Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1636: How to Increase Grip Strength, the Most Effective Way to Bulk, High Reps Vs. Low Reps & More

Episode Date: September 8, 2021

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the best way to increase grip strength, what it means to sweat a lot during a workout, the CNS effect of high reps ...with lower weight vs. low reps with higher weights, and the most effective way to bulk. 1636: The Mind Pump robot debate rages on. (4:48) Highlighting the massive mistake that scientists and government officials make when it comes to the obesity epidemic. (9:58) Mind Pump Recommends, Untold: Caitlyn Jenner on Netflix. (16:55) An interesting move by Bud Light. (25:05) Reliving all your worst childhood moments through your kids. (28:44) Busting the widespread myth that as you get older your mental capacity declines. (31:25) The Bishop Sycamore football controversy. (35:52) Is Jake Paul retiring from boxing?! (37:30) The ribs from Butcher Box are out of this world! (44:03) New product alert from Felix Gray! (45:39) #Quah question #1 – What is the best way to increase grip strength? (49:35) #Quah question #2 – Should I be concerned about my excessive sweating when working out? (56:47) #Quah question #3 – What is more taxing on the nervous system, high reps with lower weight or low reps with higher weight?(1:00:07) #Quah question #4 – What is the most effective way to bulk? Should I track or be intuitive? (1:04:20) Related Links/Products Mentioned September Promotion: MAPS Performance and MAPS Suspension 50% off!   **Promo code “SEPTEMBER50” at checkout** Reducing sugar in packaged foods can prevent disease in millions Untold: Caitlyn Jenner | Netflix Official Site Bud Light Releases Pumpkin Spice and Toasted Marshmallow Hard Seltzers Key Mental Abilities Can Actually Improve During Aging ESPN tricked into televising football game of 'fake' high school Bishop Sycamore Did Jake Paul just retire from boxing? Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer! Visit Felix Gray for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Mind Pump Store Association of Grip Strength With Risk of All-Cause Mortality, Cardiovascular Diseases, and Cancer in Community-Dwelling Populations: A Meta-analysis of Prospective Cohort Studies The ONLY Forearm Workout That Matters (TRY THIS!!) | MIND PUMP 5 Exercises For HUGE Forearms & A STRONGER Grip (FREE Big Arms Guide) How to Build a Strong Core with Kettlebell Farmers Walk – Mind Pump TV MAPS O.C.R. | Muscle Adaptation Programming System Intuitive Nutrition Guide | MAPS Fitness Products Mind Pump # 1427: Don’t Make These 6 Bulking Mistakes  Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Joe De Sena (@realJoeDeSena) on Twitter Jake Paul (@jakepaul) on  Instagram

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Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump, right? In today's episode, we answered some fitness and health questions, but we opened the episode with the 43-minute intro, so we talk about current events, scientific studies, we bring up our sponsors. After the intro, we get to the question. So here's what went down in
Starting point is 00:00:32 today's episode. We opened up by debating about robots in your house versus people flying the moon. This was an old debate actually in a previous episode. Adam is doubling down. We'll see how well this episode ages and who was actually right. Then we brought up a study showing that if we just cut sugar from food, it would solve so many problems. We disagree and we give our reasons why. You'll love that part of the episode. Then we talked about Caitlin Jenner and her being featured on the untold series on Netflix.
Starting point is 00:01:04 What a great episode, check that out. Then we talked about Bud Light. Bud Light has a new flavor. You're gonna have to wear uggs in order to enjoy it. Then we talked about Adam's son going to school and having a tough time. Boy, when you take your kids to school for the first time, that can be really, really challenging.
Starting point is 00:01:21 Then we talked about the improvements in brain activity or performance after the age of 50. Believe it or not, as you age, certain things do get better. Then we talked about the fake high school that people created in order to get an appearance on ESPN. We talked about Jake Paul saying he might retire as a publicity stunt, probably. And then we talked about the pork chops,
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Starting point is 00:02:43 you'll like these glasses. Head over to FelixGrayGlasses.com. That's F-E-L-I-X-G-R-A-Y glasses.com forward slash. Mind pump. Then we got to the questions. Here's the first one. There's person would like some advice on increasing or improving their grip strength. The next question, this person sweats a lot during workouts
Starting point is 00:03:04 and on other workouts not so much. Does it make a difference how much you sweat? Does this mean you're having a good workout? The third question, this person wants to know what is more taxing on the nervous system? High reps or low reps with heavy weight? So it was a nice discussion there. And the final question, this person would like to know, the most effective way to bulk and is this a way that you do it intuitively,
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Starting point is 00:04:15 Teacher time! And it's teacher time! Oh shit, you know it's my favorite time of the week. We have three big winners this week, two for Apple Podcasts and one for Facebook. The Apple Podcast winners are CJ Sizzle, Weight Lifter Danny, and for Facebook, we have Jordan Wood, all three of you are winners.
Starting point is 00:04:39 Send the name I just read to iTunes at minepumpmedia.com, include your shirt size and your shipping address, and we'll get that shirt right out to you. So we actually have people who watch the show on YouTube who think what's gonna happen first is we're gonna have widespread robots on the moon before people own robots. Whoa, oh, widespread robots on the moon.
Starting point is 00:05:00 No, that we would be going back and forth to the moon, like people. Oh, okay, so that's what I said. And I also said that it was before, like average people could have robots in their house doing these chores that you talked about. So you're saying, okay, so let's be clear. You think that this is gonna happen first,
Starting point is 00:05:18 that people, people will be going back and forth to the moon and earth, like boom, boom, boom, boom. Yeah. Before, I didn't say boom boom boom. I'm like, I can't like that. That's what I'm saying. It was a specific like they're not gonna teleport. Boom boom boom boom. Like it. We've got. We'll be tripping. Let's clarify this. Yeah. Are you talking about like billionaires going to that's a moon and a barrel like regular people? I think that so it's regular people. Okay. We'll be able to make a trip to the moon before they have a robot made.
Starting point is 00:05:47 Doing all their house show. No way. You're expensive and ridiculous it is to get to the moon. Do you know how expensive a ridiculous it would be to have a robot that could do your dishes? Way cheaper. What's way cheaper? What planet do you live on?
Starting point is 00:06:00 Earth. Bro, you're gonna be on the Tesla bus coming out. Okay, so that's where I just disagree. You have any idea the physics and fuel and risks involved Earth, bro, you're gonna be a Tesla boss coming out. Okay, that's right. I disagree. You have any idea the physics and fuel and risks involved with landing a person on the moon? Bro, we've already done it. We haven't done it.
Starting point is 00:06:13 It's had a robot come in and do your dishes. Dude, yeah. But it's time to go. We haven't been back to the moon for ever. We're a fool, forever. You lost the debate. Go to YouTube. Actually, here's a deal.
Starting point is 00:06:22 Here's a deal. YouTube is spoken. This is the beauty of it. YouTube is spoken. No, thank you. Actually, here's a deal. Here's a deal. YouTube is spoken. This is the beauty of it. YouTube is spoken. No, thank you. No, you're all wrong. There's like four loud comments and you're almost right.
Starting point is 00:06:31 There was like two for a sal, and then there's like eight for me. Okay, here's the beauty. That's enough for the way. Hey, I don't, eight to two. That's right. Here's the beauty that this is all recorded. Yeah, and it's gonna be.
Starting point is 00:06:43 And my bubble will be around in 10 years. We'll see how well it ages because here's what's going to happen when it when it happens. Have you seen busted dynamics when you're, I keep posting this when you're proven wrong. Literally, here's a higher result. I will concede to you. There's a, there's a very good chance it's around the same time because I think both of them are further out than what we think. That was how this came up because you were acting like it was going to happen soon.
Starting point is 00:07:05 I'm like, I don't think robots are going to be, I think we're going to have... Now, what are you thinking? Are you imagining a humanoid robot in the house? Like, Mrs. Johnson, thank you. I'll pick up the kids. Like, is that what you think's going to happen? Well, no. What we talked about was a robot able to handle your house chores and stuff. Like, that's what you talked about. So a robot that goes and cleans your house or does your dishes, or just one of those things.
Starting point is 00:07:27 Just a robot assistant. Yeah, like a robot assistant in your house. Oh yeah, that's happening. Yeah, it will happen. Oh, I don't think it's not gonna happen. Just like I don't think it's not gonna happen that people will make trips up to the moon the same way they make trips to Hawaii.
Starting point is 00:07:38 Like that's gonna happen. Okay, so here's a scenario. Okay, because the people don't realize, the risks, the physics, and the cost associatedated with flying unless they come out with some I love how you try and make this argument like it's like you have facts to Support what you're about to say right. We do you don't you okay? You know one of us at least I'll admit that I'm not gonna I have nothing that I can say I for sure can back this that my I'm gonna be right Here's what I have my cases that I just don't see it happening
Starting point is 00:08:07 for one accident flying the moon destroys that whole market. What are the accidents gonna be at home? Oh, my robot broke your couple of dishes? Well, it's gonna burn you. Or you stabbed my wife and you sleep with it. That's a robot uprising. I gotta play devil's egg in the boat that you guys here. Yeah, okay, so any household chore,
Starting point is 00:08:24 a robot assistant that does any household chore, is you're saying it'll happen later or after? Oh, wait, okay, now you could, because you could say those little, you know, rubas, yeah, rubas are that. No, no, I guess a little more than that. So it's like, whatever you saw in a rock call, right?
