Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1429: The Truth About Powerbuilding Workouts, When Zercher Squats Are Better Than Front Squats, Working Out for Fun & More

Episode Date: November 21, 2020

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the effectiveness of powerbuilding, the value a Zercher squat provides that a front squat doesn’t, the best program for someone who wants to maximize benefits while losing weight, and when it is advisable to go “off script” for the sake of fun when following a workout program. A wonderful practice of accepting the way things are. (5:12) Why black markets exist in the first place, the COVID impact & MORE! (6:55) Everyone is jumping on the Parler train. (19:57) New segment alert! The 3rd Rail with Sal Di Stefano. (23:04) Adam, the butt of the joke. (24:09) Banana pumpkin protein muffins by Organifi. (29:35) Studies with Sal. (32:34) How Public Goods is crushing amid the pandemic. (38:43) Recycling is NOT what it used to be. (41:02) Mind Pump Recommends, Wayne on Prime Video. (42:57) Soaking in the moments with your kids. (45:03) #Quah question #1 - How effective is power building? (49:24) #Quah question #2 – What value does a Zercher squat provide that a front squat doesn’t? I find the pain of the bar, in the crook of my arms for Zercher squat, limits the weight I can lift way before my muscle strength does. So, I wonder if I should front squat instead? (55:49) #Quah question #3 – What program would you recommend for someone who wants to maximize benefits while losing weight? I don’t want to lift just to maintain muscle. I want to improve other things at the same time. I’d imagine something like MAPS Performance would be good because it would help maintain muscle while also improving other athletic factors that won’t be minimized during weight loss. (1:00:23) #Quah question #4 - When following a program, when it is advisable to go “off script” for the sake of fun? (1:04:23) Related Links/Products Mentioned November Promotion: MAPS Ultimate At-Home Workout Bundle for Only $99.99 Conservatives flock to social network Parler amid misinformation crackdown Bret Weinstein and The Woke Movement – The 3rd Rail with Sal Di Stefano Joe Rogan Experience #1564 - Adam Alter Irresistible: The Rise of Addictive Technology and the Business of Keeping Us Hooked Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout** Having just ONE egg a day increases diabetes risk by 60%, study warns Visit Public Goods for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Receive $15 off your first Public Goods order with NO MINIMUM purchase** Is This the End of Recycling? Watch Wayne | Prime Video Powerbuilding: 4 Ways to Get Big and Strong | T Nation Build Your Legs with the Zercher Squat – Mind Pump TV MAPS Fitness Performance - Mind Pump Media MAPS Strong | MAPS Fitness Products - Mind Pump Media Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Robb Wolf (@robbwolf)  Twitter Bret Weinstein (@BretweInstein)  Twitter Adam Alter Branch Warren (@thebranchwarren)  Instagram Mike O'Hearn the TITAN (@mikeohearn)  Instagram

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salta Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You are listening to Mind Pump the Worlds, number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. It's a good time here. Look, today we answer fitness and health questions that are asked by our audience, but the first 45 minutes of this episode is an introductory portion. We pull up studies on nutrition, fitness, we talk about current events, we talk about random things as well. So I'm going to give you a breakdown of today's entire episode. We open up by talking about the purple tier. That's right. We're in purple tier now here in the Bay Area. That means everything's

closed again, which led us to talk about why black markets exist in the first place. This might be one of the reasons why. It might be a cause. Certain black markets are starting to prop up here. Then we talk about the controversy around the social media app parlor, more and more controversy around.

It's very interesting to us. Then I talk about this new segment on our YouTube channel where we talk about third rail topics. There's a new episode up there right now where I interview Brett Weinstein. It's not fitness related. Little edgy, yeah. Go check it out.

Then we tease Adam for mispronouncing things, and we've done that many times, what happened again. Then we talk about the pumpkin muffins that we had this morning made with organified protein. It's hard to believe these things are high in protein. And love. But they're really, really good. By the way, organify makes organic supplements,

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and then use the code Mind Pump for 20% off. Then I address the study that's going around, talking about how eggs cause diabetes, not really. Then we talk about eco-friendly products and direct to consumer products and companies, which includes one of our sponsors, public goods. If you want to shop online, get your stuff directly to your door at wholesale prices,

things that are eco-friendly and that mind the chemicals in their stuff. By the way, they sell everything from cleaning products and dog food and treats and all kinds of stuff. It ridiculously good prices. Go get the Mind Pump discount. This is what you do. Go to public goods.com forward slash Mind Pump and then use the code Mind Pump. Then we talk about recycling and how it's probably not happening anymore because China is not buying our stuff. It's just trash now.

And then Adam brought up a new series on Amazon Prime called Wayne. Then we got into the fitness question. So here's the first one. This person wants to know how effective power building is. This seems to be the combination of power lifting and body building. So we talk about its benefits and its detriment.

The next question this person says, what value does a zircher squat provide? Why can't I just do front squats? What's the difference? The next question this person wants to know what we think about programs that not only help you look fit but actually move and be fit. So we talk a lot about our maps performance program, which is actually designed exactly for that.

That's the one. And then the final question this person says, look, when you're following a workout program, which is actually designed exactly for that. That's the one. And then the final question this person says, look, when you're following a workout program, when is it okay to go off script just to have some fun? Also, all months long, we have put together our most popular at-home workout programs in a bundle and discounted them tremendously. A lot of gyms are closing down again, or you might be afraid to go to the gym right now. Looks like COVID cases are spiking. So here's what we did.

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and if they don't blow your mind, return them for a full refund. If you want more information or you just want to sign up, go to maps November.com. That's the word maps, M-A-P-S, November.com. Did you guys get the alert last night? We are so alert. We're, what do we, tier, tier or peer? What is it? Seven or purple or so shit? What's the purple? Is that what it purple tier? Yeah, I don't even know what it looks like. We're polka dot right now.

I don't even know what the codes are. Yeah, it's the highest level. Yeah, so it's back to lockdowns, full lockdowns, unless you are in a central business. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, so you know what? This is a, what a one, I'm trying to be positive, right? What a wonderful practice in accepting things as they are.

What you can't control. Yeah, it's like, that's what's been happening for a while now, like a year. So I think we have another year of this practice. Boy, are we gonna be stronger at the end of this? I feel like I'm just in line, and I'm just waiting, and I'm walking, and then at the end of the line,

somebody kicks me really hard in the nuts. Or like over and over again. Or they tell you you're in the wrong line. Well, it's like, you get away over there, actually. It's interesting how much we talk talk about like, you know, the depression rising and all the bad things that are coming from this. But what were you rather be? Would you rather be here right now in lockdown or here 200 years ago?

Yeah, I know, but you can't do that, dude. I can always there's always something more fucked up. I mean, you know, I'm saying, but did you? I'm not. Someone comes in like, man, I'm so sad because I got a car accident and it was so big. Yeah, but you have cancer? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

All right then. I mean, hello. You should feel good, right? But you don't have that. But I mean, like we, the things that we can still do from home, the ways that we can still do. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? That's what I mean.

I don't mean that there's more ways to look at. Here's a war's and because of shit like that. Here's a speculation that I'm making right now because a lot of people don't know this, okay? So people when I say black market, people think drugs or illegal weapons or all these terrible things. Black markets literally exist

because there's a strong demand and it's a market that is not supported by your government. That's all it means. So if there's a strong enough demand and your government doesn't support whatever the demand is for for whatever product or service, then what'll end up happening is you'll have a black market. So it can be stuff that we currently deem is bad,

like, again, illegal drugs or guns, or it can be like in the Soviet Union where they had black markets for milk, bread, Nike shoes, Levi's jeans. I know somebody who's friend in the Soviet Union literally went to prison because he peddled Levi's jeans on the black market in the Soviet Union. So where am I going with this?

