Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1759: Training Tips to Improve Golf Swing, the Best Way to Work Out After a Substantial Weight Loss, Resistance Training to Complement Brazilian Jiu Jitsu & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: February 26, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: One of the best exercises for your lower body is the sled! (3:22) What do men do when they’re ...alone? (11:05) Another reason why Justin believes his house is haunted. (23:56) The downside of taking Zbiotics. (31:49) Aurelius is obsessed with boobs. (40:02) Interest rates are out of control. (42:21) Why Mind Pump is skeptical about buying real estate in the Metaverse. (43:22) How your microbiome determines if you will get cavities or not. (49:51) #ListenerLive question #1 - What is the best way to train my body after losing a substantial amount of weight? (55:49) #ListenerLive question #2 - How can I add strength training to complement Brazilin Jiu-Jitsu? (1:06:09) #ListenerLive question #3 - What are some ways to correct scapular winging? (1:20:36) #ListenerLive question #4 - What are some strength tips to improve my golf swing? (1:32:08) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: live@mindpumpmedia.com February Promotion: MAPS Performance and MAPS Aesthetic 50% off!! **Promo code “FEB50” at checkout** How To Do The Sled Push The RIGHT Way! (AVOID MISTAKES!) – Mind Pump TV Sled Drag Strength Training for Massive Quads | Muscle & Fitness – Mind Pump TV How To Improve YOUR Work Capacity (6 MOVEMENTS) | MIND PUMP TV Watch jeen-yuhs: A Kanye Trilogy | Netflix Official Site Mind Pump #1595: Your Ideas Suck… How To Be An Entrepreneur With Netflix Co-Founder Marc Randolph Visit Magic Spoon for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Watch Ali Wong: Don Wong | Netflix Official Site Watch Scare Tactics | Netflix Visit ZBiotics for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! PUMA x RICK AND MORTY | PUMA Mind Pump #985: Mark Mastrov- Fitness Industry Empire Builder, NBA Owner & Original Mind Pump Mentor DrDisRespect - YouTube Metaverse Mortgage Helped Someone Buy Virtual Property in Decentraland 4 Most Commonly used Metaverses Today! The #1 Reason Some People Never Get A Cavity Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code “MINDPUMP” at checkout** MAPS Fitness Anabolic MAPS Fitness Performance MAPS Strong MP Hormones Mind Pump Hormones Facebook Private Forum Scapular Push Ups - Redefining Strength How to Perform a PROPER Dumbbell Pullover (Target Chest of Lats) | MIND PUMP Prime Your Shoulders with Handcuffs with Rotation on a Bench Fix Your Shoulder Pain (SHORT & LONG TERM FIX!!) | MIND PUMP TV MAPS Prime Pro Webinar MAPS Prime Webinar Want to improve your golf game? - Mind Pump 5 Exercises that will GUARANTEE A Better Golf Game! - Mind Pump TV 4 Best Golf Exercises - How to Increase Your Driver Distance! - Mind Pump TV Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Jordan Shallow D.C (@the_muscle_doc)  Instagram Dr Disrespect (@DrDisrespect)  Twitter Brandon Harris (@brandon_pfs)  Instagram Sugar Sean O'Malley (@sugaseanmma)  Instagram

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Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump, right? Today we did a live call-in episode. People actually called in and we coached them on air with fitness and health. So it's pretty fun.
Starting point is 00:00:26 By the way, if you ever want to be on one of these episodes, email your question to live at mindpumpmedia.com. Now we opened the episode with an intro. It took us 47, excuse me, 46 minutes to do so. That's what we talked about current events and scientific studies and we brought up our sponsors. After the 46 minute intro, we got to the question. So here's what went down in today's show.
Starting point is 00:00:44 We opened up by talking about one of the top three lower body, best lower body exercises that exist. And it's not what you think. Then we talked about Adam's sensual evening alone. He was all alone the other night. Katrina and his son weren't home. So what did he do? Then we talked about magic spoon cereal.
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Starting point is 00:02:02 Then we got to the questions the first one was from Greg from New York, lost a lot of weight in a short period of time, wants to know how to train his body now. Then we talked to James from Pennsylvania. He's doing a lot of Brazilian digits who wants to know how to add strength training to that. Then we talked to Nathan from Iowa. He's suffering from scapular winging, one or nobody can do to fix that issue. And then we talked to John from Connecticut. He wants to improve his golf swing power. Also, three days left, only 72 hours left for February's big maps program promotion.
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Starting point is 00:03:10 And the code for both for 50% off is FEB50. Once again, FEB50 with no space gives you 50% off Maps Performance or Maps Esthetic. One of the best exercises for your lower body in terms of development, strength, speed, and function, up there with squats is the sled. All right, we gotta talk about the sled again. You know what? Please can we get a sponsorship so we can get paid for you pushing the sled. I know, dude.
Starting point is 00:03:36 It's not a specific sled, you know? Do you talk about the sled, like, at least? You're re-iterating, like, what I've been trying to be an evangelist for forever. Dude, you know how he is, though? It's like he waits forever to do it until it's like on his terms. And then once he like, but then he's got what we're just talking about. We're talking about something other day that you are like really enjoying or you're liking.
Starting point is 00:03:55 And I'm like, I've been trying to get you to do it forever. What was it? We were just talking about it yesterday. Oh, remember? Game of Thrones? No, no, no, it was something else. That was forever. Oh, no, it was Twitter. Oh, yeah. So he comes in. he comes in the studio. He's made for me.
Starting point is 00:04:07 I knew that. I knew that. I knew you were. Whatever, bro, you come in this, so maybe two, three years ago, I was like, Sal, you were made for Twitter. You shouldn't even be fucking with Instagram. It's totally for you. You always have all these thoughts and you should just be putting out tweets all day long.
Starting point is 00:04:22 I said, you'll blow up. He did it for like five minutes and then fucking didn't mess with it after that. After Instagram kicked him off. Now he's on, and he comes in the office and say, bro, Twitter was made for me. Yeah. It's true.
Starting point is 00:04:34 You know what, I didn't want to do more social media. I was over it, but now that I got kicked off Instagram, and I can focus on it, right? Now I want, now I'm just pissed off. Yeah. No, but back to the sled. Yeah. How do you ask me five years ago,
Starting point is 00:04:46 name your top three lower body exercises for, just overall development strength, all this stuff, I would not have put the sled in there. I don't think I would have put the sled even in the top, eight maybe. Very underestimated. It's super underrated, but now for sure it's up there, and it's up there for a few different reasons.
Starting point is 00:05:04 One, it does build a lot of muscle and strength. It's a great hypertrophy exercise, but the main benefits of it are doesn't damage your body at all like other exercises. So you can do a tremendous amount of volume and frequency with the sled. The injury risk is really low. The damage and soreness, you know, issues are really low. So it's like, right now what I'm experiencing, this is the more I do push the sled, the more fit and strong and muscular my legs. It's so complimentary to all the other compound lifts.
Starting point is 00:05:33 And yeah, like you said, building up the volume and the work capacity, so for athletes, that was like my go-to is to get their legs strong. And then also have them on their forefoot, instead of always back on their heels for squats. So building that foot strength, there's lots of benefits that you don't really realize from it.
Starting point is 00:05:53 Well, do you think why that is is because there's not a lot of things that you can do for your legs that take out the centric portion of the exercise? 100% Yes. And so you're not doing as much, but you can load it like really. So similar to like Olympic lifting right? Yes, so that's about the only Semolimpic lifts are so technical right? Yeah, right. Yeah, limbic list and that maybe that's what it is
Starting point is 00:06:11 So what a great way to to draw Maybe like an example for the the audience like why this sled is so awesome is You get similar type of benefits in Olympic lifting, but it's extremely technical. I can teach a 80-year-old lady to push a sled. Yes. So she can get some of those benefits that some advanced athletes can get from Olympic lifting, she can now get with the sled.
Starting point is 00:06:34 You need minimal mobility for a sled in comparison to other very effective lower body exercise. It's very natural as far as teaching, right? Very easy to teach. If I train a kid who's never worked out before or somebody who's got issues with mobility, we can usually do some form of the sled. It's split stance, so it's very natural for athletics. I would have never guessed the muscle development would have been so incredible because of
Starting point is 00:07:01 the lack of the negative. Now it is true that the negative portion of exercises is one of the most effective, you know, muscle building aspects of a rep. However, if you add lots of volume and frequency, which you can do when you don't have the negative, right? Without the negative portion and the safety of an exercise, like a sled, you could do it more often and more frequent.
Starting point is 00:07:21 So I literally can push the sled for four sets, three days a a week and I have no, I don't feel anything on my joints on my body like I would if I did any other lower body exercise, but I still get like this great muscle building and strength effect from it. I can't believe I underrated it for so long. It's definitely up there. So yeah, you, you, this whole time, and the problem Justin is that you, for me at least, was that you sold it so much as a functional exercise, which is very true time. And the problem, Justin, is that you, for me at least, was that you sold it so much as a functional exercise, which is very true. And for hypertrophy-minded people like me, which I tend to be also, it makes me kind of discredit
Starting point is 00:07:55 a little bit like, okay, I like the function aspect, but. Well, that was the main focus of I think, when you see it in the gym, like only like your functional athletic type, you know, coaches and athletes in the gym, like only like your functional athletic type, the coaches and athletes in the gym were actually using it. So yeah, there's so much more, it translates so much more to other avenues,
Starting point is 00:08:14 like hypertrophy and other pursuits that, I think you're gonna see a lot more people trying to figure out how to incorporate in their program. Yeah, inside effect, by the way, you push the sled, your calves grow a little bit too. Yeah. Not very many lower body exercises will do that. It was one of the things that I did to keep my volume up
Starting point is 00:08:34 on my legs. So, men's physique, there's no benefit to me getting massive legs, but I cared personally about keeping my leg size because it was something that I was working on for so long. So, when I switched over to getting ready to compete for men's physique where I'm being judged by mostly my upper body and maybe a little bit of my calves,
Starting point is 00:08:51 I didn't want to lose size on my legs. One of the ways that I kept the volume up was because I was so focused on all the upper body type stuff was to keep driving the sled on a regular basis. Like I loved it. So as a hypertrophy guy at that time, I actually use it a lot like that. And there's a lot of, we had some old videos
Starting point is 00:09:08 when we were at the other, what gym was that? Oh, that was a club sport or whatever. Yeah, I don't know if you remember or not, but that was back when I was competing. Is it quite a bit? I use it a lot. In fact, one of my favorite exercises that we, and we don't talk about it that often,
Starting point is 00:09:23 and replacing leg extensions is the drag the sled. Backwards. Is the drop down at 90 degrees, just so I'm basically, I'm simulating, like I'm sitting down, right? But I'm holding the sled and then to walk backwards. Oh, it's all quad. Oh, all quad.
Starting point is 00:09:37 Just we get a massive pump from that and feel so good and you're doing something that's functional. So, yeah, I love doing, and Justin really got me doing it in the like the sled side drags and things like that, which I needed to do more of those, like doing it like carry-off the style to the side. But there's so much that you can do for your lower body with it. The only obviously the drawback is not everybody has the,
Starting point is 00:10:00 you know, that much room to do that. Well, you know, I don't know. Most gyms don't now have it, so. They do, but I didn't know this. So you can buy a sled room to do that. Yeah, well, you know, I don't know. Most gyms don't now have it, so. They do, but I didn't know this. So you could buy a sled, they're relatively inexpensive, but they're usually the ones that slide. So you would need like grass or something smooth,
Starting point is 00:10:13 it's hard to do it on the street, or you push it on the street, though, don't you? I do at home. I've seen you push it over street before. But just, I didn't know this. That asshole neighbor, it's fucking six o'clock in the morning here this. That's me.
Starting point is 00:10:24 That's me. I mean, I can just imagine living next to you. I got a long ass ride way too soft open down it. I remember I'm the first time I seen you do in a video and I thought this this motherfucker gets up at six o'clock in the morning and trains. He's got this guy, I mean this is back when you were living in the townhouse. And I'm thinking you got people right next to you. I think they got to hear this sledge. And you know what's funny?
Starting point is 00:10:43 Yeah, you know it's funny. A couple times. This is true. A couple times neighbor walks out because I think they got to hear this sledge. You know it's funny. You know it's funny. A couple times. It's true. It did. A couple times, the neighbor walks out. Because I know they hear me. They walk out. And what do they see?
Starting point is 00:10:50 They get a white sweater guy. Yeah, big white sweater guy. What's he gonna say? He's gonna say, I'm gonna slide. So like, oh, go get him. I come out in his room. Hey, I, uh, anyway, carry on.
Starting point is 00:10:58 Yeah. Oh, that's cool. And they walk back inside. Yeah. No. So it's, it's, it's pretty hilarious. Sure. So, uh, how was the, the night alone? I know both of you guys were home alone. No, why? Yeah. So what was the deal? What, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what it's pretty hilarious, too. So how was the night alone?