Starting point is 00:08:39 Racky four. Oh, right. Remember? Yeah, yeah, and then Paul. Remember? Yeah. Yeah. And then Paulie changes the voice. Yeah. Hey, it's just gotta be able to do my dishes. Just say it.
Starting point is 00:08:49 Cause that in itself, I was doing robot. Yeah. Like, could do the dish. Like a washing machine. The dishwasher? No. I kind of have one of those. This robot has to be able to take it from your dinner plate or dinner table and get it over
Starting point is 00:09:01 to the sink, wash it and put it in the dishwasher. Or maybe it hasn't built in. I don't know what it looks like. So, by Adam, have a good day. I don't know what it looks like, because I think we're going to be going to the moon first. Oh, no. So, I'll take it a step further.
Starting point is 00:09:11 I think it's going to do dishes and give you a hand job at the same time before we go to the moon. Well, that takes way more engineer. You lost. You just spoke. My right hand washes dishes. My left hand handles you, sir.
Starting point is 00:09:23 And then the truth is, maybe there'll be both around the same time I mean it's gonna be they're both I think there are ways away the news and the truth today no the headline and today yeah today's news we land on the moon and robot does your dishes holy shit the future is here mine pump again all right so here's here's something I'm gonna tell you guys something that is a hilarious because give us some real science I know I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you guys something that is hilarious because Give us some real science. I know I'm gonna, I'm gonna, no more your bullshit. Let's do some, I can't wait, but it's gonna be the best episode ever when this shit happens.
Starting point is 00:09:53 Hey, guess what happened yesterday Adam? Robots doing people check back in 10 years. So, so this is interesting because this highlights the massive mistake that scientists and government officials and all the people who are trying to figure out the obesity epidemic, this highlights the big mistake that they make, right? So there was a study that came out and I'm going to pull it up for you. The study was done from the Massachusetts General Hospital.
Starting point is 00:10:20 Here's a title of this particular study. And this was in science daily. By the way, science daily has got great science articles and stuff that are always up to date, right? Reducing sugar in packaged foods can prevent disease in millions. So here's the summary. Cutting 20% of sugar from packaged foods and 40% from beverages could prevent 2.4 million cardiovascular disease events and 700 okay and 750,000 diabetes cases in the US over the lifetime of
Starting point is 00:10:52 The adult population. So here's what they did. They took all the numbers They crunched it and they said if we cut 20% of sugar from this and 40% of sugar from this Wow, look at all these amazing results that'll happen. So, do you guys see any problems with a study? Why you shaking your head like that? Because when you bring studies like this, this is why I sit here, dude, because somebody has to fucking say some shit about it. Here's the year, what happens when a gambling addict
Starting point is 00:11:19 quits gambling? Yeah. What happens? Oh yeah, he does something else. That's right. And we have plenty of stats to show that. So, if you just, if you take that away, the people that have this problem,
Starting point is 00:11:28 here's what we talked about. They completely negate human behavior. We talk about the ex-relevant news. That's just that easy. Somebody that is eating themself into obesity is it's not a food labeling thing. It's not a percentage of sugar in it thing. They are medicating in their own way.
Starting point is 00:11:45 And the same way taste and flavor and all these types of things. The same way somebody medicates with rolling a dice and can't give up doing that or shoot in heroin and if you take the thing they're addicted, you don't address the root cause, they'll just replace something else that's got totally helicopters. And this is our experience because obviously we've actually worked with real people through this problem
Starting point is 00:12:09 and here's some studies that'll prove exactly what you're saying uh... artificial sweeteners have been around for a long time and when they came out they were like herald it is the old you know a big solution for obesity oh my gosh you can have your suites but without calories this is going to solve so many problems. This is incredible. And it solved no problems because what people did is they had their their sugar-free soda or their sugar-free candy or whatever, and they just replace those calories or the things. This is right in real world studies.
Starting point is 00:12:40 Those foods don't work. The only time they actually work is when everything else is controlled so they cut something out but they don't replace it. So the studies like this are so stupid because what's going to happen is studies like this drive public policy. So now you're a government official and you want to appear important, right? You want to get your tax. We're coming 40% of all sugar and packaged food going for it or we're going to tax anything above this. Yeah, here's the study that we're here to say people have that's why we're doing it. This will totally work. Here's the new rules cut all the sugar and everybody's gonna have we're gonna solve this
Starting point is 00:13:15 Problem and then it doesn't work because obviously excess calories is one of the biggest problems That's the number one thing and sugar doesn't make as nearly as bad of a difference in your diet if your calories are appropriate. I'm not saying sugar is inert, but if your diet's high in sugar, but your calories are low, it doesn't do nearly as much damage to you as if your calories are high with a high sugar diet. So is a nerd like moot? Is that like the same thing? Yeah, like it's not reactive. Like no effect, right? like but nine. Yeah. Yeah, I've never heard a nerd before Yeah, so it's it's I hope I'm using it right now. I'm a chemistry term. You're making me question
Starting point is 00:13:51 Sorry, I just want to know it was new to me like Inocuous and other thing you could say just in what the words Yeah, I love you. Yeah, so you know what it is sometimes I hear a word being used and I use it that same way And then later on I usually use that for like gases, right? Yeah. In chemistry. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Very good. That's true.
Starting point is 00:14:09 Look at you, guy. Well, man, I had caffeine too. Oh, yeah. I had a G2. Wait a moment. I must have stayed in a holiday in last night. How much caffeine did you have? I know things.
Starting point is 00:14:17 How much caffeine did you have? A lot. That's a lot. By the way, By the way, Okay, there's been like handfuls of, handful of mind pump moments that will be forever burned in my brain is like just where I remember like belly laughing.
Starting point is 00:14:33 The time when we were at, we were at this event at the Spartan race, we got invented and we were at this. It's the funnier. Private dinner that Joe Dessena had put together, right? And there's probably, I don't know, would you say 100 people in there? Maybe more.
Starting point is 00:14:48 Yeah, maybe more. About a 200 maybe. Yeah, maybe a hundred to 200 people in there and they're all on these round tables and he had hired like a speaker. It was really, really cool event. And I don't even remember what was said, but the whole room was quiet because somebody was talking
Starting point is 00:15:05 and somebody like to a table to the right of us or something, you know, spoke out loud to... Gave an answer. Yeah, gave an answer to something. Oh, that's blah, blah, blah. Yeah. It's just in response with, I know things. And the whole room that why it was so funny was because
Starting point is 00:15:21 we don't know who this person is. They probably don't know who we are. It's like our first time in this group and stuff. And just to just shits on the person. It was the most nerdy comment ever. And the person was just commenting to prove that they're smart. Well, I couldn't help it.
Starting point is 00:15:36 I belly laughed it was, and I sewed it sal, because I know that we were all thinking the same thing. And you blurted it out. It was like terets for me. So I can help it. The best part is that nobody, everybody else felt bad. And nobody, it was, we were dying. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:52 Everyone was like a bunch of assholes. There was like two people laughing, you know. Here's those guys. Here's another great moment. So obviously since we started the podcast, we talk about the fact that we smoke weed sometimes, whatever. And so sometimes when other podcastes would come meet us, they would want to like, hey, you guys want to, let's hit a join or have an edible, not a big deal.
Starting point is 00:16:11 Anyway, I'm not going to call this person out, but let's just say that they're very smart, extremely smart, and also nerdy on that side, right? So this guy shows up, good friend of ours. And as soon as you see this, he's he is like hey you guys want to do drugs What do you a narc You have a mic under there No, thanks You guys want you some drugs I've never ever once in my life said that wrong I didn't look I'm not a big dude. I'm not how you. Look, I'm not a big dude. For us, not how you do it.
Starting point is 00:16:45 I'm not a big drug person, but if somebody says that to you, it's a cop. That's not a normal person to learn from every show. Anyway, dude, dude, you got me to watch the untold story. Oh, good. Caitlin Jenner. So you started with that one.
Starting point is 00:16:59 You haven't watched it to yet. No, please, because you like it. I will. But I'll tell you what, dude, Caitlin Jenner's story is. Really good, huh? On, both. So I knew.
Starting point is 00:17:09 So, I watched it. So, you know, before Caitlin obviously transition, Bruce, right? Bruce Jenner. What a... A phenom. Stood. Just phenom.
Starting point is 00:17:20 Like, one of the most, as I'm watching this, I'm watching it with Jessica, and we have a lot of conversations as we're watching this, because it's a very interesting story, as Bruce, right, or even Caitlin, whatever. This individual is so gifted as an athlete, like everything, because they have all these home videos, right, of Bruce.
