Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1684: How to Undo the Damage Caused by a Bad Fitness Coach, Learning a New Skill in the Gym, How to Get Back Into Lifting After a Break & More (Listener Live Coaching)
Episode Date: November 13, 2021In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. The master antioxidant, Glutathione. (5:46) Organifi Pumpkin Spice Gold Juice Lattes > Starbucks Pumpkin Spice La...ttes? (9:30) Have some tea with your sugar. (10:50) Why Mind Pump invests in certain companies. (13:57) Baby Aurelius loves the sled push and how Justin is engineering competitiveness with his football team. (25:54) Mind Pump on the tragedy at Astroworld and the dangers of mob mentality. (31:03) #ListenerLive question #1 – How big of a role does your body shape play in doing certain exercises? (37:49) #ListenerLive question #2 – How can I undo the damage caused by a bad fitness coach and build back my metabolism? (49:39) #ListenerLive question #3 – Is it counterproductive to train for strength on your compound lifts and hypertrophy on isolation exercises? (1:06:30) #ListenerLive question #4 – Any advice on how to reclaim my love and passion for health & fitness after putting my body through multiple endurance events for the past 12 years? (1:16:29) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: live@mindpumpmedia.com November Promotion: MAPS Anywhere and the Fit Mom Bundle – Both 50% off! **Promo code “NOVEMBER50” at checkout** Visit LivON Labs for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Effects of Supplementation with Glutathione and its Precursors on Athlete Performance Eight weeks of resistance training in conjunction with glutathione and L-Citrulline supplementation increases lean mass and has no adverse effects on blood clinical safety markers in resistance-trained males Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “MINDPUMP” at checkout** Visit ZBiotics for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Mind Pump #1682: Bacteria For Muscle Gain, Fat Loss & Health Visit Felix Gray for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Luna Physical Therapy Visit Drink LMNT for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit My Serenity Kids for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “MP20” at checkout** Visit Path Water for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout for the discount** Kobe Bryant estate reportedly gains $400M in BodyArmor sale Visit Vuori Clothing for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! 8 dead, including 2 teenagers, in Astroworld Festival incident The Grim Story of Hells Angels Killing a Black Teen at a Rolling Stones Concert Beastie Boys Story | Apple TV+ MAPS Fitness Performance | Muscle Adaptation Programming System Why The Scale Is Not Always The Best Way To Measure Progress – Mind Pump Blog The Key to Fitness Success is Self-Love – Mind Pump Blog MAPS Fitness Anabolic | Muscle Adaptation Programming System Facebook Forum | Mind Pump Media MAPS Prime Webinar MAPS Prime Pro Webinar Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Justin Brink DC (@dr.justinbrink) Instagram
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Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews.
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Hey guys!
This is Mind Pump, right?
In today's episode, we answered live questions.
So people actually called in, asked this question to help them with their fitness and their health and their performance.
It's a lot of fun. By the way, if you ever want to be on an episode with us live,
email your question to live at minepumpmedia.com.
Okay, hang out with us. The way we open this episode, though, is with an intro portion.
Okay, so this is what we're talking about. science studies. We talk about our sponsors after that is when we get to the live questions
Okay, so 38 minutes of the beginning of this episode was the intro after that we got to the live questions
Here's what went down in today's episode. We opened up by talking about glutathione
It's the master and the oxen and I just read some studies that improves
athletic performance and builds muscle as well, which
is really cool.
By the way, one of our favorite companies for glutathione, at least the kind that you absorb
is live on.
So if you go to mindpumppartners.com, you can find the link for live on and we actually have
a discount code so you can try them out.
Then we talked about the Gold Juice lattes that we're making with Organified gold juice, so their gold juice is made to help relax and calm the body.
You add it with coffee and caffeine, you get this wonderful synergy.
It's a nice ride.
Of calm, focused energy.
By the way, organify makes some of the best plant-based organic supplements anywhere,
including plant-based proteins, green juices, gold juices, red juices, which is for energy.
Go check them out, use our discount, you get 20% off, head over to organify.com.
That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com forward slash mine pump, and then use the code mine pump for 20% off.
Then we talked about McDonald's sweet tea. I bet you won't believe how many grams of sugar
is in a large McDonald's sweet tea.
It's probably exactly what you think.
Yeah, let me put it this way.
It was too sweet for Adam.
Okay, so that's the only clue I'm gonna give you.
There you go.
Then we talked about some of the cited investments
that Mind Pump does.
We actually, a lot of people don't know this,
but we actually invest in a lot of the companies
we work with.
Only actually, only the companies,
we really, really, really love the most,
the ones we believe in.
The one, one of them is Zbiotics.
Now Zbiotics makes a patented probiotic drink
that's genetically modified to produce compounds
that help your body break down acetaldehyde, sorry.
What is that compound?
That's one of the negative compounds
that your body produces when it metabolizes alcohol,
okay?
It's responsible for the crappy feeling the next day.
So what does that mean?
You drink Z-biotics before you drink alcohol, you feel way better the next day and there's
no other product like it in the market.
It's patented zero.
Go try it out, get 10% off.
Head over to zbiotics.com.
That's zbiotis.com forward slash mine pump.
Use the code mine pump 10 for 10% off.
Then I talked about my one year old son
pushing his own version of a sled.
I've been talking about the fitness and strength
benefits of pushing a sled.
I won.
I started early sale.
My one year old loves it.
Oh, made my heart so full Justin.
Oh yeah.
Then we talked about the Travis Scott concert and mob mentality, kind of crazy.
Scary. Then we got to the questions. Here's the first one. We talked to Danielle from
New Hampshire. She wants to know how much her body structure plays a role in her inability
to do certain exercises. The next question was from Shannon from Pennsylvania. She had a terrible fitness coach
Give her some of the worst advice. We've ever heard now is in a bit of a predicament her body will not respond to really low calories anymore
Wish we could shout out that coach's name. I know wants to know how to heal her body and get back on track
The next question was from Balthazar from South Africa shout out out to South Africa, by the way, a lot of new listeners coming over from over there. He's following a push,
pull legs routine, also plays at a high level cricket, wants to know how to combine the two
to get strength gains and maximizes athletic performance. Did you know cricket gains can last
nine hours, Justin? Slowner than me. I want to watch that on TV. Then the final question came from Michael
from Florida. He has a history of competing in very, very challenging events, Iron Man triathlon
events, did a little bit of CrossFit. Feels like his body is broken down. That's weird. Sounds
like he's tired. Wants to know how he can get his health back. So we help him out. Also, all months long, we're running a huge sale
on a workout program and a workout program bundle.
All right, so here's what's going on.
Maps anywhere is one of the most effective workout programs
you'll find anywhere that requires no equipment.
All you need to resistance bands,
but we didn't just make this program just for fun.
We said, look, let's make a program that doesn't need weights, doesn't need machines, doesn't need a gym,
that still builds muscle, sculpts the body, and can challenge even the most fit individual.
Well, that's maps anywhere, okay? So that's 50% off.
We also have a bundle of programs on sale that includes maps anywhere, maps it, maps it,
maps in a ball, and the intuitive nutrition guide.
It's called the fit mom bundle, although anybody can get it.
Now, that bundle's already discounted,
but we're taking an additional 50% off.
So huge sale this month.
If you're interested, you want to learn more,
you just want to sign up,
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Hashtag mom bod.
I went down the rabbit hole this weekend on Glutathione, the master antioxidant.
Obviously, one of the companies we work with is Livon and they have a really good liposomal
Glutathione.
When we were all sick with the virus, that shall not be named.
We all used it like crazy because I read studies
showing that there's a very strong correlation between low glutathione levels and
severe respiratory illness. Anyway, went down the rabbit hole on glutathione, it
actually has proven performance enhancing effects. Build more muscle, reduces
muscle damage and improves mitochondrial function or ATP production.
So it's actually a good performance-based health supplement as well.
Well, what does this study look like? Was this over a long period of time?
Was it a decent group? It was a resistance-trained group.
So they were already resistance-trained, so they weren't brand new.
And they divided up into two. One group placebo, one side did glutathione
and the glutathione show greater gains
and strength, performance reduced muscle damage.
So it's, they show it as a successful performance
enhancing supplement.
I've been taking it religiously post workout.
Now, one thing is there's a difference between
liposomal glutathione and traditional glutathione.
In the past, glutathione supplements were, it was a waste of money because it got destroyed
as you would consume it, and the only way to really get glutathione levels up was through
IV.
So all the studies were done on IV.
Then they came out with liposomal where they encapsulate the glutathione in a liposome,
which is essentially
a fat, which protects it through the digestive process.
Then studies show that it definitely raises glutathione levels in the blood like IV would,
for example.
That's interesting.
I've just been taking it as a preventative measure because so many people around me right
now are sick.
I'm just like, I gotta do all the things to keep it at bay, but I had no, yeah, I would have never thought it was like it was a performance
and I didn't either, but I, but it is.
I was just like I said, I went down the rabbit hole and I saw.
So should I add that to it?
Cause I do the same case when I get like, you know, everyone's getting sick around me.
There's a few things that I start to do.
I try and start to take the, the zinc.
The, yeah, I start taking that.
I do the green juice with organifi. I start pumping that up and start being take the zinc. I start taking that, I do the green juice with organifi.
I start pumping that up and start be consistent with that.
You think I should add the glutathione
to that strategy or something?
Yeah, because of the sensor.
Yes, because what you don't want to do
is play catch up if you get sick
and then try to get glutathione levels come up.
Because in that case, you probably want to use IV.
Glutathione, you want your glutathione levels good going into illness.
So it's probably a good idea to supplement, especially if you work out hard, you place
your body under a lot of stress.
It's a good idea to do.
So I'm doing zinc, green juice, and then now also the glutathione.
Is there anything else you would add to that mix on a regular basis?
Yeah, well, like just like Justin said, this is what I do because I'm not, sometimes
I'm inconsistent with taking some of that stuff.
But obviously, there's times, it's like,
okay, if there's ever time that I wanna make sure
I'm good on all my-
So when you're about to get sick.
Right, where there's lots of people around you,
they're sick, right?
So, it's an interesting after Halloween,
how all of a sudden we get, you know,
sort of this break up, like flu and all,
like the seasons come in terms of my-
It's because everybody's together.
