Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1591: The Best Form of Cardio, the Truth About Partial Reps, the Best Time of Day to Work Out & More

Episode Date: July 7, 2021

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about instances where partial reps are better than a full range of motion, the best forms of cardio, the benefits of trai...ning first thing in the morning compared to afternoon and evening, and their biggest regret from their early weight training days. The BEST way to use ‘supersets’ in your programming. (5:15) A very Happy 4th of July Mind Pump weekend. (12:33) Sal updates on his son’s sleep training progress. (18:04) The nutritional value of eating organ meats. (29:42) Shout out to Hunter McIntyre! (33:30) Why Sal stays out of the water. (37:55) What the latest job numbers say about the state of the economy and society. (42:01) Bill Cosby has a GOOD lawyer. (48:05) Adam knows A LOT about Britney Spears. (49:12) TikTok influencers need to stop. (56:56) The benefits of ‘Immunity’ from Organifi. (58:55) #Quah question #1 – Is there any instance where partial reps are better than a full range of motion? (1:01:17) #Quah question #2 – Out of all the forms of cardio, which would you guys recommend? (1:07:45) #Quah question #3 – What are the benefits of training first thing in the morning compared to afternoon and evening? (1:15:10) #Quah question #4 – What is your biggest regret from your early weight training days? (1:22:08) Related Links/Products Mentioned July Promotion: MAPS HIIT and the No BS 6-Pack Formula 50% off!  **Promo code “JULYSPECIAL” at checkout** How To Use Supersets For Maximum Muscle Gain – Mind Pump Blog Batelle - Remote Sleep School Visit Paleo Valley for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “Mindpump15” at checkout for 15% discount** Agonizing Video Shows Moment Man Becomes Victim Of Shark Attack While Parasailing Latest Jobs Report Shows Employment Bouncing Back After Massive Loss in April Bill Cosby released from prison after conviction vacated Britney Spears’s Conservatorship Nightmare Leaving Neverland | Documentaries | HBO Visit From You Flowers for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout* NEAT vs. Cardio for Maximum Calorie Burn – Mind Pump Blog Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Hunter McIntyre (@huntthesheriff)  Instagram Joe Donnelly (@joedonnellyfit)  Instagram Mike Salemi (@mike.salemi)  Instagram

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Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump, right? In today's episode, we answered fitness and health questions that were asked by listeners just like you. But the way we open the episode is with a 58 minute intro portion,
Starting point is 00:00:28 where we call it a log one, Sal. Talk about fitness, we talk about scientific studies around nutrition, talk about current events, things that are happening our lives, it's the fun conversation part of this episode. So remember, 58 minutes intro, then we get into the fitness questions. So fast forward, if you don't wanna have fun
Starting point is 00:00:43 and you just wanna learn about fitness. Boring. All right, so here's what happened in today's episode. We opened up talking about supersets, their value, when to use them. And there's a video of me working out now on this channel. So you might want to check that out. If you want to see what it looks like. Watch it later in the dark.
Starting point is 00:00:58 Fit and over 40, boom. Then we talk about our July 4th of July celebrations. Over the weekend. Great holiday for one of the greatest nations of all time. So we talk about what we did over that holiday. I talk about the sleep progress that my son is making. My eight-month-old son is no longer killing us with the bad sleep. Oh, absolutely. We are figuring it out. Then I talk about the value of Oregon meats, nutrient-dense, great for health, but what if you don't like the taste of spleen, liver, and kidneys?
Starting point is 00:01:30 Well, you can supplement. We're so delicious. You can supplement with organ complex from paleovali. So these are capsules of dried, freeze-dried organ meats in these capsules. You don't taste them, but you get the nutrients. So it's a great supplement, very healthy. It's like nature's multivitamin.
Starting point is 00:01:46 Go check them out. Head over to paleovali.com forward slash mind pump. And then use the code mind pump 15. That's mind pump 1.5 for 15% off your first order. Then we give a shout out to our friend Hunter McIntyre for taking first place and yet another physical competition. Then I talked about how a man went parasailing and a shark jumped out of the water and bit his foot to only ruined his vacation.
Starting point is 00:02:11 This is why I don't go in the ocean, Justin. Then we gave some statistics on the current situation with jobs and the economy, kind of interesting stuff. Then we talked about Bill Cosby. Oh, yeah, he's free. That's kind of scary. Yeah. Hey, he's back. I don't know. I don't know if it's Cosby. Oh yeah, he's free. That's been scary. Yeah. And he's back. And then we talked about it.
Starting point is 00:02:26 Cosby impression. Sorry. Then we talked about Britney Spears as well. Adam always knows all the facts on Britney Spears. Still follows her. Still follows her. Who knows her birthday? Then I talked about the TikTok influencers who almost died smelling flowers. They had no idea they were smelling poisonous flowers. Oh, we were so close. Which by the way leads us to talk about another company we like to work with. From uflowers.com forward slash flower forward slash mine pump go check them out send some flowers to your wife your girlfriend your husband or whatever you want to call them. And then we talked about another supplement called immunity from organified.
Starting point is 00:02:59 Organified by the way makes great plant based supplements. We've been working with organified for a very long time. High quality stuff, go check them out. Head over to organifi.com, that's o-r-g-a-n-i-f-i.com forward slash mine pump. Use the code, mine pump, but check out for 20% off. All right, then we got into the fitness questions. Here's the first one. There's person wants to know if there's any cases
Starting point is 00:03:20 where partial repetitions are better than full range of motion repetitions. The next question, this person says, look, there's a lot of ways to do cardio, which one's the best? The next question, this person says, what are the benefits of lifting weights or working out first thing in the morning versus the afternoon versus the evening, so we can compare all three? And the final question, this person wants to know what some of our biggest regrets are
Starting point is 00:03:43 from our early weight training records. Also, all month long, we're running a 50% off sale. You heard me right, half off, on two very effective summertime workout programs. So maps hit, high intensity interval training, high calorie burning program, burns a lot of body fat in a short period of time time and then our no BS six pack formula Which is core training. It's all about building the abs so that they're more visible at higher body fat percentages, right? So both programs 50% off go check them out head over to maps fitness products calm just use the code July special with no space for the discount
Starting point is 00:04:22 Teacher time and And it's T-shirt time. Shit, you know it's my favorite time. It's so impressive. We have nine winners this week, seven for Apple podcast, two for Facebook, the Apple podcast winners are Salasquez, Varlo's, D Smith, number one, TX riot XT, Number one, TX Riot XT, KEL Schneider, 21 at a journaled 97, PKP 718, and Big D energy Brian. A bunch of robots in the energy. And then we have for Facebook, we have Renee Arias and Ali Gaskill.
Starting point is 00:05:04 All of your winners in the name I just read to iTunes at mindpumpmedia.com, include your shirt size and your shipping address. And we'll get that shirt right out to you. Actually, what I wanna talk about, or what I wanna bring up is actually your cool vlog video that Eli did, which I thought, wow, do you look amazing right now?
Starting point is 00:05:22 What? Yeah, I know. This is, this is Justin, this is Adam, this amazing right now? What? Shut up. Yeah, I know. This is, Justin, this is Adam. This is how he plays my games, dude. It's, yeah. I try to sabotage you somehow. Yeah, bro, you look great.
Starting point is 00:05:31 Relax. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, but I can see what's happening. This last week and a half, I was a little inconsistent. I can see some abs through that t-shirt. Yeah, they're there, they're there. Yeah, I'm on it. No, you know what I learned from watching that workout video that he filmed me on was I am completely unaware of my facial expressions and sounds when I work out. Ugh, ugh.
Starting point is 00:05:59 Now do you, do you subscribe to the theory that it's exactly like your O face? Do you think that it's the same? Bro, if I had to be close. If I make that face when I'm having such a deal, it's like borderline painful. Justin was telling me it looks just like that. Justin, you had to say that to me. No, a lot of power.
Starting point is 00:06:18 A lot of teeth. No, a serious nisto, what I wanted to say. I'll send it to Jessica, and I'll be like, honey, is this what I... Be honest, you have to say that to be honest, is that what it really looks like or what? No, but you brought up something that we've talked about on the show before, about supersets. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:34 And I want you to talk a little bit more about your specific year routine that you were doing, but you mentioned it on the vlog. So those get a chance to go over to the, it's on the myPupTV or myPupPodcast channel is it gonna go on, do you know, does? MinePupPodcast. So it'll be there, he'll link it,
Starting point is 00:06:52 Eli should link it to this video on you too. Right, and so you'll see Sal's amazing arms and shoulders when he's working out, and then you also see him talk about the supersets and how and why you are using them. And this is personally how I use it too, He had talked about the supersets and how and why you are using them. And this is personally how I use it too. And I find that it's far more valuable this way than having this like rigid programming
Starting point is 00:07:15 that I have to do it on these weeks. Or being careful of not falling in the trap of always supersetting your routine. Totally agree. I think in the past, the value of supersets was, what we were told at least was that it burns more calories, right? So if you're trying to cut, well then you should superset because that accelerates the fat loss.
Starting point is 00:07:38 Now here's why that's kind of a false, I guess, way of explaining the benefit of supersets. The goal of resistance training should always be to build muscle and strength, okay? Even when you're dieting, because the more stimulated your body is to build muscle and strength, while you're dieting, the less muscle you'll lose, or maybe even build, especially if you're a beginner. So the question is, why was I doing supersets when right now I'm trying to get lean? It's not because of the calorie burn. It's because number one
Starting point is 00:08:07 I haven't done supersets consistently in a while so it's new stimulus But here's the big one. It's the psychological benefit. I Can't lift as heavy when I'm eating less calories. It's just not gonna work I'm not gonna be as strong when I'm cutting my calories and cutting my carbs as I was before when I was eating You know seven eight hundred more calories was before when I was eating, 700, 800 more calories a day and I was eating more carbohydrates. So because supersets require you to go lighter anyway,
Starting point is 00:08:32 it works well with my psyche. Because if I went into a strength training phase with like three minute rests and heavy, it's gonna messle my head because. Yeah, your calorie to pride right now, so your strength's probably down five minutes. It's like demoralizing. Yes, yes, totally. So the supersets are just psychologically, to messle my head because your calorie deprived right now, so your strength is probably down five percent. So the super sets are just psychologically, I'm like, I'm not going to lift this heavy
Starting point is 00:08:50 anyway. Let me do super sets. So what I did in the video was I kind of did like a phase three maps aesthetic style workout. And there's a couple of ways that the super sets are set up. There's either same body part super set. So like two exercises for chest, back to back, and it's usually a compound lift
Starting point is 00:09:09 and isolation lift or something like that. And then the other way, which is what I was doing in the video, we're opposing muscle groups. So I'd go chest back superset. That's a fun one. Yes, or bicep triceps superset, which I love, you know, I love the way that feels. So.
