Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1871: The Connection Between Increased Hunger & Muscle Growth\, How to Train a Muscle You DON’T Want to Grow, the Benefits of Unilateral Training & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: August 3, 2022

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Here's a good rule of thumb when it comes to strength training. What you train, you strengthen. Okay, so why is this important? Well, if you have bad form when you work out, guess what form you're going to strengthen and make stronger, the bad form. I see the angle you're going with. Definitely. Welcome to the show. My name's Sal Desafino, Captain Arnie. I'm sorry. It's kind of how I felt when I saw it.

We're in that direction. That's so profound. Well, okay, so let's back up for a second. What, why is bad form, like Chrome quote, bad form? Why is it considered bad, right? If you look at the human body, there are ways that it can move that will minimize or negate risk of injury or wear and tear issues,

joint pain, that kind of stuff. And then you can move and veer away from that and gain more and more risk for things like tendonitis and pain and joint issues and that kind of stuff. And if your form is off perfect or off good, if it's closer to bad, and you're not paying attention to it, and you're just getting stronger, at the moment you don't feel any pain.

So you add 10 pounds to that lift, another 10 pounds that lift. And before you know what you're doing, crazy PRs with not great form, risk of injury goes through the roof, and then to try to go back to train good form, it's almost like it's at a unlearn. Your body has to unlearn all that crap that you've taught it over the last two years to try to reverse it.

So it was really a little bit worse at this. Well, mainly because it's like, they've perfected a lot of the ways to compensate around a lot of these movements and get really good and effective at their body's recruitment in a not so optimal way. But to be able to kind of reverse out of that, it's like almost having to relearn an entire new language.

So would you say this flies in the face of the idea of any form of exercise is better than no exercise? Yeah, that's such a, that's too much of a sweeping statement, right? I get where it comes from, because general activity is better than not being active, but we all know, like someone could train so poorly that it's better that they sit on the couch, right?

They could train so poorly that they damaged their body and hurt themselves and cause a lot of problems. Well, one thing too, I noticed, so my dad had to have knee surgery and knee replacement surgery. But one thing I was trying to coach him up, like going leading into, is like, let's get to the root of your daily habits

and what you're actually doing with exercises that are leading into that problem. Like, let's find that out because, you know, you might replace the actual like parts, but you know, the same problems can persist if we don't address, you know, what's been leading down that road of like non optimal type of recruitment patterns. You've been, yes. And you know, the analogy I use in the past in the past of a sliding glass door on a track. And if it's perfectly balanced on the track, that track's not going to have lots of wear and

tear. It's going to take a long time, especially if it's lubricated properly and a lot of stuff. But if it's off track just a little bit, in a very short period of time, you start to see wear and tear and chewing up of that track. And the more you push it, the worse that damage is in the coming. So what if you just go replace the track, but never fix the balance? You're going to keep running into those issues. You know that?

It's inevitable. You just maybe laugh right now because that stupid analogy is so stuck in my head that you use that because I'm dealing with this. So sand from my house blows in the tracks of my. So just little grains of sand in my face is popping. And it's enough to get my the track off of my side. And I'm grinding the shit out of it. And every time I do that, I can't help but think

this is a stupid analogy to Sally uses about just barely being off the slightest bit and how the wear and tear on it. But that's literally what's happening right now. These sliding glass doors that are brand new, like what, a year, not even a year and a half. And they're getting messed up. And they're getting messed up because the,

we have a lot of wind out there and it blows sand. And the sand gets in the little bits of the track like that. And then the track is slightly off and then it's starting to grind it. And they feel, they slide like they're 40 year old sliding, but they're only year old. And every time I find myself fighting with it, that's the thing that goes through my head every time.

You just reminded me of it saying that. Just think about me all the time. You know, I had a client once, I remember where she was a business person executive and she always wore heels. She liked the way they look, whatever. And we had identified some movement pattern issues. And so she said, you know what I'm gonna do?

I'm gonna start wearing flats for a while. But she went from heels to flats too quickly and she developed issues with her feet. She started to plant her fasciitis. I'm like, oh, that's gonna take time to work back because you have to unlearn. Your body has to unlearn recruitment patterns and it's developed tightness in particular areas

and compensations in other areas. And so we gotta kinda unlearn that. So the reason why I'm saying this is if you don't focus on your technique and form now and you're not because you're like, I'm just getting stronger, I'm getting great results. And you know, that little bit of nagging pain is not a big deal if I warm up or massage it. I'm going to keep going. Not only are you kicking the can down the road, you're creating a potentially bigger problem later on because I only try and back out. Man, it's going to take a while. Like when I went When I went from, I did lift it for so long,

I love deadlifting, right? But I went for so long with this alternate grip with the right hand forward, left hand back, that when I had developed, I saw some pictures of myself from the back, and I saw a little bit of a developmental issue in my erector spin amussels. So then I went to this kind of double overhand hook grip.

Do you know how long it took me to get used to be able to pull this way where it didn't inflame my arm and cause problems? Because I had gotten so strong with doing it a particular way. It took me like two years of training a particular way. Had I just done that right out the gates, I would have not lost those two years of trying to fix it.

That's what I tell you. Like if you get into like a sport like golf, like how important it is to have like a coach like set you up from the very beginning. Don't they say it's harder to teach someone to swing? Oh yeah. Yeah. If you've already if you've already started to swing and get some sort of contact to have to unlearn all those bad habits to start them all over, it's like already start it's like starting back square. What about how frustrating is that if you've been playing golf for three or four years with your buddies trying to get better and better and then

all of a sudden you decide, okay, I'm gonna get better and better. And then I'll say and you decide, okay, I'm gonna take this really serious. You get a golf coach and he's like, okay, everything you're doing is wrong. Like, let's start here and then you get the completely refreshing. Oh, no. Yeah, I brought this up like before,

but like when I was learning guitar on my own and I didn't set myself up for success with that, it like totally capped my potential. And it's like at a certain point it catches up to you. You can only work with what you've created for so long. And that's one of a frustration I've had with it because it's like, man, if I would have just taken the time to really learn how to hold my hand properly,

like work my way through scales, like all that kind of stuff. But to go back, it's like I'm starting all over. I'm so glad you said that's why I'm a rock star. I'm so glad I'm here. I'm here. I'm talking so that Justin and you gave that analogy of capping your potential because sometimes when we talk about this I don't ever want to come off like we're we're fear mongering people from lifting exercise. Oh my god. Listen to my pump. I'm so afraid to exercise or do anything. I don't want to hurt myself, right? I don't ever want to come off that way.

But what you just said is to me, that's the minimal thing that will happen if you don't address this. You're capital. If you just say, okay, I'm gonna go exercise F with the guy say, and some exercises better than no exercise, and you decide that's your attitude. Okay, well, maybe you go and you don't get hurt,

and maybe you lose a few pounds, but you will cap your potential of what you could have reached had you blade the solid foundation. Think about this way. You already know how to use a shovel, okay? But there's a month training course to learn how to use a backhoe. And you're like, no, I just want to start digging right now.

Initially, you're going to dig faster with the shovel, but you're only going to get so fast. You're only going to be able to dig so much because a backhoe's so much because the back host is so much more efficient. And so that's kind of what we're communicating. There's efficiencies, there's injury risk, there's potential, and proper technique and form has been established as the best

ways to get your maximum potential. And you're right, Adam, at the very least, maybe you don't hurt yourself, which I think you will over time, but maybe you don't, well, you're just never going to get to your full potential. Anyway, I gotta tell you guys a story that, very frustrating for me and laughable, very, very laughable.

So I gotta tell you, I'm gonna paint the picture. Laughable while you're in it or now after. While I'm in it and afterwards. And it's just one of those, I just don't understand it. I don't get it. So I'll paint the picture first. So we had just bought some new couches for our living room area. And so the old first. So we had just bought some new couches for our living room area.

And so the old couches that we had is really nice, long couches. They have the, like, what are they? Electronic powered to, so you can recline. So big, heavy couches. They're nice, but Jessica wanted new ones. We've kind of changed the style. So we bought some new ones.

And my parents are like, hey, we'll take those old ones. So I'm like, perfect. We'll give you guys these old ones. So my dad was supposed to come and pick them up and I'm supposed to help them and all that stuff. And then he gets COVID, right? So my dad had COVID. He was sick for, and it wasn't severe, but he was out. He was out for about a week and a half. And you know, while he's sick, he's like, I don't feel good. And he's like, you know, after he started getting a little better, I hate it. I feel so weak. I haven't been able to move, I have low energy or whatever.

