Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1929: The Relationship Between Building Strength & Fitness Success, How to Adjust Your Workouts When Stress is High, Getting Started With Strength Training After Age 60 & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: October 22, 2022

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: The BEST thing you can do to have a healthy brain is to have healthy muscles. (2:37) Addressing MAPS 15 Minutes controversy. (15:58) Hard muscles, soft faces. (20:32) Feedback from Adam’s call with Chris Naghibi. (23:25) Tom Vu, the OG of Masterminds? (27:45) Is the Beyond Meat hype over? (34:26) Michael Burry’s alarming warning for the markets. (35:37) Justin’s haunted house strikes again. (40:42) Why Sal appreciates Organifi even more. (46:21) RIP Nonno. (47:44) #ListenerLive question #1 - Is it normal for a front and back squat to be almost equal or is there an imbalance I should be working on? (55:08) #ListenerLive question #2 - How can I continue to tighten up/build my lower body throughout MAPS Anabolic? What tips do you have as I’m beginning this program? (1:07:12) #ListenerLive question #3 - What is the best workout program to supplement a high-stress lifestyle? (1:19:03) #ListenerLive question #4 - What approach or program would you recommend for someone in the advanced age population? (1:34:23) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Visit Caldera Lab for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code MINDPUMP at checkout** Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout** Special Promotion Launch MAPS 15 Minutes! Build an Amazing Body in Only 15 Minutes a Day (includes BONUS: Advanced workout ~20 minutes/day) + (Includes two eBooks ($74 value) The Power of Sleep & the Occlusion Training Guide) **Promo Code: 15SPECIAL for $20 OFF! October Promotion: MAPS Symmetry or MAPS Strong HALF OFF! **Promo code OCTOBER50 at checkout** Meta-analysis: Resistance Training Improves Cognition in Mild Cognitive Impairment The Resistance Training Revolution – Book by Sal Di Stefano Mind Pump #1920: The Best Foods To Build Muscle, Melt Fat & Fight Chronic Disease With Stan Efferding How Much Training is Necessary to Maintain Strength and Muscle? Mind Pump #1925: How To Build A Great Physique In 15 Minutes A Day Visit Vuori Clothing for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Beyond Meat to cut 19% of its workforce amid sales slump Michael Burry flags 'passive investing bubble' as market risk MIND PUMP LIVE Q&A W/ MAX LUGAVERE How To Do A Barbell Hip Thrust The RIGHT Way! (FIX THIS!!!) – Mind Pump TV MAPS Fitness Performance MAPS Starter Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Christopher M. Naghibi (@chrisnaghibi) Instagram Gary Vay-Ner-Chuk (@garyvee) Instagram Patrick Bet-David (@patrickbetdavid) Instagram

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Go to maps15minutes.com and then use the code 15Special for the discount and all the free giveaways. All right, here comes the show. Probably the best thing you could do to have a healthy brain is to have healthy muscles. In other words, healthy muscles equal healthy brain. I like that.

Yes. So cool study came out. It was an analysis of many studies, right? So I love this, right? When they look at lots of different studies and they look at what each of the studies say or whatever. Do you think that should be a standard, like as far as before you take like a

study and run with it and like, oh, this is this is fact or this is how we should we should we should go in this direction. Do you think that you need a made analysis first before we make critical decisions like that? What's your thought on that? Yeah, I would say generally speaking, that's one of the highest standards, right? So you'll have your gold standard, which is your double blind placebo controlled study, meaning in humans. Researchers, yeah, on humans, researchers plus participants don't know who's getting what, so everybody's blind to it.

Placebo controlled meaning one group gets nothing, so you can set the control group. You wanna have a large sample size and that's representative. So, you know, men, women, different ages. Like there's so, there's different levels of what you would consider. Yeah, that's a study we can really take to heart

or one that's maybe not so good or whatever. But then you have analysis of multiple studies where that's probably the highest standard where you're looking and seeing the most truth. And I do wanna say that this particular study looked at all these different studies, echoes what other studies have seen, observational studies have seen, other data kind of points to. But what it said was, essentially, they compared multiple forms of exercise. Okay, so cardiovascular exercise, walking, swimming, biking, strength training, and they looked at the results on cognitive health

in particular at preventing cognitive decline. And what they found was, by leaps and bounds, strength training is the best form of exercise to prevent cognitive decline. Now, I talked about this in the resistance training revolution. There was a study done out of Australia where they saw that strength training prevented the build up of beta amyloid plaques in the brain. Now we know that the beta amyloid plaques aren't what cause. We're now learning that's not what causes Alzheimer's

of dementia, but there is some kind of a connection as to maybe what's causing that may cause. But nonetheless, it's the only non-medical intervention really shown to do that. And there's a lot of theories as to why. And one of the prevailing ones, the one that I subscribe to is that what you find with people who have dementia and Alzheimer's and other types of cognitive impairments is two things. One, there's a very, very high connection between that and issues with blood sugar. So diabetes or insulin issues. And number two, when people do have cognitive impairment, they tend to get

improvements in cognitive performance when you put them on a ketogenic diet. Ketogenic diet means you eliminate carbohydrates completely, body runs off of ketones, and you tend to see this improvement in cognition. And the brain is, you know, it's a thirsty organ, and it does utilize glucose. And so this is why a lot of scientists, some scientists from researchers call Alzheimer's like type three diabetes. So what's this have to do with strain training? Your muscles are one of the ways you store glycogen.

Glycogen comes from sugar and carbohydrates. Your muscles are super insulin sensitive. So building muscle really improves your body's ability to utilize carbohydrates and to be sensitive to insulin. Would you would you say something like by building muscle, you're building these bigger reserve tanks? Absolutely. 100%. The liver is where you store them that we build the more reserve that you have, which in turn more protective. And you lose muscle and you become weak, you lose insulin sensitivity. You lose that

storage capacity for glycogen. So it's another study that shows that strength training for longevity purposes. Now it's not the only form of exercise and other forms of exercise. All of them have benefit. But what's funny to me is that strength training forever was kind of relegated to the bottom, the bottom of the list. Right. It's like doctors forever now, when they'd recommend you go work out for health, for longevity, it was everything else.

It was never strength. Strength is muscular for the most part. Turns out strength training is, in many cases, super, it's the best. And this one now is showing for cognitive, and you know what else is funny? What form of exercise was connected to being dumb? Yeah.

Strength training. Meat heads. So funny. It's so weird, right? So hilarious. So like, you wanna have a healthy brain, have healthy muscles. You have healthy muscles.

You're much more likely to have a healthy brain. Now to that point, and what's really interesting, and it's kind of cool that this came out, we're right in the middle of our launch of our Maps 15 program and what comes to mind to me when I think of research like this and reaching the general population is the way it will be communicated will be different than to your point about the meat heads, the dump like you got this you have this extreme level of fitness people that are the jacked hardcore fitness train for a beast mode, hour, hour and a half workouts.

Although there's tremendous benefit, health benefits for being building a strong lean body, I think when you see research like this, I think what is going to be more appealing to the average person is that you can get a lot of these cognitive benefits with very minimal effort in that direction. You hit the nail in the head so hard, it's not even funny. One of the hallmarks of strength training, one of the things that makes it so valuable is how little time you need to spend doing it to get this huge result. No other form of exercise will show health and longevity benefits that are exponentially larger than the time being spent. So they'll do studies. Well, they'll have somebody, there was

a recent one that we talked about in the podcast where people did one eccentric loaded movement a day on their biceps and they saw significant strength of muscle gain. Now, you're going to look like a bodybuilder or a Z-competer doing it. No, but for longevity purposes, literally, here's how I predict it's gonna be communicated. And I really hope we can save this clip because I love, nothing more. You guys know this.

I love telling people I told you stuff. We love future predicts. It's my most annoying trait, but I enjoy doing it. It's, they're gonna communicate this to people. Do one or two strength training movements a day. That's something I tell people. Because the benefits of strength training have nothing to do with the calories being burned

while you're doing it. It's all about the adaptation that it triggers and it really doesn't take much to cause those adaptations. So if somebody did, you know, like Math 15, right? You did 15 minutes a day. That's 105 minutes a week, right? So that's roughly two, 50 minute workouts a week if you were to devote to 15 minutes a day.

Even if you did 10 minutes a day, 10 minutes a 70 minutes, tell me one form of exercise where you do 70 minutes a week, that would reap all those tremendous benefits. So it's literally the form of exercise that I predict the medical community will promote more than any other.

We'll be out. Do they in this meta-analysis, do they define a healthy muscle? Like in terms of like it's strength, capacity, in terms of size, in terms of like lean mass versus fat mass with these individuals, what was sort of the determination there? It was, so I don't know what their specific parameters were.

I don't understand what you're asking. Cause he's talking about having a healthy muscle. Like what is that? Yeah, like what does that consist of in terms of like, because let's say somebody just does cardiovascular training all the time and they still have a real lean physique, but like you know might not have necessarily the size and capacity of like a bigger muscle.

So it's strength and muscle size, but I do wanna say this that like with all forms of performance, there's this like, this bell curve, right? Where a little bit, you'll get a little bit of results, then there's this like, this is where you get a lot of longevity results, but then when it gets extreme, you get diminishing returns So like it's like what we're gonna try to withstand right? Yeah, so it's like you know being strong and having good muscle shape and in some size or some good

muscle development is good Being a pro bodybuilder while you're probably gonna lose you're gonna get diminishing returns or being strong is good But devoting your life to squatting 500 pounds or six or or being strong is good, but devoting your life to squatting 500 pounds or six pounds so you're pushing the threshold of what you're comfortable with. Well, I mean, this argument that you're making right now is was kind of the motivation behind me moving in this 15 to 20 minute direction currently in my life. And I think I brought that up the other day when we launched the program. I was saying that, you know, I actually feel really good.

Some of the best I've ever found my life. By no means am I in the best aesthetic shape, but my focus is a little bit different. And so my thought process of like following this kind of real short workouts was, well, listen, what if my goal really wasn't to sculpt or shape myself to look a certain way and purely was kind of longevity focused, what would my training look like?

