Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1916: How to Add Size to Stubborn Legs, Ways to Avoid an Afternoon Energy Crash, the Pros & Cons of Fasting & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: October 5, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach three Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Are you feeling sad, depressed, or down? Well, studies show diet can have a PROFOUND effect on depression. (2:29) Do ‘hot’ women not get cold? (22:15) Busting the myths surrounding the safety of testosterone replacement therapy. (25:06) Is ‘memetic magic’ a thing? (30:45) Prioritizing the shifting of male and female roles. (35:42) Pumpkin Spice Gold Juice is back from Organifi! (46:49) Butcher Box’s surf and turf deal! (47:56) When Justin’s Star Wars knowledge gets tested. (49:29) #ListenerLive question #1 - Which MAPS program or workout modifications would you recommend to someone who is focused on growing size and strength in their legs, particularly to improve their squat? (51:56) #ListenerLive question #2 - Any suggestions on ways to avoid an afternoon energy crash? (1:05:02) #ListenerLive question #3 - There are a lot of high-stress components in my life right now that I am managing relatively well, so would adding something like fasting hinder my stress management or improve it? (1:15:32) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout** Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer! October Promotion: MAPS Symmetry or MAPS Strong HALF OFF! **Promo code OCTOBER50 at checkout** The effect of a Mediterranean diet on the symptoms of depression in young males (the “AMMEND: A Mediterranean Diet in MEN with Depression” study): a randomized controlled trial Tom Brady shares the mantra that motivated him during the Patriots’ last Super Bowl run Maybe so, Maybe not. We’ll see. When looking 'hot' means not feeling cold: Evidence that self-objectification inhibits feelings of being cold New study finds testosterone replacement therapy does not increase heart risk MP Hormones Mind Pump Hormones Facebook Private Forum Watch You Can't Kill Meme Streaming Online | Hulu Andor | Disney+ Originals Visit LivON Labs for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! MAPS Powerlift   The Resistance Training Revolution – Book by Sal Di Stefano Reverse Crunch Pull-Up Regression How To Do A Pull Up | Banded Pull Up Regression (TRY THIS) Is Fasting Effective? - Mind Pump Blog A Beginner's Guide To Intermittent Fasting – Mind Pump Blog Intermittent Fasting Guide | MAPS Fitness Products Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources

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relationships diet exercise sleep and then you could put. Oh, okay. I thought big three was relationship. I mean, if you look at the studies on exercise and depression, it has profound effects. Okay. Now it's now showing profound effects. I mean, you combine the two, it's like holy cow. Now when you say sleep is that if sleep is just madly disrupted, but if your sleep is relatively good, yes, that wouldn't make the top.

Yeah, like if you have a good diet, going from a good diet to another good diet, it's not gonna have an effect on you, right? But these were people who, you know, so if you're depressed and you have a good diet, going from a good diet to another good diet, it's not going to have an effect on you, right? But these were people who, you know, so if you're depressed and you have a bad diet, if you eat the standard American diet, you know, heavily process what it was that was in the studies that they, yeah, they're treating it too. Yeah, they all eat poorly. So the researchers put them on the Mediterranean diet, and it was controlled, and they watched them them and they saw significant improvements and at the end of the study the young men were like we like this and we want to stick with this diet that's

how great this is and you know the benefit the the value of this is the side effects are you get leaner you're healthier right unlike other pharmaceuticals or side effects can include things like sexual dysfunction weight gain other potential effects letgy, or hypomania, or whatever. That's not the case with diet. The side effects are all good stuff. And so, positive side effects. Exactly. And then the effects don't wear off.

With medications, often times you find that starts to happen. With the diet, I bet you if we continue to follow these young men, the ones that stuck to eating a healthier diet would notice better and better effects, is it? To have any of you battle with depression? Ooh. I mean, I've had periods of time that were challenging,

but I don't know if you would call that depression. I mean, only you can answer that. Yeah, you know. Do you think so or no? Battled with it? Probably not. Well, I mean, struggle with it, overcame it, dealt with it, period.

It doesn't have to be, you don't have to, it didn't even be crippling you. You may have ever felt depressed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. And so you have. Sure, from life circumstances, yeah. Yeah, sure. And can you recall that time in your life

and then what got you through it? Oh, and how long were you in it for? Oh, I mean, I mean,, I had somebody close to me die. I had an obviously I went through a divorce, which was really challenging. What helped me with people around me exercise and then consistency with my structure. So I didn't allow or I tried not to allow my structure day or my responsibilities to fall apart. So I tried to stay on task, which helped provide

kind of structure, but it got better because I think it was situational. You know, there's people with like chronic depression where it's not necessarily situational. You know, like everybody gets sad if someone dies, that's normal. But like, what if you're just sad? Yeah. And there's nothing really happened, you know, I think that's where it gets really challenging. I don't know. Yeah. I'll try to think about that. I think For me it was it's more like I didn't realize it but like looking back you're like, oh wow That's those are total signs of depression like for instance You know just always wanted to be in bed and sleep like sleep and excess amount of time

You know longer than you know I should have instead of getting up and like being productive and going hanging out with my friends, I'd isolate myself away from my friends and would just sleep. Was this one of the Spice Girls broke up? Here's the big sporty Spice, man. What was it that hit you? You know, it was just being away from my comfort of here with family friends and my entire environment here. Oh, it's when you left for college.

For a broken up, yeah. And then I was in like, I was just, you know, a lot of uncertainty out there for me and it was like freezing and like, you know, you start like piling on a lot to like whatever situation and that's tough that you're in and then, and then I just let it sort of spiral to the point where I was just like, it was starting to affect me physically,

but yeah, I had to just like, I had to just get out there, get as much sun, and you don't get as much sunlight as well during winter in Chicago. So yeah, I was just all a combination of all those things, but getting back into better food and relationships and like hanging out and like forcing myself to go, getting back into better food and relationships and like hanging out and like forcing myself to go like outside my comfort and hang out with people

that I didn't know, really kind of pulled me out of it. But yeah, that an exercise for. Adam, you said it was when you lost your house or first house, right? Yeah, but I can totally relate to what Justin said was a lot of that time site when I was in it I didn't know that's a good point. Yeah, I didn't know it because I Didn't want I didn't think of me as a person like that. I definitely was not ever someone was like feel sorry for himself

Had enough stuff that I went through in the past that I Didn't make that connection right away. I just I had a lot of the symptoms that Justin was describing where it's like, it just wanted to lay around. I love working out, I love motivation to work out. I love basketball, I love motivation to play basketball. I was in a negative mood. I was constantly replaying this like, I can't play. My, up at that point, so for the audience

that doesn't know this, like, I had built up this thing about, you know, coming from not much, right? As far as generational wealth or help or support financially, I didn't have much or any. And a huge goal of mine was to get to a place where I could buy my own home. And to me, when I was a young teenager, early teens, to me, that was as far as I could see, was like, that's the pinnacle for me. My family doesn't even own their own home.

If I could get a career and a job and save enough money to own my own home, that's the pinnacle. And I reached that relatively early. I was only 21 years old when that happened. And from 21 to 27-ish, I would say I was on top of the world. And then the big correction happened. And the part that was really hard for me, and why it was interesting why I went through the depression,

was because I chose to short sell it. I actually had a good job. I could afford to make the payments. But it was advised to me by my best friend at the time who was in the mortgage industry. He was telling me, we bought at the peak, you've got your house, I had pulled out one time and paid my car loans off, so then I pulled another $80,000 out of the house. I was upside down by over a hundred K at this time. And he says, listen, everybody's gonna be like,

everyone's gonna be losing their house. It's gonna be a slap on the wrist. It's gonna ding your credit, and then you'll rebuild it back. And that I just, I wrestled with that for months. I held on, said, no, no, no, I don't wanna do it. I don't wanna do it. And then the market just kept doing this. And so I was just watching myself lose equity

and then finally convinced my, and he had like had all the trick. I literally actually lived there, I don't know if I've ever shared this with you guys. I lived there for two years, mortgage free. So I stacked a ton of cash. It was the right decision to do that. Yeah, it messed my credit up

and that took me a good five, six years to like rebuild that and fix that. But the thing that happened that I didn't see was how the, because I had identified so much. There was such a big deal. Yeah, it was such a big deal to me. And I made it such a, something that isn't that big of a deal.

When I think about it now today, and where I've come now, I'm like, that means nothing, you know what I'm saying? It's not a big deal. A lot of people can have a house. It doesn't really mean that much, right? Sure, it was a big accomplishment for me in my life and so on and so on.

But I had identified so much with that. And I also identified with someone who was, I, at that point, I had never missed a payment. I'd never had a late fee, I'd never had bad credit. I've all, I had impeccable credit. When did you realize I hear like, oh shit, I was depressed. It wasn't until years later when I look back,

when I look back at that moment in my life that was, and it lasted for like six months of that feeling of just not being able to kind of get up and do shit, not feeling motivated to do the things that I love to do. I know there's like a clinical period of time, because there's like what they would consider normal healthy, like you're sad depressed, right? Like something happens, because there's like, there's like, what they would consider normal, healthy, like you're sad, depressed, right?