Finally, symptoms were mostly gone, he tested negative for a few days in a row. And so he's like, hey, let me come pick up those couches. I said, all right, dad. So my parents show up. And as soon as my dad, he brings his, he has a work van, right? And we're gonna do one couch at a time

because we couldn't fit both. So as soon as he gets out of the van, he gets out and he's kind of walking cricket. So it might, for a lot of people that know my dad's got like arthritis up and down his spine and he's been on disability for a while. He's been working hard labor since he was nine years old. So already he's walking out kind of like this and I'm helping him stretch his back or whatever and he's like, oh, I feel terrible. I've been sitting on the couch all week or whatever. So I'm like, okay, you know, that's kind of sucks. And he's like, let's go get these,

let's go get these couches and put them in the van and take them to my house and whatever. So we're picking up these big ass awkward ass couches. Now, remember my dad walk and kind of cricket because his back hurts. He's 67 years old, just got over COVID. We're picking these couches, we're carrying them into the van. And I mean, the underneath the couch is very awkward

to hold. It's like a wood plank. My fingers feel like the circulation's cutting off. I feel like my bottom on my biceps starting to strain. And I'm looking at my dad and he's like whistling. Literally whistling, as we're walking. So I'm like, this, what the fuck? All right, whatever. Load up in the van, take it to his house.

We gotta take the couch out of his old couch out, maneuvering around the hallway through the doors doors have to pick up this entire time My dad's like it's like he's just chilling and I'm in pain my hands hurt. I start laughing And my dad's like why are you laughing? I said I don't understand how I said you just got over COVID you're 67 I've seen your x-rays you got our threads all over the place How in the hell are you able to do this and we just start cracking up and I get home I tell my son and remember I told you times when my dad did that demonstration And we're just saying they're like I don't understand. I didn't get that. I don't know where those genetics went

Obviously there is obviously there is a genetic component, but do you think there's like a generational thing there too? Yes, like we were before we got on air. I was showing. I was showing you guys the documentary that came out recently, the Nolan Ryan one of the things called facing Nolan on Apple TV. It was really good. And you know, you're talking about a guy who pitched into his mid 40s. He was setting records in his mid 40s still throwing 105 108 mile an hour fastball pitch to no hitter in his 40s playing a whole game Yeah, and yeah playing foot back so back in his time. Okay nowadays pictures come out after a pitch count like every team Has like okay this guy once he gets to 105. I don't care how good of a game is I don't care what's going on You know, you know they pull them out less. It's maybe the world series

I mean 99% of the time they pulled it guy out. Back then it wasn't like that. If you're pitching a good game, you pitch the whole game. Even if it went 14, 15, 16 innings, you pitch. And so he grew up in that era and they talk about like him playing and pain was just normal. He just, back then it was just assumed that this is very hard on your body. Part of what makes you great is the ability to go through all that.

And I sometimes think that that must be like a generation. I think so. Didn't Nolan Ryan you said grow up on a farm and you all that. Yeah. All that training. I think that plays a role too because you know as I was talking to my dad about this nice like I said I started laughing. He's like why are you laughing?

And I'm like I lift weights five days a week. I've been training hard since I was 14. I could pull 550 pounds off the ground, maneuvering and carrying this heavy-ass couch. I feel like my hands are gonna break. You know, I'm hurting, my back sore. I'm like, I saw you get out of the car, you already have a hurt back, you've been sick,

and you're doing this, and we're laughing. And he goes, you know, he goes, you don't, you go, is the way I grew up. And they start telling me stories about when he was 14 years old. When he was 14 years old, they would dig, they'd have to dig holes. And it was, all day long, and he goes, it was so hot, we'd be in our underwear doing this and just digging. And then he tells me the story of his cousin. He goes, I have a cousin who was older than him.

He goes, if you look at him, you think yourself, this guy's going to die. Sunk then, you know, remember, they were poor, very low nutrition. He's like, the guy weighed maybe 110 pounds. He goes, by a swear to god, he would dig holes from 6 a.m. to 6 p.m. nonstop. And we used to always laugh, like, how does this guy keep doing it? And he goes, I was just, he goes, it was just different. We just grew up different. Yeah, I mean, my mom's like that a bit too.

It's just the go, go work horse, like always just doing things. I think too, and I brought this up before, but like farm, like anybody that grew up on a farm that played football, like hands down were some of the best athletes I've ever been a part of. Like they're just like the toughest, you know, they could handle the most.

They were always fresh in the fourth quarter. And I really just think it's just that exposure of just constant labor and like being able to like understand leverage, like being able to just grid it out and like having the work capacity, like all those factors of like, you know, just decades of mastering all of those little uncomfortable situations,

like it's set them up to be like Excel passer. But I think it's the discipline to get out consistently. For sure. Early, it doesn't matter about the weather. The all of the stuff that you do on a farm, so much of it is this like grinding long isometric type of strength. We talk about the importance of like grip strength, stuff like that. Like working on it. Oh, you're ever short. You shake one of their hands.

Yeah. It's like you're grabbing a brick. You shake it and you're short. Yeah. Right. I can't say that properly. I was thinking about it. You know, talking about generations. So I read an interesting article about Gen Z. Supposedly, we are starting to see a shift

in the usage of social media. Like how? Going the opposite direction. Using less? Yes. Oh wow. And this is the first time that I have seen anything come out in regards to that.

Most everything has been like it's getting crazier longer hours more time. That's interesting. They are starting. So according to this article, they're starting to use some of these popular platforms less and less for interacting with friends. So for example, if maybe they're on Instagram still, but they use it just to follow their handful, like, super Instagram celebrities. So they're still using it to consume some content, but not interact and really utilize and be active, you would say on that. Yeah, they're not, and they're using more, there's actually a platform called Be Real that I'm not even familiar with that is a more common platform they use to interact

with each other. And I just think that's because they're quickly figuring out with what we see happening right now where people are digging up old tweets and old things and they're like, you know what, we gotta get away from this, like putting our stuff out there for the whole world to see and if we're gonna communicate things like that, be it more private.

Yeah, more private. Sure, they use these platforms a little bit to see what's going on, but they're not as active as with the previous public. Yeah, as the previous generation. That gives me hope, man. Yeah, like rebelling against a lot of this, like over arching, like we wanna see every little last thing

that you're doing, like that, a music kid, I would freak me out. I'd be like, I just wanna hang out my friends and do my own thing. Well, I'm gonna crap on some of this here for a second. Not specifically, but just the hope part, because I just read an article, and this is happening all over the world.

This younger generation is coming up, and I know it's becoming a problem in Korea, in China, in the US, where this generation is coming up, and they're just, they don't want to work. They're just chill, just they want to live a basic life. I just want to make just enough, so I could play video games and hang out. This is actually becoming an issue in China, Japan, and Korea. I've been reading. And here in the US, there's

this new thing called, I think it's called like quiet quitting or I'm going to look it up right now. There's a term for it where they, oh, yeah, quiet quitting. Have you heard of this term? A quiet quit? No. It's the most passive aggressive, wimpy, weak thing I've ever heard of my entire life. You work at a company and you're like, you know what? I'm not gonna quit, but I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna really put much effort. I'm gonna do the bare minimum, collect my check

and then just kinda do my thing. And if they fire me, they fire me. And they called quiet quit. It's so weak. And it's this big thing. I mean, that shit's been happening forever, but they've actually, they have a term for it. You have a term for it.

And it's now like a popular thing to do. Yeah, and they're saying it's because, you know, oh, work is, you know, it's not all that's got, you know, cut out to be, why should I perform for this company when I don't care? And I think that's so insane. I've never had a job. I didn't try.

I mean, I worked a lot of, I mean, I washed dishes and I did a lot of stuff. Well, I don't think I was in my passion. I think we were in an interesting time where if you're somebody in your 20s or even teens that you, most people either have a friend or know somebody, who knows somebody, who is in their age group,

who has reached some level of fame and has built a business where they're potentially making millions of dollars. What do you mean like social media stuff? Yeah. Like that, I mean, that just didn't exist in our, I mean, when you were 20, did you know any 20 year olds that were famous, popular or had a lot of money?

Doogie Houser. But I was reading this thing on like also like exotic cars, like some of the most common people that are buying exotic cars are like teenagers, young kids, young influencers. I don't mind that. It's the, because what I was reading. Yeah, but what my point of bringing that up to your point

is that when you start to see that, Oh, I see. That becomes more. Races greener type. Yeah, and it's just like, oh, like if I can't have that, then have this job where I have to work hard. Yeah, I gotta work hard at this job. I gotta wait till the end.

I gotta buddy all this to do is me. Post some cool pictures on Instagram and say some cool quotes. And he's got millions of followers making all this money and limousine style. Here, I have to go to this job where I'm printing stuff all day long or photocopying it and I'm having a bullshit labor work.

I was talking to my buddy who, I don't wanna say too much as people will know who I'm talking about, but he has a business and he's hiring a lot of people in this age group. And the questions that they ask in the first interview, he's like, I would have never had the gut, I would have never asked these questions.