Well, with all these lockdowns, with all these forced businesses that had to shut down, and some businesses have been fucked since the beginning. They haven't been able to really do anything like salons, gyms, service, oriented type businesses, restaurants, indoor restaurants, totally screwed. What we're going to do is we're going to create very big, vibrant black markets. That's just what's going to, it's already happening. It's just going to grow and become bigger. Well, and I think there's an interesting conversation here too, because this is not something that is just temporary either, because once you get away with it, it's going to button that

they're going to constantly push. I just think too. It's a bell you can't unring. Put yourself in the shoes of the business owner that goes to the black market, that decides that they're going to do this and they start to do it and they start to make money and they get away with it. Then COVID goes away and then we're back to normal.

Do they switch back to normal? There's maybe a small percentage of people that do, but I would argue that there's a lot of people that shit I already got away with it when we had to get away with it and I'm not paying taxes on all this money, why not keep going? 100%.

Now here's the things with black markets. Here's the problems with them. Forget the actual product or service that's being petaled on the black market. Let's just pretend that, just whatever. That doesn't matter for now, because obviously some products and services are worse than others.

So let's just forget that for a second. What are the dangers of the black market just itself? Okay. So again, let's say you're in the Soviet Union and it's a black market for milk, or let's say you're in a lockdown right now and you're working in the black market for cutting hair. What are the bad things about that?

Well, when you're operating in a black market, there's number one, you don't pay taxes. So tax revenue dramatically lowers, which can cause some problems. Here's another big problem. Let's say there's a dispute over business or cash or you get ripped off. You can't go to the court, you can't sue someone.

Now you can't use any legal measures to dispute your issues or problems. And so what ends up happening is oftentimes it leads to violence, It leads to property damage Let's say you get you go get a black market haircut or you go work out at a gem and the guy you pay the guy three months in advance And then he doesn't let you in after a week You can't it's like you can go to the court and sue him, right? So what if you're pissed off? What if you're mad at it?

Maybe you'll go and you'll spray paint his gym or do some shit or whatever. And so what ends up happening is all these black markets are gonna cause more problems. And then there's a psychological thing that we need to consider. This is true by the way, as a fact, remember the whole concept of gateway drugs? Remember they said marijuana is a gateway drug.

The reason why some of that was true was because when people were smoking marijuana, they would step over the line into the black market. Now, the same dealer that brought them weed also can sell them cocaine and ecstasy and other drugs. So, once you start down this path of breaking the law, it's easier to continue to break the law. Right. That's the case when I'm making it. I think that a lot of people just stay there. I think that if you already took that risk and then you find out you're

okay, I think that a lot of people say that it's survival. Not only that, but when the market is open and regulated, let's say they said restaurants stay open, but here's all the guidelines you have to follow, right? You have to take temperature, people wear masks, do whatever, but now they say no, sorry, totally closed. And then there's a black market for restaurants. They're less likely to follow a lot of those guidelines. They're already breaking the law.

So now they're like, whatever, we're just gonna do it. We can't hit right. So this could backfire in a really, really big way, and I don't think that they're considering any of that stuff. They're not considering any other downstream problems, and I think we need to pay attention, because people are getting... It's a lot easier just to shut everything down

and not realize what kind of backlash and consequences that creates and what other problems that creates. I just wish that there was a way that, you know, it could just be communicated like the seriousness of all these cases are popping back up. Hey guys, why doesn't everybody, you know, be extra cautious and, you know,

follow protocols even more strictly, but stay open and let people that wanna go out, go out. Everybody else that wants to stay home, stay home, you know, like I feel like there just be a lot more people that would like adopt that right away. Well, the case has started spiking and a lot of the speculation is because, is not because necessarily businesses were starting to reopen, but rather because people stopped

isolating. So a lot of people were like, screw it, I'm going to go hang out with my 15 minutes. I mean, that's what I feel that personally, I'm like within my circle of family and friends. I mean, I've noticed that, like obviously when this all, you can't police it. Well, when this possible, when this all hit originally, everybody I think was pretty much in lockdown. You were nobody was mingling with anybody else, family or friends. And now you've started to see people go like, well, I'm going to see my mom and my cousin

in my aunt. I'm going to see my mom, my cousin in my aunt in my brother-in-law. And then it's just like, it slowly has grown since then to where I feel like now most people are, they're still abiding by the rules as far as when they go places, but as far as like who they're interacting with, that's, I think that's substantially grown, at least in the circle of people that I know that's what's, even the ones that I think were the most, you know,

staunch about not seeing anybody, even they have. Like, my brother, which ironically, my brother and I, who's one of the ones who got COVID, he wouldn't even answer his door to like his mom. His mom came over like bringing food. This is before he got COVID, right? Yeah, but this is before he even got COVID. So before he even got COVID, he was like,

wouldn't answer his door, wouldn't talk to him when the family, like if even if just like the small immediate family got together, like he wasn't coming around. So he was like that big time. Well, he ends up getting COVID anyways. He catches it through a girlfriend that he won't like when the only people he was seeing caught it. And since then, and time has gone by, like now, you know, he's around, you know, 15, 20 different family and friends, you know, friends that I know of personally.

And I don't know what else he's done besides. You know, that makes me think of something. Do you guys think at some point, if this keeps going, going, going, going that at some point, if this keeps going, going, going, going, that at some point, healthy people are gonna go and just try to get it? Do I have to fuck this or get it over with? Like chicken pox. That's part of what I think is happening too,

is that, you know, so there's definitely, there's definitely obviously a percentage of people, and I see this too within my circle. I have people that have lost somebody to COVID. So if you have somebody who you knew, you know, within a person or two away from you that died from it, you tend to be a little more like freaked out about it.

But then the opposite is true too. If you're somebody who has one or two, or like in my case, I have like six or seven people that are pretty close to me that have all had it and they all, and they're all, they had it for like a day. And they're all unhealthy or than I am. And they all were fine.

And they had it. And then it was, it's gone. Maybe the worst, I think out of those people were, they lost taste for like 30 days. But as far as getting through the flu-like symptoms, it was relatively fast and less in comparison. Other things they've had. So then you're more relaxed because you have somebody

who, you've a couple people now you've known who's had had it and you're like, Oh, okay, they're way unhealthy compared to me. And so I think you have two things going on there where you've still got some people who know somebody who's passed and they're a little more scared, but more and more people. And there's obviously the death rate is very, very low. So there's a higher percentage of chance you know somebody or a few people who have had it, but then have been fine from it. And so now that you've been this close to it, you're starting to go like, okay, it's not that scary. And so I think more people have had it. Do you know how long it took before, like after the Spanish flu, like how long it took people

to then sort of interact and get back to kind of business as usual? Yeah, I don't, but I imagine in those days, a lot longer you would think, just because of the way stuff travels. Yeah, and people die. I'm like, so many people. That was a vicious one. I, you know, I think people back then, it was terrible, but I think they accepted things

a little differently and because you didn't have the mass media, what you, what you're based. Well, they had to work. Not only that, but you're, yes, and you're also, mostly exposed to the people around you. So, to use that as an example, let's imagine that mass media, the way we have it now, doesn't exist, okay.

So the only coat, you've heard of COVID, right? You've heard about it. But really the only point of reference you have are the people you know. Right, that. And of all the people that I know, personally, I know two people, two distant family members that got it. So in my mind, if that was all I knew, I'd be like, it's not that bad., I know two people, two distant family members that got it.

So in my mind, if that was all I knew, I'd be like, it's not that bad. I only know two people. Well, especially at the two people you know. We got it. Yeah, we're okay. Exactly. So I'm wondering if it was like that up until it was, Nana was just terrible. Now you're just seeing shit go crazy.

