, you can look it up like Doc Ellis, Doc Ellis, that drug is going through there. So he, so I read that story a long time ago. So apparently, well, back in the 70s, my gosh, if you read about baseball players, it was like, let's see who can play the most fucked up. It was like a thing. But apparently he was one of the worst on the team

Starting point is 00:32:26 and he went and partied and was doing math and dropping acid. And he had a game the next day, but he lost track of time because he didn't go to sleep. He stayed up for 36 hours. And one of his buddies like, dude, you're gonna miss your game. He's like, I just took two hits of acid.

Starting point is 00:32:42 So he went to the game and pitched a no hitter. Okay. Pitch a no hitter, I was fucked. That's acid. So he went to the game and pitched a no hitter. Pitched a no hitter, I was fucked. Oh, that's it. That's so fun. Justin, I've been meaning to ask you. And I know we've been holding this conversation for the podcast. I really want to know how your improv class went. Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, I started that.

Starting point is 00:32:59 That was a big thing for me for this year. Like, I was just like, you know what? I want to do something that's totally outside of the norm and something that I feel like will just help conversational skills and things that I've always been trying to kind of improve. And you guys have helped me a lot with it, just being on the podcast and jabbing at me and shit

Starting point is 00:33:17 and put me on the spot. I'm giving you props, you know, I might be backhanded, but you're welcome. Yeah, I appreciate it. We'll keep up the bolt bullying. Keep the bullying happening, man. Make me better as a human being. So yeah, I started it and I had no idea what to expect.

Starting point is 00:33:35 I mean, Doug kind of told me a little bit. He did it before. It's called Comedy Sports. And it's down here in San Jose. And so it's like Monday nights, I go down there and I show up and there's like 25 people and It's so funny because I was just like I'm not gonna know anybody's gonna be gray. I'm gonna do my thing of course Somebody in the class like knows mind pump and recognizing me immediately Yeah, now that make you more nervous or less nervous

Starting point is 00:34:05 It made me kind of like, I was like, oh man, you know, like I just, I wanted to be anonymous, you know? Like this is me kind of like acting a fool and starting over and trying to be humble and like just like absorb, you know, and like trying to like learn all the techniques and how random. Yeah, it's even a big class, is it? No, I mean 25 people. Yeah. So, I want to a big class, is it? No, I mean, 25 people. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:34:25 So I wanna know about the exercises. Yeah, so you know what, it sounds really silly to talk about because it's like, you have to like just, you basically have to conform and be like, okay, I'm doing this, everybody's doing this, I'm doing this, you know, this is really silly. But I mean, what's great about it is bigger groups of people,

Starting point is 00:34:43 like you can see how like everybody can get into group flow really quickly. Because like everybody's moving, everybody has to, you know, try and concentrate on these commands that throws your brain off. Like the whole thing is to like disrupt the way you think. And so like a lot of it was, okay, the first thing that we did, we were just walking in patterns and we're just trying to create our own patterns and weaving in and out of everybody.

Starting point is 00:35:08 And so it's like you kind of have to like, bump into everybody and like do your thing. And then he's like, okay, basically, I want you to walk. So it's almost like red light green lights. Like I want you to walk when I say stop. And so you have to, when you say stop, you walk, when you say walk, you know, you stop. Oh, well.

Starting point is 00:35:26 And so that was the first of it. And then, it's not, how hard was that for most people? It was hard. It was hard for a lot of people who were fucking up. And then, but then it got, it kept going on top of that. It's like, you know, you had to hop. So when you said hop, you had to clap. And then when you clap, when you said hop,

Starting point is 00:35:44 you had to, wait, I said fuck that. Yeah. And then when you said clap, you had to hop. So it's like the reverse of all that. And then you're doing all these things, and trying to figure it out on the fly. That's actually brilliant because it makes you quick, and you have to be present.

Starting point is 00:36:01 And you get out of your mind like trying to rationalize and analyze, you're really trying to be there, and try to train yourself to get out of, you get out of your mind, like trying to rationalize and analyze, you're just, you're really trying to be there and try to train yourself to react. Yeah, figure it out. So there was a lot of cool drills like that. And like, even, okay, me and you, like, one to one here. So, like, you're gonna count,

Starting point is 00:36:15 we're gonna count to three together. So there's, it's always gonna change. So I go one, you go two. I go three, you go one. Uh-huh, one, two, three, one, two, three, one, two, three, one. Okay. Right? So you see how it goes and you get faster and faster and faster and faster and faster.

Starting point is 00:36:33 So you just see how much you can progress with things like that. So you're just, you're just reacting. You know. So anyway, I found it very valuable. Now, are you, what are you doing it for in particular as a to improve your skills when we do video, podcast, or just for the enjoyment of it? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:36:52 You know what, like, for the enjoyment of it first, but honestly, I feel like it'll help sharpen my skills if we ever do any more live events and things where, cause the thing is we're out there kind of reacting to people asking us questions and we're out there on the spot. And I've always had a little bit of reserve for that, but my whole thing this year is just to like get out in front of that and put myself out there and be less like, you know, reserved about it. I just want to like react. I want to say something

Starting point is 00:37:21 and then deal with it later. So I've actually been told by several people that those are valuable classes. If you want to learn how to present and communicate to people or to groups, to do those types of things, I've been told by several people that I trust. Now, you do all these exercises and then is there something that you do afterwards to see if it like, can you can tell that it warms you up or you just do as it, is it just straight training? Yeah, well, I mean, this is the first class. So it's, it's gonna become like more, like he's establishing like the rituals,

Starting point is 00:37:52 the patterns of like how we're gonna warm up, you know, like stretching wise, like you deal these weird kind of stretches and then ways that you're, you're doing these tongue twisters and so you have to say certain words, you know, the whole unique, you knew York, you know, that kind of stuff, but there's levels of that. And so like you work your way up to 10 different sayings, and so we got up to five, and then we're gonna keep adding to that every time, and then at the end, it's really, really good for group. So if I had a company, I would definitely have them

Starting point is 00:38:25 go through this because it's like you connect much better with other people. Do you guys remember that show? Who's line is it anyway? Yeah, that was improv. And it was hilarious. I used to love that. Yeah, me too.