Like the first question they ask is, how many breaks do I get? How long does lunch? So, this is right out the gates like vacation time like what does that look like? Oh, you're not getting high. How long does it take to get promoted? Yeah, like I would have never asked these questions on an interview. I these questions I would ask. I had in the past. Add in the fact that what I said to and then also add in the fact that we are on an unprecedented bull run. Right. 10 years of like prosperity of you put money in real estate, you put money in stocks,

making money. Everybody is winning. You got into social media early, you're winning. We have not gone through a really rough time yet, and it's going to be really interesting because what goes up must come down and eventually win. If you were thinking about that in the last nine to 10 years, if you were like a 10-year-old, now you're 20-something, and that's in the last nine to 10 years, if you were like a 10 year old, now you're 20 something, and that's what you've seen for 10 years, is nothing but prosperity and winning, and people being able to stay home and make all this money. Right, you had all those other opportunities,

they had more ways that they could, well, I guess I could go over here, but guess what, when times are hard now, you're not gonna have those options, you gotta sing a whole different tune. You know, I get that, I get all the, there's all these options, you know, but there's also this pride thing where, look, if I'm gonna work for somebody,

even if this is a temporary job, which, you know, I've had those, right? I haven't always been in fitness. Mm-hmm. I always, look, this is what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do a good job. Right. I'm gonna do a good job

because that's what I'm here to do, and I'm not gonna do a half-ass job. I'm always gonna try and do my best, even though I'm gonna leave, good job because that's what I'm here to do. And I'm not gonna do a half-ass job. I'm always gonna try and do my best, even though I'm gonna leave, because my attitude was, I wanna leave and this person have a good impression of me, and I want my work to speak for itself. This is when I wash dishes,

this is when I did filing and all that stuff. But don't you think so much of that is less of your character and more of how you've been conditioned because of the culture when you were raised, right? The culture around the time, well you're talking about the late 90s, mid 90s and late 90s when you really got it in. You were up in a depression.

Yeah, it wasn't a depression, but it wasn't a boom like you have what you've had the last 10 years. It hasn't, it wasn't with social media where there was, you know, how many people are making millions of dollars from Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, Stitch, I mean, all these are Twitch, all these freaking platforms that they could literally sit at home and make them, that didn't exist just exactly to go.

I think it has maybe some of that, but also just the way some kids are being raised. Like, you ever hear teachers talk about, like younger generations, how, like when I was a kid, you know, the teacher would say something to you, now if you say the same thing, uh oh,, gonna go tell mom, get it, get in big trouble. Like, you know, a boss, have you guys ever had a boss yell at you all the time?

The power dynamic totally shifted for sure. It's very interesting. I think it is a cultural shift. I don't know if it's because maybe it is part of, you know, good times, but I think it's part, maybe something else. I mean, time will tell, right? Because, you know, I think harder times are ahead of us, right? And they're going to be a for rude way. Well, that's when I'm, you know, well, it's, you know, when there's so many

opportunities, what are we seeing right now? Right? You're seeing all these big companies, right? Starting to lay off, like, and less and less people are going to have that opportunity. It's, when, when jobs are so easy to find, it's one thing. But when that gets harder and harder and more and more layoffs and that, there'll be, it'll be, it's one thing, but when that gets harder and harder and more and more layoffs, and it'll be, it'll finally shift over in the... Now, here's my, here's like the part of this that makes me say, hey, look, I'm not that different, right? I think if you go back generationally,

that's always been the case, because what I just talked about, I just talked about my dad. I am a massive pussy compared to my dad. Massive. Like for sure, he worked way harder, would sacrifice way more than I would have at the ages when he was doing those things. So I think maybe each generation gets that way, unless, you know, you kind of have to reverse it. So maybe that's just what's happening. And every generation always complains about the younger one, right? How much like weaker they are and how much less, how much they don't work as hard and that kind of stuff.

This is generalizations, I mean, for the most part, because you do see examples of kids are really getting after it. It's like, it's exciting to see that, but I had to bring this up, because Adam, I remember you had this sort of clause for marriage, right? So after every other five, ten years or something, you had this sort of like, to renew the lease. Yeah, renew the So after every other five, 10 years or something, you had this sort of like, renew the lease, renew the lease kind of a thing.

But it was funny because I was looking at, okay, way back in the day, like mid-evil times. So they, I guess whenever there was like a marital dispute where they were like, you know, figure out how they were going to deal with this. They didn't have divorce. They didn't have ways to get out of these sort of wedlocks. And so in Germany, they had actual, like, they basically orchestrated a duel between the wife and the husband.

And then they had like all these different weird parameters where a lot of the pictures show like, the husband would be like in a hole and he'd have like a certain weapon and then she'd have a certain weapon. I'll give them an advantage. They give you some kind of slight advantage and they've been like being the shit out of each other. Crazy, right? Like that's real.

That's real. Yeah, this was not that long ago. I mean, a long time ago, but to like on that level, like to fight your wife. I'm sure there's a lot of divorced people thinking, right, now I fucking want to do it. Wow. I'm gonna take it again right off. And sign me up for that.

I would have done that for sure. Yeah. Just grill the counseling and all that. Like, let's, let's do it. A speaking of old stuff. So I wrote this because I think this is this is, I think this quote comes from like the 1500s, I believe is where the origin is, have you heard, you guys have heard of the Jack of All Trades?

Yeah. Okay. Do you know how that quote goes? And what it means? Well, I know what it means. Okay, I'm going to tell you. First of all, Jack is significant. Finish the Jack of All Trades, King of Non, or Master of Non, or Master of Non.

Okay, do you know that's not the full quote? What is it? Because what do you think that means, right? Jack of All Trades, a Master of Non, right? Jack, well, that that means, right? A jack of all trades, a master of none, right? Well, in other words, it's better to be a master, right? Then it can be just what he's saying. In the deck of cards, you have a king, queen, and a jack. So jack is good, but it ain't a king.

So you're kind of good at a lot of stuff or you could be a king at one time. But then you could call him a Renaissance man. So the full quote is actually the, but a, okay, a jack of all trades, a jack of all trades or a master of none, but a jack of all trades, a jack of all trades or a master of none, but a jack of all trades is a better than a master at one.

That's the whole thing. Yeah, so there are actually the quote, people use it in the opposite direction. You normally use it like, oh, you're not very good because you're good at a bunch of little things but you're not a master at one. That's normally how people use it, right?

Because somebody is spreading it. Yeah, but it gets so miscoded. But it's actually the opposite is what the, look at up, duck, so the guys can actually read it too. I have a theory. I have a theory why it changed. If you go back in time, it was important

to know a lot of different skills. But as societies have advanced, it becomes more and more valuable to be specialized and one thing and be really good at that one thing. That's maybe why it might be like self-sufficiency. I mean, I know I've used that and I saw good at that one thing. That's maybe why it went into self-sufficiency. I mean, I know I've used that. And I saw something, I read somewhere, look at it. But oftentimes better than a master of one.

Oh, wow, it was a compliment. Isn't that funny? Wow. And I guarantee we've all probably used it. Oh, this is, it's Shakespeare. Oh, totally. That's a Shakespeare quote. It says, I wonder where he said it and interesting.

Well, I know it's old. I know it goes way back. I didn't know if it was the origin was actually Shakespeare. Doesn't that make sense though, that the value in the past was that you could, you know, you know, you had a build a house, you know, had a fish, you know, had a hunt, you know, how to do, you know, fix, you know,

your wagon and, you know and tend to your horses. But then it's a size advanced, like it's more valuable to really know one thing. Like even today, get a job in America and you wanna get really interested. Well, now you're making me wanna go down the rabbit hole. I went down the rabbit hole a little bit with this because I thought it was interesting.

That's just my thing. I've used it wrong so so many times and had no idea that it's actually the opposite of how most people use it. So it's in reference to Shakespeare. Okay. It was by a guy named Robert Green. No, no, no, no. In 1950 is another Robert Green in 1592. That's the, that's where I got it. Yeah, it's called Greens Grotes. Worth of wit. Is this a little book? When was the printing press invented? I don't know yeah look at a boy that changed a lot when that happened and people could read stuff like this and and learn you know what i mean

because saying's like that when we didn't sound like that big of a deal now 1436 yeah see i mean it still rings true kind of today when you if you actually really think about it i mean there's tons of value of being a a jack you know obviously you're not the king or the master of the best, but pretty good at a lot of things versus being just really good at one thing. You have a lot of value in that one thing, then you're terrible at everything else. Yeah. You're a lot more independent in that regard. Yeah. But it's a market wise, like economically, if you really, if you want to make a lot of money, be very successful, usually you're specialized. I mean, isn't that fascinating?

So I've never heard anybody use that correctly. Yeah. Have you ever heard somebody use in that club? That's why I knew you guys would finish it the same way I would have finished it, but there's literally another sentence right after that. Well, I like to learn about the origins of certain sayings because sometimes the origins are terrible.

Yeah, yeah. Like rule of thumb, you guys know rule of thumb. Yeah, yeah. That was a law. There guys know rule of thumb. Yeah, yeah. That was a law. Well, there's like a switch and a like a stick. It was a law that you couldn't hit your wife. You couldn't hit your wife with a stick that was wider than your thumb.