Starting point is 00:11:05 I know both of you guys were home alone. No, why? Yeah, so what was the deal? Let's start with you Adam, what'd you do last time? You know, what do you, what do you, what do you, men do when they're alone? Oh, God. Talk about the manly stuff.
Starting point is 00:11:16 You're probably an Adam. I'm gonna sit you up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, so I did alive. I'm doing more of the lives. I don't know if you guys are seeing, I know you're like, we don't pay attention to each other as Instagrams that often, but I've been doing more Instagram lives
Starting point is 00:11:28 when I can. Obviously when I don't have Katrina and I don't have the kid there, I don't feel guilty for, you know, taking off for an hour, right, and just sitting on my phone and talking to Instagram people, right? But it seems that people really enjoy that.
Starting point is 00:11:41 It's more interactive. The reason why I do the Q&A where I answer and I don't do video is because I can answer more, in case someone's wondering, because I've been asked this before, like do more live. You're not required to be on. Yes, right, I can multitask.
Starting point is 00:11:55 We could be sitting here talking work and business, I can answer two, three questions at the same time, and then I can also be with Katrina Mac. So that's the reason why I do just typing the answer because I feel like I can answer more and help more. So you do live then. So that's the reason why I do just typing the answer because I feel like I can answer more and help more. So you did a live them. So I did a live first, right? So that was like the first thing I did. Of course, I smoked a little bit of weed, put my feet up and relaxed, then I drew a bubble bath. Oh my gosh. What do you do that every time? I'm a big bath. Wait,
Starting point is 00:12:22 hold on. Okay, fine. bath, fine. White bubbles. I don't know, it just feels better, doesn't it? No, it feels like little balls that you put in there. Oh no, we have we have epsin salt that, so we have a nice, okay, that's fine. Yeah, we have the nice epsin salt. And then you have like, bro, if you have children's bubble bath.
Starting point is 00:12:37 No, not children's, we like the Valentine's roses and just, you know, like the petals. Look at that crazy. But you know, the bubbles, you know, it gets all silky on your body and makes you know, you know the bubbles you know get saw Silky on your body and makes you feel so being clean Actually, like we do have like a I don't know like a like a spa like a bubble bath like it's an adult Mr. Bubble bath for adults. Yeah, it is.
Starting point is 00:13:06 Wow. I mean, that's true. No, it's got a lavender. It's lavender and something else. And it is, I forget. I'll post or share. I'll find or have Andrew. Too far in one part.
Starting point is 00:13:18 Just a little water. And then I had the, brought the TV in there. So I was probably in the bath for like two hours. I ended up watching, you know what I watched? So hold on, so you sit in there, I've got a picture of this right now. With your big ass, I know you guys have a big tub, but you're a tall guy, so your big ass is in there,
Starting point is 00:13:37 so your knees are probably sticking out. No, these are tub, our tub's are huge. Our tubs are huge, they're every bit, six foot long. Oh, so your legs are good. Oh yeah, I can extend all, yeah, no, let's say, Our tubs are like huge. They're every bit six foot long. So your legs are your legs are. Oh yeah, I can extend all the, yeah, no, I even roll a towel behind my neck and I'm like, oh, and I got my joint up on the window seal and my drink and then I'm remote
Starting point is 00:13:55 so I can watch the team. Can you drink glass of wine? No, I wasn't having that. I wasn't romancing myself. I just had a, I had a Sevilla, you know, so I was drinking a Sevilla. But you know what I did watch last night? I didn't know this was out. You guys have to watch this, which it's interesting how Netflix was doing this.
Starting point is 00:14:10 So there is a new documentary series on Kanye West. And weird though, you know how we talked to Mark, the last name's gonna, it's, it's escaping me right now. The Netflix co-founder, Randolph. Randolph, thank you, Doug. He said that, remember when I brought up the question of, like, I thought that it was a strategy about HBO and- To release the slow-witted stuff.
Starting point is 00:14:35 Yeah, to drip it over time and so that, and he says, no, that's not the strategy, because they just don't have enough content, so they do that. Well, guess what Netflix did? But the Kanye West docuseries is a four-part series that's already been shot that has the dates that are dripping over the next-
Starting point is 00:14:50 So they're dripping it on purpose? It has to be. So it's the first one I've ever seen like this, but dude, this documentary, how cool is this? Okay. Kanye West's buddy, Kudy, is a videographer kid. At the time, he's 19 years old. They actually were already starting to document Kanye's journey
Starting point is 00:15:09 back when he was living at home with his mom and nobody knew. One thing he doesn't lack is confidence. I guess I say, bro, it's a surprise. Yeah, it's self belief right away. Oh yeah. Very much self belief. Very much so.
Starting point is 00:15:19 And he calls a lot of stuff. And he got turned down by so many people. And it's really inspiring to watch. And I'm not like a huge Kanye West fan. I mean, I like his stuff. I know a lot of people hate on him because he seems crazy and the same. But I tell you what, after you watch,
Starting point is 00:15:36 I don't know if you could watch that and not like the guy. Like he's got a really, he's had a since day one had a really positive attitude. Even on the way he wanted to wrap and the stuff that he wanted to talk about, because he came from the same, he came from the same ghettos, he's from Chicago, like he came up with people getting shot in the streets,
Starting point is 00:15:54 but he's like, I put my head down and I grind it and worked and I didn't want to get into the gang shit and people were hating on him because he wasn't street enough. He's like, well, if I grew up on 76 street my whole life. And just because I decided to read and to learn and to work on my craft and put my head down and stay out of trouble and so like that, I'm gonna get hated on by my peers because of that.
Starting point is 00:16:18 And so he really was kind of held back from, or not held back, but not a lot of people would give him the credit early on. And he was doing beats for like JZ and stuff early on. He's super talented. Oh, super talented. And it's a great, I watched. You know what he reminds me of Alex Jones,
Starting point is 00:16:35 but in the sense that, you know what you know why? Because same thing like Alex Jones, they say a lot of crazy shit, but then some of it comes to him. Inside that crazy shit is true. Yes, inside of it, there's some truth and some brilliant. So they'll see like, you know, gay frogs, lizard people, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:16:52 And then they'll say something, but wait a minute, that's brilliant. I mean, it's like surround by. It's actually a pretty good comparison for how you're comparing it. Because I think that is what I think is intriguing about him is like the things that he's saying at like 18, 19 years old and you're I mean the kid is broke and barely
Starting point is 00:17:11 coming up but he was he was prolific at that age dude like already. Have you heard him? Have you seen how he makes fun of what's the guy's name that's being in all the chicks now? Hoking up with Kim. What's his name? He looks like he's a avid. Oh, oh, he's a avid. Pete Davidson, have you seen how he talks shit about Pete? No, I haven't. I have it. It's hilarious. We'll see that.
Starting point is 00:17:31 He has a nickname for him. I can't remember duckin' lookin' up. Look up Kanye West's nickname for Pete Davidson. It's hilarious. But he said something like, Pete Davidson's like, hey man, you know, I respect you, you as a father, I'll treat your kids, whatever you like.
Starting point is 00:17:42 You will never meet my kids. It's like, I can't blame him though. Would you want to be Davidson? No, no, for sure. That was pretty much my, and then I moved from the bathtub and poured myself a ginormous bowl of magic spoon with my own appearance. Blueberry super dance. The whole barway. It was such a, yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:03 He calls a high ski. What is that? High ski. Oh, that's his name. Oh, that's what he calls. He's David's. Yeah. Why is he called that bro?
Starting point is 00:18:14 What is the word high ski? Yeah, what is the word? You know, I want you guys to watch it though because again, I'm not a big, I'm not like a big Kanye West fan, but I'm more of a fan of him now. Oh, it's a trashy white male. After watching the documentary, and I'm really excited to see the rest of it because how cool is that that they were falling him around with the camera like really, really early on.
Starting point is 00:18:36 I mean, there's clips of him, you know, meeting Jay-Z very like for the first time and like them like turning him down and no one's signing him as a record label and like Him still walking out and you think you'd be all discouraged and you know That's the thing about successful people is you don't see all the the consistency and determination Yeah, that's why this is so good. It looks obvious right you see Kanye. Oh, well of course He's so successful because he's so talented. You have no idea what led to that. I had that conversation all my life last night, a kid came on a young guy came on and was
Starting point is 00:19:11 discouraged. He's been a personal trainer for a while and he just feels like the market is oversaturated. And I kind of went on this rant about, you know, one, you're not being fair to yourself. Two, the market is saturated, it's saturated with mostly garbage and there's still tons of people to help out. And I said, you can't look at someone like myself or my partners and go like, oh, you know, I wanna try and do that and think that the answer is
Starting point is 00:19:41 hacking some algorithm or being great on a podcast. The real success of the business is hacking some algorithm or being great on a podcast, the real success of the business is the two decades before. One hundred percent. Getting all of our lumps and bruises. I said, if we had, let's say we had all the same like, you know, know how as far as podcasting and e-commerce and everything that we know now at 23 and tried to do this, it wouldn't be successful. No, you wouldn't have these things.
Starting point is 00:20:06 Our advice would be shit. It wouldn't be life changing. It wouldn't be helping so many people out. So it required us to get knocked down and get back up and knocked down and get back up for two decades in order to create something so special today. And so, you know, if you're a new trainer and you've only been doing this for a couple years and you're comparing yourself to some of the people that are doing big things
Starting point is 00:20:28 and going, oh my god, it's oversaturated, you're focusing on the wrong thing. You've got to go and put the working in. You want to just, you're just trying to justify why you want to either quit or why it's not working. That's right. And the, and the real greats, you know, tying it back to Kanye, I mean, these people have been grinding for a long, long time before you saw the overnight success. And if you compare yourself to the, the small window that you knew, though, you're, you're really doing a disservice to your. You have no idea. So you, so I want to go back to your magic spoon bowl. So you're in the, you're in the, you're in the bathtub. No, no, I don't eat it in the bath tub.
Starting point is 00:21:05 This is what I moved from the bath tub back down. It was just like one of those serving bowls. So I only have the chips. So it was a Christmas gift, like four or five years from someone in Katrina's family. We're like, because we had, you know, we had a traditional like cereal bowls for people. It's tiny.
Starting point is 00:21:23 Yeah, what is that? Yeah, I is that right? I'm a 230 pound man, dude. I need like a, so all of my bowls are like, they're there. They're technically serving bowls, but I use them as like eating, eating. So yes, I had a, I don't know, maybe I'd say
Starting point is 00:21:36 a half a box of blueberry. Like a good 70 grams of protein. Yeah, half a box of blueberry with, and I love slicing a fresh banana on it. Now you're watching, is this when you were watching Kanye? Yeah, so I started off watching another doc and then I came downstairs after the bubble bath and made my big old bowl of magic spoon and lit the fire and later I mean, you play toenails.
Starting point is 00:21:59 Oh, you know, it's funny. It's funny now having it. With the song you play, Justin. Be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be-be- I literally fantasize about sleeping. She's like, I just picture being able to sleep and sleep in and then wake up and eat a little bit and going back to sleep. I hear it live right there. That's what I watched the Alley Wong stand up. Oh, yeah, I watched that.
Starting point is 00:22:36 And she talks about, she talks about talking shit to single people. Hey, she went hard, bro. Did she not go hard? The mouth on her is so serious. Love her. She's good. Oh, she went hard. Yeah, the most filthy. I loved it Dude the part that made Jessica and I laugh so it's gonna be a little explicit here is like she's talking about like Coming on the face. Yeah, yeah, she just stopped shows. I love
Starting point is 00:23:00 Come on my face of come on my face. Oh, I want to say. Everything she has a good explanation goes, cause then you're done. She's like, blow jobs are so much more. And she's reenacting like, oh, her whole bit about being a wealthy, powerful woman. Yes.
Starting point is 00:23:19 Like, in comparison. That's actually some truth. And no, that's why it was actually really, this guy's can't handle it. I mean, some of the best jokes and comedy is stuff that the root of it is true. No. And I think why I thought it was so funny is,
Starting point is 00:23:34 you know, I just, that's not something I would think about. Like, wow, how funny is that? As she gets wealthier and more famous, her pool of guys shrinks, and the opposite is true for a famous dude. And I thought, wow, that's really an interesting perspective, but she had a whole bit on it that I thought was really fun.
Starting point is 00:23:51 She was like, it's scary dick offerings. This guy was my wife last night too. Did you take a sneak in a scary? You took a bubble bath? I'm pretty sure you did it. I'm pretty sure you did it. He's sandpapered. I had a completely different process dude.
Starting point is 00:24:04 It was terrible. So I don't really smoke often. Sometimes I'll do edible, but I decided like I had one. It's like in my emergency stash, you know, and I found this joint. And so I went out and I let the dogs out, do their thing. And I'm outside smoking. I went inside and what was on TV. I just kind of stumbled across was like six cents, right? So I haven't seen that movie for ever.
Starting point is 00:24:26 So you're stoned alone. So I'm stoned alone. I'm stoned alone. I have, like, again, the paranoia and all that is like kind of setting in and of course, I don't know, you know, obviously like this is because I set myself up for this, but another reason why I think my house is hot.