Starting point is 00:17:37 That's what made it great, right? They had all these clips from like back then. Oh, they see him on his lawn, and he's like, oh, I'm just gonna do some back flips. Like, what? I'm gonna go water ski, one foot doing crazy shit. This is back in the early 60s, like, they see him on his lawn and he's like, oh, I'm just gonna do some back flips. Like, what? I'm gonna go water ski, one foot doing crazy shit. This is back in the early 60s. Like, yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:48 This is one of those rare people that can literally decide to do something and be better than everyone else. Absolutely insane. And then the story of how Bruce won the gold medal and broke the world record against, especially against the Soviets was, so I didn't know this.
Starting point is 00:18:04 For four years, Bruce was supported by his then wife. This is before he married, what's her name? Kardashian, whatever, Kim's mom, I remember her name. He was married, his wife supported him and all he did, it was trained, seven days a week, never missed a day. Six to eight hours a day, for four years. For four years in order to be this good. Yeah. So crazy. Very himself. And then the other part is because Caitlin is so open and you know,
Starting point is 00:18:34 talking about like, you know, the struggles and stuff. Obviously, and is a 10 year old had had these issues, right? She said she suffered from gender dysphoria at a very young age. And as I'm watching, and Caitlin is such a likable person, very honest, obviously a good father, good person, everybody on the, even the ex-wife, who anybody who's ever been divorced, like if your ex talks nicely about you, you're a good person, because nine out of ten times, you're right. Even the ex-wife was talking about what a good person they are and whatever and the kids love, Kaitlin or whatever,
Starting point is 00:19:07 as Jessica and I were watching this, I'm like, man, I really like this individual and how open they are about all this stuff. That was interesting. Isn't he, Doug, do you know if he was, I think he was a badass downhill skier also. Probably. Yeah, which I was waiting to see clips of that
Starting point is 00:19:23 because for some weird reason, this is how little I knew about History or her story was I thought he won a Olympic gold medal for downhill scheme Oh, so then I see none of that. I'm like what I was so did not along was was The Catholic law which is like in thing. Yeah. Well, how many events is that in one 10? Okay. Yeah 10 events thing. Yeah. Well, how many events is that in one 10? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. 10 events to Catholic. I lost my I know. We're like happy to give the podcast you were like up here. You had to bring me back down to earth. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:53 You're only allowed to take deck up when you're in the No, but he but tremendous athlete incredible. I mean, physique, you know, Bruce was but here's the part that was very interesting. Obviously, they're interviewing Caitlin. And Caitlin says, no, all that credit goes to Bruce. Like Bruce did all that. Like that person that I was accomplished all that and I'd never want to take that away.
Starting point is 00:20:16 And then this was the best part, she goes, but to say that my story ends with that, or there's not more to stories, stupid like, there's way more to my story than all of that. I was very inspirational to watch this, and I couldn't imagine being in that situation in that time. You're talking about the 60s and 70s, like wow.
Starting point is 00:20:35 They did a really good job. I was really, I know I've, many times I've shit on Netflix as far as, as when comparing to the streaming services. And they're doing a hell of a job, man, when they come out with these series like this, on Netflix as far as when comparing to the streaming services. Yeah. And they're doing a hell of a job, man, when they come out with these series like this, because this is literally their version of like ESPN. Yeah, it's just like ESPN.
Starting point is 00:20:53 I totally think they bought it from them or something because it's so similar. I wanted to do a little bit of research and see, so I don't know if you guys know how this is how like 30 for 30s work is and what makes them so great I don't know if you know this just because I know you watch most of the 30s. Yeah They it's not like um like normally when you have a show on like any of these services streaming services It's like there's a there's a writer or produce there's a team that that's they do they create all this stuff But they don't they do that like buy the story
Starting point is 00:21:23 So like a a, they submit it to two ESPN 30 and they put it. So it's a different producer, it's a different writer, it's a different, and they take like the best of the best and then they make it on the show. So I wonder if that's what's happening here. Like is it the same person that told the Caitlin Jenner story that also told the mouse and the palestory? Or they like ESPN where
Starting point is 00:21:45 it's a whole different person produced it. I don't I didn't look at the credits. Well, what's interesting about this is and you you see this commonality when you learn about any top level anything in performance, whether it's a sport or business or art or whatever, they're often driven by this, by some kind of dysfunction or some kind of deep in security, because a person who's well adjusted does not eight hours a day go and run on a track
Starting point is 00:22:19 and we're running them, they're escaping or punishing themselves in some weird way. They don't realize a lot of times, I've met a few athletes like this. Yeah. This is why I don't get, I've never, I shouldn't say never, but as an adult, I don't get starstruck or I'm not, I mean, because they're tormented.
Starting point is 00:22:34 Yeah. A lot of time, more often than not, that's the truth. Are there exceptions to the rule always? But the, all the famous athletes and people that I've been around, when you find out more about their story, a lot of times what made them so great is they were tortured or they're just out of balance that socially and all these other things are terrible
Starting point is 00:23:00 but they are just gifted in this one area and they've poor. And obsessed. Yeah, and obsessed. They poured everything they had into that. And then we look at them and the halo effect and we idolize them and go, oh my God. And then which is why I never, I always think.
Starting point is 00:23:13 You probably don't want to be that person. No, no, they have a lot of other things going on in their life that cause them to be so great. It's rarely somebody who's got great balance in their lives. I know who was more, who was super apparent when I saw them speak and it was like an hour and a half long or two hour long podcast with Elon Musk. It came, it was very obvious to me
Starting point is 00:23:34 that this is a tormented genius. You could tell he's tormented by his own genius. Did his dad say things like he was dumb or said that he wasn't gonna be anything? I don't remember that. Yeah, his dad used to say stuff to him like that. He was right, it was him or Bezos. No, it was him.
Starting point is 00:23:49 It was Elon Musk. Is that right, Doug, do you know that? Yeah, I heard that. Yeah. Yeah, his dad would like tell him he wasn't gonna amount to anything. And like, so yeah, of course. Right, so you get someone who's being told
Starting point is 00:24:00 by their parent that you're not gonna be much in life and stuff like that. So you, well, if you're gonna to be, if you're going to be someone that innovates at that level and does, and does extreme things, that also means you're very different from everybody else. Okay. So you're not, you know, quote unquote, normal. And that's hard. We need to be growing up.
Starting point is 00:24:22 We need those people though. Huh? We need those people. We definitely know what I'm saying. Absolutely. But it's hard to live like that to be growing up. We need those people though. We need those people. Oh, we definitely need those people. That's what I'm saying though. Absolutely. But it's hard to live like that. We've got to be such an outlier. We've got to whisper poking out on the side of your beard there, buddy.
Starting point is 00:24:29 So it's sticking out a little bit. Although I will say this, your beard looks very nice. Vicki did a very good job on that. Oh, so good. You're finally lined up again. So good to have you back. I know all of us were looking pretty straggly. It was a little bit too.
Starting point is 00:24:42 I have like, there's a, you know, it's like when your hair is starting to grow out like that middle place, whatever. Especially when it comes down here. My beard, when it does it, it gets really. Yeah, you got a healthy beard now. Not cool. I like to see Justin grow his out though.
Starting point is 00:24:56 I feel like he's got, I mean, I don't want to be too stereotypical mountain guy. You know, Marty there. Oh, it's a begin with, so. That's true. Yeah, that's true. Speaking of stereo typical and that stuff, did you guys see, I think it's Bud Light. Did you guys see their new flavor?
Starting point is 00:25:10 I'm gonna pull it up just to make sure I get this right. Well, I know they're doing the whole. It's Bud Light. It's Bud Light Seltzer thing. Bud Light Seltzer. So you wanna hear the one that they're launching that's coming out here. Flavors.
Starting point is 00:25:19 Yeah, just a flavor, one flavor, let's just guess. What one flavor is coming out that is, I'll give you a hint. You're probably, if you drink this, you're probably gonna wanna wear a pair of Uggs. When you drink this. Oh, it's a little spice. I was gonna do a spice.
Starting point is 00:25:33 I can spice. Spice, bud light. Seltzer? Gross. Interesting. Interesting. Sounds horrible. I know, right.
Starting point is 00:25:42 Speaking of weird, that sounds horrible. I'm catching on this. You know what, you know, Dana White is doing this thing now, where he'd eat something every, I know, right. Do you know, I speak in a weird, that sounds horrible. I'm catching on this. You know what, you know, Dana White is doing this thing now, where he eats something every, I think Friday or something, and he records it and they chef makes them
Starting point is 00:25:52 or he hears about that. Yeah, I've seen something. I've even seen him do that. Okay, so he's, so I catch it when it hums up in my feet all the time, just curious like what it is and I like to hear what, you know, if it's good or not.
Starting point is 00:26:01 So he was having this ice cream that supposedly all these people told me has to try. It's this famous ice cream, hard to get supposedly. And it's macaroni and cheese flavored ice cream. That doesn't sound good at all. He said, exactly what he said before he says, this sounds disgusting, but he goes, I love macaroni and cheese, I love ice cream.