Like something happens. You lose your job, you lose a family member, a friend, relationship, whatever. And then there's like, it has to last a certain period of time for them to consider you clinically to press. I don't know what that number is, maybe Doug, you can look that up. Oh, I'm interested in that. Yeah, so because it's, it's, and now here's a challenge is that a lot of, we're led to believe that we're never supposed to be sad,

we're never supposed to be depressed. So any amount of depression is bad, this needs to get treated, but that's not true, it's normal, it's normal, you're supposed to be sad, if you lose your house, something you worked up towards, you're supposed to be, that's normal, right? I was supposed to be sad after losing somebody close to me, or going through divorce, or you went through Justin, right? That's normal. But then I was supposed to be sad after losing somebody close to me or going through divorce or you

went through Justin, right? That's normal. Right. But then there's a period of time and I don't know what they classified as, but once it goes past a certain period of time where, okay, this is like clinical depression. This is, I'm not going to... I think it has more to do with empathy and loving yourself, right? I actually wasn't sad.

I was like, I was angry and disappointed in myself. That wasn't sad. I wasn't like, oh, boohoo. I chose to walk away from the house. But what ate away at me was like, now I had this voice in my head like, you're not who you thought you were. Like you're just like your parents.

You're like that type of stuff. So I was beating myself up inside. And so there was a lot of probably anger and hate and resentment towards myself. And what really snapped me out, which is this is why I love, another reason why I'm so drawn to health and fitness is because it has a sneaky way of teaching you how to love yourself, right?

And to be empathetic and understanding and like, you ain't gonna grow unless you're uncomfortable. Let's be honest. Just the bottom line. Right. So, look at this. I did not know this. So, Doug brought up, I guess, a diagnosis of major depression,

depressive disorder means you have felt sad, low, or worthless, most days for at least two weeks. That's it. While also having other symptoms such as sleep problems, loss of interest in activities or changing appetite. Okay, name one person on earth. No, I feel like everybody falls in that category.

That's weird. I look, I'm not a doctor, so I want to see that. Well, that's why it's, that's crazy to me. No, I don't think so. I think, I mean, no. No, because that means you get treated. That's what I mean by that. Not saying that you, oh, that's what you mean by that.

Yeah, that's what I mean by clinging to the pressure. Like someone gives with a little bit of depression and we have a pill to throw it right. That's what I mean by clinging to the pressure. Yeah, no, no, no. I mean, you could call it whatever, how you want it. Yeah, no, I know what you mean by that. Yeah, that's what I mean by clinging with a little bit of depression and we have a pill to throw. That's what I mean by clinging with depression. Yeah, I mean, you could call it whatever the hell you want. Yeah, I know. I get what you're saying. I mean, that's wild. That's wild.

I mean, that's obviously it's a massive spectrum, right? You break up with your girlfriend when you're 15 years old. You're gonna be sad for two weeks, you know what I mean? Does that mean you gotta go get, I don't know, that's where it's wild to me. Well, yeah, I mean, it's to me and've been around, like, some parents that, like, their kids scrapes their knee, and then they give them, like, Advil and Tylenol right away. And it's like, they don't want them to experience the pain of it. And it's like, this is, I don't know, to me, it's like, it's character building.

Like, this is all part of the journey is, like, having to go through some of these tough moments and, you know, depression. Obviously, it's a tough place to be when you're sad and you don't feel like you want to get up and face it. But to just mask it, to me, I don't. And there's definitely times where you need it, obviously, to intervene. So I'm not blittling that. I'm with you.

I'm with you on that. I just think growth never happens when you're comfortable. It just doesn't work that way. There's no reason for you to grow. There's no reason for you to change unless you're super uncomfortable. And that's what those, because when you look back to those moments that were hard,

I bet you, I bet you, it was some of the biggest growth we all went through. What is that transporter for me? What's that great proverb? And I know I heard Tom Brady tell it before. I've heard it several times before. I think it's that great proverb? And I know I heard Tom Brady tell it before. I've heard it several times before. I think it's a Chinese proverb where, do you know this one where he tells the story about his son

who's supposed to go off to war? Oh, maybe you can find that, Doug. His son falls off the horse and then, and somebody goes like, oh my god, so sorry, and he says, maybe, or perhaps, perhaps, or something like that. I mean, that's such a great proverb. And I think that's really what moved me out of it eventually was, it actually ended up creating more opportunity.

I saved more money. It did end up benefiting me in the long run. Temporarily, I went through this period of time where there was depression. And it's like, and what it really taught me was a lesson that I had already knew before, which is that like it really does depend. And there is opportunity in every situation like that, and to reframe anything that I know. So if I am in my, so now, when I'm faced with these moments in my darkest

of times or biggest struggles that I've had since that period in my life, I always have this ability now to kind of reframe that situation and be like, oh, where's the opportunity here? That's what got me through the testosterone thing because that was the second time that I'd experienced anything that I would consider and that was more That was hormonally Which is depression now to me that was a new like it was uncontrollable the other one was controllable I if I had better disciplines I did this this this is like oh, it's kind of physiology Yeah, I'm physically feeling that way but but still, because I had gone through it before and I had a different attitude going into it,

I reframed it. And remember what happened, I told you guys, oh, here's a great opportunity. I'm gonna get back in basketball than I tore my Achilles. That's right. That's what you're like. Fuck, you know what I'm saying?

But actually, that's what I'm supposed to learn here. Take this away from me. Right, I got back into reading really big and heavy again, which of course is always benefit benefiting me when I do that. And so it was like, oh, I think this is the direction. No, this is not it. Oh, maybe here's an opportunity here for me. And so, had you find a Doug?

Yeah, and we found it. Can you read a Doug? Sure. It was a super long? It's a little long, but not too bad. It's worth it though, it's good. Okay, so it's a parable, Chinese parable. And he had one of his former, his horses run away, but one day later, the horse returned with 10 other horses.

So what started as an agricultural tragedy turned into a positive, the farmer now enjoyed abundance of riches thanks to his runaway horse. Later, the farmer's son falls off one of the horses and breaks his leg. The community originally treats the boys injuries as catastrophic, but then Chinese rulers started drafting young boys to go off into war. The boy was unable to serve because his leg was broken. The farmers, neighbors, changed their outlook and began to view the boys injury as a blessing, but the farmer who always kept a level outlook wouldn't go there. He just said, maybe. And this article doesn't really have the whole thing. Yeah, it's actually not a good way to tell it either.

So Andrew can do it for our YouTube audience. If you clip out of man in a arena, there's a clip, and you can probably find it on YouTube of Tom Brady. And he tells it from the perspective of the people saying like, oh my god, it's great. And then the farmer says depends. Yeah, the story I heard is like when the horse ran away, oh, that's a horrible thing happened. He said, well, maybe, maybe. And then the farmer says depends. Yeah, the story I heard is like when the horse ran away, oh, that's a horrible thing happened. He said, oh, maybe.

Maybe. And then the horse has come back and it's all of that's, that's, you know, great thing. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. And then the sun falls off, breaks his leg. Oh, that's a horrible thing. Well, maybe.

Yeah. And then, you know, it doesn't get drafted. So that's his attitude to the entire thing. That's how I've heard the, that's how I've heard it told to me before. And I think it's just a such a powerful story when you think about that because my life has been that way. And when I look back now and I reflect on the most challenging,

the darkest, the most depressing times, all the above, those have led to the most prosperous, best times, largest bits of growth, most successful times in my life. So right before, the worst is when it gets the best. And so now when those times, because they don't stop, they continue to happen in your life. It's inevitable. It's just the way it is.

Yeah, now I just, obviously much older and wiser. I come into a situation like that and I face it with the attitude of like, boy, this really sucks. In fact, this is one of the worst times ever, which means, hopefully on the other side of this, it's going to be one of the best times it's ever been. So I can't wait to make it through this bullshit because it's about to get good. You know, so I think that's so important when you're when you're faced in that. Well, I mean, that's in the, you know, from our perspective, right, as professionals, the fit healthy version of you is most likely going to withstand or more likely to withstand life's challenges, which are inevitable.

