Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1533: How Lifting to Failure Slows Your Gains, Exercises That Help Knee Pain, the Foolishness of Post Workout Gummy Bears & More

Episode Date: April 16, 2021

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about whether lifting to failure taxes the Central Nervous System like lifting heavy, exercises to help with knee pain, whether CBD is a positive “post workout,” and the truth about Gummy Bears as a post workout snack. Mind Pump further expands on their past podcast positions. (7:02) Science without morality is very dangerous. (19:16) The science behind apricot kernel oil found in Caldera Lab’s face serum. (24:14) The times the guys had to eat soap. (29:07) Do redheads have a higher pain tolerance? (32:35) Workouts and depression. (34:29) Mind Pump addresses the voting controversy in Georgia. (36:24) Fun Facts with Justin, Doctor Seuss edition. (40:09) UFOs have exploded! (43:52) Mind Pump Recommends, Jocko Willink on the Jordan Peterson Podcast. (45:14) Justin is the new supplement thief! (50:17) #Quah question #1 – Does lifting to failure, bodybuilder style, tax the Central Nervous System like lifting heavy powerlifting type maxing? (52:14) #Quah question #2 – What are some exercises to help with knee pain? (58:59) #Quah question #3 – Is CBD a positive “post-workout” or does it prevent the positive inflammation from resistance training? (1:02:21) #Quah question #4 – Are Gummy Bears a post-workout snack? (1:05:29) Related Links/Products Mentioned April Specials: MAPS Anabolic or Shredded Summer Bundle 50% off!  **Promo code “APRILSPECIAL” at checkout** Monetary Theory Definition - investopedia.com Mind Pump #1270: Peter Schiff On The Post COVID-19 Economy & How To Thrive Number of U.S. properties bought by Chinese 2020 Tonal, the at-home fitness company backed by Amazon, hits $1.6 billion valuation on new funding round, readies for IPO Steak-umm's Twitter Account Feuds With Neil deGrasse Tyson Over Science: 'Log Off Bro' Visit Caldera Lab for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout for the discount** Do Redheads Need More Anesthesia Than Others Non-drug therapies as good as or better than drugs for treating depression in people with dementia Will Smith Pulls Production of Upcoming Movie Emancipation from Georgia Over Restrictive Voting Law Dr. Seuss Wrote 'Green Eggs and Ham' on a Bet Pentagon confirms leaked video of UFO ‘buzzing’ Navy warships is genuine The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast - Season 4 Episode 13: Jocko Willink Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout* Best Workout Routine for Guys Who Can't Put on Muscle – Mind Pump Blog MAPS Fitness Prime Pro | Muscle Adaptation Programming System MAPS Prime Pro Webinar Mind Pump #1435: How To Kick Your Sugar Addiction In 5 Simple Steps Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Mike Matthews (@muscleforlifefitness)  Instagram Peter Schiff (@PeterSchiff) on Twitter Brendon Ayanbadejo (@brendon310)  Instagram Connor Murphy (@connormurphyofficial)  Instagram Jordan B. Peterson (@jordan.b.peterson)  Instagram Jocko Willink (@jockowillink)  Instagram Jim Stoppani, PhD (@jimstoppani)  Instagram

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salta Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. In today's episode, we answered fitness and health questions that were asked by our audience. But the way we opened the episode was with an intro portion. This is where we talk about current events. We asked by our audience. But the way we opened the episode is with an intro portions, where we talk about current events.

We bring up our sponsors. We talk about scientific studies regarding fitness. Signed out. The intro portion was 47 minutes after that. We got to the questions. Here's what happened in today's podcast. We opened up by talking about past podcast positions. We talked about some controversial stuff

and past podcasts. So we brought them up again and stoked the fire one more time. Podcast positions. We talked about some controversial stuff in past podcasts, so we brought them up again and stoked to fire one more time. Podcast positions. Then we talked about money, monetary theory, basically the economy and the fact that they're printing money out of thin air. What we think about that, then we talked about Neil deGrasse Tyson. He did a tweet about science, gotten some beef with a beef company. Kind of interesting. He's grassy. Then I talked about the science behind apricot, kernel oil, how it's anti-inflammatory, good for the skin.

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Then I brought up red heads in pain. Oh, you know you like it. Then we talked about workouts and depression. Believe it or not, fitness is better for depression than medication. Yeah, take that form. Then we talked about Will Smith pulling his movie out of Georgia because you know, he wants everybody to know how good he is.

Then we talked about Dr. Seuss again, some more fun facts. I brought up some UFO news. More UFO stuff, Can you believe it? It just keeps happening. Then we talked about the Jordan Peterson Jocco interview, great conversation, and then we got mad at Justin because he ate all of the Organifi Pure, which is why he sounds so smart and sharp.

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So the first question, this person wants to know if lifting to failure taxes the central nervous system like heavy powerlifting type training. The next question, this person wants to know what are good exercises for knee pain. The third question, this person wants to know if CBD post workout will help or prevent muscle growth. And in the final question, this person wants to know,

if it's a good idea, gummy bears post workout because an idiot named Dr. Integrity said if it's a good idea, gummy bears post workout because an idiot named Dr. Integrity said it was a good idea. Also, we are running a huge promotion because it's getting close to summer. So we're putting two very popular programs and program bundles on sale. So Maps and a Ballack, one of our most popular workout programs is 50% off.

We also have the Shredded Summer Bundle, which is 50% off. By also have the shredded summer bundle, which is 50% off. By the way, the summer bundle includes maps aesthetic, maps prime, maps hit, and the intuitive nutrition guide. So both those things, half off, go check them out, go to mapsfitnisproducts.com, and use the code April Special with no space for the discount. You guys end up coming in and working out this morning. Is that true? No, I didn't. I didn't.

I know, I know you do. I've been skipping my work out lately. You didn't hear me slamming weights while you're in your interview. Were you working out? No, I didn't. Yeah, today I took it off. Were you guys on the before program? We sat.

Yeah, we were before. We don't want to get too buff, you know? Yeah, it's too intimidating. I know, you know? We're so much stronger, everybody. I don't want to get too buff, you know? Yeah, it's too intimidating. I know, you know? We're so much stronger, everybody. I overcame that fear. Well, plus I feel like you're less insecure when I'm not as buff,

you know what I'm saying? If I'm, I get really. You're doing it for me? Yeah, I'm doing it for you. The show is better because I think of you in that regard. It's your handsome face that bothers me. Well, yeah, in the combination, if I was the jacked guy of the group right now,

you know what, you're a very caring guy. I am, I appreciate that. I appreciate that. It would just be too much. It's just too much. We can't have you be too handsome. Yeah. What is it off day?

I kind of know I need to lift today. So I need to let I'll probably lift when I get home today. So I came in. I got in a little late today. Late start. Probably I was probably about 20 minutes. Well, 20 minutes late to what our workout would be. And I knew you were interviewing with our boy, Mike Matthews, which it's gonna go long.

Yeah, so I was like, I was in no hurry to get around today. I was like, yeah, Sal won't be lifting there. He's gonna be recording my ass. When I talk to him, when I talk to him, I'm like, oh, someone else that could talk forever. Yeah, I mean, I see him. Oh, hello. Yeah, that's the thing.

I have to interrupt him. He, yeah, I was gonna say. He might be worse than you. I think that with you, I think you get, maybe that's because we're in person. You can self-sensor. Well, you know, he has, but like, Sal has good social cues. Like, Sal could be like rambling

and he can see the look on my face. It's like, he's like, oh, Adam's over. It's a conversation. So that he moves. He wraps it. Well, also, I mean, to give it to be fair, Mike does his podcast by himself. Yeah.

And I do with you guys. Right. So I've learned quite a bit, like, when to like stop or whatever. He hasn't learned that. That happens when you fly solo. So, yeah, I know. I cut him off all the time,

but he's so smart and he's so good. I can go, yeah. But I do, I cut him off like, he'll be talking about, and I have to do that. And then he's like, stop, son and I go. I love to talk to Mike. So he's got an incredible business mind too. Smart, yeah.

I know you're very smart. He's known on the web, obviously, for his fitness knowledge and stuff like that. But I mean, he really was a brilliant internet marketer that saw the opportunity in the fitness space. Very similar to us, yeah. And he's a writer. And he only writes what's proven.

