Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1762: Tony Robbins - Life Transforming Breakthroughs in Precision Medicine

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Starting point is 00:02:49 Head over to mapsmarch.com. Once again, mapsmarch.com and sign up for the power bundle. So I had a really unique experience, actually quite serendipitous. I'm on the plane on the way over here. And there was a gentleman sitting next to me, we started talking Carlos's his name. And we started talking about business,

Starting point is 00:03:07 and he told me how he just sold his pool supply company for it was producing over a billion dollars from revenue and how he's gonna be set, his wife's gonna be set, his kids and grandkids, and he was so proud. And then he asked me what I was doing, coming over and I said, I'm actually on my way to interview Tony Robb as in his face, totally totally changes and he goes,

Starting point is 00:03:27 that's crazy, he goes, you wanna hear something weird? And I said, yeah, and he goes, when I was 26, so he's 56, right? He goes, when I was 26, he goes, I was going down the wrong path and I bought some VHS tapes with Tony Robbins and he goes, and he goes, and he goes, and he goes, and he goes,

Starting point is 00:03:45 and he goes, I was in a live back then. And he says, those tapes changed my life's trajectory. And he goes, it was that point that brought me to where I'm at now. Wow. And I was blown away for a couple of reasons one, because what are the odds, right? And two, I've heard other people say this about you. And the question I've always wanted to ask you if I ever met you is, what is it about, I've heard other people say this about you, and the question I've always wanted

Starting point is 00:04:05 to ask you if I ever met you is, what is it about you that does this to people? What is it about what you say or do? I don't think it's me. I don't think it's me. I just think it's, I've been obsessed, you know, my entire life with how you increase the quality of people's lives, and I just love people. It sounds ridiculous. People don't believe it.

Starting point is 00:04:21 But when they go to a seminar with them, they know because, you know, I don't have to wait for my life, and my average day is 12 or 13 hours when, you know, people don't believe it, but when they go to a seminar with them, they may know because, you know, I don't know where to stay in my life. And my average day is 12 or 13 hours when people would be thrilled with three hours. Most people would sit for a three hour movie. And I'm keeping them completely engaged in a stadium of 15 or 20,000 people. And by the time you've done two, three, four days like that,

Starting point is 00:04:38 and they've had huge breakthroughs, people there. So I think there's a unique level of energy and caring and commitment in this category that I have, and I've also just never stopped growing and learning. It's like I love to learn. So, I've obviously focused on the things that matter. Your body, your mind, your emotions, relationships, your finances, your business, for decades in the spiritual part of life, obviously. I, about 2008, I started to decide I really want to go super deep at a different level. And part of what triggered me was, you know, the abuse that

Starting point is 00:05:11 happened in the financial markets. And I've coached on the gentleman in Paul Tutor Jones while the top 10 traders in history for about 24, 25 years now. And so I could be an idiot and have to learn patterns, you know. And somebody pays you sizeable seven figures to do something, but you've got to over-deliver. And so I've learned so much, but I thought, you know, I think I'm what I know best is success leaves clues. I've always studied patterns. Like, what is it that makes something work and not work? Like, you guys know the patterns of let's say I'm going to overly simplify, I apologize, but let's just say fitness. Sure. You know know there are certain patterns

Starting point is 00:05:45 that will give you much greater results than others, right? You've done the homework, you've proven in your own bodies, you're living it, you're living examples of it. So I've tried to do that in all these areas as well, but I start with finance and I went and interviewed, I wanted to help people who are losing half of what they had. So I interviewed Ray Dalu, Carl Icon, Warren Buffett, I had access, and I'm really good at synthesizing

Starting point is 00:06:05 and making it simple and actionable. Because my whole thing is when I was a kid, I'd make things so complex. I think so, I felt intelligent, or maybe I should have proved myself to the peel. I don't know what the hell I did in my 19, 2021, 23, 25 ages. But what I really learned is complexity is the enemy of execution.

Starting point is 00:06:22 The more complex, the less likely anybody puts a thrill. So it takes a hell of more time to take something complex and make it simple so that people, oh, that makes sense and where they can act on it. And so I did that with that. You know, two number one, New York Times best sellers that I've just thrilled with,

Starting point is 00:06:35 but I was more thrilled with is seeing the economic changes and I've gotten to meet all those people and hear those changes. And I do business programs. And so I get to hear the stories like you hear all the time, which really touches my heart. But health, it's always been my piece. I had to be a buyhacker to do what I do.

Starting point is 00:06:50 I'm on stage 12, 13 hours a day. This stadium full of people holding their attention four days a row, seven days a row. So I already had a lot of biohacking. If you go my house here, I have hyperburetor cox and upstairs. You know, I got my cryotherapy units. I've got lasers. I got every biohack you can

Starting point is 00:07:05 imagine because I need it. But what really triggered me this time was like, I think I can take and show people what's happening in a genitive medicine because we're in the middle of where everybody feels like COVID and the world's ending right at the same time where having some of the greatest breakthroughs in history because we're made of code, right? So now I'm sure you guys know about gene editing and gene therapy. But I mean, we got a kid that was on America's Got Talent to now concede again because of gene therapy. You know, people with sickle cell anemia that have cured for the first time.

Starting point is 00:07:36 And so there's so many breakthroughs. And so, but what augmented it for me, and one of the reasons I really went for it in this area now, and answer your question is it's, I care so much, I have the best content I can possibly find because I'm constantly updating, I think, for the same as you guys. And third is, I go until I get the result and I just won't give up, you know, so I can turn people around. I've, you know, I've had 50, what is it?

Starting point is 00:07:59 I don't know how many nows, but it's, I don't know, you guys see, I'm not your guru. Yeah. So you saw people where, for example, that were suicidal, you know, knock on wood after all these decades and thousands of people, I'm able to do it successfully again and again and again and again, because I understand human psychology. I know what to make things shift, but in the health area, I've had experiences where I was scared of death of cancer early on. Like, I became successful at a fairly young age and you know we talked about

Starting point is 00:08:26 this phobia on camera like your brain does know to do that sometimes and I worked my ass off 20 hour days and I was helping people and turn around athletes and CEOs but then my brain started to go well maybe I'm doing this so young because I'm going to die young. You know the survival part of your brain kicks in at least it did for me and I was not good in those days at handling it. And so I started dreaming about not being hit by car, but by wilting away of cancer. And then you think about enough insuring if it ends up in your life.

Starting point is 00:08:54 And it's first in a physically, with me. First it was my girlfriend, I was just turning 20, I think, late 19. And she comes in crying uncontrollably and says, my mother and my mother, and in the end of the story is, her mother mother's touch had cancer in nine weeks to live. And if it didn't me, I might not have kicked in gear because I might have been too fearful.

Starting point is 00:09:12 But when it's somebody you love, most of us do more for somebody who loves them ourselves. And so I kicked in gear and said, look, I hope belief is, Jim Rontani successfully clues. If someone succeeds in something, they're not lucky. What do you guys do different with your bodies? Not luck, you've earned it. You've done something different, but you've done it with precision or you wouldn't get that result. So I was like, okay,

Starting point is 00:09:30 there are lots of people that have stage 4 cancer, thousands, and they're alive. I said, I'm going to do a homework. We're going to find this. She's not going to die. And so I kicked in gear. And then I found this book from a guy that had pancreatic cancer. It was one of the most, you know, deadly cancers you can get. And 13 years, 12 years later, he writes this book and he's totally healthy. And he described what he did to detox his body, pancreatic enzymes. So I went to this one, my name was Jenny in her early 40s. And I said, Jenny, I know you don't want to die.

Starting point is 00:09:56 And I'm not telling you to die. So once you read this book, this guy was supposed to die in six weeks. There was nine weeks. Side if you want to do this. And then he gave her as a man think of the kind of manager brain or mind and motions. And they were long story short, she had a tumor that was protruding on her back and one in her feminine organs. And after two, three weeks of this, she felt good or energy was great. After about 10 weeks, you couldn't see or even feel the tumor

Starting point is 00:10:19 here. And so at one point they did exploratory surgery because she'd outlive the piece. And they found the only left was the size the end of my pinky's fingernail. That was it. And the doc says, And so at one point they did exploratory surgery because she'd outlive the piece and they found, the only left was the size of the end of my pinkie's fingernail. That was it. And the doc says, it's a miracle and she said it is a miracle, but let me tell you what he did.

Starting point is 00:10:32 He goes, no, it's just a miracle. She's alive today in her 80s, 40 years later. And that kind of took me from, you know, at the effect of the health side to doing my own version of what I think you guys do, which is constantly finding the very best tools to make this body the strongest could be so I can serve and have this great quality of life for myself, my family and for the people I'm not up there for.

Starting point is 00:10:51 And so it kind of freed me and thank God because about 12, 13 years later, I'm 32. How do you guys again? You're really 40s? 40s in. So I'm 32 years old. I'm top of my game. I'm working the best people on earth, Olympic athletes. I'm just I'm feeling like while years old, I'm top of my game, I'm working the best people on earth, lipping athletes, I'm just, I'm feeling like, well life is so blessed and I'm taking care of my body and I'm cranking and I got great kids and great everything. And then all of a sudden, I'm a helicopter pilot.

Starting point is 00:11:15 So I go to, every two years, you have to get another physical, simple physical. I get the physical I leave and then I keep getting these calls and my assistant says the doc wants to talk to you. I said, it's in the other port, you know, it's not a big deal. And I'm leaving to go to South of France for an event and then I keep getting these calls and my assistant says the doc wants to talk to you. I said, it's the other part, you know, it's not a big deal. And I'm leaving to go to South of France for an event. And then what happens?

Starting point is 00:11:28 I get home at 12 in the morning and there's a note there taped to my door that says, from my assistant saying, you must call the doctor. It's an emergency. So then what happens in your head? Yeah, fear. I'm just like, I, I, my body's got to be per how could this be? And then you go, well, I fly all the time because radiation be there. And then all that shit started come through me.