Starting point is 00:09:22 Now of that workout, did you have a favor, what you have a favorite superset you did? There's two that I really, you know, I love the way that feels. So, now of that workout, did you have a favor, well you have a favorite superset you did? There's two that I really, really enjoy doing. I really, really love doing a, some kind of a chest press. So an incline press, for example, and a barbell row or an incline press and a pullup. It just feels great to get both sides of my torso,
Starting point is 00:09:41 kind of pumped and feeling good. And then they help, right? Cause as I'm doing the barbell row, it's kind of working working with my posture then I go into my press. It's like beneficial And then the other super set that I love is a just a basic dumbbell curl to a lying dumbbell Skull crusher because I have to I use the same dumbbell so I'm seated Yeah curls and then right to skull crushers and then if you're bice if you like having a bicep pump and you like having a tricep pump Imagine having both right. Yeah feels really really good. The other thing that you actually mentioned in there that you didn't comment on that I thought is really smart too, is that you talk about being on a time constraint. So, obviously
Starting point is 00:10:19 when you are supersetting all the exercises, the workout moves, you know, it's almost cut in half. So I also like to do it like that where it's, hey, oh, I didn't know that this morning, I was going to be running late or I didn't know that something came up. So I only have 30 minutes to work out today. Oh, because I don't train in supersets all the time, what a great time for me to do it. So I kind of like to allow it just to happen like that. It's, most people have those days, right? Unless you're completely dedicated to bodybuilding
Starting point is 00:10:48 and that's your job. That's your job. Yeah, it's your job. Most other people should happen. Kid had a rough day getting started that day or you didn't get very much sleep last night or a meeting got called last minute, whatever. And so now a sudden, you're hour and a half
Starting point is 00:11:03 or hour that you had planned for your workout. Now it gets condensed to 45 minutes or 30. Oh, what's great is because I don't use supersets all the time. There's tremendous value in me doing when doing it at time. You know what's funny is that because I've been doing this for like you guys, right? We've been doing this for a long time. That I used to get so pissed off when something like that would happen where I had this like, oh, I got an hour and 20 minute planned workout. And then, you know, Sal, you got an appointment in 40 minutes or you get there late because the, you know,
Starting point is 00:11:31 the baby, you know, had a blowout or something like that. And I get so mad and then I would speed up through the workout, through supersets or shorter rest periods. And then I'd always be like, man, that was a good workout. Well, actually that kind of worked. Yeah, dude. So, or if you just like all of a sudden, you're like, well, I have an hour to work out and they're like, well, this was a good work. Well, actually that kinda worked. Yeah, dude. So, or if you just like all of a sudden, you're like, well, I have an hour to work out
Starting point is 00:11:46 and they're like, well, this just happened when I own my studio. I'd be like, well, I have an hour to work out, so here's my plan and then my client canceled. So I'm like, well, I got two hours. I'm just gonna go real slow. And then at the end of that, I'm like, man, that was a great work.
Starting point is 00:11:58 So now it's like, I embrace short time, long time, like let's make it work. And what do you attribute that most to? Novelty? Totally. 100%. It's novelty. I don't care who you are, you get stuck in your favorite thing.
Starting point is 00:12:10 I do for sure. That's why I like saving a lot of those techniques though for like times like that. Agreed. Yeah, where you have even like some of those drop sets and some of the crazier stuff that we do every now and then or we'll try and program, we was like, oh yeah, remember this fun technique
Starting point is 00:12:25 when we're writing programs, because it's like the novelty of it, it totally just shakes things up, and your body just responds in cool ways. Totally. So I wanna ask you guys, I wasn't with you guys on this great Fourth of July holiday.
Starting point is 00:12:38 How was it? How was it for you guys? I was low key. Yeah, so I actually was just Katrina and I, Katrina and Max, which I was so excited that Katrina allowed me to do that. So it was. No, normally I have to do the big family experience.
Starting point is 00:12:51 Yeah, and we've just done a lot, right? We just got back from trucky for a week with all of us and our families and then we didn't even drive home from trucky. We stopped in Lodi where my best friend and his family, I met my two best there. They're wives and kids and so we we didn't even drive all the way home We stopped there and we saw the day before the fourth we kind of celebrated the fourth with them Which by the way, I don't know if you got I don't think I showed you guys so I let Mark Max do sparklers or whatever Oh, you did you could you freaking out. I guess after after the fact I was like, oh, that probably wasn't very responsible because I'm out there I'll send you guys the video so you guys have it and
Starting point is 00:13:29 She know where I myself like is right. Yeah, bro. Yeah, yeah, bring it in too close You're like hey, son go run through the field with this Yeah, so we Well first thing she she pulls out. I mean we got my son's the youngest that gonna be to a two literally tomorrow, right? So my son's the youngest and then you have my buddy Justin and his kid is three and a half and then my buddy other buddy's daughter is three. And so they're obviously a little bit further along with being able to do things like that. And you know, they weren't even letting their kids do that yet. I'm like, ah, he'll be fine. My kids chill. You know, I'm saying like he's going to go try to burn something down.
Starting point is 00:14:07 And of course, I had him corralled between my legs. So I'm right there. Yeah, he's with you. Yeah, I'm not like, oh, too late or go have fun with the sparkler. I'm not that stupid. Did you have a life? Here's a life hole. Yes.
Starting point is 00:14:18 I didn't realize how much those things burn though. And they don't go out. Yeah, you put them in water and they'll keep going. Yeah, so I'm sitting there and I have shorts and no socks. I'm barefoot. He's barefoot, we're out on the streets, still like that. And he's between my legs and we're doing this.
Starting point is 00:14:31 And he's waving around and Katrina's like, freaking out. I'm like, ah, he's fine. He's fine. And then like one of the little sparks like land on my foot. And I was like, oh, shit. He's like, that's why you can't let him do that. I'm like, okay, maybe this is not a good idea
Starting point is 00:14:47 But he's fine. He survived. He's alive I didn't burn my son so you scarmed for I sort of got this is my fathers and mothers existed Yeah, the balance. Oh, we have to yeah the balance. Did you imagine if it was just dad? I've won and the same the other direction. I said Katrina is like always like soup She like she freaks out when I wrestle with them and everything so I try to remind her so listen if we had a daughter you did the DDT to him the other day I mean that's a little arrested for the DDT chick. He loves it. He loves it. It's a good his thing right now so I started this with it and I think I thought your video you're like do like take it. Oh yeah I hit him like a full so I get down in a football stance and you know and then he and he while he's gathering himself on the bed trying to get stabilized and right when he gets palis,
Starting point is 00:15:25 I dive at him and throw my shoulder into his chest and then he drops. Oh my God, Katrina freaked out. The first time she saw me doing that, and he loves it, he gets up and he's like, anticipating me to do it. And he's want to do it all the time now. So it's pretty funny.
Starting point is 00:15:39 That's a blast, dude. So you guys weren't all together then. No, okay. I had a funny moment, kind of like that, where I was letting Ethan go a little further into the trucky river. And so it was like, we found a really cool spot to go swimming, and it was pretty calm in one part of it,
Starting point is 00:15:57 but then there, if you go a little bit further, oh, it's like fast, it's moving. And he started to kind of feel that it was like pulling him And so he thought it was fun. I'm like, oh, you know, I don't know, but I don't have this good idea And Courtney's like on you know the shore watching the whole thing happening. I'm like, all right Well, let's do it. I'll just I'll come down a little way so you can like go upstream and then kind of Flute works. We have to go you know Bro, I hope it's almost got away from me then
Starting point is 00:16:22 You know, bro, I hope it's not almost got away from me. The other one I was like, ah, oh my god, shit. I went and like grabbed him out of the river. But yeah, I was, dude, it's fine. We're fine. We, we, we stretch to the limit. Dude, dad reflexes are a real, you ever watched those videos on YouTube?
Starting point is 00:16:36 Where dad's catch like the baby food. Oh, and it's like, it's like a life or death. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so sometimes it backfires. So here's what happened to me over the weekend. I'm, you pull like a hamstring, bro. It's like dad reflexes are, they're a real thing,
Starting point is 00:16:49 but they can, I have my phone, I'm standing on top of the carpet, right? So the rug, so it's soft or whatever. And I slips out of my hand, instinctually, dad reflex, I fucking hit my phone into the wall, and under the hard form. And then you would have been better if I dropped it right here. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:17:06 I'm like, oh shit, no. Blast it over there, so dumb. Dude, I'm such an old man now because last night, got kids setting off fireworks outside my house and I had to fight the urge to go outside and tell them to shut the hell up. You know what? Cause you're in like sleep training right now, too.
Starting point is 00:17:24 So that's gotta be fun. Oh yeah, I got my kids, I'll tell you guys about that, but yeah, yeah, yeah. Baby sleeping, I hear boom, boom. Oh my God. And I'm like, am I that old guy now? That guy that everybody's like,
Starting point is 00:17:35 oh, he's never having fun. I told you, I was a guy that went down, like, there's this local park and there's these kids are like smoking out in their car. And I went up to, you take that out of here Stuff out of here You know I was that kid barks up with his wife later on like off Did I tell you like to be right up to the window no like I was no reserve this stuff get out of here
Starting point is 00:18:01 Oh, I love it. Hey stuff out here. So speaking of the sleep stuff, right, dude, no affiliation, I gotta give this company a shout out called Battelle. You don't think it's too early yet? No. No, I think it's too early. No, it's not. I'll tell you guys.
Starting point is 00:18:15 Dude, this has been a week. It's been a little over a week. It's brilliant. So the founder, I don't even know her full name. We call her Miss Megan. She created this system. So this woman, what don't even know her full name, we call her Miss Megan. She created this system. So this woman, what's that school, Montessori? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:29 So she was, I think, a director for different Montessori schools for a while, and then she's worked with children for her whole life. And she's absolutely brilliant. This program is so brilliant, and I'm gonna definitely butcher how it works, but you use lights, and you use what are called mantras, where you're seeing something to your kid.
Starting point is 00:18:47 And essentially what you're doing, and I'm starting to understand the whole thing, is you're showing your kid that it's safe for them to fall asleep on their own, because they get anxious. Dad's not there, mom's not there, what do I do? So it's this process of allowing them to start to feel safe and comfortable. And you also learn the difference between like, protest cries, which are 90% of the cries that your kid will give you as a protest.
Starting point is 00:19:10 Like, ah, I don't want to do this. Versus like they really need you to comfort them. But they do show you how to comfort your kid in a way that builds their confidence. Anyway, long story short, my son had terrible sleep to the point where literally Jessica's brain was brain was getting fried because she deals with the the majority of his sleep, right? It would take her hours to get him to take a nap, half the time it wouldn't work.
Starting point is 00:19:33 She would be up four times every single night and it was just it was completely unsustainable. Here we are a week, a little over a week later. My son, it's five to ten minutes max to go down for a nap, max. And at night to go to bed, it's about five to ten minutes, and he sleeps almost the entire night. And that once, do I have to go into his room? In fact, when he wakes up, because there's a light that's on, that tells him it's time to sleep or time to play or time to get up, he'll wake up, he'll hear a little bit of fussiness, he'll look over at the light, he'll notice,
Starting point is 00:20:08 oh, it's still red, and then he'll put his head down and put himself back to sleep. I'm like, this is a miracle. So there's a light in the room. Yeah, so there's a light that- So it builds like association, 100%. And they learn right away, dude. Like after about three or four times,
Starting point is 00:20:23 my son- We were animals at the other day. Dude, and literally you have to, you're just teaching that. Like one, here's one technique. Again, I'm butchering it, because there's so much more to it. But if once I put him down and he starts to protest,
Starting point is 00:20:36 cry, or whatever, and I tell him, I'm right over there, buddy. I'll be right outside the door. Don't worry about it. And I leave. And he cries. And I wait. I wait for his cries to really start to elevate.