Starting point is 00:26:19 I would've never think that together I would like it. And he was, you shoot him, he's eating it, and he's like, this is fucking pretty good, dude. This is really good. Sometimes things, so that happens a lot often where you think two things don't go together, and then you have them like, when I was a kid and we visited Italy, my family,
Starting point is 00:26:37 my grandmother made some corn on the cob. They don't put butter on their corn in Italy. So my grandma brings out the corn on the cob and we have like 15 different courses. We're gonna put on it. Salt. That's it, like put a little salt on it and you're good. Oh yes, that's not weird.
Starting point is 00:26:53 Why are you doing this not weird? They don't put butter. Oh, well, that's not weird. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm here to say this is what was weird. Wendy's, you know those frosties putting French fries, yeah. That's weird. No, no, here's what's weird.
Starting point is 00:27:06 I asked my grandmother for butter, everybody looked like I had four heads. Then when I put it on my corn, everybody was grossed out. Oh, that's disgusting. Oh, because you put butter on it? Because I put butter on corn. And then they tried it and it was like really good.
Starting point is 00:27:18 The other thing was ranch on pizza. Ranch on pizza, if you've never had it sounds weird. It's amazing. It's actually very delicious. Yeah, I introduced that. I like that so much that I used to drizzle it on my spaghetti because that's so good. Oh God, that's so good.
Starting point is 00:27:31 Oh, my heart right now. Yes, you know, you know what, that happened. That was like, that was a magical mistake. What kind of spaghetti? My mom made a, and my mom used to make homemade ranch by the way too, which is so much better than the package. Yeah crap, right?
Starting point is 00:27:46 Okay, but it's way worse for you, right? So she made ranch salad and we had spaghetti and it mixed and it was just, oh my God, I would have never thought. And then forever after that, as a ranch spaghetti. Do you see a tea? I mean, I haven't done this in a long time. It's interesting. Look at Tear coming down my eye right now. Is this real spaghetti or is it canned spaghetti?
Starting point is 00:28:04 What do you mean the sauce? Like is it Chef Boyardee? Or it's not Chef Boyardee, but I mean, I mean, my mom used to boil the noodles and then I don't know what tomato sauce she was. Prank out. Prego, probably. Prego, I did, I didn't have an Italian friend
Starting point is 00:28:20 that was squashing tomatoes and it's garage for me. Is it make me feel bad now? Yeah, that wasn't a deal. It was either the food stamps, bro. It was either. Oh, what have you come say? No, I feel terrible. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:33 He's like, listen, it was either that or electricity. Exactly. Not feel terrible. Yeah. Except you had horses. So now I'm not so upset about that. You guys actually could lie. We always forget about that.
Starting point is 00:28:43 Yeah, I could lie. So this is week two of max going to school. Oh, so is he still crying or is he good now? So no, it's, so Monday was Katrina's first time crying herself. So she called me crying and she goes, oh my God, she goes today was the hardest. So we have them in school, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. And then he's, Tuesday, Wednesday.
Starting point is 00:29:07 And then he's off Thursday, Friday. So he had his first week, Monday was hard, Tuesday was pretty good, Wednesday was great. And then he had Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday off. And so Monday rolls around, and he's got to go, this is his first week back going. And now he knows, he's like, okay, it's time for school. And she goes, he starts crying, he doesn't want to go. And so she's like, oh my God, what should I do? So she's like, okay, it's time for school. And she goes, he starts crying, doesn't want to go. And so she's like, oh my God, what should I do?
Starting point is 00:29:27 And she's like, no, I know he'll have fun. I just got to get him there. And so she says that, and if he got to get me things, I get emotional just thinking about what she had to go through to watch this. I would break down if I saw my son do this. So she goes, I get him out of the car, and I put him down, and I hold his hand.
Starting point is 00:29:40 I'm like, let's go to school, and he's crying. And he goes, but he's walking. And he goes, he knows he has to. Yeah. And he grabs his lunch, I'm like, let's go to school and he's crying. And he goes, but he's walking. And he grabs. Because he knows he has to. Yeah. And he grabs his lunch, Pell. And she goes, and then he did this thing. I've never seen him do it right before we walk in.
Starting point is 00:29:51 I think he doesn't want the kids to see his crying. So he wipes his tears with a shirt. And he still goes, I'm like, oh my God, tear my heart out. Dude, I don't know. I told her, I said, I honestly, honey, you get whatever you want for this, because I would just break. There's no way I could do that.
Starting point is 00:30:07 If I saw my son do that, she said that. And every time, it's really tough to break away, and then 10, 15 minutes later, she's like, that's the only thing, there's only reason why I can power through. She goes, otherwise, I would break down every time, but because I know that in 10, 15 minutes when I'm gone, he's playing or having a good time,
Starting point is 00:30:27 but that initial drop off at least, you relive all the challenging sit with your kids times a million. I remember one time my daughter, I picked her up, I think she was like in first grade or something like that, and I picked her up and she was just really quiet. Like what's the matter, honey, and whatever and we're talking and she's like,
Starting point is 00:30:45 today the, you know, so and so and so and so and so like three girls. She goes They all they all told me they weren't gonna be my friend and so I'm like when you told me this. Oh, yeah And I'm like so brutal. Yeah, because well, I mean that's what that's the little girls will do that Yeah, one of them doesn't like you and they'll convince you to get a wall. She'll you me so she was by herself She's like, oh, I was playing by myself and none of them want't like you and they'll convince you. They'll all shun you, me as well. So she was by herself. She's like, oh, I was playing by myself and none of them want to be my friends. Of course, two days later, they were all good because they made up.
Starting point is 00:31:10 But man, as a dad, I'm like, what do I do? Do I like terrify these kids? Like, what? I'm gonna scare these girls. Ooh, play with them. Like my daughter. Yeah, I'm gonna hide in your bed. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:31:24 It was terrifying. Anyway, so a cool study came out. I love studies like this because it's, there's this belief, this widespread belief that past a certain age, your mental capacity goes down, your productive ability goes down, your ability to innovate goes down. So like, for example, we think of successful entrepreneurs and we think, oh, like once
Starting point is 00:31:47 you're past 30, like, oh, waste of time, like it's when you're young, or we think of, like, you know, huge innovations. None of it's true. In fact, the average entrepreneur starts their first business in their 40s. Some of the great inventions were started or breakthroughs happen from people in their 50s and 60s. Anyway, study comes out where they tested brain, basically production.
Starting point is 00:32:08 So your ability to produce certain things, you're how you think, are you better or worse at certain things, and they actually found, I'm gonna pull it up here. They actually found that as you get older, certain brain functions or mental abilities improve. So here's what the study- I imagine it's got like a peak though, right?
Starting point is 00:32:28 There's got to be a place where it kind of peaks and then starts to decline. Well, so here's what they found, okay? Now these are healthy people, obviously. If you're not healthy- Right, of course. Like any part of your body, your brain is a physical part of your body will start to decline.
Starting point is 00:32:39 But here's what they found. So it's hundreds of older people found that two key brain functions actually get better from your 50s on So they include attending to new information and Focusing on what's important in a given situation attending a new information Maybe that like you stick like a 50 year old in a college course They should be able to retain that information as picking what's important to stick to and applying it So decision making making self-control
Starting point is 00:33:06 That's wisdom. Yes. I mean that that's really what you build yourself up to is you kind of filter through a lot of information and you go, yeah, that's the meat right there. I'm gonna be all fat like this is oh this is the importance Well, so you know what's you know what's crazy about this because obviously as kids Media commercials TV you you grow up thinking thinking older people don't know much. And by the way, this is a relatively modern phenomena for most of, because it all depends commercials. And for most, because why we glamorize sex appeal
Starting point is 00:33:38 and that kind of stuff, right? Most old cultures, rever older people. Like if you go to any culture that's been around for a long time, you find that they revere older people, they respect them, their wisdom, their words, all that stuff. Okay, so as I got older and started training people in advanced age, one of the reasons why I love training them so much was their advice and their wisdom was just their life experience.
Starting point is 00:34:04 Oh, it was. Do you think some of that has to do with like young kids like idolize new information? Like if it's something new that came out or they just learned something new and then they get so attached because how many times have you heard like a young, a young mind talking to somebody who's much older and wiser and there's, oh, you have no idea what you're talking about. This just came out this and that. And then the old wise person goes like, listen.
Starting point is 00:34:27 And the 16 multiple versions of this. 16 multiple versions of this. 16 multiple versions of this. This is not the first time that we've seen something like this. It's all repeated formulas. So, right. So, I mean, do you think that has a lot to do with this?
Starting point is 00:34:39 That is good. This is a kid, you get, because I remember being that kid too, like you think about your parent and like, oh, they have no idea. they're still stuck in the, you know, back in the 70s. Yeah, like the term boomers. Oh, you're a boomer.
