Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1904: The Dangers of Drinking Too Much Water, the Benefits of Adding Indian Club & Macebell Movements to a Workout, How to Add Olympic Lifts to a MAPS Program & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:02:47 And the calories are very similar. Like you get two burgers at five guys versus a burger and a large fry or whatever, you're going to get the calories going to be close if not less with the burgers, but at least to get more protein, it's more satiating better for muscle building, you get more vegetable oils, more starches, carbs, all that kind of stuff with the fries. Almost every Friday, I enjoyed this exact meal all during competition was my day that I allowed my two burgers that I would go eat. And that was the thing that was

Starting point is 00:03:15 that pre-context. Yep, that was all that was me cutting, getting ready for a show, everything. Wow. I could get it to fit in my macros if I eliminated the fries. If I had the fries, then I had a really hard time hitting my protein intake and keeping my calories low enough. But I could hit my calorie intake and my protein intake if I chose two burgers versus the

Starting point is 00:03:37 fries. Well, this brings up an interesting point, which is on a scale of, I guess, value with macros. There is a scale when it comes to macros. Proteins and fats are essential, meaning you have to consume some of them in order to survive carbohydrates are non-essential, meaning you can have none of them and you'll be okay. Now I'm not saying you should have no carbs,

Starting point is 00:04:00 I'm just saying that on a scale of value, proteins and fats outweigh carbohydrates. Now between proteins and fats, I would argue that proteins are more important, mainly because fats are easy to come by and they're not a stage, they don't produce as much satiety as protein. Protein produces a lot of satiety,

Starting point is 00:04:17 meaning it keeps your appetite under control. It also contributes more to muscle building. And in my experience, when clients hit the protein targets, always hit the fat targets. But if they aim for fat targets, they would always miss their protein targets. What do you estimate calorie wise, you're getting out of like, say, a smaller, large fry?

Starting point is 00:04:36 If that's like the reaction, you're gonna go. Well, it depends on how, okay, so like, if you go to like a, because some of the things will estimate, okay? Yeah. 300 to 400 calories, but not counting the heavy hand. Have you ever ridden five guys before? Like throwing a bunch in the bag.

Starting point is 00:04:49 Five guys is notorious for it. If you order a large fry of five guys here or more on, I just just say that, just put it, like save your money order the small, because they give you, they end up in the bag anyway. No, they give you, like, they overfill, it's just like their thing, right? They've done that.

Starting point is 00:05:03 They just throw some in the bag. Yeah, then they automatically throw a bunch in the bag. So like you're automatically getting a lot. That's far away, I like them the best. Yeah, you gotta see too. No, I think that's, I actually think they, I think, I don't know, so maybe somebody who works for Five Guys or has worked for Five Guys can like,

Starting point is 00:05:15 either correct me or fill me in a little bit, but I would assume that they are taught to do that because so many of the play, every Five Guys I've ever gone to, they dump all the extra fries in the bag. And I think that, and that's why, because everybody goes, oh, you look, we've got five guys

Starting point is 00:05:29 that give you so many extra fries. On average, a large-ish fry will be between 500, 600, 700 calories or more, sometimes as much as 1,000 calories. A burger, not maybe like a double-triple bacon with all kinds of sauces or whatever, but a burger's gonna be about five to six hundred calories on average. So calorie-wise, you're looking at somewhat of an even trade, okay? Of course you can make it

Starting point is 00:05:53 different if you go with the triple burger and all that stuff or a small fry or extra large fry or whatever, but if you're being reasonable, the calories are right around the same. The difference is the macros, and the macros from the burger are better, so it's the protein. The point you're trying to make, I think is a great point, and then the philosophy behind it, I think, is smart because most people have a hard time

Starting point is 00:06:15 hitting their protein tires. I never met a client in my life that said, I just can't get enough carbs in my day. It's like this never a problem. So, and if I look at a meal from five guys are in and out or wherever you're at, wherever your favorite burger place is, the best part of the meal is the burger. And so if I can go to a place like that

Starting point is 00:06:35 and I can just make the change of, okay, I can't have fries because the fries are going to push my calories too high because of how much carbohydrates are in them in total calories, but I can go to burgers. And I can still make that fit into my macros. Or you could just write out. This is what I often would do is I'd get a burger and then a burger protein style.

Starting point is 00:06:55 Protein style. One where it's wrapped and let us one that's normal. So I'm just getting the extra protein, maybe less of the calories in the carbs. You know what's funny about this, by the way, if you go with a bunch of regular people, so not fitness,, by the way. If you go with a bunch of regular people, so not fitness, fanatics, or whatever, you go a bunch of regular people to a fast food place,

Starting point is 00:07:09 and then they do their orders. So I'll get a fry and a burger. I'll get a burger and fry what I want. And then you go up and you go, no, I just want two burgers. Everyone's gonna look at you like, man, we're gonna go on, bro. Going for it.

Starting point is 00:07:20 Not realizing, like, actually, it's about the same amount of calories. Yeah, I noticed too, I mean, you eat a french fries, it's about the same amount of calories. Yeah, I noticed too, I mean, you eat a French fries. It's like potato chips. You know, you make that comment before of like, it's so hard for you just to eat. All over you.

Starting point is 00:07:33 Yeah, if five guys dumps half a thing, I'm eating all the fries. There's no way I'm gonna have five fries in this. I'll stop eating a burger. Well, yeah, when you finish it. It was a, well, no, I'll stop when I'm full with the burger too. With fries, the more you put in front of me,

Starting point is 00:07:47 like if I go with my kids, and I don't do this very often, but if I do, my daughter often will eat not all of her fries or my son will, how you know, you know, one of these like, eyes bigger than their stomach. I'll eat all the extra, right? But I can stop, proteins, very satiety producing.

Starting point is 00:08:03 Carbohydrates are not. Carbohydrates, eventually you get full, but they don't produce a's very satiety producing carbohydrates or not carbohydrates Eventually you get full, but they don't produce a lot of satiety. This is why studies show a high protein diet tends to lead to lower calories because it makes you eat less, you know a speaking of macros and protein I'm so in love with our new partner creatures of habit and the the protein a new partner, creatures of habit and the protagonist. The how high of protein it has for oatmeal. This is the entire time that I competed.

Starting point is 00:08:30 And by the way, I'm like working on him to try and make a similar formulation that I used to make, but his is far better than anything I ever did. Like he's obviously, he has the chef background. So like it just the texture of its amazing, it tastes so good, and then it's got 30 grams of protein. The calories are still minimal on it, and it's super-satiable. It tastes all the texture of its amazing, it tastes so good, and then it's got 30 grams of protein, the calories are still minimal on it, and it's superstition.

Starting point is 00:08:47 It tastes all the good, it's got the perfect first meal. It's gluten free, which is a huge one for me. I totally don't eat oatmeal just because of that one fact alone. And he used vegan protein, so people that have a dairy. I can't have dairy, I can eat this, it's pea protein, which is a better vegan protein, it's got better essential amino acid content. It's got vitamin D3, omega-3 fatty acids, probiotics, digestive enzymes.

Starting point is 00:09:12 So here's a funny thing with me and oatmeal is, I'll only oatmeal sometimes, but if I eat too consistently, it can sometimes make me bloat or make my energy crash a little bit. And I've checked with my blood sugar and it does affect it. And now this is an individual thing. For most people, oatmeal doesn't do this. This one doesn't, and I think it's because of the protein and the omega-3s in there. It's level.

Starting point is 00:09:33 I've heard you know that. It'd be really interesting to test with our NutriSense, the actual spike. Yes. Yeah, are you watching Chris Ketlin's doing that right now? Are you eating different things? Yeah, because I believe, I don't know if he's, I don't know if he's an investor,

Starting point is 00:09:46 he's just partnered with NutriSense, but I've been seeing him constantly posting about testing all these different foods, and I know he just tested oatmeal the other day. And then I think he had oatmeal, and then he added a scoop of way protein, and it totally made a difference on how his body works. Pro team makes a big difference.

Starting point is 00:10:01 So if you eat it first, especially if you eat it first, like right away, not like you eat it first and wait, just eat the protein first. You see a big difference. If you eat it first, especially if you eat it first, like right away, not like you eat it first and wait, just eat the protein first. You see a big difference in that. And for me, I've connected, like most people, I've connected the blood sugar rise and then drop. Man, I feel like crap when it drops. And then I get irritable and then I get cravings.

Starting point is 00:10:19 So I notice when that happens, I want to reach for more food, I want to take a nap, I don't feel good. But if I have something more balanced, I should fake the protein first, it doesn't happen. Well, this was still awesome for me because I just got back from Hawaii and another one of my favorite, my favorite partners is our other partner, Magixpoon, but the reality of like flying with boxes of cereal was like a little ridiculous. But flying with seven packets of oatmeal was easy, was super easy and all that boiling water in my room was super easy too.

Starting point is 00:10:48 So I started every day off with that. 100%. I'm going to bring that anywhere I travel. 100%. I always bring protein powder. You guys know this. I'll bring protein powder with me. But that's kind of boring.

Starting point is 00:10:58 And I might want some carbs. It might and I want maybe a meal. Boom. Super super easy. I do that. So you had it every morning. Yeah. Every single morning I thought I had to have to treat it. We do that. So you had it every morning. Yeah, every single morning I thought I'd have to have to try try to try to have you give it.

Starting point is 00:11:07 Yeah, Katrina's had although she get the other day, she's like, where's all the new, the all the new oatmeal that you just got? So I actually hit it in one of the covers that she can't reach that she can't reach. She's a cover to you. I mean, yeah, we have covers that she said. Like a little kid or kids. They're super tall. We have one of the ones above our, we're our fridulators at because we have covers as she said. Like a little kid or kids, dude.

Starting point is 00:11:25 They're super tall. We have one of the ones above our, we're our frigerators at cause we have vaulted sealers. Let's get me in trouble now, though, dude. I'm realizing, oh man, my kids are like getting taller. Now this is a real issue. You need everything. Used to be so nice cause you just put it up on that tall shield.

Starting point is 00:11:38 Dude, I have my ice cream that I hide. There's certain foods. You hide, you hide food for real life. I do, I do. It's not just from hers, from food. You hide food for your wife. I do. I do. It's not just from hers, from anybody. It's just like the, who's gonna eat it? It's you who wouldn't hurt them?

Starting point is 00:11:50 Well, we have people come to our house alone. We have a lot of family friends. So like that, we just had family stay at our house for a week while we were, while we were waiting for our ice cream. So I like certain things that I'm like super, like I, that are part of my routine, right? That I like, or I like, for my ice cream, which is not part of my routine, but it's like, if I, I keep a couple of my routine right that I like or I like for my ice cream Which is not part of my routine

Starting point is 00:12:05 But it's like if I I keep a couple in there and if I want it and I'm in a mood for it because I haven't had it in a while I better be able to find it. I'll be pissed if I can't have you done this. Yeah, I'm sure I guarantee Justin has because his kids are older I don't want to see if you've done this already Adam where you'll get a food You don't want your kid eat because maybe it's not healthy for them or whatever or you know It's not gonna be good for their balance. But you see, you have to hide. So we have a pantry, and in the pantry, we'll have the occasional snack, okay?

