Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1828: The Dangers of Eating Too Much Protein, the Role Strength Has in Boosting the Metabolism, the Best Old School Bodybuilding Diet & Training Wisdom & More

Episode Date: June 3, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about how much protein is too much protein, whether gaining strength boosts the metabolism, their favorite “old school��� bodybuilding wisdom when it comes to training and nutrition, and the importance of novelty when performing mobility movements. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Body type-based diets and workout programs are largely fake news. (2:35) What a great example of genetics. (6:27) Old man strength is a real thing! (20:22) Vuori, getting men to dress their age. (22:53) Microplastics may be linked to inflammatory bowel disease, a study finds. (29:59) Saving the environment and money with Public Goods. (33:57) Experimenting with peptides to boost sex drive. (37:52) The growing trend of sniffing trenabol. (42:07) Nanotechnology is fascinating! (50:04) Women have CRAZY genetics too! (51:10) #Quah question #1 - How much protein is too much protein? (53:27) #Quah question #2 - Does gaining strength boost your metabolism, or does that happen only when gaining mass? (1:01:33) #Quah question #3 - What are your favorite pieces of “old school” bodybuilding wisdom when it comes to training and nutrition? (1:06:45) #Quah question #4 - You guys talk about novelty when it comes to exercise. Does that apply to mobility movements as well? (1:12:57) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit Vuori Clothing for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit Public Goods for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Receive $15 off your first Public Goods order with NO MINIMUM purchase** June Promotion: Shredded Summer Bundle or MAPS HIIT 50% off! **Promo code JUNE50 at checkout** WATCH: DK Metcalf says he eats ‘three or four bags of candy’ daily on Kevin Garnett’s Showtime podcast How Your Genetics Influence Your Muscle Building Potential – Mind Pump Blog Scientists Find Link Between Microplastics and IBD Symptoms MP Hormones Mind Pump Hormones Facebook Private Forum PT-141 | Review of Benefits, Dosage, Side Effects, and More Ibutamoren - Wikipedia More Plates More Dates – Sniffing Tren Impossibly Small Robot Crabs Could Someday Be Used Inside Bodies   Nataliya Amazonka before steroids Visit Drink LMNT for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! The Myth of Optimal Protein Intake – Mind Pump Blog What is NEAT and Why Should You Care About it? - Mind Pump Blog The Resistance Training Revolution – Book by Sal Di Stefano MAPS Prime Pro Webinar Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Joe DeFranco (@defrancosgym)  Instagram More Plates More Dates (@moreplatesmoredates)  Instagram Ben Pakulski (@bpakfitness)  Instagram Nataliya Kuznetsova (@nataliya.amazonka)  Instagram

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Yeah, I saw some people asking that question on the Instagram, on ours. I could be a bit like this, if you're a bit like that, if you're this is how you should eat, this is how you should train. So okay, marketing tactics, 101. Complete bullshit, or do you think there's some truth in validity to it? I think there's a little bit of general truth into some of those. Like for example, if you're a hard-gainer versus maybe somebody who tends to gain weight a little more easy.

However, when you consider a person's goals, training history, and then just their them as an individual, you can throw all that up the window. For example, traditional wisdom, it's not even wisdom, but traditionally they would say someone who's a hard-gainer or an ectomorph, right? The real skinny person has a tough time gaining weight versus an endomorph, someone who's like gains weight easier and heavier, they would say, well, an endomorph has an easier time gaining weight, that also means they have an easier time building muscle. Not true. I've met ectomorphs who built muscle very easy with strength training, and I've met Endomorphs where it was really hard to get their body to adapt with muscle building.

Now that's true, but I think that's more of an anomaly and that's the reason why they can get away with this. Maybe, I think that really, like on one hand count how many times that's been true in my career where the opposite was true. It's almost always when you have somebody who is big-boned and have a hard time losing weight, they typically can put on muscle easier

than the skinny acta morphe. So here's where I'll challenge that. If you control for calories, I disagree. In other words, if you take the acta morphe as a tough time gaining weight and you put them in a surplus, then they gain some times depending on their genetics, they gain muscle. I know a lot of... if you take the ectomorph as a tough time gaining weight and you put them in a surplus, then they gain, sometimes depending on their genetics, they gain muscle and there's, I know a lot of...

Okay, that's fair, okay, that's fair, but I think that's part of why this works though, is because you are factoring in the behaviors of that type of person. The behavior of the skinny kid who can't gain weight, also meal skips, eat small meals, moves a lot, and some of that, the behaviors of the kid who's oh really overweight and has a hard time losing weight,

doesn't move as much, eats a lot of calories. So yeah, so okay, I'll give you that, but that's why this works. That's why I think so many, why there's so many people that continue to market this way, because what ends up happening is some kid, or it doesn't be a kid, so some individual gets this marketed to them

and they go, oh my God, that's me, I'm the... I relate to that. Yeah, all these over generalizations, that's what it is, it's like they're trying to throw a chum out there and see who it resonates with and a lot of times, that's how then they can kind of corral them into the specific plan. Same reason why they'll sell protein powder for women,

protein powder for men, right? Cray team for women, Cray team for men, I've seen that a million times. It's just human psychology, they're trying to tap into that. Market it, yeah. Yeah, it's marketing. And really if you're looking for a workout program or nutrition program that's general,

so you're not hiring a coach, right? Because that's ultimate. The ultimate program, the ultimate nutrition program, is individualized. There's nothing that can beat something that's individualized, especially designed by a really good experienced coach. But let's say you're not doing that, and you're looking general.

So you're not going to hire someone, but you're like, okay, I'm looking at these general programs, I'm looking at general nutrition advice. What should I apply to myself? I would base it off of your goals, your history, and your behaviors, not how you look, not necessarily your body type or even your gender, or even necessarily your age.

I think it has much more to do with goals and how my body feels and how I respond and my behaviors. That makes the most sense across the board. But it is, it's usually pretty smart marketing that they do that. You know, along the lines of talking about nutrition and stuff, I want to bring up something that you had actually brought up

not that long ago that I now, I don't know if it was, did you just read the whole diet on DK Metcalf, the football player with the skittles. That's the girls. So okay, the guy. It is a guy. Now, did you just see that and it was recent news? Was that old news and you were just remembering that? And it was recent news, it was that old news

and you were just remembering that. Because now I see it going viral on social media. I had just read it. Oh, okay. So it was the real deal. The Franka Post is about it. And I saw the same article. Was it relatively new?

Yeah. Oh, okay. Because I thought that was old information. What an example of genetics by the way. Well, okay, so here's why I'm bringing it up. So I've seen Joe a bunch of other people posted it. Um, I was on what's his name's page More plates more dates. I like his stuff right he puts out really good content shout out to him

Um, and he actually posted about D. K Medcath the actual clip of him in the interview talking about his diet and uh Shannon Sharp is the interviewer the Hall of Fame football player And he's basically rousing him like, bro, what are you doing? Like you, you got to get on this, you got to take care of your body and he's, and then of course more plates, more dates has a huge following. So just like hundreds of trainers are on there. Like, are totally like, yeah, imagine this guy's a freak of nature already. Imagine if he's, and I think I was the only person that got on there said, well, it's not that simple. No. You know, he's a, he's at the professional level.

He's been eating this way for most of his life as a, as a football player. And you have to factor in the psychological part. That's huge. And, and predictable at this point. Yeah. Now, all of us nutrition nuts and fitness nerds know that if someone eats bags of skittles, you know, and red bull rock star type drinks, and then they only have one meal in the day, and there are 265 pound piece like that. He's probably not getting all the nutrients his body should get. And if you were to optimize that, he potentially would perform better, potentially. But if that fucks with his psychology,

even in the slightest bit, even the benefits of the nutrition value that he's now getting could be out weighed by the negative effects of messing with his head. Let me definitely have to consider that. Let me tell you something. If you've ever worked with high level athletes, just as even high level high school or college athletes, they're the most ritualistic people you'll ever find.

They're the most superstitious people you'll ever find. Like, oh, before every big game, I, you know, my 12 piece nugget and I have a diet coke. And that's what I do before every game, right? And if you take that away from them because you're like, that's unhealthy, messes with their psyche and then they don't play as well. And this is true.

In fact, I've talked to NFL coaches and trainers, or should I say trainers, and they'll say, you don't want to mess with stuff too much, because what they've done is worked for them, and when you screwed up a little bit, like here's a more obvious example, right? You look at the movement patterns of some high-level athletes, or you look at the feet of pro NBA players, all messed up,

and you think they should do correctional exercise. Like that would fix their problem. No, they've learned how to play as well as they do with their compensations. You go to correct imbalances, they're gonna move differently, you know, hurt their game. So, yeah, it's not as easy as people say.