Starting point is 00:20:45 Meanwhile, through the Nanny cam, I talk to him. So he knows I'm there and I'm watching. Now if his cries start to really elevate, really high, I walk back in. I literally, like, I, what's called brushing, but I brush his back. I'm right here, buddy. Don't worry about it.
Starting point is 00:21:00 Hey, look, you're totally okay. I'll be right out there. And then you walk back out. His cries go up a little bit, and then he goes sharply down because he's like, oh yeah, dad's right there. Like you're totally okay. I'll be right out there and then you walk back out his Christ go up a little bit and then he goes sharply down because he's like Oh, yeah, dad's right there like I could totally relax. Yeah, it's it's remarkable and it's freaking saving completely saving now Looking interesting now, because she's not there right then the nanny is not there. No coaching virtually No, but these the team Batel you hook up a camera a camera, and you allow them to have access to the camera. So while you're doing this process,
Starting point is 00:21:28 they can see everything. They'll coach you. They'll say, hey, no, you did too much of that or not enough. Yes, and you know what the problem is, is that, so they late, they'll organize the cry. So there's a level one, level two, level three, and level four, cry. Parents, naturally, will think a level one or two cry
Starting point is 00:21:43 is a three or four. And they'll tell you that of course like oh, no No, he's just he's calming down don't worry. Nobody's crying. No, no, no, he's totally fine He's you know just give him a second and then sure enough and they you could talk to them in real time They're watching you you know if you want them now obviously they're not doing anything that's miraculous It's more the coaching and stuff that looking back now What would you say were the biggest mistakes that you guys made or that you didn't do that would have helped? Well, I think the big, there's a lot of challenges
Starting point is 00:22:10 initially for the baby. One was, was he getting enough milk when she was nursing him? Two was, he was, was he, did he need us to be with him and comfort him? Or, and the common, I guess strategy is for parents and Dr. Peter Trish and told us this, just let him cry. Now, that'll work at some point,
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Starting point is 00:23:03 that I'm doing business with, but I said, you're charging too little, I said, you need to charge more. I'm serious, I got myself out. Well, because I'm sure people in that position are pretty desperate, right? So if you got to a point where you're ready to hire someone to help put the kid down, you probably are in a very desperate job.
Starting point is 00:23:17 It's a good godsend at that point. I mean, I definitely think that- And some kids are harder than others, by the way. Some kids just go right to sleep. Yeah. There's some kids where, man, it can be really chill. One of the, probably the by the way, some kids just go right to sleep. There's some kids where man it can be really chill. One of the probably the best advices that we ever received was just the importance of
Starting point is 00:23:29 routine and consistency in the routine in the set. Like when we talk about with preparing before bed for, nobody really gets ready for sleep as far as getting as adults we talk about this. It's even more important for children to be protective of. Yeah, I remember Katrina wanted to, and I love her for this for, for, because I was on board too, but that she was ready to start it really early. The, the first time I think which is after a week, right? Week one is when you do the first bath, right?
Starting point is 00:23:57 So once he was in his first bath, we began that building, that routine of, Susie comes out of the bath. He goes on to mom and dad's bed, we dry him off, he gets all his clothes on, we do his lotions stuff like that. Then we read book, even when he didn't understand anything, like it was basically me reading to Katrina,
Starting point is 00:24:12 we already started this pattern, and there was rules and boundaries that we said as far as the time that all those steps would take, what would happen when we put him the bed, the way the rule goes. You know how brilliant that is that you guys did that because what it does is think about it. If the main reason why a baby or a child is having issues
Starting point is 00:24:31 sleeping on their own is that they're afraid or they're not sure of their own security, creating that structure, it's predictable. So he literally knows. For safety for the job. Totally. It's like, imagine if you came to work and everything was in different places and you'd be like,
Starting point is 00:24:45 you know what's a little wild about it too? Is that every detail matters to this point. Yeah. So like when I said there's all these different rules, every time you deviate from it, you're in for a rough or night. Exactly. So like one of the things we learned really early on, we were so consistent with the way he was on the bed, that when he got to an age when he could crawl around and get off
Starting point is 00:25:04 the bed, we would not allow that. Like when it was reading time, when it's reading time, and mommy and daddy are laying here with you, just because he can crawl and he can get down, and go get his own book, we wouldn't allow it. It's like no, no, no, no. And we did it in a way that wasn't like, you know, yelling at the kid or disciplining him.
Starting point is 00:25:19 He was like, no, no, no, you know, pull him back, pull him back. So when it comes bedtime, it's like he doesn't even see the floor anymore. There's like the hour before bedtime, he doesn't get on the floor. So brilliant. And you know, here's the other thing, your energy.
Starting point is 00:25:32 Like if you think about it this way, if you're on a plane, cause this was exactly the scenario I thought about. Imagine being on a plane and feeling like crazy turbulence all of a sudden, and then you hear a noise. And imagine if the stewardess or the people working on the plane come out and freak out, the flight attendant, imagine if they came out and freaked out.
Starting point is 00:25:51 Oh my God, but everybody's gonna panic. Now imagine if they come out and they're super smiley and calm, hey, lots of turbulence, everything's fine. Like, you're reading their energy, right? So if your kid sees you stressed or anxious or not calm, not happy, they're like, right? So if your kid sees you stressed or anxious or not calm, not happy, they're like, why? I guess I shouldn't be relaxed. I remember when we, this was before we even had Max, I was telling you guys this, or I speculate
Starting point is 00:26:15 that the kids have a heightened ability to feel energies because that's only their only way of communication. That's a great observation. I really believe that, just like you've heard this before, right? Somebody who loses their eyesight tends to have like phenomenal hearing because of that, because the other senses are heightened because you've lost one or whatever. And when a child can't talk really, their vision isn't completely there very much,
Starting point is 00:26:38 I think their ability to feel is like elevated way more than a lot of people realize. The reading of your body language so much more. So much more. And because there's so depending on you, they probably evolved to be far more intuitive to your cues because like they can't do anything for themselves. A baby literally, like you put him out in nature.
Starting point is 00:26:58 They can't do it. You know, when they get all you run into weird issues like this where I'm at the grocery store, right? So we're in trucky and I was like getting like groceries and I had to get some olive oil. And so we went back and grabbed it and we get to the counter and Everett's like, what does Virgin mean?
Starting point is 00:27:17 He's Virgin olive oil. And I'm just like, oh, buddy. And then it's only the time's in. He's just like, oh, it means that you can't have babies. I'm like, yeah, babies, yeah. Or I'm like, well, okay, I guess that's like close enough. And now we're just gonna wrap that up. And so the checker's checking us out.
Starting point is 00:27:38 And he's like, you know that you can't have babies with this. To the checker, not just like, oh, yeah. He's like, you know that you can't have babies with this. Checker. Not just like, oh, that's right, buddy. You know, they go right over the checker. Yeah, they're just like, like, whatever. That was dying inside. That's hilarious. Kids are maybe free all the kids are free to do. Yeah, I love hearing kids talk about things that they don't really understand, but to hear what their understanding is, it just cracks me out.
Starting point is 00:28:09 No, I'm excited for that. That age is when they're so curious, they ask a million questions. I had with my buddy's daughter, who's three and a half to one on four, what I thought. I just was, she's so intelligent. She's reading already, and she's picking up this big vocabulary,
Starting point is 00:28:23 and we were talking about when she said, people ask her how she's doing. Oh, I'm fine. Or she uses all the, so I'm trying to teach her words. I was teaching her kosher. Now, when I went on a mistake, I made, she was like, she looked right back at me and she wants to know, well, what does that mean? So I'm trying to like, actually, I know the slang version of it, but I actually don't know. I didn't know I had to go back and like look it up to actually give her the true origin of that. I didn't know what the true origin of kosher was. I thought, well, that's kind of how you say, things are okay or whatever. That's how I would say it.
Starting point is 00:28:48 It's slang, but I'm like, I don't want to be quized by this four-year-old and not be able to answer the real answer. So I'm like, on my phone, like, googling what I can. I didn't know what it's from. Do you guys know where kosher comes from? Doesn't it mean that? There's a Jewish practice. Yeah, food rabbi, like, blesses a...
Starting point is 00:29:01 So food has to be prepared in a particular way. It was, yeah. So it's a Jewish thing and that it was, it to be prepared in a particular way. It was, yeah, so it's a it's a Jew it's a Jewish thing and that it was it had to be salted a certain way and if it once it was then it was okay to eat. Had to be slaughtered a certain way too right? I don't know there was a slaughtering process but I know the preparation of the food and the meat and there I know there's a salting process and then basically saying it's kosher it's okay it's been done.
Starting point is 00:29:24 So like if someone were to get food and they say, is this kosher, meaning it has all that purifying process happen and that means, okay, now the slang use of it is okay, like, oh yeah, I'm kosher, I'm okay. But where it derived from was originally from that was saying that the meat is kosher. Speaking of meat, I know I've talked about this before, but I want to hammer this home. For a lot of people watching and listening, there's so much value, nutritional value, and performance value in eating organ meats. Every single time I include organ meats, so like liver, heart, kidney, or spleen into my diet. And here's the thing, you don't need a lot of it. So it's not like I'm eating like a whole plate.
Starting point is 00:30:05 This is like dance with nutrients. Oh, well, the liver is so dance. That if you ate a lot of it every day, you would actually get to be toxic. Yeah. You get too much vitamin A or too much iron. So, but man, every time I do that, I notice improvements in performance and strength,
Starting point is 00:30:18 how I feel, you only need a little bit every single week. Now of course, the problem is is it doesn't taste very good. And so that's always my, I always like try and make an effort to do that. And then you just get like, I'm like, I don't know if I could really include this in any more meals. It just gets to a point where you're like, I was trying hard and it just, you know, it doesn't stick. So what I do is I'll take like 10 ounces of ground beef and I'll add a half an ounce of ground up organ meat. And then you can't really do this every week,
Starting point is 00:30:49 and because I've tried to do this and I'm in consistency. No, I throw it in. I'll go through a period where I do it like twice a week for a few weeks and then I don't do it. So then if you're not, are you supplementing during that week or what do you do? Depends how much organ meat I had.
Starting point is 00:31:02 But if I go for like more than a month, then I do like organ, like I do, but if I go for like more than a month, then I do organ like I do like paleovali has organ complex so I'll do that. So it basically they're in capsule. So it's freeze dried It's a lot easier. Yeah liver kidney heart all that stuff. So you get a lot of the nutrients and it's it's freeze dried So it's not now I don't know this dumb question or not But you you are the one who got me to start freezing my fish oil, so it stays better longer. Do you need to do that with those, or is it okay to keep the...
Starting point is 00:31:28 No, no, no, no, no. So those... They don't repeat on your own. Yeah, they don't repeat on you or go back. No, the freeze dried, so they have a long shelf life. Okay. Just in capsules. Yeah, that is a good point with fish oil.
Starting point is 00:31:39 If freeze it or refrigerate it because it's a food, and it'll go bad. If you ever test it. Oh, I've smelled some rancid fish oil disgusting. Oh, dude, it's a food and it'll go bad. If you ever, you ever test it? Oh, I've, yeah, I've smelled some rancid official disgusting. Oh, dude, it's especially burping it. It's absolutely, back to the kid talk, I was gonna tell you guys this.