Starting point is 00:24:42 More? What's going on, dude? Okay, so I was watching this and I couldn't watch the whole movie because I just kept like hearing things Another reason why I think my house is hot. More? Yes. What's going on, dude? Okay, so I was watching this, and I couldn't watch the whole movie because I just kept hearing things, and the dogs, all of a sudden got this, like, their hair stood up,
Starting point is 00:24:54 and they started looking at the walls, and started barking at the walls. Oh my God. Oh my God. And I'm like, okay, I'm gonna change the channel. I started watching that comedy show, but all of a sudden, I hear this scraping on the ceiling, and it's like, what the, coming down the wall.
Starting point is 00:25:11 Are you serious, right? I'm serious. And then I look up and the dogs are bark barking at the ceiling, and there's this balloon. And so this came out of like Everett's room, and okay, logically, right? I was stone and I was like, oh, yeah, but logically, logically, like the, you know, the heater was on and I'm sure it was like blowing the balloon, you know, across the ceiling all the way to like,
Starting point is 00:25:36 literally where I was sitting. And I'm like, that's so weird, dude. Like, I'm like, so good. Okay, so I just looked at the balloon, I'm like, dude, like, ah, and I grabbed it and then popped it. So I had a crazy, I don't know, I don't know how much you read about paranormal stuff, but balloons are apparently, this is how ghost hunters, I'm serious. One of the techniques they'll use to see
Starting point is 00:25:59 if there's a spirit is they'll use balloons, because for some reason, especially evil spirits, I'm just gonna scare you. I mean, some of them are being homalown in the big old house like that and being high is probably, I totally slip my mind, but hearing you tell the story right now, I go, oh my God, I called Katrina last night and I actually text her first, I said, hey, call me later on, I gotta tell you
Starting point is 00:26:20 this scary story that happened to me. And she's like, what happened, what was the scary thing? I was like, oh, I said, so I'm downstairs, I would tell you this scary story that happened to me. And she's like, what happened? What was the scary thing? I was like, oh, I said, so I'm downstairs. I would already smoke and I'm watching TV. And my phone alerts that the temperature in Max's room has dropped. So I don't know if you guys know, like the Nanit camera will tell me if the temperature goes too high.
Starting point is 00:26:41 Did we do it real cold real fast? Well, it wasn't like crazy. And this happens all the time and I keep the house really cold. So that I get the alert, right? And I don't think anything of it. I'm like, whatever. And then it go it vibrates and goes off again.
Starting point is 00:26:53 And it says movement. I thought, oh, maybe the door blew something open. I ignore it again. I don't think I'll think of it because obviously I'm home alone, so I'm not even concerned. The alert goes off again. And so I click on it. and when I click on it, I get a person and a body moving in front of the camera.
Starting point is 00:27:10 I fuck off. My fucking heart jumps out of my chest before I realized that Katrina took the nanocamera with her, and that was her setting it up, I believe her in trucking. Oh my god. Oh, yeah. Such a dumb house.
Starting point is 00:27:25 Yeah, I mean, it was only a moment before I put it together, but that moment, I literally felt my heart jump out of my chest because I had already ignored it twice. And when I ignored it, I was already in my head, go, oh, it's probably because I opened it. So when you're in that state of mind, I swear. Oh yeah. So many things start kind of appearing in your mind.
Starting point is 00:27:43 I didn't even, I didn't even don't, of course she took that. So how weird is this, right? Let me ask you as if this happens to you because as a dad, if my kids and my wife in the house, and I feel or see something like that, I act before I can think and the way I act is very aggressively go after whatever it is, right? So I've done this before, I did the same thing
Starting point is 00:28:04 with the cameras where I have two cameras before. I did the same thing with the cameras, where I have two cameras. One was in the baby's room and one was in another room on what, looking at the play pen. And I mistook one for the other and I looked at it and I saw my son was gone and I instinctively, I instinctively jumped to go run into the room and then I realized what's going on.
Starting point is 00:28:21 But if I'm alone, do you grab your samurai sword? Yeah, do it. But if I'm alone, I'm more apt to leave. But if I'm alone, you grab your samurai sword. Yeah, dude. But if I'm alone, I'm more apt to leave. So if I'm by myself. So, and I see some shit, I'm out. So, so I had the, I had the, I see the camera laying, I'm laying on the couch and I have this.
Starting point is 00:28:36 Yeah, yeah. I did this, the stance of, do I go that way or do I bolt out the door, you know, say like it literally was that moment and that was like my heart started racing on what I was out the door you know say like it literally was that moment and that was like my heart So erratie on what I was gonna do, you know Oh, dude, and then it sat in I realized it was Katrina and she was up in trucky, but If you're by yourself you're more you guess when you're with your I don't know what it is it takes over
Starting point is 00:28:57 I'm like, ah sure. It's totally opposite though. What I'm myself. Oh, yeah, well, especially if I yeah if I smoked it all like I get Like I was walking all the doors, I was walking around the perimeter of the house. Oh my God. What a bad idea. Well, I was just, and I was hearing like, you know, nature and like it was messing me up. Yeah, this scary thing, one of the scariest things,
Starting point is 00:29:16 so first off, spirits and shit like that, never scared me at all. And my, my rationale was always, well, if I see an evil spirit, well, there's my ultimate proof that, you know, that shit exists and that means God exists. So I'm not scared of you, huh? Right? So that's kind of like my rationale about all that stuff. Not scared of intruders. I have zero fear of an intruder. If anything, I'm going to I'll go in and, you know, guns blazing. The stupidest shit I get worried about. Aliens. It's a kid thing. I was a kid, dude. I really don't have a kid. I'm a kid abducted.
Starting point is 00:29:46 I don't know what it is. Every since I was a child, I read all these alien books and shit. We'll see that's what I need. And it's just stupidest thing. And it's just stupidest thing. And it's stupidest thing. And it's stupidest thing.
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Starting point is 00:30:14 Okay. There was one episode. So scare tactics basically is there's actors. There's a real person that doesn't know that they're with actors. They use special effects and all kinds of stuff to scare the shit out of someone. Yeah. I probably saw this episode.
Starting point is 00:30:25 Really scary. There was one where they were like, I don't know, I think they were in a win-a-bego and they see a fucking spaceship like land. And alien, they see an alien, the guy freaks out, there's all actors in there, right? But except for one dude and he's freaking out, then they pulled the drapes open, there's an alien standing in the window. I swore to God, I would have murdered everyone in the world. I would have killed everyone. It's a joke. Fuck you. Did you see the one where they had
Starting point is 00:30:49 of this lady's? She's like, she came in to kind of help out this like hospital setting or whatever. Oh, giving birth, giving birth. Oh, and that's the best. Like, come in and help and we need this and and this one with the first and then this little person comes out that was like Dress like a little demon, a little demon. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,
Starting point is 00:31:11 I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,
Starting point is 00:31:21 I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,, but actually looks kind of evil. I'm here to be with the delivery or whatever. And she's like, the doctor's like, yeah, let him in. Anyway, eventually shit goes crazy. She goes in, the doctor's like, I need your help. Come in here, she goes in there.
Starting point is 00:31:33 And they have a little person covered in blood, but dressed up like a demon hiding under the table. And he jumps out like he just was born. Like, I don't even care if you're in on it. Like it was so freaky. Like I would have been like, ah, I'm not here. It's so hilarious. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:48 Anyway, hey, I wanted to talk to you guys. So we were, we had one of our sponsors was supposed to mention in today's episode of Z-Botics, but I did want to bring up a downside of Z-Botics. Maybe not the best commercial. Thank you. Give you two more. Maybe share this on a non-commercial day.
Starting point is 00:31:59 It's going into the nose. You know what it is? What's the job at? It's that what prevents a lot of people from, especially fitness people, I'm one of them from drinking alcohol is the shitty workouts the following day. But I've gotten DMs from people who are like, you know, damn zibotics. I'm like, why? They're like, because I don't feel like shit the next day.
Starting point is 00:32:16 So now I have a drink the day before I work out. I can give you behind that. I mean, I, I have drank more since we have had zibotic than I did the previous five years. Well, you just don't feel like you drank. Like, I used to feel like shit, and I'm like, forget it, I'm not gonna do it. Well, the cool part for me is that I couldn't even have, like, the way my body reacts to alcohols, I couldn't even have one or two drinks
Starting point is 00:32:36 without it kind of ruining the next day for me. Totally. That's how I respond until Z-Biotic. Well, I've actually been able to drink wine, which wine would give me horrible hangovers. I just avoided it completely. And I just started having a glass. If I'll go get a nice steak or something,
Starting point is 00:32:53 like I started to kind of incorporate that again, if I had Z-biotics, because it didn't give me, because even just like a couple, let's say two drink glasses of wine. Like I would the next day just have pounding headaches. So yeah, so it is a glasses of wine. Like, I would, the next day, just have like pounding headaches. So, yeah. So, it is a downside, man. Yeah, I know.
Starting point is 00:33:08 I know. Did you guys see, I talked about, since we're talking about supplements, did you see Jordan shallow answering questions this morning? No. Okay, so somebody asked him about the creatine's cognitive boosting benefits and brain health. And he starts, I love when he goes on his rants.
Starting point is 00:33:27 He's like, let's first address this whole, like, you know, using creatine for the cognitive benefits of it. He says, why don't you go to go read a fucking book. Read a book, pay your taxes, pay attention to, I was like, shallow. Well, you know, there's a thing though, and I, and I love about him that there is some
Starting point is 00:33:43 really good truth to that. Yes, and we talk about the studies that show like the benefits of that. And I think that's just another thing that supports how great creatine is. But he's so right that if you're really trying to boost cognitive function, like you discipline yourself to read, let's say, for 30 more minutes a day, then you were previously before, probably is going to give you as good or more benefits. Wait a minute. And so, and then you get all the other great side effects
Starting point is 00:34:09 of reading and learning, right? So it's such a, and we are in this, this time of we're always looking for shortcuts and hacks. And you know, it's like, God, that's such a good point that you're, if you're really seeking, and he kind of went on a rant that shit on like alpha brain and all these supplements in this marketing around like all the new tropics and everything. He's like there's so many things that you can do naturally that will boost cognitive. I used to have this
Starting point is 00:34:33 conversation with people who would spend a lot of money on supplements, you know, $250. I'm like, you know, you could hire a good trainer for three sessions. And in those three sessions, you'll get 100 times more value value than you will with the two-in-fidgeting ones. Way more. They'll assess you, they'll show you how to do correctional exercise and at least give you a good workout which is going to give you way better results than the pile of garbage you bought for $250. You know, I saw something else I wanted to bring it up and show you Sal, because something
Starting point is 00:35:02 that normally would not interest you but I think you think it's cool. So do you know the ball brothers, Lamello ball, Lonzo ball art? You don't know that. That's ball players. Okay. So the dad who's like really public and is always in their business, and there are three brothers that play ball. So Doug pull up Lamello ball shoes, Puma, Puma shoes. So he signed a contract with Puma and they did a collaboration with Rick and Morty. So big, yeah. Yeah. Big NBA player. So this is kind of cool because it was Kobe who brought back, I want to say it was Kobe who brought back a dea diss like to it because Nike has been dominant for so long for it for so long. Puma is not a brand
Starting point is 00:35:42 I would see in the NBA. Right. so they just signed this other kid, Mikey, who's coming up and he's in college right now, and I think he's gonna be a star later on. Is it the blue and black ones there? No, the bright ones. Did you put in, no, go down, go down, Doug, go down, go down. Yeah, all the hyper color ones. Oh, yeah. See the Rick and Morty.
Starting point is 00:35:58 Oh, yeah. I just thought that was, so it's already interesting to me that, you know, such a smart move by Puma doing this. Like P it's already interesting to me that, you know, this, this such a smart move by Puma doing this. Like Puma's got a pretty big name I can soccer, I believe, right? Is that where they're probably most famous? So, so Puma's got a pretty big name there, there, but they're, I don't even think they break the top, yeah, top three sneaker sales. Now Adidas was like this with Nike and then I believe it was Kobe who really broke Adidas was like this with Nike. And then I believe it was Kobe who really broke Adidas back out and put them as like a true rival
Starting point is 00:36:28 to Nike because before it was like Nike and then everybody else. And obviously signing Kobe was one of the biggest things that they ever did. That's smart. This is really smart. Well, Rick and Morty has a cult following. That's why I think it's kind of a unique collab.
Starting point is 00:36:42 I bet those shoes are gonna be worth money. Oh, they are, I'm sure they already are. Especially if it's the first. Did you guys talk about the Converse ever? Because I know, members. Converse is the original OG of basketball. Yeah, I know they had the high tops, which everybody wore. But I remember, the only other time, I remember it was like somewhat popular.
