Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1806: The Best Way to Work Out Without Equipment, All-Day Workouts For Accelerated Muscle Gain, How to Determine How Fast Your Metabolism Is & More

Episode Date: May 4, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: When it comes to resistance training, it is a SKILL. The MOST important factors with resistance training are FORM, TECHNIQUE, and CONTROL. (2:43) Becoming aware and dealing with your impulses. (13:02) The good, the bad, and the ugly in Salt Lake City. (21:00) Have women been shaming men since the beginning of time? (30:02) Stunning statistics of Americans’ view on cremation. (37:08) Busting the myths around the popular narratives surrounding millionaires and billionaires. (40:54) Public Goods, a hedge to protect yourself from inflation. (50:23) The changing trends in people returning to the gym. (52:44) If you’re feeling anxious, put on blue-blocking glasses! (58:30) #ListenerLive question #1 - Is weight lifting hurting my progress in break dancing? (1:00:19) #ListenerLive question #2 - Any suggestions to maintain muscle when working in a remote location with limited equipment? (1:13:01) #ListenerLive question #3 – Am I wasting my time by breaking up my workouts, being a shift-worker, and not wanting to impact my sleep? (1:21:23) #ListenerLive question #4 - How do I determine my caloric intake based on my activity level? (1:32:54) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Visit Public Goods for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Receive $15 off your first Public Goods order with NO MINIMUM purchase** Visit Felix Gray for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! May Promotion: MAPS Starter Bundle and MAPS Spilt 50% off! **Promo code MAYSPECIAL at checkout** Mind Pump #1727: Ten Traits Of Successful Lifters Jordan Peterson Post - “Women have been making men feel self-conscious since the beginning of time.” The stunning rise of cremation reveals America’s changing idea of death Megan Fox says she and Machine Gun Kelly drink each other’s blood ‘for ritual purposes’ Visit From You Flowers for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Ultra Wealthy Population Analysis: The World Ultra Wealth Report 2019 The Millionaire Next Door: The Surprising Secrets of America’s Wealthy Governor Ron DeSantis Signs Financial Literacy Bill to Support Florida’s Students Mind Pump Store @jasonfurman Twitter post - “People still buying lots of sports equipment, but not returning to gym.” Visit Drink LMNT for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! MAPS Fitness Performance MAPS Fitness Anywhere MAPS Suspension Training Bigger Leaner Stronger: The Simple Science of Building the Ultimate Male Body Mind Pump #1487: The Best Way For First Responders To Stay In Shape MAPS Fitness Anabolic MAPS O.C.R. MAPS Macro Calculator Mind Pump #1387: Turning Your Body Into A Fat-Burning Machine Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Jordan Peterson (@jordan.b.peterson)  Instagram Vicki Reynolds (@vicki__reynolds)  Instagram Mike Matthews (@muscleforlifefitness)  Instagram

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Listen, when it comes to resistance training, it's a skill. What does that mean? That means the most important factor with resistance training is form, technique, and control. It's more important than all the other factors. I feel like you're saying that just so you can make a case that you're athletic.

You're not, you're not, you're not. Feel that way? You're saying? I feel that way. I feel like you're just trying to make a case that you're not like to. No, you know whatays and gays. I'm saying this. I'm like, look guys. Because you know what I'm saying this?

Because I look, we all do this, but I definitely would fell prey to this. And I still can sometimes, where there's lots of factors that make resistance training what it is. Obviously the form of technique, which is what makes the exercise the exercise? Because it's the value.

Then there's the amount of weight that you lift. That's the one that sometimes all value above, form and technique. It could be the intensity. It could be the pump, the feel out of the stuff. But the truth is, if an exercise could get a rating, it's the form and technique that gives it the highest rating. If the form and technique is off, the amount of weight that you lift and all the other stuff

is way less impact. Well, because you're building good habits with that. Otherwise, if we're just focused on any of the other metrics that involves, you know, an exercise, we could get, we could move the weight in an undesirable way, which now we're gonna start creating these problematic type patterns that, yes, you could probably increase the amount of load, but like what position are you placing your body in

and what are you actually training your body to do? For example, does it count to add weight to your bench press if you now are not going all the way down? Right. Or if you've seen it off your chest or using momentum. Right, and those are more extreme examples, but we make these little adjustments to our technique and form. I know I do, just so I can add more weight to the bar.

And what you're doing is you're trading one for the other and what you're trading is, you know, you're trading dimes for nickels. In other words, you're trading in form and technique for something that's actually less valuable. So, and the problem is with, this is all exercised, by the way. Okay, all exercise is a skill. In other words, running is a skill, cycling is a skill, resistance

training is a skill, yoga is a skill, right? If we, if we only think of it as a workout, like I'm here to get my shoulders tired, on my legs tired, or feel this on my biceps, and that's important, not saying that's not important. But what happens sometimes we ignore the skill aspect and we lose the value of the workout. So what that means is if you can go heavier, what you should ask yourself is can I make this better form? Can I make the form better and technique better, then it'll feel heavier just by doing that. What percentage do you think of that as due to impatience?

Oh, I think it's less than that, it's more ego. Yeah, I would say it definitely could be impatience, but maybe, yeah, both, I guess. The intensity with impatience, where they're like, I'm just gonna go harder, invasions, but maybe. Yeah, both, I guess. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. The intensity with the impatience, where they're like, I'm just gonna go harder, like some burning more calories. I could see that. I just wanna lose weight, or I just wanna, yeah,

try and get up as much as possible. I mean, I'm sure there's always an exception to the rule. I think it's mostly egoed. That's why I think men suffer from it more than women. I think women have their egos more in check when it comes to lifting. They're not drawn to the, I need to be the strongest chicken to gym,

you heard it every year. There's rare cases, there are some that say that, but for the most part, most women aren't caught up in that shit. It's normally a do thing to be so concerned about what everybody else is lifting compared to what they're lifting. And so they're always looking to lift more away. Yeah, it also is, you know, when we talk about the importance of getting stronger,

which it is very important, it's a wonderful metric, especially in your first few years of exercise, we place such a heavy emphasis on that that somebody might get the message that that's the most important. That's the only thing that they need to worry about. When in reality, that's if your form of technique

are excellent, if your form of technique is an excellent, perfect that. That'll make the exercise harder. It's getting increasing intensity, increase the tension. You don't need to add weight to the barn in order to do that. And it's an important thing to communicate because we don't look at resistance strength

or the forms of exercises skills. Whereas sports we do, right? If you were learning how to pitch a fastball, you never threw a fastball before, the coach wouldn't just be like, throw harder, throw harder, throw harder, right? They'd be like, okay, hold on, let me show you the technique. Let me make sure you're doing this right, position your foot here. Here's how you move your hand.

That's going to make you throw the ball faster, better than just throwing harder. Well, I used to work actually with, there's kind of a split and thought process with certain coaches and trainers of one camp being that we would like try to get into it as soon as possible and then kind of clean it up as you go in terms of like I'm going to teach you the squat but I'm not going to break it down to where you have to have like perfect form out of the gates. It's just like we're going to work with kind of what you're starting with and then we're going to clean it up and tweak things as we go to get there versus the other coach that really outlines

and defines the mechanics of it and specific slows it now and make sure everything's established 100% and then we start building on top of that. So it was always an interesting conversation because you could hear the argument, but I definitely leaned in one camp versus the other, which was kind of outlining it specifically first. So that's how I was that way as a coach,

but mainly not because I think I understood the science of it so much, as I saw that as the only real opportunity I had as a young trainer to help people. Yes. I didn't have a lot of, I didn't have a wealth of knowledge, but I did understand like exercises, the proper mechanics of the exercise.

And so it was a very easy way for me to be very meticulous about that. It's like, I can't talk very deep about nutrition. I don't know a lot about physiology yet. Like I didn't understand a lot of stuff at that point. But I knew for them. And so I became very meticulous about that to show there's my value, right?

So I would like really, really critique clients. And I really trained myself that way too. I wanted to be perfect. I wanted to every movement that I taught. And I would stay away from it. I stayed away from a lot of Olympic movements because of that. Oh, yeah. Because I didn't have good technique. I never had a coach. So I completely avoided lifting them. I also did that with a lot of stuff like squatting and deadlifting. The reason why I didn't teach my clients early on in my career, a lot of squatting and deadlifting was because I didn't have great technique. I avoided doing it because I didn't have great mechanics.

I knew I probably wouldn't be the greatest of coaches that way. So I stayed in kind of my wheelhouse, and that was the way I kind of built value as a coach early on was just being super meticulous about the movement. Well, what makes an exercise effective and safe versus what makes an exercise not effective and dangerous? It's the form and technique.

It's your ability to control it and it's your biomechanics. You can take a squat and it's not dangerous because your technique and your former excellent. Even at high intensities, your form and technique are so good that the risk factor for injury is really low. Well, you go 50% worse with your technique. Now you're doing a dangerous, not as effective exercise. So, when you look at the exercises, they're not interchangeable. It's not like, oh, this is all quad exercises. These are all hamstring exercises. So, I just

got to get the quad sword, get the hamstring sword, get the glute sword. I don't know. The value of the exercises is in the exercise itself, the technique and the form. So, perfect that. And the beauty of this is it'll give you, it'll pay you back dividends forever. It's something that will always pay dividends. You just try to keep lifting weight heavier and heavier weight for the rest of your lifted career watch what happens.

I know, I've hit that wall many times, so. Well, at least such a solid foundation that you know, if you stay there first for an extended period of time until you can really perfect form, then it allows you to flirt with the kind of the boundaries a little bit because you know what home-based looks and feels like. Whereas if you just kind of haphazardly build upon it

or go like the one method you were saying, Justin, where like, oh, just we'll work with your form and technique and we'll slowly coach along the way. Well, that person never feels what a solid foundation feels like, so how far off are you on that that squat or how far off am I on that dead life? You're molding Jello. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Ask God. I forgot who said this. It might have been Bruce Lee. So correct me if I'm wrong or you know, search someone watching well. But he said it was easier to teach a person who didn't know how to kick a proper

kick versus teach someone who learned how to kick wrong for years to teach them how to kick properly. Because it's so, so if you take somebody and you just don't worry too much about, yes. You take someone and you have them squat and deadlift and exercise with poor technique and think I'm gonna clean it up later, it's probably gonna be harder to backtrack

than it would be just to start from the beginning. Well, that's why if you ever talk to like a golf pro, they highly recommend if you're going to get into the sport of golfing at all to go have a professional actually right at the gates. Right at the gates. Because if you learn how to golf for a couple of years and just, which is one of the more technical sports

when you talk about movements and mechanics and you build the swing where you figure, you just kind of figure it out on your own, and then you get good enough to get the ball down, get the ball down the course, and then you decide, oh, let me go see a pro and teach you, and he has to completely tear apart your swing because it was so bad.

Oh, I went through this with just, because I hit a wall in terms of playing guitar. Like I got only so good on my own, because I taught myself from learning piano. So I learned piano, and it was actually structured all the intricate details of how to hold my hands, the whole deal, in terms of being able to learn chords and whatnot.

And so then I decided to just teach myself guitar, and then later on, because I hit a wall, and I wanted to learn new skills, is like every teacher that's tried to help me has had such a hard time. There's like, dude, okay, so just try this and like I know you're gonna do your own thing, but like I want you to do it this way.

And it's like, so I'm actually thinking I was talking about this with my youngest. Like he was flirting with the idea of like learning drums. And I'm like, I think I just need to start from scratch a new instrument and start all over, learn every little detail of how to hold it properly, how to do things and be meticulous about it so I can actually build on that.