Starting point is 00:34:50 Like my son will say that to me sometimes, I'm like, you have no idea. I'm not a boomer, which is ridiculous, but you have no idea. You know what I think about, I think about myself now, at my age, and then I think just 10 years ago, just 10 years ago, how much more I know about things. And now it makes me realize that I know where near
Starting point is 00:35:08 where I'm gonna be in another 10 years. So you start to talk, now this isn't true for all people who are older than you, of course. But oftentimes you talk to people who are 60, 70, 80, 90. Like I said down on my grandparents, and you ask them about certain things and they've been on earth more than twice as long as you. They probably know some stuff that you don't know.
Starting point is 00:35:31 And so it's a good idea to take their advice. So it's very interesting to see a study actually show like measure, like these things actually improve with age, kinda cool, you know, to look forward to, you know, like Doug, that's why Doug's, yeah, Doug's opinions are so important. Doug's a shark, you know, like Doug, that's why Doug's, yeah. Doug's opinions are so important. Doug's so sharp.
Starting point is 00:35:47 Yeah, like, you know, he used to babysit Moses. So he knows lots of things from fucking the day. Hey, Justin, did you see the, did you see the high school that got in trouble for like falsifying their records or some of that so they could get on ESPN? That was trending right now. Bishop, forget the name of the school,
Starting point is 00:36:03 I had it written down, but yeah, somebody sent that. I think Marlon actually sent me that article. And a lot of the guys on the team were actually in Juco. And they actually, they like formed this fake high school in order to get on some kind of like ESPN sponsored event where it's a national TV national TV. National TV. Yeah. Who organized?
Starting point is 00:36:26 Whole high school's fake. Who organized this like a bunch of it? Oh, the whole high school's even fake? Yes. Oh, I didn't. Yeah, they showed the location and it was just some random building. And so anyway, there's like a lot coming out.
Starting point is 00:36:37 They're still learning information on it, but everybody's like, there needs to be a documentary on this. This is ridiculous. This sounds like some kind of wacky movie. Right, and the reason why they found out, because they got skunked, like 58 to zero, and they were like, how was this team with supposedly all these,
Starting point is 00:36:53 they were making claims that they have like four athletes that are gonna go pro. Bishop Sikamor. And it's a made up school completely. Yeah, made up. Oh shit, I didn't even realize that. You know what this highlights to me is the whoever's televising this shit, like they're not checking anything.
Starting point is 00:37:10 Obviously. Yeah, also like, sign me up, man. You know, playing against a much of high school kids, that'd be fun. Yeah. Let's make up our own high school for us. Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah, a bunch of 40 year olds had dropped that high school,
Starting point is 00:37:25 but we're playing football again. We're first place. Now, I sent you guys over. That's hard, right guys? I think it was ESPN that did a post on Jake Paul, supposedly retiring from boxing already. I saw that. He said that?
Starting point is 00:37:36 I don't know. So on the score. It was on score and ESPN, so they put it out there. I right away started to try and fact check. I mean, I imagine if ESPN and score put it out, it's I would have think that it's somewhat legit. Right. And so, but I started looking for I went on his page. I started I was Googling, looking to see it for statements from him. I couldn't find it to verify that. But I tell you, I told you guys when we were talking that it was rattled. He did. And then after the fight when they
Starting point is 00:38:02 were, they were talking to each other and Woodley want was trying it. Let's go again, let's go again. And he was real hesitant and I think he was real hesitant because I think that was close for him. Now of course the card showed that he won, you know, but it was a split decision and I think he got rocked and I think he got real close to potentially losing that for. Or this media genius, which he's turning out to be, this is part of his like hyping up the next. I wouldn't. This may be the last fight that he does. He almost retired. I mean, hey, please don't retire. You're under feet. We need to see more of you.
Starting point is 00:38:38 Yes. Think about it. This kid so far has really squeezed out every bit of juice out of this lemon. So far has really squeezed out every bit of juice out of this lemon. And he's gonna keep doing it. And it's really solid. The ball of theory, so. Totally. Totally. I mean, it was a hammer his brother that was filming themselves taunting the other fighter, just showing, was it them that was doing that?
Starting point is 00:38:59 They were driving up and they went shit after that. Yeah, well, when he was trying to get Connor McGregor to sign on, he harassed him and then he was going up and he went shit after that. Yeah, well, when he was trying to get Conor McGregor to sign on, like he harassed him and then his trainer. And then I think that was the next one. He was looking at his eyes. He's on his list. I can't think of that kid's name right now. By the way, that guy is blowing up to like over a million followers himself.
Starting point is 00:39:16 Oh, good. Yeah, Conor McGregor's boxing coach, I believe it's his boxing coach. I think it's his, or Chichichu. Chichichu, yeah. Yeah, okay. It's one of his coaches and Dylan, something Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, something maybe Andrew can help me out here. Yeah. Dylan Davis, Dylan,
Starting point is 00:39:31 what's the matter, Dylan, pushing too many pens? What's the amount of moving that from? Yeah. But he's been trolling Jake like crazy. Now, ever since then, like, I looked, I looked on his Instagram to the day and like, I would say the last, you know, 12, the last 15 posts is like jabs at Jake Paul. You know what? Try everybody wants to make the money. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:49 I fog in the ring with Jake Paul too. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna make a million, million to 10 million dollars. Like these guys are making so much money off of me. You know what? I'm sure I'm gonna annoy a lot of, or piss off a lot of people.
Starting point is 00:39:58 But you know what this highlights? This highlights the difference between swinging and throwing punch, dillist dance, dillist dance. It's close. This highlights the difference between swinging and throwing punch at the deal is that Dylan Dennis was close. This highlights the difference between standing up and trying to throw punches with someone and getting on the ground and trying to outgrapal them because he would never in a million years
Starting point is 00:40:18 when a grappling match against a normal decent jujitsu guy because on the ground, there is no lucky submission. You get your ass in hand on school. Well, even to that point, and I totally agree with you, if he were to actually fight just an OK legit boxer, I think he would get his ass kicked. And that was highlighted in this fight.
Starting point is 00:40:38 Yes, I think Woodley actually almost had a chance just because he's got decent hands. He's smart, he had a game plan, like, and like he came in shape, like, and he gave him a run for his money. Let me give you, let me take it a step further. However good Woodley is at boxing, you take an equivalent Jiu-Jitsu guys.
Starting point is 00:40:55 However good Woodley is in boxing, you get a Jiu-Jitsu guy with school, Paul, on the ground all day long. Yeah. Because on the ground, you're like, you can be a lion, but you're in the ocean. You don't know how to swim and these guys are going to, and I've seen it. I've seen, you know, 120 pound guys just fucking play with 200 pound guys. I agree.
Starting point is 00:41:15 I agree. But he has been training that at all. But I think that translates even to boxing. I think that he's in a whole nother, he's in real boxers that have been boxing for 10, 15, 20 years of their lives. Even if we none of us know their names, would still whoop the shit out of them because it's, he's in a whole nother class, dude.
Starting point is 00:41:32 Yeah, yeah. It's, they're not, and that was, that's what I saw from this fight. I mean, if he's beating up YouTubers and basketball players, you know, if you're comparing him to those guys, like, okay, the kid can throw some hands, you know, so he's a tough kid, he's an athlete, like, you know, and don't wanna take the credit from him, but you put him in a ring with a real boxer
Starting point is 00:41:49 and he's gonna give fuck. Well, I mean, of course, anything, if you practice and train and fight at it, you're gonna, I remember, I've talked about this guy before, who was a 77 year old man, who was a boxer back in the day, he was my client, and every once in a while, he'd fuck around with me, and he hit back in the day, he was my client, and every once in a while he'd fuck around with me, and he hit me in my shoulder.
Starting point is 00:42:07 And I mean, he was like, he wasn't trying to hit me hard, but this old guy, I was like, holy shit, his hands were so heavy because he knew how to punch, and he would just fuck around, like beep, beep, you know, hit me in my shoulder, I was like, oh my God, this grandpa could knock me out. If you wanted to. I feel like somebody is gonna create a league
Starting point is 00:42:27 that is specific to these types of fights. I feel like that's the move, or someone like Showtime has like real fights and then undercard is always has like, that'll happen. Because that's a pretty smart move right there. Yes, Japan would be smart. Japan's already shown that that market works.
Starting point is 00:42:45 So Japan has, yeah, they've had a lot of these weird exhibition match kind of fights. Yeah, so they'll have like a giant, like a guy who's like seven foot and huge against a little, you know, chuto champion and then they'll have him fight or a sumo wrestler against a, you know, well, I mean, that's so, you have even started. There's so many mismatches in the beginning
Starting point is 00:43:04 because they're like kind of Soaring it out like which styles gonna win out over this when's the last time you guys watch some of those original UFC regional cage fighting dude so awesome. Oh, bro. There was I can't remember his name. Damn it I can't remember his name black dude big muscles. Yeah, he was an arm wrestling champion His first you know I'm talking about right and then he got like really his punch-drunk later on. But anyway, I can't remember his name, but his first fight, he comes out, and the guy tries to take him down
Starting point is 00:43:31 and he gets him in this weird crucifix position. So he's underneath the guy, he's got one arm tied up with legs, one arm tied up with his arms. He's sitting there for a second, and then- There's a bob something. No, not Bob Sap. Not Bob Sap.