It'll be the most resilient version of you. Yeah, so, and then, you know, you asked me how, you know, what I did, because that was a long period for me, because there was a lot in between that too. And the death of someone close to me and the divorce happened within a few couple few years of each other, and there was more stuff in between that, right? So it was like a four-year period. It was really, really hard, but maintaining my structure, maintaining the stuff that I did during the day, going to work, maintaining my workouts, even though they weren't great workouts, I'm here, I'm here taking care of myself. It kept that structure and it kind of kept me

trudging forward, moving forward, moving forward. And looking back, it was growth that whole time. It sucks, it definitely sucks, but I think that's an important part of all of this. And again, this study shows, diet has a profound effect on this kind of stuff, exercise too. So think about the most challenging time in your life and then think about how you would handle that

being unhealthy and unfit versus how you would handle that healthy and fit and which version of you is most likely to handle, because the other side of this atom is when you're in these tough moments, sometimes you don't wanna face it and so what do you do? You numb yourself, you distract yourself and you put yourself deeper in the front. Well, there's the, you know, you point out like the, the fine line between what you were

doing and what, what you just said, which is like, there's this fine line of, uh, am I doing all this stuff because it's, it's particularly better in me help me work through this depression and improve it. Or am I doing it because it's distracting me from doing the internal work that I need to get done on this. And so, and that goes back to why I said that I think it has a lot to do with loving yourself, right? Like I had to forgive myself over that. And like, and then also remind myself, like,

that isn't who you are. Because you had a bad credit score for four years of your life. Like, that's not who I am. You know what's funny? I was just on a podcast where this guy interviewed me and he goes, you know, there was a quote and the resistance training revolution where it says, you know, exercise, not because you hate yourself,

but because you love yourself. And he goes, he goes, some people hear that and that doesn't make any sense. And he just said that, you gotta love yourself. And he goes, what does that mean? I said, it's not a feeling. It's not the feeling of love. That's right.

Yeah, you're not gonna sit there and be like, oh my God, I got this warm fuzzy feeling about myself because I just, always hugging yourself. Yeah, defaulted on this property, or I just lost my job, or I just, you know, because of my actions, I just, you know, destroyed this relationship, whatever.

That's not what that means. You're not gonna have this warm fuzzy feeling. It's action. It's okay, how do I love myself? Well, here's what I gotta do. This is what I would do if I love, this is what love looks like. It's hard truths, it's taking these actions.

It's not doing this, it's doing that. It's not the feeling. I wanna say that because I think sometimes people get confused and they're like, well, how can I love myself when I feel unhealthy or I don't feel good or I did all this terrible stuff? It's like, no, that's not the same. I mean, look, I love you guys through action. I don't always good or I did all this terrible stuff. It's like, no, that's not the same.

I mean, look, I love you guys through action. I don't always feel like I love you guys, right? But I do through action and that's what makes this partnership, you know, also work, you know, pretty well. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, I have something that's off note that I saw. One of you was talking about it. If you'd be very interested, hot chicks don't get cold. No, they don't. That sounds like a Chinese proverb.

This is what it is. This is a study I am interested in. Yes. So they did a study. So, okay. And this is how this article with those hilarious. We've all seen those girls walk into the club and then at night, it's freezing outside.

And dudes are covered up and chicks are wearing barely anything. How are they going in and out and what's going on, and this is crazy. Anyway, they did a study on this. And they found that women who were more obsessed, women who are more obsessed with their appearance and who dressed this particular way, more disconnected from their body's signals.

So they did feel cold, but they didn't feel cold. So they're disconnected from their body because they identified so strongly with their appearance. So they actually studied this. So what's interesting about that is you would think the reverse would be true. Because they're obsessed with their body. They're so obsessed with their body,

they would be hyper aware of its up and down of temperatures. But what you're saying is because of the obsession, it blunts their signal to re-house them. They're just disconnected. Yeah. They're just disconnected from, I'm going to pull up the article so I can read it. Maybe because they're so focused on what other people think about their appearance, that they're not as much aware of their own.

Maybe that's what they're, they're more concerned about other people think about their body than they are about how their own body is. Here's the quote from the study. We found that women who are more highly focused on their appearance show no relationship between how little clothing they're wearing and the reported feelings of being cold on a cold night out.

These findings suggest that to an extent, women self-objectify. They increasingly lose access to their own physical Experiences, so it's literally creating dysfunction. So what does that say about Katrina? She's cold all the time That's good maybe I was just sitting the same thing. They have a girl What does that mean? Do you be a little more obsessed with you? You're with some security. That's what that means.

Yeah, that means. I know. Isn't that funny? Yeah. Because I read the article, I'm like, those are my favorite studies when you go to the studies like that. Yeah. I mean, I do know that when you go to the clubs and you see these

go- They call it dressing basically nothing and then they're just, yeah, and it's freezing outside. I mean, this is even in Chicago where it was like, you get the windshield, all this. And they're just still rocking it, you know, go for it. I didn't think about that until literally you just set it right now.

So when I read the article, I was like, that's true. Cause I remember, I mean, I never really went out of law clubbing because I was married so young, but the few times I did, I remember I be with my jacket and I'm freezing and you're seeing these girls walk around. You're like, how are they? How are they able to do this right now? It's so cold outside.

Speaking of study, study came out on the safety and efficacy of TRT for health. Oh, yeah. So they did this really good study. It actually analyzed tremendous amounts of data and found that in hypo-gonadal men, so men with low testosterone, who took testosterone, okay, so this was medically used testosterone,

not like bodybuilders who use antibiotics or whatever for competition, but men who take testosterone, supervised by doctors, they found no increase in, because the thought in the past was, it's getting increased your heart attack risk, it's gonna increase your stroke risk, you're gonna get higher rates of prostate cancer,

right, that's always the, that was the propaganda or whatever. No, none of those were increased. In fact, there were decreases slight insignificant or statistically insignificant decreases in a lot of those things, meaning probably the same. So no increased risk of all those fears that we heard in the past by being on TRT. You know, when's the last time you looked at barcodes to see the growth of that space? I mean, we speculated more than a couple of years ago

on that, I mean, I think that's gonna be. Assume it definitely increased over the last few years. Oh, I mean, if it moves like, okay, so I compared it to the medical marijuana space. That's a great comparison. And, you know, if it's gonna be anything like that, it moves quick. And once, once thing, and this is how I remember,

like it started off with the few people that were willing to do it when it was a little gray and risky, and there's, you know, a handful of them here and there, and then all of a sudden, the support from studies start coming out, that start backing up, the benefits, and all the positive things about it, and then it just starts to pile on fast.

It's definitely still far removed from your general practitioner setting for hospital. It's always interesting to me how little, and how much they ask, but also they're just unaware of how to even address a lot of these hormone issues that are happening. Well, there was a lot of stigma as what it was. So it was legal to be prescribed for a while now. But there was a stigma because testosterone

is also a performance enhancing substance. So an athlete could take extra testosterone and compete at higher levels. There was also a lack of education in the general practitioners. Yes. Well, because it was scheduled and because it was a PED, doctors like,

I'm not touching the stuff. Definitely. Now, the funny thing is, they prescribe insulin a PED, doctors like, I'm not touching the stuff. Definitely. Now, the funny thing is, they prescribed insulin, they prescribed thyroid. Yeah, the eye. And those are far more potentially dangerous than testosterone.

Tostostromes, relatively safe hormone in comparison. So that's the iron of it. But what's happened is the way that society has viewed it. So it wasn't that long ago if a man said he took testosterone, it was kind of embarrassing, or what are your bodybuilder, or whatever, now it's like not a big deal. And not only that,

it's starting to get to the point where it's become like this, oh, it's cool. And it makes me feel good. And look, I look great. And all that kind of, it's just becoming kind of trendy. Yeah, so yeah, thanks, Trilogger.

Yeah, I don't want to get too far into the weeds with it. But I was listening to this guy who was like a rap for a pharmaceutical company, and he was talking about how we get information and stuff from our general practitioners. Well, there's been incentives to not have them defer out to like blood labs and all that, to like reduce the amount of numbers

because it costs the insurance companies, for them to even recommend that. And so because it's a big business and it's bottom line and every year, they have to show increase, they've applied methods to deter physicians from even recommending like major blood panels and things like that.

Interesting. Yeah, which is frustrating. Yeah. So it's like, yes, of course, they're not going to really dive into it because that takes a lot of investigation and detective. Well, what's interesting about it, we talked about depression earlier. A man with low testosterone is going to feel physiological depression. And if the doctor doesn't test his testosterone levels, which they may not, they may like, oh, you're sad, oh, you feel down, oh, you have low energy, oh, you're depressed, here's an SSRI.

When he just might have low testosterone. Not only that, but a guy who could have had pinched, potentially most his life ran at 900 to 1000, and now he's running at 450, which is still within range. Which is still within half. Yeah, with a dangerous range, where a general practitioner would never prescribe it, but this dude is running at half of what he is.

You absolutely can have those side effects symptoms. Yep. And I think that's where a lot of the general practitioners, at least my experience of talking to them about this years ago because you're right. There, I mean, if you were dangerously low, then a GP would send you to a specialist, you would get it done. But you would have to be dangerously low, then a GP would send you to a specialist, you would get it done. But you would have to be dangerously low for them to even consider that route where it's

completely changed now. Now it is, now they lean more on the feedback from the actual client of like, if you go to like an actual hormone specialist, now that's what they, they'll lean more on that than the actual numbers. I've learned enough from Dr. Ran and their team that it's like, you know, if you tell me, if you check, I forget what the number is for them. If you check like six of the 12 things on the list that of symptoms, but yet you still have 600 or what of that,

they would still consider bringing you up. Yeah, and they're submits around it too, where people think, well, if I go on it and try it, I thought this, if I go on and try it and then come off, now I'm screwed forever, that's not true. You'll go back to the, whatever you were before that. Whatever you were before, right?