That was a freaking law. That was a law. Listen guys, we're not barbarians here. Use a skinny stick over there. That's that's what this, this, this, that's what that came from. Yeah, I've seen people take quotes of like Hitler and then they put it and they make you think

it's like this super. Oh, and then you tell people. It's all motivation. Yeah, I've seen people take quotes of like Hitler and that then they put it and they make you think it's like this super Oh, and then you tell me it's all motivation. Yeah, yeah, there was like yeah, yeah, yeah, Hitler said that That's Well, hey, so um, so I do want to comment Adam on your your lack of pants. I guess you didn't Dress for comfort casual Friday pants, I guess you didn't. Yeah, I need to. Yeah, I'm dressed for comfort. It's casual Friday.

I'm here. I'm wearing a scarf and slacks. I need to get the memo there. These are the meta, the Viori meta. Oh, oh, there are slacks. Bro, look at them. Look how nice they are. Are you wearing the same thing too?

Yeah, bro. They're like professional looking slacks, but they're also, I could totally work out in these if I wanted to. Not I would, but I could look at stretchy and comfortable. I bought six pairs. So I knew he was on that, the meta kick with the slacks, but I didn't know if I wanted to, not I would, but I could look at stretching and comfortable. A bunch of times. I bought six pairs. So I knew he was on that, they met a kick with the slacks, but I didn't know that you rocked those.

Yeah, you, I, so I don't have a pair of those. I bought six of them, dude. That's all I wear now. Did the Confiest ones by far, I don't know. I, I prefer them, like, is that because Jessica's dressing you now, or are you doing mostly? No, she doesn't dress me, she,

I dress you now. Is this? So that went to, that clipped to her, Doug, no, it's... So that went to, that clipped to her dog. No, it's, you know, just for professionalism, right? To look good. Yeah, yeah. They look really, really good.

They feel like sweats, but they don't look like sweats. Of course, they're other stuff. They have other stuff that's more comfortable or more, whatever. Ice cream, unprofessional. No, I'm gonna just milk it until the HR thing happens, right? No, you look like, you look like, like, like a, like, like grunge 1990 something.

Well, the, the flannel is unplanned. It was, it's just been cold in the studio lately. I mean, it would have been warm outside, but then I, it's cold at my house. And you get here. It's hot in the parking lot that I walk in here and then it's ice cold in here. And I'm not complaining, because I rather be, that's weird. I'm, I've been sweating in here.

I think Justin, well, you're lifting right before. My back's always wet. I'm not lifting. I'm not lifting before we record though. You are. Doug, Doug too, like Doug's in short. Well Doug also lifted before. It's a major difference.

If I lift before we podcast, have you guys ever noticed this? Have you guys ever noticed about the sauna? If I cause I'll do sauna sometimes in the morning, I'm hot the whole day. Yeah. Why you notice that from working out? If I work out, if I were to work out,

my body temperature stays much higher throughout the day than if I don't work out to a way later in the afternoon. Hey, so did you guys see that you hear about the Elon hit piece? Yes. Yes. Well, first of all, I thought it was true.

I brought it up to you and then you were like, that's not true, it's bullshit. I'm like, oh really? Because I've only read, at that point, I had only read the hit piece that was coming out. And so basically it's it's it's it's said that he had this long affair with the Google C founder wife. Yeah.

And there was a friend in his terrible. Supposedly at one point when Elon was bleeding money with Tesla, she was floating him money to keep his business afloat and stuff like that and they were having this long old affair. And so I had read that and I hadn't read anything else yet and I was like, dude, you guys see the thing on Elon and you're like, oh, it's bullshit. And then literally later on that day,

I see the freaking selfie of him partying with the dude from Google. And they're all like, now it's pulling out. So all these, dude, I just imagine like all these media companies now like Going through like old like Hollywood studios and just just snatching all the fictional writers you You know the higher so is there no truth to that story? So at all that I don't know that okay, so according to Elon like how can they do that?

How can they take something completely fabricated? I think well? He said it. I mean what's that? What is it when you you could see someone for defamation. So I think he might actually see them. But media has become, do you know that the, are the public's trust in media? Oh, it's crazy. It's the lowest it's ever been. As it should be.

It's the media's own fault. They no longer report. They are all now propaganda vehicles. They really are. And it's great. You know, remember we had the guy on. Well, I mean, okay, and this isn't me defending with it. I mean, they are for profit businesses. And we live in the time and era of attention is this is we it. It's all about how much attention

you get from people. You're right. You're right. And so it's a war out there. YouTube, TikTok, Facebook, everything. That's part of it. And so they would they would be obsolete if they didn't listen. That's part of it. But I feel the same way about them that I feel about doctors that do, like you ever seen people on TV? With medication instead. Or just crazy plastic surgeries. And you're like, the doctor never said no to you.

Like, why do they keep doing this, right? There's, I understand that the consumer can say I want this and the producer provider can be like, sure. But there's also a level of integrity there. Like, look, we work with fitness, we sell fitness programs. I know us. If it made us a billion dollars,

I wouldn't sell a program that would hurt people. Yeah, right? Like that's our intent. Even if people demanded it and wanted it, I wouldn't do it. I mean, the truth is, though, this is the drawbacks of capitalist society. I mean, you're making the case

by going the opposite direction of why some people are so sure you're ready to rate it. I'm just saying. I know, but I mean, that's what happens, by going the opposite direction of why, like, why some people, oh, I'm not saying we should regulate it. I'm just saying. I know. But I mean, that's what happens, right? If you make something for profit, you're, there's going to be a percentage of people that are going to be for profit. If, and their integrity is going to go out the window, I mean, come on, we see it in every

industry. It's half of what motivated us to turn these mics on. Of course. So it's, it's, but that's what I think it'll correct. But that's, so that's me. That's why, I mean, I believe that that we I believe that we just were in this weird transition of, we grew up with the Fox and CNNs and they dominated our news. And this is the beginning, right?

This is the beginning of the end for them. Of first it happens with all this distrust, then that opens the door for somebody else to come through and actually build something that people do believe in. I want to be clear. There's some independent media sources that are popping up now to compete. So you do kind of see that. It's just not nowhere near as popular.

No, and they have such a stranglehold right now as well. And I do want to say this to be very clear. I'm not saying that we should have a not a not for profit media, you know, system where they're regulated, because then it's just propaganda, but for different, right? It's just propaganda different. But it's crazy to me because you could just make something up. And then the crazier part is that people will read it and we get fooled into thinking,

oh, that's what's like when we had the guy on the trainer, the run like a dog guy. Like when he told me like when he was when he was on and he's like, that's what's, like when we had the guy on the trainer, the run like a dog guy. Like when he told me, like when he was on, and he's like, that's not even like one tenth of what I do, I was like, well, real journalism, and I mean, there used to be like, I don't know if it's standards. Yeah, there used to be, you know, to the point where they would lose their job if they got one little thing incorrect.

And it was, it's just like, I don't see any kind of integrity in that direction anymore. That's crazy to me. Yeah, it's crazy. So I mean, I don't know, I don't see any kind of integrity in that direction anymore. That's crazy to me. Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, I don't know. And I'm not defending Elon, because I know him. I don't know who he is.

He could very well be a terrible person, a bad dad, or whatever, but it is obvious that they are after him. It is 100% obvious that Elon has become an enemy of a lot of these media companies because of his political opinions. Once you open that out, once you put that out there, you open yourself up and the media, man, they can...

Well, how he handles it is so hilarious. Epic, like, like him putting that picture out at the party with him. Yeah, Epic, what I haven't decided yet, as far as me judging Elon on his character, because I don't know him either, is how much of it does he not like or want or promote himself?

It's probably worked in his benefit for the most part, even though you think, oh, it's a hit piece. It's come out of the site. Now we're all talking about him. So is everybody else. His stock is probably still rising. The only thing I would say about him is he's one of the greatest entrepreneurs. You guys created multiple billion dollar businesses.

I don't know anything else about the guy. Yeah, personally, but it is crazy. Every professional athlete, it's like, you know, you're going to go back and go to the list of like, how many of the greatest of all time were actually good people to outside of like playing their sports like, you know, like, what can we just like acknowledge like some people's strengths and I think he's doing that's work by making sure we don't have this population collapse. That's one thing I was like, you got like nine kids scratching my head. I'm like, you're just just a fight like a thing.

He's the perfect guy to get away with that. You know what I'm saying? That comment was so funny. Yeah. I'm like, come on, bro. Try to beat with his try and beat Ginghis Khan. So dumb, so on, bro. Try and beat, would you try and beat Genghis Khan? Yeah. So, so, so ridiculous. Anyway, so, um, you guys, you guys get the tri tips from Butcherbox too, right?

Is that your most common one? Oh, dude, okay, sorry. I don't mean to hijack your commercial, but I've been waiting for us to bring up Butcherbox because I, I've got the brisket just recently out of there and I was gonna smoke it and when you smoke brisket, it's like a really long process, didn't work out. And so I was searching for ways to cook the brisket

like you then insta-pod or a faster way to do it. Had no idea about this, okay? I wish I did, I would have, I've used this as a commercial before. Butcherbox has created a YouTube channel dedicated to helping you cook all their meats. Oh, what? And their healthy, good recipes, like a little legit chef is on there.

