Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1356: The Pros & Cons of Using Lifting Chalk, the Benefits of Cold Showers & Ice Baths, Distinguishing Between True Physical Exhaustion & Just Giving Up & More

Episode Date: August 12, 2020

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about using chalk and grip strength, cold showers vs. ice baths for cold exposure therapy, tips on knowing when to push a client to do more reps and when to back off, and their all-time favorite body weight. Introducing MAPS Suspension! (8:11) The famous vegan you would NOT expect, the money grabs in boxing & MORE. (17:36) The effectiveness of plant proteins vs animal proteins. (23:24) Ancestry.com buyout, user beware. (27:00) Social Media Wars are heating up! (30:50) Wagyu beef 101. (32:56) The impact and effects of distance learning on children. (35:55) #Quah question #1 – I know you are not fans of wrist straps, because of losing the potential grip strengthening. What about chalk, liquid, or powder? My hands sweat a lot and chalk seems to help with that, but I don’t want to hinder my grip strengthening. (46:56) #Quah question #2 - Cold exposure therapy is said to have many health benefits. Would taking a cold shower be an alternative to taking an ice bath? Does your body need to hit a certain temperature in order to see the benefits be activated? (52:40) #Quah question #3 – Any tips on knowing when to push a client to do more reps and when to back off? How do I know the difference between true physical exhaustion or them mentally giving up? (58:43) #Quah question #4 – For each of you, what has been your favorite bodyweight and why? (1:03:14) Related Links/Products Mentioned August Promotion: MAPS Performance ½ off!! **Promo code “GREEN50” at checkout** FLASH SALE: 75% off Access to Mind Pump Private Forum – Promo code “75OFF” at checkout Top Shape Mike Tyson: Going Vegan Gave Me A New Opportunity At Life Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout** The Myth of Optimal Protein Intake - Mind Pump Media Blackstone to acquire Ancestry.com for $4.7 billion Twitter 'looking' at a possible TikTok tie-up What Is Reels On Instagram? How To Make, Post And Disable Reels On Instagram Wagyu Beef: What Is It and Why Is It so Expensive? Visit Felix Gray for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Mobility Tips For Strengthening Your Wrists - Mind Pump  The ONLY Forearm Workout That Matters (TRY THIS!!) | MIND PUMP Do Cold Showers Increase Testosterone? Mind Pump #1282: The #1 Key To Consistently Building Muscle & Strength (Avoid Plateaus!) Mind Pump Podcast - YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources  People Mentioned Gary Vay-Ner-Chuk (@garyvee)  Instagram Dr. Rhonda Patrick (@foundmyfitness)  Instagram Wim Hof (@iceman_hof)  Instagram Kyle Kingsbury (@kyle_kingsbury)  Instagram

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, the World's Top Fitness Health and Entertainment Podcast, we answer a lot of fitness and health questions that are asked by viewers and listeners, just like you. But the way we open the episode is with a 40 minute introductory portion. This is where we talk about current events. We talked about our forum today.

We talk about supplements or health studies. So I'm gonna do is give you a whole breakdown of today's episode. If you just want the fitness stuff or we answer the questions, that happens about 40 minutes into the episode. So here's the breakdown. We open up by talking about our new maps program

coming out, maps suspension. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, in the doorway, whatever, full body workout. Now this program is being released only to our private forum as of the releasing of this episode on Tuesday, Thursday it becomes live to the public. However, if you'd like to get early access, we're offering a forum discount. In other words, you can get into our private forum for $75 or $75 and75% off the normal price. So you're going to pay

$25 for a year access into our private forum. All you got to do is go to mapsfitinistproducts.com, type in this code, 75 off. So that's 75 OFF for that discount, and then you'll get the discount on the map suspension program and other programs we may release. Then we talked about Mike Tyson. Believe it or not, that guy's been vegan for 10 years. Blue me away. Yeah. Then we talked.

I was going to do the impression. No, no. Then we talked to all of them. You're children? Mike Tyson taking potentially protein powders, animal protein versus plant protein. That got us talking about plant protein powders that are good. They typically are a mix of different plant sources.

Now our favorite vegan protein powder is from Organify. Organify is a supplement company that has all organic supplements. They have protein powders, they have green juices, red juices, gold juices, and other products. If you want to get the Mind Pump discount, here's what you got to do. Go to organify.com, that's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com, Forts-Mind Pump. Use the code Mind Pump for 20% off. Then we talked about how ancestry.com sold to Blackstone Investment Group, and we talked

about what that could possibly look like. Yeah, no shenanigans, I imagine. Then we talked about, easy for you to say, Twitter, potentially buying TikTok, I talked about my why you stake experience, that stuff is amazing. Why can you bring it up? Then we talked about distance learning for our kids and some strategies that we have for them.

One strategy, of course, is to have them wear blue light blocking glasses since they're gonna be on their screens so much and it'll protect their eyes from the potential ravages of blue light from their computer screens. Now, a company that we work with that makes the best in our opinion, blue light blocking glasses is Felix Gray.

Now, here's one of the reasons why we like Felix Gray glasses. They're stylish and the glasses don't change the color of everything. So a lot of blue light blocking glasses are orange or red. These ones still are clear. They're still clear, but they still block a great deal of the potentially damaging blue light rays coming from electronic devices. So if you want to get the Mind Pump hook up, check them out. Go to FelixGrayGlasses.com. That's F-E-L-I-X-G-R-A-Y. Glasses.com forward slash Mind Pump. And you'll get free shipping and free returns.

Then we got into the fitness questions. Here's the first one. This person says, look, I know you guys aren't super big fans of wrist wraps. What about lifting chalk? So we talk about all about lifting chalk in that part of the episode. Next question. This person is asking about cold exposure therapy. That includes ice baths and cold showers. And shrinkage. So we talk all about the benefits of cold therapy in that part of the episode.

The third question, this person is a trainer. So they're asking the trainer question, they wanna know how to know when to push a client based off of their physical exhaustion or their mental exhaustion, like how do you know? And the final question, this person just wants to know what our favorite body, what weights have been, and why, so this is a personal one.

Dic. Also, all month long, maps performance is 50% off. So this is a full workout program that incorporates athletic movements with traditional resistance strength. So you build muscle, burn body fat, speed up your metabolism, but you also gain great functional movement and mobility.

Now, this program also includes a free modification so you can follow the entire program with just a pair of dumbbells. So that's all you need. You can work at home, follow the whole program. If you have gym access or you have a full gym at home, then you can follow the program that was as it was originally written out. So no excuses. A great program has some of the best reviews of all of our maps programs. Again, 50% off. Here's how you get that discount. Go to mapsgreen.com that's M-A-P-S-G-R-E-N.com.

Use the code green50. That's G-R-E-N50, no space for the discount. T-shirt time! And it's T-shirt time! Oh shit, you know it's T-shirt time! Oh shit, you know it's my favorite time of the week! Yes it is. Yeah.

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include your shirt size and your shipping address and we'll get that shirt right out to you. I told you guys about that one time I made a bad joke. That one time a bank account? No, not that. You've never done that. No, no, I always good. Remember what you did that flute?

Yeah. It was what you did the flute. I've never done that. Yeah, I remember. No, no, I always good. Remember what you did that flute? Yeah. It was what you did the flute. I could play and talk and say, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh, shh. So, no, the time I made a joke to a priest, I think I was about this. What? And I did not go over well.

Did you know? Did you? That's like Adam Pancing his pastor. Yeah, I was trying to, that this is how good it was. Did you know? Did you know he was a priest when he did it? Yeah, no, I was, I thought I was being clever

and I thought he'd laugh. So, you know, like a rabbi joke. No, rabbi in a priest walking to a barn. Yeah, no, no. No, he was, so my studio used to be next to, when I had the wellness facilities, it used to be next to a coffee shop. And they had a bench outside for people could wait.