And that's when I started to do that. Now, the thing that was interesting to me that I was blown away longevity focused, what would my training look like? And that's when I started to do that. Now the thing that was interesting to me that I was blown away by was how much strength I was still maintaining and how much muscle I was still maintaining. That was the part that was really interesting. Now I speculated that I obviously have decades of consistent high volume training for a long time. And so I'm sure that is playing a factor

until why I feel it's so beneficial. Well, I'm so, okay, so here's what's, again, I have this to bring up to. There was a study that showed that talked about how much strength training was required to maintain, right? Because there's building and there's maintaining. And one of the, again, another, another great factor or characteristic of strength training is that in other forms of exercise don't offer this. That, you know,

if you build a certain amount of muscle and strength, it doesn't take a lot to keep it. Other forms of exercise, if you cut down, you'll lose a lot of performance, you'll lose a lot of health benefits at At some point, right? Yeah. With strength training, there was a study that showed that with... That was last year, right, the one seventh or something like that. Well, no, there's another one that showed that younger

lifters could maintain their muscle strength and size with one workout a week. For 32 weeks, the study went. 32 weeks, younger lifters. Now, they theorize that older lifters may need a little more to maintain muscle and strength. Also, it depends how extreme you are. So if you're like a body builder, probably going to lose muscle going down to once a week. But these were guys that worked out three days a week. So that's interesting because I feel the opposite. I feel that-

This is speculation, I agree with you. I think the older you get, the easier it is to keep. That's the same. Yeah, I think that- Or should I say the longer you had that muscle, the easier it is to keep? Yeah, like, because I remember in my early 20s, having these bouts of, say, weeks in a row,

maybe even I've had some, I think, times in my life or maybe even won a couple months of inconsistent or not training. And I felt like I lost a lot of it and then trying to get it back, took a lot of work where I'm at now. I feel it takes very little to get myself back to what I would have considered in 25. It was great. What I worked really, really hard and consistently to build in my mid 20s, I feel like little effort towards training and some tightening up the diet and I can build that for the future.

You know, there's another factor there too, Adam, is that a lot of people when they stop working out or they work out less, their diet tends to change quite a bit. So there's that role that's being played. So like, oh, I'm not lifting weights. I'm gonna, my protein intake's gonna go down and stuff like that. So that'll kind of, you know, play a role.

But yeah, this is just another study that shows that once you build, cause I mean, God, I used to hate this question that I would get from new members. I thought it was so silly, but I get it. Like, you guys ever have new members come up to you and be like, yeah, but once I build it, what happens when I stop working out?

And I look at them like, what the hell is that? Obviously, you're gonna lose whatever. But I get it, right? I get what white people are saying that. Strength training, I mean, nothing's permanent, but it's one of the most permanent forms of exercise when it comes to certain results. What you'll lose, if you go from training four days a week

to one day a week, you'll keep a lot or most of the muscle and strength. What you'll lose is probably work capacity. You'll lose if you go from training four days a week to one day a week, you'll keep a lot or most of the muscle and strength. What you'll lose is probably work capacity. You'll lose some stamina. Like you go from one day a week back to four, you'll probably get sore. You'll probably not have as much stamina and endurance go real fast. Strength sticks around for a little while. So when you add all that up, like I'm telling you right now,

we're like maybe five to 10 years away from the medical community, literally being like, hey, do like two or three strengths on the exercise a day, that's what we want you to do. How easy that gonna be for the average person, by the way? They just wake up and do. So I know, it's funny, we just did an episode right on our new program, Maths 15, which is 15 minutes a day. And then what we did is we included an advanced version

because for some people, you know, 20, 25 minutes more appropriate, people who have been working on a long time, already starting controversy. And I knew this would happen. You would get all the hardcore lifters. No, you can't do that. That's not gonna do anything.

That's really where it's gonna come from, right? Yeah, everybody that's like, married to this idea that you have to be in the gym for an hour like every single day. And to reduce that down to what we're talking about, it's like blasphemy. Yeah, well, you know what it is. They've done more damage than good. Because of their... Okay, so I'll tell you guys some stories about when I first became a trainer that I know you guys are the same thing. I know this. When I first became a trainer, I must have talked so many people out of working out.

Because they needed to commit to. Yeah, because they come in and be like, I can only work out one day a week or no, I can't do that. And I'd be like, well, then, you know, and I, because my goal was to get everybody to work out every day. Yeah. And, you know, be all super dedicated fitness, fanatic like me. And so I would be like, well, you know, you should actually try and hype and motivate them.

You got to make more time. You make more time in the day for your health. You get more time to be a better parent. You'll be whatever time, you make more time, and the day for your health, you get more time, and be a better parent, you'll be whatever. Everybody has the same 24 hours a day at his whole speech, and I would end up talking people out of it, because they come in being like, you know, I'm just gonna do like one day a week to start,

and then after I told them all the shit, they'd be like, well, one day a week's not gonna do anything for me, I'm just not gonna do anything. So I think we've done more damage than good. So these meatheads and fitness fanatics that are debating this, it's like, listen, you're not helping anybody by the way. Look, I don't need to tell the fanatical fitness person. I don't need to convince them to work out 20 minutes a day.

They're gonna do more than they need to. They need to ever get to do anyways. Yeah, in fact, I need to convince them in not over training so much. I'm talking to the average person who follows this pattern of- You're talking about the other 85% of the world. Or more, the majority, bro.

No, I've always, I mean, we've said this since the beginning that that was the, you know, the bone we had to pick with the fitness space was just that, you know, we've been communicating to ourselves for so long, you know, all fighting over the latest studies and who's on the, who's on the most recent cutting at a shit. Meanwhile, losing a majority of the population because the majority of the people don't think that's for them. They don't, they see that. And there's, there's a, there is a

sliver of people that see that and aspire and wish they could be that way. But there's actually a big precision people like, I don't fucking want that. Most, I don't want that line. Think about that shift of a lifestyle, all they see is like, they're so dedicated that they are literally in there like six, seven days a week, you know, for all this time, and their goal is to increase that amount of time, increase the amount of load, increase the volume, like everything is just like this

trajectory of like a good, Jillian more things to add onto the list It's so it's to your average person. They're like oh my god. I'm already doing a lot I don't want to add all this other stuff. No, no, what is the average person want? This is what the average person wants they want to feel better move better They want to be generally lean, you know, I know everybody like I want a six pack Like most people don't want a six pack. They most people't want a six pack. Most people just want to look filthy. Most people don't want to look like bodybuilders or whatever.

Most people don't want exercise to be their life. They want exercise to compliment their life. What if I told you, you only had to work out 15 years from getting a six pack. You know, people won't take the pill. That's it. I want this. Yeah, so it's hilarious to me.

And we are, look, we're failing. We are failing. You're fitness industry. You suck at selling this to the average person. You guys keep talking to each other. A bunch of fitness fanatics in a circle, Joe, talking about how great you guys are, how hard core you are. Meanwhile,

obesity is increasing. And here's what's even fun. The people that do try to exercise the average person, what percentage of them actually pick up strength training, even smaller percentage. Why? Because we did a shitty job selling it. So, you know, that's the, and the truth is, is the opposite of what people think. Literally, a little bit goes a long way, gets your faster metabolism, better insulin sensitivity, improves your cognitive health, or at least, at the very least, is it? Efficiency should be the goal, right?

Totally. To do what is just necessary to get the results, and then free yourself up to do everything else. Protective against the sedatory lifestyle. You can sit down most your life, this be honest. You know, like jobs are all sedatory. Like you have some muscle, that'll protect you. Yeah, it's funny.

So I have a funny story for our Caldera commercial today. So I'm talking to Katrina. This has actually just happened like maybe two, three days ago. Hey, Katrina gets this call from her old VP that used to work for JJ Albany. So Katrina used to work for a big construction company, largest construction companies in the Bay Area. And just a bunch of old rugged dudes,

she fit right into that group. I mean, you guys know her personality and stuff. And so they absolutely loved her. And they continue to still talk to her and check up on her. And she hadn't heard from this VP in quite some time. And he said at text, and he was like, oh my God, Adam's famous. She's like, what?

We just saw her. Yeah, so he's like, call me. It's like she calls him and stuff like that. Hey, how you doing? I've talked to you forever and they catch up. He's like, I don't know if he was watching TV or he was on his, on one of his, you know, iPads or phones or like that.

And I guess he got a caldera commercial. I guess he's into face-serim. I guess he's in the face there. I'm obviously like he got targeted. I thought that part was funny, which he told me that. Obviously he's in any construction. Yeah, I know he's a rugged construction guy, but he obviously cares about his skin

because he got targeted by Caldera somehow. But yeah, I guess the feed pops up in a hard, but I'm also, it was youthful. Yeah, it was our commercial. I think that we, Hard muscles saw face. Yeah, we did for them. He's like, Adam's famous and he looks amazing.

Did you see that they came out? Yeah. I'm listening. So we just got this, their ice serum. I haven't tried it yet. It's new thing for the eyes. Double y'all over that, right? Well, I mean, I've already used it.

Oh, you did already. Yeah. Yeah, Doug's eyes right now. I know. You might have used too much, Doug. You look like a baby right now. Yeah, going back. I'm actually excited to use it because I feel like

that's what around my eyes is where I noticed them. But when I look back at pictures and I compared to like, that's like the old, yeah, it happens to everybody. You get these little bags. I even notice that you guys notice like, like day to day it fluctuates. Like a good night's rest and like, Oh, yeah.

Like I can, I never noticed that before. Like this is new to me. This is like new in the last year or two. I like see like I can look 10 years older or younger by how I slept and how my feet, yeah, around my eyes looked. I never noticed that, you know what I'm saying? I'm never like, oh man, not so much.

I guarantee him to have like like just wrinkles, just right here. Just, yeah, but you'll look, you'll look distinguished though, you know what I mean, not so much. I guarantee him would have like, just wrinkles, just right here. Just, yeah, but you'll look, you'll look distinguished though, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, well, they're doing a good job, obviously. I like how they're putting us out, you know what I mean, on their commercial.

Yeah. It's good for our, our, uh, his exposure. Yeah. Well, this is now the second or the third one of, of the Ori one happened last time, Caldera. There was another one, where random people that are connected to Katrina and I have now made this connection like, oh my God,

mine pup is huge, because I see them on like a stupid ad. I'm like so funny to me. Oh that's what it was, it was a text message I got from Viori, somebody been like, oh my God, you guys are so big, I'm like believe it and work it, we were working with Viori like damn, you're five years ago. But because they put us out on ads now, random people are here.

Dude, speaking of you, what was that? IG live you did? Oh, with Chris. Yeah, he's his name. Niggieby. Niggieby. Yeah. Wow, great job.