Starting point is 00:11:47 But at that stage of life, I found my center where it's like, courageous person dies once. It would have covered dies of 1000 deaths in their mind. So it's like, let me see what it is. Wake up in the next morning, call the doc and he says, you got a tumor in your brain. I'm like, what?

Starting point is 00:12:02 And I was like, I came, there's another one with me. He goes, I'm telling you, the base year brain you're pituitary gland, there's a tumor there, it's size, how could you possibly know that? And he says, well, you know, I kind of gathered that you have a lot of growth hormone, I don't know how you figured out my hands big

Starting point is 00:12:14 up in your face. You know, I grew 10 inches in one year, I was like 16 feet, you know, you're brilliant, Doc, you know. He goes, but I did this blood test and it confirms it. And you need to do an MRI and we need to do surgery immediately. So imagine you're like, fit in healthier 30 years old, 32 years old. I'm like, wait a second. What, what, what's the prognosis on this?

Starting point is 00:12:34 He's as well, you know, what a side effects. He's, well, you know, we have to inform you, you can die, but it's not likely. But your indecence system will probably never be the same. And you won't have the kind of energy that you're probably used to. I was like, well, that's my life. And I said, you know, you might have got a second opinion. And he was really busy. And now, you know, Mayo Clinic is proven useful for your audience to know.

Starting point is 00:12:55 2017 did a study with 286 people. And now they tell everybody to get a second opinion because they found only 12% of the time is the first and second opinion the same. I mean, it's 88% of the time it's different. Did not know that. And so now they recommend, and they now believe you get two or three opinions that refine the diagnosis and you're more likely to succeed

Starting point is 00:13:14 or transform something. But I didn't know them then, but I knew because of Janine because of other things I read, I knew another opinion. But then you know how you try, I don't know if you're ever trying to, like blow it off, this guy's full of it, right? You know, I'm totally healthy.

Starting point is 00:13:24 I flew this out to France, I did this event, and then back on my head it just wouldn't stop. So I came back, Niddy MRI, Fumer there. Some of it swallowed up on its own, they can't explain how, but still they're pumping all this growth hormone into me. And so I'm like, I'm gonna try something different. I'm gonna go to an endocrinologist rather than a surgeon. So I went to synachronologist

Starting point is 00:13:43 and the best in the world in Boston, completely different guy. Like the nicest human being in the world. Yes, Tony, you have it, but don't do the surgery that'd be insane. It's too risky. You know, it goes, go to Switzerland. There's this new injection. You do it twice a year. And I have gigantic and let's put it's called. And what happens is it keeps your arteries from getting too big so you don't have an heart attack. And I said, but my arteries are fine. You told me that they're actually perfect in size. He goes, that's true. I said, why would I do this? He goes, just to be certain, you're going to be okay. I said, well, what if I'm already certain?

Starting point is 00:14:07 I said, I want to be stupid, but couldn't I just measure once a year? And if there starts to be an increase, deal with them? I said, he goes, just to be certain, you should do this. I said, but I'm not certain that there won't be side effects in the drug. And he was super nice. He goes, and I said, and the surgeon wants me to cut, he goes, the baker wants the bake, the surgeon wants the cut. I want to drug the doctor.

Starting point is 00:14:24 I said, I'm not sure. I said, I'm not sure. I said, I'm not sure. I said, I I'm not certain that there won't be side effects in the drug. He was super nice. He goes, and I said, and the surgeon wants me to cut, he goes, the baker wants the bake. The surgeon wants the cut. I want to drug you. He was really cool. And he goes, so that's my preference, but I guess you could do it, measure each year. So thank God I didn't do it. I never got to the U.S. state in Switzerland because they found it cause cancer. So I missed the bullet.

Starting point is 00:14:41 And so thankful. And then I went to six other doctors and I finally met this doc who said to me Tony He goes yes you the tumor and yes you have this growth hormone. He said but dude You do the equivalent of two marathons in a weekend or more and two days later you're recovered He goes I've never seen you like it. He goes. I'm sure the growth hormone's playing a role with that He goes I know bodybuilders just been twelve hundred bucks a month to get what you get for free Yeah, so that was 32. I'm 62 in a couple of weeks.

Starting point is 00:15:08 And those 30 years I've measured, there's never been a problem. So, and I haven't lived with fear. I'm like, oh my God, what's gonna happen? And that's what I want people to know, is if you educate yourself, there are other options. And it's not your doctor is in great. I mean, doctors are the best people.

Starting point is 00:15:20 I know this book is filled with doctors, but they're the best in the world at what they do. Not everyone's equal and anything fitness, health, anything you can do. And you know, I try to explain it, it's like the half life of medical education now, Corden Harvard is 16 to 24 months, meaning 16, 24 months later,

Starting point is 00:15:36 whatever they learned half of it is worthless. That's how we end up with the opioid epidemic, because who educates the now as the pharmaceutical salesman. So imagine you're a doc and you care about your patients so much. And then someone says, this is a perfect solve and it's not addictive. And then they get addicted and die. I mean, I feel for doctors, they give their souls. But you, they should be your coach and not your commander. Yeah. And you need more than one opinion.

Starting point is 00:15:57 So that's what's really helped me. And then lastly, for the story is, well, I'm here now. And the way I wrote this book now is I want to do this. Anyway, I wanted to be 150 of the very best. With money, my name is Lee Gamma, and you're going to Ray Dalie, a Carl Icombe, I'm one of the 50 smartest people literally in the world financially. All self-made billionaires, all start with nothing.

Starting point is 00:16:14 Nobody from the Lucky Spurb Club, like cool people, a lot of making friends. It's like, I want to go 150 Nobel laureates, scientists, regenerative doctors, the best in the world. That's what I did. But what really triggered me was one more challenge. I, being an idiot, I'm going down mountain and sun valley, chasing a guy on a snowboard

Starting point is 00:16:31 who's 22 years old, and regardless of age, a pro, and I thought somehow on my head I could do the shit he was doing. It was total disaster. I had a wipe. I thought I broke my neck. The pain was so insane. And then when I'd actually have an age toward all my road to hitter cuffs, and you know, I'm sure you guys have been in pain in a fair stage of your life,

Starting point is 00:16:48 but this was nine, nine pages, it was nerve pain, you know. Couldn't sleep more than an hour, two nights in a row. And then I found, do you know, P-E-M-F, are you guys familiar with it? Post-electronic, magnificent frequency. This one-doxid, don't do the surgery, it doesn't always work. This will at least get the pain down while you find a better solution. And there's 3000 studies. It'll, like if you break a bone, it'll cause you to recover. It's an electrical charge, magnetic charge. The bone will recover in about 50% faster than if you don't use it. So it took my pain to like a five. So I could

Starting point is 00:17:17 sleep. But then I still need a solution. So what do you go? You go to the doctor's surgery, surgery, surgery, surgery. What's,, surgery. What's the prognosis? Well, you may not be a lift your arm above your shoulder. We have to warn you that. Could tear again. How much do we have? Four to six months. Four to six months with one arm.

Starting point is 00:17:34 Do you think that's what I was saying? It's from our days on stage. I can't do that crap. Are you crazy? So I work with a lot of the greatest of all time athletes in a variety of sports. They'll be very best. And like, Koshana Ronaldo, right? It's supposed to be down for three months. Did stem cells. It was all time athletes and a variety of sports, well, be very best. And like, Cristiano Ronaldo, right?

Starting point is 00:17:46 It's supposed to be down for three months. Did stem cells, it was done in two and a half weeks, back on, back playing again. So, look to that and it's like, what about stem cells? And all the docs like, no, not for something like this. There's no way it doesn't do it, it doesn't work. And then you know, I'm here and these guys say it saved their career.

Starting point is 00:18:02 So I called Peter D. Mottos, who's an MD from Harvard, but also a rocket scientist, a friend of mine, a partner of mine in business. It's who's the best in the world who can tell me the answers. And he said, you got to go see Dr. Bob Harari. And he's a neurosurgeon. But he's the first guy that took Old Rats. You probably remember hearing the study 38 years ago and gave them young rats blood. And they became young again.

Starting point is 00:18:22 The hair got dark, the muscles got strong. And they took the Old Rats blood and put the young rats and they became young again. The hair got dark, the muscles got strong and they took the older rats blood and put the younger rats when they got older. So that started the whole thing in Silicon Valley about young blood, you know, you heard that stuff. But what they found it was with stem cells. So he said to me, Tony, once you get 40, sorry guys, your stem cells drop off the cliff. Yeah. Right. Especially in your mid and later 40s. And he said, so you're 53 years old at the time, he said, you know, if you knew something like an elbow or something maybe, but not your shoulder, and then all I left out was important part.

Starting point is 00:18:52 The last doctor I come to, I didn't know him. Oh my God, Tony Robbins, you need Tony Robbins. Oh my God, you saved my marriage. I mean, 10 million dollars. I was like, oh, you know, all these beautiful stories, love hearing them. He goes, okay, now I'm so sorry, I'm so excited, but I gotta be your doctor now.

Starting point is 00:19:04 He paused to take some breath, and he looks at me and says, life as you know it is over. No. So when you clearly didn't go to my communication, someone called me and said, that's like, what the hell? And then he pulls out my spine and I've been in pain for 14 years and he goes, you have severe spinal stenosis.

Starting point is 00:19:19 Let me show you this. You cannot run, jump, you cannot over lift, you cannot, snowboard, it goes because you do, and you could find yourself unable to walk again. You know, like punches you in the gut and you're ready for it, no problem, but I wasn't ready for it. I'm usually pride myself on keeping my head together. It took me about two hours to get my shit together because it's like your whole life

Starting point is 00:19:37 so far. And what I went excepted obviously. So Bob Rory says, look, you need stem cells that have a force of life in it. It's what I call life force, even that's not just about stem cells. And he said, you need like four day old cells, not your cells. And I said, why don't want fetal cells? He goes, no, no, no, no. He says, when babies are born, we have the cord

Starting point is 00:19:58 which is filled with this and the placenta and most people throw it away. And he's the first person, if you, I'm sure you know, that if you have a baby today, they encourage you to consider saving it for the child. He's the one who created that. So he's the first person, if you, I'm sure you know, that if you have a baby today, they encourage you to consider saving it for the child. He's the one who created that. So he was, and he saved so many lives with this amazing. But today, you can get allergenic cells

Starting point is 00:20:12 of the fancy word for cells from another source. And so I went down, I did three days of these. IV for just 20 minutes, that was it, and a shot. First day, they told me I probably felt tired. I felt really tired. Second day, I had a side of kind of response. I knew it was, so I didn. First day, they told me I probably felt tired. I felt really tired. Second day, I had a side of kind of response. I knew what it was, so I didn't freak out. It was shaking and freezing for about 20 minutes.