Starting point is 00:43:41 I'll figure it out. And then he realizes like, oh, I can elbow this guy. And just, and it was like, I couldn't believe how brutal it was. I'll remember his name. I know who you're talking about. I can't think of his name though. Yeah, I know.
Starting point is 00:43:55 Brutal. Brutal. Ken Shamrock, Frank Shamrock days. Oh, yeah, back of most days. Oh my God. Those were good. Anyway, so I'm excited for dinner time. Are you guys doing the pork chops yet from Butcherbox? Have you guys had those yet? I've told you every time. I know. I'm so annoyed those days. Oh my God, those were good. Anyway, so I'm excited for dinner time. Are you guys doing the pork chops yet from Butcherbox?
Starting point is 00:44:06 Have you guys had those yet? I've told you every time. I know. I'm so annoyed with you both. I know what it is, because I'm so bad about, I have my box set. Dude, it's set on the thing. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:44:14 I'm telling you right now, I've been eating all of their bacon. I'll do it, though, because I'm using it. Pork chops, they're like this big. They have a nice layer of fat on them. And what Jessica does is she takes butter. Do you do like a maple glaze? Oh, okay. Yeah, they have a maple glaze. Oh, them and what Jessica does is she she takes butter like a maple glaze Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, she's oh whatever, you know But she does butter and a couple other things and she makes it and then she does she sears it in like a cast iron puts it in the oven And then you put this. Oh my gosh, just like that, huh? It's so she's on the cast iron the whole time
Starting point is 00:44:39 She just sears and then bakes maybe she does keep it in I don't know now. Yeah, but you wouldn't have to cook it very long on the cast iron. They're like that big. Oh, they're like that thick. Bro, they're like this thick and they're like this big. Oh. And they're incredible. And I'm not a pork guy.
Starting point is 00:44:53 Well, I mean, that was the thing I didn't realize was the difference of the heritage pork. I just assumed because it was healthier that it wouldn't taste as fatty and as good as like if it was grain fed and stuff like that, like comparing this Oh normal beef is bland. Yeah compared to yeah, I mean I noticed just in the bacon I told you guys that the last time we had a butcher boss commercial I was talking about how we had one
Starting point is 00:45:14 weekend when we had bacon and I didn't I didn't say nothing about it and think about it and then the next weekend Katrina made again. I'm like, why is the bacon so good today? And she's like, that's because this is butcher box I'm like damn, I don't realize it until you do something like that where you compare them back to back. Oh, I dare anybody watching this, compare it. It's way more flavorful. And I'm not a, I hate pork normally. But now this is like a regular in my box.
Starting point is 00:45:38 Speaking of sponsors, Felix Gray, right? Another company we work with, they make blue light blocking glasses, they came out with a new type of lens for kids, was it? Oh, is it for just kids? It did, it was for everybody. It's for everybody, yes. Because I thought you would jump all over, because you used to talk about the ampere. Because we used to talk about it just being clear, which they've had forever, which was great,
Starting point is 00:45:58 because you know, so they have the amber version now, which is just slightly sort of colored, but it's not like the super orange, like, basically what it is, is it's stronger, stronger, probably more for nighttime. Yeah, but I don't know about you guys, but so I have the daytime and nighttime ones, and I can tell a significant difference between the daytime and the nighttime. Oh yeah, you get tired. Like, yeah, that's exactly, so what I'll do if I'm like, if I am working, but I'm on my computer on my phone and son is down and I don't wanna go to sleep and I wanna stay up and I wanna work
Starting point is 00:46:30 and I don't need to go to bed earlier. So when I, I'll put the daytime ones on. And what I feel like it what it does is the phone or the computer, it doesn't over stimulate me. It just feels like I'm not on the computer. Yeah, so you don't get the headaches, you don't get the, you don't get your eyes on what.
Starting point is 00:46:44 I feel totally fine. And then when I wanna to go to bed, I easily go right to sleep and I have no problem. If I put the nighttime ones on at night, like on the, 30 minutes, I'm yawning. Like I'll be on the computer, what, and I'm like, I'm totally falling asleep. So I already noticed a huge difference.
Starting point is 00:46:58 So you're trying to tell me that these amber ones are gonna be like another level of the night. Like stronger. Wow. Yeah, even stronger. And by the way, if you've never tried this before, you don't even have to, you can test this out without glasses. What you do is, I don't know, two hours before bed,
Starting point is 00:47:13 turn off all the lights and use candlelight and tell me that you don't start yawning and get sleepy about within 45 minutes or so. Not orange glow. It's just your brain. I feel like it shuts off. This reminds me though of one of those things that's really hard. within 45 minutes or so. That orange glow. It's just your brain. I feel like it shuts off. It's time to go to sleep. This reminds me though of one of those things
Starting point is 00:47:26 that's really hard. It's like when you're with a client and you're trying to teach them to be able to look at other things besides the scale, in their reflection. They don't pay attention. They don't, you know? So it's one of those things I feel like you have to do for a while
Starting point is 00:47:40 to really start to connect the dots because you're just not used to paying attention to. How many people really pay attention to their nighttime routine before they go to bed? And then you're just not used to paying attention. So how many people really pay attention to their nighttime routine before they go to bed? And then you give them these Felix Gray glasses and they're like, oh, I didn't feel anything. I didn't know anything. It's like, well, first of all,
Starting point is 00:47:54 you probably have never even been paying attention. So you get to start with that. So I feel like you have to first pay, start paying attention to your patterns and your behaviors and your sleep and things like that. First, to get an idea of, okay, this is how long it takes me to fall asleep. This is how rested I feel when I get up. Like, oh, if I get on the computer or the phone, it's 9 o'clock at night. What does that do for falling
Starting point is 00:48:15 asleep? You've got to start to like really watch that stuff. Then you do something and you introduce those glasses. And then I feel like it's very obvious. But I have to teach clients to do that. So I have to credit my wife because she did this anyway without glasses. And then I feel like it's very obvious. But I have to teach clients to do that. So I have to credit my wife because she did this anyway without glasses. She's very much like at a certain time we dim the lights. We start to talk quieter. Used to annoy me because I come from a very loud family and we're loud as fuck up until the second.
Starting point is 00:48:38 We need to go to bed. So I was like, this is ridiculous. But now that we've been together for a while, I notice a huge difference. Then we go to my parents' house and all the lights are full blast. Everybody's yelling, it's 9, 10 o'clock at night and I'm like, oh, I can feel that this is not right.
Starting point is 00:48:53 I'm supposed to settle myself down. So you go into my house and past 7 PM, 6 PM, 7 PM, the lights are dim, everything gets darker, we talk a little softer. And it makes a tremendous difference in your sleep quality. You would throw a blue light blocking glasses on that, and you're gonna sleep like a baby.
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Starting point is 00:49:32 Again, it's the final hours. All right. Enjoy the rest of the show. First question is from ZW Spivey. What is the best way to increase grip strength? Hmm. Grip strength. We get a lot of questions on grip strength. Mm. Grip strength. We get a lot of questions on grip strength
Starting point is 00:49:45 and I do, and I made this comment before but I do think it's important. Did you do a YouTube video on this? I did and I put some like forearm developing exercises on there, but here's something, this is something that's very important to consider, okay? Your hands literally connect you to everything that you're doing
Starting point is 00:50:03 and they're, we evolved to have very intricate Fingers like we could place them well, but also strong hands Literally if your hands aren't strong enough to support the weight that you could lift with your shoulders and your back and your legs And you can't lift that weight what's happened is Art we barely ever use our hands in fact, it was a study done with college aged males. They tested their grip strength and it was recent. It was like within the last five years
Starting point is 00:50:32 and they found that their grip strength was as good as a 60 year olds in the 1980s. Like, we just don't do anything with our hands and now this has far reaching effects on the body. It affects the way that your shoulders move. Of course, affects your workouts. It affects wrist health. And so it's definitely something
Starting point is 00:50:50 that's important to focus on. So if you're working out and you can't hold on to the barbell or the dumbbells, you find your hands fatigue and you're not like some champion power lifter who's lifting ungodly amounts of weight. This is something you should focus on. One of the best things you could do to improve your grip strength is to do
Starting point is 00:51:08 a little bit of grip work every single day. So this is an old exercise device. It's probably one of the first pieces of exercise equipment that was ever sold. It's those old school hand grippers that you can, you know, spring loaded one. A spring loaded one. And now careful because you can overdo this,
Starting point is 00:51:24 but literally at your desk have it there, and every hour, mess around with it for five minutes and then put it down. That's it. Don't go to failure. You're just working the hands a little bit, and your grip strength will go through the roof. Well, I mean, what are you guys' thoughts?