Did you like it? What a great job. You're not going to smoke a mask. No, first off, if you sucked, I would be happy to tell you. I actually told Chris. Chris was a message of me. You didn't watch it. Did you watch it? I was, I hopped on and off I actually told Chris. Chris was messaging me. You didn't watch it, did you watch it? I was, I hopped on and off a bunch of times.

Oh, yeah, okay. You were gonna talk shit. Did you see me on there? No, I know better than you. I know, dude, if I'm like business, I can't pay this you fucks. I know you guys have to try and throw me off. I was totally trying to do that. Hey, people don't even know this.

Half the time I'll be on an interview because I do a lot of interviews. An Adam will be at the window over there. And he'll be flashing me his butt cheeks. Yeah, like that. Try and give me the crap. Yeah, so if I see your asses, Nade's pop up. I'm like,

I'm not even gonna pay attention. But Chris asked me my feedback. I said, you know, Sal said it was really good. I said he actually commenting, text me. I said, and we're very critical of each other. I guarantee if it was crappy, he'd be quick to tell me that it wasn't good, but yeah, it was a great conversation. There's a really good discussion. He does a great job. Obviously, this is his element.

You did a phenomenal job of asking great questions and communicating things. I think the average person would be interested in when it comes to financial health and the economy really valuable a lot of valuable takeaway I think sometimes when you listen to Finance podcast or stuff like that it gets it gets to a point where it's a little it's not high levels the wrong word It's communicated away with the average person's like, huh? You lose me. Yeah, you lost me or I'm not interested boring It was really good. So that was my desired outcome. And for content creators, you know, out there, like, you know, this is like a page out of the, you know, Gary Vee is really good at this Patrick, but David's really good at this. You know, this is a conversation I'm having

anyways. And so this is what really inspired me to do. It's like, you know what, I'm so into that conversation. I'm, I have friends in that space that I respect and look up to that I'm so into that conversation. I have friends in that space that I respect and look up to that I'm calling them anyways and going, hey, this is what we're thinking about doing. We're thinking about saving this or investing this or pulling out or what do you think that? And so I'm already having these dynamic conversations anyways, I thought, you know what,

here's a cool way potentially to add value to our audience that maybe they would get the same value I feel I'm getting at it. So you're gonna do this somewhat regularly? So we're gonna start it by weekly right now. So I'm gonna do it again in another, so by the time this air is another week or so, it'll come out, it'll be on Friday afternoon, I will leave it live for 24 hours and then I'll pull it down.

And the reason for that is people, oh, it was leave it at the fair, one, I don't want it on my wall. My wall's for me and my pictures and my family and stuff. So I don't want, it's a business thing. I'm gonna put it up there. And it's, if it continues to do as well as it did and it grows, then it may turn into something. You know, maybe we turn it into...

And we should have him on the show. Yeah. He's really, really good at communicating. He'd love that. Some of that stuff. Super smart guy, but he does it. He communicates it in a very, very good way. What's so important? Do you know that? Do you smart guy, but he does it. He communicates it in a very, very good way. Which is so important.

Do you know that? I do know how, you know, he got inspired by what we did in the fitness space, right? So he found us like six years ago. I don't know that. Oh yeah, you didn't know that. So he's been, he's been following us since shreds days. Yeah.

So he's been following us since almost a very, very beginning. And we inspired him to build his platform. Oh, wow. So he's not monetizing anything he's doing. He does well in the banking and real estate. He's got all kinds of stuff going on. He's a lawyer, so he's got a great bat. He's already fine financially.

So he didn't build it to try and make money off it. What he wanted to do was disrupt the financial space because there's a lot of grifters. There's a lot of guys out there that are that have got a lot of fame from being, you know, whatever, giving out advice, and they're making money off of people and a lot of the advice they give, you know, lines their pockets.

And so he's inspired to disrupt that. You know, it's funny as I, you know, as I think about it, because you know, one thing I always say is that the fitness space or the health space, right? You can put weight loss in there, is like 98% just bullshit, terrible information. The make money space has the health space, right? You can put weight loss in there. Is like 98% just bullshit, terrible information. The make-money space has gotta be as bad or worse.

That's how we can, most charlatans. We connected on our mutual disgust for masterminds. That was like our thing. That was the thing that we kind of originally hit it off on because we both just can't stand that because it's such low-hanging fruit. And I know there's somebody out there who's like, and listen, I can sell you a mastermind too. I can also sell you on how I see the value. Right? There's something to be said about getting in the room, about getting, gaining access to people

that have already failed a hundred times ahead of you and you can learn from them. I'm not. So I understand that. The part that has never sat well, I think, with any of us, is that you know that the success rate of entrepreneurship is less than 20%. So when you fill these rooms up with a thousand people paying you thousands of dollars, you know there is only a small margin, very, very small margin of people. And by the way, that small margin of people that were going to be sensible, arguably would have been successful regardless of they showed up to your fucking event,

which is why they highlight individuals instead of saying a percentage. You'll never hear a mastermind go like this. 10 out of, 10 out of 15 people that come through our mastermind. Let's say John here. Here's John, John is a millionaire now because we helped him out. And it's like, well, John was gonna be a fucking billionaires. And we tied him out of Creed his own mastermind.

It's infractions off to his mastermind. And his guys got a mastermind. Listen, I was a 15 year old kid. I'd been working for a year at this point, saving my money, stay up late, watch late night television. What comes on? How do you know those, you know,

get, how to make money, you know, infomercials. And I bought like three of them. I bought, there was Don LaPrie was one, that small ads and newspapers, I don't know if Doug remembers this guy. Then there was another guy named Tom Voo, he was, I think he was Vee. I never Tom Voo that, on the boats.

On the boats, that's a little hot gesture. Yeah, dude, who the Tom Voo, have you seen Tom Voo's best pro? Oh my God, I killed him, you, that's a, what a, he, be like me, Tom me Tom Boo beautiful women. Oh Good throwback. Yeah, he look at me gold chain You don't know nothing about the you know pull this up. You got pull up Tom I don't know if you'll find it. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, oh, yes

You know I bet you old old clips are Tom. Boo on YouTube will be up here that I bought his shit someone else's and I Realized like this was I early early days. I realize this the way that these guys made their money is teaching people how to make money. They didn't make money before. That's right. It's easier. Full of shit. Yeah. That's after the third one.

You know what? I'm so glad you brought him up because this is, this is, you went to jail by the way. This is old, this has been around forever. No, it's just, it's just right now it's crazy on social media because how quickly you can rise to fame on social media and how quickly you can rise to fame on social media and how quickly you can apparently or appear to rise right right so you have you have these people front and yeah and then they then they teach people how to make that money and what and then what's crazy is they were they were they're gonna there is no tongue-boone is babes

right I felt for that shit I was poor no look at look at me. That's for me. Okay, would you say he's the OG of doing that? No. Who did a awful Wall Street guy? What was his name again? Oh, no, but he did. He's old or not. He's old in that.

Oh, yeah, this is what, this is like 80s. Bro, Tom Voo, he would say shit like like, look at me. I used to be poor. Now look, beautiful women. Yeah. Lots of, who did it before? I used to take a potato every night. You know, he'd say shit like that. Yeah, what? Yes. Who did it before? IE's, Stake and Potato, every night. He'd say shit like that.

I feel like, what? Oh my God. Who did it before him? Do you know Doug? I don't know. Bro, this has been around forever. But he's one of the O.G. And he would do the same thing.

He'd have people who apparently made all their money because of him. And they'd show a picture of their, believe it, it's commercial. He's there he is on a yacht. He was Dan Buzerim before Dan. He's got five girls in bikini surrounding him. You know, it's funny, it's funny bringing us up

because I was having a conversation with my sister and a law recently and she's doing content too because she's an attorney to be able to kind of repurpose it in cell ways to like, you know, for divorce secrets kind of thing. And, you know, she's going through and like looking at some of the people in the space that are selling a lot of this. And she's going through and looking at some of the people in the space that are selling a lot of this stuff. And she's like, there's this weird sense

that they're almost like talking to themselves. Is there presenting the material to everybody? And I'm like, yeah, that's exactly what I know, especially with motivational speakers. It's like they're just talking to themselves, to hype themselves up and in fronting like, you know, this is what got them success when they're just literally climbing up off of your money that's putting it there.

Do you remember, do you guys remember this annoyed the shatter me and I'm pretty sure I'm gonna, in a way, a bunch of people watching this right now, but that's fine. Do you guys remember that book, The Secret came out? Yeah. And everybody was talking about, if you just think about it and envision it. Yeah. And then it'll manifested. And then I remember what? Like, what the

f and it was like, Oh, bro, I was doing it. All these people were doing it. Like, I don't know if it works that way. Bro, I think you got to think about it. But think you got to put working. Go. That's all a Scientology stuff. And did you, you far, are you still following the Grant Cordon stuff that came out? Is there a new stuff out? No, yeah, I've been following it. Like he's came out and commented back on it. Yeah, why, did I share on the podcast?

He's defending himself. I don't think he ever shared on the podcast. Yeah, this was an off-air we talked about this, about how he was, how he's making his money, how he basically finds a property and tells his people that he's gathering all their money, right? Oh, I've got this incredible investment and he tells them a price that is inflated

from what he can actually get it out. So he automatically makes money. So he makes the cream off. And he's already got built in a percentage, I like 1% he makes. So the people, so I would give him, and I believe Lewis House is giving him money and some other people we know of giving him money.

So you give him, let's say we gave him $100,000 of our money, he in the contract says, I'm gonna charge you 1% for basically a finder's fee. Okay, that's fine because you're guaranteed. But he's making more than that because you're buying it off him. Yeah, he's making 1% off the price. He tells us and then he goes around and he gets it for a lower price. Now, what we don't know and what I don't know is how much of what he's doing is taking his approval. Is it proven that that's what happened?

Oh yeah. So it's 100%. That for sure is happening. What we don't know, and he's been in and out of court with all this stuff, is if it's technically illegal, and because in his contract, if the way he's structured it and worded it, that he could technically do that.

So that's the part where he may get off and it will be nobody deals because if he structured it correctly and covered his ass, which he probably did, I'm sure he had lawyers that help him put it together so that if it did go to court that they can't, because I watched the court case. So actually you can watch it on YouTube. There's, yeah, I'll share it with you guys.

There's clips of them trying to nail him down and you see the judges going up. Well, so here's what I find interesting with this some of the stuff, because be like, well, it's not illegal. If you base your morality off the laws, you're fucked. That's not how it works.

