Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1914: Ways to Overcome Shoulder Pain When Benching, the Truth About Fasting for Weight Loss, What to Do When You Keep Getting Injured & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:02:28 you can do contrary to what you might read or see on social media, working out harder, not always the answer. You know, I'm bringing this up because, have you guys seen that Brazilian trainer, that female trainer, I think her name is Carol Vaz, I think, right? And she like makes her clients cry and scream scream and I think I heard you talk about her

Starting point is 00:02:47 But I don't know if I've seen a lot of them bring up bring a video of her up It's so if you're a trainer and you've trained people for more than a month. Yeah, actually work with people Yeah, watching a video like this is like nails on a shock board because it Watching biggest loser. Yeah, I think it says used to be a George Michaels title, right? Well, he's like watching biggest loser. Yeah, as he says, he's to be a George Michaels title, right? The biggest toughest trainer earlier. It's worse than biggest loser because I think when you watch biggest loser, you think there's an entertainment aspect.

Starting point is 00:03:13 This is like, yeah, this is serious. This is what you need to do when you train and you work out. It's terrible in the world's most hardcore. That's a terrible title. Oh, no, these are her clients literally are crying. They're crying and she's doing like, I don't know, 15 forced reps with the exercises and you know, it make matters worse.

Starting point is 00:03:31 She, they're in labor. She represents these female fitness, I guess celebrities or whatever, that look pretty good. So I guess you would watch it and say, oh my God, the results, you know, speak for themselves, but yeah, she's really crying through that entire set. It's terrible.

Starting point is 00:03:47 Yeah, what people need to realize is intensity is, it's a factor in workout programming. And like any factor, there's a right dose. And too much, only is gonna make you get slower results, less results hurt yourself. You're not gonna progress any better if you train beyond the appropriate level for your body of intensity.

Starting point is 00:04:08 That's the important thing. You know, I think it's always hard to communicate this one because I think there's like two ends of the spectrum of the clientele. It's like you have this clientele that is so adverse to exercise or doing any sort of movement. And so teaching them to learn to push through and to challenge themselves and go harder than they're used to going has some merit. But then you have the other end of the spectrum

Starting point is 00:04:35 of people that enjoy working out. And the truth is the people that gravitate towards a trainer like this are the ones that don't need it and the ones that are like hell, no. I don't want to always have these. Hell, no, I don't want nothing to do with this trainer would probably benefit the most from the mentality. Yeah, well, nobody should probably train like that.

Starting point is 00:04:53 It's a very, very, the risk versus reward, the amount of stress that you're applying to the body is unnecessary to get it to change the way you want to. Like, so, I just, but I mean, people see it and they get motivated. That's, it's, it's, it's feeding into the whole motivation. High-end. There's more to the unnecessary aspect of it

Starting point is 00:05:12 because some people may say, okay, it's unnecessary, but, okay, what's the harm then? If I just work out hard, well, it's not just unnecessary. It actually will, will move you away from your goals. It'll make the results happen slower or not at all. It's actually what ends up happening when you use the inappropriate level of intensity. Because when you watch videos like this,

Starting point is 00:05:31 if you're the average person, let's say you just got motivated, you want to start working out, right? So you see these videos. One of two things is gonna happen. Either one, you're like, okay, this is not for me. There's no way, I don't wanna do that. I don't wanna cry.

Starting point is 00:05:41 Like this is crazy. Like this is not for me. Or you're in that state of motivation, and you're like, this is what I need to do. If I wanna get in shape, so then you go to do that, I want to cry. Like this is crazy. Like this is not for me. Or you're in that state of motivation and you're like, this is what I need to do. If I want to get in shape, so when you go to the gym and you beat the crap out of yourself and you get terrible results or worse, you hurt yourself and you're like, okay, well I guess this isn't for me.

Starting point is 00:05:56 Yeah, even if you get results, it's a very brief window when you're ramping the intensity up to that level. And in terms of like you going over the threshold of your body being able to adapt, it's very much more likely that you're just gonna be healing at that point from the damage you caused because you went so extra.

Starting point is 00:06:14 Well, it's like an ultra marathon runner racing against the fastest sprinter in the world. And you and the fastest sprint in the world, even though the fastest sprint in the world is most likely not going to win that ultra marathon race against the ultra marathon runner. And that's why I think it's deceiving is because you see these people come out the gates.

Starting point is 00:06:33 You train that hard and the results come on much faster than the ultra marathon run. It takes off on a nice little pace and the sprinting takes off and I was like, oh my god, he's gonna crush him. It's like, no, wait, wait about 15 miles. And we'll see where everybody is at. And then ultimately, you'll see the ultramarital

Starting point is 00:06:49 on passer, right? So I think the same thing goes with this is that, it's deceiving because you see, the results come out the gates. You come out the gates and the scale goes down fast and you feel the body tightening up really quick. And so you think that, you know, this is the way I want to consider it to. You know, think that that mainly happens with people who already fit.

Starting point is 00:07:08 You take the average person and you train them with that level of intensity, they're not going to see results. They're going to be either hurt or embed or nothing. They're not going to get any results. Well, I mean, okay, yeah, you take a fit person. I mean, what you and you throw the occasional superintendents, you do that. Right? She's that, this trainer is on the far end of the spectrum, you know, but I mean, you, even, and there's trainers that are training, not near that intensity, but still training way too intense for a new beginner.

Starting point is 00:07:34 And that new beginner ultimately is gonna see results. They were, they weren't moving, they were eating poorly. And now they get a trainer who decides they're gonna kick their ass. And so, you know, the first couple of weeks, they see good results. Hey, you know what? it's not even an opinion. There's been a lot of studies done on this.

Starting point is 00:07:49 So it's not just our opinion and our experience. There's a lot of data on this. Lots of studies that show what level of intensity is most effective, like lifting to failure versus not lifting to failure, volume, frequency, rep ranges. Lots of studies done on this. And the studies are pretty conclusive

Starting point is 00:08:07 that these super high levels of intensity are not just unnecessary, but in a very short period of time, overwhelm the body's ability to adapt. So you actually get worse results. So like what she's doing these videos, what this particular, and it's going viral, it's gone viral a couple of times, I've seen her before in the past.

Starting point is 00:08:22 When you watch that level of intensity, she's not just going to failure. She's going to failure, she's doing partial reps, It's gone viral a couple of times. I've seen her before in the past. When you watch that level of intensity, she's not just going to failure. She's going to failure. She's doing partial reps, force reps, negative. Like she's throwing everything but the kitchen sink at these people. So you watch this and you're like,

Starting point is 00:08:36 oh, is that what I need to do? Yeah. It's very damaging to you. Do you guys think it's getting worse or better in our space? You know what's funny? I'm so glad you asked that question because I think if you go on social media, it's a bit distorted in terms of what's happening. So I've now worked out at a regular commercial jam. I started going back. So now I'm in like the regular

Starting point is 00:08:57 population. So it's not like a super hardcore jam. It's not. It's just a jam where people work out. And I'm seeing a lot of good stuff. Like I'm seeing people do really good technique and form with barbell exercises, full ranges of motion, appropriate levels of intensity, rest periods that look good. So based off that, I think it's a lot better than it was before. But if I look at social media, I would say, man, I get discouraged. Do you agree, Justin? Well, I'm trying to think about that because remember remember, Brittany, I figured her last name, but yeah, she got in trouble

Starting point is 00:09:28 for promoting all these programs and then not like following through with all these customers and whatnot. And so I'm wondering if a little bit of that was a deterrent for some of these influencers to actually have like a solid way of being able to coach a lot of these people that they're promoting these programs and stuff too, or if that is still like a formula that is being used to,

Starting point is 00:09:51 I just don't follow a lot of these types of characters anymore, but I did see that shreds is coming back with that. What? Yeah. I disagree with Sal, I think that it's getting worse. I think what you're experiencing is, so maybe gym trainers have evolved, definitely there's a case for that, there's more education.

Starting point is 00:10:08 I mean, imagine, I just can't imagine 20 years ago trying to learn today would have been so much nicer, right? So like, we had to go buy national certifications or find a mentorship or, man, you could follow some really intelligent people on YouTube and podcasting and you could get a lot of good information. So I think the trainer has more education at their tips of their fingers than they did before,

Starting point is 00:10:31 but I think we have this new anomaly that we didn't have 20 years ago, which is a massive market centered around digital online trainers. And because there's so many people training online and one of the best ways to to garner attention in this space, you know, is TikTok, you know, is is reals is to get people to to to click on you and through you. And because of that, unfortunately, I think it is far worse

Starting point is 00:10:59 today than it was just 20 years ago. I think you're right with because TikTok has really taken over was just 20 years ago. I think you're right, because TikTok has really taken over a lot of the views. And it's almost like it's degraded whatever we saw previous to that from Instagram with the information. I feel like it's even worse in that format. It's tough, because if I think about it and I try to look at data, because it's hard because social media sometimes appears distorted. So you get in the fitness space and social media doesn't

Starting point is 00:11:25 necessarily represent what's happening. It's like in our fitness space has always been a bit dysfunctional, right? It's always kind of been that way. I mean, before it was magazines, now it's social media. But when you look at the data, eating disorders, body image issues, definitely is on the rise. It's on the rise with with young kids, especially girls, but boys now Young men now are suffering so and they think that has to do with social media But I will say again in the gyms. I'm seeing things in the gym that I never and these are these are like people in their 40s, 50th regular people like I never would have seen before doing pretty good Technique and But that's again just the one gem I'm going to bring.

Starting point is 00:12:07 Well, not to mention, I think that speaks to the point I made, which is, you know, it's the consumer is smarter today. We have access to, I mean, you can now get online and Google some really solid information around exercise training. And so, I just think that there's way more information. That's readily available for the either average client, a person or even the trainer who's working in the gym. I just think unfortunately that does not outweigh the flood of online trainers now,

Starting point is 00:12:39 and even more importantly, online trainers that have, you know, garnered the detention of millions of people. I mean, even take that as an example, I can think of, think of 10 of our smartest fitness friends that we would consider buddies or friends of ours. And many of them don't even have a million followers. But yet, I'm sure this girl probably has millions of people that are following.

Starting point is 00:13:03 So that one person is getting more attention. Yeah, all the good friends of ours that we know that you know, maybe have a hundred thousand foreign losing battle. It is. It's tough. It's tough to decide and sometimes I feel like that. Sometimes I feel hopeful.

Starting point is 00:13:17 You know what's interesting about this is if you look at any success because here's what happens to the average person. They see somebody who looks really fit or an athlete that is very successful or somebody who did very well in business. And we can identify with the hard workout or the hard thing that they had to do. So I'm watching this train or train these people so hard. And I'm like, that's the key to the success. That's the hard part.

Starting point is 00:13:41 It's actually not. It's the consistency over years and years and years and years. It's like the business person that succeeds with a business. It's not that they worked one 20 hour day and grinded their ass off. It's that they were consistent year in year out year in year out. So it is true that success in any realm, especially fitness, is challenging and hard. But the challenging and hard part is not the intensity of the workout. If you really look at the whole picture, the intensity of the workout is way down the scale. Really, the hard part is the consistency.

Starting point is 00:14:12 For sure. Have you been doing this weekend, week out, year after year after year? So when we watch videos like that, when people watch that, they think, that's why they're successful. These women look amazing because this woman is training on making them cry.