I think I totally capped myself. Well, that's what it is. I think that's a great way to think about it too. I think the same way it's lifting. I think both can see progress, even the person that has kind of wavy, sloppy form. In the beginning, right? Yeah, at the beginning and get away with it,

but you're gonna reach your ceiling much faster that way. And you may, you actually may even see gains a little bit quicker because you just keep adding weight even though it's kind of sloppy. Versus the person who takes a little bit more time laying a good solid foundation, that person's ceiling is gonna be much higher. Total.

Very, very good point. All right, so Adam, tell me about your weekend. I've been very worried about you I've been checking in with trees. You guys had something you guys had something bad. The whole family I feel so I feel so bad for my wife, dude. She so we all three got the flu obviously probably yeah, okay, so and I didn't think I wasn't sure What I had I drove to work that day came to I came in got image leave South so fair no I got pregnant wife

I was a South paranoia actually Yeah, I just one look at you and I was you know, it's kind of funny was I was really annoyed I was just like fucking side drove all the way over here See my did a kid talk I'm like fucking talking shit like as I'm driving home and I'm so you might did a kitchen. I was like, I'm like fucking talking shit. Like as I'm driving home and I'm like, ooh. Ooh, oh shit, I gotta pull over this. I had to pull over the side of the freeway, bro. I pull over the side. On the freeway.

That's how bad it was. It was like, I, because I was in denial. I was just like, oh, this isn't the right. Oh wait, oh wait, I'll get home. And then I'm like, I don't think I'm gonna make you home, dude. I had to pull over the side of the freeway. And just fry the wheel. Yeah, I'm freaking on the side of the freeway,

just throwing up, man. I was like, oh shit. Okay, man, man, I'm a little sick. Yeah. So yeah, I went home and then, and Max and Katrina, same thing. They were already feeling it. So we actually, I slept in a separate room that night

because Max was already starting to feel kind of off and he was, and when he comes in her bed, in our bed, I won't be able to sleep, so I'll head to the other room. So we already slept separate. I was up early to work and felt off. And I told you guys, you weren't 100% sure. Yeah, I'm like, I don't feel right. I feel kind of off.

I might be coming down with something, I don't know, whatever. And then you sent me home and then that happened. And then I called Katrina. She's like, oh my gosh, I was literally like laying on the floor and had to call Jerry to come help me with Max because I didn't know what I was going to do because he's not feeling well. I couldn't take care of myself. I was like, oh my God, you're serious. Well, I'm on my way. So we get home. We were all sick. Luckily Katrina has the strongest immune system

of all of us. She was better within like 24 hours. Next day, she was already starting to feel better. By day two, she was feeling great, but Max and I still carried it through the entire week. But I tell you what though, complete transparency of the audience, that what I didn't realize, and it didn't hit me till about day three, was, man, this thing, the fevers were still coming,

I had the chills, I was just these migraines that were so bad. And what I didn't realize, because I was just thinking about the flu and, you know, getting better from throwing up, at that point, I'm only, I think I've had like a half a bowl of soup and water is like all I'm in taking. But I had just recently, maybe like three weeks ago, set something to Katrina. I was like, you know, I, I, I openly on the show, I talk about, anytime I take anything consistently,

I monitor myself and I try and go, okay, I've been taking that long enough or I've moved up because of the dependency like with caffeine or anything. And I just told her, I said, you know, I've been taking these cratum pills pretty consistently for a while. I need to come down from them.

I told her that and then I had told her, you know, I've been really pushing the caffeine lately. I said, I'm up to what I would consider my max. My max for me, so what I called my top threshold, where I always try and pull back is when I get to, I always will allow myself to have a cup of coffee in the morning, I love that. And then another cup or an energy drink.

That's kind of like my ceiling. And when I start to go beyond that, I go, okay, it's time to go back. Well, I was at a cup of coffee and two energy drinks. So what is that? 700, yeah. Some like that. Yeah.

700-ish milligrams of caffeine. Yeah, you will be, for just an instant. That's not me. That's my morning. Yeah, yeah. So that's normally, I allow myself to get there, but that's normally my reminder to myself, hey, it's time me. Justin, that's my morning. Yeah, yeah. So that's normally where I allow myself to get there, but that's normally my reminder to myself, hey, it's time to come back down.

So I literally had just told Katrina this that like, I knew that I was kind of at my peak or whatever, and I need to come back down. I didn't even dawn on me because all I was thinking about was being nauseous and not- So you're not drinking or taking anything? Yeah, so I'm not doing caffeine, I'm not doing creative, I'm not doing anything.

And day like three, I think it hits me that I'm like, well caffeine withdrawal sucks. It looks the same time. And cratering withdrawal can be nasty too, ever. Yes. So you had both, and you were just the sex in the vomit's brawl. It was a fucking shit.

Now how did you piece it together? Cause you probably think, I don't know about you, but I'd be like, oh, it's the flu, I still have it. So the reason why I thought it was something else was because I saw how Katrina got better. And I also noticed like my stool was normal. My stool was normal and I wasn't throwing up anymore. So no more in flu, something.

Yeah, no more of that. Except for the shitty feeling. Yeah, yeah, yeah, feeling like shit, that felt that, that was, but then I realized like, okay, I haven't had any caffeine, I hadn't had any cratum, and I went, oh wow, I was like, and I had known that I had just expressed that. So it wasn't like I was oblivious to where I was at.

I knew that I was at a high intake. So that's what really, what a dollar. What were your symptoms at this point? I kept, the fever kept coming back, right? So even after I had thought I had recovered from the flu, I'd get like these little mini fever spikes, where I'd spike back up to like 100, even 101, a couple times, the night sweats, chills.

I couldn't ever get the temperature right. I'd either be too hot, I'd be too cold. Yeah, I would think I was freezing, so I'd get all in sweats and a beanie and cover it up, the heater on the house. And then three hours later, I'd be I was freezing so I'd get all in sweats and a beanie and covered up the heater on the house and then Three hours later I'd be drenched in sweat at the peel all down and that's those are symptoms of Like opiate type because cratum acts on the opiate wrist up Yeah, even though it's not considered an opiate and it comes from a natural leaf

This is the this is the one crack on it This is also why by the way like we'd been approached before about advertising. We talked a long time ago, like years ago, when we first heard about CrateM. And I really think it's a great resource for somebody who has somebody in their family. I've actually turned several people that I know that were addicted to opiates onto it

as a way to come off of it, but it has addictive properties just like it. And like that or caffeine, you could take it a few times, you go like, oh wow, that feels really nice. It's kind of mellows me out, or relax me, can even be pain relief a little bit. And that can start as like, okay, I'll have a few of these. And then it becomes like, oh,

I'll have these every day for a little while. And I'll just do that for like a week. And then a week turns in just like anything else. And then the dose has to go up. Yeah, and then the dose, yeah. So, and I'm aware of that. Just, and I'm okay with it as long as I do what I always do, which is, oh, it's been a couple months.

I've been doing this consistently. It's time for me to come back to the other way. Just like I do with marijuana, caffeine, anything else. So, it was just bad timing for me. It was literally like right when I knew that I should have been coming the other way, and it didn't really kind of dawn on me until I was like, man, I should be feeling better. Yeah, you and I have that in should have been coming the other way. And it didn't really kind of dawn on me until I was like, man, I should be feeling better.

Yeah, you and I have that in common. I do the same thing. I go, I push something, push something, and then thank God, you know, we both, you're the same way. We have the self-awareness, but like, all right. I'm gonna pull back, but then you gotta go through like a two days or a week of feeling like garbage.

You're just grueling kind of detox. Yeah, so I mean, I, you know, I talk to Jessica about that for me too. And I'm like, I got to figure out how to deal with bad feelings. That's for me at least. I'm not talking about anybody. It's for me personally. How to deal with bad feelings because I find myself I want to run away from a bad feeling.

So I'll take something or do something to make myself feel better. But then that becomes an impulse. And then that becomes habit. And then you get to the point where you actually started getting diminishing returns, like the caffeine, right? You take some, feels good. something or do something to make myself feel better. But then that becomes an impulse, then that becomes habit, and then you get to the point where you actually started getting diminishing returns, like the caffeine, right? You take some, feels good, take more, take more.

Next thing you know I'm doing these crashes with energy and I'm like, what the, and I'm like, oh, I gotta back off. Well, here we go. I'm gonna have three days of whatever, but you were, it's, you know, I'm glad. I'm glad that you figured that out, because that's scary.

Like, what's wrong with me? Yeah, no, that many days. That many days, I mean, no, that many days. I mean, dude, I seriously, I felt like I felt I was in a diet. You're feeling it right now though. Yeah, no, I feel great today. No, it's like, I mean, what is that? How many days now?

It was a start of Thursday? Yeah, we're going out Friday. You're out now, so. Yeah, man, well, welcome back, bro. Let's get you a happy back. Justin, you had a good weekend, too. I had a whirlwind of a weekend. I love your text.

I don't know if you don't mind me sharing it. Yeah, I can't get salt all of people in Utah. No, I'm not gonna say all of it. This was the end of the trip. There was a ship sandwich here. It was in Salt Lake City for the gym. Anyway, we get a tax, right? He's up there with first gymnastics tournament. He's like, I'm finally like damn, he's like, I'm finally ready to relax. It's been a long weekend. They don't sell alcohol on Sundays up here. What the hell? Yeah. Dude, nothing was open at all.

Like, so I guess we'll start with the bad, right? So, yeah, I was like Sunday realizing that I guess like that curfew or something because it's like close to temple there in like downtown. Literally every store was closed. Our whole plan for the day was like, first of all, we had to sit through, I don't know, maybe five hours straight of just like, you know, kids competing. And the day before we were there for like just the morning and then we had the afternoon off

and we got to do some fun stuff with the Natural History Museum. You know, had a good time with the kids and all that but it was like the Sunday, we're like, okay, so I guess we're here, we're gonna watch them compete in their last events. And you didn't know when they were gonna go, their flight group was with this time,

whatever you just got to wait. And like, you're just sitting there, just like, I have, you know, when you get to that point where you're sitting there, and I'm like, I should be having like, you know, intimate conversations my wife, we should be like, you know, enjoying our time together. We were just like, both looked like, like the life force was just sucked out of us.

Just, oh, like the same music on repeat. You know, these like fluorescent lights, like cement floors, like we're sitting, when they're done, when they actually compete, then they have to go get their little metal. And that takes about another two hours before, like they finally get to their group. I mean, so is there a party you that kind of wishes

that your kid doesn't play, so you get the fuck out of there? We even were like this because like, if they qualified, they were gonna be like in nationals which means that we have to go to like Phoenix after this. This was like the last one in the season. Oh my God. And so we've been going like,

it's history on the streets. It's history on the streets. I know, isn't that? I wonder if my dad did that. You know, like with my god, and so we've been going like consists of dad and me, you're in tune with your sport. I know, isn't that? I wonder if my dad did that. You know, like with my sport, I never even thought of that. But I definitely had those feelings. Well, at least with football though, the game and you're done.

There's something consistently going on. This reminds me of judo and jiu-jitsu tournaments because go and you're there. It's all, because you gotta wait for your turn. If you don't show up on the mat, when they climb in, you're gonna fall. And you can't go get food because it's like, you don't know, you're gonna miss a window.