So he's very smart about that. Doesn't make any crazy claims. Do you know, he's the way he got COVID? You guys know that? I did know that. Yeah, dude. He was like barely sick for like three days. He said he had, he was congested for a few days,

just a little bit, and then it was gone. Didn't his whole family get it, dude? Or did he just, just him? Oh, just, yeah, he was away from them. And you know, okay, so here's, this is a funny thing. By the way, this is, I'm not a doctor, so whatever. This is just people I know. I know someone who got the vaccine,

and after the second dose, they don't from work for three days. Yeah. Because they felt so bad, terrible migraines and phlegias. I was my brother. Yeah, yeah, same thing. And then my, and then Mike suggested a little bit with actual COVID.

Well, anecdotally too. And I know I don't know how, if they've tested for this or whatever, but somebody in really good health standing, like typically that I've seen that happen the more people I've talked to about it, like their symptoms are pretty much nil. Did you guys get a bunch of DMs after the J&J talk?

No, I didn't, did you? Oh, yeah, I did. I thought I was surprised that you guys did. After the vaccine. Which is so weird, because I wasn't the one that brought it up. Why do I get fucking bombarded with people telling me? Easy. Is that what it is?

Yeah, you should have been so. This would get them going. No, and what was the, what were the, that's all right. Well, I know, I thought you, you know, I guess I'll have to go back and listen to that episode and hear how you talked about it when you guys brought it up. Because I thought you, I don I'll have to go back and listen to that episode and hear how you talked about it and when you guys brought it up. Cause I thought you, I don't, I didn't know. I just said there was zealots on every side.

And there's a lot of them. Yeah, and the messages I got were like, you know, to be fair, you know, you guys should share about J&J that this is actually really common and normal and statistically speaking, it's not. Well, yeah. What the fact is, like six cases out of like six million. Right. Oh, no, I, they're like,

should they're in jail? Yeah, I agree. Like one person needs to compare it to like birth control. There's a higher risk of you using birth control than there is. No, this is the taking this vaccine. No, here's the truth.

The, the so far, they've, all the ones that are out, so far have been proven to be extremely safe and very effective. Now, the reason why I say so far is it's impossible to no long-term effects until we've done them for a long time. Which it's likely there's not gonna be any, but you can't say for sure we don't know until they've been around for a long time.

That's all, that's all it is. And that's just based off of that's real data, real numbers. Yeah, no, I thought you were fair. You know me, I'll jump in and say something if I think that you're being too biased about something. I thought it was a good question. But I do like, of course, it's very nuanced.

Everybody gets triggered. And I do like hearing people who are healthy, who get it, and then don't get, just for my personal, because you guys know I'm a hypokondrapped. Yeah, so I hear that, like, oh cool. Yeah, I'm at least as healthy as mine. Oh yeah, I love hearing the stories. People getting through it, like, you know, because you guys know I'm a hyper-condrax. Yeah. So I hear that, I'm like, oh cool. Yeah. I'm at least as healthy as mine. Oh yeah, I love hearing the stories, you know,

people getting through it, like nothing. Like nothing happened. And speaking of things too, that we covered, money monetary theory, quantitative easing. Quantitative terms. Those were the terms I was searching for. Quantitative easing just means print money and then buy shit with it, just inject the market with fake money.

Yeah, but the theory of that is if you doing that grows the GDP by five to 10% that negates the amount that they borrowed to do that in a sense. They're a print, I should say. That's the theory. The theory is, I like to call that, the unicorn economics. I know, no, I mean,

meaning that has been gone. Well, listen, those are the, that's what directly. Those are the, those, that's what directly opposes your economic philosophy is, is MMT is, you know, money monetary theory and quantitative,

quantitative easing, which is the idea that, so long as when you print these bills, that it grows the GDP by X percent, that it negates the amount of money that you print. But really what that is, that means that we just keep pushing this by more, by more, by more. My challenge to that is, is that a good thing? Sure, to keep the economy afloat in the current state, but the religious side of me goes

down. I don't know if just pushing everybody to be consumers, consumers is the right route. Yeah, okay, so this helps me understand at least when it was told to me. So when you talk about the economy, what you're really talking about is the productive abilities of the people, right? So what are people producing? What are they innovating?

And are we becoming more efficient and are we becoming better at whatever we're doing? So if the economy grows, typically that's what you want from it, okay? Now if the economy grows because we're all obsessed with buying stuff, does that mean we're better off? I don't think so, right? I don't think so. I think we're better off when people are healthy,

mentally, physically, spiritually, and that will turn into better investment. Problem is though that we haven't been measuring it that way for decades. It's just dollar. Yeah, we measured by dollars. The GDP grows, we're not going like, oh, do you think that was more innovation

or spiritual awareness? Nobody is saying that. They're not going like, oh, do you think that was more innovation or spiritual awareness? Nobody is saying that. They're like, it grew by 10% from last year. We're spending more money on economies growing. But remember, that also counts dollars spent by the government. So they could literally print a bunch of money and just spend it on anything. And that goes towards the GDP. We, oh, it grew by $10 trillion. And then, you know, but the government took $10 trillion and bought you know pink You know cars or something because they wanted to like whatever they if they just spend money it goes towards It's bonds and securities and stuff. That's what they normally do to do that and but again if it grows the GDP by X percent that it again I hear what you're saying. Yeah, and by the way, I don't agree with this economic theory

You know, I subscribe to the money. Well, money means something. It has to represent something. If it doesn't represent innovation or production or efficiency, then it's just paper. So if we increase the amount of money that's circulating without any increase in production or innovation or anything else, all that means is everything is twice as expensive or whatever, that the cost of things goes up

because there's nothing backing that money, there's no increase in innovation or anything else. So that becomes a problem. And what happens is the people with a lot of power, the people with the most influence are people who obviously have lots of money, lots of assets, banks and stuff like that. And so for them, that's okay if they get all this money

because they're not going to pay the big price for it until it starts to trickle down to everybody else. Like if, let me put it this way, if the government printed out a trillion dollars and gave it to you just by yourself and you bought a bunch of stuff with it, you buy a bunch of stuff before it started to inflate, right, before it starts to really have a negative effect. So, and when they first did quantitative easing, it was after the 2008 crash or whatever. Is that when it was? Yeah, and then I remember people,

like people who are part of the school of Austrian economics, or even the Chicago School of Economics, Milton Friedman type people, they were saying it's not gonna stop. They're never gonna stop now. Now that they're doing this, they're never gonna stop. Well, because they were right.

No, I agree. And that's also why when we were discussing, oh, and again, it also circling back to our conversation, I wanna make sure, and by the way, I appreciate this. I know it's teasing the vaccine people, but I do appreciate when people DM, especially when you're smart and you have something to share and contribute to the conversation.

Yeah, I'm always open minded. And if I said something that was wrong, I want to correct myself. But the other thing was the, oh, Harry, Harry Dent guy. Yeah. Oh, I know. He's been wrong all the time.

Yeah. So actually you said that I went home and like started digging deeper on him. And he's, he's very much so similar to like a Peter Schiff where it's like doom and gloom for three decades in a row. It's like, of course you're going to be right three times. You know what I'm saying? If you predict a crash and you've been saying a crash

for 30 years straight every year consistently, like, of course, eventually it does. I don't think any of you would be like, no, Mr. Damos. Yeah, I don't think anyone's gonna see that. I don't think anyone's gonna see that. I think he's gonna see it out there.

One of them is correct. Yeah, so technically he's actually wrong more times than he's right. Yeah, they talk about how. Well, he made a hard prediction. Didn't he say like, by June or July? Right, so that's very balsy to come out with a date like that and say, well, I see this big cry.

And I disagree. I just don't, I think back to our point we're talking about right now, I think they have found out that we could just, man, we could just print another couple trillion. I think we will stretch the hell out of this. I think before we see a big crash, we will see an even more ridiculous amount of money printed.

I think we will see a number like five to $10 trillion in one shot. They're not stopping, dude. No. This is so wild. It's funny money now, dude. This is so wild. It's getting that point.

And then I also saw, I was reading another article or listening to an interview at Kenton, on my channel, it was that one in five homes, which is 20% of homes that are purchased right now are like financial entities or China that are coming in and buying big investors. Yeah, so fine. It used to be that the...