Starting point is 00:20:30 It's like, wow, this is intense. But I went to sleep and I woke up the next day. Now I was my shoulder perfect. By the way, I had the MRI, so it was just perfect. But my spine, I stood up with no pain in my spine for the first time in 14 years. So I became obsessed. I was like, okay, here's what I'm gonna do.

Starting point is 00:20:44 I am gonna go learn everything about stem cells. And then I realized it wasn time in 14 years. So I became obsessed. I was like, okay, here's what I'm gonna do. I am gonna go learn everything about stem cells. And then I realized it wasn't just stem cells. It's this revolution of regenerative medicine. And the end of the story is, so many people heard about what I did and so forth. And I was asking everybody questions that the pope invited me to come speak. The pope every year, every two years rather,

Starting point is 00:21:00 it does a three day stem cell regenerative conference because he sees this as a gift from God. He brings in the doctors from all over the world who are the best. So I said, I'm happy to do the cleanup speech the last day, but I want the right to then come with all the doctors and attend all the sessions for three days and let me do it. Got an education of a lifetime. And I met two dozen people that were sent home, some to hospice, some just sent home to die because their cancers were so severe. And they're alive today because they met Dr. Carl June. It was quartet sales, you know, or they met another, and they're in a short learning about all these different new therapies that

Starting point is 00:21:31 most people have no clue about. And how effective they are. I met Jack Nicholas there, Grace of All-Time golfer. He couldn't stand for more than 10 minutes without unbearable pain. He imagined being a guy your entire life through an athlete, now you can't even stand. And so they're gonna fuse his spine, which by the way works less than half the time. And thank God he didn't do it. So he did stem cells and he's now 82 playing golf and tennis. So I was like, I'm gonna interview these people.

Starting point is 00:21:55 I'm gonna find the best. I'm gonna deliver it. And so it's been a three year project. And now I got this tome, I delivered for people, but the response to it's been off the chart. And I'm donating all the money, by the way, just like my last three people, but the response to it's been off the chart. And I'm donating all the money, by the way, just like my last three books, all that goes to charity,

Starting point is 00:22:08 with feeding 20 million meals, I've fed 850 million people in the last seven years with a goal of a billion, so we're gonna hit that early. I'm using this book for that, and the balance of it goes to Alzheimer's and some top doctors and Alzheimer's or heart disease and cancer.

Starting point is 00:22:20 Wow, that's a nice, no. Long story, I'm sorry, but I wanted to do it again. No, I'm okay, I mean, I've never read that in the book. So it's an incredible story. So I'm glad you shared it. But all the things that you've now experienced and gone through, if you were to go back earlier in your life, are there things that you would have actually started doing earlier related to the biohacking, all the biohacking stuff that you're doing?

Starting point is 00:22:38 For better measures. Yeah. No, because most of the things that I know today were available then. You bet. Well, say next. Well, I'm thinking right now, like there's a 25 or a 30-year-old that's listening. Are there certain things that you would be doing now at 25 or 30 with that information now?

Starting point is 00:22:53 Yeah, I would. I'm sure that's a lot of your audience. I'll tell you one piece. It'll be a little technical, but I think I can make it simple. Davidson Claire is probably the greatest longevity expert in the world from Harvard. You guys know that with him? So David's a good friend. And when I started doing research on this book, I mean, this idea that you could slow aging

Starting point is 00:23:09 and then actually reverse aging, you'd want to do that as soon as possible, right? You want to start that process early. What really makes this breakdown? Well, it's not your DNA. You know, it's seen in DNA at 26, as you do if you're 86. And your DNA is not your destiny. And science has noticed today, it's your DNA is not your destiny. And that science has noticed today. It's your epigenome that matters.

Starting point is 00:23:27 So those 3.2 billion letters that make up the genes of your body from your mother and your father, that's like the plan, think about the piano. The piano player is the epigenome, epin means above. So that can be powerfully affected by the crazy shit you do when you're 25 years old, right? Your diet, your exercise, your lack of sleep,

Starting point is 00:23:45 you know, chemicals, any drugs you're taking, and so forth. And it starts the process that early, to start your body breaking down, we found out. Most people don't realize that. It just starts to accumulate. And for a lot of people, it accumulates more rapidly because of their lifestyle. So, the epigenel is fed this world with a little technical.

Starting point is 00:24:03 I'm gonna give you three words. I hope your audience, you don't have to memorize it. It's in the book if they want, but it's helpful to understand. There are seven master genes called sertuins. These master genes do two of the most important things in your life. The first thing they do is they turn on or off genes. So no matter what age you are, that's why you know, cancer is being seen younger and younger, heart disease, younger and younger. We're seeing some diabetes, younger and younger, that's more

Starting point is 00:24:27 lifestyle. But turning on and off those genes is really your whole life. And these master genes do that. And so when you're young and they get enough fuel, they operate real effectively. But again, depending on how much damage you do, accelerates that, right? Second thing it does is it reduces inflammation, which we all know that's the basis to break down in the body, right? And the third and most important thing is, you guys know, the source of energy is in every

Starting point is 00:24:50 single cell as you mitochondria. It converts, helps the mitochondria convert food and creates the ATP, the fuel of your entire body. So, serotones are pretty important, but they have a second task that when you're really young or 25, it's not a problem. But if you live poorly at 25, it'll accelerate what happens. And that is, it has to also clean up your DNA. So just being exposed to radiation, just from chemicals, even if you're totally fit and healthy,

Starting point is 00:25:16 there's lots of things we're exposed to, and it starts to disrupt the DNA, and disrupts the communication, which is what makes you break down. And so it goes in and cleans up your DNA for it. It's pretty important. But when the fuel source for these sertuins, these seven master genes, starts to get smaller and it starts in your 40s and at 50 it drops off the cliff. And that fuel source, I'm sure you've heard of is NAD. Without any DNA, the sertuins can't do their job. At early 50s, late 40s, it drops by about 50%. So imagine you had a mansion and you have a young staff, and your house always looks magnificent

Starting point is 00:25:50 because things break their fixin'. That's what happens in life. That's part of anything. It's what's happened in your body. Boom, seven billion liver cells are gone. Boom, seven billion new ones are created, right? But now as the staff gets older, and maybe a little de-crap it in their mind,

Starting point is 00:26:02 and you don't have the raw materials, now your mansion starts breaking down that's aging, right? So one thing that you can do early on as you can support the fuel source, NED, but the precursor you probably know is N-M-N, never, mother, never. You need that precursor for the NED, both to be made and to absorb effectively. And you can supplement N-M-N. In fact, a lot of people know about this

Starting point is 00:26:25 and promote it. But when I was talking with David, we went out and looked at six different companies together and took him to the lab, no NMN, NMN whatsoever. And they were from $35 a month, $120. And I said to the lab guy, I said, are these people just thieves? And a lot of it comes from China as the original source.

Starting point is 00:26:43 And he said, well, some people are thieves, Tony said, but more likely it breaks down on 30 to 45 days. So by the time somebody actually gets it, there's nothing in it. So David has his own NMN, which he's used to take himself from 53, chronologically to 33, biologically. I've done what he's done for less than nine months.

Starting point is 00:27:00 I'm like I said, I'll be 62 in a few weeks, and I'm 51 in my chronology, and I'm gonna get it to the 40s. And so if weeks, and I'm 51 in my chronology, and I'm going to get it to the 40s. And so if you did this younger, you just have more energy and strength, but here's the part you're 25 rules in your love, as well as your 30 or 40 or 50 year olds. So David is obsessed, and he's partners with a general company called Netrotek. And Netrotek is a company that created a synthetic form, a crystallized form of NMN,

Starting point is 00:27:26 its own molecule, called MIB626. And it doesn't break down, but more importantly, it absorbs at a whole different level. Like traditional NMN, if you actually get it, you'll get an absorption maybe maximum 30%. Now, if you get normal NMN to an old mouse, an old mouse like a 70 year old mouse is like a 24 month old mouse. A 20 month old mouse can barely run a quarter of a kilometer whereas a young mouse can do four times that, full kilometer, full tilt, and then they're exhausted and they drop.

Starting point is 00:27:55 You get the end of them for 14 days to an old mouse, seven year old mouse, and it runs two to three kilometers, two to 300% of the young mouse after 14 days. That's how powerful this, but then I I went my first time in a state like not all my studies translate, right? So this part that's cool. So they built this crystallized version and I thought out about it. I actually invested in it so I could learn more after I saw some of the initial results but they have it's just been revealed. It wasn't supposed to be its top secret. They've been working with our special forces for two years and

Starting point is 00:28:31 at a Boston. And they just ended the study. And the commander got so excited, even at the top secret, he talked to somebody and it got in the press. It was in the daily mail about two weeks ago what they know about it. And it was also in a paper in Boston. But in essence, I only tell you what he said, because I can't reveal something that's not for released yet. But what he said is, what we know about mice, and the fittest human beings that we have, we've seen the same result. Meaning, their endurance has exploded to levels. He's never seen in these men and women,

Starting point is 00:28:57 and all the training he's ever done. There are muscle developments, you guys will love, exploded with the exact same stimulus. They didn't increase the stimulus, greater muscle development. They have this week, all the, last week I guess all the blood came back, they have the blood and the muscle, they know everything it's there now.

