Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1288: The Best Way to Transition Between Workout Programs, How to Move Your Focus from Just Looking Good to Feeling Great, the Effects of Alcohol on Weight Training & More

Episode Date: May 8, 2020

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about alcohol’s effect on weight training, transitioning from MAPS Anabolic to MAPS Aesthetic, how to change focus from how you look to how you feel, and what foods are typically in their fridge and pantry. How health & fitness information/marketing has evolved over the years. (4:38) New Product Alert from Organifi! (17:50) Adam bringing back the Magnum PI look, growing pains, keeping things fresh & MORE. (19:24) Mind Pump Recommends. (26:17) Science does NOT replace philosophical wisdom. (30:50) Mind Pump breaks down the 24 Hour Fitness guidelines for reopening clubs, surviving in these strange times & MORE. (34:15) Homeschooling updates from the Mind Pump crew. (44:46) #Quah question #1 – How detrimental is alcohol on weight training? How much is too much? (49:02) #Quah question #2 – I'm about to finish MAPS Anabolic and am feeling great. I want to start MAPS Aesthetic. Should I take any time off in between? (59:27) #Quah question #3 – How do you turn your focus on how you feel instead of how you look?  (1:04:15) #Quah question #4 - If I were to open up your fridge and pantry, what would I see? What are the staples? (1:12:10) Related Links/Products Mentioned May Promotion: MAPS Starter ½ off! **Promo code “STARTER50” at checkout** Special Promotion: MAPS Anywhere ½ off!! **Code “WHITE50” at checkout** Special Promotion: NO BS 6-Pack Abs ½ off! **Promo code “NOBS50” at checkout Muscle Control and Barbell Exercise Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout** Mind Pump #1285: The Ultimate At-home Ab & Core Workout Amazon.com: Watch Upload | Prime Video Hollywood | Netflix Official Site Milton Friedman PBS Free to Choose 1980 Vol 1 of 10 Power of the Market Poll: 52% of Parents View Homeschooling More Favorably Since Coronavirus School Closures How To Drink Alcohol The Healthy Way (MAX LUGAVERE) Visit ZBiotics for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit Magic Spoon for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners!  Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer! Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned John Grimek Craig Capurso (@craigcapurso)  Instagram Mind Pump (@mindpumpmedia)  Instagram Mark Bell (@marksmellybell)  Instagram

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Saldas Defano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, we answer fitness and health questions asked by listeners like you. Now the way we go through this podcast, we actually start out with an introductory portion where we talk about current events, our lives, we mention our sponsors. After that portion, then we get into answering the fitness and health questions. So the first part was about 41 minutes.

Here's what went down in the entire episode. We started by talking about this workout book from India, from the 1920s, and there's some incredible wisdom in it and it came from somebody in our form. Really, really cool. Then I talked about Organify's new product balance. It's a probiotic packet that you add into your water and drink. Now also mentioned their other product called Move,

which is a good natural anti-inflammatory product. I like them both. Of course, Organify, one of our favorite supplement companies, all their products are organic. Here's how you get the MindPump discount. Go to organify.com, that's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com, forward slash MindPump, and use the code MindPump for 20% off all of their products.

Then we talked about the show called Upload on Amazon, and then another show called Hollywood on Netflix, apparently they're both really, really good. We talked about 24-hour fitness and some of the guidelines that they put forward as they reopen. And then we also talked about homeschooling and how parents are now having thoughts about possibly homeschooling their kids

after all of this is over. Then we got into the fitness questions. Here's the first one. This person wants to know about alcohol and how it affects weight training. Like, is it good? Is it bad? Should I drink?

Should I not drink? So we talk all about alcohol. And part of that conversation was time I had to mitigate the negative effects of alcohol. One of the strategies was to not drink right before bad. And the other one was to use a product called Zibotic. Now Zibotic is a bacteria that was actually engineered to produce an enzyme that breaks down

the negative byproducts of alcohol metabolism. So some of the negative byproducts of alcohol metabolism can cause you to feel so crappy the next day. Zibotic gets rid of that. It's actually extremely effective. We've all tested it ourselves and they are one of our sponsors. And I'm telling you this much right now, try it for yourself. Drink a little bit, have some alcohol, see how you feel the day after. No joke, this stuff is breakthrough. Okay.

It works. Now, we have a discount for you. Go to Zbiotics.com. That's ZBIOTICS.com.forth-mindpump. And you'll get 10% off their three packs, six packs, 12 packs. So you get discounts on all of their products. The next question, this person is asking about our workout programs, maps, and a ball of gun maps. It's the aesthetic wants to know how to follow both of them. So we talk all about how to follow programs one after another. And then if you don't follow the programs, we give you advice on how you can create your own programs and move from one goal to another so your body doesn't plateau. The next question, this person says, hey, how can I turn the focus from how I look to how I feel? In other words, they want to be motivated by feeling healthy, being healthy versus just

their aesthetics, the reflection, the mirror. This is a very important transition, so we give our tips on that in that part of the episode. And then the last question, this person wants to know if they opened up our fridge and pantry, what would they see? Of course they'd see food, but we got into specifics about the foods that we like. Very specific. On a regular basis. Also, there's only four days left for the 50% off no BS6 pack formula sale. So the no BS6 pack formula is in core and app workout only.

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Yeah, why? Our private forum. Sometimes I think it's annoying too. Sometimes the people are annoying. Come on man, what are you doing? There's some gems in there. But a lot of of times there's way to sell our form. I know Well, hey, by the way, it's on sale right now. Yeah, yeah, sometimes but I do I do appreciate A lot of stuff about the form and one of the things that I really really appreciate the most is that they I get introduced to

Articles and studies and stuff that I get introduced to articles and studies and stuff that I don't think I would have found, which is one of the reasons why I follow so many groups on Facebook in the first place. It's just, it's a crowd sourcing, awesome information. And somebody posted on there, and I always talk about old time strong man and old time bodybuilders and how they worked out, you know,

back in the early 1900s or even late 1800s. And just for context, one of the reasons why, and this is for the audience, you guys didn't know this, I tell you guys this all the time, one of the reasons why I find those decades and era so fascinating is because it was before steroids became widely used. They didn't have the technology we have now.

They didn't have the equipment. They didn't have the training knowledge in terms of putting it all together, but they found things that really worked. Well, what you have is you have oftentimes, and this is what I found, because I trust me. When ever since I got into this space as a kid, I have obsessively consumed information in regards to fitness and health and fat loss

and especially muscle building. I mean, in the 90s, I subscribe to Muscle and Fitness, Flex Magazine, Iron Man, Muscle Media 2000, Muscle Mag. I had books from Robert Kennedy wrote all these books. I had books from Arnold Schwarzenegger, Mike I had books from Arles Schwarzenegger. Mike Monser, I mean, I read everything. I could actually, I'll take a picture or less later and I'll post it on my story.

You can see all these old muscle building books. And you read them all and you read a lot of the same information and at some point, as I started getting older, I started saying, a lot of this information is coming from people that maybe are not a lot like me. Like, they're all genetically gifted. And I don't necessarily consider myself genetically gifted. I'm more of a classic skinny kind of ectomorph guy. But one thing they all have in common, especially because this was the 90s when I started doing this, they're

all like on a lot of anabolic steroids. Do anabolic steroids change the muscle building signal in the body? Of course, you take a lot of testosterone, you've got this loud hormonal signal telling you to build muscle. Could that potentially change your recommendations of what works and what doesn't work? And I thought it did. I thought, well, that makes a lot of sense. This was after being frustrated, by the way, for years of not seeing gains. So I went in these, I started looking for old, old, you know, muscle building wisdom. So I said to myself, I'm gonna find what they said about building muscle before steroids.

Cause those guys are more like me than the guys that I'm reading today are, right? It's pretty funny, like how parallel my pursuits were in a different direction. So it was more about the quality of movement and how they were able to figure out how to move more effectively and to produce more power and explosive ability and strength.

And so I really dove back into all these old forgotten techniques, you know, kettlebells and Indian clubs and Mace belt like think goddess and where various cultures had different techniques that they would bring in to prepare them for war and I was just very fascinated by that like how you know back how they trained how they trained that was so fascinating. Oh I love same here so I get these old books and I start reading in them and what do I read I read some counter information like all the information I was reading in the 90s and you know until I went and look back Said do body parts split routines

Hammer the crap out of your body go to failure on everything like there was all that that was all the the information that I read Well, I go back in these old books and these got like John Grimick Steve Reeves You know all you know even Eugene Sandal way back right way back before and by the like John Grimic, Steve Reeves, you know, even Eugene Sandal way back, right, way back before. And by the way, they were impressive as hell. Like, you know, John Grimic had 19, these are, these guys were mostly natural or totally natural steroids were starting to get used in the 40s and 50s, but they were using doses that were like nothing compared to what they started using later on. And the doses really started taking off in the late 60s, 70s, and then they just didn't stop, right?