That was one of those that kind of blew my mind as a young trainer, you're like, always, you see the imbalances, you see things that you can help fix, but yeah, for them to learn an all new way of moving and it's gonna take years for them to repattern a lot of those things and correctly. And so, you know, why, like,

is that really something that is gonna provide value to that athlete at that level who's already very comfortable with their body and those, like, you know, how do, you do you apply this at a high level? Yeah, we're not talking about a high school kid who's still maturing and growing and developing, and is, you know, even if he's at a high level at high school, he's still got a lot of learning and changing to happen.

And so why not start to help this kid out with that? You were talking about a, you know, pro-bull athlete that's been in the NFL for several years now that has been doing this already for decades of his life and has figured it out. And so yes, all of us nutrition nerds and stuff wanna get on there and pick it apart and be like, oh, and then that's like what the thread,

like everyone's saying is like, some people come to his defense, well what if in that one meal he's getting all his macros highly unlikely, right? One meal, I doubt a 260 pound man is getting that's playing at that high level is getting enough of his macro balance in there. But I could make the case so that his body has definitely adapted to what he's been giving it and he's performing at a very high level and that the benefit of optimizing his nutrition may give him very little in comparison to what it could fuck with him psychological.

Yeah, and also, this is the other thing. People confuse healthy and longevity with extreme performance. There's totally different beats. Improving performance will improve your health at some point, and then at some point, improving your performance, you start to see a decline in health.

We're talking about very high performing extreme athlete. Look at the lifespan of the average NFL player. It's in the 60s. They don't even live as long as the average obese unhealthy American. Why? Well, they push themselves so hard and they get into the equivalent like three car crashes every single game.

Like this is not what they do has nothing to do with health. What they're doing has everything to do with extreme performance. So yeah, we, I could look at his diet and say, I could definitely make you healthier, but to look at his diet and say, I can make you perform better, especially at someone at that level, is a little bit arrogant and naive because it's way more complicated than we think. And it's not just the nutrients that they're taking in. The psychological piece plays such a big role

in an athlete's performance at that level. It plays such a massive role that the top performing athletes at that level, they definitely have the genetics, they definitely have the skill and the ability, but they also have a psychological mindset that separates them from other players. I used to see this with high level

grappling and mixed martial arts. There were guys in the gym practicing who were amazing at grappling, amazing at mixed martial arts, but when they went to compete, they would suck because they couldn't handle the pressure and what's going on. There's a whole host of things that's happening. A lot of the rituals, I mean, it's something that, like, you lean on that to be able to have that freedom of being calm in a very stressful situation. Yeah. And like, the best of the best, when the games on the line, when it's that last second shot, like, the ones that do the best, they're the ones that are the calmest out there. And it's, all those rituals like,

you know, are a part of that process of being able to get in that kind of a flow state. Well, that's what I think people don't understand. It's that the, you know, what we don't know is that, you know, maybe this kid, when he was young, you know, always had this bag of skittles before games. And when he did that, yeah, so he has this association with fun and life was simpler when I was you know 12 and playing with my buddies

And like it's become this thing that he always does and it puts them in this really positive happy calm place And then he goes out on the field boys now with a balanced meal Support probably more energy and potential recovery from the game absolutely But at the cost of him getting out of that mindset that he's trained himself to be in by eating this these these same foods. And it's really it's really hard for fitness people to grasp this because it's just like this can't be possible. Well, because we're so inflamed. Yeah. You know why though. And I understand I empathize with coaches and trainers. When you're a trainer, look, I trained people for two decades. Do you know how many people I trained at that level of performance? Zero. Every single person I trained people for two decades. Do you know how many people I trained at that level of performance?

Zero. Every single person I trained, almost every single person I trained, was an everyday average person. And I did train some athletes that competed at pretty high levels, not that level, but some pretty high levels. So what I observed worked for the average person,

for the most part, when you're dealing with the extremes, it's weird. It really is. It doesn't always. Doesn't click. Doesn't always click. Doesn't always make sense. Like, I had an executive that I trained.

I can't even say his name because if I do, people will know who he is because he's worked, like, hand in hand with some of the top entrepreneurs of our lifetimes. Okay, so this guy's brilliant. He's got multiple patents, very smart guy. And his lifestyle was anything but healthy. But when we would try to change it,

it would mess them up when you would do his presentations and his meetings and stuff. Why, I don't know why I can't explain it, but I also can't explain why this guy can invent and innovate at the rate that he did. That didn't make sense to me either. So at that level, things get kind of weird. And I'll say this about genetics,

they can be crazy and extreme. And it's rare, right? But I've met people, and I would consider that level, that just, it just doesn't make sense. Well, that's another good point though, right? Because one of the things that, I mean, I think I forget the name of the kid who runs the more plates more dates, but he, the example or is that yeah, yeah, that's right.

I should call him a kid. Sorry, I know he's not a kid. He's a grown ass. Everybody's a kid now. He's one year younger than us. He's a kid. That's a bad habit. I don't mean that in a disrespectful way. So whatsoever. But, uh, it was a point I was making about his comment on the nutrition. Oh, what you just said about like so remember when we talked to

Ben Pukolsky and blew my mind But that's what came to mind right away because they're talking about oh, I doubt it's possible that he could be getting what his body needs in One single meal a day. Well after listening to Ben talk about what makes these superior, you know Bodybuilder so superior when it comes to dieting and stuff like that. It completely changed the way I look at it. I tell you what. So right now I weigh about, I don't know, 2.12 to 2.15. And if I wanted to bulk and push, by the way, this is heavy for me. If I wanted to push my bodyweight to, let's say, 2.25.

So I want to gain 10 pounds. I would have to eat probably 5,000 calories a day, which would be very hard. I'd have to stuff myself, get perfect sleep. And that would bring me up to 225. There's 280 pound bodybuilders that eat 3,000 calories a day. Yeah. How genetics, I used to think, and what you're referring to is a conversation with Pekolsky where I said,

man, bodybuilders, they've got crazy digests and to be able to eat as much as they do to get as big as they do. He goes, no, bro, He goes, is utilized the nutrients? Yeah, he goes, they're big because they can eat like a normal amount and build as much muscle. And I mean, I say normal amount, they're still eating more than the average person. But you're looking at 280 pound ripped. Yeah, the ratios are off. Like, 35, 100 calories for those calories?

I've been there at 5500 calories and at 230 and like like part of what stops me at 230 is that like, man, I've got to go to six or 7,000 calories. If I want to go to 240 to 50, that's just how it's worked. Because I don't have those genetics like that. Where, so that's what came to mind to me is like, everybody's like, there's, I doubt a 260 pound, you know, pro athlete is getting enough calories. Obviously he is.

Yeah, I know. Maybe he is actually for his body. Maybe he only, maybe he only needs 2500 calories. Some of these guys are crazy Yeah. I know. Maybe he is actually for his body. Maybe he only, maybe he only needs 2500 calories. Yeah. Some of these guys are crazy. You've ever seen Herschel Walker. I was just going to mention. Where you? Herschel Walker had a weird diet as well. Like once a day. Yeah. Once a day, he fought. Isn't he the one who popularized the, the, the Oman diet or what? The one he's the guy people would refer to. Herschel Walker, one of the most gifted athletes of all time, in his 50s fought. he fought in MMA in his 50s and watched him fight.

Looked incredible. He just, he's running for mayor. He just won, he just won a seat in Congress. I mean, it's just sometimes these people, I've met a couple people where I didn't believe them until I watched them. And I was like, this is just, I've told this guy, the story about this guy before. I'm sure he's heard this story literally popped hearts and in 99 cents cheeseburgers because he barely had any money. Yeah. And the guy would go out to the gym and do skull crushers. And I'm not making this up. I swore to God. I remember he did, and

this before we had cell phones with, with cameras, I swear I would have filmed it. Skull crushers with 225. Like perfect form. The long barbell. barbell doing and I'm looking at it like I quit I don't want to do the same as the apps to I mean ripped you know just ripped and just it's just insane I also had a client talk about genetics I had a client who had a kid now she was a college athlete and her husband was a college athlete so that he was a soccer player she she did I forgot what she was swimming, I think. So they're both high level athletes. And they had this little boy and they brought him in.

And he was like three and a half. He wasn't even four years old. And to watch this kid swing a bat and catch a baseball and throw a three and a half years old. I remember looking at it and I wonder, God, I should find, I should get in contact with him. I bet you this kid's doing some crazy stuff, but at three and a half years old, he's doing things I couldn't do when I was 15 years old. It's crazy.

But those, you know, what would you do? Yeah, there's all, there's definitely a major genetic component. I just don't think people think about that when it comes to nutrition too. Yeah, like you think about it, that's an obvious one. And it's rare, by the way, most people are not like that. Yeah, no, but it's maybe equally rare

with the physical attributes But we can see that right so you can see like your example you're giving everybody's had the the nephew or cousin or kid or Brother sister who they were like Jesus said like four they were already doing these crazy things right so people have seen that But not a lot of people can can see that. Oh, you don't know what this guy was eating or not And I know Justin's brought up someone who used to work for us. We had a trainer, I had a trainer who worked for me for years. Jerry shot out to Jerry. Oh, yeah, he was out just great guy. He looked like he was ready, stage ready year round.