Starting point is 00:14:24 No, that woman's worked out for 10 years. Consistently that played a larger role in her success than this workout you see on Instagram that looks like it's killing her. I mean, one of the biggest things that ever helped me with overcoming that or figuring that out for myself was being okay with doing a workout that would be considered really subpar, you know, and I think many people would think almost a waste of time. You're not burning hardly any like one exercise. I know that's kind of the game that I play with myself

Starting point is 00:14:55 when I, because I'm sure you guys are the same way. There's many times I'm not motivated. I don't want to get it. I don't feel like getting a done or I don't have a lot of time. All the excuses are there, right? And I'm like, oh, I'm, want to get it, I don't feel like getting it done or I don't have a lot of time. All the excuses are there, right? And I'm like, oh, I'm, and I'm pretty fed, I can get away with missing this workout. And then I go, you know what?

Starting point is 00:15:12 You know fine, don't, don't do your full workout. Just go, just go do three sets. Or like I make a deal with myself to do is like the best bare minimum. Okay, that's like nothing. That's a joke. And many times, what ends up happening is it ends up turning into a great workout. Sometimes it does it. Sometimes it ends up being three of five sets.

Starting point is 00:15:29 Those three to five sets and making that decision, such a better choice than to just ignore it completely. And just to, and what I noticed more than anything else is it's less about the five sets and the workout. It's more about the consistency and the behaviors that I'm building by being okay with, okay, I'm just going to at least go do this. I think if people would switch that mindset, and I know I can't be alone, right?

Starting point is 00:15:52 I have the, just as much information, I think is the average. You're not going to have the best workout ever every time. That's impossible. That's absolutely realistic. It's physiologically and physically impossible. You're going to have some workouts that are great, some workouts that are not so great, but it's theologically and physically impossible, you know, you're gonna have some workouts that are great some workouts that are not so great But it's the consistency is the hard part. So if you look at someone's very successful in that Yeah, it's because they were consistent

Starting point is 00:16:12 It's not necessarily because they work out so hard that they almost throw up or they're sore for five days Yeah, here's another sort of terrible analogy, but I like it more as like appetizer like I do the same thing But I'll do like you know, five to 10 minutes of something. It's just, I have to establish that for the day. I'm so much more likely to get a good workout in following that. If I don't do that, then my body's just more likely to just, okay, I'm just gonna sit down and write it out.

Starting point is 00:16:37 That's the other thing that I found with it is that, you know, even if the workout itself, because let's be honest, okay, three sets of bench rest is not gonna change your physique that much, but not only does it help with just keeping the consistency, not only does it sometimes turn into a bigger workout, but then it also changes my mindset the rest of the day

Starting point is 00:16:55 because I did something in the positive direction that way, right, so now when I had this choice where I was like, oh, I could have this for dinner, or that for dinner, and one of them being a much better choice for my body than the other one I'm more likely to make the better choice because I also made a better choice with me exercising, right? So I just I find that there's so much more benefit than I think I ever realized to just Accepting that I'm gonna go in and do a few things even if it's not super intense Even if it's not major intense, even if it's not major, just getting a few exercises.

Starting point is 00:17:25 You know, when they do polls on people who've been doing this for a long time, so people have been working out consistently for like 10 years, and they ask them why. Like what is it that makes you do it? It's not, it makes me look buff, it makes me look ripped, you know, I'm strong or whatever. It's always mental, psychological. I feel good. It's my head right. That's why I do it now. a mental, a psychological, I feel good. It's my head right. That's why I do it now.

Starting point is 00:17:47 I don't do it for the other reasons. The other reasons are great, I'm not gonna say I don't like them, but now it's really for the mental aspect of it. So I don't miss it, even if I don't feel physically, like this morning, I feel like working out at all. I had a rough night last night, I woke up, I was groggy. So I went to the gym and I went super easy, but why?

Starting point is 00:18:04 Because it sets my mind straight. If I didn't do it and I went super easy, but why? Because it sets my mind straight. If I didn't do it and I came to work without doing it, it would have been much worse. Oh yeah. Speaking of how much of an effect a little bit of movement can have on the body, there's this, I'm really trying hard to decipher this particular study because it's pretty mind blowing on some of these results. So they did a study on the body's metabolism and how it's affected by exercising one of the smallest muscles in the body.

Starting point is 00:18:33 Okay, so it's pretty wild. I'm gonna read to you what happened here. And so I'm talking about the soleus, very small, flat muscle that makes up part of the calf. So when you look at the calf, you have the gastrox, which are the big meaty part. And underneath that is called the soleus. It's the way this gets which muscle.

Starting point is 00:18:49 I know, that would be good. There's so many smaller muscles, that's why I said it real quick. So you're thinking it's smaller. But anyway, when this muscle is activated, and I'll tell you how they activated it, when this particular muscle is activated, it had a profound effect on blood glucose in the body, so check this out.

Starting point is 00:19:06 The whole body affects from doing a specific exercise on the soleus. This tiny little muscle was a 52% improvement in the excursion of blood glucose and 60% less insulin requirement over three hours, and this was after testing them with a glucose drink. Just the soleus. Now, you know what they're doing? This exercise? People are literally, I'm not making this up.

Starting point is 00:19:29 They're sitting in a chair, doing like a little cafe. Just the smallest cafe. Now you're thinking, how is this even possible? So I didn't know this about the solias, but it's pretty remarkable. Apparently this muscle, the way it is, it's, I don't know, designed or evolved to have tremendous stamina and endurance. So does this store a ton of glycogen, like other muscles do, but it sucks glucose out of the blood.

Starting point is 00:19:57 And this is because this muscle is super active in walking. So walking, walking for hours, trekking, humans have the capability to out trek almost any animal. And part of it. We're in the type 2 kind of fiber. Yeah, and part of it has to do with, there's lots of reasons why, but one of them is the soleus muscles is super, I mean, even the most unfit person, their soleus has tremendous

Starting point is 00:20:16 endurance compared to any other muscle in their body. So they have these people do this like really easy, just no resistance or anything. Just lifting their heels like this and they saw these profound effects in blood glucose in the body. Is it partially because of how far the muscle is from the heart too? And so it's got to work a little bit harder. It's because these muscles, like let's say I did this. No, it's because these muscles suck glucose out of the blood. So they're differently than other muscles. I just say so it's unique.. Yes, it's unique then.

Starting point is 00:20:45 It makes a 1% of your body's musculature, but it acts like you worked 15% or something like that from what I read, according to say. So I'm trying to read through this and really understand it, but this is crazy. This is profound. So literally, because it gets more forced demand in terms of like,

Starting point is 00:21:01 overall body weight and that's like at the bottom. No, because of the way that it sucks glucose out of the blood, it literally sucks glucose out of the blood rather than using glycogen, rather than using fuel like other muscles. It's literally affects blood glucose in a massive way in comparison to other muscle. So all the fat people that skip calves, that's a terrible idea. I'm serious. I can't wait so long. How many fat dudes do calves calves, that's a terrible one. I'm serious. Like how do you sell them up? Like how do you sell them up?

Starting point is 00:21:26 You know, like do calves. That's like a skinny guy exercise, right? If you're insecure about your calves, you're doing calves like crazy, but you're the big dude who's been walking around with extra 100 pounds, you never do calves. I mean, calves are always being worked. They're always. Yeah. That's really under demand.

Starting point is 00:21:40 Look at this. Look at this. Look at this is a quote from the study. All of the 600 muscles combined normally contribute only about 15% of the whole body oxidative metabolism in the three hours after ingesting carbohydrate. Despite the fact that the solias is only 1% the body weight, it is capable of raising its metabolic rate during these contractions to easily double even sometimes triple the whole body carbohydrate oxidation. We are unaware of any existing or promising pharmaceutical that comes close to raising and sustaining whole body oxidative metabolism at

Starting point is 00:22:13 this magnitude. I mean this is crazy and I know they're gonna do more studies on this. But I'm so I belong to these forums on Facebook and like these you know these neurobiology biology fitness, fitness, health forums. And it's just flying because this, this is profound. And it's literally, literally, it could literally mean this. You're about to eat a meal. Do you like 50 a pump? Do you like 50 of these?

Starting point is 00:22:34 What was the original hypothesis? Why did they even do this? That's a good question. I'm a, what would drive a study like that? Like, I think they're, I don't know. I'm going to guess that they were probably trying to see, is there an easy seated exercise that could have an effect on, you know, blood glucose? Like we know that two minutes of walking after a meal

Starting point is 00:22:52 has a big effect on, remember, there was other side of that. So it's like, you don't need a lot of activity to really affect your blood sugar. So maybe it was along those lines. I can't remember if you said, did you say the time, how long to do that? No, it didn't, but I'm around.

Starting point is 00:23:05 No, but I don't think they were doing it very long. So I'm looking more into this because it's freaking wild. And I'm watching, there's a whole video on it of this person doing it. And I'm like, are they on a machine? Like what's going on? That's what I should've done on the plane. They're doing it.

Starting point is 00:23:21 Yeah, right? Man, I did it all wrong. How was your trip, guy? Yeah, it was awesome, dude. I had so much fun. It was just a blast to be a freak. Is this the third year in a row? This is second.

Starting point is 00:23:32 Oh, it's only second. Wait, so what is this making it a thing? What's the name of this? It's called Furnace Fest. So it's in Alabama. It was like all these bands that we grew up with, they're all underground. For the most part, sometimes you'll bring in

Starting point is 00:23:44 one name band or like two to draw in more people. But yeah, there's a whole lot of bands that probably nobody's heard of in here, but what's great is that I don't listen to music, like in any other way where I can get exposed to like new music. And so for me, it's always like, oh my God, I get introduced to a band. I didn't even know existed. And that happened. For for me going out there

Starting point is 00:24:05 I found this band that was just like Mind blown dude. They put on like the sickest show and it was literally two guys It wasn't even like this big band or like this big sound very big sound. I should say but It was very raw. It's like you guys know like white stripes. Yeah. Yeah, so they were like the evil white stripes. Oh, dude They crushed it, man. I mean, it was just like so wrong, like, like loud and rock-us. And they, at this one point, I took a video. He had all these different, like, tracks. And so because now, like, they can track a lot of sounds and different, you know, delay pedals and different things on the mics.

Starting point is 00:24:46 You can do a lot of interesting things. And so he was like messing around with all these things. And he had this one really weird like antenna looking device. And it made these like, almost like one of those like Tesla things that like you put your hands around and has like lightening a coil. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:25:02 So he had one of those set up and it's like, it makes this really high pitch kind of noise when you get closer and then away. And so this guy's drumming and then he's up there. It literally looks like a wizard. He has his hands over it. I guess it's like, and it sounds to me like describing this is like horrible. It was so weird and wild and awesome. And it's like, never would see see that anywhere the genre of music is rock Yes, they caught with a caught noise rock, which is I knew yeah, it's like a new genre But yeah, it was it was fascinating to see what they did does this fall into the case

Starting point is 00:25:36 So one of the last times we talked about your your music It you told me that there's like their names 86 or 68 by the way there is Wait what their name is 86 or 68, by the way. There is, Wait, what? Their name is 68. Oh, the band-aid group, okay. Is there meaning behind that? I have no idea. There has to be, right?

Starting point is 00:25:51 68 isn't that, it's like, it's not 69, so you own me one? Yeah, you own me one? Yeah, that's it. I don't know. We'll have to ask them. Okay, okay. So before you told me there's like, are these the groups that are heavy into drugs and drinking

Starting point is 00:26:07 or is this the other side? Remember I forgot? It's kind of both, yeah, you're right. So there's, yeah, so there's a lot of those kind of hard core bands that were like, was there a name straight edge? Straight edge, that's right, straight edge. So yeah, so bleeding through was there,

Starting point is 00:26:21 and they weren't there last year, that's the one that Brent Shampatti's in. So it was, it was cool, man. Leading through was there and they weren't there last year. That's the one that Brent Shabbat is in. Yeah. So it was cool, man. Like, we actually went VIP this year. And so we were kind of like backstage a bit. And then they went on and I saw him and he jumped on stage. And dude, he's been hitting the gym, man.

