Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1543: The Importance of Squeezing & Stretching the Muscle for Growth, How to Quickly Increase the Number of Pull-Ups You Can Perform, When to Use Muscle Finishers & More

Episode Date: April 30, 2021

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the whether the muscle squeeze or the stretch is more important for hypertrophy, the benefit of doing pull-ups everyday to increase proficiency, when “muscle finishers” should be used and how much daily cardio is enough. Adam divulges his new diet.  (3:08) How Mind Pump is working on their creative flow. (7:47) When a gender reveal party causes an earthquake! (11:01) The guy's recap UFC 261 and the Jake Paul/Dana White beef. (12:47) LeBron James is really annoying off the court. (21:33) Why Biden’s proposed climate change policy is not feasible. (24:35) Mind Pump Workouts: How improved mobility leads to building more muscle. (28:15) Sal gets roasted on social media. (35:30) Mind Pump Recommends, WeWork: Or the Making and Breaking of a $47 Billion Unicorn on Hulu. (42:26) Mind Pump Debates: Does Tesla own the electric vehicle market? (49:45) #Quah question #1 - Is the muscle squeeze or the stretch more important for hypertrophy? (1:00:37) #Quah question #2 - Could doing pull-ups every day increase my proficiency? (1:04:31) #Quah question #3 – When should “muscle finishers” be used and how important are they? (1:09:00) #Quah question #4 - How much daily cardio is enough? (1:13:06) Related Links/Products Mentioned April Specials: MAPS Anabolic or Shredded Summer Bundle 50% off!  **Promo code “APRILSPECIAL” at checkout** Visit Caldera Lab for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout for the discount** Gender reveal party using 80 pounds of explosives sets off earthquake reports UFC 261 Results: Anthony Smith's jabs, kick lead way to win; Uriah Hall has somber victory Jake Paul's beef with Dana White just got really accurate and very entertaining LeBron James deletes tweet targeting police officer who fatally shot 16-year-old Ma'Khia Bryant Fact-check: Does Biden's climate plan include reducing red meat consumption to 'one burger per month'? Mind Pump #1535: Should You Squat Below Parallel? Why Mobility Is So Important For Being Healthy – Mind Pump Blog Generation Hustle | HBO Max Originals Watch WeWork: or The Making and Breaking of a $47 ... - Hulu Visit Blue Chew for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “MINDPUMP” at checkout** Why Can’t I Feel the Right Muscles Working? - Mind Pump Blog Stop Working Out And Start Practicing – Mind Pump Blog Cardio Sucks for Fat Loss – Mind Pump Blog Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Dana White (@danawhite)  Instagram Jake Paul (@jakepaul)  Instagram Brendan Schaub (@brendanschaub)  Instagram LeBron James (@kingjames)  Instagram Mind Pump Memes (@mindpump_memes)  Instagram Elon Musk (@elonmusk)  Twitter Ben Pakulski (@bpakfitness)  Instagram

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that actually produced an earthquake. These things are getting at a hand. Please stop. Then we talk about the recent fights, the ultimate fighting championship fights. Those were pretty cool, which let us to talk about LeBron James. Oh, that guy needs to shut his mouth.

Then we talked about the climate change policies. Is it true that you can only eat one burger a month? We dive into that. I'm gonna eat a bunch. Then we talked about mobility and building muscle. I talked about doing deadlifts to failure, probably a bad idea. Then we talked about how I got roasted

on a Mind Pump memes page. Fuck idea. Then we talked about how I got roasted on a Mind Pump memes page, fuck you. Then we talked about we work, is a company that's crushing right now, and then we did, there was a debate about Tesla. So I was on one side, Adam was on the other side, Justin was in the middle, referring as usual. I think I was on Adam's side. Oh, there you go.

But there you go. Pick a side of you. Then we got into the questions. The first question that we answered was, is the muscle squeeze or stretch more important for building? Then the next question, this person says, look, I'm bad at pull-ups.

Can doing some pull-ups every day make me better at them? The third question, this person says, look, when should I do muscle finishers? These are exercises that bodybuilders like to do, typically at the end of the workout. Should I do them and where's their value? And then the final question, this person says, how much cardio is enough to do every single day? Also, only one day left for the biggest sale and promotion we've done in a while. And this one was huge. Lots of people signing up for this one.

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go to mapsfitnessproducts.com and enter the code April Special with no space for the discount. I started the new diet last night. You started the new, oh you're doing a carnival. No, I'm not. No, I'm not. I'm doing my own thing. Matter of fact, I'm going to write a book afterwards.

What's good, what's good, what's good, what's good, Adam Minervore. That's right. It's like an Adam Navore. Yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a bit of a stretch. It's, first of all, there's no way I could do the carnival. I like, I like started thinking about Mike. Yeah, you don't have the discipline. Yeah, you's a bit of a stretch. It's, first of all, there's no way I could do the car. I like, I like started thinking about Mike. Yeah, you don't have the discipline.

Yeah, you're right. Remember that one time when we fasted? Only the most disciplined. Yeah, I'm a fucker of the group here. No, actually, it's true. We all did a long fast one. I'm not bringing it up. Five and three and one.

You gave up first. I did. I did. I think it was like, you went like four hours. But the main reason for that was, I was already in fantastic shape, and I didn't want to lose anyway. Oh my god.

That's a great excuse. You know, and you guys had a lot of flubs still ago and so I figured like, they could use three days. Yeah, just say flubs. You said flubs. Like it's flubber, like it bounces in really. It's flubber and fluffy at the same time. Yeah, it's not even firm, flubber.

No, so I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do like elimination diet, carnivore,ore S whatever the fuck I feel like thing. So nothing, you're gonna do nothing. It's gonna be out. It's gonna be out. No, no, no. Okay, it looks very carnivore S. Okay, give us the details. Break it down.

What's the structure? Ground beef and rice. Ground beef and rice. Yeah, that's it. That's the, that's primarily it. I mean, I can have ribeye and tritib. So meat and rice. Yeah, rice is gonna be the one that's gonna be the one that's gonna be the one that's gonna be the one that's gonna be the one that's gonna be the one that's gonna be the one that's gonna be the one that's gonna be the one that's gonna be the one that's gonna be the one that's rice. Yeah, that's it. That's primarily it.

I mean, I can have ribeye and tritib. So meat and rice. Yeah, rice is gonna be the one carb that I allow myself to have. Now, I'm gonna have, so you're gonna eat like I do, basically. Probably. Yeah, I'm gonna throw on some vegetables.

But look at the other one I've done. Okay, yeah. Yeah, I said, but look a lot better when I'm done. And he's got you there. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. So it's gonna be red meat and rice, and then that's it, and that's gonna be your base.

Yeah, yeah. What if it's the rice, dude? What if it's the grain? Well, so here's, and did not, that's a great, and that's a good question. I'll probably end up having maybe, maybe, depends on how bored I get of eating that way. Some berries like we talked about.

I only need some rapini, right? Is that what you do? You do it like rapini. You have to shake your head. I don't think that it's rice that's affecting me. I don't think that's triggering my autoimmune. I know, sad you would be if it was. A little bit.

I could switch over to Yams or sweet potato, just fine. I got no problem with that. Really? Yeah, yeah. You would be okay never eating rice again. I mean, I guess if it cleared up my psoriasis completely. that. Really? Yeah, yeah. You would be okay never eating rice again. I mean, I guess, if it cleared up my psoriasis completely. It'd be okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So that's the mission here, right? It's like, I'm not trying to follow somebody's protocol. I'm doing a elimination type of diet. I'm choosing to use a carnivore-esque type of protocol. And really, it is, I'm going to eliminate a lot of things that I eat a lot. I eat a lot of protocol. And really it is, I'm gonna eliminate a lot of things that I eat a lot. You know, I eat a lot of vegetables. I eat a lot of avocado.

I eat a lot of bell peppers and tomatoes and things like that. So I'm trying to eliminate a lot of those things that potentially could be it. Obviously no sugars and refined carbohydrates, things like that are all- No candy, huh? Of course, that's not hard for me. This can be fine.

Yeah. You know what, Justin, that's what we're gonna do. We're gonna load as food. Let's test this. Let's test this. Well, it's only one for 30 days. I can do anything for 30 days. We'll sprinkle sugar in his water.

Yes, see you again. See you later. I've been drinking a lot of water today. I mean, I started it yesterday. I had, you know, Shishimi and rice and then for lunch and then I went to- Oh, so fish too. Yeah any any meat any animal meat Yeah, any animal meat

But I imagine that I'm gonna have to do a lot of ground beef and red meat because I'm not getting very much anywhere I'm not getting enough nutrients everywhere else So you know, I think the the bulk of it's kind of your skin does look nicer today stop. That's because it's a caldera I do that's what that is. Oh really? Yeah, you see someone make a little bit of a machine. Yeah, it gives me a little bit of a No, I mean if you was like looks like he dumps on his face Andrew and that is like two drops Andrew focus on the face right now in the head Look at that. I mean it's like a little powder look at it

It's being being it makes the sound almost too shiny in my face. Yes easy. It's very clean very nice Very did you dye your beard you fucker? No Really I did not right Vic looking at the looks in here today Barbar over there. Yeah, no she didn't know she asked me though tell the truth she asked me is he is he dying anything? No, no see and she asked me she goes do you do you want to color that and I said what do you think it looks? She asked me that no I say so I is younger than I said How do you think it looks and she says well you me that. No, I say, when he is younger than us. I said, how do you think it looks? And she says, well, you're by far the most handsome out of the three guys.

So I wouldn't change anything about you. She told me the same thing. Are you lying to everybody? She didn't even offer to die in my beard. Yeah. She's like, no, she's my work. She's like, there's a lot of work with Sal. She's like, it's still for a really works for you.