These cash offers everywhere. Yeah, and the investors used to mainly buy multi-unit homes, like apartment complexes and stuff like that, single-family homes. Typically, they didn't touch, right? But now you're starting to see them really jump into the single family home market. Yeah. And that's part of what it's obviously driving up these ridiculous prices that you're seeing, which I don't think is going to stop anytime soon. No. Yeah. I'm curious about that because I've seen

it personally a lot because of what's been available. And then you see like everybody getting out bid and then these cash offers coming in like last minute. But I do think that there's some, sometimes you can actually write a letter, you can make a personal sort of note to the person's son, the house, and you can actually get some kind of connection there versus if somebody's selling their home, sometimes they will consider, you're a family,

you live here, it's not just like some financial group coming in. Well, you know what the problem is? The problem is, is the way that people have retired and have built wealth in the past is changing. And so what we have in our head, this is similar, we have this conversation about college, where it used to be, you get a degree,

and that means that it's a low investment because college was cheap, and it's a low investment because college was cheap and it's a great guaranteed way or almost guaranteed way of improving the likelihood that you'll make more money. Now that's not necessarily the case, it's becoming less and less the case, especially the cost of college going up.

So it's challenging that old paradigm. Well, the old paradigm around retirement and investing was own your house, pay it off. And that's how people built their wealth. Yeah. There's a lot of ways to invest your money. And in some cases, it's not smart necessarily to own your home. It might be smarter to rent your home and then use that money and other investments

that are a little smarter. It's tough when you've been taught that as part of the American dream. Dude, I battle with it. No, I did too. I struggle with myself, because that's my dad already hammered that into my head. And in my head, always make sure you pay off your house,

always have, that's the number one. And he grew up the old school, you know, way or whatever. So that's the problem. So you get all these companies buying and renting these houses and people like, oh my God, I'm not gonna be able to own my own home. There's a lot of ways to grow wealth and invest, not just that.

The last thing I'll circle back on that we talked about the other day also was the conversation that I had with Brendan over a tonal. So he actually texted me yesterday. Oh, did he really? Yeah, yeah. It was a really nice text. He actually said, I actually text him first about something. I don't remember.

I think we were talking stocks. Because I do like talk stocks with him. He responded back to me. Man, I was just thinking about you. I wanted to send you a really nice note after our aggressive conversation via Instagram, that's now, and then he went on to tell me how much he respects me and loves me, but all this stuff like that.

And I said, the feeling's mutual. And what I really appreciated about him, because we went pretty hard on each other on the, yeah, there was no shortage. It was rough. Yeah, because loves were rough. Yeah, gloves were off. There was definitely jabs and uppercuts that were thrown within the intelligent debate back and forth.

And I said to him, I said, you know, I know you so well that I don't take that personally and you're just as competitive or more competitive than I am. And I really look at it the same way as a wide receiver hitting a DB off the line or a catching an elbow when you're going to get a rebound. It's part of the game. It's part of the sport and I don't take it personally and I don't get offended and I actually really appreciate having that with another intelligent person that I completely disagree with. Like socially, economically, like we're in polar opposites on so many views, but I think it's so healthy to keep people like that close to you.

Totally. Especially it keeps you sharp too. It does. Either one, it either opens and changes your mind or strengthens your argument, and I think it's important that you don't, and we're in this time of ghosting and blocking, and people are getting so offended because you had a different opinion about something. This was literally an investment conversation.

Yeah, and people get so mad that they lose friendships or they, and that's weak. You're evil if you have a different opinion than me. That's like where we've gotten to. It's really upsetting. To me, it highlights weakness. You're weak. If you can't, like, if you're so weak

that you can only be surrounded by people that agree with everything that you say. Like, you're not gonna do well. Something's gonna happen. Life is gonna be- My ideas need to be tested constantly. Did you guys see the exchange between, was it Neil deGrasse Tyson and this meat company?

No. Okay, beef or something. I forget what the name of the company was, but basically, they've kept checking Neil deGrasse Tyson's tweets all the time, because I mean, they're a little bit pretentious, if you will. So he wrote some tweet out there. Maybe you could pull it up, Doug, between the two of them, the exchange, but basically, like Hugh saying something like science

is always right regardless of your beliefs or something like that. I'm totally misquoting it. But it's basically like, and they're like, no, that's not really how science works. Science, you're always trying to disprove and then see what's left standing. Well, okay, catch me up to his stance.

I don't know his stance on what you're discussing right now. I wanna read the, yeah, he's a hard-core vegan guy or what's his, no, no, no, it has nothing to do with the beef company. The beef company just checked him on one of his tweets that was about science. Yeah, read that, read that tweet up there, Doug, was I say? So he said, the good thing about science is that it's true, whether you believe it or not. There you go. And then what did they say?

That's not true. Yeah. I don't know what they're saying. So yeah, if you go down, if you go down that one right there, yeah, read that one. The irony of Neil's tweet is that by framing science itself is true. He's influencing people to be more skeptical of it in a time of unprecedented misinformation. Science is an ever refining process to find truth, not a dogma. No matter his intent, this message isn't helpful. Yeah. So that just reminded me of what we're talking about because it's, you know, like that's

the pursuit of truth is really at the heart of it all. And it needs to be tested. And science is continuously about like hypothesis and like testing the hypothesis to find law. And the only time it's true is when you find the law. You know, some of the worst travesties that humans have ever done to each other were done in the name of science. The thing about science, and yes, it's true if you find objective facts or whatever with through scientific study, that's true, but that doesn't make it right or wrong. Science without morality is very,

very dangerous, and you see this with the crazy studies that they did in the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, even here, some of the studies that we did on people, just in the pursuit of seeking scientific truth, we did some terrible things to people. And we still probably do, we don't know about. So, science is a tool, but if you worship that tool, you better be careful. It's the greatest flaw in our industry.

I mean, what you see this every day in our space, it's one of the biggest, you know, things are problems that I have with our industry is I mean, what you see this every day in our space, it's one of the biggest things or problems that I have with our industry is that, you know, we marry an idea because a new study came out or we find a way to monetize it. And so you become so dogmatic about it when the truth is that there's a very good chance that that theory or idea or that study ends up getting disproved in the next decade. So I can't stand that. I can't stand when we take something and then we build this whole thing around it.

And it's like one study, one example of a group of people for a short period of time that went through something that proved an idea is right 80% of the time. That is not law. That is not fact. That is like a good, it's a good guess maybe in this direction or maybe a good idea for us to investigate or look at or to consider, but it's not, and we have to get away from this idea that,

and that's what you get in a bunch of these intellects in our space that are PhDs, and they love to sit here and debate each other. Are you wrong stuff sometimes? Yeah, they argue all the wrong stuff. It's like, it's splitting hairs, conversations, and and we and you can see it's still prevalent in our space by the questions that we still get. How often are the questions we get? It's like, God you guys, it's you're asking the wrong questions. Yeah, no, that's a great point. I'm coming from a trainer,

right? So with experience working with people, if a person were to ask me, what form of cardio is going to be best for me? I want to burn body fat. My answer is going to be very different from the researcher who researches cardio and for its fat burning or whatever calorie burning benefits. If they ask the researcher, the research is going to be like, oh, this form right here, the data shows it burns the most calories. If you ask me, the trainer, I'm going to say to you, the one that you like the most. Because as a trainer, I know, the thing that we need to focus on is consistency. I don't care if swimming is more effective at burning calories than cycling. If you like cycling, do that one.

Don't do the one that the studies say. This is the stuff that's important that you're, that's missed sometimes with scientific study. And you're right, when they do the whole splitting a hairs thing, you know, 10% more fat loss if they ate, you know, within this window of whatever. Yeah, that's stupid. That's dumb. Speaking of science, I've been reading up on some of the oils that are found in that Caldera lab, oil that you put on your face all the time. Oh god, does care made credible? No, good stuff. Okay. He's like, by the way, the thing you've been putting... Actually, you're gonna mute it. No, what on your face all the time. Why do you know that? Oh god, it does scare me incredible. No, good stuff. So, okay.

He's like, by the way, the thing you've been putting, actually you get a muting. No, what about your face? No, one of the main ingredients. They have that in the J&J vaccine. Yeah. Yeah. One of the main ingredients is good to whole metamorphosis.