Yeah, it's crazy. You know, but I know many times, many times people have thought the end of the world was coming. I mean, I'm pretty sure when the bubonic play happened. That's one third of the whole Europe diet. Well, yeah, and I remember Ebola, like how scared we all were, because that's like one of those where immediately

you get like really detrimental symptoms. If you bleed out your face, like almost like within a few days. So it's like, this is a different thing. You know, it's like a lot of people like make it through okay, but then every now and then there's somebody that dies and then it just kinda... It's also just wreaks people out. It's just creating this situation

because it's stress and there's things that a lot of us haven't experienced before. It's just ripe for conspiracy theories, it's just paranoia. The latest one I heard, here's the latest one I heard Okay, but I mean all conspiracy theories. There's a piece of it that you could be like, huh that might make a little So here's the next one the next one is that that big tech and big media Really want people to be scared as hell because companies like Amazon and Google and they crush

Oh my god, and they take out competition. Tech businesses are killing it right now. You know, and I think that's where my concern is just about all of the small businesses. Like they're just like disappearing right in front of our eyes. There's just no more competition now. Tech and direct to consumer. Yes, those two are just, but here's the thing though. It is at the natural evolution anyways.

It's just accelerating it. Yeah. Maybe we'll see if we can make an argument for that. Right. And I know that, I mean, that sounds harsh to say that. Like if you have a close family member, a friend that has like a small, mom, pop shop, like those, those places are getting killed, right? We're in small towns, but you know, it, it, it, is the natural evolution of how

things were going to go anyways that most people were going to be ordering on Google and Amazon. Well, I had this conversation too. I think I was on a podcast where it's like, we've been talking since day one about like to trainers, like start considering putting everything that you've done online. Start really like putting your entire library of content like out there, put it out there. That's where business is going and that's where it was all going. And then this just really like, you know, put a out there. That's where business is going, and that's where it was all going. And then this just really, like, you know, put a wedge in there.

Yeah, although I'll say this, I know at least a handful of trainers who they trained in gyms or personal training studios, and when this all happened, they converted to going to people's homes and training them, and they're doing excellent. They're crushing. I love that. Yeah, their businesses have all exploded, because, them, and they're doing excellent. They're crushing. I love that.

Yeah, their businesses have all exploded, because they're top client, because here there's a bit of a bias, right? People who hire trainers tend to take their fitness a little bit more seriously, and don't mind investing a little bit more time and money. So if you have 15 clients that are training with you at your gym, and they're all paying you 70 bucks an hour,

and then the gym is closed You have to imagine at least eight of them would be willing to pay Another 20 bucks an hour for you to come to their house. Well, I think it's even more than Smart thing you can do right? I think it's more than that I mean how many of your guys is clients trained with you more for the social reason than they did even for the results I got so I mean that's that's a big part for a lot of people that are already spending that kind of money a big portion of them aren't just interested in losing five pounds or building muscle you they've built relationships with their yeah, and so it's very important right and now you're in this lockdown Everybody's kind of sad to press you don't see anybody like and then you have the option to you have just and come over

Yeah, right? Yeah, parties his mask and his grinking, his cakes, you know, say, come over and just yoga with you. Like that's working in amazing. You just have to wear dogs, everything. You just have to wear these shorts. That's it. Now, let you train me in my house. Anyway, keep it entertaining.

Dude, a lot of news going around, parlor, that social media app that I've brought up now a couple times. Yeah, I see everybody jumping over. Oh, so tons of people are jumping over there. And so like clockwork, the media now is reporting that it's a haven for right wing extremists. And it's a haven for conspiracy theorists.

And it's this and that. And we can't control them. Right. Yeah. And this is a threat to democracy. Meanwhile, they're on CNN or Fox or whatever. Which are those are echo chamber, you know, in and of themselves. Oh my God.

Have you seen that little news reel where they like, they all obviously we had the same script where they're talking about this? This is a threat to democracy. You see everybody in like every news station have the same exact, it's pretty creepy. Parler was predictable. We talked about this years ago, when we were talking about how people are more and more going into their silos.

And there's this perception that if you, if your views are not the mainstream or if you're conservative or even libertarian that you may be censored on the big platforms, at some point enough people are gonna feel that way, and they're gonna go, there's a market demand. You don't have to be an extremist. You could just be like a rational person

that's like, I don't believe in all this censorship. Yeah, you know, like there's a space for that, and that's where that has some appeal to. But I'll say this, I think, just wait till they get real big, and then they're probably gonna start. Of course, yeah. I mean, come on, it's just for now.

Yeah, it's a 100% CNN in Yeah, I mean, come on, it's just for now. Yeah, it's 100% CNN and Fox. I mean, that's old media. It's just now new media. Yeah, the same media. I mean, we just talked about this other day, right? How we, you know, news networks report on Twitter, you know, I'm saying like that's, you turn on the TV to watch the news and 50% of their news, the reporting is a tweet.

So, you know, that's how we get our information now. And so, of course, it's obvious to me that we'd have a Instagram and a Twitter that represents a kind of CNN type of point of view. And the natural progression would be a one that's a fox point of view will eventually emerge. And I think parlor is that. You know, it's interesting.

A lot of people on there are people who are in nutrition, health and wellness whose views have gotten blocked or shadow banned on Instagram. So like carnivore diet advocates, people who are anti-GMO, believe it or not, are moving over there because they've been censored. People who question Western medicine, so a lot of people in the wellness space do that. Yeah, so anti-vaxxers and stuff like that. Oh, they're for sure, but I guarantee they'll be censored on parlor too.

I think that's a topic that, no matter where you go, people are gonna try and shut you down. But just wellness people who are moving over there because that Rob Wolf, for example, who's not that controversial, I never thought he was that controversial. No, for example, who's not that controversial. I never thought he was that controversial. No, I mean, he just advocates for me. Yeah, that's an crazy.

And he gets, you know, shadow band all the time. So he's moved over there. So I think this is a, this is a market. You're going to see more of this kind of stuff. You're going to see more. There's too many agendas out there fighting each other. Yeah, it's so obnoxious. Speaking of which, you know, I am very interested

to see how that little segment I did is gonna do on YouTube. Oh, we both did. Third rail one? Third rail. Yeah, we'll see. When is that going live? As of the recording of this episode,

well, as the dropping of this episode, it should be up. Oh, wow. So it should be up. Oh wow. So it should be up. And essentially what it is is I love having controversial conversations with people that are not fitness related. My pump really isn't the place for that because it's a more of a fitness health podcast. So it's a segment that we're right now just going to put on our YouTube podcast channel where I'm going to talk to people about that kind of stuff.

So the first guest was Bright Brett Weinstein. I'm excited. Yeah, so we'll see. What did you think of the, because I wasn't there for the conversation. I thought it was good. I had a great conversation. It was only a few days though after my son was born.

So I'm gonna watch it and just, I don't know how fried I was. So we'll see how I was. I'm pure adrenaline. I'm kidding. I'll see how I was. I'm pure adrenaline. I'm cabrega, we'll see how I was speaking of people like that. By the way, Adam, you know you've been pronouncing someone's name wrong for like three years. Who?

Adam, atler. No, no, no, alter. That's why you even got us doing it. I know. Yeah, he was just on Joe Rogan. That's why it was altering. I saw that he was on Joe Rogan. That's why it was all too. I saw that he was on Joe Rogan. Is it really it's a LTE or not? Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no now. I mean, that's shit, I was saying that what four years ago. And you guys were making fun of me and stuff like that.

Now that he's on Joe Rogan, I guarantee everybody's gonna be talking. Just a heavier time. Well, I mean, I think it's, you know what he said on Rogan? He thinks that this kind of forced lockdown situation is gonna, he hopes at least that it's gonna make people kind of question their addiction to technology because a lot of us feel forced to be on it.

