Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1851: When Fasting is Making You Fat, Overcoming Back Pain When Deadlifting, How to Know When to Fire Your Trainer & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: July 6, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: The good news is scientists keep getting closer to designing exercise in a pill. The bad news is you’re not going to get nearly the same benefits you get from exercise! (3:33) The fascinating way people use the suicide hotline. (14:40) The power of saying NO. (16:50) How your body keeps the score. (18:29) The advantage of using tactical empathy. (21:40) The differences between basketball sneakers over the decades. (23:30) If I had Magic Spoon as a kid... (33:04) The unintended consequences of government mandates. (36:41) What is cannabis NOT good for?! (42:25) Raving over super athletes. (46:23) #ListenerLive question #1 - Does my body absorb and use all of the nutrients the same way it would if I were to eat 3-4 meals a day over an 8–10-hour window as opposed to what I’m doing now? (53:53) #ListenerLive question #2 - What are your opinions on different deadlift variations, specifically conventional, trap bar, or sumo? Is one form safer than the other, and will I get the same benefits from using one variation over the other? (1:07:39) #ListenerLive question #3 - Should I fire my trainer? She keeps adding weight to the bar and giving me heavy weights that I can’t lift. (1:22:58) #ListenerLive question #4 - How important, as a trainer, is it to track your clients' workouts? (1:37:01) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Visit Magic Spoon for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit NED for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! July Promotion: RGB Bundle or MAPS Suspension 50% off! **Promo code JULY50 at checkout** The benefits of exercise in a pill? Science is closer to that goal Mind Pump #1495 The Science Of Happiness With Arthur C. Brooks Never Split the Difference: Negotiating As If Your Life Depended On It – Book by Chris Voss Thinking, Fast and Slow – Book by Daniel Kahneman The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma – Book by Bessel van der Kolk M.D. Born to Run: A Hidden Tribe, Superathletes, and the Greatest Race the World Has Never Seen MindPump Co-Host Justin Andrews Talks High School Football Training w/ Joe D! Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer! Mandating Low-Nicotine Cigarettes Could Make Smoking More Dangerous Thank You for Smoking (2005) - IMDb Cannabinoids Block Cellular Entry of SARS-CoV-2 and the Emerging Variants When Brock Lesnar Tried Out for NFL Side Minnesota Vikings WWE & UFC Star Brock Lesnar Preseason Highlights (2004) | NFL You Don't Know Bo - ESPN Films: 30 for 30 Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout** Mind Pump #1052: Why Fasting May Be Making You Fat Mind Pump #1780: Why Blood Tests Are Overrated With Dr. Stephen Cabral MAPS Fitness Anabolic MAPS Symmetry MAPS Prime Webinar Improve Your Overhead Press & Build Your Shoulders with Unilateral Kettlebell Carries – Mind Pump TV Mind Pump #1622: Nine Signs Your Trainer Sucks How Do I Choose The Right Weight? (LIFT RESPONSIBLY) - Mind Pump TV Prime Bundle Mind Pump Clips - YouTube Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Tim Kennedy (@timkennedymma)  Instagram Paul J. Fabritz (@pjfperformance)  Instagram Joe DeFranco (@defrancosgym)  Instagram Max Lugavere (@maxlugavere)  Instagram Dr. Stephen Cabral (@stephencabral)  Instagram

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Scientists keep getting closer to designing exercise in a pill. Here's the bad news. You're not going to get nearly the same benefits you get from exercise Even if the pill makes you fitter leaner and stronger So I wanted to bring this up because I just read an article that they keep getting closer to a literal burpee A drug that you take that can elicit the adaptation responses in the body that Exercise does now they're only testing on animals, but it's pretty remarkable.

However, I want people to, I don't want people to get excited, too excited, because when you look at the benefits, the list of the benefits of exercise, only a fraction of them will be accomplished with a pill. Even if it gives you all the physical benefits. I don't even think we're gonna get there. Do you really believe we're gonna get there?

I don't think so. Because the complexity of that is insane. You're, I mean, think of the, think of the most incredible pharmaceutical drugs that are out there right now that aid in building muscle or burning calories and speeding, or end-or simulating, speeding the metabolism up. And even those are, they're not magical.

I mean, you think of the Climbutraels, the Anabolic steroids, like you take those, you think of the climbutraels, the anabolic steroids. Like, you take those, you could take copious amounts of those and it doesn't guarantee you get fit. You still have to put the world. The only way you get strong is through the struggle. Yeah. And how do you get strong by eliminating all the struggles? Well, and food. So food plays obviously a massive role with it. Plus the actual stimulus of the exercise, right?

So how do you even... So I think they'll eventually be able to mimic the stimulus, but they'll never be able to mimic with a pill because why? Because it is a signaling process and they will. Look, they are going to eventually... Well, that's what they say. They say the sauna emulates, right? It's like some very low form of exercise.

But it's still... It's still re-temperature. But it still requires you go in and kind of go through it and all that stuff. And it's all still really minimal. Just like I was talking about like the, the computer all is in anabolic steroids. Though, that makes a big difference, right? Someone utilizing things like that with exercise and diet,

but you, it's still really small in comparison to the diet and exercise part. Yeah, no, it'll get, it'll get, I think it'll get there. I think they're gonna identify all the signaling processes that get the physical adaptations, the physiological physical adaptations, but what they won't do, and here's the complexity part that you're talking about,

what they're not gonna get, because if you look at the list of benefits that exercise provides, look at the mental and emotional and psychological benefits. There are some physical reasons why or physiological reasons why you may get that like endorphin release and better dopamine and serotonin, all great. However, the big chunk of the reason why you feel so much better is the struggle. Yeah, and it's empowering and I'm doing something and it's working and then

I can't, oh, this isn't working, let me figure it out, let me do it again, it's that growth process. You can overcome challenges. You are not gonna be able to mimic that with a pill, it's just not gonna happen. Pro based off of that, it's a very scary thought that we could even potentially. You're right, because people are gonna think.

I mean, imagine what we're seeing right now with the rise of depression and suicide right now. Imagine if everybody could just take that pill and have that and think that that was going to provide happiness for them, how much worse it would be. To me, it looks just like this, like a science fiction movie where you're in this pod and you have like electro-stimulus

to keep your muscles basically stimulates. So that way, let's say we're just now logged in to the metaverse. And so now everything's in there. And I took this pill and so like it's regulating, you know, body fat, giving me stimulus when I need it for my muscles. Like you could literally just be...

So now that seems more realistic to me, paired with your idea of a pill that actually, if you actually were to hook into something that is like stimulating the muscles while you take like this pill. Yeah, muscle stimulated. You're still not gonna get what I said? No, no, no, no, of course,

but I mean, I still couldn't wrap my brain around a pill you take in your mouth and all of a sudden you build muscle or you tread down body fat like without some sort of like external stimulus. Yeah. Where if Justin's point is like looking into a pod that you get this like stimulus and then you're also getting the pill.

Yeah, I don't passively receiving this kind of like any wake up just Jack. Yeah, I don't, I don't, It's got a cool muscle. I don't think the calorie, I don't think you're gonna take a pill and then your body's gonna burn more calories but I do think that the pill can stimulate the responses to do things like speed of the metabolism,

lower your appetite. You know, here's a deal. Yeah, but you can simulate good feelings or you could get good feelings from drugs too. You could take a drug and feel, oh my God, I feel so good, is that the same thing as, let's say, a spiritual practice or being with your kids and experiencing joy that way?

It's not. So you can mimic the feelings of love with drugs. same thing as let's say a spiritual practice or being with your kids and experiencing joy that way. It's not. So you can mimic the feelings of love with drugs. You could take a drug and make you feel the feelings of love. Is it the same thing? Well, yeah. So you take a drug that get mimics you potentially building up, but you don't actually build or burn.

So, I mean, the idea that you're going to have something that you could take and then it will actually build muscle. I just can't, I don't see that. Not without some sort of external stimulus. Yeah, I think they'll be able to do it that, but I don't think they'll never be able to get you to actually go through the process or to figure that part out with a pill,

because that's the only way that it'll work. You have to go through the process, unless we like the matrix where I can plug my brain into something and then learn things and figure it out. It's going to go against our makeup, our genetic makeup, our wiring, our drive to move and to be this sort of like machine. I think that there's going to be a lot of advancements.

I was looking into the exoskeletons and everything else. We're already building these attachments to kind of take replace limb strength. So who knows if we even, there's gonna be people that don't really care about being strong or having an able body because we could just end up making it. Okay, so do you lean more towards

that we're gonna go in that direction where people have all these mechanical parts in your half human half robot or that we're going to plug into a metaverse because they're totally different. Yeah. Or do you think they're both kind of like, I think it's probably a combination of the two. I'm convinced it's the plug in because it solves the fat loss body image stuff. If you go plugged into a virtual and you can create this character who can basically go around and do all the things that you could do in real life, you know, I think that's more likely to happen than us getting to the science of a pill that actually, because you won't care about that anymore.

It'll solve the look's aspect of it, but not the health part. Are you still going to be on that side? No, I'm not talking about solving a problem. I'm talking about what we're more likely to go towards and what people are going to gravitate towards. I think the, I think where we're moving with the metaverse is more likely to happen sooner and faster for people than the pill that you're alluding to right now. I think so and by the time you get into the metaverse and you no longer interact with people in real life anymore, who gives a fuck if you're a hundred pounds over weight because your avatar looks the way you want it.

Well, they'll care just because they're helpful. We bad. Well, here's what I think should have. What? What? Yeah. What? Who cares? Who cares that their health is bad? Do you know they take this? I just feel like she just read this crazy statistic. This is fascinating to me. Okay, people that go in and have like, like, like almost die

from like a heart attack or like something that they could and they it's induced because of You know poor diet like exercise and the doctor says there's there's no nothing that can solve this other than changing your Habits and behaviors. You know what percentage do it's still very small. Yeah 90% don't change. Yeah, that's crazy They know bro. They almost died. That's the epiphany part that people wait for. They wait for an epiphany, but epiphany don't even happen when people literally almost die. Yes, kill someone. Yes, kill someone.

There's drunk, there's alcoholics who will crash into someone, kill them, come out of jail, whatever, and still become alcoholics. So yeah, waiting for an epiphany is not going to work. And we talk about this on the show all the time. There's a process of developing behaviors and discipline. It's a learning process. And it takes a while. And no pills going to do that.

And then as far as metaverse kind of stuff is concerned, I think, you know what's interesting, when you look at the science on happiness, like real happiness, joy and contentment and purpose, struggle is a very important part of it. And there are lots of pieces that don't make sense. Like, why would challenge and struggle and hardship be a part of having to be happy?

Well, you know, figure that out, right? It forces purpose. It forces purpose. I think so. It forces purpose. I think so. If there's struggle, it forces you to have to overcome and that in itself gives you purpose.

And that's soft. Purpose to live. People don't want that. They don't want that. But it's better than being purposeless. Oh, I agree. It's better than then floating around with no purpose whatsoever

because everything is so easy and you don't need purpose. The fact that you have to overcome struggle forces us into it. You know what's funny is that, I mean, from an evolutionary standpoint, of course you could go to spiritual standpoint, right? We're all meant to grow and that's part of growth.

And then there's the evolutionary standpoint, which is we evolved to gain purpose from challenge and struggle because it was so a part of nature. Like there's no way to avoid challenge and struggle. So we evolved to find purpose in it so that it became a part of who we were. So as we continue to modify our environments

with technology and whatever, make things easier and easier and easier, that part of us is still there. I always think it's interesting that you just did something that I think is always really funny to me that people do is this need that we need to separate evolution and spiritual.

Like why can't what you just say be both? I agree. It's, but it really is to make one half of the group feel good and the other half feel good. I agree. It's like,'s, but it really is to make one half of the group feel good and the other half feel good. I agree. It's like, what are the possibilities of both? I know, I totally agree.

I think it's so wild. And here's why I agree with that because what we're learning right now is that we can't eliminate struggle and challenge possible. We can solve every problem. And you don't, if people are like, oh, that's not true. Look at this suicide rate among wealthy, popular celebrities. People who have everything that you think that you want,

sex drugs and fame and love and, you know, or the power to not do all those things because there's people going like, well, that's not happiness, sex, drugs, but they also have the power and the flexibility to not have all that stuff around too. So. It's interesting, it's like that, you know,

it's funny. The movie The Matrix was so, it's so embroiled in very interesting philosophy, like the scene where they're breaking into Morpheus's mind when he's in The Matrix and he's in that chair. And Agent Smith says, you know, with the first matrix that we designed was a perfect utopia, but your feeble human mind couldn't accept it.

