Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1671: The Top 3 Muscle Building Factors, the Ideal Amount of Water to Drink Daily, Building More Muscle By Taking Time Off & More
Episode Date: October 27, 2021In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the top 3 training techniques for building muscle, how much water to drink daily, whether a week without training i...s beneficial, and if knee sleeves are necessary. The underrated benefits of the sled drive. (6:13) Eugene Teo stirring up controversy once again. (9:29) Shout out to the #Strongwomendeadlift participants. (19:26) Donald Trump is launching his new social media platform. (21:41) Ned has knocked it out of the park with their new destress blend. (28:31) The top social media app for in-app purchases may surprise you. (31:12) Tonal is partnering with LeBron James. (33:51) Ben Greenfield is NOT a shit talker. (37:52) Hot new product alert from Caldera. (40:43) You can still get in on the Mind Pump x NCI Mentorship Coaching calls. (43:47) What is going on with Belcampo? (50:39) Fun Facts with Justin: The theory surrounding the Garden of Eden. (54:23) Astrological signs and vaccines, yes, they are connected. (58:04) #Quah question #1 – What are the top 3 training techniques for building muscle? (1:02:07) #Quah question #2 - How much water should you drink daily? (1:07:19) #Quah question #3 – Is a week without training beneficial, or will I lose muscle? (1:13:50) #Quah question #4 – Are knee sleeves necessary for powerlifting? (1:16:02) Related Links/Products Mentioned October Promotion: MAPS Anabolic and NO BS 6-Pack Formula – Get Both for $59.99! How To Do The Sled Push The RIGHT Way! (AVOID MISTAKES!) – Mind Pump TV Joe Defranco’s Top 5 Ways To Develop Explosive Power Mind Pump Store Donald Trump launching new social media platform, TRUTH Social - ABC News Visit NED for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Muscle Building Myths Busted: What Works & What Doesn’t For Lifelong Muscle, What Fitness Trends Actually Work, Desert Island Workout Routines & More With Mind Pump’s Sal Di Stefano. Tonal Announces LeBron James as an Investor and Brand Partner Mind Pump #1572: Is Tonal Worth The Money? With Aly Orady Visit Caldera Lab for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout for the discount** Mind Pump x NCI Mentorship Coaching Bay Area based Belcampo shutters all its California restaurants Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer! Leos are most likely to get vaccinated, say Utah officials. Is it written in the stars? Visit ZBiotics for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Exercise dosing to retain resistance training adaptations in young and older adults Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Joe DeFranco (@defrancosgym) Instagram Eugene Teo (@coacheugeneteo) Instagram Ben Greenfield Fitness (@bengreenfieldfitness) Instagram Jason Phillips (@jasonphillipsisnutrition) Instagram Jordan Shallow D.C (@the_muscle_doc) Instagram Max Schmarzo (@strong_by_science) Instagram Cory Schlesinger (@schlesstrength) Instagram Layne Norton, PhD (@biolayne) Instagram
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Alright, in today's episode, we answered some fitness and health questions
that were asked by listeners just like you.
But the way we opened the episode was with an intro portion
where we talked about fitness and studies on nutrition,
current events, we brought up some of our sponsors.
Today's intro was 52 minutes long.
After that, we got to answering the fitness question.
So here's what went down in today's show.
We opened up by talking about sled drives,
how beneficial they are for lower body, muscular
development and performance, and they're so underrated.
And we talked about why they're underrated and why they shouldn't be.
Then we talked about our good friend Eugene Tao.
He's posting more great information on social media.
He's listening right now.
We need to kind of counter a little bit sometimes, but he's a lot of fun, real smart guy.
Then we talked about the strong women deadlift t-shirts that we're selling.
By the way, we love the videos that you ladies are sending in.
I see.
Keep them coming.
Pregnant women deadlifting in there.
I've seen advanced women deadlifting beginners.
I love this strong women message.
It's so cool.
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By the way, some of the proceeds are getting donated to breast cancer awareness.
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Donald Trump, starting his own media company, I think we called this a while ago.
We knew this was going to happen.
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Looks like he got China's permission
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You know, he interviewed me and he's a great guy,
but boy, does he have a, he does not know how to talk shit properly.
Ben, you gotta work on that.
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Justin, I gotta give you some props right now.
Oh, finally.
Yeah, I got, I'm just kidding.
No, you know what, dude?
One of the most underrated pieces of equipment,
for sure, or as the sled.
Yeah, I did.
I've been trying to tell you guys.
I know, dude, and I really never used it
as part of my routine until I met you.
And then more recently, I've used it more regularly.
And it's underrated because I always thought of it
as like an athletic tool.
And I always known the value of it for performance.
I mean, Joe DeFranco has talked about this for years.
How it improves sprint speed and athletic performance. And you know, I'm not a big, you know, I'm not in the sports guy
like to develop muscle and be strong. So I never really thought of it in terms of building muscle
and and that kind of stuff. Man, it's great for that. Oh, yeah. It's really good for that. Yeah,
you know, the other thing is good too is when it comes to aches and pains, not only is it like feel like one of the safest things
for my joints, it actually makes my aches and pains go away.
Yeah, that's what I noticed too,
and I had clients that had a hard time squatting,
and we're kind of working through the rehab of that.
Like I could always take them over to the sled
and have them drive it forward,
just that concentric contraction,
you know that continual contraction of them
just moving
and it's such a functional movement
that you're gonna replicate in daily life.
So it's like one of those things,
it's just like, it has so many benefits
and translates to so many things.
Yeah, well, is that because it's so heavily focused
on the concentric portion, there's no eccentric portion?
And is it the eccentric portion of like the squat
and things that really stress our joints more than the else?
I think it's that.
I also think that it's such a portion of the squat and things that really stress our joints more than anything else. I think it's that. I also think that it's such a natural movement
for people to walk or drive forward.
So it requires maybe less skill.
Like, okay, this is true.
When I would have my kids work out,
it would take a lot more coaching and training
to teach them to do like a lunge
than it would be just to push the sled.
That's a good point.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, I mean, because it follows like the crawling patterns.
Yes, right?
You learn how to crawl really, really early.
So your calves are involved, everything.
So the other day, it was like two weeks ago, I came in.
And you guys know when I have, when my older kids are with me,
I don't have a lot of time to work out, come in.
Sometimes I have a very short period.
Well, this particular morning, I came in
and I had to start at 8.30, so I literally had 15 minutes
to work out my legs.
I loaded the sled, dug saw me, and I drove the shit out of it for like eight minutes.
That's all I had to do.
The next workout I was stronger.
Eight minute sled workout and I got stronger the next day.
And then I noticed it helps.
I've been working a lot on left to right balance and symmetry.
And I feel like it's helped balance out my strength
on both sides because of, I guess the way you're split.
Yeah, so you're driving one leg and then you're split
and you're driving the other leg,
so you're alternating as you're going
and you're getting that constant muscle tension
the entire time, which is something that has its own value.
Bodybuilders talk about this all the time
in terms of like muscle tension
and what kind of hypertrophy benefits we get from that.
And it does all that.
I think it's a bodybuilding,
I think it's a great bodybuilding tool.
I really do.
It should be in every bodybuilding gym.
That's the thing.
I got excited when I started to see some of these
grass strips and turf being included into gyms.
I think there needs to be more of that still.
Like, I don't think is enough.
Well, according to our friend Eugene Tao is a complete waste of time for you to work on that.
But what?
Oh, he posted.
Yeah.
I'm, by the way, I'm fucking on to you, guy.
I know what you're doing.
He's listening right now and he's writing notes.
Okay, I'm counting on you.
I'm pretty sure, yeah, because I know he listens to show.
I don't know how often he listens to show But he definitely picks up stuff or that or people are sharing specific things that we talk about that he talks differently
Wow, and he's a smart guy so anytime. Yeah, anytime he does a post
I don't disagree, you know, and people tagged me all the time because I think they think that I disagree with what he's saying
but I
Don't like what he presents right so he's presenting right now the latest post that he did
that kind of seems counter to what we talk about
is addressing imbalances in the body.
Oh, right.
And the case that he makes, which is correct,
is that we do not live in a symmetrical world.
I mean, if you're right-handed, you write with your right,
you eat with your right, if you're left-handed,
you play the guitar one direction,
you wipe your ass one,
and say he did this little funny.
Your liver's on one side of your body.
Yes, yes.
So he did this lip post,
and he was basically kind of mocking that of just like,
you know, trying to be perfectly balanced and symmetrical,
and will never be perfectly balanced and symmetrical.
Which is true.
Yeah, which is true, all that is true.
Now the problem I have with the statement, okay, and presenting's special, which is true. Yeah, which is true. All that is true. Now the problem I have with the statement
and presenting this information is it gives
and you should see the comments.
Yeah, you're amazing.
So smart, you're right, you're right,
you're right, you're right.
And like applauding him and just like,
so and literally, and there's,
and I click on some people,
because I'm just curious,
well, these people look like or what are they doing,
and so on that.
You know, and there's a good amount of them or bodybuilder fit people, probably not a big deal of them.
But then there's some of them that are like average people
that are like, oh my god, I'm so glad I heard this
because I was wasting my time trying to balance out my physique
or work on these in balances.
And I just, what I don't like about that is that,
that's incredibly common, that you see this. You know, it's very common that I would get a client who just on the left side,
they have this excessive pronation in their feet that runs up the kinetic chain,
causes knee and hip issues and low messages.