Yeah. I don't know how to take that. You have to raise your prices. It's a lot of die. If I do his beard. Yeah. Exactly. Anyway, hey, how fun is that with, would you call him funny Mike? Yeah, I call him funny Mike. I have to raise your prices, it's a lot of dye. I do his beer. That's exactly.

Anyway, hey, how fun is that with, what do you call him, funny Mike? Yeah, I call him funny Mike. That's the next thing. So people don't notice, we got a guy coming in and he's an improv instructor. And just an experience this already. Yeah, he did, right?

I've wanted this for you guys. Justin took improv class as a while ago and all of us noticed, he just, how much better he was on the podcast. He went from really bad, like not so bad. He's now terrible. I appreciate that. No, but this.

I have to try you guys, okay? So the goal is this guy comes in, he has to do these improv exercises to weird. Yeah. But the goal is to get our flow to even more connection. Right. Like, I want to think, you know, what you're thinking thinking. See, you know what you're going to say exactly.

Did you see that? Yeah, I'm partly working. It's working. It's a lot of fun, though, right? Yeah, yeah. That's a good time. I think it's interesting. I think it would be really hard to do that in front of a crowd, though.

Isn't that what you do at some point? Yeah, at some point, it kind of builds up to that. So the hard part for me was when they would do monologues and things and they'd kind of put you on the spot and you have to like go off on something for at least a minute, a full minute and then to five minutes. And I know you're just like, oh, I love this

because I can just keep talking forever. For me, that was a bit of a struggle, but. That's true. But like today's exercise, you're gonna be talking a lot. Yeah. I'm like, oh my God. Raise my hand. I don't know what to say. I'll do that one. Yeah, but lot. Yeah. I'm like, oh my god! Raise my hand. I don't know what I'm gonna say.

I'll do that one. Yeah. But I enjoy it. I think it's good. It's definitely challenging. But I hope it makes this better. The people watching will know. Let's see.

Yeah. Can the audience see this big ass banner we have in here, Doug? I don't know. Not really. This isn't part of my design. I'm bringing this down. Yeah, it's basically this. If this thing wasn't already about Sal enough,

now we got a big ass banner to remind everybody too. Come on. There's your band over there. Sal is the champ. Hey, why aren't you playing that? Sal is the champ. Hey, does his head fit in the camera still? Can everybody calm down?

Sal is the champ in the world. I'm showing the banner right now. And so you guys can see what it looks like. It's just the book stuff. And you know what, the goal is to have that behind me. It's not that important when I'm doing video intro. I'm surprised you didn't use a accordion when you were doing my music.

Because I would have been perfect. Oh, damn. I missed opportunity. You missed out on that. So, no, that's all right. It's not bad. It is a little loud. I do feel good.

Now you start your branding. You start your official tour this week Is that right? Yeah, Thursday I go to LA. I'm gonna do Max look of yours podcasts good friend of mine love max Everybody knows max Jen Cohen. Can I do her podcast and I'm trying to see if I can get Aaron Alexander to at the same time before I come back So cool. I get to talk about my favorite subject. Yeah, yeah resistance So cool. I get to talk about my favorite subject. Yeah, yeah, resistance resistance. Resisting. Did you guys feel the little mini earthquake we had over the weekend?

Oh, yeah, it was like a 3.9 or 3.0 something. Yeah, what was that? Over the weekend. You didn't feel that? No, what day? Yeah, was it Saturday night or Saturday? We were together Saturday night. Yeah, it was like when I got home, I think it was Saturday night.

Oh, really? Yeah. Do you know what it was? I think it was Saturday night. So here's the weird thing. I didn't feel it, but Jessica did. She was up stairs. I was downstairs and then she's like, oh my gosh, she called me. Oh, I felt like I didn't feel anything. I mean, it was significant. It definitely kind of shook the house and I heard it and everything. So, I didn't hear enough. So speaking of earthquakes, did you guys hear about this gender reveal part? I got to find out where it was that caused an earthquake. Okay, so I saw the headline and the title for that,

but how does that happen? No, it's like clickbait to me. No, no, it's real. It's absolutely real. I'm pulling it up right now. It was on a science. How big of an explosion do you need to create to have an earthquake follow that?

Watch. So revealing, okay, so let me tell you what happened, right? I'm gonna read so residents in a number of towns in New Hampshire reported a mysterious earthquake at around 7 p.m. on April 20th, shaking homes and cracking foundations. So what they did, let's gonna tell us what they did here, everybody's like, we heard this huge blast. I guess they used explosives to show like the gender of the babies.

Seriously, can we stop with these things? When did this start? Because do you know that other gender reveal party that like the force fire? The force fire, the entire, like this is up in like Northern California, I think. So listen to this, right? So they used Tannerite. You guys know what Tannerite is? No, it is that.

It goes boom boom. Yeah. And they used it in a quarry guys know what Tannerite is? No, it goes boom, boom. And they used it in a quarry because they thought it would be safe. And a bunch of calls came in afterwards. They're like, what the hell's going on here? There's an earthquake. I mean, how many explosives are you? So they went down and do a quarry to do a gender reveal party? Yeah, and imagine the explosion that they had to do

for people to feel in their homes and crack foundations. That's what I'm saying. This is just like, you think you're way too important, dude. Yeah. Like, our kid is gonna be a boy or girl. Let's blow some shit up and show everybody. No, nobody cares. You know that these parties didn't...

Stop it. These didn't exist when my kids were younger, just like 15 years ago. They didn't have gender reveal party. We were busy doing shit. We were a bit blowing up. I was avoiding a lot of like kid parties. I know, could you believe that though? Did you watch the UFC fight this weekend? No, dude, but I did see the clip of

maybe one of the best cards in and I was so mad I left. By the way, I went to go see Adam, you know, it's house we went to dinner and you guys had a moment with us. It was nice. You were actually refreshing. Let's talk. But yeah, it was great. I mean, I was there for the first one with, you know, where what's his name got, his, his shin just, that's the one I saw. We've broken half. So that's this, either the second or third time

I've seen that, you have seen where the guy goes to throw a kick, it's checked. It was Anderson Silva that did happen to a reason. Oh, and it flops. And it happened with against Wideman. Wideman, thank you. Yeah, yeah. So this time, Wideman goes and he's just doing like,

he's just doing a leg kick and he's swinging his leg around, hits, connects, and then you just see his leg immediately break and flop kind of over the back. And then he doesn't even realize it. He goes to slow mode, yeah, it goes to stand on it. He's got no support, boom, falls. It was heartbreaking to watch. So the way that it was explained to me,

so I'm not a Moitai expert, I'm not a striking expert, a little bit of boxing, but it's nothing. And I, somebody explained to me, no, there's no belts in boxing. That was in that presentation. That's why I avoided it. I was like, I'm all about the belts.

Yeah, so anyway, the way it was explained to me is, because the way that the tibia is, if you hit it at the, because it's kind of a long bone, so if you take out a tibia, it's not perfectly round, right? It's kind of like shaped kind of like a, like it's long, right? If you hit it on that end, it's very strong. If you hit it kind of on the side, it's much easier break.

So someone told me that is the result of a misplaced kick because there's so much strength in the tibia at a particular angle and then it's also... Is that it or is it also like unreported previous injury, like you know, from training? That was my speculation. Yeah, but see, I'm thinking, you would have to have the airline fracture

or something. Exactly, but a fracture there, you would feel. And you probably wouldn't be able to fight. I don't know. Yeah, I was just so, so freakish how that all went to. And it was a very first exchange. You know, he just, and then boom, oh man, that's at the stage and then I guess the rest of the fights, I didn't even get to see him. They were later. They were all epic, too. Yeah, Rose fought for the belt. So she was the first. That was like one of the most inspiring fights I've seen in a while. And she was a major underdog going into it. I bet my brother that I thought she lost

their previous fight. She lost the belt. She had the belt before. And then the girl that's got it right now, I forget her name, but she's bad at. She kicked her and knocked her out. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Straight to her chin, put her to sleep. And then Usman, man, that guy just, I Joe, did you see the post that Joe Rogan wrote about her? Oh, yeah, Joe wrote him, excuse me, wrote about Usman just saying he's pound for pound. He thinks is the best fighter to ever fight. Really? Well, he's, he's too away from beating Anderson Silva's record. Right.

What's Silva's worth 16? Yeah, 16 without a loss. And he's just, he just keeps getting better. And this fight was really... He was really... He was really good. He's a piece of good. Yeah, because they fought last time. That's right. And he's a piece of good yeah because they fought last time that's right he took him

he took him five rounds on a six day notice last time so I was really excited about that fight I was like dude this dude hung with Usman last time with a six day notice 20 pounds over way and he cleaned his clock this time oh bro did you see all like the debris just yeah hit so so speaking of these fights right did you guys see the the the post in the shit that Jake Paul is saying to Dana white? Okay, so this is the thing now. They're getting to this kind of like trolling again They're going to this back and forth kind of like word war right Jake Paul is much better at the like how to how to How to use media to fuck with the other guy do you think it's Amber do you think he has somebody's helping him? I don't know. But whoever it is, he does a good job

because he put Dana in a corner because here's what he did. Instead of, because Dana got mad, he's like, look, if you approach my fighters under contract again, we're going to, you know, do a lawsuit. Yeah, we're going to take legal action. So Jake did the very smart thing.

He said, here's the deal. Here's how much I made for my fight. Here's how much we paid Ben Asgren, which is more than you pay any of your other fighters, you need to pay your fighters more, your greedier, whatever. How does Dana White rebound from that? That makes him look really bad.