We lost whole crops. So we had to mimic the 90s of your civilization or whatever so that you guys could accept it or whatever. And I thought, wow, that is brilliant because that's exactly what happened. That was exactly what I think would happen if we, you know, we're just going to... The unfortunate part, though, is I think that we're still so drawn to having things easier. You know, I'm listening to this book. I thought it was really interesting stat

to that you guys would find. So this book's called Never Spilt a Difference and it's about an FBI negotiator and like just the negotiating tactics and stuff like that. It's really interesting. One of the things they do is they, they, what a stressful job.

Oh my God. You're doing that? No. And to get into like the FBI schooling, you have to first do like, well, they don't have to, they recommend that you do like a suicide hotline first. And so that's good training, I guess.

Oh, of course. Because they're told that you have 20 minutes or less because if you take any longer than that, you're not doing your job. Like you're just, it's dragging on. So your goal is actually obviously to help these people then move on. But one of the things I thought was interesting

and it fits into the metaverse talk, is the percentage of people that call in the suicide hotline, what percentage of them do you think are actually suicidal? Like actually suicidal? Yeah, it's a suicide hotline. I'd say like 5%. No, come on bro, it's a suicide hotline. Oh, well then I'm gonna go,

I'm gonna go 40% Like actually gonna carry through,, it's a suicide hotline. Oh, well, then I'm going to go, I'm going to go 40 actually going to carry. Yeah, it's 40. It's 40. It's 40%. So what are the 60% 60% are just energy vampires. Yeah. And they, in fact, they have rules that they can only call once a day because people call every day because they want a free person to talk to a free person who by the way has got

some professional negotiating skills to as tactical empathy knows how to talk. It's a free person who by the way, has got some professional negotiating skills to that's tactical empathy, knows how to talk to you really well. And so they get this rewarding feeling from talking and engaging and interacting with someone because they're probably socially awkward and depressed and scared to be out in the real world. So they call in and 60 person these people that way. That are just, they just want to talk to the,

wow. Somebody that really actively listening, you know, that's a huge thing that is a need for a lot of people. I couldn't, there's a deficit there. I couldn't imagine testing that out either. Hey, hello, Suicide Island. Yeah, no, I don't want to come to Suicide, but you know, I just had an argument with my wife and, you know, so I just, what do you think?

Oh, you think you should write on my right? In the book it talks about how common is the people will be like, yeah, this is Chris and I haven't used my one time of calling today. I mean, they're so... Wow, I didn't know that. I either did not. I thought it was so fast. I thought you guys would thought that was interesting. That is really, really interesting.

I know, isn't it? Well, here's another one that's really interesting. Okay. What have we been taught? All of our years of sales experience, and I think that everybody in here is pretty good at this. What are you taught to get a lot of, right? To get people to buy or to... Information.

No, no, no. what else? What's the what? Yes. Thank you, does. Yes, no is a better strategy. Fucking think about that for a second. Cause you want them to say no to suicide, maybe. Well, no, forget suicide. What are most sales? Oh, in sales in general, the power of allowing somebody to say no, leaves them in control of the conversation still, getting a quick, they're driving, getting a quick yes many times

can completely be a false yes, a counterfeit yes. Okay, because I know what that feels like. You totally do. And I know if you heard, you're getting pushed into it. If you heard the way he explains actually going after a no, you go. And this is in the book. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, what's he called again? Never split the difference. Interesting. And his, a lot book. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's it called again? Never split the difference. Interesting. And his, a lot of what's really interesting is, I talked about this book, another book last year, something like that. I think I told you guys about it. Daniel Kainman, or Coniman,

I don't know how to pronounce his last name. He's a Nobel Prize winning economist, behavioral psychologist, who wrote, thinking fast and slow. He won his Nobel Prize off of the learning about how that I told you guys how the brain has two different ways of thinking or like the faster slow. The faster.

Yeah, faster, no faster slow. Oh right, right. The way you, your animal instinct is your fast and then your slow is your more cognitive and critical thinking. A lot of the theories and everything that is this book is based off of come came from that research. So it was, and I found that out later of being in fact. Dude, you just reminded me of, so I everything that is this book is based off of, come came from that research. So I was, and I found that out later of being in time.

Dude, you just reminded me of, so I've been reading a book. I'm only maybe a third of the way, or fourth of the way through, but it's called The Body Keeps the Score. It's a heavy book. It's about trauma and PTSD and how it affects the brain and the body and how these memories are stored in the body.

Why it's so hard to process them. But in the beginning, it kind of goes through the history, which a lot of this came from, a lot of the study on this originated with soldiers returning from war. And you know, it wasn't until the 1970s that they even came up with the term PTSD. So soldiers would come back from War I, War II, and they weren't treating them. At all properly, in fact, oftentimes they were kind of... Right, because I mean, they only had... They only had one. It was like shell shock. Was that World War I?

World War I, yeah, because they were in the trenches and they'd constantly get bombed, and so they'd get the ground would shake, and they didn't know when the next one was coming. Yeah. They'd get tremors. They'd get tremors all the time. They'd call that shell shock.

Really heavy, but fascinating book. Like, one thing that he talks about in there about with soldiers, which I've heard this before, but he tells a specific story. As he says, you know, most people think that soldiers will suffer from PTSD from seeing like terrible things that happen around them, like their buddies get shot, or they almost die,

they lose a limb. I told you. And he goes, that's a part of it. He goes, but another part of it, the part that's very challenging to overcome. That's what you did. Is what the soldier does in war, and how they can't reconcile it with who they are.

So he tells a story of this guy in Vietnam, where, you know, Vietnam was a really tough war because we didn't have a clear, necessarily, line or enemy, and they would go on on patrols constantly and the enemies often look like villagers and you don't know what the anyway this guy is going through and he tells the story how this guy was like a football captain, valedictorian like great attitude, joined the military because his dad and his grandfather and his great grandfather were always in the military and he's on this patrol they get ambush and loses all his friends, they all die.

So he literally, I think the day or two after, is so filled with anger and vengeance, he goes out and just terrorizes and kills a village. And that's what torments him. As he can't reconcile what he did in that state. And the guy says that it's so hard that some of these guys don't even remember it or can't remember it, it's so painful

that it's literally, it's been compartmentalized in place. But the problem is- Can't process that you'd be capable of something. And the problem is it's stored, that memory, that pain, or whatever stored in the body. So you're, you're, you know, he'll be talking to his kids and then he'll just fly into a rage. And doesn't connect it to,

couldn't figure out why he was temper, was the way it was or why he can't sleep at night. So crazy. To the super sad, like, I mean, I was a sentim Kennedy podcast. He was talking about like how under reported these suicides are, you know, with people coming back. And it's to the point where it's so many that like they don't want those numbers really to,

they don't want to alarm everybody. You know, more soldiers die from suicide than from war right now. Yeah. Yeah. So it's so sad. Yeah, it is. It's brutal. It's crazy. You know, you talk about anger. You just reminded me of something else that was in the book that I thought was really fascinating

that was counterintuitive too, is that when you encounter somebody in sales in general or in conversation, right, that is just came off of like a fight or an argument or that there is actually a lot of power in your negotiating and your ability to close them than if they were just in a normal mood. So, which is what we would counter what we would believe. Like, if you just had somebody who had a lot of, like, they were fighting or arguing so with that, like, so bad mood. Yeah, bad mood, right?

I don't want to walk in and try and scold it, but there's actually, there's an advantage for you actually in that situation. And that's because of using tactical empathy, knowing that they are that way, they subconsciously are actually looking for someone to be empathetic to what they just went through. Although there's very sensitive, so what you say and how you approach them

is very important because if you go in there and you add to that stress, then it ends up blowing up. Which is why we've always thought to avoid that situation. That's not the time to go in and try and get some to buy or do something. But if you do a really good job of actually un-listening and understanding and being empathetic to what they just went through and disarm them, then you actually have a advantage. I feel like that's where I got all my lifers that you throw at me.

Totally. It's like, I was the most difficult person like causing a total scene in that of me. I'm like, hey, I got one for you. It's true. I mean, sometimes those people, they just want to be heard. Of course. And if you can do a good job of doing that,

you disarm them. And then now you have this huge, actually advantage in the art of persuasion and the conversation. Just like I totally understand what, you know, you have a terrible relationship with your daughter. That's really sad. And, you know, speaking of which, exercise is a really good way to solve that,

which is why 20 sessions is 20 sessions. So we'll get you set up. We'll get you set up. Great deal. 10% off. Dude, so I wanted to talk about, you're gonna be so excited right now Adam. Oh my God.

This is a topic you really love. What's about sneakers? Ten inches. Flets? I know. You don't want to talk about sneakers. I know, I don't know. Did you see Adam shoes today?

Well, that's what prompted this. So first, if he walks in, and those you said are the Jordan Forks, I've commented on those before know. I don't know. Did you see Adam Schoes today? Well, that's what prompted this. So first, I feel walks in. And those you said were the Jordan Forrest. I've commented on those before. Because I remember those. I remember kids wearing those in school. Specifically, I remember the netting or whatever on the side.

They didn't have bright yellow back then. No, they were red, I think. We're black and red. Anyway, so I remembered something. So two things. One, I watched some of the NBA finals and I never watched basketball. But one thing that I noticed

and I talked to you about it Adam, which I thought was fascinating, was the difference in the shoes that they wear today versus... Oh, and the night... And the night I bought it when you brought this up, I'm so glad you brought this up. Because you never talked about it on the show.

No, so in the 90s, when I was a kid and when basketball shoes were like a big thing, it was all about high tops. high tops, lots of stability, pumps, you know, tightened around your ankle, whatever. I'm looking at all these guys playing basketball now and they're all like mid, you know, there's no ankle.

Three ankles. Mid or low? Yeah, or low, no quote unquote ankle support. And you explained this because they realized that the whole building. Well, I actually didn't explain it. I actually challenged you as trainers to the same thing that went through my head.

So I remember this transition, and I remember like scratching my head. I was already in, I was already training clients. So this is like, I don't know, it was probably a decade ago when you really started to see this transition. And I was like, what, but then it dawned on me. I'm like, oh, I know why.

So I asked you guys, and you guys actually nailed it right away. It's just, it's funny that, it was something, I mean, we all just adopted that as the norm, you know, as kids watching them play basketball, that, oh yeah, high tops, you know, for ankle support, it was just like, we just accepted it. But after I know you guys experienced with training and the importance of foot strength

and ankle strength and mobility and the ankle and how important that is to protecting the foot and ankle. I knew you guys would know and I said, well, what do you guys think? And you both were like, why would think they're ankle mobility and strength? Little basketball is dynamic. Yeah.

It's not like you're deadlifting where you wear a belt and you're like, you run it, you're twisting, you're cutting, you want more mobility flexibility. And of course, you have to have the strength to support that. You're supported, but like you do that intrinsically. So the only time they will, and you still will see them occasionally now,

is I should say, I don't know if you're in time. Yes. Yeah, that makes sense. Right, so you roll your ankle, but you're still gonna play. That makes sense. Then they'll strap up,

they'll put an ankle brace in there, and they'll even have like a high shoe, or whatever I thought. So you saw Curry actually do that in the finals. He went from his lows, he rolled his ankle, I can't remember what game it was and then after that he put his like I would like I see this the numbers on ankle injuries and knee injuries if they're more or less and Uh-oh, it's pro Cmb. Yeah, they they for sure have got the statistics on that which is why it probably became like it overnight

Seemed like they're always looking to profit. And an injured athlete loses your money. Yeah, so yeah. Most injuries I've seen in Benapara, even in my own injury, was like, I didn't have that free range of motion to work with. It stuck. Like my foot was stuck in a fixed position. And then the rest of my body was still traveling

with that momentum and then boom. Well, totally. You know what I'm hearing? Stress. More curious about is who is responsible for influencing the NBA like that. There had to be a very smart coach or trainer. Like who are the first ones?

Yeah. Somebody, because this is what happened, we've talked about this on the air before, is like we assume that because it's the NBA, the NFL, that they have to have the best trainers and coaches, but for the longest time, they didn't. They're getting there. It's definitely getting, it's way different today than it was 20 years ago.