Starting point is 00:12:32 The occasional, whatever. And I don't necessarily want to really eat it. So sometimes you'll see Jessica or I, well, we'll quietly open the door and then go inside and close the door. And we're in the pantry eating the snacks inside. I'm like, what am I doing? I'm hiding out my own house. Yeah, I did. Have you done that? Of course I've done that. I closed the door and we're in the patch for eating the stuff inside like what am I doing? I

Starting point is 00:12:46 Have you done that? Of course I've done that Yeah, I'll take like labels from something else and I'll slap it in front Goger ice cream So that way it's just mine. Cause I never get it. They always eat it. Like we're fighting all the time. You and my boys like over food now

Starting point is 00:13:11 and they're like at that age with a just consume, you know, everything. And the Courtney gets irritated because I'm like, I'll eat something that like they're expecting to have for breakfast in the morning, especially if it's like, you know, some kind of serial magic spoon or like whatever. And like I will eat it because I'm just like,

Starting point is 00:13:26 I gotta have something because I'm feeling snacky. And then like more, I just hear like not only does ever like yell at me, you know, from, but then of course you ate all of it. I'm like, yeah, it's in my house, it's my house. You just made the best commercial of all time, bro. I'm feeling snacky. I love that.

Starting point is 00:13:44 I love that. I was just feeling snacky. My dad, so my dad did that. So you know what my dad used to do? So he would buy ice cream. Yeah. And he, my dad worked hard seven days a week, always made time to come to dinner. And then after dinner, he would eat something ice cream or something in front of the television

Starting point is 00:13:58 on watch TV. And two things would make my dad just go through the roof and explode with anger. One, can't find their mouth control. So the kids misplaced their mouth control and my dad's looking for it. At some point, he's turning couches upside down and chairs looking for it and just going crazy. So that's one. The other one is he would open the freezer to get his ice cream and it would be gone. Cause kids got to it. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:14:20 So he learned to, he learned a trick. So you guys are familiar with spamoney flavored ice cream. So you know, it's old man ice cream. It's got like nuts and fruit and like weird like nasty. So my dad would buy Spamoney because he knows we wouldn't touch it. And then it was done. If you got like Rocky Road. Yes. You're dad's on that level, dude. He would, he would fill it up with the other one. Yes. And we would have touched it. I do I do we would touch it. So we and I remember I figured out once I open it up It sounds desperate. I'm like, oh I just gonna care open up my Rocky Rocky road Like oh you smart

Starting point is 00:14:54 Yeah, I didn't tell the other kids the move dude. No, I totally I totally hide my stuff like it's only a couple things like that this This oatmeal. I'm on this kick right now that I want it every single morning, right? And I want the flavor that I want at the time I want. So I'm just like particular about it. So I'll be so pissed if I get up and it's like missing. And then the same thing goes for my ice cream. I can only get it from one place. They're like open so often, or I have to get it shipped

Starting point is 00:15:17 to the house, it's a whole ordeal for me to get this special ice cream. And it only comes in the little pines or whatever. And so I always buy four or or five and then I took, we have a deep freezer and I hide it in a certain part of it. And the deep freezer buried underneath like the butcher box means stuff like that. So I know if I get one of those moments where I'm like,

Starting point is 00:15:35 oh, you know what I want right now? I want one of my ice creams. I know I can go there and I can go find it. Oh my God. My son's not old enough yet to figure that stuff out. So that'll be an interesting battle. Oh, sometimes it makes you real angry. And I'm just like, oh, I gotta check myself. because that old enough yet to figure that stuff out. So that'll be an interesting battle in my life. Sometimes it makes you real angry.

Starting point is 00:15:46 And I was like, oh, I gotta check myself. And then I'm like, oh, I guess he's like helping my cravings, you know? Thanks kids. Thanks for like regulating dad, I appreciate it. Courtney's like kids going on the ice cream. Totally. It's firing.

Starting point is 00:15:59 I guarantee you. So, hey, so did you guys see the, okay, so remember, Tonal, when they had that first valuation. Dude. And we all kind of railed on it. And then the owner came on. We had a nice conversation, great guy. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:16:11 And although we still disagreed, it was great conversation, love them. I think the direction they're going is the right one or whatever. Anyway, they're doing another round. And they got, they're asking for evaluation or the evaluation at 1.6. 1.9, it was 1.6 when we called it out.

Starting point is 00:16:26 Okay, 1.6 during the pandemic, the height of everybody getting at home equipment. Right. They laid off 35% of their employees. The pandemic demand has dropped considerably. And that's 1.9. I don't know. I can't. I can't. Where's that?

Starting point is 00:16:39 Yeah. I didn't care. There's a time in all the members. The membership growth. It has 100 million. They have a year in reoccur growth. It has 100 million they have a year in reoccurring memberships, 100 million a year. 100 million.

Starting point is 00:16:50 Which is not, which is great. That's the thing. No, not at all. I don't know how profitable they are though, because of the cost of acting. They have huge athletes, right? Sign on with them. I think Serena Williams is a sign on with them.

Starting point is 00:16:59 Oh, they have LeBron James. Yeah, they have a bunch of big athletes that are endorsing them right now. Yeah, I mean, what do you guys think? I'm still I'm still it's really hard to get me bought in roll look at really cool product. Look up look up Peloton CTO leaves or something so I mean no these companies are these companies are hurting right now I don't care how you how you spin it and try and draw it up right now

Starting point is 00:17:21 It's just because somebody's got committed to it because they you, you had to sign a one-year contract with them. So telling me you have a one-year contract and then a hundred million dollars. That's true. Caron to you coming in, it doesn't mean anything to me. That's true. Until that's, wait a year or two. Yeah, wait a year.

Starting point is 00:17:33 It's, we haven't even been a year beyond the pandemic cooling down. Like, you, there, I mean, just less than a year ago, people were still scared of death to go inside of a gym. So wait until that dust settles first, and then we'll talk about, I mean, it's gonna be an expensive coat hanger, dude. Or a laundry dryer, like that everybody,

Starting point is 00:17:51 when people have those, I had a, and I, you know what, I don't know if I shared this on the show or not, but I think I shared an interview that I did that I wanted to clarify, I think, where my passion comes from with like tools like this, because they were like like oh, you know It was it was Jennifer Cohen Jennifer Cohen with her and I were talking to the phone and she's like, why do you shit on every investment?

Starting point is 00:18:13 Because she always like I love Jen and she's she's an investor self, right? And so she'll always send stuff over and I don't even waste your guys's time because I know how you guys will feel about it And she'll send me over. Hey, I got this you know, it's a fitness tool. It's always like a fitness tool, right? Like the Axel bar, like all these, and I think all of them are cool, right? For our own machine. And she's always like, why do you, why do you always shit on these things?

Starting point is 00:18:33 And I'm like, you know what, I should probably clarify like why I'm so quick to shit on them, I said I'm not a fan of these things because one, I know it's not the solution for 95% of the people. Like it's not the missing piece that is going to help. It's not the missing piece that is going to help. It's not because we don't have the right tool. Yeah, and I said, you know, the thing that comes

Starting point is 00:18:49 in mind, I was very close to my best friend's mom. Like, she was like another mom to me. She passed away a few years ago, and we were really, really close. And I remember, and so she's known me since I was a child, right, so ever since I was in like third grade, all the way to adulthood, obviously I got into fitness, as I got older. And I, she used to have this room and this lot,

Starting point is 00:19:09 it was a big loft. And the entire thing was literally an infomercial from the last 20 years. So it's like a gym, but not with like weights. It's like, no, it's cosy. It's both the hump machine, the, you know, the, the, the norra track, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the Nordic track, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the tell her, like this is not the answer. And of course, she still would still fall in that trap,

Starting point is 00:19:48 even having her son who was into health and fitness and stuff like that. I couldn't get through to her. And so really freshman, obviously she passed and still was. It's not gonna revolutionize fitness. No, it just isn't. It's not. No, and you may get, none of those tools are.

Starting point is 00:20:01 No, and what you may get, if you do a good job, you may catch a trend or fat, but then the fat fades. Like, you know, a thymasther, which is literally a piece of crap. It's literally a piece of crap, right? So it's a high, it's a spring. It's the highest grossing piece of exercise equipment of all time.

Starting point is 00:20:19 Now, nobody buys a thymasther anymore, right? And it didn't change anything. It didn't solve any problem. It's like the pet rock. Yeah. How much different is it, really? Yeah it didn't change anything. It didn't solve any problem. It's like the pet rock. Yeah. How much different is it really? Yeah. It's all marketing. It and so it just doesn't solve anything. So when someone pitches a fitness tool idea and says, this is going to be a billion dollar business. Well, it's hard for me to buy one of the things that we do on the shows. We're always trying to help the individual figure out

Starting point is 00:20:43 the root cause of why they have struggled reaching their health and fitness goals. And I can, with 100% certainty tell you that everybody listening, the root cause of why they have not achieved their health and fitness goals has nothing to do with the tool that they are using. Has everything to do with behaviors and your relationship with exercise, your relationship with food. The best tools already exist. So, strength training, first of all, you don't need equipment. You can use just use your body, but there's free weights, which there's

Starting point is 00:21:16 yet to do it. There's yet a piece of equipment invented that'll trump just the pair of dumbbells in a bench in terms of versatility and who can work for and all that stuff, right? There's some equipment that's better for some things, but generally speaking, there's nothing. Cardio, right? Nothing is, you don't need equipment to do cardio. You could literally walk. And there's cardio machines and all the different ones

Starting point is 00:21:35 kind of do the same thing. Flexibility mobility, you don't need equipment for that. So it's not a tool, especially not one of these fad tools, you know? Now, we'll say this, okay? Because I also want wanna be fair. It's pretty cool to use. I like it.

Starting point is 00:21:49 Tonal is smooth, it's a smooth cable machine. For upper body, it's really cool at adjusted resistance. If you're a fitness fanatic and you wanna add it to your repertoire of equipment, I could see some value there. But I don't see it changing the general, how the general person views it. Out of all of us, I but I don't see it. So you know that. Changing the general, you know, how the general person views. Out of all of us, I think I use it the most. Right, I used it the most.

Starting point is 00:22:10 Yeah. No, why I don't use it, you don't see me using it, Harley at all right now. It's just, it's too much effort to go use it for something so basic and simple. Oh yeah, you got it, yeah. Like I, so when I, you could just select right from here. When I first started talking about it

Starting point is 00:22:23 and I first used it, because of course, we got it in here and I'm like, I'm course, we got it in here, and I'm like, I'm gonna use it and apply it. I was like, man, this is really cool for upper body, like bench press and shoulder press, and some exercises on there. I love the variable resistance that I can do on it, so thought that was really cool, very interactive.

Starting point is 00:22:37 All this cool neat features. But after that, kind of newness of being neat, and trying it all out, kind of wore off. And by the way, since day one, I've said it absolutely sucks for lower body. It's a piece of shit for lower body. I don't care What you say? Piece of shit Do we have it you bail of them trying to solve the Make sure they don't be the one that's a clip right? I mean, that's the truth right for lower body It's just honest. Yeah, it absolutely sucks upper body. It's actually pretty cool

Starting point is 00:23:02 But the reason why you never see me it's just it's too much work to go do a try to push down. I can move right over to the free motion machine and move the pin. Yeah, move the pin, two seconds, I'm going on it. It's like, I have to navigate through all the digital stuff to set it all up, to set it on the resistance. I want to go to the character or the person I want to show me, it's like, it's too much.