Everybody's together indoors.
And then you add the fact and then they're candy.
Yeah, it's just late and like it's just all the habits
that you know foster like a lower immune system response.
I would add Adam depending on what your vitamin D levels
look like.
I would add that.
That's a daily for me.
Okay.
That's one of my that's one of my daily's no matter what.
Yeah, then you're
I have to.
And then the other stuff you could throw in if you get sick, then you start adding things in.
But those are good on a regular basis.
Yeah.
You know, based on what I've written,
speaking of organify,
those, I've been telling about those
gold juice lattes that I'll make for just delicious.
Okay.
They're better than the pumpkin spice lattes
of Starbucks.
Yeah.
Should we get somebody trying to find you that one?
Yeah. Yeah. Listen. So you've gotten too far. No. spice lattes of Starbucks. We're gonna get somebody try and fight you, right?
Listen, you know what?
So you've gotten too far.
No, wait, she just like clicking her
ugg boots right now.
Let's get to say someone's gonna throw an ugg
at me outside.
No, so the pumpkin spice lattes from Starbucks
are just way too sweet.
It's like drinking candy.
Organified gold juice, it's got some sweetness,
but it's not too sweet.
And if you make it with
almond milk or macadamia nut milk and you add your coffee to it, you know, first frost it up
with the gold juice then throw in the coffee, it's delicious. But then you get the benefits of
the the nice balanced caffeine because of the because organifies got those relaxing compounds.
It's a great combination. I mean, it's tasty.
There's no doubt.
I just, you know, it's just kind of funny.
I don't know if you compare it.
Yeah, it's a strong comparison.
You know, thanks to each other, but it is good.
Definitely going to fire some people up for sure.
You know what?
People who like to drink candy, maybe.
I mean, that's what it is, right?
You're, that's who you're dealing with.
You ever have one of those, uh, those ones from Starbucks?
I swear it tastes like diabetes too much, dude.
They, they, it's like the. It's too much, dude.
It's like the first time I've drown it in syrup.
Have you guys ever tried the sweet tea at McDonald's
before?
I tried that.
So I love sweet tea as a kid.
I'm not right now, as an adult, I like just regular tea.
I don't like anything in my tea.
As a kid, I loved sweet tea.
My mom used to do it, you know, make her own tea at home
where she leaves the thing outside, you know,
let's the sun, like basically, you know,
what do you call it?
Steep, is it steeping?
Is that what you call the palates in there?
Yeah, whatever.
So she would do that.
And then we would sweeten it up ourselves.
And I love Sweet Team.
So I warm it up and just pour sugar as you.
Pretty much.
Pretty much.
So, you know, I had this, this was a wild back.
It's been a long time.
But it was the first time I had ever had McDonald's sweet tea.
I had this weird cra-
You know, I have a get-
We're cravings for like kids, something you do as a kid.
Like, you know what?
I drink tea all the time, but I haven't had sweet tea
and forever, I'm like,
and I heard McDonald's has a good sweet tea,
so people would tell me that.
Oh yeah, McDonald's sweet tea is amazing.
Oh my God, disgusting.
It's too much. Yeah, have's sweet tea is amazing. Oh my God, disgusting. It's too much.
Yeah, have some tea with your sugar.
It's unbull, it is like they put cups of sugar in there.
It's so gross.
In fact, I'd wanna, maybe you could look up the calories
on what a large sweet tea and McDonald's runs
because it tastes like.
How many grams of sugar do you think is in that right now?
Just guess.
Okay, on a large, I'm gonna take, I'm gonna say,
oh, more, now I'm gonna say 80.
80 grams of sugar?
That's how I'm gonna guess.
Let's see how close I am.
Yeah, let's see what the,
what you got just, that's how it's straight there.
Yeah, 50, 80.
Mountain Dew has diet.
I just won't throw that out there.
Diet Mountain Dew?
Disgusting.
100, oh no, that's how, that's how,
that's how 160 grams of sugar was like.
Yeah, look at the nutrition facts,
that click on that, let's see how many grams.
No way.
It's only a hundred, must they must be using like a sweet
and low then.
Yeah, what does that say Doug?
How many grams of sugar?
38 grams.
Wow, it's almost like I know everything.
It's so, so close.
It's really good.
Okay, that's, I see I don't even believe that because it has,
so are they using both though regular sugar and then like an
artificial sweet or tip to boost it?
Like tastes like it has to be.
Yeah, both.
Now I can't believe that's a 30 ounce serving.
That's massive.
Yeah, I don't buy that.
Yeah, but still, I don't buy that.
40 grams of sugar in that, it's gonna taste like,
it's gonna taste super sweet.
I still don't believe that.
I really don't, I think it's sweet.
What if I start out as that, then the employees are just like,
you know what, Not a bad point.
I wonder how they actually regulate it.
Exactly. How close are they?
Yeah, cause they got to do the mixing and everything there.
Yeah, you know what I used to get cravings for the only thing
at McDonald's was the soft serve.
Oh, this one's a little more accurate, maybe.
It's 560 calories.
That's more like sweet tea, no ice.
And let me get the, the,
141 grams of sugar.
Now, now that's more right.
That's more like it.
Wow dude.
That's more like it.
That is.
Yeah, that, hey, you know,
that first one,
that first one's made by McDonald's bro.
So that's not that.
You know, that, that first ad that you pulled out of that.
No, that's actually not true.
This is actually from McDonald's.
Oh, so this is McDonald's.
It was the other one. Some other company, but it wasn't McDonald's. That is more, McDonald's. Oh, so this is McDonald's. What was the other one?
Some other company, but it wasn't McDonald's.
That is more, it's, it tastes like that right there.
Maybe the other one had so much ice.
There's like, you know, the half of a cup.
It's all just water.
It's just water, dude.
Gross, dude.
That's ridiculous.
Hey, speaking of partners that we're working with,
I think it's safe to talk about some of our investments
that we do and why we invest in certain companies.
We, and I think we're all an agreement, right?
We might be investing in Z-Botic.
Oh yeah, now that's after talking to Zach,
which is cool.
I think Doug, you're releasing that on Wednesday,
Wednesday or so.
Yeah, it's actually this is gonna be actually prior
of, no, proceeding this episode.
Oh, so if you're listening,
you will have a chance to have already heard it
or go back and listen to the interview that we do was Zach, which couple things. One, dude, such a smart guy
who comes off as like super down to earth. Yeah. Like you still hang out with him and he's not
left. Totally. Yeah. I remember when we were first having him on, like Sal's been concerned,
was like, is he going to know his stuff? Like, are we going to get somebody who's talking about
the science and something and they don't, we've had that experience.
I don't know if we shared that with the audience before.
We brought, we didn't share it.
We had a cannabinoid expert come on.
And Adam and I both knew way more.
Oh, dude.
What are you doing right away?
I was like, oh my God, we just literally
sit as a butender.
Yeah, but it's a fucking stoner hipster kid
for a butender trying to break down the science for us.
I was like, oh my God, god is so bad. So no, but Zach, Zach knew his shit and
boy was it fun to.
Bro, it that science of genetically modifying bacteria to do specific
functions.
Oh, it's fascinating.
It's not just fascinating. It's potentially.
Revolutionary.
Yes.
Yeah.
And what they focused on is on this simple stuff, right?
So, z-biotic genetically modified to produce a compound
that breaks down acetaldehyde,
which is a negative byproduct of alcohol.
It's one of the reasons why you feel like
absolute garbage the day after.
So you do z-biotics before drink alcohol.
Wow, I don't feel nearly as bad, right?
But that's a very simple thing.
And they're focusing on this simple stuff first
as the science gets more advanced
and they can do more.
Because at some point, you might be able to genetically
modify bacteria to produce more serotonin for you
or dopamine or anti-inflammatory, you know, things or whatever,
which is far more complex, right?
Very fascinating.
So many different directions, yeah, they can go
with that technology.
Oh yeah, when we, after we turned off the podcast,
if we stopped, we were talking to them more.
And we're just like, can we like invest?
We only invest in companies that really blow us away.
And luckily, they were open for it.
Well, since you let the cat in the bag with talking about that stuff,
we haven't shared this on the podcast.
All I think you should do that.
And it includes Felix Gray and Zbiotic,
since those will be the two next rounds that were involved in. So if you include Zbiotics,
you include Felix Gray and then the other four companies, which are your favorite, each
of your favorites, and which do you think are the most risky as far as what we've invested
in? Obviously, we wouldn't be in it if we didn't believe in all of them. But what do you
guys go?
This is my champion horse of, oh,
I don't know, right now Zibatix pretty high up there
with Luna, I think, or my two top.
One of the risks is always, how is the company run?
Because they could have a crazy product,
an incredible groundbreaking product,
but business is business,
and if it's not run well, then you're screwed.
So that's always the risk. But you say say that but one of the things that I think that
Heges that was Zibiotic is they have a patent. Yes, so let's say
You know operationally they they don't know what they're doing with having a hard time. No competitor
Yeah, there's no competitor and the bare minimum they could sell off sell off their technology. Yeah, they're technology
No, I like Zibiotics for the science. I would say Elemente as a consumer product. I get really excited about. I see that being a major player,
especially with like ready to dream. You should have listed everything first, right? So list all
the all the companies. There's Luna, which is the physical therapy to your door company.
And they have the technology that's similar to Uber. And that's that's a billions and billions
and billions of dollar market So that was pretty incredible
Well, they have the actual one of the executives from Uber is now on their board covered by insurance
That one I think is probably the most guaranteed
For it's just gonna take a while. Yeah to get everybody involved with that
But yeah, I would say would be the other ones you bought X is also pretty exciting
I like serenity kids a lot that market's also very but I don't, I also see them as the best in their
particular space.
Yeah.
Pathwater is interesting.
Pathwater is another one we're invested in.
By the way, it just got a whole food 450 of their like 500 locations.
Now what's exciting with Pathwater is if state and local governments continue to push this agenda
of getting rid of plastic bottles, more recyclable, reusable, then they'll sign contracts and exclude
plastic bottles, and they've done this in a lot of public schools and stuff. That could be huge.
That one is determined, in my opinion, a lot of that's going to be based on the politics. If the
politics move in that direction, they'll crush. If not, then it might be a little more challenging
because it's water.