Starting point is 00:38:37 I've always loved that kind of stuff. And you got into the history of it and how it is related somewhat to second city. It's related somewhat to Saturday Night Live. It's this chicken-fried theater, like all these different, like theater, you know, that was out there that people just created to kind of make a sport out of the improv side of it. So, I think it's extremely valuable. That would be so difficult for me.

Starting point is 00:39:07 So it would be so hard for me. Doug, when you were doing this, or what were your intentions? Obviously, you weren't doing what we're doing right now. So when you were doing this well before Justin, what were your intentions? Well, I enjoyed doing it. Number one, but some of my motivation was exactly

Starting point is 00:39:23 the same as Justin's was just to get outside of myself, get out of my head, start reacting rather than just thinking too much about what I'm gonna say and what I'm gonna do. And that was very valuable. And I ended up performing for the comedy sports group on their main stage, therefore, about a year and a half or two years. But what happened though was,

Starting point is 00:39:45 Mind Pump got so busy for me, I had to stop doing it. Oh, so it was around, you were still kind of doing it when we all first met. When we first started, I was still performing. Oh no, shit, I didn't even know that. I did not know that. I know, that's great.

Starting point is 00:39:57 So I just went to a show here recently, maybe about a month ago with Brianna and, boy, I just kind of got the desire to go back up there again. You know, you know, Shobby's coming to town next weekend, not this weekend, but the following weekend. He's here. Who? Sweet. British. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was texting him yesterday. Um, and he wanted to, we were talking about days. He's Friday, Saturday, Sunday. He's here. I know he's held a busy, but I'm okay. If you want to come pop, pop on the show, and he said Saturday, but the only thing was Saturdays, I think that's when I take off the Tahoe. So, I don't know if we're gonna link up with him or not, but if you guys are in town, you should go stop and go see him. Well, speaking of comedy, how'd you guys like that,

Starting point is 00:40:33 the whole Golden Globes? Oh, we did, we talked about that already. What's his name? He actually. Yeah, wasn't that great? See the backlash that's happening? How people are pissed off about that? Really?

Starting point is 00:40:41 Cause I saw nothing but love for the most part. Oh, there were some people that were a little bit angry. And the golden globes, I don't know if you guys need this, by the way, their meals were 100% vegan. She has none of that. No, I didn't know that. 100% vegan. That's obnoxious.

Starting point is 00:40:54 Meals, yeah. It's the most virtue signaling group of people I could possibly think of. I can't think of a group that cares more about what people think about them and wants to show them more than them at the Golden Globes. Yeah, I look how self-righteous I am. Yeah, but yeah, they did the whole, the whole mid-dinner was, was vegan.

Starting point is 00:41:10 I was disappointed that Miss Mazzell didn't get, uh, uh, didn't win. I know they were nominated, but they didn't win. Uh, I saw that a show that I'm not even familiar with, Fleabag one. Um, I, I don't know if you guys know what to show that. Courtney watches that. She says it's really funny. Really? So the morning show crushed, which I said that was a phenomenal show.

Starting point is 00:41:30 I love that show. I know loudest voices did really good, genoble. I know one. We said that was really good. Unbelievable has been one that I tried to get you guys to watch too. What's that one? That's the rape story. It's a true story.

Starting point is 00:41:42 It's a docu-series. I know it's on this girl that, that was raped. And basically they didn't believe her. And it's a really crazy sad story. But the way they tell it's really good. Like it's a, and it comes, it ends well. So it's a good story. But it was well done.

Starting point is 00:42:00 Big little lies. I've seen that. That was really good. That's a really good show. Yeah. You watch that. I watched the whole thing. The one you guys haven't seen that I was trying to tell Doug to watch is the the Kaminsky method with Michael Douglas. That's real and talk about like now. Where what is that?

Starting point is 00:42:11 What channel was that on HBO Netflix Netflix? Yeah, yeah, that's really a lot of stream. Obviously that that was like part of the guys jokes. I think that's the funny part. Everything is on the streaming networks. You know, that's right. That's right. It's not network TV or the Hollywood.

Starting point is 00:42:25 Did Joker not win an award? Did they not win the award? No, but JoJo Rabbit did. Oh good, which is good, because I didn't it. Or mine or mine. I don't know, they may have. They were nominated for sure. You know, once upon a time in Hollywood,

Starting point is 00:42:39 I heard that was terrible. So did I, I don't watch it. Well, now I want to watch it, because it won. It was artsy, dude. I mean, did you make it through? I watched the whole thing, but I was just like, I get why the artsy people liked it, you know, because it's different.

Starting point is 00:42:54 Yeah, it's different. It was a spin on an event that happened and it had really good dialogue, but like, it was just, there was no, I mean, if you're in it for things to happen, it's just like, you just watch, like barely anything happen and it's just, there was no, I mean, if you're in it for things to happen, it's just like you just watch, like barely anything happen and it's just boring. Yeah. Oh, did you guys, I wanted to bring this out.