And Saturday mornings they used to get real busy. So people would be sitting on the bench waiting to get seated. And so he just, it was a priest just sitting there. And he was, he wasn't doing, he was just chilling, waiting for his turn to go eat breakfast. And I was training my client. We opened the doors, you know, because it was hot or whatever.

And so I'm like, hey, he's like, hell in here. No, no, no. That's, it's an inferno. No, I said, hey, he looks up and I'm like, you, Helen here. No, no, it's not. It's an inferno. No, I said, hey, he looks up and I'm like, you and I got something in common and he goes, what? And I said, we both exercise people. Wow.

Silence. Nothing. No, dude, he looked at me like just a stare. Yeah. And I was like, oh, wow. He's a demon's reel. I thought he was gonna chuckle. He'll chuck it.

I thought he was gonna laugh. Like, ah, you know, funny one, was a laugh like huh, you know funny one. You know fist bump like right at the point Yeah, I got some points. That's a pretty clever. No, do you look at me like I was like oh my goodness That's me going my record I'm gonna be at the gates, you know, oh real quick. Let's pull up your record real quick, right? Here's a joke you made Yeah, is that funny? Did you think that was funny? Really? to be at the gates, you know? Oh, real quick, let's pull up your record real quick. Right. Here's a joke you made. Is that funny? Did you get those funny? Really?

You know what I'm saying? Oh man, did you guys see on the forum, the hub hub that's got started? Oh, the hype around the new program. Yeah, so I had told the forum, or we'd be- I love the anticipation. Yeah, so we told the forum that we're coming out,

we're gonna about to release a new maps program. So people were like, so we told the forum that we're coming out. We're gonna about to release a new Maps program. So people were like, so excited, and then they're trying to guess what the program is, but some of them are funny. You wanna hear my favorite one? Let me hear it. Maps Apocalypse 2020. Maps Apocalypse.

It's trained like there's no tomorrow. It's just as a marketing team right there. Yeah, sir. Just, we're gonna get work out so you die. There is no tomorrow. So my butt is like maps, naps, because it's something we mentioned a while and a couple episodes ago.

A whole area. But no, all joking aside, they are very excited. And I guess we could talk about it. I'm excited. This has been, it's been over a year. Has it been a year, Doug?

Yeah, about a year. It's been a year, Doug? Yeah, about a year. It's been a year since we released a program. This is, I think, one of the longest stents we've gone without releasing a program, isn't it? It is. And in this one, really, we came out with to meet, we see a strong demand, which is another super effective maps program that requires no gym equipment.

So this is a pure suspension trainer workout program. Everything can complete like upper body, lower body core, phased reps, sets, the whole deal. So that's what we finished and it's gonna be out to the forum first, I should say that now. So we don't release it to the public until later. What's the deal with the data? First on Thursday.

Thursday. Okay, so this episode drops Tuesday, that forum will get first crack at it, and then of course, they get there. Now that being said, something that we've talked about, for well, first of all, we don't talk about the forum like we used to when we first started. When we first started, it was,

we talk about almost every other week about the community and we used to when we first started, when we first started, it was, we talk about almost every other week about the community and how it's been growing and what it's like in there. But for a newer audience, if you've been listening to us for less than a year, you know, the form is, in my opinion, one of the most valuable things that we offer, aside from the four of us being in there

and helping and supporting the community, we've collected some of the brightest minds in our space. So there's all kinds of doctors and nurse and physical therapist and a lot of trainers, a lot of trainers, a lot of brilliant minds in there. And just advance people that have been lifting for a long time, people that have gone through every single program. So it's such an incredible resource for people to use when they're going through any of the programs or if they need help and assistance with programming themself or they need assistance with putting

together a nutrition plan for them. I mean, that thing is just full of all kinds of great value. It was also fun conversations that happened in there, you know, people share memes and, you know, and debate things. Yeah, it's somewhat of an extension of kind extension of our intros here, I would say. Yeah, totally. But the forum gets, always gets first crack at new release programs, and then they do get a discount.

Although the program will be released at discount because it's a new launch, the forum gets an additional discount. It's they always do. Yeah, the forum always gets a little bit better deal than everybody, no matter what, even if it's a launch and a sale that we have going on. So if you're somebody who has multiple programs,

it pays for itself just to be in there for the discounts that you get on all the programs. Yeah, so because we're talking about it on the podcast, I think it's fair to say, to offer forum access at a really, really discounted price. So if you want to get in on the forum, and then also get discounts on new release programs like Maps Suspension, it's-

I heard there's a pretty handsome model in this one too. In this program. In this program. Yeah. Which is, yeah. Just, we decided to do that to really up the value. Yeah, he's, he's burly. Yeah. He's got some massive cakes. Yeah, he's, he's, he's burly.

He's got some massive cakes. Yeah. And handsome and a really good mobility watch this program. If this program sells more than any of the programs, dude, I don't know. We're going to have to pull all the other models out and replace the Justin going. I'm saying. Yeah. Well, here's a thing that support me specifically, you know, I would like to see that. Yeah, I want to ask, before I ask you guys, I want to know what your experiences with

working with suspension trainers. I know that was a later addition to the fitness market. Most of my career, I train clients and suspension trainers weren't really a thing. They weren't introduced until a little later. So I'd mentioned that I had spent a year pretty much going body weight specifically and only. And at the time, this is like right

when suspension trainers were kind of coming out and they weren't even allowed in a lot of gyms because gym owners thought, like, well, my equipment, my squat rack or anything is an anchor down to the floor, bolted down, like this is a liability. And so I see it in trouble using it with my clients like all over the place, but it was such a beneficial tool

for me because I could also bring it to people's houses, go outside with it, use it over like, you know, trees and, you know, it was very versatile. But the moves that you could do with it were like really intense and very, very effective. So I totally had a lot of benefit from using it. I wish that we had already launched this because I'd save somewhere between like 10 to 15 people already that are trainers that I've suggested this to. This is how I used it and it was really popular back when I was running boot camps.

As you can now get some of these suspension trainers for very reasonable, which by the way, we're gonna carry them ourselves for a really good deal. And I would buy them for enough boot campers and then I would run an entire boot camp center around them. So I've been telling a lot of trainers that have been looking for pivots like,

hey, I can't train indoors, our gym's closed down, I've been thinking about running a boot camp, what would you do, what are some model ideas, and using the suspension trainer is an incredible way to run boot camps outside because you could, like you said, Justin, you could up to, I mean, I remember we used to do the field goal post on a football field or tied to trees.

Like, it's really, really easy to strap it almost on anything and you can get an incredible full body workout. Yeah, so I didn't have a whole lot of experience with suspension trainers, then I had a trainer work for me in the later part of my career who was really big in them. And I, without much experience thought, I had a trainer work for me in the later part of my career who was really big in them. And I, without much experience thought, oh, this looks like a, it doesn't look like you can really make a workout that intense or create enough resistance.

One of the challenges with body weight or equipment for your exercises creating enough resistance for certain exercises, that is so not true with suspension trainers. And isolation exercises you could do with it as well, which can be hard sometimes with other modalities. Yeah, you really learn about how to manipulate leverage in. And a lot of these exercises, you can make really, really intense or you can actually pull off and kind of move away from the anchor and make it way less intense or vice versa depending on what exercise you're doing. So there's actually some exercises that I prefer that I prefer using suspension transfer

and some of them are silly. Like I like, you think they're silly. I love doing bicep curls with the suspension trader. I really like pulling my body forward with my biceps rather than just moving my hands. Totally, totally different feel. And of course, you know, when I adjust my body weight to make it harder or easier, it's almost like getting a little bit of the benefit of a chin up,

but with just for my biceps. Well, that's the other part of it. That's really great is that it's really easy to regress or progress a movement just by where you angle. Right, just by you stepping away from the suspension treatment further, you can make it more challenging,

stepping closer, you can make it easier, or vice versa. So I think regressing movements or progressing them, I think it's great. So talking more to the professional, right? So this is something that I've suggested, and I'll suggest it on the podcast, since I get a lot of DMs about business and fitness people that are trying to think of other ways.