Did you find a brisket? Yeah, yeah. So I did a brisket one that was on there. But I mean, I went down the rabbit hole after that. I went, oh my god, this whole time I've been looking at different ways because some of their cuts are different, some of their meats taste different. I mean, it's just, so they have all these great recipes on there that you can follow along. And it's relatively a small channel, but it's very professionally

done. So I don't think they've been doing it that long. And I don't think anyone's blown it up. Briskett is, briskett, yeah, briskett's been hit or miss for us. I just don't know how to cook it consistently. Like we'll make it and there's sometimes great other time. I'll cook it for a long time. That's typically right. Yeah, but other time we made it dry. So that one's a tough one. Do try the Instapot. That's not what I did on this one, but I mean, Instapot's a great one because Briskett does take a long time.

And so if you're not gonna slow smoke it for 12 hours plus or what of that, then my next suggestion would be like an Instapot or this recipe. I forget what you call Doug. What's the name of that pot? We have one at the Truckee house. It's the big orange pot.

There's a name for that type of a pot. Truck pot? Not a crock pot. It's a name for that type of a pot. Truck pot? Not a crock pot, it's called something else. He says it in this video. So if you actually look up butcher box, brisket recipe. Not a Dutch oven. Oh yeah, Dutch oven. Yes, Dutch oven.

I didn't know that. I didn't know that that's what a Dutch oven was. I thought that was when you hold the covers over your wives. I thought that was a Dutch oven. I swear to God when I said Dutch oven, I know Justin was like, he looked right. That's what a Dutch oven is. That's what I always do. That I said Dutch oven. I know Justin was like he looked right That's what a Dutch oven is that's why that's what I don't know that is a Dutch oven. Oh, yeah How did that get how did that get on you put on clogs and bad and then you fart and put the sheet Yeah, I mean that's what I that's all he's what I

Kind of chuckled in that we said hold me I get the Dutch oven. I'm like what? Rob on the dirty Sanchez You got yourself a briskare right there. It's a good time. Anyway, so you know what, off air, you're too far on air, you're too far. Exactly. So no, I was gonna talk about the tri-tip

because consistently I sear it on cast iron after I season it, sear, sear, put it in the oven, it comes out perfect every single time. Very, very consistent, very easy to make. I wanna try the gangster move where you have the torch. Oh, yeah. Oh, speaking of meat. Boy, did that comment on vegans on the episode?

I knew you're going to wait. Boy, when you open that that day, by the way, I love the edit that the guys did. And you did because Justin didn't even tell us that we were doing that. Did you see his edit? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I got a good laugh out of that't even tell us that we were doing it. Did you see his head? I did, we're doing it. Yeah, that was fun. I got to get a good laugh out of that. Boy, do that.

I tell you. Okay, so people are religious about their diet. Dude, no, there's two. Okay, I feel like we critique everything out there. There's nothing that we critique, including ourselves and the old things that we used to do. I don't think we're biased in any way when it comes to that stuff.

I think even when you talk about veganism, never are you saying it's bad or whatever like that, it's just more difficult. It's a fact, it's more difficult to follow that, just like ketogenic. We talk the same way about the ketogenic diet, right? So it blows my mind, the two things, and I can't think of any more than the these two.

If we talk about veganism or crossfitters You can always and I know this is an overgeneralization because what I did see and I want to commend the people that did do this because there were Quite a few people on underneath that that post that were that were vegans also and said you know These guys are making a really good point. You should listen if you're a vegan I'm vegan. I've been a vegan for a long time. It's been difficult for me So I do want to commend those are and I know that there's a handful or more that are giving a bad rap to the other vegans because what that talk about CrossFit or talk about veganism and you get always these radical people that people can get religious about almost any

diet. But I think with veganism, it's a little special because there's the added, I'm doing it because I don't want animals to get hurt. It's way different. We don't get that with keto. We bash keto just as evenly as much. And when you talk about vegans, they hit. And look, the truth is this, you can follow a very healthy vegan diet. You want to keep it whole food-based.

It just takes more planning. This is true. It's just nutrient deficiencies are more common. Supplementation tends to be necessary when you're doing this. It's harder to get protein or a good dose of the amount of protein that you need if you're trying to maximize muscle building. That's all true. Can you follow it though?

Be very healthy? Yes, you can, it just takes more planning. But when you talk about veganism, boy, does it light some people up? And I think it has to do again with some people like, look, I don't want to hurt animals. So when you go after that, that diet and you talk about it the way we do, which I think is still balanced, then they're going to feel attacked. It's the religion. A lot of it too is just, you know, what you see typically when there's like sort of a way to get, you know it's gonna cause a reaction with certain people and some people get like really ramped up emotionally

and they can't recover. So it's like they won't listen to the, to the latter half of the conversation because they're so heightened up because they're triggered or whatever it is. Like it's, at that point, like I've had conversations like that start out kind of with a bang and then it's like, yeah.

Some people just can't recover from that. I've noticed. Yeah. Yeah. It reminds me of MLM people and when they get the and then they've been deep in it and they've been they've been so indoctrinated that they have all the great talking points to rebuttal it, you know, say like you like you're either was people that were posting the breakdown of lentils and how many grams of like every nutrient that's in there comparison to beef and I've ever seen that over so I'm like, look at this argument. I said it over him. I'm like, you seen this?

You know, how many lentils you have to eat? 50 grams of protein. Like six cups of lentils just to get you know, do that and see how you tell me fields after you meet that. So I mean, so I mean, but they have got all these great like talking points or they've they've memorized game changers, you know, because they've watched it so many times to rebuttal all the points that people try to make. And it's like, to me, the easy thing just to say

is just like, hey, it works for me. I like it, I feel better on it. Okay, great, cool. That's awesome. I do it for moral reasons. And awesome, support you, 100%. But when we talk about it, and we talk about the difficulties

or the challenges or comparing way protein, to vegan protein and the science about it and we talk about the difficulties or the challenges or comparing way protein, to vegan protein and the science about it. Point is it, ruffle some feathers man when it comes to vegan. It's hilarious to me. And it looks the fail rate on a vegan diet. In other words, how many people start it and go off of it is the same as any diet. Right. Now the people that tend to stick to vegan diets are the ones that really do it for those

moral reasons. They're not doing it for health. So, when I talk to clients who said, hey, I'm going to stick to vegan diets, or the ones that really do it for those moral reasons, they're not doing it for health. So when I talk to clients who said, hey, I'm gonna try this vegan diet and ask them why, and they say, oh, it's for weight loss or for health, unless it's like Dr. strongly Dr. recommended, then that's when I would have a discussion with them, I'll say, right? If they said no, it's for moral reasons.

Well, that's, listen, okay, let's do the best we possibly can to make this as healthy as possible for you. Let's look at supplementation if needed because you really believe in this. But if it's like, oh, I'm doing this loose way, okay. Are there cases where a vegan diet works better for people? Yes, there's always individual variances, but generally speaking, and this is true for all diets.

It's balance. Balance works best for most people. You know the irony of that talking point that all diets fail at 80% or what that? I actually think it falls in its face because what of their diet has any sort of moral stand, none, except for that one. And so the fact that it has the same as all the diets and yet you still have that, you have a percentage of those people that stick to it for moral reasons should give it an advantage. You should have an advantage because there is a certain amount of people

that regardless if they're getting the nutrients they're supposed to, regardless of it's working for them, they're like, I am not gonna eat animals in a state. So that in itself should, when you get an edge. Well, when you do control for that, and you just look at people who follow it for moral reasons, the fail rates actually a lot better. It's a lot better than 85%. Not quite as bad.

But, again, most people don't do it. Well, that would be teasing them out. I'm saying if you group them all together, they fall in the same category. Correct. You want to bring that number up. You're right. And you want to know it's funny. There's studies that show that when people drink, when vegans drink, that their high percentage

and will go eat meat afterwards. So their inhibitions go down with alcohol. And part of that is I'm gonna go out. But the body just takes over. I'm gonna eat a burger or whatever. Isn't that crazy? That's so wild. But yeah, it's, it can be,

I would consider it an extreme diet, although I guess mainstream wouldn't consider extreme diet, it is. You're cutting out. Well, it's promoted by mainstream right now. It's like you see things come in cycles and waves, and this is the thing is to go all plant-based. And so we just as a counterpoint,

you gotta consider it's difficult to get protein. And the thing that annoys me about it is, listen, if you follow it, you like it, works for you, do it, I want you to do it. Don't, I'm not trying to convince people that it works for them, or they have a moral reason of doing it, it works for them, or they have a moral reason of doing it, or they like it, or they have great results.

All we're trying to do is present it to, what happens is something like that, especially that one has been so politicized, and it's being touted is so amazing, and it's just not, it's not that amazing. It's not as amazing as you all think it is, it's just like all the rest of them, just like Paytheo, just like Keto, just like I have I am,

just like Intermitt Fat, it's just like every other FAD that's out there, it's just as good, and you can make all the same arguments in case for that. At the end of the day, we're just trying to present to the general population that is getting all this noise and help them understand that, listen, if you're doing it because you think it's the best or you heard somebody about this, let us present to you some of the pitfalls

that's right. And we do that with every doubt. And 100% we're gonna get more negative comments. Yeah. This is taking a lot of stuff. I guarantee you. So we look forward to it. Yeah.