Water is very challenging kind of, you know, product.
And then I leave anybody out.
To X-ray.
Felix Ray, I'm iffy on.
And I know we still haven't invested in them,
so we'll see.
Because they're science is incredible.
It's an amazing product in that market,
but I still want to look at what you're doing.
So now that you went over them real quick for the audience Who what's your number one pick and then which do you you consider the least or the most risky for you the most risky
Most risky and then what do you say is your champion horse?
It's all pick that's all pick one and then put it on air so we see for right later
Yeah, yeah, that's it be fun. Why not? Yeah, I think it'll be fun to talk about it as we as the companies progress top two
I would say are for me Luna and element. No, you can do touch you. I said one you get to pick one champion horse
You get one ride that horse, dude. Yes one champion horse and one and Luna number one. Okay, Luna's number one for you and then most risky
Well, I don't want to say few things for you. We haven't invested in them yet. So we haven't decided. No, you're still gonna count them
I don't you count them. I put them in the most risk. Okay, so you think they're most risky Justin
you're still gonna count them. I don't even should count them.
I put them in as the most risk.
Okay, so you think they're most risky?
Justin, so my bottom, I'll start at the bottom.
I think Serenity kids, you know, I love,
you know, their products and everything.
I just feel like that's a hard one to break through.
And then I go Z-Batics is my top horse.
Okay, yeah.
Doug.
Yeah, I'm gonna go the same as Justin on that.
Oh. Yeah, absolutely.
The thing about Luna, as much as I love the company is
that
they're gonna have to be able to get enough
therapists
To meet the demand so that when people order it, there's somebody there for them. Yeah, but
But they are backed by insurance companies, and the medical market is not a well. This is great market
This is great. This is great because we're evenly split here
because I'm with Sal on Luna.
Luna is definitely, but I'm with Justin on
Serenity Kids being my most risky, I think.
So I like-
I like them to push through, but it's a hard one.
Yeah, but none of them-
I like Felix Gray even better than Serenity Kid.
Yeah, Felix Gray, they did a really good job of being like one of the leaders in the blue blogging space.
I know that they're connected, I believe, with Apple, Google.
They're in the game stop now.
So they've partnered up with some good companies already.
Man pump, you know, they know what they are doing with that.
So they were.
That's right.
I want to invest.
They've all done that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They're all smart.
Obviously, we all want them all to be well. But I'll tell you, it's a pretty, yeah, yeah, yeah, they're all smart. Obviously, we all want the bill.
All to be well, but I like it.
I'll tell you, it's a pretty, like what's his name?
Kobe invested in 2004, just for people to understand, right?
You can invest in a company that sold publicly, right?
So the stock market, or you can be an early investor,
more risky, but the return is bigger.
Yeah.
Kobe put-
Six million.
Turn it into four.
He put six million into a body armor, the drink that you get, you know, set the safe way or whatever, the sports drink. Six million. Two minutes four. Six million into body armor, the drink that you get,
so the safe way or whatever, the sports drink.
Six million, that was in 2014.
2021, his estate got their return,
cause they exited, $400 million.
Which I think you said, and it might be correct.
He might have just made more money on that.
Did he? Confirmed. He made more money on that. Did he confirmed that he did in
his career? Is it tire career? What about his real deals? I don't know if they counted
all of that, but I do know that that what did you say is shoe deals and everything else?
Oh, maybe not if you count all that, but I mean, it would be impressive if he just outperformed
his contract. I mean, somebody he was at time he had to have been the highest paid player in the NBA. So and he I'm several contracts. I'm
sure you had Doug, would you look up how much money did Kobe Bryant make in his career
playing basketball? Yeah. And if you can find just for what he got paid because yeah,
the shoe deal, I'm sure with that would might push it over, but it would be impressive
alone. If he literally made more money off of that investment
than he did off of anything else.
And it was, yeah, it was six million,
I was reading that again,
because I think I said it wrong the first time.
I think I said it was one or two million before,
but it was six million dollars.
And at that time, I wanna say that he,
that made him 10% owner.
Well, I mean, imagine had we had the opportunity
to invest in
Viori when we first got with 680. Yes, 600 and endorsements. Yeah, that's in that's with endorsements. Yeah, if you pull endorsements out,
he made more. Wow. Yeah, wow. Look at that. Look at that. So 70% of their
torsion. He made like essentially 70 more than 70% of his total earnings in one investment.
Wow. You know, if you do the math, like, when you figure out what a frat, it's only six million to him.
It sounds like a lot of money. I mean, 40% of all the money he made, put it this way, a little less than
40% of all the money he ever made in his entire career ever, one investment did that. Yeah.
That's crazy. We have all the work and effort he took to make
680 that was just one six million dollar investment. I wonder how much influence he had to I mean
because seeing that and then it just makes me feel like I'm definitely gonna lose my argument with, you know, tonal because of
We could a lot of broad James and investors and investor in them now too. So it's like, you know if you have that much power
as a celebrity and you're invested in the company,
you're doing everything you can to help endorse it
and to push it.
So, I mean, even if you're not just a,
you're a mega celebrity.
You're world famous like everywhere.
Yeah, but you still need to have,
consumers still need to, you know, back it up.
Like body armor.
There's so many people that will buy it
just because of his face.
And not only that, but the company with tonal
was already showing positive trends and signs before.
Well, I wanna see what's happening now.
Look, you see what's happening to Peloton.
They tamed.
Well, tamed.
I mean, there's stuff that went wrong with them.
Yeah, they couldn't meet demand
and there were supply issues and just,
and then people fell off the treadmill or whatever and it just
Taked well, I heard the latest drop had to do with the not the news that came out with Pfizer
That's what I heard I heard that the so Peloton was taking a ship from all the things that you were saying already
That was the first hit but the next the next big fall was when that news just came out with Pfizer with them
You know, they have the the pill that's supposed to you know supposedly get rid of all the cover. You didn't read that, you had to read that.
What did I have to do with Peloton?
Because people aren't thinking they're going to be, the reason why Peloton did so good
is because this idea that we're going to be stuck in our homes and we're going to have
to do exercise at home.
And so this idea that Pfizer's come out with some sort of a pill that you can take.
Well, that's what I'm saying.
So people are not going to work out at home like everybody thought.
I mean, how's that going to affect the company like Tonal?
Yeah.
Remember the cost of getting one of these electronic fitness
devices is pales and it's so much cheaper to go to a gym.
Now, I know they say there's so many more features,
but the average fitness consumer would buy it for fitness
and then the features.
Well, that would make you right because you,
that's what I said.
You made the comment in that interview that, you know,
wait a second, did you guys make your huge surge in the pandemic?
Like, and so that would mean that if it got hit that hard just from some Pfizer news,
like I was saying, that would tell you that that spate or that company is very, very volatile
with whether people are going to be working on the home or not.
It's just the window for a lot of these at home,
type companies that are coming in and thinking
it's gonna be long-term, maybe as long as they thought.
Hey, I gotta tell you guys, speaking of fitness,
so you guys know I've been talking about using the sled
for a while and having a lot of fun.
Yeah.
So I don't know if it was you guys,
it might've been you guys Adam,
gave my son this little walker thing. Yeah, yeah, it's from us. Is that from been you guys Adam, gave my son this like little walker thing.
Yeah, yeah, that's from us.
Is that from you guys?
Okay, so it's like a little walker thing,
looks like a sled.
And you can adjust the wheels to make them
a little more challenging or easier.
A little friction on them.
Yeah.
My, okay, my son is obsessed.
Bro, we went, I took him outside in it, right?
I took a video of it.
It'll be up on the YouTube channel. We put him outside in it and he literally went, I took him outside and it, right? I took a video of it. It'll be up on the YouTube channel.
We put him outside and he literally went
all the way to one end of my backyard and back
for like non-stop 45 minutes.
He's, remember, he's one year's old.
And he's just, and he's grunting,
and he's gripping it and he's grunting.
And then when he tries to turn,
it's hard to turn.
Sounds just like you when you work out.
Are you kidding me?
My heart was so full.
And he's just,
and I'm listening to him, I'm like,
he's obviously tired and pushing himself.
I'm like, why won't he stop?
And I tried to pick him up and he's like,
kicks his leg,
and then I put him down and he's like,
he's determined.
Pushing this thing around the backyard, dude.
Oh, it's a great one.
It reminds me, dude,
I saw our season and it was like a catastrophe there at the end. I won't talk about it
I want to hear a little sensitive there. I want to hear about you tackling all the kids you can't do what the hell's wrong with you
Oh my god, I didn't talk about that last time. No, dude
You just sent us a picture with all your all your screams and bruises
I know some of them listen to shows so I'll try and try and do justice
But we like
This side at the end of one of the practices,
we're just gonna have some fun.
And the coaches were kind of lined up all over the field.
And the kids were like at the goal line.
And we threw the ball.
And basically the whole thing, the premises that you gotta go,
try and tackle the coach and get the ball.
And so like we're trying to basically create an opportunity
to condition them by passing it and run all over the field
with it away from them and stuff.
And their goals are trying to get you in time.
Yeah.
And so of course, inevitably this turned into one
of those things where one kid tries a little too hard,
ripped the ball out, and I'm like, no, no, no,
you're gonna rip the ball out now. So I decided you know like to you know take a few of them
out and then it got a little bit more aggressive after that tackled some kid like smash them
on the ground and then this one kid they had like this kid like I got the ball and I threw
it away and then this kid kept coming at me
and trying, it couldn't stop.
And so I just like, you know,
kind of hit him and he flew, you know,
little too far and I was like,
well, I definitely like got a little carried away.
I swear we used to play a game
just like that when we were kids.
Yeah, you know what?
I'll tell Doug, you gotta hear this.
Adam and I were sitting out here,
Justin's out there, he's getting a haircut.
We overheard him talking to Vicki, right?
And he's talking about like, yeah, you know,
coaching these kids and he's like, yeah, you know,
these kids don't really have like a dark place
where they can put that aggression out of, you know?
And I'm like, what?
Bro, I had a full conversation about this.
She wasn't stealing it ever since.
That's like, you need a dark,
your life is too good, kid.
It is, too soft.
You gotta have like a little bit of darkness inside you
that you need to channel in a safe setting
where it's okay, it's appropriate.