Apeca, a kernel oil is one of the main ingredients, anti-inflammatory, good for eczema and psoriasis. Oh no, okay, that's now so, okay. I know you've been loving it. Well, part and I think I shared this originally, right? When I first started using it, I've actually gone away. So I have like a prescribed cream that I have that I don't like to use.

It's like a mild steroid cream that I can use when my psoriasis is in your own steroids. Yeah, it gets out of control. He gets out of control, but I really try and minimize that. I don't want to use it, and I really don't like using that on my face or my head. It's like, I have some really bad spots on my shin and stuff like that. If it really is bad, my diet's off and it flares up, I might get it to tamp it down, especially if I'm wearing shorts.

But I have spots all over my head and face, whether you can see or not. There's like, I have a spot here, here, here, back on my head. And when I started using Caldera, I normally, I noticed it, it damped it way down. And so that is part of the motivation. Of course, I like how it makes my skin look more vibrant and gives me this, I don't know,

feels like it shapes off a couple of years, but mostly it was the psoriasis thing. I noticed that when I was applying it to my face, so I've actually started to apply it to all the other spots. Now I just kind of piece that together, I did not know the research. Yeah, and then a lot of the compounds in there are balancing, so this is why, like I told you guys,

like I was always reluctant to try any oil because I have oily skin anyway. I don't put oil on my face. I'm already greasy. I'm already grown up. But it didn't do that. In fact, it actually made my skin less oily. And then you have Justin who's on the other end

of the spectrum. And it's pretty much will turn to dust over for your face. Yeah. Yeah. And just flaking it. And it balanced it out, but it's got those natural compounds and stuff like that.

And even more, I wanna use it even more after I keep reeling, I'm going so deep into these chemicals that affect your hormones and shit. I know, man, it looks seriously. I'm getting alarmed the hell out of me and I've been really conscious of that too. Even soaps and like, shampoo's like the whole gamut of anything else that I'm putting on my skin, dude.

I gotta, I gotta not really watch out. And you know what, like, I talked about this, we talked about this way long ago on the podcast, like I'm not the type of person where I'm gonna be like super, and no offense to anyways, like this, that's hippie crunchy and it doesn't wanna do any of that stuff. Like I, I like, I won't be crunchy.

I, but if there's areas in my life that I can just make a simple change, for example, not microwaving my shit in plastic, like that's not like, you know, that's not a big deal. It's not a big deal. It doesn't change that big, soap, like I'm not like a guy who's like married to a type of a soap that it's gotta be this soap, like if I can get a soap that doesn't have those chemicals in, why the fuck

not? So there's a lot of areas that take my axe body spray though. Yeah, I'm not going to be a guy though. I'm not going to be zest fully clean. Well, I'm also not going to be a guy who's in a situation where I don't have access to that that I'm going to freak out. Right. Oh my God, this one time I've got to use, you know, fucking Irish spring or whatever.

It's like it's not that big of a deal. But if I can make these habits in my day where I, subtle changes, my laundry detergent, I'm not married to that, you know what I'm saying? All the soaps and the counter stuff, like that's all the important stuff. Right. And then the other stuff is like,

if you cook with non-stick pans and stuff, that's not good at all. Yeah. So don't cook with non-stick. Good like a skillet. While iron or you can ceramic or they have some nonstick stuff that doesn't have those chemicals. But yeah, that nonstick material, they find that in like babies. Oh my god. Press milk. It's like so it doesn't go away.

Did you see I tagged you on Conor's post? He post about the video. Was that where you got it? Sound like verbatim because you talked about it I talked about that stuff that book that came out and I didn't listen a whole video What do you say? Oh, I mean it was everything you said so that's why I was like you must have read the exact same thing because he's Listening to it. I'm like I think south said those of all those were so blows my mind still with this guy like I'm sure you read that that that that morning and I'm listening to someone else talk on this video and I mean it was Aaron Brock of it. Yeah, this video and it was Aaron Brock of it.

Yeah. Is that who it was? That's through there. So the book was written by someone else, but Aaron Brock of it is that she's like that environmentalist like attorney. Yeah. That does a lot of research. Yeah, the author of the book, I remember her name was something else and she's the author

of the book. So she's the researcher talking about all this stuff. Okay. So it came from the same place because I like listening to him like, oh my god, I thought it was literally everything in the salad was regurgitating. Yeah. Dude, you brought up Irish Spring. Okay, so it came from the same place, cause I like listening to him, like, oh my God, I thought it was literally everything in the saddle was regurgitating. Dude, you brought up Irish Spring, that's so, when you guys were kids, did you guys take it home,

like when your mom bought my mom bought that, right? So when I had it, the commercial, the guy cuts it with the knife, yeah, the knife is. Did you guys cut it? I had to try that. I got in trouble for that. Did you?

Yeah, dude, because she bought it, and I'm like, oh shit, and I was like, I don't know how that was like, nine, or whatever. a massive chunk. I got my dad's sheet rock knife, you know, because it's really sharp. And I was like, oh, fuck, look at this. Just cut it. I want to see what this is all about. My mom just blasted me. Yeah. I got so much trouble for that. Why did you cut this something like the successful marketing right there? They cut the soap in the commercial mom. I know. Yeah, it made it so obvious. You guys ever forced to eat soap for thing bad work? Yep, yep.

Well actually the worst. Now that we know all the chemicals and soap things. Thanks mom, mom. Yeah, did you guys, like, so the worst of it was, I had like the liquid soap that she put on my toothbrush. Oh, that's fucked up. Brush my teeth with soap. Wow.

Yeah, what did you say to do that? Why did you do that? I think I said fuck. That's it? He's just fuck something like, ah fuck it. Yeah, like I was like a little angsty kid and I had enough and then I paid the price. Do you remember how old you were?

I don't remember how old I was. I don't know, dude. If I had a guess, I was probably nine. That would be my guess. When you ate soap. Yeah, I think I got soap in the mouth for a while. I don't know if I could say 10. Only a couple times.

That wasn't like a, and you know what's funny? Actually, if you figure out when I was not, when did the Christmas story come out? Oh, that was so, that was, it was something. Yeah, you weren't even, I mean, it was after that. That was born. It was in the 80s. It was early 80s.

I wanna guess 84 would be my guest Christmas story. So I wonder if like my parents watched that and that was like, oh, that's good. I said, I said, I, I said stupid in eight soap. That was the word that I said. Because my mom's, did you call your mom stupid? No, it would have worsened so.

Yeah, you could, I would have been, I could have been, I could have been chewing my teeth. I thought I would have been eating if I said 83, could have close. No, it was, I said, she did something in it under my breath after I'm walking away. That's stupid.

Oh, I remember one. Excuse me? Yeah, when I was, I was fishing with my grandpa and we were out on the lake and he caught a catfish. And for some reason, he just hated catfish. You know, he could not stand them. They're bottom-fifters. He's like, I'm not going to cook this.

I'm not going to be eating with it. And this is gonna piss off a lot of the, not, what's the group, Peter, thank you. Yes, can piss them off. He basically took it off the hook and was just like, these goddamn catfish, pop, pop, pop, pop, smack it and kills it, throws it right back in the lake. Right? So I'm just a kid and I'm like, whoa, that was intense. You know, we get back to the campsite and my brother did

something stupid, he flicks me in the ear or whatever. And I'm just like, I was like, God damn it, stop doing that. And then like everybody turns their head over and they're like, what? And I had to eat soap. Dude, my cousin had to eat soap because he said dildo. And we were like nine. Now, how, he didn't even know what that meant.

He heard some kids say it. He didn't know what it was. Yeah. And so he's just like singing a song. It's a dildo. There's a dildo. Like a dildo. And I'm like, next to him, I'm like,

yeah, dude, you did a dildo. It's dildo. And we got in the car. That's the jam. We had to eat soap. That's the jam. We had it so. But they never told us why. Wait, why would it deal though, me, mom? Nothing.

Yeah. It doesn't mean anything. Oh, yeah. Hey, so you guys want to hear some cool, did you, have you guys heard this before that people with red hair, they need more anesthesia? Have you guys heard that?