So I read this stuff and I'm like, whoa, this is totally different. Let me apply this and see if it works and sure enough it does. So somebody in our forum knows I like talking about this stuff. Right. And they found a book called Muscle Control and Barbell Exercises from the 1920s from India.

Wow. So this is India, right? So I saw this on the forum and blown away by the way the guys look. I would argue they look better than the pictures I've seen of guys over here in the US in the 20s. Oh, dude. They look sick.

A lot of people don't know this. India has a deep and rich physical, old, physical fitness culture. They were the ones that trained a lot with the clubs and the kettlebells, not the kettlebells, but the May spells. God had a wrestling culture, the great Gama, I think his name was, was a wrestler from India who was undefeated for, I don't know how many thousands of matches, and you see these pictures of these heavily muscled like Indian guys with the curly mustaches and all that

stuff or whatever. So this guy posted this book and I'm looking at it and I just, and check out the first, just the first paragraph and tell me if this is not, remember this was in 1920, okay? This is the first, the very first paragraph and it's underneath the title, General Instructions. It says, always try to coax and not force your muscles to grow.

Excessive and rapid exercise is harmful. Avoid overexertion and go ahead slowly and intelligently. A few repetitions correctly performed is of more benefit than any number done in a clumsy way. I mean, how awesome. Wisdom. Is it, look at this one. Individual training is better than a class work, than class work, and a gymnasium.

I mean, isn't this incredible? This is so simple food is best. You can eat whatever you can digest. And remember that you should eat to live and not live to eat, keep your stomach easy. I mean, it's such great brilliant information just to still all the way down to the elements. Why do you think it fell out of favor

because we just assume as consumers that because time has passed that science has evolved, we're smarter today than we were in the 20s. The guys look more impressive. So there's your, you know, your example of, oh, it must have, we must know so much more, we must be so much further advanced and the information that we're getting provided here in the 70s and 80s must just be way better than what was being provided in the 20s and 30s. You think that's what it is? What caused us to for us to lose sight of that and then to buy into this? If you look at marketing, if you look at Steve Reeves and John Grimics routines that

got them to champion level bodybuilders, very strong muscular guys, if you want, pause the podcast, Google, John Grimich, take a look at his picture and tell me that's not impressive. And again, remember this was before the wide use of anabolic steroids. At most, the guy was using five milligrams of dianna ball a day, probably not, maybe natural most of his career.

And he looks incredibly impressive. Look at their routines, you know what it looks like? This is what it looks like. Three days a week, barbell squats, bench press, barbell rows, pull-ups, overhead press. So it looks basic, it doesn't look fancy, right? So I think part of it is, after a while, you wanna present like new and spectacular

and novelty, novelty, you wanna include all these machines. And then when you're on a lot of steroids, you know, here's a deal, when you lift weights, there's an anabolic signal that gets sent. There's muscle protein, we can measure this with studies now, right? We can see that muscle protein synthesis spikes after 24, at about 24 to 72 hours,

it starts to drop very quickly. But if you are on an anabolic steroids, you get a signal that stays up all the time. So you can train your chest and beat the crap out of it and train it once a week for 20 sets. And you can train your chest and beat the crap out of it and train it once a week for 20 sets. And you're okay. You're natural. You train it on Monday. Even if it's sore for the whole week, you built muscle for two days, three days maybe. And then after that, stop building muscle. Maybe started adapting in the reverse. And so now you go back to Monday,

and you're at the same place you were before. Well, and two, I think back then they were trying to put it all together for average people to even be before. Well, I think back then, they were trying to put it all together for average people to even be involved in training. I think selling them on the concept of even coming into the gym and improving yourself versus sort of involved into idol worship. Like these guys that were just genetic freaks and really took it or they may have been on Annabelle steroids, that played a factor.

Their training was totally different, but we started to put them on magazines. We started to have posters of them. And we wanted to do what they were doing, not necessarily, like, look into what was best for my own training. It's interesting, too, because, you know, it really makes me, I had a conversation yesterday with our good friend Craig, and we were talking about he was asking, you know, what is, what is mind pump considered their avatar?

I said, there was something when we first moved into the space that we recognized right away was the advertising, the marketing, and the communication that was happening from either academia or even the fitness influencer was really targeting this 1% to 5% of the people, which were not the people that we were training. So I feel like that's what kind of happened in that bodybuilding era of the steroid

era when it popped out. It's not that information is awful or wrong. It developed some champions. It developed some crazy amazing physics, but it really was speaking to a very small percentage of the population that were on anabolic steroids that were training seven days a week, double days and crazy amounts of lifting and their whole life and they were genetic freaks, right? So it's like this sliver of the of the population, but yet they are being put on these pedestals and they are getting the platform to speak to the masses on all about nutrition because

they were what everybody was idolizing as, oh, they must have all the information. So it's really interesting when you think like we still are suffering from that as an industry. We still are the people that are leading the way and speaking about health and fitness and training are still talking to this very niche group. And I think that was something that we noticed right away when we got into podcasting

was when we looked at all the other people that were speaking about it. I go, you know what? Nobody is talking to the hundreds of clients that I've tried. Those are your normal everyday people that have normal jobs and families and their number one priority isn't the gym. It's everything else in their life,

but they recognize that health and fitness is important and they're trying to find out how to integrate it and they're reading the shit in the magazines and thinking. That's the frustrating part. They come in with all this information that they've heard, but none of it applies to them. And we'd have to like take our time explaining that,

really educate them what actually would work best for them. Oh yeah, it's, you know, I was on a podcast of the day and they were asking me about hit cardio. And they're like, oh, the studies show that hit cardio burns more fat. And this and that said, well, it depends on who's doing hit. And she said, what do you mean? And I said, well, if I'm working with the overstressed,

poor sleeping out of shape, average person, hit cardio is a terrible way. Which is the majority. Which is the majority. And this was a big realization for me that really took me to the next level with my own personal training. When I realized that if you look at a scale

and on one end of the scale was the worst possible athletic muscle building genetics possible. Like you just terrible, terrible, terrible genetics. And on the other end of the scale, you had the extreme mutant muscle building freaks who you probably see a picture of them as babies and they look like little bodybuilders. Most vast majority of us are somewhere in the middle.

Very, very, very few people on the end, other ends of the spectrum. So I'll use another example, okay. Let's look at the spectrum of height. Genetics are, yes, in nutrition, definitely plays a role in how tall we get, but genetics plays a very big role as well. On one end of the spectrum, you have people

who are super, super, super tiny and super, super, super small, right? On the other end, you have people like seven feet tall. Now forget TV, forget media, forget articles you may read or NBA, walk around, just articles you may read or NBA. Walk around, just walk around every day, walk around. Think about your whole life of real life, not anything in media.

How many people have you ever seen that are seven feet tall in life, in real life, or four feet tall? Or under four feet tall in real life, right? I could literally think of a couple of people. That's how much it's took out. So you're probably, if you're listening to this podcast, you're probably not on those extremes. So you should train your body according to the advice

that works best for most people, which is what we try to communicate. And all that other extreme stuff, if you apply it to yourself, we know what's gonna end up happening. Not only are you not gonna progress, you're gonna probably regress or at worst hurt yourself. So this is the message that I think it's important to get.

I came in the other day and saw a box from Organifi with your name on it only. What the hell did you get? That justice. It's not easily. He does, no, I think he's, he's like, you know what, you guys, you can just direct it like specifically to me.

That would be great. No, they have a new product called Balance. And it's a probiotic. It's a probiotic and it comes in a powder. So you add it to your water and you drink it and I've been using it and it's good. You know, or you know if I did such a good job with their products, you know what other one that I've started using recently that I haven't consistently used in the past, have you guys tried their move?

I have. Product joint support, right? So it's like joint support and time. Was it turmeric and things like that? Yeah, so there are, there are, there are compounds and move that are, I actually have the bottle right here. Do you? I love that when I'm going back

to my one to five rep range. I tend to, I tend to use some of that to help with achiness, for sure. Yeah, so it's got turmeric, it's got arctic pine. It has astathan, xhanthin, holy basil, all which can help, which just help regulate inflammation. That's my favorite ingredient. Which one?

Holy basil! Now Doug, do you know if they're, did this replace their old probiotic, or is this in addition to, it's just another way, do you know? I think it's a replacement. Okay, so they got rid of the old probiotic, and then, and then now, so did they just move it to a powdered form?