Like let's express this healthy way, but anyway.
So the reason I brought it up is because I already
constructed, like I just wrote a plan handed it off
to the AD beforehand to make sure,
because he's running these kids in a class for weight training.
And so, like the, what we got buy-in from
was like doing tests.
And so we started to kind of like run these kids
through like a 40 time and, you know, the shuttle run
and like some of these things that were like tangible
that like they're like, oh, what did he run?
You know, what time did he have?
And it's like, oh, then I started to get buy-in.
And I'm like, duh, should have had these
going like the whole year and having them
pick against each other, it's like I have to engineer
that competitiveness.
So I put like in some of the plans,
I had some fun kind of tests.
And I was like, constructive one idea was like
for Fridays, we're gonna do this.
Like, what's it called when you basically,
it's not drag racing, but you're like tractor pulls.
So, and I mean, you sleds for that.
So, you stack it as heavy as possible
to where you could barely even grind your way forward
and we're gonna see how far they can move.
Like the heaviest stacked sled.
And you know, stuff like that where it's like competitive, but it's not crossfit where it's aimless. see how far they can move like the heaviest stacked sled.
And stuff like that where it's like competitive,
but it's not CrossFit where it's aimless,
it's like has purpose behind it.
So take that CrossFit.
Yeah, it's very much more thought goes into that.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
Coach Andrews, can I try out for the team?
I don't know, is your dad in alcoholics?
Yeah, he is.
Come on, come on, Borkton.
You had any kind of abuse that you can use and shuttle.
Yeah.
Anything really bad happened when you were a kid.
That's all I've had in my life, sorry.
You can go to the team.
Who balls not to sport for you, dude?
Go play tennis.
Did you guys, did you just, can you just insult everybody today?
I just thrown it out there.
Did you guys see the news that happened
with the Travis Scott concert?
No.
Oh, yeah.
More people trampled and squished it at.
I thought some people were getting stabbed.
Like, it was, yeah, I think several needles.
Several people died, is that right?
Yeah, I've seen that.
Yeah, I've seen that.
Somebody was going around and pricking people with a needle
and then they're dropping and passing out
and like some people died.
Like a security guard got like poked in the neck and passed out and then he got to get
revived by some kind of like adrenaline.
So the needle obviously had something poisonous in it.
Something.
Yeah.
That's what they're speculating.
Wow.
And I guess we'll Travis Scott, whatever he got a lot of heat because he's still singing.
He's still singing.
He's looking at.
Now I've heard both sides, right?
Some people are like, listen,
when you're on stage like that,
lights are in your eyes, crowds,
stuff's going on, so like that, you can't tell.
And you're a professional,
so you just keep singing, you don't think it,
but then you have other people be like,
that's crazy, it's bullshit.
You can tell.
My one made it worse.
You know, if there's a big crowd,
hey, what's going on?
And then all of a sudden everybody moves in.
And it's such an interesting thing because-
Eight people died.
Wow.
14 to 27, according to what's that say?
Yeah, how many people in ages 14 and 20?
So you might be a small person.
These group mob mentality,
is that the impression of the rug?
It's like it was 0.001% of people dying.
It's a lot of safe is getting back.
No, am I bad?
No, that's insane.
So this reminds me of,
was it the rolling,
I want to say the rolling stones had a concert in the 60s.
I think it was the Rolling Stones,
and they hired, it was in San Francisco,
maybe Doug will remember this,
and they hired the Hells Angels as security.
Oh, I've heard about that.
So the Rolling Stones did a big ass concert
and hired Hells Angels to be the security.
And they just beat the shit out of people who were out of line.
Just fucking hammered people.
And while they're up on stage doing their act or whatever,
they had to stop them and go, hey, no, what are you doing?
And they just got, it was a whole...
No, I mean, this is tragic.
This reminds me of, I don't know if it was great white, I think was the band,
but it was like indoors and all of a sudden a pyrotechnic kind of error.
Nobody could leave fast enough in the whole place
when in flames and people died from the fire.
So it was the ultimate concert.
Oh wow, 1969.
They actually killed somebody in the audience.
Wow.
It was the Rolling Stones, Jefferson Airplane and Santana.
And I don't know who thought it was that idea. Who do you guys want to security?
Dude, it's hard to get the model.
They had bad ideas. I mean, whole Woodstock 99 thing,
where you know, you brought like it's supposed to be peace, love,
and whatever. And they brought these metal bands, you know,
corn, limp biscuit, and like I think Metallica even.
But of course, like, you know, limp biscuit, like,
took the biggest black eye
from that whole thing because I guess, like,
if I can go back, what happened was like,
one of the guys, like, and they're such an energetic
electric band, you know, and so he just gets the crowd
going crazy and part of a piece of like the stage
on to the side, like somebody grabbed it and like,
made like this board
where people could like crowd surf on top of.
And so then he gets on top of it
and it's kind of encouraging.
He's the whole thing.
And then everybody starts ripping everything down
and then it just turns into this like riot.
And, and, and.
Mob mentality is well studied
and it's fascinating psychology.
If you ever want to learn about the weirdest
in human psychology, read about mob mentality.
Normal people will do the most crazy thing.
Lily, turn into animals.
You don't need to read anything.
You just need to have your eyes open for the last two years.
Yeah, kind of.
I mean, we're literally...
Little happening, yeah.
I've seen examples all over the place on both sides.
It's crazy, man.
Yeah, so...
Let's just not use our brain,
and then just go with the mob.
Yeah, so I brought them up,
because they just came out.
I love a comeback story,
and I had heard from somebody on my,
like, ask me anything.
They're like, oh, did you hear the new Limp Basket album?
I'm like, is it good?
It's great.
Yeah, it's really good.
Really?
He's toned down his grate.
It was like, really great.
I was like, this is pumped.
You got me, you messaged me, and I was I was he got me hella fired up had an edible
This one song called pill popper and it fucking slams
Yeah, it's it's great. Hey speaking of music. I was listening to Beastie boys this morning working out
Oh, so okay
Do you know how many songs would have been canceled from the past if they were erudem today like
Girls by the BC boys. Yeah, I know that would be gone
Well, they talked about that in the which one. Yeah, did you not see the documentary still? I still haven't seen you got to watch that
They took a they took a left turn from that that was like the whole engineered
Version of BC boys like, you know, they're doing that all for that record company and then they've decided like we don't want to be those douchebag party guys. Oh boy.
Let me tell you those are such a cool
Document show. I've never seen one done like that the way they did it. They did it to where they were like narrating it
I'm right down because I keep forgetting to watch this. Yeah, because it's called something else
It's not called the Beastie Boys document. The documentary. It's what called something else, right?
Shes to clean up. I don't know. I'm assuming it's on Amazon, I can rent it.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think I had to buy it on Apple back, but if you can buy it on Apple, you can
only buy it on Amazon, so I'm sure it's on there somewhere, but it's worth watching,
for sure.
Yeah, I mean, I love BC Boys growing up, and there was a lot of things I didn't know about
their...
They were one of the first, not the first, but one of the first
hip hop groups or whatever to sample, to use sampling as part of their music and make
it really an art.
Yeah, no, they're responsible for a lot of trends that I didn't realize until you watch
that.
You watch it and you go, oh shit, they did that first.
I go, wow, yeah, no, it's, they're really.
With the Jewish kids from New York.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, real's literally. With the Jewish kids from New York. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Our first caller is Danielle from New Hampshire.
Danielle, how's it going?
How can we help you?
So I'm great.
Thanks.
Guys, I just want to let you know how grateful I am for you
and all that you do.
Earlier this year, I lost my dad to COVID so it got me to start thinking about
my own health and my own mobility. About June of this year I started working with an FRC coach
and she basically has me unwinding everything that I've learned.
So I've always been active, I was a member of the Y,
I like to swim, I like to hike, I like to ski.
But I started to think about,
there's things I can't do.
Like, you know, we're in Kinstretch
and we're learning about, we're gonna flex our toes
and we're gonna roll our ankles around. And so I'm learning of I'm getting new mobility, but I'm still struggling.
And then I came across this article and I'm just wondering so basically I'm five nine I'm about 185 pounds and I'm like a tall pair, I guess you could describe me. And just wondering how does your body shape fit into
some of the exercises that you may be able to do or not do?
So for instance, a squat.
I can get really low when I have no weight,
but as soon as I put weight on the bar,
I'm back to being parallel.
I know what the answer I want you to say is,
but I'm just curious to get some a little bit
of feedback, I guess.
Yeah, no, that's a good question.
So the answer is actually in what you just said, you could do a full squat with no weight,
but when you add weight, then your form obviously goes in the wrong direction.
So that's a strength issue.
How big of a role does your body shape play in a lot of these exercises?
Somewhat of a role, small role for most people because a lot of these movements are kind
of foundational, fundamental, you know, pieces of human movement.
So it's like walking, right?
So there's a person's body shape, play a role in their ability to walk to some degree,
but really small, right?
Because we all evolved to be able to walk.
Well, you also evolved to be able to squat and press and row and rotate to some degree
and do some split stance exercises.
Now when you get into very technical movements that require very specific types of mobility,
then maybe it plays a larger role.
But when you're talking about,
most of the exercises you're gonna do in the gym,
a lot of it has to do with strength, mobility, and connection.
And much less of it has to do with just our body shape
or the length of our limbs or how our joints look.
And I know there's like this movement
in the fitness space to talk about hip joint in the socket and the length of our limbs or how our joints look. And I know there's like this movement in the fitness space
to talk about hip joint and the socket and the length
of the femur and, you know, and yes,
there's definitely cases where that plays a role.
But it's a lot smaller than people think.
For the most part, all of us have the capability
to be able to do most of these movements.
And what gets in the way is just, you know,
tightness, weakness, and lack of stability.
Danielle, first of all, I think the fact that you're doing FRC and you fired a coach is incredible.
I think everything that they're teaching over there is phenomenal.
It's life changing.
Absolutely.
It really is.
Yeah, no, I love, I love hearing when people actually sign up and start going through that process.
It was life changing for me. So I think that's great.
Are you doing any, are you following a maps program or anything in conjunction with it?
Are you doing that by itself?
Just by itself.
And then I work with her the trainer three days a week doing heavy lifting and stuff like
that.