Starting point is 00:51:38 Because this person, the rest of the question, Doug didn't say, was struggling with grip on progressing on barbell rows. What are your thoughts of tools like the fat grips and this person using the fat grips progressing on barbell rows. What are your thoughts of tools like the fat grips and this person using the fat grips to do barbell rows? Well, they'll have to use way less weight because initially yes. I think they, I mean, they could just focus on the regular bar to get their hands stronger. If it's stopping them from progressing, I mean, you're going to have to do some stuff to get
Starting point is 00:52:03 your grip stronger or just be super patient because eventually it'll catch up. I like farmer carries, doing things like that to do it. I mean, I like the squeezing and contracting, and I think that's gonna help, but I feel like something that is more closely related to what they are trying to, trying, like it's for barbell rows, right?
Starting point is 00:52:23 So doing anything but that is gonna not give you as good of an adaptation as doing that exercise. So I would do things like just get no wrist wraps on heavy barbell rows and or playing with things like fat grips on that and doing the rows. Here's an old school exercise. This is back when newspapers existed. So you might be able to use something else,
Starting point is 00:52:43 but you take a big sheet of newspaper. I guess you could do this with butcher paper. And with one hand, you start at the corner and you crumple it up little by little until you get the whole thing into a ball. It's actually a very good hand exercise. And then in the gym, of course, you can hold on to things for time.
Starting point is 00:53:00 That's more of an isometric thing. But don't forget that because it's isometric, the strength tends to be, I mean, there's definitely, it definitely radiates out, but most of strength is in that position, right? So work on gripping things that are fatter, like you said, fat grips or pinch grip, so you can hold plates with your hands like this,
Starting point is 00:53:17 like this, one finger at a time, if you really wanna get. Well, that's why I like going this direction because it is an isometric contraction problem here. If you're doing barbell rows and you can't hold onto the barbell, it's you be able to hold in that, your hands are an isometric position, you're rowing. So the rest of your body's not, but your hands are.
Starting point is 00:53:38 And so doing things in the, so hangs, hanging with your body weight on a pull-up bar, I think would help. I think the fat grips on the barbell would work. And then of course just getting, getting good at it. It's a frequency and volume of holding heavy things. I mean, it's like to your point of a farmer walk. So that was a big game changer for me. Just holding weight for longer periods of time.
Starting point is 00:53:59 Because until you don't really realize that you're holding it for a longer period of time, you're just trying to get to so many yards of carrying these objects. So at least it takes kind of the focus away from it. But yeah, like it just exposing your hands to more different types of textures. And even like the, well like we have the rice bucket stuff
Starting point is 00:54:21 like in our OCR program. It's like things like that are, things you don't normally do. And if that's really a focus of yours, expose just more dexterity and more function out of your fingers, which then helps with the overall hand strength, which then goes up to your grip and your wrist strength and everything else.
Starting point is 00:54:41 It's just a matter of contracting and moving your fingers and your hands and picking things up. Yeah, and of course, the forearm, flexors and extenders are kind of connected to that, right? So there's exercises that'll flex, extend, but then don't forget lateral. A lot of people forget that this also is important. Flexishing right there.
Starting point is 00:55:00 Yeah, so I used to get a dumbbell, like you do the ones that you can load with weight, the old school one, so you can load weight or whatever, and I'll I'll I used to get a like a dumbbell like you know the ones that you can load with weight the old school one So you can load weight or whatever and I would hold one end and I would load it with a tiny bit of weight on one end So it was offset and then I do this exercise here or hold a bit here and go in this direction Yeah, that's Indian clubs Indian sometimes too just because yeah, you have like that long lever To account for yeah, that being said, all these exercises we're talking about right now, like for forums and trying to develop for your grip strength. The greatest gains I ever had on my grip strength came way later when I started just heavy
Starting point is 00:55:36 ass dead left-wing and farmer carries. Totally. And I've done, I remember risk curls andks, curls, and doing all the different moves to develop my forms, to try and work on my grip strength. Nothing gave me better grip strength than actually just getting stronger at deadlifting, stronger at former carries. That brought it up more than anything.
Starting point is 00:55:58 And a stronger grip for people listening or watching who are like, I'm okay, right? What's the benefit? Your presses, your rows, your curls, your extensions, when your hands feel strong, you're so much more connected to the exercise and you get better activation up the kinetic chain. So they find, for example, that wearing wrist straps,
Starting point is 00:56:19 which tends to make us use a weaker grip, changes the activation up in the neck and in the shoulder. So having a stronger grip, even on presses, even exercise you don't think you need to have a strong grip. When your grip is like, try this. Next time you bench press, try putting wrist support on and wrist wraps on around the bar. And all of a sudden you can lift more weight.
Starting point is 00:56:39 Like, how is that possible? It's simulating a stronger grip. So strengthen your grip and don't be surprised if you don't see all your lifts improve as a result. Next question is from Sarah Holly MN. I sweat a lot during a workout. Others not so much. Why is that? Is my body more efficient at cooling down
Starting point is 00:56:57 or why am I prone to sweating so much? A lot of people connect sweating a lot with a good workout. I know, with burning fat and calories. Yeah, and this is mostly a genetic thing. It doesn't mean that like you can't be an indicator that maybe you're working harder than you. Have you guys heard of a client like that
Starting point is 00:57:11 that just like profusely sweat and they would like apologize all the time. I'm like, it's just, I've had both extremes. Yeah, I've had, I've had one where they're like that, like a puddle underneath them. And then I've had others where I could destroy him or her and they just, you know,, like one little sweat lead. Yeah, like not at all.
Starting point is 00:57:29 So it's mostly genetic. I actually trained somebody that didn't sweat. And I don't mean like, oh, I don't sweat. Like they literally had a medical condition where they didn't sweat. And we had to be, I had to work closely with the doctor to, no, they're bought, they could, it's actually quite dangerous. And so I had to work with with the doctor. He gave them too hot. No, they're bought, it's actually quite dangerous.
Starting point is 00:57:46 And so I had to work with their doctor and talk about how to train them. And the workouts were, they'd be very careful because they didn't sweat, their body could overheat very quickly and they could develop problems. Are you familiar with any research that it shows that there's any benefits to somebody who does sweat really well other than what your time of life is as far as danger?
Starting point is 00:58:04 Yeah, actually. So the heating up of the body and your body cooling itself off with sweat is a good indicator that you're hydrated and also exercises for lack of a better term, the muscle of your body dealing with changes in temperature. So it's like, why you get benefit of going to the sauna, right, it's your body acclimating to temperature. And so if you use a sauna regularly,
Starting point is 00:58:25 you'll find that your heat tolerance improves over time. One of the things I used to tell my clients when I would notice they weren't sweating as much or this is good for trainers, you'll see your client sweating weird. And what I mean by that is they're dry everywhere except they sweat in one spot. Sometimes that means they're they need water.
Starting point is 00:58:44 So their body is, they're not hydrated and not drinking enough water. And so they they're they're they need water. So their body is they're not hydrated and not drinking enough water and so they have these kind of patches of sweat. Oh interesting that's what that means. Sometimes. So what I would do with these clients is I would say oh you need to drink more water then they drink more water and they feel a lot better and then I would notice more uniform sweat. What is that? Because that's the only place the the body is found water and so it's it's like the most important place that they need to sort of found water. And so it's, it's like, it's like, it's convenient for that one. That's like the most important place that they need to sort of cool down. Yeah, your body's conserving this fluid.
Starting point is 00:59:10 And so it's like, okay, we can't sweat everywhere. Oh, interesting. Yeah, so I would increase their water intake and they would notice improvements in performance. But that being said, if let's say you're well hydrated, you have a good diet, you're working, your workout programming is good. You know, sweat a lot, not sweat a lot,
Starting point is 00:59:29 doesn't really, doesn't really mean much at all. I mean, when I'm doing a strength focused workout with long rest periods, I'm not sweating that much. When I'm doing super sets, I sweat a lot. Both are perfect. I sweat very often, yeah, unless it is. Like it's a very high intensity cardio based workout. Otherwise, any strength, I just barely sweat.
Starting point is 00:59:49 Oh, I sweat pretty easy. I have to do a very low volume, slow, long rest period type of workout to not sweat. Is that why you shower all the time? Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that's why it's hard for me to train hard in the morning here, and then podcast because I don't, you just continue sweating? Yeah, well, yeah, I'm hot and then I'm all sticky and I don't like that. Next question is from one grumpy economist. What is more taxing on the nervous system?
Starting point is 01:00:14 High reps with lower weight or low reps with higher weight? Oh, this is a good question. Yeah, this is good. This is a really good question because it depends as you do. It does, right right on the total volume But I have to say if we have to pick one heavyweight. Yeah, you know what that's it's if that can be true sometimes But think about it like what would hammer you more? Like you know a set of max out single or one set of like 30 reps on a squad
Starting point is 01:00:41 Are we talking about the feeling of being fried like after you're done? Yeah. Yeah. High reps will do that, too, you want to? Yeah, I mean, yeah, after you're done, the amount of voice. Sometimes I just want to go take a nap because it just, you know, depending on how much you did, it's like, whoa, it adds up later. Well, you could also make the case that it's going to be most taxing on the one that you don't do.