He's gonna cause a little bit of a stir amongst the fighters and you know, some little bit of animosity. I don't think so. I think they know that. No, but I think what it does, that's Brennan Shobb's been talking about that for ever. But what it does is it could stir up so much like, oh, we want to see Jake Paul get his ass kicked or we want to see whatever that he may actually get an opportunity to fight

someone who's big. If there's a lot of money involved, smart too, that he was pointing at, you know, John Jones and like trying to get him to fight, you know, and that fight that everybody wants to see. Now, what you guys are on that? What you guys just take on something like that, right? Somebody call on out like you was like, what do you think the solution is, or do you think that Dana should pay the fighters more,

or do you think that, I mean, if it wasn't for the UFC, a lot of these fighters would never even be known. Like, where do you stand on that argument? So here's the reality. I know business. I don't wanna hear the reality. I wanna hear Europe. I'll give you my opinion based off reality. Okay. So I don't know. Wow. Anyway,'t want to hear the reality. I want to hear you. I'll give you my opinions based off reality. Okay

Wow, that's usually that the case. Yeah, that's that's also not true Yeah, no look like you guys know enough about business to know this It's easy to look on the outside to be like oh they deserve to be paid more The reality is that Dana White took the UFC which was a fledgling company They were barely making money, if not, if any at all, and turned it into a profitable business. So to look on the outside and say, these people deserve to make more money,

you have no idea what that looks like, how he's running it. And he had a mountain they've climbed to get through it. And he's done a good job of building this incredible brand. So can he pay them more? I don't know, and what does that look like? Now, in my opinion, I think he's doing a good job. Obviously, you have to see discretion.

But will this pressure change things? I don't know. I mean, I think naturally they're gonna continue to scale up like they have, but I agree with you. So that's how I was curious which way you would go with that. Because it reminds me when I worked at 24 and I'd have trainers, right, that when I was managing there, when I had trainers that were working underneath me and

Then you know they put in a couple years in there they get pretty good at what they're doing and then they start looking at the math like Man, I'm only making you know 50% of what this person is paying for and they ride away I just like this is you know bullshit. This is bullshit. I should be getting paid so much more if I go do this privately I get to collect all that money But what you just don't think about when you're in working for that big massive company is the amount of leads and revenue they potentially generate for you that you would have to draw. Drums of dollars of marketing, they've already put it

into it, all the materials. That's right, you and the clientele. It's no different than a teenage kid telling his parents or her parent or whatever. I'm gonna move out, how much is rent? I could afford that. I have a job. Here's not that big of a deal.

Every parent, you know, that here's just like, all right, go and see who we'll go do all that. Cause it's way more challenging, you think. Right. You think it's so easy. It's the same thing when people look at companies and say the CEO is getting paid so much and the employees or whatever.

Why is this happening or whatever? That's not how it works. And Jake Paul could make that argument all day long that, you know, oh, like this. No, he's playing politics, which is smart. Yeah, it's smart. And like his angle is smart, but it's still, you're talking about one fight, you know,

how many people does Dana employ? How many fighters that wouldn't get a big payday like that? Because it's not a big set of fight that are making legitimate money that have the opportunity to work their way up the rankings and actually get paid well. And how long is Jake Paul going to last doing this? Right.

There's only at some point he's going to have to fight a real fighter because people are going to want to see better and better fighters. Right. And once he gets his ass kicked to show his over, there's not going to be a show anymore. But now that he's winning, they're kind of excited and people hate him. But he loses a couple times. It's done. He's kind of wasn't like Tyson Fury or whatever, like I was hearing talks of that. That's the rumor.

Because that's a real fighter. You know, that's somebody that, you know, boxing wise, like it would really like put a star. Isn't there's two theories, right? Are there brothers or there's a Tyson and then there's another one, right? Don't maybe look at this. Look at the, uh, Fury boxing brothers

or something like that. I think they're related, right? There's two guys that, uh, I know that there's Tyson Fury, which I think is the most famous and the big one. I don't follow boxing, so I know somebody is threatening right now. I'm trying to talk about boxing. But I know that who he's calling out isn't the big brother. Oh, it's not the main main dude, but it's another, it's his, I don't know if it's a brother, maybe Doug could hurry up. Now, I heard that he was going that there was talks with Floyd, may weather. That's his older brother.

Oh, it is. Logan and him have been talking about. Oh, okay. I thought he booked that. Didn't he booked that? Maybe. That would be interesting. But Floyd, you know Floyd, he's all about the,

yeah, what you got from me, other Doug? Nothing. Nothing. No connection. Fury boxing guys. No, he's got no connection. I have no, I have to look it up on my phone. Oh, you have no connection. No, it's not going to the church. Oh, I have to look it up on my phone. Oh, you have no connection.

No, it's not going to the search. Oh, the tech got the hatch. Not again, Doug. Not again, Doug. Not again, Doug. Speaking of celebrities that are really annoying, I know I'm not a basketball fan, but boy, does LeBron James irritate that crap out of me.

Wow, is that guy annoying? Super annoying. I'm just glad he's finally getting some pushback from all his bullshit, dude. I, it sucks because I'm such a, I'm such a fan of his, his game, dude. Like he's, he's, he's, he's one of the best players ever played, but the thing that I loved about, you know, Michael Jordan, is he left the politics alone, dude. He just stayed out of that. Kobe did a good job of doing the same. You know, okay, so here's the problem.

The second you have an opinion and you act virtuous, you open yourself up, politics alone, dude. He stayed out of that. Kobe did a good job of doing the same too. Okay, so here's the problem. The second you have an opinion and you act virtuous, you open yourself up to all your hypocrisies, and LeBron is chock full of hypocrisies. Love the call out some stuff. Really does he really care? No, because he's paid very heavily by a country that takes people because of the religion,

puts them in working camps and violates human rights all the time. We'll never say a word about that. Really doesn't give a shit. He wants people to think he gives a shit because he's behind his super expensive 20-foot walls and whatever. Full of crap, I hate that.

I hate that. You're over here talking about oppression, but yet you've got children making your shoes that you're fucking puzzling out there. Come on. That's what I mean. He opens himself up and he acts like he's so whatever, but he's not you're full of shit Yeah, no you're just a very well-to-the talent lucky man. You're a lucky man I think he went too far though on this one. I think this one even even my even my like super left friends are just like Oh, you know, yeah, we don't want to that was a that was a pretty

Oh, you know, yeah, we don't want to that was a that was a pretty Justified shooting by that officer. I mean, he was say he saved the life of somebody else. I'm sorry If I'm if someone's trying to stab me. I hope some a cop shoots them. I really do People die from knife wounds all the time and by the way, have you guys seen videos of help people getting stabbed even after they've been shot or Stabbing other people after they've been shot. It happens. So it's not something that you take lightly. Yeah, that was very, very justified. Yeah, no, I agree with it.

Which is what's going on, right? I mean, that officer is not in trouble or anything like that. I haven't followed it since the breaking. I made a comment about LeBron saying something right afterwards, this is so stupid for you to just open your mouth. And to open your mouth so early, like he'd like happen and then he'd ride away, he was already.

Now there was that funny meme that went around because he was saying apparently like, oh, the police officer couldn't, didn't have to use that much for, I don't know, something like that. And people are like, this is the same guy that falls down and someone touches him. Yeah, yeah.

And the game and it can play. It's a lot of, yeah. I don't want to. There's a lot of memes and funny. So I've seen like some skits that our officers are doing on TikTok now too. They're like, hey LeBron, somebody. That's smart. Yeah, yeah.

That's smart. Yeah. I was having this conversation with Jessica, the most powerful communication tool that exists right now is our memes or short humorous videos, but memes for sure. If you wanna get your point across and you want it to spread fast, if you make a funny meme or a meme

that's like tongue and cheek or whatever, that people like, within days, that, and it actually has a strong impact. It's the political cartoon of today and political cartoons have always had lots of power. So, yeah, yeah. And speaking along those lines, if you guys seen the, this is right,

this is, I'm sure you guys got tagged. If you guys seen the articles about this climate plan and how they're like, oh, it's gonna limit us to eating four pounds of meat. I have, so it's okay, is it true? It equated to like one burger per month. So it's okay, so this is, I love this, right? So no, not exactly.

So what he said, what happened was, is Biden came out and said, by the way, I love it when politicians do this, they make a promise for some time in the future. Free pizza for everyone. We're not going to be around because it's like the next guy's going to have to worry about it. He made this thing and he said, we are going to reduce, we're going to cut our emissions

in half by 2030. Of course, you'll be at an office by then and whatever. The next guy's got to figure it out and not a big deal. But anyway, this is what we're going to do. So I forgot who it was. This university came out and said, okay, here's what would have to figure it out and not a big deal. But anyway, this is what we're gonna do. So I forgot who was this university came out and said, okay, here's what would have to happen in order to accomplish this particular goal.

And one of the things that they wrote in there was, we're gonna have to limit our red meat consumption by like 90%. And so that's where they got that. But it wasn't part of the plan for us to not eat. Well, what about all the factories around the world that just emit like an insane amount of carbon? Dude, so I heard that was bullshit. I heard that was like a Fox News stat that went out.

No, it was, they were just trying to make, no, they took this university's hypothetical and then pinned it on. But Biden didn't say specifically that. All he said is, he didn't say a plan actually. He just said, we're going to cut emissions in half by 2030. Yeah. See, I hate reporting on even shit like that because then it's not even real news. It's not real. He didn't say that. You know, we talked about this a long time ago. It's like, you got to be so careful now because the things that go viral are these like absurd extremes that do not represent the majority.

A majority of people don't agree with that. you know, and somebody is they're taking a a study or a single thing said and then they're taking it and they're running with something crazy That'll never work here Well, you can't think with my burgers. No, here's a thing though And I've gotten a discussions in our forum about this This is how you know when someone's really serious about you know improving our climate You know reducing pollution. Do you support nuclear power? If they say no, you know they're full of shit.

Because there is no technology at all today that even comes close to nuclear power's ability to give us power with minimal or almost no waste. And I know this because the technology today is with nuclear powers incredible. That literally could solve everything right now. Well. But they don't want to solve everything. One side has their lobby group and the other side has their lobby group and they like to keep it that way. I mean, you guys saw that whole, you know,

where they uncovered CNN and how they basically that one reporter was kind of unveiling that a lot of it was propaganda, that they were like, really like, they had massive efforts in that direction to get Trump out of office. And so the other part, the second part of that was now we're gonna turn towards climate control. And that was like the big initiative from the news media.