So maybe that'll change our perception. That's an interesting point of view because I've felt that myself personally more than ever. I mean, I was already talking about it, right? So I've been talking about it for a long time. But man, when you're forced to be indoors like that, there is only so much to do. When you've got a television and a phone, it's really easy to just switch over onto that

and then get sucked in. I find myself really paying attention to how much I'm tending to go that direction. It's tough, dude. And we're aware, right? So we've talked about it. We've read the books on it, and so, and we've shared about this. So imagine how many people are unaware,

and how long does it take them going down that rabbit hole before they realize, oh shit. Well, there's this psychological phenomenon that happens. There's a name for it, I'm pretty sure, where people who enjoy doing a particular thing, once it becomes their job, they stop enjoying it as much. Yeah, it happens athletes a lot too. Yes, that's exactly the, I don't know what the name of this,

what it's called, but they talk about it in psychology, but essentially, because you feel like you have to, just the perception of that changes the enjoyment of it. So it's like, you love doing something, but now that you feel, even though you're not necessarily forced, but you feel forced. Yeah, so that's what he was speculating about people's using their phones and technologies that, because we may be perceiving like that we're forced to do it, that maybe now people

are going to question their addiction to technology. Yeah, they speculate a little bit too about how people might start moving and be more interested in virtual reality. And I haven't even given that a thought because I just feel like that's still kind of something that's far from where we're at right now. But I guess it's made lots of moves lately. They've gotten way better with it.

The experience is totally catching up to something that people are like, wow, I feel like immersed. I mean, how much does it feel like we're right on the cusp of that, you know. It's like we're in the threshold of what I've been saying of the we're gonna have the plug, they're the unplugged, so you have like, if Adam Alter is saying things that, okay, we are on the cusp of people starting to figure out how addicted they are, I agree and I disagree. I agree there's a portion of self-aware people. You have like, omnispeople, but with technology. how addicted they are, I agree and I disagree. I agree there's a portion of self-aware people. You have like, omnispeople, but with technology.

You have, you have definitely a portion or a percentage of the people out there that are self-aware and recognize that and don't want that for themselves. And then you have another portion that are almost oblivious to it, don't give a shit. And then VR comes in and then you can plug in and now this virtual,

get about my body, just plug me in. now this virtual bit about my body just plugged me in. And this virtual world ends up being just as enjoyable or more enjoyable for them than the reality is. I tell you what, the minute you can have sex in VR or screwed, well, we're all, I'm telling you, I thought you can't, it's already there. I mean, when it's like legit, like, you know,

how does it get more legit than what? Like, don't they have, they already have the thing where you can goggles on, you can put like a thing on yourself And then and then watch right yeah, I mean what do you want what else what's more real than well? We're a virtual reality feels fully immersed where you feel like you're like a player one. Yeah You have to hold the whole body suit. Yeah, that's gotta be cum-aptic suit. Or it does things to your warm, warms up your core temperature. Of course, and then you're, now we're screwed.

Once you can get in there and have sex, forget it. Nobody's gonna do anything anymore. So I think, I think we're gonna be totally screwed. Not everybody, it'll be a portion of people that are like actually wanna go do something with their day than like have sex on virtual reality. Yeah. I have a little more faith in humanity.

Well, in between. Sounds like nobody's ever coming out after that. Once you could fucking virtual reality. And pretty much we've solved everything. I mean, there's definitely a big portion because you saw the world of Warcraft. You know how popular that game was? That game was so popular.

People would wear diapers. Because they didn't want to up and like miss anything. That's true. What? Yeah, there were people that were actually, this is not true. Yes, it is. I'm serious.

People were playing a video game so much. They don't wanna get up, they would put on adult diapers and then soil themselves. Soil themselves just to keep, you know, staying in that world. Yep. No. Yeah.

That's come on. That's crazy. That's real news. That's what Adam, a alter said, oh, I can't world. Yep. No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's come on. That's crazy. That's real news. That's what Adam, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh Spungy and delicious those were bomb pull those up Doug those were the banana. She just sent she sent the rest of the pumpkin Maybe the best thing so far. I tell you why were they made with the with the orange juice? No, no, they're organic Protein. I got it. Oh, wow. So did she put it on there? Yeah, even try to eat no, no, I'm gonna tell you right now because she said it Here it is pumpkin noise. Okay, pump wait a minute. is, hold on a second. No, they're bomb.

How does she, how does she do that? Listen, they're pumpkin, but I don't know if you can see that on camera, but it's like, it's like, it's like, a little crust on the top. Yeah, it's nice. They can't see that. Pumpkin, banana bread, protein muffins. No way. So it's got, listen, that's Graham Cracker crumbs on there.

Oh, that's what that. Four scoops of the organifi of vanilla protein powder. 15 ounces of pumpkin, three overripe bananas, two large eggs, baking powder, and then some pumpkin pie spice. I would never know. And then a little bit of topped with walnuts. If you served this to me and didn't tell me that there was protein powder, I would never know.

Oh my God. Wow, that's really good. That's what I wanted. That should get it off the organify website. Yeah, I'm pretty sure she did. I gotta ask her if that's where she got it or not from, but I mean, it's super bombed. They have a lot of good recipes on there.

I'm glad that she's doing this, because this might have been one of those. It was up to us. I know. Yeah, I made a protein shake. Yeah. Yeah, we heard your idea, right? It was with rags and rags and coconut water.

Oh, it's all makes it sweet. It's all about utility for me. Yeah, but that's nothing. When I was a kid trying to gain size, I used to make tuna fish or chicken breast shakes. That's so gross. Uh-huh. No joke.

I'm trying to imagine his breath. Oh God. Oh. Hey, guys. Oh, oh, oh. I think it's still, I think the reason why it smells away. Now it's reminiscent of that dude still from that long ago. All right.

Stop fucking. Stop picking up me. Adam takes another novel. I know. Yeah. Ball joke. I'm going to say I'm beginning well. Yeah, that is.

No, do you see that Justin did an old throwback post of him and I when? Dude, you guys were, I know. Handsome. I had to pick one where Adam was at his handsomeest, you know, that way he wouldn't get all mad at me. So this is, this is, this is, nobody, all the comments, nobody. This isn't Adam. Yeah, like, I mean, like, respond.

So here's what, here's what's happened and Adam, you just be honest. You'd be honest with me. You and I both have definitely declined in our attractiveness. Why Justin and Doug have gotten better looking? I agree. What the fuck? I agree.

You got to start low. You guys got the wrong strategy. You and I, then you're declining. We peaked. That's not a good strategy. I landed Jessica real quick with who? Yeah. I think I could get her now. I was all based on personality. Yeah Now, I'm saying you're changing. Hey speaking of food. Did you guys see the egg study that's making the rounds right now? God media I swear is

Sometimes I feel like media is just are they demonized? They're just idiots. That's what I that's right and then again It's our own fault because we click on everything that stupid so study comes out and it says eating Just one egg a day Increases your diabetes risk by 60% That's what the study says right wow now. Here's a deal. It's not a study. It's not a study It's observational meaning they are putting together correlations. And what they did is they looked at, I think it was in Australia. If I'm not mistaken, I should pull it up. Was it China? Okay. I don't know if the study was done in China,

or if it was Chinese people in Australia. Let me double check and see. So they took, so they they looked at a bunch of Chinese people either in China or Australia. And when they started eating an egg a day, they saw an increase in the risk of diabetes. And so they connected the two. Here's what they're not telling you. They didn't control for anything else. And when people from, especially from other cultures,

start to adopt a Western diet that usually includes eggs in the morning, but what is it also typically include? A bunch of processed food garbage. So they're trying to connect eggs to the diabetes because that's the crazy thing that would stand out in the study, but they didn't talk about any other to the head with it.

Yes, yeah. So again, more agendas. It just seems so much like there's a massive agenda to make any kind of like meat or poultry or any kind of like meat or poultry or any kind of like, make demonize it some way so they can sell you like whatever like fake burger. It's funny how much I mean, we're all guilty of this too of like using studies as truth. I was trying to explain this to Katrina and you know this better than I do.

What is the percentage of a study even being replicated? Is it single digits? It depends. I think behavioral or psychological studies are terrible. Okay. of a study even being replicated. Is it single digits? It depends. I think behavioral or psychological studies are terrible. Neucritional studies can be really hard because so many of them are these survey-based studies. And the reason for that is it's really hard to...