The way I would do this is I would purchase X amount of suspension trainers myself, so I have them as a trainer and as a coach. And then the length of our program, I would sell a camp like that. So I would sell it for X amount of weeks for a specific price, and that reserves that person for that suspension trainer for the entire time of that camp.

A great way to model it that way versus kind of your traditional boot camp with Monday Tuesday or Wednesday Friday or whatever for a extended period of time or indefinitely. Instead of doing it like that, I would run the suspension trainer camps for the allotted amount of time that the actual program lasts and make that the price for, you know, the person to come in for the entire thing and that would include, and I would as a coach, I would wrap in whatever it cost me for the suspension trainer and my time for that a lot of time to price it outright. Well, totally. Well Doug just put up what he wants to offer for the forum.

So, if you want to be 75% off, Doug. That's it. Somebody's in into giving mood. So if you want to get access to the forum, so what is that price then, Doug? What does that come out to? 25 bucks. 25 bucks, you get a year access to the forum.

So it's normally almost $100. So there you go. And then if you're in the forum, you get discounts on launches. So MAP Suspension, for example, is going to be lower for the forum, you get discounts on launches. So, map suspension, for example, is gonna be lower for the forum than for almost- Which almost pays for the forum pricing itself just by doing that.

So, if you were even thinking about getting the suspension trainer, it's kind of a no-brainer to do that. Right, right, right. Hey, I wanted to ask you guys something. So, do you guys know of any like vegans that are famous, that are bad asses? Like Arnold.

Now is he, no, he's vegan? He can't put him in that. Just for game changers. Yeah. He said plant-based. It's like the next day after it came out, he's got all this like, biggest rib-on. Yeah, all this meat in his fridge.

I got somebody that you'll never guess. Who? You'll never guess. Because this person is terrifying. And they're totally against the stereotype of, now I look, I know that- I know a lot of endurance athletes, but I wouldn't necessarily call them bad athletes.

Yeah, well you can start, but I mean, you're sport. Yeah, if it's a good diet for you, you could still do just as well as anybody else. So I know that, but there's always that stereotype where Mike Tyson. No, he's not. What? He's been vegan for 10 years.

What? Yes. Wow. He's been vegan for 10 years. What? Yes. Wow. He's been vegan for 10 years. Dog fact checked that. That's not real. Is it for 10 years? He's been vegan.

How has that not been all over the vegan propaganda? Oh, yeah. How they not pull him in game changers. You're not going to add iron Mike. Yeah, you know what's funny about this? Remember, I don't remember who is he that he's boxing where he's like talking shit to him so he's going to eat his kids. Yeah. I'm going to eat you,? I don't remember, who is it that he's boxing where he's like talking shit to him, say he's gonna eat his kids? Yeah.

I'm gonna eat you, children. See, look at this. Mike Tyson is in Vegas since 2010. What? Yeah. I did not know that. I, no idea. Yeah.

I had no idea. I looked at it up. Children aren't vegan, right? The end of what does this say? Evendra Holyfield's ear. Yeah, that's not vegan. Yeah, yeah. He hasn't been in a day. He hasn't been very consistent. He's a little bit of a carn Holyfield's ear. Yeah, that's not big. Yeah, he hasn't been very consistent. He hasn't been very consistent. He's a little bit of a carnivore.

Yeah, yeah. I'm calling bullshit. And I mean, he's terrifying. I watched the videos of him train. Isn't he supposed to fight? Yeah, so Rogen's junior. Yeah, so they're planning on, I don't know when that's coming out. I think it's soon, but I mean, come on.

They weren't even in the same weight class. No, they weren't even in the same weight class. No. They weren't even in the same weight class. So was this gonna be that catch weight? What's the deal? Did you ever watch Roy Jones Junior fight? I thought he was supposed to fight. He only feels a little bit.

So he was my second favorite fighter. So when I was watching boxing was during his time and Mike Tyson's time, they were some of the most awesome fighters to watch fight. And you move like Ali a little bit. He was like real like, yeah, Roy Jones Jr. was a badass for sure. But that fight and now, I mean,

I'm assuming he must be a lot heavier and carrying himself kind of out of shape. I don't know about that. We both are. I thought he was like a welter weight, wasn't he? A welter weight or a little heavier? Did he fight like a heavyweight? He wasn't, no, welter way or a little heavier? Did he fight like heavyweight? He was definitely wasn't, no, he didn't,

I don't think he fought light heavyweight. Well, so he's 51 right now. So I just looked up as age, how old's Tyson? Is he also around that same age? He's 50, easily. So you guys, you see what's happening, right? Which by the way, I'm gonna circle back to the debate you had with me like four or five months ago.

Oh, it's just in count for us. Yes, it does count. Yes, it does count. This is just showing you, because you know who else is on that card? Yes. What's his face? The YouTube star guy.

Yeah, Logan Paul's brother. Yes, Jake Paul. Yes. That's it's, there's another one too. I don't even, I don't even pay attention to all of them. But every time I see one come out, I always say something to Sal about this. He's fighting some NFL player.

Yes, which is like, I'm just, this is the base palming the whole thing. This is the thing now, because these guys have so much pull on their social, they've got, they've got millions of people, and the truth is they're ain't shit on television right now, especially sports wise.

And so people are taking advantage of it. And what I think you're seeing with Tyson and these guys, these guys are all going, look at this, these no-name people or no-name boxers are making getting paid all kinds of money to box. Why the hell aren't we still doing it? So we only get one taste. So we got that one video of Tyson on Instagram,

like training what he had, like some snaps still in him and we're like, woo, but in terms of like being able to move like that for a long period of time, dude, I don't know. Well, one round, bro. Yeah, one round. Here's the thing you don't wanna see. This is the problem with old fighters,

is you don't wanna see them get knocked out really bad. That makes people feel, it does. It makes you feel really bad when you see an older guy. But here's the thing, this is the saying in boxing, and I've seen it in person. The last thing for a boxer loses his power. They keep their power for a long ass time. Yeah, what about foreman? What did he he was 40 he came up or yeah, when he was I mean he was bigger and heavier, but he he put the hurt on it. I've seen I there's a there's a video of a man who was 70 who was just putting the hurt on

Some 20 year old kid because you don't, because you don't lose your power. Yeah. But you got, you know, Roy, so, so considering that, right, that they still are hit hard. You got Tyson against Roy, Roy Jones, Jr. And if they make some clean shots, are people going to want to see that? You know what I mean? That could be nasty. Yeah.

How scary is that when a 51 year old gets knocked out? It's, uh, it doesn't end hard. year old gets knocked out? It's in hard, you know what I mean? It might get hard, it hurt pretty pretty damn hard. So tight, I'm still like, I can't believe it. So Tyson's been vegan for what 10 years. You go back to the vegan thing. Like, come on, dude. Yeah. Not if he eats ears, bro, and children. There's things that it's not count. Remember when he was, now do you guys know his history when he was younger and he used to raise pigeons? Yeah. You guys know this about him? No, tell me. So he used to raise pigeons. This is know this about him? No, tell me. So he used to raise pigeons.

This is when he was a really young boxer. Maybe even before or during the time he trained with what's his name, Amata, what's his name? Can't remember his name. Anyway, he used to have pigeons as pets. That was like a thing for him. So he's always loved animals. I'm surprised there hasn't been like a vegan protein

company that hasn't jumped on him right away. Yeah, you would think having a big name or he owns it, you know, because I mean, he got into the the weed business for sure. So he's big, yeah, in the marijuana space, but yeah, you'd think so. He's such a big celebrity to endorse something like that. I actually got in a conversation with somebody over vegan protein versus, or plant protein versus animal protein, because the studies show that on a gram per gram basis, animal protein is more effective.