But 20 years ago, they did not have the most- There's just a buddy. Yeah. It was with somebody's uncle, cousin, nephew, or whatever like that that's getting, and they got went to school, did the proper, went through the proper chains, and it has their degree now,

and so now they're qualified to be the trainer of this team. But the stuff that they were implementing back then was still our K. For that reason, as you can see, somebody like a P.J.F. or P.F.J. what's this? Paul Fabrice. Paul Fabrice, he will make more money just to independently and not like he could easily be. He's turned out, yeah, he's turned to the opportunity to work with NBA teams and he'll

just work with him individually like players. Well, for decades, didn't basketball players wear these Chucks or I mean, there's nothing. This is like about as minimal as yet. They would do that Or they do the high top version of that, but yeah, so the entry will be interesting Bring it since you brought that point up is I wonder if we'll keep going in that direction well, no if if the back then if they had a lot of the studies around, you know, you know, ankles and knee injuries and started to compare it to, you know, say the 80s and 90s with all the high tops.

And maybe they saw a huge spike in somebody piece to take care of. Well, it's interesting. So do you guys, okay, you guys obviously remember when the whole barefoot running thing became a thing, right? And it came from researchers going to other parts of the world where there are some cultures where running is a part of the culture to the point where they'll run into their 70s, 80s and 90s. Barefoot, right? Like, and they run barefoot or with almost nothing. Yeah. And what the

researchers did is they were, they filmed the running from the side and from the front to identify if there were any differences and they're sure are when you run barefoot naturally, not now. Like, if you run barefoot naturally, not now, like if you're used to running a shoe, now go try to run barefoot, you're gonna hurt yourself because you're used to not doing it that way, but when you do what your whole life, you strike with your forefoot just before your heel

and because your ankle and your foot acts like a shock absorber and it's actually the best shock absorber you can use. Today, what we do, or for a long time, is we put tons of padding and stuff on the shoe on the heel to try and make it softer, and we actually teach ourselves to hit heel first, which eliminates the shock absorbing ability and intricacies of the foot and the muscles of the foot and the ankle. So these researchers are like, this is how we're supposed to run.

Now, what people did is they said, oh, let me take my shoes off and go run a bunch of miles and I hurt themselves because you've been running for years with shoes on. It's going to take you a long time to learn the other way. So it is really interesting. I wonder if it's going to go in that direction. It's weird because it's sort of like, I mean, you've seen how condition athletes have gone over there just because of the shoes that they grew up with and how they have the elevated heel support already and they've always been used to that.

So it's like, you know, they don't even know how to strike with their forefoot or be on their forefoot. I have to teach this to death to a lot of these athletes on how to be more active and mobile and be ready in a ready position because being on your heels, you're dead. You're dead in the water on the field. Yeah, you can get pushed over.

So having to deliberately teach that to me is mind blowing. Yeah, you know what else I thought of? So in the 90s, there was this trend of shoe technology, I put in quotations. It was all about selling the shoe based off of the newest air or gas or whatever in there to make you jump higher.

And then I remembered and I had it wrong when I told you guys. It was Karl Malone's LA Gear Catapult. That was the shoe. Do you remember that? Do you remember catapult? You were so close. You did a Patrick Ewing reference and said, wow. That was Karl Malone's BK Knights.

It was LA Gear Catapult and the commercial. I remember this as a kid because it closed me as a kid. I watched the commercial. It shows like the foot in the ground and there's a catapult and the commercial, I remember this as a kid, cause it closed me as a kid. I watched the commercial. It shows like the foot in the ground and there's a catapult in there. It closed me forward. Like, frame. Do you know that has to be one of the biggest flops

on one of the biggest names in sports for a shoe? It was. It was? Yes, it was. I know it. But I bet you now, if you have a pair now that are like in good condition, you know what I'm saying?

Oh man, there's gotta be somebody out there once. I bet you. Oh, that's pair now that are like good condition novel to oh man. Yeah, there's got to be somebody out there Once I I bet you That's interesting. I know this is like total am total because it's my son and I only have one But I swear to God the the time that I put him keeping him barefoot for so long He didn't go through that that typical toddler falling over phase that like every kid goes through. And I swear I attributed it to his foot strength and stability of keeping him barefoot. So we keep it railious, try to keep him barefoot

as often as appropriately possible, meaning obviously if we're outside and it looks like the ground might be a little wherever we'll put shoes on, but usually we keep him barefoot, he's way better balanced barefoot. He's way better balanced, barefoot. Wait, because he's mostly barefoot. You put his shoes on him and you can see,

you can see he's trying to feel the ground. I know, so Max is the only time Max has scuffed his knees has been when he's wearing shoes and he's going to run and you can see that he still hasn't adapted to the shoes. And I was explaining to that to family and they're like, well see, now what do you know fall the rest of his life or time was I was explaining to that to family. And they're like, well, see, now what do you know, fall the rest of his life for terms? I was like, no.

Yeah. Eventually he will get really good at walking issues. But I care more that he has foot strings, ankle mobility, and that ability to control himself. He can articulate his toes. Yes. And he can balance his own form. And you'll see him like, he'll, he's wild, bro.

He'll be sitting down and he always is comfortable in that deep squat position. That's how he plays and reads and sits. And you can see, he'll naturally does this with his toes while he's doing some of this. That's so great. I know. So I mean, of course, I have one kid and so I know it's not.

No, no, that's legit. I got an argument with some older relatives because they told me, aren't you gonna get supportive shoes for Aralius? Like, because their idea was back in the day, you get stiff, supportive shoes with a little heel, because then your kids can walk sooner. I'm like, no, I don't want that.

And I'm trying to explain to them, we get this big old debate. And I finally, I'm just like, yeah, it's a stretch, dude. And I just stopped the conversation, but that's exactly. That was the thought process. So no wonder we wake up, we get older and we have a weird foot issue. Well, speaking of training, I've been getting a lot of emails lately actually from parents,

which is pretty cool. From the football team, and also from just doing that podcast with DeFranco, that, because we talked a little bit about nutrition, but a lot about training, but mainly just like that difficulty of getting enough protein and adequate protein to these athletes. And I told my story on the show a bunch of times about how I was rewarding these kids with magic spoon. And just for somebody like me growing up,

that would have been a game changer. Because it was like morning or even at night, I'd be shoveling that in anyways. I'd be eating a huge bowl of cereal, and it's like to have an option of like loading them up with more protein because the thing is too, my household was with two boys and just to keep up with the meat demands for two boys,

dude that gets expensive, really fast. And so between that and like, yeah I had a couple, even like butcher box, they're like, oh thank you. Cause they just need help with, you know, being able to supply them with enough of this for their training. If I had magic spoons a kid, are you kidding me right now?

I could have a bowl of 30 grams of protein in a bowl of cereal. I was doing it anyway. I was, except I was eating sugar smacks, pops, and lucky charms. Yeah, which is not. Or porn like a Gereos and I'd take a scoop of way protein and put it in it was did you do that? I did stuff like that so disgusting when I got into lifting weights the things that I would do to get pro

Get out now. I was not your typical 15-year-old kid. I was like obsessed. I would make Chicken breast two to fish shakes shakes in a blender Gotta get it down. Yeah, you should see my mom was like she got a big whole fight me once I had to hide and do it no one's around Drink it real quick. Did you make one of those shit? No mom? I didn't do that. I mean, I mean we talk about like obviously It's a process food, right? We always talk about like the idea of getting whole foods And so sometimes I think people get the wrong message when we talk about that You got to work with what you gotta work with. Yeah, exactly. I mean, if you're an adult and you're responsible,

you're making all your meals, it's about that like 100%. I'm gonna push my clients always to whole natural foods. You have to consider always. First of all, don't make teenagers, come on, it's a different story. I said this last time, I was like, what is it, don't make good the enemy of perfect, right? So, you do this all the time.

Perfect, the enemy of good. Perfect the enemy of good. Perfect the enemy of good. Okay, I said it backwards again. That's very important thing to do because there's ideal and then there's, okay, what do we actually deal with? So I'll give you guys a great example. Organic is another example. We talk about this all the time about the, I mean,

there's a hierarchy. Yeah. Organic is down here at the top is calories, then macros, then food quality. Okay, that's the hierarchy. So if you're about food quality, but you don't pay attention to the other stuff, although food quality contributes to those,

and it's more complex than the way I'm making a sound right now, but if you eat too much, even if the food quality is great, which can happen, it doesn't matter. You're helpful for that. Well, yeah, it's like eating all organic and grass-fed meat, but yet drinking a liter of Pepsi every single day. It's being over calories by.

Or drinking a liter of organic Pepsi. Or again. Organic candy always cracks you up. That's it. I eat that. You know why I do that? It's subconscious. You know why I do it? I swear to God, that's why I do that? Hey, it's subconscious. I don't even know that little bit. No, you know why I do it?

I swear to God, it's why I do it. Cause I know it's bullshit. But the reason why I do it is I want to give my money to companies that are going in that direction anyway. So, and you're right, maybe you feel a little better. And they know that, so that's what I do. So, they know that. We'll make this for somebody else.

They gotta come be bare. So speaking of which about, you know, perfect the enemy are good and whatever, governments great at this, governments know, perfect the enemy of good and whatever, government's great at this, government's great at passing laws that feel good and never considering the potential unintended consequences. So here's one of the dumbest things that is coming out now. So they are pushing a policy right now

and I would love to you guys's feedback what you think could potentially happen from this. They are pushing a policy right now to mandate that cigarettes have low amounts of nicotine. So they're going to give them a cap and make it very low that cigarettes will now have way less nicotine because of course nicotine is the pleasurable part of cigarettes. It's also the part that we know what will make it addictive. And so they're like, hey, here's a deal.

We're going to help people not smoke because it's bad for you. We're going to pass the law. All cigarettes need to be low nicotine. Any thought though? Of course, I guess that's gonna happen. Yeah, we're gonna, now we're gonna have a bigger black market just like we do in cannabis.

It's a reason why the cannabis laws and rules are stupid and the whole idea that we have all these cannabis clubs is, oh, we're moving in this direction. Yeah, but then we tax the shit out of it. We put the prices through the roof, and so it still drives a black market because people are gonna say, the same concept.

But what's gonna happen as a result of that? That's a really not a thing. Not to mention, you're not addressing the issue. The issue is not like the amount of nicotine and cigarettes that's the problem. That's not the root cause of what causes these people to keep. They've got something else that they're escaping from or they want. And you find another problem.

You manipulating that is not going to, and here's the shitty part. Let me talk about politics. What will happen is they'll show the decrease and purchase this because now people aren't going to legal route, but then they'll do it in a black mark, which they can't track. And so they're going to probably make the case for its working. Let me, let me, let me rephrase this because there's another thing that I think you guys, that's gonna be more obvious, okay? Imagine, and by the way, I do wanna say this,

nicotine is not harmful. Yes, it's addictive like caffeine is, but it's actually not harmful. It's all the other shit in cigarettes. All the smoke and the other stuff. Does that naturally produce when you condense down a tobacco leaves? Yeah, tobacco leaves, like it contains it.

Yeah, so let me rephrase this, and let me see what you got, because you guys like coffee a lot. You love coffee. Fuck yeah. Okay, now let's say the typical cup of coffee has got 100 milligrams caffeine. I'll just use an arbitrary number.

And the government says, Hey, here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna mandate that a cup of coffee can have no more than 20 milligrams of caffeine. Just drink double now. There you go. You have five cups. Yeah, yeah. What do you think people caffeine. Just drink double now. There you go. Five cups. What do you think people are going to do with cigarettes now?

Buy more cigarettes. They're going to smoke way more cigarettes. How gangster would this be if Philip Morris is like behind the scenes of lobbying for this to happen? That would be the biggest. Oh, so you can sell more cigarettes? Yes. I wouldn't be surprised.

How gangster would that be if it was for Morris's eye? I wouldn't be surprised. And they, for the government, should I be life funded the campaigns for the anti-accessive tobacco. Oh yeah, because they, because it, if you've ever seen that movie, that's good, good show.

Thank you for smoking. You're smoking. Yeah, yeah, they talk about that. Yeah. And I would not be surprised if it was a lobbyist from that represents the Philip Morris that got the government to go in that direction to make everybody think that we're actually trying to help people when in reality we know it's only going to double

our cigarettes. Well, what's going to happen is I know my manipulation. I know it's for a fact. People are going to smoke more cigarettes. Oh, this one only gave me so much. I only felt this might let me smoke into the two. Now you've got three or four times the carcinogens and the nicotine which didn't hurt you. Yes, it's the addictive thing, but it didn't hurt you physically or cause cancer.

That's the part that we're regulating. Ridiculous. Absolutely. And then the black market, absolutely. There's already black markets for cigarettes in states that were their highly taxed. Is it still like that? I know New York used to be like that.

Is it still like that? Yeah, you go, that's, remember that one guy was named, that gentleman that he ended up getting taken down by police for selling loose cigarettes. Oh yeah. He ended up suffocating as a result for selling loose cigarettes. Ridiculous. Yeah, absolutely ridiculous.

