Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1664: How to Reduce Cardio Without Gaining Weight, Ways to Shrink an Overdeveloped Body Part, Adjusting Workouts to Accommodate an Unusual Work Schedule & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: October 16, 2021

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions via Zoom. What new supplement is Sal taking? (4:49) The guys break down Olympia weekend 2021. (10:40) Is Tyson Fury the GOAT? (14:44) What day hasn’t been hijacked? (17:00) How the waiting room experiment is an example of ‘woke’ culture today. (21:55) Why you can sell nearly anything if you make it sound good. (25:54) Public Goods has it all! (26:57) Should one compete in bodybuilding? (28:25) Yes, there are now VR strip clubs. (32:43) What is Mind Pump watching? (37:12) The high school football update with Justin. (40:31) Gavin Newsom, what is your desired outcome? (45:47) #Quah question #1 – How do you increase a bariatric patient’s metabolism? (52:59) #Quah question #2 – What program would you recommend for an Olympic weightlifting athlete who is looking to reduce her volume of training without gaining weight? (1:09:19) #Quah question #3 – Is there a way to build muscle and drop body fat while maintaining the same weight? (1:22:12) #Quah question #4 – Any advice on how to adjust my workouts to accommodate an unusual work schedule? (1:28:55) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] October Promotion: MAPS Anabolic and NO BS 6-Pack Formula – Get Both for $59.99!    AGMATINE: Overview, Uses, Side Effects, Precautions Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “MINDPUMP” at checkout** Visit Four Sigmatic for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout Visit Paleo Valley for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “Mindpump15” at checkout for 15% discount** 2021 Mr. Olympia Results: Winners For Each Division Tyson Fury remains heavyweight champion with 11th-round TKO victory over Deontay Wilder Knuckle (2011) - IMDb Brain Games - Conformity Waiting Room - YouTube Doctor Warns Women Not To Do The "Cucumber Cleanse" In Brilliant Viral Post Visit Public Goods for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Receive $15 off your first Public Goods order with NO MINIMUM purchase** Home | Welcome to Faded Barbershop SJ! What it's like to dance at a VR strip club Oats Studios | Netflix Foundation | Apple TV+ Clickbait - Netflix Bad Sport | Netflix Official Site Gavin Newsom signs bill mandating gender-neutral toy aisles for large companies Visit ZBiotics for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Intuitive Nutrition Guide MAPS Aesthetic | Muscle Adaptation Programming System MAPS Fitness Performance | Muscle Adaptation Programming System Rubberbanditz Resistance Band Set Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Tyson Fury (@gypsyking101)  Instagram Vicki Reynolds (@vicki__reynolds)  Instagram Ronnie Coleman (@ronniecoleman8)  Instagram  

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All right, we opened this episode with an intro portion where we're talking about current events and we bring up scientific studies. Today's intro was 45 minutes long. After that, we got to the live questions. Here's what been down in today's episode. We opened up by talking about a supplement that I'm experimenting with, little Agmatine,

slight stimulatory effect, give me a better pump, no affiliation kind of interesting. But then Justin brought up another product from a sponsor that we actually work with, or from one of our sponsors, it's Organifies Red Juice. Now that one I like the most, it's non-stimulant. So if you don't like caffeine, but you want to have something pre-workout

that improves performance, gives you a better pump, that's definitely the way to go. It's we've been using that one. Anurjises. A long time and it's good for you. Go check them out. Head over to organify.com-flour-slash-mime-pump. Use the code MimePump for 20% off.

They also have gold juice that you can drink at night to help you sleep better and green juice to help you with your digestion and give you some of those vegetables that you might not be getting in your diet. Then we talked about the Olympia weekend, who won the Mr. Olympia, who won the Mr. and Mrs. Classic, who won the Physique Competition. So, real good conversation there. We talked about Tyson Fury. Now, regardless, one of the best heavyweights of all time, the goat. The guys failed to wish me happy Columbus Day today, which sparked a fun conversation. We're a saddy.

Then we talked about the waiting room experiment, which is very fascinating. I talked about the cucumber cleanse that women are doing that should not be doing. Don't do this, please. Then we talked about public goods, another one of our sponsors that sells household products of products for your dogs. At the best prices you'll find anywhere and they're very, very environmentally conscious. They sell products in minimal packaging. They give you refills in minimal packaging. They also get rid of all harsh chemicals.

They try to stay very natural. Very, very good company, great products, great prices. Go check them out. Head over to public goods.com, forward slash mine pump and then use the code mine pump at checkout. Then we gave Vicki our barber a shout out, head over to faded barber shop in San Jose, great place to get your hair. In fact, if you watch the best, you'll notice I'll hand some we are. It's because of her. Then we talk about strided glutes. Don't know what that is. You'll learn all about it. You'll know it. You're welcome. Adam brought up VR strip clubs, which is kind of weird. I don't know what he's doing. Then I talked about a series on Netflix

by Oat Studios. If you're into sci-fi weirdness, it's super fun. I am. Just then talked about foundations. Then we talked about clip bait and bad sport, all great shows right now on streaming services. Then there was an update on Justin's football team that he's coaching the high school football team. Then we chanted, let's go Brandon, that's a good chant to say again.

Yeah, it was fun. And then we talked about the new law in California that requires retailers to have a general, gender, neutral, toy section. So they solved all the problems with that. Then we got to the live questions. Here's the first one. First question was from Anna from Maryland. She wants to know how to help her client who was is a bariatric patient. So it's a very challenging situation. We give her some advice. Then we talked to Jackie from Virginia. This is a national Olympic Olympic lifting champion and had some questions on how to continue your training. Now that should not competing anymore. So that's a really fun question because we were talking to an elite athlete. Then we talked to Matt from New York.

This person has lost a lot of weight, but did a lot of running to do it. And now is in a position where it's unsustainable. So wanted some advice. And then the final question was for Zach from Boston. This individual works a crazy shift at work, 28 hour shifts every four days. Wanted some advice on how to work out around that. Also, all months long, Maps and Obolic has been combined with the No BS Six Pack formula and discounted tremendously. So you can get both programs together for $59.99 that saves you over $100.

Great workout programs, great to combine. If you're interested, go check them out. Head over to mapsoctober.com. Again, one more time, mapsoctober.com. Hey, I tried a new supplement again. I keep throwing some. Oh, that's a surprise. I've talked about Agmatine before, have you guys heard of this?

There's no affiliation or anything, but it's... No, I would remember if you actually... So it's in some pretty workout supplements. It's this... Sounds like a terrible like superhero Generic arganine. Yeah, wow close. It's a metabolite of arganine. Okay. Yeah, so it's a neural modulator It decreases depression in some studies it decreases the perception of pain in fact Hmm it helps with with draw from opiates. So they've done studies with people

who take opiates addicted, stop taking them, take agmatine and help them. Increases nitric oxide a lot. So it's one so in terms of animals are in human. Human studies too. So if you want to like get a better pump, then there's almost nothing that I've seen that according to the literature is as good as this, besides pharmaceuticals. Anyway, through a little bit into my pre-workout cocktail and I loved it. Got a great pump and I could tell, it's got a little bit of a stimulant effect,

so I feel like it was, so maybe if someone's a little sensitive to stimulants, but it's not like caffeine or anything like that. Well, that's kind of how I felt about, you know, organifies like the red juice with the beetroot powder or whatever. Like that stuff, like for me is always given like that great energy without the stimulants involved.

It's, I've recommended it multiple players on the team because like, that's a big concern. I like it too. I want the caffeine. Yeah, Agmatine is definitely more of a stimulant than the Redjuice. Oh, it's interesting. Yeah, Redjuice. It's actually a good way to get off stimulants, right? If you're going off stimulants, do the Redjuice for a little while to help with the red juice. The red juice is super sweet. Yeah, red juice. It's actually a good way to get off stimulants, right?

If you're going off stimulants, do the red juice for a little while to help with the side effects. Agmentine is like, it's not like caffeine, not nearly as strong, but it's definitely got some stimulatory effects. And it read, in studies, it shows that it reduces the perception of pain, which is probably why it helps with opiate withdrawal.

But I tell you what, dude, this is the second time using it in before my workout, and holy cow. So how do you stumble across this randomly? Do you have some kind of wheel at home of supplements? Do you want a bunch of forums? That's probably what you're, a bunch of, well, there's a couple different ways. One way is to, I like to go through popular supplement companies and look and see what ingredients they're throwing in there. And then researching every ingredient to see what the deal is.

So that's one way to do it. The other one is to go on to forums. Agmentine is in some pre-workout supplements. And so I wanted to do a little bit more research and buy it by itself to add it to see if I notice a difference. And I did one gram, so 1,000 milligrams, which I think is on the higher end of a dose,

but I mean, I could tell, man. And I got, like I said, I got a great pump. It was double. I think negative you foresee potentially. Yeah, because it's got this kind of neural modulating effects and it's my least emulatory, I could see you building intolerance and then going off and feeling,

but I don't know. There's only my second time using it. Now, how consistent are you with your pre and then going off and feeling, but I don't know. There's only my second time using it. Now, how consistent are you with your pre and post stuff? Like I see you on your day of your life story thing that you do, I see that. And sometimes it's different. Sometimes I see you using forcing mad stuff. Sometimes I see you using the bone broth protein.

Sometimes I see you use an organ phy. I mean, you seem very inconsistent with what you're doing. I'm consistently taking something. Yeah, I know. I got that part, you know. So do you, are you always kind of manipulating and playing? Or do you, oh, so I'm just, so I rotate, I wrote, I wrote, what I wrote. Cortiseps, I'll rotate that in.

Organifies Redjuice, if I'm dropping stimulants, I'll do that. Ashwaganda, I'll rotate that in sometimes. So sometimes, yes, sometimes not. Caffeine is pretty consistent, unless I'm going off of stimulants. Beta, Allen, I, and I'll mix that in there sometimes, and then I'll throw in weird stuff like,

I think you're really mild with the caffeine though, right? Like, you don't do very many milligrams. You're not like Justin and I. No, most I'll take in a day is about 300 milligrams. Really? Most. And that, you'll get that high even though. But that's all day.

I won't do more than that. So I know you guys will typically have, at least a couple doses of that, right? A day? Yeah. Well, Justin's a couple doses of that. I'll normally have one big dose like that, which would be the rock star or a pre workout. So you'll have like five or a group. So if I do, you see me drink a rock star in the morning, I'm not doing a pre workout

later on. But if you don't see me drinking any caffeine in the morning time, you might see me do a pre workout. So I'm probably, I don't think I peak over right now 400. So I'm not that much higher. Yeah, okay. That's actually not bad. Because 220 is a rock star.