So there's a lot of stuff that's not illegal. Is it ethical? Is it ethical? Is it the way to do business? I don't know. That's the question. Speaking of rip offs and stuff like that, shocking news beyond meat is cutting a huge segment of workforce.

Oh, that was on my Instagram. Yes, so apparently, so you know, it's apparently, so hear me out guys, this is just, this is just a business lesson I just learned. Apparently if you take a product and then make a copy of that product, that's not the same and less healthy for you, and worse, you'll suck. And it doesn't last? Yeah, we're apparently.

Since you brought that up, I wanna bring up something that let me read it. So a fake burger, that doesn't quite taste as good as a burger, that's also less healthy. I saw. Not gonna make money. Somebody DM me, they were at the Tough Mudder and they're handing out like, Beyond Meat Jerky.

And I was like, Beyond Meat Jerky. Oh, we were tagged in that, I saw that. That is interesting. I was like, and they're excited. I'm like, look at the ingredient. How many ingredients do they have to use to be able to create something that's kind of that consistency in like me?

It's like, it's pretty crazy. It's weird. Yeah. And when this, that lot hype first happened and it was really based off of hype, we knew, we knew we said on the podcast, not gonna work huge failure. Yeah, stupid. So speaking of companies that suck, great, great transition. Do you guys remember, do you guys remember who Michael Burrius, who, no?

Yeah, you do. He's the guy who, you do. Watch, I guarantee you he'll know. I'll try to say this. He's the guy who, he, yes, he pretty good. He was the one who was famous. He shorted all the companies. And he made a fuck ton of money.

The movie was based off him. Absolutely. Okay, that's it. So, have you heard anything what he's been talking about right now? Like, he's, he's pulled everything out. Oh, that's nice. Okay. It makes me feel good.

So here's, here's something super interesting that I didn't know. And I actually, to give credit where it's due, I think I heard Patrick Bet David reference it first, and then I went and looked up his tweet and then looked up what he had said about it and the articles around it and thought, wow, this is super interesting

and I didn't even know this. So he tweeted out, this was just not that long ago last month. This morning there were still 218 primary stock listings in the United States with a market cap of over one billion and EBITDA less than negative 100 million. 29 of them had market caps over 10 billion, totaling 655 billion, saying it again all the still okay Meaning you've got over 200 companies that are

Supposed to be worth billions of dollars that are turning in numbers of being negative hundreds of millions of dollars So think about that for a second. That's a that's a skewed market Which you're waiting for a second. That's a that's a skewed market. Huge. Which you're waiting for a correction. Huge. To have to match. I didn't know that. I think that's that's super fascinating to me. You're billion dollar market caps. You have billion dollar companies that we all look up to and go, oh,

there were billions of dollars are amazing. They're like, they're impenetrable. They're amazing. Yet they're turning in negative hundred million dollar earnings for the year. That's crazy. Yeah. Is that not crazy? So in other words, they're alarming. In other words, we're not potentially bouncing along the bottom, but rather probably going to go down further, which is why he's pulled out completely. He pulled everything out. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. That sucks. I know. I know. I didn't know that.

I hadn't heard that before and had and I know, I know that. Okay, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad company, right? We have examples of companies like Netflix that ran in the red for years before it became profitable. There's plenty of companies that take companies. Yeah. But that's a bit alarming, right? I mean, I feel like, but those are anomalies.

Netflix is like, you're right. Yeah, when you're talking about 200 Plus company, you know what happens is we when we start to see new businesses or a new type of market this happened during the dot com crash to We investors start to think that the old rules don't apply. Oh, this is different. No, no, this is different This is tech that never existed before, or this is users, there's users, it's information, it's different, but the old rules always prove to be true no matter what with business. So maybe that's what's happening.

Maybe these are a lot of these tech companies with lots of promise. You know, like when they give, you know, I hate to keep hammering a tonal, but it's like tonal's valuation based off of this, that, and the other. We look at it and go, no, we know how. Potential.

Fitness users work and how it is going to look like. Well, I think this highlights it to your, and that's why I brought it up with the conversation around the staff cut, 14% by beyond meter, whatever. I mean, we're seeing this across the board on all the big companies, all the big companies. Facebook just said they put a hiring freeze, everybody's putting on, these companies haven't slowed down hiring since almost the existence. They began and now they're freezing that,

which tells you that they are forecasting a bumpy road ahead. So I don't think it's here yet. I think it's gonna get worse before it gets better in the next year to two years. We're gonna, and so during that conversation, if you heard me, like, I don't necessarily think we're going to see an O8 crash, but I think it's going to be just this, I think we're going to slowly see it go down and down and down

and down. And it's going to be, oh, and you might see these little, you know, not, not to, not to add fuel to this negative fire. No, crap, that is. Yeah, not to make everybody shit. Well, let me tell you the positive. It's reality. Let me tell you the positive spin about this actually.

This is when the best companies are built. Of course. This is when the most creative companies are built are in times like this. This is when wealth is created right now too. So the opportunities that will happen in the next year. So this would acquisition goes way up to in terms of like businesses acquiring other businesses. And you just wash out, you wash out malinvestment and smart people realize that things are on sale.

So what do I mean by that? Well after 2008, you know, I'm in the Bay Area here, right? So the housing market here is ridiculous, but after 2008, we had a big drop in home prices here too. And I remember after 2008, lots of investors came in and started buying up properties, knowing that everything's quote unquote on sale. And so they were just buying them up left and right, and they made a killing because in the market kind of rebounded. So, I will see.

Speaking of properties, I guess this is kind of weird transition, but like, so I was at the house by myself this weekend. And, um, So he looks so rested and, I feel great. Stress free, so great. It was a whole me time. Like, it was so much me time, I didn't know what to do. And so I was like watching TV,

and you guys know my history of the house, having like certain issues in terms of like Spiritual things and more haunting things and is there more ghost stuff? So there's one. Yeah, so Okay, so I sit on the couch and The dogs were with me and Courtney and the kids are gone and So I was just watching TV and I'll't hear this like bam on the front door and I was like what in the dogs just like got up real quick start barking running towards the door

and it literally sounded like somebody threw something heavy and just like slammed it into the door and I was like all kind of oh what the hell was that? Was that night daytime when I was like, oh, what the hell was that? Was it night, daytime, when night? Oh, is it nighttime? And I go out, nothing outside at all. I mean, I have a little bit of a decoration

that fell as a result. It was just this little door knockered skeleton thing that fell off the door, but not even close to the noise of what occurred. And so I was just like, that was really weird and whatever, no big deal. I'm going to kind of go back to watching my movie and just hope for the best. Just kind of like, you know, like, I move on. And then it just kept like getting at me.

I'm like, oh, like, that was so creepy. Like, what was that? Like, it's like, text Courtney, because we have that ring camera. Yeah. And like, maybe she caught something, you know? Oh, shit. On the ring camera. And so she was like, what?

Oh, so she checked it out and was like, I don't know, I was waiting. I'm like, what was it? And so it turns out, we have this dog, next door, that comes to hang out with our dogs all the time, just randomly. And he just like, be lined it to the front door, hit his paws on and knocked like all the decorations down and then just bolted and like left, really?

Yeah, for no reason. Bro, that's good. I'm scared to shit at him. So good that you had ring though Bro you got you got double dish by a dog He's laughing you like shit on the so random Like that would even cross my mind is that like that was that thing a dog came a bad guy Why do you do that dude and like he freaked everybody out?

So have you guys so have you guys noticed this this is a dad thing. This is such a dad thing I hope because maybe it's like everybody out. So have you guys, so have you guys noticed this? This is a dad thing. This is such a dad thing. I hope because maybe it's just me, but it's not just me. If I'm home and my kids are my, or my wife or everybody's home, and I hear a noise, I go into

aggressive protective mode. Fearless, whatever's there, and you're by yourself, you're by yourself is scared. When I'm by myself. No. It's a truth though. You don't gotta help. It's a truth. You're by yourself. You're by yourself. You're by yourself. You're by yourself.

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Like, yeah, talking to yourself, like, oh, they didn't happen. Yeah. I'm exaggerating something. You know, it wasn't that bad. What a weird feeling. The man is not funny. That is a weird feeling. If I'm by myself and I hear weird noises and shit,

I start to get scared. And I get things to go grab. Yeah, and you kind of weapon or nothing. No, just like just. Is that when you tex it us you want to come over. Yeah. Yeah. Can you sound this one? Hang out. Come over your house.

Quickly. Hey, how about our our experience on Friday? I've tried to do our first what's Riverside call. Oh, our our our distance pod chef. Yeah. You know, it's weird about that. Yeah. Well, it's weird about that is that the producer had the hardest time.

The guy who knows how to do this, the most that I'm the first one. I had my issues too. Yeah, yeah, salad, I were good. The one guy that was that for sure, I know you guys, if we put a bet, money in a hat, who would not figure this out? That would be me. Dude, I know you guys if we put a bet money in a hat. Yeah, who would not figure this out? That would be me. Dude, I heard it bro.

I heard it. I know. Yeah, this is how that goes. We could duck. Yeah. There's no stage. It's like no comment. It's like, it's like Doug showing us

that it worked out. You know what's the point? Yeah, it was funny about that. I totally motivated. I went and got a bunch of stuff to like stands and like all these things to try and like get myself really set up. That irritates me dude.

Like if I'm not like in a good place with technology, they get eats at me. And so, and then on top of that, I went and got a bunch of music stuff and was just down there like, getting loud and crazy. You would dud blow in some money this time. Yeah, I just, I don't know what,

I just, I got like this crazy spark. And I was like, I'm just gonna do it because I need some like creative juice. And it was like, I laughed and I was like, I had that like buyer's remorse, like immediately, but then I put it to action, and I was like, oh my God, it was so great, it was so much creativity. And now like everybody's back and I can't get laughing.

Good for you guys, I never hear either one of you guys blow up money. That was like the first time. You guys never, you guys never just go I still feel a little Well Doug came in today with this Louis Vuitton person That's nice, bro Lini

Doug is Lucy like that for sure I got I got to say this right So this happened again to me this week and had a rough weekend, I'll tell you guys, I'll tell the audience why in just a second, but I needed something to eat or whatever, and stressful stuff happens, I forget to eat or whatever. So I went into Whole Foods, grabbed just some plant protein that they had, plant protein is disgusting.

