Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1696: Partial Reps Vs. Full Reps for Building Muscle, the Pros & Cons of Workout Partners, the Best Tools for Recovery & More

Episode Date: December 1, 2021

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about partial reps vs. full range of motion for hypertrophy, the pros and cons of having a workout partner, the benefit of massage guns, cold tubs, and saunas for recovery, and the value of Glutamine as a supplement. Mind Pump Fit Tip: When it comes to fitness, more is NOT always better. (4:21) Humans’ similarities and differences to primates. (15:49) Adam’s “Griswold's” Christmas Tree. (28:33) Friendsgiving with the Di Stefano’s. (35:16) Why companies like Butcher Box are positioned well to weather this inflationary storm. (37:10) How Adam has inspired Sal to venture out to nicer restaurants. (39:12) How humans tend to attach greed to money. (42:04) Mind Pump loves old pop culture. (45:08) Tiger King 2: Worth the hype or disappointment? (47:37) Get your Felix Gray’s now! (52:18) #Quah question #1 – What are your thoughts on partial reps vs. full range of motion for hypertrophy? (59:08) #Quah question #2 – What are the pros and cons of having a workout partner? (1:08:06) #Quah question #3 – What are your thoughts on massage guns, cold tubs, and saunas for recovery? (1:18:16) #Quah question #4 – Is there any value in taking Glutamine as a supplement? (1:24:55) Related Links/Products Mentioned November Promotion: MAPS Anywhere and the Fit Mom Bundle – Both 50% off! **Promo code “NOVEMBER50” at checkout** HOW INFIGHTING CHIMPS LED TO A 4-YEAR ‘CIVIL WAR’ Sex at Dawn: How We Mate, Why We Stray, and What It Means for Modern Relationships Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer! BE.STEAK.A Why Does Bernie Sanders Think Billionaires Should Get Out of Space? All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg Watch Tiger King | Netflix Official Site Visit Felix Gray for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “EVERYTHING15” at checkout** Visit LivON Labs for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! MAPS Aesthetic Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Vintage Cheese (@vintage.cheese)  Instagram

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This is where we answered some questions. So at the end of this episode, or the back half, I should say, we did four fitness and health questions that were asked by listeners, just like you. But the way we opened the episode is with a 53 minute intro, where we talked about current events, scientific studies, talked about our lives, and we talked about some of our sponsors.

So here's what went down in today's episode. We opened up by talking about more, not always being better. This is one of the most difficult things to learn about working out. More is not always better. Then we talked about civil war among chimps. Yeah, when some scientists actually observed

a 40 year civil war with chimpanzees, that's kind of crazy. Confederate chimps. Then Adam talked about the Christmas tree that he brought home. That was massive, it was 15 feet tall. So, total interesting story, how he got it in the house and got it up.

I talked about the friends giving weekend that I had with some of my friends and family. Got some cousins who have new babies as well. Got all the kids together, it was a good time. Then we talked about how bacon and pork prices have exploded. Bacon alone, 28% more expensive over the last 12 months. However, if you're signed up to butcher box

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and sonas for recovery. And the fourth question, this person wants to know if there's any value in this supplement, glutamine. Also, this is the last day for our November special. Half-off maps anywhere, there's no gym required for this program, and half off the Fit Mom bundle, which includes maps anywhere, maps hit, maps in a ball, it got three workout programs, by the way,

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When it comes to training, more is not always better. This is a big lesson, especially for those of you fitness fanatics. You do more, you get better results until you stop and then you go backwards. Alright, that's not what my coach told me. Yeah, I told him. How many times have you guys had to relearn this particular lesson? Oh man, this is probably one of the hardest ones because it, again, like, as a joke, it was seriously like a mentality I had in the gym.

More intensity, I was like, I have to be there more often. I have to do this like almost every day. The week in order for me to get to the maximum level of achievement I can get. So I think what makes this one difficult is that less is not necessarily more here either, right? There's the right dose. Exactly. It's normally when more doesn't mean more, most often it means less means more, but in

this situation, it's not always true either. It's like, so I think that, and it's also a moving target, right? So there's not like the perfect amount of volume and intensity that you apply every day, day in, day out, week over week, month over a month. It's kind of this moving target all the time. So I think this is why we all kind of misjudged this, even with our experience, we still...

No, that's a good point. Your lifestyle will determine what is the right dose of volume and intensity. Now, but here's a follow up question to that. Okay, you're a fitness fanatic. Where do you tend to mess up? On the less or the more side? Oh, always.

I mean, that's why I'm always careful about this conversation because there's two very distinct clients that come to mind when I think about this conversation. And they're on polar opposite ends of the spectrum. You've got the client who is inconsistent, is never strong, two months of working out three days a week, and is looking for every excuse not to work out or take a day off. You have that one, and then you have the other one who is a fitness fanatic.

They love to work out. They would swear they need to work out and they love the sweat. They love the burn. They love the cortisol. And so that's why this is such a challenging conversation is most people fall in one of those two categories. And so you're trying to push one up and you're trying to pull one back. You know, I'm going to add to that though, because I will say this,

even the inconsistent people, people who never really make it a part of their lifestyle, they tend to overdo it when they do it. You know what I'm saying? They'll do nothing. And they'll do it and then they'll do too much. Right, right. So it's a message that's important, I think,

for everybody to understand that there's the right dose. And now here's where I always screw up, right? I learned learned it took me a while to learn that if I did too much I would over train Not only would my body not improve, but it would actually start to go backwards So it would be just required too much recovery the Adaptation process couldn't occur because my body was trying to heal all the time. I was beating myself up So then I would scale it down and then this is where I would fall. There's this like maximum amount of volume and intensity that you can tolerate. And then there's the optimum amount of volume and intensity. And oftentimes the optimum

amount is still less than what you can tolerate. Like I can work out, I can push the limit and not necessarily over train, but I'm going beyond what's necessary, which means I'm just slowing down my progress. And that's what I mess with now. It's like, oh, I think I could do more. I think I could do more. So I know what overtraining feels like. But now it's hard to figure out the right dose

because I still wanna go and push harder and do more. But this is one of those things that's like, if your body's responding well, you probably should stick to what you're doing. And what we tend to do, I don't know about you guys, but this is when I overdo it. It's when I'm crushing. I'm doing great.

And then my next thought is, let's do more. Oh yeah, I don't over train, or I don't tend to over train. I've learned now, right, when I get back. Well, I shouldn't say that either, too, so that's not true. So there's even like when I've been inconsistent for a while, many times when I get back into it, I know that obviously I can't return right to the same volume, the same level of intensity that I was training at, let's say a month ago or whatever.

So I know better than to go all the way there, but I still tend to do a little more than need it. And I'm always reminded of that the next day or two when I see how sore I was and I go, and but my attitude is different. Like when I was younger and I'd feel sore like that, I'd be like, oh yeah, that was a good workout. I did the right thing. I did it, I got a good workout in.

Worked today when that happens, if I'm really sore from a workout from the day before, I go, shit, I didn't need to do that much. That's how I think now. And it is, it's still hard to gauge even after all these years. And what I've learned too is just that you, it's almost like you can almost not do too little, right?

So if I have, if you haven't been training for extended period times, say a month or beyond, for someone who's, let's say at these holidays, I have to get back into the swing of things like many people will, you've come into the swing of things like many people will? You're going to the gym and just doing five sets of squats and leaving is probably more than enough for a majority of people.

I agree. And you don't feel like that in your head, you think you need to do so much more. No, I agree with you. In fact, if, and this is really true for fitness fanatics who go off and then come back after a layoff is that the, it's easier to, to add more if you did too little than it is to pull back when you've done too much. When you've done too much, you're already in the hole. Your body's already trying to recover a lot.

And now you have to really scale back and allow that to happen. But if you did like a really easy workout at worst, you'll get a little bit of results, but that's okay because you can scale it up the next week. You don't have to pull back as much. I think the big challenge is that we confuse healing and recovery with adaptation because they often happen at the same time. But healing is literally your body's healing itself from the damage. Adaptation in this context is going above and beyond that. So it's like body's healing from the damage, now wants to get stronger and more resilient so that next time that insult, that stress,

doesn't cause damage, but they're different. So just because you recover doesn't necessarily mean you're adapted. Well, this one, yeah, it was definitely a hard one for me to realize because there was this mentality that eventually your body's going to adapt. If I keep sort of going intense and I keep adding more to the plate, my body eventually

has to overcome these odds I'm facing. These challenges right in front of me. That's like sort of the athletic sort of mentality of like, I could just get over all of these obstacles, you know, eventually. And so to keep adding it, to me was always like, well, I could just bust through all of this and on the other side of it, I'm going to be hercules or whatever, right? But there's such a smarter way to go about it where you find that, that right dose where your body's going to recover and get, you know, to a point where you find that, that right dose where, you know, your body's going to recover and get, you know, to a point where you're going to be working with your body and you're

going to see results happen and it's just going to be the snowball effect if you pull back just a bit and find that sweet spot. I think a lot of that has to do with athletics. There's, I don't know if I want to say there's more room for air because you would think low with professional sports, that's not true, but with athletics, there's other adaptations that you're getting from quote unquote over training. Mental. Yeah, mental discipline, resiliency, work capacity, right. And those play in the favor of the athlete regardless of your sport.