And so, you know, we're just, so nothing was open to eat and I'm just like, short way, you know, like, what the fuck? Like just like going crazy and then that's all finally done. So we go to, our whole plan was to go shopping in this one place that like, I got all these suggestions for things to do in Salt Lake, which was great, but like proximity, we didn't

have a car, so we had to like walk and then it was raining, all sorts of raining, and then it's just riddled with harm's people. Like, I don't know if this is a new thing, if that nobody was like, like, oh yeah, they're there. Yeah, not only are they there, but there's like a mentally deranged person in the middle of the street, like running, like throwing things as a guy fighting, some other guy across the street,

as a guy literally like smoking heroin as we walked by, I was like, wow, this is crazy. I didn't know that. I was like, hold my kids close, you know, and then it's all like, hey good thing, good thing liquor stores are closed. Yeah, you're already straight. Yeah, but so the only thing that was open to Starbucks is we're like, okay, we're catching

a second wind in there getting warm. You know, and anyway, we're trying to like find any store open nothing. Then finally later on in the day, we found out like another part, like, I don't know, like probably 50 minutes away was open. It was like a David Busters and some other thing. And so, and this is Courtney's personal health, because she just doesn't like being in groups of people

in the video game. And so I'm sitting there, I am geeking out with the kids and finally, and on something I can do. And she's just like, just drained of all life. And then we had to wait because we had to fly it at like 10, 50 at night to get back here and I didn't even go to bed to like one day or two nights and I airports a beast. Yeah, it's it takes forever to walk to your gate and so anyway it was

It was I was like what am I supposed to learn here God like what? What are you teaching me he's showing you that you're a good dad bro? How's your how did your kids like it? So it was yeah, so all that aside, like, they all loved it. Ever had actually crushed it, so proud of him. He did, he got first in his age group. Yes, for like two of the events, and then, you know, second and another one of them, I felt so bad though,

because like the first day, you were supposed to stay because they get like an initial award and then you have to come back for like the ceremony where they get the actual like metal and Courtney and I didn't know that and like so it was like three hours later. It was like 10 o'clock at night where they're handing them out and like are his coach calls a K so where's ever it you're supposed to get this I'm'm like, oh shit. So he didn't get his medal because of hard to link with C. That's gonna hog me dude. Oh man.

It's like just scratch that one off. So I thought you'd make him a bad about that. I'd make him with C. Get a wife something out. Yeah. Well, so we, actually the next day we met up, there's this guy there representing Ariel Sching, and he had a gold medal,

so he let like, ever it wear it, and it was like a real legit gold medal, I'm not saying picture, but what was cool about it was they are recruiting these kids because it translates super well to like, Ariel freestyle. Yeah. And I was like, whoa, dude, that's super cool.

Like I didn't like think that was an option. So I'm like, I was talking with them about getting them in a camp and throwing them in the mix. That's why Gymnastics is such an awesome base. I was like, a lot of different directions you go. Oh, bro. Yeah. Body awareness.

Tell me one sport where you were body awareness isn't going to make you a way better athlete. Yeah, it was, especially with all the extreme stokes. Yeah, all of them, dude. Not just air, I mean, even skateboarding, snowboarding. Bro, when I, all of them. When I did, when I showed it, when I, when I wrestled or did you get to people with gymnastics backgrounds

who were beginners already, we're badasses. Yeah, compared to other beginners because they just knew how to move their body and they learn techniques. Well, it reminds me of the discrepancy between a client who had like a sports background versus someone who had none whatsoever. You were in a training?

Yeah. I mean, you teach somebody who has had an athletic background their whole life and they could have never touched away before but had an athletic background their whole life. At least know the body. I can cue that client, sometimes without even touching them and get them to get into great form.

You take a client who's never lifted weights. Oh, you have to put them in position. Oh God, dude, like a piece of gonna repeat yourself 15 times, Jews, all kinds of trainer tricks to get them to hold their body because their body awareness, it's not like if you don't, if you don't train that, like you, you don't have it, man, it's crazy. You're a good dad, Justin, that's great. I'm sure you kids will remember this.

I'm wearing the gymnastics dad shirts. I'm supporting them, but who's rough? The day was rough for you. You brought up, so I've been to a Jiu-Jitsu tournament before and wrestling tournament before, where I think that would be different and hard to watch, there's so many different things going, right? Like it's not just like if you're watching Jiu-Jitsu,

everybody's doing Jiu-Jitsu. So I'm, if I'm watching, so I'm into it. Like I've seen another guy's technique, like, oh bro, did you see that move? Whereas if I'm, like let's say, I don't know what your kid does, but let's say he's into the horse or whatever, whatever, jenastic.

There's so many things. There are only aerials, so you do like a double me. It's like all basically like trampoline based things where they jump flip and they can, so yeah, they run and they do, or they'll do tumbling like back spring stuff where they like, well, it's just, no matter what, you're there to see your kid. Yeah, yeah.

But what happens is you're there for 10 hours watching everybody else's kids. Right. But part of why I imagine you're there for 10 hours there, though, is because they have different events, right? So it's like what and and this was the biggest sort of the West Coast so like every state was represented Like from the West Coast. So you had like For every one of my Wyoming deal. Yeah, yeah, man

Because Kids have no idea He's gonna see this podcast one day dude. I'm gonna have to come Hey, we need to tell him He's gonna see this podcast one day, dude. I'm gonna have to come He's gonna tell He's gonna tell his friends. We like hey, I got he's gonna like I got first place. I'm like oh, yeah What metal what do you mean you said I'm a good now? I would do is I would go by one get one me dude. Yeah, oh they forgot to give you this Is that would go by one get one may do? Yeah, oh, they forgot to give you this

No, look, every Yeah, he could know the difference with that, you know what I'm saying? I was thinking of making one out of like Yeah, aluminum foil Yes, when Adam's fizzy So he said, yeah, are you sure, dad? Yeah, you did have one, right? Yeah, I'm, dude

He got weird Yeah, you know, too Mr. Buffed, you know Yeah He's your work Yeah Anyway, it's so good Well, we have, uh, uh, I want to bring something up We got Mother's Day coming up,

and this is gonna be a perfect conversation. I wanna get to Mother's Day in a second, but Jordan Peterson did a post that caused some controversy in my family. So I wanna read this. Whoa, and your family? Yeah, well, we were kinda going back and forth about what he meant,

and if he meant to be offensive, or what he meant by it, or whatever, so check this out. And, you know, I'm a fan of Jordan Peterson. I think he communicates certain things in very brilliant ways. So he did this post and it says, this is the first, the first part, it says, women have been making men self-conscious since the beginning of time. And then he says, they do this primarily by rejecting them, but they also do it by shaming them if men do not take responsibility. Since women bear the primary burden of reproduction, it's no wonder. It's very hard to see how it could

be otherwise. But the capacity of women to shame men and render them self-conscious is still the primal force of nature. So what went back and forth was my aunt posted it and she goes, oh, this kind of makes me feel bad. And then Jessica said, I don't like the way he worded that because I think he used the word shame because he said he's shaming or women's shame. And now the way I understood it and I'd love your guys' opinions on this is, and this is what I said to my,

because I'm in this big family thread with all my aunts, my mom, and Jessica's in there and my cousin's wife, so it's just a bunch of us. And I said, you know what I said, women turn boys into men and in my aunt's life. What do you mean by that? I said, well, for men or for boys, I should say, we don't really have lots of pressures

to take responsibility. We can have kids up until we're old. We actually become more attractive as we get older and make more money, so we don't have that pressure either. We buy things, we can be very frivolous and not worry about stuff, but then you meet a woman, you fall in love with her,

and she puts the responsibility on you. Like, look, you gotta marry me. Like, you gotta make this choice. And then, hey, we need to have kids. And a boy has to stand up, we're step up and take the responsibility of, okay, I gotta save money, I gotta buy a house, I gotta support you, we're gonna have kids. Now I can't go out with my buddies every night, I can save money. I gotta buy a house, I gotta support you. I gotta, we're gonna have kids.

Now I can't go out with my buddies every night. I can't do this kind of stuff. So that's what I think, I think he not only met that, but he met that it's a very primal and instinctual thing too. Not that it's a conscious thing that women are trying. So I don't think it was coming off as like, women are trying to shame men. I think his point is that it's a very primal

and instinctual thing for them to do that. And for us to breed and to evolve, that's got to happen. Agreed. That's how I would take that. Yeah, I mean. Yeah, I think that, you know, much of society's been shaped on men trying to gain the approval of the opposite sex. And so it's like, it puts a lot of weight in terms of like,

whether, and they'll let you know, whether or not you're on the right direction or not. And so like in terms of shame, maybe you caught whatever you want, but it's definitely gonna be a harsh criticism of like, no, I'm not into that, you know, or I'm into this. And then like men are definitely molded in terms of their decision because of that.

Absolutely. I think it caught controversy because, especially in today's time, like nobody, nobody, especially no woman wants to hear a man tell them what they do. Yeah. And that's what it, and it's him saying that women shame men.

It's like, and obviously that's how. We shame each other too. It's like, it's, it, it, it, it also doesn't need to be a negative thing. It's not a negative thing. So that's like, and obviously that's how we see each other too. It's like, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's thing. It's a natural, it's a thing. Who's gonna tell you your full shit? And that needs to happen. And tell you to take hard responsibility. Look, if you look at the numbers, statistics, okay. Men, when they don't pair up and have a family,

or especially pair up, we become more violent. We're more likely to use substances, we're more likely to just to worship money, and you know, these kind of worldly things. When men meet a woman that says, hey, like I know you and you fall in love. It's very, I mean, it's a very powerful thing, right? I mean, I experienced it with Jessica. It's a very, very overwhelming, powerful thing.

And the woman says, you look, you know, I know we're together, but this is what I want out of you. And I want you to marry me or I want you to take responsibility or I don't want you to go act like a kid all the time. You know, maybe you need to start having some drive with certain things or whatever, and then you have kids, right? And it's like, well, you gotta be a good debt.

And it does it. Women turn boys into men. Without them, think about it. What? You get this Peter Pan syndrome. You do. Of course, think about it. And you know what, I was just talking to Vicki earlier.

She's the one that does our awesome hair, by the way, good job. We didn't have a week. We cut it. I was looking like a caveman for a second. But I was talking to her about this and it's like, you know, media makes it, it glamorizes boys like the dude who never grows up and has all the money and all the chicks and all this and that and does whatever you want. And it's funny because that's, you know, I understand why they glamorize it because they

could sell that, right? That's the easy way to sell products and shit. Because when you're really responsible for other and husband, you're less likely to go buy a bunch of stuff and seek all the stuff out. So I get it. But you got to grow up. And growing up means you take responsibility. It means you're taking care of other people.

You're stable. You decide that we're just growing up at a time that's counterculture too. It means you're taking care of other people, you're stable, you decide you're different family. That we're just growing up at a time that's counterculture too. Our generation Peter Pan Syndrome is counterculture to the family man. You know what I'm saying? So I think part of it, I do agree

that some of it's monetarily driven, right? But I also think that it's just natural. So, which I, that's just kind of how I believe we always work. We have this kind of pendulum swinging type of, you know, society, where, and we're always on one side or the other, we're always wanting, we all, for the most part, want to be somewhere in the middle, and we tend to swing. And I think the glorifying the Peter Pan syndrome type of guy

has swung really hard for the last decade or so. And I'd like to think being a man, a father, like, you know, Peter Pan syndrome type of guy has swung really hard for the last decade or so. And I'd like to think being a man, a father, like, you know, I think family, I think that I hope is on its way back. I hope so, definitely. And I wanna believe so. And of course, man have our value.

