Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1839: How to Know When Doing Less Will Build More Muscle, Ways to Combat Muscle Cramps, Using Static Stretching to Speed up Recovery & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: June 18, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. 1839: How to Know When Doing Less Will Build More Muscle, Ways to Combat Muscle Cramps, Using Static Stretching to Speed up Recovery & More (Listener Live Coaching) Mind Pump Fit Tip: Contrary to popular belief being fit & healthy is pretty easy. Follow these four simple steps: Lift weights 1-2 days a week, avoid heavily processed foods, aim for a high-protein diet, and walk for 10-15 minutes after meals. (2:45) University hunting and the pros and cons of higher education. (12:21) A potential rival to Starbucks?! (21:33) So, you want to steal my Amazon package? (23:45) Will LIV Golf disrupt the PGA? (26:10) Do you want to see Butterbean versus Jake Paul?! (31:44) The Mind Pump/NCI Business Coaching Challenge. (38:48) All things TRT and the incredible free resource of Mind Pump Hormones Private Forum. (39:47) Give the gift of Vuori for Father’s Day! (48:20) “Gas prices are so high, it’s cheaper to buy cocaine!” (53:15) #ListenerLive question #1 - Would you recommend I see a doctor when one side/arm is in pain and CONSTANTLY tighter than the other? (58:36) #ListenerLive question #2 - Any recommendations or advice on why I may be cramping when doing most types of sit-ups? (1:08:05) #ListenerLive question #3 - Can static stretching post-workout decrease blood flow and hinder performance? (1:15:19) #ListenerLive question #4 - Any advice on how to train and recover appropriately to help keep clear of injuries while also trying to get big? (1:25:07) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] MP Business Coaching Challenge Visit Vuori Clothing for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Father’s Day Special: Free Shipping on all apparel and equipment for $150.00 or more 6/10-6/24 June Promotion: Shredded Summer Bundle or MAPS HIIT 50% off! **Promo code JUNE50 at checkout** Perfect is the enemy of good Initial fleet of autonomous food delivery robots have already ascended onto the University campus Angel: How to Invest in Technology Startups—Timeless Advice from an Angel Investor Who Turned $100,000 into $100,000,000 – Book by Jason Calacanis Café X Glitterbomb 3.0 vs. Porch Pirates Saudi-backed LIV Golf tournament accused of ‘sportswashing’ Boxing Legend Butterbean Is In 'The Best Shape Ever' And Has Called Out Jake Paul Differential effects of 11 years of long-term injectable testosterone undecanoate therapy on anthropometric and metabolic parameters in hypogonadal men with normal weight, overweight and obesity in comparison with untreated controls: real-world data from a controlled registry study Combined exposures to bisphenols, polychlorinated dioxins, paracetamol, and phthalates as drivers of deteriorating semen quality Mind Pump Hormones Facebook Private Forum MP Hormones Gas Prices So High It's 'Cheaper to Buy Cocaine,' Senator John Kennedy Says This is China's plan to eclipse Silicon Valley Visit MASSZYMES by biOptimizers for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Thoracic outlet syndrome - Symptoms and causes - Mayo Clinic Visit Drink LMNT for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit Legion Athletics for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code MINDPUMP at checkout** Which is Best - Mobility or Stretching? - Mind Pump Blog Sore muscles…what does it mean? - Mind Pump Blog Mind Pump #1142: Nine Signs You Are Overtraining Mind Pump #1487: The Best Way For First Responders To Stay In Shape MAPS Fitness Performance Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Paul Chek (@paul.chek) on Instagram Jason Calacanis (@JasonCalacanis) on Twitter Eric Esch (@butterbeanboxer) on Instagram Jake Paul (@jakepaul) on Instagram Patrick Bet-David (@patrickbetdavid) on Instagram  

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discount. All right, here comes the show. Look, contrary to popular belief, being fit and healthy is actually pretty easy. Okay, there's four simple steps you can take and you'll generally get a fit and healthy body from doing so. Number one, lift weights, one to two days a week. Okay, now you're not gonna get jack doing that,

but that will have some profound effects. Number two, avoid heavily processed foods. Now you're not gonna to get jack doing that, but that will have some profound effects. Number two, avoid heavily processed foods. Now you're not going to get ripped doing that, but you're also not going to get obese or overweight. Number three, aim for a high protein diet, about 0.6 to 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight. Great for muscle preservation, building. It's good to help with your appetite.

And the last one, very easy. Walk for 10 to 15 minutes after breakfast, lunch, and dinner. If you did those four things, you would get a generally healthy fit body. I like that. Yeah, I like it, but I would add simple, but it's not easy to execute.

Well, that's for people. That's, I'm glad you said that. Simple is probably better, right? Because the hard part is a consistency, even with just those, but I think the challenge that happens in health and fitness in our space is that we make good the enemy of perfect, right? Didn't Voltaire say that, Doug?

I think you're the one that showed me, he's the one that made that. It's attributed to him, yes. Yeah, Voltaire. Voltaire. Sounds like it. Yeah, Voltaire. Yeah, Voltaire.

Yes, you know, the lower the rings, you're like, Voltaire. That was from a cartoon. No. It sounds like a full trill in front of the rings. That was from a cartoon. No. Voltron was an awesome cartoon, by the way. Maybe I have a little pop up here, so everybody can see what happened. No, no, no, he said, don't make good the enemy of perfect.

And we tend to do this right where, because I'm not perfect, because I'm not doing five days a week in the gym, and I'm not counting on my macros, and I don't have my meals all prepped and I don't do all this cardio and do all this stuff that we're like, forget it. It's just I'm not gonna even try, right?

But we learn this as coaches and trainers. It doesn't work that way. Now fitness enthusiasts and people who are like super passionate about it make it their job and their career. They're gonna do all that perfect stuff or they're gonna aim for that. But the average person, if they literally just do what I said,

one to two days a week of lifting weights, walking 10 minutes after meals, eating, you know, trying to aim for protein, kind of avoiding heavily processed food, what you would have is a bunch of generally fit healthy people with a body fat percentage that's relatively healthy. The way most people want to look and feel that's what they would get.

You know, this is interesting. It reminds me of when we first met Paul Chek and just basically even our understanding back then is like years ago and meeting people like at the pinnacle of their coaching, just how like insanely simple, like just those simple things that they just drill home and communicate

so much more effectively. And I feel like we've been shaving a lot of the fat off of like our message as we've been talking on the podcast quite a bit, but it's really just those simple things to focus on. You know the other thing that I would add to that, this is personal for my own personal journey that I have found is like, when I fall off

or when I'm inconsistent is not allowing me to go so extreme the other direction like for like an over correction Yeah, most of my my fitness career what I struggle with I was like I'm either on or I'm off and when I'm off I'm like justifying the candy the ice cream the you know over consumption the not working out like ever and then when I'm on I'm on and I and what I've gotten better about as I've gotten older is that you know I can have a week of really inconsistent training and kind of be off you know and I could even have maybe a meal here or there where it's like you know this wasn't ideal choice but not allowing myself to swing so hard the other direction where you start just off fucking I'm off so I'm just I ate earlier bad and now I'm gonna keep eating

bad and like just I used to do that a lot Because I had this like and as a trainer I did it too because I knew that I could snap out of it and get back in Then it makes this swing so dramatic and it makes it so hard to always come back where it's like You know, I'm just aware of that This last week or so. It's been you know, I've been pretty sedentary I haven't got a lot of walking in I I've only trained once in the last four days. So it's like, and last night was game night, watching the warriors and stuff like that.

And so, you know, Christian, that's normally when we'd want to have pizza or a burger and enjoy the game. And I didn't. I had a taco salad instead. So still something I enjoyed. It was a nice, yeah. But just learning to like have those conversations

with yourself and be honest like, wow, I really haven't been putting the work in, moving wise, training wise. Yeah, I can have a burger if I really wanted to right now, but I really, this is not the time to do it. That's the whole good versus perfect thing. It's like if it's not perfect and it's way over here. And then, you know, and you make good and perfect

compete against each other. And if it's not perfect, it's not worth it. It's like, you ever watch those driving safety videos where they say, hey, if your car starts to swerve, or your instinct is to over-correct with the steering wheel, and then you end up flipping the car. When in reality, you need to be much more gentle with your correction and don't create that over-correct.

That's what people do with their nutrition. It's like, oh, I'm going this way, swing the steering wheel over there, and then they flip the car and everybody's working out, too. It's like, you don't find any value if they only have like 20 minutes or they only have like, you know, or one exercise, right? Yeah. So therefore, it's a wash. I'm not even going to attempt the workout because what benefit am I really going to get today? Look, the key, what I mean, we did this, right? When you train people long enough, eventually, like I just wanna be effective.

Like, you know, this message isn't working. How can I have an effective message? Like the walk 10 minutes after breakfast lunch and dinner, it's way, you're gonna find that people are way more consistent if they do that versus do 30 minutes of cardio every day. But they both equal 30 minutes of activity, right? But one of them is, oh, after I eat, I don't have to change, I don't get on a machine or I just go for a walk for 10 minutes and it's nice

and I can talk with someone, helps with digestion and it becomes part of my normal routine. It's all kind of the same in terms of activity, but one, you're far more likely to be consistent. Well, Justin just nailed another really big one that's changed for me too is, I used to be that way. If I, if I didn't have the time to put my full workout in, I would write off the workout completely. Yeah, yeah. Where now there's many times where I'll come home and I'm like, I really don't feel like it.

Oh, I don't have time. And I go like, oh, just squat. Let's get three sets of squats real quick. Yeah, I would never do that in the past. In the past, I'd be like, that's a weak workout. That's not, I'm not gonna get much benefit from that. But boy, does that make a huge difference? Just doing that by itself.

It's amazing how that bleeds into the rest of your day. And activity is activity, even if it's just three sets of squats. So that's changed a lot in my career. As I've gotten older, I've allowed myself to have these days where I'm just like, okay, I didn't get a full hour workout in, but at least I did this.

Yeah, I've noticed personally, it's just like, if I just do something, it still stimulates my muscles. It still carries into later on when I have that opportunity, my workouts are better because I didn't have all of that inactivity then that I'm almost like having to start over. Start over and find that momentum. It's like I'm still keeping a little bit of that momentum going. Yeah, well, the beauty of, part of the beauty of strength training,

you know, I open by saying one or two days a week is, it's, it's so adaptation focused that if the average person, and this is how I train people, the back half of my career, my goal was to get someone to do strength training once or twice a week. And it was phenomenal with the results that they got because you send the signal. Now, of course, you're not going to look like a body builder doing this. You're not going to get super shredded doing this, but you're gonna get pretty fit. You're gonna have good strength.

You're gonna maintain some good mobility. And you get over the years, and you see great results. Those four things that I said, eventually that became, that was my structure. And that's how I got people to get good results forever. Yeah, that's how you stay consistently fit. And then you could always turn it up and not you, if you want to look like a body builder. I mean, if you stay consistent with that, you're never that far out from that.

No. You know, you're not that far out from four weeks of like hardcore dieting and training to get yourself to look a certain way if that's what you want to do at that time. And I think versus letting it swing from left to right so hard, and when you decide, oh, I'm going to turn it up, I'm going to get shredded this summer. And it's like, oh, man, I did all this damage for the last three months. I'm going to spend the next six months trying to get back in shape because I let myself go so far to the direction.