And eight skipped his first meal, eight Taco Bell for lunch, train, train like modern intense biceps. Just freaking, yeah, all natural. You know, I'm saying just gorgeous physique dude just unreal So I'm sick here bro I'm secure I can call another man's physique Speaking of this these kind of genetic stuff All the other man's is equal. Hey, speaking of this kind of genetic stuff, I was funny yesterday, so my son works here now,

my 16 year old son, and we were out there in the front, and he's helping, he's learning how to edit, so we're out there with the editors, and I'm hanging out eating a little bit, and my son goes, I don't know, we were telling stories, and my son goes, hey, did you tell them the time, no, no, it's my dad, right? That he lifted the heavy chair, by the bottom way, whatever.

So then he got to confirm the story. And I don't know where those genetics went, dad. I mean, maybe my brother has them, but I definitely don't have them. I'd say your brother has them. Maybe because your brother cycles, but yet then he can get in there and lift like. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, but he puts what, a tenth of and lift like. Yeah, that's true. But I mean, he puts what? A tenth of the effort in the gym that you do.

Oh, he just, he's just a strong horse. Yeah, but my dad was like, even this one, so I'm going to tell him the story. He was in his 60s. And I, and I tell these got arthritis everywhere. He's got pain and stuff. He can't really move very well. And we were hanging out. This was like last year.

And my son doesn't believe my stories when When I tell him what your grandfather does. So we're all sitting there and I tell my dad. I said, you know, I tell my son the stories and he's unbelievable. And my dad says, oh yeah, and he goes, do you think I could, we had these old, you know, wooden heavy chairs.

He goes, I bet you I could, do you think I could lift it from the bottom leg from the end with my arm straight? And my son's like, no way. My dad goes over and he freaking dusts it, my son's face is like, how does he do that? Genetics, I have no idea. He's able to summon CNS power that comes from nowhere.

I wish I was like, old man superhealing. That's, bro, that's years and years of cement mixing, right? I know, dude. It's more like tile and stuff. No, I really, I mean, of course, there's a genetic component, and then there's also what we've talked about is just, you know, you just train and live that way. Yeah, old man's strength is a real thing.

I mean, you've been in this body for so many years. Yeah, when you're like 17, you rest on your uncle. Yeah, you may, you may, as you get older, you may lose a lot of the muscle that you had when you were in your 20s, but the CNS actually could continue to improve. So we'll always assume that, as you get older, all of a sudden you're just gonna get some more body aware,

because you've been in your body. Yeah, that's all part of that, right? So yeah, no, I think. I know, every guy has that, I think every guy's experienced that where you're like 18, kind of feeling yourself, I'm strong, I could take my uncle down with the pop belly over there,

and then he just kicks your ass. Yeah, holds you down to first first flippin' burger. Yeah, that's on the grill. And it's like, your spine just hits the back of you. Yeah. I used to hate that. Anyway, so I want to ask you a question, Adam. Yeah.

Why don't you look as good as Justin and I. Yeah, I was gonna say, you're rocking the college shirt on the CD. Obviously, we work with yours. I got my full drip here. I obviously did not get to the Viori memo. Actually, it's just good to see you guys finally bought in completely.

What do you mean by? I wear a little flair. I've been getting a lot of the color. We're wrapping, dude. Because I'm trying to look more mature. You're getting that, I see that on the YouTube. Just because like some mature man apparently. I'll just keep getting mature.

Is that what influenced it? I had a feeling that's what it is. No, I just want, you know what it is. I, where was I? It's a while, I was at the mall. And there was a dude in his 40s. And he was kind of fit, right? And he was with his family.

And he was wearing like jeans and a t-shirt and whatever. And I looked at him like, he kind of looks like a kid. Like, it doesn't look as good as he could. And I'm like, wait a minute, that's me. Like, I need to, I need to start dressing my age, you know? Look at, I need to start looking more mature, you know? So that's, that was what inspired me. So this is where you tip over completely.

I'm going back now. No, I don't know. I'm going to start, keep my tiny beard nice and sharp. Maze will hike the pants up a little bit more, tuck the shirt in. No, man. Hey, speaking of which, are those, are those, are those, those are like the original Jordans look like that,

right, but they weren't that color? These are, these are fours, yeah. Jordans. Are they? Yeah. Wow. How I can never tell you she laces Because I like to get out of them in out of them really easy really yeah somebody was giving me a hard time about the talking I'm not trying to run anywhere so why why why why do you want to get in an atom? I just want to go home. Oh, yeah, when I kick him off, you know because I know you're the opposite like you fucking strangle your feet in your No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, No, you have smaller feet than I do. No, same size. Are you? Yeah.

You are not. I swear to God, what's that? I wear a size 12, 12 and a half. What do you wear? No, you don't. Bro, I'll take my shoe off right now and show you. Really, you have 12 shoe, but then you wear a medium shirt. I'll say, I don't wear a medium shirt.

Hold on, I'll say, you're three inches taller than me. So on this feet, dude. We have the same size foot though. That's kind of weird. What does that mean? No, no, no. But those are the originals, huh? I remember Jordan Forrest.

What is that? There was a one before, there's a one, two, three, and then a four? There's five and six and seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, good, that's for a while. Yeah, that's for a long time, dude. I don't know about any of this stuff. Yeah, the, you know, I, this is one of my favorite styles. So I have four.

I distinctly remember those. Yeah. When did they first come out? So that would be we would be this one when we were probably let's see here six grade or fifth sixth grade. You're a little bit older me. So you you were maybe a little seventh eighth or something like that. Yeah. That's why I remember. Yeah. Because that's when kids start running. Right for high school. Right before high school for you I was a little bit younger. When did you get your first pair? Because when I was a kid, so these were actually before me.

So I, my first pair were, cause they were expensive. Yeah, like, like, I grabbed my first pair of expensive shoes. They were a hundred bucks back then. Yeah, they were like 130. My grandma bought my first pair. What number was it where they were black

and then they had kind of the gum, or like the silver tongue, the red and then had like a clip on the front. So those were my first pair. Those are the, Doug, when you pull up Jordan 7s, I think those are the Jordan 7s. I believe that was my, those were my first pair. They were black and gray. And with the insert, the, like the real smooth insert, and then had the little, the little

drawstring tie on it. Those are my first pair. I was in fourth or fifth grade, and I had them for maybe a few days. My grandmother bought them for me, and I played Mudfootball in them. Wow! Just some dung.

Yes, there's sevens, right? Just a... Oh, I remember those. Wait, wait, click on the other stick. There's that pair right there is my very first pair. Oh, I remember those two. So these are fours So these are like mud, football and kids. I was a dumb kid. I was like, you know, you don't know any better at that age.

Wow. Yeah. And then what did you do when he came home? Just like cried. No, I just like a dumb kid. I just they fucking sit. They had mud all in. I was so into what we were doing that I wasn't thinking about my shoes, you know. Yeah. I mean, at that, I don't know. I was so into what we were doing that I wasn't thinking about my shoes, you know? Yeah. I mean, at that, I don't know. I was never into really expensive sneakers or tennis shoes. Ever. Never, never. I got one pair a year and it was normally my grandmother.

My grandmother would take me shopping. And that was the first and last year I ever ruined them, right? So I ruined them like that and then anything going for it. It was like my first thing I got my, it got my ass chewed for that. And then after that, anytime I had, I got one nice pair for the school year and I like to care them and I only wore them.

And then as I got older, that still stayed at one nice pair a year. And they were like, I had court shoes. I had developed a relationship. I, you know, I take that back. I never bought into like the expensive like, you know, shoes that everybody had.

But I did develop this this relationship with Indoor soccer shoes and here's why so you guys know I used to wear like Samba's yeah, oh that kind of said okay. Here's why I bought a pair once and then I was some girl compliment. No. No. No. No. You would think right no We were playing flag football or something and I was like felt super fast and I was like, that's it. These are the shoes. And I wore a super fast. Yeah, it's got to be the shoes, dude. Like, super fast. Speaking of, you know, of, you know, superstitions and rituals, that was mine. But I'm a indoor soccer shoe so I can go fast. Yeah, yeah. I would pick like my favorite athlete. Obviously, like Michael Jordan at the time, but then it was both Jackson's, I got both Jackson's

and Larry Johnson, then he had these black top converse that I would wear. Cause I played a lot of basketball, just pick up games and stuff. I followed a lot of basketball as a kid. That's all I wore with pennies, Iversons, Jordan's, but my first pair of Jordan's weren't told the seven's, so these came later.