In other words, you'd have to eat more plant protein to equate to the same amount of, to equate to the same kind of muscle protein synthesis and that kind of stuff that you get from less animal protein. But if you have a high protein diet, it's all a wash. So this is the discussion I had. I said, look, when they compare the two, what they usually are comparing is a single-sourced plant

protein versus a single-sourced animal protein. Oh, really? Yeah. So not really fair. Well, I guess it is fair. Well, would you say that's the number one thing that anyone who is shopping for a vegan protein that that's what they should be looking for?

Multiple sources. For multiple sources. Yeah, you wanna see a blend because what they do is, so here's a problem with vegan proteins, is they tend to be lower in the branch, sugar amino acids and lower in essential amino acids. They're from a single source. From a single source.

Now, some single sources are not bad. Like pea proteins got a decent amino acid profile. But even if you compare pea protein to way protein or egg protein, it's still, egg and way are still superior. But if you combine pea protein with rice protein and hemp protein and others. Then you start to, they can complement each other

with the amino acid profile and you get something that is exceptional. So when it comes to vegan proteins, you gotta look at the whole story. So then if you do find one that has a blend like that and you compare it to way, is it like a literally splitting hair difference? It starts to get to splitting hairs.

Now it might make a difference if you're protein and take as low, but if you're following the 0.6, 0.8 grams of protein per pound of body weight, which is what studies show that your protein and take should be at if you wanna maximize, you know, muscle growth and that kind of stuff. If you're in that high category, that high protein and take category,

then it's splitting here. And here's the other thing too. A lot of people choose vegan proteins for either two reasons. One, because they don't like eating animals, they don't like doing, you know, it's a moral thing, right? It's a morality thing for them. And the other main reason, same,

this is the reason why I use vegan protein powders. I have an intolerance to dairy protein. So, way protein for me messes up my stomach. So I've had a lot of people that didn't know that they have that issue until they actually tried a vegan protein. So I've had a lot of people that didn't know that they have have that issue until they actually tried a vegan protein. So you should not be. It's good to experiment anyways. Well, I didn't. I didn't. And I noticed it when I've been using way a lot, where I've had a lot of dairy in my diet. And then I'm also using that. I do notice a little bit of

bloat from it and water retention. And so that's how I try and go back and forth between it. I still enjoy my way, but then I always keep a vegan protein powder available so I can kind of go back and forth. Well, my way or the highway. Thanks, Justin. Yeah, well, it's okay. We make people make jokes in our space about protein farts. Yeah.

Like, oh, I eat a lot of protein. Because we have to. Yeah, therefore, I'm going to have, in fact, when I was a younger trainer, I thought this was actually just a common side effect. And that's how I'd gauge my protein intake. It's like, oh, they smell. Ooh, that's too ripe. Yeah, I mean, I'm eating good and not my protein.

Oh, it doesn't smell. I need to bump up my protein. Perfect amount of muscle. Yeah, that's actually false. You should not have putrid smelling farts. So furious. Yes. If you're getting really, really bad smelling farts from your protein powder, you have an intolerance.

It's not because you're having protein. Yeah. You know what I mean? Listen up, bros. Yeah, it's a totally false thing. Did you guys hear about ancestry.com, getting purchased by Blackstone Investment Group? What? Yeah. Wait a minute. Hold on. Blackstone Investment Group. What? Yeah.

Wait a minute, hold on. Blackstone Investment Group, like, I'm not privy. What are they exactly? What's just an investment group? Oh, okay. Yeah, so just think about all of that data is now being 100% transferred to an investment company. Oh.

Like, think about that. Everybody's gave their DNA samples. And so, like, think about, like, genetically, like, how much information they have, they just sold off. So what's your theory? Do you think that they're doing that to use it to sell to them? They can do whatever they want with it.

It's theirs. They just purchased, I know, but what's the theory? Why would you go buy something like that? If you're a Blackstone investment group, why would you go get, it paid probably a, I'm sure. So let's think about that. Yeah. What are some scenarios Group, why would you go get it paid probably up? I assume. Well, let's think about that. Yeah. What are some scenarios you think they can use?

Here's one. Now, I don't know how legal it is or how people who signed up for ancestry, if they signed a waiver that said that this is allowed, but let's say it is for, for argument, or why would you buy it? Right. Well, what I mean is maybe they could sell the DNA to life insurance companies, medical insurance companies, think about it that way, right? So if you're a medical insurance company and you're gonna cover somebody, and you look at their DNA and you see,

oh, pretty supposed for this, pretty supposed for that, you're gonna pay a higher rate. But what do you mean? I have never had a heart attack. Actually, your DNA says that you're a high risk. Or like a pharmaceutical company. It has the answer for some of their issues, right? So now that makes sense to me now, right?

If you have their DNA and you could see what's going on, then you could sell to a pharmaceutical company who could direct market right to them. And to me, it's kind of a workaround too, because of all the regulations, like we were talking about with Google even in Fitbit, where they get into an issue with digital health data that they're, you know, they have it their disposal.

So this is like, you know, you could trace back all kinds of things genetically. Now again, where do you guys stand on this? Is it a thing you, are you feel like you're infreting that? I mean, if people were unaware that their stuff was gonna get sold off, I have a problem with it. Right, me too. I think if you released it and you said,

yeah, you can do whatever you want, sell it, that's okay. Yeah, but you know how this works. You know how this works down days. It's like a release, like when Facebook gets you to sign up the first time, if they sold it, you better believe that they probably have somewhere in there that they have the rights to this information now. So you probably already gave that up,

or else it wouldn't make any sense for them to sell it off to a company like that if they can't use it. So go ahead and just be aware. But I just think they need to really expose that ahead of time. But then again, I'm playing devil's advocate here because on the other side you have, hey, if I had something, the disease or I'm battling something and there's a pharmaceutical drug

that's out there that could help me me and I didn't even know about it and now I'm being marketed by the... Think about that, do I not like that? Think about the problem? Yeah, but think about the fear-based marketing. You imagine that? You get an e-mail. Yes.

Hey, Adam Schaefer, we, you know, some access to your DNA, your chances of getting cancer are actually pretty high. We looked at your DNA. Oh my God. So if you would like to pay for treatment, pre-treatment or what? Oh, shit. You're predisposed to this and that and the other. You looked at your DNA. Oh my God. So if you would like to pay for treatment, pre-treatment or what, oh shit. You're predisposed to this and that and the other.

You should probably buy this. You know what the problem with that, by the way, is we don't know enough about DNA yet to even go there. Like, because you have DNA, but then you have how it's expressed because of lifestyle. Or they could clone you. Yeah, oh, well, that's such a great movie.

Hey, yeah. You imagine that? Yeah, all your, like, they have access, like all that's such a great thing a great movie that way. Yeah, you imagine that yeah all your like They have access like all the DNA there that they start like making other people Whoa, yeah, there goes your conspiracy I think it worst case scenario We need yeah, we need to break into so-and-so's house. How are we gonna do that? They got the greatest security. Don't worry We have a clone. It's just like them You know that's same fingerprint everything kill the president replace it with the clone They got the greatest security. Don't worry, we have a clone. It's just like them. Yeah. That's it.

Same fingerprint, everything. Yeah, kill the president, replace it with the clone, no one will ever know. Are you guys staying up and up on the social media wars that are going on like usual? So you have, I know that was it TikTok? No, no, excuse me, it was. It just happened.

It looked like it was getting banned. It's happening. So listen, you have Snapchat who is now releasing advertising like things like headspace that you'll start getting through there. You've got TikTok who was supposed to get banned. Now is talking to Twitter. So Twitter potentially might buy them. What are their social media news

that I've seen right now? That's what I was the other one. That would be a big merger. Oh, huge, huge if TikTok. But I thought it was originally supposed to be Microsoft. Yeah. Some American... In American company has to buy them before they're banned.