Yeah. And I have my cup of coffee, maybe I have two cups of coffee sometimes. So you're talking about C.C. Yeah, so you're probably close to 400? Yeah, so I would say. That's not bad at all. Yeah. Well, no, not that high. No, no. Yeah, so I was about it all. Yeah, literally 250. Yeah, no, no, not that high. No, no, I don't need

a zal. Depends how big the nitro is. Oh, yeah. Yeah, like the armances. Oh, 20. Oh, yeah. You're up there. Yeah, bro, you're up there. You're up there. We're flying, bro. Yeah, maybe Doug can look up. I always think of that little. It looks

nitro. Yeah, I was in a little six ounce eight ounce thing we drink. You're talking about... 20 ounces? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And then probably rocks are like another coffee. So...

You're fucking like a thousand milligrams. You probably filled this bath and coffee. Yeah, he's another coffee. He's a nice guy. He's coffee grounds and he's... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I have a face creamer. Coffee, I drop, just add a little more.

I would love to see the caffeine content of Nitro Grande though, Doug, if you can find it. Yeah, I'll be able to sit up. Speaking of the two of those a day before. You have? I think it's closer to 300 for something that big with a Nitro. Really? Well, let me see. 12 ounce of your regular coffee.

No, that's cold brew. That's cold brew. It's got to be over 300. It's even as strong as it is. It is, because that one 50 for 12. It's all for you just Nitro. Yeah, yeah. There's an actual website that gives you the caffeine. Right there, that's enough for over 100 strong. It is because that one fifty for 12 for you just nitro. Yeah, yeah, there's a actual website that gives you the caffeine Right there. That's enough for me to tell. Yeah, it's like 350 for 12 ounces. Yeah, you're right.

Full broose. 20 something. Yeah, that's a good guess. Wow Yeah, you're fucking around brother. Speaking of the moon speaking of workouts on stuff the Olympia happened recently. Yeah, follow the Follows a strong word. I mean, did you see it? I peaked in a little bit. Yeah, I was just, I like to see what's going on. You know what, okay, so you know, it was really impressed me. So they have now, they have, of course,

the Mr. Olympia, which is like the biggest, most muscular, freaky, whatever looking guys, right? Yeah, big ramy again. Yeah, big, huge, like just crazy looking. And then they have the classic, which now it's like, I don't know, 50 or maybe? Yeah, I think live broadcasting this. Yeah, you could live streaming.

Yeah, you could live streaming. Yeah, you could live streaming. I don't watch it live, but I follow pages and they'll post like what's going on. And the mixture, the mixture Olympia classic. It's a bum. Yeah, Chris bumps that, right? Now, that's supposed to be more of a classic kind of throwback, 80s, maybe 70s kind of look,

maybe a little leaner than that. Great physique. Chris bumps that, great physique, and you know what he does regularly? I know, and I, this is what I'm such a fan of him, right? Because we talk about this all the time, and there's still a lot of these knuckleheads that are in that space that don't deadlift and don't squat.

He's not that guy. He's pulling serious weight. He squats and he has an amazing physique. He actually has probably my favorite physique. I have, and that's not to knock or to say anything like the big robbing those guys or Phil Heath are fucking insane, right? But I never in my life would I ever even want to look that big, right? So he's got a physique, like he's like that, that's like the peak of what I'd

ever want to look like. Same. Yeah. And in what you, he actually incorporated, if I'm not mistaken, deadlifts and squats later to bring up some of his body parts. Oh, I didn't know that. And it made a huge difference in his back. Oh, he would be great talk of teachers because of that. Yeah.

So you know, it's funny. They're, you're right. There's, there's knuckleheads that talk about how, oh, deadlifts don't work the back or they really don't work other body. Dude, some of the most winningest bodybuilders of all time, like Ronnie Coleman, deadlifted. Regularly. And he had the most impressive looking back of all time.

There's plenty of evidence that that exercise is phenomenal for development. I, when I was competing, I completely stopped doing all of their back exercises. That's all I did. And it was the best back I ever brought to stage. They don't give a shit. What anybody says? They're stupid. They're stupid.

If you got someone who's still arguing that to people that deadlifting is not for your back, like, yeah, it's not your right. It's not an isolation exercise. 100% it's not, okay? So there's lots of isolation exercises that are out there for the back that it kicks the shit out of. totally if you get to a place where you're pulling four 500 plus pounds I guarantee you have a sick back show show me somebody who deadlifts 500 pounds and does not have a sick back. I have at least a well-developed yes all of them. Yeah, you have to I know it's ridiculous

You see that one guy's flare though I have to. I know, that's ridiculous. You see that one guy's flare though. Stupid. I know he's like this thing. He's like this thing. He turned around. He's awesome.

He's trying to side bust this conversation. I don't know what to say, yes. I'm trying to chime in here. But if Justin was undercover, you went to his garage. He's like his room. He's got an analyst. He's like Teardrop Quad. I actually didn't see much though, other than that.

How are we doing? Are you at placed eight? Oh, he looked great. I love placed eight? Oh, he look great. I love are you. Oh, he does look. He looks really good, dude. I just got a can't, I mean, talk about. He's on like his fifth appearance.

I think at Olympia. It's so time consuming. Oh, it was just, yeah, that's all day. Yeah, all the time. Not the training. That's like a couple hours a day. It's the diet. Oh my, I remember when you were doing it.

It was what a pain the ass you were. Everything you had to eat every day is perfect. day, it's the diet. Oh my, I remember when you were doing it, what a pain in the ass you were. Every day is perfect. Yeah, it's particularly. You know what's funny, you say, you just reminded me of that when we were talking about leaving right now, and you're like, we're gonna eat, I'm like, bro, you just ate right now. And I can only get so mad because I remember being

that asshole where it's just like, all every time we eat, and when it talks about doing anything, I'm like, whoa, where are we going? We're mixing it up. We're mixing it up. We're mixing it up. We're mixing it hold on, let me, let me eat. I gotta eat. No, you're mixing it up.

I enjoy eating for the social aspect. I do. Try to be social. I'm gonna hang out with you guys. We're trying to hit the road right now. You're like, we're not trying to sit down and be social for an hour. We're gonna get out of here with you.

You're always in a race. You're gonna get there before the time. There's no time. Cause I'm driving. I don't want to sit in traffic. That's what I'm talking to the whole time. Both tell me. I bet neither one of you, I know you didn't wash this.

Probably you not either, and I know you didn't either. What? The Tyson Fury, sort of Fury while they're fight. I just wanted to see the knockout. I wanted to watch the end. Best boxing fight ever seen in my life. That's what I heard, dude. By the way, in my life.

You like? Yes. By the way, Tyson Fury, an example that you don't need to look aesthetic like a crazy physique to be a good fighter. You know what I mean? The guy looks like a so many examples. Great to suffer, bro. He's, I mean, I think this solidified him as greatest all time and a lot of people are

going to forget about that because Muhammad Ali's right there too. Right. That's how dominant he is. How big is he? Is he a huge guy though? Oh, bro. He's 280, between 260 and 280, I can't remember what he was. You're kidding.

So both of you guys have like knockout powers. Oh, you're using the oldest starch. When, and I would like to see this stat too, because I don't know what, I don't think they talked about this, but maybe Doug's looked us up. I don't know if you know what to search. Okay, five knock downs in a heavyweight fight

that goes to the 11th round with a knockout in the 11th round. Just imagine that first time. That doesn't happen. Two heavyweight fight that goes to the 11th round with a knockout in the left round. Just imagine that first. That doesn't happen. Two heavyweight guys with knockout and the both times accounts were 7 to 9. Yeah, you don't, if you get knocked down once, it's usually it. Oh my God, bro, it was so really such a good fight. Now, where's he from?

I'm Fury. Is he American? No, no, no, no. He's from the UK or? Yes. Fury, is he American? No, no, no, no, he's from the UK or, yeah, I thought he was part of like kind of the carnival, like a, Yeah, Gypsy King, let's say Gypsy King, yeah.

They call him Gypsy King, yeah. Do you know that fighting is a big part of that culture? Oh, yes, there's a documentary. There's a documentary about that, yeah, Bear Nuckle, how they settle their differences. Still one of my favorite documentaries all the time, it's called Nuckle. I haven't even seen it, have you?

You showed me, I saw clips, but can I just tell you that you would fall in love with that? Of course. You would love it so much. It's not even funny. I'm so surprised you haven't seen it. Like, you know, you can't sort of feel as attachment towards Italian culture stuff.

Like to me, that's like, you know, between Scottish and Irish kind of folklore, I'm like only. Well, I just love the way that they, I mean, I love seeing how there's always honor and rules that are around this very violent way of handling, you know, situation. Yeah, they're blue by a code.

Yes, yeah, it's very interesting. I love that. Anyway, you guys didn't wish me a happy Columbus day, so I'll feel a little offended. I said, Columbus, Salami, you know. Is that why there wasn't traffic today? Get A. Oh, I was like, man, I thought for sure

it was gonna be late today. So I know this will probably air past Columbus Day, but I can't just tell you right now that Columbus Day has become the day where you could just talk shit about the nice. What happened to good hijack? Is that true? Is that true?

Okay. What does that have to do with, because people are like, we need to like, not celebrate Columbus Day, because you came here and killed all these people. What does that have to do with because it be every people are like we needed like not celebrate Columbus day Because he came here and killed all these people What is that to do with Italians because Columbus Christopher Columbus I didn't even know he was a spaniard wasn't he representing I guess he's representing. Oh, I didn't know that you don't know a tie-ins Celebrate Columbus day in no I didn't realize that he was a tower. He's he's the Spanish

Technically, I know technically, but here okay. Here's a deal This makes me Confusing right now so he's Spanish, but. I know, technically. But here, okay, here's a deal. This makes me, you guys are confusing me right now. So he's Spanish, but he's recognized by Italians as Italian, and so it's a big deal in a San Italy, and that also caused everyone to talk shit. Yeah, okay. Italian celebrated big time on the East Coast, especially.

You'll see huge Columbus Day. Really? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, it's a big deal. So here's a part that annoys a shit out of me. And yes, I know what Columbus did, I know they came here, I know that there are people that lived here already

and they killed a lot of them. I know that, not saying that's a good thing. But man, if we judge every single historical anyone by that criteria, nobody would be passes the metrics. Nobody does. Nobody, in fact, in addition to, I don't want to encourage any more cancel

culture. I feel like that's just encouraging that. So, well, that's what they're already trying to do. They're trying to cancel Columbus. They're like crazy. I just look into the history of the command cheese. You know, that's pretty inconvenient. Did you see their chance? Do you see their cancel trying to cancel John Grootin right now? Why? Over like an email sent like 10 years ago had nothing to do. Like he was and they're trying to hold like the NFL. They're trying to hold the Raiders accountable to like 10 years ago. Had nothing to do, like he was, and they're trying to hold the NFL,

they're trying to hold the Raiders accountable to hold him accountable. Really? Yeah, he was in some legal dispute or whatever, and he sent an email out, and I think it had some sort of a racist slur in there. There was 10 years old. Not, he was not employed by the NFL at the time,

and he was not with the Raiders, and yet, cancel culture is trying to get the Raiders and the NFL, the hold him accountable for something like that. So here's your, what the fuck? he was not with the Raiders and yet cancel culture is trying to get the Raiders and the NFL to hold him accountable for something like that. So here's your, what the fuck? And I'm ridiculous. So here's the thing that you have to be careful with this new, this way that we cancel people and you know, based off of things 10 years ago,

20 years ago, five years ago, is if a camera followed you around and recorded you for your entire life, nobody, nobody would come out, scot-free. Everybody would be fucked. And this is why you have to be careful. It will be used against you. I promise. And here's some of your evidence. That's what's happened to Hollywood people around. Totally. It's really interesting to watch.