Yep. I did not have her. My mom is red headed, so yeah, this is just that. She's a ginger. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if that's that. So is it just specifically red-headed? Because like, I feel like, you know, there's more, like I feel like they told me that I had a bit of that as well.

Maybe. So I never heard this until I started training, I was a trainer and I had clients that were anesthesiologists. And one of them was talking, I was asking, like, hey, what'd you do today? He goes, oh, I had a case or whatever. He had red hair, so we gave him a little bit more. And I'm like, what? And I thought he was joking, like stupid.

Why would you do that? And he goes, no, he goes, literally, they require, in any case, is 20% more pain killer to get the same effect. Now, is that with Novakain too? Because a lot of Dennis had to like, keep reapplying. Really?

So it has something to do with the skin pigment. There's a, because of the pigment is a certain color, there are cell, transversal,on that no color. Yeah, absence of it. Yeah, there's a cell there that apparently has to do with the fact that they, how they perceive pain.

This is true for red-headed mice as well. Oh, I don't know that was red-headed mice, but I read this study and that's what it said. I'm totally Googling that after this. Yeah, yeah. So it's true for them as well. Yeah, I mean, isn't that, it's kind of, you would think that's what makes them as fighters tough too.

Redhead people? Yeah, can they be able to tolerate what? I don't know if it's pain, firey, and pistuff. Yeah, I don't know if it's like, they could think more pain like that, or if it's pain killers. Yeah, so I don't know. We could try punching Justin.

You're just trying, that's for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Well, a punch you punch me if you see me. More on the science tip here. So a cool study came out on depression and had a treat depression. So check this out, right? They compared drug therapies to treating depression

to non-drug therapies like exercise, touch, occupational therapy, that kind of stuff. I just heard Jordan Peterson say on his interview with Jocco that resistance training is actually the number one form. For, to depression? Yeah. Yes it is.

And what it says here in the study is that exercise, cognitive stimulation, exercise, and social interaction, okay, were more effective than the drugs. That's, he said that that's also what would slow down cognitive decline more than anything else. It's the only form of exercise that has been shown to do that.

It's the only form. Yeah, that's the only cool cool. If you think about it, this is my theory is why is because if you look at dementia Alzheimer's, I mean they call Alzheimer's, I mean, they call Alzheimer's type three diabetes, right? So they say it probably has to do with the brains inability to deal with or process sugar, insulin resistance is tied to it, it's closely tied to it.

And there's nothing that you can do that is better than building muscle by itself for helping your insulin sensitivity and helping your body deal with sugar. If you build more muscle, insulin sensitivity improves, and you have a larger capability to store and utilize in burn sugar. So this is why I think resistance training is the most favorable for things like Alzheimer's

because it's not just the act of resistance training because anytime you exercise and you're moving, you're improving insulin sensitivity, but rather with resistance training, it's the after effect, it's the adaptation. You have a little bit more muscle, now your insulin sensitivity is better and you can utilize sugar better. So it's again, one more thing. One more reason. That's right. That resistance training. So you moved us to science, I'm going to moved back over to controversy here. What, did you guys see Will Smith pulling his next movie out of Georgia? Yeah, I saw that.

So explain this to me. So it's over the voting laws. And what did they put in place there that's different than ever? So I'm unaware of this. I was also unaware that Georgia was like, that's like a booming industry, is they have a ton of contracts with like Netflix and a lot of that. Georgia's, so there's swing state.

So it's gonna be kind of a political hotbed, right? So to my knowledge, the voting law now is gonna ask for ID in order to vote, but it also expands voting booth access allows people to vote earlier but it also expands voting booth access, allows people to vote earlier. But anyway, nonetheless, the people on the left say that asking for ID is racist for voting. They're calling it voter suppression. People on the right are saying why is asking for ID?

Racist, we should ask for ID because of potential voter fraud. There's so many other examples where you need an ID for, you know, you could just come up with a million. Yeah, I don't understand that the, no, no, the truth is I haven't seen evidence of widespread voter fraud. I know there's lots of claims, but so far the evidence doesn't show that there's crazy voter fraud. Nonetheless, I don't get why these, why it's racist to ask for ID.

I don't know. I want to know, I would like someone why it's racist to ask Friday. I don't know. I wanna know, I would like someone to explain that better to me too, because that's why I was bringing it up, because I don't know. It never made sense to me. Yeah, because also too, it's like a very, that same sort of group is then so vigilant about like IDs

for getting guns, right? Yeah. So what's, I don't understand the difference there. I don't think, I think, well, I feel like- I think what they probably found is that asking Friday reduces their chances of winning. So they're coming out with a political way to, you know, to sell, not allowing Fridays. Hmm. I mean, who knows?

Now, what I do agree with is that, even if that doesn't make sense, and but it does align with your values or you do, or so maybe you're somebody on the left, maybe Will Smith is a liberal, I don't know where he stands. I do agree with the, hey, it's my movie that we're doing, and I know that's gonna infuse the, yeah, this the, well I know the Major League Baseball pulled, didn't they pull the All Star game,

or move to Colorado? Yeah, yeah. That was from where though. Was that from Texas? No, it's from Georgia. Oh, it was from Georgia also. Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. Oh, wow, they're really trying to get them, huh? Yeah, I don't know. It's interesting. You know what the, you know, though, if you play this game, if you're a big corporation and you start to play this game, you gotta be careful. It's gonna bite you back in the ass because if you're the NBA, You gotta be careful. It's gonna bite you back in the ass.

Cause if you're the NBA, okay, if you're the NBA and you're pulling games or whatever, because you disagree with a policy, because you say it's, you know, I don't know, it's oppressing people or it's discriminatory and you're telling everybody, look, we're so good. And yet you do a shit ton of business with China that literally is putting people in camps

like forced-in-termic camps because they're Muslim or because they're Christian or whatever. Which is happening. You be careful because the same, when you start to do that, now you're open for attack and you should look like a massive hypocrite. It's like when celebrities make a lot of money

and then they go and because they need to be important, right? They go and they hammer everybody about their carbon footprint. Meanwhile, they own like a yacht in 10 houses and private jets on their own. It's like, dude, you're better off just shutting your mouth. Because then when you now you open yourself up for a tack and you're not going to stand that test because you're a hypocrite on paper. So that's the issue I have with it, but I don't know. They're free to do that, I guess.

I saw one of you guys had notes on Dr. Seuss too what came out of the article. Yeah, I was actually, it's totally non-controversial. Oh really? Yeah, because I was gonna bring that up in a controversial conversation, but hey, here's something. So did you know that green eggs in ham, I guess that it was actually, Dr. Seuss made a bet with his publisher that he could write a book within 50 words.

And that's how he did it. That's how he did it. Wow. And that's how that book was created. And that's like his staple, you know, most popular book. That happens to be one of the most popular books too. Yeah. And he did it in just 50.

He did it as like a bet with his publisher. Wow. They could do that. That's crazy. That's smartly pretty funny. Yeah, we're reading the baby Dr. Seuss every night. So we pull out the books and read them. Are you? Yeah, and he's, what's one are you doing?

You know what you're doing right now? Oh, we did the one fish, two fish one, did a night, and we're just picking random ones and reading. I'm doing the alphabet one right now. And what is that called like when you, you put like five words that all start with the same letter? And it's actually, I like it because it's like, it's actually helping me pronounce words better.

I know we bust my balls all the time about pronouncing words really well, but to actually read that book and read it with speed is hard to do. And it's subconsciously training, training even me to be more verbally accurate when I say things. And it's, I forget what that's called.

Is there a literal iteration? That's what that's called. It's a literal iteration. Like, he builds that into so many of his stories. That's part of the brilliance that you don't even realize. You think it's rhythm, the cadence of the poetry of it. Yes. I swear he's like one of the most brilliant writers ever.

And the fact that you're getting to read it, which is also, I think why it's something that I know he got beat up right over those handful of books or whatever, but so much brilliant work that he's created for children. Yeah, well they actually pulled it themselves. That was the whole thing. Yeah, they did.

So it wasn't like the controversy came from outside. They just decided to remove it. Preemptively canceled. Preemptively canceled to themselves. I was trying to read my son, A.S.O.P's Fables. We ever read those? Saws, but he didn't, I mean, the book had like no pictures. Yeah, that's pretty fun.