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All right, here comes the show. Our first caller is Carrie from New York. Hi, Carrie. How can we help you? Hey, guys. I think it's for taking my question. My question actually pertains to your map symmetry programs. I wanted to kind of get some advice on how I should tweak it for my activity levels.

So for some context, I'm 25. I've been working out for about six years, primarily focusing on muscle building, but over the next few months, I kind of want to spend more time fixing my form and working on my form of mobility and any amount of stuff I have. So I actually started personal training school in the beginning of July, and it caused my stepcounsel to go from around 3000 subs to about 9000 subs today. So we do a lot of hands-on training in this school where I will be a client for the other students and they'll do the same thing for me. So I'm doing a lot of various upper and lower body exercises throughout the day. I also do

mobility. I do two sessions of mobility a day for about 10 minutes a day and I stretch for 15 minutes a day. So I weigh about 133 pounds. My maintenance is around 2200 calories and I have about 160 grams of protein a day. My question is I don't want to lose all of the muscle. I spend all winter building with the increased activity levels. So with my schedule being so full, how do you recommend I incorporate maps in a tree into my program without losing any muscle or also including some days where I'm also building itself? Yeah, the two most important things that I would do to offset that is one, if you're already having a lot of volume of activity and you want to add a program to that, is I would reduce

the volume where you can. So if you can't reduce it in other a program to that, is I would reduce the volume where you can. So if you can't reduce it in other aspects of your life, then I would do less of the volume that's prescribed in map symmetry. So maybe you can cut the sets down that we recommend by a third, for example. And the second thing would be to bump your calories. So because of all the additional activity,

I would increase your calories by about 200 or 300 a day. And you can honestly, because you're eating so much protein, you don't have to add more protein, you could just add it in the form of carbohydrates or fats. And those two things right there should help offset any potential muscle loss that you may experience. You could also modify intensity too. So if you were to follow the program as is,

you just dramatically reduce the intensity. Sometimes we get in this mindset of when we go and we lift that we like always have to get after it or sweat or this burn. Nothing is wrong with following the protocol and moving all the way to 50% of your intensity. Even though you could do double the weight in every exercise, just moving like that at that low of an intensity

will also help that. So that's an option and an increasing calories would be the two things. You may find that just by adding 300 calories, that alone might just do it. I mean, you may find, I'm seeing you right now, you're already, you look pretty lean. So a bump of 300 calories with that additional activity, you might just end up building a little muscle, you know, you might not even lose muscle, you might actually build muscle as a result of doing that. So that's one of the first places I would start for eating 24. Are you eating 24 or is that just what your maintenance is? My maintenance right now is 20 is 22. So I just earlier this week I bumped it up to about 24

But I'm still seeing the scale go down Oh, yeah, I would I go up to all right. So you already bumped it to so I go up to 26 bumping out of the 200 and then and then see what happens And then so with my the sessions that I have during the class so Some days we focus on lower bodies. Some days we focus on upper body But I it's in like a gym setting so I could pick the weights that I use So I was thinking do you think I should kind of use those as trigger sessions? Yeah, I'd go real easy.

Real light, real easy. Just perfect technique informed. Don't treat it like a workout. 100% that's what I would do. Because you're a trainer, Kerry, do you have maps prime and prime pro? I don't. Okay, don't add them, calm down.

I'm gonna send those to you right now, okay? Because I think those will bring you the most value as a trainer. I really like that poster in the back of your room. That's really cool Oh, we have a street. Yeah, that's really cool. I like that It totally does I'm getting a chill vibe right now, but we'll send you prime and prime pro Because I think those will be the most valuable and keep the intensity low in the classes Bump your calories. I think you'll be totally fine. Good vibes It's so not cool We're sorry for that. Yeah, okay

Listen, listen, I'm gonna bet right now her favorite host on the show is me am I right? Carrie? Am I right? The guy they gave you the free programs? There it is the The earthy guy. Told you. I told you guys. Yeah, every time. Also, the guy that comes mentioned on my dad's stream. Exactly. Thanks, Kerry. I appreciate you calling in. All right. I apologize for my Nian DeFolk co-host. Anyway, so it's super windy in there, by the way. Yeah, you know what I think you might have had a fan on. Yeah. I might have been blowing air into the mind. Well, it's interesting because when she was talking,

that was only time there's a problem. So, weird, very strange. Yeah, you know, super power. I think she overcomplicated everything. Yeah, because, you know, I used to, you guys ever trained group X instructors? And one of the challenges was that the fact that they would do the class with the class.

And I remember one of the easiest things I ever did with one of these challenges was that the fact that they would do the class with the class. Right. And I remember one of the easiest things I ever did with one of these instructors who was struggling. It's like, I'm losing muscle. What do I do? I said, stop taking the class with your class. Just instruct them and then walk around and watch the form. And that alone made a huge difference. It was like, she was working out three, four times a day on top of her workouts because

she was doing the class. Well, which is another form of just modifying intensity. Sometimes we think that like we have the scaling back means we need to drop all these exercises or drop sets. Like, sometimes it's okay to just go through the movements and just reduce the intensity, the weight you're moving. Just go, I mean, because I think there's tremendous benefit of still moving the body through these exercises and doing the movements.

Just, you know, like you said, practice them. Practice them, go really lightweight and go through it. And I think that would help out a ton. And then also the bump in the calories. We've got extra movement. Our next caller is Carrie from China. Hey, Carrie, how can we help you? Hey, guys, this is so cool.

So my question is I've been lifting for many years and recently bought a bunch of maps programs. And I'm finding that there are quite a few shrugs and bicep curls and calf raises in some of the programs. And I was wondering what are the benefits to these movements beyond growing my traps and my bicep into in my cat because these aren't target areas for me.

So, yeah, so I'm just wondering, should I skip them or should I try to modify the volume in some way or would that mess with the programming? How could I replace them with other movements for target areas that I am trying to grow? Because I know that all the the movements are kind of put together, you know, with a with a long-term plans. So I wasn't sure if changing them for completely different movements that target different body parts would impact the programming. Yeah, really good question. Okay, so I'll answer the first part. I mean, the basic answer is

to strengthen those areas, right? So shrugs help strengthen the shoulder girdle, helps provide stability for the shoulders. Obviously works those traps muscles as well. Biceps, I mean, you're strengthening the arms, the biceps are an important muscle to have to be okay, biceps, I mean, you're strengthening the arms, uh, the biceps are important muscle to have to be strong calf raises, same thing with the calf area. Now, can you, if you feel those areas are strong and stable, can you cut the volume or even eliminate exercises, uh, or those exercises and replace them with others? Yeah, you totally can. Like, your biceps are going to get stronger just from doing back exercises. Your traps will get more stable and strong

from doing a lot of overhead presses and rows. And if your calves, if you do a lot of walking and you're gonna get some stabilization with your calves with other lower body exercises. So you can take those exercises out or just reduce the volume and replace them with target areas. But I would caution people listening

if you need strengthen those areas, don't just think of it from an aesthetic standpoint. So I've had women say, I don't want to work my biceps and I want big arms, but they're not in a place where they think they have big arms now. So I'll strengthen those anyways. And when you get to the point where you're like, okay, I don't want this muscle to get any more developed,

then it's okay to cut it out. So remember, the strength is the most important thing that we want, but you can definitely cut those out or reduce them and replace with other stuff. Well, especially these three, in my opinion, too. I mean, you're talking, we're not talking about prime movers, right? She's not trying to drop the back presses.

These are all the ones we're trying to sneak in at the end. Yeah, so this is an example of like, where if you were a client of mine, we, one, we would have gone through like Maps Prime, so I could have assessed your movement and your posture. And this is a perfect example of where I would probably drop those exercises and then put in something that I think would benefit your overall posture or something,

right? So like, I don't know if you've gone through the Maps Prime yet or not. Justin. Yeah, yeah. OK, cool. So here's, so I don't know how well you did on Zone 1, Zone 2, or Zone 3. prime yet or not. Just like that. Yeah, yeah. Okay, cool. So here's, so I don't know how well you did on zone one, zone two or zone three, but let's

just say, for example, you, you know, you, you failed zone one pretty bad. So this is where I might put in a, a movement that's going to, you know, work on that to benefit that, which is in prime, like your fort, like a fortification exercise. I might slide that into the workout here. So there's an example or if there was a specific body part that we're trying to work on, that you feel is lagging, I might put that in there. Although I do know that in map, you have the RGB,

so maps aesthetic is what we really get into focusing on body parts. So I would more than likely either do a corrective exercise right here, that I think will benefit your overall posture or potentially even a mobility movement in this place where let's say you have a real hard time with getting deep squats and it's ankle mobility is the reason for it.