You don't even need to address it.
Right. And that's a waste of time.
And I know he doesn't believe that.
I know he would never, I know Eugene's a very good coach.
If he saw somebody squatting,
and they had excessive pronation on one side or the other,
he would not address that.
He wouldn't just keep moving through that.
He's smart enough coach to get that.
But when you put out a message like that
that everybody, there's waste of time
trying to become symmetrical
because we don't live in a symmetrical world,
and everybody has imbalances.
You'll never be able to perfect them.
That message, I can't stand that message.
Yes, okay, so here's the key here.
You'll never achieve perfect symmetry,
just like you'll never achieve the perfectly aesthetic physique.
It's the pursuit of symmetry where you get all the value.
So if you notice that one shoulder
doesn't operate like the other shoulder when you're doing a bilateral
exercise, when you notice one side hikes up,
when you notice that one elbow flares out
or one muscle, one side of your body
is more developed or stronger than the other,
pursuing balance, you're gonna get
tremendous benefit from that.
Now if you obsess over perfection,
yeah, of course you're screwed.
That's always gonna screw you. If you obsess over everything being absolutely perfect. But even if we back
up, like symmetry is such an important thing for health and performance that they've identified
that as one of the consistent metrics that people inherently use, maybe unconsciously,
but they use to judge beauty and aesthetics.
When they're trying to find what makes a face attractive,
one of the number one things is symmetry, and they've identified that,
even though there's different cultural norms and all that stuff,
symmetry tells us a lot about health, so is symmetry of movement.
So if somebody's walking and one leg is a quarter inch higher than the other. Even if you don't necessarily
notice it consciously, you will subconsciously notice that something's not 100% right.
So it's the pursuit that makes the big difference. And look, bodybuilding was based on this.
And I know bodybuilding is extreme now, but part of the things about bodybuilding is taking
what we know to be aesthetic from nature. Of course, they exaggerate it, but one of the things about bodybuilding is taking what we know to be aesthetic from nature,
of course they exaggerate it, but one of the things is symmetry.
Right to left and then balance, right, top to bottom.
We know what it looks like when a guy has a very developed upper body skinny legs.
I get the motivation that comes from that from Eugene.
Lane has also been known to come out and talk about this.
Who else do I know that addresses this likes
to come out with this point of view?
And I know what they're doing
because there's also a community of trainers
that use that as like a scare tactic always.
It's all about perfect movement
and everybody's been they assess you,
oh my God, you're fucked up. This is all messed up. And assess you, oh my God, you're fucked up.
This is all messed up.
If you don't hire me, you're gonna die,
and I'm gonna fix you.
So there's a community too that's like around
just too much, yeah, too much, right?
So I know that's kind of their message,
or their mission is to kind of counter that.
Like, and I appreciate Lane and Eugene for doing that.
But, you know, I just think, you know,
our experience is with general population for two decades.
And we've had quite a bit of people
that we've seen in those two decades.
And I can have a very clear idea of, you know,
what I dealt with on the majority.
And I think we all saw similar things.
And that is, most people are fucked up
and have a lot of imbalances,
some that I can't fix,
some that I'll never be able to fix,
but some that I can't address,
and some that I can dramatically improve their life
and their movement patterns
by making them aware of something
that they have exaggerated over years and years
of not addressing,
and that's only going to enhance and make their daily life
and their performance in the gym better.
Yeah, and I feel like, you know,
that other message comes a lot from people
within the professional sports realm
and maybe even the coaches around that community
because you are dealing with the biggest examples
of imbalance that you've ever seen.
And they've compensated their entire life
and perfected that the way that they operate
in terms of like being able to pull off
these incredibly complex movements.
But as far as that goes, like the longevity in their career
and all these other things,
you gotta consider like how do we now sort of work
within those confines and pull them back
even just a fractional percentage
closer to balance. So that way it extends their career.
Bro, you're like the point you're making is so massive. First of all, athletes, especially
at the high level, should never be used as an example of improvement in quality of life
in terms of physical or regular or terrible. I'll never forget this. This is like five or six years in my career.
I trained a senior who was a pitcher for high school
who could throw some serious heat.
He just had to work on how good he was with his aim.
And I mean, you could visibly,
because he pitched for most of his life as a kid,
you could visibly see the asymmetry in his body
because he always threw obviously with his right hand.
Now the body molds itself around what you do.
You know there are little, literal remains of skeletons for medieval times and they know
that they were longbowmen.
Longbowmen in medieval times they were a crazy military position, especially England dominated
the world because they had these massive
bows that required on 100 and something pounds of pulling power.
And they found these remains of these twisted spines and really, really thick, right humerus,
arms, bones and all that stuff because these people trained for it.
So your body will mold itself to what you do.
If you hold your baby on one side, you should get this with female clients, right?
Where I'd have a female client,
she just, you know, she's three,
or your baby's three years old now,
ready to start working out,
and can't figure out why their SI joint hurts
and certain things, which side do you care your baby?
Oh, I'm always on, you know, on the right side or whatever.
Well, your QL is shortening on that side,
everything's stronger or tighter in that particular position,
balancing that out made a tremendous improvement in their quality of life.
So this is an important thing to pursue, but yeah, is being pursuing perfect or obsessing
with perfect a good thing?
No, of course not.
Perfect.
I just think I get very passionate about this subject along with the squatting one that
we've kind of debated a bit.
And it's because I can totally relate.
Like part of why I didn't address mobility stuff all through my 20s is
because I love this message.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This is everybody is.
Why?
Why would I fucking waste my time doing a some bullshit stretch?
I just want to get buff and look good.
And you know what I'm saying?
And it's like everybody is in balance.
So that's such a joke.
And I mean, that was me me like I totally subscribed to that and actually working
on that and working on my mobility and addressing all those imbalances has been one of the biggest
game changers for for my life personally.
So when I see that I get fired up because I'm like I know that you would have got me at
22 you have a 22 year old trainer okay somewhat education know that you would have got me at 22. You're a 22 year old trainer, okay? Somewhat education experience.
And I would have read a post like that
from somebody who at that time, if I was only 22,
you would have totally validated your data.
Yeah, because I would recognize him
as either a peer and authority in my space.
And either way, he articulates his points,
he's right and he's smart.
And I would be like, oh yeah, well, fuck that,
I ain't wearing it out, no more.
I tell you what, you want to test this out yourself?
Just train for a month unilaterally, 100%.
Try that yourself.
Watch how you feel at the end of that month
when you go back to your bilateral exercise.
If you're not blown away, then I don't know what to say.
I think everybody would trip out just for four weeks.
Four weeks of training unilaterally,
start with your weak side.
Let it dictate what the strong,
that's the true test.
Yeah, put action playing. And you'll trip out.
Now speaking of strong people and stuff, I want to give a shout out to the strong women,
deadlift kind of crew that we've been doing.
I know we're selling shirts now, right?
And we're donating some of the money.
Yeah, yeah.
This is a breast cancer awareness month.
So I know every one of those shirts, we have two different shirts that I know that choke
in.
She threw them up on the MindPump media thing yesterday.
So you can go to Mindpumpstore.com.
Money's being donated to breast cancer awareness. So we did that this year.
But that, I mean, so great watching these videos.
It's been a fun campaign to watch.
There's women getting strong.
And I love the wide variety of women that are sending in videos.
Yeah. There's beginners that are sending it in.
Yeah. There's very, you could tell very advanced, that was one woman that pulled some weight
that I was like,
300 something pounds.
This is making me feel a little insecure.
There was a pregnant woman that was dead lifting,
that was sending stuff in.
And what a great message.
And it's so like positive.
And it's about performance, not looks, you know?
Super cool.
I'm excited about that side of the business.
We're trying to chokey and I have been spending some time
on that to really try and make that
as a subcategory of what we're doing.
And this was the beginning was to give back first, right?
To do this whole strong one deadlift,
to do the challenge every single month,
give away just for the hell of it,
just to create some good energy around it.
And then I think we're gonna start to carve off
like a separate like a parallel line
and business around that.
And it's going good.
It's going good, I like what I see right now.
It's a great message. That was the idea, you know? And I just think that it's going good. It's going good, I like what I see right now. It's a great message.
That was the idea, you know.
And I just think that it's a good time for it right now
with lifting heavy and dead lifting
and talking about that with both men and women,
but women in particular, I think it's just becoming
really popular for women to do movements like that
really heavy.
Well, I mean, I have a daughter, okay?
And I know how media
Advertises to women. I know what women consume and
Purchase and a lot of that message is centered around
beauty and pretty and sexy and I want I would love for my daughter to see
Strong be strong be you know lift things that are heavy and feel physically strong,
just kind of balance it out a little bit. Like, you know, of course, that could get obsessive too,
but what a great message. I absolutely love it. And the proof in the pudding is the
all the variety of women that are posting and sending us videos is so cool.
Speaking of messaging, did you see Donald Trump's got his starting history?
His social media platform?
We call it a while. Yeah, we kind of knew this was gonna have we called it.
I was called truth.
Socialist.
Part of it.
Yeah, I was like, okay, I know, right?
Everything else is fake.
So now did you know, I don't know if you maybe Doug could look this up for us.
I didn't get a chance to do this. I read the article and I'm, oh, I need to look at that.