It's hard to parse those out too. Right. And so you're getting, so you may not get a tremendous increase speed or increased vertical or put on more muscle mass, but you are gonna get work capacity, mental toughness, stamina from pounding the body like that. And so what I think happens to a lot of athletes is because they're getting those adaptations

from training over training like that, they assume that they're training their directions when in reality there's a sweeter spot. But I think that's why people that are played sports have a hard time with this. You know, it's funny. I used to train this. I've talked about him a few times in the podcast. He was an older dude in his late 70s, self-made millionaire, loved him, and he used to box back in the day,

he was from the East Coast, and then he coached boxers. So we would talk, the fight sports all the time. Those are really the only sports that I like to watch. So we had great conversations. And then we talked about heart, right? You've always heard like boxers being referred to as some of them having a lot of heart. And what does that mean, right?

They can take a beating, they stay in the fight, they're scrappy, they don't give up. And we would talk about how to train of heart. And what does that mean, right? They can take a beating, they stay in the fight, they're scrappy, they don't give up. And we would talk about how to train for heart. And he said, you know what's funny, Sally goes, if you have, if you're really in shape and you have a lot of stamina endurance, you automatically have a lot more heart. I said, that's a very good point.

He said, often times, it's the more fit person that has more heart because he's not sitting there feeling like he's gonna die. He said, now of course it's also the mental aspect of it. Now the reason why I'm bringing this up is you're right, you can train lots of mental fortitude by beating yourself up in the gym. But if you show up to your sport severely over trained, you'd be as tough as you want to be. Your body breaks down, your body breaks down, and it doesn't really do you any good.

So you have to be careful with balancing that out. But I do understand that. I know the military does that, for example. They don't. Yeah. They train people to get them with balancing that out. But I do understand that. I know the military does that, for example. They don't, they train people to get them fit. And then there's training that has nothing to do with improving your fitness. It's all about, we got to make it tough.

And see what you're made of. And in a perfect world for athletes and even in the military or any case, like there's value in training blocks of that. Totally. So there's value in saying like, hey, this week, this is not about getting more weight up. This is not about us building any muscle. This is, can you take it? Can

you take the punishment? I'm going to deliver to you for the next week. And that's going to transfer into game day mental fortitude. But then there's that, okay, we've trained that way now. Now, let's also be more scientific with our approach on adding muscle, speed, agility. But in terms of more, I mean, there is a way to apply that that's really effective for athletes, and that's just, you just have to really manage your intensity appropriately. And so that way, you can, I mean,

it's everything you see in practice, right? If I'm dribbling and trying to get better at my handles and my skills for basketball, you know, the more often you do that, the better. But in terms of like, you know, weight training, it's similar, but you have to make sure the load isn't too much. You have to make sure the stress isn't overbearing to where you're not you're healing.

But, you know, practicing it constantly does really propel you forward. No, dude, along those lines, there's lots of ways to add more, right? You can add more sets, you could add more frequency and total volume or more intensity. I will say this with intensity. If you manipulate your intensity,

you can get away with a lot of frequency and volume. For example, I could take a very decontitioned person off the street and with a really low intensity, I could train them every single day. Or I could give them a 15-minute workout where I slam the intensity so high that I could probably send them to the hospital in a 15-minute workout. So, intensity is the one variable that I like to manipulate the most. So, if I increase the volume, I'll drop the intensity and then I can handle it. But if you go intense and high volume and all that stuff, you're going to be totally spinning your tires. Speaking of

intense, you know what I read this morning? Crazy. I did not know this. So did you guys know that, okay, so you guys have heard of chimpanzees going to war with each other? Have you heard of this? Oh yeah, they're brutal. So chimpanzees have been observed in nature because they have, you have, you built, they built the little clans. And then they'll raid other clans and rip their faces off. Violent, bro. Like terribly violent, like wars.

Like well, they tear them to pieces and kill the children. They eat them. I think they eat them. They'll eat them or drink their blood. It's crazy. Well, I did not know this, but there was a four year civil war

between these two chimpanzee clans that was observed. I believe in the 1970s. For four years. Four years. It started as one group, and I don't know what they call a group of chim... Is it a Congress? I think it's a Congress.

A bunch of monkeys, isn't that ironic? But anyway, it was a... Is that true? I believe so. Maybe Doug could look it up. Doug, look up the group of monkeys as a Congress, I think. Can you name it? It should be.

Communities. But a political joke that sounds like that. Let's say Congress actually sent it. No, that Congress does mean something with monkeys. Anyway, so these... A troop. A troop of monkeys. It's called troop.

A group of chimpanzees. Is this a troop? Yeah. So this huge troop of chimpanzees split off because one of them decided to become the alpha and two of the other males didn't like it. So they fought and then it created this divide. And over the course of four years, these two chimpanzee groups would go to war and would raid each other and kill each other.

And it was all observed and monitored. So wild. And I read about some of the things that they saw, this woman who was assigned to, she's like, I would have nightmares after stuff that I would see. Like there was one case where one of them I killed the other one or something and was like drinking blood from its head

and it's like, this is like scary shit that chimps. We're doing, that's our closest relatives. You think about it? Really crazy. Yeah, that's insane. I had planned out of the apes. It's already happening, I guess. Does that work? Does it. Really crazy. Yeah, that's insane. I had no idea. I had no idea. I had no idea.

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I had no idea. I had no idea. I had no idea. I had no idea. I had no idea. I had no idea. I had no idea. on what other side, what other, doesn't matter what side you are with a topic that's going on. Like, and then this has been a great year for all this bullshit. I think it reminds us how, like, that's still in our DNA. That's my point, right? So if you subscribe to that,

we evolved from these chimpanzees, right? That's our closest relative. That's innate in us, right? So we have, those are our natural behaviors. And over time, we've evolved and we become more civilized, but you still have those deep down, those tendencies. And so when you see people act out or act stupid or do these things that other people,

oh my God, I can't believe that. Or we take these sides. Oh, I believe he's more right here. That person's more right there. A lot of this is just animal. I have two, there's two often sides of the coin that I'll fall on. Sometimes I'll look around and realize that mental illness is actually human, that's a part of the human condition. If you really think about the things that we do and then you try to apply logic to it,

you realize that all of us are a bit mentally ill in that respect, just all the stuff that we do. We make lots of decisions that don't make any sense, like the things that we do that's bad for our health or how we, you know, we get all, our ego's getting flamed and we say things that, and if you really separate yourself, like, man, that's everything we do is oftentimes really dumb. But then on the flip side, when I read about primates and stuff like that, and you look at the fact

that humans have created societies with hundreds of millions of people or billions of people, and we generally get along. We really do. We live in a city with millions of people. I could walk around the city, go to the store, and I really don't feel like I'm going to get assaulted. No one's going to kill me or steal anything from me.

Pretty sure my kids are safe at school right now. That's a bit of a miracle if you think about animals, right? So one side I'm like proud of how we've done things in this side, I'm like, man, why are we so stupid? I think the problem is groups. And like anytime we start getting just like, together with too many people. Yeah, but there's a reason why we always gravitate

towards that, that's natural. It's tribal. It's tribalism. Yeah, and you see that in chimpanzees, you see that. That's natural. It's tribal. It's tribalism. Yeah. And you see that in chimpanzees, you see that in, you know, the animal kingdom. And it's interesting if you kind of look back from a bird's eye view of how humans behave and interact and treat each other. It's usually like over a bigger thing that creates a sheetier response. Yeah, but that's an interesting thought, though. Like, I mean, look what we do with family.

I mean, it's our family, right? I was just gonna say you can't ignore the beauty with groups either. That's right. That's right, we naturally gravitate towards that. And I guess I have, like name and an- I think it's a numbers issue.

Like name animals that take care of their skin. And I don't necessarily think it's always that bad that you gravitate towards family or close people that you have things in common with, and you're like, I don't think it always has to be a negative thing like we turn it into all the time. I think there's nothing wrong that there's a group of people over here

that enjoy doing these types of things that I have no enjoyment and I gravitate towards a group of people over here who enjoy these things. You know what it is, bro? It's fire. So when we discovered fire, seriously. No, no, I'm gonna tell you, now I'm gonna give you the analogy right now it is, bro? It's fire. Okay. So, when we discovered fire, seriously, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to give you the analogy right now.

Okay. Fire has the ability to warm us, to provide us with safety, cook our food, transform society, also could burn us, kill us, be used in war, all those things, right? If you look at human behavior in groups, you ever go to a concert and everybody's singing along and you feel like you're a part of this massive group and it's this incredible feeling where you've been to a sporting event or you've done something with your family. A group flow. Group flow. But there's a dark side and if you read about mob mentality, it's powerful in both directions. It's exactly what it is and you can't have one with the other you cannot have something that's so powerful that it causes it creates this

Beauty and compassion and it's simultaneously I think hard to see has so much influence like a lot of times people don't realize What's actually what how they're thinking how they're behaving a lot of times? They're just sort of reacting based off of like whatever group they're a part of. And it's, to me, it's been even more evident over the last few years than ever before. Also natural human instinct too. There's certain people that were born to lead, that want to lead, and then there's lots of people

that want to follow. They don't want to think about it. They don't want to make the decisions. They just want to be told what to do. And then they gravitate towards a group, they feel comfortable in or confident in, And they don't want to make decisions. You ever read the, you ever read the studies on stuff like that? Like, I can't remember what it was, but there's this predictable pattern where like there's, there's a group

of people. And then there'll be that one person that like, let's say that there's music playing and you're with a bunch of front legs like this 50 of you and you're all family and friends. And music playing and it's really good. And then there's always that one person, he's the first person to kind of be brave, stand up and start dancing. And I can't remember what they called that person, but let's just say that's the leader. He's the maverick. But then there has to be the second person for this to cause a trend.