Is that what the deal is or is it got something else in it? It's it's moved because I love taking the old one. It's also has prebiotics in there as well Which are which are like things that help feed the probiotics when you consume them So I think it's a better product. Oh, I think they improved upon the old product So that's that's the deal. That's going on. You know, I tell you what Adam, I can't start to look at you with your West, but it's a little distracting. Those are say,

I just, we were talking about genetics. I'm gonna tell you right now, dude, your mustache genetics put you at the extreme. I'm telling you, if you can grow it and then get some wax and kind of twist it a bit, like you'd be like an old-school barber, like we'll see it's strong, man. I mean, it's so full, there's no,

I can't, there's no daylight between it. And it covers your... It's pretty bushy. It covers your whole lip. Did you do that yourself or did you go see it? No, no, I did it myself. That's, I mean, I'm forced to, right? That's kind of what's been going on since I don't have,

the reason why I prefer to have my beard right now, but I have somebody who does all that that lines it all up, I can't do it myself. So you went with the stand? Yeah, I was like, I need to shave. The beard was getting just out of control. And it starts to bother me when it gets too long. You know, it starts to get itchy, get food stuck in it.

Look at mine, dude. I'm letting it go now. Yeah, it looks good though. I like Justin's look right now. I like your short hair with your short beard. It's actually the same length. And so I was like, I shaved my head and then I shaved the beard thing

and then I just let them grow together. Now, how do you work out? How do you grow? Because all of us look a little different than before. I mean, I look different too. I haven't gotten a haircut in months. So I look whatever in my beard's out of control and Justin's got his thing.

Now, how are your girls responding to the new look? Honest. At first, she was cool, but now it's kind of like, you know what, I'm looking forward to when you have hair again. She said that more clearly. Oh, really? I like the look on you right now. Yeah, she's like, I would tell you if it was stupid.

It's kind of chia pet-like right now. You know, it's in that fuzz phase, which I've never been a real fan of either because it's just kind of like a little, it turns into like a poofball. You know? No, no, no. What about you Adam?

Can you treat her to a likeset dude? She likes the stash? Well I think she likes the fantasy that she thinks she's sleeping with somebody different. Oh, that's why I think it is. Yeah, that's nice. I think that's what she feels like. You can be the stranger tonight. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

So I think that's the, the world. So I get to hook up at the pervert. You just need a solid trench coat. Yeah, I know. I remember one of those white vans the other day. Dude, you should have a good one. Magnum PI, that's your mustache. Oh yeah other day. Magnum PI, that's your mustache. Put up Magnum PI, that is your mustache right now.

So, I tell you guys, my dad won a competition. You can Hawaii, okay. So look like Magnum PI. He looks just like him. So 90% of our audience has no idea who that is. I know, it's, look it up. Magnum PI was a totally popular show on TV, I think. And he was the man.

And 90s. I sent a picture to my client friend of mine and she sent back a picture of, I guess, a famous picture of Bert Reynolds in the 70s where he's making it on a bear rug. Bro, you have a literal magnum PI must have. That was the look back from that era for sure. I'm trying to bring it back right now.

I'm trying to bring it back. If you had the chest hair, you have to lie. Not like that. You don't need a little chest curl in up over you had the chest hair, you have to like, not like that. You don't need a little chest curl enough over your shirt. Yeah, do you deal with another part of it? Yeah, I was wrestling with my son, dude. And yeah, it's, yeah, sweat's on, you know, so I'm kinda holding him down messing with him whenever

and his sweat came up a little bit. And I'm like, damn, boy, your legs are hairy. I can't get to hair on this one. I'm like, holy cow. Do you remember being a young boy though, and you couldn't wait for that to happen. I remember girls teasing me because I didn't have very much hair in my legs

when I was a kid, you know? That just reminded me of like, I wanted like, facial hair so bad for a bit because like one of my best friends, every boy done early. He got like six grade, like I was like, oh my God, and he was getting attention from girls and stuff because he looked all like mature.

So I actually like experiment. I was getting like peach fuzz and stuff, you know, and so I actually put some dirt on there. I did, I put some dirt on my, of course he did. This guy, he's a sharpie on his fucking head over. I tried it out and walked in in a bit and people saw it right through. Just to paint some Weststash out of the bit. He jumps in a pool and it's all running. It works. I grew first, so I remember out of all my cousins, I was the first one like armpit hair

and the whole deal. But then they progressed and now I am the least hairy Sicilian person, I think on earth. So you were early then. You were early with facial hair and things like that. I was late with all that. I couldn't grow a beard, a stash, and even stuff to wait. I was a weight late bloomer. Yeah. And then even when it did, it was like all blotchy. And then you know, it was the worst because it's a full beard in. Dude, it was all patching.

It was all started on my neck, which was the worst place. You know, no, no, you want to grow that out. Yeah, no beard, but all neck hair. Yeah. Well, what you do when you're younger is once it starts to come in, you're so excited that you, oh, I got some face hair, that you start doing stupid stuff, like what do they call the flavor saver? Yeah, that goes right here. I like that, dude.

Yeah, I like that. I like that. I like that. Of course, the 90s, what was the 90s facial hair thing? Is it go-t? I think I have to go-t or just the chin. I don't trail of tears. I've been this way since I was young. I don't normally have a haircut, a look that I keep

for very long. I had a buddy, I remember we were in our late 20s and he was still rocking that same bulk cut that we had when we were in eighth grade. I'm like, bro, change your fucking look. And I like to rotate through it. It just keeps it fresh. You know what I'm saying?

It keeps it fresh and different. So I'm always changing things. That's that's you guys ever dye your hair I did I did for a while now wild. Okay, so no, no, no, not like that Dude, and so I so the note the no BS program the six pack the abs workout We know we did that episode lots of people are getting it and the videos in there are of me from 2014, but I also dyed my hair. Okay, I want everybody to know that. I did not go from totally black to just, that's a mix of all of the different.

That's what makes it, I think we both look like we were fucking yellow, young, but that makes you look a lot younger because you were dyed. Because I got messages and like, oh my gosh, what happened to your hair? So I dyed it back then. I thought I was doing that to maintain it for a while, but even before that, like I would go like a little punk rock.

Like I went, yeah, I would die. It's a black, like jet black, and then also blonde and like bleach it out, but that was as far as I couldn't go like colors. That would not fly with my immigrant, you know, parents. My parents hate it. Oh, it just me. Yeah, no, I would have come home with purple hair

and my dad would have done it. I tried to mohawk, but they made me shit. I joked one time. I thought it was probably going to be funny. And I had a friend come over and my friend had pierced ears, right? And so he comes over and does some that. I could see my dad's kind of looking. He's an old Sicilian, right?

So he's kind of, but I got to say this to my parents. Very accepting. If you're a good person, they don't care. They love you. But initially, they grew up a certain way, especially my dad. Look at him, Jealous. So you walk in with, you know, colorful hair, piercings, whatever. The first thing I'm gonna say, huh? So I can see my dad looking at this dude with, you know, hoop earrings or whatever. So the kid leaves and then, you know, and my dad's like, oh, he's a nice kid. This and that. So yeah, tomorrow, he's gonna take me to the place

where he got his ears pierced. My dad looks at me And he wasn't even joking he goes if you do that I'll pull him out with pliers I'm just kidding dad I want I got to bring up so a bunch of people have been messaging me about watching the show upload so I Watched it so I love when I get recommendations. And once I get enough from people, I go, okay, I'll check it out. Definitely a, would a Doug say, like a candy show you referenced it as,

you know, it's not like, it's processed food TV. Well, it's a little bit better than that. It's better than just straight trash TV. Kind of a bit of plot to it, but yeah, it's just a fun show. Like, you know how you like the righteous gemstones? Yeah, it's kind of like, it's on, you're having a good time, because the concept is really unique,

and I thought it's really playful the way that they write it. Well, it gets, okay, so what I liked about it, and I think you would like this, because it gets my wheels spinning about what we currently do right now. It feels like it could be a potential reality. So the concept without ruining the show is, you know, it's called upload and the idea what upload is, is that you upload consciousness to a virtual heaven basically after you die. But you know, it's like upgrades inside it. Yeah, and we're not far from, we're not far from AI becoming this smart.

And I think about people like what we do right now. I mean, think about the amount of words that are out there on Google that you have written or put on, whether it be Instagram or blogs, and then the amount of words that you have recorded on podcasts and YouTube, you know, just from five years that we've been doing this, you could probably build an AI that would respond,

just like one of us three would respond to almost any question. Isn't that the thing about that? That you could do that. So if they obviously if the science was there to be able to keep your conscious alive and upload it into a database and then you have all the algorithms for how this person would answer respond, you would be able to create this kind of virtual version of them. So that's kind of the idea and I think man, that is not that far-fetched with if you have all that. It's like Sims, right? So you become this digital person and then you interact

with other digital people that used to be, you know, real people. So it's like they catch them before they die and they kind of upload them in. Yeah, I love that. The only problem with that is that even all the stuff people say, do, search, that's recorded, people oftentimes don't even know themselves well enough to put that stuff out. So the true selves of themselves may not even come out. Of course, I think that there's obviously, I gotta just destroy that. What's going on.