Starting point is 00:23:21 Yeah, that's true. It's too much for something so basic and simple. What I need about that is the tech person mind because they're so entrenched in like, it's too much. Yeah, it's true. It's too much for something so basic and simple. Yeah, what I mean about that is the tech, person, mind, because they're so entrenched and like we can always innovate, innovate, innovate our way through that problem. So, presenting is like a problem of simplicity. So, there are thoughts where I like watch this happen is going to be to walk in and have, you know, your whole data and everything on like a wearable. So, that way you go up to the machine

Starting point is 00:23:46 and then it just like connects with that right amount and you just go. But it's like to be able to set that up is gonna take so much time and effort. And anyway, it's just kind of funny to me that like we try to innovate our way through what is already a very simple project. I see it as a, will it be here in 10 years?

Starting point is 00:24:07 I don't know. I don't know if it will be, if it is here in 10 years still, it will be, it'll be a niche product that the ultra wealthy have as an addition to their fitness routine. You know what I see? I see the, like our buddy Brendan, who is a major investor and obviously a major defender of this company, has one and he promotes it and uses it all the time. But that dude is a super fitness dude already

Starting point is 00:24:35 and like he incorporates that into his routine. He also goes to Orange Theory and does all these other things and stuff like that. And so I could see like if I had it at my house, maybe I would move to hop on it, maybe, maybe. You know, I use my PRX, what would it use my PRX? What's more? It's barbells.

Starting point is 00:24:51 You know what I think my last 10 years is the technology, the resistance, the way that they create resistance with the tech. That will probably make it. But I mean, I can tell you right now fitness equipment wise, the revolutions that I've experienced in the last 25 years, and then of them, I can tell you right now fitness equipment wise, the revolutions that I've experienced in the last 25 years. And none of them, and I'm literally gonna say things

Starting point is 00:25:09 that changed how gyms look. Okay, so they went, they went nationwide and now worldwide and they still didn't move the needle when it came to the average person. I remember when the elliptical got invented. Okay, I remember that like it was yesterday. It was all treadmills and stationary bikes and stairmasters. All of a sudden pre-core comes out with an elliptical

Starting point is 00:25:28 and now ellipticals are one of the most popular pieces of card equipment in gym. So I remember when that happened. I remember when plate loaded equipment, not barbells, but plate loaded machines like Hammer Strength came out. That revolutionized machines completely. Before that it was either selectorized or free weights. hammer strength comes in and that revolutionized that market neither one of them

Starting point is 00:25:49 Move the needle you know move the needle more than both of them crossfit of all things crossfit move the needle more because it got people to do These basic exercises been around for hundreds of years barbell squads deadlifts clean Presses built the community low buried entry right, low buried entry too. Super low buried entry, it was about behaviors. They tapped into the community. They tapped into something that really worked with some people and that did more to move the needle than both ellipticals and- I wonder how many for it to be a very successful

Starting point is 00:26:19 viable company for an extended period of time. I wonder what the run rate as far as like what they need to have is what I would predict would happen is and very soon if it hasn't reached already because I would predict that it's reached kind of its peak right now and if anything you're going to see either a slow drop off or just a flat line of exchange of dropping off and adding new people. So I think all the advertising, all the promotions are doing with people and with that, will continue to introduce new people, have never tried to use it into it. You're gonna drop off.

Starting point is 00:26:53 But the same at the same rate that they'll be falling off. And I guess the question I would have is that, you know, what does the company need to retain for it to be a long-term vote? Because, I mean, you got $100 million a year, and that's not, I mean, that's... It isn't, but that doesn't mean that they're profitable. I mean, you've seen some of these companies... Well, yeah, if you're spending 100 million

Starting point is 00:27:14 in partnerships and advertising and... And also the equipment and everything. Yeah, and also the equipment. I wonder what the margins are if any, right? To make them and then to deliver them because the margins are probably razor thin because their goal is to get the reoccurring revenue. That would be my guess. My guess would be that they look at the equipment. Well, from everything I've seen, yeah, in that industry, that's the hardest thing is like, yeah, you do have like a very slim margin, you know,

Starting point is 00:27:39 of profitability there. And so I think their angle is really, it's the reoccurring subscription, which to me is the most annoying part, right? Because like I just want the cool machine. I don't want to need this like, but well, somebody doesn't know how to do all the movements and all that. That's kind of the pitch. It isn't. It isn't though. I mean, both Peloton and Tonal and Mirror, all those those tools, they actually charge a lot for the actual piece too. They do, but I don't know if that's a big margin. I mean, it's expensive. I mean, you're talking about like,

Starting point is 00:28:06 what's sophisticated? Well, 30, 300, 400 bucks for the tonal. Is that what it is? I think so. That's expensive, bro. It is, but I wonder if, I mean, here's the, we bought that, okay. We bought that free motion machine, okay,

Starting point is 00:28:17 which basically does everything that does with the simplicity of moving the pen, right? You can move the arms. It's like $1,500 or something, right? It costs us $1,000. That's all. Now Now we bought it used. Now it takes up more space and all that, too. Brand new is three to 5,000, so I've looked at this.

Starting point is 00:28:30 How much has a pair of dumbbells, adjustable dumbbells in a bench cost? Well, yeah, but I mean, I'm trying to compare some that's very similar. Very, very similar to that as a machine. It would be a cable machine, right? It's like almost identical to that without the tech, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:28:42 So I mean, that's a big hurdle. If it costs you more to, like, yeah, if you could build that for less, and it's more compact and like, and it's as good, like, then you got it, then you have something that could rival that. Then why would you buy a free motion? Right.

Starting point is 00:28:58 Because now you would actually have a bigger market, you open up, like, if you're, now I'm a gym, like, I'm a big gym chain. Oh, wow, instead of us having free motions, we'll put a couple of these, you know, these on the wall, these tunnels or mirrors on the wall, but I mean, not if they cost twice as much as the free motion machine would cost. Yeah. And it can't do anything more than they, I mean, as far as the basic movements on it, I

Starting point is 00:29:21 mean, you can do more tech wise on there, but yeah, I don't know if it's going to be around that long. What did you look up? What pal what happened with peloton CEO? Yeah, he, uh, well, he sold, I think $50 million worth of his share. Yeah, he's out. And he's out. Yeah, he shares like 10 bucks right now. Remember the peak and during the what happened? Yeah, they had some, some, some something happened that was like a, the demand dropped considerably. And then they were first they couldn't meet demand Yeah, then they tried to meet demand by increasing. I thought there was some bad information Yeah, they're about to accident person that got hurt then there was something like that

Starting point is 00:29:53 Yeah, kid got killed you know what it is about told why they're getting these valuations is that they're pitching investors Like they're a tech company. That's why they're not pitching them as a fitness company I don't think they get a valuation if it wasn't for the data, the tech. So there's the other point to it then, like if are they gonna be able to sell this data that they're acquiring from everybody? I don't know, like, cause that would be valuable from the company perspective.

Starting point is 00:30:14 Yeah, that would only be valuable if they were to be able to keep those people consistently working out. Yeah, and that's gonna be the, and so that's selling point. The selling point is around the tech in your right. That's the reason why I can get the evaluation that it's getting this like 10x evaluation or whatever, right?

Starting point is 00:30:29 So that is the selling point, but what they need from that, and that was the argument that I had when we had tonal on here, and I think the argument that I got into with Brendan is that you still need these people to use this super consistently in order for that data to be very useful. If they, if they have at all similar behaviors to what we've seen with humans in exercise and gyms, 85% drop off.

Starting point is 00:30:53 Yeah. Then that, that information is going to not going to be accurate. Any, listen to me, all over the board. Any and all exercise forms have a similar drop off rate. Any and all exercise forms. Now you know what changes that is if you have a similar drop off rate. Any and all exercise forms. Now, you know what changes that? Is if you have a good trainer. If you have a good trainer, if you have a good instructor,

Starting point is 00:31:08 the drop off rate drops considerably. But it's still pretty big. It's why I always tell trainers and coaches, it's a hard job because even if you crush, you're still gonna fail more than you succeed. But you're gonna do a lot better than when a person is on the run. It's also back to your point why CrossFit

Starting point is 00:31:20 was so successful is that it's led by a... Correct, yeah. 100%. All right, speaking of studies and data. So this this is really cool I saw this post and I looked at the data and it's actually true they compared creatine to antidepressants for mild to moderate depression. Cratein actually upperformed in some cases for depression really yes create so I've known that creatine has anti-depressive effects, but in many populations, it's actually more effective

Starting point is 00:31:49 than taking a drug that's like an anti-depressant, actually more effective at treating depression. So for somebody who, now, you obviously don't go off your anti-depressant to start taking creatine because you heard this on Mind Pump, I'm not a doctor, but you could safely, most people could safely take care team regardless. And notice if you see a difference in your moods. Wow, because we knew I had like a cognitive boost, right?

Starting point is 00:32:11 If you're deficient, but yeah, I didn't know it had an antidepressant quality too. Yeah, well, ATP is the energy that fuels every cell in your body, right, through the mitochondria. So you increase ATP, you have more energy, you're probably gonna feel better physically, which can you increase ATP, you have more energy, you're probably going to feel better. Sure. Physically, which can give you measurable, you know, somewhat measurable effects on depression.

Starting point is 00:32:30 I find that this really is the wellness supplement. Bro, I tell you what, I've had people, I'm having people DM me. So what do we predict when we first start a podcast seven years ago? Crateen is going to be eventually marketed as a wellness supplement, a health supplement. It's going to be marketed to the elderly. It's going to be marketed to the elderly. It's going to be marketed for cognitive function. Sure enough, people are sending me now supplements that are pure wellness and health, not muscle building, not performance, pure like improved longevity, improved health. They all have creatinine in them.

Starting point is 00:32:58 It's starting to happen already. Isn't that great? Yeah. I'm feeling depressed. I'm pretty much pretty. I'm not. Yeah, I mean, it's inflation, dude. Oh, bro.

Starting point is 00:33:07 Oh, fuck it. Did you see the numbers? When are we going to flatten this curve? No, it's just more like two weeks. Yes, you know, more like a new policy that'll really help this time. No, dude. So it looked like it was slowing down, but then new numbers came out and it's, it actually is accelerating again.

Starting point is 00:33:24 So it's not looking good. And it's boot, bro, in some countries in Europe, I believe I believe in position as we're recording this. And I don't think I've seen it in the news yet. I don't know if you've been on enough, but we were supposed to come out with the increased rate again. I think it's supposed to go up 75 basis points. You know, historically, and that what then that will again affect mortgage rates. we are going to see and I wish I I would go back on my own pump and see what I predicted at the end of this year was. But it's we're going to hit north of seven, dude. We're going to be seven to eight percent interest rates.