And there's always that second or third person that steps up and does it also, and then everybody else starts to fall. Early adopters. That's what it is. that's exactly what it is so and there's this whole pattern of human behavior with that where yeah but then you look at mob mentality which is very strange people behave in ways and mob that they would never act they would never do it back to the chimp thing the dude I gotta say that uh we definitely have like I'll fight anybody who doesn't think that we have some of that inside us because, dude, so I was watching TV

and I look over and Courtney's on her phone and like, what are you watching? Dr. Pimplepobber just, oh, look at that, all this most disgusting, like, why? In like, you know, pulling ticks off and like, there's something weird about that. If I have a blackhead or something on my back, and I don't let Jessica go to town, she's

actually angry with me. She'll get mad at me. And I'm like, why do you want to do that? That's the subject. Exactly. That's chimp. Tell me. Tell me that's not chimp.

I tell her that too. I say, babe, that is your monkey instinct. So I think the answer is, I think the answer is us, instead of us trying to change this or deny it, is to find ways to evolve and work with it opposed to denying that it's... DENIING that it's... Yeah, acknowledge that it is part of our past, acknowledge that that's probably what we came from, that it's, there's probably a lot of natural instinct for you to act a certain way, and that it takes a lot of discipline

and self-awareness to be able to be able to unpack that and go like, hmm, maybe I shouldn't act exactly. I agree. We have to acknowledge these biological drivers before we can become aware of them and either embrace them or work in a way to where those biological drivers don't become destructive. Like, you know, someone cuts you off, you might have this biological drive to, you know, go beat someone up, right? But you're aware, like, oh, okay,

I know where that come from, I'm not gonna do it. And I'm using an easy one that everybody agrees with. But I agree with you, I think it's important that we identify and admit and say, because a lot of people are like, no, humans are a clean slate. There's no biological drivers, that's bullshit. We're still animals, but we need to acknowledge these biological drives and our instincts

and then work around them. It's like the case that, who are we talking to that was making that for monogamy? That's why. I mean, it's in your natural as a male, it's in your natural human instinct to want to mate with multiple mains, but yet, but yet we've decided that monogamy is the way to go for

civilization, but it makes sense. Yeah, it works better for a society that you don't want to be at war and trying to kill each other in clans because if one or two guys was taking 15 or 20, if we're in a group and there's a hundred people in our entire clan, half half man, half women, and three guys took a majority of all the women because of the most attractive, the strongest, whatever, what ends up happening with all the rest, they're going to try and overthrow or kill. So it makes sense that that's natural. I mean, that's what I took from when Katrina and I read Sex at Dawn. Obviously, there's some people that read that book and then said, oh, this is the way we're supposed to be, and so that making excuse for sleeping with everybody and saying that open relationships

is the better way to go. What I took from that or what her and I both took from that was like, I think there was just a compassion for each other. But I think for her, the way she looked at me as a man, that it's in my nature to want to do those things and it takes effort and work for me to resist those things. You're not just. and choose not to. Yeah, yeah. No, it's that discipline.

I mean, it's no different than abstaining from crappy food all the time or not just being lazy. It's the same thing. You know, historically, what has helped, in this is just the fact, what has helped humans evolve in this direction are spiritual practices. Spiritual practices, this is what they do. And the more that we,

and I don't care what spiritual practice it is, that's typically what they do, that's why they stick around for thousands of years, is they help, they allow us to evolve beyond these instincts to become better and work better together. But as we start to throw spiritual practices away, and we're gonna see more and more people being like,

oh, I can just... Do you think that it's more of the spiritual practice or that it provides a moral fabric for you? That's a big part? That's a hundred percent part of it. I mean, I feel like that's like the main thing that I would think is that otherwise, if you don't have morals, then why not steal?

Why not cheat? Why not sleep with everybody? Why not do the same thing? If everything's subjective, humans are smart, I could sit here and make an argument for a lot of things. I could sit here and say, oh, it's cool. It's survival of the fittest. There's food at the grocery store.

I'm just gonna take it. Why not just take it? Oh, no. People can make it for me. I need it for my family and for them to be able to eat. Yeah, why can't I sleep with that person? We like it, they like it. It doesn't matter if they're this person

or that person or whatever, or I get it, that subjective nature, if everything's subjective, that can cause destruction because we're so smart that we can rationalize almost anything. But if you have objective, like here's the rules, this is objective the way it is. That's always wrong. So let's not do that. This is probably the right thing to do. Then we tend to work better. Well, if you don't do that, you're just going to get swept into whatever culture and society

tells you, you know, are the moral ideas of the moment. Totally. So that's all I'm seeing now. It's like, these aren't even ideas. People are just making things up now, you know, to create as the standard of morality. Yeah. Well, let me tell you what's not smart. Why? Why? 15 foot Christmas tree.

Well, that picture, I think it is gonna be no big deal. Hold on a second. You guys explain this to me. So I see the picture. You have a big ass truck. It does it. The pictures and the videos that I've sent family and truck. It does it, the pictures and the videos that I've sent family and friends,

it does not do a justice to you actually. Well, that's like a tree that's in the forest that you look up at. My ornaments are this big. So the ornaments that go on are not. So you bring the chains on? No, no, no, no, so the owner. So no, no, no, no, this tree's dead.

Well, that requires some planning to come on. Yeah. So how big was it? Well, not only that, it's actually hard to find really a like aesthetic 15 foot trees. Okay. You can find 10 footers, eight footers all day long, finding a 15th like this was shipped from Oregon, right? So I had the only reason why I even went early, right? So I broke all my rules. I've never done this before. Thanks. Give me a call the round. And I'm looking for a pre cut 15 to 20 foot tree.

Like we're going all Griswall style right this year, right? So I'm looking for that. And I went down the first day at Open because they only get like 15 of, they ship them all the way from Oregon. They come down and then like the biggest tree farm here in the Bay Area only gets like 15 to 20 of these trees. So I went down there as soon as they got them so I could kind of have my pick and figure out which one I wanted.

There's like squirrels in there. Actually, when you open it all up, there's like nests and crazy stuff like that. It's like, yeah, no, it was, I mean, the trunk of this motherfucker was every bit that big. How did you move? So I don't know what I said. First of all, it took five Mexicans to load it up in my truck. I mean, that's, so you knew it was no deal. And that's, I said that earlier, someone was just like, you can't say that's real. That's a compliment.

That's not fucking racist, right? That means it would take 10 white guys to get it up on my truck. That's how crazy this thing was. And I got, and when I get home, all I have is Katrina's 70 something year old dad and her at the house So it's just you three so the three of us get it from my truck now So you go you go from you went from five to three Mexican. Yeah, that's exactly right. It's exactly right

So we did we did get it boy was it a it was a hell of a time So I had you like ropes and everything to kind of stabilize it. And I had to get them at the tree farm to mount the stand on it, right? And the stand is, you know, every bit, you know, six feet wide or what, that to support something like that. I had to tie it to my banister at the top of the stairwell. So just because I was scared of death, like this, you know, down a map or something like that. So it's on the stand and then behind the tree, I have my stair wall and I've got like strings attached to it just to make sure that.

That is decorated. What are you doing going up the stairs using ladder? Both. So I have a 20 foot ladder plus stair on the hanging over the stairs and oh man, it was, I tell you what, never again. Never again. Well, so let me ask you, so how are you gonna keep it

from getting really dry because it's a bit early, isn't it? Yeah, it's a little early. I mean, it's kind of the thing that I'm sorry. If you give them water every day, like you're supposed to, they'll do last. You know what you're going to hate when you just have to take it down. Oh, I'm paying somebody 100% to do that. I am not after fucking with it like that.

I will find somebody. Because that was all day. Yeah. You were doing that thing all day. It was all day. It was scary, it was a headache, it was like, it was way more than I thought was gonna be. Like in my head, like all I was really thinking was the height of it.

And I'm like, okay, I've got 15 to 20, I think I have 20 foot ceilings right there in that entryway. So I'm like, you know, somewhere between 15 to 20 feet is what I want. And I have a huge like open front area. So I'm like, I can get it. I know that's plenty of room for a tree.

But this thing is so big that it like, it comes all the way out to my stairwell and you open the door. You're like a drone to drop the angel on top. It's the fake ones would have been way better way. I next year it's fit. I'll get a big tree again, but I'll buy a fake one for that front because lugging that around, getting it up, like scary, difficult, messy, just way more than what I thought.

Like I didn't think that would happen. Now you got a massive tree. Are you gonna go like all out with all kinds or you're gonna get like the big inflated Santa and the sleigh and all that stuff? I'm less, we have a snowman and like a little welcome sign that will go out in the front. I don't do the outside that much. I like the inside done. And that's like selfish. And you like it all uniform, right? So you pick like two colors, three colors? Yeah, what are they? Yeah, so we did black

and white. Black and white. Yeah, we did. We've never done that before, which is I really, I've already done it. Yeah, last year, would you do blue blue and, was like silver and blue or white and blue? Getting last year, I did the sharks colors, then the sharks colors and, right, yeah, but I have a weird thing about, I've told that on this podcast, haven't I? Have you talked about that before? My weird fetish with not having like a,

I like a macy's tree, you know what I'm saying? Like the all, you know what I'm saying? I like a macy's when you're in a Christmas form. You know, like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like macy's is like, you know, you're the macy's catalog. We're talking about you know what I mean, right?, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no that we had like the popcorn strings and then like, you know, the blinking lights on the bottom and the still lights on the top. It's bubbly, like old school. Everything. Like literally, like what it was is, you know,

mom brings the Christmas stuff out that we've had for 20 years and some stuff works, some does, that's the Christmas exploded. Yes. And there's like, you know, ornaments from all of us as we grew up. You can't do dumb, like first grade picture.