Starting point is 00:26:40 He was looking yoked out there, shaved head and everything. And just was looking fresh. I there, shaved head and everything and just was looking crushed. I was crushing on him, dude. That's awkward. You went with your friends, right? Yeah, my friends, so. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:26:53 Now, hold on, explain the crowd. So is it a bunch of 40, 50-year-old dudes that used to love metal? Yes. Is it young? Okay. There's like barely any young people and there was a lot less girls this time too. So, it's like, just time too. So I was like, three, there's just one old sausage fest.

Starting point is 00:27:07 A whole wrinkled sausage. Now, why, what's your thoughts on that? Why is it not, why does it not have the younger generation? Is that falling out? Well, you know, when I think is, they were trying to kind of, I think they tried to bring them in with the punk bands that we just didn't go watch because I wasn't into like newfound glory And you know some of these other bands that they brought on the bill that I was just like yeah

Starting point is 00:27:30 Not my thing So maybe they were there for that, but like I think it's just they didn't grow up with these bands and it's like you don't It's kind of what I see with like the high school kids that I work with too. They just don't have the the anger and It's a different kind of energy. You know what I mean? They're just not going to like, they're not angry enough, they're just functional enough. Different ways.

Starting point is 00:27:52 Yeah, in totally different ways. Like they, yeah, they're dealing with it in another way. So what, walk me through what like a pregame looks like for this. You guys, you know, push each other around a little bit, do a lot of coax, take some shots at the Keela, like headb like head buddy each other like what do you guys do to like get ready for this? Yeah, so It's so underwhelming There's

Starting point is 00:28:16 Yeah, stretchy We'll been gated around the elbows and knees, you know, just to make sure I swear I got you got it like at least some of that Yeah, I did a few stretches. Yeah, I'm not a mobility. Not all. Well, I was like, we're like, dude, we're not going to go as hard this year, the pets and all that. And that just went out the window once Norma Jean went on.

Starting point is 00:28:36 I was like, I went like went for it. You went back, you went in the in the in the in the mosh pit. I went in the mosh pit. Yeah, we had VIP everything. There's no reason for me to go in the mix of everybody. I did that specifically to try and okay, we're just going to enjoy the music this pit. Yeah, we had VIP everything. There's no reason for me to go in the mix of everybody. I did that specifically to try and okay, we're just going to enjoy the music this time. Yeah. That's dangerous. I'm going to tell you what, not for you. It's dangerous for everyone else because for if you were in a Mosh pit with a bunch of 20 year olds,

Starting point is 00:28:55 you would hurt a lot of them because you're an animal. You're going to go in with a bunch of 40, 50 year old dudes. Yeah. I feel bad for the poor guys. Well, I mean, it's, you know, there's the potentials there, but like it's real respectful. It's like a weird chaotic, because you're all in the same team. Respectful thing. You're all in the same team.

Starting point is 00:29:11 Yeah, I like the music, right? So yeah, you just have to kind of know that there's going to be arms and legs and things flying around and you just kind of have to get rid of. Did you get hit at all? Yeah, a couple times. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I got one on the top of my head.

Starting point is 00:29:26 And the probably like, these are the elbow or something. Yeah, this guy jumped off stage and just doosh like laying a right on my head. I have very minimal mosh pit experience, but some. And can you really, I don't know you were in a mosh pit? No, I had a roommate who was heavy into like a dropkick murphys and like, like, punk, right?

Starting point is 00:29:46 That's about what considered punk. Right. So I've been to a few concerts with her. But I always had a hard time knowing if like the people in the mosh, if they were really just vibing with the music and mosh and having fun and that we were on the same team, or there was someone in there that was kind of intentionally trying to, can you feel that in, or can you see like the guy who's just like, yeah, that guy gets his ass kicked,

Starting point is 00:30:09 but that's everybody gangs up on them. Yeah, we attack him. Okay, so you can see that and sense that right away. Yeah, and so it's changed a lot, and it's so funny to talk about this stuff, because this is all like, you know, unwritten stuff that's just like part of the code. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:30:26 When you go into these things and there's different, especially in a venue like this, you get different genres, like so you get the hardcore, you get the straight edgers, you get the circle pit, you know, like fast kind of music. So like punk music, you get a lot of like circle pits. That's, yeah, that's what I've experienced. What's a circle pit?

Starting point is 00:30:41 It's like you get a circle and just, you're, yeah, you basically somebody like creates space and then everybody just starts kind of moving in a circle and then you just get like swept into it. You know, if you're on the outside, they just push in and you just ah, terrifying. Yeah, it's really not that bad. It's just like you're just running and like hitting people like, you know, like next to you, it's not that big a deal. But so that's one version. Then there's this other version with the hardcore. They do like, I call it like slam dancing or like, we call it ninja pitting, because you just all of a sudden they'll hit some breakdown and you'll see a group of guys

Starting point is 00:31:19 just punching the air and doing these spinning kicks in place. They just start thrashing. And I made the mistake long time ago, is that like a hardcore show that we opened up for. And I'm just sitting there like watching like, oh, this is interesting. And then one of those things just broke out. And this kid was like, ah, started punching through his arm back. And it hit me right in the nose, broke my nose. I was like, oh shit, what was that?

Starting point is 00:31:45 He was like, felt so bad. He like, gave me his hat and everything. But that's a whole other thing. Like the ninja pitting, so that was going on at once with the circle pit and then you have the stage diving happening as well. So there's lots of chaos. You got to kind of keep it eyes out.

Starting point is 00:32:02 I wonder if there's studies done on this, because I feel like it's fascinating to me. I've never- I've never- I've never- I've never- I've never- I've never-

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Starting point is 00:32:30 And what's my evidence of that is that people are hitting each other and for the most part, nobody gets into a fight. Yeah. Everybody's like, we're here together, letting this out. We're pressing that line. And also you're feeling a unity because it sounds to me like it self-organizes. Yeah, so I wonder if there's any stuff that's fascinating to me.

Starting point is 00:32:48 Yeah, and it's like so many fall you pick, get pick them right back up. And so it's not like, yeah, there's no malintention going in. It's usually the person that has no idea and is like, oh, what's happening? And then they try and like get all serious about it. And then, you know, we stomp them right away. So how many buddies did you go with?

Starting point is 00:33:06 Two other guys. Oh, that's it. So there's just three of you guys. There's three of us. So my old lead singer and bassist guitarist. And yeah, so it's funny, dude. For us, it's like, we come back. We don't get to hang out ever.

Starting point is 00:33:23 And it's like rekindling kind of that whole music side. So it's so dorky, but we get so inspired, we go back and we start playing, you know, and we jam together and stuff at this house that I got. So one of my friends is doing kind of a side project that's so sick. He'd like, and I probably shouldn't talk about it yet, but like he does, he's doing like a themed kind of metal theme to like a very famous show. And then with like the characters,

Starting point is 00:33:50 he's gonna dress up as him and everything. And so anyway, I can't wait to, I'll show you guys to talk. As like the baller of the group of you three, do you get like less respect because of that? And do you like kind of downplay your success and show like that? And it's because I feel like that's,

Starting point is 00:34:03 it's comes from grunge and like hardcore. Yeah, but they're way better musicians. We're like, bro, huh? They're way better musicians. So it's like, they have that. Well, these are all mature men with families. I'm sure there's a lot of successful people, you know? You just gotta reach back and get them all.

Starting point is 00:34:17 You think a lot of like lawyers and suited up guys that you gotta work and they're gauges in and then they freaking go out and smash each other. Well, you're probably getting, maybe. I would bet it would be like 80 to 90% is probably blue collar would be my guess. And I would think that that kind of like grunge vibe is more respected than somebody who works for the man and it makes all kinds of money. I know. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm just guessing right now. Yeah, it's kind of an eclectic bunch. And would it be weird for someone like me

Starting point is 00:34:49 to go super VIP and posh guest day before seasons and then you go to the freaking, you know, rage concert? Like he said, yeah, that's, yeah, that's getting massages afterwards. It's not what it's about. It's not what it's about at all. Yeah, yeah. So it's, yeah, it's totally probably more

Starting point is 00:35:03 on the blue collar vibe for sure. Cause it's, it's a at all. Yeah, yeah. So it's totally probably more on the blue collar vibe for sure. Cause it's a rough, you know, it's a rough outlet, like you're saying, like we're there to like, it's like some kind of catharsis, you know, we're, Well, I was just, I was joking earlier because when you're doing it, when you're a teenager, you're like mad because, you know, mom and dad don't understand you, school sucks.

Starting point is 00:35:24 I don't get that girl broke up with me. But then when you're like in your 40s and 50s, are they like, my wife, complains, you know, my kids, I can't create a relationship with my son. Oh, fuck, yeah, yeah, I have to go to work every day. Exactly, yeah, I'm raging about, yeah, like, real politics of you. I love it. Yeah, raging about, yeah, like, world politics.

Starting point is 00:35:46 Oh, man, I love it. No, yeah, so anyway, so yeah, the biggest thing for me though, that was tough was the food situation, cause, you know, like, I guess, there's just a disconnect there in terms of, I don't know if you guys have different friend groups that like certain types of food like restaurants and then prefer things over the other.

Starting point is 00:36:10 They preferred a lot of like fast food restaurants. I just haven't been in that mentality for a really long time. Yeah, the most fast food I'll do is like in and out. It's about as far as I'll go. But I won't do like McDonald's Burger King talk about that. Like five guys is probably as far as I've gone, you know, in a long time. And so there was nothing open after the show.

Starting point is 00:36:31 And like, dude, we burned all kinds of calories out there. And we're just starving and it's like, dude, oh, this is open and it's Taco Bell. I'm like, Taco Bell. Uh oh. It's like, oh, hell no, this is, I already was like, dude, this is going to be like the worst idea we've ever had ever had like I don't know what you guys are talking about Oh, you're gonna be fine, dude. It's just tacos, you know just tacos and so we went back and I dude

Starting point is 00:36:53 I haven't had Taco Bell probably an over a decade like I'm not gonna how fast did you get diarrhea? Like I thought I was gonna be okay because it's not like a greasy, you know like crazy burger or anything from McDonald's I thought it might be okay, but dude, it was probably within an hour. I was just like, my stomach just was like this, and then I was on the, it was just like coming out. It was coming out. Oh my God, everywhere.

Starting point is 00:37:16 Yeah, I don't know. Like, and I was like pissed off about them, like why can't I just handle something simple like that? It just was like an immediate response. Oh, I was brutal. I remember I used to be able to eat that dude Yeah, as a kid all the time too. I can't even like it wasn't a thing There's no way one item from there would just shred me up and it was good to use a so hungry I was like smashing them down

Starting point is 00:37:39 So anyways did you bring anything of ours that you bring any of our partners and stuff like that? I did actually this time around, because last year, we kind of ran into some similar problems. And so I brought a bunch of the green juice packets with me this time. Oh, there you go. Yeah, so I was like passing them to them too the next morning because we were all just like stomachs and knots.

Starting point is 00:37:59 Oh, I needed something to kind of bring me back to nutrient levels. Yeah, I'll do. If I do something, I haven't done Taco Bell, but if I know I'm gonna go ham like that, I'll bring the organified green juice, and then if it gets real bad, I'll do activated charcoal just to absorb whatever that's going on. That's right. But the green juice makes a big difference. It's weird though, right?