It's so stupid. It's all good to have the turns back on you. Oh yeah. And again, here's your evidence that it's political, this is all like politically driven. You don't see cancel culture directed in particular areas. For example, and I'm just gonna pick the Democrats because they're easy targets here. They were the ones that fought to maintain slavery. They're the party that founded the KKK. They were the ones that fought to

filibuster the civil rights movement. Yeah, but that's a bad example. Why aren't they ever canceled? Yeah, but that's a bad example. You're just took something that you're drawing a conclusion on a, no, no, you're right. I'm using the ridiculousness. No, no, no, but I mean, yeah, but you're also,

you're not using an individual, using a party. Parties aren't canceled. People are being canceled. Oh, they'll cancel people just for affiliation for certain things. There's no rules. They'll cancel a person for that, but you're saying, why is the Democrat party being canceled. Oh, they'll cancel people just for affiliation for certain things. There's no rules. You'll cancel a person for that, but you're saying why is the Democrat party being canceled? I'm just saying it's never put that into the right direction.

It's a bad example. No, they're to use another individual. No, they'll use entire groups. They'll say, oh, you belong to that group over there. Again, of that person, they will demonize that, you're talking about the individual. You're referring to a party being canceled, that's not gonna happen. Well, I mean, that's not a good easy.

Why not? Look at, okay, how about this? Do you know who founded Planned Parenthood? The lady? Margaret Sanger, you know what her history is? Yeah, I know that that. I know that. You Jen X and all that, yeah.

But she's still lauded as this wonderful person. My point is that, not we should go back and cancel these people. My point is that this is a very strange criteria and nobody will ever pass this. So you have to be very careful with it. I think it's super ridiculous. You're not going to go back in history and find anybody. Well, it's promoting the idea that there's like some people are pure. Yeah, like there's this purity out there, which again, this all like boils back down to a religious ideology. So if you're going to talk about what this looks like to me,

Mr. Colt guy, okay? This looks exactly like a cult that now they've found sort of their talking points and their things that they wanna decide that they don't like and they're gonna impose their ideology out there. And it just, it resembles exactly that same sort of blueprint that you're never gonna be good enough and they could find an angle in there

to expose that. I think this, what's that, what was that study I was asking you about the other day that were the people stand up and everybody started standing up? What's the need for that study? Oh, I don't know, I know what you're mean. Could you find that dub because I wanna use that as an example for, because that's, I feel like that's what's going on here.

I feel like, and whether the intentions were good or not with a lot of the things that we started to do, I think everybody's just following suit because they don't want to be the person who doesn't fall in line. It's just falling in line. They don't want to be that person. I mean, you even see that now with all the,

I have a lot of people that are friends of mine that work for like big companies and stuff. And everybody's like following suit with with the pronouns and everything on there. And I don't think it's because necessarily every one of those CEOs maybe believes that or thinks that's the smart, they don't want to be fucked. It's just like, let's just believe. Yeah, it's just because everybody's standing up, we better stand up. You don't say it because I don't want to be the one company who doesn't do that and then

we have some employee come out and then get sued. Maybe. I feel like there's a lot of that going on with this woke culture is that in even, like I said, even if it was rooted and with some good idea, a good idea originally to like help minorities or anything like that or protect people, I think what's happened is that it's just

be turning to this thing where everyone's just, I'm gonna stand up because I don't wanna be the one person who's sitting down. It's called the waiting room experiment. That's the name. It's a better name for us. I thought it was like a, I thought it was like a, it's a social experiment on human behavior.

They've done other ones too where people are in an elevator and they're all facing like sideways and someone walks in the elevator and they're all actors. They'll walk and then they'll naturally face sideways like everybody else. I saw a great, the great waiting room experiment one where like a bell would ding. Yeah, that's awesome. And it was like a big waiting room and there's like, there's like 20 people in there and

there's like one or two actors that are in on it. And they started like the bell would ding before the doctor came out and asked the next patient. And as soon as the bell would ding, they would just stand up. And then what would happen is like, as new people came in, is there a phone going along? Yeah, and then before you know it, like the third person, then the fourth person, then everybody's like standing up,

especially when it got to a place where like, the new person walks in and like, almost all of them already stand, like instantly that person stands up where, and it's neat to watch the progression. The first time that they, the one or two people stand up, people kind of look around like,

oh, are you supposed to do that? And then they are? Yeah, and then after a while, when the majority is doing it, oh, it's the first, right away. They don't even think twice. I saw my first example of this, in terms of my own sphere,

and I didn't really want to bring this up because it was like, oh, here we go, why did this become, you know, portrayed as like necessary, right? So I was at the homecoming for the game and they're announcing the winners for the homecoming court. And first of all, the announcer is just like, this isn't like not gender specific. And I'm like, what are you talking about? Not gender specific. We have a king and a queen. Like this is like a prince and a princess. Like this is already established. Right? And so, no,

now what they decided to do was to basically they had the prince princess, but now there was two kings that got awarded. So and it's not even like, you know, they were pushing it and anything. It's just like they just decided because of like this popular thought that this needed to be, you know, an example of like, hey, we're progressive or whatever the case. Meanwhile, I'm like, why don't you choose two queens because the guys don't give a shit about this to begin with. Like you just took away these poor girls' dreams

of being queen. Why not have both girls be queens, right? It's ridiculous. So what's so progressive about having two kings instead of one king? Because you don't have, it's because then it doesn't matter what gender. Yeah. So now these poor girls, they've been at these fancy dresses. Like they spent a lot more money and guaranteeing on their clothes, you know what I mean? Yeah. And they're just like, yep, sorry, we've got two kings this year. They got to do a little dance together. It's a male conspiracy theory.

We're going to win everything. Yeah, we can't take over. Dude, you want to hear some more? So this is a left, but it's also ridiculousness. So there's this new, have you guys heard of this cucumber cleanse that's going in a little viral that doctors are warning about? So it's a cucumber cleanse and apparently it was going viral for a second and people doctor was like don't don't do this. This is not good for you.

So here's what here's what it is. You take a cucumber, you peel it and you insert it into your vagina and twist it around. Whoa. And you bring it in and out and it cleanses the yoni. I don't know what the hell of a yoni is. I guess that's some. I love cucumber water. Yeah. They suggest that resets your pH balance. So apparently this is a cleanse now. I feel like it's like naming shit you wanna do

to make it sound like, you know what I mean? No, this is a cleanse. I like it. Right. I like to put a cucumber. You like to put a bunch of different water in the cup. Yeah.

So we just wanted to make a video. And this, like, hey, this is a thing now. I feel like you could sell almost anything by making it sound good and you'll have people put things in their body. Just because you did. Yeah, exactly. Speaking of selling and good, that just reminded me of our sponsor public goods. And Doug, I've been meaning to ask you this.

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I love them. I have two of them. One of my house and one of my travel bag. And so I buy the blades, I think it's a buck for like five of them. Wow. So it's very inexpensive. So one of the things is making sure

you're always changing out your blades. Otherwise, I get dull. Right. And at a dollar, you don't have any second. Have you guys ever seen a dog with stubble? I was just thinking about that. No, that's why he's a good person to ask never I always like baby soft skin. So I don't they don't feel like the cheap like no they don't at all big ones

They feel like they're super nice and sharp really. Yeah. Oh, what are you shave? Huh? What are you shave my neck and my line? Okay, yeah Yeah, so I mean obviously Vicki comes in and takes care of us on Mondays or whatever, but shout out to her. She gets us looking good. What's the name of her? Her faded. That's in San Jose. Yeah, East Capital Expressway.

East Capital Expressway. The best place to get lined up or whatever. But yeah. No, I still after about like three or four days, I'll start to get the stubble and then I'll still all line it up. When you were competing, who shaved you? Did Katrina shave your body? Or did you shave myself?

Even you're not. How did you get to the back part? I don't have a lot of hair on my back part. Really? You don't have to shave your ass. It's because you got the big shorts, that's right. Yeah, yeah, you don't have a lot. So you would have shaved legs and then a little hairy on butt?

I don't know, I did never get it like a real good snapshot. I think a reverse career. So how does they decide, because there's like the dudes and thongs, like what's that category? Nobody competes in a thong. Not thongs, you mean like a bikini, a bikini, a bikini briefs, you mean? What the hell? What are you watching?

You're by Shrek Street Glute Gang. You don't find Mr. Olympia and Pornhub Justin. That's not where you've been looking at the wrong rims service for that. It's a bug. You don't have the bikini briefs, are you talking about that? Yeah, I don't know. That's all, that's everybody but Men's Fazik.

Men's Fazik are the ones where shorts, everybody else doesn't bikini briefs. Yeah, classic and your traditional body moves are all on bikinis. He is right though, that the trend started where they would give themselves a wet. Oh yeah, it's just, it's definitely just just x a way. Oh yeah, so they did that and they got popular with Sal's guy talks to Sal talks about him all time was like the first Yeah, was the first guy to ever have like stride and glue to the bumpy

Which means if you get your if you get so I mean it's like one of the fattest parts of your body, right? Right, so if you get your glue sling What you say? Especially Justin. Clap. But that's pH. Yeah. If you show striation in your glutes, you are lean as fuck. So that's, it got popular once bodybuilders and competitors got to the level that they could

get so lean, before that they couldn't get that lean. Yeah. So I'm even really judging on that. It's just like brownie points. Well, I mean, they kind of are right. It's kind of like, look, it's like a way of showing, like, look how lean I am. Okay. Doug, can you pull up, put Ronnie Coleman stride it glutes?

Have you guys? No, no. My search is getting corrupted. No, no, no, no. Okay. Have you guys ever seen, have you ever seen this fucker flex when he was in his prime and he does the stride it glute pose? Can't say that.

It looks freaky. Doug just pulled it up. You got to see this stuff on the screen. It's good. I already see it firsthand on his screen. No, no, it's crazy. Look at that. Wow.

Look at that. What the hell is that? It's powerful. Bro, that's ridiculous. You can shoot a lot of blood out of that thing. Lovely. That's insane looking. It is a muscle, right?

But insane. He should die much more impressive than anybody right now, I feel like. Oh yeah, there's a way. Look at his waist compared to his like, how wide his back is. His waist looks crazy. Yeah, that's a ridiculous amount of muscle. Deadlifting like 800 pounds heading into it. Doesn't even make it hot here

What else you gonna talk about yes, yeah I don't yeah, you know what though. Um, I don't know where they would that's that sport is so extreme I don't know where they would where they would go There's a lot of you there's a lot of deaths that have been happening in that sport. Yes, someone else just passed away Actually, they think it's from Doreticus. I'll let people know this but yeah someone else just passed away. Actually, they think it's from doretic use. So I'll let people know this, but one of the darker sides of, besides all the other drug use that, you know,

including anabolic steroids and growth hormone stuff, is they'll use doretics before competition. And doretics are, they're used for medical conditions that suck the water out of your body. And that can cause your heart to fail or your muscles to seize up. There was one competition in the 90s, Paul Dillett, I think, was on stage, was posing and his body froze up.