Yes, she loves it. And I love that she loves it. I got that. But for me, like I'm particular about the way my house looks and I got to look at this thing for a month and a half or whatever like that. Like I wanted to flow and look good. Oh, that's awesome.

It's a good, I mean it's one of those was it type two fun, right? You're gonna look back on this. Yeah, I mean now that it's up and it's all done, it's really cool and people walk in there like, holy shit. So it's got the cool wow factor to it. And I mean, imagine that big of a tree,

it makes the whole house smell good. So you know, you get a little aphotry and you can smell it in the house. Like imagine a big ass tree. So my buddy one time got a big ass tree, it wasn't like that, but it was a big tree. And he cut it down, brought it home, put it up, and didn't know that there was like a bunch of ants in there.

And then like the next day, you can hear it's termizing. Everywhere in his house. It was like a bunch of ants in there. And then, like the next day, the ants turn my ass in. Everywhere in his house. Yes, see, I bought, so they have the tree farm over, and you know where it's at over by Sam routine, Morgan Hill, you guys are driving on South from one to one, the big, huge tree farm. So they have a farm up in Oregon

where they grow the monsters at. And so this thing is like, that's the thing, if you go cut something like this, it's like crooked. And it's like, you know, this thing is like, that's the thing, if you go cut something like this, it's like crooked. And it's like, you know, this thing is perfect. It's literally, it's even all the way around and like, it's real. GMO tree. Yeah.

I'm pretty sure. Yeah, this, this weekend we did friends giving. So we do this every year where not on Thanksgiving, but it's usually around there. We'll invite some of my cousins over and we're all just gonna hang out. But this year was a little different because we didn't do it last year because of, you know, everything that was going on.

So we just said, we're gonna do it this year. But now, so I have, we had our son, right, he's a year old. My brother had his baby, which now I believe he's three and a half for four months old. My cousin Gabriel had his baby about two months ago. And my cousin Alex, his wife is doing a couple months, so they didn't have the baby yet, but, so we had three babies, and then we had other families come, so everybody got together, we got the babies altogether,

which was awesome, so we put them all on the rug and took pictures, and halfway through the night, I told my cousins and my brothers, so let's take the kids for a walk, so it's like bunch of dudes walking three babies, you should see the looks, we got in the neighborhood, people are looking at us like, three men, three babies. You should see the looks. We got in the neighborhood. People are looking at us like three men, three babies. You guys know what you're doing? Where'd your wives go?

What's going on? It's hilarious. But we took them for a walk. And then my son is, he's such a lover. He is the biggest, he would go up to the baby. A really is? No, a really good. But my oldest is also. But one year old, you start to see these things kind of develop, right? So we have this little he got this little teddy bear and I could already see it with this teddy bear because he squeezes it and he kisses it and makes all these noises

The same noises we make when we hug him and stuff. He's very touchy feeling anyway With the babies he'd go up to the baby and he'd make this little voice, which I know where he got, he got it from Jessica. When Jessica is like playing with him and she wants to hug him, she makes this little cute voice. So he did that and then he would go and gently touch their face and then he'd go like this. He'd put his hands up to his own face and go, mm, like he would have just squeezed the baby

so we videotaped the whole thing. It was so great. So adorable to see them all together. So we had a lot of fun and we're all hanging out. But it's nice because now we see this next generation, you know, it's gonna be growing up and it's just so, it's so cool. Now, have you guys, have you guys done your,

like, getting your turkey, you know, so like that? Like, what's, I hear everything's gone up. Everything's like double the price. One and a half times the price. I know that turkeys are 50% or something like that. I heard a bunch of stuff has gone up. Yeah, I got one ahead of time to bring up. Yeah, because it's gonna be crazy right now,

especially like Courtney's already been trying to like gather stuff because we're gonna be cooking just for ourselves and like her sister, like we're supposed to have her whole family up there, but they're like sick and not being able to make it. But yeah, so the, I guess the grocery store has been crazy like like slammed and, you know, prices have been going up right now.

Well, so check this out, right? So, pork, I believe bacon is 28% more expensive in the last 12 months. All pork products, beef is going up, turkey definitely, but yeah, pork is going up and they say that it's probably not going to down. Now here's the crazy part, right? And this is why I think some companies in this environment are just gonna crush. So companies who are positioned well to weather the inflationary storm that don't necessarily need to raise their prices

or at least can wait the longest before raising the prices, like for example, okay. Pork is up 28%, which is huge over the last 12 months, right? Meanwhile, but your box still has their sign up now and get bacon for life. Get bacon for life. Get bacon in your box for life if you sign up right now.

Now they're positioned well because they're a direct, you know, to consumer product, they deliver to your door, lots of middlemen are eliminated. So I feel like companies like theirs are just gonna crush because people are gonna, they were already saving you money, but now you're saving so much more because everything has gone through the world. I wonder if they turned that thing back on,

like, because they were just doing the turkey just recently, they're always like, you know, like did the salmon not long before that. I wonder if they knew that that's going on with bacon and so they intentionally actually switched back over that. Speaking of food, you inspired me. I know you guys went to a really nice restaurant

not that long ago. So I wanted to go to a nice restaurant. It wasn't nowhere near, it wasn't a Michelin rated one. But there's a new restaurant in the pruneard called Bistaca. Have you heard of this place? I've heard of it, but I haven't been there yet. Oh, bro. The experience was amazing. Really? It was so fun, so good. They had this one dish. It was a bone marrow dish, and they bring it out on a tray, and there's, you know, beef bones like this just stacked on top of each other, and they're seasoned and just incredible. And then they give you another tray with all these things that you can add to the bone broth,

like bacon bits and bread crumbs and just all these different interesting flavors. And then they had this like garlic bread that was fried and thin. And so you take the, and then they give you another tray with gloves and tools because you're gonna wear the gloves because you're gonna get messy. So like the whole restaurant's like this. It's like a bunch of fun, interesting dishes that you get in order and really, really good restaurant. Highly recommend you guys, it's close.

And it's close, and it's close. How's the tab, is it like, help? It's expensive. It is. Yeah, it's not as expensive as like where you went, but it's up there. Okay. It's definitely not a place you're gonna go

every single week. It's like a special occasion. Wow, in the prune yard, huh? Prune yard. Where. It's definitely not a place you're gonna go every single week. It's like a special occasion. Wow, in the proof yard, huh? Proof yard. What, where did they replace? You know where they were? Yeah, the Pacific catch on this end, you've got the,

It's so if you will look at Luna in the middle. It's to the right, and it's one of the, it's like right there on the, on the end. And you know, by the way, Bisteka means steak in Italian. Just wanna let everybody know. So is it technically an Italian steakhouse? It's got a Italian, definitely influence, but it's not like a traditional Italian restaurant. Oh, I don't know. So is it technically Italian steakhouse? It's got a tie-in, definitely influence,

but it's not like a traditional Italian restaurant. I mean, here's the, okay, give you an idea, right? So it's really nice, nice waiters, lots of fun. Everything's different, there's great dishes, dishes that are different, for example, we ordered this pasta dish. That was like pumpkin, and it was like something you would never anticipate, and it was really good.

At the very end, they gave us a probiotic drink. So they all went at the end of your meal. Here's a probiotic drink, help you digest. And then they gave us these plastic little bags with our bill. And they said there's a candy table over there. You can take as much candies. And then one to the candy table, and it's all these old school candies in this thing.

Oh, interesting. Really interesting. Can I go like this, the way I'm dressed or is it more? You do whatever you want. It'll white table cloth or anything. You know what's funny? What, that I noticed in the Bay Area? You go to a nice ass restaurant, there's always like,

you know, people, it's expensive, so they're obviously they've got money, but they're all like these tech dudes and stuff that they don't care, they'll wear baseball caps and you know, journal works. Turn down care. That's why I looked around and see nice, nice, nice business as any sense of fashion.

I was telling Jess got like, I was like, you see the dudes that are wearing like baseball caps and shit, they're all worth hundreds of millions of dollars from, you know, Google or something like that. There's some like tipping point, right? Like once you get money and then at a certain point, you go river right back to like, where it sandals. Speaking of rich tech billionaires,

so I thought that did you see the speech that Bernie Sanders came out was talking about, about the government funding Elon Musk and Amazon and Bezos for their rocket, their. Oh gosh. Did you see his thing? I didn't see it. Did you hear the all-in guys talk about this?

No. Oh, they were roast in the shit out of them for giving Bernie Sanders, giving them a hard time about government helping and funding that. guys talk about this. Oh, they were they were roasting the shit out of them for given given or Bernie Sanders given them a hard time about government helping and funding that. And he's like, do you know how much NASA has spent on? Oh, I know. You can't compare like $360 billion. You can't compare. How much Elon and them spent like six billion. Yeah. Like government funny is taxpayer. That's well, that was what was so that's why I thought it was so ironic is that you've got Bernie Sanders coming out here talking shit all about the government helping fun SpaceX, right?

And where they have conservatively built this thing already past what NASA was doing as far as they're on in this pursuit, right? And yet NASA's spent 360. Yeah, that's exactly what you want. But the narrative is that giving billionaires more money. Like, and you got a bunch of people that are on board with it, that hear Bernie say that and they're like, yeah, fucked a billionaires. But nobody's thinking logically, like wait a second,

it's their brilliance that has been able to get to the where they're at and being able to do it on so little money in comparison To what it looks like when we let go nobody's that money worse than people who pay no consequences for wasting it Yeah, so you're taking other people's money then you're basically you're getting elected to To do something with other people's money and if you don't spend all that money you lose funding

So it's in your best interest to spend the hell out of it. And you have a bureaucracy of people underneath you that you employ and you can't become efficient because I know we're gonna lose jobs. It encourages wasteful spending. It just doesn't, I don't get it all. Like you demonize like somebody that's like a billionaire like that, like it's making everything more cost effective,

efficient, you know, you're glorifying a politician for saying something you like. Yeah. And they don't do shit. Well, yeah, like, what are we even talking about? You know what it is, is that we attach greed to money. First of all, greed is a human, it's a part of human nature.