So, if you, by the way, if this is something you're interested in, we work with a great facility, you go to mphormones.com, you can set up an appointment, do it with a doctor and make sure they're good doctors that, you know, work with this kind of stuff. That's all important. I had a bit of an update for Adam because of, remember, you used to call it Memeys when it was first like a big thing. You got to be like a long time listener. Yeah, Adam

used to call it Memeys. He's like, I posted this M the other day. And, you know, obviously this is like a new form thing that we saw kind of pop up. And I was watching this documentary that I think it was on Hulu, but they were, it was kind of going into like the QAnon, all this stuff. And like some of those like chat rooms and places where there's like kind of like hidden meaning messaging and like extreme stuff to kind of create chaos and stuff within the social fabric, the structure of everything that we're seeing and you know, you see this sort of on the dark side of social media and all this and

In terms of memes, you see a lot of attention that they get and all this and apparently, and I didn't even know this, but there were attributing some of this like memetic magic. So that mean, yeah, it's a thing. Like it's a practice that's like ancient or whatever is like being able to cast some kind of spell through imagery and some kind of spell through imagery and some kind of messaging on it to affect people. And there's always people that are like,

these dungeons and dragon-looking people that are totally into it. And this is all part of their... Remember when the internet was speaking? It's like dark magic that they're putting in. Remember when the internet was supposed to bring harmony and peace Oh, I know. I wish everybody yeah, and then now we have when I hear stuff like this

You I mean obviously this is the natural evolution of things right like you like you said like it comes out harmony Peace it's all good and then it gets flooded with everybody and then here comes the evil the bad is with that So like when you think 10 years from now, what do you see how this, and thinking optimistically, not like, oh my God, we're fucked, you know? Like it's, we're gonna figure this out, like we always do, I believe so. But how does that change the landscape of social media,

online presence, and is it possible? Because it's such a powerful, I kind of foresee this, like it has become one of the most powerful and the coolest tools mankind has ever invented. Oh, it's it's it's it's it's like the Gutenberg printing press times a billion. Okay, so to that point because of it, it's still in its infancy and we're so amazed by it and we're still addicted to it. But I actually think in like 15, 20 years from now, like, you know, we'll look at it as like, yeah, it's a great tool.

But it ain't that big of a deal anymore. Like I think social media and stuff like that, it's still not as peak, it's still gotta go through that phase or not. But if you fast forward far enough, like to like our kids, our age and so that, I thought a lot about this. I thought a lot about this.

I thought a lot about this. I feel like nobody's ever gonna get it right, you know, can see in the future like that. But like, especially how we communicate, it changes in such an interesting way. I'm like, I'm curious to speculate and see where you guys think about. Yeah. So I think a lot about this actually. And I think what you're, what you're sober or no, all all states. I remember as a kid when the internet first came out, I had these debates and arguments with my aunts and uncles and I'd sit down and go, you don't understand. Humans are going to have access to all the information of all of human history. How could I feel like I

could roleplay that conversation? When we know everything, we're going to have all the answers and everyone's going to work together and it's going to be amazing and they're like, that's not how it works. I'm like, yes, it is. And they were right, of course, because knowledge is not wisdom. So what I think is gonna happen is I think we're gonna go through the progression of what you would see with like a human. So you see a human become a toddler, then a teenager, then a young adult, middle age, and older person.

And I think what we're in right now is the teenager young adult stage where- Of social media and stuff. Yeah, just to internet. Okay. Like so much information. Everybody thinks they know everything. We're arguing about everything.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Eventually, I think- That's a good analogy. And I think eventually old wisdom is going to become popular. Okay, so I think you're starting to see that everybody's going to have to go and walk about. So I kind of think we're saying the same thing. Yeah, I really do.

So in 20 years from now, we'll be the internet will be the old wise man, and we'll use it for what it's good for. We'll dismiss it for bullshit, you know. And I think people are gonna value wisdom again. I think they're gonna value wisdom, old practices, old things, because we've gone through this process. Now the only fear I have is,

are we gonna make it to that point, or destroy ourselves? We will. We always do. We always do. We don't know that. Huh? You don't know that.

You don't know if we always have. No, it's true. Yeah, there's been catastrophes. That's a global catastrophes. And we've recreated our societies over and over again. I'm, you know, might be mad Max. Who knows? We're do.

I have a random question for you guys because you guys are more into this stuff, like anthropology and shit like that. Have we ever found, when we see the long bow men and we see when we dig up and we find these hunters and stuff like that, do we ever find like a female long bow men? Oh, no, okay, so there's definitely cases

where they find what seem to be female warriors and hunters. Yeah, cuz I it's not them It's it's usually the exception of the right right which is what I would I would I would think it would be like that right because I don't I think we were even even back then as dumb as we were all the way back then. I still think we would be wise enough which is Put our put ourselves here, okay? If we if we hunt and before we go out the hunt, I guarantee we all practice, right? We probably have targets and we practice practice. And if there was a chick who's fucking badass

and she's smoking everybody, bullseye, bullseye, to think that we would not be wise enough to bring her on the hunt, I for sure think that would happen. Yeah, no, I think it's the exception to the rule. It's just probably a smaller percentage of that. Okay, so if you go further back, the root of it is that men are expendable and women are not.

So a society lost 50% of its men, theoretically it could survive. If it lost 50% of its women, it's dead. Because a man can impregnate, I don't know how many women in nine months, a woman can have one baby. So evolutionarily speaking, it made sense that men evolved to take more risks,

to be physically stronger, to be the ones taking those types of risks, because we're the ones that are expendable, whereas women are not. So when you go to war and you're gonna lose half your people, you may be gonna send the women out, because then your society screwed, you're gonna send out all the dudes,

because half of them come back, but we're still cool. So that's kind of that's the driver. I would imagine too, there'd be a factor of women sort of escaping some of their societal pressures and things and the oppressive sort of, they wanna be a part of it, but it's not culturally acceptable in that society. So they run off and start. So they like, you know, they dress up as a man and then they, they,

like, Mulan, is am I saying like a Disney movie? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. You guys didn't watch Mulan? I think I have it. I don't remember that. Remember her, her, of course, they were doing a draft and her dad was old and he didn't have a male, like, he didn't have a son who could, so he had to go fight and he's old. So she pretended to be a boy,

so she could go fight. Oh, I didn't remember that. I didn't know that. Oh, I think that's what I imagined that happened. I mean, we're having this conversation in my house right now because the obviously with a Katrina one or something. No, no, no, I actually consider her more hunter-esque

of a female for the most part of relationship and we're at a point in a relationship where I think, and it's interesting for me because it's a changing phenomenon for me because I think I was very attracted to that for most of my life and now we're at a point in a life where I don't need her help slang anything with me. And so there's other things that I could, I need her help with that I find that she's better

at than I am. And so it's the kind of a little bit of shifting of roles in the household and the struggle of that because you've identified as this very power driven successful independent woman your whole life. And I'm sure Justin you've probably related this on this. I mean, you have you're married to one very similar who for most of her life had a great career and was a killer and so like that. And so it's a bit of this kind of, and what I was drawn to back to us in Honey, I said it's like, I'm sure there was,

I don't not think that you being a woman, you can't be a killer in business and do all this things at all. I've been for our entire relationship. It's just where we're at and our current relationship, it's less needed for where we're at. Where we were 10 years ago, it was huge. It was important, it was paramount. But where we're at now, it's not as important.

And really what we're looking at right now is that you and I both of these two hunters in this situation, then we also have some gathering and some other things that we need some help. It's, we may not be spending as much time doing it. We're both doing this like crazy, and it's like, I've already proven to you that I can hunt as well or better.

So why are we both doing that so much when you can probably pull back on some of that and spend more time in it? And then of course, that's a challenge. There's been a shift, yeah, bit. And I think roles kind of change a bit too based on circumstance and environment, you know, with without as well.

Right. And to like with even child development, like so, where we're at now with our kids, like even in terms of them, like having even less, I guess, like, Courtney, having a lot less impact in terms of like them listening and on the disciplinary side of things. And so this is one of those things where she's been struggling through and realizing that she has to pull me in a lot more. Now to really establish that firm

sort of boundaries and walls and things because they want to push back and they want to push hard, they don't want to listen to mom at all. And this is just really hard because it's fun. And you're just coming in as backup. Yeah, I'm just coming to support. But that needs to happen now.

Whereas before, it was like, she could sort of establish that. And it was not as much of an issue. The way I look at it is it's just, if you run a family, it's like running a business. It makes no sense for everybody to do everything. Or a sports team. Yeah, you just, and so look, it doesn't matter if the guy is, if the wife does a better job of earning

and the husband does a better job of managing all the other stuff, which is also very important. So it doesn't matter who's doing what, but it doesn't matter that it's more efficient to divide labor. Well, and, you know, just, it doesn't matter. And it's everything. Well, and it just ends point that I think of such an important point is that at different seasons

of your life, the, the priority shift in that way. Like, of course, that when we didn't have Max, it didn't, I mean, fucking, it wasn't as much. Yeah, grab, grab your bone arrow. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. All day.