Starting point is 00:38:22 It's weird how I used to be able to eat that kind of stuff. I don't get it. What was the favorite part of the trip? I want to say, I mean, just catching up with them, like we just had, we, you know, reminiscing and whatnot. These guys go back to high school. Was that how far back you guys go? College, college.

Starting point is 00:38:39 So we, I mean, we really thought we were gonna like tour and do all these things, things as a band and stuff. And it was just fun to go back to all the stories of dumb things. All the dumb ideas we had and how misguided our efforts were trying to become a band, a big thing. But yeah, we were just shooting the know, shooting the shit and had this place, it had like a pool and stuff. So we're just hanging out there. But I mean, I don't know. The whole trip for me was just great. It was 68, though. I just did. I can't get them. It was Alabama. That's what part of getting a valve. I'm burning him. Oh, burning him.

Starting point is 00:39:22 Yeah. Cool. Yeah. You went to Sanctuary, yeah. Just Birmingham. Oh Birmingham. Yeah cool. Yeah, you went to Sanctuary, yeah, just for one night. Oh, yeah, yeah, I was like the last You know time we're gonna go anywhere before the baby. I guess so I said let's book something was do something before the you know The shit it's this and kid list to yeah, yeah, mom watched a little one. So just can I how was that? It was fun. We just hung out. She's now late in the pregnancy So she's I think we're like five weeks away. That's crazy. It's here already. I know, man.

Starting point is 00:39:48 I know. So we didn't do a ton, but we went. We went. Yeah, we went to Carmel, had a good lunch. Just hung out, just the two of us, and just had that last. Like, it's like, we're not going to do this for a long time. So let's do this one more time before everything. Do you guys remember first realizing that you can eat garbage like

Starting point is 00:40:06 you could before? Do you remember the first time that happened here? Because I have a distinct memory of it for myself. Yeah, I think it was actually a talk about story for me. Was it? Yeah, my late 20s. It was late. It's right around there right there. 20s, early 30s. Well, because honestly, my early 20s, I was a trainer and still eating fast food. Same. Yeah, I used to, you know, terrible, but I used to like, use it based it off how you looked. Yeah, and I used to promote to my clients. Like, oh, you know, if you get in shape

Starting point is 00:40:31 and we build this muscle, you could eat this way too. Yeah, that's fucking stupid. No negative effects. Yeah, they're terrible, right? Admittedly, it was terrible. So yeah, I think I was that way for all the way until my mid towards my late 20s. And then it was really after, I think I was that way for all the way until my mid towards my late 20s. And then it was really after, I think it was about after a year of like consistently getting

Starting point is 00:40:52 out that out of my life, like just completely like getting rid of it. And then reintroducing it on a day and thinking that like, oh, it's been over a year since I've had this. Let me try it. And I think I probably did that two or three times in my late 20s and then about probably the third time of just like, and I'm even faster. Like I won't even be able to finish the food

Starting point is 00:41:14 and I'll have to go, I'll be on a toilet. Like that's how quick my body will tell me if I- Fast and fast. It's that quick. I mean, I had this, I ordered some food this weekend, actually off that I had the order, it was a place called Butterhouse, I had this, I ordered some food this weekend, actually, that I had the order, a place called Butterhouse. It looks amazing, but just, you know,

Starting point is 00:41:29 it was done really greasy and I didn't even get, you know, five bites into it. And it's like, yeah, it's how quick it to response now. For me, it was right around the same age. I think it was in my late 20s. I was hanging out with one of my clients. And I was, he was like, dude, he's like, I need help with my, my diet, you know,

Starting point is 00:41:47 go through my cupboard, take everything out that isn't good and I was teasing him because I went through his cupboard and he had Captain Crunch cereal. So I'm like, I'm gonna eat the rest of this Captain Crunch so you don't need it, right? And I hadn't had that kind of cereal in a long time. It was my late 20s and I remember I ate the bowl and then my stomach kind of hurt and I was like,

Starting point is 00:42:02 oh, whatever. Anyway, the next day was not a good situation to the point where I went to the doctor. Oh my God. Yeah. And the doctor checked me and he goes, yeah, dude, you just really messed up your gut. And he goes, I don't think you should be eating Captain Cr...

Starting point is 00:42:13 And I'm like, look at that. I'm gonna do, you know, like 29. Yeah. I'm like, I guess you're right. I can't be, I should be Captain Crits, you're real. I'm my age. What the hell is wrong with me? Anyway, I mean, I think it's kind of a blessing in disguise.

Starting point is 00:42:26 I think it's one of the hardest things for people that don't, and before I had that feeling is, because the body is so resilient, it does adapt and get used to that. I mean, I imagine if one of us were to continue to push that and just say, I have nothing else to survive on, but Taco Bell and you wait until eventually

Starting point is 00:42:44 the body would probably self-regulate a little bit and you would probably be able to handle it, which I don't think that's, you know, I only think it's an ideal situation. I think it's so eye-opening that. Wow, just by simply clearing this out of my system and then when I reintroduce it, look at how upset my stomach feels. That's why I love like the whole, you know, when you fast for an extended period of time, and then you slowly reintroduce foods, it's at that window for the next like week or two, is really eye-opening on like how your body accepts certain foods, because if you eat something really healthy and balanced

Starting point is 00:43:16 and nutritious and like- It's like having a high-performance car putting low-octane gas. Oh, here we go. So 87. Oh shit, this Ferrari sounds like crap, what the hell's going on? Right, right. And you're hyper aware at that point. Yeah. I think so. Speaking of food, so Jessica was asking me about butcher boxes salmon. So my son are really us. We try, we're

Starting point is 00:43:37 we kind of dealing with these gut issues with him. And part of what we're doing is we're putting him on a low history diet. This was, you know, recommended to us by our functional medicine, you know, friend. And... Becky Campbell. Dr. Becky Campbell. And so she asked me, she goes, is butcher box flash freeze their salmon? I don't know the big difference between regular frozen salmon or flash frozen. No idea.

Starting point is 00:44:01 So flash freezing salmon or fish, it doesn't develop ice crystals in the meat. It preserves the nutrients and actually when you cook that, you can seal it right away. It's so good. It can seal it and they freeze it super fast. Yeah. Like super, super cold air and freeze it super fast called flash freezing.

Starting point is 00:44:16 Okay. And it preserves the meat and it preserves the freshness. So once it thaws and you cook it, it's like you're eating it right then and there. And I was reading articles on this, it's better than buying quote unquote freshness. So once it thaws and you cook it, it's like you're eating it right then and there. And I was reading articles on this. It's better than buying quote-unquote fresh salmon. Unless you're getting salmon right off the bow, fresh salmon is usually thawed frozen salmon. So they'll catch the salmon, they'll freeze it, then they'll thaw, then they'll sell it to you at the grocery store. It's actually better to get something that's flash frozen.

Starting point is 00:44:38 And because they freeze it right at the moment when they catch it and it's processed. Now what's interesting to me is why that is not more well known and people don't use that as a marketing tool. It is apparently a marketing tool. So butcher box, I went on their website and everything, oh, flash frozen, okay, I didn't know about this. Oh, wow. But it preserves it, there's no ice crystal,

Starting point is 00:44:57 the flavor is good, it's better for you. And then because we're doing the slow histamine diet with my son, it creates less of the byproducts that you would get from slow freezing, which is slow histamine diet with my son. It creates less of the byproducts that you would get from slow freezing, which is more histamine. So, and that's for people who are sensitive, that's it. What's the closest fish you guys have ever had to like, like, fresh out the boat?

Starting point is 00:45:15 Like, can you think of an experience where you've actually experienced something like that where you think it's like the freshest you've ever. I get a restaurant that you had. Yeah, a restaurant or even, I don't know if you've ever gone fishing and then you could have ride out. Oh yeah, right afterwards, have you ever got a restaurant that you had a restaurant or even I don't know if you've ever gone fishing and then you could have ride out. Right afterwards, have you ever had some best?

Starting point is 00:45:28 The best time I did that was when we went to boundary waters and it's right there in the border of Canada and Minnesota and you have these canoes and you bring gear. So we actually fished right off the canoe and we caught some trout and then took it to the shore and we had a little iron skillet and some butter and salt and whatnot and literally just flayed it, gutted it and then just threw it on the right way and ate it right away. That was the best fish ever.

Starting point is 00:45:58 Makes a difference. Yeah, makes a massive difference. So my best experience like that was in Alaska and I wish I remember that. Well that was recently right? Not recently.. Well, that was recently, right? Not recently. Well, yeah, a few years ago. Yeah, yeah, not that long ago, right? So less than 10 years ago, Katrina and I did a trip to Alaska

Starting point is 00:46:12 and we did the cruise and we went into all these ports. I wish I remember exactly what port it was, but we went into this port and you get off the boat and you don't even walk 50 yards. And I think it was like Joe's crab shack or something, I can't remember the name of it, but you sit in it and the back of the kitchen is like this got this big open window.

Starting point is 00:46:32 And you literally watched the fishing boats come in and then wheeling these carts of moving crabs from the boat to the guy grabs them and then throws them in the pot right there and then they're right into your eaten them. Is it the association? Because you see them, you know, live and then the guy grabs them and then throws them in the pot right there and then they're hand then they're right into your eaten them. Is it the association because you see them live and then that's why I'm asking you guys because I'm wondering if it's like the association or there's probably I mean it was the most amazing crab I'd ever had in my life. I mean like it's not even close like the next best you know example of crab and I want

Starting point is 00:47:03 it's like that doesn't get any fresher than that. Yeah, a few free, like, hands and cargo. Oh, really? Yeah. So if you traditionally freeze something, ice crystals form in the meat, and it changes the flavor of it, the meat degrades a little bit, there's certain compounds that are produced,

Starting point is 00:47:16 so it can change the flavor. And this is just from what I read over the weekend, because I was, like I said, I was researching for the butcher box. I went, I wasn't believes, and we did this little trip where a guy took us on this boat to this tiny island, but on the way there, there was a buoy, and the buoy was, it showed him where there was

Starting point is 00:47:34 like a little lobster trap. So he said, let me see if we caught anything. He goes down, and they caught a couple, and then he put them on the boat, and we went to this little island, he cooked them right there. And it was amazing. It was amazing, right? It was amazing, it tastes so good. And I'm not a huge seafood person. Yeah, I'm not at all But I love it like that. Yeah, it was really good. Wasn't that you know, it's me and a seafood wasn't that what?

Starting point is 00:47:54 Michael Trinow told us about the whole seafood game. Yeah, wasn't that fascinating? I know. I had never heard that before I just that makes the whole you know, you know, tuna, salmon, swordfish thing is like a whole marketing game. Yeah, there's all these other local fish and all sorts of different types of fishes that are amazing. Local fish that just don't get it. Yeah. Marketing play.

Starting point is 00:48:14 So I thought that was such a brilliant idea when he came up with that. And I had never knew that. I just assumed that we eat the best fish because it's the best fish, not because it's got a bunch of marketing money. Speaking of marketing and money, a lot of stuff, I want to hear what you, because it's the best fish, not because it's got a bunch of marketing money. Speaking of marketing and money, that stuff, I want to hear what you,

Starting point is 00:48:26 because you told me earlier that, I guess, Tramoth on all in was talking about something about the markets or something's going on. Well, did you see that he pulled out? So he's like, you know, known as like the big spack guy, right, and he, I mean, he took help, well, what's his name? Richard Branson's company, public through his...