It's not, it's an ugly part of human nature, but it exists. We think it has to do with money. It's, is it more an ugly part of human nature, but it exists. We think it has to do with money. It's, is it more noble to have political greed, for example, than monetary greed, right? If you're a billionaire in America, you're, unless you're tied in with the government, you could take people's tax money, you probably made your billions, even if you're a greedy son of a bitch.

You made your billions because you did something that other people liked and gave you their money, right? Political greed, that's a whole different story. I mean, you twist and turn and you, you know, create narratives and do your thing. And so greed is greed and it's bad regardless, but it doesn't disappear just because you take away, just because someone's a billionaire and someone's a politician is mean the politician is in greedy because political greed can be just as bad if not worse. So anyway, interesting stuff. Speaking of interesting stuff,

just in that Instagram page that you showed up. Are we good? I'm gonna talk about this. Which one? The cheese one, you're gonna share that? Oh my God, that's also gonna get an inside thing just for us. I thought, no. Interesting to me.

Well, oh my God, did you see like today? I came across a page because the name, right? Cause it said cheese. Cheese, you're so dirty bro. It's completely different. It's like old school kind of like old portals that what's on Instagram.

So it's not going to show you. Oh my god. Like that's like a fucking what's that mean Instagram Instagram it's like 60 style and like it's older too. Hey, think of the irony that the Instagram today is way more provocative than the Playboy was when we were kids.

Like probably. What do you mean probably? Well, maybe not. Playboy. Playboy show. All you know is they look like they're have a lot more fun back then. So that's why it shows like pin ups and like,

but it doesn't just show that. It shows like classic ads and weird stuff. And yeah, pictures that people took of themselves, like a bunch of dads drinking beers, and it's like in the 1970s, and there's smoke and cigarettes holding kids and shits. And then lots of boobs. Like every now and then.

But all, it's interesting. How they did things then. I can't believe you brought that page up. I think that was funny. I just thought it was funny. Yeah, that's the show that I'm looking at. I mean, I'm following now. I can't live you brother, I think that was funny. I just thought it was funny. Yeah, that's the show that's kind of stuff. I'm looking. I mean, I'm following now.

I'm interested, you know. I do, I love old pop culture. I don't care what it is, whether it's that or ads. You ever go, if you ever Google, like ads from the 60s, it'll blow your mind. The way that they sold products and stuff. Like nine to 10 times, it's totally in a perfect environment. So I wish we could do some of that stuff.

Do you want to make your husband happy? It's like this wife that's like oh my god that's how they sold products to women. What the hell is going on? It's pop culture. It'll show you just how much we've come along in certain things. Fast. Really fast when you think about it. Bro, do you know that the Flintstones cartoon for kids? Do you know who the main sponsor was for Flintstones? Back in the day. Probably cigarettes or something. Marble.

Yeah. At the very end of the, did they ever, and you know what, did they ever show cartoon character smoke? All the time. Campy Lapue smoked cigarettes, right? Not only was he smoking cigarettes, bro. He was putting himself all over a female.

Well, yeah, I'm pushing it more. I'm talking about these cigarettes in alcohol, though. Is there any other cartoon? Carton, Magyrie a female. Well, yeah, I'm pushing him off. I'm talking about these cigarettes and alcohol, though. Is there any other, any other, Cretan Magerri would smoke? Oh, he would. He would. He would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he would, he I saw on Netflix, Tiger King Part II was out. Did you guys watch it? I did not watch it.

Yes. Is it a flaming shitshow? Okay, so here's the first one. It's a disappointment. I was just going to say. Oh, really? Yeah, because, and I've watched about three of them now, and honestly, to me, and I don't know if anybody else felt this,

but it just seems like recycled, shot, like, b-roll stuff. Oh, like, they're trying to kind of string together to make a show out of that sense. You know, and then they're just like, yeah, they're trying to give, like, different angles on things that happen within the first season. Oh.

And I'm like, come on, dude. Like, I, yeah, so I was a little disappointed, because I am all about, you know, this crazy, like, white trash, like, experience. It was amazing. The first one really got me, dude. I love it.

So does it not feel like anything is current and they literally are just ripped? Because that makes sense that they would pull some bullshit like that where they're like, you know, we have so much B-roll. This is not- None of its whole story is crazy. Let's just show it. Yeah. It's like, it's like side angles of like lawsuits

that you didn't really get the other side from Carol Baskin and her husband. And and and also just like the back of fourth of like how she got so vindictive and came at like his parents, whatever his name is, the main guy with the mullet. So yeah, it just, it was all these like kind of side angles parents, whatever his name is, the main guy with the mullet. So yeah, it was all these kind of side-angle stuff of how all these interactions happen and then what they're paying for legally.

I just love how on the first one, nobody had a full set of teeth, nobody. Yeah, and they got into his boyfriend's, that turned into his husband's, and then how they came out later, they're like, I'm not even gay. That's right. I lost my sh- I'm not gay, but meth is my name.

I ain't gay, man. Yeah, what always makes me curious is, okay. What do you do? Any idea, Doug, maybe you can look for this is, what do they get paid? Like, do they make a, who makes all this money for the second follow up, right? I think the Tiger King makes the money off of it. I don't know, because the producer, so I don't know if you remember.

Well, so how's he making that money? It all got burned, right? A lot of the footage and because it was locked up under this guy, this producer's control. And then there's a fire about it, so I'm wondering if all of this b-roll stuff was the only thing legally that they could probably patch together.

Yeah, like who's making all the money for this? Is it Carol? Is it the Tyre King who's in jail? Is the people who produced it and made the show? Like is it Netflix? That's gonna get the biggest bang for their book out of this. Who makes out?

That bitch can't be the best. Running a second bitch. Follow up like that. I don't know. You know what's funny? Do you guys think the Tiger King would have exploded? Had it not happened? I don't know.

I think it was beautiful timing. Yeah, I think it would have taken longer. I think it would have been a cult classic maybe, you know, like it had like a smaller following, but it definitely wasn't. I wouldn't have watched it. I was just at home, nothing to do. And I'm like, pff.

You know, and you know what makes you feel better about yourself. That's exactly. You guys know my whole thing, right? but it definitely wasn't. I wouldn't have watched it. I was just at home, nothing to do. And I'm like, pfft. You know what makes you feel better about yourself? That's exactly, okay. You guys know my whole thing, right? When I get sick, what do I watch, right? And then it has to do with just, when you watch trash your shit on TV, when you don't go, at least not that guy.

Yeah, I guess it ain't that bad. I got this little flu. I'll be over this, you know? So you gotta think there's something to that. Can't be alone, right? I can't be alone on this. And you got all, you got millions of people stuck in their home from COVID and so like that.

You gotta think that what a, that's like the home run. That's like the home run. I feel like the timing was that. No, I don't think they planned it, right? I think it just, I think he got lucky that it came out that, but I agree with you too, though, just in that. Regardless, it's a crazy enough story

that it eventually would have gone viral and enough people would have shared it. But I definitely think that COVID accelerated that. Yeah, you don't wanna feel down on yourself and then watch this amazing story of some super successful, motivated. Yeah. Yeah, I was like, oh man, I feel worse.

Well, dude, I remember like in 2012, there was a whole period of, I don't know, it was like four to five months where it finally got to the point where everybody's watched everything. That was out. And there was nothing new and it was like, we were all just dry in any kind of content.

And then that came out. Where'd you go? I tell you, no, the best was when Adam first became a dad, there was like that three or four month period where he literally watched every single. Oh, I know, he was reporting to us like every documentary He like burn holes in his feelings Because he was watching so much that you were just

Oh, and you talk about something you watched I'm like dude, it's me watching I'm your only straight glasses, man My son right now, like he just he thinks it's the cutest thing to like put him on and stuff Why I probably because you guys think it's cute and you tell him it's well Yeah, and he well it was originally but now's cute and you tell them it's cute. Well, it was originally, but now he's a little bit bigger and stronger, so he like grabs him and pulls him.

And I'm like, I have a pair that literally, they look like this now, or where he's been. Speaking of Felix Gray, I think they're still running, Doug, are they still running their Black Friday or whatever sale it's going on? Yeah, through December 2nd, 15% off. Everything. They never do this. They don't do sales. They don't, never do they don't do say they don't know they don't do any

That's up. You're too good for that your boys a big kid man. He's so tall. He's yeah He's licking out a little bit. I mean this is the first time you guys have been with them in a while right when he came down here Every time I see him he looks like you started to say a bunch of new words. Yeah, so now he's like He just randomly will say like a word now. Like it's, and you will, we're starting to get him to say it again too. So we're definitely like moving into it. And I'm like kind of torn, right? I was waiting for this moment,

like I can't wait to have a conversation with him, but then there's that part where you're probably gonna miss him not being able to communicate and talk and then this phase that we're in right now. So, bro, you just wait, you literally, you just wait because, so Facebook does this thing where it'll say like, five years ago, 10 years ago today, or whatever. It destroys me.

My daughter just turned 12 and a post comes up and it's like, you know, eight years ago today and it's this, my daughter was this little tiny kid and I wrote a story about something she said to me, like in that story I wrote that I told her, I said, oh my God, honey, she was like four or five. Like you're gonna be, before you know it, you're gonna be a teenager.