Always every time it tastes like grass clippings. I don't care how they flavor, it's terrible. It tastes like grass clippings. Yeah, I don't care how they flavor it. It's gross, which makes me appreciate or gain a fight even more. Well, I remember it was the big, it was one of the big selling parts. I don't know what they do to their plant protein. It's all their product.

All their products, dude. Yeah. All their products are fire. They take, they, they did such a good. But no artificial sweetener, either. I know, I know. They did such a good job of, making all their products taste good and they're end, and

it's good. Because of all the proteins you can buy, plant protein is almost always the most disgusting. Yeah, and you know, I mean a lot of them, I try have like heavy on the soy. There's a lot of soy in a lot of the other like ones I know. No, organically you soy. Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, I know they don't. No, which, which you know, there's controversy.

It's because, I mean, yeah, like, I just don't, I just prefer not to have it. If you, you know what, they even say for pregnant women, that soy is okay, but not to go too heavy on soy. It's like an excess. Because of the phytoestrogens, because there's potential that there could be a very mild

and weak yet, you know, estrogenic effect from the soy. Anyway, what happened, so this weekend, you know, maybe we have to edit this out, because I'll see if I can talk about it, but so my grandfather passed away this weekend, 91 years old, and really, really tough for, you know, thing for the family. He's, you know, you know, I talked about him,

turning 90 a year ago, and it was kind of a big deal. But anyway, you know, it makes you think a lot about certain things, and, you know, I talked about him turning 90 a year ago and it was kind of a big deal. But anyway, it makes you think a lot about certain things and it's really crazy. I was having this conversation with Jessica. So my grandfather, man, we're all together. So my whole family just convened together. We're all at my aunt's house. It was like at any given moment, 30, 40 people there

and we're gonna have people flying in from Italy, and Israel, we've got family, and Florida, Chicago, New York, so a lot of people are gonna be coming in. And, you know, we just start telling stories, typically what happens, if you ever lost somebody, usually the conversation starts to revolve around. Stories and stuff, and man, what a crazy life, you know. My grandfather, when he was a boy, so this is your mom's side, right?

My mom's dad. 11, maybe 11 years old, 12 years old. He, there was so poor that he used to hop on trains and Sicily, no ticket, so he got the sneak on trains. To go to other towns, to find ways to to make money to bring back to his mom. So he would be gone for two, three days. You're a young boy doing that kind of stuff. Then he gets married. He married my grandmother. He was 19. She was 16. They get married. She gets pregnant. And he again, the Sicily during that time was very, very, very, and they were poor and Sicily was very poor, especially.

So he went to Venezuela of all places, I think he, you know, he heard. Now, what's crazy about this, my cousin and I were talking about this, I couldn't imagine today with the technology that we have, Google, internet, you know, translating whatever, imagine going into the country, you don't speak anything, you don't know anybody.

Crazy, crazy. And you gotta figure it out. You just gotta figure it country, you don't speak anything, you don't know anybody. Crazy. And you gotta figure it out. You just gotta figure it out. You gotta hustle, right? So what he did, he took a bow, went to Venezuela, lived there for two years, slept on a dirt floor, and would send money back to my grandmother. Went back to Sicily, she got pregnant, had my mom,

could still couldn't find work. Again, it was back, went back to Venezuela, had my mom, could still couldn't find work. Again, it was that when back to Venezuela did it again, then had my grandmother come back on a ship and just figured out how to make his way in this country. And my grandfather, just a very unique, just a tough, unique individual, very loving to his grandkids. He was very proud, Sicilian, but he was even even more proud American. I remember, you know, I was talking about this with the family. And as a kid, even my grandfather, who, you know, he spoke broken English,

but he would always say, God, God bless America. It's the greatest country in the world. It's the great. And I know why it's because he went all over and he was able to make it in this country and raised his four kids. And then we went to his house and, you know, he was the first and only owner of that house. Oh wow.

I bought it in the 1960s for $23,000. Wow. $23,000 house now. So awesome. No, 1.7. Do you know what like his first break was? I mean, it sounds like he was like, challenging.

It was just a grind. It was just a grind. The whole time was a grind. Always, you know like he was like Challenged, it was just a grind. It was just a grind. The whole time was a grind. You know, he, when my mom was little, he was a custodian at school, at a school. And that night, he would clean movie theaters. And he would bring the family with him at night.

And my mom, when she was, you know, seven, eight, whatever her brother who was 10 or my grandma, they would help clean movie theaters till midnight. And then he'd go home and then he'd work in the school and then he'd come back, pick him up, bring him back. And they'd, so he could spend time with them. Wow. Basically, and they'd clean movie theaters

every single night. Yeah, it's here in San Jose, like San Jose. Oh wow. Like the centuries or what would you remember? Yeah, century old ones here in San Jose. Like San Jose. Oh wow. Like the centuries or what would you remember? Yeah. Oh, I think we were. Yeah, century and century old ones. Oh, no shit.

I think you did, I think you would clean. I think the centuries and I think maybe even the drive-ins, you would do the park, I don't know, but really interesting. And also, you know, another thing too, we were talking about my, he was so proud of his garden. So he had a regular house, right, track house. And I mean, fruit trees and vegetables, all he planted every single one.

And my grandfather was so proud of those things. And it makes sense when he realized how he grew up. To have your own tree that bore fruit. It's a big deal to my grandfather. So, I mean, that's how he passed away. He went to his house against his kids' wishes. And if you know my grandfather, you know, you can't tell him.

Yeah, there's no talking about that. What to do. He's a grown man, he's 91 years old. I think it's funny when people think that they can control somebody that age or whatever. He was sharp of mine too. So it wasn't like you had to control him because he was sharp.

But he went home and he was doing his gardening or whatever and doing blowing the leaves and tending to his stuff and we could see you get the ring camera whatever. But he died in his home how he always wanted to go. So very, very tough time, but the family's all together and my grandfather for the last, God at least the last six or seven years when we would get together. He tell me that he wants me to say, he always said, so I thought, my night died. I want you to say something nice about me,

and he goes, and I want my grandsons to carry me. I want to make sure my grandsons carry me all the way. He's got seven grandsons, so. We're all gonna say that. You said that picture of all of you guys. That was all seven. That's a grand son, yeah. Yeah, that's the great.

But he had 13 grandsons, I think 16 great grandchildren. If I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken, legacy. Yeah. I mean, it's just he started, it's just, again, it's crazy. I mean, I can't believe my grandma was telling stories about when she gave birth to my aunt, because my aunt, my mom, my mom's younger sister was the first one born in this country.

And my grandma, neither one of them was spoke English, didn't know whatever. She's like, my grandma's telling me this. She goes, you know, you're no one will took us to the hospital. And he was speaking Spanish. So he learned Spanish. He lived in Venezuela, right, for a few years.

And, you know, here in California, if you're not gonna speak English, you're more likely to find somebody to speak Spanish. So he's trying to find somebody, to talk to everybody, whatever. And he eventually found a doctor that spoke in time, was able to deliver, oh wow, my aunt. But that was my grandfather.

He could talk, everywhere you went, he knew somebody, always knew somebody and it makes sense. He had to figure out how to hustle and how to make shit happen. Because he knew nobody. He was here by himself with my grandma. It's really crazy. So wow. Yeah, crazy story.

So that'll be original. Yeah. That'll be tough time, but it'll get everybody together. I know it's gonna be a lot of people show up for that. So good stuff. Hey, check this out. Want to meet us live? Want to come to Mind Pump Studios?

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So, first off, just like everybody else, I want to thank you guys because you guys have definitely given me my life back and not having to run one to two hours a day. I actually gave you advice to try and definitely gave me back some of my time. So I appreciate that. But secondly, I'd like to defend my future profession a little bit because you guys talk some shit on the dentistry dental. That was Adam. That was Adam. You know, we're not allowed to get people.

There are some bad eggs in any industry, but you know, I've been waiting for this. I knew somebody was going to get ass out. He's like dead to Sarah hoax every single one. Sorry about that. I'm going to keep your teeth. I'm going to point me next week. Just so you know, just so you know, I have an appointment next week. See there you go. Prevent of care. Just like trying to prevent problems. That's the best way to do it.

Alright, so my question is, is it normal for a front and a back squat to be almost equal? Or is there an imbalance I should be addressing? I tried to address it by isolating the quads and the hamstrings on the leg extension and then on the hamstring curl machine, which I don't use machines very often. But whenever I did that, my qu claws were a little bit more stronger, which is normal, but then my hamstrings were right behind it. So I'm not sure if maybe they're too equal, and I need to boost up my claw strength

or where I should go from there. Yeah, okay, so good question. So two things, it's not common for a back squat and a front squat to be the same or similar, but that doesn't necessarily mean there's a quote unquote imbalances or a problem. Imbalances or issues tend to cause pain or tend to cause mobility issues.

So unless you're feeling pain or your mobility is suffering, it's not really something that I would worry about. And I'd point to Olympic lifters as a good example. Olympic lifters, and this has a lot to do with the fact that they practice lots of front-loaded squats. Many of them confronts front-load a squat, probably more than they can back squat, or almost as much, because of the way

that they practice and train. So it's not necessarily an issue. It's just not common. For example, it's more common. Someone can deadlift more than they can squat, but there are cases where someone can squat more than they can deadlift. So I wouldn't worry about it unless you're feeling some kind of joint issues or pain. Are you feeling anything like that or is everything feel good? No, I definitely do mobility probably once or twice a week now and have the run-through prime.

I haven't done prime pro yet, but I've done run through prime. And I did all the mobility stuff whenever I did performance. So my tip, my hips are typically very tight, just because I do run still. But I make sure to address that every, every workout. So my, my guess would be you have a pretty upright squat. And then you have a pretty strong core. How do you feel like when you squat, do you ever feel it in your glutes or do you always feel it in your quads? So I've been trying to focus more on my glutes, but yeah, I definitely usually feel it in my quads,

but I widen my stance a little bit and have gone a little bit deeper since working on that. How often do you incorporate hip thrust into your routine? Not very. Oh, that's, you gotta do that. How often do you incorporate hip thrust into your routine? Not very. Oh, that's you got to do that. I would swap out some of your back squat sets for hip thrusts and you'll probably develop the glute strength and the posterior chain that may be why your front and back squat are so similar. So again, it doesn't necessarily mean there's a problem here, but you may get some nice surprise benefits development.