Starting point is 00:48:47 Oh yeah, I did hear this. They gave all the money back to investors. Yeah, yeah, give their money back. Cause they can't. And I don't, so I'm not familiar with how often that happens. I didn't even know that was a thing. Apparently it wasn't just him. There's other, yeah, a lot of people are following,

Starting point is 00:49:00 following his lead, I believe, and starting to like, so he runs a massive fund, right? And I think he's collected, I mean, hundreds of millions of dollars. So let me get this straight, Adam, because I'm not quite sure how this works. They collect money from investors, smaller amounts, so that they can have a large fund, and they go, and they're in front of the...

Starting point is 00:49:17 They go find them to make... That's right, they go make them, they go find the company. So you give them the money, and you say, okay, I trust you, you go make some good picks. Yes. And then he came back and said, there are none. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:49:26 I'm giving everybody your money back. Here's your money back. And he loses tens of millions of dollars doing that. Because just a, just a, just a, just a draw up the contracts. Wow. They must be really seeing things at the average. Yeah. I mean, I read an article that he said that like it's over.

Starting point is 00:49:39 The, the era of SPACs, it like he's saying that it's, what does that stand for? Uh, Doug helped me because I don't know the acronym off top of my head. It's the SPAT SPACs, like he's saying that- What does that stand for? Doug helped me because I don't know the acronym off top of my head. It's the SPAC SPAC. Yeah, and I was looking it up. Yeah, he says that we had been in a bubble for the last decade and that it's just not gonna happen anymore.

Starting point is 00:49:58 Well check this out. So the S&P 500, I sent this to you guys in the group text, is down 23.3% in the first 184 trading days of 22, the fourth worst start in history. So this is the fourth worst start of a year in history. And then a buddy of mine who's really big and to investments and stuff said basically, everything bubble is gonna pop soon.

Starting point is 00:50:22 So everything because there's nowhere safe. I wish I could remember what episode in Andrew would you be a champ if you actually found this. But I know I said it almost a year ago that October of 2022 would tell us everything. And I swear that this is where like less than a week away from that and every, I mean, they're already after, you saw the Fed came out, did another 75 basis points right yeah

Starting point is 00:50:45 So they did that previously which is already like we wrote that was the first time ever where you had three times a row 75 basis points, but the time that here's what's what while was such bad news and why we're seeing what we're seeing right now from this time is Last time it was like speculation if it was gonna be 50 or 75 basis points and they said if they went 75 basis points Then we should see inflation start to curb and we're gonna be 50 or 75 basis points and they said if they went 75 basis points, then we should see inflation start to curb and we're gonna be okay. This time, not only do they go 75 basis points, but now they're saying at least another 150 plus is coming next.

Starting point is 00:51:14 And because it's inflation is not slowing down. And so this is also why to your point about the market, this is why that is correcting so hard right now. And next is to see the real estate to follow. It's gonna get, there's some people that are speculating, it's gonna be worse than 08 now. And I would have said no way, and it doesn't, and you would think that, okay, this can't be possible

Starting point is 00:51:34 because there's not these subprime loans that are floating around and stuff like that. But we got inflated so fast, so hard that... Well, the rate is so different now now for buying a house, for example, that you're monthly payment. I don't remember, I sent it to you guys, but it was something like that. It's almost double.

Starting point is 00:51:51 So it went from somebody who wanted, I've seen, I actually saw Patrick but David posted also somewhere. He said that the luxury housing's already dropped 20%. Yeah, in comparison to where it was. Yeah. And so now the people will argue that, like, okay, well, we've been on this climb of 20

Starting point is 00:52:06 to 30% a year. And so 20% correction is really just bringing it back down to flat line. So it's not as like scary. It's that if it continues down that path that we might see one of the biggest corrections ever. But you're right. Okay. So most people, and I think this the stats, 100 or like 85 or 90% very high by houses based off of their payment. Yeah, people don't like it. People don't go like, oh, I can afford a house that's this expensive for the next 30 years.

Starting point is 00:52:33 They go like, I can afford this payment, therefore, whatever I can, unless you buy the house cash, so you have to do that. And the example that you were showing was that just last year, this exact same time, interest rates for a 30 year mortgage is around a 2 2.9 and now it's all the way, it's, you know, we're creeping up to six. And so what that looks like is somebody who bought

Starting point is 00:52:51 a half a million dollar house just last year would have the same payment as someone by like a 250,000 dollar house today. That's how, that's how, and obviously that gets crazier, more egregious as you go higher in the price point. So, which is why luxury homes are probably going to get crushed.

Starting point is 00:53:06 I mean, you're going to see, I think everything's going to get crushed. I don't think there's going to be, obviously, there's outliers that didn't climb that much that won't be, but I definitely think that it's here and inflation. I think we have it minimum of 12 to 18 months. Wouldn't they already say something like, basically it's gonna be great when we get inflation down to 4% which is like before it was 2% was a target.

Starting point is 00:53:32 And I remember my buddy told me that he goes, oh, what they're gonna do is you're gonna change basically what's considered acceptable inflation. They're gonna say now, no, I want a 4% percent's good, which is double what we used to consider, okay. Just a few years ago. So. No, no, four or five percent's good, which is double what we use to consider, okay? Right. Just a few years ago. Yeah, so.

Starting point is 00:53:47 Well, the real scary part is also like, what kind of knee jerk reaction is, you know, government going to do to try and respond to this? That's what I'm scared of. Because then when everybody gets all fearful of this and everybody overextending themselves in the last couple of years, everybody's going to have their hand out and be crying like, oh my god, especially when unemployment starts to go up. And so then, and then we're coming into, we'll be coming into an election year

Starting point is 00:54:10 in the next 12, 18 months, and they'll be talking about getting reelected. And then, you know, the last thing that we want to see is a president trying to get reelected by giving free pizza just to get people to vote. And because that will just exacerbate the problem even further, there's what it's going to have already. And so it's crazy to think that it's getting nasty right now

Starting point is 00:54:31 and it potentially could get way, way worse. So I don't know what to, I mean, the move was to hang tight. I mean, the whole tight and to save, to stack your chips right now. We have to feel pain. We have to. Just to flack and bring up all the other talking points of whatever else that's out there that people get emotional about.

Starting point is 00:54:51 Well, it's gonna be a lot of finger pointing. This guy, that guy, this party, that party, the reality is that everybody was working together. This has been a prattinier process. It's been a decade. Both sides guilty of. Plus in the word inflating. Special purpose acquisition company.

Starting point is 00:55:07 So it's basically to help companies go, private companies go public is the idea. That's what the whole Richard Brantley, so he took Richard Brantson's, what's his, his base company, I forgot what's his. It says it's a company with the commercial operations and is formed strictly to raise capital through an initial public offering or the purpose of acquiring emerging with it.

Starting point is 00:55:27 Yeah, they literally gave back all the money. That's the audience. Right. Remember, we're talking about. Yeah, he gave back billions of dollars and literally took it on the chin himself, losing tens of millions of dollars because just to set all those deals up and it's not a canary in a coal mine, you know, what is. Oh yeah, and you know, I was watching their episode this morning

Starting point is 00:55:48 and they were referring back to clips that he said, like over a year ago, and you know, one of the biggest things that he says was the indicator for him that he said a year ago, and then obviously it's coming true now, is that when you see people like the Elon Musk, the Bill Gates, you know, these big billionaires selling off some of their most prized assets and stocks that they love so much.

Starting point is 00:56:14 They tout all the time and they're selling massive positions on things that they believe are going to be around for a long time. It kind of tells you they're taking some cash off the table because they see the riding on the wall and to not do it yourself or not think that way, yourself think that this ride's going to continue that way is a bit arrogant, right? To think that you're smarter than all these guys that it's not going to get dark pretty soon here. Check this out.

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Starting point is 00:57:16 Our first caller is Andrew from California. Andrew what's happening, man? How can we help you? How's it going guys? I was a go-on guys. So I have been lifting for probably four or five years now. Started through football. I actually went to the high school that Justin now coaches at. And I did not find you guys through that. I found you guys separately and then connected the dots afterwards, which was bizarre.

Starting point is 00:57:46 But. Right on, Philip Cougar. Is there a picture of Justin in the weight room there? I'm not sure. I'm sure there is, buddy. Of course. I'm not. Immortalized.

Starting point is 00:57:58 Or as phone number in the bathroom stalls for a good time. Well, you know, people enjoy me. Sorry, Andrew, go ahead. Continue. You're good. So after my junior year, halfway through, was when COVID started. And so, lifting kind of took a pause for a little bit and then came back through a friend of mine, he had a home gym that we all went to. And that's really when I dove into it.

Starting point is 00:58:30 And I found you guys about a year after that. But I was going to school and I met, Jim I was going there and met a bunch of power lifters and they really indoctrinated me and so I Signed up for my first power lift competition and then leading into it. I heard a coach and He's super knowledgeable guy knows how to phase the training to

Starting point is 00:59:02 kind of I noticed how to phase the training to kind of stimulate hypertrophy for a while and then switch into a strength block and then peak for a meat, super knowledge wall, and I've learned a bunch of MSFORs form and techniques. But now I'm going into a second power-litching competition and the question that I have. About a month and a half ago, I suffered an AC joint spring and didn't know what it was at first. Did a bunch of things I used maps prime trying to figure out what was going on. Couldn't figure it out. Eventually, talking to my coach, just decided I need to go to a physical therapist because it wasn't an imbalance or anything. She works out of the gym that I work at now

Starting point is 00:59:48 and helped me figure out it was an AC joint spring, getting me a bunch of stability stuff to do. But now that I'm leading into my second conversation that I've been preparing for like six months for it and don't quite know how to bench with an AC joint spring, I've been preparing for like six months for it and don't quite know how to bench with an AC joint sprain. We've been basically staying pain free. And that's my max all time is 275. And I haven't been able to go over 185 without having paid.

Starting point is 01:00:26 My coach like super, knows a bunch, but doesn't have much to say other than we got to stick pain-free, we tried some technique things, couldn't get that. So right now our plan is just two weeks out to kind of just see what I can do as far as singles, and then just try to replicate that on me day. Just sucks because it's been like six months preparing for this and don't quite know what to do. Yeah no okay so AC joint issues are relatively calm and close to home for you yeah

Starting point is 01:01:02 yeah I had AC joint separation. So yours wasn't separated, right? It was just a spring. It was a spring, yeah, no tears, no separation. That's good, that's very good because it can get better. Mine separated. So the AC joint, a chromioclavicular joint,

Starting point is 01:01:16 it's at the, it's where the collarbone, kind of the end of the collarbone here at the top of the shoulder. And there's a lot of stress being placed on it in horizontal type pressing. Believe it or not, overhead pressing tends to not bother it. Inclined pressing, tends to not bother it. Dips, like body weight dips and bench press and decline type stuff will probably bother it most. You know, here's a deal. I know it sucks because you're preparing for this

Starting point is 01:01:38 meat. But my suggestion is to wait until it's fully healed, which may mean in this situation, you avoid bench press for a while. So we're not talking about, you know, it's, you know, unstable and that's why the, it's spring meaning there's an injury there. You got to wait. Is it, it's how, what are some of the most common reasons why someone sprains at it?

Starting point is 01:01:59 The inability maybe to pack the joint and stay stable there is that normally why someone sprains the AC joint? You know, there's such an emphasis in powerlifting with the bench press that you start to develop and balance with your pressing and the arch of the bench and the way you're positioning yourself, that AC joint is just placing a lot of,

Starting point is 01:02:18 with all that volume, it just placed under a lot of stress. Now, I didn't do mind venturing. I did mind because I placed my arm back in Jiu-Jitsu and hit the ground real hard. And so you'll see AC joint separations like football and sports like that. But power lifters often will get pain in the AC joint. And you gotta lay off the bench for a while.