Tees everything out, to lock people up for five months and say you're only eating this way. You know expensive that would be? Right. Take 200 people, put them in a lab, control all factors, and then tease out what's causing what impossible. So instead they have people fill out surveys. And in this case, in this study, when you're studying Chinese adults,

they typically will eat their culture's diet, right? But when they start to adopt Western style diet, that typically includes some kind of beef or more beef, and eggs, maybe more milk, and then all the other garbage that comes along with it. So yeah, their health is gonna decline. It's not cause of the eggs. It's cause of the all the other.

Well, I mean, that was my point, right? That I was trying to, I think I told Katrina was like a single digit percentage of like that actually can be replicated exactly the same. Like studies like, that's what's so crazy. But yet we tout all these as truth. You know, this is, oh, this study came out. Therefore, this is the truth.

When in reality, that study can rarely ever can ever even be duplicated. That just goes to show you how much of a variance there is in everything that we've done. Yeah, and then you just get camps to cherry pick whatever parts of the study they'd like the most in order to sell whatever the hell idea they want to sell. Well, back in the day, coffee was associated correlated with cancer.

So they would do studies, these same kind of studies, observational. They found that people who drank coffee got cancer more often. And so some people said coffee is bad for you. In fact, when I was a kid said coffee is bad for you in fact When I was a kid coffee was bad for you nobody told nobody said coffee was healthy. Yeah, it was bad for you It was unhealthy. It happened when we were trainers like in the night late 90s and early 2000 Black coffee and cigarettes that was like the thing that's why because they didn't because people who drank lots of coffee in the 50s 60 70s smoke a lot of cigarettes, 60s, 70s. Trapers smoke lots of cigarettes too. But they take some coffee causes cancer.

Well, that's like any, that's what I'm saying. Like any of these studies, it's so hard to say. Like, and we know how much other things like sleep and behaviors and stress and relationships all affect your health. So it's like you can do all this stuff about, oh, people that follow these macros are this, are this is what we think happens when we know

there's all these other variables that play such a huge role in how your body responds. It's like so hard to say for sure. It is, and you have to look at how behaviors, like for example, if you look at studies on vitamins, people who take vitamins tend to be have better health, but we don't necessarily know if it's because of the vitamins or because healthy people

who value their health and Exercise and diet tend to also take vitamins right those get a fact for us. Yeah, I have a kind of a theory here so this study was done between 1991 and 2009 and the first year that McDonald's went to China was in 1990. Oh, so you think it's like a good muffins. So I muffins? So I went to China like three times in the 90s and there's McDonald's, Kentucky Fried Chicken,

Pizza Hut everywhere. So all of our best. Is that factored into this study as well? Wow, interesting. Yeah, because if you eat an egg McMuffin, there's your egg. Yeah, it was your hash browns from there. But they're cutting out the McMuffin. I think they're bringing the McRib back.

The McRib? Yeah. They always do. It's like, they bring it back once a year. Like, for a while. Can I tell you that the McRib disappoint me, disappoints me every time, for whatever reason, every time I have to go?

I've never had it. You've had it? I've never had it. It's processed. Or you are the undercover fast food eater that we don't know about. Yeah. You know, what's going on here? Ambassador of health. Man, you are the undercover fast food eater that we don't know about. Yeah. You know, what's going on here?

Ambassador of health. Man, you know, I'm not taking that sash back. I feel like you're gonna have to snatch it. We've talked about fast food stuff. Like you've been the, I mean, I had fries. You can call me obesity of health now. Did you see that?

There was a video that Rachel posted of, like one of my fit tips or whatever. Couple of comments on it, because I was talking about food, like, food order and if I'm really this order. Couple of comments underneath it, like looks like salesman eating everything lately, huh? Thanks guys.

People love to pile it up. It's just so you can make me feel really good. Oh, I did. Welcome to the club. Hey, speaking of companies, we're talking about tech companies and companies that are doing really well with the shutdowns. I got to imagine companies that mail,

you said direct consumer. Yep. Are you following along with our sponsor public goods and see how well. Oh yeah, crushing right now. They have to be right. Well good, especially them because they, I mean, for a lot of reasons,

one, they're like the online direct to consumer Costco type of brand. So you they're like the online direct to consumer Costco type of brand. So you're getting like these wholesale type prices. They offer so much stuff too. So it's like all your household goods that everybody needs anyways. Think of things like cleaning supplies and all that stuff, which has all gone through the roof everywhere. And then to be able to get wholesale type prices through them, yeah, I know they're crushing. And then their model of like, Yeah, I know they're crushing and then their model of like, you know, less chemicals, less packaging, you know Very very, you know green-minded. That's got to be that's got to be one of the factors as to why they're doing so much Yeah, it's interesting. I've been very conscious of that like limiting a lot of like a you know plastic

packaging and like getting rid of like a lot of the chemicals in the house and it's you know you want to think that the chemicals in the house. And it's, you know, you want to think that, obviously you're not going to feel that initially, but over time, I feel like I've felt the difference. Well, this is how I've always felt. And now that we are seeing brands like public goods, come out, which are making it more affordable.

Like, it was different when it was like, okay, you know, buy this, you know, brand of Windex, which has got all this chemicals and crap in it, and it cost, you know, a dollar or something. And then if I want to go get like the organic version that doesn't have anything, it doesn't work. It's like $7. Yeah, it doesn't work very well. And it's like $7.

It's wider and water and lemon essence. Yeah, yeah. So things like that. It's infused. Just like 10 years ago, that's what it was like. And that's something like, okay, it's not like I'm drinking my Windex. So I'm not really worried about stuff like that. It's put for yourself.

But yeah. So now, now though that you're starting to see these companies emerge that are offering these types of products for reasonably priced. And then it's like, hey, what is, it's not a big leap for me to change my dishwasher soap or my laundry detergent and make it healthier and better, especially if the price point is relatively close to what these on brands that are using all these chemicals. So yeah, I think that's what's happening is I think more and more people, even if you're not,

you know, running around with a 10-poil hat afraid that all these things are going to. Just think about your skin health, your hair, you know, all the, you know, I just think people don't consider that even like it's never been something they'd even think about. Speaking of waste, did you guys know that recycling is not what it used to be nowadays? You guys know this?

Well, it's been that way for a long time. For as far as the waste. Oh, they're not even. They're not even able to use it like half of it. Dude, so we used to sell a lot of our plastic and cardboard and stuff to China and they would buy it off of us. And so that's how we would recycle essentially. They'd take it and use it.

Nobody wants it. Nobody's buying it anymore and it costs more money and is more wasteful to do the recycling thing. What they do with all your recycling is they throw it away. This is what they do now. Except for I think aluminum and I want to say glass, everything else is essentially. I'm not making, look at it in metal. Look this up. I'm not making this it in metal. Yeah metal look this up

I'm not making this up. It's almost the waste of time now to recycle somebody I think this way for a while. I've heard that before so sad. I showed Jessica and she was so angry because she's like a stickler Like if I throw some in the wrong thing Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, yeah, that's funny. Yeah, especially go into the dump You know, it's like he there's only a few items that they even cared to recycle for you anymore. Yeah. No, that's how I know, because Jessica got mad at me

so many times, I was like, oh. Well, that's another thing that I looked at. I've seen more and more brands doing what public goods does too, which I think is also really cool, is when you buy the first initial thing, like whether it be the window washing stuff, to detergent. Get the original bottle out of it.

Yeah, you get the original, and then going forward. They send you refillups Yeah, it's the refills. I always thought that I always thought that was a good idea I always thought to myself a company should do that because it would save them money It would probably save the consumer money, right? It's way less waste way less waste because you just reuse the same container And now you have a bag or whatever You guys remember you guys remember if it's full of it. So you're psycho-reduce reuse. Yeah. You're doing the loop. You guys remember, if it's yellow, let it mellow, if it's brown, push it down.

Yeah. You guys remember the flushing toilets? Yeah. So you're not supposed to flush if it's P? Yeah, yeah. No. Hey, I got a new show for you, Justin. It's called Wayne on Prime.