No, it's interesting that that's. I don't see it happening at all, but I think it's a cool process. So I give it a B minus a C plus. I mean, that's where I be. But what I'm loving right now, that I passed on it a bunch of times to watch in the last and whatever it's been up a week or two or whatever. And I finally indulged last night and really was surprised and impressed was the show Hollywood

on Netflix. Hell of good. Is it really? Hell of good. It's the series. Yeah, it Hell of good. It's the series? Yeah, it's a series. It's a Netflix series. And I forget what episode.

I went through a few of them last night and they just keep getting better. It just, and I wasn't interested in the preview. The preview didn't sell me and I was like, ah, and then after a while, the rankings up there, I see enough people saying, oh, you should check it out. I finally go watch it. And right away, the first episode,

I was like, okay, this is not what I thought it was. This is really good. So Probably one of my favorite recommendations. Okay, good. Yeah, I'll pass through it. I passed over it so many times. Yeah Yeah, check it out. I'll make sure check it. You know back to the whole uploading your consciousness This here's an interesting philosophical question, right? Let's say That you we had the technology where we could literally take your brain and copy it exactly to create to transfer Your consciousness into a digital form, right? Is that really you or is it just a perfect copy? No of you?

Well, it's not really you right not only that but that it addresses that kind of that question that you would have in the show pretty well So there's like a dad who's like who his wife has already died before this technology came out And he's not interested in being uploaded. He wants to go to what potentially could be real heaven And so his daughters like trying to convince him like dad You need to upload so I can spend the eternity with you in the virtual heaven And he ain't buying it. He's like, it's just an arrogance that we have, you know, that we can figure out like every single detail that makes up a human being, which, you know, like we've considered all the angles and all the variables and like, I just don't, I don't believe that personally. I don't think that we'll ever be able to nail down like the essence

of, you know, the soul and like what actually like makes a human being a human being. Bro, you, it's so funny that we're on this topic. I just did a post on Instagram and it's already, of course, it's causing a lot of controversy. And I put in it that anecdotes are not evidence except when they are. And I said, I trust hundreds of years of consistent human anecdote more than a single double blind placebo controlled study. Now that's connected because exactly what you're saying,

just in the arrogance that we have, now that we've got the scientific method, now that we have technology, we start to discredit all other forms of human wisdom because it's not science. And then take it a step further, we start to have this worship of science, where if a study says something works, that's unequivocal, that's true, if a study says something safe,

oh, it definitely is. And I think that's such a great topic, because science is very powerful. It's one of the most amazing tools that we've ever come across, but it does not replace philosophical wisdom, spiritual wisdom. It does not replace thousands of years of anecdote. Like if an herb has been used for thousands of years for stomach pain, that's evidence in my... Well, not only that, but science tends to do this too, where we try and isolate something,

where just the human body, the human mind, the human spirit doesn't work that way. Everything's all interconnected. So to try and isolate something to try and prove a point, you could have something prove in a study that, oh, that, no, that's not true. This does not scientifically do this. Well, what if it did something to that person on a spiritual level, on an emotional level that then changed the result of whatever reason that they're taking it or doing it? And even though the science doesn't support what the claims are that people try to make from it,

there are other aspects that it could influence because the body doesn't work this way where it isolates things like studies like to do so. But again, it highlights our arrogance where we are like, we know everything, we know, we figured it out. Oh, you you wanna be happy? Okay, we know what that is. That's a bunch of chemicals that makes it feel happy. We know what those chemicals look like. Let's just give you those chemicals, and now you're happy. And instead you get the feeling of happiness, but the lack of meaning, and then,

we know what that looks like, what drug addiction, and all that kind of stuff. So, I think this is a very important conversation. And honestly, I do think that we, it's a, it's a very important conversation. And honestly, I do think that we keep pushing towards this worship of science. We're going to learn that lesson. Well, on that note, do you think in our lifetime that we're going to see like the ability for almost everybody to have everything? Absolutely. I think in our lifetime, I think, oh, I don't know, far less. That's what I'm saying in our lifetime. Of course, I believe we're moving that way. I mean,

that's what's happening, right? We're moving in that direction that we're getting better and better 3D printers, things like that. So I question, will it happen in our lifetime or our children's lifetime where, you know, to have things that everybody works so hard to achieve and obtain will it be less of a big deal because everybody could pretty much have it? Oh, I think you will reach a point

if we can make it this far. Well, we'll have everything. And then we're going to be left with now what? And why do I still feel this way? And oh, what a scary. That is going to be a horror and a horror- And a horror- Yeah, we have to go outside of our world at that point.

It's like, you know, we always need something to shoot for. And that's just like embedded in the human experience. It's like, we want to keep pursuing something that gives us meaning, and we want to stretch ourselves, and we're always trying to build something. It's just inevitable. Have you guys been getting DMs about people that are heading back to the gym yet,

like, so the states that are starting to open up? Yes, in fact, I got an article that we're 24-hour fitness actually put out some of their guidelines like what they're going to probably open with. Now, of course, you want to consider that 24-hour fitness is a large company. So they have clubs in many different jurisdictions. But generally speaking, they're going to do touch-free check-ins. There's going to be social distancing throughout all of the gyms with spacing indicators

and more, which may mean, which probably will mean, that they're gonna close certain amenities, they're gonna decommission certain amounts of cardio and strength equipment because, they fit the models are to fit X amount of pieces of machine in that model, but if they have to distance people, they're probably gonna have to get rid

of a lot of equipment or decommission it. You know, cover it and say, okay, you're gonna be, you know, over here and you're gonna be way over there. There's gonna be lots of signs, they said. Personal training probably continued, but studio classes probably not, unless people can be widely distanced from each other. The clubs are gonna be open for 60 minutes at a time,

and then close for 30 minutes after each 60 minutes to be deeply cleaned. That is crazy. That's gonna kill. Yeah. That's gonna totally heal them. It's gonna put everybody on the hustle right when they get in there.

You gotta be super efficient in your workout. And then what about like taking your time and having a shower, like doing all these kinds of things? Well, all closed showers and stuff like that. Yeah, all wet areas. No, no, no, no sauna, no steam, no pool, no showers, just locker room. Now, think about this way.

Who are the only people that you can think of that are going to go to a gym that says, it's open only at these hours, closed at these hours, so you have to show up at the hour. If you want to get a full workout, you have to deal with the fact that things are spaced out. Who are the only people you can think of that are going to show up?

You're gonna show up. That's it. And how many of their members of that are going to show? You're gonna show it. You're gonna show it. You're gonna show it. You're gonna show it. You're gonna show it. You're gonna show it. You're gonna show it. You're gonna show it.

You're gonna show it. You're gonna show it. You're gonna show it. You're gonna show it. You're gonna show it. You're gonna show it. You're gonna show it. You're gonna show it.

You're gonna show it. You're gonna show it. You're gonna show it. You're gonna show it. You're gonna show it. You're gonna show it. You're gonna show it. You're gonna show it. You're gonna show it. like 150 people in from hours, 6am to 7am. So they'll do a app or do some sort of a register ahead of time. And when you have a member base that is massive with thousands of people,

I would think that people would try and register all their times that they won in there. And then what would end up happening is the reality is a lot of people don't show up, but then you have people that are signed up for that space. And then what happens to the other 900 plus people that weren't able to get into that? Like you gotta think they can't so they're membership.

I think what they're probably gonna do is they're going to have signups, maybe limit how many times you can sign up, and then they'll probably have where you could show up. You know when you buy, like you're waiting for space to open and they're like, look, we have reservations, but if you want, you can wait in case somebody doesn't show up.

What a cluster flood. But here's what I think. I think if this can't make continues to go, you're gonna pay more for times and less for other times. You know, prime time, you know, four, five, six o'clock at night when everybody's trying to work out, I would assume is probably gonna be expensive. And if you wanna work out like noon or nine a.m.

or 10 a.m. when nobody's in the gym, then you'll probably going to be What a headache though if you're if you're running this right like poor mark I mean we talked about how he's each county is different let the rules are and then to put all these things in place for to potentially be ripped right back down and you know Things months or think about the management when you're managing one of these gems You know how much of your time now is going to be dedicated to making sure social distancing, cleaning the gem. Oh, so many people shut up, sorry, you can't come in. Oh, now we have some space. Like, that's a lot of time taken away from marketing, sales, training, development, all

that other stuff that you need for success. Yeah, it's kind of trying to abide by all these rules. Well, definitely shut down a lot of those efforts. Now, every day I go for like a long walk in my neighborhood and a lot of people, we talked about this had their garages open and you see dads like woodworking and doing stuff. And I don't know if this is, you know when you buy

like a car and it's a certain color, a model and you're like I'm the only one that has it and then you see it all the time. So I don't know if I have that bias right now but it seems like so many people now have these cool garage gyms. Yeah. I got all these people, their doors open, I walk by and I'm like, peering in, I probably

look like some creeps, especially with the mustache. And I'm staring. You're in the bushes. Yeah, like looking into people's garages. You're so lucky. I'm so lucky. I forget I've got it. I probably don't.