You're just probably quad dominance. You're your runner. Okay, so you're probably already a little quad dominant because of that. And then you probably are pretty upright squatter so you get more quads involved there. So you just you're just not getting a lot of power from your glutes. That's all. It doesn't mean it's bad or it's wrong. And one of the ways you could do that is to be like It is to get into like hip thrust learning to fire the glutes more And you could do that you could do pre-exhaust before you go into squat So let's say you are gonna do a back squat. I might do some just maybe two sets of hip thrust right before

Just to prime the glutes really well before I go into my squats and then I'm really concentrating and using my glutes I think if you get better at firing the glutes in your squat, you might start to see the back squat come up. But again, it doesn't mean it's bad, it just means you're probably a little more quad dominant when you squat. Yeah, often you get live. At least once a week. I mean, I did with Annabelle, I mean, I followed that with T, but right now, I'm just kind of doing my own thing. I do at least once a week. Yeah, yeah, I'm just wondering how often you hit thing. I do it at least once a week. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm just wondering how often you hit the posterior chain. So, you know, that could be. Yeah, I do those in RDLs, for sure. Yeah. Man, I tell you, I bet if you swapped out your, some of your sets of your back squat for hip thrust, I bet you would notice some pretty cool butt gains from doing that. Because the hip thrust is phenomenal.

Barbell hip thrust and train it for strength. Get the reps 5 to 6 and see what you can do there. I bet you'll see some pretty good development from that. I've also moved it from a high bar to a low bar back squat to see if that's more comfortable because the forever reason in the front squat is more comfortable for me. So I'm just trying to see if maybe the the different bar positioning to help. Yeah, not at a head the nail on the head. Your quads are the main drivers with your squats.

So, you know, changing the bar position on the back squat can help a little bit, but I think you get the nail on the head with the hip thrust. I think that'll be the, I think that'll be an exercise you'll benefit greatly from because it seems like it's something that you need to do more of. Okay, no, I appreciate that. Can I do a follow-up question like everybody tries to do? So I know the sequence specifically, anabolic, then performance, then aesthetic,

and since I have been a little frustrated with, I don't hit very high numbers in terms of strain because I think I've done endurance for so long that I don't have that capacity So would it be a good idea to go into aesthetic and I caught like you guys have recommended before or Just focus more on these hip thrust and things like that for strings. So well it depends on your goal I mean you can do a cut or a bulk on any of our programs But how like what's your body fat percentage at like what are your goals? What are you trying to accomplish? So I use the, like, home body scanner. So it's not accurate.

But I'm at about 19% on there. Yeah. Why are you trying to cut? What are you, what are you trying to get down to? Why not? See where you're supposed to be? I just passed boards. So like, I have some free time to kind of, unless stress in my life.

So I can kind of do and less stress in my life, so I can kind of do more aesthetic goals now. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that, but I would, I would, I mean, if you were my client and you said, hey, Sal, what do you think I should do? It's okay, if you want to cut for a little bit, we could do a few weeks of that, just to see, you know, how you feel.

And then I'd have you focus on a bulk. And 19% body fat and like a really, you know, kind of a small surplus, so maybe five to 10% above your and like a really, you know, kind of a small surplus. So maybe five to 10% above your maintenance with your calories, with hip thrust and all that stuff. What you may actually find is your body fat percentage may not go up through the bulk. In fact, it might actually even go down a little.

Remember, body fat percentage is a percentage of your overall body weight. So if you gained three pounds of lean body mass through a small surplus and adding hip thrust, which is an exercise that may benefit you, and you gain no body fat in the process, you have simultaneously lowered your body fat percentage. Because now you've got more lean body mass,

same total body fat, you're actually a little leaner. So. I don't mind you cutting, just keep in mind that the two goals are a little conflicting, right? So if you came to me and it was like, Hey, let's get, let's get my back squad up and I, and I, and we assessed, I figured it out and I said, Oh, hip thrust. Let's go build those glutes.

Let's get you firing there. I would want you in a, in at least a calorie maintenance or surplus to, to reap the, the greatest benefits from those hip thrust. But then you come to me and you say, you want to cut. Well, then you were not going to see the same benefits from it. You will still see some benefits from the hip thrusts. But then you come to me and you say, you want to cut, well, then you're not going to see the same benefits from that. You will still see some benefits from the hip thrust, no matter what. But to maximize the benefits from that, I would, to Salis point, you know, maybe I let you do like a two or three week cut and then, you know, so we can lean out a little bit and then I say, all right, let's go back to a surplus and let's really hit

those hip thrusts and see what we can get from that. So I don't see anything wrong with wanting to do that. Just keep in mind that if you want to get the biggest benefits from the first question, I think that I would rather you be in a maintenance or a surplus. Most of the time at least. No, that makes sense. I'm just trying to get,

because I was getting frustrated with my performance in terms of not really increasing the weight super a lot. And I get, that's not the reason I work out, but I was just getting frustrated. So maybe I'll change my mindset instead of performance to maybe aesthetics and try something else to bring up my motivation, that sort of thing.

Yeah, do you have map symmetry? I don't know. You know what? I saw it on sale, so hold on the fence about it. But. Yeah, let me send you map symmetry. And what I want you to do is cut some of the volume out of the program,

add hip thrusts, but then follow the program as it's laid out, and then do a slight surplus, literally 5% to 10% above what your maintenance calories are, and then see what happens. I think you're going to be very pleasantly surprised with the program like that and with a little bit of a surplus. Okay. Is that a 5% or 10% each day or just in the total week? I guess you can bring it up either way, but it's total, like 100 each day or 100 over the week total.

It's no, it's trying to do it every day because the, it's really hard to make up calories when it comes to a surplus. In other words, there's a limitation to how much muscle you'll gain from being in a surplus and it seems to a surplus. In other words, there's a limitation to how much muscle you'll gain from being in a surplus. And it seems to be, the data seems to show about 5% to 10% above, for most people, okay? This is different. There's obviously individual variances,

but for most people, in other words, if your maintenance calories are 2000, you'd go up to 2,200 calories. But if you miss that for two or three days, it's not like you could go 600 calories above and then make up for those other days So try and be consistent with it All right, all right, Jack. Thank you. So thank you. And again, I apologize for Adam

You're good. Just keep going Thank you Jackie you got it I knew that was coming. I was waiting was waiting for the... I actually was surprised it got this far. I was like, man, I talked shit about that. I talked shit about it. It's like twice and everything for the colon. To call you out on it. Yeah, you know what's good about this point? That was a good question.

It was a really good question. But it does highlight something where sometimes when people work out a lot, they try to find problems where they don't exist. Now, it turned out good because it actually got us into a good direction of exercises that will probably benefit her. But the way she positioned the question was, oh my God, there's some wrong with balance.

You know, and we don't want to necessarily do that because unless there's like a mobility issue or start to feel pain or she's not developing certain muscles she wants to do. I mean, I didn't take it like she was, she thought she was necessarily doing something wrong. I think it was a really good observation, right? I think she, she understood that, you know, typically it seems pretty normal to have a bigger back squat than a front, mine's not. So what could it possibly bring? I don't think she knew how to position, maybe how to ask her. It was really quick for me to get a real point. Yeah, she's a runner. I mean, she's a runner.

She probably has an upright squat. She just is quad dominant. And so she's not getting a lot of the benefits from her glutes, which should be the primary mover in that back squat. And so her getting better at firing the glutes, I think, is going to bring. It's very anterior driven.

Yeah, and the back loaded squat, like positioning and everything. Of course, it's going to feel better, with the lower position on her, but I love I love questions and and you know Obviously she's been training for quite some time. She's in pretty good damn shape Like and you're trying to trouble shoot like how could I get better like I think this is a a perfect example That's how she's like really complaining or things she's something wrong with her I think she just I do think those symmetries gonna be really good for her because of the little expose a lot of that. Well, yeah, the unilateral aspect of it. She's gonna get a lot of that that glute stabilization.

Yep. Activation with a lot of those exercises. Our next color is Jenna from Missouri. Jenna, how's it going? How can we help you? Hey guys, thanks so much for taking my question and having me on today. You guys truly do make a difference to so many people, so I really appreciate all the content that you guys provide. I actually found mine pumps when Sal was on with Brittany Lutton back in April, and I have followed you guys since, so I know I have lots of catching up to do. So, a little background about me, 24 years old, 138 pounds,

roughly 22% body fat, and I'm five, six. I've been working out the past five to six years. The beginning years were really just going through the motions, not tracking anything, not paying attention to anything, I was there just being active. And I enjoyed being in the gym. The last two to you know, I was there just being active. And I enjoyed being in the gym. The last two to three years, I've really been trying to work on and improve my body composition, as well as just educating myself on overall fitness. So the last

since January really, I've been focusing on my goals, which are to lose some body fat, lean out, and tighten up for the long term. So, and in my years of previous years of working out, I've only done supersets my entire time working out, which I love them. I have fun doing them. And I've always been on a on-the-go lifestyle. So, they fit my routine perfectly. So as a this past January, when I wanted to transform, I have never pushed myself to max out before. So I couldn't tell you where my full potential is at. So and I'm not wanting to buy any program or spend money, but after listening to you guys and learning what you're actually about,

I bought anabolic anesthetic, so I'm getting ready to start those within the next week or two. So living into my question, I noticed anabolic is a lot of upper body, which is good for the fact that I have like rounded shoulders and I've never cared about my upper body. And now I do care. So I'm excited to see that to see the transformation of my upper body. But at the same time, I don't want to put my lower body on the back burner. So what are some ways that I can keep my lower body, build my lower body and what tips would you guys provide at the beginning? That ain't going to happen. That ain't, that's not gonna happen. You're gonna be, oh no, you know, no, and a ball, your legs, your legs and lower body gonna grow. Yeah. For sure.

Yeah. So for sure. Okay. Yeah. There's two pieces to this that I want to address. So I'll get to your, you know, maybe how you may want to modify the program in a second. But before I do, there's a common misconception when people, and it's usually women, because women tend to want to focus on the lower body, just like guys like to focus on their chest and biceps, with their workouts. And so, they'll look at a program and they'll say, oh my God, look at all these upper body exercises versus lower body exercises. Well, you don't want to necessarily think of it that way, because when you look at the lower body, you typically break it down into quads, hamstrings, glutes,

and calves, so there's four major muscles right there, right? With the upper body of biceps, triceps, then you have the deltoids, which are multifaceted, so they bring the arms back, they can bring them forward, they can press above, then you have the pecs, then you have the lats, then you have the mid back. So it seems like it's more upper body, but really because there's all these other muscles

that are kind of involved with these smaller movements, to see some isolation movements involved. Whereas with the lower body, we'll do things like squats and dead lifts and you might throw, we'll throw in maybe a quad exercise like CISC squats or a hamstring exercise like leg curls. So it seems that way, but reality, the volume is all pretty equated. And

lower body exercises really have this tremendous impact on the body, like a barbell squats impact on the total body in terms of just sending a muscle building signal in terms of the amount of damage and recovery that's required. Really just, I mean, a bench press a row, a pull-up, just don't compare in that context, okay? So the volume is totally equated. It is not an upper body exercise workout program. It's a whole body workout program. And Adam's 100% right.