Yeah, you need to have a scary problem. Right, you gotta have it. You get people to do what you want. Because I'm telling you right now, we could really solve it. If you do your research and look at these current generation nuclear reactors, this is the ones that in the past that have caused problems, were old tech.

By the way, if you add the nuclear disasters and you compare them to the oil disasters and the pollution, that's not, they're even come close anyway. But nonetheless, the current technology with nuclear, extremely safe, extremely efficient and produces little to no waste. But they don't bring that up because that's an actual solution. What they want are, you know, more problems. They have more problems. Fear, fear, fear.

Yeah, let's get scared. Anyway, let's talk about our workouts. How you guys doing with your training? We haven't talked about, we talked about last episode, but we haven't seen each other since. Yeah, no, I posted, I posted, I don't do that enough. I know every time I do that, I get all kinds of traction on my social media. I think I added a bunch of people and I think the

views on it are beyond anything else that I post. Anytime I do, like me exercising. So, funny, exercising are my food. It's like everybody wants to do it. Everybody wants to see. But we were, we had that debate recently about the parallel squat. And so I did a video of this. Oh, I saw that. Yes, very nice looking squatting barefoot. It's been a long time to get there, right? So it took me a long time to get that kind of depth. It took me even longer to get to a place

where I could do that with good control barefoot without my ankle. Now, while you're doing it, are you still having to really concentrate on everything or does it feel like it happens? No, no, no, I have to really concentrate. So that was only 185 pounds, right? Which is relatively light for me for squatting.

Where do you find that it breaks down? In that same position, my feet. But how much weight? Oh, I mean, how much? Yeah. If I'm moving to 25, 10 plus reps. Okay. Or if I'm hitting 3, 15 and above.

Then the feet starts to break down. Yeah, and that's the reason why I'll work with like a lighter weight like that because that was the intention. The intention was, you know, I'm squatting barefoot, I'm not trying to load, I'm trying to depth, control, and feel my feet gripping the ground and see if there's any breakdown. And, you know, I could do that slow and control with 185. It's hard to do that with 225 and above that deep, that slow and control.

Well, people don't know this, but you know, you had, you didn't have, you had terrible mobility years ago when you started, when we, well, you know, we're working out together. So this is a dramatic change. Yeah, it's been a long time that I've, I've focused on it and I tell you what,

the thing that's most impressive or that I think matters the most is the pain relief. Yeah, it's great. Now that I squat that deep, I've been able to develop my legs with less effort and I love that. But I actually completely eliminated my hip and low back pain that I would suffer from for so long. And I just, I get it now. I understand what's going on. What happened is I just, I limited my body

from going that deep. It's a place that my ankles and my hips should be able to do. It's a thing because you never did that you lost it. Yeah. And that's exactly what the post was all about is just, you know just for those people that gravitate towards the other guy that was debating us about the whole parallel thing is, okay, just be careful, because I was that same kid who attached himself to people that were promoting messages like that, that this is here is the best place to build your quads, because as a 20-year-old, that's all I cared about. And then I found myself in my 30s,

not able to squat down all the way to the ground and sit there comfortably. And, you know, if someone would have told me, like, do you care if you lose out, I would have said, yeah, I care. Do you think if you went back in time and talked to 20 year old Adam, do you think you'd be able to convince him?

I do. I think so, because, because I have more muscle on my legs. Oh, I see what you're saying. You would have to say it that way. Yeah, you'd have to. Yeah. No, hey, by the way, doing it this way,

you're not going to lose muscle in the game more. Yeah, like the pitch to me would have been this, right? So if I'm going back and I'm pitching 20 year old me and I know, and I know. Because it's important, because I know those people listening right now, I don't care. Right, right.

I don't want to lose muscle by focusing on the building. The way I would start it would be like, hey bro, check this out. I'm gonna show you a way for you to do less on your legs and have as much muscle if not more muscle. That's how I'd start it. And then on top of that, I'm gonna make sure that you don't have any chronic low back pain

that's going to riddle you in the next five, 10 years. So to me, that would be the selling point is, because if you just went from the pain angle when you're 22 and you feel pain-free, you're indestructible. Yeah, I gotta listen. I'm not listening to that. No, that's pain.

But if you sold me on that, I would be able to build as much muscle if not more muscle by learning to go deeper, full range of motion and here's the steps in order to get there that you need to work on so that you can do that, that's what would have probably. Well, I've adjusted my workouts a bit, like because I was starting to feel a bit of hip pain

come back on Zumba. Yeah, I just stopped my shaking. No, I'm gonna hold the hooping. Yeah, because, you know, I was going crazy with that. And so I just, completely, I'm doing, you know, lateral style training, especially on leg day for that reason, but I've been actually gaining quite a bit of strength

on my overhead press again, which is something I really wanted to get back at and see what I could press with that. So, that's been kind of fun, dude, because I've been doing a lot of rotational work, a lot of mobility with my shoulders and kind of reinforcing bullet proofing them, and now I can really see it start to elevate. What are you gauging as you're like, what are you measuring for the overhead press? Is it a push press or strict, standard, strict press? Strict, standard, strict press. You know where you're at right you're like, what are you measuring for the overhead press? Is it a push press or a strict press?

Strict press. Strict, standing press. You know where you're at right now? Like, what do you wear out before? How have you been? Oh yeah. Yeah, so I'm about 205. Yeah, so which is good.

Which is good for me. But I got up to like 225 before strict and then anything over that, I'm definitely doing a push. So your goal is to get past your old 225. That's my goal. So I gotta give you credit because I've been doing a lot of the sled and I've made it now a consistent part of my routine.

Huge carryovers to my squats and my dead lifts. Huge carryovers. Deadlift even, huh? Well, anytime my squat goes up, this is true for most people, right? Anytime your squat goes up, your deadlift will pop it go up. Not the same the other way around, right? Deadlift goes up doesn't always mean my squat's going to,

but if my squat goes up, I know my deadlift goes up. And I don't have your guys' mobility. I can break parallel so I'll get the lights if I were to compete or whatever, but I don't go lower than that. I just don't have the mobility for it. But my squat has gone up over. You've been working on your squat for some time now, dude. And you just said, well, you're like four, 15.

I was doing singles with four, 15 working out. It wasn't even my max. I actually felt like it could have gone up as maybe as high as four, 25. And it was because of the sled. Oh, wow. Because what I'm doing is I'm on Saturdays, I load the sled up as much as I can. So it's a heavy drive. And then I'll drive it for, drive it for 30 steps in either direction.

And it's not, you don't get sore, there's no negatives, right? So there's no eccentric load on it. I'm not getting sore or anything. I definitely get a little bit of a pump, but then when I go work out with my legs, I'm like, where's this strength coming from? And then what I'm doing also is I told you guys

I'm playing around with failures for the next three weeks, I cut my volume down, and so rather next three weeks I cut my volume down and So rather I'm literally cut my volume down one third down a whole third and then I'm going to failure on a few sets Right, so today was my first going to failure on deadlifts. Oh What did you do? I put three 15 on the bar and I'm like I'm gonna keep going until If my hands give up or until I know my form is 20 reps. Well, fatigue first. 20 reps.

I was actually able to hold on. Started to happen as I started to feel like I was gonna rant, like my back was going to go frail. Yeah, so I stopped at 20, but dude, I had to sit down and the barber was here, right? And so I'm like trying to hurry up so I can get, no, dude, I had to rest for like 20 minutes. I'm like, sorry, I'm not gonna make,

I'm not gonna make this 8 a.m. Cause I'm gassed. Talking about your workout, your physique that we were talking about the other day, dude, please tell me you saw Carlos, his post on Mindful Meers. Bro, did you mean what? He just roasting me. Tell me you did that.

Oh, the audio sauna one, the guy else. Oh my god, you one the guy. Oh my I was actually mean So good though. Yeah, you know the thankfully you could take the balls you have to have on this kid like so I Tell the audience he was using tone the line there, you know, he's like I wonder if I can get away with that I'm okay, you know, here's a deal right so we were I wonder if I can get away with that. I'm okay. You know, here's the deal, right?

So we're, with our podcast, we've had the podcast for a while, and more recently we focused on putting the podcast on YouTube and making it kind of a visual show as well. That has grown totally different audience, right? So I would say the crossover, what would you guess the crossover audience is? 10, 15%. Maybe, right?

So it's like a brand new audience on YouTube. YouTube is majority male and they're younger. And so they fucking roast you sometimes. Yeah, and so the comments are just like, wow, dude. Yeah. They're literally gonna talk shit about your physique. Like, we're doing a podcast. We'll say something like your fat or whatever.

Like, oh my God, somebody said, I'm sitting already, too. Yeah, someone said my chest didn't look good. Look at the guy now or something. Yeah, not true Okay, you ever meet me come touch me No, so no, so that's started so I talked about on the podcast and of course YouTube is like again, it's throw land Right so you do that. Oh next thing know, people now are fucking throwing more, now you brought up the other people.

I believe Adam, yeah, he opened up the page. Does it mean more shit than I know? Well, you know, I was more impressed with just the balls on Carlos, right? This kid, so this kid, super hustler. Mind pump memes, right? Yeah, mind pump memes. It's not even our page.

It's not, that's why I wanna make this clear, right? So he's technically not affiliated with mind pump. That he just has been hustling and got our page. It's not. So that's why I want to make this clear, right? So he's technically not affiliated with mind pump that he just has been hustling and got our attention. And a lot of people have done this by the way. So, you know, before you go run out and try and try and do a good luck and really work. Yeah. It doesn't really work. But his did. His did. And I thought he got the flavor somehow. He did. He did a really good job of catching the voice of the brand. He was not afraid to attack us, which I think we're all okay with we do it. But he does it the right way, right?