Starting point is 00:29:12 But the best part was cognition exploded. And when your, the special forces in your exhausted, the problem is your energy affects your brain. And their cognition under pure exhaustion was higher than they'd be able to measure before. And then I met through the owner, he's got a gentleman that was, I think he stopped playing world-class chess at 60 because his cognition just couldn't keep up. He's 72 now, he's been doing this and now he plays world-class chess again. So what's cool about this is the FDA is following this simultaneously. And so, you know, FDA goes to phase one, two, and three.

Starting point is 00:29:44 So they believe that because they've already been the safety and they've already done efficacy, they think they're going to be in stage three trial soon, which means they hope within 18 to 24 months to have this. It will not be a nutraceutical. It will be an actual approved drug by the FDA. And 300 to 400 percent absorption instead of 30 percent. Wow.

Starting point is 00:30:02 So will this be available over the counter only as a prescription? Subscription. You have great doctor to get it. Now NMN is to increase NAD. Why not just supplement with NAD? Why NMN? Well, you can, but the size of the molecule, when you talk to David, like, you know, I've done NAD, you know, IVs, I'm sure you guys probably have as well, right?

Starting point is 00:30:19 It's not so useful, but it's not absorbed at the same level. You need it for its absorption. And there's other ones. There's something right now called NAD3, probably heard about. There's some special formulas about what your other forms are precursors that you can do right now, and it can enhance the experience of any NAD or any NMN you have as well. So I take advantage of that as well. There's a guy, my name is Dr. Hector Lopez, who's genius. He uses AI to analyze various nutrients

Starting point is 00:30:45 and their combinations and impact. He's one of leaders in the field. He developed this NAD3. Well, this makes sense. I know with certain supplements, the bodybuilding community we use to increase nitric oxide, they used to take argonine, but it gets destroyed in the gut.

Starting point is 00:30:59 So people use citralline, which converts to argonine, which then does the job. So it's very similar. Was there anything that surprised you when you were researching some of the topics that you talk about in your book? There are lots of things that surprised me. I take something that when we did research for our other book, I really want to know what people

Starting point is 00:31:17 really care about at different stages of life. So we did extensive interviews. People had 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s. And what blew me away was how many people in their late, mid to late 30s were worried about cancer. I was obsessed by it as a kid, but I was like, I never thought that would be true. And then a lot of Alzheimer's, primarily because they've had a grandparent or a parent who's had it as well. It texts them personally. Yeah, so and when, my father died of Alzheimer's, when somebody doesn't know who you are anymore,

Starting point is 00:31:40 you don't forget that, it creates a concern. So there are diagnostics that, you know, you don't forget that, it creates a concern. So there are diagnostics that, you know, stage of life when I was 35 or 40, but you guys are probably, yeah, I'm kind of blew it off. When these diagnostics of fitness can be, right? But the diagnostics today are a whole different level. Like people think about going to their doctor and tap on your knee and check your ear and cough, right?

Starting point is 00:32:00 It's, it's levels from 80 years ago. You wouldn't, you wouldn't have a cell phone from 10 years ago. But today, have a cell phone from 10 years ago. But today, the diagnosis is gone crazy. So let's take an example, like cancer. It's happening younger and younger. There's research today. All the people in the book, I tell their stories of these people. They all have something in common that made them create these breakthroughs. They lost somebody they love. A father, a mother, a wife, and this gentleman who came up with this cancer breakthrough lost his wife two and a half years, and if they would have caught it sooner, she would

Starting point is 00:32:29 have survived. In fact, the cancer society now says that out of a hundred thousand people they've studied, if you get cancer at stage three or stage four, you have an 80% chance of dying. I prefer the 20% chance of living, but the larger point is it's much harder to turn around and they're right. If you get at stage one or two, you have between 80 and 99.9% chance of living, but their larger point is it's much harder to turn around and they're right. If you get at stage one or two, you have between 80 and 99.9% chance of surviving. So you want to get catch idea, but the problem is most of the cancer is the kill us the ones we don't test for. So, you know, a woman has a mammogram when you get older somebody might, you know, you have a

Starting point is 00:32:58 you have a colonoscopy or something, but the ones that get us, we find out usually it states to be or for. I lost somebody like that stomach cancer. And by the time she had side effects, it was already state. That's right. Because you don't feel anything until then. That's right. So check this out. You lost his wife. Very well. The guy from Google hired thousands of researchers built this entire company.

Starting point is 00:33:18 And I think it took him, I don't know about a year, just a ridiculously short period of time using his intellect and his contacts. He is built up single blood tests that will show you 50 different cancers even before you have symptoms. And I'll just give you an example. We have these fat and life centers who are throughout the US and up and up and up and so forth.

Starting point is 00:33:34 And so we had a guy come in, like, I don't know, six months ago. His wife pushed him to do the tests. He was only like 44 years old. And he's like, I'm fit and everything else. I'm with a doctor, you know, and they did his blood and his your analysis because I'm totally fine She was no, no, I want you to do this. So sure enough comes. We give him a grail test. It's called grail and he's got kidney cancer

Starting point is 00:33:55 and but it's so small it's so early It was now patients processed to 20 minutes. He has no cancer. Wow. I mean, it's just like and then there's another one You should know about and again you're mids, you don't think about these things, but I encourage you guys because you're so fit and because you're so strong, you make such demands, you're incredible shape, I'm sure. But then there are things that are beyond what we know because they're genetic dispositions, right? So it's useful to know this stuff, because I've had friends in early 40s who were fittest

Starting point is 00:34:23 fellow and they died on working out or another guy died playing tennis And so you don't think that way you think you're indestructible at the stage So you don't have to have fear you just say listen we're all overly optimistic We have no clue what's going on inside here. We know what's going on outside You look like a million bucks and you got great energy, but just like your friend with the stomach cancer, right? Well now what's the number one killer man and women? It's heart disease, right? So my buddies called me my doctor. I have a partying Dr. Bill Capney. He built 12 hospitals and did that for 20 years and then just got fed up with sick care. And so this is insane. There's this revolution that's happening. I want to be at the edge of that revolution of precision medicine.

Starting point is 00:35:00 So he sold those hospitals and he built these centers with us. He's just a brilliant man. And he's one of those completely understated guys. There's no hype in this man whatsoever. And he calls me up in his wave deliverance, his Tony. And I really want you to come down to the center because there is this new breakthrough. It's, I'd have to say, I'm, you know, without overstating, it's one of the most important breakthroughs in cardiology in 10 years.

Starting point is 00:35:22 And you know how my heart's strong as can be? I've, you know, nothing to worry about. But he goes, I really think you should come. Here's what it is. Most people do a CT scan. And he said, well, they're looking for a plaque, right? But plaques are not the same. Calcified plaque is hard. It means you're actually healed. But soft plaque can break off and make a little maker, they call it right, give you a heart attack or give you a stroke at any age, certainly mid-forties, early forties or fifties. And he said, I really think you should come see this

Starting point is 00:35:48 because what they did is a lot of times, it's so hard to read. People have false surgeries, all kinds of challenges. He says it's just the best that was available. But as of today, and we're the first coming at exposure, but it'll be available everywhere. This thing called a C-C-T-A scan, it uses AI. And it digitally opens your arteries, and goes in like a heat-seeking

Starting point is 00:36:06 missile and measures whether it's calcified or soft plaque and gives your score and tells you exactly where it is in your body and they can predict the heart attack five years in advance and they but more importantly they tell you what to do to get rid of it to change it. So this is like less than six months ago. I'm finishing up the book and you know when you write in the the book, I'm sure you guys have experienced this with your work. It's like the last minute you've earned 50 more things you try to put into this thing. That's why I got so big.

Starting point is 00:36:30 And so, my father-in-law is just turning 80. My wife's father. Beautiful man started his own business when he's really young, self-educated, lumber business. So, you know, it looks like you guys, you know, he did anyway. And so, but when you turn 80, people around you tend you're telling me, you know, you should be getting your affairs in order and all that stuff. I mean, so much of this shit, I could just see, you know, somebody's psychology changes their emotion, their energy changes. So I was thinking,

Starting point is 00:36:55 how can I help them? So I said, God, I'm going to go do this test. I said, then take one, but I think we should go. And I said, you know, multiple hours of stage of life, where we're going to have some of this south stuff, you know, tissue here think we should go. And I said, you know, multiple times in a state of life where we're gonna have some of this soft tissue here that we gotta get rid of. But they'll tell us exactly where it is. They'll tell us what to do to get rid of it. The soft plaque? Why don't we do this?

Starting point is 00:37:13 It's okay. So I take him with me. My father-in-law has zero soft plaque in his body. His heart is solid as a rock. I mean, this guy, like I'm better than I was five years ago, and I'm really doing good, but he didn't have any. I mean, and it was like completely changed him, and then there's this cool technique

Starting point is 00:37:28 that we use called relief, which I've done for some of the best athletes in the world, I think they have a career in doing problems. So I had this ankle problem from being a crazy guy on stage, torqued it. No matter what bodywork we did or things we did, we have the nerve was so sensitive that you know, they give somebody give me a massage,

Starting point is 00:37:44 don't touch the ankle, cause it would shoot this fire off this like electrical shock in me. So I went there, I'm gonna first turn about this stuff, they use ultrasound, they see you're connected to shoot, they see where the circulation is not getting there or if a nerve is trapped, and they put amniocluid just gently into it, and the fluid opens everything up,

Starting point is 00:38:01 and the nerve pops back in place, took 15 minutes. My ear, it's smack the that guy to my ankle now, not a problem. So pops is there with me, right? And he's got, what makes you feel old is you don't move as well, or you move in your pain, and you have a huge hit problem,

Starting point is 00:38:14 and couldn't walk right, and suddenly you start feeling frail. So I pops along as you hear, why don't you try this, you know, relief process here. 30 minutes later, they find two specific areas in his head. They repair those two areas, they open it up with the fluid. An hour later, he's walking like silk. So we get on the plane, it's my favorite experience with him. He's like this for me, he looks at me

Starting point is 00:38:36 and he goes, you know, Tony, those people talk about living the 110, 120, I don't know about that stuff, but you know what? My heart is perfect. And I walk perfectly. I can live another 20 years. You believe in married in my daughter for 22 years. That's like another lifetime. His entire psychology has changed. So I want your viewers to know, regardless of their age, there are some simple tools that are, you do them

Starting point is 00:38:59 and you have freedom. You do them and you have peace of mind. You do them, it's like I always tell people, ignorance is not bliss, ignorance is pain, ignorance is poverty, ignorance is can be death, you know, if you don't know. And so these are some of the tools that are out there that are really critical.