It's two companies that he's merging the other,
and both are already on NASDAQ.
So they're already trading.
So it's, so there's,
yeah, yeah, there's opportunity to buy stock in the,
in the companies.
So he's merging two companies that are coming,
forming an entity together.
So it was one immediate company and one's like,
focused on the personal, I believe so. Yeah, I believe so. So I tell you what,
to find the article, it's it lists the two companies and I do know that they are
publicly traded and it'd be really interesting to see where the ticker is at
right now. And if it hasn't already. How long before it gets shut down? Well,
dude, I tell you what, I don't put a ticker on. I don't care where you stand with
whether you like the guy or not. I I don't care. I don't care. I don't care where you stand with whether you like the guy
or not.
I really don't care.
I do find it extremely strange, hypocritical.
Very interesting and a bit conspiratorial, just for lack
of a better term, that the Taliban has an incredible Twitter
presence.
Yeah.
And Donald Trump has been banned for life on Twitter.
These are people that throw gay people off of his tops
His his ban is for life. I didn't know that. He ain't never going back. Oh, it's a life. That's what they said
Wow, he got kicked off all social media. This is a yeah, I knew that but I thought maybe it was until they have they have
They have crazy people on there on on these social media platforms that normally and their lives
These some terrible shit and they're still on them. So it's pretty crazy
Yeah, what does that say there as that is?
Yeah, Trump media and technology group
Okay, so that's the social and then he has the I think the technology group which I don't know exactly with that
Yes, right there. It's a world world where it is right there now is that corporations. Yeah, the media and technology digital
D.W.A.C., digital world. What is that acquisition?
Corp? Yes.
Now look at that. What else do they own?
Tickle. Yeah, well, let's take a look. Let's see what the ticker's
at right now. I'm just curious.
Boy, this is going to be, you know what, though, predictable
because it's a market for media, it's predictable that
their media is going to tailor specifically to this audience.
Of course. I mean, we said this. I mean, it's literally,
we're all we're seeing right now
is the birth of CNN and Fox News on television.
We're just seeing it in the new medium.
Like, to me, it's crazy that we still,
people still watch TV.
All TV reports on now is Twitter
and other social media platforms,
which is so funny to me.
It's like, oh, look who tweeted this at whatever time, you know?
Oh, well, it looks like it's been up for the last year or so,
but it's at $29.
Give me that 30-day run, duh.
Oh, of today, it's up 19 point.
Oh, so give me a, now how many new, like,
laws and sort of,
restrictions you think are gonna come out
or win this launches?
I don't know, dude.
I see, I really, I really think that they're gonna allow it
to happen and it just become
Fox and CNN. We're gonna have you're gonna have Instagram and then you're gonna have Trump truth
Whatever you know how aggressive they're censoring. I just I just picture it like all on a salt of
Hackers like basically trying to
Take that. Well, have you guys have you that's how aggressive it is out there. Are you guys familiar with, I think it's Operation Mockingbird?
Yeah, maybe Doug, you can look that up.
Yeah, where the CIA basically took over,
like all of Hollywood's, like, productions,
like TV shows, like, they had control over the game.
Well, that wasn't a conspiracy that was proven?
No, it was proven. It was proven.
It was an operation where they would put in implants into media
To influence the public because media so powerful. Oh, you saw that. Oh, but they but they left. Yeah
They were out. Oh, yeah, we just controlled the budget. You guys caught us. We're out of here like operation like operation
Yeah, we researched UFOs. We found nothing anyway
You see the Joe Joe Rogan's going hard right now, huh?
What's up? I we have a little side bet on the outside of mind pump on here of what if he's gonna get canceled or not
Right you feel like he's going to huh? He's under the wall of Spotify. I feel like he's been emboldened by that
That's why you're starting to kind of hear his true opinions coming out. Yeah, I like you know
I appreciate Rogan. He seems pretty fearless with his opinions,
which is pretty good.
Well, I saw the fight.
You saw the Pfizer world.
Well, he did, right?
Well, I brought you by Pfizer.
I brought you by Pfizer.
I brought you by Pfizer.
I brought you by Pfizer.
I brought you by Pfizer.
Hi.
I haven't even watched see it's a thing.
I like to go sometimes and just watch mainstream TV,
just to kind of see what kind of like just
information people are absorbing.
So I know what to think when I'm talking to somebody.
You know, so yeah, to see all those ads for Pfizer,
I was like, why do they even need ads?
They got the market cornered.
Who's like, Moderna doesn't even have any advertisement anymore.
Look at this, some facts on Operation Mockingbird.
So Operation Mockingbird indicates the CIA's involvement
in the manipulation of the news published
in the United States and across the world.
Today one can identify such manipulation with fake news.
Operation Mockingbird commonly refers to the CIA's involvement
in journalism during the 1970s.
The CIA bribed students as well as established journalists
and reporters to write a CIA version of the events.
Yeah, and then at the last as it says the CIA admitted their manipulation of mainstream media in order to change the American people's mind.
Wow, wow. I mean, look, yeah, what between that and agent provocateurs and all that?
I tell you what, okay, this is now you there's no conspiracy here, okay?
What the trigger that got us into Vietnam
Look up the Gulf of Tonkin admitted that that was bullshit
Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Mm-hmm never found any
Yeah, there's a you know, those are just two like you need an enemy in order to like move your
Agenda floor. Yeah, and now this whistleblower quote unquote whistleblower for social media
came out this woman. She's pushing for stronger federal oversight of all social media which I
smelled right away. I was like wait a minute. Yeah. Why is this whistleblower in front of Congress
and getting all this media? Well, what if that too is it's a Justin's point that you know, she
knows Trump is coming down the pipe with someone and it's really to set that up to get the legal ability to go in there and do that.
I didn't even think about that. So maybe you are ripe, bro. Maybe they're going to go hand on it.
Well, I just, it's like, it's so dangerous.
You know, like according to media, so it's a course, like they're going to come, come
out of it with like everything they got. Otherwise, it's going to be a real problem.
Yeah.
Cause he's gonna like try and undermine everything else
on the news.
Dude, I tell you what, the shit stresses me out.
Yeah.
You know what, I'll tell you what though,
speaking of stress, like that transition.
Yeah.
I do.
I like appreciate it.
What did you guys think, because I think Ned hit it
out of the park.
Oh, the new cinnamon one.
Yeah, what's the name of that, does it de-stress or?
De-stress.
Okay. What did you guys think about that?
I loved it, but I only got the little sample.
So I only got what is it?
I had three samples in it or whatever.
So I already took it.
I liked it.
So CBG and CBD.
So CBG is the, what they call a parent cannabinoid.
And it's got really, it's got documented, relaxing effects.
Not sleepy effects, but calming effects.
Yeah.
And then in there, they've included other things like
Ashwaganda, which is well documented,
of course, to help with stress.
So I've tested this out.
So I had four bottles, and I've tested it out each time.
And then I wait about 45 minutes to see if I notice anything.
They have crushed it.
They've completely knocked it out of the heart.
Are you combining it with anything you do?
Nothing, by itself.
By itself.
And I notice, like, all of a sudden become,
it's not sleepy, it's different than their sleep,
their sleep blend will knock me out.
Like that's gonna make me go, I can't lie.
Well that's good, yeah, because I was gonna say,
like, because it does calm me down,
like especially with like mellow or like even the regular
CBD oil, but to have it not actually promote like a sleepy.
No, their're sleep formula.
Like if I take this, I'm not gonna drive after
because I'll get like, I'll make me groggy.
This right here, it's like I had this like Zen,
that's it, it was a Zen feeling.
I tried it four times.
Do you know?
I gave some to Jessica, same thing, she knows the same thing.
Do you know how much Ashtonanda is actually in it?
I don't.
And I don't want to.
I mean, I think you've talked about this before
because I know we have a couple products
that have Ashtonanda, but I also feel like that's become one of the most popular things
that people just throw in everything.
And is it a dose that you actually would feel?
And how much sal do I need to take in order for it to really have a...
The main component of what's causing you to feel what you're feeling from it is the
CBG ratio to CBD.
The Oshwaganda is in there in a efficacious dose, but it's as a support.
So it's not the main player.
Oshwaganda definitely has got great stress relief aspects, but it's not a cute.
So when I take Oshwaganda, I don't necessarily notice something right away, but if I take it
over time, I notice it.
The CBG that's in there, I do notice it.
Like I said, 45 minutes later, and I'm like,
and I feel like I just meditated.
I took it before podcasting, so that's how I've used it.
So every time I've done it, I've done it
and I've done it before we did a show,
and it's, I definitely, it gives you, like you said,
that kind of chill.
I don't feel sleepy from it.
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, and I'm excited to have my,
because my parents were like totally sold
on the normal head, excuse me, a hemp oil product that they have.
So I'm excited to have my, especially my dad, try it out.
Yeah, yeah.
No, you know, we were talking about social media platforms.
You guys know what social media platforms have the most
in-app purchases that are not video games,
because video games trump every all of them.