Honey, take the kids inside. Yeah. Yeah. Get some weird mustache guys staring at our garage. Get some barbecue? Yeah. The mustache youbecued? Yeah. The mustache you guys. Yeah, so I don't know if it's my own bias

because we've been talking about it. We know that the increase of at home gyms, I don't know if those people had those gyms in their garage a year ago, and I just happen to see it for the first time, but it seems like so many more people are training inside their home or their backyard or whatever now. So, yeah.

Interesting. I'm just keep doing that. Dude, the equipment has been so scarce. I've seen people actually make out of wood, like squat racks and they've tried to, I've seen pull-up bars done now of the two by fours. I would never even have thought to do that. And Kudos to you for being inventive,

but it's like, come on. Like, it's just crazy to me that it's so scarce right now. Oh, this is such a weird time. I read a story of a lady who owned a hair salon and she opened it. The cops came and said, somebody ratted her out, which is, I think, your a piece of shit. But anyway, she had to close it because they said you can't have any of these non-essential businesses open. And she's like, I have kids. I'm not being, I'm not able to pay my bills.

I have other people in here who pay to use the space so that they could cut people's hair or whatever. They have kids. We're not able to pay our mortgages. Some of these people are not eating dinner so they could give food to their kids. She's like, I'm sorry, I'm staying open. And so she was, they sent her to jail.

Well, so she went to court and believe it or not in all places, Texas. Okay, so I was just gonna bring up a Texas. So someone in our forum, Rance, he went to a gym just the other morning, I guess that opened up even though they're not supposed to. And he said that cops were in there chasing everybody out. Yeah, dude.

This is a weird time because, you know, I get it, but you gotta be very careful because I mean how can you how can you throw someone in jail who they're not stealing what they're trying to do is support and pay for and take care of their family and the people going to see her and her herself they're the ones willingly taking their own lives at risk and I get the whole like we don't want it to spread around the community but, that's a weird difficult position. And when we were releasing prisoners to California, they just, they're releasing

sex offenders and shit. I see your meme. Oh my god. I talk about a backwards. Oh, by the way, three of them, three of the sex offenders that they got released, each one of them went back because they either did something else terrible, terrible crime because they released the Oh, no way. Yes. Did you see the thread that I was in on our forum that going back and forth with somebody who's in real estate that was saying that the claims that are going around about real estate being hurt right now and stuff isn't true?

And I was trying to say that that's what I'm most interested to watch because of all the forgiveness on the mortgages and the moratorium on foreclosures. And he was debating with me that, oh, that's just the small, or the small handful of states that have those things going on like California. I'm like, California is like fucking our economy

is bigger than most country. Most countries, yeah. So if we go down, the whole country gets hurt, bro. You know what I'm saying? And that's the 30, just so you know, that's the 31st of this month. So the 31st of this month, they pull that moratorium. Wow.

So as of right now, there's tons of people that are not paying rent and not paying mortgages and we're not seeing the repercussions of that yet. Now, you can see small indicators, but we've been watching with red fin and, and, and Zillow, we're seeing the houses like just get priced more aggressive, more aggressive and more and more of them hitting the market. But man, watch what happens at the end of this month when they pull that moratorium and all the people that own a lot of these houses that haven't been collecting their rent from renters that aren't paying, start kicking all these people out.

There's over 30 million jobless claims. 30 million. Yeah, over 30 million. And it keeps climbing. It's getting crazy. I was having a conversation. That's higher than great depression numbers, right? Percentage-wise?

I don't know if it is more percentage-wise, but it's the highest we've ever, I think, that we've recorded. Now, during the great depression, they didn't record necessarily numbers and stuff. They're all estimates, but I think since we really started paying attention to the numbers, I think it's one of the highest ever that we've ever experienced. Do you know that, Doug? Are you looking at the stats up right now on that? I thought I heard that. I thought I heard that. I thought I heard that we were on pace right now percentage wise. Obviously a lot more people today than there was.

And the difference is that that was caused by, you know, terrible market signals. This is caused by laws. Like, you know, and there's a virus that's out there, but most of it's been caused by laws that say, you know, you can't open. It's funny I was having out there, but most of it's been caused by laws that say, you know, you can't open. It's funny I was having this conversation with a friend of mine who is also a son of

immigrants. And we were talking about, so I watched, you know, there's that Milton Friedman series free to choose. And everyone's a while I'll watch it. And there was, I think it was a second episode. By the way, if you're into this kind of stuff, it's an old series, but it's on YouTube, and it's absolutely great. And there was a one of the episodes was showing all the immigrants that were coming in, you

know, in the early, you know, 1900s. And I'm watching that and I'm remembering that in those days, there were really no, there was no, there were no laws of immigration laws. Like if you came here, you were here and you were on your own, but you were freed to build your life and do what you wanted. And most of the immigrants came from Europe and it's funny. I was talking with my friend and he goes, you know, when I bring that up to people, people say, oh, they were all Europeans. That's why it worked so well and everybody got long. And I'm like, this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Europe, especially back then, was so, each country was so,

I mean, they went to war, it was world wars two times amongst European nation. So to assume that just because, you know, Germans, the tyans, and Irish are coming, oh, they're all European, they're for, they're all gonna get along, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. The reason why they all got along

is because all of them had the same idea when they came here, which was, all right, you don't bother me, I don't bother you, I'm here to value the freedom to pursue my interests. And if we work together, great. And if not, then we leave each other alone, and that's what made it work. And so there's still that, I think a little bit of that vein left in this country,

which is why I think you see people protesting and saying, hey, I want to take that risk and I want to be open. Now, are you and Justin both still, is it still home schooling right now? What's going on with that? Yeah, they're not opening till the end of, till next year.

And when is school like in for you guys? And what's that looking like? Well, I'm pretty sure it's in August. Like the mid August is when they're going to reopen the schools and kind of bring everybody back as far as we know. And I had mentioned that they were trying to look into even like Gavin Newsom was trying to make it. So like during the summer that the kids would come back.

So just in case the pandemic sort of came back and they had to go through the skin, which to our benefit, thankfully, that they've ruled against that. So they're doing August because it's like, okay, so we've figured out how to do this at home. So now if it does happen again, and there's a resurgence of this, it's like, okay,

well, we've dealt with this, we kinda know what this looks like, so I guess it'll be at home. Have you guys seen some of the latest polls on this topic? No. So some of the latest polls are showing that 52% of people now have a positive, they think positively of homeschooling or maybe considering it. So this could very much, the situation could very much cause way more parents to say, you know what? I could see

that. I prefer homeschooling to the system where I send my phone. I think it's bumpy at first, right? Just like anything. I mean, it's creating and establishing what that looks like with the ritual of like, I'm getting up, I'm productive in between these hours. They have enough free time here. Like you just, you have to kind of feel that out between whoever's watching the kids

and what the kids are, how they stay focused. Now, you both have had a good experience though with your schools as far as, because I would think that would make a big difference as a parent right now is, do you have a good school system that's providing direction and support for you guys versus maybe some that don't?

Like, I don't know, have you heard any of your friends or any other people that may not be experiencing, like you guys seem to have worked out a system and you like this? I don't think, what I don't think is I don't think you're gonna see more people homeschooled than send kids to school, but you're gonna see a larger percentage

than you maybe have before. I mean, the poll literally says, was not what that would mean. No, more than they did before. So let's say that there was, let's say five percent of kids are being homeschooled before this happened. You're probably gonna see it go up.

Right. Pretty significantly. The poll actually says that 52% of parents now have a more favorable opinion of homeschooling. That's a big, that's a very, very big job. I was having this conversation with my son, we were going on a walk and he's like, you know, he goes, the school system's kind of not smart. I said, what do you mean? He goes, well, why? It's

exposing it. He goes, I get when they teach you all these general things, but after a certain point, he goes, the modern, and I'm, you know, this makes me, my kid talks like this. I go, I want to cry, you know, he goes, you know, the, he goes, the modern workforce is very, very heavily based around specialization. Like, most people's jobs don't include, like doing a lot of different things. He said, most jobs are you do one or two things really, really well. He goes, it makes no sense.