Yeah, you know, it's interesting too is I don't know if you guys ever had this. We had a client hire you who's got lots of experience working out and they just, they over trained right, they worked out a lot and you're like, you know, it just work out when we twice a week and and we there's a lot we could do with that. And there is, there's a lot you could do with just twice a week with programming. And then they get better results than they've ever had before in their life. That was Doug, by the way. Doug hired me and he had a lot of experience working out five days a week,

six days a week, body for life. You followed Bill Phillips, you know, body for life and I convinced them just two days a week with me, hit PRs and his lifts, built more muscle. Well, that's certainly happened to me in my mid 20s. My mid 20s, like, I was, this was at the peak of, you know, playing basketball, wakeboarding, snowboarding, training, seven days a week, like, and I just said, I was in a pretty hard plateau.

I'd say that for a couple of years there, I'd say my physique really didn't, my physique and strength really didn't progress. Just kind of hanging around that. I don't fit, but I couldn't, I couldn't progress. I actually pulled way back on the amount of training volume I did and then my body started to progress. That was like the first aha moment I had

with training volume and intensity understanding. Like, it's a fine dance. It's not the more you do, the more results you get. And it's really hard to communicate that to people because almost everywhere else in your life, it doesn't work that way. The more effort you put towards something, you know, at work or when I went out with that way. The more effort you put towards something,

at work or when I went out the more return, you typically get in at the more, I read towards something the smarter I get towards this. And when it comes to working out and getting in shape, it's not the same way, it's different. Just because you put more work and effort, doesn't necessarily get more results from that. Yeah, great point.

So Adam, I wanted to bring something up to you because you and I are very similar in this in this regard So I've been touring universities with my my son, right? So he's 16 is gonna turn 17 in about a month and he's gonna be a senior in high school in this next school year So now we're looking at universities and stuff and we went and looked at University of Nevada by the way phenomenal, phenomenal school, total hidden gems. I had no idea. Gorgeous school. And we're going through, he's already looked,

he looked over here at Santa Clara, we're gonna go Arizona State next and check that out. But I have, I didn't go to college, I don't have formal education. My understanding of that whole experience is what I see in movies. I never really believed in that, right? So we show up.

Like at a normal house. Yeah. You know stuff like that right to school. The Roddy Dangerfield. So you know, we go there and they're giving us a tour. And by the way, I can see why college is so expensive. It's like the stuff that they put in these schools. It's like, this is a resort. Like it's insane. We saw the dorms on and I got a little bit of jealousy. You know, like, like, man, I, I, God, if I, I wonder what that experience was. The older years. Yeah, what would that experience be like?

And, you know, obviously, I wouldn't, if I went back in time, I still wouldn't change anything because I went on the right path for myself. But part of me is like, I wonder what that would have been. Like, do you ever feel like that? 100% I do. And the irony of that to me is that, because people have asked me before,

I've like, I used to get asked a lot in my mid to late 20s and even early 30s a little bit, you know, will you ever go back or do you ever want to go back or do you do this with that? And the irony is that it's a higher education, right, is what's promoted and what they're selling you. But that's not why I would want to go back. Same here. I don't know how would I go back to the other. I don't feel like I missed out on that. In fact, I think I hacked into growing and learning and reading and how to pursue the things that I'm interested in.

And you can teach yourself everything that they teach you in university. There's books out there. Especially now. Yeah, especially today. I mean, especially with tools like YouTube and Google and the stuff that we didn't have when we were first going through school But yeah, when I think about

What I missed is the experience like I had for it. So I had a lot of friends when it was actually divided in my group So we had there was a there was a big group of us in high school that were all really close and 50% of us went to junior college. I was part of that group and then 50% went off to university So I had you know I had San Diego State. We had Santa Barbara. We had UC Davis. We had Cal Poly. Those were most, I would say a couple of Chico.

We're like, we're all my friends went. And so I would go visit them all the time. Like I was going to junior college, which to me was like extended high school. At least that's what it felt like for me. And then we go down and we visit them all the time. I was going to junior college, which to me was like extended high school. At least that's what it felt like for me. And then we go down and we visit them. And I always be envious after I leave,

because we go put, if you've never been to Santa Barbara, there's a place called Ila Vista IV. It's popular for where the parties are at right there on D.P. Street. I had a girlfriend that lived right on the D.P. Street. And it's insane. Every weekend was insane. You go down there.

Yeah, I went to Marty Grawd, Cal Poly. Yeah, I went to Marty Graw, Cal Poly, I got a girlfriend that went to Cal Poly and so I used to go down there all the time. And so there was a part of me that I really felt like, man, I missed out on that experience of school. So I do feel like that. Yeah, that's because we're going in, first of all, they're showing us around the gym at this university. By the way, I'm open to suggestions because we're going in, first of all, they're showing us around the gym at this university. By the way, I'm open to suggestions

because we're looking at different schools and you can DM the Mind Pump Media page on Instagram if you have any good connections or suggestions. He's gonna be getting into computer science or maybe media computer science. But anyway, the gym there, one of the best gyms I've ever seen in my life. And I've seen a lot of gyms.

It's a four story gym. You have functional area with grass and sleds and tires and then you had like this freeway there where it's like all these racks and bumper plates. Then there's like machines. Then there's, I mean, the top level was an indoor track and then there's a college gym. I'm walking through and I'm looking at my kid

and you know, he's not really into working out like I was at all. I'm looking at my bro if you know, he's not really into working out like I was at all I'm looking. I'm like bro. If I had this opportunity Yeah, I would have done back flips Then there's like a media center where you can even do a pot You have a podcast room and a virtual reality and this all for the stuff like this is great and the dorms You know you're looking at the dorms. I'm like man. This would have been well that gym I Reminds me of the performance one that was in Reno that we went to a long time ago.

I don't remember the name of it. It was like all athletic based and it had like a reno, I think it's called Reno Athletic. Oh right. Reno Sport Athletic. Huge. And it's just like the buildings are just bigger because it's a lot of cheaper to expand

and get that kind of square footage. But yeah, I'm sure it was like crazy. I'm gonna ask you Justin, because you're the only one that went and lived in, yeah, but I survive college, yeah. Okay, so when I watch the movies, it looks like it's just fun. Like Van Wilder.

Party, hang out. Make a lot of friends, is it like that, or is that obviously that's from a today's perspective? So it's all in like kind of choose your own adventure. Okay, because I've had like both, right? So I've had situations like I was at San Jose State first and I was kind of similar to Adam where I was always like going to other colleges

because the atmosphere there is just not conducive to like hanging out and like party and like, you know. Yeah, San Jose State is not very social. A commuter school. Yeah, so, States, not very social. For a commuter school. Yeah, so, but I kind of hacked that a little bit by rooming with some of my buddies that were in the Air Force and they had like this old fraternity house that I could live there cheap.

And so I just wanted to move out of my parents because I was, first year I was living with my parents commuting and it was totally lame. And I was always like finding myself driving all the way down to Cal Poly to meet my girlfriend and all that stuff. And then I was like, I got something about my girlfriend. This is stupid. And so I moved in with my buddies

and it was like this total like roach motel. It was just disgusting and scummy, but we loved it. Cause it was like, it was freedom. And so we had a few parties and stuff, but it wasn't like crazy. Until I moved out to, um, I went to Chicago and then I went to Trinity, which actually I was like, I just need to get out of here. And I was super studious and was basically locked on campus because of my scholarship. So I'm like, I had the dorm, had the cafeteria,

all the stuff was accounted for. And there's like, you can't have girls over. Like it's like very strict and like, it was like very focused on academics. But I found myself then rebelling and wanting to go to like a Illinois state and all these. And so I had like those experiences, you know, at the other colleges like quite a few. Well, dude, these, so the one we looked at, and it was like the movies.

Okay, so, so here's what's for me. I have no idea. I remember, if people might be laughing now, I have no experience with this, my family, my brother, and my sister graduated college, but they lived at home when they went, because we couldn't afford, you know, all this stuff. Yeah. And nobody else went. We're all poor immigrants, right? It came from Sicily, so I have no experience. So I had no idea that. So did you not jello shots and cake stands? Now you were working a lot, right?

I was 19, I was managing gyms at 19. I got married at 20. So were you not, were you not like Justin, where you were going to friends colleges? Oh wow, so you have zero experience. Bro, general manager, I kind of feel like I got, oh, that's why I don't have that much regret,

because oh, damn, you're every weekend. I was either in Cal Poly, San Diego or Santa Barbara, those, but you don't. I was 19 managing gyms, by the time I was 22 I was married. So no, I didn't do any of that stuff. Oh, yes, right.

So I've no, I, so anyway, I did not know. So the dorms, one of the dorms we looked at, it's called Sweet, where it's a room, then there's two rooms. So two people sleep on this side, two people sleep on that side, shower, bathroom, whatever. That's all, it has to be all boys in the room, but the floor is coed.

So the next suite could be a bunch of girls. I'm like, what? You guys are going to be living on a floor with guys and girls. Like, this sounds kind of like, I don't know, is that a recipe for a disaster? I couldn't imagine that. Oh, yeah. That age. I would've been in that. So some of the schools, they don't have to sit the girls and guys

on the same building. But I mean, and then you have what's it called Justin? You have like a person who's like supposed to monitor the halls. Oh, the, yeah, the resident. It's R.A. Yeah, the R.A. And the R.A. is always like a student

that's like two years in front. So like the policing of like, can girls come over guys go right? It's kind of like, you're not supposed, yeah, you're not supposed to, but it happens. Like, I mean, I don't know, like the schools that I've been to that I've gone, like it's, you know, I had girlfriends and had dorms

and I'm not supposed to be in there and I spent plenty of nights in those dorms. So, so trip off this. So as we're doing this tour, there's this little Star Wars looking vehicle driving around. It's like, maybe this big off the ground and it's got six wheels, so three on one side through another, this antenna. And it's like, and I'm like, what is that? Like, oh, there's an app and you can order food from any of the restaurants of the cafeteria.

So anywhere on campus, and they have, by the way, they have like legit restaurants there, you order it and the car will drive, it's autonomous, it'll drive to wherever you are on campus. That's so cool. I'm like, what the hell? Well, I wonder if they're connected. Now, what was the name of the company? I brought them up, it was somebody,

I mean, the all-in guys talked about it. Actually, it was in his book, Angel, and Jason Cobb-Catton. There was a coffee company. I forgot the name of a coffee company. I talked about it. Actually, it was in his book, Angel, in Jason Calcades. There was a coffee company. I forgot the name of a coffee company. I haven't followed up to look to see where... But you do it on your app and show up and it's ready. He's banking on it, literally rivaling Starbucks because it's supposed to be reduced to cost,

and then also the way to tie. The two biggest things that draw people to Starbucks like that would out compete it would be get your custom coffee and you get it faster and cheaper. Sure. Get it. Yeah. Starbucks changed by making everything like push button. And so like the baristas don't really do a lot of their craftiness there anymore. Anyway. So it's like, you know, you're just kind of like getting button pushers. Well, I wonder if they're actually moving in that direction then. Well, everything would be I'm sure there.

Especially, well, I mean, market pressures too, because the minimum wage is keep going up. So that's gonna make it happen even faster. I can't, I think. A cafe X dog. Oh, a cafe X. A cafe X dog. A cafe X dog.