I actually didn't get introduced to the, actually wearing a pair of fours till actually way later. Wasn't that long ago? That wasn't that long ago when, I think somebody else, I'm like, oh man, my fours are my favorite. I'm like, I've actually, I never,

as I got older and I would go back and buy Jordans again, I only bought Jordans that I wore because I wore them. I remember wearing them and liking them. Oh, yeah, you have the sentimental about that. Right, that part of it. And so I never went back to the ones, the two. So I have my first pair of ones, not that long ago. And then I have several fours now.

You know what shoes I remember a lot in junior high in high school, Cortez, remember those? Yeah, you know why? It's a popular game. Yeah, you know why? Because you were the eggshell front. They were gangsters shoes. No, okay, hold on a second.

This was what was weird about them. They were gangsters shoes when we were here. You were either, you were either a gangster or a skater. Yeah. You were, it was weird. It was like these two groups that were a gangster skater. Yeah. You were, you went out against your skater. You were just, were you a skater? No. I was, I was a, that was a mountain cholo. I know. I know. Yeah. I kind of the the cross of the flannel and the, yeah, you had Chino, you had Chisacum. Oh, yeah.

Ben Davis and all that. You were the Ben still, huh? Yeah, Ben Davis and the Dickies and, yeah, dude, that was my thing. Wow. That was definitely the guy. Hey, you guys want to hear a crappy study? Yeah, a crappy study.

Yeah, I just read this really sad study, maybe a north. A scientist have connected microplastics to irritable bowel syndrome. So irritable bowel disease and syndrome and gut issues just continue to rise, like more and more people developing issues with their digestion of their gut. And scientists in China have connected microplastics

in people's gut and in their system to having digestive issues. Where do you get these microplastics from? Well, here's one big way. Drinking water out of plastic bottles. So when you buy water in a plastic bottle, the manufacturing and processing of where they put the cap on and everything, microplastics get in the water.

So when you drink that, so you get your bottle water and you're like, oh, this is cool. Also, when the sun hinted, it leaches in too, right? Yeah, but we're talking, right, that's not mouse, right? Those are the chemicals. This is actual, small, tiny, microscopic, fragments of plastic. Dude, like, I hope that scares Katrina from buying it.

I've been, it's been been like a at home little argument that we've been in for a while. Plastic water bottles. She just loves the convenience of them for using them in the house all the time and it drives me crazy because I'm like, dude, first of all, we were invested in a water company that I could use.

Yeah, and they use aluminum. Yeah, and then the end, it's refillable. So it's not that expensive for us to get like one of those filters put in the house. I told her already, like, I'll get it, I'll do'll do it and I said I'll fill up all the water do it But she just she likes having the we have the small ones with tall ones They're always going through my house and I'm like oh my god. She's like what did you become this guy mr Drive your big ol lifted truck and like care to love like oh god

You wrote it in my face like that. You fucking, you all crutching me now. You bottle in your V8s around all over the place and burning gas like crazy. You know what the last thing is everywhere. But what you're saying makes sense because you also save money. So you save money if you have a filter. You have refillable bottles that are made out of

either aluminum or glass. I like glass. It's really good to,, obviously you can break it. And then you, I don't know about you guys, when you take out your recycling. So I use to buy water bottles all the time. Go to Costco and get like a huge pack of, and then I go in my recycling, take the garbage out,

and it's just so many plastic bottles. I'm gonna be like, oh, this is kind of weird. That's how I feel. Especially considering we grew up, I swore to God in this, in the, in the, of the host. In the 80s, if you had told somebody, oh, huge market, people are gonna buy water,

people are gonna say, it's laughing out of the building. We're gonna buy air in this. What else you think is gonna be like that, right? Do you ever think about, I always think about stuff like that. Things that we would have never thought like, that we would be paying like, maybe we'll start some dirt.

Yeah, like, from, well, I mean, yeah, like from exotic place, it's exotic dirt. Yeah, they do sell from, well, I mean, yeah, like from exotic place, it's exotic dirt. Yeah. I think here. Well, you know, like, have you ever tried to buy like a, you know, to get like a rock with moss on it? That's hell expensive. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Oh, I got a store. Yeah, you didn't know that? If you want a rock that has like moss growing on it, some of that, those rocks are hell expensive. Yeah, or you can go to the woods and try and find it. Yeah, that's what I do. Did I tell you guys, I don't know if I told you guys a story

about when Jessica, she got into rock painting, she'd get like smooth rocks and she's really artistic. Does a really good job. Yeah, she drew them up at the turkey house. She did, really, I'm just still there, right? So I remember I would come home, this is when she was pregnant with my youngest, and she, you know, she would have done one or two of them

and it was really peaceful for her whatever. And I was like, wow, he's really nice. And I'm like, where do you get these rocks from? She's like, oh, you know, she would have done one or two of them and it was really peaceful for her, whatever. And I was like, wow, he's really nice. I'm like, where do you get these rocks from? She's like, oh, you just go outside, I go for walks, you know, and front of people's yards. Still in good neighborhood. I'm like, honey, I'm like, you're stealing people's rocks. And she goes, no, it's not, it's rocks, it's nature.

It's the whole less like it. Do you think that those are just natural rocks that we have laying around everywhere? She's like, oh shit. I didn't even think of that. And I'm like, yeah, do you just do plug it up in the neighbor's yard? Yeah.

I was like, I don't know why we get to keep real we feel in the rocks here. People get their yard fucked up because she's taking their rocks. There's a pretty new path left. Well, speaking of waste and stuff like that, so one of our sponsors, public goods, one of the things I like that they do,

and I just got this, right? I just got an order for dish soap. When you first buy a product from them, they'll give you like the main container. It's like shampoo or soap or cleaner or whatever. And it comes in like what you would normally expect a plastic bottle that you would get at the grocery store except public goods also takes another step

and they try to get rid of certain plastics and chemicals and whatever, but nonetheless, normal bottle. Then when you go to reorder, it's less expensive and they send you a bag that is less plastic, less waste to refill. And it's one third, the price, right? And it's less. So it's like you wanna refill your shampoo

or your hand soap, you don't get another one of those bottles. It takes away more sense than having to just get a container every single time. I think everywhere should do that. I know. Imagine if you go to the grocery store. Like a duh.

Yeah, you get your original product, but then when you go back, you get your refillable bags, which is way less waste, better for the environment, probably cost less because they don't need to put it in the same place. Yeah, that's an interesting thought.

I don't know why. Obviously, they're direct to consumer, so it's a smart model for them and an easy model for them to do. I wonder if it, what kind of challenges are presented to do that like in Costco, for example, you're exactly. I think it's all about consumer education because the consumer would be,

maybe would think like what's the difference between, you know what I mean? Maybe that's what it is, but I think it's the way of the future, for sure. Well, I feel like if they, if they price structure the same way that public goods does, right? So if you looked at a public goods shampoo bottle, I don't know what Doug had it up a minute ago,

like how many ounces it is, but it's like, I don't know, six or seven ounces for the little shampoo bottle or what are they? They have 12 ounces. There's 12 ounces. Okay, so it's 12 ounces for the shampoo bottle. Are you pulling it up for me? It's not okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So 12 ounces, it's 12 ounces. Okay, so it's 12 ounces for the shampoo bottle. Are you pulling it up for me? It's not okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right there, right there. So 12 ounces, it's seven bucks, right, for basically 12

about six ninety five, 12 ounces. But then it's for 34 ounces of refillable. It's 14.95. And it's in a it's in this bag with middle packaging and you know, so you're getting almost three three times, right? For double the price. So I guess if if Costco had a thing where all these other brands, competitors, and so that you had the bottled price and then you had all the refills next to it and then you saw the ounces. So then you could educate that way. That would be the, you'd have to do that. Yeah, because otherwise people will be like, oh, I don't get to do that. That's what I mean. I think you display it right next to each other and be able to highlight this is where you go, come back to the to the review.

Yeah, because I think a big, we could definitely make a difference with changing consumer's behaviors, but just through education, right? Like, how many times have you got a product from Amazon? And it's a product this big, and it's in a freaking plastic box this big, and another box this big, and you're like, why?

Yeah. Why do I have all this packaging for the small item? And I know why it's because it sells better or stacks better, whatever, or consumers are more likely to buy something that's individually packaged. Well, it feels more valuable and it's bigger or it has more weight to it.

And so I think a lot of times companies like put emphasis on that and packaging. I've seen apples sold individually wrapped. It's a simple, individually wrapped with plastic around it. And it's because consumers, I think, need to change their behaviors. So this, to me, I feel like is the future. Where you buy a product, you get your original container,

and then you just reuse that container. More and more companies are going this direction. You just don't see it that common anymore on the store brands, right? But you definitely see more direct consumer brands are going this direction. You just don't see it that common anymore on the store brands, right? But you definitely see more direct consumer brands are going this direction. Yeah, that's cool. They've been great.