Starting point is 00:43:11 I think this is hilarious. I wanna hear what your theories are. So the Pentagon warns military, I'm gonna read the title of this article. Pentagon warns military personnel against at-home DNA tests. So the Pentagon's like, hey, military people, don't do these at-home DNA tests. So the Pentagon's like, hey, military people, don't do these at-home DNA tests. Why do you guys think that?

Starting point is 00:43:29 What do you mean the truth? Now their motivation, what they say is, that the tests, they could scare you because they tell you you may have a genetic issue when you may not. More big data collection. You don't wanna know all that, yeah. They didn't even say that.

Starting point is 00:43:43 It was mainly just, hey, don't do it because it could influence how you feel if you figure certain things out or whatever. I have a different theory. What's yours? I'm here. Cause I don't have, I'm lost for one here. The, there is a huge, this is a problem in the military

Starting point is 00:43:56 where men and women go off to serve and their spouses at home cheat on them. And they come back and then they get pregnant. Oh my God, you think because of that? I think they don't want to find babies all over the place. I think they don't want to do DNA stuff because they're gonna be like, Oh shit, your Tom's got four kids in the West Virginia.

Starting point is 00:44:15 Oh, yes, wow. That's what I think. Wow. I think they don't want because that's a big problem. It's a lot of people don't talk about that, but there's a big issue. It's kind of like the thing that gets swept on the rug, that you know, you guys that are away, right, on bases or over cross-sea or whatever like that for

Starting point is 00:44:29 four months at a time, and it's kind of like, yeah, when they go to these small towns, or like, that that happens all the time. Yeah, that's what I think. I think, I think, So when I read that, I was cracking up, I'm like, you guys just don't want to be, you know, I'm more problems. What's statistically speaking, what is it? Do you know what the rates are on infidelity in the military?

Starting point is 00:44:43 It's supposedly high. I don't know. I think I heard firefighters are the highest. Really? Yeah, as far as professions are concerned. Never that. Be it an interesting stat for you to maybe try and find Doug, because I could be totally talking

Starting point is 00:44:54 out the side of my neck and have no idea. Right. But there used to be an old, was that the saying goes, firefighters cheat cops beat. Wow. It's terrible. Yeah, well, I mean, statistically, that's why I'm in fuck.

Starting point is 00:45:06 I mean, that's what it used to say that the statistics on that were really high. I don't know if this is true anymore, and I'm sure I just defended all kinds of firefighters and cops, you know, that are fucking good men, you know, and women, so I'm not trying to touch it or anything. So Doug just pulled something up and said, the gym had those same statistics there.

Starting point is 00:45:22 Oh, here we go, right there. Here were the top 12 careers for infidelity from a survey. So men, social work for women, politics, men at what? So agriculture, arts and entertainment, legal education and then the trades. Wow, men and educators. So teachers. Really?

Starting point is 00:45:39 Wow. That's kind of, or professors. Same difference. Well, you say teachers. He's that sounds terrible That's seventh grade teachers I mean you can be a seventh grade teacher and you can be fucking a college student Who's the lord medicine is the top field for female Infidel, so it used to be a medicine gyms and fire fighters. That's what I don't see gyms up there at all And see that that can't be right because train that I read another article on trainer that's what I don't see gyms up there at all. And see that can't be right. Cause I read another article on trainers,

Starting point is 00:46:06 like trainers in fidelity. We have the article, has a picture of Bill Clinton. That's sort of a good thing. Yeah, politicians probably win for sure, right? All politicians have to win. That's all coming out. And entertainment, I would think,

Starting point is 00:46:19 okay, okay, so I'm not thinking about entertainment either, so I could see how that would be massive. But I saw, I remember I read an article on trainers and it was like some crazy number, like 70% of trainers have slept with their clients. I've heard that too. Now I've trained a lot of trainers and I definitely know a lot of trainers too.

Starting point is 00:46:37 I would agree with that. Who cheated. Now that being said, there's a little bit of a, they're young, a lot of them are young, not very many, even more married. So a lot of them were cheating, but they weren't but more married, so a lot of them are cheating, but they weren't married. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:46:47 Although the people they were cheating with were probably married. Yeah, right. So how does that, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know, I'm trying to fend train. I'm just trying to, yeah, yeah, yeah. I imagine actors, because you know, you're in these roles, you're like making physical,

Starting point is 00:46:59 like you're kissing scenes, you're doing sex scenes, all this stuff. Yeah, you're already there, right? You're already there. You're never saying, what's this, you know, outside of work. Tell your mom, your wife, you're practicing. Yeah, like how do you deal with badgers as well? I'm just singing an upcoming scene.

Starting point is 00:47:12 Now, and now let's, okay, here comes a scene where you guys have a dirty sex. You're gonna make it look real. Oh, we gotta, cut, we gotta take that again, cut, we gotta take that again. Honey, you know a little method actor. Yeah, method actor. That's terrible.

Starting point is 00:47:26 Oh, dude, I gotta tell you guys about this. The experiment I'm gonna do on my kids. Whoa, it's that. So, in my kids, sometimes it pissed me off so bad. So, we're working with Magic Spoon, right? So, for the listeners who don't know, Magic Spoon is a company that makes it, cereals, like kids cereals.

Starting point is 00:47:42 So, like, that's me. Kid inspired, yeah. That's your house. Like fruity, fruity flavors, or, you know, like kid cereals, so like, that's me. Kid-inspired cereals. Yeah, like fruity, fruity flavors, or, you know, cinamintose crunch type flavors, and the box looks like it's a kid's there, and it legit tastes like a kid's cereal. It's amazing, and the macros are ridiculous.