Starting point is 01:02:39 Now, what you can do is you can do incline presses, incline dumbbell presses, you can do overhead presses, which will maintain some of your bench strength, but I would avoid competing in the bench press until you're like 100%. And you're young, and I know this is exciting and you're competing, but what you don't want to do is get to the point where you have to have it get resected because then you'll never get 100% of the stability you can have in your shoulders. So like, my left shoulder, I have the AC joint was resected.

Starting point is 01:03:07 Now I've got it back to like 90% of its original stability, but I'll never get back to 100%. Because that joint's gone. Look how buff salons needs to bench with 135 all the time. All the time, that's his max. In one hand though. So, no, but all joking aside, you're gonna probably have to avoid benching for a while.

Starting point is 01:03:24 So I would suggest if you want to continue to compete maybe You compete in a single exercise meet, you know like a deadlift or Squat sometimes they have those or Just just chalk it up go to the meat work your way back Do a do a real light bench and then just look and see how heavy you can squat and deadlift. And your total is not going to be great because your bench is going to be so low, but so what, you're still learning the skill, you're still competing, you're still part of the power

Starting point is 01:03:52 lifting, but you got to wait for it to heal, man, because if you keep benching through this process, you may not, you may prevent it from really getting 100%. And I know what it feels like, like I said, to be on the other end of that, you don't want to get to the point where, and that's what I did, I ignored it. I ignored it and I kept working over it and working around and pushing and pushing and then it became a full separation.

Starting point is 01:04:13 So. I think you're not gonna like anybody's answer, Andrew. I think we're all gonna probably tell you something really somewhere. I think the best advice to kind of like, coming from an athletic background, I know how shitty that is, you've been training for something, you're excited, you're seeing progress in your lives, like you're feeling pretty good, then you have this injury and it's like, uh, you that

Starting point is 01:04:34 competitive side you still wants to compete. So I think the advice that you just gave is probably the best advice where I still feel like I could go compete even though I probably know I'm going to take him out because I'm not going to be able to put up a good bench number, but I would still go through the process. And I would just accept that. I would just say, you know what, I'm going to keep training, I'm going to lay off the bench, I'm going to go in there, I'm going to bench a number that is so much lower than my max just to get in there and to be able to compete.

Starting point is 01:05:01 And I'm really focused on my deadlift and my squat going going into this meat and then letting my AC joint heal. So that's probably the best advice that I think all of us are probably going to give unless Justin you have something different. No, I mean, it's one of those things where yeah, as an athlete, you're trying to overcome everything. So this is like, you know, another one of those things you look at is adversity, where you have to kind of push through. But when it comes to like something you could end up preventing you from competing further, like this is like a more of a conversation of like, what is your future look like in terms of competition? And, you know, how serious are you going to take this? Or is this just the experience that you're wanting to get out of it? Then I would say what, you know, they're talking about in terms of still going through the process of competing and doing it at a very minimal weight

Starting point is 01:05:50 in terms of it affecting and hurting what you already have going on. I mean, I would pretty much just solely focus on rebuilding yourself and getting your body back to optimal form. And that's tough to hear. Yeah, I know Andrew, the way you feel, you're super focused and motivated, and it feels like, man, this is awesome. I don't wanna, I've been preparing for this. I don't wanna avoid it. I don't wanna have wasted all that time. But if you take a couple steps back,

Starting point is 01:06:20 focus completely on rehabbing, and still do the other exercises, and you can still train, like I said, I'm assuming, like you probably feel okay with an incline press, right? It probably doesn't bother it. Yeah, it's only at like the very top if I'm fully locked out above that it does, but the entire range of motion feels fine. Yes.

Starting point is 01:06:39 I've been doing a bunch of incline without fully locking out of the top. Okay, so I mean, you could still work out those muscles, but really focus on rehab. So you take a couple steps back. What is that gonna allow you to do though? It'll allow you to compete later on in the future. Now, if you're like a professional athlete, and this is the Super Bowl,

Starting point is 01:06:55 and you got a sprained AC joint, and that's your job, okay, take some anti-inflammatories, put some tape on, and then go for it, and you're sacrificing your body, you're making millions of dollars. I could see that, but you're a young kid. I know it feels super important to you right now,

Starting point is 01:07:10 but it's probably not worth it. So I would focus entirely on rehab, train the rest of the body and allow yourself to compete. You know, lay it on. Yeah, a lot of time left. Yeah, it's really come back with some thunder. So it's all about like how much effort you put into it right now that's gonna help rebuild you back and get you further than you would have got.

Starting point is 01:07:27 Yeah, the weaknesses of powerlifting are its strength. Its strengths are it focuses on these big movements. These really effective movements. You get strong at them, you build good muscle, but the weakness is it's three movements. And there are other things you could train around, but it really just competes in three movements. And so you tend to see issues, similar issues across the board with people, with those types of sports, and injuries in powerlifting over time are pretty high, mainly because it's like any sport, right?

Starting point is 01:07:59 You're competing at a high level. So if you want to be able to do this in the future, focus entirely on rehab. I would go to that physical therapy is the best thing you could do. Physical therapists are the best when it comes to stuff like this. They're better than any coach you're going to work with or any like that. I would work with the physical therapist and wait till you're 100% before you really push it. Okay. Second part of the question as far as coach does my programming currently and I want to kind of switch towards more unilateral training like you guys have been talking about with

Starting point is 01:08:34 map symmetry. How would you, like, your all experience coaches, if you had a client who wanted to kind of slip things up, how would you most want them to come approach you with something like that? Like I want to talk to him about running map symmetry or switching up towards that. Does he listen to the show? He's not. Oh, good luck. He now he's he's a power lifting coach, right? Yes. He is. So I met him as a friend first. And then he coached three or four people and he coaches himself. He actually has a couple USABO national records. So he's

Starting point is 01:09:13 yeah. Yeah. Good. I wouldn't. So I would. So I would not give you advice that would counter what he's saying in terms of powerlifting. He's going to be a better powerlifting coach than me. Not to mention he's got you, right, in person. I mean, we would all agree that that's a better, a better coach than even us, right? Yeah, over here, you know, through podcasts or whatever. I mean, you could run symmetry, you could run symmetry by yourself. That's what I would do. I would finish to the meet with him afterwards, take a break for a while from him, run symmetry

Starting point is 01:09:40 by yourself since all of the coaching and stuff that we have in there. And I think you would benefit from unilateral training. And also the isometric component that's in there. I think those are both being extremely valuable to you. Follow the program and then get back with him afterwards. Yeah. Andrew, what's your best lift, by the way, between squat, deadlift and bench? Which one do you do best at in your age and weight category?

Starting point is 01:10:00 Squat right now. Okay. What, you know what? Why don't you find yourself a squat meat? They have meats where you could just do a single lift. You don't have to do all three that'll that that way you could still compete You know I'm saying Yeah, the problem is it's a already signed up. It's up to October 22nd. So it's less than a month away Okay, well, you don't have to do it or you could do what I said and just bench real light and then yeah I think that's the best advice. I mean, I think you still go there

Starting point is 01:10:28 I mean you're you're gonna be able to see who does the best squat who does the best deadlift there and you know It gives a shit about the the little trophy. They give us and all that bullshit I'm saying it's like that you're competing against yourself. You're trying to improve You're going to see how you you line up. You know you're not gonna be able to add your bench in there really because of how light You're gonna have to go. Yeah, so what how you're not going to be able to add your bench in there really because of how light you're going to have to go. So what? How old are you, Andrew? I'm not you.

Starting point is 01:10:48 Oh my God. Yeah, you got like so much time. You got like, you're going to be strong. You're going to be so much stronger in 10 years. That's not even funny. Like take your time and be careful. Don't, don't, this is not like this is however strong you are now is not even close to where you can be.

Starting point is 01:11:02 Yeah, we're going to be your body man. In 10 years. Yeah, you're the biggest thing. You're good, man. We'll send you map symmetry by the way if you don't have that okay Thank you. You got it, man. All right, man. Thanks for calling in Yeah, thank you guys. You got it. All right, dude Yeah, I mean you guys know what that feels like it's like it's everything it's a little buzzkill Yeah, dude that news, but that's what easy and it's hard to turn off that focus right when you're when you have that mindset

Starting point is 01:11:24 Where you're like I'm gonna do this thing. Yeah. And you're in that mindset, the mindset basically says, nothing will get in my way. And that's a good competitive mindset. If you wanna succeed in anything, that's a good mindset.

Starting point is 01:11:36 However, you have to know when to turn it off. It's really hard to turn it off. Because now you're like, well, I'm gonna injure myself, which means I can't compete again, but I'm not gonna let anything stop me. So you're in this like, what do I do? This struggle, like I'm gonna finish this thing out

Starting point is 01:11:51 because I'm so committed, but then it's gonna hurt me. And this is where I look at, there's an added element of responsibility on the coaches to really like maintain that kind of integrity of like not being like, yeah, just push through it like. Because athlete is always gonna,

Starting point is 01:12:04 well, a good athlete, so I was gonna have that mentality. This is just diversity, I can just push my way through it. I'm still gonna compete, I'm still gonna do my best, you know, and that's what you want out of your athlete. But as a coach, you know, is this really setting them up for success or is this like deterring them from then being able to pursue things in the future? Well, it sounds like his coach had already told him

Starting point is 01:12:23 to back off, they were doing inkling and stuff. So it sounds like the coach knows what to do. When it sounds like to me was he's already got his answer from mom and he's coming to dad now. And once a seed dad has a dad. Oh, he's 19 years old. I know. Yeah, you know, I would've been,

Starting point is 01:12:36 I mean, he's way better than I would've been at 19. I wouldn't even have called anybody. I don't think I'm doing it anyway. You know, I mean, you know, case in point, I had to have surgery. So, yeah, yeah. I mean, what are some stuff, I mean, the thing that comes in point I had to have surgery. So yeah, yeah, I mean what are some stuff I mean, I think that comes to mind for me is like priming for he works out like the wall circles doing like overhead carries

Starting point is 01:12:50 Maybe packing the the shoulder joint working on that depression of the scapula working on all the stabilizer muscles external Rotation and just overall stability, but you know because it's such a bench press is so limited by itself, and especially when you create this arch, you create this kind of force where you want to push your shoulder up, and that's what causes the problem. Well, yeah, and isn't the answer to this is building a very bulletproof shoulder, just by getting back, with lots of stability and and strength because I mean he's not he's not weak Right, he obviously he probably bench is good weight and that he but he's lifting in the same plane all the time And so getting into them more kind of performance based exercises that we have in maps performance getting into the things like the

Starting point is 01:13:37 Stuff in prime and like getting good at that and overhead carry so you can kind of bulletproof that shoulder I mean he's 19 years old. That's where my head goes right away It's like you need to spend your time doing all that, especially since you're nowhere close to your peak. You're gonna get way stronger. Exactly. Our next caller is Arnold from Tennessee. Arnold, what's happening?

Starting point is 01:13:55 How can we help you? Hey guys, how are you doing? I just want to say real quick that after numerous years of watching countless YouTube videos on fitness, wellness, etc. I run across the Mind Pump channel a couple months ago and you guys instantly became my favorite. Yeah, I went for a guy that looked, didn't ever listen to podcasts to listen to you guys on a daily basis. So I'm real quick. It's not because we're really good, it's because

Starting point is 01:14:21 everyone else sucks really bad. Yeah. The time of the ship pile. Yeah. Alright, sorry. Go ahead and tallest midget. Let's go. What the shit. Jesus Christ. Alright.