Starting point is 00:33:55 When less than a year ago, we were in the three and a half. Yeah, yeah, crazy. Historically, the way that the only way that inflation has gotten crushed is when they raised the rate higher than inflation. So when they when they when they raise the rate higher than inflation. So when they, when they, when the, when the, is that true? Yeah, I didn't know that. They, they, they have to, they have to really break the back of inflation with high, high, that's how they,

Starting point is 00:34:14 yeah, painful proposition. Who wasn't, it did it during, during Reagan's administration, was it Volker, who raised, maybe you could see what they raised the rate to, but I mean, they had to raise the shit out of it and it caused a small recession. So Reagan gets into office and one of his- So the poor cases was the lower inflation.

Starting point is 00:34:29 Okay, so the part of me that I don't understand completely and why it was already weird that we took this long to do it. And then now that, and we have this variation, and we have that historical data that I actually wasn't familiar with, why would we not push those rates? Why did we do that three months ago?

Starting point is 00:34:48 Why would we not, instead of 75 basis points, why would we not go, I mean, why are they doing it slow? Because it'll cause a recession and we're in political, I mean, but isn't that necessary to get us out of inflation? That's what a lot of economists will say. I mean, yeah, it's, I mean, it's, what does that say there? Yeah, so inflation had gone up to 17.6% and it would near 20% at times in 1981. Wow.

Starting point is 00:35:15 Yeah, so what did the higher interest, what did the interest rates go up to? I'm trying to see that. I'm not sure. Oh, 13.7%. Oh, 13.7. Yeah, I mean, do you know how much house, but what mortgages were after that?

Starting point is 00:35:25 They were in the teens. Wow. Well, my first mortgage was. Oh, was it? Yeah, yeah. Oh, wow. I had, I did have a blended rate because I put 3% down back then, which was a total mistake.

Starting point is 00:35:37 It was a 5'1 arm or whatever. No, no, it was a 30 year, but you couldn't do, you can't do a traditional 30 year and put less than 20% Oh, I see. The bank will not, will not lend you more than 80% of the money. So what you'd have to do Is you get alone for 80% and then you get another loan for the 20% Oh, I see. And because one of them was adjustable. Yeah, well, no, not one of them was an adjustable either It had a fixed rate too, but the fixed rate was high. So the first one was a decent rate at night, it was 9.5%, and then I had a 13%. So I had a blended rate of like 11 points something on the entire mortgage.

Starting point is 00:36:12 Yeah, so my very first mortgage was like that high. Yeah, because we had a really bad inflation in the 70s, and then Reagan wanted to stop that, gets into office, and they raise interest rates, inflation goes down, but we go into recession. Then we came out of it, and that's, you know down, but we go into a recession. Then we came out of it, and that's, of course Reagan got reelected. Did it say what they raised, what they did, Doug, on that?

Starting point is 00:36:31 Yeah, I didn't see that. Yeah, I didn't know. I don't know if it fits. But the problem is we have debt, we have huge amount of debt, we won't be able to service if we raise it too high. And I don't know if it needs to be. It's almost like, I mean,

Starting point is 00:36:43 it's like to rip the, like we're slowly peeling the bad day off right now. And it's like, I feel like it'd be less painful. Just, well, you know what the problem is, is that if you, if you have money and you save your money, which is old wisdom, right, old wisdom is spend less than you make, save the money. If you save your money, you're losing value

Starting point is 00:37:05 at a rate that's ridiculous right now. Meaning $100,000 in the bank today, next year is worth $10,000 less, for example, because you can buy $10,000 less worth of goods and services. So your only strategy is starting to become aggressively invest, try to find assets that will beat inflation. And as inflation goes up, for the interest rates get too crazy. People have to get assets that will beat inflation.

Starting point is 00:37:25 And as inflation goes up, interest rates get too crazy. People have to get more risky with their investments. So it's kind of crazy. So I think it's going to inflate the asset market. You're going to see more assets. That's a part to me that I can't wrap my brain around right now. Is that, can the housing market and stock market, can it keep running?

Starting point is 00:37:47 Of course, it works. We're seeing the correction, but is the correction going to be like this little minor correction? And then it's going to start to rise again, because we are not going to feel the full effect. So this new, what's the new one? 600 billion? 600 billion? Like, just like it, I don't even think we're- It's supposed to reduce inflation.

Starting point is 00:38:04 I don't think- I'm printing more money supposed to reduce inflation now. I don't think, yeah, printing more money and never reduce it. It's the funniest thing ever. I believe in the CNE class too. Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, I don't even think we fully have felt the trillions of dollars that we're just praying for. We're still trying to work through that process.

Starting point is 00:38:19 Just wait until they pay off $20,000 with people's loans. It's just the student loans. Weird, it's weird. It's really, I think, really reshaping. It's just the student loans. That's weird. It's weird. It's really, I think, really reshaping. Not only our economy, but even our culture and how you're gonna view owning a home and stuff. I mean, that's like one of the primary focuses

Starting point is 00:38:36 for somebody who's like the part of American dream, right? Get your own house. Yeah, own your house, get married, have two enough kids, whatever. And that's going to change I mean if it keeps going this way, it's going it's already moving out of like if you live anywhere in California and you and

Starting point is 00:38:54 Anywhere near the Bay Area or so I thought like you have to make a million dollars. You will nothing be happy I don't that's what they said. That's what it's moving towards though. Yeah, I don't know about the be happy part But okay, well I don't know about the be happy part, but okay. Well, I tell you know what though? There is some good news because there's new, there are new products and new ways to invest that are getting introduced in the market all the time that allow people, for example, in the past

Starting point is 00:39:16 if you wanted to invest in companies. You'd be credit. Credit investor, $250,000 a year. Yeah, or you have to have a million dollars with the assets or something like that, right? To be an angel investor. Well, now there's a company called Start Engine. You can go on there.

Starting point is 00:39:29 In fact, there's a company we work with that we invested in called CareMinder that you can invest in. So I suggest the audit. In fact, we talked about this on a previous episode. So you can look into this. But if you go to startengine.com forward slash care minder, you can look this up.

Starting point is 00:39:42 But Start Engine itself lists all these companies that are raising money from investors before they go public before they're on the stock exchange before they get bought out or whatever. And it's cool because you're just a regular Joe. You don't have to be a major angel investor. No, you could go on this one with care mind or anything. The minimums three in a box for three in a box. You can own a piece of this company. It's and when they exit, if they do exit, the payback can be pretty good.

Starting point is 00:40:08 So for people who want to invest to fight inflation, there's more and more tools that are available now to people. Is that, are you sure that's still going? I know they are closing that round out soon. When is that going to close out? At the end of the month, I think the 29th. So this is it. As you can invest in care minder anymore on there. Yeah. Okay, but start in general, there's other companies on there as well. Yeah, no, end of the month, I think the 29th. So this is it. As you can invest in care mind or anymore on there.

Starting point is 00:40:25 Yeah. Okay, but start engine, there's other companies on there as well. Yeah, no, that's really cool. I know there's a couple other companies besides start engine that do it now. There's I think two or three out there that actually open it up and the fact that you can only, you can be as little as $300 in there.

Starting point is 00:40:38 Although I would caution the average person or a potential investor. You have to just have 300 bucks to your name. Yeah, Angel and Angel investing is extremely high risk, right? It's much higher risk. It's not the conservative way of going up. But I mean, if you're somebody who's gambling, like I do, and if you gamble on sports and so like that,

Starting point is 00:40:58 like I'd much rather, like that's my attitude now. I was like, okay, yeah, I'd sports bet $300 to $500 on a weekend of football, so like that, like I'd rather put that in a company that I believe in or what that and like ride that out. So I'm much, when it comes to investments, I can be pretty conservative, right? I don't like, I can be risky with business, but you know, with my own business, but when it comes to money I invest, I tend to be more conservative. And one thing I found for myself is investing in companies that I believe in, because it

Starting point is 00:41:24 allows me to ride the ups and downs. Like if I just invest in a company, I was like, oh, you got investments, companies, really cool. And I don't, I don't really believe in them. And I watch them drop and it stresses me out. But if I like believe in what they're doing, then I tend to be like, well, cool. I know it's going to do well because I understand what they're doing. It's a tangible thing.

Starting point is 00:41:40 Yeah. And it's that, that's always been my concern with a lot of the digital stuff out there that people are investing in and putting their money towards because of the waves of the highs that it goes through. So, yeah, in terms of being somewhat more on the conservative side, lean more in that direction on real tangible companies or real tangible properties or things. Well, I agree with you, Sabati, having this belief, because here's the thing I know. It's a fact, okay? If we percentage wise, the reality is that, we're gonna be what, nine or 10 companies now that we will be invested in.

Starting point is 00:42:18 The reality is that probably less than half of them will make it big and sell off and be successful and will make money off and sell off and be successful. I won't make make money off it for sure, right? But the fact that all of them, I'm super pro the business and I love the business allows me not to worry about the day to day or whatever I thought is I'm always going to be rooting for them and I hope they're they end up being the one that makes it. And so I'm not I'm not like a freaking out every emotional dip one that makes it. And so I'm not like freaking out every emotional dip

Starting point is 00:42:46 or whatever on it. And I'm constantly rude. So I think that is an important thing. You should probably should not invest in something that because somebody else told you to. It should be something that you're like, oh, I believe in that what they're doing. I think, I mean, that's when we first,

Starting point is 00:42:58 when I first heard about Luna, what got me so excited about that was, my best friend is a physical therapist. We lived together for almost 10 years, and every night he'd come home from his job, I'd come home from my job, we'd share everything about, we were young, right, when our early 20s, so you're so excited about everything you're doing

Starting point is 00:43:15 and we'd have all these discussions around our industry. And so I got to learn a lot about the physical therapy industry and all the bottlenecks and challenges that they have. And when I heard what Luna was doing, I was so fascinated by like, oh my God, that is a super disruptor, especially when you can disrupt a space like that. And everybody wins because that doesn't happen a lot, right? Like sure, there's, there's companies that come in disrupt and it's like, oh, the company wins or the consumer wins. But for everybody that's touched by that business is actually winning from that excites me about the company wins or the consumer wins, but for everybody that's touched by that business

Starting point is 00:43:45 is actually winning from that, excites me about the company or else we wouldn't be messing with it. You know what I'm trying to look for right now? I wanna read this to you guys. I'm trying to find, oh here it is. Did you guys know that NASA, what a bad idea? Justin, you're gonna love this.

Starting point is 00:43:56 NASA went out and asked the community to name the mission to Uranus. Shut your face. So they're gonna send a probe to Uranus. Shut your face. So they're gonna send a probe to Uranus. Are you setting a joke up right now? No, no. That's the real thing. Yeah, and they're like, you know,

Starting point is 00:44:12 what are some names that we can, you know, what are some good names from our fans or whatever that we can name this? So here's some of the ones that they came up with. Yeah, let me hear some of these. So one of them was advanced new Uranus space mission. So that's A name this. So here's some of the ones that they came up with. Yeah, let me hear some of these. So one of them was the advanced new Uranus space mission. So that's Aenus. The next one was, was better Uranus telemetry tracking, but

Starting point is 00:44:33 nice. Yeah. Good afternoon. Planetary orbital observation probe poop. So it's just, it's like, man, when you ask the public to do this, yeah, what do you think that you're going to get? Yeah, I think the, I think the UK did, I think the you trolled all day. I think the UK did I think I think it was UK There there's new Navy ship. Yes, the thing I brought this so yeah, I was in stock Yeah, Boatie McBooterson or something. Yeah, what?