Starting point is 00:47:55 They are super good. Oh, like a super high protein. Like, you could have as easily you can do a serving, not including the milk, that'll give you 36. Yeah, I don't know how they do it. Yeah, so anyway, so I get a box of it and I go to give it to my kids. Now the problem is,

Starting point is 00:48:09 you don't feed your kids cereal on a regular basis and I don't give them this kind of cereal. So my kids automatically, they're suspicious. What's this? Why are you allowing this dad? Yeah, why are you giving this cereal? I'm like, oh, just try it out. It's a healthier version, fucked up already.

Starting point is 00:48:23 Already fucked up. Oh man, so you said healthier. Yeah, dude, so now my kids I'm like, oh, just try it out. It's a healthier version. Fucked up already. Already fucked up. Oh, man. So you said healthier. Yeah, dude. So now my kids are just like, yes, and I've done this before. So I'm gonna trick them. Well, hold on. So I've done this before with my kids because like my kids are, they're also food snobs when it comes to Italian food. So if I give my kids lasagna or pizza that's not made by their grandma or

Starting point is 00:48:44 their mom or somebody I ruined. It doesn't matter how delicious it is. This is not lasagna. This is not a card bar. So yeah, now, so what I've learned to do is if I make a different kind of pizza I don't call it that you know I'll say oh do you wish like some cheese bread or something weird like that and then delete it. So I fucked up already they tried it. I know they liked it because I can tell but they're all like well I don't want healthy cereal whatever you know. So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna buy a box of shitty, crappy kids cereal, you know, the, the, the, the, high sugar low protein, name brand one.

Starting point is 00:49:10 Yeah, like garbage, like fruit loops or whatever. Yeah. I'm gonna empty the bag out. I'm gonna fill it up with magic. Oh, I like that. Then I'm gonna have a meat it. And then after they eat it, I'm gonna film it and I want them all.

Starting point is 00:49:19 Oh, this is so good. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm surprised I'm on the fuck up. You're eating healthy cereal. I'm catching. You've been popped. I love that idea. You see what happens.

Starting point is 00:49:30 You know, your kids just in her... Oh, they love it. They don't care. No, they're all about it. And again, I used to allow, for them to pick out cereals when we go on vacation and so we go down the aisles and you'd see them grabbing the Reese's and the fruit loops or whatever it was for the week and you know that was one of those things where okay I'm just going to replace that and put the magic spoon out there instead and they totally adopted it so I don't know they probably have a

Starting point is 00:49:58 palette for it. Well I mean, again if I didn't mess up with the introduction there's no way my kids would have known the difference. No way. The fruity ones. I didn't call it healthy. The fruity ones are, to me, they're all good, but the fruit ones would be hard to tell.

Starting point is 00:50:13 I would challenge someone to do a test where they put through the fruity is the best. Yeah, what trips me out about it is that when they first sent us a sample and we tasted it, I'm like, oh, this is a miracle of modern scientific engineering. I know. I thought for sure, when I looked at the ingredients, there was gonna be all kinds of exotic chemicals

Starting point is 00:50:32 and shit to make this high protein, low sugar, low carb, you know, cereal that tastes like kid's zero, but Adam, hand me the box. I'm gonna read the ingredients because this is the thing that tripped me out. So I look at the side of it. Just full of scientific. Oh, it's not. it's a protein blend.

Starting point is 00:50:47 So it's milk protein isolate, way protein isolate, coconut oil, tapioca flour. They're sweetened by monk fruit and stevia, chiquiri root fiber, cocoa powder. This is the chocolate one, and salt. That's it. So either they're lying. Yeah, I don't know how they're doing it, but anyway, so it's good stuff. No, it's amazing

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Starting point is 00:51:44 How do you cut without ruining your metabolism? You know, when people say things, I know, I know. It's good though, though, so we can address it, because I don't wanna be a part of that, your metabolism broken, or your metabolism in cells, I've heard cells say this,

Starting point is 00:52:01 I always have to have reverse how I'm eating. It's doing what you want it to do. It's actually a help, it's a sign of a healthy metabolism. Right, it's responding. It's adapting. Yeah, it's adapting. It's responding to what you're doing.

Starting point is 00:52:11 Now, the problem is that just most people approach weight loss wrong and so they just really, they put themselves in a less advantageous place. You know, they go into the new year, they want to lose, you know, 15 or 20 pounds and the first thing that they do, and they come off of not exercising, eating like garbage, and they go in the new year and it's like, boom, I'm going to have two salads a day and a meal of chicken breast and broccoli and rice, and that's it. And then I'm going to fucking go to the gym for

Starting point is 00:52:39 an hour, run on the treadmill for a half hour, lift weight, and go to my favorite class of circuit training. And what happens is you give the body way less calories than what it was just used to. You start pushing it and trying to put out more energy. And all the metabolism does is it becomes efficient. It goes, oh wow, she or he is not going to feed me very many calories. And they're gonna push me.

Starting point is 00:53:03 I need to really slow down and conserve energy because I don't know if I'm gonna be getting my ass kicked like this every single day and only fed this. And so your metabolism was doing exactly what you told me. It's called metabolic adaptation. And again, just like Adam said, this process evolved for thousands of years where humans, we went for long periods of time

Starting point is 00:53:26 without food. We needed to move a lot. For most of human history, life was pretty damn, especially in comparison to modern life, it was very active. If you wanted water, there wasn't a faucet right there. You had to walk to get the water and then bring it back. If you wanted food, you had to kill it or pick it and find it, you had to cook it or crush it so you could digest it. You didn't sit very often. You probably sat at the end of the day, maybe around a fire.