But what social media platforms generate the most revenue
in-app, like, so in other ways ways when you're using that platform buying buying stuff
Oh, that's like a question. Yeah, what do you think the top three are? I know not video games, huh? Yeah
One of them I had no idea tick tock no tender is number one wait what yeah buying in tender. Yeah
Yeah, I
Don't upgrade the I don't know I't know. I'll take the hand job. I
don't know. I had no like that one was like totally left feel for me netflix
which also I thought okay what I never bought anything while using that. That's why I'm like
confused maybe because there's ads that hit you if you're watching from your phone then you
jump from there so that's included in that okay and then YouTube is third YouTube is YouTube makes
sense YouTube makes sense to me right because all the ads
And if you on that and they're three billion but that what surprised me with the two above them
So I was reading an article on Netflix about it or me excuse me on YouTube and they had just surpassed the three billion dollar
Mark of in-app purchases and it said it was they said there are the third place and all social media platforms besides video games
And I thought well, what's one in? What's above YouTube? And tender and Netflix?
Tender, what do you mean?
What do you mean tender?
I mean, that really has my real skills.
Well, what I think it is, okay, because what I think
of the thing, what I think it is is this,
tender and Netflix are arguably the only two platforms
I can think of that make people maybe spending more time
on than YouTube, okay, right up there with YouTube.
And it's counting anything that gets thrown at you ad wise and you jumping over from that.
So I'm assuming that if you have a, because you need a subscription for Tinder, Andrew,
I feel like you should know this better than anybody.
He's been committed for that.
He's a young guy.
He's a young guy.
Tinder is like, do you know how Tinder works?
I don't want to get you in trouble with your wife right now.
He's like, well, my friends are told.
Yeah. Oh, your profile still up there, but it's basically like it's free,
but you can subscribe to a gold subscription, which you pay mostly for. Uh-huh. And you
get more exposure. Okay. So they kind of promote your profile a bit more than that. You
can also buy coins. I'm reading about right now. Coins. Yeah. And the coins, let me see,
the coins will be a way for Tinder
to monetize non-subscribers
by allowing them to make ad hoc or one time purchases.
And then of course the subscriptions.
Well, like, okay, that's interesting.
You're going through, like,
you may also want condoms.
Yeah.
It's like, thanks.
No, it's just extra features.
And I'm not quite sure what that means
if you get more communication ability.
I know, isn't that interesting?
And stuff like that.
I had no idea.
Oh, you know, I just thought of something too that I have to try and admit anytime I'm
probably wrong, right?
So I admitted to being wrong about Jim Sharks.
Is this the robot thing?
No, I'm not.
I'm all in on that.
I'm all in on that.
It tells robots doing one of your guys' additions.
People can be sending me these stuff.
The hand helps. I ain't got like, washers, everything.' additions. People are sending me these stuff. The hand helps me.
I ain't got like, washers, everything.
Stupid plastic thing, I thought so and stuff.
I'm getting, I get hit all the time now, right?
People love to send me that stuff and I just laugh
when I see it.
Robo's gonna kill people before we finish this.
We did that episode and we had,
what's the guy's name right now?
I can't think of the CEO of Tonal.
Oh yeah.
I can't think of his name right now.
But great guy.
You see that they signed LeBron James.
I do.
Oh, that's a big deal.
Huge, too.
Yeah.
You know what, though, and there's the...
I mean, of course, part of me that irritates me
is because I know I'm wrong, because obviously,
they're going to go, right?
Because, I mean, you get, name me a company or a business.
This would be an interesting fact to find.
Find me a company or a business that's would be an interesting fact to find. Find me a company or a business that signed
with like the most famous athlete in the world.
It failed.
Yeah, it failed, right?
I mean, that.
Whoever signed with Michael Jordan did not.
Right.
But you know what I think of right away?
It's just like, this motherfucker's never used a tonal
in his life except for that commercial.
Like, and you, all these kids are at the back.
One of the best people.
You know, he's all jacked ready to go.
Yeah, get out of here.
Oh, frickin, he does not do that.
I know who his trainer is in that the stuff they do.
There's no fucking total in their gym.
That's huge.
No, no.
The thing I liked about the CEO of Tonal
was his stance on resistance training.
He totally understands resistance training.
It's not his.
Which I thought was tremendous.
He wasn't like the typical like.
You know, I like him.
I like his mission. I'm, and I'm pro. No, I like him. I like his mission.
And I'm pro tonal, by the way.
I know it don't sound like it.
I don't think it's the answer.
I don't think it's something that I would use.
I think if you're a avid gym goer,
also probably not the greatest thing ever,
but I do think it's going to introduce
a lot of people to strength training that may or may not have ever
gone down to a gym and signed up at golds or 24-hour fitness,
but would put this, that can afford it, right?
Because it's definitely a different demographic
we're going after here, $4,000 a piece of equipment
with a what, a $30 or $50 a month subscription,
and ain't cheap, you know?
You can build a whole entire at-home gym
for cheaper than what that thing costs,
but, you know, if you're the kind of engineer guy
or whatever and you're into techy stuff and-
You know, it's funny, if they can get,
and this is a tough one, but if they can get,
you know, their image is more tech than fitness,
people will spend the $3,000.
People spend shit like that all time on tech.
Yeah.
It's when you think of something as fitness that you won't.
Like people, they bulk at $25 a month for a membership.
But if you're telling them like it's the latest technology
and it's offering all this other stuff,
then I could see how they might be able to do that.
Because people will spend money on it.
They're going hand though, I can't imagine what, maybe you can find the Doug.
How much did LeBron get paid for tonal?
I'm carrying so much.
I've got paid for this.
That's got to be big money.
You do get to get your show it out.
Got to be huge money to get somebody like that.
Or maybe a percentage.
Or yeah, exactly.
You got to even have the money.
Yeah, equity.
Equity.
I would wonder if they would do give them equity.
Yeah.
Does it say does?
If I was LeBron, I'd want to.
I've not seen it, but it looks like the company's valued
at 1.6 billion now.
No.
Well, oh, wait, is that less?
Wasn't it two billion when I made that post?
I don't recall.
I thought it was one billion.
No, I thought, well, let me look.
I actually wrote it in my post.
And I know I, I thought they took on like 400 million
and then they were valued at two billion
or was that a different company we were talking about.
Because remember, I did the, is it,
you guys think it's overrated, underrated?
Got into that big old thing with with our buddy
Yeah, I could have sworn one. Oh, would you say it's that Doug?
1.6. Oh, six same same valuation. Oh, so they just kept that same. Yeah, so it's holding it's not a public company
So I don't know I mean, I don't even know if they have to disclose how much Lebron got paid all right
They that could be a secret it says he invests in at home fitness startup
I see there you go
He has an ownership interest.
That makes sense.
That makes perfect.
As soon as best interest to promote it,
it'd be the face.
Absolutely.
Well speaking of fitness and influencers and stuff,
you guys hear the interview that Ben Greenfield did
with me, where he had the head.
Yeah, yeah.
You mean how Justin and I will come together,
maybe you'll put a coloring book together?
Oh my boom roasted good one, Ben.
So in our private.
40 says when I beat him up the next time I see him.
People in our forum.
I do like that nerd.
Yeah.
Such a nerd thing to say.
I feel like if he was about to beat me up, he'd push a button and like a machine would come out
of his skin or something.
Someone on our forum was like, man, you know,
it was great interview, but like,
it was really awkward the way he was like,
trying to like poke fun and stuff.
And I was trying to explain to them in the form,
because Ben, we all know Ben, he's a good guy.
He's a great guy.
I love Ben.
Very good guy, good dad, nice guy.
I still punch him on his face.
I know.
But he's gonna go up and then give him a newbie. Here's the thing, yeah. I know. But you're good, but then give him a newbie.
Here's the thing, I know you guys know,
remember this in high school, right?
There was always that one guy in your group,
and you know, guys razz each other.
That's what we do, right?
We have a good time fucking with each other,
but there's always that one guy that doesn't
quite understand the intricacies of talking shit,
and he goes too far or says something a little bit like,
you know, like, oh damn bro, you're so fat.
Ha ha ha, we all laugh, he's, yeah, that's why your mom's an alcoholic and everybody bit like, you know, like, oh damn bro, you're so fat. Ha ha ha, we all laugh.
He's, yeah, that's why your mom's an alcoholic.
And everybody's like, whoa.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You went too far.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's bam.
He just had to do it, you know what I mean?
He kept saying about me coming across the,
out of boat and starting, starting my pizza shop.
Yeah.
Like, come on, dude, that's a little too,
come on bro, let's do this.
And as you get locked in your room and read books.
Oh, sorry. Dude, wait, you don't get a shit. Well, you know, I'm not a talk shit. Hey, speed of that. I mean, you, you do. This allows you to get locked in your room and re-buck. You know, you don't get a solution.
Well, hey, speed it up.
I mean, you got to wonder, social awareness
is such an important attribute, right?
And I think that, you know, what we just went through
the last two years or whatever I thought,
I wonder how many kids are gonna, you know,
when you're raising a bunch of bins.
You know what I'm saying?
You know what I'm saying?
You know what I'm saying? It's the don't say anything. It's the pandemic.
It's the pandemic.
Hey, cause talking about the pandemic.
You're talking shit on lines, different than talking shit in real life.
You know, it's a different, it's a whole different ball.
When that machine is gonna put lights in their P hole and coffee animals.
Listen, when you're, when that much of your brain is like tuned in one direction,
something else has got to give, bro.
Like he's a high performance thinking machine.
So he's not gonna know the intricacies of social
being action is good as you think it is.
No, he's got his thing down.
Like if I didn't know,
but I'm dumb or do.