Oh, that was the other ones. And Instagram just released real. Have you guys seen real? So it's the difference between real and insta story. Well, it's quick little, it's supposed to be like TikTok. It's their answer to TikTok. So do they have dance move stuff in bed in it? It's gonna have all that.

Yeah, it's gonna have a little. A little lowered. Yeah, what are all we're getting rid of that? Yeah, because all those nurses and doctors are like, oh, what about you dude, TikTok's gonna be banned. You can go to Instagram now. Now we have an answer for you. Yeah, those some of those are so, you know,

maybe I'm old, but they're cringey, I'm sorry. If you're over 20 something and you're doing, you know, TikTok videos, oh great, you're gonna get sucked in by your daughter one day and you're gonna feel bad for saying that. Well Oh great, you're gonna get sucked in by your daughter one day and you're gonna feel bad for saying that. Well, I'll do anything for her. Well, there you go. But you're not gonna see me on there like, you know,

dancing like, maps aesthetic. Man, Santa Claus. dumbbells versus bulls. Well, that is because, you know, this is why. Who's, wait. This is why I think it's hilarious. You know, I blame Gary Vee for this, right? Cause Gary Vee I feel like has such an influence on business operators today.

And so he says something like, everybody should be on TikTok because it's the new platform. And you know, every 40-year-old that's like, fuck, another one I gotta keep up with. You know what I'm saying? You do the mockery, then. And then they just started, they started doing it.

I'm going like, oh my God, dude, I bet you don't get a single sale from that it you might be losing sales It's if you're over 40 and you're doing TikTok. There's a good chance you're losing sales to your business I'm just gonna put it out there. I'm gonna counter Gary V's point. Yeah Hey, have you guys ever tried? I hope I'm pronouncing it right why you stay why you why you why you? Yeah, that was wagyu dog. What is ityu? Wagyu? Wagyu? Wagyu? Yeah, I thought it was wagyu, Doug. What is it? Wagyu. Wagyu? Say anything again? Wagyu. Is that Japanese? Wagyu, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Expensive beef. So I went... Well, I've had it, but I'd... So I've never really eaten like a nice cut of it, right? I've sampled it here and there, but I'm... And now why? Because it's silly, the price is silly. It doesn't make any sense. Like, 300 bucks or $200 something dollars for six ounces in sane, right? So I went to have steak with Jessica over the weekend, we went to Alexander's. You guys are we there?

Yeah, it's really good. So they had this special, they come out and they're like, we got this special going on, six ounces of Japanese imported YGU steak for 115 bucks, which is like a killer. So it's the first time I ever, you ever had have you ever tasted this? I thought we had it at your belt like melts. Did we yeah? We had it your birthday. I was really drunk Yeah, we had it your birthday that was still to this day I don't know if I can I can say I've had a better stake than that

Yeah, right. Yeah, that's what was it? Bizarre meat. Yeah, that's right. Bizarre meat. You guys are drunk, too. I know. But literally, it's like it's meat made out of butter. I don't know how to explain it. Melt in your face. Remind me. Now is this the age, how old the cow is, or is it the massage, the beef?

I looked it up. Okay, tell me. So now can I massage the cow? No one's serious. I think they do shit like that. Oh no. This is the deal. Yes, so it's a special by the way There's only a I think three thousand of these cows or something like that's like a small number from Japan that they have So they first off there a special breed. Mm-hmm. Then they They feed them a special diet that includes beer so they also feed them beer

Then they give them the best life. Then they do deep tissue massages. See, I do it. On these cows, in order to encourage marbling, and then here's the part that I think is kind of sad, I think they limit their movement because they don't want the muscle to get to develop them tough or whatever.

So they rub them down, feed them beer. So then what you get, and I learned this after eight to meet, okay, everybody, so calm down. The meat is like marbled, like you've never seen before. It's, when you look at the meat, you know, normally you look at a piece of steak and there's like some fat and then all red muscle. And so it's like, it's perfectly uniformed,

marbled fat all the way through. And then when they cooked it and it comes down, you eat it, it literally melts in your face. It's insane. Six ounces too was very filling because it was so rich. Oh wow. You know what I'm saying? Amazing stuff. But probably the last time I'll order, I don't know, we'll see. Really? Are you gonna pull, yeah, because I need to learn more about how they restrict the movement. Oh yeah, look how perfectly marbled that is. Wow. Look at that dude. Isn't that insane? Look

at that one. Three hundred bucks. Yeah. You're three hundred bucks. You'll get like eight ounce meat for three hundred bucks. You know what I mean. What cut did you have? Did you have a rib eye or do you have a flay? Would you have? I don't know what the hell it was. You didn't know it was? It was just why you. This is hell explode. I just got so far you.

Anyway, dude, I got some notice from my kid's school that they, what's going on you guys? Are they going to be out this year? Okay, so here's the deal. So far, we know that they're out until there's certain criteria, I guess, that the governor came up with in here in California, but they also are asking, yeah, Governor Newsom's,

for my guy, he's my guy. They also asked us if we would be okay with distance learning for the whole year. I know, dude. I don't know how I feel about that. I talked to some other parents, and we were discussing like, you know, what we're gonna do,

because I said, you know, I understand the whole risk of COVID, which although COVID's risk seems to be extremely low for children, the fear is that they'll spread it to other people. Right. So, okay, I understand that, whatever, but we also need to consider the other health issues

that may cause kids during very developmental years. I mean, their brains are developing and a big part of the brain's development has to do with social interaction. What kind of effects are we gonna see, we're not gonna know this for years, by the way. No one's gonna know for years, what are we gonna to see? We're not going to know this for years, by the way. No one's going to know for years. What are we going to see later on in terms of, you know,

if kids had a year or two years with minimal social. I wonder how much, because I feel like we've already been conditioning in this direction. When you look at the way kids use social media now, and remember when, yeah, but this is extreme. I know, I know, but I feel like we're already conditioning in that direction anyways.

Remember when Enzo first started working for us like two years ago or whatever, and he told me, he shared that story with me about how you would talk to a girl at a party. Like that was just why you first asked her for a party. Yeah, it was. So it's so scary.

Yeah, yeah, she'd be across the house. You see, I want to go talk to her, but before you go do that, the first thing you do is you friend request her on Facebook. If she then accepts it, then you can then say something to her. If she responds to that, then you go over and you walk into her Instagram or something. Right, right. So I mean, these kids that are going through school right now, I feel like have been so

conditioned for being almost anti social as it is. so here's the thing though, they still went to school for six to seven hours a day. I know, I know, I know. We're still in playing recess. We're still with kids in the classroom. Constantly talking to each other. Yeah, and now he, look, okay, so Jessica is an adult, right? She's not working, she's at home.

She doesn't get the opportunity to go meet, see, at least get to see you guys when we record. She's at home all the time and she likes alone time. She's one of those people she enjoys that, but she tells me how much it affects her. Now you're talking about kids who can't really express, they might even be aware that it's affecting them negatively. That's what I think.

I think a lot of kids don't even realize. And it's developmental. These are the developmental years for kids. You know, my daughter is in, she's gonna be in fifth grade, so half of fourth grade, and now, let's say, potentially all of fifth grade, not being around a lot of kids most of the time.

I mean, we might be able to schedule a play day here and there, but that's not the same as being at school every day around 30 kids in the classroom and seeing your friends and having conversations and figuring things out with your friends at recess and talking about this kid. And oh, we got to figure out this problem. Let's play four square. Let's do this thing over here.

Answer questions with a teacher. Have discussions. None of that, right? There's got to be some, some, some, some, some, who knows what the effects are going to be, but I think they're going to be negative. Oh, yeah. No, I've been talking about this with Courtney a lot as of late too, because it's like, how do we handle this? And, and you're right, there's, there's just a totally different

benefit to having them just immersed in with all, like kids, because they come up with their own, you know, nuanced languages between the two, you know, everybody kind of has their own lingo and can communicate things and they're figuring things out together as opposed to just getting everything from mom and dad and you know, and then us like trying to figure out how we can then schedule them to hang out with their friends. It's a struggle. Now, let's say this is what, let's say this is what's going to happen and your kids are not going back to school at all of next year.