Starting point is 00:53:54 So you were active and food was scarce. And so we evolved to have these metabolism's that learned how to be very efficient, which is a very, this is a good thing. There's nothing necessarily wrong with this. The only problem is today we live in a completely different environment. We live in an environment where food is extremely available

Starting point is 00:54:14 and it's hyper-palatable. You could have pretty much any type of food you want available to you at a very, very low cost and you can have it available to you in a very short period of time. Now we're at the point, in fact, very low cost and you can have it available to you in a very short per time. Now we're at the point, in fact, you could order whatever you want. Not even have to get up, it comes right to your door and boom, you've got a delicious high calorie meal and low activity or whatever. So we live in an environment now where we want a metabolism where it becomes beneficial to have a fast metabolism.

Starting point is 00:54:41 In the past, again, for most of you, humans in history, it was advantageous to have a slower, more efficient thrifty metabolism. Well, today, that's the opposite. If you have an efficient metabolism, you're more likely to gain more weight, and you can't eat as much and get away with it. So, how do we deal with this? What do we do? Well, there's a couple strategies. One, when you reduce your calories, don't do it so dramatically for so long. So you don't want to do a dramatic cut for for too too long. If you were to answer this very like simplistically, that would be it, right? Don't go for too long and too hard. That's number one. Number two, though, this is

Starting point is 00:55:18 an important one, is you have to send a counter signal. You have to send a signal to the body that says, Hey, we need to, we need to do things that prioritize a faster signal. You have to send a signal to the body that says, hey, we need to do things that prioritize a faster metabolism. Now, it's an indirect effect, but what you're essentially doing when you work out, if you do it properly, is you're telling the body, I need strength and muscle. When you're sending a signal to build strength and muscle, the side effect of that is a hotter, faster metabolism, because in order to get stronger, you have to build more muscle and more muscle burns,

Starting point is 00:55:50 more calories. So your body's getting the signal that says, hey, calories low, however, we need lots of strength. So what ends up happening when you lift weights properly while you're cutting your calories get leaner is you either A, get a metabolism that doesn't adapt quite as much. It doesn't slow down quite as much because you need to build muscle.

Starting point is 00:56:08 Or B, if you do it really well, you actually can do the opposite and cause a speed up in the metabolism. But that also requires you not cutting your calories so much. In fact, sometimes you want to bump them a little bit first with the muscle building to give yourself a fast metabolism. Or run a mini cut followed by a mini bulk, right? So don't stay like to your point of not staying in a cut very long, which, you know, for me, that means nowhere longer between somewhere between two and six weeks, six being very long,

Starting point is 00:56:36 two being pretty short. So somewhere I like to fall in between that, I'm going to interrupt that cut with at least a one week surplus or at least caloric maintenance week. So if you are somebody who's trying to reduce body fat and you figure out that your body stays the same at about 2,000 calories and so you start eating, you know, 1,700 calories a day to lose weight. You've been doing that for about three weeks, four weeks or so. You feel like progress is stalled.

Starting point is 00:57:04 Then what I'm going to do is I'm going to put you on a diet for the next week. That's more like 2,000 to 2,200 calories every single day for a good solid week and we're going to focus a lot on trying to build strength during that time and then come back again to the cut and maybe less dramatic, right? So you come from 2,200, maybe you can have dropped down to 18 or 1900. And ultimately, my goal is really, can I lean you out while I also slowly teach your body to be able to eat more calories? I mean, that's why no matter what your goal is, whether it's trying to build or

Starting point is 00:57:35 to lose body fat, I start everybody in a, you know, at least a calorie maintenance. Like if I, if I assess your diet, even if it's bad, right, bad food, you know, high calorie, you know, empty calorie type foods, alcohol, fast food, things that are ideal for us. And I see that you're eating 3,000 calories and your goal is to lose 15 pounds. I'm not going to start you on your diet at 25 or 20, I'm sorry, at 3,000 calories.

Starting point is 00:57:59 But I'm going to just change around the foods that you're eating. I'm going to give you more nutrient dense foods, but keep your calories the same, and introduce exercise, that alone should sit a signal to the body to build muscle and get leaner, and my real goal is actually to increase calories to help speed the metabolism up. Yeah, remember this, it honestly was not that long ago,

Starting point is 00:58:20 it was a blink of an eye when you look at all the amount of time that modern humans have been around on Earth. It wasn't that long ago that we suffered from the effects of not having two little calories. Humans died and there was lots of malnutrition. There's the two of the biggest killers of humans was we just didn't have enough. And so our bodies evolved to adapt to that.

Starting point is 00:58:45 Now today is a very different time. Today in modern societies, very few people die from not having enough calories. Far more people, far more. In fact, the largest killer, the number one killer of people in modern societies is because they have too much. So a great buffer against that is to develop and build a body that can burn those calories off.

Starting point is 00:59:06 You know, it's interesting when you look at the studies on carbs, fats, saturated fats, sugar. It's really interesting. In the context of a low calorie diet, you could get away with a lot. In the context of a high calorie diet, lots of saturated fat becomes bad for a lot of people. Lots of sugar becomes bad for a lot of people. Lots of sugar becomes bad for a lot of people. When your calories are low, or when you're burning more than you're eating, or burning as much as you're eating, I should say, rather than low calories,

Starting point is 00:59:33 those things don't become so much of a problem. A faster metabolism in today's day and age is a phenomenal buffer against that, which is why the most, the number one way you should be exercising today, if you live in the modern world. Now, if you're a hunter gather, this may not apply to you, but I'm sure if you listen to this podcast, you're probably not a hunter gather, otherwise you'd be a weird one with

Starting point is 00:59:53 the cell phone in a podcast access. You need to lift weights, go to the gym and get stronger. Here's the other thing, with diet, high protein diets tend to even when people do the hard cut and do lots of cardio, high protein diets also seem to contribute to a better in terms of modern life adaptation of the metabolism. So, it doesn't necessarily slow down as much. And it's probably because of there's an indirect effect. High protein diets tend to preserve more muscle and build more muscle.