Like if I didn't know Ben and I met him within five minutes
I would know right away like he's a really smart weird guy. I would take a five minutes to figure that out
But yeah, I agree. It was hilarious as he was doing it
I'd laugh and you can hear my laughter though. I'm like
Stop
Stop doing that
Anyway, so I think we should focus the camera in on your skin right now because it's glowing.
Oh, look how nice it look.
Did you use the mask?
No, I had a lot of things.
Okay, so Caldera just came out.
So I have the three thing.
Are you using them all?
Those three I have been for a while now.
But that's the serum, the face wash, and then the, what's the other one called?
I always forget the name.
It's a cream of some sort.
Don't act like you don't know.
I know you fucking.
I use it.
I just recall the name.
It's playing dumb right now.
I'm not.
Moisturizer.
Moisturizer.
There it is.
There you go.
And it does work.
No, no, 100 amazing.
And so they actually email Katrina the other day about,
hey, could I get a video of Adam doing the whole thing
with the mask and they said, mask, what man?
I don't have a mask and I didn't realize
they have now a new product.
And so I got it, but I haven't used it yet.
I just don't know how I feel yet about that.
It's not a peel off mask.
Yeah, it's a...
No, not peel off.
So there's different kinds of masks.
It's gonna have the whole white...
Yes, but then you rinse it off.
So it's not the one that you peel off.
I mean, yeah, but still I gotta walk around the house
with the scary kid.
Boop, put that on the cucumber.
Listen, I'm the guy who paints a toenail,
I'm the guy who does like that weird,
I mean, I'm the closest out of us
who's probably most likely to do that.
But I'm not ready if I'm sure,
I'm not sure if I'm ready to cross that.
I'm cool with it.
I mean, I'll do it. Do it, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey not ready if I'm sure, I'm not sure if I'm ready to cross that. I'm cool with it. I mean, I'll do it.
They're shaving your game, huh?
No, not at all.
Well, you're always working on making the face prettier
in your step-per-day, you know?
I can speak to that.
Your skin is really clear right now.
What do you attribute that to right now?
What do you think you've done different?
Well, I'm diet is a large thing.
I mean, I had a skin issue a couple of years back.
Virgin's blood.
You can even have alcohol.
Okay.
Enough with the blood talk.
I got it.
There is no blood down here.
You're a vampire.
We already started talking about CIA.
Okay, we're gonna calm down.
What's stress?
Do you think stress up or down?
I'm sure stress had something to do with it.
I think it was mainly gut issues.
Yeah, that's right.
And then I went on to a of an anti-histamine diet
for a long time.
Took a lot of different Ayurvedic supplements.
I was gonna say you saw an Ayurvedic expert.
Yeah, what were the foods that they had you avoid?
Well, histamine foods.
I mean, that includes avocado, banana, spinach,
chocolate, yes, like sardine.
There's a lot of foods that have histamines
that I had no idea about.
A lot of things I love.
I didn't even know, but say, well, go again,
sorry I interrupt to you.
Banana, what else?
Spinach, avocado, like any smoked type foods,
chocolate, wine, dark chocolate.
Oh yeah, all the things I was pounding all the time.
Oh wow.
Like kombucha, right?
I basically was drinking like two bottles of that a day.
Chocolate pounder.
And here's the thing, all the things I thought
were super healthy for me.
At some point, they're not healthy for you
when you do too much of it.
So I think moderation is always the key.
So I had to cut out basically all the things
I loved for about a year.
Doug, actually, I did mean to ask you since you're already talking.
You were on the coaching with Jason Phillips and the trainers yesterday, right?
Yes.
So how did it go?
It goes great.
I mean, Jason's really good at driving the show.
Oh, you had Jason this time?
I had Jason, yeah.
Oh, okay.
I figured, you know, he probably made sure he was on because I needed the extra help.
Oh, please, I don't think that's the thing about Jason is he's very sharp guy.
Yeah.
And the way he breaks things down, I mean, he knows this stuff.
And so we had a great conversation.
Yesterday, we kind of talked about, you know, what is it about mind pump and building a
community that we've been so successful because we have a very strong community.
And it was an interesting conversation. And for people who don't know, so what we do is one so week, one of us is on with Jason Phillips or one of his partners and they're coaching class for
trainers and coaches. So I'll get on or Doug will get on or Justin and Adam and there's
anywhere between, I don't know, 50, 100 or more people on there and there are coaches and trainers and they're asking
us questions directly.
We're covering a particular topic and here's what I notice because I know we alternate,
right?
I notice that the trainers are, they seem to be growing each time I get on.
The questions are changing and people are progressing with their
business. Have you guys noticed the same thing? Yeah, I'm one of the, I mean, what I'm really enjoying
about it is the feedback, right? So one of the things that off-air we talked about well before we
even decided to go into this venture with Jason was, I mean, obviously, if you've listened to
the show for a long time, you've heard us come out and talk shit about masterminds and things like
that. And not because you can't find one that has a value, it's just you've listened to the show for a long time, you've heard us come out and talk shit about masterminds and things like that.
And not because you can't find one that has a value,
it's just that it's like the new hustle that everybody's doing that.
And this kind of originally, when we first talked about felt like,
oh, is this going to be something like this?
And the concern that all of us had was listen, like, I don't want to do it.
I don't want no part of it unless the people that are going through it are just
blown away with value that they feel that way.
And when pricing it at $100 a month,
which is not one person in this room would charge that
for them to talk to one of us for an hour, right?
So it's under that price and you get all four of us,
plus Jason plus his team every single week
talking on the Zoom and you have the floor to ask
whatever you want, we do.
I end up, a lot of times I stay over
and answer like if Jason's got questions coming in,
I'll be like, I got time, keep it going, you know what I'm fine.
So I'll keep answering if they keep firing questions
and it's everything from business to being a great trainer,
scaling, you need to be social media,
like you name it all things that you would want to know
on how to build a business as a person.
You know what, maybe to a fault, one thing I noticed about Jason
is he really wants to deliver to a point where,
I remember one time there was a young lady
to ask the question and seem like she was struggling
with taking the next step.
And without going into too much detail,
he's like, I will personally guarantee this
and I will personally help you with this
if you make this choice, give it 30 days.
And I mean, the guy manages so many people.
So I say to a fault because I don't know how much of his time,
I mean, the guy lives and breathes this.
But I guess that's what it takes, in my opinion,
if you're gonna do something like that,
that's what it takes for me to think this is a good thing.
Yeah, he has a guarantee that he does it.
I didn't know this until after we had started.
We had launched the last time he was here
and he told me that, like he does it way,
and then he for sure checked me
because I don't remember exactly how he structures,
but if I remember correctly,
it's half up front for the year of coaching with him,
he does not make you pay the other half
until he gets your business up to $10,000 a month.
Yeah.
That is crazy to me.
I mean, that would have like,
you got me, like, seven, eight years ago,
if I was doing this on my own,
and I was like, somebody told me that they guarantee me
to do that, and I only got to come up with half up front,
and then the other half, I'm after I get to that.
I just think there's been a lot of examples of that
within three months.
A lot of these, these people that have joined in
have been able to accomplish that.
And it's really a cool thing.
It's very tangible.
And he manages it that way.
Well, one of the most valuable things you could do
is a trainer or a coach is have a good mentor.
100%.
I had a good mentor and that I can't even,
there's no words to explain the value that it brought me.
The problem is, and whenever I tell coaches this,
they're like, where do I find a good coach or mentor?
I'm in a gym with a bunch of people
that I don't necessarily want to mentor me or whatever.
I get that, I was very fortunate.
We all started at 24-arfeitness during its heyday,
which I'm gonna, this is true.
I remember, who are you telling Jordan Chalo this the other day?
Oh yeah.
We were with 24-arfeitness.
I started in the late 90s, you started in the early 2000s, but right in that period
You are talking about people who turned that company into the industry leader at one point into something that nobody something that had never
Exist there the first company to ever reach a billion dollars in your right of fitness company right and
This is a true statement now. I can literally I can list off my hand top producers who managed clubs back in the early
2000s, late 90s.
Today, they're all doing different things.
Not one of them is in a millionaire.
From what they learned, working in that business.
And it's all because we were so lucky to have those incredible mentors that we were surrounded
by.
And so having a mentor is really good.
So I know I understand the promise of these
like coaching master classes,
but so many of them are so,
they're like fake false promises, bullshit.
They're praying on people.
This is why we stayed away from them so long.
But so far Jason, he delivers and he sacrifices
a lot of his time and energy to deliver.
You know what spurred that conversation was,
we were actually talking about,
when we first met shallow,
and we were talking about,
schmarzo and Slesinger and him.
All three of them were at the fanfare.
I know, you know,
looking back now at what they're all doing, right?
You got Slesinger who is over
and with the Phoenix Suns as their head strength
and conditioning coach,
you got Jordan traveling the world, creating his own certification and having tremendous
training, professional athletes in the NFL and stuff like that, doing all kinds of stuff.
And then same thing with Smarzo.
I know he's working with all kinds of pro athletes and...
Olympic athletes and his like a top-in training facility.
Yeah, it's insane.
It's crazy to think that they were all under the same roof working for themselves.
You know that happens often.
They've done studies on this where there are particular environments that will create
like tremendous success.
Just because of the vibe, of course, there's a combination of factors that come into play,
the right people.
But I can't think about how we started and where we started.