So stupid policies is not going to result. And then here's the other thing. Because it's a nicotine regulation, here's why I think what you said might be absolutely correct with Philip Morris. Because it's a nicotine regulation, you know, he's going to get hit hard from this, vape companies in jewel,

which cigarette companies, it's direct competition. Ooh, yeah, they may be trying to eliminate their competition. Correct, so that now you hammer the shit out of them, you're gone, and then you smoke more cigarettes and we're still here, and you're all good. Are we wearing 10 foil hats, or are we like right on the market? I think we're right on the market. I kind of feel like we're on the market, just what I mean.

We're at 100% on the market. It's just money. Yeah, dude. We'll see if it passes, follow the money. It's like, yeah, I know, it's over. It's like when they Yeah, dude. We'll see if it passes. Follow the money. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I know. It's like when they passed the... Remember that?

My favorite one is when Congress passed, like the... I don't remember what it was called, but it was to make school lunches healthier. Oh, yeah, then the pizza? Because the pizza counts as the sauce. The sauce is cast as a vegetable. The sauce is cast as vegetable. Yes.

They're like, it has to have a vegetable. And then the... The... The pizza, you know, lobby or whoever, lobby's a, well, tomato sauce, you know, to make people wonder why we're skeptical. They wonder. Yeah, we got our pizza. Yeah. That's vegetables.

I know. It's ridiculous. How are gas prices over at your place right now? Are you seeing an increase still? I think it's, I peaked at 7. 7. Yeah, it's like 7. Did you you see that the the prophecy fulfilled itself seven eleven Yeah, no selling down for seven. Oh my god. No, it's 11. I did not see that. Yeah, it's hilarious

I mean, it's pretty much up there for premium. You know, you're you're getting it like seven eleven seven twelve Was it Andrew that was telling us the the clip from what's the will Smith one were the everything they like the apocalypse happens and everything like that? What's oh, oh yeah, I am legend. Yeah, I am led was it Andrew that was telling us that the gas prices in there are the ones that we have now no or lower So even the apocalypse happened I passed the apocalypse That's what we did cheaper gas apoccos. That's what we did. Cheaper gas everybody. Oh man. Hey, speaking of speaking of cool, I don't know, conspiracy-ish stuff. Do you know what they're studying a lot right now for its effects, positive effects on COVID?

Canabinoids. Canabinoids, the things that we can win. What is canabinoids not good for? I know. But try to say this for a long time. So CBD, in particular, another cannabinoid, CBD and other cannabinoids in particular, are being shown in animal studies to prevent the COVID virus from getting into your cells. So not just like, not just like, oh, it helps with the inflammation,

so like what y'all get to, but actually potentially preventing you from catching it in the first place. These are animal studies, of course, so take it with a grain of salt. But very fascinating. And then THC, they did an amouse study and it prevented the cytokine storm that causes death.

So all the animals in the THC study, none of them died from COVID, whereas the ones that were the controls, you saw a few of them die. So is it like the same mechanism, like you know, you take zinc and it kind of replaces a molecule, so it kind of blocks it? Is that?

Uh oh, um, not quite, I think not, not like that, but, but something a little different. I think CBD has to do with the, God, now I can't remember, there's a receptor alpha receptor. I can't remember the name of it in the cells that allow you to uptake it. Children have less of it, which is why they get, hmm, a lower response, but apparently it helps

block that or prevent the COVID virus from attaching and replicating or whatever. And then all the cannabinoids have this kind of systemically anti-inflammatory effect, or inflammatory regulating effect. Which we knew that, yeah. Yes. So that's a study that just came out or? There's a lot now that are coming. So if you Google like CBD and COVID or THC in COVID,

you'll pull up all these different studies that show this. Now, obviously, this is gonna lead to one of our sponsors, Ned, not saying take Ned for COVID, but what you do see with Ned or with cannabinoids is this long kind of well regulated inflammatory response. That's what you tend to see with people. So when people use it and that that's the message as I get, and that's what I notice too,

is that people just generally feel a more appropriate levels of inflammation. I say appropriate because you could take a strong anti-inflammatory like Advil or ibuprofen, which tampers down inflammation, but it doesn't indiscriminately, meaning that you lose some of the potential benefits of inflammation, because it doesn't indiscriminately, meaning that you lose some of the potential benefits of inflammation, because it's a signaling process, but cannabinoids don't seem to do that.

So it regulates inflammation, like a light dimmer switch on your light switch, allowing your body to have appropriate levels of inflammation. It seems to have a positive impact on like every part of your body. That's why I feel like it's why it's so popular right now. And because we didn't have a lot of research and studies around it and now all of that's coming. So it's, it almost feels like every. What kind of works with a lot of different. That's right, man, there's a chapter gene.

It's like it kind of helps the, what do you call that a thermostat or not? Thermostat like a dimmer switch. Yeah, like it just helps to kind of mitigate like the highs and then the lows. It's an immunomodulator. So what they find in studies is people with autoimmune issues have a good response.

So hyperimmune system, and then they show in studies with people with a low immune response, people with like HIV and cancer, you get a boost of immune function. Speaking of which, did you know the first study on cannabis that showed anti-cancer effects? There's lots of them now that show anti-cancer effects. But the first one that was that showed that, potentially showed that, was a government-funded study. And I think it was in the 1970s, right? 1974, I want to say. And the government funded a study to show... Did they keep it classified?

Well, here's what they did. This is true. it's not a conspiracy. They wanted to show that, oh, for sure, marijuana causes lung cancer. As this study was progressing, there was a slight protective effect. They shut it down, classified it. Nobody can find out about this. Done. Yeah.

Whoops. This doesn't help our initiative, you know? Isn't that a good time? Yeah. Anyway, hey, so I was online on YouTube again, because you guys know I'm a home alone right now, so I've had a lot of time to watch a good time. Yeah. Anyway, hey, so I was online on YouTube again, because you guys know I'm home alone right now So I've lost time to watch weird shit I know I watched you guys ever watch Brock Lesnar in college when he wrestled

He was a beast you want to talk about he was like just as big. Oh, he was like if this was 10,000 years ago He would be the guy on the horse. Yeah, That you said with the horn helmet, just killing people. His forehead would knock people out. Dude, he was a college, a monster. I watched his championship match. We'll put it in the show. And so we'll put it up here. He was so jacked and crazy, strong looking.

I can't even believe that human. He's Viking DNA for sure. I remember watching his first fights in the UFC and him not having any real mixed martial art skills at all, but still winning fights. Yeah, I just just highlights like what a beast he is because you're talking about trained your professional in MMA. Yeah. And you know, he is one of those. He's that exception of the role where you talk about like, oh, you know, wait, doesn't matter.

If you have someone who's extremely skilled in this like that like there's a point well He was a collegiate wrestler, but he didn't have you right no MMA skill. Oh, yeah, no What was that match? You like held someone down? He just pinned them basically. Yeah, I just kept being a mammar fisting him And they just couldn't do anything about it. I'm pounded up until they submitted just a monster I mean you meet someone like that in person you don't expect them to move like that either, because you're so big. Yeah, he's fast. Do you play all the moves?

I don't know, do you play football? I thought he played college football or almost made a pro too, I thought. Yeah, I don't know about football. I definitely know he was like national champion wrestler at Minnesota. So how old are you when you're, he's got to, he had to be like 21.

Like 21 years old, right? When he was in college, and he, oh, any wrestle. Oh, yeah. In early 20s, at the latest. Yeah, yeah. You imagine me in a 21 year old that right? When he was in college, and he'd be in any wrestle. Oh, yeah. In early 20s, at the latest. Yeah, yeah. You imagine me in a 21 year old that looked like that? Yeah.

I'd be like, okay. When do his parents look like? Oh, all right. And all right. Yeah, but it's always so anomaly where the parents are like, five, three and like 100, and they had that. You know what I'm saying? What the fuck?

They were just pulled up to see if he played football. They could play for the Vikings. Yes, he played professional football. Wow. Yeah, he played professional football. Wow. Yeah, he was, he was just a super athlete, bro. Yeah. It's just a super human. Just a phenom.

Insane. That just goes to show you the wide spectrum of genetics that existed in humans, you know? Yeah. Yeah, I don't think you actually made the team. He didn't make the team. Yeah, he wasn't like a main player with that. But I mean, the fact that you even try out

for a professional team, you could play football. Speaking of like ridiculous athletes, I also watched highlight videos of Bo Jackson. That guy was insane. Oh, no, you're talking. He was the first, he was the first to go both ways, right? Yeah, football and baseball.

I'd argue the best athlete of all time. I would agree. Have you ever watched his documentary on like how his personality is and like, oh, dude, he's so chill. And really? Yeah, yeah, there's a really good 30 for 30 on him. If you've never had a chance to watch, just watching this brand of shit.

And now that you are bringing that up, you should go down the rabbit hole and watch his 30 for 30. Was it, was that the one where they should, like when he grew up and kids through rocks at him and he'd run away? I think so. Yeah, I think that's in there.

But you do not anticipate his personality to be the way it is based off of what a superior attitude. You know, it's crazy about that. I would say he is so gifted and he really didn't try that hard. You know, I wonder if in many of these situations, if you grew up with someone like this, everybody just knew, right? Cause he must have stood out like you stood out and professionals

Oh, hundred percent you must have been in high school. I must have been a joke. You guys are making it to the elite level You see it real young. I have I have on Katrina side. She has a nephew That and I only I only get to see him every once in a while and I remember seeing him when he was like I want to say He was seven or nine. He was under 10 and seeing him when he was like, I want to say he was seven or nine. He was under 10 and he was throwing and he's now in like a traveling baseball team. Like he's really, really good. And I've never seen like seven or nine years old throw to my other nephew who was in high school playing high school baseball at that time.

They were playing this game that baseball players play where you stand across from each other. And if you throw it as hard as fast you can, right? At their face, it's like three points, and then I forget how the point system works, and I forget, I'm sure some baseball player will tell me the name of the game. I forget what it's called.

It's 21? Yeah, so 21, right? And that's, it's three points when you hit straight on, right? I'm reading the head to the first soul, what it's about. Okay. So, and you're supposed to be whipping at each other, as hard as you can. And this little kid is like

I mean he's whipping my my other than have the older ones asked at just how pinpoint accurate and fast and hard and you can Just see it. He's throwing and moving like a cool like a collegial level Adult at nine years old dude insane. You just know and then of course I've watched him over the last ten years You just know and then of course I've watched him over the last 10 years Progress in the game, but you can see it like that. Oh, there's this kid named Danny mix When we were in like little league who's left handed picture I thought for sure he's gonna be the next Randy Johnson like he was probably throwing like 70 miles an hour But you know how close you are You know at that level like the mound is really close. So it literally

felt like 90 to 100 mile an hour ball coming at you. And you would brush everybody back and everybody was just terrified. It struck everybody out. Nobody hit them. You ever seen a top level, uh, I thought something that surprised me. I saw a college. I actually trained a call D1, uh, softball player. So girl, right? And I always thought softball, I know they throw it fast, but how fast can you possibly throw it? Dude, I saw her pitch that thing. I'm like, that's a big ass ball going real fast. That was pretty remarkable. Well, they've, they've compared like, because the, like, Justin's talking about the mound length is a difference, makes a huge difference. There's more time to, when you're

in professional, so when you see a hundred, three miles an hour and you compare it to like a little league doing 77 or a softball, let's say 60 or something like that, like they're comparable. I don't know what the exact calculations are, but it's not fair to compare a 60 mile an hour softball. Same as a softball pitch. Yeah. So I say, yeah, yeah, yeah, you can't compare the two. Now they say that pitching softball, uh, that the way that they do it underhand is much easier on the body. And it's supposed be biomechanically better for the shoulder. Is that what they say? Yeah, I mean, that's what they purport.

But I, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what the long term effects of. I would imagine the bicep and the bicep tendon would be like a lot of force. I mean, they definitely generate a ton of force by doing that. You know, you could see talent like this in other areas too. So my brother-in-law, he has a little girl. She's the most charismatic little kid I've ever met.

She's a little kid and she makes videos on his phone. And I'm like, if don't let her get on YouTube, because she'll get famous right away. You can see it early. She's young, she's a little, like I don't know how old is she, she's got to be six maybe. And she's like, hey, welcome to my channel

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A low belly fat and love handles. Hard to get rid of that stuff, that's what I'm trying to do, get rid of that. My main goal is to build muscle, burn fat, be as lean as possible. I'm eating super clean. I follow your guys for in max little beard. I follow all of his nutrition advice.