Starting point is 01:00:23 So there you go. So again, the ruined metabolism, you know, I know we use that term in the past to kind of illustrate our point. It's not a broken metabolism. It's doing exactly what it wants to do, but because you live in the modern world, you want to be lean and you want to be able to enjoy the food around us.

Starting point is 01:00:38 We want to advantage it. We want to fast metabolism. Next question is from Shannon Schifte. What can I do about risk pain? My risks always hurt after certain lifts such as front squats. Is there a way to strengthen my risks or is it a mobility issue? You know, I went through a period of time and I know Justin, you did a lot of stuff on this too because you do a lot of front squats with that from Rampers and Risk. Yeah, basically. bays a big risk. Lots of Resting.

Starting point is 01:01:05 I did this for a while because I went through a period of time where I was trying to be able to do lots and lots of pushups. I had read a book. I can't remember the name of the book, but it was like a fitness for martial arts book and pushups have always been big in martial arts. And the problem when I did a lot of pushups is, I noticed I had to switch to, to like, so those handles where my hands were in a neutral position,

Starting point is 01:01:28 because if I just put my hands flat on the floor, it would start to hurt my wrist. And I thought, oh, I just, I'm just gonna use these handles all the time. Then I read this article that talked about how to prevent that. And what the guy in the article said was, as he said, when you do pushups on the ground,

Starting point is 01:01:43 grip the floor. So now you can't grip the floor, obviously, I when you do push-ups on the ground, grip the floor. Now you can't grip the floor, obviously. I'm not actually taking a grip of the floor, but what I was doing is I was just activating my fingers and the muscles of my forearms. I noticed my wrist pain went away and I didn't really think much of it. Later on as I was training clients and I would teach them this, I realized why this helped alleviate pain. It wasn't because I was grabbing the floor, it was because...

Starting point is 01:02:08 Taking some of the pressure off the joint. That's it. Yeah, because when I'm in a... When you're... When you're in a position where... You're relaxed, you're putting all the stress on the joint. That's the ligaments of the joint that are supporting me. It's not the muscle.

Starting point is 01:02:19 So when you want to work on any kind of mobility, especially wrist mobility, you want your muscles to be able to support you in various positions, you don't want your joint. Yeah, you have to, that's a great illustration. I mean, you think of that when you're squatting, you don't want to rest, you know, all that force, like down there in the hips and, you know, put that kind of pressure there. It's the same thing with the wrists and, yeah, that, I mean, that's a great way to look at it.

Starting point is 01:02:44 I still also grip, you know, use towels and things to really help enhance those muscles and ligaments to respond and get them to strengthen by using various techniques. Even with the fist doing pushups on my fist and then really squeezing a tight, tight fist as I was doing pushups, it's just really about getting them to respond and create more recruitment there to help distribute that force out. You want a great way to work on, because this guy, this or this girl,

Starting point is 01:03:15 sorry, said the front squats bother them. So first off, you can change your grip on a front squat so you can do the body builder style, hands cross, but of course that doesn't address the actual issue that's just replacing it. In the meantime, you want to be able to activate the muscles of your forearms while they're in that flexed front rack position. So, what I just said with the pushups is actually a great way to do that.

Starting point is 01:03:40 When you get on the floor, don't you don't need to do a push up, just get in a plank position. And then while you're in that position, try to grab the floor, spread your fingers and grab the floor so that you can activate those muscles and practice holding that position, create tension there. Then when you get into the front rack position, do the same thing, hands underneath the barbell, rather than resting in that position, activate your hands a little bit, as if you're trying to lift the barbell up. Yeah, into and I know this is a little bit outside of what form your wrist is going to be in,

Starting point is 01:04:09 but to also apply towels like for me to train in that position in a front-loaded squat, I would put two different small hand towels, and I would actually grip it in a neutral position, and I would squeeze and lift my elbows up. So that way, yeah, I was connecting to that a little bit more, but then work my way closer and closer to the bar to where I could actually then start to get my fingers underneath the bar and allow that to happen. So a little by little, you're right. A little bit closer down the towel. Yes.

Starting point is 01:04:40 We did a YouTube video on that. We did a regression to the front squats. Oh, we did. Oh, yeah. And we used a towel. Great. You know, one of my favorite wrist mobility and hand mobility movements that I never really used a lot of, but we put in our maps. Ice buckets.

Starting point is 01:04:51 Yeah. OCR part. Yeah. The only thing I was going to add to everything you guys said is I'm surprised neither one of you said anything about it was the rice buckets. I think that's, that was a game changer for my clients that Carpool Tunnel had any sort of forehand. I wish I had known that.

Starting point is 01:05:03 I didn't use it beforehand. I started using it. I was like, oh my God, I could totally feel everything get connected in response. It's an old martial art method of strengthening the fingers, hands, and the wrist. So here's what you do. It's super simple.