They had to carry him off stage in the back. And so a calorie depleted and everything on top of that and then taking the water out, like so dangerous. Well, remember Adam would get sick before every show. Because you're every but a lot of shows. That's what you said, right? Yeah, yeah.

Because your immune system was so. Oh, no, I was super. I mean, you figure right, you're depl but a lot of shows that well that's what you said yeah, yeah, because your immune system Oh, I know I was I was super it was I mean you figure right you're depleted for that long long of a period time for weeks and weeks and weeks And if it would come around the win it would be win winter time if I was competing and it was around winter time It was like almost guaranteed in prep. I would I would get sick Yeah, till this day whenever we get people who caught who ask a question if they think oh should I compete? It's almost an always a no for me. Such a not good for you sport to compete in. Yeah, I think I was really lucky

that I did it at the point in my career that I did. I don't think that I would have been good for me if I would have done try to do something like that in my 20s. I don't think I was in the right head space to do something with that. But speaking of things, Sal watches late at night. Oh, great.

Did you guys see that? Yes, you know, you're watch running Coleman's glutes at night time. So it's a, did you guys see the VR strip clubs? Oh, wait a minute. Yes.

Wait, who's, did you send a clip or someone send a clip in our group text? I might have. I don't know. He's like video game type people. Or is it like real people? Yeah, it's like it's like video game avatars as of right now. I mean, so I saw much longer. I've used to some video games where it looks like people. So it's not going to be. I saw, okay,

I saw a clip. I don't know if you sent it or tagged me on it or someone did. They still move weird. Bro, it was this. What is this? It was this overweight 30 year old dude that looks like he lives at his mom's Spaceman and he his avatar is this hot elf Seren's me Yeah, yeah, he's doing VR like just cat fishing every Strip like you can is that the one you saw I think so yeah, I think I saw I actually after I saw it I got interested because I don't see how much it was.

So to dig around it, I couldn't actually get to the bottom of it, so maybe Doug, you could help me find that, but I was curious to like how expensive it was or how popular these things are, but they're moving in that direction. We're doing closer to the, where you don't have to leave your room. Yeah, I'm telling you. It's like, that's what's, especially with what's gone on with COVID and the lockdowns and don't Go see people and stuff like that. We're already encouraging people to do that and then the technology comes out to go Oh, you know, they're ain't so bad. Yeah, I know I can do this all day. I'm a home dude. I I watched three

VR paradise what that looks more real right there You know what and the tech is only gonna get better so they're gonna look more How much? Why is it say you're already a spy in the media way? I saw boobies. Why is it say you're a subscriber? Did you really just say that like that? It says, hey, it says welcome back Doug.

How many times have you been on your Doug? Lier. You got credits. Wow. You can actually choose what you like to look at. Wow. Look at that has like a sliding skill for breast size and bottom size.

Spin a lot of tokens. Hey, what you dresser. On the one hand, we're trying to be super progressive. On the other hand, it's like this is as bout as you can objectify bodies. What is it say by now, Doug, in the corner? What's that say? I can't read it from here. Uh, yes. By now. I know above that. I can read by now. What does it say? Above that is what? What's the price? Oh, I'm looking for that right now. Oh, it's nine, well, it's in euros, interestingly. Oh. 1999 euros.

For what? I don't know, probably a month. Oh my god, the description. Oh, and I guess when you move your hands. Well, because you have VR goggles on. Yeah. So you move around and then you could talk to them. Wow.

This is gonna get weird, dude. No hands. Oh, wow. This is interesting. Wow. This is gonna get weird, dude. No hands. Wow, this is interesting. This isn't tank. I'm not gonna lie. I noticed I don't want to experience this just because I want to see, like,

is it, like, I'm not a big strip club guys it is. So I don't just evaluate. Yeah, no, really. I just, I just, I just, I just, I'm a good, leave the stuff if you want. Heat n' up in here. I feel weird when I have cartoon. Oh my gosh up in here. I feel weird watching that cartoon. Oh my gosh.

But here's the thing though, look how... Oh my god. Wow. You're getting it. Yeah, wow. I mean, this is only gonna get more real looking. I know. We're not far from it looking less virtual reality looking.

But we just made Andrew super uncomfortable with that. Yeah. He's like, hey, he's like, I just saw him screenshot. You know virtual reality, but we just made Andrew super uncomfortable. Yeah He's like hey The website yeah, yeah, no, that's crazy though, right? That is crazy I didn't know it was already I didn't know it was like that already them and so the strippers are people too behind Right, so that's the article that we I saw that I probably share with you because you're referring to what I saw too So that is like a website where you go in, you pay a monthly membership and then you have access to the and you can build. I'm wearing those suits for the green screen where they had like the different tracking

sensors on them to do all those sexy moves. Yeah. Well, when I saw in the commercial, you think so. Yeah, to build it. When I saw in the commercial was there was a dude and he was the stripper. No. And he had, yes. And I guess he was in the commercial was there was a dude and he was the stripper. And he had, yes. And I guess he was the whole way through.

And he built the avatar. Yeah, so that's more like an interactive one, which I believe it'll go to that, right? I think you'll see eventually what we'll make, because right now you know you're going into like a video game there. What will make it probably more of a turn on for somebody is if you're interacting with another real person,

that's also in the virtual world, right? The virtual world is more normal than the real world. What happened? What's happened? What's happened? Hey, speaking of crazy shit, I found this series on Netflix that I think only Justin would appreciate. Okay.

Have you seen it? It's Oats Studios and there's short films, so like 20 minute or 10 minute films, but all of them are sci-fi post-apocalyptic based type films. I'm scratching my itch. Bro, the first episode, Sigourney Weaver is in it, and it's like a post-apocalyptic world with these aliens that, oh my God, dude, it's intense. It's really fun, it's really, really interesting.

I could surprise you haven't seen it. Well, yeah, I mean, I've still getting in that foundation. Oh, yeah, how's that going? Dude, it's really fun. It's really really interesting. I could surprise you haven't seen it. Well, yeah I mean, I've still getting in that foundation Oh, yeah, how's that going dude? It's so good. Yeah, I could totally see how again in Star Wars did take a lot because this was a series before Star Wars existed so to your point of last time we brought it up with the empire and all that there's gonna be a lot more Verbege and and similarities You know that they extracted from it, but I just the whole concept to me, it's really trippy and it's out there and it's a fresh, new story that is original.

I think you just don't see that a lot. People put a lot of money into that. What episode are you on? I'm on episode four, I think current. Would you go back and rewatch the first four and then go forward? Totally. Because we're all gonna be going up together

I'll be down to watch it. I'm telling you that I mean again it's heady and it's a little bit. It's not like action back You know it's like it's building story line. Yeah, it's not a good one for us Yeah, I mean, I'm probably the least into that and I'd watch that with you guys I started clickbait with Jessica. So we watch oh you did how far do get? We're on episode four, I think, or three or four. Really good. Yeah. I think it's accurately depicting the social media tech.

Yeah, I talked about this afterwards because he benched a Raptor. I sent him over to it and I will give it C minus acting, but A plus story. Okay. So I think the acting is kind of weak, but the story is so good that it kept me coming back and I watched the whole thing. And I think it's great.

I think the whole thing is great, but yeah, the acting was just kind of like a little cheesy or whatever. I do want to show you guys, because there's short episodes. I do want to show you guys when we go hang out to work or whatever at night. I do want to show you some of the Oats studios. Oh man, dude. Yeah. It's really, it's like the first one was really good, dude.

I have another good recommendation for the audience as far as, I tell you what, I feel like I'm eating crow here because I was one of kind of shitting on Netflix as far as coming out with really good content, especially related to some. Dude, have you seen bad sport yet? I haven't seen that. I just saw the preview for that though. Another, so, and it's all these,

they're like sport stories that you, you, a lot of people don't know about. Like, I mean, I'm in sports and some of them, like I'm like, oh, I kind of vaguely remember that. They're like in the late 80s, early 90s. These like crazy stories that happened in sports. Very similar, like I said, to the, and this is different, the other one was untold stories.

So another kind of 30 for 30 vibe. Very vibe, yeah, it's got that same kind of vibe where it's like these great, short documentaries, one hours, one hour of documentaries on a specific subject or topic or sport of something that a story that you didn't know and some great stories that I had no idea about that were just and it's shot really, really well.

Well, I gotta give you guys a bit of an update with the whole football situation. So we have been, it's been frustrating. The last like two, three games, like we've actually lost, but like one touchdown or like a field goal. Oh, it's just, it's just stung. The third one, I've never like lost three in a row.

So to me, that one really stung. But it turns out, okay, so we were down to like the last minute in this cause, some controversy amongst the coaches, even of like how to strategically handle this kind of situation where basically they had the ball and They got up to like our 40 yard line and so they have like you know 60 yards to go and Apparently they have a really strong kicker which like I kind of saw a little bit of one of my other friends He's a coach. He saw he had a really good leg on them. The other coaches didn't really see it

You know that he had a great, he saw he had a really good leg on him. The other coaches didn't really see that he had a great leg. So their thought and philosophy behind it was to run the clock out and let them go for the long kick. Then we would get into overtime. And so that was sort of like, we're like time out, time out, trying to save time. So that way we get the ball back even if they do. Of course, we have one more chance, right? Right. So it's like the whole play to win or play not to lose a type of a strategy is going on there.

But so what happened was they kick like is like a 46 yard fuel goal, right? It's a really long fuel goal. Especially for this. This is high school, right? Kicks it, flies. It's going in the air for days Score wow field goal wins a game We review this later It did not go in what you have the you have the reps that are sitting right underneath it exactly

What the fuck right wow so I'll have Andrew post right here. There's a picture right so the balls on its way you could see it literally now you can't see it because it's behind the goal post. It wouldn't be behind the goal post and be in front of the goal post. Wow. Now does does okay this high school high school have I imagine probably less reps than NFL but in the NFL when they kick a field goal you have a raft there's two like there's two reps Yeah, two reps then there's they're standing right underneath the goalpost So they can it has to basically go over their head. Yeah, so it would so how did that even happen? Yeah Yeah, you guys had reps there like that. Honestly, it's it's baffling to me because like even we saw it and it was such a long

Kick I think we're all just amazed that he kicked it so far. And I think that just took over everybody's like, whoa, and then, oh, like right when we saw they throw their hands up, we didn't even think that it missed. That's the lizard people. It's a conspiracy dude. I knew it. Yeah, so that was even worse.