What are some of the things that you guys as parents are having conversations around, are you, what are you gonna do? Let's see, because right now I feel like everyone's hoping the school's gonna do something. At sooner or later, you all get accept that the school ain't gonna do shit. It's gonna be on you as a parent to figure this out,

to make sure this doesn't really negatively affect them long term. What are some of the things you guys have talked about potentially doing? So there's a group of six or seven parents with kids that are like friends with my oldest and then we're trying to collect a couple other groups of parents for my youngest.

And just to see, we're still gonna be going off the curriculum that they're providing from the school initially, but we're trying to then organize them to trade off which parent does the teaching for that particular day. And then we're going to kind of try and rotate. Like a pod. Yeah, like a pod. So yeah, it's like a little micro school

that they're all going to hang out and do their thing. And then also we'll have recess where they go, you know, you know, do like exercise and sports and things like that. A lot of parents are doing that. A lot of parents are getting together with like four kids, you know, five kids, and then one parent will watch them while they do the online class together,

and they still respect, the people I've talked to still do the respect to social distancing in terms of the six feet apart, kids wear masks, still. Yeah, you can do all that kind of stuff. You can still do that. No masks, I'm gonna make sure that the kids, get to see their friends on a one-on-one basis

on a weekly basis, like really make it an effort, otherwise they're gonna be at home all day long. I do make sure that my kids go on two walks a day, I take them in the garage, I train them. And because they're on screens way more than they were before, blue light blocking classes, because that can be damaging to the eyes. So I got my daughter a pair, got my son a pair. This is what you're going to wear while you're doing the class.

They are also, I'm going to treat it a little bit more formally. So like last year, it was like my son was on his bed, you know, doing the school thing. I'm gonna have a desk, they're gonna wear, and like they're going to school, but they're gonna do it there. Just to create a little bit more structure or normalcy, I guess around it.

Well, it hits smart too, and what's cool is, there's a little bit more flexibility with it because there's certain subjects that like my kids like just blaze through, it comes super easy and natural to them. And so to spend that like extra amount of time on those things doesn't make sense. It's like they get the work done, cool, move on.

You spend the most time on the difficult ones for them. And so it'll be great to kind of hone in on what those things are and really like help them. Well, I feel like the most important part is actually, and you alluded to it, but then I feel like at neither one of you really addressed the answer to it, is the play, the interactive play together, because I mean, sitting in a classroom with a teacher versus sitting at home watching it, yeah, a little bit of a difference, the interaction of raising your hand and answering questions, but I don't feel like that's where the, I feel like the huge miss is what happens when

no teachers are involved and kids have to interact with each other on a playground and decide, you know, who they're going to pick first, what games are going to play, organizing each other, like to me, that is the part that is going to be the most challenging and maybe the most detrimental if we don't find a way to address that. Yeah, yeah, I'm making that a priority, 100%. And you know, kids are outside, so I think other parents are not as afraid about, you know, transmitting any potential COVID or whatever. You keep the group small for five kids.

And I'll tell you what, if you're a trainer and you're looking for work right now, I guarantee you. Perfect opportunities. Huge a huge market. One thing to look at, what Justin just said about the pods is also what I've been experiencing. And I guarantee you parents all over the country you're doing this. And I guarantee you that if you have four or five kids

meeting together for a pod, that they would be more than happy to spend $80 an hour for a trainer to come and take the kids through an hour of recess or exercise or fun stuff or whatever. That's not 80 bucks divided by five parents is nothing. I guarantee you'll find tons of work that way. Yeah, and then add to it. Like my dad went through the whole process of,

getting qualified and certified to be a wood shop teacher in like a skills teacher. And so I'm actually using him in some of these pods to then teach these kids like age-appropriate projects. So they're also like learning and developing a skill set with their hands on top of the education part of it. So it's an opportunity I see to get more creative and invest more time into like real specifics that your kids may be interested in. That's a cool idea right there.

So let's play this game for a minute here because let's pretend I'm the trainer who's out of work right now. I'm targeting you guys as parents. Like what would you like to like the thing that comes in mind based on what you just said Justin and what you're saying Sal is like. I would present to you guys like this, you know, hour with me, either every day or three days a week, and maybe one day is like fitness focus, maybe one day is a project, maybe I'm building a sandbox one day or like, they're doing something, you're using math, it's like a applied math.

So I had like, what would you like to see from me as a trainer to implement besides just play? Fitness games, you're not gonna have them do squats and pushups and stuff like that. No games, you're not gonna have them do squats and pushups and stuff like that. Yeah, no kids, you don't like that. Fitness games, so like... Relays.

Relays, tag, steal the bacon. Just different types of games. You're the ones who like to... Yeah, balance on one foot, who could pick up the most flags before the other foot cools down. You get a prize, just fitness games that get the kids to play and be active.

That's the most effective. Because it's hard to keep kids' attention for an hour if you're like, all right, 10 push-ups, all right. After the second or third session, the kids would be like, I don't want to do that. Yeah, it's got to be fun. It's got to be fun. And that's the point is it to be fun and interactive.

Just coat pointing and doing 10 push-ups and I don't think that's really helping them social and interact. It would be something, I don't think that's really helping them social interact. It would be something, I would wanna do something where they're more involved than it, where they have to create or come up with or lead it, and I'm just kinda overseeing it. That's it, and because you're a trainer

and you have a fitness background, you're qualified to take the kids through these types of activities. I would have no problem hiring somebody to do something like that. This Claws brought to you by Organify. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, Organify fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance-the-added edge.

Try Organify totally risk-free for 60 days by going to organify.com That's a large a NIFI dot com and use a coupon code mine pump for 20% off at checkout All right, a first question is from Kyle D Thomas I know you're not fans of wrist straps because of losing the potential grip strengthening What about chalk liquid liquid, or powder? My hands tend to sweat a lot, and the chalk helps with that. But I don't want to hinder my grip. Strengthening. Yeah, no. Chalk isn't going to hinder your grip strengthening. It's going to help you actually be more connected to the weights because the weight isn't slipping, especially if you

have really slippery sweaty hands. I remember the first time I used chalk, so obviously growing up in the gym business, all the gyms I worked out in the early days, band chalk. So I never actually never had access everywhere. I'd never seen them, right? Never seen chalk, didn't really use it, worked down the gym. If my hands would sweat, I'd work gloves sometimes,

and otherwise I didn't use anything at all. And then I went to a hardcore gym and saw that they actually had community chalk on the workout floor. And it was chalk on the floor. I loved it. I was like, oh, this is cool. Let me try this.

I've never used this before. Use it on my hands. And I had a much better workout. Now, it wasn't, and I used chalk, by the way, if I'm pressing even. So chalk, a lot of times people say, oh, it's to prevent your grip from slipping so you can hold on to more weight when you deadlift or pull heavy, which is true, but it also gives you better connection to the weight in my opinion, which is why I like to chalk my hands when I do,

you know, presses or when I do laterals or any movement, it just makes me feel more connected to the way. I get the best workouts with it. And I say I have all my clients chalk their hands when I would train them, even my elder clients. Well, I wanna address too, that we're not anti-risk straps either. Like I've talked about using them. I think it's just, it's being mindful of it, right?

It's turned into like a, a, a, your attire now, right? Like it's a, it's like, no become a fashion thing where you wear straps or you're a tire now, right? Like it's like, you know become a fashion thing where you wear straps or you wear a belt all the time. Like that's what I think all of us would agree that we're anti, right? I think wearing a belt, doing all kinds of, you know, machine exercises and cable exercises is ridiculous or wearing it all the time, even on squatting.