I'm saying it's like, we ain't got nothing to worry about back home. So there was, there was different, and now the priorities has shifted. And then it's like, and, and and I and you're to your point I always use either the the the hunting gathering type of analogy or I use the sport like you know It's power forward center position versus a point guard. That's probably more effective with her It will of course

Yeah, yeah, and I do that to all time But why are we both fighting for the ball to run point? It's like it doesn't make sense It's like it doesn't make sense. It's like go dominate, et cetera. Go go dominate it that because that's what we need. That's what we need right now and trust that I can run point or vice versa, like to your point. That's some picks.

If you can handle the ball better than you can run point, that's fucking fine. That's a good ball, man. No, I mean, dividing labor just makes a lot of sense. And that doesn't necessarily mean it's clear cut, but I think if you run a household, it makes sense that, okay, I handle this thing, you handle that thing, I handle this thing, you handle that thing versus, let's all handle everything, because then ship slips through the fraction and then, oh, you're not doing it as well as I do and this and that,

no, no, no. Well, don't you guys feel like in the last 30 to 40 years, this has become more difficult and more households. Oh, yeah. I feel like I feel like the there's been so much and identity have been very convoluted. Right. I think and okay, rightfully so, I think like we always are, I think we were two extreme one direction.

I think we over corrected and now we're in the middle of figuring out, figuring it out. Yeah. There is some value to some of these natural things that we each are better at. It's not sexist. It's not a big deal. It's not like that. And there are always exceptions to the rule.

There's always someone in that household. What it was is in the past, the roles were, it made a lot of sense that, okay, one of us has to grab a spear, go hike for 15 miles, go kill this big animal, drag it back, one of us has to nurse the baby, make sense that it was the man that did this and the woman that, then what happens, we created a size where we're safe, where the jobs weren't so physically,

didn't require you to have so much physical strength or so much danger, where the jobs weren't so physically, didn't require you to have so much physical strength or so much danger, where women didn't necessarily have to, you know, be there to care for the baby, where the baby could be cared for by the father. So now the roles aren't so clear cut and you're just figuring it out. You have to, but I still agree that you have to divide the labor somehow. That's where it gets confusing, where everybody does everything. Now nobody does anything. Well, it also gets confusing. Where everybody does everything? Now nobody does anything.

Well, it also gets confusing. And part of the thing that I know she mentions that she was challenged with is that we also do this thing where we measure everything in dollars. And so a lot of people, such a disservice to people who raise children. I told her that. I said, when I just watched her go through with the party training, she gets full credit for that.

Like I literally had nothing to do with that. If I added any value, it was handling other things going on in our house, while she was all hands on decking that. And I'm like, you can't put a dollar amount on it. It's worth more than money. It's worth times more. It's your kid.

It's worth, I said all the money that I made in that entire week, what you just did in one week's time was worth 5X that. So you can't, you cannot say because all of a sudden now you've decided you're not going to be this hunter and contributing this dollar amount to the pot or whatever that that you're not adding more value. I, I, and I said, and this has changed for me until when, until I had a son until you became the mother of my son, I didn't look at it like that. I do look at it like that now. And I can honestly say that is completely shifty.

It's sad because I can't think of, in a household with children, I can't think of anything more important in that household than making sure that the kids are taking care of, raised, and cared for. Right? There's nothing more important. That's not as a lot of factors that go into that.

Including earning money. It's a safety. You know, in a home. But there's a whole generation, our generation. Our generation were kids that came all so school. That's also our legacy. That it's them, the things that you pass down and you give to them the way you raise them.

And we're gonna die. Okay, we're gonna die in the next 40 to 50 years. You don't raise your kids. And the only thing is gonna raise them. And the only bit of us that continues to go on an echo is through them Yeah, and if you do a real shitty job of Raising them and take care of them and teaching them those values that you've passed down from you the two of you into them Then you you just fucked your life. I can't tell me anything's more, money will come and go. The dollar's crashing. Like, we could stockpile that all day long.

I don't mean shit. If we can't pass down our morals, our values, our beliefs, like our family name to be us, to be good humans, to contribute to society. Like, if we can't do that part, then all this other shit doesn't even matter that much. So to think that that's not valued higher than the highest wage could ever pay.

It's crazy to say. And I don't trust anybody more than myself or my wife to raise my kids. That's a bottom line. And if you don't raise them, some things gonna raise them. We grew up in a generation where kids came home from school. Nobody was home.

This was a whole generation of kids. They had the key to the house. Yeah, and they just sit there and raise them with the television. And there was some nasty side effects of that, right? So I think it's real important. All right, let's talk about, you earlier I mentioned the Spice Girls,

which reminded me about pumpkin spice. Did you really say flavor? I did, remember I told Justin was depressed when the spice was over. Which was like, was there a ginger spice over the nose? I don't remind you, all the pumpkin spice stuff is out. It should have been a whole whole fact.

Wait, what is what I'm trying to tell you? Pumpkin spice. Oh, you said it with an M this time. You always say with an N bro. I think you guys all have that here. No, you said pumpkin. I guess you see it with a bro. There's an M in there.

Anyway, pumpkin spice, organified, gold juice is here. It's in season. It's delicious. By the way, are you guys doing the Christmas blend that I used to do back in the day, remember juice is here. It's in season. It's delicious. By the way, are you guys doing the Christmas blend that I used to do back in the day, remember that? I haven't started that yet. It was a red juice arrangement.

Yeah, it was something I did. You still have my credit for everything. No, no, I came up with a name. Oh, okay, you get credit too. I did the play, you know. Hey, listen, if you had that, it's like the Kermit blend or whatever, like back in, it was like golden green, right?

Golden green. Thank you very much. No, no, no, it golden green, right? Golden green. Yeah. Thank you very much. No, no, no, it's green juice, red juice mixed together, great energy producing, and it tastes great. It tastes great. So it's called the Christmas flick. It's green and red.

You know, you're talking about, I've just been doing the green. You're talking about our partners right now and I just saw something really cool with one of our partners. I saw that butcher box is now doing lobster, dude. Yeah, they're actually, they're giving it away for free. I don't know how much I'm gonna do. I'm gonna be giving it for free in each box right now, dude. It's, let's see, 10 ounces of New York strip steaks

and eight ounces of lobster claw and knuckle meat. Free, so it's serve and turf for free. Surf and turf. So if you sign up right now butcher box and you get your normal box, so you, you tell them what you want. You pay your fee for it and they'll throw in the New York strip stakes, 10 ounces of it and 8 ounces of the lobster meat in there for food.

I like that better than the bacon for free one. I know you guys are big bacon guys but I'd rather have that. Surf and turf. Surf and turf. Oh, that is such a great combination. Oh, hi. By the way, lobster, very anabolic fish to eat. High and cholesterol.

Oh yeah. Oh, high and cholesterol. Oh yeah. Is it considered a fish? Uh, crustaceans. It's a spider. It's a geospiter. Spacey spider, yeah. It's a yeah. Okay, I don't. It's not selling it now. Yeah. Good job, man. It's not a spider scorpion. Isn't it really a giant spider? That would have related to crab. Okay. They're relay. Oh, okay, you're right. I think the lobsters relate to the scorpion maybe?

All of them are. I think if you're allergic to shellfish, you can't eat scorpion or spider either, Doug. Yeah, because you imagine the scorpion. I know, every time I eat them, I feel funny. Oh, that would be scary. That, you know what, it reminds me of great movie,

shitty effects, because it was old. Remember Jason and the organotes? Yes. Remember when he fought the scorpion? Yeah. Oh, that's such a good. I mean, they redid that and it was not a bad movie. Come on.

I don't know. Are you watching your Star Wars yet? Oh, yeah. I found it. Yeah, I caught and or. Yes. Is it good? I haven't started it yet.

One episode's out so far. You know what I like about it is it's more of the human story. It's less about like, Jedi's and siths and, you know, this and that and the other. It's more just like, like he's struggling through the fact that like, oh, like, did I, did I just do something that's like a bit on the evil side, you know, can I justify this? So what's the story? The cause of the rebellion. What's the story about just the planet of Endor? It's the same guy, so you remember Rogue One?

Yeah. Yeah. So it remember Rogue one. Yeah, yeah So it's it's that that main leader I forget his name, but like he so they're doing kind of a backstory So please forgive me for not being ignorant on this But is that the planet that got destroyed when Princess Leah got was that her planet? Yeah, oh, so that's so that's the plan. They eventually shoot with the with the with the death star blows it up Yes, that's and or no no, no, no, it's not indoor. Okay. Well. Yeah, did I confuse you? Yeah, that's something you tell about Rogue one like when they blew that no, I'm talking about and or and or never got destroyed in them

Oh, did I just stumped just yeah? in the in them. Oh, did I just stumped just? Yeah, all you get brings. I can't wait rolling the Star Warsers. I'm so disappointed in you. So you play it with from Alder on. Oh, there you go. Ander on Alder on. Alder on.