Yeah. Caffe doesn't hit yet. Yes, right. X. Dog. Cafe X. Dog. Caffe doesn't hit yet. Yeah. That's right. Do dogs. Speaking of coffee. Yeah. I think it'll be so cool when like door dash is like autonomous like that, right? Where you could just or and it'll it'll find you on your app. Yeah. So you could literally be standing anywhere and

it'll just so as dominoes like the first thing, because I mean they've already created the time as vehicle that you like drives up and then you go Exchange your credit card and you pick it up Yeah, they're already working on all that. Yeah, I know dominoes is actually in a couple of cars gonna get like hijacked and stuff I don't see we talked about the other day right like you brought it up about that one on campus But it's like you're not gonna risk Stealing a five dollar sound once you're getting kicked out of your college. No not there

But I'm talking about in the real world, like DoorDash and stuff. I've seen people risk way less than... I mean, that's true, right? So if you're really... Sure it'll happen, yeah. Yeah, I wonder how they will police that. Maybe just make them super hard to break into.

Yeah, right. Armored vehicles. So they have electric defense system. They just shock you off of them. I saw, I saw, oh, I don't know if I can find this video. So sorry if we don't have it. There was a guy that put in his car, a defense, I don't remember what I think was a flash banger, Nate,

because his car kept getting broken into. So someone breaks in, it's like, and I mean, and I think he's getting in trouble for it. But the guy who tried to raise it. There was a California, there's a great video of this ex-Marine who knew that this guy was stealing his packages all the time and then he had like an Amazon package that he put when those flash grenades in there

and the guy went to get it. He's got to shit himself, boom, he shit himself. Yeah, he just flew off the porch. He just, it comes over to like, apologize to the old man who's like, yelling at him through the, the nest speaker. Oh, and he's just like, oh, he, he, he shit himself. And he's like, walking away all like, oh, sorry. Have you seen the ones where they put the hidden, like, they put a camera in the

package? And if you open it, it, um, it sprays out like this really putrid fart spray and it does, um, sprays out like this really putrid fart spray and it does sprays out like a bunch of glitter all over your house. Do you see these? And you can watch the video like, well, people get the package home, they're like, oh, we're gonna open it. And they open it and you hear the spray,

and then they're covered. I love it. Any idea what the percentage of like Amazon packages that get stolen on a range of speed? Is it really high? I don't think it's super high, but it's enough to where it's up to. It depends on probably your neighborhood, but yeah.

Yeah, I don't know, I don't know, I've never read anything like as far as like what the percentage. You know what's funny? I could see, and I don't know if laws allow this, right? Because we have like, we have laws for the post office. So I could see the company where they would put something on your property, like a lock box. And if they ever deliver anything where they would put something on your property, like a lock box. And if they ever deliver anything, they'll put it in that and then nobody

can get into it. What kind of like Amazon, Amazon does that it get grocery stores and stuff, right? Yes. And I think the residents is, I don't think you're allowed to do that because I think there's laws that only the post office, I don't know, I don't know if that's a, if that's a real thing or if I don't know. Oh, interesting. Yeah. I don't know if that would be. Like they have a monopoly on like mailboxes. Well, well, you can't put something in a mailbox unless it's mailbox. I know on a mailbox, but like why not create like a competitive mailbox for Amazon or like you're saying?

Like, what would stop me as a homeowner of like, I have a mailbox underneath it. I have a lock box that Amazon, the Amazon drivers, like they use the barcode or something. Yeah, yeah. What would I mean, I wonder, I feel like there's laws that prevent that. Yeah.

If there is, that is the stupidest thing ever. I know. I know. Yeah. Speaking of, like, so I was trying to think about how they're going to regulate this or handle this. Like I just was looking at LIV, this new golf league that just popped up.

It's like Saudi-based. Like, so they're backing this new league to pop up. I think Phil Mickelson's a part of it now. And like some other like old names that they've basically bought to start running in this league, but they've offered big time golfers. Like Tiger Woods, like almost a billion dollars to basically jump from the PGA over to this new league.

And so they're literally trying to buy up $1,000,000 to basically jump from the PGA over to this new league. Wow. And so they're literally trying to buy up all the best players and just move them over into this league they just created. So they go to this league, that means they can't go and they're not competing in the PGA anymore. Right. They're just competing in this league. So think about that. Like all the legacy of whatever is started with the PGA.

Yeah. They're just going to jump over and start this entirely new thing, and so Tiger actually turned it down, and he's like, there's always money out there. So this is really, this is a really interesting conversation because. And there were organizations that try to do this with the NFL.

Well, we've ever saw it with UFC fighting. You haven't really seen it. Wasn't there something to do with the NFL? Like the XFL? Yeah, but they weren't trying to buy them. No, this is different. Yeah, they were just trying to create another option And they're the interesting part about this conversation is it's extremely lucrative And so there's huge margins in the NFL NBA golf and so like that So it does present an opportunity for someone to pull like an Amazon right where they take a loss for

Five ten years. Yeah, you know just to acquire all the talent in Amazon, right? Where they take a loss for five, 10 years, you know, just to acquire all the talent. So they, if they have the kind of capital to and run rate to do that, and literally still they're blueprint. Like why not? Why can't they do it? I mean, you're seeing that right now Spotify

is doing that with podcasters. That, I mean, they spent almost a billion dollars last year on acquiring people like Joe Rogan and all these other big names to come over. They didn't make a billion dollars back from right now. So they're gonna lose on that for at least, I don't know, three, five, maybe 10 years. You guys are way more into professional sports than I am,

but because of the legacy and the heritage, I feel like this would be harder to compete with because the average fan, it's loyal to NFL, NBA. And even though they're loyal to those organizations because of the content that they're creating because of the professional names and athletes I have, if somebody can come in and out pay all the biggest names. You think of most people with their own threat? It's a threat.

A hundred percent. Okay. So I'm going to know what's brilliant about this is that you're going after, okay, I don't know the numbers on this, but this is, so this is a really interesting, Justin. So maybe golf is one of the easier sports to do this with. They already travel around the world to do a lot of their, like the tournaments and stuff like that. So they're playing all the way there already international.

Yeah, they're already international as it is. There's probably a lot less players, not like by acquiring all the individuals, too. It's not exactly. Yeah, exactly. So you could go by, let's say, 50 of the top golfers, and that's all you need to literally take over the PGA. If you took 50 of the top NBA players, you still don't have. So I'm going to play devil's advocate.

I'm going to play devil's advocate. You don't have half of them. I'm going to play devil's advocate here. I would assume that big sport, like companies like Nike, Adidas, whatever, have deals with, already have deals with places like the PGA, NBA, NFL. So going to one of these organizations may mean that you can't work with these other companies. No, no, no, no.

What they have, the deals would be, what they would have is like this, like Nike would be locked up with, might assign a five-year deal with the MBA to do advertising for commercials and stuff like that. The Nike has direct deals with the athletes. That's what I've got. Most as money was just from that direct. Would there be something in those agreements that you have to play in the MBA? That they are not allowed to play in a competing organization. I'm like a non-compete.

Here's the other devil's advocate. If I'm a politician and I'm looking at this Saudi backed company competing with our American company, that could definitely be something that would be hard to overcome and be like, hey, they're going to destroy some American heritage. NBA's been here for a long, a long 100 years or whatever. Now we've got this other company trying to take over. Oh, come on. Do you think the NBA's loyal to American heritage?

No, I think that they would use that. That's like an oxymoron right there. I don't know. No, you're right. You're right. However, I'm talking about like, they could use it that way. I don't think they are at all. Obviously, look at their deals with China.

Right. It was a big part of it. Yeah. I mean, I think they would sell the highest bidder. You know what I'm saying? I don't think there's any loyalty there whatsoever. Interesting. And so that's why I'm like, man, this is cut throat.

Like, they were just coming in and off making these offers. Yes, maybe there's some resistance right now, but how long? Well, so I mean, the reason why it hasn't happened in the past, in my opinion, is just to get the amount of money it would take to actually do that. But again, the example I use is like an Amazon who's gone in and disrupted industries

and taken losses for years and years and years in order to dominate. This is a little different because they're so established. Like NFL, NBA, PGA, they have long, long histories. They've been dominant for so long. I like competition, I think this is a great thing, because I think it's better for everybody. But because of their heritage, like boxing, for example,

is much easier to disrupt, because they had different organizations. It was about the fighters. There wasn't like this one dominant organization, League or whatever. Speaking of which, did you guys hear about Butterbeen calling out Jake Paul or? I did hear about that. No. Okay, if there's ever somebody I want to see fight Jake Paul, it would be Butterbeen. Like, it's just to me, that's just, that's like the perfect because he was, he's been

like a troll forever. No, right. And like, he fought like just anybody who would step in the ring with him and it was like this huge wrestler. Sometimes it was always like this kind of freak show thing, but he could throw blows. Like people like slapped on butterbeam. And his head is made out of concrete, but he's old now, isn't he?

He's old. I know they kept claiming he's in like good shit. I don't know if he's changed the end but he's capable. Apparently, and so. Is don't know. Shades he never made a good shit. But yeah, it's like he's capable, apparently. And so, is he like 58 maybe? Yeah. Think about, I mean, he's just sees nothing but green. I mean, I, you know, throwing this out there to Jake Paul. The Paul Brothers have definitely become

extremely polarizing personalities, right? But they've grown on me. I like him. Yeah, I like him. I have a lot of respect for what. I don't know if I like him, but I'm so excited. It's very calculated what they're doing. And you gotta get, I mean, come on. I know a lot of people like shit on them, as far as like real boxer would take, okay, fair

enough, but it's like. They're playing the game, dude. They're playing the money game. Exactly. They're playing the money game. And I mean, he actually kind of holds his own. I mean, he's not like, like, Woodley is not like a, like a slap. You know what I'm saying? I can't get in a ring and like, fight him in six months.

You know what I'm saying? You knock my ass out and I know that. I'm not firing his butt. So far. Yeah, I mean, so I mean, it's not why, I mean, he's got skills. You know, a lot of people don't know the history about her being like this guy, he fought, and what do they call tough man contest?

Yeah. Tough man back in the day was regular guys getting in the ring with gloves and just hammering each other and he dominated. Then he made that he was like he was like Jake Paul in a sense before Jake Paul. That's not mean. Yeah. He made the leap over to a professional boxing and everybody thought he was going to get his ass kicked. He actually did okay. He did all right.

Yeah. It's just that he obviously stamina and like he has to give the oldie lifts. Bro, he's he had to get his knockout punch in before he's fighting style his fighting style was if he connected He put you to sleep and he could take a lot of punch the only thing I don't like about this stuff And so I would be interesting to hear like where he's at like what I get worried about is some of these guys Desperate because they need money because they've, you know, they spent their wealth when they were young and capable. And they now see like a quick money grab and like that's kind of dangerous. But this ties in, I think, to that whole, like, who's going to that new golf league, you know,

it's like, it's like they can easily pull, like, names that have had, like, significance back in the day. But in terms of, like, right now, like, the, the best of significance back in the day, but in terms of like right now, like the best of the best and the fighters, like they want that like pedigree, they want to get the accolades and all that kind of stuff along with the money. Yeah, about boxing man, I don't know, 58.

I don't think he's 58. In boxing years, that's like 120 like. I see, yeah. Especially after taking a lot of punishment over time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know how healthy he is. I mean, what's the motivation if you're someone like him to even get in the ring with like a chick?