Starting point is 00:37:00 It was Larry Johnson, right? And they're like the black top ones. Yeah, well you remember, so I'm correct me if I'm wrong, Doug, maybe you can Google this from real quick, but I'm pretty sure that Converse is owned by Nike now. So they are, yeah. So they probably stay in their lane of like the type of demographic they go after
Starting point is 00:37:18 and they don't try and compete. What ever happened to British Knights, one of those? GKGK Nike, who's lined up. Yeah, LA Payers use you, goodbye. You know what, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, G, Yeah, everybody wanted to do the ch- You were the man. So you remember Reebok made the big move with Alan Iverson? That kind of brought them back on the map. It's kind of like this, yeah, I mean, if a sneaker company makes the right call on the athlete that's gonna- At what point are E-E athletes gonna start wearing shit?
Starting point is 00:37:58 It's probably already how I am. Yeah, we're just not in that click, so we don't know. I follow one of the most popular, after we had that interview with our boy. Mark Master? Yeah, thank you. I don't know why names are slipping me. It didn't have my organified peer, right?
Starting point is 00:38:14 So after we had that interview with him, I started following this kid that's from the Bay area, that's probably one of the more popular kids. And they're already sponsored by stuff like that, so I don't know what his, his, uh, if he has a sneaker line or not, but I mean, that community is huge and extremely influential. Does your, do you know, do you know if your son follows kids like that? Like he goes on, he goes on, what's that? Uh, yeah, there you go. He'll go on Twitch. I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't pay attention to the names, but I do notice
Starting point is 00:38:43 that he'll watch like the same kind of people over and over again. You guys know who, like, one of the most famous Twitch guys is, the doctor, doctor disrespect. No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, doctor disrespect. He's hilarious. He is, and he's like, he's like our age.
Starting point is 00:38:56 So he's, he got, I actually like him a lot. He won the blockbuster, like two years in a row, like 1980 or 1990 something, I can't remember, it was like 80s or 90s, like blockbuster championship thing or whatever. Dude, because remember that movie with Fred Savage, where he was playing like Mario's three, there he is. This was a thing way back before it became eSports. Oh, wow, look at him. So my buddy is, I have two friends that are still pretty hardcore in a gaming. He's been talking about this guy for a long time. Yeah, and I finally clicked on it to watch.
Starting point is 00:39:25 I mean, this dude has, I mean, he puts a lot of, I mean, watch, you'll have a hard, I mean, I know you guys will have a hard time probably sticking with it, but he has like an eight minute intro into his, like, YouTube channel, like it's, and he's super dramatic when he gets in there. And he gets his name, Dr. Disrespect,
Starting point is 00:39:41 from talking shit to a little bit of a guy. And he's like, I'm not sure if he's gonna be a it's, and he's super dramatic when he gets in there, he gets his name, Dr. Disrespect, from talking shit to little kids. Oh really? He's fucking there. Yeah, he's fucking there. And he's funny, and he's got the whole mullet going on
Starting point is 00:39:55 and stuff, so he's, and he's a big old tall dude. And he's like six, six eight or some shit, he's a tall. Oh, hello, that's great. Hey, so I want to ask you Adam, when Katrina weaned Max off of breastfeeding, was he still obsessed with her boobs? Was there like a thing there?
Starting point is 00:40:10 Oh, he still is. So, it's a really a stay-heeled group. Cracking me up right now. Oh, bro, if she wears any kind of shirt at all, that's low-cut-ish. You don't have to be crazy. Low-cut-ish. Shows his face in there.
Starting point is 00:40:23 Obsessed. Obsessed. He wants to sit our look at him. He kiss him. Well, isn't that he hugs him? He pads on him. Tata tata tata tata. And I want I'm like and like cracking up. I'm like, what did he goes like this?
Starting point is 00:40:35 He'll pat on them. Playing the song is yeah, he'll squeeze him. He'll hug him. Kiss him. I'm like, dude, what did you do to my son? Later, but he's gonna have a weird fetish. When he grows up. Is is Freud's theory on that? Is that still the prevailing theory?
Starting point is 00:40:49 Is that been disproven as far as like man's fascination with boob is all from our childhood? Well, is that true or no? That's one, I mean, that's part of the theory. The other, because female humans are the only, one of the only mammals that always have breasts. So other mammals, they'll, they're, they're breasts will only engorge when they're best feeding and then go away.
Starting point is 00:41:09 Female mammals, we are humans, excuse me, have boobs all the time and they think it's because we've sexualized them. So because we stand upright, our visible signs of a rousal or whatever are not as evident. And so they say, well, that's probably why we developed having boobs all the time. It was this, it also became a sexual thing,
Starting point is 00:41:28 not just for function. Oh, okay. But he, he, bro, I'm telling you, he's funny about it. Pats on him, play hugs on him, does this. And I just watch him, be like, this, what's gonna happen when he grows up? I hope he gets over this. It's gonna be weird, bro.
Starting point is 00:41:42 I don't think, I don't think he do, bro. So massive, massive imprints. Yeah. It's made of massive imprints. Yeah. But Max is almost kind of weird like, Oh yeah, he's still, he's even with me. So I take baths with him still a time, right?
Starting point is 00:41:54 And when we do, at one point in the bath, he'll be playing and then I'll say, I'll like come up and my chest will come out of the water and it will always stop him cold in his tracks and he's got to come over And I just look at him like bro, what are you doing? I'm saying come on. Yeah, these don't work. Yeah, he's definitely he's fast. This is a pecs, bro These are not like moms this is a big not like moms at all. Yeah, hilarious So do you guys you guys see I guess a new report came out inflation going up faster than they thought?
Starting point is 00:42:26 Of course, yeah, yeah, 14 basis points had jumped and they think there's could have predict it. They think that I know it's so funny We would it we can never guess. I just so weird anyway. They're talking about hiking rates like some maybe up to 10 times Are they still trying to promote it? Like it's a good thing? No, now I think they're starting to fall back. So I think the consensus is more like five. So the original prediction was like three hikes at like a, you know, 50 basis points total or some shit like that. I was literally just listening to the,
Starting point is 00:42:58 or my real estate news stuff this morning and they said, now it's looking more like five hikes over the course of the year. They think it's probably gonna land somewhere in the mid-forged to high-forged is where we'll probably end up. Which still technically is. The inflation is still gonna be double or triple that.
Starting point is 00:43:15 So, yeah, I mean, it's like too little too late. Yeah, no, and the market's still going. I mean, it's the real stable. You know what, speaking of the real, and also what I was listening to that is fascinating, the shit out of me is, and also what I was listening to that is fascinating. The shit out of me is any guesses on how much real estate was sold last year in the Metaverse
Starting point is 00:43:30 and what it's predicted to do this year. Oh, I don't tell me. It's going crazy. So October, remember October was when the announcement of Meta happened, right? So since that in October, it's gone up like ninefold. And that is in October. So closing out last year, a half a billion dollars sold
Starting point is 00:43:52 in real estate in the metaverse. The prediction is for that to at least double this year. Already closing in January was almost a hundred million dollars in real estate in the virtual. So let me ask you this, Adam, where would we buy? Because part of the house. So there's four popular, decentralized sandbox,
Starting point is 00:44:13 and then the other two are gonna slip me right now, but there's four major areas in the metaverse right now that are selling the most real estate. And now what's gonna be in those areas in the metaverse? So why are they? So different ones have different things. Like I believe Nike is in one of them,
Starting point is 00:44:28 and then you have people like, so the idea is you own a piece of property there, and there's gonna be other things that are gonna attract people to go to this online, and then you own a piece of property. To be honest with you guys, I sent you guys a link today to listen to it, because I want you to listen to it,
Starting point is 00:44:41 because it's very speculative. It would be gambling for sure to do this, but the prediction on how fat, well, not only the prediction, but how fast that real estate is going up from just like six months ago and the prediction on how much it's going to go up, you know, we can buy a piece of land that's by Nike
Starting point is 00:44:59 or one of these big like a theme parks that are being built in there for relatively cheap. I mean, you've heard some record ones being sold for like in the million, but you can get like a theme parks that are being built in there for for relatively cheap. I mean, you've heard some record ones being sold for like in the million, but you can get like a lot for like $12,000, $15,000. I was just going to say you can get a home loan. Right. Right. So, I mean, it would be a little bit of a gamble, but it's not like we have a gamble
Starting point is 00:45:18 on stocks or other things like that. Buy it and leave it and see. And then I wouldn't leave it for too long. I would ride the wave on the prediction of 30 to 50% growth, and then I would flip it and sell it, because the other, the people that are skeptical, as I am, is it's more like a Ponzi scheme, and there's gonna be a lot of people
Starting point is 00:45:33 that make a lot of money on the way, and then the last one out is who's gonna be the most popular to beat everybody out. And here's why I'm most skeptical about it, is that what is on your plot of land or what your metaverse real estate provides as far as what you can do in it? Value is where the real value is because it's the metaverse.
Starting point is 00:45:56 So I could be in Nike land, shopping with my friends, and I was like, oh my God, this is so much fun. Let's go to Justin's house. And Justin being next door to Nike or being in a whole nother metaverse, which is infinite, is you transport instantly. If you've ever played a video game,
Starting point is 00:46:12 where you go, it doesn't matter. So this idea of location, location, location, which really matters in the real world, because if you walk out of the Nike store in San Francisco, and if Justin's house is at right next door, you're not gonna go to Justin's house because you have to drive an hour and a half in traffic to get there.
Starting point is 00:46:28 So yeah. I could see the value though being because I'm visiting this Nike land, and I'm already there, and I'm walking by your billboard or your business. So like advertising, I could see the value. So I mean, yeah, there's, yeah. Okay, so I'm trying to picture this also
Starting point is 00:46:44 from like a player one perspective. Like you know how they had like different worlds that were like themed. That's right. And so what's, what's the say? Like they're not just going to create another planet. Like you're going to go over here. So who cares about? Look up the four most popular locations in the Meta world. Meta worlds, you would say, maybe in the metaverse. And I, uh, Dysentral Land, uh, Sandbox, and then there's two other that are like the four most popular were. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:47:13 Most of those are providing real estate right now for you to purchase within it. Yes. Yeah. Now that I could see something like that, but I, I agree with you Adam, I think buying something in there and allowing all the speculation to come and raise the price of it and then getting out would be smart because first off, even if, okay, even if, yes, it's true, you own a piece of whatever property in this space that people go to. You're also betting on the fact that this particular space
Starting point is 00:47:36 is going to be really popular in five or ten years. We all know when it comes to tack and entertainment, it's always a gamble, it's still a gamble. Even if it's a great product, some other product could be much more popular. Read me the four, Doug. Crypto voxels. Decentraland. The sandbox. Yeah. Somnium space.
Starting point is 00:47:58 Now, are all these in the meta, so Facebook's sort of version of that? Because isn't like Microsoft have their own to show no So Facebook does not own the metaverse their company name is meta, which is probably why they're they're playing on that is to try and Capturing the brand exactly very very exactly like that, but they don't own the metaverse the metaverse you we can all we could create our own world We can make a mind pump world and we could you know Justin's cheese land. Yeah, you could. So they don't have, you know, they don't have like a monopoly in there whatsoever.
Starting point is 00:48:30 They're just, there's just, they're gonna be just another place in this, and it's infinite. So the, that's another reason why the real estate thing is so speculative is because like, dude, you could, you never run out of land. Nobody, nobody might want to visit Somnium space or something.
Starting point is 00:48:44 Well, and, and, you know, at one point, what will make these places, you know, desirable for people to go to is what is on your piece of land or what you can do in it. That's so cool. Yeah, so it's gonna be unique. So yeah, so you can buy this land and then you obviously need a coder to develop
Starting point is 00:49:02 because you have the right code to now develop whatever you want on it. So we buy property, then coder to develop because you have to write code to now develop whatever you want. So if we buy property, then we have to develop on it. We don't have to, you could just sit on it and then, because that's how I would, I would just sit on it, like you were saying. And I would just ride the, the, the, what if we bought a piece of land
Starting point is 00:49:15 or whatever you want to call it in this metaverse, whatever. And then on there is literally just a screen playing our podcast. I mean, it's, it's not a bad, it's not a bad idea why we're, if it wasn't that expensive to do that, really the only reason why I would do it would literally to ride the way. Yeah, it's just, you know that it's gonna get
Starting point is 00:49:35 crazier and crazier over the next year or two at least. And so it would be an end and out deal for you. Yeah, first ones in. Yeah, get in, get in one of these four popular places where everybody's buying and flipping and stuff like that, sit on it for a little bit, and then get out of it in a bucket year. Hey, I learned some cool science yesterday.
Starting point is 00:49:53 I wanted to bring up. Did you guys know that 8% of people don't get cavities. So 92% of everybody gets cavities, but there's 8% who just don't. All Italians are right. No. What? I told you, my step-brain never happened. 92% of everybody gets cavities, but there's 8% who just don't all Italians who just know No, so I never had a cavity In fact, I went to the dentist and I you know full disclosure never go to the dentist and I went and the dentist is looking at my and she's like When's the last time you came? I don't even know
Starting point is 00:50:20 Spent a long time and she's looking she goes your teeth. She goes you don't spend a long time. And she's looking, she goes, your teeth, she goes, you don't have a single cavity. Said, yeah, I don't, I just, I've never had one my whole life. And my dad's like that. And my dad grew up so poor, he didn't have a toothbrush when he was a kid at all. Literally, he tells me how he used to wake up in the morning and he would take his finger and wipe his teeth with water.