Starting point is 00:39:12 Well, not to mention, we know the power of the mind too, right? So just changing a psychology has to have tremendous benefit. Huge, huge. What do you think it's gonna take to shift our, I guess, our traditional medical system away from treating an issue that happens to being preventative. Because a lot of what you're talking about is preventative before and it could save us tremendous amount of money

Starting point is 00:39:34 and lives, what are you going to take to move that direction? Well, even ones that aren't preventative, these regeneration tools in some of them, like say, Carti cells. Carti cells, they had immune therapy back before chemotherapy. That's how long it's been around. But they didn't have it mastered and, you know, they pretty much fell to the wayside when Dr. June who created Carti cells came along. He was like, nobody would listen to him. He couldn't get me funding. He was down to his last

Starting point is 00:40:01 like $100,000 in his lab. And then he took this man on to try everything else. And in one session of gene therapy, you know, you know, you know, CAR T cells putting these super cells, your cancer often doesn't, your body's immune system T cells don't recognize the cancer, that's why it grows. So this attaches so they can recognize it. And it was a huge breakthrough. But everyone was super skeptical. And it was a huge breakthrough, but everybody was super skeptical and it was super expensive to say the least to do initially.

Starting point is 00:40:29 And the first guy he did was supposed to die and he melted in, I think it was two weeks, seven pounds of tumor and came out with nothing there. Then no one thought it would last. They needed 11 year old kid. So last week in nature, it just came out, cancer doctors never talk about cure. But it's been 10 years and those supercharged cells are still inside

Starting point is 00:40:50 them. So what's happening is it's happening simultaneously. You have so much momentum on the old system, but you're getting breakthroughs that are here. And then some of them because of the technology price, you know, things increasing and dropping in price, they're starting to get really within range of cheaper and then insurance companies start to get involved. And that's what's going to probably change the system. Like I'll give an example, there's a tool for not your audience, but they probably have someone they maybe they love a grandmother grandfather like Parkinson's. If you ever seen the Parkinson's, they can't even hold a glass. And so I went watch this one in the first treatment. And there's this new technique it's called incisionless

Starting point is 00:41:27 brain surgery. They alter your brain without doing using super power ultrasound, and they take some about it's an outpatient treatment, takes about an hour and a half to find the spot that controls the tremors, and then they treat it in 15 seconds. If you ever seem to get somebody get those audio implants and they can hear for the first time in crying control, but I watched this woman who was on 15 medications, couldn't walk across the room, shaking, couldn't hold a glass of water,

Starting point is 00:41:51 get up, walk across the room perfectly, they handed her glass of water, she reached out, like didn't even realize and drank the water and then just burst in the tears. That was two years ago. A month ago, she just did a 50 mile bike ride. And this is all outpatient. So it's just like, so it's not going to, that's available now in 100 hospitals and insurance

Starting point is 00:42:11 now covers it. So it's like those things, the biggest thing is going to be economics and results. And as the economics drop, we'll see that change. But guys like us that are more biomarkers, we're at the frontline. It's like, I'm old enough to remember you, but I don't get you too young, but I had the original Motorola Stem, or what do you call it, cell phone.

Starting point is 00:42:30 You know, it was two feet long. The brick, yeah. Yeah, it was a foot long, weighed two pounds, cost me four grand back then, but he's like 10 grand today. And you got to charge it for six hours so you can get 30 minutes of time. Now you went by your Apple phone,

Starting point is 00:42:43 it's free if you pay for, you know, to get a service contract, and it's got 100 times the power of what took the Apollo to the moon and back, right? So that's how fast it's changing right now. And gene therapy, another one, I mean, it is really changing the field, but the price is still high in gene therapy,

Starting point is 00:42:59 but it's cheaper like the average person for cancer depends on the type of cancer is to get $1,000,25 million and a half a million dollars. So when the numbers are less and the side effects are less and more people know about it, and that's part of what I'm trying to do. Give people things they can do right now. Simple things. Easy acts.

Starting point is 00:43:13 Any human do, don't cross anything. And then here are the things that a small investment in your health could change you radically. And then here are the things that if you got real trouble, you can do. And here's the things to prevent it by doing some intelligent diagnostics. That's excellent. How much time do you devote personally to your health and performance?

Starting point is 00:43:28 I mean, you obviously are the most energy, energetic people, that people know about. Like, that's some of the nice of you. I train like a crazy person, but I train more for endurance because that's what I need most. I used to, like when I was in my 20s and 30s, I want to be as jacked as I could be.

Starting point is 00:43:44 And I did, but I didn't do it right. Like, I'm sure you guys do, when I was in my 20s and 30s, I want to be as jacked as I could be, and I did, but I didn't do it right, like I'm sure you guys do, so I was always injured. And so I'll be on stage and I'd have these injuries. I was like, what do I really want for my health? And I remember I was 32 and I was like 33, and I was like, I want a level of energy that no one can imagine.

Starting point is 00:43:58 That when everybody else is gone and exhausted, I can go 10 times as much. So I have all kinds of training. I have every tool you can imagine in my toolbox to maximize, to reduce information. And then what I do for a living is crazy. I mean, think about it. I'm, I'm, I'm bringing 11,300 calories a day. That's insane. How do you recover? Well, that guy over there helped me. I get a, I get my oxygen chamber, I get in my cryotherapy, and you get in your training. Well, I understand.

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Starting point is 00:44:50 I've got a neighbor that should move down the street, and one of my other friends is selling him a top security company, as for you know, it's companies like, I don't know, $200 million dollar company. It's got a $2 billion dollar company, and he's having lunch. My friend came to see me and he goes and has lunch

Starting point is 00:45:04 with this guy to feel him out before they can do the deal. And he goes, you know, so do you live in Florida? I mean, did you come down to visit in Florida? And he goes, yeah, I was a business friend. He was at Schoenibri, at Stony Robbins. He was at Stony Robbins. I started my business.

Starting point is 00:45:16 I was totally broke. I told my wife, I listened to these things. We're going to start this, you know, this is a security business. And that's a $2 billion business, you know. So I love hearing all those stories, but I also get to see it in real time. You see people transform and so it's a virtuous cycle. I pour everything into them, but then people are so generous when their lives change, they pour it back. And so there's this cycle of energy that's different. Now, am I still exhausted? Yes.

Starting point is 00:45:40 I'm like, I'm perfect and I get off stage and by the time I'm driven home and now I'm doing it from nearby. All the lactic acids in my body, and I look like I'm 80 years old. But we go detox cleanse the body, do all those things and build that up and go rock and roll again. And it's so fulfilling. It's like, what could be more fulfilling? I don't have a work of day in my life,

Starting point is 00:45:58 I don't need the money or anything. It was like, but I need the meaning, the sense of meaning that your life matters. I know you guys know that because that's right. That's like what you do what you do. You know what, it was funny before we got over here talking to you, you know, some of your team came out and they were talking about how much you love people.

Starting point is 00:46:12 And I've heard that a lot about you. Why do you love people so much? I've heard that about you so many different times. It stands out in fact. I don't know why I do it. Man, I just, when I was a little kid, my mom is now passed away, but people would say, you know, we'll see, I'll always like this.

Starting point is 00:46:28 And she's not telling a story, and she used to tell me the same story, so I know it well, she goes, I barely remember it, but I do remember it. But then we lived in the hood in LA, and we lived on a commercial street, and it was pretty unsafe place, but my mom was pregnant with my little brother, and there was a liquor store next door.

Starting point is 00:46:46 And so, you know, we go get bread and milk there, and I was doing it at 4 and a half years old, 5 years old, going across there. And my mom said, I sent him one time to go get bread and milk. I was going to guess for a long time, and I finally came back, and my mom says, where's the bread and milk? I said, well, there's a poor boy there, so I gave him our money. And she said, we're poor. So I don't know, I'm just, you know, I'm wired with compassion. I know some people think it's just bullshit, but when people come in with me for 40 or 50 hours in a weekend, you know, I got a friend who I met 35 years ago and he said, Tony, you know,

Starting point is 00:47:17 I thought this guy's so full of it. And in those days, you know, it was the 80s, you know, you were a suit. You know, it's like, I'm old and I remember when casual Friday was actually a thing. Now everybody's casual. Yeah, casual everyday. Yeah, I was everyday.

Starting point is 00:47:28 But you wore a suit, now I wear a three-piece suit, doing a fire walk, right? But I was up there on the stage and he goes, Tony, I watch you up there and he goes, I watch the split coming off you and I watch your tie, get redder and redder and I don't know what's on the bottom. He goes, this mother, you know what, can jump and do this stuff.

Starting point is 00:47:44 I guess I can do it too. So people start out very skeptical, but after a while, you can't fake it. Four days and five nights, and I can't make it for 40. This is my 45th year doing this stuff. Start with a 17. Now 20, you mentioned,

Starting point is 00:47:58 and this was something, a selfish question that I wanted to talk to you about, about being poor, and then obviously, you're not poor anymore. So I would love for you to take me on the kind of journey and evolution of money in your life. Like how was that changed? I know I came from not very much,

Starting point is 00:48:14 and I had a bad relationship with money when I first got it. Did you experience some more things or what was it like for your journey? I had four different fathers, and my mother was a little bit crazy. I wouldn't be who I am without her as an incredible soul, but when she took alcohol and prescription drugs, she got insane. And so I had to become a practical psychologist, first to deal with things, but what I didn't

Starting point is 00:48:35 understand was all the arguments because we don't have money for food. That's why I feel 100 million people a year, 100 million meals a year is like, it's not because I'm such a nice person. I know what suffering feels like, so I started feeding two families when I was 17 and four and eight, but back in those days, it was pretty rough, and so all the complaints when she divorced my father's was, they didn't take care of us. So in my head, it's like, boy, you better be successful financially, you're not going to have a family, as a little boy. And I got older and realized, if it wasn't money, they would have argued over something else. The money was one of the reasons, but it's not the real reason. It's usually

Starting point is 00:49:08 something deeper. But I went out and made a lot of money in a young age. I could told you, 19, I'm making more money than most people would ever dream of. And I did it by doing something I believed in that was so valuable and people were willing to pay for it. But then I go back to my buddies, I grew up with, and like I'd say, let's go, let's fly to Egypt and let's race camels between the pyramids. You should be like, did you really do that?