Why? Why do they? Oh, are you right? It might be money. It has to be. I mean, why else would you even put yourself? Boxers are notoriously terrible with their money. That's historically just true. They're known for back in the day, they would make their money, then they'd open a bar,

and then they'd get overweight and lose their money. Well, what happened? I mean, I think that's just, then they'd open a bar, and then they'd get overweight and lose their money. Well, what happened? I mean, I think that's just, I mean, that's any athlete, right? I think the percentage on, like, young athletes that come into, like, millions of dollars, I think it's like 80-something percent of them end up losing, losing all of it. I mean, there's something, I was funny. I was actually just thinking about this.

Katrina and I were talking about money and savings and stuff like that. You know, to be long To be long term like wealthy, it really does require a respect for money. It's hard to gain a respect for money when you get a windfall of it overnight. When you came from nothing for so long, you're struggling, you're eating hot pockets and living off a top ramen,

and then you hit it because you become this professional athlete, and they sign you for this multi-multimillion dollar deal, and you just get it overnight. And there's no, you never develop the respect. Well, part of it is a tool, it's a very powerful tool. And part of it is because the skills and discipline required to earn money over time,

if you build it, let's say an investments or business, is different than if you are a talented musician or actor or athlete where all of a sudden it's like boom. Well, especially when you read the statistics and stuff on what makes what's the most common themes amongst all millionaires and billionaires, and that is the ability to live significantly below their means. You know that's the most common thing of all of them?

Not they invest in the stock market, not that they had rich parents, not that they were an entrepreneur, not that they were a big CEO, the most common theme amongst all millionaires and billionaires is that they can live significantly below their means. They've built those habits in, and that is what is like that.

Because the habits you may have to be in a good athlete might not carry over to the habits and discipline that you build with money. Or just the skill because it's a whole different, you know, ballgame. Remember Tyson when he went bankrupt? And they talked about some of the stuff he had. Like he had like pet tigers and like, like just crazy. I'm on some money. For me, as a kid, the first one I remember being so big, like making news like that

was MC Hammer. Oh, yeah, he went bankrupt. Yeah, when he had like, you know, 50 people in the entourage that were like, like a multi-million dollar, like entourage just to go with his and his family. It was tough because he's like trying to give back to his community and all this and so, he's like trying to bring it back.

But then he, all of a sudden, now everybody's like hanging out and like taking money. And, you know, I've seen that happen a few times. So, I'm gonna celebrate. The way I would do it is I would say that's fine if you want to spend a bunch of money but take a certain percentage that you're going to invest no matter what and then you can blow the rest at least that money you know is going to do something for you. Well they've gotten a lot better that like you mentioned like oh yeah they have like courses now right so you come in the NFL and I think it's a week long course that you have to

go through and I forget what it's called, but there's a title for I'm sure somebody will DM and tell me that's been through it. And the agents will hook them up with opportunities for the experience and like, yeah, it's a lot more financially driven. My buddy who is a sports agent, one of the things like how the,

and he's been one for a long time, the thing that his position is involved. It's like literally like he's now a social media guy and an investing guy. Like a big part, like. How do you coaches him on how to keep? Yeah, like negotiating contracts is one thing, right? But that's a very small part of their job now.

What makes them really competitive against other sports agents is how well can you help this guy develop his personal brand? Like I.e. social media and stuff like that. And then how well can you help him manage his money you know with investing and things like that. That's how well can you help him manage his money with investing and things like that? That's what makes you like a really good sports agent today in comparison to what it was, you know, say 20 years ago.

Yeah, well, they're all skills. You have to learn and develop over time. That's why I think if they invented a fitness pill and someone took it and just became like, you know, lean and whatever, they wouldn't, they would only drive anything. They would derive a fraction of the benefit that you actually get through going through the process

because of those habits and behaviors that you develop. You know, speaking of that and developing skills to make more money, did you see what NCI did? I did. Super cool. I did. So what they're doing is, so they did this whole course that normally you would pay a ton of money for,

and they recorded it and now are allowing people to watch it and learn from it for free. And this is for coaches, fitness coaches and trainers. And these are the things that they talk about, which normally you would spend a lot of money having Jason and his team teach you. It's had a captured attention online, had a grower following, doing it the smart way, had a nurture your audience so that they start to trust you and like you, and they had to convert followers into high- clients so that you can obviously deliver results and build a business, and it's all they're doing it for free. So it's a recording, it's all out there, and you can go, and I think whatever it's the site, Doug, that people go to for that?

Yeah, it's mpbusinesscoachingchallenge.com. So mmismaryp has impaled businesscoachingchallenge.com. Yeah, that a Mary P. is a Paul business coaching challenge.com. Yeah, that's gonna be pretty interesting. Yeah, sure. Hey, so looked up, I just read a study on testosterone replacement therapy. And it was a pretty well-made study. It was a 11 year study.

So it was a pretty long year long study. Okay. And they, so they took men, obviously half of them testosterone replacement therapy, the other half, not on to Stoshwell replacement therapy. They controlled for things like diet and exercise. And to Stoshwell replacement therapy had pretty significant impacts on longevity, improved longevity across the board.

Which is great because, again, remember, this is a hormone that, because if abuse can be used for sports and whatever, everybody thinks it's just like dangerous hormone. Oh, no, you're going to take this. It has to help whatever. Everybody thinks it's just like dangerous hormone. Oh, no, you're gonna take this. It's has to help with the stigma that it's. They were, they were leaner, better mobility, better longevity, better cognition. I mean, just across the board, better insulin,

you know, sensitivity, just better longevity because they went from low testosterone to optimal levels of testosterone through replacement therapy. So now when you say they controlled for, you know, and exercise, does that mean that, you know, because here's another thing that I would think is because you're taking testosterone, you also are more likely to have better behaviors around exercise and diet. Right.

So they control for that. So like you're not even getting the, so what I'm saying, wasn't from the exercise and diet. Right. Right. But I would make the case that there's even more benefit. Absolutely. Like with that, like I would think the case that there's even more benefit. Absolutely. Like with that, like I would think that the people that were on that were also more consistent

with their diet and exercise because they feel better. Absolutely. And they're more motivated because they probably saw better results. And so that's the thing. Teasing that out is another thing, but it's like that's another factor that you have to add that you're really. Yeah, leave that in. Like if your testosterone levels are low and you optimize them with a good doctor, right,

who knows how to kind of measure, and, and, by the way, this isn't just as easy as, and I want to be clear here, I've talked about this before. It's not just take testosterone. You still want, you want to have a doctor who knows what they're doing, how to monitor you, because testosterone affects other hormones, and you want to find the right balance.

But anyway, if you go from low testosterone to optimal for yourself, your mood improves, your energy improves, you have more drive, you don't need to sleep as much or you don't feel as exhausted, which is gonna lead to more activity, better motivation and drive for maybe eating healthier. So they controlled for that. Now, if you left that alone, I bet the longevity

it's gonna show up even better. Yeah, you know? So I mean, pretty interesting stuff. By the way, they used a form of testosterone. I did not know this existed. And I don't think it would matter what form of testosterone you take, whether you do it, you know, shorter acting or longer acting.

But they have a form of testosterone in Europe that the last, I think it's, I wanna say, two, 21 days or something like that? Oh, long half life. Super long half life. I didn't even know that existed. No, as far as I knew that the, an anthaid or sipping it along.

Yes, thank you. An anthaid is the ones that takes the longest. No, that's the one that was like, it was like one four days, is that four or seven days? No, it might even be longer. It might be 12 weeks. What? Yeah, it might be 12 weeks.

I swear to God. No way. Yeah, you know, I'm know, I sent the, Doug, I sent the link to the YouTube group. Maybe you can pull it up and really? Yeah, and we'll see. And I believe it was, it's a very, very long acting. There were 800 people, by the way, in this particular.

It's a tination. Yeah, it's one blowing lock. It's one shot every 12 weeks. Yeah, Doug had it up and then it disappeared right nation. Yeah, it's one blowing lock. It's one shot every 12 weeks. Yeah, Doug had it up and then it disappeared right there. Yeah, Andrew and I were competing here. Oh, sorry. I didn't know he, I was casting, he was casting at the same time.

It was, it was 12 weeks. One injection every 12 weeks. Crazy, right? Wow. And I would, I'd love to see is it to keep the level? It does. Wow. Now, here's the drawback.

Why not taking that away rather I want to take a shot once every 12. I know you know what the problem with that though would be is it when you're finding the right dose now you got it the shot in Yeah, and that correcting it would be much harder. So I even noticed that with because I when I was administering it to myself I Anathase is what I use which has the longer half-life I Find that my hormones are better balanced now, running Sipinate. Oh, what the little bit of me.

So they have me on Sipinate, and I think, and for that exact reason, that I can control. Yeah, because if it's too much, it's like, well, okay, wait a minute, wait for 12 weeks for this kind of commander system. And yeah, not only that too, if you go a little early, so one of the things that's hard, I would imagine about 12 weeks,

I mean, you'd have to be really good about marking your calendar, because I know how many times I've been like, wait a second, was that five days ago? Six days ago, I would imagine about 12 weeks. I mean, you'd have to be really good about marking your calendar because I know how many times I've been like, wait a second, was that five days ago? Six days ago, I find myself doing that. Interesting. Wasn't there another related study that you were talking to me about, like,

endocrine disrupting chemicals after I've been like increasing substantial. Well, they did this study and they studied the urine of 100 men and they found dangerous levels above what's considered safe of endocrine disrupting chemicals. Yeah, like phallates and other chemicals to everybody.

Other chemicals that affect your hormonal system, and they think, according to what I read in the study, that this is why, I don't know this either, over the last 40 years, sperm counts have halved halved over the last four decades, and they think it's these chemicals. And the problem is, when we do studies on these chemicals, they study one chemical.

Yeah. So they'll say, here's the safe amount for BPA. Here's a safe amount for this, but what they don't take into account is that, there's 30 of these chemicals. It's a multitude of them, yeah. Because of all these different plastics. Every day, all day.

Yeah, it's just inundated with all of it. Yeah, it's just like, and that's why I think it's related to, you know, this exogenous hormone therapy. It's because we got to do something. We got to intervene at this point with all these, like, disrupting chemicals. By the way, and this market has exploded. And I do want to say this, when you're looking at hormone replacement therapy labs,

all of them will give you the same stuff, but they all have different doctors and different types of monitoring. What you pay for is not the testosterone, that's included. What you pay for is the staff and monitoring. That makes the biggest difference. You do not what you don't want is go with the bargain one,

you get your testosterone and they don't, they're just not as privy in terms of maximizing. If all you're trying to do is hunt down testosterone, then sure why not? But I mean, if you're really trying to balance your hormones and learn like I was, so I pay more with regenerative that I was paying with the other company.

So it is a little bit more money, but I would pay double that for the knowledge that I'm gaining by being with Rand and Dr. Todd because of the information that I can, they have an answer for everything that I asked where I was the other company. And I was looking at everything. Yeah, the opposite was, I was working with the other company. It was like, the doctor approved all my stuff, but I was working with like just a normal nurse that was administering it to me.