So it's like, oh, what a day dude. Now I find out that the main thing. So what's the record at right now? Because we at where are you at right now? What are you guys? No, so we have two wins. day, dude. Now I find out that the record at right now, because we at where are you at right now? What are you guys? No, so we have two wins. Oh, good. Yeah, so we're two and three, but the first two games

were scratched because of, we couldn't feel the team because of COVID restrictions. Dude, this team has gone through the ringer. I feel for them a lot because we've just had like other kid left us and went to our rival team. Yeah. We've had other kids just drop out like we're literally down to no Alternates and everybody runs like every play and we're just like

Piecing it together and we're still fighting and these kids like still these games. We should have won You know, that's what's so frustrating like they have the heart. It it's just, you know, like it's so limiting, like what we can do right now. Well, it's not, but it sounds like they're all getting benefit from it. They're improving and working together. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, everybody's still like about it. It's just like, you know, it's, it's, it's hard, you know, it stinks. Now, when these games are going on and you're watching, I know you personally, I know you're

normally a very calm, measured individual, but I know that what is under the surface is a raging inferno. Yeah. How are you at the games? Are you like the coach that's like, blah, are you very like chill and like? Yeah, I would guess you would call me the coach

that's sort of almost ready to choke somebody out. Okay. So I'm very into it. Like it ramps way up for me and I just can't help it because for me it's just the association. I want to get out there. I want to cause a rockess and like I just you know it's hard for me to be on sidelines. Yeah, we still haven't come to a game. So I think we need to do that.

No, no, I want to go. The last game like I said, it's the rival game. Like we'll get you guys out. We'll make whatever, you know, push that we have left. And we're all going to put out the game. Let's go Brandon. Let's go. That's the guy.

You started, dude. You did. I would love to start that. Well, I dare you, dude. You guys actually watched the original. Yes, dude. Oh, my God. It's true. I Dare you do you guys actually watch the original I don't care what side drawn you should be able to laugh with that if not Dude you're a reporter like just totally

Yeah, I don't even know what the really is only gonna make it spread. Oh, yeah, that's why it's so great She's trying to brush it on the rug like it wasn't done. It's like oh wait now You just made it like a viral sensation because of that so great Well, so you can talk about controversy one of you guys had in your notes and I want to bring it up The the past a law for a toys gender What is that? Use some gym instead of focusing on this is our this is our place. This is California Getting us from getting forest fires and, you know, like attacking a whole lake. And then we're swanning into it and did some stuff already.

He passed the law that said every store that sells toys has to have an aisle with gender neutral toys in it, which does nothing. Which, it does not. Kids want, like, naturally gravitate towards what they want. It just does them nothing. So, it's a point. Okay, so, yeah, let me get this correct.

So, like, target now. We'll have to have an aisle that is dedicated to gender neutral children, gender neutral toys. So, that would be for gender neutral children. Another great move for small business to now have to, you know, count for that. So, what's it gonna have in there?

It's so funny. In the pursuit of being inclusive, I feel like we're segregating us even more. Okay, so it requires a gentle, neutral toy section. Now, here's why this is annoying, because it's a lot of like, look at what we're doing and it's done, it's really not helping. There's so many things you could do,

and this is what you do, it's a signal to everybody how much you care and it's done. It's really not so there's so many things you could do and this is what you do It's a to signal to everybody how much you care is not doing anything also by the way I'm gonna piss some people off studies have been done on this not just in humans, but in primates as well and The toys people think that we give toys to our kids to make them be a particular way. Yeah, they've already done studies It shows I'm sure there's some of that, but most of it is driven from what kids want to be in. So, and they show that boys tend to like things and girls tend to like people, or like dolls,

and stuff like that. And that's just an evolutionary fact, if you talk to evolution. I guess I'm just, I guess I'll explain that. I guess I'm still confused here. What does the gender neutral toy aisle look like that's different than the other aisle rocks? I don't know that's a good quit maybe like Puzzles and cram right nothingness, so that's where I'm confused right now

So are they going to take toys that are like okay? This toy doesn't have a sex because it's not a doll or a transformer thing Or whatever can is already there are like, okay, this toy doesn't have a sex because it's not a doll or a transformer thing or whatever. Here, Ken is already there. No, no, Ken's brought. He's supposed to be a guy as far as I know. So maybe there's gonna be an aisle that will be dedicated to life. Okay, so here's one of the rules.

A bad, a puzzle. So here's why it's not gonna do anything. Rings, because Target is gonna literally just take the toys that they already have in there. Yeah. Put it in one aisle. That's what I'm trying to get at right now. This is like no sense.

Because if you're the governor, now you get to say, I made a law that required gender neutral aisle and I'll restore it. And it looks good, but it does nothing. I just wanna know that it's just a part of it. It can't be that ridiculous. There's gotta be like some desired outcome that's different.

The desired outcome is you don't wanna incur, you always wanna let your kids creativity drive what they play with and you don't wanna impose upon them what you think they should be playing with. Yeah, and I get that, I get that. But what does this do for that? So let's pretend I'm one of those woke parents who's like, I got my little two year old

and I'm like, I'm not gonna tell him if he's a boy or girl yet, I'm gonna dress him in white all the time and then we're walking down the aisle and we're gonna go get a toy and I'm like you know my my child that doesn't identify with anything else I'm gonna stop him from going to the boy or girl we're gonna come over here to the the non-gender aisle and shop so I don't want to I don't want to pollute his my her or her mind yeah no one's gonna do that right no one's gonna do that you're right you don't get it because it makes no sense again the gender neutral toys exist and what they're

gonna use put them in one aisle it's not gonna solve it's not doing anything and they're still gonna be trucks and they're still gonna be dolls and they're still because there's a market demand for the next four yeah that's that's all I got yeah yeah so yeah so it's not gonna do any but yes this is a law they just passed this law. Can you believe that? So these legislators, listen, they're literally sitting around in California, which is bleeding residents has a homeless problem that's grown.

I think 70% in the last four or five years, crime has gone up tremendously, especially petty crime because we've taken... No small businesses left. Yeah, they're like they're about. And they're like, all right guys, you know, I know we're getting paid by the minute, you know, by tax dollars. So here's we're going to solve something right now. We're going to pass a law, yeah, makes all these stores have to put all these particular toys in one aisle. Yeah, I remember saying that. Plus you can just steal the toys anyway, as long as it's under like $60. That's you don't get a criminal fine. Have you seen the videos of that? You're on what?

Okay, because a lot of cities like San Francisco pass law, so if you steal, it's usually a big deal. If it's $900, $900, they don't do anything. Something like that. That's the thing when I walk in and they're literally just like, Oh yeah, no, this is the one. When I tell friends that are like out of state

and family that are out of state, when I tell them like, no, this is like a real thing that happens in San Francisco where literally someone will walk in there They'll be security in there and everything and they walk over with a trash bag and they they empty $900 worth of supplies bathroom supplies and with that and then they will out there black trash bag They walk right out and they don't get stopped because if they get stopped the cop pick the police officers pick them up Bring them in and let them out that same day, and so it's a waste of police time, it's a waste of...

Oh that's true. ...a aqua person's please. Yeah, so my brother lived in San Francisco filmed, there was three people that walked into a store, filled up bags with deodorant and like you know bathroom supplies, filled it up, and then when he left the store he walked, he had to walk home, right? So he walked on the corner selling it, I bet. They had it on the floor laid out selling them. Can you believe this shit? Of course I believe it because if I was homeless that's exactly

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Our first color is Anna from Maryland. Hey, Anna, how can we help you? Hi guys, well first off, I just wanted to say, as everyone says, um, you guys do great work. Um, thank you for, uh, you know, putting this podcast out. So yeah, so I'm gonna start with that. Um, I have a question about, um, one of my clients. So I am a trainer, actually, um, uh, this month marks my one year. So I'm a newer trainer. And I have a client that I've been working with since the end of May that is a very

astrophotic patient. So about a little over a year ago, she got the surgery. I had put her on a strength focused, pretty linear progression, anabolic-esque type workout program, and she was doing really well. Her strength is doing well as she's going up in weight and getting stronger every session. But we did her body fat, ooh, about the beginning of August, and she actually had went up body fat. So my question is, how do you increase a bariatric patient's metabolism? I think I also put in my question, like with things like aminos and other supplements in her case, be more important. So I

if you could just speak on that. Yeah, really, really good question. So first thing I want to ask you those, how did you do the body fat test? Because you said she got stronger, but her body fat percentage went up. And I know body fat percentage tests can are notoriously challenging to do when people have a lot of body fat. The larger they are and the leaner they are,

so when you get in the extreme ends, the more inaccurate they are in the harder they are to try. Yeah, but don't you think that's, I mean, that's almost obvious that's what's going to happen if she had the surgery in the heart of the art of trial. Yeah, but don't you think that's, I mean, that's almost obvious that's going to happen. If she had the surgery in the last year or even two years, she's losing weight like crazy because her calorie intake, she's losing just total weight too fast.

Maybe. I don't think it would be. But she got stronger. That's why I want to ask, how did you do the body fat test the first time and then each subsequent time? Yeah. So I do work at a studio. I moved from a big box gym that did like, in bodies with biolectical impedance to somewhere that does skin calipers. So I was curious about getting her on like an in body machine,

but we did calipers. And you did calipers the whole time? Yes. And how much did her body fat percentage go up? About like 4%. Okay. So that's within the realm of error. But again, what Adam's saying could be true. I mean, losing that much weight. The only thing is that her strength went up.

And honestly, when you're dealing with that much weight loss, that's really the main thing that I'm looking at is, are you getting stronger? As far as the supplements are concerned, of course, you want to work with their doctor because they do have pretty specific new nutritional requirements. She's probably already on multivitamins and other supplements. But can amino acids and protein powders help this person? In my experience, yes, very much so. Easily digestible protein, that's easy to consume and can help when somebody's stomach is so small or they can't consume as much at one sitting. Digestive enzymes can help, so it can mean elastids, but I would work with the doctor

to make sure that this is all okay. How many calories is she currently on right now and how long ago was the surgery? So I have her tracking, but she's not very good at keeping it. She seems to be around 1200, Sometimes can get to like 1250. And then it's a pretty low. And how long? How long? How long she been from the surgery? A way from the surgery removed from it. Yeah. How long ago was the surgery? A little over a year. Okay. Well, there you go. I mean, that's how if someone goes down, if someone was eating 3000 plus calories a day, they do the surgery. They're eating 1200. You can get stronger, especially since you've been training with them.

It's very normal for her to get stronger, but she's losing weight at such a rapid rate that the ratio of muscle to fat is higher. So that's what makes the body fat percentage go up, which is extremely common with this situation. So that's not, I wouldn't be too worried about that that's how i'd explain that to us at listen we have dramatically cut your calories and even though we are building some muscle and we are heading in the right

direction you're losing so fast that it's very normal for you to also lose muscle because we're not no we're no longer feeding it enough calories to sustain it on your body so that's all normal. Yeah. I would be entirely focused on performance. I've worked with a few bariatric patients and I mean, essentially that surgery forces you to lose weight.