Starting point is 00:49:32 Did you really do that? I'm so, really, really, not. You race camels. If I come to you, you're gonna lose to me. You're gonna lose to me. They're the hardest hell in the world. Not good, they're just an original bucket. But the response I got was not your response.

Starting point is 00:49:45 The response was, oh, easy for you. Now y'all ball this money. And I'm a love bug, right? So what I really want is love. And so I know I can see it now what happened. It's like, I was like, I'm not about money. I say, I'll pay for it. Yeah, you'll pay for it.

Starting point is 00:49:58 And I got rid of all the money. I didn't do it consciously. I just started sabotaging myself. Because when I really wanted, was was joy and love and friendship. I wanted everybody to have a great time and have a great life. I wasn't about me ego saying I'm taking you to Egypt or some shit like that. I wasn't what I was about.

Starting point is 00:50:14 But it was so harsh and I felt so judged. So I lost everything. I went totally broke. I moved in this little apartment in Venice, California, it was 400 square feet, watching my dishes on a little plate on top of the trash can, or you're a hot plate, watching the dishes cooking there.

Starting point is 00:50:32 Watching dishes in the bath tub, literally. And then I started, I never did drugs because people in my life when I was a kid, the drugs were really intensely abusive physically. And I experienced that, so I never did that, but I used to feel like a drug. And I would just sit there and eat and eat and eat. And I used to make fun of people who used to sit and watch TV.

Starting point is 00:50:48 And I'd be sitting watching Luke and Laura on General Hospital. This is a stupid thing here. And then I hit this time where I hit a threshold. I lost everything. I was so broke. I remember the day I was driving at how much share people's story before, but I was driving home my, well, 260 dots and along Pacifico's highway going towards Venice,

Starting point is 00:51:07 and I ran out of gas, and I didn't run out of gas because I forgot to fill the tank. I ran out of gas because I had no money for fuel. And I pulled over to Lockhecar and prayed they didn't tell I had one tow before, and I couldn't pay for $40 or $60 to get it out of the tow place. And I walked home, and as I walked home, it's getting dark, and I lived on Pacific Avenue,

Starting point is 00:51:24 25-16 Pacific Avenue, apartment 3A. I walked up the steps and I get the top of Sunsetting, I barely see, and there's a note stapled to my front door. And I don't know if any of the boys have ever had this experience in your lifetime. But it's a document it's called Quitter Claim, it says, remove yourself in your things, pay your rent or remove yourself or to share or do it in three days. So it's my picture notice. So I take the damn thing off and,

Starting point is 00:51:50 you know, I go inside the house, it's dark, and I light a candle, not because I was spiritual because I also had not paid the electric bill to store it to the store. I had not paid the electric bill. So I'm reading my candle like my picture notice and going, what the, you know, what? I was so angry.

Starting point is 00:52:05 And then if that wasn't enough, it's like, God has your way with you. You know, it's like, there's a knock on the door. I'm not gonna door it. Like, I hope people money everywhere. I'm like, oh no. I'm on the second floor of this little place. Like, who the hell is that?

Starting point is 00:52:15 And I got three locks on the outside here. I'm looking through the, and it's a guy I haven't seen in a friend of mine in probably two years. And he's a good guy, but it's like I was so humiliated. You know, I was 38 pounds heavier. I got this ugly looking little beard, that was a spragable beard. And I just, and I'm in this little room.

Starting point is 00:52:32 I'm just smaller than the corner of this room over here. Right, I had a bed and I had a desk and that was it, right? And so I opened the door, what do you want? And he's like, looks at me. Anyway, he came in, what the hell happened to you? It's like, what are you talking Anyway, he came in, what the hell happened to you? It's like, we were talking about, I lived near the beach. And I love it here, you know?

Starting point is 00:52:50 And it's like, it's like, when he left, something in me snapped. And I'm like, I didn't know I was doing that good, but my instincts, now I know physiologically I was doing, I just said, I am gonna go, I'm gonna go on a run. I'm gonna run till I spit blood. I'm gonna run till I can't, my heart's beating out of my chest. And I know it's changing physiology,

Starting point is 00:53:10 it changes biochemistry, it changes the way you think. But yeah, I'm old enough, I have this walk man, I don't know if you guys ever had a walk man. You never walk man, you're like, oh shit. Oh shit. So, you know, they were this big in those days and giant headphones, you know.

Starting point is 00:53:21 And I went to the beach, I took this journal, I set it down and I, you know, nose bays, you didn't have 10,000 songs, you had one album maybe. And you had to read my manuscript. You had to put the tape on. You had to put the tape on. And so I had this group called Heart

Starting point is 00:53:34 and they had this song called Barakuda. Oh, man. Oh, man. So I'm on a beach. And I'm just, I am, and I am completely out of shape. My stomach's going back and forth. And I'm running as hard as I could run and when I thought I couldn't run more,

Starting point is 00:53:44 I run harder and finally, I was like, literally felt like I was gonna throw forth. And I'm running as hard as I could run, and when I thought I couldn't run more, I run harder, and finally, I was literally felt like I was gonna throw up. And I got back to the journal, like, draw a line down the page, but everything on the page I wanted to change, and everything I was, and everything I wanted to change. And then I started making shifts. And so once I made the shifts in my psychology,

Starting point is 00:54:00 I was like, okay, if I could be more spiritual, should I? Of course. If I could be more giving, should I? Of course. If I could be more giving should I? Of course. If I could be smarter, should I work to be smarter? Of course. Well, if I could have more money, should I? It's like, of course. And then so then I started changing my body. I lost 30 pounds and I'm 38 pounds and changed my emotions. And then I went in one year for making 38,000 was the most I ever made in my life to 1.1 million dollars and the biggest trigger for me it's different for everybody was I suddenly had a son on the way that was not planned and I'd always swore I would not have a child because what I went through until I was wealthy well that was inconvenient and I did it in

Starting point is 00:54:42 one year I made this big jump then I made a million bucks a year for like seven straight years. Like once your brain adjusts, it's really amazing. I know you guys have got great abundance in your life. You've earned, but I built four more companies. I was living on the road. I remember I was in this place. I was in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and I just traveled constantly. I didn't have a plane, right?

Starting point is 00:55:01 So I'm flying commercial and those days I'm flying coach and I'm bigger than any chair they're gonna put me in. And they booked me in this place and you know, like three different cities I'd go through to get to Milwaukee and it's snowy and ugly. It wasn't snowy, it was icy and snowy. And they booked, somebody booked me into the Ramata Inn. This is not a bad thing, but this one was bad.

Starting point is 00:55:21 And there's like all these animals on the wall and I was a vegan at the time. And they're all mill doing and smelling. And I go to the front desk and it's almost two in the morning, put out my get there. And the guys like Robbins quick, quick, quick, quick, nope. You know, like, you know, you're on a plane. You've been flying forever. And like those last five minutes when you're standing up and they call you, I'm like, sir, I's like, I know you care. I know, I need you to find my room really right now. I've had a full day. I got to be up in four and a half hours. And it was my birthday. And I'm way from my family. So I have a long story short, I need you to find my room really right now. I've had a full day, I gotta be up in 4 and F hour,

Starting point is 00:55:45 and it was my birthday, and I'm way from my family. So, I have a long story short, I go upstairs, I get caramel and like I do, it's never been home in a that hour. He is probably gonna give you the presidential suite since it's your birthday. I wonder what that looks like at the remind again, right? I wouldn't have, first the smell hits you,

Starting point is 00:56:00 the mildy smell. Next, orange and green shag carpeting year 1970s, right? But I was just, I call my family and this was a tipping point to change my life financially. Because I was already doing well, but I had no lifestyle. And so I call back home when it speaks to my kids, it's late for them and they woke them up. But the woman answers is Maria who was my housekeeper and took care of my kids, really beautiful lady and she says, Mr. Oven's happy birthday. I'm so glad you called.

Starting point is 00:56:26 This is so amazing. I've wanted to thank you so much. And by the way, I don't think I've, have you noticed what's happened in my body? And I'm like, well, yes, Maria, what is happened? She goes, I have lost 32 pounds practicing what you teach. She says it's amazing. She goes, you know, yesterday, she said I was in your sauna and I was just sweating like crazy.

Starting point is 00:56:47 And it was right after I had watched Oprah while I was on the stepper and she said, I was thinking, I am so lucky, I live in this castle. This is amazing. And she goes, the last night I was sitting here, Jacuzzi, you know, looking down on the water. And I literally, this is a true story. And then literally I thought to myself,

Starting point is 00:57:02 this bitch is welcome. I don't know about the money. when I got to myself, this bitch is laughing. I don't have the money. Can I sell it around that? So that was the next level. When I snapped, it was like, okay, I'm getting a million bucks because I had a reason beyond me. I was like, what would take it to the next level? And it's different, but I'm not saying it's right forever,

Starting point is 00:57:18 but I'm driven by contribution. So there was this man who fed all the people in San Diego, or fed it, it's like one of the homeless people in San Diego. Brother Beno was his name and he made these breads. So I called him up and I said, how much would it take to feed every person in San Diego I need? He goes, I don't know, I said, go to your home,

Starting point is 00:57:36 I said, because I want to fund that within three to four years. And he came back and it was three million bucks and I was like, fuck, you're in that box, you know? That's a lot of money. I made three million bucks the next year. And I funded it, and I was like, people in that box, you know, that's a lot of money. I made three million bucks the next year. And I find it, by the way, I went back like 20 years later, he's now passed away as a beautiful man.