He said, what they should do is if a kid is good at like math and science, and he learns like really, you know, I'm kind of some basic history and stuff. Why don't they devote all their time on math and science, since that's what the modern workforce looks like or You know whatever and I said yeah, I said you told you you're totally right. It makes way too much sense Yeah, and that's what home that's homeschooling if you there are ways you could do that where you you focus your child's education on The special on you what you see their talents and their interests are right and you probably were producing a

Domenico for president 2050. Yeah, right I'm unlikely now. I'm not my big mouth And you probably were produced a Domenico for president 2050. Yeah, right. Yeah Unlikely that one my big mouth Today's calls brought to you by Max and a ballake if you're looking to maximize your overall muscle and strength Math and the ballake is the perfect place to. With a full 30-day money back guarantee, there is absolutely zero risk. So what is your waiting for? Go to mindpromedia.com and get started today!

It's the motherfucking world. An English Landish! Quikwa. First question is from Zach D.P. How detrimental is alcohol to weight training? How much is too much? You know, this is a very common question as a trainer that we get all the time, right?

Do you guys remember getting this all the time from clients like, you know, I have this goal, but how do I, how do I, what? I can't get past this point of time, I'm sorry. I have to point out the help in the room. It's a ZACTP. Come on, guy. That's probably not what it means, but it's fine.

Let's move on. We're like, she's like a little kid, dude. We're like kids over your kid. All right. Sorry. You guys are talking with me. What do I dot, no, I don't. Shake it out.

Shake it out. No, all the time. I would get clients and people asking me, but I used to get this one a lot. Like, you know, oh, you know, I definitely wanna lose weight this and that, but make sure that, you know, I have five glasses one a week.

No, I used to be, let's count. I had clients that would say that was their thing was like, listen, I'll do whatever you tell me to, but I'm not giving up my wine at night. Or I'm not giving up my scotch or whatever it is. And it's like, you know, I don't know if I've even figured out the best way to answer this to clients. But I do know this, like if you have that attitude of that you need to be drinking or you

have to be drinking, normally that person is not very successful at achieving their fitness goals. It's not to say that there are not people that have found ways to integrate alcohol into their lifestyle and still maintaining. It's, I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is the people that come in that have that attitude, that have that attitude from the gates that say, I'm not willing to give X up or I'm not giving these days up and how do I figure out a plan to integrate that. If you come in with that, 99% of those people failed at getting to their goal. Now if you were open to, hey, I can totally get rid of it, whatever it takes to figure

out or get to my goal. And then hopefully one day I can start to integrate it into my lifestyle. Those people have some success. Yeah. Well, it's always, yeah, it's, I mean, it may not have that big of an effect overall, but like I've noticed the training people, it's always like one thing, it's that one thing that is on that list of like untouchables,

yeah, everything but this, and I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna, you know, give up those snacks, because I live and die for those every day. When in fact, that was the one key that if we finally addressed that like a couple of years later, like they're finally okay to do that.

And then they had like this crazy transformation. Yeah, it's not even necessarily the alcohol itself. I think it's the attitude, because I will say that look for the most part, for the most part, alcohol consumption is going to reduce your body's ability to build muscle, burn body fat, adapt, all that other stuff. Now there are small, there's a small percentage of times when some alcohol is going to actually

be better for your health. Now I'm not talking about the physical physiological health benefits of alcohol. There's some studies that suggest maybe there's some of that, I don't believe that. What I think is, if you use alcohol occasionally because you're connecting with friends and family, it's part of a religious ceremony. It's something that you're doing with your spouse and you're enjoying, you know, it's your anniversary.

That is good for a segment of your health, which then can contribute to general overall health. But that being said, physically speaking, there's no benefit from alcohol and when it comes to building muscle, it's mostly detriment. Well, I look at that there's a few reasons for this and one of the reasons is it's completely empty calories. It's just it's not there's no benefit.

There is no benefit for it towards you burning more body fat or building more muscle. And the reality is that most people don't get enough of what they need as it is. Right, how often did you guys ever evaluate a diet and go, man, you hit all your macro targets. That's great. Never.

You never did. In fact, we always advocate for, before you take anything away from anybody's diet. No matter how shitty their diet is, is to start to add things into the diet that they need. So, if you already are lacking in nutrients and then you're adding something that's taking up potentially 200 to 500 calories depending on how much alcohol you're drinking, you make it really, really difficult to get what your body needs. And then you add in the behavioral things that happen with it. Normally when you drink, you have a tendency to want to eat foods

that are also not as advantageous for your goals. And then the after effect of the next day, the next day a lot of times, I feel like trash because of how, because I drank and I was ingesting something that didn't serve my body. And then the motivation that I lacked to exercise in action. You know, it's funny too. The more the harder you have challenges with food, the more you have to willingly prevent

yourself from bingeing or overeating, the more likely you are to do those things when you drink alcohol because alcohol is a classic, it classically reduces inhibitions. This is why the joke's about sleeping with people that you normally wouldn't when you're drunk or, oh, I did that crazy thing or I did karaoke when normally I wouldn't go up and sing on stage. It lowers your inhibitions. And so if you have this, if you don't have a great relationship with food and if it's always kind of a struggle, you're probably more likely to eat really crappy food

When you drink alcohol because it lowers inhibitions and now you feel like hey, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna stop myself anymore. I'm gonna do whatever I want or whatever so it tends to do that I'll tell you this okay that all being said okay if you have a healthy relationship with alcohol You're using it appropriately. It's not an abuse or whatever one thing you could do is you can you can really use or whatever. One thing you could do is you can really mitigate a lot of the negative effects from it by kind of manipulating how you use it. One of the biggest things you could do, one of the most important things you could do, is not drink late at night. That is a big one because what you're doing by drinking late at night is not only are you drinking alcohol, but now you're interfering with sleep, So now you've just doubled all the damage.

I learned this as an adult. When I was younger and we'd go out drinking to be at night and then I come home and you have crappy sleep and whatever and then you wake up and you feel like, and I remember as an adult, when you're an adult, you kind of be like, let's go hang out. It's noon, let's go to a bar or whatever. And then you drink during the day and then you five, six o'clock rolls around, you stop drinking, you sober up a little bit. And then your sleep is a little bit better. That's one thing. Yeah.

No, sleep is terrible for sleep. And I think there's a high majority of people that use alcohol after work as a way to cut the edge off and to kind of relax. And it's sort of like, it becomes a bit of a ritual, even if it's just one or two glasses, which then can kind of, which then can compile later. Like you could start, that could be the start to that. But looking at that is like a potential, this can become a habit that you form.

Like this is my go-to-to relax. And so that's the behavior side of that. You know, I always try to pay attention to it. And it's not benefiting you in terms of anything else. Like, it's gonna take away from your sleep, it's gonna take away from your performance in the gym. So, I try to look at alcohol as something that I use as a treat.

So, it's like, I'm looking forward to it. You know, I'm gonna go and I'm gonna hang out with my friends, I'm gonna celebrate something. Like, that's where I wanna use alcohol. No, we all openly admit to having an occasional drink. In fact, we partnered with a company like Zbiotic. Do you think, Sal, that what makes the Zbiotic so impactful

is the fact that it helps with the sleep? Do you think that's what a major, because that's what I notice when I use that, right? I don't drink that off. It's not a sleep aid, so it's not that it makes you sleep better. It's a genetically engineered bacteria that produces an enzyme that breaks down a negative byproduct or build up that's caused from alcohol metabolism,

called a sital aldehyde. And what this stuff does is it builds up and typically your liver creates the enzyme that can destroy it or can break it down. But what happens when you drink alcohol is you build up more than you can break down. So you get this over, you get this build up of this byproduct of alcohol.

And what are the symptoms of acetyl aldehyde build up? Inflamm inflammation, headaches, you know, terrible sleep, bad gut, your gut, all this stuff that we would classically label as a hangover. So Ziba, and look, I'll tell you what right now, when I, when this company, we, I initially heard about this company

through an article that I read about this product and how the author tested it and other people tested it and thought it was amazing. I talked about it on the podcast. The company heard that we had talked about it and contacted us and sent us some samples. And I was extremely skeptical. I'm like, oh, okay, whatever. Let's see if this actually works. It is eerie. It is eerie how well that it works. I mean, we even did a video where Adam Justin, myself and Doug played a drinking game and like idiots, we modified the rules thinking it would be better

and reality what we did. We did it to the absolute extreme. We, yeah, we was dumb. It was very, what we did was irresponsible. We went way too far. I had never been that drunk. I don't think I've been that drunk in 10 years or longer. And we did, but we did the Zeebotics.