And when it comes to supplements, I always would work with the doctor because you're not dealing with a normal digestive system anymore. So there are special requirements, but I would focus entirely on performance, make the whole thing about performance. I wouldn't look at the scale. I wouldn't, first off, she's gonna look at the scale anyway. She's probably already getting tracked by the doctor.

She's very aware of how much weight she's losing or not losing because that's why she did the procedure. I would focus entirely on performance, stamina, strength, mobility, and endurance, and moving that direction because in my experience, it's already so body-focused that if I keep placing focus on body, it can oftentimes make it a very stressful situation. And when you're dealing with somebody who medicated themselves with food for so long, you don't want to do is make an experience, something that may not be as enjoyable. and I've been really, really, really, and I've been really, really, really, and I've been really, really, really,

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and I've been really, really, really, and I've been really, really, really, but I would definitely make an effort to keep her protein intake pretty, because she's gonna be solo calorie that making sure she's on a higher protein diet will be muscle-sparing for her. Even though to Sal's point, that shouldn't be the focus. We don't need to worry too much about that.

It's inevitable that if you reduce your calories at that rate from the size that she probably was at before, we're gonna lose muscle too. But to minimize how much muscle we lose, I'd be focused for you as a coach at keeping her protein intake. But you could tie that to performance, right? So rather than saying eat more protein,

so you don't lose muscle or so you get leaner. So you'd be stronger. Exactly. We wanna look at strength. We wanna see how strong you can get. I wanna see your performance. And I think we need to increase your protein intake in order to do that.

And then shakes can be very valuable for people in this particular situation. Because of the procedure that they had, it's harder to digest food. They don't have as much capability to have as much food at one time. And liquid shakes can oftentimes be something that helps quite a bit.

And here's what's happening is you were so low calorie that fat and muscle is just coming off the body at such a fast rate. At one point that will start to, especially if you're strength training, if you're strength training, we're getting adequate protein. At one point, the probably the fat loss will continue

and then she'll start to kind of hold her muscle mass. And that and really that's kind of, your indicator of like, you guys are really on the right path is that, you know, she started to level off on the body fat percentage, but I, which she has. Oh, she has. Well, and that's to update since I wrote in the question

for a little under a month now, she's been at the same weight. Like, she comes in, she's like, it is not budge. This is so funny. So I'm, I'm hopeful that like the next time we do the body fat percentage, there might be a change in that composition, but I don't know. And again, it's a different client I've ever worked with. Um, I told her to try to up her cow.

See, I, I wasn't sure about upping it with protein or carbs because I know proteins very satiating and for her, it's really hard. She's already had, I think it's called dumping syndrome, which a bariatric patients can get. And it's just they get really full and they feel sick kind of thing. So I actually told her about like 200 calories surplus with carbs. You're saying protein instead most likely? Yeah, proteins, if fats, I mean, you know, you wanna get that, but I mean, if she feels better with some carbs,

that's fine. Small meals throughout the day, this is where the benefit of that is. You know, someone like this would be doing like seven or eight, you know, snacks throughout the day because eating too much at once can cause problems, like you said, with dumping syndrome. I do wanna go back to the body fat test though, because when you're testing, especially

even, especially skimfold, when I'm doing someone who's super obese, the, the, the, the error that I can measure with that is tremendous. Like, like, how much she, she way the first time you test that her versus the second time you test that her, like, what is a way that now? Where was she when you first did her body fat test, you know? Yeah, so she came in, she was 186, 186, and now she is budgeted at 162. Okay, well that's not too heavy, but you know.

No, it's not as hard, but it's still interesting. Yeah, but again, I mean, I mean, I never tested body fat with bariatric patients. I didn't mean, I didn't mean, I didn't say that. We didn't even talk about that. No, that wasn't part of the conversation. I think the focus with that, they've obviously

taken extreme measures to lose the weight. At this point now, as a trainer, to be able to establish building muscle as the main goal and objective and getting active recovery with that and being able to implement these better habits is the uppermost priority. So to focus on the strength part of it and really just keep reiterating, it's going to take a while, like this extreme shift. Now we have to really kind of take all these steps, which is going to take a lot

of time to establish a built, repaired metabolism to be able to go forward from here. And increasing the calories through carbs, in fact, I think it's fine so long as she's getting at least the bare minimum protein. So I would, that's the one thing. Otherwise, we're going to lose, continue to lose muscle. She's eating 20 grams of protein every day. And the rest is most carbs and fat to get to her 1200 or so calories.

Then you can do all the strength training in the world, in a caloric deficit and grossly under consuming protein, we're gonna lose muscle. Minimum, we wanna hit like 70 grams. Yeah, so that's how I would decide on what those calories come from is, you know, if she's hitting a good amount of 60 to 80 grams of protein at least, okay, well, we can, you know, eat whatever feels the best for you, whether that be carbs, fat or protein.

But if she's grossly under eating protein, 20 to 30, say, even 40 grams of protein every day, then I'd be encouraging those extra calories to come from protein. Consider this, Anna, you're working with the hardest, one of the hardest segments of the population in terms of getting someone to achieve permanent success with fitness and nutrition. It's one of the most challenging segments of the population. So think that way the entire time.

What you don't want to do is think of goals, short term, but rather, how can I get this person to develop a relationship with exercise and nutrition to where they'll be able to maintain it forever? Okay, always and forever. They've already, I mean, we can guess that they probably had a bad relationship to food to begin with, and exercise is very closely connected to that. So measurements, spotty fat tests, weigh yourself, macros, counting calories, that can all be a stress and make it feel negative and all that stuff.

So I like to really focus on performance. I can imagine if this client really started to just love, they stopped thinking about their weight and really just love getting faster, getting stronger, being able to do new exercises and move in different ways and enjoy that. The often side effect of that is they eat better. They start to eat to fuel their body, they start to develop this relationship with exercise

where I just love doing it. I just love going to the gym because I feel good and I love moving and I love doing these new exercises I couldn't do before. So that's really the direction that I would say to focus on because don't think of yourself so much as I'm a trainer and you produce produced results for this person.

Think of yourself as more of a guide and I need to lead them to a situation where this person now has achieved permanent success. I don't know if you're familiar with the long term fail rate even with bi- you're familiar with the long-term fail rate, even with bariatric patients, it's not very good. So that's where I would place my entire focus, at least that's what I did. And I still didn't have the greatest success rate,

but it was better than when you looked at the averages. Gotcha. Yeah, no, she's starting to get there. And I, I mean, I started working with her when she'd already dropped a lot away. You know what I mean, after those initial months, you start losing really quickly. So she was already down pretty much and she the other day tried to pick up the 45 pound barbell and like curl it for like 12. So she's getting into the strength

of it. And I think the strength is actually what's exciting her. Excellent, excellent. Perfect. Well, perfect. Well, thank you for calling in and actually, you know, I wonder if this person would benefit from our intuitive nutrition guide. Do you have that? No, I do not know. Let me send that over to you. You could read through it and pull from it and it might help you communicate with this particular client in a healthy way with nutrition. There's some good stuff in there. Awesome, sounds good, thank you very much.

Thank you. I appreciate it guys. Do you guys remember, so I know you guys have worked with clients who've been trained by the few. Yeah, and I know the 24-hour Santa Teresa there was a clinic there. It was a clinic there. I worked, and I know that the 24-hour Santa Teresa, there was a clinic there. It was a clinic there.

I worked, and I remember my first time working with this population, and it's very, very challenging. I remember the first client I had, I got them, they lost lots of weight, got them in shape, you know, we did the whole, you know, meal plan, the whole deal. Didn't see them for years, ran into them later, and I could not believe how much of the weight they had gained back.

I thought it was impossible to gain the way back, but I guess through just sheer will, and just not having a great relationship with nutrition and food, they were able to do it. And I remember thinking to myself, like I need a completely different approach. Oh, same thing happens, like not addressing the root of it all, and it was so frustrating to see that.

But again, it's so addictive once you start losing weight. Like that's like one of those things like to slow them down and to be able to kind of really address it through, you know, behavior into changes, behaviors. Later on in my career, like I figured, you know, how to do that and how to communicate that a lot better. But I mean, you're, they their cheerleader in a sense too. You want them to lose away because you think the weight is really the biggest issue that's

keeping them unhealthy, and then you further on realize, oh, well, this route of this behavior hasn't been addressed yet, and so therefore, this is going to keep coming back and something that you've got to keep continually dealing with. Well, and for all the trainers that are listening to this, the have clients like this, it's very normal to see the body fat percentage go up like that. So that's why I was trying to stress that, like it really doesn't matter what they're using.

Can you even test body fat for clients like this? I know. And that's part of the reason why you don't worry about that because it's not good news, you get back. You know, you're, they're training with you three days a week. They're doing what they're supposed to. Strength training, they've got a good balance in their macros. You would like to show them, oh, look, we got, you know, you lost 30 pounds the last two weeks, but we got more muscle like the reality is their calories are so low. And they can absorb very, never lose muscle with it. That's right.

It's, they're just, they're gonna, they're gonna plummet. And they can't absorb very many, they never really lose muscle with it. That's right. They're just, they're gonna, they're gonna plum it. And really the, the strength training aspect of it is just to slow down the atrophy of muscle during that process. That's the truth, isn't it? Yeah, because it's inevitable because of how low a calorie they are.

And then again, back to my point about the protein, that would be my biggest concern as far as helping slowing that process down. Because if she is eating only 12-hundred calories and only eating 20 to 40 grams of protein, that's going to continue for a while. I mean, she's going to continue for quite some time before her body probably levels out or else she's going to continue to see body fat go up even with the scale going down.

Our next caller is Jackie from Virginia. Hey Jackie, how come we help you? Hey, first of all all this is super cool so I listen to you guys pretty much every day and if there's a new episode out I go to the archive and listen to something there so I'm gonna coach myself I find a ton of value in the content you're putting out so thanks for all you guys do. Thank you. Yeah so a little background on me, I currently compete in Olympic weightlifting at a pretty high level. I've been competing for six years and in that time I've won two national championships, an American Open Championship, 20 national medals, I've competed on TV USA.

And I'm just getting to a point where I'm in my mid-30s. I've accomplished all of my goals and more in the sport, but I also have a full-time job, completely outside of fitness, and I coach on the side, so I'm just kind of ready to retire. I've also been an athlete in my whole life, so I started out as a gymnast.

I did that for over 15 years, and then I just went into normal strength training in college. I did some cross-fit, and that's what introduced me to Olympic weightlifting. But I've always been strong pretty much my whole life, especially from gymnastics and just having good genetics. I tend to keep on muscle and have really strong legs.