I've converted my whole house. And they have, because they have everything, dude, everything from dryer sheets to laundry, shampoo, deodorant, toothpaste, soap, pan soap, like dishwasher soap, like all of it. So, and I like the way it looks. I know that doesn't matter as much to a lot of people, but I mean, it's a cool, clean look for like a brand

and so it matches everything. So I want to ask you, and you don't have to answer this if you don't want. But, well, I'm asking you about, so with that, I don't want to push people this direction yet because we are going to have an interview at some point where we interview an expert about this. But we've experimented a little bit with peptides from the hormone facility that we work

with. And peptides are very interesting class of, I don't know if you call them drugs or supplements, how, what category they are, but they're very interesting. And I've used Ibuda moron, which is this, it's called a secrete agog. Make sure body release more growth hormone when you take it orally. And I've noticed some very interesting results, actually kind of a muscle building mass builder.

And again, I'm not gonna make recommendations because these are all prescribed by the doctors and this thing, but there was a peptide also that is for libido in men and women. Literally, it's a peptide that you use. And I believe you use it. There's two ways you can use it. I know you can inject it sub-Q, like a small insulin needle, or I think you can do it with a nasal spray if I'm not mistaken. And it's a libido booster in men

and in women. So I know you've messed with it a little bit. Yeah, I'm I experimented with it. I'm on my second time, so I got Katrina to do it it one time which was really hard to get her to do that She was like what are you injecting me? Just trust me Thank god So I'm only on the second time of using it or any peptide baby. This is my tele-actory. You'll like it. So I'm only on the second time of using it. So and I just was just off air. I was talking to you that like, first of all, I never like to judge anything that I'm trying like this

off of just a couple of uses. The first one, I felt like I didn't really know as much. So I took, like you told me the like, you know, mild amount to take. Yes. So I obviously started with that. I didn't really notice anything. The second one I took like you told me the like you know mild amount to take yes, so I obviously started with that I didn't really notice anything the second one I took the the higher dose. I definitely I felt that right Um, and what I guess we're gonna get fucking really personal here felt it in my erection one of the I felt anything

I'll say so I said you said it's supposed to increase the libido Um, I didn't know if I if I saw it like increase my sex drive as much as I felt the difference in the erection. That's where I felt the difference. So she's only tried it one time, and she didn't give me any feedback of no singing, although the next morning she said she felt that way. So I don't know what the half life is on it, if it's supposed to last that long or not.

It can last up to same two hours. Oh, it can. Yeah, so I messed up that little bit and it's called PT141, I had to look it up. So again, I'm not advocating for it yet, because we're not the people that would prescribe this or talk to you about it, just we've been experimenting before.

We do this interview coming up, but I noticed, so I got some flushing, so I did it, and like within 10 minutes, I got flushing in my neck and my skin, and then maybe two hours or three hours later, I could tell some libido boost, and that lasted for like two days. So for like two days, that was a little bit. So I also have the Ibuda moron.

So you're doing that one too, right? I haven't started that yet. So only because I've been, I haven't trained all week. I'm still got that. You'll notice what's your sleep. Oh really? Yeah, so you take it before bed and you get really vivid like dreams

because it increases REM, the stage of dreaming, REM stage. I wonder if me smoking lead will cancel that, even though I haven't smoked lead in over a week. I don't think so, I don't think so. But really interesting stuff, there's a whole class of these compounds in this kind of category of peptides. So we'll have a doctor on it.

Yeah, I don't feel comfortable selling it to anybody yet. I just personally, I'm a little crazy when it comes to trying so that I'm not afraid to do stuff. You could go on our forum, which is, is it MP hormones? What's the forum called? Mine pump hormones. Mine pump hormones. It's a free forum on Facebook and you can ask questions and have, you know, doctors answer

or they do live question and answer once a week on there and kind of find out. Yeah, I'm not worth calling. Or, I'll just tell you my experience. No, same here. Or you can go to mphormones.com and then they'll do an assessment and then you can ask them questions or whatever. And your hormones could be normal for peptides.

It's not like if you have low testosterone. Interesting though. This whole category is so fascinating. Well, since you talk be normal for peptides. It's not like if you have low testosterone. Interesting though. Well, since whole category is so fascinating. Well, since you're talking about hormones and peptides and I have more steroid talked in. So when I was on Derek's page, the more fights more dates and I was looking at the DK MedCaf, I was kind of going down the rabbit hole

of his latest post. And I guess there is this trend going on right now, no pun intended, of trend sniffing trend trends. Yeah, what is this weird? So trend, you mean tremble on? Yes, the anabolic steroid, that's never approved for human beings. Yeah, you showed me the video and the guy's like sniffing it

before he's gonna do a wrap of like rose smell. And claiming the aroma are the smells or potentially maybe the chemicals that are, you know, the chemical aroma that's coming off of it. That doesn't make sense. Yeah, that's weird. Yeah, I don't, and but it's supposedly like this trend that's happening right now that people all over

are doing this. You guys haven't seen this yet? No. Okay, yeah. Oh, that's so weird. It's some weird like, is it possible? Is it even possible? Well, I mean, what was the way you just talked about

a supplement that we could inject potentially or you could do a nasal spray? Well, yes, but I don't think you're inhaling, I don't think you're inhaling like chemicals. I think it's just a smell, but maybe I'm wrong. I know, well, look, here's a deal. There's studies that show people will rinse out, rinse their mouth with like a sweet telling a sweet tasting form

You know drink spit it out and have improved performance Have you seen those studies? They're even swallow it. They just taste it spit it out and then they have improved So it's just like yes the smell that sort of triggers the so they'd have to be familiar with it before right like have to They'd have to be familiar with it before, right? Like, I have to be injecting, yeah, like steroids to get some kind of associative, like benefit, you think like that, huh? Yeah, I would think so. What would like a trend bottle do

to your average person's never taken steroids? That's true, that's true. Nothing, although I will say this, there are some weird things that smells due to cause in people, like pheromones, make people behave in very strange ways. Yeah, but I don't know about that. Yeah, that's very interesting.

I don't know, yeah, it's weird. Who started this trend? Like it's so weird to do. Bodybuilders will do anything. I tell you what though, that particular, so it's an illegal steroid, never prescribed for human use, it was developed for cattle. I didn't like it.

They would give it to cows to bulk them up or whatever, and it's 500 times more anabolic and angrigenic than testosterone. So I think this is the one you hear in Jersey Shore all the time, right? I mean, all over the bodybuilding for us. No, deepbill is different. People love it. People was prescribed humans,

words designed for humans. This is a, this is for cattle. Pure and, and if you read, this is the one that's associated with mental effects. That's not a fair, complete noctil, because I mean, one of my favorite hormones I ever took was ecopoys. True. And ecopoys was made for chickens.

No, no, no, originally though, it was an anabolic for humans, and then it went to vet. Oh, that's true. Tremblone's never been. I didn't know that about ecopoys. I didn't know that. I think in 1960 something, a bolder known is the chemical names.

Yeah, bolder on. My bolder known. Oh, that's bolder on. Maybe Doug, look up, type a bolder known as the chemical name. Yeah, bolder on my bolder known. Oh, that's how's Boulder wrong. Maybe Doug look up type in bold and known just like it sounds and see Sure was bull the run. Oh, yeah, well, you probably weren't taking the real shit out of Oh, yeah, well, you probably weren't taking the real shit out of them. No, but there it is. Maybe you could see when it first was used or first created. I didn't know.

I always thought it was an animal stereotype. It is, but originally, I'd point up, I guess, well, I guess you, 1949. Wow. 1950s and 60s, it looks like that. What was it used for originally? Humans. Oh, I think it was for Anemia. They were typically for Anemia.

And you know, some of these antibiotics were designed for breast cancer. Oh, really? Yes, anabolic steroids. Some of them were designed for women to stop breast cancer. This is before we had, you know, like, knoll the decks and these were called selective estrogen receptor modulators. Yeah.

Masturon is one that was designed for women. It's an anabolic steroid based off of the hormone DHT, but what it does is it makes the activity of estrogen greatly reduced. And so they knew that for women, if they were had like an estrogen sensitive cancer that if they use this, so they were giving women antibiotics to fight cancer. I never knew this. I didn't know it goes all the way back like that. But I didn't like trend, though. I had too many side effects. Well, I read that the psychological, that's the one that's mostly associated with psychological effects where people actually go, they get the right rate. No paranoia, anxiety, like a bunch of weird stuff. I don't know, man.

I mean, that's the one that I got the, what they call a trend cough from it. I got the, I got the freaking, acne really bad from it. Like it flared up the, the, the guy in Camastia, like I had all bad stuff. Weird. Yeah, trend was back when you were competing, obviously.