He has five months, right? He has to have pictures. So I'm like doing that. He's like, not interested. So just because like, all right, let's grab the Dr. Seuss. And let's go through that. Max is continuing to go through these different phases where originally, because I started reading from,

I mean, we were reading to him when he was in the womb. So I started reading to Katrina's belly for before he was born. Then he was born, and then he's like breastfeeding, and I'm reading like, and obviously not paying attention. And then I remember, I can't remember exactly what month, but I do remember when he like, oh wow, he sat in between my legs

and wanted me to reach him. It was like the coolest thing ever. And then we went through that for a while. And then he got to a phase where you like wanted to tear the pages and do also that. And I'm trying to stay organized to like keep him reading through the books. And then he fell off that for a while.

Then he actually got even more into the books where he wanted to turn the page. He was no longer tearing them anymore. And we're at this weird face again right now where I can't read a book without him like knocking out of my hands or like changing the book like I can't I want to finish it all the way through and he's like he wants everything like it and I don't know if it's like the novelty of something new. Yeah. Because he can't he doesn't want to sit through the entire book. You want to see the picture and then

what's the next picture. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I can't he doesn't want to sit through the entire blood. You want to see the picture and then what's the next picture? Yeah, yeah, or like yeah exactly I can't read the page because he's like already wanting to turn it or give me a no No, not that book dad this book. I hear you know right now right now my little boy thinks I'm the funniest person in the world for whatever reason I'm like hilarious So we're just like I'll just come home and he sees me and he's this thing that dude He just thinks it's so funny and and just cuz like I can't get him to laugh like that I'm like yeah, but you know if anything else, he wants you at least I'm funny. At least he thinks I'm hilarious, but you know, so we have a lot of fun with that.

So Justin. Yes. More UFO stuff. Oh, boy. Really? Bro, it comes out every week. There's new stuff. So a new video came out of a...

I stopped paying attention, dude. Dude, I don't understand. I don't understand what's going on this year. It's like in last year It's like UFOs have exploded. Yeah a pyramid shaped UFO video came out. Did you see this one a pyramid now? Yeah, it's like like a take-tax they've had like you know different shapes Like spherical one. No, this was like a triangle pyramid shape flying. And then the way the Pentagon came out and confirmed the validity of the video.

The Pentagon? The Pentagon. What is happening? I don't know, dude. They're preparing us for some shit. Where was it flying over? I don't know, where it was. Oh, you don't know.

So this sounds a lot like Stargate to me, dude. You know, like remember when they had the Is that Kurt Russell? Pyramid, the such a great movie guys came Oh, so it comes down it like lands like right on top of the pyramid and then it like it beams them down in through those those shafts and Anyways, it's just funny that like okay, so there's a UFO now that looks like a pyramid interesting Yeah, okay, so this film was taken by the US Navy.

So it was the Navy that filmed it and then the Pentagon came out. That's the last time a framer. Yeah, the TV is a Navy. Did you got to either one of you guys finish listening to the Jordan Peterson and Jocco interview? No, how was that? Really good. Yeah, really, really, I mean, they got into, Jordan Peterson interviewing chocolate, which is funny, because I don't, I actually don't,

I don't listen to Jordan Peterson's podcast, no, I was just interested in that conversation. He has such a hard time interviewing people. Oh, he's the interviewee. Yeah, usually. Yeah. And so I, And we can, another guy who could talk forever.

Yeah, and I imagine that, you know what, and here's the thing though, he's so brilliant, it doesn't bother you. So you're like, you're, you're almost always interested in what he has to say. So I get that's probably why his thing is, I'm sure his podcast is massive. Uh, but I could also see how you can get really annoyed if like you're un there to listen to the jock.

We mean, I thought I was a guest. Yeah, dude, a 100%. I know other people that probably come in a show are just like, okay, you want to do this or like this? Now, what are they talking about? I already say some of morality of war. Yeah, yeah, so he really got into the morality of war and really challenging Jocco to articulate that for him,

like what that whole process has been like for him. And Jocco's very, very intelligent man and can is a great communicator. And so to listen to him kind of walk his way through that and explain his experience like everything from like, to break down like rules of engagement. Yeah, you know, I thought was an interesting fact. I don't know that much about Jocco being completely truthful.

And this is good too. I should address this on the podcast because I get these DMs all the time. Like everybody wants us to interview Jaco and Goggins, right? And truth be told, I'm probably out of the three of us the most resistant to it. And the reason why that was was I worked for a not a green beret, but a maybe seal. Yeah. And he was completely like, that's how he ran our team. I worked for him for many years. And it doesn't mix well with you.

It doesn't mix well with me. I'm not a yes, sir, man, or do as I say, and then ask questions later, type of guy. And I just, there's a ton of application from the knowledge and the books that all these guys have written and the way that they have applied what they've learned from war into business. I am not denying that there's a ton that I learned. But then there's also another side that not everybody that's working for you is signing up to be a soldier. And there's quite the art to getting everybody to move in the same direction when they don't want to be there.

It's like there's a big difference, right? Or they don't care about saving their putty, right? Like the army and the Navy, they do such a good job of like training these soldiers to be about the team and that we're all here for this cause. The stakes are so high, survival is that it's right. So even though there's lots of parallels with building a business and running a team,

there's still a lot of differences. And because I had that for so many years, and I did, like I said, learn a lot, I tend to not gravitate to those conversations very much. I'm just kind of like, it's cool. I'm cool with it. But in his defense, Jocco is a very, very intelligent, brilliant, great communicator. And I love the

way that he articulated like his thoughts on war. I thought it was interesting that he chose, like, in order to get to the rankings that he was at, he chose to go, he had to go back to college. Like, you have to have a certain level of degree to get to the level that he reached as a, like, a commander of seals. And he chose English as a major. And I don't know if that strikes you as odd when I was just kind of like why? Yeah, right. So at the reason is because of how much in a leadership role, in particular, then they have to be able to write and read. If you get, if anybody gets a promotion, filling out reports on everybody, filling out reports,

reading rules of engagement, challenging rules of engagement or direct orders from above, he goes, you can't just get something, right? Because you receive it, you rules of engagement or your orders, you know, and a 12 page document. And it's written by a bunch of, you know, litigious people, and then you're going, okay,

how do I take that information and then disseminate that down to my team and to get it done? And he goes, and then when there's areas of contention, how do you then articulate that back up the chain of command to get what you want, and save your people's life? Wow, that's interesting. I thought it was really interesting

and how much that applies to that position and how brilliant for him to have that foresight to know that that would be something valuable. What a difficult conversation, the morality of war. Did you guys know that the Catholic Church actually has a war, I think they call it a just war doctrine? Did you guys know that? They actually have criteria for what they would consider

as a Geneva convention that has like most the rules? I don't know, no, I think they have their own. Like, this is the criteria for a just war that they would consider. I thought that was very fascinating. It's interesting. Very interesting, but they did that. Speaking of war, so who usually takes all the supplements? You?

Yeah, but guess what? Have you wondered Adam? Why there's no more pure this guy? Hey, man this guy all of it. Oh now the shades come in all of it. We're out I actually went looking for it. Yes. How many do you take a day? Well, I was I was consistent You know, I was very consistent with it was helping a lot and guess what we ran out, you know like I you're gonna get stupid again And guess what we ran out, you know, like I'd you get stupid again I'm not a true musician that commercial from war is it fucking war

Supplements I take personal offense when there's a supplement gone Yeah, I'm like the supplement guy I thought I was the only one like it's just using especially on the pure side because like you guys were talking about green juice And all that no I haven't I had some I have some at home Well, I was using it when, when Sal was making it for every, every morning, but I don't only take what I give him. Yes, he doesn't give it to me. I'm like, I'm whatever.