Starting point is 00:50:39 And the first time he went to a dentist, he was in his 20s because he moved to America. And the dentist did not believe that he'd never been to a dentist, never had braces and all that stuff. But I read about this and apparently it's the microbiome of the mouth that some people have a bacterial profile in the mouth that just prevents any kind of cavities from developing. What a belt. Imagine it has to help too that you have a really good diet.
Starting point is 00:51:03 Diet plays a role. Because I've been that way for most of my life. I now have a cavity and it's completely because of the rock stars. Because the acid has now eaten away at the endow on my teeth and then now stuff gets down in there and that's where the cavity is. So I read about that and yes, diet plays a role. The reason why it plays a role is because particular types of diets promote certain types of Bacterial profiles in your mouth sure and that's what causes the cat. I will sugar right?
Starting point is 00:51:30 That's like one of the biggest sugars one grains is another one So I thought that was very fascinating. I did not know that there was a percent because I know myself and I was always been kind of a Mystery because my sister my siblings are not like that my sister in particular I was wondering because I didn't really get cavities until I had really bad grinding at night with my teeth. So then it was almost like anything I ate would affect. It was more sensitive, and then it just over time, with it was rotten out.
Starting point is 00:51:56 That's just keeping your emotions inside your eyes. What I didn't know until it happened to me also, was that your cavities can heal. Yes, naturally. So I remember the last time that I had went to the dentist before this time and it was the rock stars that I was drinking back then and my dentist was like, cut him out and I cut him out by the, when I came back and visited him again, completely gone.
Starting point is 00:52:19 So I mean, it can heal too. So a lot of people think, oh, I got a cavity, you have to go get it fixed. It's like, well, if you have something that you're doing in your diet, that you know could be a major offender, you fix that, and then you can totally fix the counter. One thing that annoys me though, a little bit about dentist
Starting point is 00:52:33 is that everybody needs to get their wisdom teeth out deal. Bro, it's such a scam and hustle. I think some people, I know I'm gonna piss off Denis, right? So I always piss people off. I think some people definitely, I've never had my wisdom teeth pulled out. And every time I go, they're like, will you sure you don't want to, like for what?
Starting point is 00:52:48 Why? They work just fine. My mouth was obviously big enough to hold on my teeth. So, no argument here. No argument there. But that part annoys me a little bit. It reminds me of the tonsil thing, which now has changed. But back in the day, back in the day,
Starting point is 00:53:03 you overheated sore throats, take out the tonsils. Take them out. And now they have to like this hustle on like levels of cleaning too. So I just went and paid to get a big old cleaning cleaning. And then there's like a super deep cleaning. That's like even more crazy. And then and then it's like, of course, you know, thousand bucks or whatever. So it just keeps, we got all these little features that they can add now.
Starting point is 00:53:24 They make a ton of money. So I'm just like, I'm so skeptical. You sound like my like, I have like uncles that are like, they're conspiracy theories about anything medical. My grandfather's like this in fact, you go to the doctor and the doctor will say, you need to do this and he comes back and like, did you take, did you get the medicine?
Starting point is 00:53:39 Is it? No, they just won my money. Well, I, no, no, no, no. I tell you, I mean, I'm sharing my latest or most recent experiences, but I had this experience as a kid, because we didn't have a lot of money, so we didn't go to the dentist that often, and I remember one time going in there
Starting point is 00:53:52 and having like six cavities, and then my parents couldn't afford to fix it. So like years later, I go back and I have none. So, I mean, I've had situations like that and have multiple times with dentists where I'm getting quoted that I'm gonna need to spend thousands of dollars on my teeth, can't afford to do anything about it.
Starting point is 00:54:10 Time goes by, then I go back again and oh, you're totally fine. And then again, here I am later on in my life. Same thing happens again. Oh, you have cavities, oh, get rid of the rock source. Oh, totally healed, you're back. And so I'm just really skeptical of, you know, just okay, sign me up.
Starting point is 00:54:24 Well, there is a little bit of that. I used to train a dental surgeon and he did tell me that sometimes they will say certain things that they say you need to get done, but you really don't. And so he said, you know, make sure you have a good, you know, good dentist. I know, so that's my, the dentist I had before this one was a client and a friend of mine.
Starting point is 00:54:40 And so, yeah, and she, she was the one that told me to just cut the rock stars out for a little bit and we'll check back up on you. Where this new dentist I have is not a friend or anybody I know. And they're like, oh yeah, we could do this and then I'm on my way out. Like, oh, 1800 more bucks, we'll see you next week. I'm like, no.
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Starting point is 00:55:40 Head over to mindpumppartners.com, click on Organify, use the code MindPump for 20% off. All right, here comes the rest of the show. Our first color is Greg from New York. What's up Greg, how can we help you? Hey guys, how you doing? Good. All right. Good, thank you for taking my call and we'll be acknowledged you guys put out there for us. Yeah, good deal. How can we help you, man? All right, so 47 I had
Starting point is 00:56:05 gastric bypass surgery actually I had gastric sleeve surgery in September Down almost 90 pounds now. I've been going to the gym since as soon as I got clearance which was late October I'm just at a point now. I just want to try to build as much muscle without you know Burn as much fat without losing the muscle. That's where I could see the difference. I could see it. The arms are shrinking. Everything is shrinking.
Starting point is 00:56:30 You know, my arms are looking smaller because I'm losing so much fat. But I want to burn that muscle. But I also want to increase my cardio so I can do things like choride a bike for 40 miles if I want to. So I was trying to find the best thing. When I was training, when I was younger, it was all based on that old Arnold Schwarzenegger book, Encyclopedia Body Building and things are so much since then. Yeah, so the focus, now before you had the surgery, were you active at all?
Starting point is 00:56:59 I was fairly active. My job actually has me in the field a lot, so there are days I would, you know, go walk before, you know, work up for five story buildings. So let's talk. Let's talk about the conflicting goals first. Yeah, well, so great. So I've worked with quite a few people who've had gastric sleeve or gastric bypass procedures. So I'm on. And the weight loss is fast and furious. But the challenges, how do we? Is the psychological challenge, I should say, is I'm sorry. And the weight loss is fast and furious, but the challenge is,
Starting point is 00:57:25 how do we, is the psychological challenge, I should say, is I'm losing weight quickly, so I wanna do everything else fast as well. Don't do that. You wanna take your time, allow your body to build itself up. The most important thing you can do right now is build muscle and strength. It's more important than anything else
Starting point is 00:57:42 because the challenge is gonna be not losing muscle and not having a big metabolism slow down. So the majority of your workouts should center around strength training. Two or three days a week, full body, focus on getting stronger, train with perfect form, don't train to failure, train, of course, with appropriate, good technique, and start there.
Starting point is 00:58:05 As far as stamina is concerned, I would just stick to walking for now, and I wouldn't push the cardio until the strength and muscle start to feel quite substantial. You got to give yourself some time because what's going to happen is you're going to lose all the weight very quickly, right? So you've already lost, you said 90 pounds. Right. You're going to keep losing very fast, and that's going to make you want to kick it into gear with more and more activity. at 90 pounds, you're gonna keep losing very fast. And that's gonna make you wanna kick it into gear
Starting point is 00:58:25 with more and more activity. Well, especially in his situation, I'm sure he's very low calorie. And you're also, if you start doing something like an endurance sport, your body's just gonna pair down muscle. It's already doing that. Yeah, it's doing that already.
Starting point is 00:58:40 So you're already like a challenged client with when it comes to holding on to muscle. Greg, do you have Maps Ant a ball? I know. I don't. Okay. We're going to send that to you because that's exactly. Yeah. That's exactly what I have here. And then are you working with a nutritionist? Um, the hospital had given me one that we had to speak to, but I'm not. I was crazy about her. So I haven't been working with a nutritionist on my own now. Are you able to find another one? I was gonna look so looking around and try to find one, you know, locally that I can speak to.
Starting point is 00:59:10 Yeah, that's a good idea. I would continue working with somebody who's gonna help you with nutrition, but you need to focus on building muscle. I wouldn't focus on anything else right now and give yourself some time. The fat loss is happening quickly, but the fitness gains, the strength gains,
Starting point is 00:59:26 the body composition changes, aside from fat loss are gonna happen much slower. So don't confuse it to you, right? Don't confuse the fast weight loss with, oh my God, everything's progressing so quickly. It's not really the same thing. The quick weight loss is coming from the dramatic reduction in calories, but the fitness is gonna take some time.
Starting point is 00:59:45 If you do this right, you're gonna dramatically improve your ability to maintain these results and not get a lot of the negative effects that some people get from these types of procedures. If you try to drive it even faster with excessive cardio, lots of calorie burn, that kind of stuff, you're gonna amplify the negative side effects and increase your risk
Starting point is 01:00:05 of gaining the weight back later on. It is possible. There's another thing too, there's a big myth that, you know, getting these procedures results in permanent weight loss. It's not the case. I've seen several people gain the weight back afterwards through, you know, actually pushing these kind of bad behavior. So focus on strength and muscle. That should be your primary focus right now. And then for activity, just stick to walking. That's 100% where I would go and Adam talked about MAP Santa Ballock. That's the perfect program. Follow that one for now. Yeah, totally. Like I would do like 10 weeks or do 10 minutes on the treadmill before I work out and maybe 10, 15 minutes on the bike afterwards. So I didn't want to I don't want to put too much. I am supposed to ride a 40 mile five-barrow bike tour in May.
Starting point is 01:00:48 So I was kind of trying to get there. Do we have to do that? Yeah, why did you sign up for that? I just signed up. It was a bunch of people who were signing up together. So it was just something a goal. Hey, Greg, if you're my client, if you were my client, and you allowed me to direct you, I'd say no.
Starting point is 01:01:03 Hey, Greg, I'm going to pretend like I'm your mom right now, right? If all your friends signed up to jump off a bridge, did you do the same? Listen, don't do it, Greg. Just not now. It's not that we can't in the future. It's that what is best for you right now is like what Sal said is to completely focus on building muscle. You are going to lose body fat. That is happening. Like it is happening very fast. And you focusing on building muscle
Starting point is 01:01:30 until you get to a place where you're very content and happy with like your weight, with your muscle mass, then we can talk about setting like cardio type goals, but trying to do that while you're also trying not to lose muscle is gonna be sending a competing signal. And it's even more important with you than the average person, because I know that your calorie intake is so low,
Starting point is 01:01:50 and that's part of why the weight is coming off so fast. Yeah, don't sign up for any events, because okay, so here's something that's happening right now, Greg, and I understand this, like I said. I've gone through this myself at times, and I've also seen lots of clients go through this. Because you made the decision to get the surgery and I'm assuming that was a decision you thought out,
Starting point is 01:02:10 you was very thoughtful, right? You thought about it. Yeah, a whole time I thought about it. Exactly, you pondered it. I mean, surgery is a big decision. So you did that, you finally did it. So you made that step, you're now seeing lots of weight loss, you're in a very motivated state of mind.
Starting point is 01:02:24 And your state of mind. And your state of mind is gonna make you wanna sign up for races, marathons, bike rides, you're gonna wanna do a much of crazy stuff, fight the urge, pretend like you're in your normal state of mind. Whatever you're gonna do now is what you're gonna have to do forever. The racing is the worst possible thing
Starting point is 01:02:40 you can sign up for right now. I would stay away from all that stuff, give yourself a year or two. A slowly building body. You wanna build a body. You wanna build a body all that stuff. Give yourself a year or two. A slowly building body. You want a building body? Yeah, just focus on whatever is going to promote. It's not exactly exactly, it's just like a tour, yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:50 But yeah, here we say an instant. Doesn't matter. I mean, you're gonna, okay, when's the last time I asked you, okay, when's the last time you rode 40 miles on a bike? Probably about five years ago when I tried it once before and I made it like 30 miles before I had, yeah, fuck that Craig, you're not allowed to do that.
Starting point is 01:03:04 No, put it, put it, put it, put it, put it before I had fuck that Greg. You're not allowed to do that. No, put it put it put it put it. Put it in the forum too, Doug Greg. Are you on Facebook? Yes. Okay, do me a favor and request access to the mind pump private forum when you give you free access to that too. And I'm going to I want to keep an eye on you. I don't trust I don't trust you're not going to sign up
Starting point is 01:03:21 for some crazy shit the next year. You're going to start feeling bad. It was the only thing I had planned. Okay. Alright. And I would love to hear you check in with us. Just let us know how your progress is doing. If you comment in the forum, you tag one of us or all of us, we'll make sure we see the
Starting point is 01:03:36 post, we'll interact with you and any help that we can give you along your path. I really want to keep an eye on you as you go through this because I know, I like Sal, I've trained a lot of clients and this is all three of us have because we all worked at a gym that was directly across from a place that did these surgeries. So very, very familiar with training clients in your case and would just want to help you out as much as we can. And by the way, with Maps and a Ballack, there's a pre-phase. I want you to do the pre-phase for about three or four months before you move to phase one, okay?