Before actually, I didn't mess with that stuff during comp, comp, by the time I got into competing, I heard he was smart. I went through the gamut of dumb steroids stuff. Like I, that's the irony of anybody who's paid attention or seen like maybe old pictures of my transformation, all that stuff. I was taking less steroids when I was competing at the professional level than I would, it was a 22 year old, 23 year old kid.

When I was a kid, I knew no... You know, I've heard that so many times from people who compete that they, that there's a way to use them, and of course diet and training and sleep, play a huge role still, whereas when people are younger, they think, oh, I'm just gonna...

The more, yeah, when you're younger, or it doesn't necessarily have to be, when you're first getting introduced to it you just assume that more is better or try this for cutting try this for bulking stack this with that for these benefits you hear all the stuff on forums I had some body builder guy back then that was giving me advice a bunch of stuff yeah he's he's making money off of me he made a I mean my first stack was like a thousand dollars stack when I was like 23 years old. So I really messed up early on and obviously this is what's, you know, caused me to have to be on freaking replacement

therapy today. But I figured that all out the hard way, all through my 20s, when I got into 30, that's when I started to get into competing. And so when I got into competing, I, the first act, the very first, so if you've ever seen my, you've seen my video on YouTube in the, the before picture where I'm all fat

and I'm like, turning around and I'm like, I'm on replacement therapy right there. I don't change my dose for the first year at all. So I'm, it's all diet and training. Yeah, it's all diet and training. But sucks that the, if people ask me, I'm like, yeah, I'm on testosterone. Then the, then the right away I lose credit for it.

It's like, well, that fat guy was on the same amount of testosterone It's just I changed the diet in now it wasn't until I got towards the getting into Like on stage and then getting ready for the next show so my first show I went into using my therapy dose It wasn't till after that that I start to kick up the dose But even when I was at the absolute peak At the pro level when I, because I couldn't put size on, at the amateur level, I was going to the amateur level with my therapeutic dose

being told that was too big. So and I messed up by the second show at the all, let me try and take a little bit more. And that was like, I got good. Yeah, I was like a third or fourth place my first show. And then I decided to take more, and my second show I placed worse because I was too big, and that was the feedback the judges get.

So I have pulled back. Have you guys seen, I gotta pull her up, because I sent this to my cousins the other day. Have you guys seen, there's this Russian bodybuilder, this female Russian bodybuilder, that is, she's bigger than many male

pro-physic competitors and bodybuilders. I gotta find this girl because I gotta find her name because I want people, it's the craziest, like I've never seen anybody look this Jack in my time. It's a woman and she looks ridiculous, like Jack to the limits. I gotta find her name. I'll end up finding her.

Why are you looking it up? Which one of you guys read the thing that Jackie sent over about the crabs? Oh, the robot crab? We've read about it. It's like, yeah, it was amazing. These totally, like nanobots. Yeah, basically, nanobots. Is that the idea?

Yeah, that they're, I mean, there's a lot of science moving in that direction, trying to get these intelligent little bots to fix cells and identify cancerous cells and just go through your body and work on you and stuff and yeah just like look for foreign invaders and it's totally sci-fi like it's happening in real time. Well, what I still can't wrap my brain around. Bill Gates listening right now, aren't you? What I can't wrap my brain around is how those little things are something that small is made. It was little tiny.

Yeah, it's a little tiny. Tell us, tiny beard. He's a little pinchers. Yeah, dude. It's wild, but you see them. Laser. They're so small and they can get them to walk and move into it.

It's like crazy. Yeah, nanotechnology is really real. Doug, I texted you a link of that Russian female bodybuilder. I want you guys to look at her because I've seen female bodybuilders before, but I've never seen one this big. Okay, bro. This is like, this is like a, she'd be big for a male, bro. She's still a female still.

I mean, yeah, I mean, kind of. Okay, there's a picture right there, dude. If you go through her page, Doug, what's her name? Natalia. Amazonka. Amazonka. Amazon, I guess.

I don't know. There's some pictures on her page where she's like standing next to like bodybuilders, guys. I wanna see it different. And she's bigger than they are. Holy crap. Yeah, dude, look at the size of her arms. Look at her legs right there.

Yeah, now I know obviously she's on drugs, but even if she wasn't, she'd be bigger than I am. Well, I think that's what I think people don't understand is that like, obviously, like right away, everybody wants to go like, oh so much steroids. It's like, no, there's a massive genetic component to this girl too. Oh yeah.

Like that's extreme. It'd be cool to look up, see if you could find her name and see if you could find her before pre steroids. I bet she was already like super, super thick jacked. Pretty crazy. I've never met, I mean, I met some women that had some crazy genetics. Actually, I take that back.

I did meet one. I had to train her once. That was, she, she, she, she lived the weights once a week and ran all the time. I had a girlfriend like that. I had a girlfriend like that. I told you, when she competed, she lived the weights once a week and ran all the time. I had a girlfriend like that. I had a girlfriend like that. I've told you, when she competed, she had to stop training

her legs for the whole prep for the show because they were just too muscular. Go and she was bikini. So there's like her legs. That's pretty rare. So dumbass. Super rare, especially in a female, right? Yeah, yeah.

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How much protein is too much protein? Oh, yeah. You know, this is a tough one to answer because it really, it's a lot, I hate to say that. 395 grams. Exactly. No, I really hate the fact that you have to say this so often, but it really does depend on clear rooms.

Yeah, through gas. That would be an indicator. Actually, yes, dude. Well, poor digestion. You know, there's been myths in the past about eating too much protein, bad for your kidneys, this and that. None of that's true. We tolerate protein very well, generally speaking.

But on individual level, I've worked with clients where more than 90, more than, you know, 90 grams of protein, they just didn't digest very well. And that was okay. And they felt better, lower protein. And I've worked with clients who very high protein diets did very well. Now, of course, you need to make sure you get essential nutrients in your diet. So if you eat just protein and you never have enough essential fats, you actually starve

your body. In fact, there's a syndrome where hunters in the West would actually starve because all they would hunt would be rabbits during a particular season. They would actually. So lean. They wouldn't get enough fat. There's a great alone episode like that. Oh, that's right. Where he gets the... I think he's in Alaska at that time.

I saw that. And there's like tons of rabbits and he's got like rabbits galore but then he still like looks like he's totally nutrition. I think they call it rabbit starvation or something like that. But anyway, how much is too much protein? This really depends on the person. I would gauge it by digestion mainly, energy probably second, and then just quality life, just general quality life.

I know that we say in the studies do show that about 0.6 to one gram of protein per pound of body weight is ideal for muscle building and facetiety and fat loss, but if that's too much for you, so long as you get your essential protein, then you're okay, you got to eat in a way that makes you feel the healthiest.

Now, what is it, I mean, I know initially there was a bit of alarmist kind of fear mongering around, m-tore and like cancer and all that. Is there any kind of like clarity with that now? You know, what's interesting about that is context matters a lot. Okay, so in a cancer environment, okay, when you do have cancer, you can feed that cancer with carbohydrates and with amino acids. Does that mean carbohydrates and amino acids, proteins, cause cancer? No.

So, M-Tore is a mammalian target repamycin, I think it's called, is a driver of muscle growth or one of the drivers of muscle growth, but it causes cells to grow. If you have tons of M-Tore in a cancer environment, theoretically, it could cause the cancer growth. Just like if you're in a cancer environment and you've got cancer in your body and then you eat in a cancer environment theoretically, it could cause the cancer to grow. Just like if you're in a cancer environment, you've got cancer in your body, and then you eat in a bulk, you can also feed the cancer and it'll grow. Just like fasting has been shown to be anti-cancer.

So, no, it doesn't cause cancer. The context matters dramatically. So if you're, you know, if you just got a diagnosis for cancer, you probably, you want, and it depends on the type of cancer, it's very complex, but you're probably gonna want to reduce overall calories, but again, it depends on the individual. You're gonna want to look at maybe reducing carbohydrates

and eating essential protein, but not too much over that. But it depends, it really does depend. It is funny, because it's so about digestion and what you can assimilate. And I know like, I used to get a lot of grief from even my parents because all I wanted to eat was meat growing up. And I really, nothing else like satisfied me, like just meat.