If you follow it as it's laid out, you'll get developed everywhere, but you're gonna see your lower body really develop for sure. You'll see a lot of strength and muscle there, especially because you did so many supersets before. It sounds like you like that kind of fast paced type of workout. Maps in a ball like phase one is very strength-focused, long-rest in between sets.

Your body's in response significantly in that first phase. In fact, you're going to see your strength go up quite a bit, especially because you've never really trained that way before. So, now, in terms of modification, here's what we always recommend. We create programs for a general audience. We tend to have an avatar when we create a program, but still we're trying to write it for a lot of people. So we encourage people to modify an individualized program only after they followed the program

the way that we've written it. So once you've followed maps and a ball of the way that we've written it, once you get a good feel of what really good strength training programming feels like and what, how your body responding, then after that, then you can go through and start to modify and individualize and make the program, you know, really perfect for your body. But before you do that, follow it as it's laid out and kind of trust the process and see how your body responds. And then lastly, I'll add this.

I don't know if maps aesthetic will be a great program for you to follow up. After Maps and Abolic, I would like to see you do something like Maps Performance after doing Maps and Ablic. I haven't quite looked into all of it. I know you guys have so many and I haven't really like Doveon to check what they're all about. I'm really only familiar with

those two. So you started fine you started fine. I think that's a perfect and a block is the perfect program. Now here's here I'm gonna add some stuff this with southside. You are the type of client who if you I'm training you I'm constantly grabbing your shirt and saying sit your ass down. who, if I'm training you, I'm constantly grabbing your shirt and saying, sit your ass down. Sit down, sit your ass down, wait the full two and a half, three minutes, stop trying to get back to the bar. Just because you think you're ready, I want you to wait. And if it's easy, then let's stack more weight on there. So that's the conversation you need to have with yourself. The entire time that you're lifting through anabolic is I would rather see you rest too long than not enough because you're so used to doing that quick,

superset type of circuit type training. So sit your ass down, put more weight on there, focus on getting strong and adding weight to the bar. That's your main focus in there. Now I'm not that opposed to you going to aesthetic second, even though sales at it, we wrote them with the intent that you go anabolic performance aesthetic. So that with the intent that you go, anabolic performance aesthetic.

So that is the ideal, one, two, three, as far as the order of programs. The way aesthetic is written though, is for somebody like you, what you're asking. I still would want you to run anabolic first, at least, and I do think performance would benefit you to do that next. But aesthetic is when we start really getting into sculpting

the body. So let's say you and I have been training for a while, you run anabolic, you like the results, but then you're like, how do I still want more butt, or I want more quad or more hamstring, and I want more in my legs. In aesthetic, we teach you how to develop a specific area on your body.

So you pick one to two muscles, say your glutes and your hamstrings, and they become your focus days in that program to help bring in. Basically, all we're doing is teaching you how to build volume into your program to build up or to bring up a lagging body part. So that program is written specifically to help you sculpt and build the body and look the way you want, but I still would want to enable it. You can technically do that a little bit in the trigger sessions, but I think the biggest

point that Adam brought up that I think you need to consider is like going into that program, your mindset towards it, because you've been so focused on the supersetting to be able to really like go through the rest periods as it's laid out, and then focus more on intensifying by adding load. So, you know, that's something too.

It's like, you know, some of my clients, I really had to spend a lot of time just focusing on that specifically because of the circuit training and the tendency to want to just keep going, going, going. I really think that that's going to be a mental challenge for you going into this program. And if you can master that, your body's going to get a whole new stimulus, which is then going to spark a change in your physique. By the way, the results you're looking for are going to follow the strength gains.

Okay. So if you see strength gains, you know the results that you mentioned earlier when we started this conversation are going to come. They're going to follow so that your primary goal through this program is strength. Now of course, perfect form, make sure you control the weight, don't sacrifice your form of technique for strength, but strength is your goal. If the strength isn't going up, look at your diet,

make sure you're feeding your body appropriately, and I see in your question, you didn't mention this, but I'm reading your question here, you're getting ready to get married in June? Yes, in June, yep. Congratulations. So, if you get stronger, if you do this right, and if you feed yourself properly, you'll also may find yourself getting leaner without even trying.

Because as you start to build muscle, that body fat that you have on your body, the normal amount of body fat you have on your body actually becomes a smaller percentage of your body. So if I put 8 pounds of just muscle on your body, you're not going to look bigger, you're just going to feel tighter, things are going to lift, you're going gonna feel tighter, things are gonna lift, you're gonna feel sculpted, and you'll actually have a lower body fat percentage as a result. I'm saying that because what some women do is they start to get stronger,

they start to, oh my God, I'm feeling good, wow, this is great, and then they start to get worried. Maybe I should start to cut my calories, maybe I should start to lose weight. Don't worry about that, you're at a good body fat percentage. The way you train before, transition to maps and a ball, you're a prime position to build strength and sculpt your body.

So focus on strength and you'll get all the results that you're looking for. Our programs are so good you should be able to carry your husband down the aisle. We'll see. We'll see. Just saying. So awesome.

Okay. Thank you, Jay. Thanks for calling in. Yeah, I appreciate it. We'll see. Just saying. So awesome. Okay. Thank you, Jay. Thanks for calling in. Yeah, I appreciate it. Thanks guys. You got it. I kind of want to see that. Would that be great? Yeah, like it says a video. Yeah. What husband would want? I don't think he'd want to.

I don't know these days, bro. I mean, these days just got these guys on video. Daddy, can you show us the wedding video? It would have been mom's favorite. It's like pressing him over your head. Yeah. You know, I'm glad we get, you know, we have someone that age who, you know, obviously we did a good job.

We convinced her to try something like this because usually at this age, you get away with just beating the shit out of your body and you don't figure it out too much later when your body is just not working anymore. Yeah. So if she does what we say, she's going to be blown away. She will be blown away by how her body responds. Yeah, it's crazy. This is not the first time that we've had somebody who looks at an a ball can think the leg volume is low and I always trip out. I'm like, it is not low at all. You'll see what happens. But you know who it is. It is the, typically the female client

who does supersets, who does jump lunges, to side lunges, to squats, to like, she does like 10 leg stuff, every workout, and they're all like supersetted. They did leg press. Yeah, lightweight, and you know, it's like, oh, just, just get shrunk. So you're gonna have to tell this client,

again, just constantly rest, rest, I know you, if you can go do it and you're talking to me 30 seconds later, you're going, oh, I can do the next set out of them, we didn't put enough weight on the bar, more weight on the bar then, more weight on the bar. If you feel like you're ready to go after 30 seconds, we're not pushing strength enough. That's the challenge, I mean, I get that a lot, like it's just like, put more weight on the bar. Like, if you're not being stimulated enough, that's the goal here, we need to focus on that.

Our next caller is Roberto from Florida. Roberto, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Guys, how you doing? It's a pleasure to be on the show. I'm a long time listener. It's been like three, four years since I started listening. And you guys have helped me through raw periods

and life and enjoy and enjoy drives a lot more than I used to. But without being said, I just want to tell you guys a little bit about my background first. So I played baseball my entire life up to college level. I played in a D2 school. I was a picture. My family, jeans, tentaline, a little towards getting way very quickly. My dad, my brother, my mother, they all have struggled during their lives with obesity. They gain weight super easy and it's definitely

my James. So when I was 15, I decided to start going to the gym with my dad to support him. And I thought it was going to be a good idea for me to develop for baseball. We hired a trainer. He assessed me. He did all, you know, a typical like conditioning, strength, see where I was at. And we started developing my strength more than anything. It was one of a nice physique, you know,

like every kid at 15 years old. But he told me and everybody would tell me like, don't worry about the physique, worry about being strong, and that'll translate onto the field. And I mean, that really happened. However, I did see like, development in my lower body,

but not my upper body. I was at skin-y arms, no chest, no nothing, but I had like, under ties and, you know, tick-a-oh-based ball body. I went on to play, you know, college baseball and what I was in college during the fall season we would train about three times a week and we would do like the main movements, a lot of squatting, a lot of reverse stuff. And we did some powerlifting movements, like some clean, some handgreens, some of that stuff. But nothing too crazy just to, you know,

I guess we're going to on strength and mobility. And whatnot. So after I was done with college baseball, it was the pandemic. I was a senior, I got a call and be like, hey, season's canceled, You won't play baseball anymore And I was like a tough hit and you know the pandemic happened. I was you know Shrena at home. I couldn't move to the gym. I hated to have nothing to do

So I was like, all right, you know, let's let's start running I fell in love with running and I didn't pay attention to what you guys said and I just you know went out to running half Marathons every Saturday basically. I went from 215 pounds to 185. I thought I was feeling great, I was feeling good, but then life started back to normal. I went to work and I couldn't keep my physical activity levels up and in a matter of a one through two months I gained back those 20 pounds. Everything, like you guys have said in my previous podcast, I ate and I just stuck to my body.