So I am the kind of person that needs that constant correction and that
for right now where I'm at, I just need someone standing over me and correcting form. And like I said,
I have done push-ups wrong. I didn't realize this. I was doing push-ups wrong my whole life.
So it's a little bit eye-opening, but I just need someone right now where I'm at to guide me through
the phases and the exercise and using proper form.
Are they coming with you in person?
Are you doing this virtually? How are you doing it right now?
No, I'm going to the her studio.
Oh, nice. Well, I mean, and you know, tell you what, like if you didn't, if you weren't following
something, I would have recommended something like Maps Performance, I think would complement
what you're doing with FRC, but even our programs. I think we've said this many times on the show nothing beats a
Really good coach in person somebody who can call an audible while they're coaching you and explain to you
Why this feels this way or what's going on with your body?
Hey, let's move over here and now do these movements and if that coach is doing that stuff with you
I think that it's at this point. It's more just about being patient. Be patient,
stay consistent. You're doing the right things. I think you're on the right track by having
someone like an FRC coach to help you out. I think you're in great hands.
Yeah. I mean, going back and going through all the different clients that had limitations,
you know, there are, you know, very, very few examples of morphology sort of getting in the way of being able to
attempt these types of movements.
Every single time I've gone through it, and the more educated I got with techniques like
FRC and other types of ways to address connectivity issues and stability issues, really highlights just the amount of times
you've just patterned this certain process
forever to where you've self-regulated
and sort of limited that a lot of times just based off
of the type of habits and routines
like you've done over the years.
And there is a way to go in there.
And like you said, kind of unwind and unpack
and dive into that process and see,
like, it unlocks a whole new potential movement-wise.
And that's what I love about those types of modalities.
Is it really highlights the abilities are there
but you have to do maybe sometimes more work
to get back to the root of the actual cost.
And Danielle, it says in your written question that you started in June of this year.
Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah, you gotta get just warming up. You're just, you're just,
you're just, I know, it's really hard when someone says you don't have to pre-repress it to do that.
You know, well, you know what? Don't, don't, don't, I saw too that you, I mean, you admit that
it's kind of a shot to the ego for somebody who's been working out and doing fitness, you
know what, it was, it was challenging for me too.
I remember the first time that I hung out with a doctor, Brink, and he broke me down.
Here I am a personal trainer.
I've been training other people my whole life.
And then basically to tell me the same exact thing, you don't have the prerequisites to be squatting that much weight on your back. You should be doing x, y, and z
And and I'm also somebody who falls under that like, you know, morphology is not ideal for squatting really deep
I'm six foot three. I do have a long a long femur. I have poor ankle mobility
So it was extremely challenging for me to get to where I'm at. That's why it's why too today I'm more proud about my squat depth than I am any PR.
I've ever hit in my life as far as, oh, I've, you know, I've squatted 420 pounds.
I've benched X like I don't really care about that.
I'm more proud about the change in movement that I made in the depth.
You have totally different metrics now that you're applying towards these.
These exercises. Yeah. And you just have to look at it completely differently, like metrics now that you're applying towards these exercises.
Yeah, and you just have to look at it completely differently
like of how much you're accomplishing
but in a completely different path than you were before.
You're on the right track, Danielle,
you're doing the right stuff.
So just hang in there and you're gonna continue
to improve for a while.
I appreciate that.
Thank you.
No problem, thanks for calling in.
Yeah, a lot of you don't realize that,
by the way, forget mobility, forget what this person's
talking about.
If someone hires me as a beginner,
it takes six months, at least.
It's so humbling.
Before they really, I'm able to really start pushing them
with their work out, literally,
for the average person, it takes at least six months.
I know, but she's what that happens.
And he's an athlete, dude.
I can totally connect with this feeling.
Like when she said that, you know, it's tough to be somebody who's been hiking, swimming,
running, biking, you know, playing sports your whole life and then have somebody break
you down and basically say you've been doing all that wrong.
Your whole life.
Yeah, that's a chance of the guy.
Yeah, and there's these things.
It can be a shot.
And then it is a, I think mobility progress
is seems to be a little more daunting
than seeing just more way.
I feel like it's easier to get strong in my opinion.
It's easier to add three to five pounds to the bar
on almost any exercise you're doing
than to see yourself get an extra inch or two of depth.
Well, it's more, I guess, ego rewarding.
It's counterintuitive.
Yeah. It's just more ego rewarding.
You don't, you don't, I mean, you, you, you want to brag
about your new PR, but, you know, I went, you know,
half an inch deeper on my, exactly.
Nobody else gives a shit that I can get, you know,
it's like, how much are you squatting?
Well, for me, this is what I'm concerned about.
Yeah. That, that plays a role.
Yeah, and back to what I said, it's, it, it takes a while.
Um, it, it takes a while.
It doesn't mean you don't have a certain level of fitness
or stamina or strength for what you were doing.
It's just you're relearning movements.
And it takes a while.
She's probably already made tremendous improvements
in that short period of time,
but wanting it to happen faster.
It does just take time, but once you get there
and you start to get there fast, you start to get there faster and faster. It's a snowball effect.
Well, and a lot of this is just reframing the way you look, you know, kind of exercise
and to, to Justin's point. I had my nephew just called me recently. He just, he's just
transitioned out of maps and a ball. He's going into maps performance. And he's kind of
like over viewing the workouts for the first phase.
And he's like, you know, this seems too easy for me.
Should I add, he was calling to ask if he should add sets or do some of that.
I said, listen, I need you.
And I know him really well.
Obviously, so I can, I have a little more insight.
I'm like, I need you to look at this program completely different than the way you looked
at maps and a ball.
When you went into maps and a ball, it was about building your metabolism, about getting
stronger.
Now that we're moving into performance, I really don't care if the workout looks like it
could be easier, it could be harder, it could be more, you get away from the, I want to
be strong and that's where you're heading.
Just even though that's your maybe your long-term goal, the goal of this program is to perfect
your movement, is to increase mobility.
So when you go into a workout, let's say you're doing like the reverse lunge
to press with the landmine,
which is a unique exercise.
A lot of people may have not done that before.
I care less if you called me and said,
hey, Adam, last week I was doing that with 50 pounds
and now I'm doing it with 80 pounds.
I would rather you say,
I start off with 50 pounds that I actually had to back
off to 40, but man, the movement feels so smooth. It looks so good. You know, I can, I can
slow it. Yes. So and that, that's the idea is you, but it's hard. If you are, you know,
like my nephew wants to be, he's, you know, ex football player, strong guy. Like that's
all he cares about is getting buff and strong or losing body fat. It's all centered around that and just getting him to wrap his brain around when
we are now working on movement and mobility. It's a different mindset going into it so
that she needs to do the same thing as is stop worrying about how fast you ran or swam
before forget about how much weight you squatted or bench press before and now becomes, you know,
what did the movement look like last year and what does the movement look like this year
with the work that I've been putting in and start being proud of yourself for the gains
that you've made in that direction versus the weight going up or down the bar.
Our next caller is Shannon from Pennsylvania.
Hey Shannon, how come we help you?
Hey guys, how are you?
Good, good.
Good, it's amazing to be on here today.
I listen to you guys every day.
I never miss an episode.
Oh, thank you.
So I'll just jump into it.
So my question is about building my metabolism.
So little background, two years ago,
I competed in my first speaking bodybuilding show.
My coach
kept me on prep for about 10 months
and had me ready eight weeks prior to
my show. But instead of increasing my
calories and reversing me into the
show, she continued to keep me at
under 1200 calories and about two
hours of cardio every day for those
remaining eight weeks. So at five calories and about two hours of cardio every day for those are
remaining eight weeks. So at five six, I went from weighing in the
140s and I went on stage at 112 pounds. Unfortunately, I did stay
with her for another prep. That was shortly after that first
one, but three weeks out, it was canceled due to COVID.
So six months after that, I did get a new coach and she did bulk me back up to about
152.
And then we started another prep.
After six months, I decided to call that prep off because my body was not responding.
And I wasn't willing to ruin my hormones or anything else for another show.
So, and at that point, I was at the end of the sixth month.
I was doing about 1,200 to 1,300 calories, 120 minutes of cardio, and I had only dropped
about 10 pounds.
So I ended that prep this past May and have been honestly trying to figure out
what to do next ever since.
So currently I'm holding steady between 140 and 145,
but I don't feel fully comfortable at the suites.
I did try to do a mini cut,
but after six weeks at about 1200 calories and four days of an hour of cardio,
I barely lost anything. My body didn't respond. So I know that my curmitabolism is awful. I feel like
for at with my height and how much muscle I have that my maintenance being around 14, 15 hundred calories, I think
that's extremely low. And I know that I need to reverse and increase my calories, but I
want, would prefer not to put on more weight and too, I really don't want to put on more
muscle. I do think that my upper body is where I would want it to be. I don't see myself
competing any time soon again.
So if I do put on muscle, I do focus on my lower body.
And so my question is to put it simply is,
how do I increase my metabolism
without getting that much muscular if it's possible?
Well, Shannon, so, okay, at this stage looking back,
actually right now, while you're telling us
about your first coach
that had you prepped for almost a year and doing two hours of cardio day on top of your
resistance training workouts, when you say that now or when you look back, how do you feel
about it?
Do you feel like it was a good idea?
Do you think it was totally damaging looking back?
Like what's your opinion on it now?
It makes me really frustrated, to be honest,
because I live in briefs, health and fitness,
and for some reason, I just did what she told me,
and I ignored all the red flags.
So it's very frustrating because if I had a proper coach,
I know that I could be really good.
A really good bodybuilder.
And now, let's go back, okay?
So why did you stick with it that long?
You said you live and breathe, health and fitness.
What made you ignore all the obvious signs
that this was not good?
And this is, I was not in a mind pump yet.
Seriously.
I was not, no. I wasn not listening to line pump yet. Seriously. I was not, no.
I wasn't listening to you guys yet,
but I also do have a history of binge eating
and I actually hired her as a lifestyle client first
to get my macros in order.
Because after trying to figure it out myself,
it wasn't happening.