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Hey, guys. Excuse me. Yeah, it's good to finally talk to you guys in person and not keep listening to you like I do pretty much every night. Well, I'll go ahead and just read my question and then give you guys some background information, which I think will be helpful. So my main question is which maps program or workout modifications would you recommend to someone who is focused on growing their leg size and strength, kind of with the secondary goal of improving their squad.

And so some background information about myself. So for the past eight years, I've been one of those types that's, I mean, really a fitness fanatic. And I still work out every day, but I used to chronically over train and under eat, and I was spending hours in the gym doing cardio and lifting weights while also training for marathons and triathons. But about four years ago, I was diagnosed with low testosterone and hypothyroidism. And so after playing my own doctor, I believe the reasons for my low hormones

was due from one like my high stress workouts and under eating and just my lifestyle in general, but then also from previous concussions that I've had in the past from boxing and from football. And so I found and worked with a coach, a nutritionist and a therapist for over a year and a half to try to make lifestyle changes to increase my hormone levels. And then that's also kind of around the time when I found you guys, which really helps solidify like some of the changes that I was making. But going through that process, I really didn't see much changes. So like my testosterone was originally at about 60 nanograms per deciliter and it increased

to 150. But talking with my coaches, we think probably my previous concussions are still playing a role and it's probably best that I go on medication. And so about five months ago, I started on TRT and also thyroid medication. And so I'm still working with different doctors to try to get the dose right and actually looking for for new doctors now. But after listening to you guys more and more, I want to really start changing my focus and continue to focus more on getting stronger and building muscle. So what that said, my next goal is to focus on increasing my leg size and strength, kind

of over the next three months. And so I just finished Maps in Obolic and I've actually started it a second time. And but this time what actually works better with my schedule is I've taken the foundational workouts and have kind of split them in half to where I kind of have like a legs last shoulder day and then kind of like more of an upper body day because really I kind of only have about 30 to 45 minutes each day to train and I really like just starting my day in the gym just having that that positive start to the day. And so like I was looking through your different programs and I wasn't sure kind

of which would be the best fit for me, kind of giving my background and goals. And then if you do have a recommendation, if there are modifications, say, changing some different exercises or things like that around, to really focus on building my like strength. Nick, are you still struggling with the under-eating? strength. Nick, are you still struggling with the under-eating? No, so actually, and so I'm continuing to work with a therapist, and so during that year and a half, I mean really just stopped running completely, kind of stopped all cardio, able to increase my calories from,

really, I was at 2,000, but up to 2,,600 and then saw like some pretty steady weight gain. But that at this point actually just started work and now that I'm a little bit more sedentary, I've found around 2 weighing about like 140 pounds and 27 years old. So I don't want to, I'm not going to, you're still working with a therapist. So I would continue taking their advice from the outside. It seems like you're still having some under-eating issues, but that's going to be for you and your therapist to kind of work out. If that doesn't get addressed, the best strength training program in the world is going to fail to really put the, what you're asking for, which is size and strength.

You're probably going to have to increase your calories more. However, I don't know your background. I'm not a therapist. I don't know what that, what that looks like for you. I don't know how that makes you feel. So I would continue working with the therapist and nutritionist and work on that. And as far as workout programs, concern,

maps and a ball is good, maps power lift would probably be the one. I would go to next because you're focused on squat strength and leg size and I mean power lift is the best program for that. So if you don't have that, I'll send that over to you. But I think you're doing all the right stuff. You're working with the right people. I like the fact that you're working with a therapist

because I think the root issue is going to be solved there. I really do. And it is a slow process. So I appreciate your honesty kind of explaining that. But math power lift will be the best program. But you're going to have to feed yourself to make that work too. So even though it's well programmed, So I appreciate your honesty, you know, kind of explaining that. But Maths PowerLif will be the best program, but you're gonna have to feed yourself to make that work too. So even though it's well programmed,

I don't know if it's gonna work. I don't know if anything will work well for you unless you really bring those calories up. But again, do it in a healthy way, meaning, I'm not talking about healthy physiologically, but healthy mentally for you. Because I've worked with people who have issues with under-eating and then they decided they want to go in the other direction and they

do this like well I'm gonna go from 2000 to 4000 calories and then and then and then they go back down to 2000 and they go back up to 4000 and and so continue working with the people you're working with let them know hey look I I want to put on more weight I want to gain more strength how should I do this with my nutrition because I need to eat more. Have you discussed that with them yet? Have you talked to them about this goal? Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

And yeah, that's what I mean, we're still working on, like increasing my calories, and like my weight is still really like the last three or four months has really just been steadily climbing. So I've started to see really good progress and then after finishing maps in a ball, the last three or four months has really just been steadily climbing. So I've started to see really good progress and then after finishing maps in a ball, I've saw a lot of strength gains, particularly in my upper body, and still some in my lower body, but not quite as much as I'd like.

I think just from just all those years of endurance training I kind of have that endurance strength in my legs, but not so much the size and strength I'd like. But I was, I guess, to follow up questions for Maps PowerLift, like one, are there modifications that you'd make to target the legs? And then two, do you have any recommendations for perhaps like splitting up the workouts into like smaller sessions just done more frequently.

I want to go back to what you said in regards to why maybe you think your legs aren't responding as much. It's actually more likely the nutrition thing. So I mean, just those are big muscles. They require more, more, more, more, more, more. They require more more building materials. Yeah, it needs more. It needs it needs more. And so you've probably seen a nice increase in the upper body because you've seen a nice slow gradual increase in your calories. And that's been enough to see a little bit of muscle pile on your upper body. And it's going to be easier to see that those are smaller muscles

to see major gains in the in the legs, you're going to have seen probably a bigger increase in calorie intake. So literally, it's going to go, but I really believe Sal's hitting it right on the head with this one. And it's, this is not a lack of your programming. And it's not a lack of you not already doing the right things. I think it's just in order to put some serious mass on your legs and size and strength, it's going to, it's going to have

to happen over time as you get, are able to eat more and more and more calories. And the, and the, the path to that is best answered by your therapist, not by us. Yeah. Thanks. I appreciate you saying that. I'm, that's 100%. I mean, you know, I could tell you to go up to 3000 calories. I don't know what that's gonna feel like for you.

And I don't know if that's healthy for you just psychologically. So I would go to the therapist and say, hey, here's what I wanna do. How do you think, because they know you, right? You've been working with them. How do you think I should do this? What is this gonna look like? Now as far as maps, powerlifts is concerned,

you don't need to modify that. That's, I believe a five day program if I'm not mistaken. So you'll be in the gym five days a week. There's nothing you powerlifts is concerned. You don't need to modify that. That's, I believe, a five day program if I'm not mistaken. So you'll be in the gym five days a week. There's nothing you need to add. It's very, I mean, it's, you know, deadlift and squat. There's two thirds of the program. It's a bench deadlift squat routine.

Now there's auxiliary work in there, but you're gonna gain, if your calories are good and you will gain size and lower body weight. Oh yeah, for sure. For sure. Okay. All right. Awesome. Yeah, thank you guys. I appreciate it. No problem. And you, for sure. Yeah, for sure. Okay. All right. Awesome. Well, yeah, thank

you guys. I appreciate it. No problem. You're on the right path, dude. Yeah, you are. Do you keep us posted? I'd love to hear how it how everything plays out for you. Well, thank you so much. And, yeah, just huge thank you for all the content. Everything you guys put out. Seriously, y'all have been a great help for myself. Kind of on this journey that I've been taking. Appreciate it, man. Thanks for calling in and thanks for being open. Thanks, Nick. Yeah, thank you all.

You got it. Yeah, I'm, you know, I like questions like that because it's good for coaches to hear what we just said. And I think there's a lot of people that don't realize there's a lot more people out there like that than you realize. There is an, look, I could give them the trainer answer, which is, oh, you're eating 23-hundred calories,

bring them up to 3,000 or 32-hundred. They're coming up, yeah. But I don't know what's going on, how that feels forming his mind, what his history is with that. I do know he's working with a therapist. He did talk about how he had under-eating issues and overtraining issues.

And that could be the wrong advice. His therapist may be like, okay, here's what we're gonna do, Nick, let's just see if we're gonna do, Nick. Let's just see if we can stay consistent to 2300 calories for a while. Before we start to bring you up, because I know when we bring you up, then you start to feel like it's too much

and you wanna cut it way back. You already did, you got up to 26 and you brought it down to 23 on a zone. So that sends a signal to me that says, you're gonna wanna work with them on this process because this is more, this can a nasty urgent issue. Yes, and I feel like Part of me was feeling like he was kind of looking for like a volume 100% yeah, 100% the athlete might when I heard him. That's why he stopped him

Like yeah, let me let me correct that doesn't want the answer to be the diet. Yeah, so I think yeah I think you guys nailed it without you the athlete always wants to hear the what else can I do? Yeah, you know what I don't want to hear that don't do this. Yeah, yeah, exactly so and and unfortunately we don't know The relationship there with the therapist and him and and what's been being coached on nutrition And so he he or she is is gonna be more right than we are in the situation That's the number one always defer to them and I will say this too for coaches And so he or she is is gonna be more right than we are in the situation. 100%. That's the number one. Always defer to them.