And I could list names off of people who came out of nothing, came in
started as sales counselors or friend desk people, got themselves up to fitness manager
manager who today are crushed and they will all tell you concentrated pockets of greatness.
Yes, yes, it's really really cool. Speaking of great companies in controversy, what's going
on with Bell Campo? I heard that there's some stuff going on.
So, okay, I was reading the article this morning and it sounds like it's still from that original
you know, little thing that they had in what May it was May, I think it was, and we talked about it
on the podcast, remember, we brought it up, and basically what it was was they sell all their
meat as their meat and they were sourcing it from somewhere else.
And part is that it's grass-fed, organic also, and supposedly, if I'm getting my facts right from what I've read,
they sourced it from another source and maybe not all those things were true as far as.
And so, and I know she came out and did a whole
Apology and it seemed like things were gonna be fine And I actually haven't heard anything since then and then this article came came out today
That says they're shutting down now here's
What I would I think might be happening that happened in May, okay?
And it was handled they you know, I think they fired some people and because it was like, like, I think they
were unaware or something like that was going on.
They, a poll, did a formal apology, moved on from that.
And now they're shutting their restaurant down.
Now for news articles or for getting, you know, clickbait, I think they might be tying
their little, you know, mishap that happened in May to the fact that the restaurants
just shutting down. And there's a lot of restaurants that are
shutting down shutting down right now. And so what I'm
wondering is maybe they are just getting shut down, but as a
writer, professional writer, you know, the controversy they
had five months ago, it's not a lie to say that they're
they're they dealt with that,
and it makes for better like clickbaited.
So that's my speculation on this.
I don't know.
I would agree with that.
I would agree with that.
I mean, the percentage of restaurants shutting down
because of all the shutdowns in COVID through the roof
and a high-end expensive,
and I'll tell you that's a dirty trick
of like journalists to do that.
It is.
Because it's the way they make money.
I will say this. I will say this though, man.
If you hang your hat on a specific point in business,
that could be your strength,
but it could also be your biggest weakness.
It's like if you're like a die hard vegan,
and then it's discovered that you took a sip
of milk or some shit, you're destroyed, right?
Yeah.
They hung their hat on the quality and passed her raise and, you know,
Farmed a table and grass fed and grass finished.
And then they had a supplier that didn't meet their standards.
They said they weren't aware of and they apologized for.
Yeah.
But that because it's like, that was their brand, very damaging.
Yeah.
You know, very, very damn well.
And then especially when you got, you know, people riding and jumping on it on top of that too.
So I don't, I'll send her a text, right?
She's, I think she's really, she seems at least
all the encounters that I've had with Anna, right?
Anna, Anna, Anna, something like that.
And every encounter I've had with her,
she seems genuine and authentic and straightforward.
They have a great reputation with our friends.
Yeah, and I really liked her, you know,
and you know, we, but we have a better relationship with But butcher box. I mean, that's literally one of my favorite partners
and brands that we work with. They've been, and this is not a commercial for butcher box.
It's just we were offered a lot of money from Bel Campo to jump ship and, you know, said
no, because our loyalty towards butcher box and, uh, and so in her defense and what she's
probably going through right now, it seems a little
fishy to me like this is just what makes good news to try and pile on that.
I will say this too, if you're a meat company today and you find there's a, they find a
chink in your, in your armor, they're gonna jump in.
Oh, yeah, yeah, it's interesting.
I was, I was totally gonna try and shoehorn this in with the Caldera commercial.
It totally failed miserably.
But I was thinking about Caldera
because the definition of Caldera,
which is basically like a crater,
volcano.
So when a volcano turns into a fertile crater,
I'm wondering if that has anything to do
with how they've created the name. and turns into a fertile crater. I'm wondering if that has anything to do
with how they've created the name.
I'm trying to tie this into the Garden of Eden story
that I thought, this is my chance.
This is my chance to bring this up.
Are you talking about it?
So, better keep going, this is good
because you talked to me about the South South.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
Okay, there's a conspiracy.
Oh, not really.
It's a theory, right?
Okay, so I've told you guys, yeah, put it on.
Long, like, I've told you guys about,
like I always think back about,
even science brought this up about PanGia
and like how, you know, the creation of the world,
like where we were in terms of like plate tectonics
or that, like we're closer.
So I've never heard this theory before,
like I've heard of like, you know,
if the Garden of Eden was a real place,
some people have attributed it to being somewhere in Iraq
in Mesopotamia and it goes into the Red Sea
where you have the Tigris and you Freides and the Nile
and all that kind of stuff.
It's all right there.
This guy, I think he's named Dan Ayo,
but he has this sort of biblical philosophy,
this sort of theory that he has that he's promoted,
that he's actually attributed it to this place in Tanzania,
which is really interesting because like there's all these
like little facts that he's sort of like placed together
and dots that he's put together with this in terms of like a
global catastrophe of a
media that came
that basically like
was so impactful that it it it
exploded and pushed
the continents like away so you see where the Himalayas are like like
like India actually pushed
like dramatically into that continent,
which then raised those mountains up to where they are
today, right?
It's huge.
So he's saying he knows where Eden was
based off of certain features and...
Certain geological characteristics.
He's all there's an apple tree.
Yeah, there's an egg.
Yeah, well, there's like, yeah, in Hebrew, like in back, you can sort of go back and kind
of trace a lot of these like facts in terms of like the different tribes and like, there's
more descriptions in other books too, describing Eden.
And so like, anyway, the interesting part is that there's still tribes today that talk about this
being the birthplace of humanity.
Interesting.
And so we've also heard science say that in terms of our genetic blueprint, they trace
it back to Africa.
And so in Tanzania, I guess there was this big, huge volcano
at one point in this certain area that's enclosed.
And it describes that Eden was basically enclosed,
had all these animals and all this stuff there.
And then it was high enough to where the rivers
actually started there and then went outwards.
And so it's like, we didn't have all these huge oceans
at that point yet.
It was lots of rivers.
And so the world looked totally different.
It was actually a bit smaller and it rotated faster.
There you go, look at that.
Well, this one's saying Botswana.
Oh, Botswana, huh?
Yeah.
He's wrong.
He's wrong.
Tanzania.
Hey, it's one of those.
Speaking of cool science, maybe this will
help you. This is Adam like this because I know you're a bigger strong. What? I've
been a big scorp you. You want to hear something weird. So the Utah Health Department did some
numbers and this is very strange. Percent of people under certain zodiac signs that are vaccinated. There's a huge discrepancy between.
So let's play, let's play this.
Okay, so which, don't tell us.
Which signs do you think are the most vaccinated
and which signs do you think are the least vaccinated?
Definitely Virgo.
Least are, I'm gonna say, Leo and Scorpion.
Scorpion.
Bro, you literally picked Leo,
which is the most vaccinated and Scorp Leo, which is the most vaccinated,
and Scorpio, which is the least.
So you actually picked the two, the two,
yeah, you opposed it.
Bro, 70% of Leo's vaccinated,
46% of Scorpio's vaccinated.
What a huge difference.
Now, what about the other signs?
Are they all kind of close?
Aquarius is second in terms of vaccination.
And then it goes Aries, Sagittarius, Cancer, Taurus, Gemini, Libra, Pisces, Capricorn,
Virgo.
So I literally picked the two ends of the spectrum.
Yeah, so you know it's weird.
Okay, Virgo, Aquarius, Aries, Sagittarius, and Cancer, all above 55%.
And then the lowest ones are Virgo and Scorpio, 50 and 46, but if you take the top and the bottom
That's a big ass discrepancy. Isn't that weird?
There must be something to do with the planets. There's something in the stars.
Aligning and it's all right. Where do you guys fall in there?
Well, you guys are both the queries. You're both the queries.
You're both the queries. You're both the queries. You're a can't seize the down.
Oh, you know, you know, that's the best match for Scorpio, right?
Oh, is it? That's where we work so well. You guys. Why y' know, that's the best match for Scorpio, right? Oh, is it that's where we work
So why y'all choose the least? Okay, yeah
God
And knock on the door with the fuck I wish you would free with me more than Jesus come on
Hey listen, I am not gonna throw you under the bus, but you had the worst idea of
We will never say what it was, it was so bad.
But I tell you what, if this company ever sells
for a billion dollars, I'll release it.
That should be what people speculate.
I wanna hear people, it's nobody would ever get it.
Yeah, what do you think was Adam's idea?
And I'm just gonna say it now, it was Adam's idea.
It's the worst.
Adam never talk about it.
No, we're not.
We're not. He doesn't know what he's doing. No, the worst. Adam never talk about it. No, no, no. He unmatched his doing it.
No, you're not.
It does do it.
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Our first question is from GeorgieRX.
What are the top three training techniques for building muscle?
Oh, top three most important things you should do to build muscle.
I think by technique, what do you say, what do you mean?
Well, I get, I mean, just say the top three factors, I guess, for building muscle.
The number one in this one is just easy for me
to come up with is just get strong.
I think at some point, just lifting more weight
isn't necessarily important, especially when you come
advanced because there's a limit and then you know,
you also start to get these kind of risk versus reward.
Ratio that starts to tilt more towards risk.
But early on, when I was lucky as a kid
that I had very brief mentoring from some strength athletes
and they literally told me,
if you get strong, the muscle will follow.
If you can squat, you know, twice your body weight,
you're gonna have muscular legs.