Starting point is 01:04:03 Okay. Yeah, but I know this is just the tool and it's not something that's guy. I know it can come back. I have that mindset. So I know this is just the tool to help me get where I need to be. So but I appreciate all the help and all the tools you guys are going to help you. That's right. Yeah, and congratulations, man.
Starting point is 01:04:20 You're already doing a great job, but you know, just all you got to do is temper yourself, be kind to yourself and think of like you're building a really good house and it starts with a really good foundation. Think long term now. Right, right. All right. All right, great. Thanks for calling him.
Starting point is 01:04:37 We'll see you in the forum, brother. It's our T-Sync. All right. I'm just gonna guess, because his name is Greg and his accent, he's a tie-in. I'm gonna say that right now. At least from what's that? New York, yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:47 You can tell you can appreciate me cussing out of me. Don't say that. Yeah, you can get in the real deal. That's why I told him, I said I'm gonna be like your mom, because I know you listen to your mom right. No, you know, it's tough about this is like, once you finally make that decision and you see this stuff happening, you want to jump on everything.
Starting point is 01:05:02 And so it makes sense that he signed up for a 40 mile ride and it makes sense that he's like, I want to do everything possible to make this happen even faster. You've seen all this progress, I mean, it is motivating, but yeah, to be able to pull yourself back and just try and restore and build the body right now, that's everything. We didn't address this part either
Starting point is 01:05:18 because it didn't come up as a concern from him, but this does become a concern whether it's now or later, is when you lose that much, the loose skin, one of the things that will mitigate how much loose skin, it's inevitable you're going to because you drop so fast, but building muscle right now and focused on that, it'll definitely help.
Starting point is 01:05:37 It'll help versus if you were to get on cardio and lose even faster than what you're already losing, then your loose skin is gonna accelerate. It's right, even worse, right? Yeah, losing, then your, your, the loose scan is gonna accelerate. It's right, even worse, right? Yeah, yeah, totally. But yeah, building is because, the other thing to consider with something like this is nutrient deficiencies,
Starting point is 01:05:53 your body's absorbing nutrients. Differentally, supplementation becomes more important. So I'm glad you brought up the dietician because that's very important because you can lose lots of weight, but you're now unabsorbing nutrients the way you were before, and you often see nutrient deficiencies as a result.
Starting point is 01:06:08 Our next caller is James from Pennsylvania. What's up, James? How can we help you? Hey, guys. First, I wanted to thank you all for taking my call. So I have a couple of questions. I'm sure they're not unique to me that I fall into a category of people that all have the same thing they're dealing with. So I've been relatively athletic my whole life. I started rustling seventh grade or so.
Starting point is 01:06:34 I've been weightlifting for about 25 years. I spent most of my life in public service. I spent six years in the Marine Corps, and I'm currently in law enforcement. So my fitness goals have been primarily performance driven. I've done very little to focus on aesthetics or anything else like that. And then on top of that, I do jujitsu. And I know that Sal is a purple belt and he's got a background in this as well.
Starting point is 01:07:04 I knew it was gonna come up, so I thought I'd do up. So I thought I'd get that out of the way. Yeah, James. You said it first. Adam and Justin are white belts. So, so I'm trying to do DJ J about two to three times a week because for, for my work, I find it to be something that's really imperative for managing stress of physical conflict when I'm trying to take somebody in the custody that doesn't really want to be. And, you know, those skills and stress management have helped me a lot. So, to me, it's more than just a hobby. It's something that's really important to, you know, my longevity in the career and the people I serve. So that's kind of my big rock that I'm focusing on right now. So what I'm looking for is I'm trying to figure out my approach
Starting point is 01:07:52 for continuing fitness training to supplement, to supplement my work. Because for me, it's all about performance and what it looks like. It's go, it's all about performance and what it looks like. It's go, it's go, not show. Then on top of that, my wife and I do a lot of hiking and backpacking, and we're going to the Grand Canyon a couple of months and we're going to hike out there for a week. So I need to keep up my stamina and my endurance and all those things as well.
Starting point is 01:08:23 So I just wanted to get your take on it and see what you think. Yeah, no good. But first off, I want to thank you for your service. We really appreciate law enforcement. I appreciate that. Yeah, no problem. OK, so jujitsu two to three days a week, right?
Starting point is 01:08:36 That's my goal. OK, if you're doing jujitsu two days a week, you can probably get away with two days a week of resistance training. If you're doing three days a week, it would be one day a week of resistance training. It's a trap. We tend to fall into where we want to be able to work out all the time. I know how demanding you Jiu-Jitsu is. I'm assuming your classes are probably two to two and a half hours long. Is that correct?
Starting point is 01:08:59 No, so these classes, they're roughly an hour and a half. How long is the sparring session? The sparring session? Usually, yeah, usually 20 to 30 minutes at the end. Okay, that's not too, too bad. I still stick to what I say. I'd go, if you're doing three days a week, you could just do one day a week of resistance training
Starting point is 01:09:15 or two days a week, too. So four days a week total of structured exercise. As far as your workouts are concerned, you can keep it really basic and focus on four or five traditional exercises or maps performance, the workouts and maps performance would be very complementing. That's where I was in a push. Maps performance and then if you were going to add any more to it, it would be some of the mobility days.
Starting point is 01:09:37 I think would compliment what he's doing phenomenal. Yeah, I think you'd be perfect doing that because I know you just would be really demanding again. I think sometimes we're tempted to throw more workouts on it I took me a while to learn this lesson. I was in my 20s And I had to really scale back on my strength training in order to really improve my performance in Jiu Jitsu I was just doing too much, but yeah You can work if you don't have mass performance will send it to you and what you got it
Starting point is 01:10:01 I appreciate that. Oh perfect go and so pick the foundational workouts in there and use those as your workouts. And the mobility sessions you could do every day if you want. Yeah, I really think that performance is your hub. And so based on what your performance goals are and keeping up with all the movement and all the strength and demands, like if I were to stack this out and put it together, it'd be like mass performance,
Starting point is 01:10:25 we'd go into like something like an anabolic or even aesthetic and then go into strong and then sort of repeat that cycle is something that I would probably, you could almost do that as more of a focus on performance or even, I don't know what you guys think of that. He could be a power lift. I would leave him indefinitely in performance
Starting point is 01:10:43 with these goals. His goal is primarily related to performance, his job, and BJJ. So to me, that would be the center. And then performance is really to compliment what he's doing. And so to me, it really looks like mass performance ran over and over right now, either one to two days a week.
Starting point is 01:10:59 And I would just, and I would dictate one to two days a week based off of the volume of either your Gijitsu and or whatever you're doing, like if you're doing hikes. Like let's say it's a week, and maybe you only get to BJJ one time that week. Okay, well then, you know, maybe we do two times of performance that week, and then in a mobility day or something, or let's say it's a high volume day
Starting point is 01:11:21 of, or a week of BJJ, and you do three times that week, and it was intense, and maybe you also did like a hike with your wife on the weekend, I mean, I'm only gonna let you do performance one time that week. So you have the ability to kind of mold it around what else you're doing, but it would bounce between either one day a week or two days a week, and do your best to be objective with yourself
Starting point is 01:11:42 and go like, okay, did I, am I overreaching a little bit or am I giving my body just what needs? And what you should see is really good progress in the gym and let that be your guiding star. If you see yourself regressing in weight and you've been consistent with your training and eating, maybe you're doing too much. So you can kind of play with that back and forth
Starting point is 01:12:05 between the one to two days, a week based off of what you're seeing as far as you're returning. Well, Justin brought up Map Strong. You know, Map Strong would actually be really good for Jiu-Jitsu as well. Do you have Map Strong? I wanna give you something for free. Do you have Map Strong?
Starting point is 01:12:17 I do, unfortunately, I got like all of your guys stuff. I appreciate it, though. That's not even that. That's not even unfortunate about that. Well, we want to draw it out for like a year. I see. Well, yeah, so that's part of my problem. It's not even that's a good fortune about it. Well, we want to draw it out for like a year. Yeah, a year. So, and that's part of my problem. It's like I look at everything.
Starting point is 01:12:29 I'm like, yeah, that's it. No, that's what I want to do. And I get a little ADD on my programming. And then on top of that, I have a little bit of like body dysmorphia. So I'm never quite where I want to be. So I'm struggling a little bit. Yeah, and this is strong and performance will both be good.
Starting point is 01:12:44 And you know, here's a thing too, with the training that you're doing. You gotta think there's two things I want you to consider. I want you to A, consider, am I able to do my job while I'm training this way? Okay, because you know that your job is probably made up of a lot of boring and then every once in a while, real intense, hard, physical shit, right?
Starting point is 01:13:04 Exactly. So what you don't wanna do is push yourself to the limit. So if you were a while, real intense, hard, physical shit. Right exactly. So what you don't wanna do is push yourself to the limit. So if you were a Jiu-Jitsu athlete, you could push yourself to the limit all the time because then the rest of the day, you're sitting at a desk on a computer or something. But you don't have that capability. You gotta keep yourself safe.
Starting point is 01:13:17 So think to yourself, can I also do my job while I'm doing this training, weekend and week out? So that's number one. And then number two, consider that this is long term because you might be able to get away with, more resistance training and more jujitsu all at once, but you're not gonna be able to get away with that for that long.
Starting point is 01:13:35 And you might be able to tolerate it, but that doesn't mean it's ideal for you. So, look at that, that's why I said to you, if you do jujitsu three days a week, you're only gonna lift once. You might be able to do more, but I don't think it'll put you in a good position for your daily work, nor will it be a good long-term approach. Yeah, just monitor that and scale your volume accordingly,
Starting point is 01:13:53 based on how your body responds and gives you feedback. Not to mention your main goal is performance, and I'll tell you right now, if you're doing Jiu Jitsu three times a week and doing a foundational day or two a week and you're going to be fit, you're going to be strong, you're going to be able to perform just like you want. So if that's what your goal is, I think you can achieve that through that. And here's the thing too.
Starting point is 01:14:12 So now that I know you have all the programs, you're obviously familiar with the stuff that we talk about, although we recommend everybody go through all the programs exactly how we written so you can experience it, we've always encouraged people to be able to be all of them all. There is nothing that says you can't run one day a week of performance for a few months, and then you run strong for a month or two, and if there's certain workouts in there or movements, I love strong because there's things like the circus press that I really like, and exercises that we haven't programmed in other programs. Yeah, snatch grip dead lives. There's some neat movements that I like. There's nothing that that says you can't kind of bounce between those and you can
Starting point is 01:14:54 do that. Like we wrote them for people so they don't have to do that. But if you feel confident in your ability to kind of read like how you're pushing yourself, you could absolutely interchange some of those workouts if you want to follow one of them for a couple of weeks or a month and then switch to another program. James, I also noticed in our question, in the question that you wrote and sent into us that you talked about beyond TRT, do you mind if I ask you a few questions about that?
Starting point is 01:15:19 Yeah, yeah, go ahead. Now, how long have you been doing that? So that's been about a year. So what happened with me was I was working in an area that was relatively high crime, a lot of violence and nonsense like that. And I found myself getting like these little mini depressions, low energy, and all of the indicators of low T, but I just attributed it to my time in the military or the nonsense I was dealing with.
Starting point is 01:15:50 I'm like, well, this just just must be how I'm dealing with it. And I was listening to you guys and I was like, you know what, maybe it's worth just getting checked. So my testosterone was down below 400. And you know, so it's been a body, been a body year now, since I've, I've been on a TRT therapy. And it's been a game changer, an absolute game changer. Yeah. No, it totally is. I had the same experience. So what I was going to recommend is this because I've seen, you know, before we started working with the people at MPHormones.com,
Starting point is 01:16:27 we were courted by a lot of these therapy clinics, and I was shocked at the difference in how some would treat versus others. And one of the main reasons why we chose MPHormones was because they were not afraid to prescribe more testosterone or even human grade prescription Annabalox to people who might benefit from them because there's a lot of the the you know the old propaganda Right that we got when Annabalox steroids became you know like marijuana became part of kind of you know
Starting point is 01:17:00 Public enemy number one type of deal so so, and here's where I think higher doses of testosterone and or antibiotics may be a value. Number one, based off of field, some people feel better so long as all the numbers come back okay, they feel better with higher doses. And then number two, people whose lives and jobs require more physical capabilities and more resilience, right? So as a law enforcement officer, you fall in that category.