And so if you were training with me for that hour and we come up on the bicep section, we wouldn't do that, we would get down and I do some combat stretching with you just to build that into a routine for you. So this is how I would modify in a situation like that if you were an actual client. Yeah, but to Salis Point in terms of strength and the shoulder girdle, because I've gotten that criticism a few times with women for the shrugs,

because it's just not like a typical exercise women are pursuing for the most part. But in terms of like, you know, strengthening your upper back and also that feeding into the stability and keeping your shoulders in track, you know, there's a lot of functional benefit to it as well as strengthening it. Okay. Okay. That's good to know. Actually, I, I seem to have maybe hurt my shoulder a little bit recently and maybe it's because I've been skipping the shrugs.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Should I, sorry? I was going to say, you do them light, you do them real slow and controlled, maintain good posture while you do them. And then when you do your shoulder exercises, same thing, like maintain good and warm, good technique and try to find a way to move within the form where it feels good. If that means you need to cut the weight way down, then so be it.

Now, Carrie, I see that you bought all these programs. Have you actually gone all the way through a program yet from beginning to end yet? Are you just getting started? I've done performance and anabolic. And I just started aesthetic. But then I went on holiday for a couple of weeks and I'm going to have a

start over again. Okay. So there's some other things here because you did performance, so you get the mobility thing that I was saying there. So there was something in performance that you felt you got great benefits from that was like maybe part of a mobility session or say like a Z-press exercise. I can exercise that you're like, oh, that really, like this is where we, this is where we try and teach people, like we always tell people like follow everything to a tee at least once. So you get the gist of the programming and why we do it. And then

let's say when you're coming back around and now you're in anabolic and you're like, man, I don't want all this trap work here. But boy, when I was doing that Z press and performance, my shoulders felt good. I felt the core stability. And so then I take that and I'm going to put it in right there. Right. So you can use the other programs or let's say I think you have strong also, we're bringing up traps. There's farmer walks in that program. That's a great exercise that's going to do with Justin and Sal are talking about the shoulder girdle and stability and the shoulder. And so you really like that. And it's not like directly working on hypertrophy for the traps, but it is giving you those ventric groups. Yeah, it's giving you the liked that. And it's not like directly working on hypertrophy for the traps, but it is giving you those benefits.

Yeah, it's giving you the benefits that they're talking about. So this is how we start to kind of mold and play with some of the things in the other programs and then put them in and replace some movements like that. Carrie, I want to ask you a question. How do you listen to us in China? Because I've had other people say that they can't access

our show because of the platform as being blocked and stuff. Are you, is there a specific platform or if you don't want to answer, you don't have to, by the way, but just out of curiosity. Oh, no, that's fine. Yeah. No, it's a bit iffy. So sometimes it's easy to download, sometimes it's not, but I'm using the Apple platform,

the Apple platform, this Apple podcast, yeah. All right, cool. Spotify just doesn't work at all. I can't listen to, I mean, can't listen to music, but I can't listen to podcasts. I don't know why. And sometimes I need a VPN, but not always, so I don't really understand. We're not fully banned yet, boys. We got to try harder. No, you're not fully banned. But I do sometimes sneak across the great Wall to the Great Firewall to catch up on your Instagram. So I got my, in my illegal contraband, my pamphlet there.

Oh God, I love you. Thank you so much. I want to thank you guys. Yeah, you guys have brought me a lot of joy. I've been listening for four years. You're in my ear every day. Really? So brought me a lot of joy.

I've learned a lot from the show, not just about fitness, but just about life in general entrepreneurship, especially. It's really cool to see you guys every day. Well, thank you so much, Carrie. I appreciate that. Thank you very, very helpful. Thank you. Yeah.

Bye. Bro, how cool is that that you got to like, you got to get a VPN and you got to like sneak mind pump in. Right. You can listen to us. It's such a rebel. Oh, that makes me so happy. It also highlights how hard it is to control, you know, that kind of stuff in the age of

of technology. I'm sure, yeah. But you know, she has a very common question. And, you know, I've worked with women who genuinely, strong, genuinely said, oh, you know, my traps are overdeveloped. And so we kind of cut those out. But it's usually not the case. Usually they're just afraid of the exercise, but you're not going to work out a muscle

and wake up the next day with it being overdeveloped. So my advice is always train every muscle. And then if you do, if you are lucky enough to get the point where a muscle's really developing like, this is what's far as I want to go, then you can back off. It's not that big of a deal. Well, that was the reason why I asked if she had gone through any of our programs all the way through. I think that that recommendation is pretty consistent from us, right? Like, you have a baseline of it.

Yeah, follow it. Because to your point, again, you're not going to wake up overnight and have massive traps or biceps. You're not even going to go through an entire Maps and Abolic program and wake up and have massive traps or biceps from that, especially as a female. So going through that, I would still recommend a client to do it so they can just feel it. Like, how did you feel at the end of it? And maybe, right? Maybe she's an anomaly and she already had big traps or biceps going in and it made it

feel like it was more. And they say, okay, next time when we go through, we put that Z-press in there or we do that combat structure, we replace it with another movement or exercise that will benefit her overall goals Our next color is Nathan from Connecticut. Nathan. What's happening? How can we help you? Hey, how's it going guys? I just wanted to say you know, thank you for all you guys do for everybody I know you hear that all the time, but you gotta say it now. Yeah, thank you, man. Thank you, bro. Thanks, dude. Yeah So I'll jump right into it got a little bit of stuff to get to before I get to my question. So background on me 37 5 11 180 pounds

Tri-Sport athlete high school Do pretty much every kind of sport that I can do right now, baseball, softball, basketball, that kind of stuff. Workout wise. So over the years, I've just kind of developed my own program, just basically being in military as you can see. It's kind of hard keeping a schedule with a trainer. So I've worked on my own stuff. It's 10-week program, three phases,

last week of the 10 weeks is an off week. So first phase is more the five by five strengths, and then the following two phases are, you know, bringing reps up, weight down, just to kind of get a full thing going. And that's three days a week full body. So the nutrition side, keep religiously in check, do intermittent fasting daily, six hour eating window, or to get about 3000 calories a day. And then usually it's summertime, so a cheat day a week. And then, you know, I follow Dr. Axe,

I follow you guys, Dave Asprey, Ben Greenfield. And you'll have Max Lugavir on a little while ago. I love that guy. But I'm always trying to do cutting edge for anything that I can get. And then since this incident happened, I've maintained body weight, just keeping that schedule. So just looking to kick back into the workout side. So on May 27th, I broke my right arm

and that was a right arm radial head fracture. So right at the spot at the elbow, it split down the center. It was clean break, didn't have surgery, I just had a sling for a little week, for about a week until I got some range of motion back. And that obviously stopped my workouts. And then I was just doing lower body weight, body weight squats and stuff like that doing

every teens. And then I've been going to physical therapy for about three weeks now. So this is week, this will be week nine of the break. I did get an X-ray last week that the bone is actually healed. And so I started actually trying to ramp up my workouts again. But the therapy's been good for getting almost that full 100% range of motion back. And so I haven't broken anything since second grade. So in that regard and my workout routines, I've kept things pretty symmetrical, which is kind of the basis for my question.

So I'll go ahead and ask that and then kind of pose it in two different ways, just to make sure I'm getting the question across. So since my long-term plan was to do my program until about the winter time, being up here in the cold, and then I was gonna work through the aesthetic program was gonna be the next one I was gonna do.

Do you think it would be worth it to work through the new symmetry program now before I do that to try and re-align left and right arms? Or do you think muscle memory would be enough to bring the arm back up to the part where it was? And then the other way of asking would be would doing the symmetry program accelerate me back to where I was before the break?

Do symmetry. Do symmetry. Yes, massively beneficial for what you're going through right now. By the way, if you didn't break your arm with your experience and training and your fitness level, I would still tell you to do symmetry, but considering the fact that you broke your arm and— There's no brainer. It's even more of a case.

100%. You're gonna get great. You know what's funny? We wrote the program. We knew it would be valuable. We put it out there. And the now we're getting reviews and people are messaging us.

And the response is even more than we could have anticipated. Like people who had no symmetrical issues, who just were competitive power lifters, or strength athletes, or whatever. And they're like, man, I had no idea how much of an impact. And we know this because all of us have experimented and trained with lateral training. And there's no programming that does it properly.

There's really, most people treat it as an afterthought. So, yeah, even regardless, if you, like I said, if you didn't break your arm, I will still tell you, go through symmetry. Watch what happens at the end. You'll be blown away. It's just interesting because there's all this underlying issues, or there's ways that we do things, and it's just hardwired in us.

And I think that, you know, this is just one of those programs that helps to kind of highlight and bring to the surface a lot of those things. So you'll probably find other benefits of it besides just rehabilitating, you know, and getting your other arm back up to speed. So I'm excited for you. Nathan, do you own? Yeah, do you own prime pro yet?

I don't okay. I'm gonna have Doug send prime pro to you the one thing. I'll add to what the guys are you sick as I 100% agree Is to keep up the shoulder and wrist mobility stuff so pull specifically from From prime pro the wrist cars and shoulder mobility drills that we have in there, and incorporate that into your weekly routine. So even though you're getting full range of motion back in the elbow, one of the things that tends to freeze up a little bit is the range of motion that you had in that shoulder or that wrist. Yeah, they compensate without even knowing.