And it's one of those things I hear all the time from different camps about too much protein is gonna be at a cancer risk or it's gonna be detrimental towards your gain if you tip over a certain amount. And I'm just like, I've never really seen that play out in terms of like with my clients. Well, this is an interesting conversation to have

because I think the way I present it would really depend on who's sitting across the table from me. Because I really feel like most people live in the, the ends of the spectrum on the protein intake, right? really depend on who's sitting across the table from me. Because I really feel like most people live in the, the ends of the spectrum on the protein intake, right? Like most of my career training average people, I would say that most all clients that I had

under-consumed protein, they didn't get adequate protein. They, just simply increasing their protein intake, I saw huge gains in them building muscle and their metabolism speeding up and them feeling healthier and better and being more satiated from their meals. So I saw huge benefits from increasing it. Then I get later on in my life, I get more surrounded by the body building community because I move into that space. Then I'm on the other end of the spectrum where everybody thinks that protein is this magical nutrient that you can never get too much

of it and you've got guys eating three, 400 grams of protein every single day. And then to your point, just in stinking up the place because they're just, their body kids have an a hard time digesting all that and they're just farting and farting and farting and it's disgusting. So it really depends on who is sitting across from me

and what their typical diet looks like on what direction I'm gonna push them because. So individualized. And I think too, like even the quality of it matters a lot. Because of that fact that you're not digesting it well, there's probably something that, and there's certain, especially if you're intaking it a lot from way protein, or like,

I've noticed even with myself, like different brands out there, I'll take away protein, and it'll have a completely different effect in terms of my digestion. I'll have a lot of gas versus like, none, it's nice and easily digestible. But yeah, that for sure wasn't something

I really considered before. I just thought like, you know, like taking a shake, like it's gonna end up, you're gonna end up this big cloud of gas. I mean, it's because I train, you know, obviously we train so many people, you see people that are so different. Like I would have, I had clients, I'm like this,

where I could eat a large protein meal and feel fine, like no bloat, feel totally fine, not drowsy, not feel lethargic. I could eat a large carbohydrate meal, and it can make me feel bloated, it can make me feel tired, I've had clients the same. And then I've had clients in the other end where they're like, oh, if I eat a big steak, I need to go take a nap and I just feel bogged down,

but if I eat a lot of vegetables and rice and then I feel really light and I feel good. So this is a very individual question. I think it also matters too, what you do consistently and it's like, are we measuring this like a one-off day? Like for example, I know that where I like to be at like a one to one, right? One gram to one pound of body weight.

So if I weigh 225, I want somewhere between 200 to 225 grams of protein. Sometimes I fall a little under that. Sometimes I go over that. Like sometimes I, and I just kind of pay attention to that, especially when I'm tracking and trying to make moves. And I go, oh, today I ended up, man, I just had a lot of meat, right?

I ended up being 300 grams of protein. I don't freak out. Just the next day I'm not as concerned at hitting my 225. So, you know, being aware of that, and I think what you do consistently, where I, again, going back to the extremes, where I see a problem is the people

that grossly under-consume consistently, you know, because here's another thing. 50 grams of protein just one day isn't also gonna hurt you either. If you only had one day, 50 grams of protein just one day isn't also going to hurt you either. No. If you only had one day, if 50 grams of protein and then you go back to your normal hitting your targets, not bad at all. In fact, there's probably some benefits to that. Sure.

So knowing what you do consistently and where you fall, I think is important and then trying to adjust accordingly. And I think if you're falling in that kind of one to one range, that's why I like that. It's just easy. I know 0.6 to 0.8 is what all the research says, but it's really, how many if you're falling in that kind of one to one range, that's why I like that. It's just easy. I know 0.6 to 0.8 is what all the research says, but it's really, how many clients are gonna get their calculator out and try and figure that out. So a pretty safe bet to say, hey, you weigh this much.

If you're relatively fit, you don't have to be super fit, but relatively fit, here's a good target for you to be, give or take a few grams to this point. And if you have a really low day, one day, and a big deal, if you have a really low day, one day, and a big deal, if you have a really high day, one day, not a big deal, so long as you're kind of hovering around that, right? Next question is from Daniel Wright. Does gaining strength boost your metabolism

or does that happen only when gaining mass? All right, I like this, because whenever we talk about boosting the metabolism through strength training, I always get messages from people who go, oh, but studies show that a pound of pro, a pound of muscle only burns an extra 10 calories a day or whatever. Okay. It's not that simple. You have, we have a range of calories that we burn with our current lean body mass. In other words, without gaining or losing any lean body mass, your body could burn as little as this many calories or as much as this many calories.

And there's a range. So now what determines that range? Calorie efficiency or metabolism efficiency. Your body deciding I need to be more efficient or less efficient with calories. So for example, if you bulk, if I go and I eat a high calorie day today, I will get a boost in metabolism, or a real small boost in metabolism, even if I don't gain any weight yet or anything. If I cut my calories, even if I don't lose any weight yet, we'll get a slow, we'll get a little bit

of a metabolic adaptation. Now, the extra muscle mass does burn more calories, but so does the letting your body know it doesn't need to be as efficient with calories. How do we do that? Tell your body to get stronger and feed your body appropriately. Because both of those require more energy or sorry the getting stronger requires more energy. It tells the body we need more muscle even don't build the muscle. It says we can be less efficient with calories, especially if it's getting sufficient nutrients because it doesn't feel like it needs to become more efficient.

So I've seen, look, I'll tell you what, I've had clients go gain five pounds of lean body mass, okay? And I know through body fat testing, last stuff, just five pounds. And yet we're eating 800 more calories a day. Like does that mean each pound of muscle is 100 and something calories a day? No, it's just that range of more versus less

efficiency. It's not only that. When we first started the podcast, we talked a lot about neat. We haven't talked about neat in a really long time. I don't know if it was on my story or when you're having this conversation before, when I'm lifting and training consistently, something that I notice about myself is, my neat naturally picks up, and you're not gonna see this measured in a six to 12 week study. It's too difficult to try and measure

what everybody's neat is gonna be throughout the day after this. All they wanna be all to say is like, oh, muscle burns just me more calories, but well, there's other factors that building strength and building muscle has on your life, your energy levels, your activity, and the things that you're just not really paying attention to.

And I know there's a heat that you're generating. The heat that your body generates burns extra calories. Right, right. I mean, and I hope most people can attest to this that you ever notice, like if you haven't trained consistently for a while, health kind of lethargic and kind of lazy, you feel, and then all of a sudden, you get back into your strength training

and being consistent again, now sudden, you have more energy, like you get up earlier, you move more at lunchtime, or you come, like I was using the example of, I come home, anytime I have a day when I lift here, and then when I get home, because I gotta drive for a while, right? So it normally, man, after sitting in here

at the podcast and this little cave and then sitting in my car, driving home, if I don't train, those days, man, I just want to go, I'm tired, I go home and I'm all, I feel lazy, I just lay on the couch, kind of play with Max on the floor, I'm not really physical, if I lift, and then I go home, man, I come home

and I'm more active the way I play with him, I'm doing dishes. You're not going to measure that in a study. I'm going to show you that, but it's a direct reflection of me strength training and lifting and building muscle and how I feel. Even with that, even if you controlled for all activity, because there's studies, I've referred to this in the book, the resistance training revolution where they study modern hunter-gatherers and they move way more than the average Western couch potato.

And yet they were burning similar amounts of calories. Why their bodies, their metabolism's adapted. They, and they moved way more. So there's a range of efficiency. You can even do this. Like you can take a man with low testosterone, give him testosterone and have his testosterone levels go up to high, okay?

Change nothing else. Don't change his activity. up to high, okay? Change nothing else. Don't change his activity. Don't change his diet. Do nothing else. And what do you see? Body fat loss, muscle gain. And it's not a huge effect, but it happens because hormones signal that. So it's way more complex than one pound of muscle equals this many calories.

It's more like the process and the signaling of building muscle. Combined with feeding your body appropriately tells it it doesn't need to adapt in a way to where it slows its metabolism. It tells it to speed its metabolism up to become less efficient. And this is why reverse dieting. How many times you've seen someone reverse diet, there's no change of weight in the scale. You don't even see a body fat or muscle change yet. It's the same. And yet, wow, how am I eating 300 more calories a day and not gaining any weight? There's a range there.

And the mammalian metabolism is extremely complex. We know that it can become more efficient, less efficient. So that's how we're so, does gaining strength boost your metabolism probably? If you're stronger in the gym, you're probably moving towards the metabolism boosting end of that spectrum. Next question is from Tax Free Mitt.

What are your favorite pieces of old school body building wisdom when it comes to training and nutrition? Oh man, I like this. Yeah, that's a good one. I don't, let me think, you know, yeah, there's a lot of old wisdom that is kind of interesting. Like, there are not even studies to support it.

Like, I like pyramid sets, which, that's old school. A pyramid set would be like, you did four sets and what you did is you'd go up and wait and then halfway through your work, the sets, then you start to drop down the weight. I just like the way it feels. It kind of matches my strength curve as I'm going through the sets.

So that's, you know, that's one thing I like to do. I like all the stuff that's been debunked. That I still think has got some value to it. Cardio, cardio, cardio. I love fasted cardio. I love small meals. I love carrying the gown, a water round. All the things that we've know we've debunked

and for the reasons that they were sold to you why you should do it. But I still think there's wisdom in utilizing it. It's all based on behaviors. It is. Yeah. And that's the problem is, and that's why I really, you know, I still like to defend it because we've now debunked that, right?