I'm not here to tell you, you know, what our value is because we're focusing on this for a second. But, I mean, it's true what I'm saying. Look, here's a statistic right here that'll prove it. We can talk about taking responsibility, What's one of the ultimate responsibilities to take care of your kid? That's hard, hard work, it's expensive. You can't do all the fun, easy stuff, sometimes it sucks

and whatever, who is far more likely to abandon their kid? Men are, right? Women take responsibility and they'll force men to do so. It's a very good thing. Now, men have our own value, but I'll leave that up to the women to talk about. But speaking of which, Mother's Day is coming up. So, you know, I'm saying this basically to show my appreciation for the moms and wives and stuff out there because, you know, they, they, they, we thought you would probably die. We don't, we don't be, we don't be even working out. I mean, I'd do some crazy stuff. Do we know, no kidding or nothing, right?

Or nothing. You mentioned statistics. I have to bring this up because somebody sent this to my DMs that, remember the episode, I don't remember how far back this was, but it wasn't that long ago where you guys were teasing me about not wanting to be buried, and then I said I wanted to be cremated.

Yes. So he sent me this article that I was super fascinated. I was like, holy shit, I would never have guessed this. Okay. So I'm gonna give you some statistics here. And just the year 2000, the percentage of Americans that were cremated take a guess. Do you have any idea? I'll say 10. Oh, you stole my dude. But gonna do like press the right. Yeah. 11% 11% Oh, well, 26%. You're closer. Yeah.

And year 2000. Okay, 2020. Okay, this 20 years later, what do you think the percentage is at? It went up. What do you think? Oh, man, I don't know, 30%. 50.

56%. Wow. It is projected. It is, the prediction is by 2040, that 80% of people will choose to be cremated. No, why? Why? Sadist on fly.

I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe they all think I'm feeling sad. Yeah. Why? No, we need people buried. We already made an agreement anyway.

We're not going to cremate. If you died before us, we're going to be flaming arrows at me. No, we're going to do with that one rapper, we're going to involve your body. I'm just worried like technology now and crisper and everything. They can just like clone us, you know, like I just burn me. So you don't have any more of me left. Sav your DNA. So you were on board with me with the cremation thing?

Yeah, I've always said that just burn me, dude. You want to be cremated too? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, are you inductively very guys? I mean, I personally don't care. You're old too. Yeah, you're kind of whatever. You like flip a coin?

Yeah, I don't care. I want to, hey, tug kind of whatever. You like flip a coin? I don't care. I want to hate Doug Swells as a whole. I don't need some big mausoleum or anything like that. I mean, it's like, who's he to come to? See, if I were to get buried, that's how I would want to get buried. Yeah, yeah, I know. I don't want to be like a resident record.

I don't want to like a statue, a mansion, a mansion, I'm like, I'm sorry, I'm here to be. Yeah, I don't want to be like shoulder to shoulder with other dead guy, you know what I'm saying? Like, I want to have some space. Yeah. Just people coming by caroling. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, I'm't want to be like shoulder to shoulder with other dead guy You know what I'm saying like I want to have some space just people coming by caroling I'm gonna have my mom and have my body crazy number. That's crazy. I'm super high I told Jessica want my body turned into protein powder and then she has to take it

Did you see I just saw an interview? You just remind me something I just saw an interview with Megan Fox that's the profile. You just reminded me something. I just saw an interview with Megan Fox and talking about her and machine gun Kelly. Yeah, the new weirdos. Yeah, drinking each other blood. Drinking each other's blood. Billy Bob Thornton and Angelie Jolie, right? Listen, we're the drinking chose blood.

Listen, they're weird, but also, why are you telling everybody? Like, is it because I could like to have to tell everyone what interesting in you. Yeah, that's what, okay, drink your toes, blah, blah. All right, cool. You got a weird thumb making, that's what, it's weird to me that we live in a time

that you would do something like that. You would want to share it and it be like this positive thing and other people talk about it. Like, that's just weird to me. Like, if you're gonna do some weird shit behind the closed doors that you and your wife and by all means, is she talking about the actual ritual thing? Yeah, she said that she's just said Oh, it's like a ritual thing that they do and she's talking about how she's like like she'll I think she was saying how she likes

Like prick her her thumb and then drop the blood and she's more he's He just wants to like cut me and suck them off my chest or whatever. What the Yes, yeah, wonder why people think Hollywood is run by satanic culture. Yeah, man, where do they get that idea from? Yeah, we're so are fetched. By the way, I had to mention, I forgot to mention this for Mother's Day, from youflowers.com and see from youflowers.com forward slash flower forward slash mine pump. If you use the code mp20 get 20% off, forgot to mention that.

So we have some. They're on our mine pump partner's page. Okay, perfect. So just see, you know, I mean mean yeah, we they've been up on our mind pump partners We're gonna take a sponsor break right now There was a new that was a new one okay, hey quick commercial break. I got some hold on. I got some stats for you Adam Talk about stats. Oh good. I didn't like bring something for me It's always Justin in the freaking conspiracy theory. No, this is really cool I don't want to open me. I don't want to open this with this because only I don't have to talk about this for an hour and a half.

So I can leave this. Oh, wow. You really think so. So I looked up statistics on US millionaires in US billionaires. OK. OK. So it's really cool, right? And I love these stats because they fly in the face

of the narrative, the popular narrative around millionaires and billionaires. OK, so here's what they are. 88% of US millionaires are self-made. So almost 9 out of 10 millionaires in America started out like everybody else and became millionaires. That's great. 80% of them have college degrees, so majority of them have higher education.

Okay. Billionaires. Now, billion is a big deal. It's not very many billionaires in the world. 62% of US billionaires are self-made. So what that means is they start out like everyone else. A little over six out of 10 completely self-made. And their education levels.

So they're not just like, you know, handed it from the Rockefellers and from the other guys. check this out right 70% 70% of them have college degrees. So a little less have college degrees So here's what's interesting. So I said 62% another 18% Or a combination of inherited plus they built it themselves. So what does that mean? That means they probably inherited a Few million dollars or 20 million dollars and then they turned it into billions. Now before somebody watching who's like, that's just, no, it is harder to turn 5 million into a billion that is go from zero to a million.

Yes. Okay, people don't realize that. To go from zero to a millionaire is far easier. Only somebody who's never built in more than ever built a business before or multiple business would think that way. I wish that was like, you know, how there's certain courses like through high school. I would love to see them have a course on just like, you have to create your own business. Like everybody has to go through that process. Yeah. Be so enlightening. Oh, dude. If you gave, if you gave a thousand people a hundred million dollars, zero would turn it into a billion. That's

how hard it is to become a billionaire. Only 20% of all US billionaires are inherited. And these are people who are like Johnson and Johnson, you know, kids and, you know, whatever. So the truth is, the vast majority of billionaires in the US are self-made or a combination of inherited and self-made, which totally flies in the face of that whole narrative, right? Yeah. To add to that, I'm actually familiar with all those stats, and they're in the book of Millionaire Next Door. That's a really good read. Those are actually a book that Mike referred to me like a year or two ago, and I read.

And I wish, like, it was all a lot of the stuff. It was a lot of things that I had read before. I wish that I had read that book when all a lot of the stuff. It was a lot of things that I had read before. I wish that I had read that book when I was in my 20s. One of the things that I thought was really fascinating that I took from it was like some of the stats that it said about millionaires and billionaires and like the cars they drove and the money they spent

and they mounted what percentage of their income they live off of. Like most millionaires live off of like 30% of their income. How many people you know live off of 30% of their income? And that's the one thing that like all millionaires had in common was the ability to live below their means. That's how a lot of them got that to that point. And a lot of them are not somebody who struck it rich.

They're just people over time that have built good habits, good behaviors, that are saved, invested. Yes, that's what led them to be millionaires. And a lot of them had very basic jobs. They were just smart with their money early on. It's a really good discipline. The average price of a car that a millionaire drives is lower than somebody who makes six figures. It's crazy.

So somebody who makes millions of dollars drives a $40,000 vehicle, or is the average person who makes six figures drives a six figure car, like it's crazy, the difference. Like, and that, I wish I read that when I was in my 20s because it probably would have changed some of my habits because early on as a young kid, I knew I had those types of goals, right? I had goals to be a billionaire when I was a kid, right? So I think if I would have read something like that, it would have changed some of my

spending behaviors in my early 20s. Because I always reflect now as a 40 years old. Like, and I don't regret anything because I had a really fun time in my 20s. But I learned, yeah, and I did learn, but I learned that way. I learned the hard way. I learned through my own lessons

of getting back up again and stuff like that. Well, you're gonna learn otherwise. I mean, you have to seek it out yourself. Yeah, I should have read more books. I didn't read it. I mean, one of the single most important things I could have done at an earlier age and I didn't start doing until my mid-delay 20s

was reading more. If I would have read more, is that unfortunate? I didn't have great leadership for my parents and that side, as far as business and stuff goes. So, I should have sought out other places. I didn't have a lot of great mentors. I found some mentors within the business I worked.

So I got a little bit of business mentorship, but with money and finances and investing, I think I would have been a lot further along today, had I been a little bit wiser in my 20s with my money. I had a lot of fun in my life. I learned from my parents, old school skills, which were saved. You were the opposite of that.

But I didn't learn investments, because my family, they didn't invest because they were poor immigrants. All they knew was, don't work hard, don't spend your money, don't go into debt. So that's what I did, right? But I had no idea how to invest. I had no idea how to leverage.

So what I did is I just saved money. And had I learned the next step because that was a kid. I was 19 years old running jams making a lot of money leaving at home. I could have invested, but I just didn't know. I was afraid I had no idea. These are skills that you, they're great skills to learn when you grow up. Even understanding, one of the most common things because we actually, we talk a little bit about money and investments on the show, right? So I get, especially when I do my Q&A, one of the most common things, because we actually, we talk a little bit

about money and investments on the show, right? So I get, especially when I do my Q&A, they get a lot of, hey, Adam, I'm 20 something years old and I have $10,000 or I have this much, where should I invest it? And the most common answer I saved back to them, which I didn't know this when I was their age either, is invest it back in yourself.

I wish I would have spent money on growing and learning and educating and seeking out mentors. What a great point. Even wish I would have spent money on growing and learning and educating and seeking out mentors. What a great point. Even if I had to pay for it, like imagine spending, which would sound crazy. But I'm sure I shouldn't buy an NFT. Yeah, no, totally.

That's because that's what you're thinking. When you're in your 20s and you saved up 10 or 15 grand maybe or whatever like that, which is a good amount of money for a kid in his early 20s, whatever to put away. And you're thinking, okay, I finally saved this money up. Okay, I hear all this stuff with NFTs. You know, people made money in stocks, real stuff with that, which I do with it. And that's really not enough to make big moves in any of those things whatsoever or take

those types of risks. And honestly, what will pay you back even more is investing back in yourself. 100% in education and growing and learning. And it doesn't mean you have to go through a formal route of, oh, go go and do some university and go to a four year degree. No, there's certifications, courses, you can hire mentors.

Yes, yes, yes. And I wish. Are you internships? Yes. This is huge. Internships, people think I should be paid. No, man, go get an internship somewhere where you can learn and you're going to school for free.

That's the thing. You're not going into debt, but you're literally learning from in the field, in the market, which no college, no school is gonna be as effective at teaching you how shit works. I just had this conversation with my cousin who wants to get into the real estate side and he was talking about all these different financial moves he wants to make.

I said, bro, you've got somebody who is worth, $100 million, he's got somebody who is worth, you know, $100 million. He's got somebody connected to him in that real estate interest. Like go work for his ass for free. Yeah. Go tell him that you want to work for him for free. Oh my gosh, that's incredible. He looked at me kind of like sideways like,

you know, because I've got this much money, I could go buy this, I could go do this. Like you don't know anything about that yet. I said, you're wanting, and you got somebody who's way ahead of me in that field. And I'm trying to tell you, like, if I was you, that's what I would go do. I would do that even as me.