Starting point is 01:05:17 You get yourself a bucket, fill it up with rice, stick your hand inside the rice, and then move your hand and your fingers through full ranges of motion, flexing, extended, open the fingers close, and just practice moving, and it's harder than it sounds because obviously the rice provides resistance, which is right now, you're strengthening

Starting point is 01:05:35 all the different ranges of motion, great mobility exercise. Next question is from Sugar Shane. Should you train powerlifting, performance, bodybuilding, and corrective in the same session? You know what, this reminds me of a DM that I want to address publicly because I know this happens to us and Crossway, if you're at that. We recently talked about, you know, that we recommend that people do, you know, all low reps in a phase and then transition to high reps.

Starting point is 01:06:09 So I got a DM from one of our long time listeners and he's like, you guys should have Joe Bennett on the show, which is hypertrophy coach, really like Joe, puts out a lot of really good content, good dude, respect a lot of his information. And he's like, he completely disagrees. His program has high reps and low reps and everyone. You can share them a show and talk with us. I'm like, first of all, I'm not going to bring someone in the show to argue something that I don't disagree with him. It's not that he's wrong. We're right. Or the other way around. You're really splitting hairs in arguing something like this. Like, can you do these things in a single session? When we give advice, we're always thinking

Starting point is 01:06:47 of the general population. And I'm thinking of teaching somebody the proper way to train so they can learn. And one of the best things to do is to isolate adaptations like this so a client can feel and see the response, oh, when I train, I can a powerlifting phase or I train in a strength phase and I'm lifting these types of reps,

Starting point is 01:07:10 these are the, these are the things I notice about my body. This is what I see changing, this is what I feel, and it's much easier to teach somebody that. Now, if you're an advanced person, does that mean that you can't, you know, throw high reps, low reps, or throw powerlifting with strength in there, throw mobility into all one session? Of course you can't, you know, throw high reps, low reps, or throw powerlifting with strength in there, throw mobility into all one session.

Starting point is 01:07:26 Of course you can. Yeah. And is it better or worse than doing it the way that we're telling you? You're splitting hairs on the difference. I look at it. I mean, it's very parallel on some level to MMA training. Oh, God, great point. Because it's like, yeah, you could definitely train MMA.

Starting point is 01:07:43 Like you could do it all at once, but are you gonna be that great at the skill of each one of those boxing, kickboxing, jujitsu, wrestling, are you gonna teach the proper jab mixed in within a judo throw right after that? That's ridiculous. No, 100%. So here's my two things.

Starting point is 01:08:04 First, corrective exercise you can put in, I actually recommend doing corrective exercise at the beginning of everything of every whatever you're doing we call that priming maps prime As an example of that now here's a deal the people that should that can get away with powerlifting performance bodybuilding different modalities and work out advanced Right they're advanced people to use the MMA analogy if're a beginner, you're better off taking a class that's just wrestling and learning that. Then taking a class that's just to jitsu and then taking a class that's just whatever. If you want to compete in a sport that combines powerlifting, performance, and bodybuilding all at once, then sure you can train that way. But if you're trying to improve your fitness long term, you're better off focusing on each one at a specific time for period of time, so that you can learn the skill of it.

Starting point is 01:08:48 And here's the thing, a lot of people don't consider this. There's a mentality that goes around different forms of training. It's not just exercise. When you're power lifting, there is a very different feel and mentality to how you lift. Then when you body build, yes, you're lifting weights both times, you're training the muscles both times, but when you go into power lift, you're resting for long periods,

Starting point is 01:09:10 you're trying to maximize your force and maximize your leverage. Okay, in many ways that's counter to body building. Body building, you're not trying to maximize your leverage, you're trying to feel the muscle, you're trying to squeeze it, in some cases, you're trying to minimize the leverage, you're trying to make the exercise feel even harder. That's a comp and your resting shorter

Starting point is 01:09:27 periods. That's a totally different mentality. When I go into my workout and I know I'm in a power lift, totally different mentality, I even play different music than when I'm going to go do bodybuilding. Now, I'm advanced and I could get away with doing it all in one workout, but you do this to somebody who hasn't lifted for three or four or five years. They're not going to get the same results. It's better to have to stick in a three to four week period or longer in each one of these learn the mentality, learn the skill, understand it, then move to the next one. And then over time, if you want to combine them, go for it.

Starting point is 01:09:56 And that was the point I was trying to make to this kid is I'm not going to have people on our show that are that I think are really smart fitness other fitness people that, you know, write a program a certain way and that's their philosophy. I have no intentions to bash the ring. I'm just telling you that between the three of us, you've got over 60 years of experience, training tons of people, they're trying to get in shape and the way we talk about the way we program and phase things and the way we do it, it's not like we're trying to debate the science of somebody else and how they put something

Starting point is 01:10:27 together. It's that, you know, we have found that this is one of the best ways to help people and teach people. That doesn't mean if you're, and I know the person who was mentioned, it was an advanced lifter. It's a kid who's been lifting for quite some time now. He's in good shape, understands programming pretty well. And, you know, I think he was looking for the entertainment side of listening to, you know, a

Starting point is 01:10:44 bunch of smart guys argue over whose modality. You know what ended up happening? We'd agree. Yeah, we would agree. I know Joe. Joe's a smart guy. He's a very smart guy. And if I guarantee if he's listed, he listens to what we just said right now.

Starting point is 01:10:55 He would say, oh, yeah, that makes total sense. Same way, if I'm sure if he presents why he does it the way he does it, we go, oh, yeah, that makes sense. Great. And the difference is so, you know, minor in the grand scheme of things when it comes to getting results for people that it's a silly thing to have somebody on the show, to debate something like that. And it's questions like these that people hear things that we say and then they probably

Starting point is 01:11:18 hear from some other professional or somebody else who they respect in the space and they've wrote something that probably combines everything. Oh, it's the super duper unicorn workout and you've got the power building, this, this, and this and it's all put into one and you get all the benefits of this and it's like, okay, could you do that? Sure, but when I know from my experience,

Starting point is 01:11:38 training people that there's a better approach for behavioral reasons to get them consistent, to get them to, to get them to understand and learn. But if you're a black belt in performance, training you're a black belt in bodybuilding, you're a black belt in corrective, and you're a black belt in powerlifting, bio means have fun. Fucking put them all together if you want to.