Starting point is 00:44:54 Because they had to name it that because that's a public one of yes Yeah, exactly like they had this this naval ship that they're docking or whatever and they're asking all the local like scots like what they wanted to name it. So, you know, they were just totally messing with them and like wrote in, and voted for Bodie McBoterson instead of like some like, Bodie McBotface. It was Bodie McBotface. Okay. Shit.

Starting point is 00:45:18 So that's the official name of the bus. So they just went with that. It's like, yeah. Yeah, that's the public. Pretty funny. That's like the new move now is to like, to troll people in like, at mass size like that, right? It's like that board ape yacht club thing that we talked about.

Starting point is 00:45:33 Dude, if you asked the internet something, like be careful, bro, because the internet will band together to troll the shit out of you. Are they really going to Uranus though? You know, like, because I know, not mine, you just admitted it. That's it. I thought that was about it.

Starting point is 00:45:47 Yeah, we've got ya. But I mean, because Mars is the big push, right? That's the one that's like, E-line and everybody's getting on in terms of like, trying to get actual physically there. So this is just like a probe that's. Uh huh. Okay.

Starting point is 00:46:02 A probe in your hands. It's so hard. It's so hard. It's so hard. It's so hard dude. If I was in junior hiring, I would be just terrible. Are you guys continuing to watch the streaming wars? Are you guys paying attention to all that stuff? I mean, I bring that to the table.

Starting point is 00:46:14 Well, there's like big shows out right now. I know, there's rings of power. There's the, the, the, Oh, they're on the big guns out. Yeah, but have you guys heard, are they having the throping in? Because they spent huge things.

Starting point is 00:46:26 Rings of power is like major things was, I'm sure did a lot for net. Oh, wait a minute. When's the new stranger things coming out? That I'm excited for. I don't know. I just came out. I mean, it was not even like,

Starting point is 00:46:35 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, the next season they have another season coming out. Oh, yeah, but I'm saying the latest one just came out like less than six months ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I'm sure they got a while before that one. Yeah, I watched, you know what I watched speaking of streaming

Starting point is 00:46:46 on Netflix, they just released a more BS. Oh, I see that. That's terrible. That was so- That was in the internet slug. Well, so I feel like you go, because there's so much, right? There's a plethora of streaming options. And I feel like you go, this is probably the city.

Starting point is 00:47:03 You know, I want to, I want to see more. I've been 10. Yeah, why are. You know, I want to see more. I want to see more. Yeah, why there's so much, I can't even keep up with all the good stuff that's out there on right now. And you still choose to watch shitty stuff. No, no, you know what it is?

Starting point is 00:47:13 You know what it is? I love, I kind of, I love superhero stuff. I love superhero stuff. So I'll watch shitty superhero stuff and then at the end of it, be upset for myself. Well, let's be honest, like if you know, it's like a shitty movie and you're still going you're going in with that mentality is totally different. Yes Yes, it's like you can enjoy it for being so bad. Sorry right now. What's streaming? Are you any of you guys even watching?

Starting point is 00:47:36 City on the hill no, I am of course of course you are great That's great No, I gotta show for you guys. I gotta show for you and you'll love a severance. Have you seen it yet on Apple? The what? It's the best show I've seen in a long time. Wow, so it's so good. I got four episodes in and I couldn't, it was so slow.

Starting point is 00:47:55 Okay, so it's so slow for you. You gotta understand Justin, Doug and Adam are like, they're like, if it's not grape-pupon, I don't want to. Yeah, I know exactly. I'm every super far. Sorry. The concept is so, that the way I was telling you about where it sounds awesome. You go, yeah, he goes to work. And

Starting point is 00:48:09 it's just like you complete has a different life. So the concept sucked me in enough where I watched four episodes, because I wanted it to be great. But it just it was too slow, bro. Okay, so where are you? Separate. Oh, does it? It does. Yeah. So maybe I'll try it. Yeah, if someone tells me that something had just because there? It does, yeah. So maybe I'll try it, dude. Cause if someone tells me that something, hey, just because there's some things that take, and maybe that's Mike,

Starting point is 00:48:28 cause perspective too, cause we kind of burned through the first four. It was kind of, you know, I was like, mindlessly interested, and then I got real interested. So it must have been a hook and a- Yeah, the concept is like, the idea of it, sounds like, yeah, it's very interesting to me.

Starting point is 00:48:42 And it, and it's like, what do you want? The ines versus the Audi's, right? Yeah, so they're the... You know what it reminds me of? Was it the Manhattan Project when they built the atomic bomb? So they would have loved to have something like that. You know what they do when they... They can't part-manalize everybody.

Starting point is 00:48:54 Yeah, you know what they do when they built the atomic bomb? Nobody communicated with each other. Cause they wanted nobody to know what was going on. So these guys worked on this problem and didn't know anything else. These people over here worked on this problem and didn't know anything else. And they tried to keep it as secret as possible. The Russian still got it. Yeah. Now, so I mean, that got me for

Starting point is 00:49:11 a second, but it was like I said, it was too slow. But city on the hill is like, you want to talk about great script writing, great acting, like good story long. So it's like it's 80s, 70s, 80s. Yeah, it's early 80s and Kevin Bacon plays an incredible part He's kind of like this corrupt douche bag kind of cop but his role is incredible So it goes back in time So it's telling a story of a character that probably really existed and that top some ladies and go fuck that's why it's cool That's why it's cool He is literally that he's literally that character and it's a it's a it's cool. He is literally that small. He's literally that character. And it's his journey.

Starting point is 00:49:47 Could you have a mustache? He does. Oh yeah, great one now. I wanna watch it now. No, he plays a great character. They have good actors and actresses in it. And it's a good plot. So that's a, but I'm not even current on that.

Starting point is 00:49:59 So I'm behind on that one and some other ones that are really good. But I was asking about the streaming because of what Disney Plus is doing now. What are they doing? So Disney Plus just came out the CEO. So augmented, real stuff. Oh, I read stuff.

Starting point is 00:50:14 So they are moving in the direction of, they do not want to be labeled as like a traditional like streaming service. They really are trying to move into this interactive space. And I also, interesting. I asked you guys each individually about the whole thing with your kids if your kids are starting to do and that was the and it must have been Disney plus I saw it first where you can join a group to watch together to yeah that watch the show together. So if you have this back in the day we used to

Starting point is 00:50:40 do that and we just sit together and watch. Now I'm saying I mean you don't want to do something. I mean, you're right, and we joke, and we laugh about how true is it, that's how our kids play now, right? My son, my son, I don't remember what's the app called or how they do that. I think it's through Disney streaming. So my son's done it with other things. There's other apps and stuff,

Starting point is 00:50:58 so he does it with his friends. Yeah, I have not done it. I asked you guys, because that's curious if you're kids have, because obviously that probably appeals to that generation more, that they meet in row blocks, that do the new video gaming stuff like that. So yeah and so they are trying to make it a more interactive experience to the point where and the goal and

Starting point is 00:51:14 the mission of the company is to give 90% of the people that would never make it to the Disney parks the experience through their streaming services. So doing this augmented reality and virtual reality like experience of the things that they would do the park and then also being able to track your behaviors at the park and Disney store and Disney stuff that you do and being able to tell your content and the stuff that you will like to that. So now Justin could be a princess at home? Yes. I was just saying, so now I could have somebody harassed me

Starting point is 00:51:46 to put my mask over my nose. Oh, thanks. I mean, virtual hell. This, they don't understand. Justin's got a huge nose. Doesn't fit. Yeah, exactly. He slips down.

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Starting point is 00:55:04 You put out there. It's a go. I'd just personally like to say, love all your content you put out there. It's greatly appreciated. I've got like my family onto all your episodes and podcasts. So yeah, my first question for you today is I've recently completed a Olympic weight lifting training block with study web star, a friend of yours. And I was just wondering how I can keep up these skills and everything, like, sorry, so I'm running my son of Bollywick. And I was just wondering how I can add in some of these skill, like the Olympic, the the clinic jerk and the snatch into my training with that overtraining because I've heard you guys say before that to strictly run these programs as is so that we don't over train.

Starting point is 00:55:55 Okay, so let me get that, so let me just clarify. So you want to continue doing a maps program. Yeah. You also would like to incorporate some of these Olympic lifts so that you don't lose the skill of them. Correct. Yes. Correct. Easy.

Starting point is 00:56:10 Yeah. Yeah. Replace a couple of the squats in anabolic. And then I would even do like on some trigger days, like working on your technique with like super lightweight or no weight. Just control for the volume. So you know, I would replace, I would not,

Starting point is 00:56:27 it's like I wouldn't cut out like barbell curls for a clean because that's not really a fair volume trade. But like a deadlift, a squat, those exercises could probably, maybe set to set, right? So like, if I'm gonna do a set of cleans, then I'll probably do one less set of squats, for example.

Starting point is 00:56:47 Yeah, so you could just do the volume trade and then take it from there. And then as far as the intensity is concerned, I mean, you've already done a competition, so you know, the proper intensity for Olympic lifting while you're training with a particular type of frequency. That's really all you want to do, and then kind of feel it out,

Starting point is 00:57:06 because I'm saying it's a one-to-one trade. Olympic lifting is very explosive, so depending on how you feel, it may be more like two sets for every set of cleans, for example, or vice versa. So you're going to kind of feel it out, but essentially you want to, you want to equate for volume. Yeah, yeah, also, okay. And would this be the same with all the other programs? Like I've

Starting point is 00:57:30 got maps and a body maps performance and maps aesthetic. So yeah, yeah. That was a form and it's easy. Yeah. Yeah. For the most part. Now, you're going to have to play with them a little bit because some programs are You know much more body building focused You know that kind of like like split might be a little bit more challenging Because each workout isn't full body. So it's like where do we put the where do I put the cleans and the snatches on back day High pole and in performance, which is a natural fit there to replace So there's there's opportunities for that and like in strong as well, you know, there'd be probably

Starting point is 00:58:07 a lot more opportunities to just do a straight tradeout. But in terms of like what they're talking about with volume, that's kind of how you'd have to look at it and then sprinkle in just real light, you know, practicing of those movements during the frequency builder days. Yeah, that's right. I think if it was on a trigger or a focus day, I think I would still be, because obviously Olympic lifts are far more technical than any of your traditional lifts. So I'd be doing those just like super lightweight, you know, just work technique days. Instead of it being quote unquote trigger days or focus days, those would be my technique days.

Starting point is 00:58:41 And that's when I, you know, barely load the bar. And bar, and I'm working on the speed of the bar and the technique of the movement. I mean, this is pretty much how, yeah, I suggest a lot of athletes use our programs because you don't really want to stray too far away from your skills training. That's something you have to incorporate, especially if you're building any substantial amount of muscle, you've got to simultaneously really consider keeping that skill set. So if your body changes, You got to simultaneously really consider keeping that skill set. So if your body changes and you have more master count for it, doesn't like mess with the mechanics and the coordination and athleticism.

Starting point is 00:59:13 Yeah. Okay. All right. So hopefully that's something. Yeah. Yeah. Is that made does that make sense? Yeah. Definitely does.