With the money I have and the investments I have, if I had that guy in my corner who's a, like a really close friend of him. Who, so true. I would say, I told him, I was like, go and hang out with him and find somewhere where you can help him and do it for free, because what you'll probably

get in return will be 10 times more valuable than some bullshit paycheck or some bullshit one investment that you're going to make with that money in your state of education. Yeah, so I wish I understood that. I didn't get it back then and I get that now and I think that if you're listening right now and you're in your 20s and you've got a few bucks saved like that, instead of thinking of the next stock that's gonna turn or doing some risky NFT bad. But I wish they taught something like this in high school.

You know what I mean? Like debt, investment, saving, the things that bring you the most value, like you just said, like you don't learn that? Well, yeah, like kind of come in full circle with the like the santa's we kind of give some criticism, but like he did pass them bill like in terms of like the education like before you graduate. I saw that have like a financial literacy, which I

thought was brilliant. I didn't see that. Yeah, so he he passed the bill. I think it was that says before you graduate, there's a course you have to take and their high school in Florida where you learn about, I think, loans, debt, interest rates. It's like a no brain. We've said this, I mean, I've said this forever. Oh, how to pay your taxes. Yeah. Nobody knows how to pay those taxes. Like just the common sense stuff that you're going to go through in life, like in order to manage your own finances. Speaking of saving money and investing a lot of stuff, so lots of talk around inflation, right?

Especially goods and food exploding in prices and one of the best ways, and we work with a company called Public Goods and so what Public Goods is that they have their subscription service, but they offer all these household goods, cleanings, you know, products, they have dog food, they have certain canned foods and, you know, not fresh washers.

My whole house is public. And their thing is it's very little waste. So it's the same packaging. In fact, if you buy something, then you can buy refills and like packaging that's far less detrimental to the environment also saves money, there's low chemicals. But really, these subscription services are incredible hedges against inflation. Because they eliminate, as a hedge, for somebody to know what that means, if you want to protect yourself against the rising costs of food and goods,

subscription services are amazing because they have a subscription fee that helps bring up their profit. They also eliminate a lot of middlemen and they produce a lot of their own stuff or they do the packaging themselves. So what that means is with less middlemen, less hands it needs to, you know, if it goes from closer to cost. Closer to cost.

So all the subscription services that exist out there, these are the ones that will protect you the most with inflation. Versus going to the grocery store and everything went up or whatever. If you belong to a subscription service, you're less likely to be, your prices are going to increase as much as it would if you went to a grocery store. Well, that's part of the reason why inflation is so bad is because of the entire supply chain. It's not like just a single price. Not like meat is just expensive.

For this one thing, it's that it's got to go through like five different hands. And so, oh, well gas went up for the driver. They're going to drive right here. The farmers are going to pay more for feed. It's like, you don't think about those things. And when you can get a company that can cut out two or three or four of those steps, it's massive. And they won't, even though they get, they'll get hit by inflation too.

Everybody will feel it somewhat, they'll feel it less than somebody who has to deal with all of that. Yes, because they have more to work with, and they're motivated to not change certain things or whatever, because that's what they're all about. So yeah, if you wanna say money now is a time to look at subscription services,

it's a great, and public goods again, they cover so many things. Well speaking of saving money, isn't mind pump store doing a discount right now? Oh, you know what? I wasn't asking. I was going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you, we so we so treat the, we none of why the way too. Okay. I think we should make because we haven't talked about this a long time. Uh, we have mine pump store.com which we have merch you guys. Yeah, we have merch. We have a news chim equipment.com, which is, we have merch you guys.

Yeah, we have merch. We have a newschem equipment, all kinds of equipment, all kinds of stuff on that. Now, for the audience, they need to know that when we started this podcast, it was something that we, like, I did not want to do anything on that side.

I just, I think the margins are terrible. It's a headache side of the business. It's just, it's not even fun to do. That's full transparency, yeah. Yeah, it's just full transparency, right? It's not current with trends. We have it, so it's, and it's just not even fun to do. Yeah, just full transparency, right? It's not current with trends. We have it, and it's always there. We have lots of cool stuff in there,

but we don't talk about it on the show. We don't push. Our staff is always like, you guys bring it up to the show. So Jerry comes walking in and has the response back with, well, you guys are going to pay us our commercial rate. It's our story. Hey, so along those lines, so the sale is,

we sell home gym equipment. Suspension trainers, for example, Abroller, the Grip Rover bands. Yeah, bands, that kind of thing. Dynamometers, so you guys do that grip testing? Yeah, so we have that kind of stuff there, and that's all 20% off right now. But along those lines, did you guys see the statistics?

Did I send you guys that statistics on the percentage of people that are still not going back to gyms? Oh no. Okay, so what is that number at? What is that number at? It's 19% lower than what it was pre-pandemic. So it went up after the pandemic ended, but it's sticking.

Damn, I wish we remember, I wish we had the resources. I don't want to exhaust poor Andrew over there. It'd be interesting to hear what we all predicted before I don't remember what when we were you remember what we predicted Well, we said it would be we said it would be permanent. No, we did I think we had a little debate on how permanent was and I think I was more like I think most people more people I wanted it to come back roaring but I just yeah, yeah. You know what, I was just wondering what we all, I posted it, let me see if I can find it because I actually have the numbers. Most likely I was right, you were probably off.

Yeah, that'll be the first. Oh, yeah. All right, so here it is. So sporting equipment sales, so people buying home equipment and stuff like that. Obviously, exploded after the pandemic, came back down, but it's still about 15% above trend. So still above trend. Then the people going back to gyms took a huge first off. They lost a lot of members after the

pandemic, came up quite a bit, but now it's staying steady at 19% below trend. Now, and that's reminding me because obviously we have the mind pump store with the home gym equipment and we do sell more than we have before. I think that's part of it. But here's what else is interesting. We have friends in the gym business. Gems that were able to weather the storm and they're crushing right now. So what I think that happened even though there's less people going back to gym less gyms, there's less. Jim's. Way less Jim. So it's like, you only have so much to fill those Jim's up. Yeah. There's so many opportunities.

If you survived the pandemic in your adj. You're a Jim. We pretty crushed. Yes. Now is a good time for you because if you made it through that, you had a good business model, you had a good enough business model to make it, whether that storm, you were going to reap the benefits on the backside because we knew that it would flush out. And I forget we went over the percentage,

but it was a lot of gyms. Well, I can see why that's stalled because of I guess inventory, right? Like there's only certain amount of gyms that made it, but let's say like a few years from now that business kind of grows again, more gyms open up. If we don't get shut down again.

Now I don't think we've seen the end or the final numbers in the sea though because you're still hearing, right now, I thought I heard just the other day, they're trying to freak everybody out that in the summer, another variant of the COVID, it's talking, right? So there's still people that are fear mongering

and then on top of that, you still have some gems too that will still make you wear the mask inside the gym. So I've still seen, I still see, I hear Bay Area. Really? Yeah, yeah. Well, that are just randomly, I've seen people posting

their videos and working out. I see people, and now it's not required where I go, but I still see people wearing masks. So that's what I don't know, because I haven't been in one of myself. So I don't know, but it was odd. I saw a video of like five people, everybody in the video all had masks on

inside the gym working out, and it's here in the Bay Area. So I'm assuming that some of these gyms are, because it's at their discretion as a private business, they could say, hey, it's still required. Right, right, right. So I would imagine that, so there's still some people that would like to come back, but they're like,

because that's how I would feel. The reason why I have no desire to go to a gym right now is because the gym that I think is, that I would go to is the one that still has got people wearing a shirt. Yeah, you should check, because I don't know if they would do that, but yeah, that would do whatever.

So, and then there's some people that are like me in the sense too, they're like, ah, they haven't checked them. I've figured it out to do it on my own at home or what about that, so I'm getting by. Yeah, I kind of missed the gym, but not enough to actually go reactivate my memberships or in my case, I'm paying for them anyway.

You're still donating too much of Jim's, don't you? I have. Well, so talking again to my friend who runs a big chain, I said, so what other differences have you noticed in the trends? And he goes, more people are signing up and working out, not to lose weight, but for mental health. So lots of people are coming back and saying,

you know, what's your goals? When you sell memberships, one of the first things you ask is what's your goal? So you know how to interest Taylor. And he says, I never heard that. You guys ever hear that? No, that's not what I ever said that. Fat loss, build muscle.

That's why it's looked like a certain one. Yes, people are aware of that. They're saying, hey, I wanna improve my mental health. I need to move more. I was locked up, you know, at my anxiety, my depression, or whatever. So I find that very interesting that people are starting to see value.

Speaking of anxiety, by the way, I made an interesting speculation with blue light blocking glasses. Blue light is stimulatory, right? And if you're already feeling anxious, anything that stimulatory could potentially make that anxiety feel. That's your right.

If you ever feel anxious, try putting on blue light blocking glasses. So I did that with Felix Gray's and it does have a calming effect. So if you feel lots of anxiety throughout the day or you're going to go to a stressful meeting or whatever, I would speculate that blocking some of these excitatory blue light will probably improve at least the physical feeling. Do you know what's happening on a chemical level inside your body with that? It's just excitatory.

So I know blue light is, it's wakeful, right? That's why you don't wanna be exposed to too much blue light before you go to bed. During the day, it's okay, because it keeps you up. But if you've ever been anxious, you know anything that is stimulatory, caffeine, loud music, exciting conversation, would just height heightened that physical

sense of anxiety. So blue light blocking glasses, put them on, and I did, and I noticed that it kind of brought me down. It made me feel more calm. So that was my own experience, but I think it makes sense. So that's interesting. So hand in the mouth. Hey, real quick.

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Our first caller is Logan from Kentucky. Logan, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey guys, what's going on? First off I want to thank you guys for everything that you guys do. I've been listening to you guys for about over a year now and you guys help me tremendously. You know you guys help me lose 30 pounds from December. So thank you for that. Wow. Great. Yeah. But just getting into the question. So a little background. I've been break dancing since 2009. I started in high school and I was competitively doing it on and off,

you know, going around the U.S. going around, we call them jams, going to different jams and competing against other guys and girls. We would be judged into three different guys and we will go round by round basically a dance battle and those rounds will last between 30 seconds to a minute long. It's very intense removing in all planes of movement we're going from really slow, really fast, dancing on the ground and all of a sudden we're popping up to a headspin. And then just here know, I've been taking my health and fitness a little bit more seriously. And like I said in the beginning, I lost all this weight. And I started really focusing on the gym more. And I guess that leads me into my question,

given that we're moving the way that we do West Break Dancers is weight lifting or resistance training in general hurting my progress. Yeah, it depends how you do it and how it's programmed. By the way, I'm sure you watch the movie Breaking 1984. It's a really old reference. That's the man. So break dancing is one of my favorite things to see on YouTube.

The things that you guys can do with your bodies. It's amazing. Please tell me you have like a little iPhone, Clipper, video of yourself doing some stuff. Do you have something? Yeah, you need to send that. Okay, can you email that to my team? Can you send that to, is it Jerry or Info? Jerry, live at MindPump Media.

Yeah, send it to live at MindPump Media. Yeah, we'll post it on the show. And when we do, when we post the show, we'll publish the show, we'll make sure to plug you in. Yeah, because that's very exaltry. And do it after. Yeah, we'll post it on the show. And when we do, when we post the show, we'll publish the show, we'll make sure to plug you in. Yeah, because that's very salient try and do it after. Yeah, I can. I can do it. Well, this is actually how we decided the executive positions in the company. Yeah, best answer would end up being the CEO and so on.