So seeing the results, like seeing myself
actually lose weight, you know, it was a dicting. So I her. Yeah, okay, so I'm glad you were honest about that Shannon
I felt like there was something else there that might you might not have told us
Knowing that and I do want to say this and this isn't for you
I think you might have already
Unfigured this out, but this is for anybody listening right now if you have a history of
Ben jeeting or anorexia or any type of
an eating disorder or disorder related to that, the absolute worst thing you can do for
yourself is enter into some kind of a contest where you get judged on your body, especially
bikini or bodybuilding or physique or something along those lines.
It's a very, very bad thing to do.
It typically results in worse outcomes for people.
Now what we're dealing with is this, Shannon,
now you're in a situation where you literally have to heal your body.
You can't die it.
If you die, and I think you might already understand this,
if you start to die it now, nothing happens.
Your body's so resistant because of the trauma
that you put it through with a 10 month prep
and then followed up with a very short bulk
with another cut.
Your body just wants to hold on.
Has a memory of what happened
and what you have to do is get healthy.
You have to give your body a chance to get healthy.
So the scale, toss it, no more weighing yourself,
no more judging your body by its appearance,
you're gonna have to take care of yourself
and allow your body to heal for a second.
What does that mean?
Feed your body, eat whole natural foods.
Stay away from heavily processed foods
because those can definitely be triggering
and make us wanna overeat.
Focus on resistance training.
I would avoid all that crazy cardio that you're doing
because I think you have a bad relationship with it
considering you've done hours of it,
even on your reverse diet.
So I would say just walk, just go outside and walk
if you wanna do some form of cardiovascular activity.
Lift weights a few days a week, focus on full body
and heal your body.
Don't worry about gaining weight, don't worry about losing weight, don't worry about gaining
muscle.
None of that matters until you get your body to the point where it's healthy and not scared
anymore about, you know, the fact that it might have to go back to where it was before.
If you do that for a while, I think it'll be shocked at how your body starts to respond,
but it may take a while.
It may take you a year or two.
You've done about a year,
or maybe even more than a year,
you actually did more than a year
of this kind of damaging approach to yourself,
and maybe even before that,
I don't know what you did before that.
So it may take you a year to come out of it,
but that doesn't mean within that year
you're gonna gain 50 pounds of body fat and oh my god what happened to me.
If you take care of yourself in a very genuine way, you'll be very pleasantly surprised
that you're not going to get some crazy rebound, but you're going to give your body an opportunity
to heal a little bit.
And then at that point you can get back on focusing on maybe more of a reverse diet or whatever.
But I think right now if we focus too heavily on calories and macros and the scale and all
that stuff, I don't think that's a great idea for you at this moment.
You also said something that would concern me if you're a client and I'm trying to help
you in this direction, which was that you do not want to put on any muscle right now.
And if you've got that in the back of your head
while you're also trying to build your metabolism right now,
it's going to be really tough for you to overcome
what you potentially might see in the mirror during this process.
Because if I tell you to limit or cut out cardio completely,
and I say just focus on strength training,
feed your body like Sal is saying,
there is very much so a potential that we might put a few pounds on.
You might look a little fuller.
You might build some muscle, but I'd have to be in your ear on a regular basis,
telling you this is just part of the process.
Just trust the process.
We've got to rebuild this metabolism.
I promise you that losing muscle is one of the easiest things you could ever do in life.
So don't worry. We can, we can peel it down later if you absolutely hate it. I promise you that losing muscle is one of the easiest things you could ever do in life.
So don't worry, we can peel it down later if you absolutely hate it.
But right now, our focus has to be around getting you healthy.
And for me, it would be a little more prescriptive.
I know Sal was kind of being vague, but I would say you're lifting only two to three times
a week.
Maps and a ball, it is what I would have you on.
You are not allowed to do any cardio.
You can walk.
So if you have a routine because there's a one thing I never want to take from my clients,
if you really enjoy that getting on the treadmill or stairmaster or doing these long bouts of
exercise, I wouldn't say, you know, go sit on the couch and do nothing.
I'd say, okay, well, go for a nice walk, you know,
go walk on the treadmill if you want
or write a, write a recumbent bike and read a book
or do something that's more recuperative
and active at the same time.
But I do not want you pushing the body and running
and sweating doing cardio.
Movement is fine, but mainly focused
around the two to three days a week of a full body
routine. That is it as far as strength training. And then the rest focused around, you know,
eating the whole foods and slowly increasing your calories. Our goal would be, can I minimize
the amount of weight that I put on while also increasing calories over the course of the
next six months plus and Sal is right. we have to fix this first before we worry anything
about our aesthetics and where we want, if you want to get out of
this, if you want to get out of this, that's got to be the focus. And
and again, not to pile on because this is a good time to, to
address the audience. This is one of the, the, my biggest pet
heaves with online virtual coaches.
Now, this is an extreme example
because you're a competitor,
but this is happening every day to thousands,
maybe more than thousands of people
that are hiring these people online
to give them diets and recommendations
to get their body to look a certain way.
And it's dangerous.
And it could really affect somebody long-term
and you gotta focus on health first
and get that under control.
Shannon, are you in the market for another coach?
No, no, currently I'm not.
If you are, if you get to the point
where you'd like to hire someone to help you,
do not hire a fitness coach,
don't hire, definitely don't hire a prep coach. I would
suggest you work with a therapist that understands and works with either eating disorders or body
image issues. So non-fitness-related, but someone you can talk to on a regular basis, on a weekly
basis or bi-weekly basis, that focuses on those things. Now, here's how I'm going to sell it to you, Shannon.
And I'm not going to lie to you.
I'm going to be very honest.
If you work with that kind of a therapist, you'll get better results than you ever did
with the other coaches.
I'm talking about physical results.
Okay.
You will get the side effect of that.
We'll be, you'll get better physical results, even though they're not going to coach
you on fitness or macros or calories.
They're just going to work on body image and they're going to work on eating
issues and relationships with food and relationships with yourself. And that's, I'll put my money on that all day long. So if you think to yourself, I want to hire somebody, go in that direction.
Not only is it something that I think you'll just benefit from generally, but I think physically,
you'll get way more out of that than any fitness nutrition coach that you'll find.
Okay. All right. Do you have maps in a ballac by the way? You'll get way more out of that than any fitness nutrition coach that you'll find.
Okay. All right, do you have maps in a ballac by the way?
I do.
Oh good, so you're set.
And you know what, Shannon,
if you're not in the private forum,
we're gonna let you in the private forum.
I would love for you to give us some,
you know, just to let us know how you're doing.
Yes, please.
A couple of months.
Please, and as the challenges arise,
which they will share with us.
And we'll do our best to kind of help support along the way.
Cause that, for me, I think the hardest thing
that I know I would have to deal with is
you already kind of know in your head.
I don't want to build muscle.
And so you're gonna, you're gonna struggle
with that a little bit as you start
to potentially put on a little bit of weight.
It's gonna be a head game.
This is gonna be really, really hard on your psyche.
And I can relate, okay, cause I know I went through something kind of similar. So it's going to be a challenge,
understand that, know that going into it, that, okay, the obstacle in my way is going to be me.
And remember that, because you're going to that, that side of you is going to emerge,
especially if you haven't weighed yourself in a few weeks and maybe you're feeling a little
bit tighter in your jeans or maybe you're getting stronger.
Oh, am I gaining weight?
What's going on?
That's going to be your biggest challenge.
So just keep that in mind, okay?
Try to stay above that.
Try to maintain kind of an elevated view of everything because it'll lead you in the right
direction.
Okay.
I have a quick follow up.
So you said do not focus on any macros or calories right now. So don't count or track.
No, no, no, eat whole natural foods.
You know, make sure you're eating protein with every meal,
but don't, and just listen to your body.
So eat until you're satisfied, not until you're stuffed.
Does that make sense?
Do you know what that feels like?
Yes.
OK.
And that would be, if you were going to track anything,
I'd say just pay attention to protein intake.
And you don't even have to be per size.
It's like you know your body weight
somewhere in the 131.40, so make sure you're getting
about 110 to 120 grams of protein a day.
And as long as you're close to that consistently.
Yeah, if you're eating 30 to 40 grams of protein
three times a day, you're fine.
Yep.
Yeah, not an issue.
I get around like 160 now.
Okay.
Yeah.
All right.
Good.
As long as you hit that and then stick to the whole foods and then you'll be fine.
Thanks for calling in, Shannon.
Good luck.
Okay.
Sounds good.
Thank you.
You know, it makes me so mad because it gets me all.
Oh, I know.
This is your guys world.
So I'm just like, bro, they literally prey on people's challenges
and insecurities.
And the problem is this, this coach that helped her,
here's the worst part of it, okay?
The worst evil is done by people who think
they're doing good.
Yeah, that's the problem.
The problem is these idiots think
that they're doing the right thing.
And it's because they themselves have these terrible
relationships with their body and diet and nutrition.
Oh, they think they're doing the right thing.
This worked for me.
So what a 10 month prep.
It's crazy.
With two hours of cardio, 1200 calories a day.
This is happening all over the place.
And this is again, you know, many people too, that you know, the trend has become too to hire a prep coach just to get you in shape.
Forget that you're going to get on stage.
That this, this whole Instagram coaching thing has gone so viral.
And that's what people do.
Save your money.
Is, oh, let me look at this body that looks amazing.
Oh, there are pro, you know,
physique competitor, there are pro bikini.
So, and they do coaching.
So I'm gonna apply the same process.
Yeah, I'm gonna hire them, get ready for Vegas in three months.
These are the idiots that are gonna get personal training
super regulated by the federal, this is right here.
These idiots right here, hurting. That's going to make,
and it makes all coaches and trainers look bad. I mean, it's times like this. I wish,
you know, I would, maybe I shouldn't have, but I would have loved to get this person's name out
there. So that nobody hires this moron anymore. Well, the truth is there's more of them than the
other. I know you've got one that off. It's like a hydra, right? Yeah, it doesn't even matter.
Like you're not even, you're, yeah, there's too many people that, uh, that this is happening
to right now and it's, it's a, it's really, really sad to see, I'm so glad though that
you did bring up, um, you know, the eating thing, I, you smelt it out right away, that there
was something more there.
It was underlying.
And it, the, the irony in this is that the, the people that are attracted to this, which
we talk about, it's time to peel, are the people that are attracted to this, which we talk about is the people that are the ones that need it to least. And that's the most dangerous for.