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Starting point is 01:00:13 But if you pick one of our full body routines, which most of our programs are kind of full body based with like two or three full body workouts with other things sprinkled in, then it gets a little easier. Then you can say instead of squatting for four sets, I'll squat for two sets and they do one or two sets of like a clean, for example.

Starting point is 01:00:29 Or all four, I mean, I would probably trade all four out. Like I just say, I'm not gonna squat right now. I'm gonna do, you know, the snatch or clean. You know, that's all I'm gonna do there instead. Exactly. Our next caller is Cody from Minnesota. Cody, what's happening? How can we help you?

Starting point is 01:00:44 Hi, for context, I guess I just started a brand new job at a steel mill. And most of the stuff is moving stuff by hands. And he were pretty much minimum, typically about 80 to 100 pounds anywhere up to 250 either by myself or with another person. And with that there's even by myself there's a lot of tugging, pulling, all that stuff, especially with another person. And I was just trying to figure out how to And I was just trying to figure out how to Incorporate any clubs, steel clubs and Steel maces into my workover teams and my off day routines just I kind of hope

Starting point is 01:01:41 Prevent injuries from this job because there's a lot of strain in my wrists and shoulders so far, mostly. And I'm just confused about to add that or what movements I should be doing, although I'm fairly, fairly new to it. But right now I'm just kind of doing them at the end of like a modified anabolic for what needs I have,

Starting point is 01:02:02 just because this job's very heavy on the back and biceps, so I'm kind of toning that down, increasing the trust volume and stuff and then steel maize or clubs at the end of the workout. Justin, do you use the steel maize towards the end or by themselves? I always use as a primer. That's typically how I use it. Yeah, I mean, there's kind of multiple ways that you could approach it, but yeah, I tend to do it beforehand, and that's just because, again,

Starting point is 01:02:34 because it's kind of a skill, so I'm not trying to do it after I'm under a state of fatigue. And, you know, I think later on, there's probably value to that, but for me, I like to, you know, address that and like get my rotators and everything like some work beforehand and just get the mechanics of it down Get good posture with it. So I'll do it typically before I'll start Any kind of upper body workout specifically. I'm definitely doing that. Yeah Cody In essence, you're not you don't treat Indian clubs or mace like you do straight

Starting point is 01:03:05 Strength training in the sense that you're doing it like to fatigue. Now it can definitely be a workout. Don't get me wrong. There are ways to do that. But it's very skill-based. It's very fluid. So ideally, if you're trying to do it to prevent injury and you're trying to figure out how to add it to your day or your workouts, I would say do it before work for 10-15 minutes.

Starting point is 01:03:26 You could do it at lunch, 10 minutes before you get back to work. I wouldn't do it at the end of a workout at MAP Santa Balsk if anything. I would do it at the beginning of a workout for about 10 to 15 minutes and then get into the workout. It's really good at priming the body, getting things to work together, getting things to be very fluid. Yeah, wake your scene up. I think it's best for that.

Starting point is 01:03:46 I mean, if it's especially if you're going lightweight, I mean, and I'm a little reserved with it because I know like I've actually like challenged myself to just focus on that more as a skill and see how far I could go in terms of the load. And there is a way to progressively overload it and to actually work out with a heavy mace bell. So if that's your desired goal, then it would look different

Starting point is 01:04:06 than what I'm suggesting. And that would be like, a lot more focus in that direction. You'd have to like, exclusively kind of, like that's your workout. Yeah, that's your workout. You're working on it. That's such a good point, just because it really, it really makes a difference on,

Starting point is 01:04:18 what am I using the mace and the Indian clubs for? Am I using it to set my body up, protect my joints, like take my body through full range of motion and keep healthy shoulders. Is that en wrist and elbow? Is that my main goal or am I like trying to get bad ass at swinging the heaviest mace and heaviest? Yeah, which is cool too.

Starting point is 01:04:39 This is just too cool. Yeah, there's nothing wrong. And I think there's a lot of confusion sometimes around these tools because there's the wrong. You know, and I think there's a lot of confusion sometimes around these tools because there's, the people that sell these, they sell them as a, you know, this is all you need to work out type of tool. And so they put together like programs around it. And you see a lot of guys that are hardcore mace guys

Starting point is 01:04:57 and you see them like doing full routines and they look kind of cool and shit when they do it. Personally, that's not my gym. Like I see tremendous value in those tools and I see how it's been one of the best ways for me to prime my shoulders before I start almost any upper body workout. And I absolutely love doing Justin got me turned on it for that. But and I've kind of messed a little bit with overloading it just to see how kind of strong I get it, but that's not the main focus for me, but I see the value there. So you really have to ask yourself,

Starting point is 01:05:27 like what are you trying to get out of it? Do you want to be like a badass mason Indian club guy? I'm gonna program a different. If you're like, hey, what's the best way for me to use this tool to help my performance in my other lives and just my overall fitness goals, then I'm probably gonna put it at the front of my workouts.

Starting point is 01:05:43 And then maybe, and I don't even know if I'm gonna do it like Sal is doing it, saying like 10 minutes multiple times a day, I'm gonna do it before every workout. That's gonna be how I start my workout. Or before work, he's got a demanding job. Or that's good point. That's what I would do 10 minutes in the morning before work.

Starting point is 01:05:57 Yeah, if you're, look, when it comes to exercise tools, when you look at an exercise tool, you wanna say, what is this best for? And then let me use that tool for what it's best for. For example, when it comes like building just raw strength and muscle, it's hard to be dumbbells and barbells, okay? It's almost impossible to beat them.

Starting point is 01:06:16 Now can you build muscle, raw muscle and strength with heavy mace? Yeah, you can, but it's not going to compare with the barbell dumbbell. Now what does it mace do? Way better than barbell or dumbbells? Routational stuff. Yeah, you can, but it's not going to compare with the barbell dumbbell. Now, what does a mace do? Way better than barbell or dumbbells. Routational stuff. Yeah, rotational stuff, core stability, throughout the movement. I mean, unless you're going to swing a heavy sword on the battlefield,

Starting point is 01:06:33 and you want to be able to handle something really heavy, you could chop your enemy's heads off or whatever. In which case, I would say, really progressively overload it. But in your case, I would do 10 minutes before work, 10 minutes at lunch before you get back to doing your job and to begin your workouts to really keep your joints fluid, immobile, and strong, and work all those tables. Even then, your Indian clubs are even better for wrists, elbow, rotation versus the mace belt, self being a lot better for the external t-shirts of the shoulders. So they both have their place in terms of priority. But I definitely, if you're new to them, like just adding that bit of rotation

Starting point is 01:07:14 is gonna do so much for the support that's void in our everyday activities. Yeah, and Cody, I would start with the most basic movements with each tool and just do those until you get really, really good at them. And then you can get a little bit more fancy. But the basic, the most basic movements, you don't need to always dance.

Starting point is 01:07:34 I dance music on Instagram. Yeah, and just practice and practice and practice. I still use the foundational one that Justin taught me. I haven't even really progressed it. It doesn't, when I use the Indian clubs more than I use a Mace, it primes my wrists, my elbow, my shoulder so well. Yep. That I haven't found any reason to really progress that.

Starting point is 01:07:52 So I, that's how I prime, like almost every time before I work out. Does that, does that help Cody? Yeah, it definitely does. The other part of that, um, too, is I'm, uh'm using them on so instead of the trigger sessions, I'm doing mobility with like 10 minutes of that also. And then like 20, 30 minutes of mobility. Just I've had them for a while now,

Starting point is 01:08:17 but because it's starting this job, I've been really wanting just to protect my shoulders and my wrists and I know they're really good for that. And should I be doing them on my mobility? Yeah like that no it's a skill like that you practice them every day do you have map do you have mass prime pro is that where you're getting mobility movements from yep prime and prime pro and actually taking advantage of that in the morning they give us 15 minutes to stretch everyone does their own stretches and I'm out They're doing mobility for 15 minutes or not or prime bro. Oh, beautiful. Oh, yeah. No, you're set You're set like use him as practice do them often frequently and I'd bring them to work and do them before you get started

Starting point is 01:08:56 Yeah, yes, smart, man. Okay. All right, and then oh My other question to with Anabolic or performance or any program I'm doing, just with, this lifting is consistent throughout the day. I'm not sore, but I feel like I'm going to get a really good workout, at least in my back and my biceps. Should I, when I'm doing something like anabolic, should I still be doing the two, three days a week, or should I cut it down to one? Because there are certain days,

Starting point is 01:09:26 especially recently that it's, I yesterday had to do everything by myself carrying all that. So I just took the day off of no working out after work because I got the work out at work. Well, Cody, here's what's interesting about what you, so you just started this job, right? Oh, yeah, three weeks ago. Okay, yes, I would go down to one workout,

Starting point is 01:09:46 but here's what you're gonna find. If you end up doing this for a long time, you get a job. Your work capacity is gonna be, I mean, most of my family's blue collar and their work capacities, after doing, you know, 10 years, 15 years of mixing cement, putting up wood and whatever,

Starting point is 01:10:01 the work capacity these guys have is just ridiculous. So they would add a normal maps and a ball of work out to their work and be fine. But if I started their jobs, I'd have to go down to one day a week until my work capacity built up. So right now I would go one workout and then wait until everything feels like it's super easy

Starting point is 01:10:19 and then add another day and go to the two days and so on. Yeah, I think the way you're approaching it already is perfect. You're listening to your body. You I think the way you're approaching it already is perfect. You're listening to your body. You knew you overtaxed it a little bit. It's a new job and you're probably going to be sore from it. So you took the day off. I think that's how you have to handle this

Starting point is 01:10:34 until you get to the point we're sourcing. But your body will adapt to your work and then it won't feel like it's a workout anymore. Yep. And then kind of adapted to, like I said, mostly using biceps and backs. So I Okay. And then kind of, kind of, adapt it to, like I said, mostly using biceps and backs. So I cut those down by a set and increase the triceps

Starting point is 01:10:49 and chest. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do that. But also, don't, don't forget this. Like, it's just a lot of work. Your CNS is just, I mean, you're lifting things.

Starting point is 01:10:59 So yeah, the muscles mostly involve the biceps back, probably some of your glutes and hamstrings. But it's also just fatiguing on the body. So don't, it's still gonna affect your entire body, although more so, the direct muscles being involved. But I think you have the right approach. Yeah. I like what you're doing, though.

Starting point is 01:11:16 Yep. Cool. Thank you. Thank you. You know, this is one of the things I really love. It takes me back to again, when you first sent over a map, sent a ball, and I just loved everything about it, because, you know, this is real life.

Starting point is 01:11:33 This happens to people all the time. They switch jobs, and it's such a beautiful program that you can go, hey, just scale to one day a week for right now. Yeah, mold it to your needs. And you're hitting every muscle group that you need to. Your body's gonna see good results. You wait for your body to adapt to the workload, then you start to add the one day a week for right now. I mold it to your knees. And you're hitting every muscle group that you need to. Your body's gonna see good results. You wait for your body to adapt to the workload

Starting point is 01:11:48 and you start to add the second day, then you add a third. It's such a incredible program for most people. And that's why I love that. Yeah, the thing that's funny is, or what's interesting is as he's talking about this job that he has and how it's gonna affect his workouts, and it will affect your workouts at first,

Starting point is 01:12:07 but you work in a steel mill for a year, two years, three years, four years, the capacity of your body to just develop work capacity is profound. I learned this firsthand, going to work with my dad, my 70-year-old grandfather visiting, coming to Mix cement with us, and I'm a 16 year old boy.