Yeah, he does it in a very playful, fun way. And when we first got on the phone, I called him up and I wanted to see if he was open to working with us and actually providing some... In fact, his memes pop up on YouTube right now. So if you're watching, if you're seeing memes pop up, that's he's making.

And this is something that he's just doing on his own. Like he's got, he you're seeing memes pop up, that's he's making. This is something that he's just doing on his own. He's going to school for his degree right now. He's working full time. He does day trading. And then he also is, I mean, the kid is. And he also roasts out. That's great.

So, You guys are next. Well, we get, I act right now. I would love to see a meme. That just fucks up, bring it. Just the rattle. No, I mean, he's laid into everybody really well.

And we first got on the phone. He was like, yeah, I wasn't sure how you guys would take all that. I said, no, we'd love it. Absolutely. As long as it's relevant to the show. But also, here's a deal. And this is why I would hate to do any kind of new media as a younger guy.

It would be rough. Because you're so insecure. Yeah, I don't care, dude. I'm 42, I've been doing this forever. I've heard it all. Yeah, it's almost impossible, really, to fuck with me. Well, why do you think it drives all these young kids to do stupid shit is because of that.

I mean, the pressure, you know, that's the part of me that I feel sorry for some of them. You get, if you build this fame on social media, which is so different than like fame in real life because you've impacted people, right? There's a difference when you've done something in real life that you have impacted. It's drawn people to you.

Yeah, it's drawn people to you. It's just so, look at me. Right, you built these relationships and you fostered that. And versus I did something on social media that's got all this attention. And then I've created kind of this monster because a lot of times What or at least what in in my experience, right? So I know over generalization here. I know there's exceptions of the rule A lot of these people that get all this fame on social media a lot of times It's really not even them like it's not who they really are

It's it's a it's an act and's not who they really are. It's a act. Most times. It's an act. And what I've found, these kids that are really good at it, they just, they can turn the camera on and they just, they're, this personality character. Yeah, they can become a character. Their personality comes out. They're incredible. And you can always tell because you meet them in person and they're just, they're nothing

like this character. And that might work to build a business and make some money initially. But it'll eventually wear on you totally Yeah, especially when you meet people or you're afraid to be a particular way because of your fakeness and how you like for example This is a silly example. This actually happened where there was like a vegan influencer So they had pages about how great veganism is and it's so awesome And I hate that people heard animals and they built kind of this small following. And then they were on vacation in like Thailand or something.

And they were eating, I don't know what it was, chicken or fish. And they're just so happened to be somebody there that followed them, took a picture and posted it. Ruined, you're now ruined. Why? Because the person's fake. The person really wasn't what they said that they were. But I couldn't imagine getting, you know, roasted as a 20 year old.

Imagine getting your body picked apart as a 20-something year old kid. You do, no. If your fat or your arms don't look good, you're like, oh my God, what am I gonna do? I'm gonna go like work out more and like, I'm gonna fuck you. Why do you think it drives them to have that too?

That image of like, you there's a lot of channels. Most of your fitness channels in fact that are popular, kids are rocking no shirt on it, so with that, I'm like, could you imagine having to keep that physique up? Yeah, you keep that physique up, you're around. Perfect lighting, otherwise you're fucked.

And you're slightly off, you bet your ass they let you know, you know, say like, fuck that. By the way, that's a very, some burgers this week, isn't it? That's a very cheap and not long term effect of way of selling your ideas and fitness, is to say, look at me. that's a very cheap and not long-term effective way of selling your ideas and fitness is to say,

look at me. You know what that works for, long-term? Like the best of the best. Like I am the strongest man I've ever lived. I've lived whatever. But yeah, okay, you look good. It might get you some attention, but you're not gonna have a lot of value.

It's not gonna last very long. You're very, very short term. No thanks. I'd rather be known for my ideas than what I look like. Did Jackie send over, did I see only fans as having trainers, coaches on there? Who sent that? I did see something about it.

Let me see. Yeah, somebody sent that. Was it on that thread? I don't know. Do you know Justin? Where did you see it? Yeah, I think it was the group one with Jackie. I'm pretty sure Jackie sent that over. No, I can't see it. No, I was on, yeah, I think it was the group one with Jackie. I'm pretty sure Jackie sent that over.

No, I can't see it. No, no, I can't find it. But yeah, maybe it was fake. I don't know if it was real though, it's pretty hilarious because talk about an easy transition of, you know, yeah, so let's work out and then also after hours, you know, like, hey. They, that company, I'm going to look it up right now and see if there's anything. Why are you looking up, speaking of crazy? I cannot believe. I'm gonna look it up right now. See if I can you're looking up speaking of crazy I cannot believe I'm like so disappointed in all of us right here

I can't believe we've been podcasting this long and the we work story has never came up I just I did not know anything about and by the way that also reminds me this bouncing around here on you guys Yeah, you forgot to take your riddle in this one. We taught yeah We talked a long time ago about streaming. Remember it? Yeah. And you were like, oh, I think it'll be this, you know, a lot of different ones, all a cart type of deal.

And I'm like, yeah, I think like there's going to be the dominant ones going to come out. And you might be right in this situation, right? But what I look at it might be, what happened? I'm not admitting yet. Not at all. Yeah, I'm not fully committed to you being right. Yeah.

Because what the way it's starting to shape up, like the what you're saying, is that if streaming media was food, Netflix is candy, and HBO Max and Disney is like a steak. Sure. That's how I feel like, man, I've been on HBO Max lately and the content that they're producing. Way better.

Fire. Way better. Fire, and they don't put out as much nor near what Netflix does But higher quality the quality of the shows are I mean, I'm under this I'm on the series right now called generation hustle on HBO Max and It's a one-hour like docu series on you know, just like it sounds this this generation and they're all their hustle and some of It's like con artist and some crazy stories. Last night I was watching the WeWork story, knew nothing about this guy.

It's Guy Adam, who was the CEO, founder of WeWork, that grew this thing and maybe Doug can check me on with a dollar amount because I know Doug wash's too. Like basically an office environment that you rent space in, right? That's what I wanted. Yeah, everybody knows what it is, right? Yeah, I was just making sure everybody does.

Yeah, so again, explain that again. Yeah, so WeWork is one of many companies, right? They're I was just making sure everybody does. So again, explain that again. So we work is one of many companies, right? They're not the only company that does this. They were one of the early ones that came out with this idea that a lot of people don't wanna pay for a whole office space, but they'll rent for, and we do this, we do this a lot. We have our marketing team who's out in Vegas. They fly in, we rent a space at a,

we work type of place for three hours, you have conference room, you have a projector, yeah, I have friends that are stock brokers that have that work for themselves. And that's what they do. They meet their clients in these offices that they're right. Right. Right. And he, he built this idea around like this, this company being like a tech company. And it reminds me of this big debate and argument that we just recently got into with my buddy about Tonal and how it's overvalued because they value it like a tech company.

And it's just really, it's a fitness company first. And that's where it's fault is, that's this. This is a real estate leasing company. That's all it is. Where's the tech angle? Yeah, I wonder if it was. That's where they tried to put the spin on it that is a tech company and they're revolutionizing

how people are going to work in the future. The guy who ran this thing, okay, was super charismatic. I mean, he just had this ability to capture a room and he had like no real experience leading into this and he, dude, so that actually in there, much more profit. A really cool quote that I heard somebody in the show say that I liked it.

As he said, there's a very thin line between a cult and culture. I like that because there's truth to that. Right, a cult is the root word of God. I know, I know. So I like, I like, look at, there's the, how fast did it get up to the crazy billion dollar evaluation, Doug, and where did it go from?

Yeah, it looks like in 2010 it was around zero, and then by 2018 or 19, it got up to like 50, sorry, 48 million or something like that. Oh, I was pretty sure that I should say. Oh, billion. Wow. Yeah. Wow. All on just like a place, Billion. Wow. Yeah. Wow.

All on just like a place that we're in office space. Yeah. And he had so many people that were investing him and dumping money in him. He ended up getting out. He sold out his shares, walked away with a billion dollars and is all under investigation right now. I didn't know any of this story.

Wow. I didn't even know this was a thing like happening right. And there's, we worked over here. We've been in him before. So there're super popular. The other one we go to isn't we worked out spaces? Yeah, it's another space is right. Well, we've been to one though. We've been to a we've gone to a couple of things I don't have I've been in there. I've met already. I mean, they're just they're all the same They they create this environment that you know, it's ping pong and coffee and nothing tech about you know speaking of You because you said the guy who did this

is like the super charismatic guy that didn't know much about the business, but was just very charismatic. Yes. And then I think about like, what was that event that would totally blew up with Jaw Rule and that other dude, the Fire Festival? Fire Festival. Yes.

And then there was that one woman who was selling that medical technology and got all this, whatever, and turned out to be totally fake. Right. You know what I'm talking about? Okay. This happens over and got all this, whatever, and turned out to be totally fake. Right. You know what I'm talking about? Okay. This happens over and over again because, and this is a great lesson for any kids

that are listening or watching this right now, the most, and not to say that you should do what they're doing, that's dishonest, but nonetheless, it does prove a point. The most important skill that you could ever develop, that will pay you dividends, regardless. I don't care what you do, people's skills. And if you can teach, and this is, it's a skill.