And I will say this too, for coaches, more often than not, when you get a male client who has issues with the under-eating because it's not as common as females, you tend to overlook it. And you tend to push them differently or more inappropriately. Oh, God.

There's probably more experience. 20, because, you know, like most majority of men won't even admit it. differently or more inappropriately. Oh God. You're one man. It's probably more extreme. Oh God. You're one man. It's probably more extreme because, you know, like, most majority of men won't even admit it. Yeah. 24, 25 year old me would have given him the answer to this. Just to be more.

Yeah. You're only 2300 calories. You're not seeing gain because that's what it is, but not knowing that he has this, you know, so, you know, kudos to him for her putting himself out there and sharing that because he also could have came on the stand podcast, which would be awful and asked us that same question. He did not set anything about that and then we would have went to the calories and advice, we was, oh, push it up to 29, bro.

You'll be fine. I mean, we would have said that. Although I would say this, had he not told us that he was, and this is just an experience thing, had he not said he was working with a therapist and he had issues with under reading, I would have either a guest or I would have asked them, like, are you a super fast metabolism?

Because you're by looking at him. Or b, no, I'm not. Then I would have been like, oh, okay, you're probably not eating enough. Because, you know, he said his weight, I don't remember what he said. 140 pounds. And I mean, it would have been one of the other, you know,

especially if you're strength training, trying to put on size and strength. Yeah, yeah. Our next color is a nano from Korea. Anano, how can we help you? Hi guys. First of all, I want to apologize if I sound too bubbly. I am having a little stand-girl moment right now. I'm so excited to find out what it's up to you.

So I recently in the start of September, I purchased Skinny Guy Banzo, finally, and I'm doing Max Anabolic. And even though I've been consistent with my training since 2014, I still started with the pre-phase. Before I was doing that, I did a few workouts from Hall's book about resistance training. And after that, I did those five, three days you gave up on the YouTube for the first five days for anabolic, for about a month. And then finally when I got the whole program, I started with the preface.

Now I'm in the third week of pre-phase and been doing as consistent with it as I can. But the problem that I noticed is that I'm kind of tired, but it's not like right away. So I get my workout in in the morning and I feel great after two hours. And then after two hours it just cuts like I'm like out of energy, super sleepy, super hungry and so on. So my schedule now is like I get my workouts in in the morning before work, then I have my part-time job, after part-time job I prepare for my thesis. part-time job. After part-time job I prepare for my thesis. So that's how I like this my schedule. And eating and sleep is really out of my hands because I live in a shared house with three and other people and they are really loud, still 3-4 a.m. in the morning. And I just did twice a day. And they before 12 p.m.

and after 9 p.m. because that's how I get to work. So like with casual, how can I save my workouts in so that I don't feel as tired throughout the day after them? Oh, that's a tough one. Okay. So it, first, do you have caffeine? Do you take caffeine, daily? No, not really, because I try to sip on water when I'm working. And before I use to drink sip on coffee, but since I swatched the water, I don't take any caffeine at all. Okay, good. I was wondering if you were having a caffeine crash. The other side would be a possible drop in blood sugar. What your first meal is after your workout, correct? Yes.

And what are you eating in that meal? Is it is it a fat protein meal? Is it a carbohydrate reach meal? What's in that? I switched with two breakfasts. Like one of the days I would eat chicken breast with rice and kimchi, kimchi is like that. He called Korean side dish.

And the other days I would switch it for hand toast. Depends on the time because I had to rush to work. If I had time to prepare chicken, I don't have that. Sorry. No problem. What time do you get the energy crash and then what time is the first meal? First meal is between 11 to 12, 11 a.m. to 12 p.m.

And when I talk, I set up for work. And I get this energy crash around 2 or 3 p.m. OK. At work. OK. Try making your first meal a higher protein, higher fat. like energy crash around two or three p.m. Okay. That's work. Okay. Try making your first meal a higher protein, higher fat, no carbohydrate meal, and see if that affects you any better.

Because you may be getting a rise in blood sugar and then a drop in blood sugar, which is typically characterized by this sudden crash of energy, this irritability, and cravings. And you mentioned the cravings in the crash of energy, this irritability and cravings. And you mentioned the cravings in the crash of energy. So I would start with a fat protein meal. So you can make the calories the same. In other words, I don't want you to eat less. I want you to make up the carbohydrates with fats and protein. So you have the same calories, but you're not getting the carbohydrates.

So you don't, you know, possibly get that spike and then drop in blood sugar. You may also just be in doing too much. I mean, you're working, you're studying and doing school stuff. And you're sleeping with people that are disrupting your sleep at home. And then you're also training and working out. And so you're doing a lot. I don't know how you schedule your current workouts, but maybe I would only lift, you know, one to two days a week full body

and I would choose the days that I feel most rested. So instead of being like, oh every Monday, Thursday, I'd lift, I would go, okay, my goal is to lift two days a week full body and I'm going to choose the days that I feel the best. Other days I'll be active, I'll walk, I'll do other things that promote movement and activity. I think that's always a good thing for us, but then as far as strength training lifting weights, I'm going to pick the days that I got the best rest the night before and I feel energized to lift. And I'm gonna lift that maybe once or twice a week and see I respond to, because it could just be, you got a lot going on.

But I mean, if they're up, if they're keeping you up till 3 a.m., you know, that's a big problem. That's a tough one to combat. Yeah, do you have ear plugs and an eye mask? Do you, are you able to kind of cancel out the noise? I can, because I tried ear plugs, but then I hear the silence and it even keeps me more up.

But one of the, there's only one person who is like super loud and she's moving out. So I think my sleeve will get better after she moves out. Well, the other thing you could do besides ear plugs, is noise. Yeah, white noise. You get a white noise machine. That tends to help people if it's noisy. So my wife can't wear ear plugs either

because same thing, she's like silence, which is kind of weird. So, and I thought, and now that I meet someone else, I know she's not making it up. So I guess it is a thing. Put ear plugs in. No, so I white noise machine could also help but I think the lack of sleep and A possible blood sugar crash would be my two my two top things that I would I would look at based off just what you're saying Okay, thank you so much

I have two more kind of questions. It's more about like workout technique and stuff. So in your program, you have hanging leg raises and plops, but on my group and my course super week to do any of those. So I listened to you guys's podcast, and I think Justin was giving some alternatives with the hanging bed that leg raises and to do reverse crunches and then progress. So that's how I've been like swapping them up,

but I don't know what to do with pull ups. I tried doing just dead hangs instead of pull ups, but I don't know like if it will work or what you'll do with pull ups. Do you have access to a pull down machine? Rubber bands. Rubber bands, I mean, even isometrically, if you do that, focus on the negatives, like at the top holding a first specific amount of time

and then slowly going down, that's gonna help build up strength. Yeah, so in other words, you get a bancher box so you can walk up to the bar so that you finish the pull up and then take your feet off the box and then try and hold yourself there for three to five seconds. That would be my isometric or lower yourself with control. Yeah, really. And that would be a wrap, right? And if you have a pull down machine, that's another thing you could do. You could just do pull downs and build up strength.

It's a similar, it's not the same, but it's similar enough to where you're going to reap some of the similar benefits. And then the last option would be getting bands that can support you, that you can put around your knee and above to the pull-up bar that will help pull you up and assist you. So those are all options. All right. Thank you. And one last question. It's about the order of the exercises. Sometimes if you're doing like, James, too pack, I cannot get the certain equipment. So is it okay if I do whatever is available and then go back to it

or is the order of the exercises is important? It's important, but it's not a game. It's not a, it doesn't break the program. In other words, it's okay if you've only got it 45 minutes and it's like I gotta get my workout, then it's okay to switch them around. But ideally, you would want to do them in order.

We run into this all time with busy gyms, so you just kind of have to be a little bit flexible. It is good to follow it in the certain sequence we have it just because of, what we're building up towards in the workout. But yeah, I mean, it's not going to kill the workout if you do it out of order. Yeah, thank you so much. And I wanted to start this with, I start my introduction with it, but I want to thank all your team, all mine Pumpkin for everything you do. You're like a light in the dark room for me and I'm really glad I found your podcast. Oh, wow.

Thank you so much. Listen, and can I give you something for free? I know you have the bundle. So is Oh wow thank you so much. Listen and can I give you something for free? I know you have the bundle. So is there any program you don't have that you would like for free? Basically I don't have anything except this kindergarten bundle because that was like I saved up to afford this so yeah it's just everything I have. You're so much. Yeah I'm going to send you a map symmetry okay. Thank you so much. Yeah no problem'm gonna send you a map symmetry. Okay. Yeah. Thank you so much. Yeah, no problem. And thank you so much for following the show. Appreciate it. Yeah. Thanks for calling. Thank you. You got it. Thank you. Bye.