Starting point is 01:12:25 I've been working out for two years. I got all kinds of testosterone energy. And my grandfather ran me into the dirt. Like I remember at the end of the day, I looked at my dad and I said, how did no no just, he just ran circles around me because he'd been doing this since he was a kid. You feel that in their handshake?

Starting point is 01:12:39 Yes. So eventually if he stays at this job, he'll be able to go up to a regular workout because his day to day stuff is just gonna become his day-to-day stuff. This also too, it reminds me, I used to kind of voice and be more vocal about like the benefits of Indian clubs and like adding rotation

Starting point is 01:12:54 because it's just, it seriously is not something people consider in their everyday activities. It's in no workouts. You know, nothing. It's not in the gym, nobody's doing, and it's hard to replicate that. Like it's hard to like create that with weights or you know, cables even, nobody's doing, and it's hard to replicate that. It's hard to create that with weights or cables even, it's funky, right?

Starting point is 01:13:09 And so it's just one of those things that never took off, but I always get reminded, oh, there are people out there that are interested in doing that and watch the benefit he gets and receives from this. Well, I think that's why I brought up what I think is why he has that question and why it can be some so challenging is because like everything else we do in the fitness space, we take

Starting point is 01:13:30 a little bit of something that's good and then we turn it into like this. It's turned into a camp. So it's like, if you look online and you look up the hashtag, it may spell or Indian clubs and you see these guys and they're doing like full routines. They're just, they're specialists and they're barefoot, they're doing like, you know, and that's like, it's like their whole workout and now they've adopted this way. Who only get more clicks when they do cool stuff?

Starting point is 01:13:51 And that's fine, and that's fine. But the problem is when they say, this is better than everything, don't use anything else. Well, yeah, I mean, and not all of them are technically saying that, but if you don't know any better, you see that, and you assume like, okay, this is, this is the best guy with, like, who am I to tell you how to use a mace when you can find a guy online who like can do everything

Starting point is 01:14:09 with the mace, right? You think he's the expert in it, like he's the one who should tell me how to use a mace, where I'm like, well, it depends on what you're trying to, do you want to get like him? Do you want to be just this badass mace swinger? Or are you trying to reap the benefits that you get from using that tool?

Starting point is 01:14:24 And then how do I program that efficiently into My normal routine that I like to do and so I think that's why there's confusion around that and I mean I honestly Justin you turn me on to Indian clubs a long time ago now and I absolutely love Priming with that I think and it's when you when you learn the movement and I use the same basic I don't know if there's a name for the man. It's like a heart swing. It's typical. Yeah, so you've, you, and I can't even do it both. I know I see you do both. I'm still I'm not, I'm not sophisticated enough to do but I can do, I do one heart swing on one side and then go the other side and nothing primes

Starting point is 01:14:57 my wrist, my elbows and shoulders better than that. And it's fun. And it's great to get to my workout. And that's all I do with it. I don't, I don't try and mess with anything else or add to the routine and it does a great job of that. Our next caller is Jake from Florida. Jake, what's happening? How come help you? Going, trying to beard, during that and Adam. Adam, Adam.

Starting point is 01:15:18 You say Adam, Adam. Give him moody or something. Oh, he's eating. Thank you, Justin. That's something. What's happening? Yeah. Adam, give him moodier something. Oh, thank you, Justin. That's something. What's happening?

Starting point is 01:15:27 Yeah. So I just, my question was I just got off the Appalachian Trail. So since March, I basically spent five and a half months hiking into woods. And I'm trying to figure out how to rehab my body without putting on a massive amount of weight. Basically, when you're out there, you're carrying between 25 and 35 pounds water and food obviously fluctuates. And just, as you guys say, eating a complete asshole because you're limited to what is non-perishable.

Starting point is 01:16:09 So I'm just kind of wondering what I should do as far as training and stuff to try to prevent massive waking. And then also, if I'm going to want to do another hike like this, something insane, what kind of phasing in programming, what I want to do, and leading up to that. Oh, good question. So for people who don't, okay, so let's talk about this hike for a second, because it's insane.

Starting point is 01:16:32 The full-on trail is insane, right? How many miles is it? This year, they rerout a bunch like every year. So this year, it was 2194.3. So 2000, how much weight did you lose on the hike or did you lose any? So really enough, I lost a bunch. This is pretty typical. A lot of people lose a lot in the beginning.

Starting point is 01:16:50 And then sort of you eat more and the terrain levels out. So overall, I lost about five to ten pounds. I had about ten days off before I actually weighed myself. So only about ten pounds, I had about 10 days off before I actually weighed myself, so only about 10 pounds, but halfway through I was down like 17. Okay, not too bad. And how long ago did you complete the trail?

Starting point is 01:17:16 I've been off, I finished on August 28th, so just a little bit over two weeks. Okay, so you're probably gonna need at least another, maybe two to three weeks of rest and relaxation. And in that period of time, I would do light movement, stretching, mobility. If you have access to things like sauna and, you know, ice dip, cold showers, that kind of stuff, good sleep.

Starting point is 01:17:44 Cause that's pretty taxing on the body, especially if that's, that was new for you. Like if you didn't hike your whole life like that and you did it. So I would give yourself in the two or three weeks of just getting your body to start to feel back to normal. And then when you get back into your training, I would train just very traditional.

Starting point is 01:18:00 I would go, maps in a ball, like, would be a good workout. Maps for formats would be a good workout. Symmetry would be decent. Maps symmetry would be good. And as far as food intake, I would focus on hitting my protein targets and focus on whole natural foods. And that should regulate itself mostly. You should find that if you hit your protein targets and aim for whole natural foods avoid heavily processed foods, you'll naturally kind of self-regulate in terms of calories

Starting point is 01:18:26 and everything else. As far as programming to get you ready to do it again, I really like map strong with the work capacity. The work capacity, yeah. Oh, I would go strong OCR and then do the hike. Yeah, I like that. I like that.

Starting point is 01:18:40 Yeah, those two programs I think have such a high level of work capacity in there. I think that's gonna, that will carry over into your hike. I also, I also try to go into the hike heavy. So yeah, that's what I did this year. I had it attempted last year and lost like way too much weight. So I came in chunky. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:18:59 I think ideally you'd want to start in the high teens body fat at least, you know, 17, 18% good. Yeah, maybe even 20% because you're going to want that fuel as you're you know as you're doing this just because you're hiking like 10 miles 15 miles a day or more right? 20, 25. Yeah. Okay. So even more than that. Well, I'm so I'm so curious about this before we actually got on the phone with you. Sal saw this and made a comment about how he would totally want to do this one day. And I looked at him crazy. What motivates you to do something like this? Who did you do it with? Like I mean, tell me a little bit about this. I don't know any of Tiffany's.

Starting point is 01:19:37 You had out there. Yeah. So that's a it's a question I get a lot like, why would you want to do that? I have three propals. and I got really good therapy as a kid. So this is just like one of those things where I'm like, it'd be kind of badass if I did this. Oh, that's cool. It's not supposed to be good at walking and I like hiking. So it's like why not do it? And I was also kind of like, you know, I'm 25,

Starting point is 01:19:59 I'm sort of like finding myself. Still I wanted a nice crucible. I wanted to push my body and see what I could do, but I also just thought I'd like who I was at the end of it, went out there so low, but this year I think there was like 6,500 people started that were attempting a full-through. So I was never really alone unless I wanted to be.

Starting point is 01:20:23 Cool, wow, that's really cool. That's why Adam doesn't want to do it. Yeah, it's too hard. I want to be with myself. It's a lot of time to be with myself. Anyway, well, okay. So do you have map strong or map sociar because I think those are good programs for you leading into the next one. Yeah, I'm like super addicted to your podcast, but I don't have any of your programs. Oh, Cal. Oh, we're counting. Oh, well, we're all of our programs. Jay, all of our programming for us.

Starting point is 01:20:48 Jay, we're gonna hook you up. What's up for the shade? I'm gonna hook you up. You ready for this? You're about to get more programs than anybody ever had been on the show. You ready for this? I'm gonna give you, we're gonna send you Maps and Abolic, Maps Strong and Maps Sociar. So we'll give you all three programs.

Starting point is 01:21:01 Yeah. To try and affect it. Yeah, some, and Abolic will be good coming out of what you're coming out of. I'll start. Only if you tell everybody on the mountain when you're hiking about Minecraft. Yeah. Yeah, some anabolic will be good coming out of what you're coming out of. Only if you tell everybody on the mountain when you're hiking about my pump. Yeah, yeah. I did an article about my pre-hike training too. So I'll definitely like, I'm going to do a little bit of like a post-hike rehab

Starting point is 01:21:18 documentation. So I'll definitely get some shout-outs there for sure. Good deal. I don't know if it's a stupid way. Is there a reception up there? Can you listen to the podcast while you're hiking? Can you actually put something in your ear at least? So like in towns you can. So and then a lot of places there are is reception. It's pretty spotty, but usually what I would do is like I come into town and I look through the episodes

Starting point is 01:21:37 and like pretty much download everything I missed. Oh cool. Which was actually awesome. Sometimes like my brain would check out because I'm hiking and then I'd have to like stop Especially if you're something interesting. I'm like, okay, I have to come back to this later But yeah, I listen to a lot of you guys That we can be somewhat sane. Well, hey, thank you. And that sounds like an awesome adventure So good deal maybe I can do to like maintain sort of like any of the endurance and like cardio

Starting point is 01:22:00 So good deal, man. Is there anything I can do to maintain sort of like any of the endurance in like cardio? Like, because I feel like I probably have a decent like ability to do a lot of work and like flush lactic acid and all that coming off of trails. Is there anything I can do other than like tons of low intensity study state to like maintain any of that?

Starting point is 01:22:19 I mean hiking, you do more hiking, but if you're trying to do something with time constraints, hit cardio can maintain a decent amount. So yeah, you could do like 15 minutes on a bike or something where you could push yourself really hard for 10 seconds and then 30 seconds to 60 seconds of kind of low steady state and then repeat. That'll maintain some of it, but you're going to lose some of it because the kind of standard endurance you built, you built a high-care 20 miles a day.

Starting point is 01:22:47 You're also going to get a lot back though once you get to map sociar. You'll get to map sociar and strong. There's work sessions in there and then we actually program the runs in OCR. You're going to get some of that back when you get into those programs for sure. Okay, guys. Yep. Good deal, James. Dally, you definitely do the hike. I'll see if I can do something. I'm six months, five, six months and do it. Kick ass. Yep. All right. Good deal, Jay.

Starting point is 01:23:05 Dally, you should definitely do the hike. I'll see if I can make some of them. I'm six months, five, six months, and do it, dude. Change your life. That's the figure. He's a fucking liar. Yeah. Thanks, man.

Starting point is 01:23:13 Thanks, guys. You got it. First of all, I said I'd like to do it. I don't know if I will. You have to put all the kids on your back, dude. All four? Yeah. You know what? It sounds kids on your back, dude. All four? You know what? It sounds, something about it sounds awesome.