Now of course there's, just like there's people who are like, you can wield it to do bad. Yeah, well you could. Or you can wield it to do good. It's extremely powerful and it'll make you successful or more successful. I don't care what you do. You can be a teacher, you can be a plumber,

you can be a doctor. If you have people skills, and it is a skill you can develop. And of course there's people that are genetically more gifted in that department just like there's some people that are just genetically better basketball players nonetheless you could teach yourself to be a better basketball player focus on people's skills It'll it'll pay you back more than any of the skill that you could possibly learn Yeah, and it's a fact this one also it reminded me so much of tonal because where I see the potential loophole and again The argument that my buddy Brendan was trying to make with it was leaning on growth. And if you are a smooth leader like this guy was, he was so great at selling his vision

and getting more people and more people to buy in and buy in and give money, that he was just building and building and building. I mean, it was like one of the fastest growing companies in history ever at one point, just off at growth. So, and he cashed out and then... Yeah, but the finances weren't there. It wasn't very profitable. They were, I mean, the thing was losing money. But because of the exponential growth year over year,

because of the amount of money that they kept taking in, and he kept selling more people and more people to get behind it, that everyone was talking about growth. But nobody was talking about like, what the bottom line looked like, like where is this really going and how are we really going to monetize this more ways in just leasing a space? And is this overinflated and eventually of course the balloon pops? But I mean that's what I think of when I think of what I see with these companies that are fitness companies that are getting evaluated as tech companies.

Even if there is, because they're obviously there is a tech component to tonal in comparison to we work. So I'll accept that, right? There is a tech component. And if we could, in a fantasy world, believe that everybody, when they start their workout, they continue forever and they never quit and they input this data every single day. So you can learn all about their behaviors, their weight, their eating habits, their exercise habits. That's valuable information that I could see

that you could get a big valuation offer. But what we know, is that the average person falls off within six weeks. Yeah, that's the bottleneck. The bottleneck is how consistent and how often are people going to work out. And that is, we know what those numbers look like regardless of the modality, and that's the problem.

You know, here's another company that, and I'm gonna guarantee you, I'm gonna piss people off or get people excited or whatever, but another company that reminds me of, a company that gets evaluated like a tech company and it continues to do this, but the numbers don't make sense, is Tesla. The numbers do not make sense.

Now, I know why it's valued so high. It is like a tech company, and then you have Elon Musk. Elon Musk is like this. I'm gonna defend that one. Yeah, I'm gonna take the posing on. Here's why I do see it being crazy. First of all, if you compare it to general motors, Ford, things like that, right?

They still own such a fraction of the space. So if you do believe that we're going in this green direction where these types of electric cars is going to be the future. I think we all agree there, right? So we agree and they would be the the front runner in that area. So at one point you have to believe that they are going to be one of the leading car sales. I don't. Oh, you don't. No. Even though you believe, okay, you believe that we're going. They don't own that they don't own, it's not like they are the only company that has technology to go electric.

Yeah, but they're leading that technology in that space. And so what would you make, what would make you think then that Toyota Honda? Those massive companies, which they're profits and they're the size dwarfs Tesla. Dwarfs Tesla. They're right. They don't move in that direction until the market tells them to move.

Now, Tesla can take all these risks and do all that because it's a smaller company. They operate a little differently. Again, Elon has got that celebrity. Like, do you know the CEOs of any other car company? No, you don't. Like, Elon is Steve Jobs, right? What's a bet on him?

And also, too, it's a data thing. It's just like everything else. So they're collecting, because they have to press so hard at having autonomous driving cars, like they're collecting because they have to press so hard at, you know, having autonomous driving cars like they're the only companies out there that I've been moving that direction. That's not true. You have Google. I mean, there's a few, but are doing that. No, Toyota silently though. No, yeah. There's the only one out there. So Toyota's moving this way. There are a lot of them are moving that way, but I would say Tesla is

leading that technology and that. And this is where that technology, okay, here's a difference too, okay? So we all use our cars, okay? It's not like fitness. Yeah, I know that. Right, it's true. And I've been saying this for a while that we haven't quite got here,

but there's a tremendous value in being able to track people's behavior with where they drive. Like imagine you're in a Tesla and they have been tracking you for the last year of where you stop to get gas, where you stop to go get groceries, all the different foods that you like. Oh, you had a lot of possibilities are here.

Yeah, and you imagine driving in your Tesla and you're in traffic and you're one block away from Chick-fil-A, my favorite breakfast sandwich. And it goes, one free Chick-fil-A sandwich right now if you drive through them by horse. You know what I'm saying? And all you have to do is hit and it would hit. I get that-fil-A sandwich right now if you drive through and buy. Of course. You know what I'm saying? And you're all, you're a redeeming,

and all I have to do is hit and it redeems. I get that. I swing in, I get it, like, I mean. I get that. They're gonna be the ones that you need to lead that. No, they're not, because they don't own that tech. That's, a lot of companies have that tech, and have more of that.

Google already has tons of information on you. Facebook already does. All it takes is four to go with Facebook. Haven't they been trained? Press your partner with a big tech company, like for a while now, and they've been turned like for a while now and they've been turned down? Why do you think they've been turned down? Well, because a lot of them,

they're doing it in the town. Yeah, a lot of them want to do that. But what they have is the car element that they haven't figured out yet. None of those other tech companies really prove that yet. The Tesla's got that cool factor. It's got Elon Musk. And their car, who the hell knows?

But you just wait, you just wait for Toyota Honda. They come and they're like, oh, okay, the market's really pushing this direction either because the government made regulations to make it mandatory or because the market, because if you actually do the math, I'm telling you right now, if you actually do the math, it still makes no sense to buy an electric car.

And if you actually look at the amount of coal that they have to burn to find out, it doesn't add up to be an environmentally conscious or not completely, right? But it will in the future. When it starts to get to that point, with the more efficient with it. It starts to burn to find. Oh, I know, it doesn't add up to it being environmentally conscious. Not completely, right? But it will in the future. When it starts to get to that point, it's more efficient with it. It starts to get to that point.

Tesla's, I mean, the competition's going to explode. And if you look at their bottom line, you look at their numbers, they're not a super big pro, they're, their valuation of the stock market and makes no sense. I mean, I don't totally disagree with that. They're the values.

Now, if you believe in Elon Musk and you believe he's Tony Stark and you believe he's like this. Well, you don't need to do that. Now, if you believe in Elon Musk and you believe he's Tony Stark and you believe he's like this. You don't need to do that. Which he's a guy that I'm just gonna say. You just gotta believe that the old dogs are gonna get knocked off the hill. You just gotta believe that GM, Toyota, Honda,

one of the big dogs is it time that you see a new one that comes in there. I mean, we, okay, listen, in just in the last two decades, look what Kia did. Okay, did you know? Okay, Kia was a laughing stock when it first came in. And then it got in partnered with the MBA and these big teams.

And now Kia is like one of the number one selling vehicles in the world. Yeah, but hold on a second. So what makes you think that Tesla can't come up and be the same thing? Because they still haven't, and you know, Tesla doesn't work with dealerships. You guys know this, right?

Yeah. Okay, so you know there's states and areas that you can't sell Teslas because they have regulations and laws, so you have to work with dealerships. You guys know this, right? Okay, so do you know there's states and areas that you can't sell Teslas? Because they have regulations and laws, so you have to go through dealership. Do you know who has their hands in every aspect of car sales in America? All the big car dealership, all the big car manufacturers.

It's a, it's a, if you really look at it and break it down. That's part of why I think the belief in the hype is around him is that he's trying to disrupt all of it. You're right. It's him. We're in this, We're the we're this close to never going to be this way dealership to buy a car in the first Let me put it this way if something happened Elon Musk and he was gone their stock would plummet now when Steve Jobs left There was a little dip in the stock, but Apple still held strong because they were really fundamentally didn't dude Apple was almost like a done apple Apple almost went bankrupt until Steve Jobs came and No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm talking about went after the second time when Steve jobs left passed away. Yeah, but that's

That's a leadership shadow. No, it's not a leadership shadow. It's because Apple was a well Yes, I guess it was because Apple fundamentally was a hugely profitable company if Elon is gone They're gonna look at the numbers and be like this doesn't make any sense. Yeah, that's a bad example because that's right now. I mean, just Steve Jobs was Apple. They didn't think he was Apple. He left Apple. It tanked and almost went bankrupt. He brought back Apple, came back, completely changed the game in it, and then went on for

decades, then passes on. And by that time, it's established. Right. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. Tesla's getting established right now. They're still in that face. So yes, if Elon died today, absolutely, I would agree with you that I would shake things up.

But I think that he's leading the way in many ways in that space. They're the most visible. They're the pioneers right now. And it's, yeah, there is a lot of competition coming in that direction. But I do think like there's something to be said about the one that's like the spearhead of the whole world. And remember, he doesn't necessarily need to put out a Honda Toyota, he doesn't need to put them all out of business.

He just needs to take a share from all of them. And if he becomes the electric car guy and takes a majority of that market from all those people, and yes, they already make electric cars. It's not like he owns electric cars, electric cars are being made, but Tesla is crushing them in comparison to that side. Nobody wants to see him succeed more than I do.

I'm a huge Elon Musk fan, love the guy. But if you look at the numbers, look how much money he's gotten from governments and states because of them trying to promote green energy and all that stuff, how much money he's had to pay back. And also, if you look at it from a business standpoint and you look at their valuation, it makes zero sense. It's like dogecoin. It's like hype.

Right. But it doesn't make any sense and you look at the potential. You can't draw those parallels. Get out of here. Dudgecoin is going to be made up thing from nothing. There's nothing back in it. Come on. What I mean by that it's hype. It's based mostly on hype and not on fundamentals. I mean, I don't know. I disagree with that. You ever gotten a Tesla? They're badass. No hype around that. I didn't say they weren't badass. Well, that doesn't mean that the numbers work. Well, okay, so I can't, I mean. There's this restaurant down the street that I used to love going to.

They shut down, they didn't profit. They had made the best freaking calisones ever though. Yeah, that's fair. That's a fair argument. But I think that there's, he's, okay, another thing that's cool about them that they do that I haven't seen anybody else do. You know, they upgrade anything.