Yes. Yes. I watched one episode of Wayne. I've gotten a couple recommendations. Then you said that over text and I was like, all right, I'm gonna watch this. So what is it? So did you like it?

I did. I knew you would like it. Yeah, dude. It was right up my alley. It was kind of like, at first, it was a little off-putting because this guy, this guy just comes out and gets his ass kicked. And anyway, I don't want to ruin the plot of it or anything but it's kind of cool.

It's like he's sort of this anti-hero. He kind of is trying to do the right thing but he's in this, you know, really sort of shitty situation. Yeah, it's a, you look super hero. So did you like, no, do you like the writing of Deadpool? Yeah, like that kind of humor? Yeah, it's dark. It's that, it's very dark. Very dark humor.

Also got some seriousness to it. It reminds me of the flow of watching Deadpool. Like, you know, one minute, you're like, you're really into it. Great action scenes, fighting crazy. Then it makes you laugh. And it's kind of like sick dark humor. It's like very sarcastic because the circumstances around them are so bad. You know how you get like when somebody like is going through hell and they're just like, yeah, well, this so bad. You know how you get, like when somebody is going through hell and they're just like, yeah, well, I guess this is happening. You know, it's got that kind of vibe. It's a high school boy who is gone,

and I'll share this without ruining this show at all. It's a high school boy who is, like, the unlikely hero because he's, like, his dad is dying of cancer, his mom fucking left him when he was a kid. He's poor as shit, gets beat up and stuff like that. So he goes up in this rough ass neighborhood, but he's like tough as nails. And he has this chip on his shoulder

about like protecting the like the underdog, the kids that get bullied at school, that people like get picked up. I like it already. Exactly. Yeah, I like it. It's a great story. He never lies, like he can't lie.

Yeah, he's like, but then he's like kind of like this badass little bit, you know what I'm saying? He takes a beating, but then he also will give it to guys that are yeah, and then it's going other people and it's got dead pulls kind of graphics. So like the fights are like kind of brutal looking. It's not like, oh wow. Yeah, maybe I'll watch out on my son.

Yeah, no, you guys would like it. You guys will definitely ride away. I thought of Justin for sure. I know we'd love it, but I think everybody. I'm trying to find something to do with them because I'll I'll this he's a teenager now. so he did this to me the other day I didn't realize how much it hurt my feelings. He was like we were talking He's like oh black mirror did you watch that episode and we're going back and forth

I'm like yeah, I'm like have you seen all the seasons he goes no, I haven't seen I only saw the first season I'm like dude let's watch one tonight just you and I and he's like nah No reason just my heart dude. That's kind of lame Or some I'm like you're gonna watch that shit It sounds like the pop though popular to the nerdy kid. That's the popular kid to hang out Yeah, I'm cool. He's like now. I'm really pained right now. I'll watch YouTube. I'm like fuck Hey, hurry dude We went for a walk the other day with the babies,

you know, pushing them in the stroller, whatever, and I'm giving them hugs and stuff. I'm a very physically affectionate father, and I can tell he's a little bit uncomfortable, which just makes me pour it on even more. And I told him, I said, listen, kid, I said, if I know you don't like working out that much, I said, but that's your only option to fight me off because I'm gonna hug and kiss you and squeeze you

And the more you push me away. I said I promise you you keep pushing me away I'm gonna pick you up and hold you like a baby in my arms and walk down the street So he's like I got it strong and I will do that I will literally pick him up hold them and then kiss him in front of everybody man I swear that's this day's coming right everyone keeps telling because right now Max is still going through this phase of like he's so attached to me dude. It's like, and I'm trying to be like this,

I mean I am, I'm a very present father, right? And I spend a lot of things with him and so I'm trying to like suck it all up because everyone says like, it's only a matter of time before like, you're just not cool. Yeah, you're not cool. He doesn't want to do anything with you anymore. I'm like, it's so hard to like, I guess we're where I'm at in it

to even see that or comprehend that. Right now, it's like, I have to like sneak out of the house to get out of the house. It sucks I can't even like go say goodbye to him because if he sees me and I'm leaving, like you'll, ah, you'll make a big old deal. Eat it up, dude. Yeah, every time I get home, my boys attack me,

like clockwork. You just wait until they want it. Yeah, do you, they want to wrestle. And it's like if dude. You do that every time I get home, my boys attack me like clockwork. You just wait, you know, they want it. Yeah, do you, they want a wrestle, and it's like, if I don't do that, you know, it's going to stop, and I don't want it to stop. Yeah. So you still got that, you still come home. Oh, yeah. 100% and they get super excited,

because it's like, yeah, dad. Like it's like, all those pants up energy that they could use, that they could use at all of me. It doesn't stop until they're probably 14, 15, 16, like right around there. And then it's cool, but you're just dead. You know what I mean? You're not like the,

and then when they get older, then you're cool again. So what I envision at that age, and so does this happen for you is, you know, because I get that, right? He doesn't, he doesn't. You see, don't get caught up in the like, you're gonna try and be cool thing.

Like, oh, he's 16, I know what I'll do with him. We'll go like, you know. No, no, no, no. It's so cool. I mean, just watching him, like, do you see so much of yourself at that point? Because I feel like that's when, like, that's when that would really start to show.

Yeah, somewhat. I mean, he's got a lot of me, but then he's also different than I am. He's more quiet than I am. I wouldn't call him an introvert. He's definitely not insecure. He'll be confident to talk or whatever. But he's a little different.

He doesn't show, he doesn't show, he doesn't wear his emotions and stuff on his sleeve. You were more like that. I was more expressive, I would say, verbally expressive. Now if you get down in a conversation, especially if you debate with him, then he won't shut up and then you're gonna go back and forth

for whatever, and he's gonna try and make his case all day long. Which is totally, which is totally me, right? Yeah, yeah. But no, he's a little different than I, now my daughter's a little different. She's turning 11 actually today. And what I'm noticing with her is she's becoming more daddy's girl.

So I feel like when she's a teenager, her and her mom are probably gonna butt heads like crazy, but dad is gonna be daddy, you know what I mean? And I've seen this with my sisters too, to some extent. When they had their teen years, they were more like, you know, with dad or whatever and fought my mom more. So I'm hoping, you know, I'm hoping she doesn't get to the where she rolls her eyes. Oh my god, dad. Oh, yeah.

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And use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout. BEEP! First question is from Nate Fagan. How effective is power building? Power building. I don't know. It's popular now, right? It's not something that was around like just.

Yeah, this is like a fairly new term. Oh, no. So, okay, the first time, I can see it gives the, the, the, the, the history of it. Yeah. So the first time I heard of the term power building, I heard, uh, do you guys remember Skip LeCore? Think his name, Skip LeCore, he was a natural,

we'll do quotations, bodybuilder in the 90s, kind of jacked, Kevin LeVroni, sometimes we'll talk about power building, and there were other bodybuilders that weren't necessarily high ranking bodybuilders, but they were popular in Flex Magazine and Muscle and Fitness, that would talk about Power Builder.

There's one guy in particular, I can't remember his name, it'll come to me, but he would do these insane-looking lifts, where he had like seven plates on a bench press, and then there's like two spotters on each side, and he'd never really competed, but he called the way trained, Power Builder. The way it tends to be used today is, I like to bodybuild, but I like to use bad form

in heavy weight. Oh, is that what you do? That's what he's for clarifying that for me. That's the way it tends to be used. And that's also the way that it was kind of used in the 90s. It was like heavy bodybuilding and looser form. Now the question is. That reminds me of who's the bodybuilder that trains that way, Texas guy, white dude.

Branch form? Yes, Branch form. Yes, exactly. Okay. Now Michael Hurn talks about power building all the time. Michael Hurn has good form. Yeah. He trains with good form.

He's probably one of the most genetically gifted people on the planet. The dude was a powerlifting champion when he was in 18 or whatever. And when he lifts, he's just strong. He'll do incline presses, full range of motion, four plates. I think he's in his late 40s now if I'm not mistaken. Yeah.