Starting point is 01:23:29 Like you just escape for six months. And it's not so scary and crazy that I feel like I could, you know, I could have taken it. It's like self discovery kind of a journey, right? I feel like Justin's most likely to do it. Yeah, I probably would talk about it. No, no, first of all, I would have done it a long time ago. I don't think these things.

Starting point is 01:23:44 First of all, I would take Justin, he would be the guy with me. For sure. You know, bear comes up, he'd you old bars. Doug, would you do it? If I was retired and had nothing else to do, maybe. That's what I would do. None of us are retired. It's a dirty word in here.

Starting point is 01:24:01 Hey, podcast, we get into town. Hey, we're back. Hey, we could put lug inside a back. Find me at the five star hotel, one of the town. I had a list of yours. It was just wanting you. Who's the guy walking on the trail with the driving gloves? Yeah, dude. I don't be like, I'm in honor of you guys hiking the trail. I'm going to do miles on the treadmill every day.

Starting point is 01:24:17 That's what I want to do. Okay. People are going to throw little pebbles at me. I'll splash you with water to give you a towel. Really cool though, reason though. I'm going to do, I'm gonna do miles on the treadmill every day. That's the one I do. Okay. People are gonna throw little pebbles at me. I'm gonna splash you with water to give you a towel. Really cool though, reason though. I think that was really cool.

Starting point is 01:24:30 Very cool reason. And I think doing really hard shit is a great way to find, to get through your demons and find shit. I really do. And I mean, I can't, that's five months of hiking 20 miles a day in the woods. That's not really. That's not really, man.

Starting point is 01:24:48 Our next call is Chris from Wisconsin. Chris, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey guys, this is really crazy. I got the email like five minutes ago to join this. I had a question about creaking intake and my water intake because of the creaking. So a little background before I start, I've been training, strength training specifically for about nine years and I was a collegiate athlete for a shop

Starting point is 01:25:12 with Discus Hammer and Weight. So I've done mostly powerlifting and Olympic style weightlifting, but I've done hypertrophy from high school and that's what I've been doing since I graduated. Once I left track and field and graduated I decided I needed to lose because I don't need to throw this heavy stuff anymore. And I've been taking five grams of Crete Tean daily but recently I've noticed that my body craves a lot more water. So I'm sitting at about six liters of water a day, which is, according, I read studies by the Mayo Clinic and Science Direct, who recommend around 3.7 liters. I know in episode 1830, you guys talked about one gallon being about the limit for most people

Starting point is 01:26:07 but as my intake stands I'm about 60% higher than most people so I'm wondering is there something that essentially is wrong with me? I guess? Well no Chris you're also about 60% bigger than most people. I was exactly good as I said you look about 60% bigger than most people. Just based off your neck and traps. Tell us how small you are. Yeah, I'll tell you what's your body weight. I'm 6'4-2-80 right now.

Starting point is 01:26:34 You're good, bro. I used to drink up to three gallons when I was competing. Okay. And I'm not advocating for that for the listeners in that are gonna freak out Be like oh my god, you're gonna drown somebody okay I'm not saying everybody should drink together my point is you're much bigger than I am and I handle three Yeah, and I'm assuming your water your protein and takes high and you're probably sweat and your workouts If if you're worse if you think that you're excreting too much water and not able to to absorb as much water as you could

Starting point is 01:27:03 You can try adding something like element tea to your water or a little sodium. I have, I started out with regular sodium power like a electrolyte powder you can get from Amazon and I just ordered my first element tea. Yeah, so that, that'll help your body absorb and utilize more of that water. So that can be pretty benefit. I wouldn't worry about, you know, you should worry about too much water consumption. If your electrolyte balance is getting thrown off,

Starting point is 01:27:28 if you're noticing things like heart palpitations, muscles having issues with contractions or twitching, issues with inflammation or sleep, like things that can show that your electrolytes may be off, in which case I would look more at that, but I doubt you're drinking too much water. The only time that you gotta be, oh my God, I can't seem to quench my thirst.

Starting point is 01:27:51 I would get your blood sugar check, make sure you're not diabetic or anything crazy like that. But other than that, I think you're totally fine. Okay, because I didn't wanna go over so like my body wants another two liters, and that's eight liters, that's like almost double what the, or three times amount, what the daily recommended is,

Starting point is 01:28:10 but I didn't wanna overdo it. Yeah, if you're really worried, you can get your kidney function checked, you can get your electrolytes checked, get your blood sugar checked, kidney dysfunction or diabetes when it first comes on, some people can, like, it looks like, it's almost like they can't quench their thirst.

Starting point is 01:28:26 But you typically see this in non-ethnic people. It's like you're unhealthy ant. All of a sudden it's like, oh my God, I'm drinking so much water and I just can't seem to drink enough. I'd be like, oh, you might want to get that checked out. But a guy like you, your size, your muscle mass, you're probably working out and sweating a lot. It sounds like you're okay.

Starting point is 01:28:48 I have a second question. If you guys have time, let's do it. In episode 1809, you guys talked about tempo training. And I've been tempo training for five, six, seven years all throughout college. And right now I'm at one, one, one, seven years, all throughout college. And right now I'm at 111 tempo. So I'm wondering about the benefits of switching tempo every so often,

Starting point is 01:29:10 because I'm in a cut right now with all that weight from throwing. So when you talk about tempo, should there be like short weeks, like short periods of time, like one to two weeks to reintroduce a, like a four to two or a pause set or a pause wrap. Yeah. Yeah, dude. Make your sizes. Absolutely. Look, you were, you threw hammer and you were a

Starting point is 01:29:33 shop putter. So you're probably really used to explosive contractions. Really now, yeah, now, unless you're looking to continue competing in that sport, And now, yeah, now unless you're looking to continue competing in that sport, I would have fun spending time and bodybuilding tempos, you know, a four second negative or a three second negative, have fun with powerlifting tempos where you pause during sticking points in your reps. Have fun with that. And what you'll find is because it's novel, you're going to respond really well to it. You'll see your muscles grow.

Starting point is 01:30:03 You'll see more definition. I also think it's a smarter strategy for someone like you when you are in a coloric deficit. So someone like you is really strong and you probably can move a lot of weight and you're used to going 1-1-1. There's that temptation to load the bar even heavier than maybe you should in a cut. Whereas you know you have to slow the tempo way down, you've got to lighten the load. So it's just probably a safer psychological benefit. Yeah, there's a psychological benefit to, you know, when I'm the tempo way down, you've got to lighten the load. So it's just a, probably a safer, psychological benefit.

Starting point is 01:30:26 Yeah, there's a psychological benefit to, you know, when I'm in a cut, I like that's when I really like to slow down the tempo mess with isometrics and do that. Cause I'm like, I already know I shouldn't be lifting the heaviest way possible, because I'm not going to be the strongest, I am possible because I'm in this cut.

Starting point is 01:30:40 And so I tend to lean towards even slower tempos when I'm in a deficit like that. Not to say that there's not benefits of going in the opposite direction. I mean, a guy with your much raw power, if you were my client, I'd be like, hey, let's take this opportunity while we're in a cut to really slow your tempo down so we don't risk you doing, you know, hurting yourself. Yeah. And then I guess the second part of that question is, when I do change a tempo, do I change anything about my calories or macros?

Starting point is 01:31:13 No. Because it is a new novel stimulus, so my muscles will respond differently. Yeah, no, I mean, unless you're trying to cut or gain or whatever, I would leave it the same. What you're probably gonna find is you'll build a little muscle and bring a little body fat. So you just may notice a little bit more definition

Starting point is 01:31:27 or a little bit more sculpt to your body just because it's gonna respond really well. Like when I take someone like you, and it's not common, it's very rare that I would train someone who trained explosively most of their career and then have them slow down. But I have a little bit of experience with that. I had a couple clients like that.

Starting point is 01:31:45 And boy, did their body, and this was post competing, right? So they're done, they're not in their sport anymore. And man, their muscles responded so well. It was like this, they just started building all this incredible muscles. Almost gaining a deficit. Yeah, oh, it was a composition switch is what happened. So yeah, no, give it a try.

Starting point is 01:32:03 Unless you're really trying to cut or gain, I would have based the macros off the tempo. Okay. And someone just some kind of tangent. I'm an engineer. And I know that Justin, you were talking about chipmunks and vermin in your yard uh, being a autonomous paintball gun for my dad because he had this, he has the same problem. Okay. So you might like him to something like that because it's definitely fixes the hassle of trying to get rid of them, I guess. Wow. What was the fix? Autonomous paintball gun. Yeah, you can do it with, you can do it with you can do it with any any kind of gun In silence counts in my parents of a Ohio. I mean, I've been cheering on with babies, but yeah Autonomous paint it tracks them and then it sees them and

Starting point is 01:32:58 Made that so you make one of those I'm in the process of making my dad's birthdays in July or June next June and I want to do that I don't even have a road at prom, but I want one of those My kids will go crazy work on solicitors coming to your house That's pretty cool. I love it. Yeah cool. Thanks for calling in brother. Yeah. Yeah, thank you guys You got it Awesome. It's funny. He's like he's you know, we don't obviously see his whole body and by the way as he was talking Bro, I was the exact thing you know, and he says he's a collegiate athlete. I was in my head I'm like he was either shot putter football because he's a big neck

Starting point is 01:33:37 Yeah, that's a big muscular neck Yeah, but I mean he's like yeah, I drink 60% more water like bro you are you're like two people You need to drink everybody's water. Yeah, of course. You're gonna drink a 60% more water. Like bro, you're like two people. You need to drink everybody's water. Yeah, of course you're gonna drink a little bit more water. It's weird how people get afraid of, or how those. It's because of the food. It's a super-souly. It's another one.

Starting point is 01:33:53 You know what, we brought out the other day about like, you know, controversial tips. Like that could have been one for me. It would have been like pushing the water because there's been that swing. It went, which is so, I think, annoying to be, as a coach who's been training people for so long, 99% of the time, my clients did not drink enough water.

Starting point is 01:34:12 So the messaging of trying to get them to drink, push towards a gallon, I think is a good message, but then there's always somebody who wants to try and counter that and use some extreme example. It's rare, it's really rare, but when it happens where someone drinks too much water, it's because they're either drinking distilled water, which is dangerous, or their electrolytes are off, or there's a kidney issue, or they're in some kind of competition to see you can drink

Starting point is 01:34:34 the most water. I don't know if you've heard of those, but there were a couple radio stations that that a while ago, and some people died. But most people are not going to get, they're not going to drink so much water that they hurt themselves. You actually have to really force yourself. Yeah, you have to try, you almost have to try, unless you have a condition. This is a speed thing too, yeah.

Starting point is 01:34:50 With this radio stations, they were just chugging, chugging, and obviously drowning themselves with water. But yeah, if you're just reasonably just drinking and hydrating yourself constantly, I mean, what do you got? And if it's mineral water, or you add a little sodium to it,

Starting point is 01:35:03 I mean, it's, even less of a worry. Sure. Look, or you add a little sodium to it, I mean, it's even less, even less of a worry. Sure. Look, if you like Mind Pump, head over to Mind Pump Free.com and check out our guides. We have guides that can help you with almost any health or fitness goal. Also, if you want to find us on social media, you can find Justin, Tiny Beard, on Instagram,

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