Like you should definitely train yourself to be able to squat and deadlift without a belt too. In fact, you should be able to do that 80 to 90% of the time without a belt. It doesn't mean that there is in a place for you to utilize some of these tools. These tools have value, and there's a lot of different examples where you can use them.

It's just more about being mindful of not becoming dependent on it because in real life, you're never going to be walking around with your belt strapped around you or wrist straps strapped around you. And that's the point is to be strong in real life, not just when you go to the gym. And it's for safety reasons to protect yourself. If you can deadlift and you've never deadlifted before without a belt or wrist straps and then you think you can lift 400 pounds because you do it in the gym all the time with wrist straps, and then you hurt yourself with 200 pounds because you can't hold on to the grip of whatever it is that you're picking up because you

totally misjudged it because you've never trained without it. So for me, it's like 80% of the time, I'm not using tools like this, but 20% of the time to insert it into my training every once in a while, I don't have a problem with either one of those. Yeah, I didn't get exposed to chalk. I was in college and training, you know, with the strength coaches and I saw chalk there. And I used to actually wrist traps a lot when I used to power clean because that was, you know, something that I saw everybody do. And I thought that was just kind of a part of it in order to, you know, keep, keep a nice

tight grip, but it was very surprising to me what chalk provided in terms of security of my grip going, especially barbell training. So if you haven't done chalk with barbell training, it's at completely different feel where you do feel like you have a lot more control of the lift. Yeah, liquid chalk is pretty good too. It's not bad. It's not quite as good as powder, but you're not allowed to use powder chalk.

I know, and hardly any gyms. Yeah, none of them. So, I mean, I work out my garage. I can use whatever I want, but when I go to the gym, I get liquid chalk and some of them aren't bad. Some of them aren't bad, but it's not quite as good as normal chalk.

Here's the thing with wrist straps that you need to consider. Like a belt, it changes muscle recruitment patterns. It does. Studies will show that it changes how the patterns of your muscles work. So it not only prevents your grip, potentially from getting as strong as it can. It also changes recruitment patterns that you get better at lifting with wrist straps and worse at lifting without them. This is not necessarily, this is not a good thing if you want your strength to transfer into the real world.

So people use wrist straps all the time are doing themselves, you know, a big disadvantage. Well, I also found after using wrist straps for so long, you know, power cleaning that my wrist got really weak and dependent on, just because of the support that it was also providing my wrists with these lifts. And so I had to retrain the way that I was able to catch the bar

and get my wrists strong enough to then provide that stability. Yeah, now here's the thing too. Your hands have tremendous capacity for strength. I think that there's a bit of a misconception that the hands are the weakest link, therefore you need wrist straps because your back is so much stronger than your hands.

For 90% of you listening right now, that'll never happen if your hands are trained properly. You know, we did evolve from primates. Our hands can be tremendously strong. I've pulled my max dead lifts without wrist straps and it's almost never do my hands getting the way, but it wasn't always like that. You know, when I use wrist straps and it's almost never do my hands getting the way but it wasn't always like that. You know, when I use wrist straps and I finally took them off, it took me about a year, no joke of getting my hand.

It took a while. It took a while to get my hand grip and grip strength up to par to keep up with the rest of my body. Next question is from MiniFig. Cold exposure therapy is said to have many health benefits. Would taking a cold shower be a good alternative to doing an ice bath? Does your body need to hit a certain temperature in order for the benefits to be activated? Cold showers are phenomenal.

Yeah. It depends on what you mean by benefits. Now, a cold shower is nothing like an ice bath. An ice bath is a whole different level Are they talking about like cold shock proteins? I know like Dr. Ronda Patrick talks about Yeah, it's all heat shock proteins and cold, you know all the all of the physiological things that happen with cold You know what it reminds me of it reminds me of fasting so when you look at fasting We can look at all the physiological benefits, but honestly, the best benefits from fasting

are the psychological or spiritual benefits that you have. Same thing with the cold therapy, whether it's cold shower or the extreme cases ice bath. Yes, there are physiological changes that happen. Yes, your body learns to acclimate. I mean, it's like training a muscle, your body's ability to acclimate to cold or hot, is something that you can strengthen and improve, and because we're always in air-conditioned

heated rooms, we don't ever train them. But the real benefit is learning to be okay with being uncomfortable. That's the big, big benefit. I have something to add to that. Just based on my experience with, you know, then ice bath in general. and like I really trying to mill it over and understand like what I really got out of it besides all like the science and how they're explaining it and everything really to me, it was access to that parasympathetic state where I can find my way to calm in, you know,

an extreme environment. So if I'm immersed all the way in, like my natural tendencies to squeeze and brace as hard as I can, and that restricts your breathing. And so to not be able to breathe is a problem under those conditions. And to be able to calm, I could breathe normal. And my body was more resilient once I was in the current state.

So it was just totally psychologically benefited. I would challenge that though, Sally, even more, then I don't think it's just a mental like fasting where that's the main benefits. When I started doing the hot cold contrast, I noticed a significant difference in the resiliency that I had to like the common cold. I used to get sick all the time.

And I know Wim Hof talks a lot about this. And this is my, of course, my personal experience, right? But this is what I've seen with people that I've got on at the same way too, is your ability to be able to handle the extreme changes in temperature. It's you're teaching your body to adapt to that and become very good at that.

And if it's very good at that, when we head into things like winter time, your body adapts, it handles that. When I think when most people are susceptible to getting sick, it ain't no big deal for you. So I find that being one of the most beneficial things about it. Well, study support that.

People who do ice baths or you sonas or do cold showers do get less infections every single year. Now, the problem with that is I've looked at the studies and they did control for all these factors, but it's really, really hard to control for the healthy bias factor. And what I mean by that is the person who spends the time to do these things also probably leads a healthier life.

That's also why I use me as an example is that I've worked out in a gym for 20 years and been what I would say quote unquote a healthy person and didn't start to implement that till we all got together and like we learned about the benefits of hot cold contrast training and when I started to do it, it was when we had the podcast. I mean, I don't know if you remember the first year

of podcasting together, I'd get sick all the time. It was like my whole life I've been that way, I just assumed that, and I assumed that I was just that way as a kid, and then I assumed that, oh, I work in a gym now, and I'm touching weights, and I'm around people all the time. That's why I just get sick all the time. After I started using the hot cold contrast, it's, I mean, it was a dramatic difference for me,

and people that I've got to actually do it and be consistent, regardless if they would be quote unquote considered healthy already and making good choices, notice a big difference. Well, the studies do support that. They do support that. It's probably better for your immune system, better for resilience. I mean, it's something that people in some countries do

to the point where there's some Eastern. There's some Eastern European countries where it's snow is outside and for recess the kids they jump in the snow. They jump in the snow, they put bathing students on, I don't know what culture is, I know it's an Eastern European culture where it's totally customary when you give your baby no joke, a bath or whatever, you do a cold rinse at the end. With their children, they use with babies and with children.

Oh, you remember that with Kyle? Kyle's son had never even had a warm bath ever. They trained him from day one, that way of nothing, but cold water. And remember, don't you remember that? The first time he took him out to the ocean and we were talking about, oh my God, it's freezing. That's North Kalo.

Oh, remember that. Yeah, his kid, by the time he was three, four years old, had never even had a warm shower, but a warm bath before. Wow. Yeah, he'd only had him in cold the entire time. Wow, wow. There's also a study that shows that, this is a short term effect,

but if a man takes cold showers, his testosterone levels increase, I think over the course of 10 days, then they come back down to baseline, but you do get this initial boost into testosterone. That's another huge benefit that I think. I mean, do it. And watch how alert and awake

and how sharp you feel right afterwards. I mean, that's one of the, Tony Robbins is big on this, right? He does the plunge and jumps on the trampoline before all his talks. That's like one of his rituals that he does. Better than any nitro effect. Oh, no, it'll wake you right up.