Starting point is 00:57:51 And I have four centers that, the original ones that I started there, they still feed people with there. So then I got hooked on contribution. And I've certainly had lifestyle because who you spend time with, changes how you think about things as well. And so I developed a different peer group. They were all billionaires.

Starting point is 00:58:05 I was coaching different people. So I'm getting their private jets and everything else and having this experience and thinking, I don't see any way I could ever do this. But I was wrong. It takes time. And I started to develop more skills and I started to figure out how to really run businesses.

Starting point is 00:58:21 I have 105 companies now. I do $7 billion in business across all these industries from entertainment to education to AI. And I know what to do in those areas. That's why I hope business is one of my favorite things, is turning businesses around and showing how to grow a business. But along the way, I remember on my friend Peter Goober, I was with him on a trip and all these guys were saying,

Starting point is 00:58:40 Peter's going to be $25 million on this one film. And Peter doesn't talk about stuff like that. He's not driven by ego, but the other people are all talking about it. And I remember I was like so depressed, like I can never make $25 million. I mean, and then they all had yachts. And they didn't even want a yacht,

Starting point is 00:58:56 but I just felt like I didn't belong there. I don't know if you've ever had that experience. And then you know when I came out and said, I don't really want a yacht. And I don't even want $25 million, but I want to make sure I can do whatever I want. If I wanted to, you know, I was feeding people already at that time.

Starting point is 00:59:08 If I wanted to feed, I didn't think of a billion at that time, 50,000 people, I want to be able to do that, you know? So again, I found my triggers. And then, you know, three or four years later, I'm, I haven't a year, you know, I made $50 million. And then I took a company back and made $400 million. And so, but what's interesting, when I got the 400 million, I made $50 million. Then I took company back and made $400 million. And so, but what's interesting, when I got the 400 million, I was on stage in the Continental

Starting point is 00:59:31 Center, New York, 15,000 people doing I love. I was out of my mind. And during a stretch break, I came up and said, company went public, your stocks are $400 million. I talked to my other assets. And I was like, that's insane. That's incredible. And then I went right back to what I was doing, didn't change the damn thing. And I went home that night and I was actually depressed. I never depressed. It's actually a common thing when people hit like a reach something like that.

Starting point is 00:59:55 Well, you know, the three guys on the wall there, not Tom Brady, he, not him, but two Olympians over there, you just saw their friends of mine. When they came here to talk to that day, they both talked about achieving the golden and being depressed. And I'm old enough to remember there's just a thing called VH1, they had this thing called Behind the Music and it was always a story. It's like you're not involved. It was always sort of a band that they needed to the teeth and then somebody killed

Starting point is 01:00:15 themself or they got a car accident or something. It was always the same story. And these times that way was I was not happy in my relationship. So here from my mom I thought thought money was gonna be the solution. I know I never get a divorce, but I was with somebody that was a good person, but we had almost nothing in common. And I had changed myself to pleaser. Like the guy you see on stage, I'm the same guy.

Starting point is 01:00:35 But I go home and try to be more quiet, try to be this, and I was trying to be a pleaser. And it made me so miserable. I said, I'm gonna change my life. So I went back to almost nothing financially, because she got like eight times multiple of my companies. And there were small companies in those days. They depended upon me.

Starting point is 01:00:52 So I had to work, start over, work a whole nother period of time. The company took public. That was 1999, stock dropped through the floor. Well, so I literally was starting over at 40. But now I'm light years from where I was back then, beyond where I was back then. And I'm grateful because I trust in higher power and guidance and doing the right thing.

Starting point is 01:01:11 I've learned so many things that truthfully, I don't know if I would have been as driven, I still would be for impact because it still drives me, it's never been money. But my journey has been money's evil, money's the answer, money's evil, so get rid of it, people won't love you, you'll be judged to screw that shit I'm gonna be abundant and everything to wow. Let's do this in other scale to like I got to a point where it's like

Starting point is 01:01:34 I'm an island. I have planes. I never be DJ. I got all these crazy things. I'm a braggist. You could take all that shit away And I'm still the man I became but I got to a point like what's next and? And then it was like, what's always driven me as contribution. So that's when I came up with like, okay, I called my team and I said, I was doing money master the game. And I mean, there are these billionaires, great guys.

Starting point is 01:01:55 And then I watched Congress cut the budget on food stamps called SNAP program now. And it was six billion if I remember right. It was equivalent if everybody's needs food, giving up a week's worth of their food once a month, unless you and I, people from the general public stepped in. So I said, how many people I've had this at 42 million? I didn't know it was 42 million. I was like, I'm being proud. I was like, what if I did that in a year instead of a lifetime? What if I've had 50 million people? And then my brain went, what if I've had a hundred million? Then I was like, what if I've had a billion people in 10 years? And I I got so excited and I was like, okay, I'll give all the profits of my book.

Starting point is 01:02:27 That's not gonna be enough, but it's good start. And then I contacted feeding America and became partners with them. And now seven years later, we're at 850 million meals on the way to a billion. I'm actually doing a billion person ex-price to have sustainably a billion people around the world. I've got the heads of the UAE who partnered with me. I put up a million, they put up 19 million of a prize. So all these people are competing,

Starting point is 01:02:48 smartest people in the world about, how do we find food sources? But then it was like, okay, I got a plane. Like, what's my, I want to be conscious. It's a privilege, but I want to be conscious. What does that do? Well, I found out my burn rate was 3000 trees a year based on what I was doing. So I didn't just go buy credits, I bought them for 10 years,

Starting point is 01:03:06 but I said, I'm gonna plant a hundred million trees. So now I planted 71 million trees. I went to India, watching these children die of waterborne disease is so easy to solve. So I was like, I provide a quarter million people a day with fresh water in India, families, I'm trying to get it to a million, that's the goal. And so that's the shit that drives me now,

Starting point is 01:03:23 and that's the place that I wasn't at at 40. So it's pretty hard to be at the 40. But if you guys continue to grow, you can pick whatever that version is for you, but I'll tell you, there's nothing like helping someone who can't even thank you. What it does inside you, if they never said anything to me, you know?

Starting point is 01:03:41 It's a different world. What do you think, what do you think is the number one thing you're misunderstood about? I don't know, I don't different world. What do you think? What do you think is the number one thing you're misunderstood about? I don't know, I don't try to get people said. I think some people think I'm positive thinking and I've never believed in positive thinking. I believe in intelligence. I believe in seeing it as it is, not worse than it is though.

Starting point is 01:03:57 And then doing some about it. Like don't go to your garden and go, there's no weeds, there's no weeds and chant a bunch of shit. Pull the goddamn weeds out. That's it. So I think some people may think that about me, but I really don't think about her care. I'm not here to try to convince somebody

Starting point is 01:04:08 who with how I am, you're wasting your time. I'm here for people that are looking for answers and are open, and I like to talk about ideas that matter to the people who care. That's kind of the approach I learned from my teacher Jim Rohn years and years ago. Where are some of the most common ways people are in their own way?

Starting point is 01:04:24 Because I know you work with a lot of people, have you seen commonalities of reasons why people just get hit a block? Well, yes, there are many, but one of the largest ones is we all have the same need structures I discovered by being around, you know, I'm a student of patterns. And when you've been to a hundred and nine five countries and all these cultures, you start seeing, you see the same pattern, different cultures. People raised different, same pattern, same emotions,

Starting point is 01:04:48 same problems. And so I began to realize we have the same needs. We might have different belief systems. We might have different even values, but we have certain needs. Everybody needs certainty to some level. Some people value certain needs. The number one thing is that they live a life differently. Some people, it's the sixth thing on the list, so it's still needed, but it's not as big a priority. We all need uncertainty. Without variety, we feel that inside, right? So too much certainty aboard out of your mind, too much variety of freaked out.

Starting point is 01:05:15 You don't wanna be lukewarm middle, you wanna learn how to use them both. So, do you ever watch a movie you've already seen before? Yeah. What's wrong with you? Okay. You know, I have to. Why do we do that? You're certain it's good.

Starting point is 01:05:26 You think it's been long enough that you'll still get variety from it. You forgot enough to be right. Otherwise, you wouldn't do it, right? So you can meet more than one need at one time instead of having them be parted. But the one that messes people up the most is we all have a need for significance to feel important, to feel special, to feel unique, to feel needed. Everybody has that need. Some people do it by the way they dress.

Starting point is 01:05:46 Some people do it by developing themselves, the hard way they're body, and doing something unique with their life. Some people do it by being more generous. Some people do it by tearing other people down. Like everything you can get certainty by, you know, drugging yourself, or you get certainty by working your ass off, working out,

Starting point is 01:06:03 and feeling so strong, you feel certain, or you get certainty by trusting in God or looking your own life and saying, I've always figured out, I'll figure this out as well. So you can get your needs met in a negative way, a neutral or a positive way. How you meet them changes your life. But also everyone has the same needs, but we have different sequences of how we value them. So our culture today, and especially social media, has made significance number one. And so you see people like Billy will tell you, like he's the answer to this on a gym. And at first time he told me this,

Starting point is 01:06:33 I couldn't believe he goes, just see this, this one, men and women both do this. Come in, they lay out everything, see all these pictures and then post them, and they don't work out. It's just like it's all bullshit. It's all just to look good, right? It's all projection.

Starting point is 01:06:47 And then people watch Facebook, oh, not like them and then they get depressed and messed up. So that need for significance is a good need to have a significant light, an important light, a unique life. But when it's number one above love, or above growth, or above contribution, it's gonna mess up your relationship. You get two people who are significant

Starting point is 01:07:07 to driven at the top, and they basically wanna kill each other. And unfortunately, our culture is reinforced. Our culture is certainty and significance at this stage. People on certainty, that's people at home with their mask and everything else, they're in the car and a mask and there's nobody with them. There's a guy in a paddle board out here, wearing a mask, but there's nobody around him. There's a guy in a paddleboard out here wearing a mask.