And whenever I had questions, it was like, oh, I think so. Or maybe the red flag is when you know more than they do. Yeah. And I know that I don't know that much in that area. I mean, that's an area that I, there's a lot for me still to learn in that Dr. Todd ran continually to educate me on so. I mean, and for our audience, it's like if this is anything you've ever thought about, or you have family or friends or yourself, like the forum is free. So not being in there, you're missing out on all this. Well, you can get, actually,

I wanna talk about the forum. So when you go on the forum, what you'll get is one of the doctors will talk on there weekly live, and you can ask them questions. And you can also, if you're a member of mphormones.com, you can ask them, you can try asking questions directly. But what I really highly recommend, if you're already getting therapy or from somewhere else or you want an

e-vowl, you go to mphormones.com and they'll do, and you can pay for this, but you'll get comprehensive blood work and analysis. And whether you do work with them or not, they'll be able to break it down and tell you kind of what's going on. Yeah, but I think I got a respect for the doctors. I mean, I noticed the other day on there that there's a lot of, I mean, people, there's over 7,000 people now in that forum. And there's a lot of people that are using other doctors' medication and then they're,

they're, they're, you're trying to ask them. Yeah, and then they're asking all the questions and taking up the, the time of the doctors in our forum to help them with theirs. And it's just like, you know, and it's there. We pay for that service for them to get help and so on that, but you're really taking from the people that are investing in those doctors and helping them out.

And it's like, to me, I'm like, they don't say anything. They consider it. Yeah, I just say, they don't say anything because they're cool like that right now, but I mean, I feel like it's. They don't get overwhelming, anyway. Yeah, it will. It'll get to a point where they can't help every single person in there. So be mindful of that.

I just think it's, I mean, to me, it's just, that's like a respect thing. Like if I'm getting this incredible service from a doctor, you're paying hundreds of dollars an hour normally to have access to, especially a specialist like that. And you're getting free access on the phone with that. And then you're not even using their service. It's kind of like, come on, dude.

It's like, speaking of it, Doug, is this episode goes up before Father's Day, right? Yeah. Are you guys doing anything for Father's Day? You guys have? Yeah, you had yours, right? So, we did goes up before Father's Day, right? Yeah. Are you guys doing anything for Father's Day? You guys have? Yeah, you're right. We did mine, because Jessica will be out of town. Yeah.

I'm actually, I'm going to sanctuary, Courtney's taking me there. Oh, you are? Yeah, over the weekend. So I'm excited about that. And just get time. And then Sunday, we'll be hanging out with the kids and then doing our hike in and whatnot.

So we're gonna try and find a spot. That's nice. Like pinnacles or something we got to go to hit up. Katrina just asked me a lot. She actually asked me last night because I guess her family, all the guys are getting together at her moms and they know them. So all the women will barbeque and cook for the guys like we do the opposite from other's day. I think we're supposed to do that on Sunday, although she was asked me, we don't have anything going on that. We can do you want to do something else else And I haven't decided if I want to do that or I want to kind of get away or have somebody watch Max and then have Katrina And I be able to do something so I'm kind of torn on yeah, what I'm gonna do well

Viori Apparently expects a huge surge of people buying fathers they gifts for who doesn't want that because of their you know because they're obviously They they have men and women's clothes. I wonder if that's one of their better days. It is. Oh, is it? Yeah, so I was looking it up. So right now, you know what they're doing online is these like apparently dads are hard to buy gifts for.

I guess this makes sense. I mean, my dad's always hard to buy gift for. Yeah, I just go get what I want. That's the, I think that's the problem. That's what it is. And but there's this, this guy, there's these guides online. Like, you know, gift ideas for dad. This is smart. Viori's on like every other one.

So like every time I pull them up, Viori's one of the ones that they list as like, oh, core shorts or, you know, these pants are. Core shorts, I just had Courtney ordered me some of the, they had this like cactus green color, core short, anyway, it was dope. I mean, they're advertising in the NBA playoffs, dude. So they are.

Oh my God. Yeah, they're definitely spending some bread right now. That's a, then it's got to be one of the more expensive. Yeah, it's so cool to see our guy who is, who they got from us from modeling our programs, actually modeling on television for Viori. I think that's so cool. Yeah, wait, wait, wait, what do you mean? Yeah, that's our model, dude.

That's how they got introduced to him was from, Oh, was that from our, yeah, from our, yeah From our from our from our programs initially and total. He's on tonal also both them They both plucked him from from us first. I mean he was doing work for us. We assigned them We just are signing Maybe we could have afforded it back then we would have thought of that I don't think we could have afforded to be just sign a model so that randomly back then. That's pretty crazy. But it is cool to see, you know, it's really neat to see him doing well, it's neat to

see Viori on like massive platform like that doing commercials, I mean they have to be crushing them, they were in the billions already right last year when we saw that valuation come out so it'd be interesting to see where they're at now, you know, they have to be rivaling Lulu by now. No. You don't think so? No, I think so. It's all mainstream marketing now. But I do know that they're at now. They have to be rivaling Lulu by now. You don't think so? No, I don't think so. It's all mainstream marketing now.

But I do know that they're on the radar. I know that now everybody's looking at them, but I think Lulu's so. Oh, they gotta be, because you know right now, that's one of the worries things. They pop up right across the street. I noticed that every time.

I'm sure they're on the radar. Or in their busier, have you guys gone nuts? Yeah, there's more people in their stores than. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe you could look up a Lulu, like how they've been doing for the last year. I wonder if they're falling out of fear or they're still in growth mode.

I don't know. They've been popular for so long now. Have they peaked or are they still in growth? Yeah, let me check. I mean, think about this. Okay, Lulu is one of the first ATHLEASURE wear brands that ever existed. Like that is made leggings a thing. Well, is one of the first ATHLEASURE wear brands that ever existed. Like that is made leggings a thing.

Well, that was it. So ATHLEASURE wear, that was not a thing. When we grew up, ATHLEASURE was not a thing. It is now a- No, if you wore sweats, you were either a bum or sick or an employed or you're going to go work out. Right, right. So that's the thing we had were those juicy sweats.

Oh yeah. That was the only cool thing. Yeah, for checks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, they literally created, they created an entire market that did not exist. And now there's a ton of brands that are in that space. How's it look, Doug? Lulus doing well. So in 2020, they had 3.9 billion in revenue. Yeah. In 2021, 4.4 billion in 2022, 6.2 billion. Still growth. The whole market is exploding.

Wow. The whole market is exploding. I mean, just a year, it was a year or two years ago when Viori got there, what, $2 billion evaluation, so they're, they're. Yeah, but that doesn't mean that. I know, of course. No, of course.

That's probably divide that by three to six. And that's probably, they're still, they're probably trading. They're probably trading. Yeah, they've been probably trading for a hot men. Interesting. I watched an interview of publicly traded for a hot men. Interesting. I watched an interview of the CEO on Patrick Bet David.

It was a really good actually interview, listening to his story. I think I brought it up on the podcast a long time ago. He's been putting out really good content. I don't know if you guys ever tune into his stuff, but I mean, he's been calling the correction and recession for well over a year. He'd call gas prices like a year and a half ago where they'd be. He said they reached $10 and we're getting real close to that right now.

Over my house at 730 right now. Wow. Yeah. Pretty soon there was a meme that said gas is so expensive. I'm just going to snort cocaine and run everywhere. Yeah. It'll be cheaper. Yeah.

It's like a senator said that at one point. Yeah, like this. I've seen a flood of the Senator said that at one point. Yeah, like this would probably, I've seen a video of him actually literally saying that had in court or like, it's pressing. Are you serious? I don't know what his name is, but I've seen a guy actually say that verbally.

You know what's interesting is that when the car became a part of American life, it changed everything and cities got built around that. So if you look at old cities, before cars were invented, like San Francisco, New York City, whatever, if you live in those cities, you don't need to own a car. You walk everywhere. Then the car was invented and it gave people freedom

and it created these sprawling suburbs where people live here, work way over here, where you need to have a car. Like if you live in San Jose, if you don't have a car, you're kind of San Jose if you don't have a car you're kind of screwed right you got to have some kind of transportation I wonder if we're gonna move back to the old way if if like scooters and mopeds are gonna be on the rise here in terms of like people downgrading you know they're they're way to get to what is it what

is it look like in India and China like China China has that, what's that area in China? Okay, so that's probably most likely what we'll, we'll try and move to is there's an area that they compare to that China try to build their own little Silicon Valley. I forget the name of it, but it's got, it's basically like, you know, San Jose, Oakland, San Francisco, just like we have. And it's all, they have like all the, the speed rails connected to all of it. And so you can get from, it's me like, I'm speedily at the San Francisco in like eight minutes.

Yeah. It's like crazy. So what's, Doug, you know what I'm talking about? I feel like you should know this. I don't know. Oh really? You don't know this? So look up, Andrew may look up the Silicon Valley of China

and there's something like that Google like that, sounds a better Googler. But I would think that would come up. I feel like that's like, it's not like a bad man. You're like, a whizzler. Whizzard. this is not like a bad man. You're the Googler. Wizard. That's not like a bad man.

Well, this is pretty good. So by the way, they heavily invested in this area for a while, and this is part of why they think we're going to get our asses kicked in the next decade or two by China because of how they've aggregated all these brilliant minds and companies, tech companies and stuff. All the transportation is really easy. Everybody can get to each other really, really. Look, the old city designs with some changes as the way it should be.

People are healthier in these cities because they walk more and they just are. And so the model of the suburb, but the whatever, it's a very, very, only silver line we can talk about. Yeah, that's the way they need design towns and cities. If you want, and it'll make a significant impact on people's health, because, like I said,

I have family lives in San Francisco, and half of them don't even have a car because it doesn't make any sense. And they walk everywhere. And I think that's probably the way that we're gonna have to go at some point. I don't know, they'd have to do massive change though to a lot of these cities, especially in the West.

You have to see what this looks like. If you find a dog, I am looking for it. Andrew, do you? Is it called Shenzhen? Is that what it is? And it's like multiple cities, right? All within a certain distance and they're all linked together by like a high speed train, I believe.

You have to know you just sit on that. So that's kind of interesting. Yeah, and how can you give me the size of it? Like how many people and like, I forget how big it is, but it's supposed to be like extremely impressive. Did you guys know that China's population is so high in comparison to the rest of the world? That if you did the average human on earth, it would be a 30-year-old Chinese man.

Do you guys know that? Oh, really? I saw this in the video. I saw it again. Say what? So China has so many, the population is so big in comparison to the rest of the world, that if you did like a, you know, you do averages, right? If you did the average human on earth,

the average human on earth is a 30 year old Chinese man. I saw this guy just say, that's a funny stat. I know, right? So aliens visiting earth, the average guy. You know the other thing that they have that we don't have is an app that is like kind of like a, all in one. It's the WeChat. Oh yeah.

That they have, which is basically like, Vinmo. You know what else they have that we don't have? What camps or they reeducate people. So they can follow them. Or at least we don't know them. We do it anymore. It's not good. Hey, check this out. Look, a lot of individuals suffer from digestive issues, especially fitness enthusiasts because we eat a lot of protein, oftentimes a lot of fiber, sometimes we get bloated or constipated, can't figure out what's going on. Well, digestive enzymes can definitely help, but you want to work with a company that specializes in digestive enzymes for athletes and fitness enthusiasts. And it's really easy to use. Take a couple of them with your meal, and you get more or better, I should say,

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all the way down to my hand has literally been like so tight and so, it feels like it's pumped literally all the time. And kind of to the point where it has been annoying and can cause some pain at times, sometimes you can even notice like a literal difference in color between my two arms because that, I did include a picture of that. So if you're a little broled up, you'll definitely see the difference

that I'm talking about. But yeah, so I've kind of been, I thought it was my shoulder. I think it's my shoulder like upper chest maybe, but I've been using Maps Prime and Prime Pro to kind of regularly treat that. And I've been doing a lot of like wall circles or the big ones or is the big one that I'm working around that I have been using to kind of address

this and then the other like the role with the lift off is the other one that I've been using for it and I haven't really seen that help much when I first started to do that it almost seemed like it started to get worse in a way like the tightness in the pain But yeah, when I do those wall circles I can Literally feel like a huge shift in a pop in my shoulder when it's kind of like that behind my head stage and I twist my wrist around and That doesn't happen on my left side at all and then I can also notice that my right wrist has been giving me a little trouble sometimes to maybe a little mobility issues in there or so.