Like you're growing so fast and she goes, I'll always be your daughter, buh-bye. Oh. And then now she, here she is. I feel like that's one of the big things. You know, we talk so much shit about Facebook and how shitty Facebook is, but that's where, that's their home run to me.

Like that's the part that I think. Think of the history that they'll own. Right? That's all that stuff. That's why I think I think the future of like, funeral homes is gonna look different. I don't know why I'm waiting for someone to really disrupt that because how cool,

we're not far. I mean, it's got another maybe 20, 40 years, maybe top-set. It'll just show up Facebook posts. You'll get the years. Yeah, just imagine if you could go virtual, what do you call those, like hologram, where you're talking to.

Just imagine how cool that would be to be able to go. I mean, we've got the tech now. If you've got that much content, video content, both audio, visual, written content for people, the type of, you know, like you could totally put a hologram that communicates and interacts with you. And imagine if that was like- I know what though.

You know what though? So it does that. It'll pop up old posts. And like I'd say 50% of the time I cringe, because it's 12 years ago, and I say something that I think is profound to my 100 family members. And I read it and I'm like,

oh, what was I saying? Why? Why would I even write that? Oh yeah, but I don't think of it. I read it and I'm like, oh, what was I? Why? Why would I even write that? Oh yeah, but I don't think of it. I think of it more like the, like all the videos that you're gonna have and the written content that you're gonna have. When you pass, say, you know, 40 years plus from now

or whatever, right? So you pass 80s. Yeah, so, or plus, I said. So you lived in 90, 100 plus, and your kids will be able, I think, to be able to go to the funeral home and like hit a digital button and be able to see a hologram version of you and interact with it. And they'll be able to use all of that, all the photos, the memories, the things that you say, you don't say. We've been on thousands and thousands of hours of podcasts. So they can very easily take your voice and your ideas and piece together. Yeah, just new onces.

Yeah, they could piece together and create some kind of weird like AI version of us easily. Oh, and I wonder how much, how much, this is random question. I want to dug and figure this one out. What, how much depression is related to a death? How many people suffer from depression because they lost a spouse or they lost a mother or a father? Oh, yeah, so imagine how how how much that's going to help in in regards to that help bring closure maybe yeah Imagine you bring up a hologram of Adam at your funeral. Hey everybody. Thanks for coming to my funeral real quick There's a 20% discount code

There's Adam. There he is, that's good old Adam. Here you go. You got me. Instead of a bitch, you got me. There's Felix Freiglass, I don't know, everybody's chair, I prefer for this. Put those on because we're gonna play this video, a lot of blue light when I think black it.

I just think that, I think we're not far from that and we're starting to see that with things like You know Facebook and their memories and I think that's well you remember what was that black mirror episode was a black mirror Maybe something else world had a little bit of that towards you know the latest season Yeah, we had in your ear. It was like like therapy. Yeah And it was somebody that you knew from the past or whatever Well, that's what really made me think that way was watching that. I remember that episode going like, wow, we're really not that far off from that being a reality, especially for

people like us who have this much content. Like what? What topic have we not talked about? And you not heard my response. You create a personality. Yes. You know what movie showed this perfectly in the 80s Superman. when he goes and he builds his little He goes remember he goes to the North Pole or whatever and he throws that crystal and it creates his little base or whatever Yeah, and then he puts those crystals in and it's his dad and he's asking his dad's question, but his dad's dad So it's like it's a compilation of his dad's ideas and whatever can give him advice of solitude Yeah, imagine that right so I can be like, I wonder what Justin would say right now. Yeah.

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Live on Labs. Alright, here comes the rest of the show. First question is from Robert Bowers 1. What are your thoughts on partial reps versus full range of motion for hypertrophy? Okay, so head to head if you were to compare, and they've done this in lots of studies, right, partial repetitions to full reps, the full reps build more muscle and build greater strength along a greater continuum. In other words, strength is relatively specific, right?

So if I squat within six inches, I'll get a little carryover of strength at the eight inch mark and nine inch mark and ten inch mark, but it starts to fade the further away I get from that range that I train within. So full range of motion gives you broader strength and also builds more muscle studies. Again, they show this, but is there value to partial reps? Yes, there is. You can use partial reps in ways to increase intensity and volume, but really should be saved for advanced lifters. I don't think this is really anything that the average person should utilize in their training. They should always focus on full ranges of motion.

And if they can't do full ranges of motion, they should work on mobility. So they can't work. I think it's a novel stimulus. It's something that you can add in after you've really built quite a quality base in your programming. But in terms of full range of motion reps, you just

get so much carry over functional strength as well as usable strength versus just the aesthetic side. But you can accomplish both things at once. So I just would prefer with clients of mine to go through the full range of motion as you are going to experience the benefit of getting stronger and further in depth in terms of the angle that you're going. Is there ever a time when partial reps are superior? I would say in specific ways like, okay, I go to failure

and I'm trying to add even more intensity. Well, I can't do another rep, or at least into the full rep, now I'll add a couple partial reps. That's why I said, I would save this for really advanced lifters who know how to utilize this properly. But for the most part, I mean, I'll tell you what, I never used partial reps in my training with clients.

Almost never. It wasn't something that I was in the repertoire at all. Now, I do want to be clear, by the way, when we say full range of motion, that's very individual. Full range of motion is the range of motion that you have control over. So what that means is that if a parallel squat is your full range of motion, if you go outside of

that, things break down, I'm not encouraging you to go deeper than than parallel because you'll probably hurt yourself. But what I will encourage you to do is to work on the stability stability mobility that allow you to go deeper and get a full range of motion because you're going to get so many more benefits. But yeah, people like partial ranges of motion, mainly because it's easier, and you can go heavier. I can lift more weight. I'm glad you get that example, because that is the only time I can think that I've used partial reps, but I wouldn't have considered them partial reps. I would consider them full range of motion for that client. For example, you've heard me talk about on the podcast, what do I do with a 75-year-old lady

that can't squat down to 90 degrees, and I've talked about where I'll take a bench, and then I'll even put like a foam pad on it, and then she's only squatting down this tiny bit, and then getting back up. That would be considered a partial squat. But that's the, she has only got that range of motion that she can control with strength

and I'm working towards getting lower. So if you're counting that as partial reps, even though I don't think that's where this question is coming from, that is the only place where I've ever used it with a client. There's one more place. Strength athletes will use partial reps. No, I'm saying where I have used it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have never used it.

There's another way to, to utilize them with value, Again, it's advanced, but strength athletes, right? So lockout, right? If they mess up on lockout in a bench, then they'll train in that range of motion or if it may be a bar-pointing weak points in like a lot of the compound lifts. Yeah, so you can like hyper focus on, whether it's the pull from the bottom

or whether it's the lockout portion of it. Totally. Kind of just focus on that. But also too, with like, you know, sports athletes, I know like you see this go viral all the time with basketball players like only squatting halfway down, for instance, based on, you know, their lever and based on like where they're really going to generate force the most. The coach is just kind of limiting it to that and focusing on like where they're really gonna generate force, the most, the coach is just kind of limiting it to that

and focusing on generating force within, you know, what's more usable for them on the court and plus like seven foot, so it's like, you know, it's, yes, it's a different, it's a totally different leverage. I mean, you might catch me doing this like on, let's say like one of our focus days in maps aesthetic and I'm doing, know buys and tries and I just did some you know full range of motion you know cable curls and then I'm you know finishing

it off with you know four or five short little put pumping reps and my desired outcome is when I'm training hypertrophy that day I'm looking for the pump and so all I'm trying to do is day, I'm looking for the pump. And so all I'm trying to do is send as much blood and fluid as I possibly can in there. I'm not worried about the plus. I'm also coupling it with full range of motion bicep curls. So you might see me finish off like that. But it is, it's such a splitting hair difference on the value of it into your routine that you

would never catch me training a client With it because I don't think it gives you that much value, but at the same time I can admit that sure I've you've caught me probably doing that Here and there is the most guilty of using this technique here out of us Well, I mean not no, I just mean in general like what we're the most bodybuilders. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely bodybuilders. What's their philosophy with the pump? Yeah. Yeah. Because they're so, they are so focused on the pump. But they're strengthened weakness, right? So it's like, it's their strength.

Bodybuilders are some of the best at getting a pumping up a specific muscle that they want to target. Um, problem is they stay in that mindset. And that's why I was saying, like, you might catch me, do it, if I was like, hey, I'm just gonna pump the delts today. That's all, I'm just gonna do all these moves, you get this much fluid pumped into them as well.

So that's not even close to the majority of the way you train. Right, I would never neglect a five by a five set of overhead presses though. By the way, this is where a lot of, because a lot of, this is an unknown fact. Full range of motion, proper resistance training is one of the best ways to improve functional flexibility. Better than almost any other form of exercise

because when you train a full range of motion you build strength in that full range of motion. So now you have functional flexibility and not just flexibility, but flexibility you own. Okay, so where does the myth come from then that body building or lifting weights makes you tight? Well, there's some truth to it. If you train in partial reps all the time,

you build a lot of strength in a short range of motion. Outside of that range of motion, you have little control. So you're really strong here, outside of that, you become weak. So your body actually learns to move in a very limited way. So you see guys and girls with lots of muscle who train with partial ranges of motion, you see them try to do other movements like throw a frisbee or turn and they seem very limited because they've built a majority of their strength in these kind of partial short ranges of motion. So that's the thing you want to pay attention to.