Starting point is 01:14:32 Thanks Arnold continue. Yeah. Absolutely. So going into the question is for numerous years I've been doing the six to eight meals a day trying to get my protein intake in. And then after doing that for quite a while, I developed, you know, I gained a little, some pounds I wanted to get rid of. So I went into, tried intermittent fasting about seven weeks ago.

Starting point is 01:14:57 It began seven weeks ago. I lost 30 pounds rapidly. It's been absolutely amazing. Remood's been elevated. It's the best sleep that I've gotten since I was a teenager. My relationship with food is the best it's ever been in my entire life. So now that my body's kind of adapted to intermittent fasting and I'm not losing any more weight, I wouldn't stay.

Starting point is 01:15:17 I want to stick to doing the 16-8-IF. But I'm concerned how, when I'm only eating three meals a day, how can I meet my daily protein requirement? I'm 144 pounds and I try to get the one gram per pound. But how can I meet that requirement with three meals a day and is there a way to improve how much protein can be absorbed per setting given that you studies indicate that it's only 20 to 35 grams per setting given that you studies indicate that it's only 20 to 35 grams per setting.

Starting point is 01:15:47 Yeah. Okay. So there's a couple of things there. First, you said all the right stuff about intermittent fasting. Now, I switched my mind as you were talking. At first, you said, I lost weight with intermittent fasting. I don't like fasting for weight loss because it could actually promote a bad relationship with food.

Starting point is 01:16:03 It can promote bad behaviors. However, you did say things that then made me change my mind. You feel better, you have more energy, you're sleeping better, you have a better relationship with food, in which case I say, okay, there's then in this case it sounds like it's all right. Now you said you weighed 144 pounds. I'm assuming you meant 244 pounds.

Starting point is 01:16:18 You don't look like a hundred. Oh, sorry, yes. I used the way 274 and now I weigh 244. Okay. Now I did want to comment on your now I weigh 244. Okay. Now I did want to comment on your absorbing, your question about absorbing protein. That's actually false. You can eat far more protein and absorb all of it.

Starting point is 01:16:33 It's really up to how well you digest it and how you feel. So this will be different from person to person. So if you eat, you know, 60 grams of protein and meal and you feel okay and you digest it okay, you don't notice any bloating or constipation or gastro issues. Totally fine, nothing wrong with that. The other thing is that you're 244 pounds,

Starting point is 01:16:52 you can eat a gram of protein per pound of body weight, but also you can also just use lean body mass. I mean, do you know what your body fat percentage is sitting at? Do you have any idea where you're kind of at? No, and that's why that I've been kind of doing the one per pound thing. Okay. I think I think some of the stays indicate what is it? 0.7 per lean man.

Starting point is 01:17:11 Yeah, I'd guess you'd be okay. Hit in 200 grams. It would be 200 will be plenty. Yeah, 200, 200 a day, which was at 65 roughly or 67 roughly a meal for three meals. And so just a bumpier serving size. So if you normally eat six to eight ounces of meat with your meal, do 10 to 12. And then to Sal's point, pay attention to your digestion because some people can't sometimes that is a lot of meat or maybe they can't

Starting point is 01:17:38 handle red meat that way, but then if they do like turkey or chicken, it doesn't bother them at all. So pay attention to what digest well for you and sit well after you eat that. And then just bump your meat, bump the size of your, the portion size of your meat and you'll be fine. And you're a perfect example of somebody who I totally don't mind following like a 16, 8 intermittent fasting window permanently because it works well for your life.

Starting point is 01:18:00 It's improved your relationship with food. And I think all we just need to do is just bump the ounces of meat that you're eating in each meal. The other thing I would say too is you don't want to necessarily, I get the structure around intermittent fasting, no worries. I get the structure on intermittent fasting and why, how it can help some people, okay? But you don't want to get so obsessed with it that you're trying to fit everything into this window to the point where now that starts to feel,

Starting point is 01:18:30 like I'm stuffing myself, it feels, yeah, dysfunctional, like it really isn't that big of a deal if you add a fourth meal, you know, outside of that window. That's really isn't. That's a great point, so, cause let's say we did, I bumped your protein, you come back here, you're just like, oh man, I just added my fill,

Starting point is 01:18:45 lethargic after these meals, it's just too much in one sitting, it just doesn't sit well me. I'd say, hey, let's cut your fast two hours earlier and eat a fourth meal. That's literally how I'd solve it. There's nothing magical about the 16. I know all the books and stuff, like they try and sell it,

Starting point is 01:19:01 like it's this magical number for you, it's like, nah. What matters right now is you've improved your relationship with food, you're eating, you're making better choices, you're eating balanced meals. And if we are struggling with getting enough protein in your day, I would simply cut your, I would expand your eating window by two hours and front load another meal in there that's high in protein. That's how I would solve that if the eating bigger portion size doesn't sit well for with you and you don't like that. Yeah, it's really just about like paying attention

Starting point is 01:19:27 to your body's feedback constantly, because I mean, I went through this for a while, I was like religious about eating within this window, and to the point where I was doing that for about a year, and I could feel like, especially if I was cutting out breakfast for that long, I just didn't have that same energy after a while, so it changed. My body reacted that same energy after a while. So it changed.

Starting point is 01:19:45 My body reacted to it differently after a while. So just keep in mind that it may not always keep working for you like it's working currently. So just to make sure you pay attention to that. Yeah, and the benefits of fasting that you'll read about, the cellotophagy, the reduced inflammation, neurogenesis. neurogenesis. I mean, that's really comes, the reduced inflammation, neurogenesis. I mean, that's really comes from the reduced calorie intake.

Starting point is 01:20:10 Now, there are cases we're not eating at all, even when everything else is controlled as beneficial, especially with people with inflammatory gut issues. Sometimes that's a good idea, but aside from the food relationship and dare I say spiritual aspects of fasting, which can have tremendous benefits for the right people, aside from that the physiological benefits,

Starting point is 01:20:31 when all the calories and macros are controlled and so long as you're not eating too close to sleep and all that stuff, really doesn't make that big of a difference. In fact, some people, what they'll do is they'll start with intermittent fasting, works for a while, then they'd run into a Justin Renz into where their cortisol gets a little out of whack, they need to eat something in the morning.

Starting point is 01:20:51 It was too catabolic. Yeah, they start doing that, and then they figure, oh, you know what, once a month, when I do a 48 hour fast, that seems to work best for me. I get the benefits of the fasting, but it happens once a month with 48 hours or something along those lines. So have that flexibility within your mindset

Starting point is 01:21:05 and take it from there. But as far as the protein is concerned, I mean, you could try the bigger meals. 60 to 65 grams of protein in a meal is probably gonna be very satiating. Personally, that might make me feel a little stuffed. If you start to feel like you're force feeding yourself to make it work, I would just add an extra meal.

Starting point is 01:21:23 I would say I would add an extra meal and cut the fast by a few hours. Excellent. Excellent. I read prior to running across the Mind Pump channel on YouTube, Annel and Spotify, I ran across someone recommending taking digestive enzymes to assist with protein absorption. Is that a myth or is it actually something? No, that can help. That can definitely help, especially as you age. So as we age, we start producing less of these digestive enzymes.

Starting point is 01:21:48 It's a very safe, easy supplement to take, very inexpensive. We work with a company called... You take it almost every time, don't you? I take them with larger meals. I take, we work with a company called Mass Zimes. I like them. I think they're more dedicated to creating enzymes for athletic populations.

Starting point is 01:22:05 So it won't hurt and what you'll do when you take them, you'll notice if they help or not. So you'll use them and you'll know within a week like this is this is I like this or not or I noticed no difference in which case Don't take them anymore, but especially for people who consume larger meals And especially as we age you start to see some benefits from consuming digestive enzymes, especially if you have things like a gallbladder removed or any type of gut inflammatory issues. All right. That's awesome.

Starting point is 01:22:33 I really appreciate this opportunity, gentlemen. And thank you for what you're doing for the health and fitness community. Yeah. Thank you Arnold. Appreciate it, man. Thank you. What if he was Captain America? Steep.

Starting point is 01:22:44 Steep. Steep. We're tired. Yeah. It's like I was the guy that hung up my shield. You know, it's so funny. Like as soon as he said, he'd never meant fasting. I lost weight. I was like, oh, I'm gonna tell him this is the wrong thing. And then he was saying all those stuff.

Starting point is 01:22:56 Oh, okay. You know, he said the right things. Yeah. He said, I would totally let him stay. I can say. But and Justin and great advice too because. Doesn't mean he's gonna work forever. Well, and what you both kind of touched on

Starting point is 01:23:06 that i think it's such an important point to go back to is that more than one and this by the way this applies to uh... begins carnivore diet or gido diet exactly that the part that this person it that the success that he's having is less about the intermit fasting and it's more about the calorie reduction, the consistency with the balanced meals over and losing 30 pounds. That's why he feels so good. He could have done it through keto, he could have done it through vegan and more and most likely. Now, what's okay to say is to say that, hey, this is what works, but he's maybe he's tried those

Starting point is 01:23:41 other diets and those didn't work from, but this eating window thing worked really well with them And he said some the right things. It's improved my relationship with food I've never ate so well my sleep is on the good like oh dude. Let's stick to this But also let's not be so married to the protocol that now we're force feeding you in three meals And you're like oh my god Adam to hit 200 grams. It hurts my gut. Okay, well then let's expand your eating window by two hours and add another meal in there. Yeah. So it's just, that's the problem with all the diets

Starting point is 01:24:11 is people, they have good success like he has had and then we become married to that like as it was the end all be all for you and it's like, no, that's not really why you felt really good. That's even true for workouts. That's right. You're not the same person that you were five years ago,

Starting point is 01:24:25 or even maybe last week, right? So things change, your life changes, your body changes. And what happens is we do something, and it works really well, and it tends to stick in our mind. Like, man, I got in the best shape of my life when I did X, Y, and Z. Well, that doesn't mean it's gonna be

Starting point is 01:24:38 getting the best shape of your life now 10 years later. You know, things change, and it tends to get us to ignore the signals of our body. Well, this is why people become so staunch about it too, because they had success. Like heaven forbid you try and tell them otherwise, because I barely know the guy, right? And if I all said make that assessment,

Starting point is 01:24:54 like, oh, it's not the guy, you're like, fuck you, I tried this, I tried this, I tried this. This is the only thing that worked, and it worked amazing. Like, I'm not gonna listen to some guy tell me this isn't it. Yeah, for me, yeah, this isn't it. For me. Yeah, you gotta check yourself. For you, wreck yourself.

Starting point is 01:25:08 Right. Hmm. Our next caller is Ben from North Carolina. Ben, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Hey, guys. So first of all, I just want to thank you for having me on. I've been on the show before and the fact,

Starting point is 01:25:21 and it wasn't even that long ago, so the fact that you're having me on again speaks a lot about y'all's willingness to provide continued support to all of us knuckleheads out there. So we all really appreciate that a lot. Thank you. Yeah, absolutely.

Starting point is 01:25:34 So I am kind of at a loss with my training and could use some direction. A little background, I'm 34, I'm 5'11, 165 pounds. I've been training for about four years, really consistent with the last two. For a long time, I was doing kind of like J. Ferragis programming, which could be very much like lower, preferable training, six-eight reps, not a lot of barbell lists, it's not being joint friendly and protecting the shoulders and stuff. And then over the past year, two, switch to some of the map style stuff I have,

Starting point is 01:26:07 anabolic performance and I'll have prime. I've run into some issues that have kind of impeded my ability to progress lately, which are for one, my shoulder. I have problems pressing. So right here on the front part of my shoulder, I have problems pressing right there. And unless I do like lots and lots and lots of ramp up sets,

Starting point is 01:26:29 or focus really, really hard on trying to train around, but that pain just always kicks in. And I've had to really scale back any kind of forward pressing stuff. And then I also had on this shoulder back here, which I think is either like mid-shabby or rhomboid, right along the border of the scapula.