So if you combine powerlifting and bodybuilding, what you, and you do it the right way, what you're going to get is an incredible physique. You're going to be very strong. You're going to build great muscle. I think they both are extremely complimentary. Now, if you power build like I talked about earlier, with just loose form and bodybuilding exercises,

where you're swinging things, and you care more about the weight than your technique and form, you're just probably gonna hurt your skin. I think we just gave two great examples, right? So, branch worn versus microheron, and I think branches had all kinds of injuries and issues. Like, he's always battling all kinds of stuff, and he's the kind of like push through a type

of guy who cares and then isn't really particular about his form. Then you have somebody like Michael Herndon who's into his end to his late 40s, still lifting, still strong as an ox and looks amazing. Perfect example of what you get if you take it to the extreme, right? If you take it as a way to just get away with sloppy form versus, no, there's some value in training this way, but it doesn't mean that technique goes out the window.

So what does the actual programming of a power build look like? I mean, obviously they're incorporating power lifts within that, so it's like basically just compound lifts, but also like the accessory work. Is that the my office? It's usually I'm looking to go heavy. I'm doing curls.

I'm gonna swing a little bit more, curl the hundreds instead of the 60s. A little more English involved. Yes, or there's also cases where people started out as power lifters and then moved into bodybuilding. Ronnie Coleman is an example of this. So I don't find it that much different than that way we write programs.

So when I think of body building, like the typical protocol as far as programming, used to be like this eight to 12 rep range, or even maybe going down to six to eight reps, right? But I see having a power building routine with singles, doubles, and triples, or having five by fives, which is more of your powerlifting type of protocol.

But if you look the way we write programs, that's incorporated in almost every single program. In different phases, but I'm wondering if they're combining that. They're merging them together so you do ones, but then you also do sets of 15 within that same set. Well, I mean, maybe. I'm sure there's somebody who's wrote programs like that, but I think we would sit here and argue that it would be way more valuable to run it like a mesocycle where you have, you know, a, you're focused on powerlifting for a month or so, and then you move into a more bodybuilding hypertrophy type training, and then you move into a more

strength, or endurance type of training. So, you know, that's what's so funny is, a lot of this to me is marketing, you know, it's just, it's just a new term or a new way to look at it, but the truth is, I think both that, both bodybuilding type, you know, training protocol, powerlifting type training, belongs in most everybody's routine. It's just, you know, we tend to think of extremes

of it all the time and it's like, no, I think everybody, even some lady who comes to me that wants to lose, you know, 50 pounds and she's 45 plus years old, she should go through a, you know, body building and a powerlifting type of routine, which is, we're talking about tempos and rest and sets and exercises that fall in that category. That person's still a greatly beneficial. tempos and rest and sets and exercises that fall in that category, that person still greatly been appropriate. Yeah. A bit of appropriate technique and, you know, like weight that's like appropriate for

all that stuff, they're going to get great benefits. They are, you know, training for hypertrophy, connecting the muscles, getting the pump versus training for strength, training the movement rather than feel, you know, focusing on the big core three lifts, they complement each other quite a bit. And if you really want to develop a great physique and you do it smart and you train smart, you want to do both, you want to train in one's phase

and then move into another phase, you're going to get tremendous results. Now, as you get older, the risk with lifting heavy might increase a little bit, in which case, you'll probably do more bodybuilding than power-type lifting. But for the most part, they're both extremely beneficial. And look, back in the day, even before the 90s,

when I was talking about what the power of the builders, all bodybuilders trained for strength. That was the thing. In fact, it was almost embarrassing, especially in the 40s, 50s, 60s, the 30s, those days of bodybuilding. It was embarrassing to lift weights just for looks. Nobody admitted that.

It was silly. It was like, no, no, no, I'm actually really strong. And then it became okay to say, I just lift for looks, but Arnold used to do powerlifting cycles all the time, him and Francois Colombo. Next question is from Carly Oseca. What value does a zircher squat provide

that a front squat doesn't? I find that the pain of holding the bar and the crook of my arms for a zircher squat limits the weight I can lift way before my muscle strength does. So I wonder if I should just front squat instead. Yeah, a few things with this. So you'll get this argument too with the wrists.

So the wrists are, if you're actually performing a front squat, like a lot of people can't really, they don't have the mobility and the wrists to even kind of pull that off. And so they'll fold their arms. And you know, so there's different techniques. Also, like with the zircher, you know, this is where I do, like, recommend you probably put a pad there

if that's an issue for you. Like, you could solve a lot of, you know, that discomfort with just, you know, one of those pads there. But, really, like, just having the weight in a different place, you're going to get a different type of recruitment, and you're going to receive a different benefit from that. So it's just, look at it as a different place, you're gonna get a different type of recruitment, and you're gonna receive a different benefit from that. So it's just, look at it as a different exercise completely. It's two totally different exercises.

Yes, the weight is in front of you on both of them, but one of them, the weight is down closer to your midline. You have a longer lever, it's not a dead lift, so it's not your full arm, but it is at the elbow, so you have a lever in front of you. It's gonna put the different placing of the weight is going to activate and work your muscles a little bit differently. A zircher squat mimics how you tend to pick things up and lift them more than even a deadlift, because when you hold things, you keep it in real close.

You tend to hold it real close. I never did zircher squats until we wrote maps strong and then we put searchers in there. Performance, right? And I started to do them more often. And what I noticed from them was mid-back development, glute development. I got more glute activation with the searchersquot than I did with the front squat for sure. It's actually Jessica's favorite squat now. Well, it's, I mean, there's a reason why it's in performance and it's in strong and it's favorite squat now. Well, it's, I mean, there's a reason why it's in performance and it's in strong and it's not, we don't, it's not program

than every other program, right? So I don't, I don't think it needs to be a staple exercise for everybody, but when you talk about functional training, that's why it's in performance, and obviously for strong men, lifts and stuff, that type of training is extremely important to be able to pick up stones and whatever the other atlas, whatever the atlas stones and what are the other carries. Yeah, like sandbags and what are the else that are very centric to the body. Right, it makes a ton of sense. So, and when you think about what you, you know, if you were to bend over in real life and pick up something that weighed a hundred and something pounds or more, you know, think

about exactly how you would carry it. That's it. Bags of concrete, bags of dog food, you know, things from Costco how you would carry it. That's a bag, a concrete bag, a dog food, you know, things from Costco, you know, boxes. Even if you pick up your friend or your spouse or whatever, kids, or couch, whatever. You know, say anything is gonna be close to the midline like that.

You're gonna hold it in tight and you're gonna pick it up, right? So, yeah, it's a very functional exercise to emulate things that you would probably do in real world. You get strong at doing that. You're less likely to hurt yourself doing one of those movements. Now, talking about it for only building muscle or burning body fat, like, yeah, if I had a client that that's all they cared about. They're not looking for real world functional strength. And they're saying, Adam, can I do a different exercise besides this? This bothers me so much or I hate it. Then, yeah, I would exchange

it with another movement. But obviously, if this person is doing this and it's something we programmed, they're following either performance or strong, which I would think you're interested in either the strong lifts and movements, which this obviously pertains to that, or you're interested in performance and real world strength, which is what performance is all about. Yeah, and what I like about the Zertr-2 is II is, again, you have a barbell, so you can load that substantially if it's a goal of yours to get really strong in that lift. Like, the Atlas Stones, very similar in terms of, like, except for you can do a little bit more rounded back

lifting with that, which is challenging because not a lot of people, it's not an ideal posture to be in, but it's also important to strengthen that to be able to navigate through that position because that's a real world position. Yeah, it's the good kind of rounded back lifting, right? So rounded back, I'm not referring to rounded lower back or bad posture. I'm referring to the shoulder blades not being pinned back, but rather being slightly rounded forward, which is how you lift things in the real world. And that position right there, you want to get stronger too.