And yeah, I've kind of been trying to address this as best I can. I've started using my left hand for like my daily activities, which has been kind of tough because I am right hand dominant. So just trying to get away from that a little bit. But yeah, it's kind of curious if you guys had any ideas of what this could be or any advice. So yeah, have you seen a doctor Josh? No, I haven't yet. Yeah. That's the first place you should go. When you notice, you know, swelling and one side, you could have either a blockage, some vasoconstriction going on for some reason or some nerve issues that are happening. So this is, I don't think you can exercise your way

necessarily out of this. Yeah, so this is a situation where I would, in fact, when we get off here, I would have you go see somebody just to check it out to make sure that there's nothing major, like a clot of some sort. I don't necessarily think that's what it is, but when you see a difference in one arm or one leg, the other, especially when they're swelling, that's involved.

There could be something that could be underlying that needs to get looked at by a doctor. So there's nothing I can give you, exercise or movement wise, that would fix this or help this, unless you went and got cleared by a doctor and they said, hey, it's not a blood clot, there's no nerve damage issues, there's no vasoconstriction stuff going on here, in which case then we would look at things like deep tissue massage and exercise.

But yeah, definitely I would go see somebody, in fact, when we hang up here. It's got a constipation issue, no? It has to be right. Could be. I mean, we actually got a chance to see the picture, so we're looking at it. And it's substantial up here, it's got a circulation issue. No, it has to be right. I mean, we're we actually got a chance to see the picture So we're looking at it and it's yeah, it's substantial. Yeah, it's definitely. Yeah, it's very yeah, it's very obvious You got something going on so um at way above my pay grade so 100% I would send you in for sure too because I don't know if I've ever seen anybody that has that much swelling on one side

Compared to the other without really doing anything. Yeah, there's something called the RASIC Outlet Syndrome. Again, I'm not a doctor, but I trained a bunch of doctors, and I remember one time working out with one of my clients who was, you know, he was a, this was his specialty, right? He worked on the circulatory system, and he saw some of my shoulder veins kind of bulging out a little bit, and he said, hey, you want to make sure that you, you know, you never have any issues with swelling, and stuff like that because you could have something called thoracic outlet syndrome where,

and I pulled it up here so I can read a little bit more about it, but it's a group of conditions that compress the nerves and blood vessels that pass between the collarbone and the first rib. And sometimes this happens when you build a lot of muscle or movement patterns kind of go off. But nonetheless, this is something you got to go get checked out. And I would do that as soon as possible

just because we want to rule out anything major. Okay, so that sounds good. Yeah, it's kind of what I was afraid of. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't want to freak you. I don't want to freak you out. It's a magical exercise, yeah, I hope you are. Yeah, so I would love't want to freak you. I don't want to make some magical exercise, yeah, I hope you are. Yeah, so I would love to hear what's happening. Yeah, I would love to hear a follow up too.

Are you in our forum, Josh? No, I'm not. All right, we'll let you in the forum just because I would love for you afterwards to tag us in the forum on Facebook. Let us know what the doctor said because I'd love to see what the deal is. Don't freak out too much, I'm not trying to scare you.

But this is definitely a situation. If you're my client, I wouldn't even train you. I'd send you right away to the doctor just to get checked out. Okay, cool. Yeah, I will definitely do that. And I'm sure I will ask him to about like moving forward with the exercise and that kind of stuff. Do you guys, I mean, I don't really have time today

within the next few days to go to the doctor so would you guys just recommend. Take it off. Yeah, take it easy until you go see the doctor. And once the doctor tells you what you got going on, we could probably better advise you. Josh, then we'll know the limitations and all that to work with, but we need to know that before

we would ever tell you anything. I'm gonna press you and, you need to go see someone right when we hang up here. So when you see, when you see swelling like that, if it is a clot, that needs to get handled right away because I could get real bad. Is it swollen right now? And it wouldn't you send that picture?

How recent is that picture? That was taken last night. Are you swollen right now? It kind of changes throughout the day. I mean, in the morning is definitely the worst. And then like as I get it moving throughout the day. I mean, in the morning is definitely the worst. And then, like, as I get it moving throughout the day, it definitely feels a little better, but I mean, it's still painful the whole day.

Yeah. My guess is thoracic outlet syndrome, based off what you're saying. However, again, I would want to rule out something major, like a, like a blood clot of some sort. So I would go get I would go get checked out. So I don't know what you're going what's going on today, but I would take yourself to the ER and say, Hey, I've got swelling in

one side. It's painful. And they'll probably take a look at your right away. Okay. All right. So you're saying go right to the ER? Well, if you don't if you can't make an appointment, I wouldn't wait a day or two. I would go right away. All right. Sounds good. All right, Josh. Yeah. Lube back. Let us know, man. Let us, sounds good. All right, Josh. Yeah, loop back. Let us know, man. Let us know what happened. All right, Josh. Thank you. Appreciate it.

I hate freaking people out like this. When you have unidentified swelling on one side? And it's very obvious. It's not like, you know, I looked at the picture. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's not like kind of. No. You could see it all the way from his shoulder all the way down to his wrist. Yeah, and if it is a clot, that can turn to something really bad.

And I mean, again, I'm not a doctor, but I don't think that's what it is. But you want to rule that shit out, and I wouldn't wait a day or two. I mean, if you start to see something like that. Yeah, you'd want to go get checked out. And there's death, like look, here's a deal. There's a lot of things that correctional exercise

can help and work on and improve. But when you have a sudden change in fluid retention or color or numbness or tingling or pain even. Yeah, and it's just unexplained. What's going on? Why does one side look different the other? Go get a look at because what Western medicine

is really good at is ruling out emergency situations. You know, best case scenario, they're like, oh, there's nothing really wrong here or there might be some impingement or whatever. Fine, but worst case scenario, it's like, you're happy you went. Yeah, and this is one of those things you brought up the wall circle and I was trying my best

to like, cue that to like, if you feel any of these restrictions, you feel any of this pain, it's like back off. Like don't just like muscle your way through it, like it's like a wrap you're trying to max your way through. Like this is something that you gotta pay attention to all of these, this feedback that your body's giving you. Yeah, well it is defense too.

I mean the audience can't see anybody's like a young fit guy. So you know, you're not thinking like there's something. I'm just putting out that there for everybody. Basically, you're wrong with yourself, right? So, you just assume that it's probably not that big of deal, which is why he probably hasn't even set an appointment to go take a look at it. That's the being of being young.

Yeah, no, no. It's never an issue. I had a client. It hits home, dude. I had a whole, my arm was swollen, and then I was just trying to work through it, and I had to go to the doctor. What was the problem?

It was a reaction that I had to have a masturbation. I'm having masturbation. I'm sorry. I'm having masturbation. I'm sorry. They went too fast. Doctors said lay off on that side with a little too much. Guys, cream guy.

Yeah, little too much. Yeah, let's switch up your cream. Switch up your cream. Yeah, go ahead. I had a client once come in and she goes, and you know what, part of this is, I appreciate the clients trust me so much, but you gotta be as a coach or trainer.

Don't let your ego make you feel like you have to have the answers. She came in and she goes, Hey, my right leg suddenly feels like really weak. What exercises can we do? I'm like, there's no exercises. Go to a doctor right now. Check that.

And it happened to be a little nervous damage. Oh, yeah. So, yeah. Our next caller is Andrew from to be a little nervous. Oh, yeah. Our next caller is Andrew from Indiana. Andrew, what's happening, man? You know, I knew I recognized you. We we had you at the VIP event a while ago, yeah? Yes, sir, yes, sir, had a great time. Yeah, excellent. By the way, great, mind pump gear in the back. Is that your home gym? Yeah, it's a home gym. Yeah, we got the mind pump gear in the

long sleep tea. Good deal, man. Awesome. Alright, so what's your question? How can we help you? Hey, I want to see you guys give me some recommendations or some advice. My core, when I'm doing core exercises is my abs are cramping really bad. And to give you a little bit of background right now, I'm running an anabolic in phase two. Right before this I ran power lift. And by the way, that program was great.

I added 30 pounds to my dead lift to my squat and then another 20 to my bench. So really successful. I'm over on anabolic now running it for a lot of multiple times. And when I get to the core exercise, my abs cramp up really bad and I just don't know why. I've got good water intake, a gallon a day, I'm using some LMNT with sleep. So I wanted to see what kind of advice or recommendations you guys had. Yeah, that's a relatively common thing. Caves and cores, what I hear people say when it comes to muscle cramps. How much sodium are you having a day?

You said you're using LMNT, what are you doing, like one packet? Yeah, just one packet. I usually do it when I wake up. Okay, go to two. Yeah, and also, what about the rest of your diet? Is it a whole foods-based diet, or do you ever have processed foods? Yeah, it's pretty clean. I do add a lot of salt to my to meals.

Okay, you're probably gonna need more sodium, believe it or not, so I would add another packet. And then here's the thing, you know, touring. Toring actually helps a lot of people with a lot of muscles. So people tend to build a lot of muscle, have good strength. Toring can help some people with a lot of muscles. So people tend to build a lot of muscle, have good strength. Toring can help some people with muscle cramps as well. So you might want to try supplementing with touring maybe before your workouts and see

if that helps as well. So I would up sodium so you could throw into the packet or two. I mean, to give you some context, I probably have three packets of elementia day. And my diet is very low in heavily processed foods, and I salt everything as well. But about three packets a day, and I feel best. When I drop below that, I start to notice some effects of maybe too low a sodium.

And my carbohydrates stand in not be too high as well, because so I know that that reduces, you know, my kind of water retention as well, or how much water my body will absorb. So I would up your element. You're a pretty big guy. If I recall, you're like your six foot or so, is that correct?

Yeah. What's your body weight? About 210 right now. Yeah, I mean, you're lifting weights. You've got a lot of muscle. You don't need a lot of heavily processed foods. I would definitely go two or three element to pack it today and a little touring

and see if that doesn't help you out. The other thing I noticed, and this happens to my abs too, and part of that for me is I'm really inconsistent with training my abs, and then when I go back to training them, I tend to hop right into like a, I last them kind of. Yeah, I think I overdue it a little bit, and then I always find myself cramping up afterwards.

So it blows my mind how little my body needs when I go reintroduce my ab training because I'm really, that's me. I'm really inconsistent with my abs. It's one of those areas where I know I need to do more of and then I always get on a kick. I start to do it again and then I always kind of overdo it and then I find myself cramping up when I do that. So really easy myself into my ab training. I have to do that and I have a hard time doing that So are you consistent with your ab work or is this like an on-off thing? Yeah, no, I'm consistent with it. I mean, I follow in a ball to a tee

So there's not a there's not a lot of core work in it and maybe it was coming off power lip because you know in power lip There's there's not there's no core work So I really wasn't doing any during power lift obviously. It was getting a lot when I'm doing those big Compound movements, but now that I'm back on an eyeball, I gotta know if that was something that, maybe because I'm doing more direct core work. I was like, sure. Maybe.