I read genius foods a couple months ago and changed my life. And I started listening to his podcast. I came across a couple of episodes of Sal as the guest and got turned on the mind for him. After listening to Yo and hearing about full body workouts, I started doing this. So now I train with weights three days and we want to talk about the workouts.

I do jujitsu three days a week. My day off, it in workouts. I do jujitsu three days a week. My day off, I stay at it, and I walk for about a half an hour. Every day I do 20 pushups every two hours, that's seven days a week. So what I've been doing, as far as nutrition wise, I've been intermittent fasting,

with the fast thing lasting for 20 hours, four hour feeding them, eating two meals a day. All of my foods are very nutrient-based. I pretty much ate all of the genius foods. My question is, as my body absorb and use all of the nutrients the same way, in those four hours eating only twice, I said, boy, I already ate three, four meals a day,

over, so you know, and eight to 10 hour window, as opposed to what I'm talking about. It does, but that's not what I'm concerned about. Yeah, generally it does, but more frequent protein feedings may have some benefit, but I know where Adam's going. I think you're doing way too much for how little you're feeding too.

Yeah, you throw in everything, but the kitchen sink at yourself. So fasting can cause additional stress on the body in the right context. Then you're doing jujitsu, which I did jujitsu for a long time. I know how strenuous and challenging that is. So you're doing that three days a week plus your lifting three days a week plus you're doing push-ups every two hours every couple hours. Way too much way too much on your body. So however you're progressing now or maybe you've plateaued, you could be progressing a lot faster

if you scale things back. So let me ask you a question. What's more important to you, the strength training or the jujitsu? Because I'm gonna give you some recommendations, but I wanna make sure it's based on what you wanna do. Strength training. Okay, so I would go two days a week of strength training

and one or two days a week of jujitsu, okay? Not three days and three, that's way too much. So two days of strength, one or two days a week of jujitsu, okay? Not three days and three, that's way too much. So two days of strength, one or two days of jujitsu. So bring that down, so now you're working out four days a week. Pushups every other hour, you know, I would say if the intensity is really low, that's fine.

In other words, if you can pump out 20 reps and it's like a PCK, there's nothing wrong with that. But if it feels like you're working out, way too much. So I have no problem with every couple hours you're doing some kind of movement, but it's gotta be really easy. Feel like you could do it with your eyes closed type of intensity.

So that'll just facilitate recovery. Otherwise way too much working out. Fasting, nothing necessarily wrong with that. So long as you're getting the right amount of nutrients and so long as you're not exhibiting any signs of stress from that much fasting. So what does that look like? It looks like your energy starts to dip, you get really fatigued, your hot cold tolerance starts to change, you find yourself colder than normal or when you go out in the sun, it

seems more unbearable than it normally would. If you're noticing those things, then what I would do is I would have, make sure you eat a higher fat, higher protein breakfast, and then eat a couple more meals. I mean, we worked with Dr. Cabral recently, who's a great functional medicine practitioner. He recommended that Justin start eating breakfast, specifically because of some of the stuff that he noticed.

And I mean, I'll let Justin tell you, he's experienced with that, but he told me it's been a game changer. Oh, it's been a game changer, yeah, because of being, for, this is a couple of years of skipping breakfast. It's not like something I just did for a while and then stopped. This has became a behavioral habit of mine, which, you know, definitely affected my stress levels and then also to, you also to that carried into the workout. So what you don't think might be a stressor

that is then adding to your bucket of stress, you have to kind of account and have inventory of all these things. And whether or not your recovery then is adequate enough in terms of like, now I need to figure out how to raise up my recovery. And a lot of times what that means is, I have to either reduce all these crazy

strenuous activities where I have to then, fuel my body and give it the nutrients and things that I need, you know, as I first wake up, it was a big deal for me in terms of like, you know, having that type of energy and fuel for me first thing in the morning.

Philip, have you actually wrote down and tracked what you're consuming? You have a four hour eating window, so you're only eating once or twice. Have you actually tracked your calories, proteins, fats? Have you tracked that to see what you're doing consistently? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yeah, I danced in the macros every single day. Pretty much the same thing every single day. So I'm about 16, not not much either. Uh, 1650. I'm trying to cut

down. Yeah. I want to I want to build most of it like I said, aren't fat, too. There's a digital competition in November. So I'm sure I'm going to I don't know, you know, I'm trying to get down to 175 and be around eating that That way class. So you're you're definitely making it harder for yourself I promise you that you could actually do a lot less Work and stress on your body and get there a lot a lot easier than what you're doing right now So if you're only eating 1600 calories, I'm assuming you're probably under eating 180 grams of protein every day, too 165 okay, so that's not bad. So if you're at least hitting the protein there,

but that low of calories, that much work you're doing, it, yeah, six foot tall, 185, 1600 calories with all that work, your body is in, you're really teaching your body to store, your body's trying to be as efficient as possible because you're not feeding it much for guy your size, plus all that activity. So I would do what I said with the workout.

By the way, if you have a competition in Jiu-Jitsu, you can flip what I said. You could do three days a week in Jiu-Jitsu, one day a week of strength training. If you want to really do well in the Jiu-Jitsu competition, that'll serve you better. But I would increase your food intake, and I would do it by eating breakfast.

Throw 300 calorie breakfast in the morning, fat and protein breakfast, and we'll kind 300 calorie breakfast in the morning fat and protein breakfast, and we'll kind of keep your blood sugar stabilized, give you some more, you know, a little bit more calories and go from there. But right now, you got nowhere to go. You want to get leaner, what are you going to do? Cut your calories more, work out even more, you're screwed, right? So we got to back you out of that a little bit and get things speeding up. And I'm telling you, 16-hour calories for guy your size, with that much activity. Oh hell, that's what I was.

That's really low, right? You should be, I mean, if everything was working the way that I would want it, at guy your size, doing six days a week of exercise, three days a week, 28, 100 calories. Yeah, you'd be close to 3,000 calories, right? So consider that. So start scaling it back, bump up your calories,

eat a breakfast, a high fat, high protein breakfast, will set you up, you'll feel good, you'll have good energy. And then the workout, you could either do, like I said, two days a week of strength training, and one or two days a week of Jiu-Jitsu, or if you wanna win this competition, I'd flip it, go three days of Jitsu one day

of strength training and do a full body workout. How long do we have till the competition? So the competition didn't all remember, and it's more of a, I mean, I'm into it, but it's more of a fun time with my brothers. I'm taking it seriously, but I'm getting a lot of time to get to know them. I mean, I'm into it, but it's more of a fun time with my brothers. I'm taking it seriously, but I'm more serious about getting my body right. So that's good news because that's plenty of time to reverse you out. Since I didn't know if it was like four weeks away or something because I was like,

oh, shit, four weeks away, you got to get down to 175. I don't know. We're telling you. Yeah, no, we got plenty of time. So what you should do right now is don't don't be hung up so much on the scale Start to increase the calories like Sousing scale back the amount of volume that you're training and and let your body recover a little bit Let your metabolism recover a little bit and build that up. I'd really like you to be in a place of Eventually not right away, but north of

2400 calories before I start to cut you for the jiu jitsu thing. And by the way, that would be the goal. The goal that you and I would have is, okay, let's try and gain as little on the scales possible. So I want you to hover around 185 190. I don't want you to go much higher than that. Let's slowly try and increase calories, week over week, and increments of about 200 calories or so, focus on getting strong and just kind of keep and get those calories to where hopefully coming into end of October, I've got you at about 2400 plus calories and then I can restrict calories for the final couple weeks heading into your digit tournament and you'll lean right out. Yeah, but and you know, we'll notice right away,

Philip, by doing this is you're just going to see yourself get stronger in the gym. That's the first thing you're going to know. If you do this within a week or you know we'll notice right away Philip by doing this is you're just gonna see yourself get strong or in the gym That's the first thing you're gonna if you do this within a within a week or two you'll notice your the weights Go up you'll start to feel a lot stronger. That's a good sign. So pay attention to that Okay, now let me ask you some my schedule Monday through Friday I work out it for a year. I got to be up So eat breakfast in that in that hour before I work out now afterwards. Yeah By the way, you're just adding more to this stress bucket by the more the more a story you tell here Do you also work like fucking 16 hour days, too? Is that next or what time do you have you have nine kids?

I don't sleep at like 80 clock. Do you have do you have nine kids too? What else you got going on bro? You got a lot on your weight dude. You got a lot. No, you said you got you said you go to bed at eight o'clock every night. Yeah, Chris, man, I'm laying down. That's in 45 already. Okay. Okay. Okay. That's good. No, no, that's good. That's good. That's good. You going out right? All right, man. Well good. Well, yeah, do what we said. I think it'll be totally fine. Your body's in response really, really. Well, you know, why don't we throw you in the forum, Phil? Are you in our private forum yet? So is that that social media, right? Yeah, are you not on social media? I'm not on any social media, man

Help you seeing you're doing right now Good for you, man Well, make sure you check back in with us Why why you're doing that what do we have you on Alan Annabalik right now? Are you following maps? Annabalik? What's your program? Now, so that's what I was that's what I haven't got a maps program yet I'm listening to you guys probably a month and a half and I just went I've been going off with you What y'all been saying? I haven't I'm not following program. All right, I'm going to send you a map, send a ball. Yes, send your map, send a ball.

That's your program. Okay, and I saw, I actually saw my screen right now. It says two to three jam sessions for weeks, so do the two. Do the two, and then the two would you jitsu, two to three, jitsu, and then you'll be set. Yep. And then the trigger sessions. You're kind of doing that with your pushups.

You're kind of doing that with your pushups. You're kind of doing that with your pushups, but you can replace the pushups with trigger sessions. And the program will explain it. There's some bands in there. Mm-hmm. Y'all got some bands. Good deal.

Yeah, follow that, increase those calories. Bump those calories up a couple hundred. And let's see, see, and then focus on getting to make a world of difference, too. So a couple hundred per week or so? Yeah, so, or a couple hundred every so, like, right now, what do we say week or so. Yeah, so we'll couple hundred every so like right now what do we say you're at 1600 so right away. 1500 and 150 and I just got done eating. I'm done like for the day. I mean, so you get get your ass up to at least

18 50 1900 right now. Yeah, so like a nice a nice scramble in the morning, you know, you got you that'll give you the extra 200 to 300 calories right out the gates. Yeah. So bump that up run that for at least a week or two. You know, see how you feel. So long as we don't see a major jump on the scale. The next week throw in another another 200 after that. So follow that for at least a week or two. Really pay attention to how you feel energy-wise strength. Make sure you're not seeing like a dramatic swing on the scale. So long as you don't see yourself shoot up beyond five pounds on the scale, I'd increase you again, another 200 calories on top of that. So within a month, we're up to like 2,200 or so calories, hopefully.

Okay. Cool. Sounds good. I appreciate you guys for real, man. Right on. Thank you. Awesome. Appreciate it.

Appreciate the sport, Phillip. He's really. Oh, thank you. Awesome. Appreciate it. Appreciate the sport. Thank you guys. It's as he was going, I was like, you know, I wake up at this time. Yeah. I do pushups every other. I do this, I'm like, oh my gosh, it's all kinds of stuff. You know, you know, this really, what this really points to is the will that some people have.

Yeah. And it's, and they will ignore the signs that they're overdoing it because they're so determined. And you could tell by the way he's talking, like he is doing everything that he has learned so far, because he's excited about it and you know, we've seen some weight loss, right? But man, you're doing a lot of work, but it's not necessarily benefiting him.

No, you gotta be effective. You wanna be effective. You don't wanna just spin your tires in the dirt, because you're not going anywhere. And then eventually, you got to be effective. You want to be effective. You don't want to just spin your tires in the dirt because you're not going anywhere. And then eventually you set yourself up for a really, really tough time to maintain. And oftentimes people fail because of that. Well, the truth is, and I think it's the message that we're always trying to convey on the show is that it doesn't have to be this hard. It doesn't. I mean, it's more about having the right balance. And I think he is doing a lot of, he's trying a lot, right? He's doing everything Max is telling him. He's doing the fasting like crazy.

He's training, he's training consistently. He's doing jiu-jitsu. He's doing a trigger sessions throughout the day. I mean, he's got a lot he's doing right now. He doesn't need to do all that, you know, especially being that underfed. If he was fed, it would be different. If he said he was eating 2800 calories and he was doing all those things, still overtraining, still more than what he needs to do.