You don't want to just have a strong back with your shoulder blades pinned back. You want them to be strong with your shoulder blades in different positions. Zurcher squats encouraged. That's how I noticed. I got good mid back development from it. Yeah, we're not posture robots. Next question is from Zach Tuss. What program would you recommend

for someone who wants to maximize benefits while losing weight? I don't want to lift just to maintain muscle. I want to improve other things at the same time. I'd imagine something like map performance would be good because it would help maintain muscle while also improving other athletic factors that won't be minimized during weight loss.

Yeah, if I had to recommend one program for someone to do forever, that will give them best of all worlds, right? You're gonna get muscle strength, you're gonna get some stamina, some endurance, you're gonna get mobility, you're gonna reduce your risk of injury, you're gonna feel really good, and you only could do one of our programs, it would be math performance. It really would, because it takes all those things into account.

Now, here's the wonderful thing about taking all those things into account. Long term, the side effect of that is you look the best, okay? So it might not be a bodybuilding program, like maps aesthetic, but in the long term because of the improvements in mobility, fitness and functional strength and movement, you're going to just look better long term. You're just going to overall be much healthier. This is something that I think is important that people consider, especially aesthetically driven people, like if your goal is just to look good, and that's one of your favorite aspects of fitness, and you plan on working out forever, like you should, then you need to consider your mobility and your functional movement. You need to consider those things because if you start to lose mobility, if your functional movement starts to decline, which it will, if you don't consider them in your training, those will start to decline, you'll start, if you don't consider them in your training, those will start to decline.

You'll start to lose the benefits of your favorite exercises. You'll start to lose the benefits of a squat. You'll start to lose the benefits of a deadlift. And what'll end up happening, which I've seen many, many times in people who've been lifting for 10 plus years, is that they end up removing exercises from their repertoire. I used to be able to front squat. Now I don't need more because it hurts this. Oh, yeah, I used to bench press.

Now I can't need more. And you start taking away some of the best exercises all because you never consider mobility. It's like that repetitive stress. Like at a certain point, you keep doing the same thing over and over again in the same plane, you know, your body is going to start to respond to that negatively. And I do agree with this program being one of those that addresses all the abilities of the human body and really takes into account joint function, joint health, movement in general.

And so all those things, like if you're just focusing on that, your musculature will benefit as a result of that. And again, your physique will be desirable, but also, like, it's more long-term. So it's more about quality, quality of how I feel and how I can do things and still have abilities versus just, you know, like, I can be really strong or I can be really buff, which are very important things as well,

but this is not one of those, it's very direct in terms of those attributes. We're all going to say the same thing. Mav's performance is the program that I find myself going back to as far as the elements in it. You know, lateral training in there, anti-rotational stuff in there, mobility work. When I think of how I live today, where it's just more focused on general health, strength, good mobility. These are the things that I want long-term. Yeah, this is the single program that I think that somebody could probably run the rest of their life and be completely fine. You're

going to build a great physique from it. You're going to stay healthy, stay fit. It's even got an endurance component in there, so you've got some cardiovascular like out of it. So this program for sure is that program, although I think all of them are written in a way that you could follow them for long term and be totally fine because we cycle and phase everything. This one I think addresses a lot of stuff that I remember having to address with all my clients. Next question is from Grant Sattersweight. When following the program, when is it advisable to go off-script for the sake of fun? Oh, well, fun is great when it comes to exercise.

Even if it slows down your progress in the short term, if you learn to enjoy exercise, the likelihood that you'll do it consistently in long term is much higher. I mean, I used to use this example with my clients all the time because they would always ask me questions like, you know, what's more effective? Like writing a stationary bike or walking on the treadmill on an incline or what's more effective working out in the morning or working out in the afternoon? I said, okay, I said, look, here's a deal. Let's say waking up at 4 a.m. and swimming in a cold lake was twice as effective than going for walks after work with your kids.

Does that mean you're going to do it more consistently? Is it going to be more effective or are you going to stop doing it because it's 4 a.m. and it's a cold lake? So when it comes to having fun, that's a very important component with exercise. If you enjoy what you're doing, again, you're more likely to keep doing it. And so I think if you're thinking long term,

going off the script to enjoy yourself, probably always a great idea. Now, if you're a timeline, if you're an athlete, if you are gonna compete, if you're an athlete, if you are going to compete at a particular time, if you have a very specific goal, sometimes going off script for the sake of fun might not be a good idea. If I'm a bodybuilder, I'm going to be on stage in four weeks and I rather than going to the gym to work my back, I'm like, you know, it'd be more fun if I went mountain bike riding. Maybe not a good idea because that'll hurt my score on stage. Otherwise, I think this

is a good thing for most people. Now, what I, what we typically recommend is for most people, if you, for example, let's say you signed up for one of our, our workout programs, the first time through, follow it like it's laid out. The second time around, start making changes, listen to your body, do things you might find a little bit more fun, start to learn your body. That's such an important part of longevity when it comes to fitness. I think that this is, I often script and fun is how I train all the time. The only time that I was following something to a T was competing. And for the reasons that you just alluded to was, you know, I had a time for it. I had to, I had to improve my physique every single time I got back on stage and I had a small window

between every show. And so there was everyday counted, every, everything I ate counted, every workout counted. And, you know, the, and that's what makes it like a sport, because I'm competing against other people. Anybody else who didn't treat it that way probably didn't do as well. But for real life and enjoying the gym and training, I think it's important to do this. I think you should do this more often than not.

You just gotta know that. It's okay that if, and then we talk about this on the show a lot right sometimes A workout for me it might be literally the whole hour is centered around squatting Me getting down and doing some 90 90 stuff then going doing a set and then assessing how my movement is then going back and doing some combat stretch And then going back to the squat and and then assessing how my squat is again, and then maybe doing some single leg stuff to prime, or doing some jump box stuff to get me, and playing with an exercise for an entire hour

to see how I can improve it, and really pay attention to where my breakdown is, like, I like that, I enjoy that, or an exercise like the Turkish get up, which some people think is a waste of time and we talk about all the values and the benefits of getting good at it. So maybe my training for a while sometimes is all about the Turkish get up. Like everything about making the Turkish get, which means I'm doing all that and anything else

that I do is to compliment that. So for example, if I go to do a Turkish get up and I lack good, my shoulder is not, I'm not holding the kettlebell above my head right because of my shoulder mobility. So then the other exercises I'm doing is to get more mobile shoulders so I can be better at my Turkish get up. Like now training this way, I know I'm not building the most muscle I possibly can that week or I'm not burning the most muscle I possibly can that week, or I'm not burning the most body fat. But what I do care about is that it's benefiting me. It's giving me a new goal or a focus, and it's fun. And it's what keeps me always coming back to the gym,

and it makes it easy to be consistent, because it doesn't always have to translate into the scale and my body fat percentage and how much weight is on the bar. So I think this is a very important aspect of training. I think most of us should train in the fun place, but I do agree with Sal that I think it's very important that everybody follows something that's been written by a professional first.

So you understand what good programming does for your body. If you wanna make quicker or faster changes, and how your body should feel when its exercises are programmed correctly and sets and reps and you cycle in and out of phases, so you know what that's like. And then after you got a good concept of that, then I encourage this way of training.

Yeah, the truth is people who constantly work out to hit a goal are not nearly as consistent long term as people who work out because they enjoy the work out. So remember that for yourself. It's great to have goals, it's great to want to hit those goals. But what's going to keep you consistent long term or forever is that you enjoy what you're doing. Well, it's a difference with really like turning that into a lifestyle or not.

And again, I can't help but think it's sports like going into it like looking at a very specific thing that I have to do. And so you're very rigid and being disciplined because you know, it's all riding around this type of work that you put into now to them perform. If you don't have that kind of restriction and that kind of timeline and temp, like it's crucial to add fun things to mix it up just because it's all about frequency, it's all about constantly moving your body and that's what's gonna pay off long-term. Excellent. Look, MindPump is recorded on video as well as audio.

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