And then the other thing is to transition that you're going through. Yeah, and then the other thing is emphasize the stretch when you're doing an exercise like a physical ball curl. That can help and then end the set with a stretch that can help with the cramp as well. I've had ab cramps and they're just other, they're worse. Oh God, I'm sorry.

I usually do dead hounds to kind of get rid of it. Oh yeah. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, because stretching the muscle will do it as well. But yeah, I would up the sodium and try some torine and see if that doesn't help. And you'll notice pretty much right away, like you'll do it in a day or two

and then within that day or two, you should notice an improvement in those things. Okay. And I was using pulse from Mike. So, like, do I should I add more touring on top of that than anything? Yeah. Or I would go touring, but you know, you could go touring after your workout or, you know, on its own, you know, add another. Yeah.

Like, you don't need to add a ton. And I would mess around with it. Like I said, it's probably the probably I would say the sodium is most likely Okay, the biggest difference for sure. Yeah, okay Is there any drinking Andrews or anyone can give you you've been with us for so long. I saw you at the VIP event You've got our sure on you got the no lies. Yeah, you're you know, you got the new program I should it man. Yeah, I've got the new program. I think I have I I've got pretty much got every program and we're on almost everything that you guys have, but I would love to get in the form

just to connect with more folks and just gotta get some stuff out there. You're in, yeah, how'd you say it? We'll put you in there, brother. Awesome. All right, Andrew. Thanks, Andrew. Thanks, guys.

Take care. No problem, man. Of all, I don't know, I could sit here and list all the things that we were told were bad for us that actually turned out to be the opposite. Sodium is one of them. Sodium in cluster. Oh my God.

The reason why sodium was connected to poor health outcomes in studies is because they never really controlled for the fact that people who tend to eat a lot of sodium also ate a lot of heavily processed foods. So you kind of had that connection. Athletes in particular, people working out, people with a lot of muscle. More, you need a lot more food. Well, people who eat clean, the difference between,

I'll never forget, I wish I had this, there was, I saw this infographic one time of like, you know, eating whole foods and salting yourself compared to like eating out one meal. Like one meal of eating out is like, like McDonald's or something right, or a fast food restaurant. The amount of sodium that's in out one meal. Like one meal of eating out is like McDonald's or something right, or a fast food restaurant. The amount of sodium that's in that one meal is more than like somebody who would eat in a week.

I forget what it was, right? I'm probably exaggerating the infographic, but it was dramatic, the difference of one eating out meal versus somebody. So if you cook and make your own food, you probably need to add way more salt than you think to your diet. Yeah, well, I mean, one small fast food meal

is gonna easily, easily have 1200 to 2000 milligrams or more of sodium in that meal, right? Heavenly process meals tend to be very high in sodium. How much sodium, how much salt would you have to eat to hit 2000 milligrams? Maybe Doug could look that up for me, but it's a decent amount, and it's more than you would sprinkle

on your whole natural food, right? So if you don't eat heavily processed foods and you sweat and you work out, you often have to supplement with sodium. That's the thing. You have to actually add, especially if you work out hot temperatures, and then if you add to that,

you eat low carbohydrates, which a lot of people do when they wanna look lean or whatever, which makes you lose more water, you gotta add sodium. And I can say, I feel way better when my sodium is, when I do like three packets a day, that's like 3,000 milligrams of sodium, just in the element that I'll take. Our next color is candy from North Carolina.

Candy, what's happening? How can we help you? Hi guys, thank you so much for having me on today. I hope you guys are doing well. Yeah. Yeah. I'll keep this quick, but I want to thank you guys for having me on the show. I've been listening to you guys for probably a year and a half, two years. And I've been a trainer for over 15 years.

And you guys have made me such a better trainer in the last couple of years. So I really appreciate everything that you guys do. So thank a better trainer in the last couple of years, so I really appreciate everything you guys do. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I want to talk about a little bit about stretching and mobility. So like I said, I've been a trainer for a while and we're always taught, you know, like dynamic, warm up and stretching is always good, kind of pre-workout.

Static stretching is more preferable. Post workout and helps increase blood flow, helps decrease joint pain and all that kind of stuff. You guys all know all the benefits. But I have been hearing a little bit of conflicting information lately regarding post workout stretching. And I've come across a couple of articles that have said now that static stretching post workout can actually decrease blood flow and deprive the muscle of oxygen and could possibly hinder performance in some way. So I wanted to get your opinion on this because I've been hearing it a little bit more throughout

the fitness community and it's kind of conflicting information. So I wanted to hear your thoughts on this. Well it could hinder performance temporarily. So I can get behind that. Yeah, you don't want a static stretch and they go do something. Right. So yeah, right temporarily, the static stretch, let's say you were getting ready to go do something else explosive or athletically. So yes, it would decrease muscle tension for that. Yeah, it would decrease performance there. But as far as recovery,

yeah, I'm going to, so, okay, so let's talk about the blood flow oxygen aspect of it, okay? So are you familiar with blood flow restrictive training? Not particularly now. Okay, so this has been a therapy technique and we've been, now studies are showing that builds muscle and it simulates lifting heavier weights. So essentially, if I was going to work out my arm, what I would do is I would use like a knee wrap and I would kind of tie off the top of my arm and restrict blood flow. And when I do exercises with that arm, it would fatigue

very quickly with very lightweight and it simulates lifting heavier weight mainly because it restricts blood flow and oxygen. And so what it does is it makes the light weight almost like it's heavy weight and it activates those fast twitch muscle fibers. Okay, more oxygen, less oxygen depends on what we're looking for. If I, when you do a deep static stretch of a pump muscle, it definitely burns. It definitely hurts. If you've ever done this on your quads, after getting your quads really pumped from squats, you know holding a 60 second stretch can feel like hell.

I think it's similar to blood flow restrictive type training. So in a stretch, because the muscles being stretched, you are squeezing blood out of the muscle and somewhat probably feeling the burn because you're restricting the removal of waste similar to like what I said with blood flow, restrictive training. Is that going to contribute to muscle growth? I believe so.

In fact, bodybuilders and strength athletes have been doing techniques like this for decades and anecdotally they've noticed great results. I notice great results from doing this and there's animal studies that show something quite similar. Now, here's the real benefit, I think. I like static stretching to increase range of motion and also to induce a parasympathetic state. So after your workout, you don't want to be hyped, you want to kind of be relaxed. Static stretching tends to induce that. And I think the benefits mainly would come from something like that. So I like doing static stretching post work. I like doing it with clients, especially on muscles that tend to be tight.

I have never really noticed a dramatic difference one way or the other. Except for the fact that it makes the person kind of feel better after the stretch is over. So, and I don't like to discredit that, you know, that the way people feel that, you know, maybe that subjective feeling of doing the stretching after work out. We like to tend to do that in the fitness space. Well, well, this study show blah, blah, blah, look, I don't care. The client likes the way it feels. They feel more relaxed afterwards. And that's that, you know, that...

Well, talk about the benefits, too, of getting into that state before you go, what does everybody do after they work out? They go eat. Yeah, that's the same thing, parasympathetic. Yeah, so important to get them in that state before they go eat, too. So that's, there's benefits there. It sparks the recovery process. That's right.

And then as far as, you know, reducing delayed onset muscle soreness or making soreness go away, soreness is interesting. It will often tell us you did too much, but it doesn't necessarily tell us if it goes away that you're not overtraining. There's lots of people who over train and don't really get sore. They just work out a lot all the time. I've done it myself. I've done double split routines where I've been doing tons of volume, not really getting sore, but I clearly was overtraining.

So the soreness itself can tell us some stuff but it didn't tell us everything. So when we look at studies and we say, oh, massage therapy doesn't reduce soreness, therefore it doesn't accelerate recovery. Well, I don't know. I don't know about that. Especially for, you know,

we're discrediting that subjective feeling that the person gets from stuff like this. There's a lot of benefits to it for different reasons. And I just to give you an example of one, if I'm doing heavy squats, for instance, and then I know that I have a long commute in my car afterwards. And to be able to get in that parasympathetic state,

but also to unlock my body from that tense state of like all of my muscle still in that firing tense shortened position. I want to unlock that so that way I'm not feeling that reiterating as I'm sitting in that locked position which then when I get home I feel like pain as a result of that. So for me to have that freedom of movement is beneficial on top of that and the static stretch and actually provides that for me after the workout. Candy, I'd like to see these studies too.

Yeah, are you in our forum, Candy? No, I'm not. We're gonna put you in our forum then. So this is a type of great stuff to drop in our forum. Like, hey, I came across a study or here's somebody saying this on Instagram and you post and share in our private forum. And then there's lots of trainers in there

and lots of great discussion around stuff like this. Yeah, studies are really interesting too. We gotta be careful with, because sometimes the headlines will take, oh, the headlines says this. Sensationalize it. Yeah, so. I guess I should say it's more,

like I've been coming across articles that have been talking about it, not I haven't been able to find like a scientific study that has proven one way or the other, but it's more, you know, these PhDs coming out with, you know, athletes stretching versus regular people stretching, so forth, so forth. That's okay. Share the article, even an article. It's not provoking in here, right?

Yeah, and good conversation. Yeah, and I'd like to, you know, again, I'd like to, in some times, in order to get traction, one of the most effective ways to do it is to counter what everybody believes to be common knowledge. So if everybody thinks, you know, stretching after your workout is good for you, and someone says, hey, it may not be, they tend to get more traction. Yeah. So if everybody thinks stretching after your workout is good for you and someone says, Hey, it may not be they tend to get more traction. And then there's lots of speculation involved. And I'm not saying that's what's happening.

I like to read the articles myself. And I'm always open to having my mind change. But anecdotally, my experience with my clients are lasting. And they're almost. And they're almost always seems to be an exception to the rule. Right. Maybe there is a specific person where it's like, Oh, yeah, no, that type of person I would not do that with. So, I mean, that also comes into play too.

Yeah, I'd love to see the article. Yeah, please post them in the forum. Okay. I will. Thank you, Candy. Awesome. Thank you, guys. I appreciate it. Appreciate it. Yeah, just give an example. M. Tor, a mammalian target, Rapa, my son.

This is a signaler of muscle growth. We know this. Also, we'll drive cancer growth. So depending on the context, it's great or it's bad. If you have cancer, we don't want to spike MTOR. If you don't have cancer, we love having high MTOR. It makes you healthier, it makes you stronger, improves insulin sensitivity.

So you'll see studies or articles of people speculating and saying things like high protein diet may not be good for cancer because high protein raises mTOR. Well, cancer fuels off of protein and carbohydrates and sometimes fats. In a pro-cancer environment, an environment where we have cancer, the rules change.