But it may look, if your goal is to develop a balanced, strong body and you want to have nice aesthetics, the majority of your training should be focused on full range of motion. By the way, when I first learned this, it was because my certifications told me to train in partial ranges of motion. No joke, like my first certification told me, don't allow your clients to come down below 90 degrees on a bench press. Or don't let your clients come down below 90 degrees

on a shoulder press. That's what I learned in my certifications. And the justification was, oh, muscle activation is the same and it's more too dangerous to go lower. And I remember when I broke out of that, I got better results, my clients got better results, and then I realized these certifications really are just trying to mitigate risk

as much as possible. So they're gonna give you the subpar way of training thinking that trainers are too dumb to apply it properly. So here, let's just do this, it's totally safe, but it was terrible. I remember learning that and going, afterwards being like, why'd they teach me that? It sent me back like a couple of times.

Yeah, two is interesting Because going 90 degrees or like just above. It's like a lot of times you don't even get that real glue activation You get all on a spot now get tips that's like and you don't realize that so you actually work on that So yeah, that that was always something I would battle was the certifications just limiting Ranges emotion because it's a safety thing for them. Next question is from I am sofa king awesome. Good job everybody. What are the pros and cons of having to work out partner?

Mostly cons. You know what though? I can see, so okay, so think about all the years you guys have been working out. What percentage of it would you say is what the workout partner and what percentage of it would you say is on the very first quarter? Yeah, that's what I would say. That's exactly what I'd say. From then on out, you know, first 25 per day of my lifting.

You know what's funny is I bet you most people who've been training consistently for more than, let's say, seven or eight years, probably follow something similar. Like in the beginning, they probably worked out with a workout partner and then eventually, you know, went off on the... I want the same way. I want to believe that, but I found in the bodybuilding community, it's not bodybuilding community, everybody loves to work

out together, man. They have a workout partner and they're about it, man. They meet up each way. Yeah, at least in the... Now is it mostly for pre contest? There was an off season all the time. All the time. Yeah.

All the time. Yeah. They all like to listen to a miserable, miserable, or pushing each other. It's all about intensity driving. So it's real, and it's actually as much an off season as it is in season. It's off season there. It's all about packing the calories on, packing on the muscle, and you use each other to pump

each other up and get after. I'll tell you the pros and cons for me personally. So pros, first off depends on the workout partner, but if I work out with the right workout partner, it'll help me stay on track and stay away from my ego because sometimes my ego makes me do exercises that I probably shouldn't at that moment. I should probably do that.

Did you just say that the workout partner helps you not? If I get the right workout partner. So if I get the wrong workout partner, it'll do the opposite. Like if I work out with somebody like myself, then my risk of injuries just goes to the roof because now it's about, Yeah, that's what I've always experienced. I'm gonna challenge your way of thinking there

because I think we're all, I would consider all of us, A plus workout partners, like I know how to spot. No, no, no, no. None of us are good workout partners for each other. Not for each other, not for each other. Well, who do you get to get? Well, some Dossal dude, it doesn't know the fuck he's doing.

Like what's your idea of what an A plus fucking to workout partners? My wife was a great one. When her and I worked out together, and mainly because there's no competition there, she's not gonna lift as much to me anyway. We can check each other and I have smarter workouts. If I work out with one of you knuckleheads,

I guarantee within a few weeks it's gonna turn into, without us realizing it, the intensity is gonna creep up, the weight's gonna creep up, and it'll be fun, but then somebody's gonna get hurt. So the pros are if you have a good partner, they can check you, watch your form, help you push yourself when you need to, it might be more motivating for some people. The cons are, you have to rely partner, they can check you, watch your form, help you push yourself when you need to, might be more motivating for some people. The cons are, you have to rely on the other person's consistency and attitude and energy.

I take my workout so seriously that if a workout partner shows up and their mood is down by two degrees, I don't want to talk to you ever again. I don't want to work out with you ever again. You show up five minutes late, I'm on my own, go do your own thing, type of deal. So that's the cons, is I have to rely on someone else. The pros are, if you get a good partner, they can make you work out better. Yeah, I'm gonna stick with my original statement that it's mostly cons.

The only pro that I think is there's some value there when you're first starting, when you're first starting out, and purely I see it as not anything that you're talking about, but just the commitment to get to the gym. I've made a commitment to somebody else and I meet them on Monday Wednesday Friday at 6 a.m. therefore I'm more likely. For a lot of people it's like that. Yeah I'm more likely to show up to the gym and there's a lot of value in the the commitment aspect but as far as the training itself I personally think it's almost impossible to work out with another person just because we are all so unique but as far as the training itself, I personally think it's almost impossible

to work out with another person, just because we are all so unique. We're all, everybody's bodies need something so individualized. Even if your goal is the same, both of us are meet head guys, we both wanna build a bunch of muscle, but it's like my body type is so different than any other one of you guys' body types.

And my weaknesses are totally different than your weaknesses. And my imbalances and my freaking issues that I got going on totally different of you guys's body types. And my weaknesses are totally different than your weaknesses. And my imbalances and my freaking issues that I got going on totally different than you guys. And so my programming should be really designed around what are, what week areas do I need to address to prime myself correctly before I go into my workout? How was my sleep the night before, my food,

what I did previously in the workout, that should dictate my intensity and volume that I go into that workout. All those variables matter so much more than what is my workout partner? So it's good. It's also because you take your workout so seriously that you don't wanna compromise

for the other person to do the back and forth. Because you know what you need to do. Well, that's what I do if I train with like my girl or somebody, like if I train with somebody else, I do end up compromising for them because I want to give them a good experience and a good workout. So what I end up doing is not what I probably should do

for myself. That's why I say it's mostly cons because most of it is centered around the hype, the motivation, the get there to get to the gym, to push through, and those are all the wrong reasons. That's what I think. We're terrible people to ask this question. I'm gonna be honest, because I feel like we just,

we know too much. We need to get to a certain point where, you know yourself like the best, you know, how everything works. Any partner you bring in, you're gonna be compromised your time, like you're gonna have to explain things, I agree. I like pain the ass. Like if you're in the same sort of mentality as somebody else that's

kind of just trying to figure it out, I think it's beneficial in that environment, just for accountability. I think maybe if that's like your biggest thing, right? For sure. Like I can't get to the gym, I just need somebody that's going to be there and hold me accountable, it's consistent. If you're somebody in that state of mind where you're reliant on that, like I find value in that, but for me personally, the only way I would have a workout partner at this point would be if I'm just learning a very new skill

and for a brief moment of time. And they know it. They know it and I'm like, I'm just picking it apart. Totally, that's such an anomaly though right there that'm like, I'm just picking it apart. Totally. That's such an anomaly though right there. That's like, I mean, that's a one-off such a way to, and I guarantee there's people right now, okay? There's somebody right now that is shaking their head

and they're like, and you know what they're saying? I get my best workouts when I work out with my workout partner. And that you really pushes me. And you know, that's the problem with it is that you still measure the success of your workout by how fucking hard you lift. That is not a good gauge of what makes a good workout.

You know, we know some things. A good training session should be measured for what you need at that specific moment in time. And the idea that we, and by the way, I know this because I was the same way. I was the same young kid who thought like, man, my workouts are never as good as they are unless they have my workout partner, because why? Because he pushed me that next level.

When I wanted to stop at rep five, if someone tried to push me through a workout right now, I'd fucking slap him. I'm sorry. Don't tell me where I need, if I need to push more or not right now, I know what I need to do. So that's the last thing that I would want.

But the people that are shaking their head at me that disagree with what we're saying right now, are people that are still stuck in that mindset that it's all about intensity? I think some, look, I think for some people, there's a lot of value because they, they're workout partners, like it's like a partner and they work out together and they grow together

and they do that stuff. I get that, but the key is finding the right workout partner. For me, I hated it most of the time because I was always the consistent one, the motivated one. So it's like I was always the damn teacher, right? Exactly. What you said was absolutely 100% Justin.

If I worked out with anyone now, and I picked a workout partner, it's because I want to learn something. Like if I'm going to go through a whole mobility stand or I'm going to do a bunch of non-traditional workouts, I'll ask Justin, hey Justin, can I do a sled and kettlebell workout with you? Cause he's good at it, and I'm gonna learn from him.

But otherwise, I mean, not really. But in the past, in the past, I mean, I've had a few good workout partners, I think. It's always one-sided, it's never equal. Usually. Right? It always, if you're in that situation, the guy who's teaching you, you are making it. I'm right. He's getting the shit in the stick. Yeah. If you're listening to this right now and you're, you have a trainer friend

who you work out with, well, yeah, guess what? You get, you aren't. That's a good idea for you to keep it. I'm a nice Chris. Yeah. Yeah. Keep that workout partner because you're work as a probably better because you have a professional that's working out with you. But we guess what? His is probably suffering. Somebody is, someone's getting the shit in the stick. Here's the other thing. Now, as I've done this for so long, now my workouts are so meditative and for lack of a better term spiritual experience for me,

I go in there, I shut off, I do my thing. I don't wanna talk to somebody else or be worried about, oh, it's your turn or take the weight off or change this. I'm doing my own thing, I'm in my own space, not talking to anybody unless I choose to. If I have a workout partner there, it's like, oh, okay, I gotta go, you know, I gotta do my thing,

gotta talk to the person. So we'd have to be really somebody special to work out with. We like working out around you guys, just not like with. Dude, I tell you, listen, I say, okay, I say we're all terrible. Workout partners for each other because of whatever.