Starting point is 00:31:52 So we were talking about like when kids start to realize certain thing. So my son's 15. So he's at the age where he knows a lot of stuff, but he doesn't realize that slaying and stuff, he thinks like slaying in certain words are just hip to like kids is age and that like. Oh, like you don't know.
Starting point is 00:32:10 He's the only one in the know. Yeah, dude. So like, so like we'll say something in conversation and then he'll be like, that's what she said. Like kind of funny and I'm looking at him like, do you do realize everybody here knows what you're referring to? You know what I'm saying? Like, is that just you and your friends on that one?
Starting point is 00:32:27 And I don't even want to repeat half the shit. Like, it's bad stuff. That can mean one thing, but it can also mean something else. That's hilarious, because I was given Ethan an ever grief about this, because they kept using the, you know, your mama stuff. And I'm like, you guys understand, like you guys have the same mom. This doesn't work unless it's like when your friend's mom's, okay, she's stopped.
Starting point is 00:32:50 Yeah. You're mom. They keep rolling, Courtney, into the bus. That's how it works. Why doesn't anybody say your dad jokes? Yeah, I'm saying. It's not a thing. You know why?
Starting point is 00:33:02 You're more protective of a mom. Exactly, you know? Cause people will out of your shit. Yeah. Big foot of my dad would ever give. Don't talk about my mom. Thanks for himself. Yeah, when I was very like, that was a big deal for me. Not to your mama jokes, but like, if I had friends
Starting point is 00:33:14 around my mom, and if they made, if they acted a particular way, oh, I blast them. Like, that's my mom. Yeah. You can't talk about my mom. Don't say a bad word about my mom. My mom used to get a big old kick up
Starting point is 00:33:27 I love him so much he protects me. Did you guys see our our boy hunter Mac and Tyra winning first place in his race again Did you see him he just did I forget the name of the company that he just I think I was a machine awesome Did you also call out Joe don't that's what I was a loody too right now So I didn't know if you saw that or not. Did you see that? I saw that. So what did anything happen now that I know he kind of so what the what happened was I guess Joe Donnelly did a post of which by the way I don't see this is all like me getting it. I was talking to Hunter after the fact to get all the story on how this all played. Okay. Right. So Joe I guess did this thing where he was wearing a weighted vest and did some two mile time at a 14-inch client or something. It was impressive as shit.
Starting point is 00:34:12 Was it real? Well, I don't know. He has a tendency to say stuff. That's what was so great because Hunter called it out. He basically said, Joe was throwing it out there. I bet nobody can do this. And then he did it. And he does that right with his workouts and then he does his sands amount of sets and then calls him and then everybody should fucking
Starting point is 00:34:32 kills himself. That's good because they think he was really doing it. So somebody out there, it is. Yeah, so Hunter, like, Hunter jumped in real quick was like, I'll take that challenge all day. That's what I love about that. Yeah, he's like, let's go.
Starting point is 00:34:43 And so he completely went like radio silent in it a blocking hunter over it. And so at that, I'm like, did you chicken shit? Come on, you're gonna put it out there like that and call anybody out. And then hunter calls them out to do something. And people started throwing money in it. Which that's how I got involved was like,
Starting point is 00:34:59 I'll put some money on this. Like, hey, I'm just starting to go fun. I would love to see this race. So, I mean, it could make some money off of the race. That's the problem. We're building your whole brand around how bad asked you are. There's gonna be someone out there. Right?
Starting point is 00:35:11 It's always somebody better than you. Always. Sorry. Yeah, something to lift more than you. Somebody can run fast. And you just let me jump higher. And Hunter is an animal, dude. That guy is just, when you talk about the most competitive dude,
Starting point is 00:35:23 I think we've met. And just his overall performance. I mean, competitive dude I think we've met and just his overall performance. I mean the dude is strong, he's fast, he's got endurance, like he's just brain produces three times the dope, that's my theory. He makes a shit ton of dope on me. When you talk to him, when you hear him do what he's do what he does, I know. Like dude, you got like just amped always. Yeah, that's like natural cocaine. I'm always in vista people that have that kind of energy level. I think I'm pretty high energy and outgoing and all that.
Starting point is 00:35:48 But you meet someone like him and his personality just dwarfs mind. Like he is just this as soon as he walks in the room, he's and it's always consistent like that. I've never ran into him where he's just kind of like, I'm chill today. It's just always high energy. Yeah, I wonder if there's a negative to that though. What would be the negatives to?
Starting point is 00:36:06 Sure, this, yeah. Maybe I'll have that high and one direct. Well, I think one of the negatives would be having to live up to that all the time, right? Imagine if you're all wants to chill. 90, exactly, 90% of the time you're like that then all of a sudden you wanna like relax and then everybody, what's wrong with you?
Starting point is 00:36:21 Yeah. You okay? Yeah, what's wrong? I also wonder if those times. You're not really hunter today. Yeah, if there's also Opposing low lows, you know what I mean? Oh, it streams. Yeah, he's like that a lot That's a really good point and that's normally how it works, right? So if you if you just wears his emotions like on a sleeves like that right if you're super positive happy
Starting point is 00:36:41 Like extreme there's probably the extreme that's a good question ask him.'ve known people like that. I've worked with people like that where they go like a million miles an hour for a while and then they crash and then they just it's like a completely different person. Borderline, you know, like not bipolar, not something medical, but it's pretty dramatic the shift. Anyway, I want to bring something up. We did an episode where we talked about foot binding and I said that they didn't Japan. I thought they didn't Japan and then I got corrected that they did in China. They also practiced in Japan. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. They did. right now. I did know somebody somebody sent it to me So somebody from Japan said oh no, they practiced it in Japan as well Not nearly as much as they practiced it in not not quite as popular now. We know he did all weekend Just not wrong
Starting point is 00:37:40 I'll be fine one blog. There's like yeah, I can say. One blog of like five people that did it over in Japan. There's like one family that, yeah, you don't move from China. They move from China. They kept the practice going. So technically I'm right. Did you guys hear about, let me see if it's, I don't know if this is real or not,
Starting point is 00:37:57 but I read about this and this was in the Red Sea and there was a guy parasailing. So you guys know what parasailing is, right? So it's, it's, it's, is this one where you get pulled behind the boat and you're in a, yeah. You have like a rope parachute. And a parachute, which by the way, is boring as hell.
Starting point is 00:38:13 Like I don't know if you guys have ever done this. Really? Dude, it's so dumb. You look like I haven't done it, but I actually wanna do it, and like I just wanna, it has, every time I've gone on gone to do it, I like, you know, getting busy with something else, but I feel like you guys are gonna go to Hawaii. I feel like you guys get really good. Why I feel like in Hawaii
Starting point is 00:38:25 No, dude like okay when you see it in your own vacation It's like a perspective. Yeah, like that would be so cool. No dude. You sit in the back the boat goes You float up and you just float Okay, and then I slow down to get back so you didn't like it, huh? It's it's it's not it's nothing. It's not a big deal Have you done a dog couple times? I enjoyed it. Oh, did you? Yeah, what's wrong with you guy? Why did you enjoy it? You're up above the water. You're floating. It's like flying I'm with you, though. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. Now. We use you just got flat Flaps out of your house. You scared no brought there a few minutes. It's boring. What are you doing up there?
Starting point is 00:39:02 Your party is nice and quiet up there. You can be entertained every two minutes or so. No, right here. Look, I miss my pad. There's nothing in here up here. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:39:12 No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no.
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Starting point is 00:39:33 When there's, ready for this? A shark jumps out of the water and bites off his foot. Shoo! No way. No, it takes a chunk out of his foot. What's his charge? Sharks in the Red Sea? I don't, I guess.'m going to send this to Doug.
Starting point is 00:39:46 I don't know. I don't know. I'm going to send this to Doug. I thought it was like, uh, enclosed. It wasn't like part of, uh, because of pool. Yeah. Like, it's a big lake. Not really like, uh, no, the red scene at the red lake. Yeah. Uh, but anyway, no, I just sent a link to Doug. So no, the guy's like hovering in a freaking shark bite. Now is this like current news? Or is this like a, you did last time? Or was like 10 years old? No, no, no, I just sent a link to Doug so no the guys like hovering in a freaking shark bite now is this like current news Or just like you did last time or was like 10 years old. No, no, no Last shark the last shark fact you brought up. We'll have to go back and research the 1990s
Starting point is 00:40:15 No, no, this was probably was this was a this was a recent video. Um, that just happened really it's a video You know, I just the Moses red sea or is this the same one? Yeah, it is Did he part of the red sea some demon shark? Yeah? There is rage eat. Yeah, watch Doug's gonna pull it up. Dude first of all Could you be any more terrified? You don't expect a shark to jump up. We're floating. What's crackled to grab? Video I guess oh is that is this what was on the online page? I mean, is that like a streaming platform? I have no idea. Oh, our sal just sent this to you.
Starting point is 00:40:49 You sent me this link and I'm pulling it. Well, while you're looking that up, I'm gonna read some numbers because I wanna talk a little bit about. If you just read random numbers, four, five, seven. No, no, no, no, I'm gonna read it. I wanted to have a little discussion on this just to hear what you guys think.
Starting point is 00:41:01 I just still, I don't know, I'm super fascinated with what's going on in our economy. just with the amount of money that we've printed in the last couple of years, what's going on with house prices, what's going on in the stock market, what's going on with jobs, like... Cash prices. We're in a really interesting time, and typically we are able to pull from our current situations and go, oh, this is a lot like in 1970 something or 1990 something and you know, speculate on what's happening, but it is unprecedented.
Starting point is 00:41:31 It is unprecedented. And so I'm just so curious on what we're thinking. So I want to read some stuff to you guys and hear your thoughts. Oh, by the way, there's a shark down there. Let's see. Watch this. Look at it. Boom!
Starting point is 00:41:42 Jump's out and grabs a chunk out of his foot. Now, can you, do you get to sue the parasailing company for that? How's it? Who gets a trouble for that? I don't have no idea, dude. Wow. But the shark jumped up and grabbed him on the foot. Look at that shark. See, this is why I don't go.
Starting point is 00:41:55 You know what? I think it's fly fishing. That's what it looks like, right? Stupid. Yeah. Anyway, dangling. Okay, yeah, come on. Yeah, okay, here's, here's some numbers for you.
Starting point is 00:42:04 Okay, so four million, so 2.7% people quit their jobs in April. And here's some of the reasons why. People stuck with their jobs, they hated doing during the pandemic and now it's pandemics coming out. And so we're like, okay, I want to move on. Retiring early due to stocks and real estate was another reason they speculated re-evaluating career after a year reflection. That was another speculation.
Starting point is 00:42:31 Also, at the same time, there's a record number of available jobs, 9.3 million. This is also the lowest jobless teens we've seen since 1953 at 9.9% unemployed. So one at every 10 leisure, and here's another one. One at every 10 leisure and hospitality jobs is open right now. So over 1.6 million spots are open. I don't know if you guys have seen the posts from McDonald's and Burger King.