That's how connected they are. Yeah, I know. It's like an app. Yeah, you can boom. They connect to the anything, that's how, how connected they are. Yeah, I know. It's like an app. Yeah, you can, boom, they connect to the car like that. I mean, they're doing things so much further ahead than everybody else in that space that I, I believe that when, when they all, when they all pivot and move that direction, when we probably have to at one point, I do think that they,

well, that's why I feel like they, they look at it most like a tech company than any other of the car. You know, competitors because of that fact, like they're iterating constantly. They're adjusting things in terms of like tire pressure and, you know, they just send it out. And all of a sudden you have it all upgraded. Oh yeah. What other companies do? You get a message that says, you're 0 to 60 just went down, 0.2 seconds.

Yeah, it's very cool. But you wait. The second Apple or Google, which has way more information than Tesla, partners with Ford or Toyota or Honda. Yeah, but okay, I mean, you're talking about a company that has nothing to do with cars, you know what I'm saying? Apple's already talking about. They're not partnering with them.

They're doing their own cars. They already talking about making their own cars. Exactly, they're doing their own cars. So now what you're saying is a bunch of non-fitness people coming in the fitness space thinking they're gonna make fucking fitness-hosts. Exactly, they're doing their own cars. So now what you're saying is a bunch of non-fitness people coming in the fitness space, thinking they're gonna make fucking fitness-wise. What you're saying is, No, I'm saying,

Facebook trying to make cars and autonomous cars and Google trying to make autonomous cars, which is what they're trying to do, is very balsy because you're gonna go against people that are making cars. Of course, it's gonna be a flop. Guaranteed. Of course.

Maybe, but here, I'll take it a step further. Do you think the future of cars is people buying their own cars? Or is the future of cars, you hit your app take it a step further. Do you think the future of cars is people buying their own cars? Or is the future of cars, you hit your app and it picks you up. Who's gonna win that market? Well, if you do that way, it'll be around the new period.

You're gonna have to start on everybody. There you go. So my whole point of this is, Tesla has a lot of hype. The money doesn't make sense when you look at their profits, you look at their earnings, you look at all their numbers, it just doesn't make sense. Oh, it feels good to get a nice,

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They're both very important. You know, there's studies that show that the stretch portion of a repetition really stimulates muscle growth and gets more muscle fibers to fire. There are also studies that show this with the squeeze. You gotta do both. And this, you know, this with the squeeze. You got to do both. And this, you know, I know earlier we talked about full range of motion.

This is part of that. Bodybuilders have known this for a little while. Now the funny thing is later on, they started doing kind of shorter reps, but you go back into the, you know, the 70s, the golden era of bodybuilding. And it was about full range of motion. And the studies support this. Now here's the value with both of them, okay? The squeeze I find to be more important when you have trouble connecting to a muscle.

Well that's what I've been Pekoski would say. Yeah, been Pekoski would say if you have weak calves or weak muscle part that you probably... Lacking. Yeah, lagging, yeah, that's what I mean by weak right not necessarily strong, why is that mean by look the way it looks development. That's what I mean by weak, right? Not necessarily strong, why is that mean by look the way it looks, development. So if you have a lagging or weak muscle, that it's most likely that you have a poor connection in the contracted position, that you cannot connect very well to the muscle in that position. So, and he's got a lot of research to support that argument. I mean, I-

I mean, I- It's off my experience, I would agree. And I would agree, too. I think that's very true. And so- And then I think in a stretch position is the easiest place for somebody to feel. That's where the most damage is done, right? So a lot of the research on the centric portion of the exercise, the negative of the way down

and the stretch of the muscle, that's where more of the muscle- That's where it's damaged. That's where it's damaged. Yeah, so there is- This is not an either or. They both are extremely valuable. Both should be included in your hypertrophy training. And I'll take it one step further, which I say this on the show all the time,

is the one that will probably give you the most bang for your buck is the one that you neglect the most. So if you're somebody who trains in the stretch position all the time and you like to really focus on that, but you never really focus on the contraction. And this is where you get into all the camps, right? You know, it's just funny because your muscle, it's gonna contract.

You have your concentric contraction. You have your isometric contraction. You have your eccentric contraction. There's like, those three factors just by themselves, like you could develop a training protocol that's just like, I'm just gonna focus and just on this particular element of the traits of both of them to me are massively valuable

and you should integrate both. You know, today I saw Justin doing an exercise that really exemplified both of them to me are massively valuable and you should integrate both. You know, today I saw Justin doing an exercise that really exemplified both of these. So he was doing flies, but they were alternating, right? So the arm that was up, and I could tell he was doing this, by the way, you'd make a good body builder. I know you act like you don't try to connect, but you're all about connection.

It's just a performance standpoint. But he was squeezing, right? So squeezing the left pack while the right pack goes down to stretch. So long squeeze, long stretch, and then alternating. That's a great example of taking advantage of both. But I remember as a trainer, when I would have a client that would say, and it took me a while to figure this out,

but if I had a client that said, I don't feel my chest on a bench press, right? Don't feel my glutes in a squat. One of the ways I would get them to feel it would be right before we do the squat, I'd have them focus on squeezing that muscle and it's fully contracted position and then hold the squeeze for a long period of time to really feel that they can connect to it, then we'd go to the exercise and boom they were connected. He shows up.

Yeah, now the stretch, when you can connect to a muscle, stretch is great, especially if you exaggerate the stretch or hold the stretch, you ever do that, where you get into a position, and you're doing the fly or whatever, and you're holding that bottom position while maintaining control, and then do some reps, phenomenal. There's a name for that too,

interest stretching, I forget what this is. Oh, the interest stretching. Yeah, I forget what the technique also that a lot of bodybuilders use, where in between sets they'll do that. Did you do deep stretches and the hold like a really heavy weight for item was short period of time and then go back to it. Next question is from Jamil A144. I'm absolute dog shit at pull-ups. Could doing some pull-ups every day increase my proficiency?

If so, how many would you recommend per day? The most effective strategy that you can have to getting good at one particular exercise is to literally practice it every day. Now I said practice, not train it. So here's the key here. Let's say this person can do max five pull ups. Five is their absolute max.

You're not gonna do five pull ups every single day. It's way too intense. Maybe do one or two throughout the day. So you have a pull up bar in your wherever, your closet or whatever. And maybe four or five times a day, you walk by the pull up bar and you do like one or two and then you drop it and then you do whatever you're gonna do

and a couple hours later you do it again. You could do this with squats, you could do this with bench press, you could do this with any exercise, this constant kind of low to moderate intensity of practice, builds strength so fast, it's one of the best techniques I've ever tried for myself for building strength.

Well, you know, I like that a lot because you're fresh, you're in a position where if I'm gonna go like try to perform this exercise, I'm gonna really work on, this is gonna be the best energy going in, my technique is gonna be the best, I can connect to my body, and then I'm gonna stop, and I'm gonna come back when I'm fresh again, versus just trying to grind my way through it, a lot of times we get into that rep thing where we have to get all these reps in, just because, and what we're doing is we're promoting like sloppy form. We're promoting, you know, not the optimal version of that where I can build upon so to keep doing that and then keep fresh and taking reps when,

you know, you walk by like just one to two. I think it's perfect. You know, this is so true that, um, I was stronger at pull upups. So, you know, later on in my late 20s and 30s, I got to the place where I could deadlift over 500 pounds. So, you think I had this really massively strong back, but I could do more pull-ups when I was like 18, 19 years old. And why that was was when I worked at the dairy and we used to have this bar that I had to walk under to go get the cows, and I'd had to do that 120 times like a day. And like every couple of times I would just jump up

and hit two pull ups and then go back to my work. Just all day. Yeah, all day long. And I was listening to music, doing what I think. I wasn't even thinking of it like a workout. I was just messing around. I was killing time for the cows to walk in or some of that. So I'd jump up and do it.

And I'd just kind of played around with that. And I did that for so many years working there. Then I'd go in the gym and I could rep out 25 plus pullups. Like nothing, like super, pullups were easy for me back then. So I've had more, I've had a hard time getting good at pullups as I've got more, but I've never applied that level of frequency that I did when I was 18.

So when you tell stories like that about how, this is the way to do it, it doesn't matter how strong you are on your back and all these other exercises, very specific to pulling up, the best thing you could possibly do the way to do it. Like it doesn't matter how strong you are on your back and all these other exercises, it's very specific to pulling up. The best thing you could possibly do is just frequently do it. You cannot, and the only way you can do too much of it is if the intensity of it by how much you do like you said.

So the idea is not, you don't want to train it to failure. You're the repracticent. That's right. You do not want to train it to failure when you do that. You're, if I could do 20 pull ups, I'm only doing a couple of those and then getting down. Let me give you another example. Let's say your max squat is,

let's say you could do three 15, three hundred and 15 pounds for 12 reps, and that's failure. So three 15, 12 reps, and you're like, I want to get stronger at squats. Well, here's what you could do. Let's just say you had a squat rack in your garage, put three 15 on it,

and I don't know, every two or three hours go out there and do three, four reps, that's it. So you can do 12, just do like three reps, every two or three hours. So you're just going out, you're practicing three reps, obviously the intensity is low. And by the way, here, by the way, keep doing that. Don't do more because you think you got stronger. Do that for like four weeks.

At the end of four, and keep doing three or four, even if the three or four feel super easy, stick to it. At the end of the four weeks, go and see what your max is and you'll be very surprised at how strong you got. This was a technique that was utilized by the Soviets with Olympic weightlifting. And Olympic weightlifters, it's by the way of all the resistance training kind of like strength sports that you'll find, by far the most science has been applied to the best job of actually approaching it like they're practicing. Yes, yeah, constantly. And the Chinese now are phenomenal at this.

You look at the Chinese weightlifters and they're just doing tremendous and they just they practice. They practice all day long and they train these kind of sub maximal loads. Next question is from Taylor Baca. When should muscle muscle finishers be used and how important are they? Who beat the questions today? I do. You did this one on purpose. I have a finish here.