Starting point is 01:07:25 There's nobody around him. I'm like, what is going on, but certainty. Absolute certainty. It's number one for him. I know it's just looking at him, right? So there's nothing wrong with any of these. But if you think about it, you can even have the same need but you have different ways of knowing the needs met.

Starting point is 01:07:39 So 9-11, you had firemen and policemen who went up there, knowing they're likely weren't going to come out and gave their life. Why? Because they wanted to be a hero, they wanted a significant life, they wanted life to have special meaning, even if it meant death. That's how strong the drive is. But you also have a son of Ben Laden who got significance by destroying 3,000 people's lives and buildings, but he didn't do shit. He didn't take any risk. He got other people to do it. He's one of, I forget it, it is like 27 children,

Starting point is 01:08:09 and he didn't matter to his father much. At least he didn't perceive he did, but he goes to Afghanistan with his daddy's money, the biggest construction guy in Saudi Arabia, and all of a sudden, he gives his money and he's a hero. And so people are shaped by these needs, but the ones that are mislead like if you if your love is first or if growth is first, so that it's certainly, uncertainty, significance, love, both expressing and receiving, growth and contribution.

Starting point is 01:08:35 Everybody needs the first four, because they're survival. But the ones that make you fulfilled are growth and contribution. So it's like you see people and they go, what's the secret to happiness? I always say one word, progress. Progress equals happiness. If you've ever achieved the goal and then what is this all there is, you know it's not getting it. Or even if it's achieved the goal and you were thrilled how long were you happy for? A year, nine months, six months, three weeks, three days, three hours. Most people are somewhere between three hours and three weeks, maybe three months, because we're not made to just sit here and be satisfied. Everything in the universe grows or dies. Everything in the universe either contributes or is eliminated. So when you're making progress,

Starting point is 01:09:13 you feel alive. When you achieve something, if you sit at the table of success too long, you're bored and fat, you know, it's horrible. So I try to show people how to make those higher needs be met, because you can lie to yourself and make yourself certain. You can feel significant by turning somebody else down. That's what most people do. Sit on their little computer and type shit. You know, they never say it to your face. No.

Starting point is 01:09:32 You know, not especially not you guys. Probably not me, but they'll do it there. Why? Cause it's their way to instantly get significance without doing anything. If I make you look smaller, I have the illusion I'm bigger, but it's an illusion. Where do you think we're going with like social media and the metaverse and web three?

Starting point is 01:09:47 What are your thoughts on that? You think it's good or bad? Well, it doesn't matter what I think because it's going to happen regardless. So electricity can light up a city or kill someone. It depends on how you use it, right? So my hope is that social media there will be alternatives that provide freedom. I think the biggest challenge is social media besides I I'm sure you guys all see in social dilemma, and you know how the treateness like rats,

Starting point is 01:10:08 using our dopamine centers and making us do crazy stupid things and separating us. But I think human beings are getting to a threshold, just like COVID is getting to a threshold. You know, you've seen them countries now dropping in all part of its political, and they're gonna be thrown out. You know, people are fed up.

Starting point is 01:10:22 They wanna go back to their lives. And there's a lot of science that shows that it's evolved. It's very different than what we're told initially. So I think we're hitting thresholds around social media. I don't think we're there yet. And you know, already seen for the first time Facebook lost members for the first time bus quarter. The numbers are down.

Starting point is 01:10:38 I'm sure, you know, he wants to be met and now and you know, go to the Metaverse. And the Metaverse is actually, I had a VR company I sold it to Apple and they haven't come out with what they're going to do. But I know to some extent what they're going, they don't tell you beyond what we knew initially. But you think about it. What is it at? 8K is what they're targeting. A year and a half later it'll be 16K, year and a half later, year and a half later it'll be 32K. Between 32K and 64K, you can't tell the germs to be in this virtual reality. So we're probably somewhere between four

Starting point is 01:11:07 and six years away from that, and it's gonna be a different world. And just like right now, you know, I'm not a gamer, because I grew up in a different generation, and also I just want the time. I know I'm an addictive personality, so I don't do it. But you know, gaming can give you some interesting skills.

Starting point is 01:11:21 You know, I'm an esports team, you know, team liquid, one of the best teams. These guys are making years, who's to say, what are you doing game? All these guys make a million, a million, two million, five endorsements. They can make three or four, five million. You're teaching other guys how to play

Starting point is 01:11:33 on various platforms. So there's options that are there, but I think the real challenge for humanity is gonna be how do we keep growing, especially when also so many jobs are going to be wiped out by everything from AI to robotics to nanotechnology. You know, you look 20 years in the future, that probably sounds like a lot to you.

Starting point is 01:11:53 It sounds like a lot to most people, but when you're 60, you feel differently. It'll go like that. And I got, you know, $48 a year and a 10 month old daughter and five grandchildren, I look around at my kids and go like grandkids and say, half of what they know is their job is going to be gone. So how do I help them succeed? I need to teach them the three things that aren't going to go away when those jobs go away. There's three master skills. Every one of you have it. I'm not going to smoke

Starting point is 01:12:16 your way, but you have it. I know it because of what you've produced. The first skill that makes somebody great in business, finance, your body, relationship, parenting, anything. It's pattern recognition. I go out to people right now, look around the world, oh my god, this is all chaos. It's not chaos. It looks like chaos. If you study history, you know, there are seasons, we're in a winter, no pandemic lasts forever, no war lasts forever.

Starting point is 01:12:39 Spring is coming. That doesn't mean there are going to be challenges, but the overall themes will change over time. We've probably got six, seven more years if something like this. We're going to have to deal with China and a bunch of other things that are coming up. But, all those seasons are really helpful. If you're born in 1910 and you come of age 19 years old, that was 1929. They saw the end of World War One look like great, roaring 20s cars, and they were going to go party. Nature 19, the world looks like it's over. Oh, by the way, they make it through those 10 years to make it to 29 years old.

Starting point is 01:13:09 And it's 1939. And the whole world is at war and Hitler looks like he's winning. And they were flappers. They were like, what do you hear people talk about millennials, you know, now, oh, they, you know, there's snowflakes and all that. And Z generations now tell millennials, you're old. You part your hair in the wrong location. Like that. You know, it's absurd. But here's the good news. Those demands made those people what we call the greatest generation. Okay, as they came back, they were the heroes and then they started a new season, a springtime.

Starting point is 01:13:39 The late 40s, 50s, to early 60s, till Kennedy was shot was a different season. Right? That was a different season, right? That was a new springtime. Growth is easy, just like the stage of life growth is easy. Then we went through the hot summer where there's internal conflict. Think about how different the 60s and 70s were from the 40s and 50s after World War II. Then you got the 80s, 90s, 2000s and everything changes. People are about pragmatic, making money, doing these pieces, not everybody, but the culture changed. And we're right now wearing winter again. And we're about halfway through it. Probably it's probably another seven years, eight years to paying fine studies. And so, here's the history of the world. Week people, we'll start with, say, good times make weak people.

Starting point is 01:14:20 I was just going to ask you if you believe in that proverb. That's such a great thing. So to weak people make bad times. Bad times make strong people, strong people make great people. I was just going to ask if you believe in that proverb. That's such a great story. So to weak people make bad times. Bad times make strong people, strong people make great times. That's the history of the world. And so you don't have to be part of the pattern. I got to have been flooring. You know, winter somewhere else is pretty bad. Winter is pretty nice, as you notice today. It's 78 degrees. We're doing great. So you don't have to be what everybody else is, but you do have to learn how to use the seasons of your life. And I think that's what's really missing. That's what people do in the lost perspective.

Starting point is 01:14:47 So if you have pattern recognition, you recognize patterns in business or in finance, you have power. It's not chaos. Patterns of history, you got power. Patterns of life stages is something I study, right? So you understand where things are going. And then the second skill is pattern utilization. Because if you recognize the pattern, the real keys can you use it? Like, can you use

Starting point is 01:15:07 stress, not let stress use you? Can I use the changes in the culture to go to another level? I'm reaching 2.7 million people this year instead of quarter million people traveling to 15 city, excuse me, 125 cities in 15 countries. I'm home with my kids and coming to good time. I took advantage of COVID, not like COVID take advantage of me. That's not easy, but it's doable. And so the third one is pattern creation, which is I'm sure what you guys have done, right? You probably start out learning and studying other people.

Starting point is 01:15:34 So you studied so many things. Now you create your own patterns for your workout. You know what it is. You know how to get precise. You got the history. You play someone else's music on the piano. And one day, you know enough, you can put your own music. And that's what you want to do with anything. So anything you want to master, your finances, your business,

Starting point is 01:15:49 parenting, your body, you got to make it a study of mastery, not a dabbling. And you guys aren't dabblers. So you understand what I'm talking about. And you know, pattern recognition, you could look at somebody probably go, this is what they need. Like that, right guys? Because this is your domain. I would encourage all of your viewers, especially the young ones, decide there's a few domains to master. One is what you're doing. I do it to my endurance side. But the other is their emotions, those are relationships, those are the finances. And then maybe this thing of spiritual joy and happiness that really comes from not having life be so much about you or maybe about something bigger. Well, well, this has been amazing. Yeah. I really enjoy talking to you. You are everything people say you are. Thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank you for showing this

Starting point is 01:16:35 round too. Thank you. Thank you very much. I hope you're people pick up life force. It's like I said, I'm donating all the profits out there. I don't get anything out of it, but they will. And it's three year project. I want them to know these tools that can change their life I highly recommend it to my viewers. Yeah, sure. Well, thanks for coming. Thank you Thank you for listening to Mind Pump if your goal is to build and shape your body dramatically improve your health and energy and maximize your overall performance check out our discounted RGB Superbumble at mind pump media dot com the RGB Superbundle at MindPumpMedia.com. The RGB Superbundle includes maps and a ballad, maps for performance, and maps aesthetic.

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