That's right. And you may not even realize it yet until you get back to like really pushing the weight, which symmetry is absolutely the way to go for programming for that reason. And then in addition to that, I would make sure I'd incorporate some of those wrist and shoulder mobility. Do you have symmetry as well? I didn't yet.

And the funny thing was as I was thinking about getting it and then the break happened. I was like, well, that would be the perfect thing to ask about. So we'll send you both. Yeah, we'll send you both. Yeah, we'll send you both. So, okay, I really appreciate that guys. Yeah, no problem, man. And thanks for what you do. Thanks for your service, man.

Yeah, see your uniform there. See you in the Navy. Thanks for your E-D-man. You're welcome. And one last thing, I have to give a shout out to Ben Patrick, who's the Nees Over Toes guy, who you guys turned me on to him with talking about slidwork. And I think it would be awesome if you guys could have him

on to talk how he could do some other people because I think you'd be really great for the community. Yeah, absolutely. Working on it. Yeah, okay. All right, man, thanks for calling in. Yeah, thank you. You got it.

Yeah, it was a pretty obvious answer. I mean, it wasn't really a layup. Well, when I was reading it, I could tell, I think you kind of knew too. I mean, I think you just wanted to hear. You know, why he asked that question? I think a lot of people have this misunderstanding that if they go through a unilateral program that they're somehow going to slow down their bilateral progress. Yeah.

You know, like, oh, I'm going to do some lateral stuff, but oh, you know, I wanna get my bench up. I'm like, well, you'll find at the end of training through a cycle of unilateral training, like symmetry, is your bilateral strength can go through the roof. That's the biggest review that I'm getting from people's, they didn't anticipate to break through their PRs by training unilateral, but that's exactly what's happening.

So you're not taking a step back, you're moving forward, you're just doing the right one. Strengthening and reinforcing things, you didn't really anticipate you needed to address. So I think it's one of those things, the unintended consequences, you get stronger at your other pursuits.

Our next caller is Cara from British Columbia, Canada. Hey Cara, how can we help you? Hey guys, I just wanted to say thanks so much for having me as everybody does. I've just got a couple of notes here. I've been listening to you guys for about three years now. I have had a lot of success running maps programs and listening to your guys' advice.

So I just can't say how much I appreciate all of the work that you do. Thank you, Brad. So a little bit of background about me. I'm 32 years old, mom to two girls aged two and four. I'm a wife, and I'm currently working at least full time, sometimes more than that in a week. For reference, I'm 5'3 and currently weigh

about 124 pounds. I've been working out off and on since I was a teenager, but got pretty serious about health and fitness six or seven years ago and have been pretty consistent with training ever since. After having kids, I'd dieted, quote unquote, pretty intensely for a while, cutting my calories and doing hit training five days a week, at one point during the pandemic. And about May of 2021,

after listening to you guys talk a lot about reverse dieting and why women should bulk. I finally decided to go ahead and go for it. I reversed my calories in a year from about 1200 to about 2400 calories. Awesome. Thanks, it was awesome. So that took me about a year. I felt like I put on some pretty good muscle, running maps programs.

And in May of this year, I decided to do a little bit of a cut before summer. I had decreased my calories originally from 2400 to 1700 a day. I was losing a bit too much. I felt like I didn't want to lose too much muscle with that. So I bumped them up to 1900. At the same time as I started map symmetry.

And I thought that that might work out well. About a week into map symmetry though, my 1900 calories was not enough. I was hungry all of the time. Couldn't, couldn't seem to stay full. And that's where I've been at. The last few weeks with summer and vacations, I haven't been as consistent running symmetry, but I've still been doing what I can. So phase two has taken me a little bit longer to get through.

But I'm still struggling with my 1900 calorie a day goal, and I'm not really sure what my calorie goal should be. So, the question was, could my hunger be a sign of building muscle? And if this is the case, where should I go from here? Can I keep up with symmetry and increase the calories or try something new to keep calories low? What's any advice you have for me, I'd appreciate. Yeah, no, that's not, yes,

I definitely is a sign of building muscle. What you did was, is you switched to a new program, and it's novel. Symmetry is very different from any other program. And so it's very likely that you are stimulating some muscle growth and some strength. Definitely strength, right? Because you're probably building stability and balance

and balancing the body out. So what you're experiencing is actually a good sign. I would bump your calories up a little bit again. I'd go up to maybe 2100 calories and see how you feel. Because anytime you change your program, especially if it's a program that's working well for your body, one of the signs you'll see along with strength gains is an increase in appetite.

It's a really, really good sign. And because you're lean and fit and because you've done it right in the past, I think that's what's happening. Now, if this were like a beginner just getting started, I'd say, okay, well, you might not know your body so well. Maybe you're just getting used to what it feels like to be in a deficit. But I think based off of what you said and your experience, that's probably what you're feeling. What you're probably experiencing is symmetry was a new novel program, it's probably what you needed. You're building some muscle, so that became a larger deficit than you anticipated.

Okay, thank you so much. I appreciate that. I do want to comment on something that Salt said and you said that any reference if you were like a new client or a new person getting into working out, and I think it's important that people understand this because it is normal though to be hungry when you're in a cut. Totally.

And part of being consistent with that is getting to a place of just being comfortable with that feeling. You're not starving, your body is fed. You would know if you were in any state of where you're starving and that's not the case. So it is very normal to feel that. I do though agree that 1900 is a lot lower than where you were

just currently at, you have a new stimulus, you probably can easily bump your calories up and still lean out like you want. But just so the audience knows that, because sometimes there's this like, oh, I feel hungry, that means. Yeah, yeah. Like then I've had clients before that use that,

oh, I'm hungry, I must be losing muscle or this can, then I've had clients before that use that, oh, I'm hungry. I must be losing muscle or this can't be good. And so then they are always feeding. And they're like, I don't know why I can't lose the body fat. It's like, well, we have to learn to be comfortable with that feeling too. So there is a little bit of normalcy there. But I think you're in a place where you worked your, you reversed dieted, you worked your calories up high enough that you probably just cut too much back with adding in the new

stimulus. So yeah, bump the, the bump the calories up a couple hundred and then base that off of what you see. So hopefully we can add another 200 or 300 calories to your diet a day and you still feel like you're leaning out. Now if you don't lean out and you've added those calories, then maybe it's just you getting comfortable with that lower calorie intake. Yeah, maybe you just go up to 2,000 calories instead of 2,100 or 2,200. But I mean, just to give you another example,

if somebody's training right and doing everything right, and they've got a good healthy metabolism, everything's great, and then they change you to a new program that their body was thirsting for. Like it was appropriate for their body. Sometimes often, they don't even have to change their calories. They'll just start to get leaner

because the new stimulus is building muscle. So it automatically becomes a cut. So consider this. Your metabolism is changing all the time. It's not stagnant, right? It's not stationary. So what might have been a deficit before or what might have been, you know, might have been maintenance before might be might be a deficit now because the new program is moving things in the right direction. That's a very, very good thing. So I would say, I guess, so I stick to what I said before, I bump it a little bit and see how you feel. And my guess is you'll still get leaner with a little bit higher calories. Okay, well that sounds fantastic. Thanks so much. I did just want to point out

that yeah, when I was at the 1700, which was pretty significant deficit, I actually wasn't struggling with hunger. It wasn't until I got up to 1900 the same day that I started symmetry. So I think you guys are absolutely right, but thank you for confirming. It's hard just, you know, you don't want to bump your calories up too much and then have an adverse effect, but I'll definitely take your guys advice. You've never steered me wrong in the past and really appreciate it.

Yes, we are your trust. Thank you, thank you, Cara. Thank you, you take care. You got it. Yeah, that was a sign that I would love hearing from clients. Yeah. And you can hear, I mean, we've been doing this long enough to where we deciphered it just based off what she said,

but you get that every once in a while, I was like, well, why is my appetite going up? And I'm like, well, you just added 10 pounds to this. You added five pounds of that. You know, 15 pounds of this are stronger. You're, I was like, well, why is my appetite going up? I'm like, well, you just added 10 pounds to this. You added five pounds of that. You had 15 pounds of this. You're stronger. I can tell you're building muscle. Your metabolism has changed.

That deficit now is too much of a deficit. That's why you're feeling it. What did you say she worked her as 27 or 29 hundred? No, no, she went from 1200 calories to 22 or 23 hundred calories. No, then she said she worked up even higher. I thought she was 27 or 20. Yeah, I heard 27 hundred or 29. I thought. They're sure it was like 27 or 20. Yeah, I heard 27 or 29. I'm reading off her question.

Yeah, yeah. So for her to go down, it was what, 1900? Yeah. And then she, 17. 17 and then, yeah, had to bump it up. But what she said at the end was like, that was telling, right? Like, 1700, I felt fine.

Then I switched to symmetry. Now I'm hungry. Like immediate, right? Which is rad. Like, that's one of those things we try to kind of convey that to people. If you just change the stimulus, you can have great response like that.

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