So muscle finishers are, that's bodybuilding jargon, right? And that basically means exercises you do at the end of a workout to give you a better pump. And they typically are isolation exercises, cable exercises, machines, and it's like, okay, so for chest finisher would be like a cable crossover, right? Or for delts, it might be like a lateral,

or for biceps, I might be like as many reps as possible. Exactly, it's just to kind of squeeze more blood in the muscle, so when should they be used? Well, if you're gonna do like a bodybuilder, I do them at the end of the workout, obviously. But really, the value of finishers is that these are exercises that don't produce a lot of damage,

but they allow you to add more volume. That's really what it is. So, okay, so I did the bulk of my workout. I know I can add more volume, but if I, let's say it's chest again, and I just said cable crossovers, right? I just finished my chest workout. If I do three more sets of bench press,

it's a compound lift, there's a lot of load, it causes a lot of damage, that'll tip me over training. How can I add more volume without over training? I know I'll pick this exercise, it doesn't cause a lot of damage and just do some more extra reps. I mean, when you're working on the pump, right? So when you're chasing the pump, I see value in these. Or when you

are really trying to work on connection, right, get more connection to a muscle, right? And similar to what we were talking about earlier about the stretch or the contraction position, I see value in these things. Other than that, I actually see them, I see them abused more in that space. So I remember training with obviously a lot of competitors when I was competing and a lot of their programming looked like this. They start with the, and we'll just use chest since all of them love to do chest, right? They start with either some good dumbbell press or maybe a barbell chest. And then the next three exercises that we would do, okay, because there's times where I'd

hop in with guys, let them lead the workout just to see what they would do. We would do this incline, barbell bench press to start off. I'm like, all right, cool. This routine is starting good. And then we go over and we hit the hammer strength machine, then we do cable crossovers, and there are a bunch of finishers. Yeah, a bunch of finishers. And we're just chasing the pump.

The whole workout was that. We did one, what I would consider big bang for your buck exercise. The one that's really going to grow my chest, the one that's really going to grow my chest the one that's really going to make the most difference we did one exercise of that we did three sets and then we're already out of it and now we're on to all these other exercises where we're just pump and fluid in there and psychologically it would trick these guys to thinking that they're because they get all pump full of fluid you're drinking water you're doing higher repetitions you're connected really well to you get a lot of tension on it because it's cable work and so they get all pump full of fluid. You're drinking water, you're doing higher repetitions,

you're connected really well too, you get a lot of tension on it, because it's cable work, and so they get all this fluid filled in, but then their chest doesn't grow that much because they're missing out on the really good exercises. Now, I prefer if I'm doing single muscles, or one muscle part or two muscles per workout,

I wanna get at least two or three really good compound type exercises. Dumbbell, barbell type work, and then the very last exercise, the one exercise I'll do is this, you know, machine or cable work to kind of pop up. But you would never trade a big bang for your buck exercise? Never. For a finisher. And that's what's most common.

So the people that talk about finisher and stuff, what ends up happening is some kids sees that, like, oh my god, I so felt that. Or they look at themselves in the mirror and they're all pumped up from it. They're like, oh, it must have worked the best. And then they're programming starts to look like a bunch of finisher's and maybe one or two really good exercises in there. And it's like, so that's the problem I see that this jargon comes from the body building space. And they're the most guilty of Abusing these types of exercises. One of the best things I ever did was to get away from that and train more Like a power what benefited me the most as a bodybuilder was actually training more like a powerlifter and getting away from all these

Super setting, finisher, pumping type of exercises because I was missing out on the things that were really building the most muscle Next question is from elevated primate. How much daily cardio is enough? Really depends. It depends a lot on what you mean by a defined cardio too. Yeah, like are you looking for athletic performance in which case you want to do the right amount of cardio to maximize the type of performance you're looking for. Is it for fat loss?

If it's for fat loss, that's nutrition. And cardio is completely not needed whatsoever. If it's for health, how much cardio is enough? Here's the best thing you could do for health from a cardio standpoint. Just make sure you walk a lot throughout the day. That's actually the best possible thing you could do for longevity and for health. And the best way to do that is rather than doing one big long walk a day is to do several walks throughout the day in order to keep

the body moving, keep things inflammation down, and keep you healthy from a fat lot, because this is probably from a fat loss perspective. Zero, zero isn't, you don't need any cardio to burn body fats, all nutrition asks, a nutrition thing. And if you use cardio for fat loss, then you're doing something that's not very effective. Maybe for a couple of weeks, but that's it. Well, that's usually the hardest pill to swallow

is to understand that the conventional view of cardio really is unnecessary. You can get a lot of that burned calorie. If that's your entire goal, you could really just focus on uping your activity levels and moving around and picking things up and taking every opportunity to move more like park further away. There's just like all kinds of different types of strategies you can implement throughout your day that will actually have more of an impact because it's a lifestyle shift

versus to just like dedicate myself to an hour on the treadmill of just like running like a hamster and hamster wheel. So my answer would be whatever you can see yourself doing for the rest of your life is enough. Right? So if you bring up your point style like, you know, I could see myself just breaking up the day with two or three good long 20 minute walks every day, forever, I could do that. I could definitely see myself. Maybe you love to get on the elliptical, maybe you love to row and you're like,

man, I love to row for 30 minutes. Is that okay? Can I do that every day? If you love to do it and you could do it for the rest of your life, that's great. I think there's lots of benefits doing that. But to your point, most people ask this question because they think they need to do it in order to lose body fat or to build a physique they want. And that's just, that's a terrible rabbit hole to go down because when you start doing that, all you are is chasing the manual calorie burn, right?

And we want to get to a place where your body is automatically burning those calories to keep you in that shape. And it's not mandatory that you get on the treadmill for an hour every single day. But there are people that find that type of exercise is very therapeutic and enjoyable. So I also don't want to meditations. Yeah, I don't want to discourage that person.

If you love to get in the pool and swim 30 to 50 laps a day, and it's therapeutic. So long as it's appropriate, and you're not overdoing it, keep going. Yeah, it's good for you. Yeah, and you see yourself, man, I love the pool so much that I could do this for the rest of my life, then keep it going. That's great, and that's enough for you.

But if you're asking this question because you're trying to get to this body that you want, and you're trying to figure out how much is enough for me to get there, well, you don't need any. You could do it all through weight training and it's probably better to do it all through weight training that way. Well, I would actually argue that mobility is more important

and that would be my angle. And this is me also like going back and I know this is way back when I was talking about going through this whole football thing again. Like we're old men and we're deciding to play football again. And everybody's trying to get on this hustle, to get back in shape, and to get in this cardiovascular shape.

And I was like trying to tell everybody, no. Like we need to focus on your joints. We need to focus on the stability element. We need to focus on, you know, like if you're gonna twist, that's where the problem's gonna occur. Like if you wanna do anything fast twitch, you wanna have these type of athletic abilities again. The biggest work that you need to put in

is to really reinforce the joints because that's what you're gonna be able to build upon. And to the endurance component of it, yes, that's great and that's a fun component, but it's something that you can easily get to, you know, for a few weeks, if not a month or so, of really like getting that back. Yeah, no, that's a good point. You know, it's funny. I last week, I was interviewed by Rich Kaspari and John Romano for their podcast, right? So Rich Kaspari,

if you don't know who he is, he was one of the top bodybuilders in the 80s and he was the first bodybuilder to bring cross striations to the stage. So this guy shows up, this is in the 80s, and he has shredded glutes like lines in his butt cheeks, right, and it freaked everybody out. So that was Gospari, he was like the first shredded bodybuilder. You know how much cardio he did during his pre-contest prep? Zero, he never did cardio, and he told me that.

It's like it's so funny how people think you gotta do cardio to burn body fat, because I never did cardio ever. I did my resistance it's like it's so funny how people think you gotta do cardio to burn body fat, it goes I never did cardio ever. I did my resistance training and then I would do my diet and that's how I got super shredded. And I said what about stamina? And he goes, well I mean I wasn't trying to get stamina to run long distances, he goes, but believe me

when I'm doing supersets and giant sets and you know 20 reps sets of squats, I built a lot of hard pumping. Well my entire time competing two weeks, dude That's it. You did last two weeks last two weeks and the beauty of that and that's what I tried to explain to clients When I would coach them that for competing is that if you do a really good job of Programming right and dieting correctly and building metabolism up It's rad because that last two weeks. I can make some serious moves

Mm-hmm if I can make some serious moves. If I was off a little bit, like, you know, before every show, I go, okay, I've got 12 weeks until the show, I have an idea of kind of where I'm at, body fat, I have an idea of kind of how my body looks. Okay, let's go and I start training. And I'm critiquing every week, like how I'm shaping up and how my body's changing.

Let's say I get down to like week three or so and I'm like, oh shit, I'm a little bit heavier, a little more body fat than I should be right now. Now all of a sudden I kick up cardio, which I hadn't been doing whatsoever. Oh my, I mean my body would respond right away versus what you see in the space is as soon as someone starts their exercise routine, they automatically just part of it is 30 minutes to an hour on the treadmill or the stair master. And it's like, you do know that once you've done that for about two weeks, the body is already getting really adapted to it. So the change that you're looking for from that.

And then God forbid you stop it. That's right, exactly. So, Minnowl, I would rather think that that's something I got in my back pocket that if I really need to ramp up the results in the final two weeks, I got it. And so, many times, it was like, like, Grispario. It would be almost none. You know, I'm walking. it was like, like, Gospari, it would be almost none. You know, I'm walking. That was like, my cardio would be walking

for some steps and I would manage it that way. And only if I had to ramp it up for 30 minutes to an hour towards the last two weeks. That's great. Look, if you like our content, if you think Mind Pump is informative, you will love Mind Pump Free.com. That's what we have all of our fitness guides.

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