Starting point is 01:17:29 So if you're interested, you could go to MPHormos.com, you could set up an appointment, have them evaluate what you're doing, and then see if there's anything different. Because like I said, I have some friends now who've done this who are in similar positions to you, and they've added a little bit of like Nandro loan, for example, very low dose, but I love to keep the joints feeling good
Starting point is 01:17:47 and they have better performance. Now if you're sitting at a desk all day long, probably not that big of a deal, but if you're doing what you're doing and every once in a while, it's life or death, this is where I think going with somebody who's not afraid to prescribe a little more might be a good idea. I'll check it out.
Starting point is 01:18:03 All right, thanks to Colin and James, I appreciate it. Hey, thank you guys, I appreciate your time. No problem, all right. Yeah, you know, when I did you Jetsu, I totally underestimated its effects on my recovery. Like I thought, oh yeah. Oh, I could keep lifting. It's for the ending, dude.
Starting point is 01:18:19 It's like, because you know, when you're, first of all, if you've ever wrestled with someone full speed for five minutes, you're dead, right? So he said 30 minutes. That'll go half speed at all. Like you know, when you're, first of all, if you've ever wrestled with someone full speed for five minutes, you're dead, right? So he said 30 minutes. That'll go half speed at all. Like you know, 100% and there's a thing about that discipline. Itches, you gotta consider that
Starting point is 01:18:33 in terms of your recovery ability. It's very demanding and I was just lifting too much. It took me a while to figure out, like I gotta do less. And then when I did less, I'd got stronger and I felt better. So it wasn't like I did less and got less, but I got better results as a result of it. And a lot of people who do this kind of training,
Starting point is 01:18:49 they wanna do everything all at once. And it doesn't work out better that way. Strength training, one of the beauties of it is that you don't need to do a lot of it to get great results from it. As long as you send the signal, you're gonna get some strength and muscle from it. And for some people, depending on what they're doing,
Starting point is 01:19:05 once a week is plenty, you know? That's interesting. I keep looking at our base three, you know, programs, our aesthetic and anabolic and performance. And it's like, it's really, you can identify almost anybody into like very much one of those is gonna speak to them the loudest. And that's like your hub, that's your homeostasis.
Starting point is 01:19:24 And then you can branch out a bit, based on what your body wants to experience and kind of stretch the capacity. But for him, it's very much, it speaks, maps performance is really going to help them out. The biggest challenge he's going to have, and I love that Sal said it, and I'm just going to reiterate it
Starting point is 01:19:40 because the idea of doing what you can tolerate versus what's best for you is where he'll have the biggest challenge. I mean, because somebody like this who's got the discipline that he has, the consistency, he may feel like, oh, I could easily do two days or three days. And I can handle it. Yeah, and he probably would.
Starting point is 01:19:59 He'd probably do it and be fine and be okay. But understanding that doing what your body can tolerate and doing what is optimal for are two different things. And I think, you know, learning to dance, I think will be the greatest challenge for him of being objective and going like, okay, I know I'm doing two times a week and I'm okay, but am I, is this what's optimal? And if I were to scale back to one, would I see even better performance and feel even better at my job? That's, I think that's, I mean, that's taking me years and years
Starting point is 01:20:31 and I still feel like I'm always trying to work that out. So that'll be his biggest challenge. Next caller is Nathan from Iowa. What's up Nathan, that can we help you? Oh, not too much. I just wanna start by, I appreciate being able to hear people talk about fitness and his bullshit with each other. I don't get a chance to do that too often
Starting point is 01:20:52 so it's nice to be able to hear that. Plus, you know, a lot of the stuff you guys talk about has helped me kind of reframe how I approach programming because I work with a lot of people who have a whole bunch of issues. So it helps having a different mindset than just kind of what you learn in school and through the certifications and stuff like that. So I really appreciate it. And I also want to add my appreciated, the story you were saying on Christmas Eve podcast when you're talking about how you can't ever find anything. I mean, you think your your wife moves it around and puts it in the crazy place because
Starting point is 01:21:36 it happens to me all the time. And I thought I was going crazy. So it's not a lot of love. You evolved. I'm not equally one. We evolved from hunters. That's that's it. That's my excuse. Sorry, honey. I'm a hunter. That's right. Always an explanation I'll give that a shout. We'll see if we'll see if I don't tell her that That's just between us. Okay, awesome. Let's hear it. What do you got going on? so
Starting point is 01:22:02 Like I think the biggest issue I'm dealing with right now is I really want to get into strength training because it's not something I've ever really focused on too much because I hurt myself a few years back and it's kind of bad and so it's always been kind of in the back of my mind so I've been keeping it light but then I decided, you know, I got to get over that. I got to start strength training, but I noticed that my serratus interior, like I can't get it to activate,
Starting point is 01:22:31 and it's causing like pretty bad scapular winging, so I don't wanna start strength training or anything like that, so I definitely get that fixed, and I don't know, I've tried a whole bunch of stuff. I even went and got a certification and corrective exercise but Still haven't been able to figure out what I'm doing wrong Do you is it both sides or is it just one side?
Starting point is 01:22:56 No, it's both sides. Yeah, okay. No, you know previous injury. There's nothing like a like a nerve issue or anything like that right? No, and then when do you get the winging? Is it when you do things like pushups or presses? I noticed it mainly during presses because I didn't feel it before and I just happened I was doing some some cable presses and I glanced in the mirror and then I was like holy shit. Yeah. How far they were they were sticking out and yeah so so I've been trying to fix it since but yeah
Starting point is 01:23:25 This yeah, I'm gonna be honest with you Nathan. I had a few this I had a few con this is one of the harder things to correct It sounds silly But it's true and it's because getting the scapula to do what you want people are so It's like teaching a front-latch spread, you know bodybuilder posts as someone who's never done it before It's a weird thing to do to get your to get your scapula to go from winging to spreading out, which is kind of what you wanted to do. There's a couple exercises that I've seen that work pretty well for this. There's a scapula push up you could do.
Starting point is 01:23:56 And you might want to do this elevated or even on a wall where you have your arms extended. You allow your shoulder blades to come together. And then your goal is to push your body away. Your arms are straight the whole time, right? Yeah, exactly, without bending your elbows. Yeah, so without bending your elbow, and what you're doing is you're bringing the shoulders forward and bringing everything forward and then letting them pinch back.
Starting point is 01:24:13 That might help you activate. Then you can also try like dumbbell pullovers or straight arm pull downs. Now it's not directly working the serratus, but it will help stabilize. So you could try that as well. And those are the two movements that I've had the best success with.
Starting point is 01:24:29 I would, with people. I would prime that with hand-covered rotation first. So I would do hand-covered rotation and then I would go into those movements I think would be an ideal way to get them into that. One of the hardest things to teach the, I don't even know what you call the pushup where you're talking about.
Starting point is 01:24:45 Is it the push up plus? Yeah, what's what Sal was talking about? I don't know what is it. What do we do? Scabular push up push up push up. Yeah, so it's arms are just extending. Yeah, and it's I think if someone hasn't got connected to be able to articulate that as a harder. So I love handcuff with rotation first to get to get. I was going to say something similar. And it was more around like a scapular circles and, you know, doing like more of a kin stretch
Starting point is 01:25:11 with that. So trying to really intensify like isometric contraction while, you know, taking it through the full range of motions. So elevating it, depressing it, you know, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and and, and and, and and, and and, and and, and and and, and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and, retracting it, and just doing those circles nice and slow and cadence and really squeezing intensively to be able to really try to get some near muscular connection. Yeah, so the best success I ever had was
Starting point is 01:25:37 with focusing on movement and not the muscle, which is different than what I would do with other corrective issues. So when you're doing the scapular push up, start with the wall. Okay, don't do it on the floor. Start with your hands on the wall and your feet are out away from you. So you're kind of leaning up against the wall a little bit with your arms straight. And then with your arms totally straight, see how far you could push your back
Starting point is 01:25:57 away from the wall. You're mid back. Like you're rounding and pushing forward as far as you can. And then bring your body close as you can to the wall with your arms totally straight. That was the best success I had with getting people to connect to the movement. When I tried to get people to really focus on the shoulder blade and the surrogate,
Starting point is 01:26:13 I was like, did not work. It's just because it's such a weird muscle, we definitely don't connect to it like we would with other muscles. So that was the best thing that I ever got. What's your prime pro? Yeah, he does, he does. You said you had prime pro Nathan?
Starting point is 01:26:28 Yeah, and the regular prime. Are you, have you done the hand cup with rotation? No, not yet. I've been doing like the wall circles and like the prone cobra and pulling that shoulder blade. You've got to do hand cover rotation. Do that, do that. In fact, I would spend a lot of my time doing that,
Starting point is 01:26:49 even before after working out, I'm talking about just watching TV, hop down, do that movement. I think that's, I think that personally, that's one of the things that will benefit you the most. And then I would go into what Salis thinks. So I would start with hand cover rotation and then I would go into the movement that Salisced, talking about whether you do it off the wall or off the floor. What's your
Starting point is 01:27:09 day look like? Like at work and stuff like that? Are you in a seated position all day long or what do you got going on there? It varies typically among my feet. Okay. Yeah. You know the challenge is that you can do a lot of movements without protracting the scapula. So because you're not looking, the issue isn't retracting the scapula. The issue is protracting it and the issue is maybe even elevating it. So we want to do movements that force you to do, protracting and elevating. And handcuffer rotations might do it, but you might be able to go through,
Starting point is 01:27:42 and it wouldn't look good, but you might be able to go through the motion with a wing scapula. You couldn't do it. Here's another movement, Nathan, try this. Try holding a barbell or dumbbells overhead, so completely overhead, arm straight, and then shred your shoulders, and then shred your shoulders, and then let them come down.
Starting point is 01:27:58 And then shred your shoulders, and then let them come down. Like, you want to do movements that force that position or that movement, and stop focusing so much on connecting because the serratus is one of those strange muscles that even if you connected to you wouldn't necessarily notice unless you had a really, really good well-developed serratus. But like I said with the wall push, the wall scapular press, you're literally
Starting point is 01:28:20 just, you're extending your arm, you're just, you're trying to get your upper mid back away from the wall as far as you possibly can and then you're allowing just, you're extending your, you're just, you're trying to get your upper mid back away from the wall as far as you possibly can, and then you're allowing, and then you're trying to bring your chest to the wall as much as you can, while maintaining straight arms. Does that make sense the way I'm explaining it? Yeah, yeah, I know it's starting,
Starting point is 01:28:36 but yeah, I can take your to my mind. Yeah, give that a shot and, you know, see how everything feels, notice if there's a difference between the shoulders. Oh yeah, definitely, because like something I've tried before is similar to what you're talking about, but instead of like shrugging up,
Starting point is 01:28:52 I just like hold it and do like it. I so metric hold there trying to get it to activate and it's hit and miss sometimes. Yeah, forget trying to feel and activate it. Just focus on the movement that you're trying to get first. Then you'll start to connect to it afterwards. And should I wait till it's like completely, you know, like I don't have scapular winging before moving
Starting point is 01:29:16 into like strength training or is there? Not necessarily. Just you would, if you are going to strength train, you would, you would really focus on what Sal said is the movement don't get cut up and Wait and reps and trying to really load like you are trying to make the movement like you you mentioned Seeing yourself the reflection of mirror and seeing you wing so bad Whatever that weight was you were doing I would cut it in half at that moment and then you really try and get you to get into good posture while you know I'm just remembering right now. I literally had a client years ago,
Starting point is 01:29:46 this was the most frustrating thing ever, and I could not figure out how to get her to get protractor. So you know what I finally did, Nathan, is I had her sit on a row machine. So her chest was supported by the pad. She's holding the handles like she's gonna do a row. We did a row, so we were able to squeeze the shoulder blades black.
Starting point is 01:30:04 Then I let, I told her I said, let the handles pull you as far forward as you possibly can. And so what happened is it pulled her forward, she rounded her back, her shoulders came forward. And then I said, now hold that position. I'm going to take the handles from you. I took the handles and then she was in that position. And I said, okay, now what I want you to do and I had her put her palms out is I pushed on her hands and had her resist and hold that position. I literally had to have weight Forcer in that position before having to activate does that does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, okay. There you go You know the thing you can try so yeah, thanks for calling in
Starting point is 01:30:35 Thank you. No problem I'll tell you what dude when it comes to correction exercise That's one of the hardest difficult. This was a nemesis. You don't, so you don't like hand cuff with the rotation in this situation. You know why? Because I literally worked with a lady who she had nerve damage that she was preparing, coming from. And I actually worked with a physical therapist,
Starting point is 01:30:53 and we did all kinds of shit. And you would be surprised how much stuff you could do with a winging scapula. And finally, and finally, literally, what I said is what I did. I had her hold on and it pulled her shoulders because I could not get her to protract. Then I had the weight pull her forward.
Starting point is 01:31:07 And I said, all right, like go the way. And then she held that position. And then she was trying to use the hardest. That it's like spreading the wings, right? I love the seated, and I didn't even know how we would explain that to him. You did the best I think we can because that is a movement I love to do with this person too,
Starting point is 01:31:22 is it getting the seated row position and just practice the, almost like the lap pose, like you're saying. But that's, I boy, that's hard to tell someone to get them to do it, but if I was there, what's the training? I'm just thinking of like a medicine ball or something like hugging and squeezing it.