And so, oh, me bro. That's a bad way. Yeah, no, okay, so Logan, let's get to your question. Will it kill your performance? Depends how you do it. If you're practicing frequently, right? You're practicing your dance moves and your positions and your sequences. One day a week of strength training is plenty. That's it.

You don't wanna do more than that because you're probably already training your body like crazy. What you wanna do with the strength training is just maintain your strength. Now if you go down to one day a week of break dancing and you're doing four days a week of strength training, yeah, you're gonna hurt yourself. First off, you'll build more muscle. You're not gonna be as

in tune with your new body size and you're not practicing your skill as much as before. So it really depends on how it's put together. But one day a week of strength training is probably all you're gonna need. Would you put on performance? Oh yeah, I mean, honestly, if he's doing, if he's doing practicing break dancing three, four, five days a week, it could be even just straight strength training because he's doing so much dynamic movement that's break dancing. That he's gonna be hitting all the mobility and stuff

kind of in that, but I would add additional mobility movements. The second part of your question that you wrote to us is how do you prepare for all day competition? and stuff kind of in that. But I would add additional mobility movements. The second part of your question that you wrote to us is how do you prepare for all-day competition? Do you still want us to answer that for you? Yeah, so I think that's where I'm kind of getting a little bit confused, you know, with information. So the day before and the day of, you know, what do my movements and more importantly,

what is my diet look like? So diet do not introduce anything new into your diet the day before or two days before. I made this mistake once going into a judo tournament. I thought I was gonna carve up the day before and ate a bunch of pancakes, which I never ate all over his opponent. And I had to, I mean, I just, my gut wasn't good.

It was really, I still won, but it wasn't, it wasn't good. So don't introduce anything new. Eat like you normally do. I would just add a little bit extra fuel, but you know, the thing with, with, when you're manipulating your body, is additional waterway or a bloat, is gonna, is gonna take away from your skill

and your technique, right? You wanna kind of be light, agile, fast and strong. So I wouldn't change too much. Maybe a little extra fuel, leading up too much. Maybe a little extra fuel leading up to it, maybe a little extra carbohydrates, but not too much more, because what you don't want is you don't want to have any bloat or extra four pounds of water weight

because that's not gonna help you move any better, right? It's gonna just gonna make you heavier. So I wouldn't overthink it to be quite honest. As far as the training is concerned, I wouldn't do any heavy lifting at least four or five days before. So I would take at least four or five days off of lifting before the day of the competition and just do mobility movements and practicing your skill lightly leading up to the competition because you don't want to go into it with any soreness

or tightness. Yeah, I hear all the advice the advice. Like I think to, for sure, one time a week is probably plenty for resistance training. I was trying to like think about symmetry only because there's a couple elements in there that are interesting with isometric contraction with unilateral training and multi-planar type of approach. So it'd be like phase two of mass performance as well, would help to really kind of bolster and reinforce strength in certain positions where you're in the frontal plane, you're

in the transverse plane, and just to kind of strengthen your body awareness and the amount of force you could produce. But honestly, the skill to South Point, it's all the skill is, is the high priority. Well, I mean, and this dude's got great body awareness. I mean, you ain't doing that shit like right there. Bro, the proprioceptive ability of high level, right dancers, and you can tell the highest peak. He's at that level. So, I mean,

I think the advice is, is that simple as, you know, maps performance one day a week That's all you need and uh the goal if I was training it would be like, you know Can I slowly get you stronger by increasing weight over time while also like trying to never get you sore Yes, that would be the dance I'm playing. I'm like and that that is looking that that is an example of you Absolutely crushing it right if I can get you over time Right so over the period slowly to slowly get a little bit stronger and then also your feedback to me is like dude Adam I'm not I don't feel sore you are we push like I want to hear that from you that means I'm like doing my job

Perfect because for you being sore at all. It's gonna really hinder your your break dancing So I don't want that at all. I want, and you can. I think people just, we always flirt with going beyond where we need to. You just need to do just enough to send that signal that the body needs a little bit more muscle. And that would be kind of the dance that we be playing

is no pun intended. Is that, hey, let's try and do this straight training. Let's try and get a little stronger week over week, but just enough to where you're getting stronger, but you're not feeling like you're having to recover for the next two to three days. Does that make sense? Yeah, for sure. Now, I guess I already know the answer to this a little dive into my training.

So Monday, Wednesday, Friday, that's my traditional training, so chest, arms, legs, but the first hour, I'm just practicing my skills. You know, I'm going through sets, routines, dancing. That's just for the first hour. And then the second hour, I move into the resistance training. Do you guys, I'm assuming you guys think I'm doing too much? Yeah, I would do, I would do the skills training and then one day a week devoted solely to a full body workout. That's it. Yeah. Okay. Okay. And then I guess it would it wouldn't hurt, although I don't think it's necessary. It wouldn't hurt to actually do your strength training first on those days since you're only training one day a week and you, but I also don't need maximum output

from you. I don't need you to like crush the weights. So if I wanted to get a little bit more gains in the muscle direction, I would probably say, hey, and before instead of doing it or practice for an hour of break dancing and then going to lift weights, I'd say, hey, lift weights and then go do break dancing afterwards. But because you'll get more out of your lifting, for sure. I mean, you got to factor in that you've, you've, you've, you've somewhat, even if you're great. I just don't want to trade skill for strength. Yeah. you've, you've, you've somewhat, even if you're great. I just don't want to trade skill for strength. Yeah, exactly. This is a big mistake athletes sometimes do is they think that more strength means you're better.

Only if the skill remains the same or improves. If you drop skill and increase strength, you're not better at break dancing, are you? You know, like I'm pretty, I saw your video, Doug put it up there. I'm bigger and stronger than you. I can't dance like you're gonna be a detriment. Yeah, so yeah, really it's just about like keeping and stronger than you. I can't dance like you. I can't. I can't. I can't dance like you.

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water. So element T is obviously the company we work with. We like them the most. So you can put that in your water. You'd also want to eat food throughout the day, small meals, and make sure you have some easily digestible carbohydrates. Yeah, liquid calories would be great. Yeah, so like, like, Gatorade, you know, I know it's full of sugar and all that stuff, but this is where liquid, you know, sugar can kind of be beneficial. I would have small meals in between. So a 200 calorie meal in between your sets or 100, 100, you know, calorie meal, just to give you the fuel

that you need to continue competing throughout the day. Because it's a long day, right? It's pretty much all day. Yeah, all day from like 1 to 10 pm. Yes, yeah. So you're going to want to eat kind of like, you know, three or four small meals in between your set, not enough to make you feel like, oh, it's going to affect my dancing, but enough to give you some energy

so you can continue performing. Okay, cool, cool. Now that you guys gave me that information, so if I cut out the Wednesday, Friday sessions, maybe that's where I'm actually practicing my dance, like would you guys recommend coaching now with mobility? Yes, dance and mobility would be great for those days.

So fall, and that's in already performance. So literally follow the mobility days in performance on those days now and then just stick to the one foundational day of training. Totally. For sure. Okay, we'll send you a match performance if you don't have it, okay Logan?

Awesome man, I appreciate it. Thank you guys so much. No problem. Yeah, I can't stress this enough because we have a lot of athletes that ask this question. We get one of them every week. Do not trade skill for strength because when it comes to athletic performance, skill

trumps strength. It just does. Now, when skill is equal, now strength, if you're stronger, you're going to do better. But you can't do that. You don't want to trade the two. So don't take your current training, your skills training and trade it for strength training and think you're gonna perform better.

That's a good level, especially at that level. That's what I'm talking about. I mean, if you're a kid, and you're new, you just started break dancing last week. And we're strengthing, oh yeah. We assume you already have a nice foundational layer of strength that you've been able to accumulate this type of skill over the years towards.

So yeah, now at this point that high of a level of skill, it's about like keeping you healthy and keeping your joints responding and being able to have longevity in this pursuit. I think Doug used to do this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Doug was a first breakfast for me. You guys moonwalk. Yeah. That's that's always been one of the whole pop. Do you want to pop and locks? So we're all from the same generation. I guarantee you all of us went through a stand of trying to build a breakdown.

Through a cardboard out and like totally tried and then like did the spinny thing on my butt but I don't even, not only did I go through that but I even had the the boom box. No, I had the little lasers. No, you did it. So you're like the rave kids. Yeah, you know, you do like your break. You're good at a lot of things. We heard terrible. I can't imagine. I can't imagine. I can hack you. Yeah, I had.

Hey, I had to just as after about six or seven drinks, I get really good. Or maybe it's after she maybe after she has six or seven. It looks better. By that. No, we had, I had a couple of friends that they figured out how to do. What's that move called continuation? Were they just, you know, over and over? Oh, you know the names even, I don't know the names. I did because you guys, I'm a nerd about things.

And I remember I was like, I'm like, I'm gonna learn how to do that. And I was like, I'm gonna go read the books. And you're gonna happen. So I'm not gonna forget this one. I'm not gonna learn that easy. Our next caller is Lily from Utah. Lily, how can we help you?

Hi, um, so I kind of have an interesting situation going on right now. I work in remote, like a really remote area in Alaska for four months at a time. And so I'm going to be doing that this summer. And I just kind of want to know if you guys have any Suggestions on how to maintain muscle when I'm kind of back in remote Alaska. I don't have any equipment And I don't really have like choice in what I get to eat because it's so remote and only accessible by helicopter So whatever the company like provides me is what I get to eat because it's sour milk and only accessible by helicopter. So whatever the company like provides me

is what I get to eat. And I'm just kind of wondering if there's an optimal way for me to kind of maybe say more. Are you working on the set of alone? Is that you like, could you? No, sorry. I was a scientist. No, so I'm a hiking guide actually.

Okay, okay. So do you have to walk? So remote parts of Alaska, you have to walk around with like a like a side piece, right? Just in case there's grizzlies. So I actually work in the Nali National Park. Okay. And you can have like you could just have bear spray and that's it. So it's a little scary sometimes. Wait, wait, you can just piss them off. Bear spray for grizzlies. Yeah, it's not very effective, but it's what we have. That's crazy. All right, workouts. Yeah, maps anywhere is a great program. It's all basically equipment free or we could do map suspension where

all you need are a suspension trainer, you could hook that up to any doorway, a tree, a tree, and you could do, seriously, you could do all kind, I mean, amazing workouts with that stuff. Would you be able to get, like, would you be able to order a suspension trainer, get it delivered to you or is that a no? So that's the problem because it's only accessible by helicopter. And weight is like very important and they kind of prioritize like the guests that come back there and their luggage and stuff like that.

I can't really order anything. So last year what I did was we had some resistance bands and then we got like an old broomstick, like an old wooden broomstick and we put it in between like two trees and we were able to do like pull-ups with that and then like very, I had like two resistance bands and it was horrible. I just like, I came home and I just felt like I lost like all of my muscle development and it just was not ideal. Maps anywhere. Maps anywhere.

Maps anywhere is going to be perfect for you and just keep in mind too. Like, I mean, you are, I mean, if the overall goal is to be healthy and fit and then to maintain as much muscle as you can. When you're back home, you train like a MAPS and a ball type of program, build as much muscle as you can that time. When you head off to Alaska for four months, you follow a bodyweight type of program. You inevitably will lose probably a little bit of muscle, especially if you're hiking a lot and you're not strength training as much as you were before, but very minimal and it'll bounce back. If you stay good, if you stay consistent with the body weight training and moving around and staying healthy and fit,

even if you lose a little bit of muscle, it'll come right back when you get back. Lily, do you have resistance bands with you now? Um, so I actually left them in Alaska last year so that when I came back, they would still be there for me. So I have them. Oh, you're just like crappy ones off Amazon, but you're set maps, Lily maps anywhere. You got it. You have all you need for maps anywhere. That's the perfect work.