So I can squat over 350 pounds. My deadlift is about the same because I'm super quad dominant. So yeah, I've been strong my whole life, been athlete my whole life, and now I'm looking at the next chapter of being in my mid-30s and wanting to maintain a strong physique. But I also don't need to be as strong as I currently am, because if I'm not competing, I don't need to be able to squat over 350 pounds. I'm not looking to, but I also want to be strong in strength train. For one, I'm pretty lost on which program I should do because I've been training really hard for so long, but I'm afraid that if I don't train enough, I'll gain body fat and

there's a ton of muscles. I'm trying to figure out what the best program is for me to start with. So you can do a strong program that will get you not as strong. Is that your saying? Yeah. I mean, no, but I want to, like, I'm like, I'm five, three ish, like five, it's three, five, three and five, four. I weigh 145 pounds, but I cut to down to the 64 kilo class

for competition. So I feel like I could lose like 10 pounds to get to a physique that makes me happy and still be strong, because I'm not trying to be like, I have giant quads, but like I'm pretty lean, but I just wanna like change my body composition and yeah, get to a point where I could also eat at maintenance,

because right now I've cut for competition back and forth. So I haven't been able to actually reverse diet because I don't have enough time between competitions to do so. So I'm trying to also get to a place where I can eat like a normal person all that. It would be a blast to train. I would love to train.

I can't wait to hear what everyone, I bet you were all gonna have different opinions because you could go a lot of different directions. Well, I mean, I have some good news and some bad news. So here's the good news. With someone of your caliber, you can do whatever the hell you want and you'll be fine. Okay, that's the truth.

Now, I can't say that to everybody, but someone like you with your obvious, great genetics and how responsive you are to resistance training, you can do whatever you want and you'd probably get, oh great results, no matter what. Here's the bad news, it's gonna be hard to lose muscle. So because your body's so responsive, the only way you could lose muscle in a relatively healthy way

would be to focus on endurance training. And that would probably do it a little bit, although I wouldn't get too excited about it because I've seen people like you do endurance training and not lose that much muscle because they just, she wrote to it. And not to mention she wrote that she hates cardio. Exactly, so yeah.

I mean, that's the good news and bad news. Now, when I would go if I were you, is more of a map-sesthetic route? Oh, so I going to push your performance than aesthetic. Well, performance would be good too, but here's why I said aesthetic is because with the focus sessions,

you could go to the gym and be more like a body builder and sculpt your body and not train your quads as much. Maybe focus more on your hamstrings and just focus on the parts of your body you really want to develop and kind of neglect the parts you don't want to develop as much. You can really have fun with maps aesthetic because it allows so much of that, you know,

modifiability in that, right? Right. Yeah, I was going to say that for that specific reason of the focus sessions and just to kind of get you outside of the compound lifts a bit and really just kind of take your body as individual muscle groups that we're really like hyper focused on. But then also too, you mentioned, hey cardio to me, that speaks like something that maybe your body needs to venture into that a bit, lean into the cardiovascular aspect of it, it just challenge yourself through that, which then you can maybe see the benefit of that

going forward and your body responsive in that direction. Okay, well, it sounds like we all are a little bit closer than I thought we were going to be, because you're right. To your point, so I 100% think that you could go a bunch of different directions and we could have success a lot of different ways. I did ultimately want you in maps aesthetic. I was going to say performance first just because I know that I know Olympic lifting is obviously more dynamic than like powerlifting, but sometimes we tend

to do a lot of like, you know, sagittal plane exercises primarily. There's not a lot of multi-directional exercises that you're probably doing. And so I think you could benefit from that. And because I think there's a lot of unique exercises in there, so I think your body would respond will that. But I do think that a kind of unique exercise in there, so I think your body would respond, will it? But I do think that a body builder-esque type of routine would do you really, really well. So, maps aesthetic, I agree. The one add to that is my prescription on that. If we were to go to maps aesthetic,

I would love to see you, even though I know you don't like it, or I wanna, I would try and push you towards 30 minutes of cardio with your focus day. So, the way the program's structured is there's three foundational days and then you have two to three focus days on those two to three focus days when you are focusing on the, which is basically a like a 20 minute workout, 20 to 30 minutes. I would spend the other 20 to 30 minutes doing some cardio and it doesn't need to be crazy intense.

You could have fun with it, stare master stuff, electrical stuff, power walking on an incline, row for a while, you could have some fun. But I would encourage us to do some cardiovascular training like that for about 30 to 40 minutes on the same days that we do focus training with maps aesthetic.

I think the combination of that, I think your body will respond really well. Yeah, now what, here's another route you can go, Jackie, and I would almost never recommend this to most people, okay? Because you did mention you have a full time job and obviously you're not gonna be competing at that same level, so maybe you wanna work out less, maybe you don't wanna work out five or six days a week.

You're one of the few people I could get away with this. You could go to the gym three or four days a week and literally do focus on whatever you want. Literally, you could go to the gym. You're probably so hyper responsive to resistance training. You could look in the mirror and be like, I want to work on my back a little more, so I'm going to do a little back today. You know what my shoulders, I want to develop a little more.

My quads are really big. I think I'll avoid quad training for the next three weeks or whatever. You could totally get away with going to the gym and kind of doing what you want and having a little bit of fun with watching your body shape and sculpt based on what you do. Most people's bodies are not responsive enough to do that. They just wouldn't see their body change quick enough

for them to be able to make those judgments. But in your case, you're literally one percent or probably less. I would say, you could go to the gym literally three, four days a week and kind of do whatever you want and look at your body and say, I want to do a little list, a little that. And like I said, when you first answered your question, any direction you go so long as you don't hurt yourself and overdo it, you're going to do fine. So that's the kind of question. I think she did bring up a concern though,

that would be a concern of mine of reducing the volume too much, is that because she's got a lot of muscle, she's probably been training her ass off like crazy. She probably has created a high demand of calories for her body, so if all of a sudden you dramatically reduce the volume of training, I would imagine she's gonna have to change the calories, whereas if she does something like M Maps Estetic, which is one of our higher volume programs,

in addition to 30 minutes of cardio two to three times a week, I think that's enough calorie burn that she won't have to reduce her. I agree, but you know it's funny. So, Jack, I've only really trained a few people that I would say are probably in your, like, the kind of genetics that you have that really competed at super high levels. And so what Adam's saying is you cut your volume down. Oh no, I'm giving some body fat.

What I noticed with these few people that I trained is they literally like, oh no, I gained a little bit of body fat. I'm gonna work out a little more. Body fat's gone. It's like, it just responds very quickly. Whereas most people are like, oh my gosh, I'm stuck. What do I do?

And I'm sure, is what I'm saying resonating? Do you feel like you could just kind of pick it up a little bit and watch your body change? Yeah, I mean, I like, I love training. Like, obviously, because I've been doing it for so long at such a high level. So I don't necessarily want to like stop going to the gym at a regular basis. But I'm just trying to change up like what I'm doing not put so much stress on my body because I've been putting it through the ringer for quite a number of years. And also doing like those extreme cuts for competition.

Like I end up water cutting most of the weight that I need to like right before the meat but like kind of like a fighter would. But I'm still restricting calories so that I don to like right before the meat, but like kind of like a fighter would, but I'm still restricting calories so that I don't gain weight. So, you know, it's hard to, I guess, figure out which route is the right one, but I feel like when you say like aesthetic,

adding some cardio and like baby, that's the right one. I think I'm standing by what I say. I think maps aesthetic 30 minutes of cardio two to three times a week on your focus days. It's still allowed. You're going to the gym six five six days a week minimum What you probably like to do anyways, you're just changing the focus. If you're not stressful on your joints. Yeah, not stressful in the joints. It's bodybuilder style. So I think you're phenomenal for your body. Awesome. Yeah, I think that makes Lawson sense because it's way different than how I train now and I think my body would probably respond well to that. Well, Jack, if you don't have it, we'll send it over to you, okay?

Yeah. Oh, awesome. Thank you guys so much. I'd like to add two or two because you'd be a fun client to listen to and talk because you add her to the forum to Doug and I would love to hear your process through. I don't know how often you use Facebook, hopefully

you get on there, I don't know. If you do, I would love to hear your process through. I don't know how often you use Facebook, hopefully you get on there. I don't know. If you do, I would love to see you in the forum. So I'm going to give you access to the private forum because you are somebody like back to Sal's point. It would be fun to try. Yeah, you would be fun. We could be going through maps of Stede.

And you could be like, oh, you know, my quads, you guys. And we'd be like, you know what? You can change it. Drop this exercise and that exercise that are in that program. Let's switch it and put this in instead. And like, you'd be a fun person and I can easily help without having to get, like, feel like I'm having to coach you full time.

You'd be real easy to tweak some things. So if you go in the forum and you actually share with us, what you're doing, what you're going through, what you're seeing, one of us three will get on there and give you tweaks. Awesome, that sounds great. Thank you so much. Thanks for calling in.

I don't know, Jackie. Cool. Yeah. Thank you guys. Yeah, cool to have someone of that caliber. Oh, it would be a fun client. Yeah, cool on a net. Those are the best.

But I tell you, whether the best, if people need to know, here's why they're the best. It's like, anything you do, something happens. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's like a champion, right? That's why it's fun. Well, a couple things too, right? So you know if she's that talent, you know that I, like this is what I love about clients too.

When you teach like a new movement, I could say things like, oh, tuck your tailbone, oh, pull the shoulders back, oh, head up, Joe, chin in, like, it happens. Yeah, it happens. You could cue them like that. And they're, they just, their body will snap right into it, which is fun of teaching.

Of all the strength athlete athlete based sports, Olympic lifters are among the most athletic. You could literally, I've seen Olympic lifters play, who play no sports, watch them do stuff and they're, it's not like a body builder or a power lifter. Like they can move, and they can move dynamically. So it's the highest like technical lifting sport. Do three 355 squad at 145 355 at 143 or 335 squat at 145. 355 at 143.

She competes at 62 kilograms. So that's 130 something pounds, so she competes at, I mean, that's insane. Yeah, tremendous strength and power, but I guess the challenge at that level is, how do I scale down, right? Cause you compete at a national level, that's more of a mental challenge, I think than anything. How do I scale down? Because you competed at a national level. That's more of a mental challenge, I think than anything.

How do I bring it down because I'm no longer competing at this ridiculous level? Our next caller is Matt from New York. Hey, what's up, Matt? How can we help you? Hey guys, so a little backstory. So I was around like, I'm 5'9", I was around 230 pounds. I dropped about 60 pounds Last year I was doing a lot of running a lot of weightlifting as well

But I came to realize how hard it is to keep that weight off after doing all that running. I was running about 30 miles a week and I was wondering now that I've gained about like nine pounds back since then. I'm about like 179 right now is there a way that I've gained about like nine pounds back since then, I'm about like 179 right now. Is there a way that I could build muscle and drop a little bit of body fat while maintaining the same weight or do I have to bulk it and then cut? No, 100% I could do that.

You can, it's hard. You know, you might want your Goldilocks zone. Yeah, you might end up gaining a little bit, but if you put your calories at a small surplus, it's a little bit above maintenance, it makes it much more likely. And then just focus on strength. Am I getting stronger in the gym?