And the next day, normally the way I would feel would be like, I need to stay home from work sick, like really, really bad. Instead, I felt like a little tired. I didn't, I noticed I didn't feel, and it had to be because, and I've used, ever since then, I've used Zeebotics a few other times. So, you know, I said drinking during the day

instead of at night, Zeebotics is the first product I would say is one way you can mitigate some of the negatives, especially if fitness and health is a priority for you know, drink that, then have your drinks and you're probably going to notice a difference. Like to Justin's point, the thing that you have to, and this just takes self-awareness on you. If you are the person who, it's become a behavior or a habit, or you, if it triggers you to say, you can't have it or you shouldn't have it, and you have a problem with saying, hey, you know, I can go, you know, weeks or months without having alcohol my life. There's an issue there. And I mean, I don't care if it's, we're talking

about alcohol right now, but they can be talking about anything. We've talked about this before. If you have a problem, it has control over you. You don't have control over it. Yeah. Next question is from Joey Dominic 41. I'm about to finish maps and a ballic and I'm feeling great. I want to start maps aesthetic. Should I take any time off in between? Oh, it's perfect progression. You know, the programs we designed the programs like personal trainers first. We did not design the programs like personal trainers first. We did not design the programs like marketers first. So let me explain, right? When we created these workout programs,

the idea was to think about what would the average person need and then how would we progress them? Because working out and training your body is a lifelong pursuit and Through that lifelong pursuit you learn what works for your body you learn how to apply certain principles How they work for you you learn how to manipulate them and use them you figure out how to use the tool of resistance training appropriately and Through that process means if you want to really go through that process means you work out many different ways with other goals in mind and So our programs are meant to be

Followed one after another maps and a ballic is a very good foundational Strength and muscle building program like it's a very very good solid foundational program for strength and for muscle building foundational program for strength and for muscle building. Maps aesthetic is like Maps and Obolic just much more advanced. So if you've done Maps and Obolic and you've followed the program two or three times and you're ready for more volume, more work, next level, more of a body building spin to your program, then you go more, then you go Maps aesthetic. But all of them are designed to be able to follow one another.

Yeah, we wrote, you did a thing where, I think Rachel saved it on the highlights on the main page. So we get a quote, and I wanted, that's why I wanted to pick this question is so we could share on the podcast because I don't think we have, and we get questions like this a lot. Especially when I do my Q&A,

I answer a lot of these questions. And she will, I will, Sal sat down and wrote out, the way we created them, the natural progression from program to program, or if you have specific goals, like ideally what programs would you couple together and what order. And so if you go to the Mind Pump Media IG and you look at the saved highlights, the

saved stories or whatever, there's a whole bunch of different examples of whatever your goal may be, what programs would fit best, or if you are planning on going through all of them, what is the consecutive order that you should be? Right. Now, I will say this for people listening. One of the best things you could do for your fitness is to sit down and write out and construct yourself a workout. And every two to four months change your workout, and the change isn't just the exercises, that's part of it, but the change should be your goal, your target goal. So if your target goal for this three months is maximum strength in the three lifts, the bench press, squat and deadlift, all right, you design your program around that,

then the next program you create for yourself after that three months is over, might be, okay, now I'm looking more for athletic performance, maybe some better mobility. I'll do that for the next three months. And then after that, you can say, okay, I think I'm going to train now more like a body builder. I'm going to sculpt my body. And that, what that produces over time is superior results and a great balanced physique because one of the ways you plateau is by hammering the same goal over and over

without changing a little bit. And we wrote the programs with the same concept of how we would train clients towards the end of our career. Beginning of our career, I think we fell into a lot of similar things that other personal trade. But it is a culmination of all three of ours experience. And when we wrote it, we wrote it within mind thinking that the idea is to give,

not only take you through something, but also give you the tools to where you can create a program. So probably the most common thing that people buy is our RGB, which is the, you know, maps and a ball, maps performance and maps aesthetic bundle that we have together. And the idea is that is to take you through about a year's worth of training on how we

would transition and phase you through all the different types of modalities regardless of what your goal is and it'd be most beneficial. Most people that have gone all the way through all three of those get the concept of how you now put together your own program. It takes a lot for the consumer to trust, you know, put their trust out there and to do something that's uncomfortable and they're unfamiliar with. And so again, yeah, we try to write something that,

you know, would first and foremost, would appeal to what your goals are and what you're trying to accomplish, but also introduce you to new concepts, new ideas, new ways of moving your body that will even, you know, take you even further. So you'll never reach that plateau period where it's like, man, I'm just not getting the kind of results I was getting before. We try and take you along that journey. So you just keep going and keep moving forward.

Next question is from Nathaniel L. Watson. How do you turn your focus on how you feel instead of how you look? Well, there's, okay, there's two ways that this will happen for you. So if you are very, very, very focused on how you look, and that's really your main driver. Throw it in the air. For working out.

And that's your main driver for working out. You're not gonna move out of that space unless you're forced to. So what I mean by that is your health suffers, your looks suffer terribly because your health is suffering, you've got terrible digestive issues or acne or injuries and I've talked to many people like this where they were just so focused on how they looked

and at some point everything fell apart and then they were like, you know, you hit your knees and you're like, all right, I give in, I'm gonna focus on my health and how I feel. Here's the other way you can do that. If you don't wanna reach that point, okay? The other way you can do that is, yeah, you can definitely change your,

completely shift your paradigm. Good luck with that. That's definitely the great way to do it. Takes a lot of work. Or you can do this. You could sell yourself a little bit. And this is how I'm gonna sell you right now on why you should change this.

If you focus on your looks, if that's what drives you with your workouts and nutrition, you will eventually have health consequences when your health is poor, your looks suffer. So, if you focus on your looks, the end result is you get terrible looks. If you focus on how you feel in your health, the side effect of that is looking great. And if you always focus on your health, then you will always have a greater, a good deal of good health. And because again, because of that, you'll have better looks. So this is how you sell yourself.

I want the best looks. I'm going to focus on how I feel because that produces the best looks. That's the secret. And again, if you don't do that, at some point, you will get forced to move in that direction. I think this is a life long pursuit. I really do. We talk about it at Nazim on this podcast, and I still find myself still to this day being challenged in that area.

I don't know if it will ever end for me, especially if it's something that is a deeply rooted insecurity. If it was what drove me into this space in the first place was to train because I felt like I was a skinny guy. More than likely, most of my fitness life, I'm going to be challenged with that one way or another. In fact, yesterday, I was texting back and forth with Mark Bell. He had reached out to me and just asked me how to do it. Oh, you think I really like you? Yeah, he does. He does a different thing.

Especially your new mustard. Six me nudes all the time. I don't know if that's a nice buddy. So he's texting me back and forth. We're talking about fatherhood and then he asked me about my training. You know, as you're training and how's the gym going and stuff. I said, you know, I've reframed my goals right now. I said, you know, by no means in my, the impressive men's physique

athlete right now, at all. And I know that part of that process, I know I'm directly challenging my own insecurities to do that. Like, and I said to him, I said, you know, right now, it's about having energy to, when I come home to be able to play with my son, to have good rest as much as I possibly can to feel mobile so that I don't get my back,

it isn't give out on me when I'm holding him or when I'm down low playing with him. So I've focused on those things right now. So I said on a bad week, you know, I may get one or two like strength training sessions but coupled with two or three days of mobility and tons of long walks right now that I spend with Katrina and Max.

And I mean, I can't tell you how good I feel about my overall health right now and my relationship with my partner, my son, all these other aspects that I think are important when you talk about your overall health journey. But when you look at me, I don't look anywhere impressive. In fact, the average person that may have dropped in on my Instagram a couple of years ago,

then drops in now would go, oh my God, what's happened at him or he's falling off? And it's like, no, I've shifted my've, I've shifted my focus of a, a look and it's more about other aspects of my journey, but it doesn't mean that that's not challenging. I mean, it's, it's still something that I have. And part of me doing that is, is letting go of that and challenging those versus trying to hold on to, oh my God, I used to look this way or throwing back pictures of what I used to look like on posting on Instagram to make myself feel better about myself.

It's like, no, instead I'm going to embrace the physique that I have right now because by no means is it bad. It's just that it's my insecurities that make me think that way because it's still as healthy or healthier today than it was five years ago. We've just seen what that mentality does.