Starting point is 00:42:55 They're giving incentives to try and get these minimum wage workers to come back into those positions. There's no incentive because people are getting paid to not work. So that is one of the theories. You think it's just that? I do, you do. I do. If you look at the majority of people who tend to work these types of jobs, getting free
Starting point is 00:43:15 money from the government, it replaces it and sometimes even surpasses it. I mean, I know unemployment benefits in California will pay you more often times than... So I've heard people say that I haven't met... In a part time, you know, I haven in California will pay you more oftentimes than... So I've heard people say that I haven't met... In a part time, you know, I haven't met somebody yet. I've yet to meet you. You never met anybody that said, I'm not gonna look for a job because then I won't get this unemployment.
Starting point is 00:43:33 Well, no, my mother said that to me years ago. I'll never forget that. And that's what made change my whole thought on how I felt about minimum wage. In fact, I started to piece that together when I was in my early 20s when I came home to visit my mother one time and she was collecting unemployment. And I know how smart and capable my mom is and I know she lives in a small town where it's not very expensive back then.
Starting point is 00:43:56 I think the rent was like $700 or less a month to rent the house and I was like, hey, why don't you go down to Starbucks and get a job there? I know in no time you'll be in management because of her leadership skills. And then they get benefits and they have decent pay, they start you out and like, and her response to me was, well, son, why would I do that? And she kind of broke down the math for me and said,
Starting point is 00:44:20 she's actually being smart. She technically would make a little more money on Starbucks, but it wasn't enough, right? It wasn't enough to the gap between what she made by not being home or not taking that job, it was a small enough number that I have all this free time that I could do other things or pursue looking for a career I'd rather do.
Starting point is 00:44:40 Yeah, and then also with some of those numbers, the way that they calculate people are unemployed is changed. So now they take people who are no longer looking for work who give up, people like, I'm not gonna, you don't look for work anymore. They take them out of that equation. So and a lot of people dropped out of the workforce
Starting point is 00:45:00 over the last 20-something years where they're just like, I'm not even gonna work anymore. Older people and definitely younger people are just like, I'm not even gonna work anymore. Older people and definitely younger people are just like, I'm not doing it. And so they take that out, so when we see unemployment numbers, it isn't truly reflect how many people are not working. I thought was an interesting stat, was I'm talking about the retirement.
Starting point is 00:45:17 So there's a lot of people that retired early because of what happened with the stocks in the housing. Yeah, then inflated prices and they're like, cool, I can battle. Yeah, imagine if you bought, imagine if you're in your 50s, but you bought your house 10, 15 years ago. Right.
Starting point is 00:45:29 I mean, just in if you cash that in, if you lived in California or somewhere else, you could have made a million dollars in a 10 year gap, you know, depending on where you bought at that time. And so there's a lot of people that are retiring early because of the money that they have now from both stocks and or real estate.
Starting point is 00:45:43 It's crazy. Here's another thing that they're talking about doing. They're trying to get, the US is trying to get other developed nations to agree on a worldwide minimum like corporate tax rate. So in other words, they're trying to get all these countries. That way you can't go out, which is so popular. Why? Exactly.
Starting point is 00:46:03 Because the second that you bring the corporate tax rate up to high, companies do the smart thing. Yeah, they move. Yeah, they move because- No, I can't imagine any other countries would even agree to that because part of why they love that the United States does- They want to be competitive. Stupid stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:46:18 They're like, great. Apple will come to our country and help supply jobs. Not if we flex. So not if we say something like, if you don't pass this, then we're gonna make, yeah, we're gonna charge you this tariff or we're not gonna do that or whatever, to use our mind.
Starting point is 00:46:31 I think you do. One-world government. Do you do for C, Biden getting gangster like that? I mean, that's a Trump move, right? But do you think he's gonna do something like that? Oh, I think, I think this is just all top. There are no, they're really trying hard to dramatically increase the taxes that people are going to pay
Starting point is 00:46:47 for lots of things, definitely, dramatically. So I think this is something that they're trying to do. I know the quote that they said was something like 90% of the countries that they're talking to have agreed to doing something like this. And I hope it doesn't happen because it reduces the capital that's invested in research and development, innovation. It's governments are notorious at terrible management of money. Nobody spends money worse than the person who pays no consequence.
Starting point is 00:47:15 Exactly. We're really going to do it. For spending it terribly. If I gave you 10 grand and I said, here you go, go to Vegas. By the way, if you blow it all, I'll give you another 10 grand, what are you going to do? You're going to blow every single penny. So it's really, by the way, if you blow it all, I'll give you another 10 grand, what are you gonna do? You're gonna blow every single penny. So, it's really, I hope. Did you get a chance to listen to the Ben Shapiro
Starting point is 00:47:31 and Russell Brands? I didn't. Oh, damn it, I really wanted you to listen to that because I wanted to hear you. I didn't know I would like it that much. I don't know if I brought that up. I didn't bring it up on the podcast. Yeah, I said it was really, really good.
Starting point is 00:47:40 Yeah, I really enjoy it. I guess I really enjoyed it because, I mean, I like when my mind's been changed, right? I had, I had, I thought about, I didn't like, I think a lot of the other things that I maybe heard Russell brand talk about for, and maybe that's because I'd never listened to a full two hours of him dialogue with someone like that. And so it completely changed my mind on how I thought about him. I was not, I was not a fan of him until that conversation. Speaking of celebrities and changing minds, Bill Cosby.
Starting point is 00:48:08 Oh wow. Holy cow. How did this happen? Yeah, it was because, dude, like, I mean, the amount of women that came forward and the, like, so how, so how, what kind of lawyer does he have? That's wrong. I have no idea.
Starting point is 00:48:24 I don't know. I think they called it a mistrial or something or there's new evidence or, but he's out, dude. And that is, is he out now or is he going to be a security for, let him out? Doug, maybe you can find out. I thought, I think he's out now. Yeah. Oh, he's out already.
Starting point is 00:48:37 Wow. The memes that people are making. I know, man. I just shared what yesterday was so crazy. They're so crazy. I don't know who this lady mistrial is, but I sure like to buy her a drink. Oh man.
Starting point is 00:48:48 It was like too early. I don't know. Maybe. Oh, God. Bill, that's me. Yeah. Did you see Nicole Arbor's comment on it? There's a big movement around free Britney Spears right now because that whole thing, she
Starting point is 00:49:02 goes, I know what you can do is just identify as Bill Cosby. Yeah, dude. Oh, that was pretty funny too. That was pretty clever. What's the deal with Britney? What's up with everybody defending her? Because her dad has this crazy, I knew you'd know about this.
Starting point is 00:49:16 Yeah. I answered too fast. I thought that was a dire need. I'd die a knee if this I heard from somebody. Yeah, no, her dad has this crazy crazy contract where or power of attorney over her conservative ship or something like that. Yeah, I forget what it's called right, but it's something like that dictatorship Basically, he has pretty much he has control of her finances. So now I think she released that early on and obviously
Starting point is 00:49:42 It's now got to a point where it's released that early on and obviously it's now got to a point where it's she's fighting for getting somebody else, anybody else to have this conservatorship over, even besides her family, I guess it was part of the point, right? Yeah, yeah, just because they've mismanaged it so much and kept her under their thumb. What a shitty dad. I know, that's the thing. I think it's just totally tarnished there.
Starting point is 00:50:04 She's wet in her late 30s right now, right? Family. Yeah, you know her exact age. No, I don't know her birthday. I had a liar. I do it's December 4th, but I mean I know you don't I'm serious Look at that taxi. How close I am oh my god. So they did this all when she like shaved her head and they thought you know She had forced her to take medication. Oh, that was two days off. December 2nd. Are you serious? Like you did. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:28 He did have the poster, but you're that is so creepy. Do you still, now do you still think she's like super hot? I mean, when you have, I don't think she's just a hard road. Yeah, exactly. Absolutely passion. Thank you, Justin. Yeah, passion for you. I'm saying, if I loved her back then and we were married,
Starting point is 00:50:45 she's a nice lover. I'm saying so, she's like, a little worn rough, rough past decade or so, you know, just a bunch in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You start through them. She's been through some speed bumps. Yeah, dude, she does look like she's been through a lot for us.
Starting point is 00:50:57 So I felt, you know, I mean, I know some people, like, oh my God, how can you feel sorry for celebrities in this and that, but, you know, a lot of these, I always feel for celebrities that became famous as children. Yes, bro. That's because that's the point right here. Because if you, and I don't know any better,
Starting point is 00:51:11 you should have compassion. For all the people that are just hate on people that have lots of money. Just because they have a lot of money. I know. It's like, well, in all the predators, you see surrounding them, like as they get so famous and they're just like,
Starting point is 00:51:22 just going, blowing the money everywhere. As a kid, you don't know any better. I mean, I'm sure if you asked me when I was 12, would you want to be famous and they're just like just going and blowing the money everywhere. As a kid, you don't know me better. I mean, I'm sure if you asked me when I was 12, would you want to be famous and rich? I would, my quick answer would be yes, definitely. Just like most kids would probably say, because at that time, all you're thinking about is jet skis and traveling the world.
Starting point is 00:51:37 I'd be like, if you asked a seven year old, do you want to eat candy all the time? Yeah, I'd say a big house in the world. But as an adult, you know, with a stomach ache and how much problems that would cause and that would be terrible, right? Well, that's why I always feel for these kids that become celebrities so early
Starting point is 00:51:49 because they don't learn so many life lessons and then when they do start to learn lessons, they have this distorted image of what real life is like. I would, that's the worst possible thing I think. Like I don't show or talk about my kids too much on social media because my fear would be, let's say, you know, the small chance that mind pump explodes, and then my kids are known
Starting point is 00:52:13 for being my kids, and now they have attention and fame, and what does that teach them, that they're important for nothing that they did, that they're important for either how they look or what their dad does, or whatever, and then when you fall from that, that is a hard fall. So if you're like a child star, and for two or three years, you're like, beloved by everybody, everybody says,
Starting point is 00:52:32 yes to everything that you ask. Everybody thinks you're great. Then all of a sudden, you're not popular anymore, which is what happens with celebrities. Imagine what that feels like as a kid. What does anybody like me like they used to? What happened? No identities wrapped into it.
Starting point is 00:52:45 Oh yeah, I do. Taken away from you. And of course they turned to drugs and alcohol and promiscuity and all that, those shit. Hell no. Find me one child star that didn't have challenges with that. It's pretty hard.
Starting point is 00:52:57 Yeah, I don't, do you guys know any? I don't know any that have not been through like the ringer as far as like rehab. Oh, like really, really. Like how many kids do we, or how many people that we know that we're childhood stars, her, that are pretty, for what you know, a pretty normal. I don't know any.
Starting point is 00:53:11 Now some of them came out of it okay, but I don't know any that didn't have like a crazy no. That's the, I tell you what, the last thing I would wish upon my kids. Mario Lopez maybe. It's his background. What's his story? Really? McCulley Cokin seemed a little bit admirable.
Starting point is 00:53:24 I mean, I'm only basically. McCulley Cokin seemed to be a little bit more of a surprise. I mean, I'm only basing Lee. Mccollie Cokin. I thought, have you heard him on Rogan? Yeah, he was on Rogan. Yeah, I mean, he was actually pretty measured, but yeah, I mean, he admits that it was all crazy. Like the whole thing, the whole ride.