That is big of an emergency. But not as big of a deal, yeah, exactly. We still have lots of room we can play with, but that low of calories for his size, his activity level, he's got to come the other way. Our next caller is Dom from Texas. Dom, what's happening? How can we help you?

How's it going guys? Very good, yeah? Very good. Yeah Good good. So yeah, I just wanted to you know first off of course a you know, thank you for having me on I've followed you guys pretty extensively for the last year and a half or so and Just want to say no Adam you'll appreciate this but go warriors Absolutely, yeah, that was that was a shocking one, but I'd love to see it for the guys, but perfect. So yeah, a little bit about me, I'm living in Austin.

Now my background for my physical standpoint is I played college baseball. And then to be honest, kind of let myself go afterwards. In the last couple of years, I've had a pretty big lifestyle change. I ended up getting up to around 5.11 for reference and played around 250. So I've always been a bigger dude and got up to around like 2.95 and then in January 2020, kind of flipped a switch and in October. So about 10 months in, I had lost 100 pounds,

and got down to like 195. And then at that point honestly, it was kind of around the same time I started listening to y'all and realized that I was doing some stuff right but during the progress or during the process that done a lot of things wrong. And your guys' show has given me a lot of insight as to what was the direct cause of what I was feeling

and all the symptoms of I basically ran myself into the ground for 10 months, and that's how I lost the weight and was eating in a deficit for honestly a year and a half. So I had a lot of the side effects from that, but my question to you all wasn't really regarding weight loss or anything. It was more kind of specific. So basically last December, I injured my back deadlifting. Nothing really serious.

I kind of just felt a pop and ended up going to like a chiropractor and he had said that it was chalked up to like a sprain. And about two months after I was moving normally, I kind of all my range of motion back was lifting pretty heavy in most exercises, except for deadlift, but that really wasn't like a performance block. It was more of a mental block, so like fast forward to now. And I'm as strong as I've ever been in every lift except for deadlift.

Again, the deadlift has always been my best lift. When I played baseball, I could pull 500 pounds. I'd rep out 405. And since then, I haven't gone above 285. And it's not like 285 is a weight that I struggle with when I do it. I just have this worry that I'm going to injure it again with one bad movement. And it really sucks because I love deadlifting. I've always loved deadlifting and I hate that I do have this mental or maybe it is a physical block preventing me from going heavy. But I realize that I don't necessarily have to lift super heavy in order to see the results. But my main question really is, what are y'all's opinions on different deadlift variations? Specifically conventional trap bar, Sumo, like is one form safer than the other. question really is what are y'all's opinions on different deadlift variations, specifically

conventional, trap bar, sumo, like is one form safer than the other, or will I see the same benefits from using one variation over the other? Fun question. Yeah, good question. By the way, great mustache. Yeah. That's a very good one. I had it before, top gun, so don't get any ideas.

Okay, so all deadlift variations are safe when perform correctly. So really the question is which deadlift variations require the most skill, right? That's where the risk comes from is some require more skill than others. A trap bar deadlift is probably the easiest to perform. It requires at least the amount of skill to perform. Therefore, you're more likely to do it properly and less likely to hurt yourself. A conventional deadlift and a sumo deadlift depends on who I'm talking to,

but both of them are relatively high skill. How do you get back into it? I'll give you an exercise, I'm gonna recommend that I think we'll be phenomenal for you to focus on that's gonna lead to a very balanced, strong, stable, deadlift, single leg deadlift. So on the days when you would normally deadlift, grab yourself a pair of dumbbells, try to balance

on one leg and practice single leg deadlifting. And do this for like two months. Give yourself eight weeks to get really strong with a single leg deadlift. Then go back to deadlifting, whatever preferred variation you like, conventional sumo or trap. And then notice how you feel. That may help you with the mental part because you're gonna feel very stable on this before. And it makes a very big difference

in how I feel when I pull the weight off, I feel so stable and so safe because I got better at the single leg deadlift. And many times when you feel or hear a pop like that, especially when you're lifting really heavy in the deadlift, it has something to do with something, an instability from left to right, right? So like you have a weakness.

One side's a little more dominant than the other. So you're a little bit of a discrepancy there. You're loading really heavy and that little bit of a tweak in that movement is all it took for that pop to happen. And so Sal's advice is brilliant. And this is what I would totally do if I was training you is We would just set a goal of like we're gonna get had a good at the single-ake deadlift and let me tell you So if you go back far enough on my Instagram

You can you can scroll down where I went on a kick for the same reason by the way I was I was progressing really fast and deadlift It was back in the days when I was chasing Sal I kind of tweaked my back a little bit and instead of going right back to to going heavy deadlift, I went back, I went to single deadlift. And I think I had to start, I want to say with like 40 or 50 pound dumbbells, you know, bouncing, it was really hard just to do a few of those. Worked my way up to where I was hanging on to 100 pound dumbbells on each side. Then after that went back to bilateral, so both feet on the ground, dead lifting, and felt so stable and strong.

So set a goal for yourself to get really good at the single-aid deadlift. It's going to take a little bit time. It's stability-wise. You're going to have to regress all the way down. But what's cool, if you've never done this before, you'll progress fast. I went from 40 pound dumbbells to 100 pound dumbbells in like over the course of a month and a half. So really quick, you'll get strong there because it's probably very novel. Yeah, even this injury too, will your recruitment patterns are going to change a bit just from that.

So, you know, the hesitancy, you know, psychologically obviously you might feel that, but also too, like your body is going to recruit a little bit differently. And this is why too, like I was gonna point you into map symmetry, do you have map symmetry? Okay. No, I don't. Okay, we'll definitely get you map symmetry because there's gonna be a lot of those little inconsistencies and balances, discrepancies

that you're gonna find, like Adam was talking about, left to right, or just a weakness in terms of a loss of recruitment and certain movements and certain staple things that you've been doing, just because your body is a very protective body, well, I'm trying to think of the word. I'm trying to prevent engine. Yeah, I was trying to prevent engine.

Yeah. No, I think Symmertre's a great, uh, great. We're around to follow when you do the single A dead lift start. You're going to see there's definitely going to be a discrepancy left to right. One side, you'll have way more stability and balance and control and better form. The other side will probably be a little off. Super normal. Start with the, the shitty side. Okay. The side that you struggle with the stability and wherever your form breaks down. So even if you've got the strength to do more rest,

but wherever your form breaks down on that instable, that weak side, stop it there and mirror it on the opposite side. Don't let yourself be tempted to do more on the dominant side or don't start the exercise on the dominant side. Always start on the weak side first and then allow the dominant side to mirror whatever you can do on the weak side. The weak side is going to dictate how many reps and what the weight is.

Are you familiar with the windmill exercise? Is that not with dumbbells like a shoulder exercise, right? Well, you can use dumbbells. You can just do it with your body. So Justin did a webinar. I think it's, is it Maps Prime webinar? It's a Prime webinar. In there, he demonstrates a windmill test,

but you can do it as an exercise. I've found that for people who hurt their backs, deadlifting, the windmill is a wonderful exercise to help correct some of those issues. Because it oftentimes comes from the QL muscle, is where you get an imbalance or the rotational stability is a little off. So I like windmills for you as a way to prime your body before you deadlift. I love that.

I love that. I love that. I love that. Perfect. Okay. And in terms of the single leg, is it more of like, it's like a single leg RDL type deadlift? Go on, do you have Instagram? Yeah, I follow you. I'll just... in terms of the single leg, is it more of like, it's like a single leg RDL type deadlift work? Go on, do you have Instagram?

Yeah, I follow you, I'll just, I'll just scroll, it's not that far, it scroll, scroll down. There's bending in the knee, you're bending the knee and like you with with the deadlift. So it's not an RDL, it's a deadlift. Oh, I see, I think, yeah, okay, and I remember what you're, I've seen it on there, I know it's about that.

Okay, yeah, because I do, that's kind of the one thing I resorted to was the single leg stuff, especially, because I do, that's kind of the one thing I resorted to was the single-lake stuff, especially because I did notice almost right away. I'm a big golfer, so when I tried to reintroduce, like, I couldn't say a golf club really for like a month, so when I brought that back, I definitely noticed certain tension on one side of the body, even just like walking around. So I introduced more single-lake stuff, like, like CAC squats and just more lunges. And I probably should do a more, I don't do them every leg day, but I definitely should

make them more more consistent because I just like the way I feel when I do a more, but I do have sort of a, I one thing I'm trying to overcome is the mental aspect of like I said I pretty much run myself into the ground and at that point I was doing something literally seven days a week. I was in between jobs. I was working at a golf course where I was getting roughly in a day like 15 to 17,000 steps and I was running like four or five miles a day and lifting so I was super active

and then I switched jobs. And now I have like this mental block to where I, like before I had no problem getting every exercise I wanted to in a week because I was working out seven days a week, whereas like now I've cut it back, just listening to your podcast, I've cut it back to five

and I probably could cut it back a little more even. But yeah, so that's just something I'm trying to overcome, but definitely need to get more of that isolated stuff, isolated exercises into my regiment. Well, now you have a program, so map symmetry is all laid out. Perfect. Follow it to a T. So you can just follow and you'll be set. Perfect. And I did just have one more kind of, I feel like it could be a pretty simple answer,

but it's regarding like Yoll's opinion. I know you guys have your thoughts on like cardio and how it can be detrimental to building muscle. And I totally agree. Like I said, after running for a while when James did open back up in California, I was got me in a really dark place because I was the weakest I had been in maybe 10 years. So that was definitely one of those things I mentioned kind of helped me realize why I was being that way. But just had a question, is sprinting or say high intensity cardio as denture metal, the muscle building,

in the same way that extensive cardio is? If I just did sprints or I have a buddy who is actually firefighter and I sent him the clip of yours on the two podcasts ago about the firefighter training. So he gave that a listen. But he's like a firefighter and I sent him the clip of yours on the two podcasts to go about the firefighter training. So he gave that a listen, but he's like a big like telecon guy. He loves the high intensity ones, but he also wants to be one of your programs. So I was saying like how detrimental is like the short burst cardio compared to like long distance cardio. Well, here's a deal. Okay. If either one is appropriate, then then they're both going to be okay.

The hit training now hit style cardio is more anaerobic, but if you throw that on top of your routine and it pushes you into too much exercise over training, it's going to do the same thing. It's not going to be good. Okay. And then the other thing is hit cardio requires a lot more stability and skill and mobility. So if you don't run very well, slow for long distances, sprinting, you're gonna run even worse. And you're going hard and fast.

And so you'll hurt yourself. So those are things that pay attention to, but if you wanna throw in some cardio and it's appropriate, I think two or three days a week of 15 minutes of hit cardio is perfectly fine. And choose a method that for you doesn't require a ton of skill. Like if you feel more confident doing sprints on a bike,

then you can do that and you'll get great results. It doesn't have to be on a treadmill. Okay, perfect. Yeah, I get most of my cardio nowadays from golf or just walks in my girlfriend. So I'm gonna get, I'm gonna guess it was your, Dom, I'm gonna guess it was your QL. I'm gonna guess it was your QL because- So this is now that you said you have a golf swing

and it's dominant with one side. So Sal's earlier advice with windmills is essential, especially doing it with the other side that you don't rotate. Yes, yes, yes. Okay, that makes a lot of sense. And I played baseball my whole life too, so all of my turn is pretty much right to left.

Yeah, so going going getting into my left hip is by the way you'll you go to that webinar that Justin did that we just recommended go to that webinar watch it that watch the win meal. He did and actually perform that every time before you train and actually every time before you go every day. Oh yeah. For you go. Yeah. Okay. As much like you cannot do enough of that because you you you are so dominant one side. That'll really help prime your body before you go into golfing all day long or definitely work. Yeah. And I bet the pop you felt was on one side of your back a little bit right more to the right of the left. Is that correct? To be honest, I don't really remember where where I felt the pop,

I just remember the pressure being kind of on my right side afterwards Sounds like it sounds like QL I'm just I mean this is just me over the over the air down no sing I'd have to do more stuff But it sounds like QL especially with your baseball and golf so windmill I mean it's it's it's it's I'm like like I said I'm like in lower body lit really anything that requires load on my back or heavy leg stuff, like I'm as strong as it ever been right now, and that's, so I don't really, I think it's a lot of it is the bento block, but definitely think the symmetry stuff

is going to help also. All right, man, well, thanks for calling in. Perfect. Yeah, I appreciate you all. Thank you again for what you do and have a good rest of your day. Thank you. I'll tell you what, QL strain suck. Really bad.