Starting point is 01:11:57 You're gonna work out a fuck you up. Next question is from Andrew Reed. There's a lot of controversy surrounding the use of multivitamins. I take one of the best greens, powders on the market, and my nutrition is fairly diverse. Is supplementing with the multivitamins necessary, and if so, when and why? So vitamins and minerals are essential. Many of them are essential, meaning you need to consume them or take some of them in order to thrive and lacking any of them can cause lots of health problems.

Starting point is 01:12:31 This is a lot of people know this, this is why multivitamins are popular, but a lot of people don't know the following. Taking too much of certain nutrients or minerals can also cause lots of problems. Here's the problem I have with the multivitamin. It's everything. You're nuking the problem. Now, when it ends up happening, a lot of times, when people who take multivitamins, is they, sure, they cover bases,

Starting point is 01:12:55 many of which they didn't need to cover in the first place. They're going in blind, they have no idea. And oftentimes, they cause, they're actually taking too much of certain nutrients because they've got this multivitamin over here, plus they eat a lot of this particular food. Then they take the supplement over here, that's also fortified. Then they use breakfast here.

Starting point is 01:13:10 You're dressing one deficiency, but you're overwhelming the body with all these other minerals and nutrients. Especially if you're a person who's taking multi-vitam, and then you're taking a bunch of other performance supplements, bars, and shakes, because most of those bars shakes in the fortified.

Starting point is 01:13:23 And everything's fortified, yeah, exactly. Inside of it. And that's what I would find. I'd find the same person who buys bars and shakes because most of those bars shakes and everything's fortified. Yeah, exactly. Inside of it. So, you're really, and that's what I would find. I'd find the same person who buys into the multivitamin is also the same person who's buying into the bars, the shakes and everything else, and they're just getting abundance of all that.

Starting point is 01:13:36 And some of that can become more as better. Yeah, and you're totally, and here's a thing, you're totally blind. So, if you want to maximize your supplement intake, especially vitamins and minerals, test them. Go get tested and see what you lack and then supplement with what you need. It'll blow your mind at how effective that is and how much of an impact that'll have on you. Taking too much of things can have negative effects. You just don't know when you just take a, again, you're nuking the problem with all these vitamins and minerals. You need to know what you need

Starting point is 01:14:09 in order to supplement properly. And then if you wanna go deeper, then you look for what foods provide those things, right? Cause that's the best. That's the ideal. The first you go, you get a test, and you find out, oh, I'm deficient on X, Y, and Z. Okay, where can I get X, Y, and Z in whole foods? And then your goal is,

Starting point is 01:14:26 how can I implement this into my lifestyle on a more regular basis? And then if I don't, I have this supplement to help me out with that. Okay, so here's a great statistic. The odds or the instances of overdosing on nutrients is astronomically more high in people who take supplements versus people who eat food. So in other words, you see far more toxicity from too much vitamin A or iron or whatever from people who take supplements. Almost it almost never happens from people who get it from food.

Starting point is 01:15:01 You can eat extremely vitamin rich foods and it's much more difficult to do that because they just don't have the concentrations and usually what balanced with fiber and other things like coming from the plant. Yes, so like here's a great example. So we know that anti-oxidants found in foods help prevent the oxidation of cells in the body. They fight free radicals. They've got all these health benefits. And so people who consume diets that are high in antioxidants have lower instances of all kinds of chronic diseases, heart disease, and cancers and that stuff.

Starting point is 01:15:34 So of course people are like, oh, antioxidants, good for me. I'm gonna buy antioxidant supplements. The antioxidant supplements cause lots of problems for lots of people. Because they're at doses that you would never find in food unnatural. And they don't contain cofactors that foods have

Starting point is 01:15:50 that actually can balance out a lot of the antioxidants. So they did studies where people who had cancer, they gave them high doses of antioxidants. They know when they ended up happening, it's strengthened the cancer. This doesn't happen when you eat foods that are high in antioxidants, for example. Or you take all these antioxidants, you slam down inflammation so much, you get

Starting point is 01:16:08 problems from that. So my point with this is a multivitamin can be very beneficial or it can be a big problem. You have no idea. Or could do nothing. Yeah, or do not. You have no idea unless you test yourself and know what nutrients you're lacking and know what you should take. you're really, it's like, it's like a, and that's why there are studies that actually show people who take multivitamins. There are some studies that show people who take multivitamins have worse health. And then there are studies that show that they have better health. That's why it's mixed. Because I think sometimes people who are taking these multis are just

Starting point is 01:16:39 overdosing their bodies with certain nutrients causing deficiencies as a result. Like too much zinc, for example, can cause a copper deficiency. Too much iron can be poisonous to the body. Too much vitamin A can be poisonous, even vitamin D and other nutrients that we know are important. Can cause calcium. For a while there, people were taking shit tons of calcium

Starting point is 01:17:00 because they were like, oh, calcium builds bones. I need to strengthen my bones, take lots of calcium, causing heart problems, because that's not really how it works. We're at versus eating foods that are high in calcium, which tends to have these bone protecting effects. So test yourself, see what nutrients you're lacking, and then go from there, would be my approach, versus taking, you know, a frickin' nuke approach

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