If you already have body image issues or you have any sort of an eating disorder in the past,
literally going to compete is the worst thing you could possibly try talking the matter of that.
Yeah, it's difficult. It's like being an ex alcoholic and then signing up for, you know,
wine tasting every weekend or something like that. Like what are you doing? That's it. It's like being an ex-alcoholic and then signing up for, you know, blind tasting every weekend or something like that.
Like, what are you doing?
That's the odds of you not relapsing into some kind of dysfunction or so small.
So don't do that if you have any body image issues.
Unfortunately, majority of people that sign up for those contests, that's why.
They sign up for those contests.
I know, but also the problem is, are, but are also not aware that they have body image
issues.
They think that sometimes it's willingness.
They're willingly unaware.
She knows going into this that she had bulimia issues, but you'll willingly ignore, like,
no, no, I'm going to keep doing this.
It's not until after when you look back and go, wow, like what have I done?
And it just makes me upset because people in our space yeah, it was bad advice.
We have the tools to solve health problems, not to create them.
Like we shouldn't be creating more health issues.
Our next color is Balthazar from South Africa.
Balthazar, how can we help you?
Hey, what's up, guys? How you doing?
Good. It's happening.
Now I'm doing well.
So I just want to ask a question around
like rap and state volume when chaining for strength. So just just want to ask a question around like Rapin State volume when training for strength.
So just a bit of background. I'm about I'm 25 years old. I'm about like 187 centimeters. I think
that's six foot one. I'm not sure how the conversion is good. I'm not as good at conversions,
but I wear around 196 pounds. So I play cricket for fun. So I train cricket twice a week and then have a game on the weekend and then I
Strengths train five days a week
So since these need you guys are cut down
significant on my
State volume and my rate volume and my question is based around that that so I wanted to know is it counterproductive
To train for strength on your compound lifts?
So like what between one and six reps,
and then for your hypertrophy,
for the other exercises on your exercise day,
so between eight and 12 reps,
especially if you're trying to gain strength. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, well to it. So what you're doing is perfectly fine. I will say that now your goal, it sounds
like your goal is to get stronger in the in the big three lifts. Is that correct?
Yeah, I think for my size, I feel I'm not pulling and pushing like a lot of weight. I know
it's not good to compare, but I feel like I can like for my size, I should be, you know,
doing a lot like being able to like cool and push a lot more.
How long you been working out?
Because I'm going to give you a program, but I want to make sure I send you the right one.
So I've been probably stringed training for like a year and a half,
but I've been playing sports since I was very little.
So we had a little bit of string training in between, but not a lot of focus on it,
but properly for a year and a half.
And then you're not going to go away from an Ebola right now.
Well, I was just going to say, how intense are your practices?
How intense are practices for cricket?
Are they pretty like hard workouts?
It's three days away.
No, it's not hard.
Hard workouts is around two hours.
And it's basically almost like a baseball, I could say.
So it's a lot of like throwing and a little bit of running.
But on weekends, our matches are like nine to 10 hours long.
So I try to stay away from doing push workouts
like on a Friday before the game
because I don't want to do a very press
and then my shoulder's.
Cricket is the ultimate it's the ultimate
spectator sport for the dad who is like sorry I got a whole day.
It's a little bit golf even huh?
I was going to say so.
So balthazar I'm going to I'm going to send you maps and a ball.
That's right.
I think that's perfect for what you want and your current you know training
regime with your sport.
We also have something called maps power lift,
although maps power lift is better run by itself
without additional exercise and athletics.
Maps and a ball like I think would be ideal.
And you can choose two or three foundational workouts a week on it.
I'd start you off on two.
Do the two foundational workouts
and then stick to your normal practice,
two trigger sessions on some of the off days.
And I wouldn't be surprised if your strength
went through the roof.
I'm probably gonna be probably getting the off season
where you're not like comboing that
with your skills, sessions,
what you're doing in practice and everything else.
So you could just focus completely on,
you know, getting strong in those core lifts.
The biggest challenge you're gonna have
is the mental piece here,
because it sounds like you're a competitive type
of person, athlete, you were already lifting five days
a week on a push, push pull legs,
and you were doing three days of cricket.
So us all of a sudden coming in here and saying,
okay, more than cut your strength training in half
and your goals get stronger,
it's gonna sound counterproductive
to what you're trying to do,
but the truth is this is the direction you need to go.
So you need to kind of trust the process.
I'm-
I need to recover to move forward.
Yeah, I'm about that.
I'm gonna make sure Doug puts you in the private forum.
That way too, we could yell at you
if you don't listen to us over the next couple of months.
Because this is the most tempting thing,
a young guy like you's gonna have,
okay, it totally can relate to this being 25 years old,
full of piss and vinegar.
I'm playing, playing sports on the side for fun.
I'm also trying to build muscle and I want to end the, and the thought is the
more I put into it, the more I'm going to get out.
But it's, this is not true when it comes to building muscle and strength.
There, there is a too much and a too little.
And I think you're leaning on too much and a too little.
And I think you're leaning on too much if our goal is to get stronger week over week,
just simply backing off to the two to three days of maps and a ball of routine is going
to give you the results you want.
You just got to trust the process.
They'll stick with it for a while.
You don't even have to trust it for that long.
I think if you follow it within the first two or three weeks, you'll see strength gains.
So within the first few weeks, you'll know right away, like, oh, this is definitely working
for me.
That's how confident we are in this kind of programming with what you're currently doing.
But I would start with the two foundational.
Don't go to three unless you stopped getting results from the two.
And I'd be surprised if you probably did a whole three month cycle with two foundational
workouts and add tremendous amounts of weight to your main lifts.
Another way to use that, I think we gave this advice to someone the other day, is for you
to decide whether you go to, or this is a beautiful thing about maps and a ball, you could have
one week where you do two times a week, the next week you do three, and then the week after
that you go back to two, It doesn't mess up the programming.
So you could kind of choose that if you like.
And we gave this advice to someone who was in a similar situation.
I believe she was like a volleyball player or something.
I don't remember who it was.
But if you can learn to read your own body and have the self-awareness to go like, oh,
you know, this week we really didn't practice that hard at cricket or the game was easier
or my body just feels really good.
Maybe I go to three days a week and if it's a week where you know you had a extra long game or practice was taxing or maybe you had a lot of work was kind of stressful. If it's kind of a higher
stress week and you know that you've kind of you know, taxed your body more than the week
previous than you dropped to two. So if you get good at kind of paying attention to those things
which I recommend you start paying attention to if you're not already,
and adjust the amount of training you're doing based off that,
I think that works really well too.
We'll send that over to you, okay?
Balthazar.
Awesome.
Can I maybe just ask two questions around that?
If that's okay.
Yeah, sure.
So I kind of have like a history of like, I would say, other training, like, I really like
training and I try to do it every day, but if let's say I can only do the two foundational
workouts a week, how do I, you know, stop myself from doing something on that day?
Is it something I can replace it with?
Yeah, mobility.
You can do trigger sessions, mobility.
You can do trigger sessions, you can do mobility work, you can go outside and hike. You can go for walks. You can do yoga. I don't want you to not be active.
It's just low to moderate intensity. Yeah, I just don't want you to lift weights, you know,
with high intensity. When you get the program, you're going to see that. So even though we're
saying two to three foundational days, the other two days a week are trigger sessions. So your
technically could be working out still four or five days.
It's just a lot different intensity.
Follow the trigger sessions as applied on there.
And if you wanted to do more on top of that, I'd say some light mobility work with there
and a great place to start from mobility.
If you don't have any direction on that is if you go to the maps or is it primeprowebinar.com
Yes.
Go to primeprowebinar.com.
Literally follow that routine
That I do on there. It's about a 50 minute routine
So if you feel antsy and you want to do something and you want to do movement you follow that
I think that'll have tremendous benefit for you
Okay, great. Thank you. No problem. Thanks for calling that. Yeah, thank you
And I just want to thank you guys again for I know everyone says this but no
Since this and you guys like for, I know everyone says this, but since it's you guys,
like my life has changed a lot.
I appreciate that.
In a personal and professional life,
my relationship, everything has changed.
Oh, thank you very much, man.
That's more convenient.
I'm always welcome to here.
Thank you.
Appreciate that, man.
Appreciate that.
You know, we've had a huge surge of listeners
from South Africa recently.
So it looks like we've kind of caught on over there,
which is kind of cool.
Yeah, this is named, dude.
Baphasah.
And now, right.
Two things that are very interesting.
One, I forgot that cricket was that long.
I remember I had a buddy who played it
and he said that sometimes they would stop a game
and have to restart it later
because it was, they're just so,
I can go on for so long.
That's crazy.
It's a wild ball got like long. And you know, winded.
Yeah.
That has to be like to set the record.
One of those episodes on Bad Sport had one of the on cricket.
And I'm like, I was, it gave me like the urge
to want to go figure it out.
Cause it's so frustrating for someone like me
who likes sports, to watch a sport and not know what's going on.
I know that's right.
Yeah, it's so confusing to me.
Paul, I'm sure it's not that confusing.
It's just so new to me.
So I don't know. But, but yeah, back to, you Paul, I'm sure it's not that confusing. It's just so new to me, so I don't know.
But yeah, back to kind of what he was talking about
with his workouts and stuff.
You know, the right dose is the right dose.
And I know, and I look, I get it, man,
I do this all the time to myself.
You wanna do more because you enjoy the process,
which is actually a good place to be.
You just gotta be smart about it.
Otherwise, the process will kill you also.
So, but yeah, if you enjoy the process, I totally get it.
You just want to be constructive.
So I'm glad he has.
You've got the balances, man.
And I'm glad he asked that second part,
like, okay, what do I do?
Cause I like to move.
It's like, you can totally move.
Yeah.
You just do other things that are gonna benefit you.
Don't just get you smarter about it.
I mean, that's really the key.
You should just know that there's the right dose there that's gonna propel you forward. You do too much. Not gonna be to about it. I mean that's really the keys to just know that there's the right dose there
That's gonna propel you forward. You do too much. It's not gonna be to your benefit. Totally
Our next color is Michael from Florida. Michael. What's up, man? How can we help you? Hey, what's going on guys?
So I in the past I guess
12 years. I've had two
major weight fluctuations where I gained a lot of weight, lost a lot of weight.