Yeah, the broomstick and everything. Yeah, there's ways you can use it. And here's the thing, bodyweight workouts, a lot of times people lose muscle on them because they don't program them properly. Yes, it's the programming. The programming makes a big difference and we wrote maps anywhere, so the programming is good. So I don't be surprised if you lose zero muscle and might even gain something. Right, that is very possible.

Yeah. I want to just to, if you did, it's not that big of a deal because if you stick consistently with body weight training, you follow anywhere, there is a chance that you can see canes. There is a chance that you'll maintain. And there is a chance that you could potentially lose some muscle. But if even in that case, if you do lose a little, it'll bounce right back, especially if you stick with your train. Now, if you completely take four months off and just, you know, eat

like crazy and you don't, you don't do anything like, okay, then yeah, it would be a little bit more work when you get back. But man, you stay active and fit and do body weight training for those four months. I think that you're going to be, you're going to be great. I'm so triveled. Yeah, if you have like a magic eight ball that tells you what kind of food they're going to drop for you. Yeah, we're doing it the same. The food situation is definitely not ideal. Last year, it was mostly just like processed carbs that we were eating. So like for dinner, it would just be like frozen food

that they would like reheat. So it'd be like lasagna or like. You must really like this hiking guide thing huh? yeah it's super cool hey you can't just go outside and tell you how many clients I've had they had this situation you can't just go outside and grab a salmon or something like that? no i actually um when i take our guests out and it's very seasoned, I always tell them we have to stop and eat berries because that's like the only fresh fruit that I get back there. And so I like eat all the berries every time I take them out because I'm just so deprived

of like nutrition. Yeah, well, not good. We're going to send you maps anywhere, okay, Lily. That's a perfect workout for, and you have bands and you said you had a broomstick, you're set. Yeah, yeah, thank you so much. No problem. bands and you said you had a broomstick, you're set. Yeah, yeah, thank you so much. No problem, thanks for listening from all the way over there by the way. Yeah, thank you.

Yeah, you guys, I've been listening to you guys for about three years now, and I just appreciate you and just like everything you produce is so authentic and I admire it. Thank you, we appreciate you, thanks a little a little crazy how handsome Justin's got in those three years, huh? Handle hand. Oh my gosh. I'm mad at you. So ugly.

Take it or to blush. Doug, just a little. Oh, yeah, just a little bit. Thanks, Lily. Thanks, guys. You got it. Dude, she's talking about talking about the bear spray with the bear. That reminds me of when I was in I was in just 70 and I had bear because I had bear, because I got chased by a bear when I was a kid.

So I get, like I'm scared of. It's a scarred for life. Yeah dude, I had a bear spray on me. I'm in the Yosemite and I dropped it. I told you guys this and it punctured. And it sprayed, it sprayed. It sprayed and my dad being like, you know, my dad's, you know, old school Sicilian.

So he's very much like, he covered it with the newspaper, keep walking. You know, so we just keep walking. But there was a cloud of pepper spray that got blown across the street. And I see people are like, they have no idea what hit them. And they're like, what's happening?

There's ahhh, they're like washing their faces and my dad's like, keep going. Just keep walking, keep walking. Dude, I was like, oh my God, but that's just a reminder of that. No, I mean, look, a lot of people think body weight training means you keep walking. Yeah, I do. I was like, oh my God, but that's just a bit of me with that. No, I mean, look, a lot of people think body weight training means you lose muscle. Now, in extreme cases, you're an extreme bodybuilder,

powerlifter that might be the case, but for most people, it just gotta be programmed, right? That's all it, and most people don't know how to program body weight extra workouts. They do push-ups, pull-ups, body weight squats, they don't know how to put them together to go a lot of different exercises. Yeah, pull-ups.

She also wrote in that she's been training consistently for three years now. So she's got a pretty good base. And all that muscle memory, you said it. She loses a little bit of muscle coming right back. Yeah, so I'm especially if you're following anywhere on there. Cause let's just, let's, let's look at the worst case scenario. Worst case scenario, she's not hitting her nutrition target.

So she's, she's not getting enough. So even if she's sending, following anywhere, like, to a tee, she and still sending a muscle-building signal, she's not giving it the proper nutrients to build or maintain. There's a very good chance she could lose, but I mean, with the consistency of training like that and making attempt to stay healthy and fit

when she gets back at old bounce. Totally. Next caller is Kevin from Illinois. Kevin, what's happening? Hey guys, how are you? What's up? No, right. All right, I appreciate you guys having me on.

I've been listening to you for, I don't know, about a year now and I learned something new every day. So I'll get right to it. I'll give you a little bit of kind of where I was, where I'm at, and where I'm trying to go. Maybe you guys can direct me in the, down the right path. So I'm 33 years old.

I've been working out for about 17 years, but never really followed any sort of, you know, specific plan, maybe in high school. I saw some decent results, but I kind of just followed, you know, do eight to 12 reps of everything, so I'd a little bit and I'll be good to go. You know, I recently learned that's not exactly how it works.

A little bit deeper into my background about two years ago, I was at a pretty low point in my life. I realized that alcohol was, you know, taking over and, you know, destroying my mental health, physical health, physical health, everything around me. So with that, there's a lot of bad eating habits, a lot of bad exercise habits. And I heard from many people including you guys that resistance training has a ton of mental health benefits. I was put through the ringer of medications and whatnot, and I finally just started to start getting into lifting,

you know, with intention, and I'm now off all that stuff, you know. Hell yeah, bro. Nice work. So, yeah, it's huge. It works. About a year ago as well, you know, I kind of started my, you started my lifting or exercise journey with CrossFit. Except I thought maybe it would be good for functional fitness for my profession. And I saw weight loss.

I was 184 pounds at my heaviest. I'm now down to 161. I had some weight loss. I started seeing myself in the mirror like, wow, something's going on here, it's actually maybe working. But I wasn't noticing any strength gains really at all. Maybe cardio wise, I was getting a little better, but I was also falling into that cortisol junkie like I've heard you guys talk about you know Crossed it seven days a week. You know I had to do it, you know to see results

And you guys also taught me that's not the way to go so you know I got into Mike Matthews bigger later stronger. That's currently what I'm doing And I have seen Quite a big bit of progress in the strength department. I'm just trying to figure out how to incorporate some other stuff to work on strength, conditioning, and physique. I'm kind of one of those typical guys that wants it all. I want that power lift or strength. I want the bodybuilder physique and the athletic condition.

But I know I can't necessarily have it all. So to lead to my question or questions, two quick questions, it can relate to each other. So firefighter paramedic, I work 24 hours on, 48 hours off. We are allowed to work out while we are on shift. However, we do still have to respond to 911 calls. So oftentimes I will, you know, get a warm up going. Maybe a couple sets of, we'll say bench press and then we get a call. And that call could last anywhere from 20 minutes to, you know, an hour plus. So now, I've got my warm up then.

Couple sets, go out on a call, come back maybe an hour later, start where I left off, and try and continue the workout, and we might get more calls, you never know. So, with that being said, if all the stars align, and I do get a complete workout in, 45 to 60 minutes, it is then possible that we have a bad night of sleep due to calls. So the main question

here is, am I wasting my time while working out on shift due to being interrupted throughout the workout and or losing sleep, you know, that quality rest to recover. So this is great, Kevin. Sounds like you've been listening to us for over a year now. You've learned all kinds of things from us. We've changed your life and then you bought a program. And then you bought a program.

And then you bought a program. And then you bought a program. And then you bought a program. And then you bought a program. And then you bought a program. And then you bought a program. And then you bought a program. And then you bought a program. And then you bought a program. And then you bought a program. And then you bought a program. And then you bought a program. What the fuck, guys? I know, I know.

Luckily, it's Mike Matthews and a good friend of ours. He's pretty damn good at what he does, too. I'm just busting your balls. Kevin, one thing before I answer your question, because there's a few things in there that I want to address. But before I do, I want you to pay attention to the addictive qualities of exercise and keep that in check, okay?

Because going to CrossFit makes a lot of sense when you ended one, you know, form of addiction move to exercise. CrossFit's very, it fits into that category of overtraining, you know, over application, you know, you said, cortisol junk eats, that's a great, it feeds it. Yeah, so pay attention to that, keep that in check with exercise. So, all right, let me answer your question with your workout I'm gonna tell you something really cool

Working out where you do a few sets take a break for an hour 30 minutes do another few sets take a break for another hour 30 minute whatever and do that's an amazing way to work out That is a phenomenal way to build lots of strength and muscle Most people don't do it because it takes all day But the fact that you're working a shift and you have that availability, take your whole workout and just chip away at it throughout the day, make sure to eat in between and take your time with what you're doing. Not only is it not going to hurt you, but I would guess you're going to probably see better strength gains than if you did all your workout all at once. So that's actually not a bad thing at all. As far as sleep is concerned,

you're gonna have to consider how you feel when you go into the day that you're gonna work out, right? So if you had a crappy night of sleep the night before, and you're going into another day, and you're like, oh, I feel really tired, and I don't know if I should be working out. I probably wouldn't, or I'd go really light, and just kinda go through the motion.

But that's how you're going to have to judge it. Don't judge it by what's going to happen tonight because you don't necessarily know. Do it like the following day like, okay, I feel crappy today. I think I'll skip today or I'll go really easy like 30% intensity. Just go through the motion just so I can move and feel okay throughout the day. That's how you should judge the sleep thing. And then when you do get the time to get sleep, prioritize it. Where you blew light blocking glasses an hour before,

make sure that it's a good setup that you're going down, you're sleeping, you're not eating a couple hours before bed, so you can really capitalize on when you do get sleep. Did you, Kevin, did you listen to the first responder episode we did? I don't know if I have. Oh, you would know. We do want to actually for you. So if you go on YouTube or even Google search, I think it's first responders dug.

If he has mind pump first responders, that should pop up, right? Yeah, if you go to mindpumpodcast.com and search it, I'm going to see if I can get it right now. I've looked it up before and I think all I had to do was go to just Google and go mind pump and first responders and it'll pop up. But yeah, for a style hit everything, so there's not much for me to contribute to that. But if you wanted even more in depth,

we went a whole hour, hour and a half conversation, specifically to first responders and all the different challenges that you guys deal with everything from mobility to race, to training, frequency, everything. So if you want even further information, definitely listen to that. 1487.

1487. At the episode 14 everything. Now Kevin, bigger leader stronger, great workout, Mike Matthews knows the stuff. But I'll, I'm gonna send you maps at a ballad because I think it's better. So. Super.

Super. Yeah. Very much. Thank you. No problem. And then again, if you got to break the work, that's better. So. Super. Super. Yeah. Very much. Thank you. No problem. And then again, if you got to break the work, that's okay. So you take the whole workout of MAP Santa Ballac, break it up so you're chipping away at it throughout the day.

And of course, make sure to eat, don't skip meals and all kind of stuff. You're going to do great. I mean, that's a phenomenal way to build strength really fast. That's really interesting. I've done it on Wicked Airport. It's deceiving how awesome it is. Yes, because you don't. It's just so inconvenient for people. You just don't get this crazy sweat

or maybe has much of a pump or burn as you do when you do everything in the hour, hour and a half. So it's deceiving on how well it works. But if you do that consistently, and I've done this before, where since I've got a gym at home and now we have one here I've played around with this where I'm breaking up my workout sometimes into two three sometimes I've got four little mini workouts and I actually really like it. Yep

Wow, okay, I was not expecting that but that's goodness. Yeah, all right Kevin We'll send you maps and a ball okay and congratulations on being sober. That's a lot that's incredible. Yeah, man Appreciate that very much guys. Thank you. You got a ball, okay? And congratulations on being sober. That's incredible. Yeah, man. I appreciate that very much, guys. Thank you. You got a brother. It got to be one of the most challenging type jobs, those shift work.