What a sweetheart. I like her so much. Yeah. So sweet. Yeah. Boy, save your marriage, too. Huh? I know. I thought my wife made that up. So I don't like your place. It makes everything so silent. What makes me crazy? What the hell? You know? No, I've heard that before. You know, the energy crash thing is funny. It's, well, not funny. That's interesting, right?

You get, like, when you notice like a sudden dip where it's like, oh, it's typically, it's typically usually blood sugar related or your caffeine crash, right? Your AM caffeine just wore off. Right. And you get in the sudden crash. So there's always the two first places I look at, but that's tough too with the sleep. Yeah, it is tough.

And what she could be feeling from the workout, the two hour being energized, just cortisol. She's just getting a spike from that. And so it's giving her an artificial signal that she's feeling energized and good. And she's actually really feeling down and out. She just pushed herself through the workout. So she, and that might be because she's just doing overall too much,

too much stress, not enough sleep. And so it could be a whole host of different things. Our next caller is Elijah from Louisiana. Elijah, how can we help you? Thanks for calling in. Of course. Sorry, I got a lot flustered there. So I'll go straight to my question. It is about fasting. And I want to know if that is something that straight to my question. It is about fasting and I want to know if that is something that I should look into. It's one of the few things that I've never really bear mended with but I've always been curious about it and with some background I have a lot of stress on my plate right now. I'm

currently I have my own training business that I've been running for a few years there so I do like nutrition coaching and trading pretty much full-time but I'm currently, I have my own training business that I've been running for a few years there, so I do like nutrition coaching and trading pretty much full time, but I'm in nursing school as well to eventually become like an endocrinology nurse practitioner, which big shout out to you guys, a lot of the interviews that you guys do really kind of push me in that direction, so I'd love to have like a hormone clinic myself one day.

I also just recently got married and you know, we're still kind of having a reception in a couple weeks. So we have a lot of my plates and I'm also currently training for a strong man competition that my friend convinced me to do. I, because it's different than American Ninja Warrior, which I recently went on. So I'm just, you know, changing things up. I'm wondering if something like fasting

would be a little too much to add or maybe wait in order to add something to the experience with fasting, or if I should maybe try it out, and maybe it will even help me with mental clarity for school. You sound like you're pretty lazy. A lot of you. I don't like to work hard at all. I mean, I'm curious what the other guys are gonna say,

but there's lots of health benefits to long, long fast, I just came off of a three day fast, absolutely, I love doing this. I am not doing nearly as much as you're doing right now. And you have to understand that it is also a stress to do that, to not eat for three days is a stress. Now it creates a lot of positive benefits from it. The question that I would have is,

I don't, is it ideal for someone like you with everything you currently have on your plate? And are you missing out on so much by not doing it right now? I don't know, I probably wouldn't push you in this direction to do this because of everything you already have currently going. Yeah.

The benefits of fasting, the main benefits really are the, you know, for lack of a better term, the spiritual component, the detachment from food. Food is very important for us as humans. And that eating for a certain period of time can bring clarity, spiritual clarity, food relationship clarity. Now this isn't true for everyone.

If somebody, if you have an eating disorder or you have eating or disordered eating in your past, fasting may actually be terrible in that case, but in other cases it's great. But for athletic performance, for fitness, for fat loss, it doesn't, I mean, it maybe can provide some structure for some people, but there's no additional benefit. And if you're gonna do strong man training,

I think fasting is gonna be, it's gonna be counter. Yeah, it's gonna be counter to your goals, because you have to consume X amount of food and calories and proteins and it's gonna be difficult to do if you have to eat only in a six hour window or whatever you decide to do. So, unless you're trying to change your relationship to food or enhance your relationship to food, you want to go without, you want experience detachment, which by the way, you could fast

from a lot of things. It doesn't have to be food. It could be electronics, it could be sex, it could be alcohol, it could be a lot of different things. But if you want to experience that, then I would say fast. But according based on your goals and your schedule, it's not going to benefit any of those things. Yeah, I think fasting is beneficial,

but you need to create that space for it. It doesn't sound to me like there's a lot of opportunity for you to make that kind of space to really get into that awareness side of it, you to kind of make that kind of space to really get into that, you know, awareness side of it, that spiritual side of it, where you can remove yourself from all those other things you have on your plate and what's going on. So if that does come up down the road and you want to, you know, make that a priority, I think it'd be beneficial. It'd bring a lot of insight. And, you know, I love it for the introspective part of it,

and to be able to look at the habits that I'm used to and what draws me to food, and where all of those things sort of stack up on my daily schedule. But as far as it being something that you add into the mix of all these other, you know, training, heavy, you know, demands of work and school and all that, I just don't think it's a good time for that.

Yeah, if you were like, if you weren't doing strong man and you were just running your business and you're like, you know, I'd like to just see how my body reacts without food and then with food. And I'd like to see how I handle anxiety or how I handle certain things, how lunchtime I find I have to eat because I get irritable.

Well, what is that gonna be then when I don't eat and how am I gonna deal with those feelings? I think that's okay, but with what you're trying to do, especially with the strong man training, I don't think it's gonna be beneficial at all. By the way, those ninja turtles on the wall in the back. Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty

that's pretty rad that is awesome that's pretty rad yeah good deal but anyway I hope that answers your question can we give him like a strong man program just oh yeah let's give you we'll send him up strong do you have you have our any of our programs I have almost all of them I have maps strong I've kind of been breaking it up into like even 30 minute windows with the time that I have My my big goal with this strong man really is I have two goals which is just not get last And then don't hurt myself trying nothing to last. Oh the good goal. So yeah, that's a good first goal Yeah, the bar reasonable. Yeah, I'm because a lot of with fasting is I you know, I've never done it So I wanted to challenge myself so then eventually maybe I could coach clients through it

But I I Strict it getting my clients to Experiment with it just because I don't have a lot of experience. Well, that's well, that's it That's a bring this kid. Yeah, that's a whole different. That's a whole different point now I could see some value there now. I do see value in that especially if you just do like one one week It you know plant planted on a weekend. There you go You know that you have the like you obviously have a lot on your plate. And I'm sure that ebb and flows, right?

And probably there's more stressful weeks and other weeks and there's better weekends than not better than not good weekend. So find what you would consider a good weekend where you have the least amount on your play and say, hey, you know what, I'm going to do a 24 or 48 hour faster weekend. And you really are doing it for research purpose. I just, I want to know what, I'm gonna do a 24 or 48 hour faster weekend. There you go. And you really are doing it for research purpose. I just, I wanna see what it feels like. I wanna see if I have cravings more on the first day of the second day.

I wanna see what I find myself drawn to. I wanna see when I come out of it, how my body responds to certain foods and how I need, like, yeah, I think there's, now there's tremendous value as a coach who wants to have, wants to be able to communicate that better to his people that potentially could have a lot of value from fasting, that changes my answer completely. So now I'm pro.

That's exactly, yeah. I'm sorry. Is that working in a hyper-stress environment necessarily? I should be able to manage that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would, I think I like what Adam said. I would pick a weekend and do like a 48 hour fast,

just for research purposes, like a slow weekend where you're not doing much. And that way you can kind of see what it's like. Yep. Awesome. Thank you. And yeah, I ended up with, I know everyone does it, so I'm not gonna tell you guys how appreciative

for the podcast as a Adam. I'm not gonna say that. I do think you've made much better trainer, almost adding experience to my experience because of even bringing it back to the basis that you guys talked about. So I'm not gonna tell you guys how thankful I am for you. Bye.

Thanks for not doing that. I appreciate that. Thank you, I did. Have a good day. You got it. Yeah. You know, that's good. I'm glad people heard that because the answer was no

and then it became yeah. Yeah. It really depends. It depends a lot. I'm glad people heard that because the answer was no, and then it became, yeah. Yeah, it really depends. It depends a lot. It depends a lot. I don't like fasting for weight loss. I don't like fasting to get ripped, but for... And I don't even like, and I don't even really let necessarily like him do it

for the spiritual reasons where he's currently at. Yeah. Did you get strong emuls? You're all listening, but then you throw in something like, hey, I'm a coach. I coach lots of people. I mean, I listen to you guys. I hear that you guys talk about the benefits

of the spiritual side and the people that can really, really need it for the relationship with food. And so I already recommend it, but I've never really experienced it myself. I wanna be able to communicate it. Whoa, okay, total different thing. I'll take a bad week of training. I'll take off training for that week if you really,

so if you really want, that's such a priority now to me for my my career and being a better coach that I'll put the the strongman training for the week on the backburner say I'm going to take lifting off completely and I'm going to pick two days of the easiest days of my week and I'm going to fast for free. So just so because that those two days will provide so much more insight for him and the ability for him to communicate that it was coaches as tremendous value. Yeah, and by the way, we have a fasting guide if anyone's interested in just kind of the basics of different methods of fasting.

Right here. No, it's right here. Yeah, right here. Right here. Right here. Right here. But for those of you just listening, it's maps, fitnessproducts.com where you'll find that.

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