Starting point is 00:53:36 Like, it was just like this whirlwind experience and didn't know what he was doing, but like kind of got his stuff together later on in life and pulled it back together. But like, I was actually surprised was doing, but like, kind of got his stuff together later on in life and pulled it back together. But like, I was actually surprised that he wasn't like, just really weird, you know? Did they talk about the Michael Jackson thing at all? Yeah, there's nothing weird about that.
Starting point is 00:53:54 That's the thing. I think he's been the night of it. Fairly did, like, he was just a friend and like, he was trying to keep this whole divide. He still stands by that whole, like like I didn't see none of this. I thought you're not buying it or like. No, dude. Come on, bro.
Starting point is 00:54:08 Well, grown man sleeps with another kid. With the Jesus juice, right? At that is not your kid in the same bed. And. I mean, yeah, but also what a, I mean, what a master plan that would be to make sure you befriend somebody that is a kid, that has got that much power and fame
Starting point is 00:54:26 And that could be an advocate for you so you could get away with a bunch of other bullshit So what you're saying is that child predator is also a plan. I'm saying that if you are if he's a predator like like many people believe that he is right that he is a predator Then oh wouldn't it be a pretty smart strategy to befriend a famous child and not do anything promiscuous with them so that when people ask they're going to think this kid was telling the truth and all these nobody kids who would be wanting his money. That's, I mean, that would be my theory of something like that.
Starting point is 00:55:00 Yeah, I don't know that makes sense. I mean, why wouldn't he come out by now and say that? I mean, Michael Jackson's long gone. And I mean, because then he'll go back and what he said before, maybe. Yeah, I was a kid, I was traumatized. There's a lot of ways out. Yeah, I guess you're right.
Starting point is 00:55:11 You know what I'm saying? To me, the most logical thing is that, okay, if he was a predator, that would be a very smart thing to do is to keep someone who's young and close to you and that is saying, no, we've always been great. And we do sleep in the same bed. We're like friends like one of you Have never slept in the front with another guy or what like that like when you were young kid Hey, hey, well when you're when you're the young kid as the as the adult that's fucking weird
Starting point is 00:55:35 For the kid he don't know any different right? I'm saying the kid thinks that's normal or what I like that It isn't they don't know the difference That's right. I'm always like what parents left their kids at Michael Jackson's house to do that? Well, did you ever watch that crazy two-part documentary that was- No, man, I watched some of it. I was, you know, had a change. It made me just ill. So I watched it,
Starting point is 00:55:53 and because I said the same thing to like, how could you be a parent and do that? And they talk about like- They're ticket to fame, and they're like, oh, yeah. Well, not only that, but like, it didn't happen. It wasn't like Michael Jackson rolled up, saw a kid at a car.
Starting point is 00:56:08 Yeah, he belt trust with the family. And then they feel like he's a, you know what I'm saying? And imagine that you, everybody's staying at the same hotel and eventually, the kids, they just, so what I, after I watched that documentary, I did have a little bit better understanding of like, how a parent could allow that to happen, not to say that I would, right?
Starting point is 00:56:25 But some of these kids were young, dude. Yeah. I don't want to let my six year old sleep over anyone's house. I don't care. I just think six years old. Maybe grandma and grandpa, that's it. Right, right.
Starting point is 00:56:33 You know? Well, I mean, like some of these people built that strong of a relationship where they felt that connection to my whole. Plus, I think you have a bit of a self-selection bias of people who want to live like here. Yeah, totally. Get them famous.
Starting point is 00:56:43 Totally. So they'll like, you know, totally. Get them famous. Totally. They'll like, you know, stretch there. For sure. I mean, you've got parents that are taking their young kid to multiple concerts and their fans themselves. So you're right. I think there's a little self-suffering.
Starting point is 00:56:55 Speaking of crazy stuff, I got to tell you guys about this TikTok influencers that almost died. Oh, really? Yes. So in the world rejoice. Yes, so there's this. So there's these, these TikTok influencers who picked up this flower,
Starting point is 00:57:09 which is a real thing. And we're just smelling the hell out of it and talking about how delicious the smell is and it's so amazing and this is so cool, not realizing that these women accidentally drug themselves because they literally were smelling one of the scariest hallucinogenic narcotics known to man.
Starting point is 00:57:26 What? So there's this flower that's poisonous and it's got, I forgot the name of the compound, it's called Devil's Breath is the name of the flower. Never heard of this. And it contains a compound called scopolamine, which is a very, very scary hallucinogenic where if you breathe it in off the flower and you smell enough of it, it'll put you in this paralyzed hallucinogenic state. So you're like frozen and you're just freaking the shit.
Starting point is 00:57:52 Oh my god. That's a nice one. That's what happens, girls. They went through the night had a just terrifying night and then the next day found out that was because they were smelling this big yellow poisonous flower. That's a big talk.
Starting point is 00:58:04 That would have been a great time to put on commercial from you flowers.com in there, dude, right there. I don't think you want to associate that with positive flowers. If you could send devil's breath flowers, is this something that would make you a million a dollars? Wow. Who sent me flowers? They have a lot of milk too.
Starting point is 00:58:22 I haven't seen the final numbers. I haven't seen the final numbers, all that right? So the campaign's not done with, like I think I told our audience if we were gonna work with from you flowers.com or not. But there's the stuff starting to trickle in now. At first I thought it was, we had a terrible response from our audience that you guys were all
Starting point is 00:58:37 but you're just slacking dudes out there. Bad people that don't send flowers, right? So, but recently I've been getting more and more message of people going, oh man, actually it was really great. It's great service. Can't believe how cheap it was. So, it's starting to trickle in now, so we'll see if we continue on with the one on.
Starting point is 00:58:53 Speaking of our sponsors, I've been drinking a lot of the... Have you guys... I know you guys go on and off with the immunity from... Uh-huh. Or the orange flavored immunity. Man, I haven't had it in a while, it just tastes good. I just like putting it in a big cold jug of water and then just sipping on it.
Starting point is 00:59:09 And you have all the... Now, is there any, there's no adverse effects from taking that on a regular basis, right? I mean, what's the main ingredient that's in there? Well, it's got, it's got Zinc Vitamin C, but then it also has compounds that help boost immune system, but it's nothing that if you drink on a regular basis would cause problems.
Starting point is 00:59:29 So it's actually designed to be drink. Have you ever looked at everything that's in there and said what can try to compare to what you would have to do naturally to get all those things like in food, like if you were to try and put a cocktail together yourself. Well, Vitamin D and zinc are often nutrients that we miss. So that alone is challenging. Like vitamin D.
Starting point is 00:59:49 I'm always trying to seek those out. Yeah. Here's the crazy thing about vitamin D. I also supplement with five to 10,000 I use of it every day. It's still early. And I get my blood tested two or three times a year and my vitamin D comes in right in the fucking middle.
Starting point is 01:00:02 And that's five to 10,000 a day. So there's a big individual variance in terms of how well your body produces and utilizes and stores vitamin D. Yeah, you know why you think that is for you? Like I have a piece of that dark skin. And so when I go out in the sun, I don't convert vitamin D as well as like Justin. So my theory on myself was that as a kid,
Starting point is 01:00:23 I was in the sun all the time. And probably didn't have any of that skin issues or anything like I have now. And then as I got older, I just, so my body I think got adapted to getting so much of it. And then now I don't give it nearly enough. I wonder, that's a good point. I mean, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:00:39 So it got really good at managing the incredible amounts of sun you got. Yes. But now that you don't get nearly as much sun, now you're deficient. Yes, that makes got. But now that you don't get nearly as much sun, now you're deficient. Yes, that makes sense. I guess, I don't know.
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Starting point is 01:01:11 and use a coupon code mine pump for 20% off at checkout. BEEP! First question is from Moat Strength Games. Is there any instance where partial reps are better than a full range of motion? Oh, good old partial reps versus full range of motion. Are they worth anything? Are you, to be continued?
Starting point is 01:01:27 You know, I brought this up before, but in the 90s there was a book, early 90s that came out. I think it was called, I don't remember the name of it. I'm trying to remember, but Paul Demail was on the cover, he's a bodybuilder, passed away. And in this particular book, the author promoted heavy partials over full range of motion. He said, if you do partial
Starting point is 01:01:46 with lots, lots of weight, the load, he stimulates more muscle in the full range of motion. Anyway, it turned out to be wrong. Nobody builds more muscle that way. So generally speaking, in study support, this full range of motion is superior. Now, are there cases where partial range of motion is better? Absolutely. If you're an athlete, and there's a specific range of motion that you need to train. That would be the only example I can bring. Yeah, so like if you're an athlete and there's a specific range of motion that you need to train. That'd be the only example I was gonna bring. Yes, like if you're a basketball player, full range of motion squats aren't gonna benefit you as much as partial range of motion squats because when you're jumping, you're not going all the way down and jumping up. So you want to generate power in, you know, like more of a, like, I mean, it's definitely a partial squat.
Starting point is 01:02:23 It's kind of situation. Yes. You're gonna do that in terms of like going all the way down to a squat. You're never going to really see that. Yes. Now, the other way is if there's a part of your range of motion that is just disproportionately not stable or you just need to improve it better. So like, let's say, for example, when you do a squat, when you get down to the bottom, you just lose a lot of stability and strength. And it's disproportionate how much you're supposed to lose when you do a squat, when you get down to the bottom, you just lose a lot of stability and strength, and it's disproportionate how much you're supposed
Starting point is 01:02:48 to lose when you do the bottom. You're at the bottom. Well, then it might be good to do kind of bottom position squats, where you squat down to the very bottom and you come up a little bit. Yeah, right? Or if you have issues with lockout,
Starting point is 01:02:59 like power lifters will do, sometimes these lockout bench presses to help with lockout, but besides the specific ways of applying parcels, besides that full range of motion, generally will give you, and of course, it's all within the context of good form, good technique, good stability. Full range of motion with bad stability
Starting point is 01:03:19 is just a recipe for injury. So as long as everything's good, generally speaking, you're just gonna get better overall results. Yeah, it's rarely ever as good. It's definitely, I don't see it better unless it's very specific to that. Now, I can see where it's less detrimental
Starting point is 01:03:37 if you utilize it in certain cases. For example, if I'm training, let's say, 21s are an example of this, right? So bicep curl, 21s are ones probably done these before where you come down halfway up seven times, then you do start at the bottom, halfway up seven times. And then you do seven full range of motion. So I find that it's less detrimental if you also include full range of motion with that training session, right? So if you did an exercise where you're doing deep squats
Starting point is 01:04:08 for two or three sets, and then you have one set where you go like these short pumping sets, I don't think that's going to hurt your overall range of motion. And if I'm just trying to maybe, let's say, chase the pump because it's a hypertrophy phase of training, I see some value in that. Do I think it's better than full range? No, I don pump because it's a high-perture refaise of training. I see some value in that.