For sure. Yeah, I need a night shift especially. Yeah, because just the shift alone or the changing of the hours alone is detrimental to long-term health. So it's like, you gotta counter that and then you're dealing with bad sleep and changes in diets.

So it's a really hard thing to manage. So I'm glad you referred to that episode because we talked about all of that. Yeah, that's why the advice is challenging because it's like, I mean, you're kind of just putting band-aids everywhere because it's not really ideal for health in general. And it's like, you can't tell somebody quit their job, but here's what you need to consider

to maintain some semblance of energy and health. Well, training is another stress on the body. And people like this have got more than the average person. That doesn't mean that somebody who doesn't have this job could potentially have more stress than this person. Of course, that exists too. But right away, when I get a client that has a job like this or swing shift or like the ER nurses, things like that,

like for sure, I know that they're already caring more stress than my average person has to. And so you have to modify and accommodate the workouts to compliment that and not like be working against your body and having to try and overcome the workouts to compliment that and not be working against your body and trying to overcome all these different stress. I will say, if you're watching this and you have access to a home gym and you want to experiment with this all day workouts, you've been touting that for a few years now. It's really crazy.

I mean, you don't train it super high intensity, you want to keep it moderate high, but literally I would do like five sets every other hour starting at 9 a.m. And I would have time for food and stuff. And it's really weird how the CNS starts to adapt, you get stronger as the day goes on, then the next day. Get better at the less the more it is. It's crazy.

And the day after you did so much falling, you don't feel like you beat yourself up. You have to be careful. I've actually got really sore from train this way, thinking I wouldn't get that sore. So the total volume, Yeah, because you think that you don't ever get that real sweat or a pump like I was saying. So you kind of think like, Oh, that was nothing. And then you get that rest for recovery the whole time.

Yeah. So then when you come back to the second 20 minute workout, you feel so refreshed. But then you add up the volume. Yeah. Then you add it all up and you're like, Oh, shit. I literally just did like two workouts built into one. 40 cents. Yeah. Then you feel it. So, yeah, be careful. It's, but built into one. 40 cents for that. Yeah, then you feel it. So, yeah, be careful. It's because it is so effective. You'd be surprised on how little of effort it will feel putting towards it to have a great workout.

Our next caller is Scott from New Jersey. Scott, what's happening? How great is Scott? Hey, guys, how you going? How's it going? Thanks for having my question. I really appreciate it. You got it.

So currently I'm in phase two of Maps OCR and the workouts go in great, but I want to make sure that I'm hitting the right amount of calories. And so my question for you is, I went online and I used a BMR calculator to figure out where I should start. And I kind of came up with a number of like 2,200 calories. And so I tracked those on an app, but I also used my watch to track all my activity levels. And that always by the end of the day, depending on what exercises I do, could add on like 900, 800 more calories. So my question is, what calories do I eat? Do I eat

the calories, the 2200, or do I take into account all the activities I'm doing to make sure that I'm maintaining my muscle or even even building muscle? This is the drawback of all these tools right here. Is what happens to somebody who's trying to, you know, do this for the first time and they've got referred to, try, you know, put your food in here and then get this calorie counter here and, you know, or go check out this BMR thing online.

Like the best way to do this is for to carve out a week or two of you consistently eating ex-semonicalories. And you can use these tools to give you a starting point on where maybe you're going to do this ex-semonicalories, but you're really, you're not, don't hang on what they're telling you. Pay more attention to, hey, I've consistently eaten 2400 calories for this last week while I'm doing these consistent activities and pay attention to how you feel, pay attention to what's going on with your weight, are you dramatically dropping weight,

are you maintaining weight, are you gaining weight, and then adjust your calories based off of that and not what these tools are saying. Because that's where you, they're great for feedback or another way for you to, just like the scale, same thing. This way the scale can be amazing or can be a pain in the ass. If you allow the scale, because our goal, let's say,

was weight loss and then the next day you get on the scale and it went up one pound, that doesn't necessarily mean you were doing anything wrong. You could have easily took in a little extra sodium, drank two glasses more of water and had 30 more carbs in that day, and that could make the difference one pound on your scale up, yet you're programming your diet and everything is perfect. So the same thing works with these tools is, you know, just because your thing says that you burn three to a thousand more calories, then what you're eating doesn't necessarily need you next day.

You need to bump up a bunch of calories because you're way too low. Pay attention and see how your body moves. Use these tools as just kind of feedback for you to kind of figure it out yourself if that makes sense. Yeah, welcome to the mysterious world of metabolism. It's actually one of the most complex things

that we've observed and it changes and it adapts and it moves. So what Adam said is 100% accurate. There's no precise way of really figuring out how many calories you burned. I mean, there's some really expensive testing that you could do, it would be super inconvenient and it wouldn't make any sense. You'd have to have access to very expensive equipment

and it would be ridiculous. But so really it really just watched the scale, watched how you feel. Am I going up and wait? Am I going down and wait? Do I have energy and strength? Do I feel good? That's the best gauge. It really isn't these these things are starting points, but right. The weird part about it is if I didn't have any way to track it or track my activities and I was just trying to eat, like say the 2200 calories, the reason what was throwing me was like, how do I know I'm still in a calorie surplus or if I'm in a deficit?

Gaming or losing weight? Yeah, that's it. And you won't know based off the tools, you'll know off of being consistent with eating a certain way and consistent with your training and then allowing that data, that feedback, i.e. the scale, strength, energy, to give you feedback on, okay, am I too high at calories, am I too low at calories, am I in a sweet spot? And honestly, for someone like you,

I really, I want you to be in that sweet spot. If I really don't want to see the scale go up much, I don't want to see the scale go down much, I don't want to see the scale go down much. I want you to feel good. So I'm looking for a calorie range there where you feel like your performance is good. You're not seeing the way, and by the way, up or down one or two pounds is good. No, don't look at the daily fluctuations.

Look at it per week. And use body fat tests if you want to get even more specific. If you have access to it. Yeah, so you can test your body fat on a weekly basis. Look at your weight on a weekly basis, then you can look at lean body mass versus fat mass, and then you have all the information you need to know if you're in a surplus or a deficit.

Yeah, right. Is it you, Adam, who your beginner client that's coming in, is usually two to two weeks to a month of just tracking all the food intake, and then for the most part like the weight fluctuations with that like it takes at least that amount of time to just get some semblance of like what's going on in terms of a maintenance, right, caloric amount. And that's to me. The funny part about it was that since I started listening to you guys and it seemed like you know what I think a lot of times you guys are looking about eating more calories to bump up your metabolism and I know I've always,

it's been hard for me to even eat 2,000 calories so this is like really pushing myself but the thing that was interesting I was 178 and I started eating a lot of calories and my weight started coming down. Well, you know, here's something else. You started building muscle probably. Yeah. And your metabolism will look at here's a deal here. This is interesting now.

If you increase your calories, this is for most people. Just an increase in calories will cause the metabolism to speed up a little bit. Cutting calories will cause it to slow down a little bit. Okay, and this effect varies depending on the person, how long the surplus or deficit is happening. Like, there's a range of calories that your currently body mass will burn on one end is less efficient, on the other end is more efficient, and the things that determine efficiency have to do with hormones and sleep, and if you're building muscle or not building muscle and strength and all that stuff. So, just go, I would go week by week,

look at the scale. And if you have access to a body fat percentage test, take that on a weekly basis, same day, same time, make sure it's very consistent. And then calculate fat mass, lean mass, what's going on, am I going up or am I going down? And then that'll tell you right there. And if you're going up, you're eating more than you're burning.

If you're going down, you're eating less than you're burning. That's the bottom line. No matter what that number is, it's telling you if you're eating more or less than you're burning. If you're going down, you're eating less than you're burning. That's the bottom line. No matter what that number is, it's telling you if you're eating more or less than you're burning. Right. So I have access to like a scale that you stand on to do your percent body fat.

And I also have the one that you can hold in your hands. Yeah. But I always get different numbers between the two. Yeah. Whatever you use. So that's electronic impedance. It's one of the least accurate and easiest to get to fluctuate. So pick one, stick to that one, do it the same time,

the same day, and make sure you have the same amount of water and food in your system. Make everything as consistent as possible. So that reading will give you, it'll tell you the trend up or down. Preferably in the morning on the same day of the week. So every Friday, first thing in the morning before you do anything, yeah. Naked or just first thing.

That's what you got to do and that that'll give you. And again, whether it says 60% body fat or 6% body fat matters less to me. It's that that's the starting point. Let's adjust your diet to what we think you should be at. And then monitoring it week over week, is it going up or down percentage or maintaining is how I'm going to adjust? I do not want to get caught up on the actual percentage

that it says and worry about how it could be conflicting with another tool. It's like, they're all great tools. They really are, but they can get over complicated when we hang on the data that it's feeding us. And it's like, you know, we're better off getting an idea from just tracking ourselves and figuring out where, like with Justin was alluding to that's how I start everybody is. I use all these tools. I love them. But before we even introduce them, I actually want them to figure

out, you know, their way long form, right, or whatever you want to say that for lack of a better word of just figuring out yourself by tracking where your metabolism currently is. And that just takes a little bit time for us a couple of weeks. Tracking steps too with like a pedometer or a Fitbit or anything I got. Yeah, I use a Garmin watch.

Okay, okay. Yeah, but no, I mean, everything we said, that's pretty much it. It just track it on a weekly basis and watch the trends. Don't get caught up so much on the number, but look at the trends. Is it up or down?

Right. So I'll just use one number for my calories and ignore the extra calories added back in from activities. Yeah. Yeah. And then based on if you go up or down and body fat and weight, then you'll know if you need to add or drop color. All right. All right.

That sounds awesome. Thank you. Well done Scott. Thank you very much guys. No problem. Yeah, it's really that's the only way to do it is to track that way because there's nothing is going to be precise or exact. Such individual variances. Yeah, and there's changes on it could change on a daily basis.

Yeah, and they're all these are all different tools. So they're all you know, they're all giving them different feedback and it can get really confusing if you hang on, you know, precisely with a number. Versus kind of taking all that data and getting like an idea, right? Of like, okay, well this says that I was probably too low of calories this week.

Oh, and my body fat percentage actually went up because I'm probably losing muscle. So, okay, let me increase protein a little bit of calories. So, you use it like that as a general way to give you an idea if I'm heading in the right direction, getting caught up on the, and this, I mean, I used to have a lot of challenges with like my engineer clients,

who were like, so they were, live and die by the numbers. Yeah, they live and die by the numbers and they want to be like, and I'd always have to tell them like, it's not, we can't do that because of what you brought up with the Mattel, the Mattel was, it was so complex that it literally can change week to week. It's up and down. I know it just all the time.

Yeah, and only that, like let's say we figure out exactly where you're going to tell us and then like, and you just stick to that number for three weeks. Well, and then, and then you have poor sleep for three days a row. Like changes, you know, so there's, you can't really get to hung up on these, these tools and, and, you know,

the marry the data that they're giving you. They're great to have. I don't like, I like them. I like having them, but this is where it becomes a problem when you hang on it like that. Look, if you like our information, head over to MindPumpFree.com and check out our guides. We have guides that can help you with almost any health or fitness goal.

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