Do I feel more stable? That'll make the biggest impact. And then what you do is you slowly increase your calories from there so that you can get your metabolism to keep boosting so that it's more maintainable. Because what you experience is what we talk about all the time where people lose a lot of weight but play so much focus on this kind of manual calorie burning

that they find themselves in a position where it's impossible to maintain. I actually think this is a little bit easier than what people think it is. It's tougher mentally. That's the toughest part of this is that we allow the scale of up and down a little bit, or even the mere, what we see in the mere, to all of a sudden dictate what you do inside the gym or what you do with your calories.

I mean, honestly, if your goal is to, hey, I want to build some strength, build some muscle, I also want to lose some body fat at the same time. Then the goal really is to kind of hover around the same on the scale. That's so you don't want to see too much north or south on there and just get stronger in the gym. So you're basically are feeding the body what feels right and normal, which sounds I know vague, but that's the goal is to eat to where you're satisfied.

Don't over-consume, don't really try and restrict, have good balance, make sure you hit your protein and take, and then get stronger in the gym, but don't eat over it on the calories to where you're kind of staying the same scale. If you do that, you know, and you focus on kind of hovering there, while you're strength training and eating a balanced diet,

the body will kind of naturally do this. You know, you'll have times where you're probably a little bit of deficits, so the body utilizes some fat for energy, and then you'll have times where you're a little bit naturally above on calories. Some of that will get partitioned over to building muscle, and you should have this nice little exchange. It's the mental part that fucks with people, because they go, okay, here's where I need to be calorie wise, and because the scale isn't moving in a direction, they all sudden change things up. But this, this is how like whenever I'm training and dieting, like if I have a goal in mind, it doesn't matter.

Like this is kind of where I want to be. I don't want to see huge swings in any direction. That tells me that I'm feeding the body adequate calories and I know if I'm training consistently and following a good program, I'll build muscle and then the body will probably lose some faddle on the way. Okay, cool. Thanks, guys. I was like, what do you, Matt, are you following any of the maps programs?

What are you following right now? Yeah, I'm following out of Bolog right now. I just started stage two today, actually. Yeah, that was my second question. I had, can I swap out for the trigger sessions? Can I use a suspension trainer rather than using the bands? Yes, you can.

Any kind of resistance training can replace the bands. The only key is don't overdo the intensity, which is easy to do. So yeah, the reason why we recommend bands is just because it's a little less damaging, too. So you get a nice pump and you don't really exceed that intensity very often. Yeah, that's the one thing I'd caution about suspension trainer. I mean, like if you do a suspension trainer and you make it pretty easy to do pushups and to do some like rows on it, even some curls and tricep extensions, all great exercises for the suspension trainer and can do the triggers.

But you don't want to be struggling to get that 15th rep. If you do 15 and you barely and your arms are shaking to get your intensity is probably too high. So, try to keep driving that signal. Yeah, so whatever you use, because obviously you're not using weight, you're using the leverage of your body, make sure you don't leverage it so much

that you're struggling to get 15 reps. You should be able to do 15 to 20 reps, relatively easy. If that's the case, then you're probably doing the right intensity for the trigger sessions. Does that make sense? Okay, cool. All right, sounds good.

Thanks for calling in, Matt. Thank you, guys. I appreciate everything. No problem. Yeah, that's the the eternal struggle. It's like, I lose all this weight, but what I did to get there is unsustainable. Keep it up. What do I do now?

I mean, if people only, it's like 80 something percent plus fail rate after people lose a lot of weight. It's really not a weight loss issue. It's a keep weight off. Well, this is part of why, though. I mean, I feel like lately, I don't know why. I don't know if it's because we've talked about this on the show more often than not is the whole cardio thing than we've been getting slack for.

Like, you guys are so anti cardio, it's like, no we're not. This is the perfect case, you know, in point of what we're doing. This is the most common thing. This is more common than the other way around. Most people use it as this tool to get down to a certain way.

Abuse it. Yeah, yeah, I know, but they don't think they're abusing it. So I don't like to use it because then someone goes, oh, I don't abuse it. I'm only doing it so many, you know what I'm saying? So it's like but they don't think they're abusing right so I don't like to use it because in some goes Oh, I don't abuse it I'm only doing it so many you know I'm saying so it's like you don't think the fast lot fat loss button It's just like that button they have they think that they have to keep hitting that button in order to keep Shaving down. Yeah, and insert any starting point any sex it doesn't matter But using cardio as one of the main tools to get yourself down 30, 40, 60, whatever pounds.

Not a fact. Not long-term. Yeah. Unless you're a love doing that. Like if you like, if one of your favorite things is to get up now and go for a run in the morning and you want to make that a lifelong pursuit and you never stop, then by all means, but that's not what happens. Most people that decide they're going to start doing five to six days or 30 miles of cardio

are doing it because they have this massive weight loss goal and that's a fast way to get there. Problem is, as soon as you stop doing that, the weight's gonna pile back on. So that's why we don't like to recommend people in that direction because now you're in the shitty situation versus how do we build

a good meal plan and build a program for fat loss around resistance training and just moving and walking more throughout the day way more sustainable for this person for the rest of their life. Our next caller is Zachary from Boston. Hey, what's up Zach how can we help you? Hey, how's it going guys? Thanks for having me. I was just curious. So every four days or so, I work in a hospital and we'll work 28 hour shifts pretty regularly. So been trying to bolt for the last few months here, but the lack of sleep and kind of rotating schedule has been an issue. It was curious if you'd had clients with this similar sort of issue or any sort of advice to kind of address this.

Yeah, okay, so really good question. So because of the every four day, 28 hour schedule, you put yourself in a bad position in the sense that your body is not going to be able to handle normal workouts or workout loads or stress because you're already putting quite a bit of stress on your body. No matter, even if everything's perfect, that alone is a very challenging thing for the body. So you can have to work out very little

in order to build muscle. So that's the good news. The appropriate dose is going to get your body to adapt. The appropriate dose for you is a lot less than it would be if you did not work this kind of a schedule. So when people that I've worked with in this particular case, when I've trained people like this, you're looking at a couple days a week

of resistance training, like two days a week. And you're doing full body routine, you're going moderate intensity, you're focusing on building strength. And then as far as the bulk is concerned, of course, that's just a matter of a caloric surplus. Make sure you hit your protein, eat about 500 calories or so above maintenance, and you should be okay. If you're getting stronger, then you know you're on the right track. Yeah, I was going to recommend MAPSAT on ball like two to three times, and the two to three times would

depend on the way this is broken up. So it's not once a week, you have this 20-hour shift. It's literally every fourth day, you have 28 hours. So within an eight day period, you could actually have two of these days being 28-hour days, which would be over a day. Yeah, okay. So yeah, so you're right, probably one to two days a week. One to two days a week max is what I would do.

You know, and I would maybe even, you might even be especially trying to bulk too. That's the other thing. You might, and I would maybe even, you might even be- Especially trying to bulk too, that's the other thing. You might even want to do it this way. So you go 28 hours, then you're off for four days. So what you may want to do is, after your 20 hour shift, don't work out the day after,

work out the second day, and that's your one workout. And then wait till the next cycle happens again. Start with that. Go to the gym, do a full body workout. One exercise per body part, about three sets. Focus on compound lifts, not lots of volume, not lots of intensity, and then see if you can get stronger.

I mean, you could add some restorative, like adjustability or trigger session, like in the in between days where it's just, you know, it's really low to moderate type of muscle contraction or, you know, activity wise. But that would help to, you know, at least get your body to recuperate and restore and, you know, with that amount of stress, you know, and it already being absorbed in your bucket from having this type of a schedule, you just got to be mindful that it's all got to stay at a low intensity.

You know what we could do is we could go a Maps and a Balic foundational day one day on the day that sells it. So the second day after after worship, but the day before and the day after could both be trigger sessions. Yeah. So you could do a, so I would take the Maps and a Balic, I would use one of the main foundational days that's your workout routine. And then I would take the trigger session workouts,

that would be the day before and then the day after. That's how I would set work. That's what I look at. That way you're getting three days of kind of touching and you'll get one really hard, high intense day. The other two days are more like recovery, focus, but then also kind of just touching the muscles. That's what I would do, right?

Now how's your nutrition with all this? Are you able to intake a lot of whole foods or is this a struggle? Yeah, I mean, try to, but it's tough because the, I mean, obviously when you're up for 28 hours, kind of just meal timing is difficult. Yeah, yeah, I mean, try to do as much as you can with the whole foods, but honestly, less is more here.

Don't push your body to see how much you can do, but rather see how much you can get away with as little as you can do. Because the sleep, and I'm sure you're familiar with this, you work in medicine. So I'm sure you've seen the statistics on swing shifts and this kind of schedule on the human body. It's a tremendous stress.

Exercise is another stress. So you have to consider that. So it's like when my son was the first six months of his life, I'm not training like an animal in the gym. My body can't handle it, and my body's just not going to respond. So take it that way. Now, if you do this with MAPS and a BALLAC, what you literally do is you're not looking at a seven-day cycle

like most workouts, right? Because it'll give you the option of two workouts, or three workouts, foundational every week. Literally just do one foundational workout when you do that second day after your shift is up. And then the next foundational workout is the next time it's up. And don't worry about a monthly or weekly schedule the way it's broken up. Yours is obviously very different. So just do it, do it like that. And then I'd love to get some feedback From you to see how your body, you know, feels and responds. Yes. I was good. Appreciate that. No problems, Jack. Thanks for calling in He's a Lego maniac. He just he just came off of one of the shifts. It sounds like

I tell you what dude one of the hardest to help bro If you read the statistics on shifts like this, the it's like a carcinogenic They're cancer risk is yeah goes up like they smoke cigarettes, their heart disease risk goes up, their diabetes, I mean, it's a huge, and so the less than of this stress that your trainer adds by telling you all those things. We just want to move you out of that schedule. Yeah, it's already straight down. Well, you know what, look at cells in that numb really.

You know what, trust out. So I've trained a lot of people like this, and you know, it's funny, they tend to have, this is, they're attracted to this kind of work, right? So I've trained ER lot of people like this, and you know it's funny, they tend to have, they're attracted to this kind of work, right? So I've trained ER doctors that are just insane. And I literally have to say this to them because their mentality is, go, go, go, go, no matter what. All I can do is push through.

Yes, and I'm like, no, you can't, you're gonna hurt yourself, this is totally bad for you. And because they're in medicine, sometimes the statistics tend to help. So that's why I do a little bit of the fear, type of stuff with them. But I mean, you can, you can progress. You just got to remember it's another stress you're adding in your body.

And you're probably almost at your limit. So it's not much that you can, you can, I mean, I love the idea of a one hard training session in the middle, like you said, timing that, right? So whatever the breakdown is, the middle day after you've got a nice, recovered day of recovery rest from that long shift. And then on the other days, and it could be all the days, because it's so light,

you could do these light band works, band work, or suspension trainer, one of the other, or both I'd have access to, and then I would be like, okay, I mean, the way I train is I get after it really hard, this one day, and that's my full hour and a half routine where I do the full body. And then the other two to three days, it's this real light kind of band work or body weight

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