Starting point is 01:26:46 It's just this chronic like ache and stiffness that kicks in a lot, not when I'm working up but just throughout the day. And I saw Luna PT for that and we weren't really able to address it. She basically told me to just stop lifting for a while. She said, just use five pound dumbbells. And so I did for a little while and pain went away and then lo and behold when I started training again the pain came back. And then on my left shoulder I have pain on this top part right here in the lower portion

Starting point is 01:27:16 of overhead pressing. So even if I use like light resistance bands it feels good on the way up and then on the way down I start to feel pain. So that's my shoulders. I've never been able to do the overhead barbell pressing because it's just my shoulders don't like it. Same with a straight barbell bench pressing. And then my low back gives me pain. Sometimes when I deadlift, straight bar deadlifting has always been an issue. I have to be like really, really, really methodically and attentive to technique. And even then, sometimes I still always have seen the tweak it, which bleeds into my squatting as well. I know you guys have said thoracic lack of mobility

Starting point is 01:27:54 can cause comeoffensation down there. So I know that I have some stiffness and thoracic spine that I've been working on as well. So, you know, just with those problems, plus I have some sleep in a dream all the time to you know, just with those problems, let's say I'm sleeping, a dream little time people choose, I'm trying to, which means I have to scale back the intensity with which I train, so I can recover. I just kind of, all these different things,

Starting point is 01:28:12 I'm trying to juggle and I'm just not, kind of not sure, feel a little directionless about how to move forward. What do you do for work, Ben? So I'm a bartender for right now, but I'm actually training to be a health coach and exercise professional. So my head is filled with knowledge, which doesn't make this any easier, you know, but yeah, bartending for work right now.

Starting point is 01:28:37 So the most, the red flag, or should I say, that one of the more important things that you said was sleep and adrenal issues. So when I work with someone and it's, and I hear pain in one area, then pain in another area, then pain somewhere else, and it's like, oh my gosh, there's all these areas that tend to bother this individual, then what tends to scream at me is that there's just too much stress on the body, overall. Just overall too much stress.

Starting point is 01:29:02 You have to scale it way down and focus really on getting your body back to normal, back to healthy. So what does that look like? I'm not sure. Depending on the program you're following, I would cut the volume way down. Map symmetry, bro. Yeah. Map symmetry. Now that, see, map symmetry would be great. However, I don't know if even that's too much volume considering some of what you're talking about. I would cut the volume way down. I'm gonna send you map symmetry, because I think that'll be the best program for you.

Starting point is 01:29:28 But I'll cut the, but keep it moderate intensity at highest and keep the volume down. So whatever if we say we ask for three sets or four sets, cut the volume down to one or two sets, and wait for your body to heal because your body's talking to you. And yes, there's definitely acute specific issues we can focus on, but the bigger picture looks like your body just overall is having a tough time adapting

Starting point is 01:29:53 to whatever stress is you're putting upon it. And remember stress can be lack of sleep, it can be lifestyle, it can be diet, it can be gut issues, that's often an issue. So try to figure out what are these stressors? Get your body back to homeostasis, and then you can ramp up the volume. So I don't think you should stop exercising,

Starting point is 01:30:12 but I do think you should really, really cut the volume down, really cut the intensity down, and focus on getting your body back to where it's starting to feel good. And also to, you know, as far as the shoulder issues and instability and so you said you had prime or prime pro. I have prime, yeah. Prime, okay, so and you're doing the wall test specifically in, okay, in some like a shoulder circles

Starting point is 01:30:37 and things to identify. I think that, you know, really taking an approach there with map symmetry, with adding in other addressing a lot of those instabilities. So say a bottom's up, Kettlebell Press, where now I have to, the entire intention of that exercises to address lateral stability in the shoulder, the same thing being any of the rotation elements of instability, so taking a kettlebell or a dumbbell

Starting point is 01:31:05 and doing a halo with that. And just kind of working very gradually on addressing where that lies, where I can kind of peer into more to gain that kind of muscle tension to support around the shoulder and bullet proof it. So that would be my two suggestions, as well as like overhead carries and really just like gradually taking

Starting point is 01:31:30 that, you know, approach of just like trying to maintain support and packing the shoulder approach. I want to make sure though, Ben, you understand what I'm saying though, is don't do more. Right. So what Justin's saying right now is changing what you're doing. Yeah, regressing it down to addressing the, yeah, is don't do more. So what Justin's saying right now is changing what you're doing. Yeah, regressing it now to addressing the, yeah. In stability.

Starting point is 01:31:48 Don't throw more on top. You said adrenal issues. I want to ask you, what do you mean by that or how do you mean by that? Did you get tested for hormones? No, so basically, through all my research and, you know, the years of ex-trial and error and stuff like that and also my training. I'm a board certified health coach, so I've gone through it. I have a lot of different like pieces of resources to show what a adrenal symptoms look like. You know, like waking up tired, even if you've already

Starting point is 01:32:15 slept night, just fatigue throughout the day, like like light head in this when you stand up too fast. Those are all symptoms of like low blood pressure from adrenal issues and needing caffeine to get going in the day. Even though I don't drink that much. I totally hear what you're saying about doing less and you're very big about doing less and I have been doing less for the last couple months to just try and find what that sweet spot is of what volume is enough that I can recover adequately, but also don't like quit entirely. And it's been this like delicate dance I'm doing. Have you got any fatigue type of stuff? Ben, have you gotten tested for specifically for your hormones and any nutrient deficiencies

Starting point is 01:32:59 and if you hadn't you got health tests on? Yeah, I started the minerals and metals test and the Candida metabolic test through the cabral people. And we kind of got somewhere, but the main takeaway was that more testing is needed from the production. Okay, so I would really work with them because what you're telling me right now sounds like your body has an inability at the moment to deal with stress. And you've already cut down things over the last two months

Starting point is 01:33:27 and you still feel crappy. So that screams to me that there's something that you haven't identified yet. And unless you identify it, doing more or less, whatever, I mean, you could get to the point where you do so little, you start to feel kinda okay, but then like what do you do, you gotta live there? So I would work with Dr. Cabral's team

Starting point is 01:33:47 and get to the bottom of this. Figure out what the root is, it could be a gut issue. I mean, it really could be as easy as a gut issue and treating that and figuring out kind of what's going on there. It could also be, I mean, you did the toxicity test, I think you said. So I would go further with them and really find the root cause

Starting point is 01:34:03 because again, what's coming to me off what you're saying is your body Seems to have an inability to deal with stress at the moment Yeah, I mean that's been that's been a long long standing journey doing the detective work just like trying out like Like you know, I've taken a couple their gut health protocols as per the recommendation of health coach and You know, it's kind of like 50, 50 if I actually like got much out of it. You know, so I'm just, I mean, you know, I'm never going up on it, but it's just,

Starting point is 01:34:32 that's just kind of where I'm at right now. Yeah, reframe the way you feel and think about it right now. I know it can be frustrating and feel daunting and so that, but just, you know, because of the profession you're going to going into, Ben, this is what's going to make you a great health coach. Yeah, absolutely. I see it as an opportunity to learn

Starting point is 01:34:48 because I'm gonna deal with people who have these kinds of problems. That's right. That's right. Yeah, that's right. And I agree with Sal, dive deeper into Cabral stuff. I mean, the guy is just a wealth of knowledge.

Starting point is 01:34:57 So as much as you can go through with him and learn from him to help that. And then eventually, I do think that the program is symmetry. So I know Doug's gonna send symmetry over to you because that's addressing all the do think that the program is symmetry. So I know Doug's going to send symmetry over to you because, uh, and that, that's addressing all the shoulder stuff that we're talking about. I just think the, the unilateral work, the isometric work that's in there is going to be ideal for you and then complementing it with prime, which you already have. So that, that, I do think that's a move, but I do think that if you don't solve the root cause that's going on and it could be something gut related that related that could brawl could help you with.

Starting point is 01:35:25 That it doesn't matter what we send you program wise, you're gonna keep running the same mission. Yeah, and I'm guessing to the best of my ability, but the testing is what's gonna tell you. You know, I remember I had a client once who had these kind of neurological, you know, issues, she would feel like tingling and pain in her fingertips.

Starting point is 01:35:40 And we couldn't fear I was going on. And she thought she had to take more B vitamins. Maybe there's a, well, anyway, finally convinced her to do lots and lots of testing. It took a while. You know what it was. She was taking too many B vitamins. It was the opposite of what she thought. So how'd she not done all that testing?

Starting point is 01:35:56 She would have never figured it out and it would have been one of these lifelong kind of issues. So I'd say go through all the testing they recommend and get to the bottom. And once you figure that out, then your body's ability to adapt to stress. We'll get back to normal. You can start training again. Yeah. Okay. Cool. And so if regarding symmetry, just, you know, don't, you know, scale back the volume and intensity of it. But still be active. Just that's that's the style of movement you'd recommend. Yes Yes, but I would put I would put the I would put the functional medicine though at the core of everything that you're doing

Starting point is 01:36:30 So if they say we want you to stop everything right now, I would listen to them. Yeah, sure. I'm happy to do that Okay, all right, Ben. Thanks for calling in man. Yeah, thanks. Yeah, guys. No problem Yeah, that's a that's a tough one But I you could tell after, you could see through his energy and stuff as he's talking. That's why I told him the recipe. He's frustrated.

Starting point is 01:36:50 That's why I was trying to tell him the ref're. Well, I could just also see that his body seems fatigued. You know, and he's talking about shoulder pain and shoulder pain, the back pain, and this. I'm like, oh, your body's not adapting well. There's something. It's just screaming at you. It's just screaming at you from all angles,

Starting point is 01:37:03 and it's less about all those areas, and it's more about what's going on inside. Yeah, I mean, it pressures the hinges at that point. These are the guys that end up these guys and girls that make incredible coaches. That's true. You know, because they went through so much trying to solve all these problems. And then and then when they do, I mean, they have an ability to communicate at a even deeper level than I can communicate this information to them because he's gone through this journey and there's a lot of people that do this. That just, they think it's the shoulder, they think it's this and there's this underlining issue that they're not at risk.

Starting point is 01:37:36 When I had my worst gut issues, I had to devote a year, a year to solving that issue. And that meant I didn't train the way I used to like to train that meant I couldn't eat the way I like to eat. But after that year, it was like, I got back to normal. Now, I could have ignored it and pushed and cut the volume down and tried to do all this stuff. And it would have just, it would have never fixed itself. So you got to get the root to the root cause.

Starting point is 01:38:00 And if you're noticing chronic compiling issues, then it may not be the shoulder, it may not be the hip, it may not be the knee, and maybe something deeper that's preventing your body from being able to adapt. Well, I remember how hard it was in that environment of like being a bartender, to get adequate sleep. It's just kind of stress- I bring. So it's like, you know, maybe a product of the environment

Starting point is 01:38:22 on top of other things. So yeah, it just has to get down to what's really causing it all. Look, if you like Mind Pump, head over to MindPumpFree.com and check out our guides. We have free guides on that. It can help you with almost any health or fitness. Well, you can also find all of us on social media. So Justin is on Instagram at Mind Pump. Justin Adam is also on Instagram at Mind Pump.

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Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1914: Ways to Overcome Shoulder Pain When Benching, the Truth About Fasting for Weight Loss, What to Do When You Keep Getting Injured & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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