You know, it ends up being that on the wagon off the wagon, vicious cycle that you tend to go through, because it's really hard to live up to a 20-year-old me. I would love to go back and have that same physique and those abilities and that strength and all those attributes that I looked back fondly at, but to be able to focus on new things, I mean, it is hard. It's something that you have to constantly just focus on one aspect of that and try to adopt that going forward

and make that become something that you do so frequently. It's just, it becomes part of your lifestyle and I mean, it's pretty cliche to say that, but it has to be that. It has to be something that you incorporate into. This is what I do now forever. It's not something that, you know, I wanna just hustle to get there and then back off

and then hustle and then once I get there, look at me, but guess what, you look at me and then what, you go right back to old patterns and you start this whole thing all up again. So, to be able to just incorporate one thing at a time, add on to that with once you build off of that is so much of a better strategy. Well, what do you, long term strategies?

Yeah, when you think, when I think of overall health, there's so many things that encompass that. And there's going to be times. And, and, and here's a thing too, it's, I don't think that it's fair or right to, to demonize wanting to look good, you know, if you want to look good and be ripped and fit, I don't think that there's some value in that. Right. I don't think there's, I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with that. You just have to be careful. You just have to be careful not to identify with that, right? Because it's only one part of the whole big picture.

It's also a road to destruction if you're obsessed with that and that becomes your own. And you know, it's funny about this, is that, you know, and I remember learning this years ago, I went to my first, like, physique, you know, bikini competitor competition years ago. I had a friend that was competing in it and he was a natural bodybuilder. And I remember walking in and seeing some of these athletes in real life and they were shredded and dieted and whatever. None of them actually in real life looked attractive. By the way, attractive, the actual real definition of the term where you see someone, you're like, wow, that's a magnetic

individual. They all looked terribly unhealthy, they bad skin. It wasn't a represent, they didn't look healthy. And here's the thing, healthy people, really healthy people, I mean inside and out are attractive to other healthy people. Unhealthy people are the ones that are attractive to other unhealthy people. Like you got the roided out, insecure know, insecure dude, it tends to attract the the plastic surgery extreme diet person and their unhealthiness attracts each other. Real attractiveness

comes from being truly healthy. Okay, and that's a that's a good life long pursuit because I'm gonna tell you something right now. I don't care who you are. You're gonna get older. If you're lucky, you're gonna get older one day. And it's all gonna fall apart anyway. So either you learn the lesson now or you learn the hard lesson later on, but at some point you're going to learn this lesson. Next question is from KJ Biggs. If I were to open up your fridge in pantry, what would I see? What are the staples? Oh, that's great. All right. So do you guys have like certain staples that are always in your refrigerator? Yeah. So I have, I'll have, lots of cheese. Quote. Two drawers. That's not what it is.

Yeah, and that is not an exaggeration or lie, because when you're going to have to to Tahoe, that's all in time. Yeah, we're going to have to to Tahoe. I opened up with one of our drawers and I'm like, there's every fucking kind of cheese in this drawer right now. Dude, there was a shortage.

I had to make sure that I was covered. Jeez, amen. If you could tolerate it, cheese is actually not bad at all. It's good for you. And so in my fridge, I'll have stuff that the kids can eat. So I'll have cheese. I'm a little bit different. I'm a little bit different. I'm a little bit different. I'm a little bit different. I'm a little bit different. I'm a little bit different. I'm a little bit different.

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I'm a little bit different. I'm a little bit different. I'm a little bit different. I'm a little bit different. I'm a little bit different. I'm a little bit different. for the day, milk for the kids in the morning, trying to think what else are staples that are out bacon? I'll have meat that's been defrosted, that'll probably be made for that day or fish or something like that. What else is a staple in the fridge? Not pantry, I'll have cans of tuna fish. That's a good, easy source of protein. We'll have all the spices and stuff that you can use.

We'll have some lemons, typically I'll use those in cooking, maybe some fruit, some fresh fruit will be in there. And rarely will we have something that would be like a cookie mix or something that we're going to make cookies with the kids or something like that. Yeah, I mean, in prison, we have like our freezer is filled with meat, like constantly. And then you go to defrost whatever is going to be You know dinner that that night. We'll put in the fridge and or on the counter and But besides that I mean it's it's cheese. It's it's it's deli meat. It's Like yogurt's too. So we'll do some Greek yogurt. This is a good snack and stuff like that for the kids

and other than that, for the most part, we try and get a lot of the freshness. This is one thing I really respect about Courtney and like her cooking. She really tries to maintain as much fresh produce as possible. And so we do this, I always forget the name of it, by the way. But it's like this community thing where you get a box of vegetables and fruit from a local farmer. And so we go pick that up at the beginning of the week and we try and use it all up before it all rocks right in front of us.

So that's been a great addition to all of our diets for sure. So I'll take you through my refrigerator. And we have a lot of magic spin. Yes, shelf by shelf, because I would say it looks pretty similar to what it is right now is what it normally always is. The top shelf is the different types of milk, like so almond milk and coconut milk next to max's milk, press milk. So that's the top shelf. Then underneath that is

normally a bunch of things of Tupperware, which is always left over. We always tend to cook in bulk. And next to that is all of Max's food. So Katrina, when she meal preps for us, she meal preps also for Max's food, all his mixes for the week. And that's normally things like broccoli and broccoli and blueberries. I think was yesterday and avocado and chicken. And she blends it all up and mixes baby food. So that's next to that. Underneath that shelf is where the eggs are all at and then the overflow of veggies because we have a veggie drawer,

but we probably have more veggies and fruit than anything else. In our refrigerator, like probably just an ant sal, we tend to have tons of that. There's always a massive broccoli head in there. There's always a huge bag or multiple bags of brussel sprouts. I eat a lot of brussel sprouts and normally a few heads of asparagus that are in there, there's always a huge bag or multiple bags of Brussels sprouts, I eat a lot of Brussels sprouts and normally a

few heads of asparagus that are in there. And then the bottom jaw is whatever meat that I've taken out of the freezer. So we have a freezer in the garage, one of the big deep freezers that is full to the brim of mostly butcher box meat. That's in there and I'll normally pull out, it goes into the bottom jaw. I know that's what I'm either prepping and cooking on the barbecue, or Katrina is using the Instapot or the Air Fryer.

We use that all the time. And then as far as pantry stuff, we really don't have a lot of boxed can type foods, like Justin, my magic spoon is on the counter. That's my one treat. I'm the type of person, this is different than Katrina, if it was up to Katrina, our house wouldn't look like this. Thank God she was okay with being this way

because she recognizes this about me is, I'm really good by not keeping things in the house, like I won't eat it, like I don't crave chips that bad, I don't even need ice cream, candy, all that even with my sweet tooth. I will not like get up out of my couch and go drive to get something like that. And so by keeping it out of the cupboards,

I know that I won't go dive into it because I have a really bad habit of like, I can't, she can do this, right? She can go have two chips or she can go have two M&Ms. Oh, I know, I know. Dude, that's crazy. She can do that, right? She can go have two chips, or she can go have two M&Ms. I know, I know. Dude, that's crazy. She can do that.

She can buy a king size bag of peanut M&Ms, put it in the freezer, and it'll last a month. You know, if we're just like, one of the- Yeah, and that's not me. Like, whatever it is, if it's a treat, I will eat the whole thing if I do it. And I'll know-

Most people are like that. I feel like, I know, I can't be alone in this, right? And I know that I choose those types of foods when I'm Netflixing and chilling, right? At night. And it's, it has that, and I know this about myself that I have these behaviors. And one of the best ways for me to break those is to buy, not allow it into the house. So I think that's why we keep those. If I'm really craving something, I got to go in the refrigerator and get creative with the whole foods that we have. That's actually a great, I mean that's how I coach my clients. I'd say, don't, if you, if there are foods that are treats and things that you think you want to have seldomly, don't keep them in the house,

create the barrier to where, if you need it, you have to go drive the store and get yourself a single serving because if it's there and it's present and it's that accessible, the odds are, you'll be stressed, tired, watching something, maybe you had a little bit of whatever, you're gonna go and grab it and then eat more of it than you do. Yeah, I'm not trying to hide the fact

I do have some vices, like there's, we do drink and, you know, occasionally and then also like chips make their way in and out of our house quite often. We always have, too, on that second shelf of, I always have a massive thing of rice that we had pre-cooked. We're always cooking rice. Rice is like the staple pair with every meat that we have.

So it's like a go-to, I do mix in, of course, sweet potatoes and yams, things like that, and regular potatoes. But the go-to is almost always. There is a rice and a green in there that we have either cooked from the night before or have to cook that day, and then whatever meat that we're mixing. And I have fallen in love, Katrina too, with the Instapot. The Instapot has been like a savior for us. It's just, once you learn how to use it, I think that's what most people complain about is just all the buttons and gadgets on it,

but once you figure it all out, it cooks, it cooks, it cooks dishes so amazing, and you can kind of like throw everything in it, and then it makes it so quick too, and it's easy clean, so that's been a staple for us. Excellent. Go to mindpumpfree.com and download all of our guides, resources and books.

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