It ruins a lot. You know what else we could have recommended were suitcase carries. It's like walking with a dumbbell and one side. Anti rotational stuff would be great for him too. I mean, there's a lot of stuff that you could go down there. Yeah, that makes so much sense now, like being so right side dominant. Sure. Rotational movement, it really is, you know, over the years and how long he's been doing that,

it has to play a massive factor in his imbalances. He gets good at the wind meal and gets good at single leg dead left. He's gonna see trunks. No, those two alone. Here, just get good at doing them. When did we drop symmetry? It's been enough to,

I'm getting DMs now from people who've been following it. So it's been a long enough, right? Where people have been able to borrow for a few months. Yeah, so, and I'm getting crazy, crazy DMs. I think the unilateral training, the focus on that and balancing right to left. So valuable for probably everybody, not just this guy, but probably everybody.

Yeah. Our next caller is Lorette from Pennsylvania. Hey Lorette, how can we help you? Hi, just wanted to say hello to you, Sal and Adam and Justin. It's been a pleasure listening to your podcast. I have been seeing my personal trainer nail for about two months and I'm following the maps and a bottle like a one face screen. And she gives me a lot of heavy weights.

She just piles on and piles on to the point where she is assisting me with all of my lifts. And I kind of want to know in I going in the right direction having her assist me with these lifts, or should I be trying to convince her more of trying to have me lift within the weights that's going to be easiest for me to get the 12 to 15 repetitions with that 30 second rest period. She says no just go heavy the whole idea is to make it burn go heavy. So I just want wanna get your take on things.

So, let me get the straight. She's good into it. She's literally helping you lift the weight because it's too heavy for you to lift. Oh, she's literally helping me lift the weight. We have, I have to do barbell pearls and she'll get under the barbell and help me lift. And I can't get, maybe I can do one repetition

but She's helping me and if I'm doing any type of cable work she'll Like stand behind me earlier because I had a session this morning and it's the cable chest press for standing She's behind me pulling the cable so that I can squeeze to get my workout in. And I just, I kind of feel like I need to be doing the work myself and working my way to lifting those plates. But so you're absolutely correct. Yeah, you're intuition.

You're intuition is right here. Yeah, so okay, so sometimes I tell people, hey, tell your trainer this and tell them that. And then sometimes, you need to fire this trainer. If they're doing all this. Yeah, that's my question. That's my question question should I fire my trainer? Yeah, you need to. They're not a good trainer because I would literally have

to coach in this trainer for. Well, I will, I will, I will. The, it's nice that she's letting you run maps in a ball, because some trainers are so adamant about not running somebody else's brain. But she's not running maps in a ball. No, we're in maps in a ball. She's doing maps in a ball. Yeah, no wearing the program does say, you know, have someone do forced. How did that go down? Did you twist her arm to let you follow it? How did how did that?

I'm curious to how that went down. No, she she was very receptive to following, um, Madison Obolic, but she piles on. We don't just start with 12 pounds. She just, you know, for shoulder shrugs today, we, she is paramitting me.

Every exercise, there's a pyramid. I'm not starting with one weight to try and get all the reps in. You know, we're doing 25. Let me move to 30. Then we go to 35. She says, it's got to burn. You have to push yourself. That's push yourself.

Oh, my God. I'm like, okay. And then it's got to burn. You have to push yourself. I push myself. Like, okay. And then that's not what the guy said. You know what? You know what's funny? I'm going to make a guess here. This trainer is either a new trainer. Yeah. She's or one of those old school or one of those old training. Okay. She's young. She's very young. You need to get a new trainer. Sorry.

I mean, here's a here's very young. You need to get a new train. I'm sorry. Sorry, that's right. I mean, here's a thing. Okay, so it wouldn't be bad. It wouldn't be bad if she was spotting maybe the last rep or two or so. Okay, here's the thing, when I was training clients, I would pick a weight that would challenge you that you could probably do close to, if not for sure, on your own, the say the 15 reps.

And as soon as my clients form maybe sort of deviate, I would get under the bar and guide the weight so they could keep that rhythm going. But if you're struggling by rep three, if it's already hard for you at rep three and she's having to help you all the way to 15, that's way too heavy. Yeah, and to be honest with you,

towards the end of my career when I got really good, if I saw clients form breakdown and they didn't complete the reps that we were aiming for, I would go like, yeah, yeah, I would go like, so she's training you too hard, the intensity is too high, and it's a recipe for disaster. So either you're gonna over say,

or you're gonna hurt yourself. Yeah, I've been asking her, can we just lower the intensity a little bit? No, no, we have to go hard, we have to over say, I have, or you're going to hurt your skin. I've been asking her, can we just lower the intensity a little bit? No, no, we have to go hard. We have to go hard. She's really, we have to go hard. We have to go hard and drink her rock style for she's training. Yeah. I mean, so I, you know, I will say on a positive side, I have been training with her for a month and during that time my

muscle mass has increased by 2%, my fat percentage has gone down by 2% and I've gained two pounds. So I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. Well, before you trained with her were you doing a lot of exercise or was this kind of you're, were you just getting started with it? No, I, you know, I have been exercising me. My journey started about 28 years ago, but over COVID, that's when everything went haywire. So I'm back in the gym now that gyms are open and just trying to get, get back into the flow of exercising,

but I was doing it on my own. And I thought that I needed someone to push me more. And that's why I went with a personal training. Yeah, no, so, so you're, you, you improved in spite of the, uh, the, the terrible training that she's giving you. And you'll get that when you first start, when people first start, their body progress is almost no matter what. I mean, you really have to kill someone to get their body and not

responsible. And that plus you, you, a really an athlete in the past, you said you worked out for a long time. I did, yeah, and just but, you know, I'm an older person, I just say, but, yeah, I did, I started and, you know, I was at 15%. This was in my late, early 30s, into my 40s.

And, you know, it's been really difficult, changed life, COVID, all of that. And it all hit me two years ago. So I'm trying to, you know, improve a little bit and see if I get my strength back, sleep spend difficult. So, but it's getting better. So I'm not happy about that, but I'm really being taken through the ringer with my workouts, with my trainer, as much as I love her, taken through the ringer with my workouts, with my trainer, as much as I love her, I think she's tried to kill me, but I'm not in any pain

or anything like that. So as long as I'm not dying, maybe it's okay, but I really, really wanted to, I mean, I can do it at home. I really can. I have. I would, I do miss. No, Laura, I would, it's, it's too hard and it's, it's heading in the wrong direction. It's only been a month. So you're getting away with it, but it's not going to end well, so I would definitely change directions. And then here's a piece of advice for hiring a trainer. This is for you and for anybody else watching this. Do not hire a trainer to push you.

That's the wrong reason. You want a hire trainer who's going to guide you. You don't need a drill sergeant to hammer you all the time. First of all, it's a very ineffective long-term approach. At some point, you don't want somebody yelling at you, and you're going to be over it. And your body's not going to respond anymore. So, if you do hire another trainer, look at them like a guide. Is this the person that's going to guide me to developing this lifelong relationship with

exercise where it's appropriate and effective forever? that's gonna guide me to developing this lifelong relationship with exercise where it's appropriate and effective forever. Is this person gonna push me to my absolute limits in a short period of time? I don't mind a trainer for the accountability piece, but not to put, right? Because I get that part, right? I'm like that.

I know if I invest my money into something, I'm gonna show up, right? I don't know if you're like that or not, but that's how I am. If I spend $1,000 on this personal trainer, I'm gonna show up, right? I don't know if you're like that or not, but that's how I am. If I spend $1,000 on this personal trainer, I'm not gonna miss that appointment because I wanna lose my money. I don't mind that.

I get that. I think there's value in having an accountability piece, but hiring someone did push you like that. You're just showing up and going through Maps and Obolic. It's gonna do the work. Honestly, the things that you and I would be communicating if you were climbing, especially since you had a shift in change since COVID, like what's your work-life balance?

I'd be talking about sleep, I'd be talking about the things actually outside the gym. That's going on in your life. How's our balance nutritionally, how's our stress levels like? That's the type of stuff. I mean, what you're gonna do in the gym, I think that's the mistake that a lot of clients

wouldn't think is that it's such a small portion of your life of the distinction of the day. Yeah, it's such a small fraction of what's really going to impact your overall health and how strong you get and how much muscle and how much body fat we lose, it's all the other things. And so you and I really, why we'd be going through maps in a bulk

and we'd be talking the whole time. Yeah, you would be able to talk to me in rest periods and I'd be asking you questions about your week and what's going on and like, you'd be a guide. I would be diving into that stuff. That's a good coach will do that with you. Especially if you've got Maps and Abolok,

you've already got a great program so you don't even need the trainer to write a great program for you got that. I'd be diving into the other stuff with you. So if you are to seek out another coach Look for someone who's going to look into that what your stuff outside of the gym because you've got the program already Okay, very good and I think the last part of my question had to do with just how crowded the gyms are we spend a lot of time Walking around the gym trying to find you know all the equipment we're looking for there's a lot of time walking around the gym, trying to find all the equipment we're looking for.

There's a lot of times when the squat racks are full, and we have to go somewhere else. And we can't find a cable machine, we can't find. So I don't get my whole workout in. And then I find the second half of the workout, I have to do when I go home. So, you know, I'm looking for some alternatives for those exercises. I can't do when the gym is full.

And then I'm also thinking about just going back home. I don't have a rack to do to put the barbell on, but I do have two barbells and plates and things like that and dumbbells, kettlebells, all of these stretchy bands. Well, Lorette, so. Lorette, maps that a ball in the program. When you open it, there's a dumbbells only version in there.

So what I would do at the gym is when you're trying to work out and all the racks are taken, do the dumbbells only version of that exercise? Or you can always find a pair of dumbbells. Or train at home. Or train at home, I should say. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you train at home, if you do. But I mean, you can always find a pair of dumbbells

that'll work for all these, so there are options. So if you go and you're like, oh man, I don't have this rack, I don't have this exercise, find the dumbbells only version of it. Lauren, are you, are you? Well, now that's when the dumbbell area is completely full. Oh, man. The ladies have, and the ladies in the guys, they have maybe two or three sets of dumbbells

at their bench. And just horrible. Good old gym. I'm talking about, yes, it's just primetime. I have to run through the gym. Yeah, I feel that for sure. Lauren, are you on Facebook? I am. Yeah. Let's, let's add you to the gym. Yeah, I feel that I feel that for sure. Are you are you on Facebook?

Do you I am? Yeah, let's let's add you to the forum. I'd love to be able to stay in touch with you as you're going through this process. And so the guys and I love that. Yeah, we're going to add you the forum. So you're in there. Okay. Any any more questions that you have going through this process? Just tag us and we'll help we'll help guide you through this. So. All right. I really appreciate it guys. Thank you so much. And congratulations to a great job you do with your program, your podcast.

So I started from the very beginning. You guys are hilarious. Oh, God. Oh, God. We were right. We were right back there. You're a real fan. I have an episode 868.

So when you don't have a new episode, I just go back to all of your old your Older version we have extra love we have extra love for people that have stuck around I really enjoy your are people for sure. Thank you so much Thank you so much guys Man, I can't believe trainers still do that You can't, yeah, bye. Man, I can't believe trainers still do that. I'm worried.

A hundred percent trainers working out. You know, you know it's a new one because if it was, if it was an old stubborn one, they would have never let her run at maps and a ball. But that's true. Oh, good point. She's, she's young and new enough to be like, oh, okay. We'll add to it. Sure. Yeah. I'm making crazy. I'm trying. Oh my God.

I've seen all the reps for her. I had a trainer like that that worked for me. And you know, she did a good job getting clients. And I remember I had to have a tough conversation with her and I sat her down. I said, you're beating your clients up too much. She's like, well, people always sign up with me. I said, and then they leave.

They burn out. And so I had to keep having this conversation and then it became so obvious to her. She said, you know what, I think you're right. I need to kind of scale it. But her thought process was, well, it's intensity. This is what workouts are about. They got to be strong.

It's not me. It's them. It's their discipline. I'm like, no, it's not working. Listen, the most important part, this is for our audience, listen right now. The most important, when hiring a trainer or a worker, the most important part is, is good programming. Once you have good programming, just following it to you.

There's no need, the over-hype on the intensity thing that you see on social media. I need my trainer to push. You don't need that. And then you know what the bulk of the focus is, is all the other shit. Absolutely. You show up to the gym three days a week,

you follow Maps and a ball. I don't care if you follow Maps and a ball, can you never break a fucking sweat? You just follow that program to a tee, and then you focus on all the other things that are going on in your life. You'll see so much more results than trying to think that it's all in that hour,

that hour that you're in the gym. If I could just do more or hit it harder or go to failure or increase my intensity, but then you neglect all the other stuff. Good luck. Yep. Our next caller is Sky. Sky, what's happening? How can we help you?