Starting point is 01:04:25 Do I think it's better than full range? No, I don't think it's better, but I think it's less detrimental as long as you are including the full range. I think that's a good point because you want to fight the bad patterns that may occur if you get really into the partial rep type of mentality, which in bodybuilding obviously you could feel a lot of the pump from that and get the blood flow from that. So you feel like your muscles are really filling up, but then again now we're slowly degrading
Starting point is 01:04:54 our range of motion and capabilities. And, too, you're not going to be able to generate force in certain areas of these movements that you really need to. So to be able to include the full range with the partials is really essential. Well, you bring up a great point too with bodybuilding. I mean, you guys probably experienced this more so in having mind pumped than you ever did before when you guys hired these models to shoot for our programs, right? So not to call anybody out in our specifically, but we've hired a bunch of models to shoot
Starting point is 01:05:24 for the programs when we reface them years ago. And of course, we hired bodies that look aesthetically pleasing for camera and stuff, and not thinking that, oh, these guys that have been training for 20 years of their life will have problems doing like an overhead press for a very basic movement, but they did. I remember Justin coming in. I remember Justin's text of the line.
Starting point is 01:05:45 What did you do to me here? I can't get these guys to do this exercise. It looks terrible. I don't know what to do. I'm gonna scratch it or I'm gonna sub it for somebody else doing it. Well, you would never guess that because you look at their body and their body.
Starting point is 01:05:58 It's an amazing. It's an impressive body, but they can't produce that movement. And it's because they've trained, you know, this, and we're specifically talking about the two exercises that come in the mind that I remember Justin Textamy about was overhead press. Overhead press, and then the tricycle extensions behind the head.
Starting point is 01:06:13 So being able to keep the dumbbell behind your... And fully extend. Yeah, and also be able to pull. It's not a shoulder mobility. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of shoulder mobility to be able to pull your elbows back and not hit your dumbbell against your head. So, or you have to modify and arch your back like crazy in order to do that.
Starting point is 01:06:28 A lot of these body builders that look great, but because they do so much of that short and range of motion, they lack a little bit of building. Yeah. And again, generally speaking, full range of motion builds more muscle anyway in average people. Sometimes we look at body builders and we use them as an example. But the problem is you're dealing with super genetically gifted, often anabolic lean-hands athletes whose
Starting point is 01:06:50 bodies respond way more to resistance training than the average person. So it's hard to say, oh, that's what's good because that's what works on this, you know, 0.1% genetics type of a person. But yeah, full range range emotion. There's also the sliding filament theory I'm not gonna get super detailed in it mostly because I can't explain it very well But essentially muscle fibers Slide across each other and in full range of motion means you're getting more of this motion in each time It slides across and it contracts these little attachments will form and break That's what causes a little bit of that muscle damage and that soreness.
Starting point is 01:07:25 The full of the range of motion, the more you're gonna get this action. The shorter the range of motion, the less you're gonna get of it. So that's why full range of motion. It's one of the theories is to why full range of motion in studies tends to build more muscle than short range of motion.
Starting point is 01:07:40 Even if there's lighter weight with the full range of motion. Next question is from Estella Moschkao of all the forms of cardio, which would you guys recommend? Well, this really depends on who I'm talking to. If you're like a performance person, then that's going to be very different than if you're just a general health and I want to be lean kind of person. So if I'm talking to the general health, I just want to be lean, I want to maintain good health, I also do resistance training regularly. Then the
Starting point is 01:08:09 one form I'm going to recommend is walking. It requires the least skill and technique. So I'm not worried about whether or not you can't run or cycle or swim properly. You're probably not going to hurt yourself walking. So that's number one. It's easy. You can do it anywhere. And it provides lots of health benefits. You know, study show that just regular consistent walking throughout the day has tremendous health benefits. Now, if you're an athlete and you want to perform the whole different ball game, especially if I'm looking at a specific sport, like if you're a runner, what kind of cardio am I going to recommend mostly? Running, right? Cyclists cycling, and so on. So it really does depend a lot on the person.
Starting point is 01:08:49 I always feel like we have such a hard time with these questions. We just touched on something the other day about cardio and I was going through the YouTube comments and you know, somebody said that these guys really hate cardio. They don't they? So wrong. And it is so wrong. And so I'm always trying to think like, okay, how do I communicate this better? So people understand that I don't hate cardio. I just, what I know is that most, and that we don't know enough about this person
Starting point is 01:09:16 who's asking this question. Of all forms of cardio, which would you guys recommend? I don't know nothing about this person. I don't know what their goals are. We need to generic. Wait, and it's so, so it's really tough to answer this
Starting point is 01:09:25 for this person and people that are thinking in the same, the same place as this person is, right? So, like to your point, so like what you're trying to get out of it or get out, it matters everything. So, if you just want to be healthy and, you know, what would you, well, yeah, of course, then walking makes it to move more. Yeah, makes the most sense, right?
Starting point is 01:09:42 Yeah, activity period. If your goal, which most people's goal is, by the way, lose body fat, right, to get leaner, I think that it's a terrible form. And the reason why it's so terrible is because almost everybody that's ever sat in front of me and hired me to get them leaner and in better shape, what's going on with them nutritionally and activity wise,
Starting point is 01:10:03 to introduce cardio to that person is a terrible thing to do at that point. At that point, they're normally under-eating nutrients that their body needs, over-consuming crap that they don't need. There's metabolism is slowed from years of being sedentary and under-eating that's over-eating the problem. Right. And so then I get somebody who, and I look at their diet, and I see, wow, this, you know, this male should be able to eat 3,000 to 3,500 calories and maintain a fit body.
Starting point is 01:10:32 But what I'm looking at right now is somebody who eats 24 to 2,500 calories or so, doesn't move hardly at all. And they're overweight. Yeah, and they're overweight. And me introducing cardio to that person is lose muscle. That's right. That's exactly what's going to happen. And me introducing cardio to that person is lose muscle. That's right.
Starting point is 01:10:45 That's exactly what's going to happen. And so I'm only working against what their real goal is. Now, if you're somebody who likes to do cardio and you find it as meditative, you feel the energy throughout your day because you do it and then have fun with it. Then my answer to this question is change it up, swim for a while, row for a while, walk on the treadmill for a while, walk outside for a while, and the whole novelty principle
Starting point is 01:11:15 is going to be true here. So there's a lot of benefit to doing all those different forms. But just, you need to really understand clearly what your desired outcome, what your goal is, and why you're asking a question like this. Yeah, I mean the general answer is your personal preference. Like, honestly, it doesn't matter at all. Like, to me, it's just about creating more opportunities for activity. And that's going to benefit you long-term anyways. But the point is, to your fat loss point, is most clients coming in, that's's their thought is I have to get on the treadmill I have to be on there at least an hour if I'm going to get any kind of progress with like chipping away at my fat loss which you know we just know there's a better way
Starting point is 01:11:55 to do it and approach it and for me like I you know working with athletes I want to make it as specific as I can to having that translate to their specific sport on the field. And so if we're talking about like football, for instance, where I'm in it right now, I'm looking at opportunities for 20 yard sprints, 50 yard sprints. Like if you're a skill player, like 100 yard sprints and having that kind of explosive endurance, so they could, on any kind of moment, just boom, burst and run, but then come back and be gathered
Starting point is 01:12:29 and not be completely gassed out. So you got to look at those things of like, how this is going to benefit me in my pursuits of these different type of activities. No, that's a great point. If you have somebody who like, like one of their favorite things to do, I have a client like this right now.
Starting point is 01:12:43 She's getting ready to go, she signed up to Haft-Dome, right? So it makes sense to train that person to do something that is that's gonna mirror the time that the Half-Dome would take to get up there or the legs, the elevations, the hikes. Exactly, so. Carrying a backpack.
Starting point is 01:12:58 Right, so if there's certain sports or activities that you're into, there's modes of cardio that would match that, that would carry over to that, that makes sense to do that. But knowing your goal is so important here and understanding what you're trying to get out of it. And I just, I think where we come off as cardio haters, it's not that, it's that 90% of the clients that hired you or hired us wanted to get
Starting point is 01:13:22 the leaner build muscle lose body fat and where they're normally at in their current state, that's the worst thing they could do. It is. I'll tell you a little bit, just to put a nail in that. If your goal is general health longevity and body composition and aesthetics, and you also are not going to work out every single day. So you're not a fitness fanatic. Here's what your routine should look like. The base should be strength training.
Starting point is 01:13:50 That's the base. So most of your efforts should be towards building muscle. It's a wonderful buffer against all of the issues of modern life. It speeds up in metabolism. It's very pro youth hormone producing. So that's testosterone man and growth hormone and men and women. It's good to balance out estrogen and progesterone. So that's the base. Then what's above that, that is less of a degree, daily activity. So now what do you do on top of that? Every day I do two or three, fifteen minute walks.
Starting point is 01:14:18 Boom, now that's perfect. Okay, what's above that? Now I also incorporate some kind of a mobility or flexibility component, you know, two or three days a week, I'll do some stretching or some active type of, you know, mobility type of work. Now you've got kind of the perfect type of routine, but the base should be the strength training. Why? Because for that person, the most bang for your buck, the most you're going to get for the time spent by far is with the resistance training. That's probably why sometimes people think we're anti-cardio.
Starting point is 01:14:48 No, it's because most people we're talking to, we know it's going to give them the best results, we know the amount of time that they want to devote to the gym, we know we've seen time and time again what happens to people when they do the wrong kind of exercise with those kinds of goals. And so in those cases, we're always going gonna make the case that strength training, resistance training should be the foundation of your routine. Next question is from James Horton 83. What are the benefits of training first thing in the morning compared to afternoon and evening?
Starting point is 01:15:16 All right, so we can talk about the physiological benefits, but really the big difference between these times. Consistency. It was just psychological, which consistency falls right under. So I'll tell you what, generally speaking, okay, and again, this is, I'm talking to the average person or to most people. In the morning, here's what you'll notice if you work out in the morning. Your workout performance will be not as good.
Starting point is 01:15:40 That's the fact. I'm not going to be as strong. I'm not going to perform as well if I work out at 7 a.m. versus if I work that's the fact. I'm not gonna be as strong, I'm not gonna perform as well if I work out at 7am versus if I work out in the afternoon, bottom line. However, if I work out in the morning, people who do this are less likely to miss workouts. Why? Because it's the first thing in my day. So there's less opportunities for shit
Starting point is 01:15:58 to get in the way of me doing my workout. So I'm way more consistent. This is the primary reason why I work out first thing in the morning. I have kids, we have a business, I got all kinds of stuff going on, and I know if I do it in the afternoon, there's a lot of opportunities for things
Starting point is 01:16:10 to get in the way for me to miss my workout. But if I do it first thing in the morning, far less opportunities for me to miss it. So that's the main reason. And here's the second one. This is a great psychological benefit to working out in the morning. When I work out in the morning,
Starting point is 01:16:22 man, I am ready for my day. I come in here, I podcast better, I'm sharper, I feel energized. So the rest of my day tends to benefit. Now later in the day workouts, better performance. I mean, no doubt about it. I'm way stronger. I'm 10% at least stronger working out in the afternoon. I get better pumps in the afternoon.