Starting point is 01:01:03 Yeah. So if you're, because I've been super conditioned, I've met, I've had clients who are the, you know, CrossFit or the Orange Theory Circuit, and then I could superset them, no rest periods for a whole hour, and they feel great after to that. I could think that same person,
Starting point is 01:01:18 and do some five by fives, or some real heavy, and they are like the gas, they're messed up the next day, they're sore shit for next two or three days. So it really has to do with what you're already adapted to really well. And then the opposite is probably gonna be more taxing
Starting point is 01:01:35 on the scene because your CNS adapts also. So if you, whatever you're doing, and if you're getting good and efficient at it, it's not gonna be so taxing on the body when you do it again versus doing something that is totally different than what you ever do. It's gonna tax the balance. You used to lift in really heavy weight.
Starting point is 01:01:52 Yeah, that's gonna be real demanding. Right, you need to allocate a lot of energy in that direction. I think intensity makes a big difference here. Like, I can do low reps at moderate intensity and I can do higher reps at moderate intensity. Right. And either one of them will tax me.
Starting point is 01:02:04 If I do either one to failure, there's a huge difference in how my body feels. But I completely agree. It depends on which one you're used to and you move away from what you're used to. And it's very taxing on the body. Your body's just not used to that those types of... Which is why when you transition like that,
Starting point is 01:02:23 this goes back to the thing I always talking about doing as little as possible to list the most amount of options. Which is why when you transition like that, this goes back to the thing I always talking about doing as little as possible to elicit the most amount of change. It's like if you make a switch from one modality to another, like that's when you've got to scale way back, you can't take the same approach. If you've been training circuit training, a hardcore for six months, years, and you're really good at it,
Starting point is 01:02:43 and then you can bring it to that workout. You don't, and then now, and you start doing five by five type of blocks, you know, strength training. Lower the intensity. Yeah, you got to back way off. You can't take that same mindset now that you've adapted to that way of training and the same in the reverse is true.
Starting point is 01:02:58 Well, I noticed this too, even just like moving recently, right? So I'm doing a lot of like awkward, heavy objects, but lots of isometric contraction for longer periods of time. And it was just like, my whole body was just like, attack, we're done. Tax your CNS, right? I have not, it's not heavier weight than you've ever dealt with,
Starting point is 01:03:15 or you left heavier weight inside the gym, but it's, it's so different to the body and you probably were doing it for an hour or two hours and your butt said, take a professional mover who moves people's houses for a living. It can do three houses can do three houses. Yeah, yeah, it's a piece of cake This is this is no problem. Yeah, that makes it huge different. This is why I know there's a lot of ways to measure You know heart rate variability and this and that I think really just you're proceed You have to you have to kind of be in touch with your body and understand how your body feels. And I can tell when I do a workout, usually after, usually after the workout's done, sometimes
Starting point is 01:03:50 while I'm doing it, like, oh, that was a little too hard. And it could be heavy, it could be light, it depends on how I felt that day or whatever. So that's what's really important is pay attention to those signs. Like, do I feel fried after my workout? Do I feel scatterbrained? Am I exhausted or do I have energy? Am I feeling stiff or do I feel fried after my workout? Do I feel scatterbrained? Am I exhausted or do I have energy? Am I feeling stiff or do I feel loose? Do I have lots of inflammation?
Starting point is 01:04:11 And then the next workout, do I feel like, wow, I'm weaker, wow, I don't have as much stamina. Like those are all signs that whatever you did was probably too much. Next question is from Liam the Kirkbride. What is the most effective way to bulk? And should I track macros or be intuitive? You know, here's the thing with intuitive eating, right?
Starting point is 01:04:31 Intuitive eating means you're in touch with the signals of your body, you're eating kind of what your body needs at any given moment. The direction intuitive eating will bring you is balance. You're gonna be relatively lean, relatively muscular, and strong, fit, and healthy. You wanna go outside of that, right? You wanna get extreme, you wanna get super shredded,
Starting point is 01:04:52 or super big, it's not intuitive. There's nothing intuitive about pushing my body to gain 15 pounds of mass, or to get down to 4% body fat. It's not intuitive because your body is always trying to be healthy and if you're intuitive about it, you're gonna be healthy. You push outside of that, you're probably gonna have to track. I know I do, when I'm trying to bulk, I have to track
Starting point is 01:05:16 because if I do it intuitive, it ain't gonna happen. You can only be intuitive if you've had the history of putting the reps in first and the training behind that. So it's always like, you gotta track to even know what that looks like. Otherwise, it's just a guessing game. So there's not necessarily intuitive, it's just that you're kind of like guessing and feeling your body's signals, which can totally be misleading,
Starting point is 01:05:38 whereas tracking, like at least to understand where your maintenance is. I think that's the very first thing. I remember being so challenged answering this question because when we wrote the Intuitive Guide, we got a bunch of this because we're promoting that. I mean, ideally, I think that's the place to be. You want to get there, I think,
Starting point is 01:05:57 for when we talk about general health, longevity, right? Sustainability. Yeah, we've talked about that as the place to get. You want to get to a place of intuitive eating, intuitive training to where it's not this big stress or something you have to think about all the time in order to do it. But the truth is, if you have very specific goals, like even as long as we've been training, I don't eat intuitively. If I really care about adding 10 pounds of muscle or shredding 10 pounds of fat. And I want to do it as fast and as efficient as possible.
Starting point is 01:06:27 I'm tracking still today. Now does that mean that I couldn't do it intuitively and maybe slowly get there? Well, yeah, I could probably do that. I can intuit. I don't think you'd be able to do it to get down to 5% though. No, you're right.
Starting point is 01:06:39 Because it just is your body saying no. Yeah, well the more extreme the goal is, the more important it becomes to be diligent about your track you because there's less room for air as you scale up or down. Yeah, intuitive could take you from inactive to fit or obese to relatively lean, right? Intuitive is home base.
Starting point is 01:07:01 This is your home base. Now, if your home base is healthy and balanced and you're fit and you can move and you feel good generally, and then you wanna move away from home base and go extreme, extreme is not healthy. It just isn't, like forcing your body to hit ridiculous PRs all the time is not longevity promoting. It's fun and I think that there's something to it with quality of life on that stuff.
Starting point is 01:07:30 But we be lying to ourselves if we said that that was about longevity. Same thing with getting super shredded like is getting down to single-digit body fat percentage. Is that good for longevity? No, no, longevity is higher than that, right? It's not super high, but it's higher than that. You get on stage and you compete,
Starting point is 01:07:49 there's nothing, that doesn't promote longevity. It just looks super shredded. So if you're trying to do it in an intuitive way and you're really intuitive about it and you're honest, your body is saying, no, I don't wanna keep eating 3,500 calories a day or no, I don't want to get down to that leanness. I mean, I know when I get down below 9% body fat or 8% body fat, my intuitive signals
Starting point is 01:08:16 are saying, you need to eat. This is not, you don't want to be here. Well, and I know there's definitely people right now that are listening to like, oh, I have no pie, I eat intuitively and I'm shredded or I can do this. It's like, there's always going to be exciting. And by the way, congratulations, you're a black belt in this. I mean, that's, when you get to a certain level of training, dieting for so long, you get pretty good at being able to adjust a few things
Starting point is 01:08:41 to get your body to respond in the direction that you want to go. I want to add a few pounds of muscle. I know there's a few things I can do right to respond in the direction that you want to go. I want to add a few pounds of muscle. I know there's a few things I can do right now that will instantly do that for me. The same thing goes for going the opposite direction. So it doesn't mean that there's not people that can't move their body weight up or down or get really shredded lean or get really buffed from intuitive eating. It's just, it's way more difficult for the average person. And if you really have a very specific goal and you also wanna do it as quick
Starting point is 01:09:11 and as efficient as possible, you just gotta track. Now to answer the part of the question, that's like what's the most effective way to bulk? Figure out your maintenance calories. So whatever you need to eat to not gain weight and to not lose weight, add about five to 700 calories to that depending on how your body responds.
Starting point is 01:09:30 Make sure you eat about, you know, generally one gram of protein per pound of body weight and depending on your gut health and how you feel, you don't want to go to low carb. And that's it. And that'll be the most effective way, right? You could go a thousand calories or 15-hundred calories over maintenance. You'll gain more weight, but it won't be more muscle. In my experience, it's about five to 700 over. It's kind of the magic sweet spot for most people.
Starting point is 01:09:54 And then, here's the other part of this. If you have a workout, that's not stimulating muscle growth, then it's not going to work. You're just going to gain body fat. So, if you send the right signal, bulking is actually easy. If you're not sending the right signal, bulking can be a real big pain in the ass. So make sure your workout is really effective, really well programmed. And then you add 500 calories to your maintenance and you'll see muscle. My favorite thing to do as far as the workout being effective is when you make this mental
Starting point is 01:10:23 decision, I'm going to switch to a bulk, like the advice I give to clients, this is where I have them switched to another maps program. So whatever they're currently following, it doesn't matter where they're at and I normally will go, okay, we're going to add 500, 700 calories and now we're also going to transition into a different program. Yeah. So a whole new stimulus. Absolutely.
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