And our next caller is Sky. Sky, what's happening? How can we help you? So, hi guys, first of all. So I've been a trainer for about three weeks now. And well, last time I talked to you guys, I was still doing my school for training. So that's awesome that I got certified and got hired and stuff. So the first week I shadowed some trainers and I noticed that nobody had a

written workout for their clients. Nobody really wrote down what their clients reps were or their sets or what weight they're using. So I was just wondering how important it is to track your clients workouts before they come in and then while you're working out with them also. Okay, so tracking workouts, I think it's important to an extent. Okay, it's important because you want to be able to look back and you want to show the client progress. Sometimes a client will be like, oh, you know, am I doing better and then you can show them and say,

actually you did two more reps, you added way, you're doing, you know, this different, that different. So that's where the importance is. But what some trainers do is they get so hung up on tracking all the details of the workout that they become so focused on progressing performance that they don't pay attention to other things. Cause progress with performance, strength, reps, that kind of stuff, it's not linear.

In the beginning it is, but eventually it kind of waivers and if you train someone for three, four, five years, they're not going to keep getting stronger. So you want to pay attention to other things. So that would be the thing I'd pay attention to. So yeah, you could track that stuff, but don't let it be the be-all end-all. It's definitely good information,

but you also want to pay attention to their energy, how they feel, their mobility, their consistency, their moods, their health, that they look vibrant, like those are the other things that you want to pay attention to as well. I think it's especially important for new trainers. And I think it's a discipline that,

they should show professionalism by really caring, by doing the work in terms of like being able to see patterns, be able to understand your client on that level and keep track and be able to refer to them later on. But as you grow and develop more as a trainer, you start to see these patterns automatically. And you start to really peer into more of the behaviors that they're presenting and how to kind of move and do subtle things that will move the needle quite substantially more. But I still think this is one of those sort of pillars in the beginning that is just a discipline that's just a good practice. So you're able to understand people's individual variances

and needs more specifically by writing down that data and not just winging it. I think if you were to look at probably all of us, if you were to peer in when we first started as trainers, I'm pretty certain that you would have caught all of us with clipboards tracking. If you would have catch, if one of us were to train a client right now, you probably wouldn't see that.

Yeah. And that's just because years and years of understanding what Sal was talking about, like, yeah, it's good to have this data. So I get an idea when I see certain things, like, oh, wow, all these things, all these numbers are going down. That's a sign of this or that. You have to learn all that. Once you learn all that, then you see the cues on people

because you've done it for so long. So when I was coaching, when I had trainers working underneath me, I would want that when they're first starting off. And the only other time I'd probably get onto a trainer who wasn't tracking like that is if I felt like they looked distracted while my client was training with them.

That's the other thing that the nice thing about carrying a clipboard and writing down, they look attentive where some trainers are get lazy and they don't have a clipboard, they don't have a stopwatch, they're not really watching a client's form. They're over there sipping on their Starbucks or looking at the cute girl that walk by and it's like, that looks awful. You know what I'm saying? I don't care how long you've been training for

and how intuitive you think you can train your clients. If it looks unprofessional to my members, you're fucking up my business. So then I got a problem with it. But if you've been doing this for long enough, I wouldn't expect that. I didn't expect that from you. I would never, when Justin worked for me,

he had already been training a long time. I wouldn't come over to him and be like, hey, where's your clipboard? Why don't you write these stats down? I trust his ability to be able to guide his clients. But he was also very attentive with his clients. If he was leaning on the machine, sipping on a latte, I'd have a different conversation with him.

Yeah, since you're new to, and I know you're mirroring or kind of following around other trainers, find the trainer that you admire the most, that you think is the most successful both in terms of you know, client satisfaction and business and pay attention to what they're doing that you think is working. Okay, that's that's a really, really great way to learn. Okay, it doesn't

mean you have to do everything that they do. In fact, they probably do stuff that doesn't work as well. But pay attention and say, what are they doing that's working? What's making what are some of the things that makes this trainer successful with their clients? And it might just be that they can change their personality based on the client or that they tend to be in a great mood or that they have great record keeping. Pay attention to those things because that'll really help guide you.

And you're also going to see opportunities where you can sort of fill a lot of those gaps and where you don't see trainers doing certain things you think might help in terms of adding value. And your clients are going to see that and potential clients are going to see what you do differently. So I was always looking at what they weren't doing and what I could improve upon and show the level of service I could present that would just blow everybody else out of the door. And that's how I got most of my business. So 100% agree with that.

Yeah. I'm reading right now the whole question that you sent over. And I see the angle you're coming from. Like, that's how I would actually reframe the way you're looking at this. Instead of looking at it like, oh my god, they all suck or they're terrible. They don't do a good job. You're like, oh, yeah. There's a lot of opportunity for me to blow all these guys away

because they're not doing it. So for me, okay, I came in, I had no education. I was going through my first national certification. I was only 19, just barely turning 20 years old. So everybody was smarter and more experienced than I was, yet within three months, I was the top trainer. And it was because of these types of things. Nobody was paying attention to their client.

Nobody had energy when they were with them. Very few trainers showed up on fucking time. It was like, I saw all these opportunities on how to be more professional, more enjoyable trainer, and I wasn't even as good. They were all better than I was, but they were dropping the ball on so many things that I saw that were easy.

It didn't take more education for me to show up on time. It didn't take more education or experience for me to be more in tune to my client while I was training them. So when you see those things, instead of you being like, the attitude of like, oh my god, they suck or oh, they're just like, oh wow, this is for opportunity. Opportunity for me to step in and be that good because they're all dropping the ball.

All of them are being undeniable. Totally. Because I'll tell you what, you go to it. So Justin, after he left 24-Afinis, he went over to a private facility and they were all elite trainers. Talk about, that's a worse situation for a new trainer because it's intimidating.

You look at there and everybody, they're checking all the boxes. They're smart, they're warming up correctly, they're all on time. They're trying to marketing themselves, right? So you would much rather, like, you go into a commercial gym and you see everybody drop in the ball.

That, to me I'm licking my chops opportunity. Yeah real soon here. I'm gonna be the top dog Sky do you have a maps prime and prime pro because those are really valuable programs for trainers. I do So don't yell at me. Ah Not another one I love it. Good job, Sky. Appreciate good luck. Good luck being a good trainer Yeah, and use show them what time it is. Hey, I guarantee Appreciate it. Good luck. Good luck being a good trainer. Hey, and show them what time it is.

Hey, I guarantee you there's a probably huge opportunity right there with Prime and Prime Pro. I bet very few people prime their clients before they wake out. Take it through assessments. That's a huge, different, you know, factor. Can I ask one more question? Yeah, you can. So I've been having some trouble with the new clients that I'm getting about

like the balance between letting them kind of do what they want with the workout and them not really listening to what I have to say. So like like a goal would be strength and they kind of try to turn the work at into a body pump. Yeah, and I tell them, come for the questions. That's a confidence thing, Sky. That's a calm, let's calm it with the truck. It is, but here's a thing though. This is also the motivation behind why we started this. We, I don't know if you followed.

You know that we have a Mind Pump Clips YouTube channel. So it is, so we have three channels on YouTube. And we just started the Mind mind pump clips where we break up These short things were and I bet we've already covered this Andrew maybe Andrew can look for while we're talking right now But send a client us talking about you don't even need to like when I was when I was in your spot when I was just coming up One of the things I did really good was where I recognize where man I didn't have the words to articulate this but I knew someone who did and I wasn't afraid to use their there if I respected their opinion and like their knowledge their experience use us like that

Inter like send the clip to them and if you're not getting through to them or watch it and learn Yeah, of course you obviously you're gonna have to watch it yourself to find the clip right? So and that's how you'll learn though is you you listen to us talk about it and explain it enough times. You'll start to put it in your own words, but don't hesitate to use all this free material that we're giving you guys as coaches and trainers. A lot of trainers in our form, that's what they do is they take, instead of them trying to put the words, you're like, here, these guys have been doing this for 20 fucking years.

Let them communicate what I'm trying to say to her. Yeah, but the confidence thing's a big one, Sky, because these people hire you, and what they want from a trainer is they want the trainer to tell them the path and what they need to do. Okay, and there's a line here, right? You don't want to be a dictator, but at the same time, you got to be confident.

So I've never had a client question me when I say, hey, come here, we're doing this exercise. Like, okay, I'll follow you. No, I want to do 50 reps. No, no, we're going to do five. And then we do, well, why are we doing five? And then I'll explain, like when they feel confident because you're confident, they'll do what you say. If they feel hesitation, then they're going to, they're going to, they're going to, they're going to push you around and they're going to tell you what they want to do. So you got to be, you're the leader, you're the coach, you tell, and you can say that by the way, when they do this and they push back, say, look, John, you hired me because you want me to guide you.

You gotta do what I say. You gotta trust me. I promise you won't, I will never have to ask for you to again to trust me if you just trust me this one time. Like you gotta be confident like that, because then the person's gonna wanna follow you. Nobody follows somebody that doesn't look like they wanna lead, right? So that's the confidence you have to display. And look, you're the trainer. So you gotta put that out there, and then you're not gonna get those questions.

That's really easily said by somebody who's very confident and has no problem talking to you, though, okay? So don't be afraid. I didn't say it's easy, but that's what you gotta do. Yeah, you'll get there. It's okay for you to utilize people like us until you build that confidence, or while you build that confidence.

Oh, that'll help, because it's gonna give you the information. That's right, and that's exactly how I built my business, was I didn't have the word yet, I didn't have the education yet, I didn't have the experience yet. I got it by leaning on people that I knew that were more experienced, more intelligent than I I was listened and read and paid attention and when I ran into situations

like this where I couldn't get through to a client that I couldn't articulate what I was trying to get across, I would find it. And I sent back then there wasn't YouTube videos I was sending, I'm sending like articles, you know, read this article with it to explain what I'm trying to communicate to them why I want them to do this. So utilize this like that. It'll help build that confidence. All right. All right.

Thanks for calling in, Sky. Thank you guys so much for everything. Good luck. Thank you. Man, that's so common with young trainers or new trainers. And imagine if you took your money to someone to invest for you and you're like, I'd like to invest this money. Look, what do you want to do? And I'm like, wow, I don't know. I mean, imagine if you took your money to someone to invest for you and you're like, I'd like to invest this money. What do you want to do? I'm like, well, I don't know. I mean, what do you think? You know, like, well, shit, man, you tell me, dude, you're

the guy. So that's it. You got you got to put that out as a trainer when you're training your clients. You have to, you have to put out there that you're going to do my workout. You hired me for and you got to be okay saying that. What's the worst possible thing that's going to happen? You do client-assets. What do you do client-assets? You do client-assets. What do you do client-assets?

You do client-assets. You do client-assets. You do client-assets. You do client-assets. You do client-assets. You do client-assets. You do client-assets. You do client-assets.

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when I'm 20 years old and they want sometimes, they want you to explain the detail. Not just tell me what to do. They want why, why Adam and I, am I having, why do you want me to rest for two minutes when I'm not sweating very much? And I didn't have the words yet, bro. Yeah, you got to have the idea.

So I had to convince, I had to convince say, let's we're going to do this and I would do that. But then I get pushed back sometimes by these very intelligent people when I wasn't there yet that would go, well, why are we doing this? Why aren't I doing this instead? And then I'd be like, ah, right, right, right.

So that's what, and so I can relate to not having the words. She doesn't strike me as a not a confident person, even the way she wrote her question and the way she's talking. I don't think she's not confident. But when you're that early on in your career, sometimes you don't have the words to explain while you're telling the truth.

Knowledge contributes to confidence, because then you know you have answers. So that's definitely a big component. But put the hustle on the education piece. Yeah, just keep gathering information and data and sign up for courses. Well, that's a good point. I mean, we've gone over a lot of,

you have almost everything. If you're a trainer and you literally Google and then put in the thing, whatever it is, and we're talking about pump and we put mine pump and then that and a YouTube video, a blog, a white paper, a podcast. Yeah, 99% of the time it will pop up, you will find something. And then listen,

listen and learn right there. And then utilize that as a way to communicate those until you find the words and the confidence to be able to have that conversation. Look, if you like our show, head over to mindpumpfree.com. Check out our guides. We have guides that can help you with almost any health or fitness. Cool. You can also find all of us on social media. So Justin is on Instagram at my pump. Justin, Adam is on Instagram on my pump. Adam, and you can find me on Twitter at my pump. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump.

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