We've all worked out at the same time, many times. We never, I think we've only worked out together like at three times, like seven years. Less than a handful for sure. But we're usually working out at the same time. Yeah, and I think that's great. And that's where I'm like, there is a way to, the thing that I thought was the only real pro

is the whole meeting there. So, hey, I'm all for having a person to help commit you. You can get a meal or something. You can meet each other. Like, hey, I'll meet you at the gym, hold each other accountable, and then you guys do your thing, and then you meet better. And maybe some days you both happen to be like, oh, it's a light, easy day, I'm not gonna train really hard.

Oh, meet to the- Or exercise, hey, let me jump in. Oh, I'm hitting those all the time. Yeah, that's cool. And that's actually how Katrina and I work out that way. So Katrina and I, if we train as a gym together, we do not train together. It's like, she has things that she knows that she needs to

accomplish. She's normally running one of the maps programs. I have my handful of things that I want to accomplish. Now, sometimes they intersect. Sometimes, oh, you're squatting on today, oh, I'm squatting too, we'll go share the rack together and we'll work out. That's our working out together. But it's not me pushing the enshrining her intensity or

her motivating me to do whatever or telling me, let's go here. It's like, I just don't see a lot of value in it unless you're pretty, pretty new. Next question is from McConnell 816. What are your thoughts on massage guns, cold tubs, and sonas for recovery? So all those three things, I'm going to put in the same category as supplements. So what I mean by that is, let's change the question. What are your thoughts on supplements for recovery? Supplements are maybe 2% of diet and sleep and how you train in terms of recovery.

Same thing with these things. Can they help? Yes. But do they do they compare to the right training program, getting more sleep, getting enough recovery between workouts? No. So in other words, you can't fix a bad workout or crappy sleep or bad stress with these particular products.

I think that these are great in their own right. In other words, if you have everything's going good, your training is good, you're recovering right, you got the right volume, you're getting good sleep, and then you're throwing cold tubs and sauna. You'll get some additional health benefits from them, but I see too many people try to make up for overtraining or poor sleep or whatever

with these devices and tools and techniques and think, oh, this is going to fix everything. It's not going to fix anything. No, I mean, I like the idea of kind of like, let's go down this path of comparing it to supplements because I can get down with that because when you talk about percentage wise as far as the pie chart of what dictates a successful training program as far as recovery and all that stuff like that, it would fall in a similar category as supplements. Now, my only thing that I challenged that is that supplements, what I don't like about

supplements, they're cheaper, you know, like a bottle of creatine is much cheaper than a massage gun or a cold tub. But the nice thing about those things is once you own them, you have them. You have them, you could use them as many times. Like supplements, I feel like it's like this. I've probably spent more money on supplements combined total over my lifetime than eat. I could own, I could have my own sauna,

my own, all those things in my house and have it forever to use that other people can use and get lots of value in. So I prefer, I think to me, those are more valuable than supplements are, especially since I think these are just a more natural process of trying to get your body to speed up its recovery. But it's also a tool.

And when used inappropriately and not correctly, you don't get a lot of value. You know, the value is with these? The value of these things is to add them to a good routine, a good diet, and a good sleep schedule and a good stress management. I've done this before where I'm like, oh, I'm a little over trained,

I'm gonna add these things in thinking it's gonna fix everything it doesn't. But when I add them to a good system, it doesn't enhance things a little bit. Sauna does have health benefits. There's lots of studies that show that, but it's enhance things a little bit. Like, sauna does have health benefits. There's lots of studies that show that, but it's not this huge recovery tool. It doesn't, like for example, getting more sleep

is gonna be way more impactful. Yeah, and it's interesting because I don't really look at these tools necessarily when I'm like physically like beat up as much as I'm mentally stressed. And that's a good point. I tend to gravitate and it just feels good with the Theragun and those massage guns. It's just something that helps you to relax your state of mind.

I guess part of that is sort of tricking, that signal. So you're in this constant loop of anxiety and all these things that you're running through with your brain. I feel the same way with the sauna just helps you to kind of decompress. The cold one is interesting because the cold plunge, I thought,

was just gonna be like an extreme kind of like, oh, I gotta like brace my way through this and grit and bear it, which found out that's a terrible way to approach it. And that was something that is actually part of the protocol is you gotta learn to not do that. And you don't feel as much pain and anguish, which is a whole value in itself in terms of battling all this anxiety and everything else.

Because that's usually my go-to is to brace, bear it down, and then you end up pushing it down, you keep it, and it just stays with you, and it just gets worse, whereas it's a bit of a release, and realizing that you're fighting it actually makes things worse. And so to acknowledge it and breathe slowly and getting the calm, parasympathetic state is all part of the training. Yeah, there's benefits to these things. But I love them.

I mean, I hate that we don't have a cold plunger. Like I use our sauna all the time, and I would use a cold plunger if we had a really nice setup for us to be able to do that. I think it would be amazing to do it before we podcast. So forget that, I this person's asking about recovery, I'm like on the page with Justin, is they're the mental benefits of this.

And the like performance enhancing that would be to go into the podcast. It's like a shot of caffeine. Hell, like better than that even, right? I mean, the feeling that you get when you come out of a cold plunge, especially if you have the contrast, to have a hot cold like that,

oh, the feeling is an instant, not to mention it has some recovery, but the problem with these things is, the science they use to try and sell them is okay. Like, okay, yeah, it can help speed up recovery. I think they inflate how amazing it is It's like you said it's a very small percentage But I do think it has tremendous benefit and just how you feel like everybody who's listening right now

If you've never done this do this for one week report back to me on how It's a cool shower exactly in your shower with a 30 second to one minute minimum Okay, so we'll minute to two minutes if you can, of ice cold water, shut the hot water, and see how your day is. Just tell me how the beginning of your day goes for that week. And I bet you 90% people report back that they were more productive, they had better energy, they were more alert.

Like, there's a lot of good benefits other than just the recovery piece that they sell. Yep, I'll say this about recovery. If you feel like you need something to help you recover, first of all, look at your workouts, look at your diet, you might be doing too much. Sleep, sleep is so underrated. Get better sleep or just take a nap or a couple of maps.

That'll do more for your recovery than any other tool you could do or add to your body. It's like someone's like, oh, I'm gonna go do 45 minutes, you know, sauna, you know, sessions or whatever, take a nap. Take a nap, if it's for recovery, take a nap and you'll get better benefits. Next question is from Brawl Art.

Is there any value in taking glutamine? Glutamine, you know, glutamine was a huge body building supplement in the 90s, especially maybe at least 2000. So the philosophy was this, well, first off, they had studies showing that burn victims who were giving, who were given glutamine would heal faster than if they weren't given the glutamine. And so the bodybuilding community, of course, the supplement industry took that and said, oh, it's helps with recovery. Oh, plus, here's another selling tool. Glutamine is the most abundant amino acid found in skeletal muscle. So it must mean we can take glutamine and get

all kinds of incredible results. It doesn't work that way. Glutamine does help a little bit when you're under tremendous amounts of stress, when you're teetering on overtraining, but it's pretty small, it's not really significant. If your protein intake is high, it's probably not going to make a difference. Here's where glutamine can be beneficial, immune and gut health function, and in many cases, the gut actually uses a majority of glutamine in repair. So what you find now is glutamine is more of a gut health immune supplement than it is for bodybuilding. Yeah, but is that all canceled if you're taking either

a BCAA already or you're taking a protein shake or you're getting adequate protein? Not BCAA because those are three other amino acids, but if you took a... I'll try glutamine is not in the beast. No, it's not even essential. That's right. Non-essential amino acid, but if you took,

if you had, for example, in gut health and immune studies, they find that way protein is beneficial. Way protein is naturally high in glutamine and the branch in amino acids. So would it give you the same results? I would probably say yes. Here's where amino acids get kind of interesting, especially like the branch of amino acids and glutamine. If your protein and take is low, then you may benefit. So who would I have supplement with amino acids?

Vegan. Always. As a trainer, when I had vegan clients, it was pretty rare that they could get their protein up pretty high unless they supplemented with protein. I would have them take branching amino acids or in glutamine before and after the workouts and they would notice glutamine and creatine then. Yeah, creatine glutamine, lucine, isolucine and valine, right? The branching amino acids and they would get, they would notice benefits or maybe just the essential amino acids, right? Which include the branching ones. But if your protein intake's high, not really, like if you're listening to this and you're working out and you're doing everything right, and then you add glutamine

to your supplements, you're probably not going to notice anything. By the way, since we just had the other question right before this, if I had to compare which ones I prefer, I would be, I would lean more towards the sauna and the cold plunge than I would, uh, glutamine. Oh, right. Yeah. personally. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would agree with that. You know what you mean, no acids, I like to utilize. My protein takes high, so I really don't supplement with too many amino acids, but I do like thinning on an empty stomach with caffeine.

That's a totally different thing now. You got me to fall and low with that. I really like that. Yeah, but other than that, amino acids, if your protein is high, not tons of value, if it's low, then you can find some interesting things with individual amino acids happening.

By the way, you can take too many, by the way. Too many branching amino acids can cause reductions in serotonin. Because of the way they compete. It's a pest, right? I've heard. Yeah, because they compete with the production of serotonin, with trip to fan, I think, which is part of that creation.

And so they'll find, like, I used to do this. I would drink branching in the West's all day, because I thought, oh, I'd the more the merrier. That's kind of like people are still doing that. I know. Literally, I'd have a jug of water, and I'd pour my beer, and that was it. I'd drink it all day long, and that was kind of flat.

I noticed I needed more caffeine. Then I learned about that, and I'd like, oh, okay, I think I'm taking too many. Look, if you like our information, head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out all of our guides. We have guides that can help you with almost any fitness goal. You can also find all of us on Instagram. So Justin is at Mind Pump Justin.

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