We know that six meals a day does not speed up your metabolism, doesn't stoke this fire, the benefits of that versus if all things are equal and same. But I have found with clients and myself, there's lots of things that help out by breaking the meals up. Yeah, it can be a pain in the ass. Do I think that it's a big deal if I don't one day? No, it's not a big deal. But I love that still.

I love the idea of getting up first in the morning before I eat or doing something like that and going for a walk or getting on the treadmill and walking for a half hour to hour to start my day. Not because it burns more body fat than if I were to do it at two o'clock in the afternoon or whatever, it's just, it's kick starting my day with movement

that I would be sleeping in my bed had I not done that. And you're more likely to be active. Yes, and then it sets the tone for the rest of my day. So I love that. The carrying the gallon of water. Most people don't need a whole gallon of water, but what I found that is when I'm carrying that thing around, it holds me accountable to be sipping on water all day long.

So I'd like those things. You know, my favorite old-school bodybuilding wisdom comes from really old-school bodybuilding before the golden era. Well, even before that, the golden era's optically referred to as like the 70s, 60s and 70s. But I even like, I like going back even further before the widespread use of anabolic steroids and hormones because the advice that they gave in my opinion is more applicable

to the average person. For example, if you read like Steve Reeves workouts and John Grimics workouts and all these bodybuilders before you, Eugene Sandow even, he was at the turn of the, of the 19th century, right? You read about what they would say, and they would say things like, don't train to exhaustion. Make sure that you have energy for your next workout. Practice your lifts, that's what they used to say, right?

Practice your lifts often, they wouldn't even say, go beat yourself up, they would say, go practice. They all trained full body, three days a week, very basic type routines, and they developed incredible go practice. They all trained full body, three days a week, very basic type routines, and they developed incredible physiques. So, and that wisdom applies today. I think, you know, I grew up in the 90s, and I would read bodybuilding magazines from the 90s,

and it was all about extreme intensity with the workouts. It wasn't until I found the old, old school stuff that I applied that, man, my body really started to respond really well to some of that stuff. Yeah, well it was cool when bodybuilding had more strength components to the competing side of it where they'd have to like, didn't they used to have to do some kind of calisthenic routine or something? The very first ones was like, yeah you would do something physical and then you would do something opposing. Well I mean my favorite is the golden era where they would, you'd see them all eating

like a huge amount of protein outside and then they go, do workouts outside in the sun and you know, get all the benefits from that. But yeah, I don't know, dude, I wasn't as much of a geek on bodybuilders. Yeah. Yeah. Another one would be like, old school bodybuilders would say, to bring out definition in your muscles, do lots of flexing and posing. So this was actually something that.

Ornall did, and before competition, he would, at the end of his routine, he'd, for the words, Isometrics have a lot of effect. Isometrics, yeah. Isometrics, right? But I mean, they didn't understand necessarily why it worked. They just know that, they just saw that,

hey, this works. But if you break it down, it's like, well, yeah, you're doing isometrics. You've only done my superset, it was because of bodybuilding type workouts. So I definitely love doing that. And just hypertrophy in general, it's such a different shift of a mindset. Yeah, I remember reading old magazines and Arnold would say that he preferred to work out his calves in barefoot. I like working out my calves barefoot,

I feel better contraction, whatever. Sounds stupid. Try it. Try doing calf raises barefoot. Try doing, you'll feel, it's not that stupid at all. Imagine you working out with big old gloves, like snow gloves, because that's what shoes are like

for your feet. It was saying, Well, no, it makes sense now that we're experiencing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll let it end, and spray your toes out, and you're getting more nerve connections. Like, I mean, it makes sense.

Yeah, yeah. There's a lot, there's a lot of old bodybuilder wisdom that unfortunately, I think, is a people trash because of how it was communicated back then. Exactly. And so, you know, they hang on the exact words that they use to describe or explain why they do it.

And then they shit all over it with some controlled stuff. Here's something, right? And this has all been debunked. Debunked. Like, concentration curls build the peak of the bicep. Preacher curls build the bottom of the bicep. Hammer curls build thickness of the bicep. Preacher curls build the bottom of the bicep. Hammer curls build thickness in the bicep. This is literally what they would say back in the day.

Is that all true? No, but what is true is all of those different angles in combination in a workout. It was a great way to work your bicep. So they explained it was this works this part, this works that part, this works that part, which if you look at the bicep and anatomy, it doesn't really work that way. However, if you listen to them and you just,

and you did those exercises, you get a full workout versus just doing the same exercise over and over again. So a lot of it has to do with the explanation. Next question is from Neb's fitness. You guys talk a lot about novelty when it comes to exercise. Does that apply to mobility movements as well? Oh, good question. Yeah, different adaptation. Yeah, but also we need to be clear when we talk about novelty, because you can get away from us

where people are like, I'm gonna do something different all the time because it's so novel. There's a lot of value in practicing the same movement over and over again to get better and better at it to continue to reap benefits from them. So novelty does have value, but it's, don't trade it for getting, you know, perfecting a movement.

Well, and to that point, that's why you don't want to switch up the mobility stuff the same way. No, because you want to get really good at that. Yes. I mean, that's the idea. So yeah, there's a different focus here, right? When we are less about progressive overload, it's more about like you're really teaching your body

this new way of moving and connecting to that. Yeah, you're fought, you be in fact, you be far better off picking two or three mobility moves that you see really help you or improve and getting better and better at that. Then like, oh, I saw this person doing this one. I wanna try that out. And then this one and better at that, then like, oh, I saw this person doing this one, I wanna try that out and then this one and then that one and that one,

like you're trying to increase a range of motion and a joint or gain better connectivity to a muscle, practicing the same mobility move that's over and over and over is going to benefit you more than cycling through all these different, which is why if you've ever heard us on the show, sometimes we get somebody calls in and they're asking about like our prime or prime pro, there's a ton of mobility drills in there. And they're like, I failed everything. I'm bad here,

bad bad here. And our advice isn't go follow all of those. We normally tell people like, hey, you know what? Pick a couple of those movements that you find help you the most and then stick to those and get really good at those versus telling them like to try all these different movements. Yeah, I mean, unless your goal is to become like this crazy yogi or somebody that can do like very challenging flexibility poses and things where it's like,

yeah, novelty will definitely play a factor in that because you're gonna need to be able to sort of contort your body in directions and you have to train yourself to do that in ways that challenge. Yeah, but novelty is not the same as variety. So variety is different than novelty. Novel means new.

I've never done this before. Right, and you would be switching and replacing. You'd be like, oh, this I'm gonna do lizard with rotation today. Tomorrow I'm gonna do 99. Oh, tomorrow I'm gonna do lizard with rotation today. Tomorrow I'm gonna do 99. Oh, tomorrow I'm gonna do, never really fully reaping benefits of it. Right.

Which one because you have to practice it. Like the first time you do combat stress. That's what you're saying. So not like interrupting it and then back and out. Well, no, what you're saying, what I picture what you're saying is like this, like, okay. I'm doing a lot of things.

Yeah, I'm doing a lot of things. Oh, to add you lizard with rotation. Now I'm gonna add on top of my lizard rotation this one. And then, oh, I'm gonna also gonna add this to like, it's a progression. Yeah, because you're completely adding to all the things you're doing. That's different and that to your point

you were making, okay I understand that. That has some value if you want to become this super mobile mobility person. Then okay, go that way. But I think what Sal is pointing out and I agree with is like what you don't want to do is like one day you're doing 90 90 and then the next day you all send switch to a different movement completely.

You haven't even reaped the benefits of getting better at that night. It took me the 90 90 and Comet stretch for the two probably most common ones that I did for those two years I was really driving home the mobility thing. And I was doing those two movements three times a day, every day for years. Yeah. To get to really reap the benefits of improving my squat depth.

And I did, I improved it tremendously. Like, but I would have been a bad strategy, would have been like every other day changing all those up and doing different ones. I don't think I would have reaped the same business. Right. And also there's different ways to include novelty where you don't run into the problem that we're kind of describing where you stop getting good at a movement. So for example, we'll talk about exercise, for example, barbell squat. If you look at a lot of our programs,

the barbell squat is in the entire program, but we continue to inject novelty. How do we do that? You change the reps. You can change the tempo, right? You can change the amount of sets. So let's say you're doing a mobility movement and you've been practicing it

and you want to inject some novelty, slow it down, speed it up, do it longer, do it shorter, do it more frequently. That also is novel. You don't have to completely change everything to include novel to get. You can lift your back leg up. I mean, there's progressions within those poses,

I guess, what you're, and I agree. So there's foundational poses, I think, that address real common issues with alignment and getting your body to function properly. So stay within those core movements, add the additional progressions within that. Exactly. Look, if you like our information,

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