So we have to be very careful when we read some of these articles and how they try to extrapolate and then speculate on kind of what's going on. So I'm very interested to see what these, you know, what these articles say. Yeah, me too. I mean, I think it's so common in our space. And at the great point you made,

I think there's not a lot of new, great cutting edge stuff that's coming out. So this is what we tend to do. We tend to take something. We've been in metal with some of the staples that people do in their rituals. Yeah, no. And it's to get attention and traction

because then people are like, what? And then, I mean, if it sparks a good conversation, I'm all for it. And there are a lot of exceptions to the rule with a lot of different studies, where you're like, yeah, in this case, it does apply. I love using deep tissue massages or massages, an example. Do you know how many studies there are

that are out there that say, massage does not help with recovery? And you know what, nobody believes it, because most people have gotten massages, and most people have felt the difference. And maybe it's a psychological, emotional phenomenon when you're getting touched and massaged and you relax and maybe that's what helps it.

Maybe it's subjective, really doesn't matter because they have the studies I show it and everybody's like, no, I've experienced it. There's something more to this. And I guarantee later on, there will be studies that will prove kind of what people's, what most people's experiences are. So we have to kind of be careful with this kind of stuff.

It takes a lot with these studies to talk me out of things at work and I've seen work with my clients. Yeah. Our next caller is Neil from North Carolina. What's up, Neil? How can we help you? How's it going, guys?

Appreciate you guys taking the call. So long story short, I'm a career firefighter here in North Carolina looking for ways and some advice to train to continue to get stronger and bigger, which is a goal of mine, but to also find the ways to recover, to avoid injuries. A lot of guys that I work with either get to retirement and everything hurts because I've done 30 years of doing hard work. Or there's guys that buy steps all the time or they're tearing Achilles and stuff like that.

So just trying to find ways to continue lifting hard, continue lifting heavy, but to do it correctly and safely and recover well and to be able to stay away from those injuries. Yeah, good question. I have a friend that I just made recently as a firefighter. What's your schedule look like? Are you like two on two off, four on? So we do what we do is we call it a modified LA. It comes down to 10, 24 hours shifts a month. You only work the 24 hours at a time and then you're often anywhere from one day to time to two days in a row or four days in a row. Okay. This is by the way, this is one of the main reasons why a lot of your your co-workers feel so beat up afterwards. It's that schedule of 24 hours, where I really, really has a detrimental effect over time

on recovery and health and all that stuff. Plus, your job can be very physical, of course, and then you want to work out on top of that. So, you're going to have to have a completely different approach than most people. I know your goal is to build muscles so you think that you should be focused mostly on building muscle, but the reality is you should be focused mostly on recovery. And through that process, you'll build more muscle. So when you look at your workouts, you should have, you know, you'll have one or two workouts where you go to build muscle, but then the majority of time that you're training your body, because you're, I mean, you're working all your long. It's not like you have an in-season and off-season like an athlete.

In fact, if you look at athletes, if you look at athletes in-season, a majority of their training is focused on recovery. All of it is. Yeah, it's not focused on improving or maximizing performance. So if you were, if it looked like this, let's say it was like 70% recovery-based, 30%

getting your body to progress based, something like that. You would actually progress faster as a result versus the flip, which is most people do. Most people would go, 70% I'm building and I'll do a 30% recovery type of stuff. Flip that on its head and what you'll find is your body will actually respond really well.

No, we did it actually. Did you know we did an episode dedicated you guys Maybe Why it might have been an episode that I missed but you we did it not we did an episode How long ago is that Doug maybe six months to eight months ago? Maybe a year? Yeah, it was it's been a year Yeah, it was it was called first responders You know, so please I'm gonna look it up here. Yeah, I have Doug look it up right now But we go really deep into what Sal's talking about right now when he broke down like scheduling and how we would kind of break up. What is it done? 1487 episode 1487. Yeah, make sure you listen to that because

we go a little bit deeper into that and give more examples of like what training would look like, but I mean, I think Sal hit it perfect. Like, I don't know how, how hard you're training right now, but really one to two days a week is all I'd be really focused on like a MAPSANabolic or even a MAPS performance type of a program for your foundation days. And then the rest of your training really is more recovery-based mobility, stretching, meditation, like just that type of work to try and complement your heavy load that you have as far as your scheduling.

Okay, cool, because so like for me right now, so you know, I've grown up in the gym, played sports my whole life. It was a division one athlete for a couple of years. So I've always been in the weight room, it's always been my getaway stuff like that. So for me right now, probably the last two years or so, I've done the five, three, one,

lifting schedule, so I always go in,31. Lifting schedule is always going. I'll do my heavy compound lift and then everything else is usually auxiliary. Just kind of whatever I'm feeling for the day. And then I always make sure to have at least one day where I don't touch a weight. You know, I'm eating well that day. I'm resting. I'm napping if I need it. Stuff like that. So it makes total sense to have kind of more recovery, especially like

yesterday I was on shift. We had a call at two in the morning. I wasn't back in bed till like four a.m. something like that. I'm miss this. I would rather see like a full body routine on one day. And the day that I would do it with you would be based on your schedule, right? So I'd want I'd want to wait until you had a nice full day of rest and recovery for maybe one of your shifts. And then the first day you're feeling really fresh and good, we go in there and we do like a really good

intense full body routine. And then say you have another day after that, then maybe we do some light auxiliary stuff and maybe mobility stuff. And then you're getting ready to get ready for another shift or whatever. And we're either gonna take the day off or we're gonna stick to mobility time. I'm gonna guess, I we're either going to take the day off or we're going to stick to mobility time.

I'm going to guess, I'm going to make a guess here, Neil, that just based off your background. You probably, the reason why you're calling and asking this question is you're probably already starting to feel some of the stuff you're talking about, where you're kind of plateauing, feeling a little burnt out, a little bit. Okay. So one of the challenges with, especially high level athletes or X high level athletes is that they don't train optimally, they train, they push to what they can handle. There's a difference there. There's optimal, which

will get your body to progress, and then there's how much you can handle. And athletes tend to go to the what they can handle route. And then if you do that long enough, it starts to really wear down on your body. So like, to give you an example of what I mean by recovery, if you like the gym and it's a great place for you to go and relax, literally you could go in there and do exercises for body parts at really low intensity and just stretch and squeeze and get a little bit of a pump. Like I'm talking like 40%, 50% intensity.

That's a recovery workout, okay? So you can go in there and do stuff, but you're just kind of moving and practicing and getting a pump. And then once a man's are good for this too. Oh yeah, it's low damage. Stuff that has low damage, low intensity, low to moderate intensity, body weight, you know, just as long as you're moving and getting blood circulation and working on the active recovery, that's going to be the best. And then what's going to blow you away is you're gonna get stronger. That one day that you go and you can actually do a full body workout

where you push it a little bit, you'll notice, oh man, I'm actually getting stronger. Neil, do you have maps performance? I do not. Okay. I've looked into it in the past, but I've never actually got. All right, well, I'm gonna have Doug send you maps performance. I would love to see you follow one day a week with the foundational program. And then your other days of the week, you can

either do it south saying where you kind of go in and do like just a low kind of pumping workout, auxiliary arm, shoulders, you know, maybe machinework or bands like just saying on your other days. So in maps performance, you have three foundational days, and then we have what are called mobility days. I would choose just one of those foundational workouts a week, and then I would definitely do at least one or two of the mobility days on other days, and then if you wanted to add some of the kind of pumping exercises that's sourced,

I would do that on your on the mobile, because mobility will probably take you, I don't know, 20, 30 minutes probably, to do the mobility exercises. You could go the rest of the time do some of the light, light work that's sourcing and I bet you'll see some great results. Awesome. Yeah, sounds great because my other goal too right now with gaining that size and strength

is always been a hard gainer, which, you know, a part of me is upset with it, part of me is not because, you know, it's genetics. But I would love to get, you know, like another 10 pounds or so on because right now I'm about 6162, 195. I would love to sit at like 200, 205. So being able to put that on as well, which I think, you know, the recovery and everything will help with that. I don't be surprised.

I do not be, I know where you're going right now. I do not be surprised because you've, you've fallen right. You've fallen right. You fall right in the category of Salon. I right here. Right. So do not be surprised on the less less intensity, less work, less is more man. It seems count. Breaking you through your plateau. I mean, this is definitely the what the trap for a lot of athletes is to Sal's earlier point. You do what you can handle, not what is optimal and what blows guys minds like yours and mine when it happened to me was all of a sudden I dramatically reduced how much training I was doing and my body started to grow.

So this might be you, dude, and it might be really difficult. So the mental game is going to be tough, bro, for you, if you know, you can, you know, you can do more, but we're telling you like just do that and trust the process and then get back to us and then we'll go from there. Yeah, absolutely. So basically check the ego at the doors, what you tell us. Yes, always. Yes, always.

Yes. Cool. So basically right now, you know, follow what you guys are going to send me and then kind of stay away from those heavier compound lifts like I've been doing for the last year or two. Well, you got that in okay, match performance has heavy compound lifts. That's on your foundation day. That's on your foundation day. You're just doing one of those a week. Yeah. The rest of the time you do the okay. The rest of the time you're doing mobility, the mobility sessions that are performance and or very light pumping exercises just to kind of get a little bit of pump in in the body But that's it

Awesome, I'm tracking. I'm tracking. I feel you guys all right. All right, Neil. Thanks Neil Appreciate you guys next for everything you guys do Yeah, yeah, I mean how many times did you have to learn this lesson at them? Oh, as soon as he said what he said That I was like oh Margator huh. Yeah, I thought same thing too. I was just doing too much. I did this when I was, when I started competing in Jiu-Jitsu,

I was like, I did Jiu-Jitsu three or four days a week, and then I did three days a week of strength training. I said, oh, this is good. You know, six days a week, I have a day off or whatever, and I was just not feeling good, not feeling good. And at one point, I said, you know, I'm gonna treat myself like a client, because I'm always better with my clients than I went myself.

I literally went down to one day a week of strength training and it was four or five compound lifts. That's it. No isolation, nothing. My strength went through the roof and my performance improved dramatically from cutting all that back. And I mean, firefighters, their schedules are crap. Like, they go 24 hours.

You ain't sleeping, you know, two or three days a week. Like, they go 24 hours, you ain't sleeping, you know, two, three days a week, like you're very hampered with your recovery. It's very challenging. So you just keep throwing more stress on top of your body. And I know that's, you know, athletes do adjust and I guarantee you can attest to this. Athletes don't do what's optimal.

They go as much as they can get away with it. No, because it's all about the mental, like discipline, the fortitude. I can get through this because whatever challenge you place in front of me, I'm gonna overcome it. Well, you've been trained that way. And if he was a D1 athlete,

I mean, he's got eight probably plus years, minimum. Of that conditioning. Oh yeah, conditioning his mind and training that way. It's hard not to apply that. So give me a couple of years to get rid of that kind of thing. I mean, I still think that, I mean, you hear me on the show always, I've been talking a lot about like, oh man, one of the things I notice is, as I've gotten older, how much easier it is, like how little work I have to do. I think part of that is the time I'm an iron that I talk about.

I think the other part of that is I'm closer to doing what I was supposed to be doing for my body versus what I've been trying to do. Wisdom is kicking in finally. It's like, it's crazy how much less you have to do. And of course, it's who I'm speaking to, right? So if I'm talking to an athlete, this is what the conversation sounds like. And I'm talking to somebody who has a really hard time getting off the couch. They never train, they never exercise a different conversation.

But for a D1 athlete, you know, go get your tire fighter. Yeah, man, like this is probably, you're probably just really always wants to get after. Yeah, overdoing it. And it's going to be hard for him. It's going to be hard for him to only do one foundational day a week and then go to the gym and be like, I feel good. I could do more. So we'll see how he does. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy, and maximize your overall performance,

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