If you can bench your body weight,
you'll see a difference in your shoulder's arms and chest.
So number one, when it comes to building muscle,
because muscle does, it contracts.
And if it's stronger, the odds that your building muscle
are quite high.
So that's to be the first part.
I read this question, I was thinking,
well, along those lines of strength,
but I was thinking about building a stable structure.
So having the foundation of, you know foundation of you being in a good alignment,
having getting closer to good posture
and having your body just in a position
where we could add this kind of stress
to then work from there and build on.
So to be able to focus on that specifically first,
so now we can really ramp up the amount of
intensity and load and demand and change the environment around what our body needs to work on.
That's what then we can build and go forward and build muscle.
I would have to say, progress, understanding, progressive overload, and specifically,
the ability to scale volume over time.
I think very few people...
Volume is closely connected to muscle too.
Yeah, absolutely.
So I think that very few people actually track the amount of volume that they consistently
and I think just naturally we all kind of fall or gravitate towards homeostasis in this
kind of natural amount of volume
that you always train.
So maybe you have some good weeks
and then you dip down a little bit,
some good weeks again, then you dip down a little bit.
Over the course of three to six months,
you're pretty much kind of hitting the same amount of volume.
And if you actually just really paid attention and tracked
the amount of volume,
and just incrementally, just a little bit more,
a little bit more, a little bit more over time,
I think you would notice tremendous difference in muscle.
For me personally, that was one of the biggest shifts
in my own programming when I started to come in.
And when I had to, right, when you're competing,
and now there's something on the line,
I had to improve and build muscle after one show after another, also I'm not gonna win, right? So, you know, and I had to improve and build muscle after one show after
another, also I'm not going to win, right?
So, you know, and I had to do that.
And when I did that, it made me really open my eyes about my own pitfalls
or my own like habits of kind of like form.
So I think that a lot of people just do that.
We gravitate towards the things we like.
You have some good weeks for your train really hard, then you have weeks for
you back off naturally.
And when you look at it from like a bird's eye view
and calculate it all, it's like,
oh wow, I pretty much always average about this much
and simply being able to just know how to scale volume,
I think, who is the true.
The true.
I wanna add one more, I know that we said three,
but I'll add one more, which is eating in a calorie surplus
and then eating adequate protein.
Feed the muscle.
For most people, it's not for all because some people have digestive issues in relation
to what I'm talking about.
For most people, eating a high protein diet, as long as you work out, programming is good
and you're getting good sleep, eating a high protein diet has profound muscle building
a bet of effects.
In comparison to, let's say, eating what the RDA says,
you should eat in terms of protein.
And then a calorie surplus.
Like, if you want to add new active tissue to your body,
your body needs building blocks for that.
And if it's not provided those building blocks,
it's gonna be very hard.
You can send all the great muscle building signaling
that you want.
It just can't happen.
It's like having instructions to build a house and you have the workers there ready to go.
And there's no bricks and there's no wood and there's no nails. And so they're left there
saying, we want to build, but we can't. We don't have the building blocks. So I know they
said three, but I wanted to throw that in there. And I think that those, the ones that we
listed are, I mean, Justin, what you said about having a solid foundation and base, you know why that's important?
Because I'm sure some people listening like,
ah, just go work out and you'll be a muscle.
If you don't have a solid base, you're gonna,
at some point you're gonna, early probably,
you'll hit a wall and then you're screwed.
Injury, imbalance, your CNS is gonna identify that you can't,
yet stronger because it doesn't feel very stable.
This is why good coaches always start with that.
That's always the place that you start.
You're never gonna reach your full potential.
Right.
And I think that's, yeah, that's really just why I wanted to address that.
It's just like to be able to have that focus and intention.
First thing, like you're going to reap the benefits later with building muscle.
Next question is from Vane West 4.
How much water should you drink daily?
Is a gallon really necessary?
The gallon number is kind of arbitrary. I don't want to say totally because there's some
stuff to back it, but it's kind of arbitrary that was promoted by the, I guess the muscle-building
community, but I will say this about water, okay? I had no idea as a young trainer, the impact that optimal hydration versus minimal hydration
had on the body.
Like, most people are not, quote unquote, dehydrated.
I hate when they use that word, like, oh, you need more water because you dehydrated.
Well, I'm not really.
You've got enough water to be okay.
But then there's a level that's more optimal.
And what you notice is your skin changes, joint pain often gets affected.
Energy. Energy goes up. This is a big one. This one was, this one really tripped me out. I had clients
where I, you know, luckily I worked with a, a, a health practitioner that was very wellness focused
at one point. This is before I was really into wellness. And I would hear her tell her clients
this over and over again. And then I'd hear the clients come in and say,
oh my gosh, I've got way more energy
because I'm drinking more water.
And I remember the first couple of times I heard it,
it was like, yeah, that's probably something else.
Yeah, that's probably whatever.
After about the fifth or sixth person,
I said, I wonder if there's something to this.
Let me pay attention to water and take with my clients.
And I would do things like have them get a container of water
where they could measure it.
And we would measure out, you know,
between half a gallon to a gallon,
depending on the person and their size.
And I'd say, okay, I want you to make sure
to drink four of these every single day.
So now the person's aware.
And they would come back and say the same thing.
I have more energy.
I feel so much better.
My elbow pain feels a lot better.
No more mental fog.
This has a huge,
this optimal hydration has a huge impact on all that stuff.
I notice for the pumps,
when I work,
I mean, here's a deal.
Carbs,
you know, pre-workout, supplements,
organized, Citrolean.
I mean, you name it, I've tried them all.
Nothing gave me better pumps than just having
a lot of water or adequate water
or optimized water intake before my workout.
So this has a pretty big impact.
I'm glad you set the table like that
because I actually, I get really annoyed by the trainers
that talk shit about this because this is one of those things
very similar to the conversation we had earlier
in this podcast where generally speaking, it's pretty damn good advice.
But you have some of these nerds that want to be, that's not true and based off of their
lean body mass, their activity level, there should be this many ounces based on, it's like,
dude, you obviously haven't trained that many people before because ain't nobody sitting
down and calculating that all out.
And very few people even keep track of how many
glasses they do in the day either.
It's much easier to give a client a very basic goal
or even have them like I like to do.
Carry this gallon around or half gallon
and you have to go through two.
It's, and you're not gonna drown
drinking one gallon of water.
So it's a good goal.
If you come a little bit under this,
it's gonna be a huge difference.
No, it's not.
But in my experience, almost every client ever trained,
didn't drink enough water.
And when we started drinking more water,
we noticed these things.
We noticed skin, we noticed hair,
we noticed these things start to get better.
Also, I even noticed with clients,
like the achiness in their joints and feeling tight,
like I noticed it lubricated their ability to move better.
Like it saw things like that start to go away.
So, and then you talk about pumps,
there's lots of benefits to it.
And then there's this side in the fitness space
that loves to take like this old, old adage
of drink a gallon of water,
and then they want to shit all over it
because the science doesn't support exactly that.
It's like, dude, what you're doing is you're gonna tell,
you're gonna tell a majority of the masses
who aren't drinking enough water.
Oh, it's not a big deal,
because this whole drinking a gallon
is just this made up number.
So I'm not gonna worry about it.
Yeah, the number is arbitrary,
but the focus on it is really important.
It's to be able to be purposeful,
like throughout your day of seeking out water,
like we just know all those benefits that we've been listening
off, it's really, those are substantial benefits throughout your day of seeking out water. Like we just know all those benefits that we've been listening off.
It's really, those are substantial benefits
that you're gonna receive from just like intentionally
trying to increase the amount of water
that you're consuming every day.
And so to have some kind of goal.
So if you can figure that out, like you said,
even as a half gallon or the gallon,
whatever the marker is, you know,
you should be like constantly thinking that
in the back of your mind.
It's when you're not thinking about it.
Now, all of a sudden things start to decline.
And guess what, you know, this is an important part
of training.
Yeah, you know how much it affects cravings
and hunger for some people?
Yeah, that too.
Because they're not drinking enough water.
You know, I would say if you're the kind of average person
and you're working out and you're kind of getting into it,
half a gallon is a nice place to start.
If you eat a lot of protein, you're a fitness fanatic,
you carry a lot of muscle,
then probably more towards a gallon.
Those are general.
Yeah, I mean, I totally, I mean, obviously talking
to 115 pound woman versus a 260 pound man,
of course there's difference for RDA type stuff, right?
But here's the deal.
One gallon is just not a bad,
I mean one gallon is gonna cover most people.
Is it a little more than some people are gonna eat?
Yeah, but are you gonna drown from having,
you know, a half a gallon too much?
No.
So it's not, to me it's good advice.
It's not something you should get freaked out about
if you barely miss your one gallon,
but I think it's a good generic target.
You wanna know what else is funny?
Do you know how many times digest the issues,
especially constipation is solved by drinking more water?
Sure.
Literally.
Constipate, I've had clients where this was,
because I had someone who'd got health in my studio
and they would work on my clients along with me
and I'd do the training and they'd do the other stuff.
And they would tell me afterwards,
what's the recommendation?
And say, well, I'm just gonna start drinking more water.
And I'm like, you know, your constipation issues
have been with you for years.
I know, but they want me to drink more water.
All right, let's see what happens.
And it was like 30% of the time.
It was like three out of 10 people that solved
their constipation issue.