Must not be that important anymore. Yeah. Just one of these times. But I have seen, I have seen you get, I can see you. I was loved to, yeah. Can you have me just, I was in hey guys, I mean, while we're podcasting. He's like, look, I know you're talking about a study

right now, Sal. Yeah. Fuck, I love you guys. Oh man, seriously. You didn't know how much I love. I love you guys a new chair. I'm a good sport. If you do that to me I'd be I mean probably initially mad but I'd laugh later on Hey, you guys want to just sit in the same chair. Yeah, it's just all sit together Yes. Shhh. Shhh. Quick call. I'm going for everything. Max, call. Today's call is brought to you by Max and Obolic. If you're looking to maximize your overall muscle and strength,

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Does lifting to failure, bodybuilding style, tax the CNS like lifting heavy, power lifting type maxing? The reason why you have to put in what they wrote there, because it makes a difference, right? And correct me if I'm wrong. I think that this person is alluding to like bodybuilder style, workouts tend to be isolation exercises primarily. They don't do a lot of compound lifting,

where the opposite is true with power lifting. Powerlifting is all compound lifting, right? That's a primarily compound. Yeah, so when you train, if you work out with any type of intensity or volume, there's always going to be, you're always going to challenge the central nervous system a little bit. And if you over challenge a C&S, it needs to take time to recover. And this can be a problem when you're trying to build muscle or improve or whatever, you're

physique. Now, the first part about lifting to failure. Now, here's a deal with lifting to failure. You know, when I was a kid, it was told to me, or at least I read in every bodybuilding magazine, that lifting to failure was super important because you need to work out intensely in order to send the muscle building signal.

And because failure, because there was nothing beyond failure, except you could do like four streps and stuff. But other than that, if you went to failure, you know you went past the point of sending that signal. And in theory, it sounded good. Now, here's a deal. One of the most mind-blowing changes I ever made to my training was in my 20s

in my late 20s, where I stopped training to failure. And I did this because I started to look at strength athletes programming. Power lifters, Olympic lifters, rarely ever lift to failure. They just don't do it very often. Oftentimes going to failures on the day of the competition. And I thought, God, I wonder if that will benefit me.

I stopped lifting to failure, started training intensely, but I would stop about two to three reps before I thought I would fail, and my body just responded. The studies now support this. Studies now show that intensity, that going to failures too much intensity. It's too much intensity for most people.

Occasionally going to failures okay, so you know where it's at, but as a tool to get your body to improve, it's too much, it'll slow down your progress. Yeah, I was kind of reading this question a little bit differently. So in terms of hypertrophy and trying to max out and going to the point of pure fatigue.

So I'm getting that sort of where my muscles feel super tight and I can't even perform the rep anymore. And then I'm tired, I'm fatigued, versus maxing out completely and going to failure, you know, doing a heavy compound lift, like a dead lift or, you know, a bench press or something like, there's a little bit more of a dire consequence than one person. You know, that's exactly how I read this.

I read this as, somebody is comparing body billing type training, let's let, and of course we're over generalizing this, but that is more like going to failure on leg press and leg extension. Yeah, okay. Versus the guy or girl who goes to failure on a squat or a deadlift, which one's more taxing for the CNS?

That's obvious, yeah. Well, it's obvious to us, but I think that's why this person's asking this question. Because there's a lot of body builders, there's a lot of body buildersers, there's a lot of body builders that have incredible, you know, pro-physics that trained to failure all the time, but they never do these compound lifts.

And this is part of why they get away with that. They get away with that because it isn't as taxing on the body as going to failure on a deadlift or on a squat. You can go to failure on a leglift or on a squat, you can go to failure on a leg press and recover a lot quicker than you could doing that from a squat. That's true. Which is also true why you don't get as much bang

for your book though, too. Yeah, that's true. And that all exercises, you know, exercise are different. They're not all equal and some give you better results than others and some tax your body more than others. And isolation movements tend to tax your body a lot less than compound movements. So going movements tend to tax your body a lot less than compound movements.

So going to failure on a bicep curl is not as bad, I would say, is going to failure on like a pull-up, which both hits the biceps pretty well, but one is a compound exercise. This is also how I would modify my training sometimes when, let's say, you know, because we tend, because we tend to push people in the direction of more of the best bang for your buck exercises like the compound lifts.

So of course, most of my programming is built around that. But every once in a while, I get, I overextend and I train really hard, let's say, and I really get after squats and then my hips are sore. But then here I am back two days later and I'm supposed to do, you know, front squats or something else.

This is sometimes where I go, oh, I'm gonna leg press today. Or, oh, I'm gonna do some machine work on it. It's less of a challenge. Exactly. So, I mean, so I think the question's a good question if I'm receiving it correctly, that, yeah, they are different.

And, you know, back to what I was saying originally, I just think this is an important message. No, you're right. If you're listening or watching this, don't, if you go to failure and your workout, stop doing that. And watch what happens. You'll actually progress. Well, we've talked many times before about paradigm shattering moments in our career.

This was one of them for me. Like you, I went through a phase of leaving two in the tank. I don't remember who I heard that from first or what got me to do that, but for a extended period of time, I said, okay, I for so many years, I was the kid who wanted a spotter, everything was defaulier, forced reps, because I thought that's what I need to grow.

Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and put this into practice and see if I go to the complete opposite, what kind of, and I saw huge benefits from it. Strength gains, muscle gains, and I had already been lifting for a really long time. So it blew my mind that training that way. And don't forget too, when you get to those levels of pushing to failure,

that's where the risk also increases. So if I'm not gonna get that much more gains from it, or not even as much gains from it, and then also increase the risk, why would you almost ever do it? It should be something that you rarely do. Right. And then also low rep sets, even if their intents tend to cause less stress on the body, then higher rep sets, you know, within reason.

So if I do a set of, you know, squats, and I'm maxing out at two reps, and even if I'm going to failure for two reps, it's actually not going to tax my body as if I was doing the same thing with 15 reps and going to failure on 15 reps. So you also have to calculate all the volume. And volume includes the total amount of reps that you're doing in your workout. So it's really important to understand that the right dose is best. That's what's going to get you there the fastest. More or less than that will get you there slower. And if you're a fitness fanatic, realize that your tendency is to try to do more. So always, in my opinion, air on the side of less, and you'll probably do better. Next question is from Helene Asco One. What are some exercises to help with knee pain?

Oh, yeah, good old knee pain. You know, here's something interesting about knee pain. We've actually talked about this before on the show. And if you have our Maps Prime Pro program, you'll find that we don't have knee-specific mobility movements or exercises in the program. And someone might say, well, why? A lot of people have knee problems. It's because the vast majority of chronic pain

that people feel in the knee is the result of a dysfunction from either the ankle and the foot or the hip. It's typically where you'll find the dysfunction. If the ankle, the foot and the hip are working really well and moving really well and strong and there's good mobility, nine at a 10 times or maybe even 10 at a 10 times, there is no knee pain.

Yeah, I go for it. It's a hinge joint. Yeah. It's functioned literally is to extend in flex. And so everything else in terms of rotation and stabilizing, you gotta look at the hips or the ankle. And so I guess that's why too, we direct a lot of the attention in there,

which, you know, will reveal a lot more about where the dysfunction lies. I would go even further to say that it's always hip or ankle unless you have an acute injury. Right. So unless somebody, you know, literally tore a ligament in your knee or, you know, cracked or broke your patella, some shit like that. If you didn't, if you don't have an acute injury that happened in the knee, but yet you have knee pain, it is going to be the ankles and the hip or and or probably both. As many times if there is some ankle dysfunction that it's running at the kinetic chain

and it's causing issues or lack of mobility in the hip. So the answer to this, the exercises that would best suit this person and, you know, Sal alluded to, Prime Pro, I address two of my favorite moves related exactly to this. And because knee pain is so common, that's why these two moves found their way into that webinar.

Like, I chose what I thought were some of the best mobility moves that helped most people that I ever worked with with the most common things that they dealt with. Knee pain was extremely common. So the combat stretch for the ankle mobility and then the 90, 90 variations for the hips doing those Movements will help alleviate. Yeah, I would say if you're watching this and you have some chronic knee pain Probably get 70 80% you will see benefit from just doing dry things

I mean again if you just to illustrate right if you look at the knee joint and it if flexes and extends There are ligaments that prevent it from extends. There are ligaments that prevent it from laterally bending and they're from sliding forward and back and from twisting. So it's kind of like, it's like all bunch of rubber bands holding it in place, allowing it just to flex and extend. Now, when you look at the hip or the ankle, they can rotate, they can move laterally, they can flex forward and back. All this movement, but the knee doesn't. So if they're not strong and mobile and stable, the ankles and the hips, then what's holding that knee in place

are those ligaments. It's keeping it from twisting. It's keeping it from... It stresses them the hell out. Yeah, you just over time, you constantly walking, constantly walking, and your meniscus is always making sure that nothing's twisting because your ankle is so messed up or whatever because your hip isn't very mobile. Then over time,

oh, my miniscuous has pain or oh, look, I have, you know, issues with my patella or whatever. It's in so it's usually always coming from those two areas. So I would say look there always. Next question is from Elfers to 15. Is CBD a positive post workout or does it prevent the positive inflammation from resistance training? I know you guys promote CBD, but I'm just curious about this instance. Yeah, that's actually a good question, right?