And back to the original question with the showers do a great job. Yes It's it's nothing compared to cryo or an ice bath But I'd tell you what if you end Every morning with a you know the last minute to two minutes all the way cold no warm water at all You'll see bit you'll see a big difference just from doing that alone. Next question is from Tyler Mcnutrition. Any tips on knowing when to push a client to do more reps and when to back off? How do I know the difference between true physical exhaustion or them mentally giving up? Well, so here's the thing when you're training clients, you're training both physical, strength and durability and also their mental,

their ability to withstand pain and to handle the training. And honestly, it doesn't matter, which one, when I would train clients and I knew they could do more reps, but I knew that they mentally couldn't do more reps. I knew physically they could do more, but mentally they were breaking down.

That's okay, we'll stop the set. And then what I do is gradually, slowly over time, I'll challenge that. Same thing if it was a physical limit. I'll gradually challenge that over time. But when you're training your clients, make no mistake, you're training the mental part as much or more than the physical part.

Oh, this is, we kind of addressed this, not that long ago, about where we would use the slowing down the tempo. So here's an Oh, this is, we kind of addressed this not that long ago about where we would use the slowing down the tempo. So here's an example, like, when, if I'm like wondering, oh, gosh, can I push my clients or add more weight or add more repetitions, what I'll do is all, instead of risking that, because obviously if I add more weight or add more volume to the workout, I'm technically could put them at risk. And if I'm concerned about that at all, I'm always going to go in the direction of slowing down the tempo and going that way first

before giving them more in the workout, whether that be more sets and more reps or more weight, I'll challenge them that way and you can still get the mental benefits of pushing them through that. I think this is why this is like such a more intimate experience than people realize because we're so, like as trainers, the good ones really try to hone in on everything that makes this person tick in terms of their body language. You know, their energy levels, the feedback

they're giving you verbally, like you're picking up on all these cues constantly as you're presenting them, these challenges. And so you can start to read them really well, based off of like whatever they're dealing with at work, or the conversation where that's going, okay, they're really high stress right now. And so you just start adjusting things for them

without really them having to say it. Once you get really in tune with that person, and I just think that that's all part of the experience of training somebody is to really look further into the signs of what they're providing you. And so you got to be very present in those sessions with that person to do a good job with that, but it's experimental. So I mean, you're gonna see the wind scene and all these signs of pain and discomfort and all that,

and so you kind of back off, and then you could tell if they're faking it or if it's something like that, you could kind of joke about and kind of make them more comfortable with and educate them on, well, let's kind of push a little harder or back off or you're just going to know a lot more than them because they're providing you all the future.

Yeah, it's funny, it just remembered this. This is a skill you develop as a trainer. And clients would always comment on this. In fact, my son did a few weeks ago where I was training him and I'll say something like seven more reps. And he'll be like, oh, I could do way more than that, but let's stop at seven. And then he'll get to seven. He'll be like, how did you know? How did you know I could only do seven more? And clients would say that to me all the time to see what I were moving. How do you always know that I can only do this many or how many reps I could do? You

can. And it's a very hard, it's hard to explain how you could tell there's other So cues I can give you hints like so it's natural default what people will start to do is it gets it starts to get Challenging though speed up the repetition right yeah, so they they go like maybe you told them you know I have four seconds on the way down to you know you're kind of you tell me start making more noises yeah Yeah, right or they'll start the formal deviate, you know You start to see movement the elbows of the shoulders depending on what move or exercise we're doing. So, you seem starting to, you're trying to cheat for leverage.

And it'll be just the most subtle thing you'll see at first before it gets bad, right? But you start to see those, those subtleties of them starting to cheat or speed up. And I already know, okay, it's kicking in and feeling we've got maybe three or five more. And you've seen that enough times and you can pretty much guess that as a trainer. Yeah, it's always a lot of fun to be able to do that for Klants to be like, how? You're looking at magician. Yeah, no, I'm just a wizard.

Next question is from John Wilmoth. For each of you, what has been your favorite body weight and why? Your favorite body weight. Oh, geez. When you were the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the geez. When you were the the thick. Yeah. So I've my weight has been as high as 238. And I'd say, I mean, besides when I was a kid, as low as, I forgot my weight was when I got really, really shredded for maps and a ball. It must have been 182 pounds or something like that or 180 pounds, which is way too, it was way too lean, way too light, definitely didn't like that. 238 way too heavy.

I feel good when I'm at a good lean strong 195. That just feels the best for me. It's when my weight feels more, most comfortable. Uh, I'm typically pretty strong at that body weight. I'm lean enough to where I like the way I look. My mobility's good. Right now I'm sitting at to where I like the way I look, my mobility's good. Right now I'm sitting at, I don't know, 206, 207.

So I'm a good 12 pounds heavier than I would say in my favorite body weight. Yeah, that's kind of a hard question to answer because like you, Sal, I've gone extreme both ways. And that number fluctuates for me as light as a, I think I hit stage for nationals at 199 and then I've been as heavy as 240 and I could honestly say that everything between there and probably up to 230 is once I got beyond 230 that's too much it was uncomfortable even when I was like shredded it was uncomfortable. So between 200 and 2, 25 to 230, I've, I've, I've got a, I've been my happiest if that, like so, it just all depends on where my body fat is, my mobility is at that. I've had an incredible strength, low body fat, good mobility as high

as 230-ish. And then I've had the same thing all the way at the very bottom and so to pick a weight that I was happiest man. I really liked my first, after my first pro show I was 219 pounds and shredded and I felt pretty amazing. I wasn't uncomfortably big. I hadn't completely lost my mobility. Definitely filled out everything I was wearing. But then I've also been like 205, where you're kind of like what you're alluding to, Sal, I definitely felt more spray. I could go play a basketball

game. I feel like, right, when I get over 220, a lot of muscle, I don't feel like I can go hit the courts without potentially hurting myself or having a rough time. So somewhere between 205 and 220, I like anywhere in between there. If I'm maintaining a good body fat percentage, lower body fat percentage in my mobility up That's the thing too. Why I always tell clients don't get so hung up on a body weight target because I can literally show you the most mobile, the leanest version of you, at all those bodyweight. So it's really a personal preference of what's easiest to maintain, I guess, like eating wise.

That's one of the hard parts for me when I'm lean and big, to 20 something, that's a lot of food I gotta eat. So that's one of the drawbacks, even though I may like the way my body looks, it's expensive and time consuming. And clothes don't fit very well. When you're a big muscular guy, you ain't gonna wear a normal jeans.

You're wearing sweats, old double. That's all you're doing, old double. Yeah, for me, I based it off of what sport I was in at the time and how I felt. So I would always try to get leaner into basketball season, coming off of football season. That was always tough for me because I would just start to get leaner into basketball season, coming off of football season. That was always tough for me because I would just start to get lean

towards the end of the season. That's when I started getting my shot back and more athleticism. And I could run it up and down the court, light on my feet. But initially, I was just stomping around, just slamming everybody under the hoop. Because I was just so heavy,

just coming off of football. But it helped for football because the thing was, you would get pushed around, you would get punked. If I was like at my like 2, 10 or even something like that, where I was like, I felt like real athletic and spry, like I would just get punked. And so I had to get up to like 2, 30 to 2, 40, especially when I was inside back

or I had to put on a lot more weight. And I was just like not mobile, I was explosive, but not mobile and I felt like shit. So I would say like mine's probably around two 15 where I still feel like I have some power, but a lot more athletic and mobile. How far are you off from that right now? Sal's 12 pounds off from what he thinks.

What do you think? Well, I'm kind of between like two 27-ish around there. So yeah, see, I'm probably around, what I think I weighed myself through the day at two 18 or so. So I'm right there, but I'm not where I, the way I like the look, right? So my body fat percentage is higher. So that's why it's so different.

I can look at a different composition. Yeah, I can look at that. I can weigh the different at two 18, and I've seen myself look a bunch of different way. So it's funny too. If this question was asked when I was younger, I'd have a number 40. Yeah, yeah. I like being 240 feels the best.

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