The first one I lost 50 pounds, I gained 50 pounds, lost it all, I did that, I'm actually training for a triathlon.
The second one, I got a job, met a girl, got comfortable, gained a lot of weight.
I actually got a serious injury.
I was non-weight-bearing for 90 days, and I pretty much gained all the weight back again.
And then I lost the weight the second time by doing your favorite exercise, doing crossfit.
And then I kind of plateaued for a while.
I tried a bunch of different things, and it carved cycling,
which screwed up my stomach so bad,
I had to stop doing that.
And then I recently just completed an Iron Man
this past weekend.
I'm actually still down here now in Florida.
And I'm kind of like nervous that,
I used to love lifting weights,
and now everything I've been doing is endurance
and beat myself up.
And I feel like I've screwed up my metabolism over the past 12 years
Doing this up and down up and down especially with the crazy endurance training
I've been doing the last six months and I'm kind of done with it
And I want to get into lifting again, and I'm just like kind of lost
I don't really know where to start. I don't want to just go into the gym and and do the same thing every day
So I'm just kind of looking for your advice.
Yeah, no, good question for sure.
So, okay.
Okay, why do you do these events?
What's the motivation behind Iron Man, Trial Flawne?
Crossfit.
Crossfit.
What's the real, I want to hear the truth
of the root motivation behind why you do these.
So I grew up swimming and I was actually a really bad place
during the first trough when I did.
I got laid off from my job.
I was working in Atlantic City, which is a crazy nightlife.
And I was just going down a really bad path.
So I found a local trough on this coming into Atlantic City.
I decided to sign up for it.
And I was really motivated to train for it. I actually met my wife, she was training for an Olympic
triathlon distance triathlon and kind of got into it. And then we decided to have a family and I ironed Manson's really cool. And this was kind of my last shot to do an Ironman for the next
10 years because we have hopefully have another one on the way.
So the time to train really is it going to be here.
So I did the Iron Man.
The crossfit thing, honestly, I moved to a new area and I needed to lose weight.
And I was, I kind of needed to lose like 40 pounds at the time and I jumped in to a crossfit
and I kicked my ass and I was like, oh, this is going to be great.
And it helps.
It'll get me wrong.
I mean, I end up losing a lot of weight, but I feel like it might have done more bad
than good.
Aside from the things you do say, like, you know, I was deadliving, I was squatting, I
was doing things that I haven't done in the gym before, which, you know, I was deadliving
500 pounds at one point.
So I know long term, it's not healthy for me,
and especially with like I said, the gaining weight
and losing it all the time, but I'm done with the end time
stuff at least for now.
Yeah, do you feel like if you don't sign up for an event
or a competition that you tend to go
in the opposite direction?
The motivation thing.
100%.
100%.
Okay, so we need to address that first, Mike,
because any advice I give you is not gonna work unless that is
Insolved okay, so you have to change the
Relationship that you have with fitness and exercise because right now
Fitness and exercise is you're using it like a drug, okay?
So whatever the other drug is whether it be not moving and eating a lot of food or whatever,
what you're doing is you're replacing that drug
with fitness and because fitness is better for you,
gets you to move, it's not as bad as maybe what the other drug was.
So we tend to not identify the fact
that it can also be damaging.
I've had a lot of, I've had situation
with clients that quit smoking and then they started using exercise like smoking
and overdid it in that direction as well.
So I want you to change your motivation.
You said you're having another baby.
I don't know if this will work for you.
This is work for other clients in mind,
but I want you to focus on longevity and quality of life.
So what I mean by quality of life is
like think of the most important things
that you have in your life.
Maybe being a father, being productive at work, being a good husband, what kind of workouts make you better at those things,
and keep reminding yourself of that while you're going through what I'm about to recommend. Because if
you do that, you'll stay on the right path. If you maintain the kind of relationship that you've
had in the past with exercise, the advice I'm going to give you right now is not going to work. It'll be very short term and at some point you'll either fall
off and then rebound by signing up for another event or going extreme in another direction
or by giving up entirely because it just doesn't feel good. Okay, so the route has to be there. But once
you can do that and remind yourself of that, I think for someone like you, a program like Maps Performance,
I'm glad you went that way.
It would be a great,
I was sure you're gonna go that way
and I do like that a lot for him.
Yeah, because you have the athletic background,
I think you'll appreciate the functional component
of Maps Performance.
There's a mobility component in there,
so I think you'll enjoy that,
so you can do some kind of fitness every single day.
Brandy stimulus in a lot of different
direction. Totally. It'll make you feel good. But you got to remind yourself of that route.
What's making me a better person today? Do I feel better today? Do that quality of life,
you know, longevity. That'll put you in the right direction. Otherwise, like I said, this
advice I'm giving you is not going to help. I also like the idea of maps performance too.
I just recently was sharing with the guys
that I had a phone call with my nephew,
who just moved from maps and a ball
like it's now going to performance.
And I was trying to coach him that you have to complete,
get the change your mindset going into this program.
And it's all around movement.
And so what Sal's saying about quality of life and the child
and all this, like I would totally reframe the way I look at exercise.
It's like, one, my goal is like,
what's the least amount I can do to get the most results?
Because I'd rather spend more time with my family
than in a gym or hammering myself training
for like an Iron Man.
So that's first and foremost.
And then I wanna be able to do things like squat down
and play with my son while he's on toy
and not feel like my back is killing me and my knees are killing me.
So when I exercise, I'm doing movements that are going to support that.
And that is like a win for me.
That's more of a win than hitting a new PR in the deadlift or the squat.
And so when you approach this program, you know, approach it with goals like that is,
hey, I've never really focused on my squat depth or my movement
quality.
Can I look at these exercises, watch the model that's dimming on them, and my goal isn't,
can I get the weight way up and get stronger in this movement?
My goal is, can I make this movement look perfect?
Like I'm the model.
Can I make it look better than what they're doing it and approach your exercise like that?
Yeah, you're re-examining a lot of these familiar exercises that you've been in a race
to get through. And I don't know if that resonates at all, but for me, I very much have had that
mentality that you've had in terms of trying to find the next super hard punishing thing
to get involved in. And it was always a race for me to get there.
And I just felt like I always needed that.
But this is one of those things where you can reexamine
a lot of these types of exercises
and find out the real value.
If you just slow down, if you slow down,
your body is gonna benefit tremendously.
And to be able to kind of like shift your mindset
towards that is gonna be able to take it more in a sustainable direction in terms of longevity,
right? The race really is sustainability for you. What can you stick with the longest
and not want to just jump into the next thing and punish yourself?
Yeah, it's going to be a practice, okay, not a workout. Now, you're definitely going to
work out, but I want you to think of it as a practice,
a daily or almost daily practice,
whether it's one of the foundational workouts
or mobility session,
Math Performance gives you the option
to be working out or doing a mobility session,
one of those five days a week.
Three of those workouts will be a little longer
and the other two will be shorter kind of mobility sessions.
But go into it like a practice, like think of it as a practice.
So very zen.
Okay, that's the mentality I want you to go into it with and use that, that same competitive
mindset that got you to lose 50 pounds to do a triathlon or whatever.
Think of yourself, zen, quality of life, it's a practice.
Once it clicks, you're going to find this rhythm that's
going to feel very good, very balanced and serve you well, rather than pushing you to
red line and then causing you to stop and continue the cycle.
By the way, you mentioned your metabolism being ruined. It's not ruined. It's doing exactly
what it's supposed to do. So don't worry. You don't think you're like, oh my God, I
damaged my body. What am I going to do? Your body responded the way it evolved to respond,
and it will respond the way it evolved to respond
if you do what we're telling you.
And if you do what we're telling you,
what you'll find is your metabolism will start to,
not worry so much about being so hyper efficient.
You're gonna build some muscle, you'll start to move better,
and you'll develop a comfortable,
good relationship with exercise
where it feels not just exhilarating
because I know you know what that feels like
or punishing or like I survived.
Like that's okay occasionally,
but the kind of relationship you develop with exercise
is like I said a practice.
Like this sets me up and boy can I be a great father,
business owner, employee, husband, whatever,
it's going to improve the quality of your lifelong term.
So go into it that way and I think you'll have tremendous success.
And if you don't have maps for formats, we're going to send that over to you right now.
Awesome.
Cool.
Yeah, I definitely don't have it.
Yeah, my wife will be pleased to know more 15 hour training weeks.
So you're maniac, dude.
Just tell her, say, hey, look, the guy said to replace my workouts with sex.
So we're not going to have to do a lot of sex.
I'm sorry.
Done.
You're welcome.
There you go.
All right.
Thanks, guys.
No problem.
Yeah.
That's the, the old, I had, this isn't like the most common thing, but I had.
It's pretty common.
It's a lot of these.
I mean, I wouldn't say it's like a majority,
but I definitely had those clients that they'd finish one race.
Gotta work out for the next.
I actually think it's like they had to do it that way.
Yeah, I'd say it's really common.
But what is hard is getting somebody who's into all these things to
convince them that that's their issue.
It's not a good thing, right?
They all, I mean, you, when you're in this,
on this track a lot of times, it's a good thing for you.
Like, oh, I'm gonna sign up the next hire.
I'm gonna sign up for the next this.
I'm gonna sign up for the next that
and they don't realize that they have this pattern of,
oh, wow, unless I'm signed up for someone like this,
I'm terrible at being consistent with my diet and my training.
You know, is there something else underlining there?
Or is this a good behavior to have for the rest of my life?
There's all the gurus out there that they're probably following
that really hype this up.
You gotta get off, you gotta get up at 4 a.m.
And there's just so much of that
that this message here is just not elevated enough.
Yeah, I had a female client that she just was just repetitive over and over again.
And she got to the point where she was doing like an event every other month.
And what finally got her to open her eyes was when she could not lose, she could not get
leaner eating under 1200 calories, running 20 plus miles a week and lifting weights four
to five days a week.
And she's like, why can't I get an e-liner?
I can't get below, you know, I don't remember what it was, like below 20% body fat.
And I said, well, this is all the stuff I've been telling you.
And she finally like, okay, I give up.
I surrender.
I'll do what you say.
A year later, she was eating 20 something hundred calories a day in a
leaner than ever and working out way, way less.
It totally works.
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