So the reason why they're asking this is, when you work out, you send this inflammatory signal. You actually start to get a little inflammation. You got into the conversation of is inflammation really bad all the time? Right. And you need this inflammatory signal, you actually start to get a little inflammation. You get into the conversation of, is inflammation really bad all the time? Right, and you need this, right? This inflammation signal is what tells the body to build muscle and to recover. Studies actually show that when people take non-staroidal anti-inflammatories, often they actually build less muscle and over time they actually start to get degradation

of their joints and stuff because it's blocking the inflammation signal too much. So the body's change. Yeah, so the body's not doing anything to build muscle or strength in because of it or doing less. So this question is, because CBD's anti-inflammatory, is that going to dampen the muscle building signal?

Now, here's the thing with CBD. It's not nearly as anti-inflammatory as like ibuprofen, right? So you're not going to get this super strong acute anti-inflammatory response. It's kind of the systemic anti-inflammatory response that happens and you get a little bit when you take it once, but over time, you start to see it also balances out inflammation.

Now will it reduce the muscle building signal? Maybe maybe we're splitting hairs here, but the way it works is different and It kind of balances out inflammation. So I would say in some people You might even see the use of cannabinoids help them build muscle So as far as whether or not it's good or bad post workout I would say you're probably splitting here. Now to take it as a workout performance enhancer and that kind of stuff, I think, based on money.

I also think that's kind of... Yeah, I guess I would question, what is the desired outcome of even taking it post workout? Like why would that, I mean, the only thing I could think of is something maybe somebody likes to use it. I think it recovers as well. I think it's as remote as recovery aids.

Oh, that's a good point. There are a bunch of dumb, dumb, and our space that have been promoting it like that. You're right. No, no, okay, so I get, yeah, no, that's a terrible way to use it. Bringing down stress, anxiety, helping you sleep at night, gut issues if you're trying to.

Chronic inflammation, if you're fighting that and you're gut or something constantly, I think it's a great aid for that. But yeah, in terms of like Information from and stress from workouts like I don't really see much And you know and in the back in the day and especially in the 70s I know that the the bodybuilders of Southern California It was the thing that they did post workout is they all

Smoked and it's smoke a joint. They'd eat a big ass meal and then they go in the sun and then they go lay out in the sun Yep, and I mean I know they're all genetic freaks and on steroids and stuff But they were so attuned to their body. There's a lot of things right back I'm sure they would have stopped that they said oh wait. I think this is making me right lose muscle They would all have a like I said a joint post in that famous scene from pumping iron right when Arnold at the very And he's got the shirt that says new maroon Arnold Arnold's new maroon, he's hitting a joint. So next question is from T W Parker 34, our gummy bears for real as a post workout snack.

This is, I hate this. Have Jim, uh, follower. You know what? No, it's become way more popular than just that knucklehead. I mean, it's, yeah, it's become a thing that, I mean, and just you're right now that you guys, you know, we just that knucklehead. I mean, it's become a thing that, and just you're right. Now that you guys, you know, we just answer the CBD one, you're right, Justin, I have seen quite a few fitness

inflows because CBD's become so popular in our space and that you've got a lot of these, you know, they're just trying to find more angles of how to sell. Yeah, and they don't understand the science behind it or really how to use it. And so it just makes most sense to pitch it as a post workout. I have seen that now.

Yeah. And the gummy bears thing has been popular for a while now and more and more people are jumping on the balance. Okay, this annoys the shit out of me. So this is based off of science. It's off the Dextrose. Yeah. If you eat a fast digesting form of carbohydrate post workout, you'll replenish glycogen

stores faster than they also say, oh, getting an insulin spike post workout, you'll replenish glycogen stores faster, then they also say, oh, getting an insulin spike post workout is a good idea because it helps build muscle. Yeah, okay, again, we're splitting hairs to the point where it doesn't even make sense anymore. Then honestly, this is an excuse to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, post workout.

So it's like, oh, no, I'm, yeah, I'm a fit guy. Oh, of course, eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to eat, to getting popular was because, you know, I battle with sugar addiction. And I would have loved to... Any excuse. Oh, if this was popular when I was 20, I would have been this kid. That's all I need to hear with some PhD fitness guru telling me that I should consume gummy bears because they have a ton of dextrose in them

and this is going to make the anabolic window even better or speed up my recovery. I would have jumped all over that. And the truth is, like, at one point, if you're somebody who is constantly eating candy like this, you're being the same boat as I am. Like, back when I was 20 and I could eat whatever I wanted and not put on body fat and all I cared about was how I looked and I didn't care about my overall health and I didn't think like, oh, one day I'll be 40 and not running around 15,000 plus steps every single day and my roaring metabolism.

And now here I am battling this sugar addiction that I have allowed myself to have. So I hate this advice. Even if you can get away with it as a young guy or girl right now to do this, it's terrible advice from fitness professionals that are pushing this. I think you're stupid for doing that.

Yeah, if you want to eat candy, then go eat candy. But if you're gonna say that, say that it's the whole process. If you're gonna say that it's because it's good for your fitness, then I'm gonna be pissed off because that's not true. It's the wrong message. Look, do you, okay, first of all,

replenishing glycogen post workout, not that big of a deal, unless you plan on working out again, right away. And by the way, starches do just, do a damn good job. You have a fucking potato. You have a bowl of rice and freaking eight ounces of steak or chicken. Yeah, no, can't, this is dumb, and it's totally away

to justify eating garbage. It doesn't benefit you. You're not gonna build tons of muscle doing this or burn more body fat, doing this. It's not gonna do't benefit you. You're not going to build tons of muscle doing this or burn more body fat doing this. It's not going to do any any more. You're just eating fake food post workout. You like gum. I love gummy bears. My favorite candy in the world. Okay. Don't get me wrong. But it's not a post workout snack. That's yeah. Save it for you. Believe it. Cartoon. Save it for the, you know, once every six weeks when you go to the on a movie date and you really wanna have gummy bears.

So I'm saying, don't justify it as a ritual and a behavior that you do after every work. Totally, and then as far as spiking your insulin to improve muscle growth, I mean, yes, I know pro bodybuilders take insulin and they take it with carbohydrates and that helps them build muscle, okay, I get that. Very different than trying to spike your insulin

with sugar, which you don't wanna do that all the time. It doesn't make any sense to constantly try to spike insulin to build more muscle. You don't, you want to be very sensitive to insulin. You don't wanna have to spike it all the time. And whatever, you're not gonna gain any really muscle from doing that. Bodybuilders injecting insulin is totally different.

What's also, by the way, is not a great idea, but that puts muscle on, but they're injecting it. That's totally different. Not to mention the behaviors that come behind this, okay? You eat gummy bears every single day. A fucking apple is gonna taste bland. Your vegetables will taste terrible. That's what happens.

So you don't wanna get in the habit of doing something every single day, and I'm speaking from experience. I'm telling you that this was me. I was a kid who ate candy every single day, and for the long time, I didn't think that apples and grapes tasted like anything. I hated vegetables.

So that's what you're messing with, all in the name of getting an insulin spike. Get out of here with that. Terrible advice. And by the way, they're saying it's sugar, right? Why is it gummy bears? I don't know, they focused on gummy bears. Technically, according to their theory,

it could be any sugar stress. It's dextrose. It's dextrose. on gummy bears technically according to their their theory. It could be any ship or not Dexrose and gummy bears sticks It's gummy bears. I think is one of the candies that has like the highest level of Dexrose in it That's the reason why they promote gummy bears. I love gummy bears Look if you like our content you'll love mine pump free dot com We have lots of free guides there. You can download you can also find all of us on Instagram So you can find Justin at Mind Pump Justin, me at Mind Pump Sal and Adam at Mind Pump Adam.

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