And I remember being blown away by it.
So there's, remember, there's adequate
and there's optimal.
Just like with protein, you know,
if you have about 60 grams of protein a day,
you're gonna be okay, you're not gonna die.
Is that optimal for building muscle and performance?
For most people know, for most people,
it's much more than that.
Same thing with water.
There's, you're probably not drinking too little
to where, you know, shit's going to go wrong,
but then there's optimal in which you'll notice some benefits.
Next question is from Rui Marquez Insta. Is a week without training beneficial or will I lose muscle?
Depends what I'm talking to. If you're like every other week you miss, yeah, you'll probably not
be okay. If you're consistent with your training, losing a week is not a big deal.
In fact, there was a study that we've talked about now
a couple of times where they took people,
they took two groups of people.
One side trained every single week.
The other group did three weeks on one week off,
three weeks on one week off.
At the end of the study,
there were no significant differences between the two groups
in terms of muscle mass or strength, which is incredible.
You're talking about every three weeks someone takes a week off versus always working out.
Now I do think there are other benefits to being consistent, so I do want to be clear.
Moving is just good for you, whether it builds more muscle or not.
There's mental health benefits to it.
There's the discipline aspect of it, where it's probably better to try to be consistent
than to miss time.
So I'm not saying that they're equal in all aspects,
but the question is, well, I lose muscle.
No, if you're consistent and you miss a week,
you're not going to lose any muscle.
If you do, you'll gain it right back very quickly.
In many cases, I think you'll come back stronger
with a little bit more muscle.
I remember when we just, I mean, it wasn't that long ago
when we read that study. I thought that was extremely fascinating. with a little bit more muscle. I remember when we just, I mean, it wasn't that long ago when we read that study.
I thought that was extremely fascinating.
I would have never guessed that.
I wouldn't have guessed that the week off every third week would actually result in the
same amount of muscle as somebody who trained every single day for that, you know, what
was it?
I think it was three month period or whatever.
It was like 16 weeks or something.
Yeah, it was a long, it was a pretty long study and for them to miss that much time,
I thought, I would have thought
there would have been at least a little bit of a decline
but this showed that they were the same.
I thought that was really fascinating.
I guess, I mean, the way you said it's perfect.
If you're somebody who is inconsistent,
that's the only way I'd be careful
about giving this advice to.
If it's a client who I haven't even been able
to streak three months in a row
of training consistently, then I'm probably gonna advise them to streak three months in a row of training consistently.
Then I'm probably going to advise them to not miss as much as they can because they're already constantly missing.
But if you're the fitness fanatic and you're the person who loves to work out and you rarely miss,
not only will the week not hurt you many times, it will actually end up benefiting you.
Next question is from Veggie Lifts.
Are knee sleeves necessary for powerlifting?
Oh, yeah. So there's a different one. If you want to look serious.
So there's a difference between knee sleeves and knee wraps. So I want to first, I want to,
you know, make sure we discern the difference, right? So knee wraps are very tight and create
a tremendous amount of pressure and their springiness in the knee wraps and stability in them.
And you'll add weight to the bar because the wraps are so tight.
And when you put them on, if you put on powerlifting knee wraps right,
it's hard to bend your knee when you have them on.
You can't really sit down with just body weight.
No, it's like adding a little bit of a spring
to especially the bottom portion of the squat.
So we're not talking about that.
We're talking about knee wraps.
And knee wraps are kind of tight,
and they go around the knee.
Do they add, you know, like strength to your knee,
not really, but why can people lift more with them?
We had an interview with Jordan Shallow the other day
that hasn't aired, or maybe we'll air on we are this episode.
But he talks about the different ways
that the brain perceives signals. Pain is one of them, pressure is another
one, and pressure is faster than pain. And my theory now is when you wear a sleeve and
they say it warms up the joints, that's why they don't hurt. I think what's happening
is the brain is perceiving the pressure of the knee sleeve and you're not perceiving the
pain as much. So I wear the knee sleeves. Now my knees feel looser and I feel like I can squat without warming up
as much. I think that's probably what that is. Plus it provides the feedback mechanism back that
there's a bit of more stability within that joint itself. And if that is a conscious psychological
barrier for you going into a squat.
That's something immediately there's gonna be a performance loss
in terms of if I'm dropping down in position,
but I'm very conscious that my knees,
a bit of an issue, like there's a bit of instability there.
Adding more demand, more load to that situation
is gonna get you to, it's, it's going to expose that, that
being the weak link.
So to add the sleeves a lot of times, like psychologically, you know, may help in terms
of like feeling like you're just more stable.
Because thunder vest.
Yes, like a thunder vest or your knees.
I love those.
I mean, I think the short and quick answer to this, are they necessary?
It is, no.
It's definitely not necessary. And in fact, if you can
power lift without any of the tools, and that's wraps and sleeves and whatever they're about belt and
all those popular, I mean, you're better off. I mean, if you can power lift and do well and perform
and without any of those tools, you're going to be better off in real life Then if you have to use all those tools now there's some competitions and powerlifting that allow you to use all these yeah
They allow you to use all these accessories and so if you can and there's an advantage to using some of these then
You've got a thousand pounds. I've probably suggested right right. So there's there's definitely there's definitely an advantage to doing that
But there's actually more benefits to you,
not if you don't have to.
Yeah, I think if you compete and they allow knee wraps
and a belt, then you should train with them
to learn how to use them because you can't just put them
on the average person and expect them to lift more weight.
There's a skill and technique and a comfort and a feel
that you get from using them.
So that's different.
Now, for the average person who's not gonna actually go
and compete in competitions and just wants to work out,
here's why I don't like knee wraps,
or excuse me, not knee wraps, but definitely not knee wraps,
but knee sleeves.
I think it hides the issue
and I think it prevents people from solving the root issue.
So if my knees kind of bother me
and then I put a wrap on and,
ooh, they feel a little better, I haven't solved the problem. You're not really listening to your
body's feedback. No and I would even go as far as to say if you don't solve the problem and you
allow yourself to train heavy because of knee sleeves then the risk of injuries even higher down
the road. Because now I'm pushing through or maybe my body's not perceiving the pain the same,
because of this outside pressure signal,
and I can use more weight,
and now my risk of injury later on
becomes a bigger problem.
Do you think more people use them
because they are trying to tamp down pain,
or do you think more use it because of the advantage
it gives you for the rebound effect?
Well, knee-wrest, knee-rapped sleeves don't give you a ton.
You've ever worn sleeves.
Yeah, yeah.
They're not a huge rebound.
They do.
They do.
Not really.
I mean, what are you gonna add two pounds?
It's not like a wrap.
Like, that's a different ball game.
Actual sleeves are more like, what do they say?
It warms your joints up.
Reduce this pain feels more comfortable.
Sometimes you'll see bodybuilders wear them on their elbows.
If you ever seen them do that.
No.
Because it feels, I think it's just not solving
the cause.
It allows you to push past pain.
And there might be some value in that.
Like I could see like a bodybuilder,
they got the show coming up, like I can't back off.
I mean, I used to, Mike playing around with them.
I never used them consistently.
And I didn't have pain.
That's not why I put them on.
I put them on because I felt it had an advantage
from coming out of the hole.
I mean, see, I get that from the compression pants too,
but they're not compressing so much.
Right.
I think it's really the feedback.
It just feels tight and so you don't get
a whole lot of stored elastic energy.
Yeah, that's not a ton, but I feel like that,
because like a way Jordan was explaining it,
how it communicates the brain,
your CNS probably allows you to perform a little bit better
because of that outside kind of signal.
Yeah, interesting.
But I mean, relying on it and not solving,
like if your back hurts if you don't wear a belt,
so you always wear a belt,
like you're setting yourself up for some problems,
you might want to figure out why the hell your back hurts
in the first place, and that's how I feel about sleeves like this.
Now, if you use a sleeve as a way to allow you to move in a way that solves the root cause,
then now the sleeves are being used in my opinion in a really good way.
Yeah, I think it just, it's become like a thing.
You're a bodybuilder, you wear the weight belt around and you do it with tricep push downs
and bicep curls and you do it the whole entire workout.
You're a power lifter, you've got your knee sleeves either perl, you know, rolled up or you got them hanging down
on your ankles until you go do your deadlift or like that or your squats. It's just a, I think
it's become an accessory as far as like, you know, a payroll. I remember as a kid, obviously bench press
was the exercise. That's the one all the all the guys in high school talked about how much you
do bench. So it's all I focused on was how strong I could get in a bench press because that's
what the bragging rights came from. And I remember at one point, my wrist started to bother
me because I would use a thumbless grip, this kind of like suicide grip they call it.
And my wrist were bothering me. I'm like, oh man, what am I going to do? And then
someone's like, put on, you know, these wrist, what were they, wrist wraps, right? And
they actually went around your wrist,
they were for power lifters and they're tight.
And lo and behold, my wrist didn't hurt anymore
and I could bench more weight.
Well, I never fixed the problem.
Later on as an adult, I'm like,
why do I'm wearing these?
I don't want to wear these more.
I took them off, wrist hurt again.
I had to relearn technique and form.
And then of course, over time, I was able to lift
as much as I could before.
But that's the issue that I see with some of this stuff is they don't solve the problem.
They throw the bandaid on.
They continue to push their body, and then you start to get problems later on that are
harder to solve or might be take longer to solve.
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