Starting point is 01:31:37 And really the idea is like, obviously, if you're holding a weight that's pulling you forward or hugging something, the resistance is where you're trying to pull back. We need to give them resistance to pull forward, but sometimes they can't get in that position, so it's like assisted. I even put my hands on this woman's shoulder blades
Starting point is 01:31:54 and push them forward to get her to get in that position, and then I just told her to hold it. You know how hard it was just for her to hold it? It was like a six month process, but we finally got it to work. So whenever I hear this, I'm like, I get chills. Oh, this is my name is Sam. This is my name is this is my name is this is our next caller is John from Connecticut. What's up, John? How can I help you? Hey, Sal. How's it going? What's up, man?
Starting point is 01:32:15 So first off, just thank you guys for having me on here. So kind of a new podcast for me. I'm kind of a podcast junkie, but you guys are awesome. And I'm a relatively new listener, but I'm kind of a podcast junky, but you guys are awesome. And I'm a relatively new listener, but I haven't missed an episode. So thanks for all the content and keep doing what you're doing. Perfect, glad to have you.
Starting point is 01:32:35 So thanks for taking my question. It kind of relates to golf specific exercises. And I just wanted to give you guys some context and background before I asked my question. So I'm 31 years old now and the past few years I'm kind of recovering from what you guys have been talking about on some recent podcasts as far as a cortisol junkie doing way too much cardio to try and stay in shape and really regretting the neglecting the weights. So now I'm back on with like kind of a three by three, splitting up the week and getting back into the weight. So I'm happy with that.
Starting point is 01:33:18 And now with golf season right around the corner, I'm interested in adding some golf specific exercises into my routine. So I was wondering what you guys thought about, you know, focusing on specific body parts or adding specific exercises or stretching to my routine to gear up for golf season. John, this is a good question for a couple reasons. One, the golf swing has got to be one of the most complicated, I guess, physical feats in any sport. I'm sure I don't need to tell you that. And it's unintuitive.
Starting point is 01:33:51 Yeah, and then the second part, and again, I'm sure I don't need to tell you this, but the vast majority of the distance you're gonna get on the ball comes from your technique. Very little comes from your actual physical strength, which I'm sure you, I mean, physical strength contributes, but it's about the technique of hitting the ball, the speed and how you're able to transfer the power that you do generate from the ground.
Starting point is 01:34:14 Again, I know I don't need to tell you that, but I want to say that because there's other people listening. And just getting stronger isn't going to make you hit the ball further, especially if getting stronger results in your technique being off a little bit. And you can do this by building a lot of muscle, so you can build a lot of muscle, and now your body's built a little differently. It throws off your swing, and although you're stronger, you're not hitting any further. And so it's like, you know, what did I do this for? Okay, so now that we understand that, what's gonna help you most with the power from a physical, you know, power perspective, I think we need to focus first on where you think
Starting point is 01:34:52 you're weakest. Now, I know it's the obvious general answer would be to strengthen your core to do rotation exercises, like cable chops, upward chops, downward chops, windmills, that kind of stuff, that's kind of obvious. like cable chops, upward chops, downward chops, windmills, that kind of stuff that's kind of obvious. But I've worked with people who, you know, want to do the same thing you want to do.
Starting point is 01:35:12 And we got their hips stronger. And that's what did it for them because their lower body was weaker. Do you know what areas your body are probably the weakest or areas you probably need to focus on? Yeah, I mean, I think it's mostly core and lower body, which is basically the foundation of the golf swing.
Starting point is 01:35:30 So I'm wondering, you know, maybe I just need to really hone in on those body parts and strengthen those the most. Yeah. And the skills and everything will translate over and not diminish. And I'll just have that much more strength in those areas. Yeah, you know what would probably be good, John, is using the sled, driving forward, backwards, and laterally. Because it connects everything from the toes
Starting point is 01:35:58 up to the hips and the upper body, involves the upper body. So you're gonna get a lot of strength translated all the way through. Of course, you know, barbell squats and lunges and stuff like that will make you stronger might help as well. But I see the sled being a little bit more transferable in terms of lower body for the golf swing.
Starting point is 01:36:15 I like to defer to people that are better at this than myself or I think any of us in here. Not that I couldn't help you if you were a client, but I mean, there's somebody out there that's way better and more qualified to help you than myself. And there's a group of guys that I follow on Instagram. We've actually had him on the show or on the YouTube channel before,
Starting point is 01:36:36 and they specialized golf, baseball, and fighters. Yeah, they're awesome. Brandon is Instagram handle, is Brandon, PFS. So look up their group, like his whole entire Instagram is like dedicated. He's been working a lot, he's the, we did a video with him, series in here. Yeah, did we do it?
Starting point is 01:36:54 Was it golf related to? Yeah, I think it was, right? So if you go to our YouTube channel, just put mine pump golf swing or mine pump Brandon PFS, we look at it. Let's go to the show notes and just put mind pump golf swing or mind pump brand in PFS, we look at it. Let's go to the show notes and it'll be there. Oh, perfect. Thank you.
Starting point is 01:37:10 Awesome. Yeah, we'll link in the show notes. But look them up. They specialize in primarily those three sports. You will see that he's, what's the name of the kid with the kind of clown hair that's a badass fighter right now? Sugar. Sugar, sugar shame sugar, shame.
Starting point is 01:37:26 Yeah, so he works with him. So a lot of his current stuff you'll see is kind of related to fighting, but if you go deep enough on his stuff, if you look up, he's got programming, he's got a lot of stuff around, and content around golf, baseball, and fighting. And I just, the information that he's providing
Starting point is 01:37:42 as far as cool, unique exercises that will translate to the golf course He's got it in terms of our stuff and what we have available already to like in mass performance We have you know some really good stick mobility Exercises that will help to you know improve you know lateral line in in in terms of like thoracic rotation Things that it'll help to kind of guide your body and put in positions where you can create and create more torque in that rotation. And so that's something to consider.
Starting point is 01:38:14 And that's why I mentioned too with windmills because not a lot of people spending kind of focus or time on windmills, but it really does contribute well towards these types of sports. The hip-hinging pattern is an essential part of that whole swing, so to be able to strengthen the hips and put some emphasis there, I like personally, zircher squats for golfers as well, the way it's loaded loaded in the crack of your elbows. And I think that those are just some great things to focus on just to strengthen and contribute towards that.
Starting point is 01:38:51 Thanks Doug. Sugar Sean, not Sugar Shane. It's sugar. Yeah, it was no archer. Oh, Malley, Sean O'Malley. Yeah, Sean O'Malley, thank you. Okay. So he works, he has been working with him for actually years. Imagine their friends or whatever, but so the point of me telling you that was that his
Starting point is 01:39:07 page looks like it's geared towards all fighters, but they, we actually met them and got connected them because we just en route a, actually a golf guide. Yeah. So there's, it's like an infographic shows all these exercises that are very helpful, you know, for gaining mobility and speed and it's on our my own. My pump free dot com. Oh, yeah, there you go. So my pump free dot com.
Starting point is 01:39:30 So my pump free dot com. There you go. There's a guide that's related that we did. So what inspired us to get hooked up with Brandon was Justin was writing a guide specific for golfers, some priming movements and stuff that will benefit you. And that let us down the kind of the rabbit hole the rabbit hole of, who's in our space that's doing this, that we think is doing it better than we are. And then that's why we invited Brandon. So dig to their stuff. I think that they've got great content that will support what we're saying.
Starting point is 01:39:57 Yeah, that's awesome, guys. I appreciate it. One of the big things about golf too is just avoiding injury and maintaining the flexibility and mobility in some of those joints. So this is not just getting stronger and stuff like that because that can almost change things like Sal was saying in terms of your swing. But as long as I can avoid injury in my oblique area, in my lower back and kind of get ahead of any issues lingering or potential problem areas.
Starting point is 01:40:27 That's kind of where we come from, right? So that's, you know, the stuff that we have out there is more to bolster and to protect. You, it's there's- Let's pull-proof your back and- Yeah, so- So the content that isn't that free-guide, that's going to be a value along those lines. If you wanted more specific exercises in the gym that translate to the golf swing, I think that's where you're going to enjoy some of the stuff that Brandon's putting out over there.
Starting point is 01:40:53 But the stuff in that free guide that we have and then stuff that's in maps performance, I think will benefit you, especially with Justin who's talking about with the stick mobility, some isometric work that we have, like those things are gonna kind of bulletproof you and protect you and you're right. Like that's gonna benefit you more for your golf swing more than anything else. You need free flow movement, needs to be smooth and no hitch in that at all.
Starting point is 01:41:16 So like yeah, mobility is at the utmost importance, you know, overall in terms of like even just trying to get stronger. Okay, great. On top of that, is there one other thing I could ask in terms of like general weight lifting and resistance training to kind of intertwine with cardio at this point? True. Sure.
Starting point is 01:41:37 So like right now, like I told you, I was just kind of addicted to cardio for a few years and I regret it. told you I was just kind of addicted to cardio for a few years and I regret it. But I've been trying to do and commit to three days of full body workouts and three days of cardio because I just enjoy cardio for the mental aspects and just getting a sweat in helps with everything. So how would you guys recommend doing cardio to a point where you're not overdoing it and sending your body mixed signals and diminishing the returns and the results and gains you're getting on those foundational workout type days.
Starting point is 01:42:15 Be fed, keep it under an hour and do it on different times than when your workout work out. Also, you just said that the main reason why you do it is the mental benefits so Who cares do do it do what you love? I mean you can follow what Adam said Well, yeah, that's the objective physical answer, but if you do it for your mental effects and you enjoy it Then just do what you love and just make sure you don't know if you won't enjoy it if it's diminishing his return Sure, there's other stuff. So that's how you that's how you like obviously We would probably recommend you, that's not a high priority if you want to be great at golf, but if you, for what's sour saying,
Starting point is 01:42:50 if you enjoy for the benefits, yeah, keep doing it, but there's a better way to do it. So you don't, you know, and that would be scheduling it away from when you're way training, keep it under an hour, and, you know, give your, make sure you're fed. Those things will probably help the most as far as mitigating any sort of muscle loss or at hindering anything else you're trying to do. And keeping it under an hour, but maybe gearing it more towards like a high intensity
Starting point is 01:43:17 would help with the like shredding body fat. The higher the intensity of the shorter it should be, but don't, okay, do not do cardio to burn body fat. The cardio is for stamina or endurance or cause you enjoy it, you wanna get leaner, look at your diet. Okay, it's a tip. Yeah, it's a much, much more effective approach.
Starting point is 01:43:35 Yes. Okay. Great. Thanks, John. Thanks for calling him. Yeah, thank you guys. Thank you very much. Keep doing what you're doing. Yeah, you know, I remember as a young trainer,
Starting point is 01:43:44 I did not realize just how complex, you know, improving power and strength so that you see a positive result in a sport was. I thought you get stronger. Well, you're gonna see it now. This is the trap where you see a lot of young trainers myself included where you just start trying to emulate those swings and things with cables,
Starting point is 01:44:05 swings with... Yeah, yeah. ...cattlebell, swings with, you know, and you think you're doing them a service because now we're adding load to that. It literally has no carryover, no trans... No. ...this is translated, all in fact it actually ruins... It froze off your technique! Yes, so, yeah, so in terms of something, it's complicated as a golf swing. The best thing you can do is keep your joints super healthy and responsive. And the other thing to consider too is that when you're, it's such a complex movement
Starting point is 01:44:35 and you get so good at the body shape and size you have with the complex movement, adding muscle to your body, you now change one factor. The recruitment pattern shifts. And your bigger, your arms are in a different position. You know, you add a half an inch to your arms and you now change one factor. The recruitment pattern shifts. And you're bigger. Your arms are in a different position. You know, you add a half an inch to your arms and they're in a different position they were before. And it'll change the technique.
Starting point is 01:44:51 Especially with golf. No, with golf more than almost anything else. Yes, it it, it, it, it, it, it. Now if it's a sport like football, where your body mass is important, yeah, you can add 10 pounds, move a little different, don't matter, you're heavier and stronger.
Starting point is 01:45:03 Yeah, especially if you have a position like a lineeman or running back where you don't, you know, I'm saying where the technique can be off a tiny bit and your mass makes up and strength and stuff for the little bit of the technique being off work golf, you are off in just a smidge on your technique and you know, you could be 10 times stronger, but that technique is slightly off in your front. So the best way, obviously, if you're trying to gain strength, I mean, you know, go through your strength training program, but you really need to incorporate that technique and swing in between and during,
Starting point is 01:45:32 like constantly keeping that, you know, at the forefront. Yep, totally. Look, if you like our information, head over to mindpumpfreed.com and check out our guides. We have guides that can help you with almost any fitness or health goal. You can also find us on social media. Justin and Adam are both on Instagram.
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