Starting point is 01:16:41 It just, it feels better. Does that translate to more muscle as body fat? I think because of the consistency of the morning workouts and comparison to the effectiveness of the afternoon workouts, it's a wash to be quite honest because I miss no workouts when I work out first thing in the morning. So that's about it. Now, if you're somebody, if I'm training you, and now here's where we get some, like, it starts to become more, you know, more variance. If I'm working with you and you're my client
Starting point is 01:17:07 and sleep is an issue for you, I'm not gonna have you work out first thing in the morning because I don't think it's smart to trade sleep for exercise. If you have hormone issues, I'm not gonna have you work out in the morning. So if you're a woman and you're gonna hire me and you're your HPA access dysfunction, I'm not gonna have you work out in the morning
Starting point is 01:17:26 I'm gonna have you have a nice relaxing morning and I might have you work out in the afternoon So these are just some examples, but I think the big difference really is about the psychological aspect Yeah, I would the biggest physical detriment I would say to working on the morning is simply that is interrupting your sleep, right? If you are You find that that's the best time for you to work out because you have the most time available then, but that also cuts into your eight hours of sleep and now you're getting six or five or whatever,
Starting point is 01:17:55 and you're exhausted and you just push through it, right? Cause you can push through it and then feel good afterwards and don't mistake that by the way of feeling good because that's just your body trying to respond to what you just put it through. So that's the mistake I think some people get is like, well, when I get done, I feel really good. I mean, I feel horrible getting there in this nap
Starting point is 01:18:11 and I do it and then I feel amazing. Stress hormone high. Yeah, exactly. I mean, that's just your cortisol shooting through the roof and you feel amazing. Don't mistake that for your body is loving that or liking that. So I think that, you know, that's the biggest thing
Starting point is 01:18:24 you gotta look at. Look at if you're gonna be training in the morning time. But yeah, and I know we keep hammering the consistency thing down, but you have to understand that how much that plays a factor in your success. It's the number one factor of all things. Diet and training, program and all these things that we wanna talk about exercise, selection, routine,
Starting point is 01:18:44 blah, blah, blah, blah, nothing trumps consistency. You consistently doing something is far better than nothing at all. So whatever one of these things, it or morning or afternoon, you can be the most consistent is. That's the answer. However you find that in your schedule where you can just map that out knowing specifically, I'm going to do. At this specific time, a lot of people do find it's the first thing in the morning
Starting point is 01:19:08 because it is that very first objective that you're placing yourself in. This is what my intention of the day starts here and that does have a lot of benefit to it because now the rest of my day, like I do get quite a bit of a mood elevating effect from that, to like working out in the morning, which I like, but I don't like that I can't train
Starting point is 01:19:31 at the intensity, I can in the middle of the day, which is really where I do feel a lot more of a performance boost. So I kinda weave back and forth with the two options based on if my consistency is felt, I'll go back to mornings and try and go first thing, but then if I have an opportunity in the day, I'm gonna take it because I wanna see
Starting point is 01:19:52 what my body's been able to do. Now as far as the performance is concerned, yes, it's true, studies will show, you'll perform that as great early in the mornings you will maybe later in the afternoon. However, yeah, you do get better at it. So I will say, I still perform better in the afternoon, but I don't perform as badly in the afternoon. However, yeah, you do get better at it. So I will say I still perform better in the afternoon, but I don't perform as badly in the mornings I did
Starting point is 01:20:10 as I used to when I first started doing it. Now my performance in the mornings not too bad. What would you say it takes, I know it's very individual, but what would you say it takes the average person to kind of acclimate to that? Months, months, months, months. Four, five, six months. Oh wow, that long.
Starting point is 01:20:23 It takes a while dude, bro, waking up in the morning, first off, you have to wake up earlier than you used to and then being physical and pushing yourself to somebody who's never done that before, it takes a little while. Yeah, I think the key, I mean, and you're the more consistent one with this, correct me if I'm wrong,
Starting point is 01:20:39 is that when you transition and you're in it's tough and it's gonna be probably tough and tired, is disciplining yourself to go to bed earlier. Cause I would see that would be the probably the biggest challenge for people. For me, that would be the biggest challenge. I've allowed myself to stay up to 11 or midnight almost every single night.
Starting point is 01:20:55 But if you're getting up at five o'clock in the morning, going to bed at midnight is a terrible habit to have. Yeah, you're 100% right. You have to prioritize that evening as well. But I look, I noticed this as a young gym manager before I had kids, before I had all the responsibility I have when I was literally living and working in the gym all day. So I could literally work out kind of whenever I wanted, which and so I did I'd work out at like one or two PM. That's what I did for years, by the way. One or two PM was my workout time. It was a slow time in the gym It also worked out great because like I said, it's early afternoon
Starting point is 01:21:28 But here's what I noticed when I would manage gyms If I came in the morning at 6 a.m. Which I routinely would do I would sooner get in there early So I could get there before my staff set up or whatever it was always the same people in the gym the most consistent members That you'll see in a gym are the morning crowd. Always, the same exact crowd, they're in there, they're hardcore, they know each other, they all work out very consistently. The evening crowd, boy, does that fluctuate like crazy. But it was that my swathe got, I would come into 6am and I knew I was going to see the same
Starting point is 01:21:58 30 to 50 people working out my gym. And that's when I really picked up on it. The morning mornings are great for consistency. Next question is from John Draker. What is your biggest regret from your early weight training days? Oh, jeez. Well, I think you, first we have to reword that because I don't think any of us have regret it.
Starting point is 01:22:19 Well, if you could go back and train yourself as a kid, like, what would you say? Yeah, so I think that's a better way to ward this, because I think that we all agree that all of our decisions good or bad have led us to where we are today, and I completely accept that, and I'm happy for that, right? So, but if I were to go back and do something different in my training routine, right, or tell, you know, 20 year old me who's really just really starting to get
Starting point is 01:22:42 into hardcore training, here's some tips, Adam, you should know that you'll find out later on. The big one that comes to mind right away is squatty and deadlifting. And overhead press. Those three movements that are the staple and foundation of all of my routines was virtually non-existent for the first almost 10 years. I mean, yes, a little bit here and there, but not consistent, not like now. It's completely flipped where it was, I used to squat. I would never deadlift it, so for sure that. But squatting and overhead pressing was a very infrequent thing that happened in my routine.
Starting point is 01:23:19 And my thought when it did go in there, it was just a change things up because I love doing the leg press and lunges and leg extensions and leg rolls and all the machines when it came to in there, it was just a change things up because I love doing the leg press and lunges and leg extensions and leg croules and all the machines when it came to my leg stuff and overhead and when it came to overhead pressing, I was rarely ever doing barbell overhead press, it was dumb bell stuff, lateral race stuff, machine stuff.
Starting point is 01:23:37 So those three movements, I always benched. I think every most all kids are guys bench, that was something I did that. But if I were to go back, it would be to squat, deadlift, barbell, overhead press, those three movements, way more than what I was doing. I agree. 100%. Now, I was fortunate enough to be taught by some local power lifters, some older guys that really jacked, that told me to focus on those lifts. And so I did those lifts, but what I also did was I also threw in a bunch of garbage exercises. So it's like I did everything, and I would have been way better off just focusing on that. Yes, had I took out all these machine exercises and just focused on those,
Starting point is 01:24:22 and maybe some additional compound lift, maybe accessory movements, but gotten rid of all the other stuff I would have done so much better with my training. The other thing I would do if I could go back in time is I would talk to a younger me during that hole over the counter designer steroid pro hormone time. This is back when the laws were very interesting
Starting point is 01:24:46 and if it wasn't explicitly banned, you could sell. They called them pro hormones, but make no mistake, they were designer steroids, like super draw as a famous one, how a draw is another one. These are the early 2000s. And we were just popping them like they were, like they were skittles because they worked so well and because we weren't told that necessarily
Starting point is 01:25:06 that's what they were, they thought, oh, it's a pro hormone, your body converts it to whatever and if it doesn't, then that's okay. No, no, no, these things were legit and I should have known better because when you take them, you can tell and when you go off, you can definitely tell. And I'm sure that did some, who knows what that did
Starting point is 01:25:21 to, you know, my hormone production, my future hormone production. Yeah, I can think of a few things. I'm sure that did some, who knows what that did to my hormone production, my future hormone production. Yeah, I can think of a few things. Definitely deadlifting was not in the regiment. I didn't, I mean, I did power cleans and would take it from the floor. And so it had some, you know, carry over with that. But if I would have really built up the base of strength with dead lifts too, on top of
Starting point is 01:25:44 all the other like core lifts. I think that would have helped quite a bit. But one of the main things was when I was really trying to get big because of my position change, I had to go into inside linebacker and I was outside before and so I was like fast explosive, athletic. And my coach was just hammering me about getting bigger and stronger by all means necessary. And so the whole summer, I'm just like just the dirtiest bulk. Impossible.
Starting point is 01:26:11 You know, everything with deep dish pizzas and burgers and cheeseburgers and anything I have stuff in my face and then just training as hard as I could in terms of being in the weight room with barbells, but not keeping up my athleticism, not keeping my skills training in the protocol, just literally just living in the gym and getting beastly big and immobile. And I showed up for a camp, and I just couldn't move.
Starting point is 01:26:41 I had like terrible balance. And it's almost like the muscle bound thing where they talk about where it's just like, and I know couldn't move. I had like terrible balance. And it's almost like the muscle bound thing where they talk about where it's just like, and I know how that happens is because you don't maintain all those skills at the same time. And that was totally a detriment to my performance on the field. So that was one big thing that I wish I could have changed
Starting point is 01:26:59 alongside the whole carb loading thing before games. Like what a stupid thing that are cut. Like everybody's like eating waffles and pancakes and all this stuff before the game. And then we get to the game and everybody's like, just crashing because of, yeah. Anyway, how much weight did you gain during, now this was over a summer?
Starting point is 01:27:18 It was over a summer. How much 20 or 30 pounds? Yeah, wow. That's a lot, dude. It was stupid. It was like, I literally, it was a chore of just eat, eat, eat, eat, train. Don't move. You know, like, sitting in the couch.
Starting point is 01:27:32 And how did you feel? Like, I'm sure running straight ahead, you probably felt okay. Yeah, I was very strong. Like, you couldn't push me over, right? But if you came from the side, I would get like demolished. That's hilarious. You know, the other thing that I would tell younger Adam to do also is that while you're doing those three movements too Because I know my mentality as a as a young kid it was just do more go harder and is I would I would tell myself to Perfect those three things because if I I had the attitude towards squatting,
Starting point is 01:28:05 deadlifting, and overhead pressing that I do today of always critiquing my, not really worrying about my PR or how heavy I'm lifting, but just being meticulous about the movement. And try to be great at those three movements. Oh my God, I just, I think that if you have that as a base, as a young kid, you get good at those movements. I can't imagine the body that,
Starting point is 01:28:29 well, I mean, you look at people, and I think of people like Mike Sulemi, who's a good friend of ours, just how strong and mobile and fit that guy is. And you know, he's got the gymnastic background. He then got to go, he was taught by Lou Simmons and all those guys. I mean, he then got to go, he was taught by loose Simmons and all those guys. I mean, he's, and he's such a great example of somebody who has such a beautiful
Starting point is 01:28:50 foundation of weight training. And then it's expressed in the way he moves. When you see the guy move, it's unbelievable on all levels, right? Just mobile, strong, fast, resilient, like, very impressive. Awesome. Look, if you like our information, you got to head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out all the free stuff that we give away. So we have lots of guides on there that can help you from everything from burning body fat to building muscle, developing your core and your abs, getting a better squat, tons and tons of guides, all free MindPumpFree.com. You can also find all of us on Instagram so you can find Justin at MindPump Justin, me
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