I just felt like I ate a tortilla at home and it would just go straight into my belly. But yeah, so then I decided to go to go to law school for some reason and To deal with the stress and everything I Was just like okay, let me just invest some money I got my absentee a absentee of all egg and I've and you know it changed me completely I had before starting it. I decided to go to a little cut. I went Cuz I had gained some weight So I was at 205 when I started and by the end of maps I Weighted at 225 looking lean my my upper body developed like never in my life like nice looking shoulders biceps triceps and everything

So I was super into it super happy with the results and I said okay, let's put it, you know, step forward. And I bought a map of aesthetic. But I couldn't really finish it. I did like one stage and I just cut it. My body was just exhausted. The stress of law school, you know, increased finals. And then I started working at a law firm and my schedule was super tight and I didn't have time. So every single time I went to the gym, I went one through twice in a week

and then I was just done for one or two weeks. So I was wondering if you guys had any advice on how to deal with the stress of studying, working, and having a little time to still work out and enjoy it and see some development in my body. Yeah, good question. You know, we just came out with a program that might actually work really well for someone like you. Roberta, do you think it would be easier for you to do a short, like, 15, 20 minute workout a day versus two or three hour workouts? Do you think it would be easier for you to find like 15, 20 minutes a day versus, you know, carving out an hour a few days

a week? Yeah, casually, I was listening to that episode yesterday and I was thinking this sounds like something I would really enjoy because I think I could like wake up 20 minutes earlier, you know, get a workout in because I just got my, I got my own home gym so I could wake up to 20 20 minutes, and if I'm feeling better, then come back home, do another 10, 20 minutes, a couple other reps. And that feels like something that I could enjoy more than putting an hour into a workout every day. It's just really hard. All right, I'm going to send you Maps 15. There's two versions in there. One is with the suspension

trainer. The other one's a little more advanced that uses a barbell. So I'm gonna send that to you because I think that'll work better for you. As far as the stress is concerned, you know, exercise is a stress on the body. So if your life stresses go up, your body's ability to adapt to the stresses of exercise goes down. So you have to modify your workouts

based on the context of your life. So your workouts need to improve the quality of your life, meaning as your life changes, so do your workouts have to necessarily change. Keeping the workouts the same all the time, while life changes means that there's going to be periods where you're going to feel good, and then there's going to be periods where you're going to burn out and you can't stick to it. Maps aesthetic is way too much volume in a case like the one you're telling me. I think Maps 15 would be perfect for you. Now here's the challenge.

You're gonna feel really good and you're gonna have a lot of energy doing Maps 15 and you may have the following challenge where you save yourself. Ah, I feel like I could do more. I feel like I could throw more at my body. I want you to fight that urge because what you don't want is you don't want to put, you don't want to feel exhausted all the time. What you should feel is energized all the time. If you feel energized all the time, then you know that your workouts are complementing your life.

And what that means is you're gonna get better results. You'll get better results ultimately over doing a workout that's too intense or too much volume, okay? So we'll send that program, I think that'll be perfect for you. I really appreciate you guys for doing that. And so fighting that urge is always an issue for me because I was built with that

athlete mentality of going the extra mile, you know. So it's hard to find that medium point of being, okay, I feel good enough towards like I know it works today or oh no, I'm just being so lazy today and I'm just quitting early. How do you find that? I'm really, really good at that. I'm really good at that. The goal is always to do the least amount possible to elicit the most amount of change.

So that's how you have to think every time you go and work out. I'm gonna try and do the least amount possible to elicit the most amount of change. In other words, there's a sweet spot, right? There's a sweet spot there. And now, the athletic mentality that you learn playing sports, where you push yourself beyond the point that Adam just said,

has value in competition, right? And war. And war, like so, so we'll interview people who were soldiers, for example, and they'll talk about the training that they went through. The training in the military, for example, or in high-level sports, part of it is to get your body ready, but a lot of it is to get your mind ready.

Because when you're in battle, or when you're in a competition, you're not competing to maximize my body's recovery and adaptation. I'm trying to win, right? And oftentimes, the side that wins is the side that can persevere and push through, you know, when you're body and your brain

are telling you, lay down and give up, right? But this is not what we're talking about. What we're talking about right now is your life, your lifestyle. In fact, you're going to law school right now. So why don't you can apply that towards law school? Cause I know, I have family members that are lawyers and I know when they went to law school and what that looked like, and a lot of that is very mental. A lot of that towards law school. Because I know, I have family members that are lawyers and I know when they went to law school

and what that looked like. And a lot of that is very mental. A lot of that is very challenging. So the way you got to look at your workouts for most of your life, there's gonna be periods of time when you can take your workouts and push yourself and challenge the mental aspect of those value there. But the majority of the time, your workouts need

to improve the quality of your life. And if you're constantly pushing your limits with your workouts, then you're probably going to be compromising the quality of your life, especially if you do it all the time. You could still utilize that same mindset. You just have to push it more towards being disciplined about doing this to the point where it's going to benefit you. So now, think of it as you're trying to figure out that ultimate

optimization in terms of like how your body is going to thrive going forward. So I had to redirect and reframe this a lot, be an ex-athlete, coming in. What's going to be best for my body now? I have to be disciplined about now finding that sweet spot. I do think I can do more, but now I have to change that mentality of, you know, more is better and more intensity, and, you know, I have to, I have to, like, you know, go through this crazy workout to be able to get any benefit, which is not true. That's not benefiting you anymore

because of your live stress and everything else that you've accumulated. So now it's just like, you know, taking that same type of athlete mentality and applying it towards, like, this is the plan now. I love, I love coaching athletes. Just, you just need to shift your competitiveness. Stop being competitive with your workouts and trying to beat the shit out of yourself. Be competitive with your sleep routine. Be competitive with your diet.

Be, be competitive with your recovery. Like get, get competitive with those things. Don't get competitive with, can competitive with can I kick my ass inside the gym all the time. Do that. It's just hard because, you know, I like that feeling of, you know, having weight in the body, you know, and then sometimes when I feel like,

okay, this is maybe like, wait, I just try to like, I like that feeling, I'm feeling, I guess, powerful in a way, I'm sure you guys can relate. So it's just hard to keep myself back to it. Listen, you're talking to three guys who struggle with this all the time. We work out all the time. This is my constant battle.

But look, there's the right dose of exercise. The right dose is the one that gets you the best results. And then there's the most that your body can tolerate. Those are two different things. There's how much you can tolerate healing or adapting. And then there's also what's going to give you the best results and there's a little bit of value in sometimes pushing yourself to what you can

tolerate but what you're what you're saying right now and the way you're describing your lifestyle I think you need to train more often right now in the right dose and the sound and the right dose feels like this. I have a lot of energy. Man I feel really good. I feel energized. My joints feel good. This is awesome. That's where you need to feel. What you don't want to feel right now is, man, I feel like I just survived a battle.

Oh my God, I crawled out of the gym. Like, yeah, every once in a while, that's a good feeling, but you do that enough times, and the rest of your life, the quality of your life's gonna go down and not gonna be able to go to school, the way you want to go to school. And then you'll find yourself skipping the gym, or your performance to start to decline.

Actually start to lose the progress that you gained. Plus it'll probably open up again. This is a season of life that's different. So just treat it that way. Going forward, you might have a completely different scenario in terms of your environment like where you can get after it a little bit more intensively. And that's totally fine. Just right now you have to be smart.

I appreciate you guys. And before I leave, why would you guys recommend in terms of eating? Intensively and that's totally fine. Just right now you have to be smart Appreciate you guys and before I leave, why would you guys recommend in terms of eating what I would you what should I try to just maintain like I know like I maintain You should like 2600 calories. That's like my like maintenance level. I feel a little like Overweight a little chubby right now. I would like to cut down get a little lean tricola a bulk or should I try to cut down? little chubby right now, I would like to cut down, get a little lean tricol on a bulk or should I try to cut down my calories with this new program? I think if you trained properly and stayed at maintenance, you may see your body composition change a little bit. You can go on a little cut, but I'd be careful with that because cutting is also a bit of a stress on the body. So you can do that, and the way I would do it is I would do like these mini these these short periods of of a cut followed by maintenance. So, you know, 2400 calories for a few weeks then go back up to 26 or 2700 calories for a few weeks. So just kind of make it a slow process. You don't overstress your body while you're doing all the stuff that you're trying to do

right now. All right, perfect. I appreciate you guys. You got it, man. We'll send you Maps 15. Thank you so much. All right, perfect. I appreciate you guys. You got it, man. We'll send you Maps 15. Thank you so much. All right, buddy. All right, man. Yeah. So, you know, I let me ask you guys a question. What was harder for you to train in terms of getting the person to adhere? Was it the ex hardcore athlete who then later on became like a dad or a mom or whatever

and business person? Or was it the like the beginner who like never worked out? Yeah, well I would say the athlete, but I would say more specifically like the type A person, right, that just wants to put everything on their shoulders all at once. So hard to talk them out of doing everything at once is really difficult.

And when you have that gear that you, you step skill of like pushing yourself, it's so hard to not be in that gear all the time. And when I would train people who were athletes like that, it was like constantly like pulling them back, pulling them back, pulling them back. You know, we gotta do a little less, little less right now.

This is not, you know, you're not, you know, D1 football right now where you're not, you know, doing what you were doing before. It can be really challenging. I love these clients. In fact, most of my career, this is what I focused on was type A, high performing executives, athletes.

I was terrible with kids and I didn't do the advanced age very well. That was not my jam. I love this because what you have to do with someone like this is you just kind of get them, because what they have incredible discipline and they're highly motivated people, you just got to get them to shift away from what they have trained themselves to focus on for so long. That's the challenge. The hurdle is that he's convinced

himself that he loves that feeling. He's convinced himself that this is what gives me good results. When I trained hard for my sport, I got this. It's just like, okay, if I can just get you to be that way and get competitive with your sleep routine or get competitive with how you recover or get competitive with your diet. And so that's all I'm speaking to. Like, I'm not, I'm not even going to waste my time really talking a lot about getting after it in the workout. I'm going to, I'm going to hold him accountable every day. I see him on those things. And then I'm going to talk shit to him, which is what I love about someone who's like a high-performance athlete that you can kind of talk shit.

Like don't come at me with you. I don't care about your workout that you're adding weight right now. You can't even get your sleep routine right. So I'm gonna push them and push that athletic mindset and the areas that I think are gonna serve him best. And so once you can get them to make that switch, then they're very successful.

I just gotta get out of that mindset of beating themselves up the gym is what's serving them. Our next caller is Michael from Maryland. Michael, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey guys, thank you so much for taking the time to answer my question. First off, I gotta do the thing.

I gotta thank you guys for everything you do. You provide an invaluable service to the space. So thank you for that. So my question is in regards to my mother. She's 66 and she wants to start getting into strength training for her health as well as her quality of life. I'm proud of her for that decision and I want to help her reach that goal. So she gave me for advice. I like the thing I know what I'm doing. I've been in the fitness journey for a while but I don't know enough about that topic

Hence why I'm coming to you guys So she's mentioned that she wants to get a personal trainer from any gym close by and I kind of warned her in the way like Hey, don't just get any trainer. They may not have the best experience with that That age group where they may go too intense or too hard and I don't want her to get injured or lose, you know, get discouraged right away because how intense it is. So my question really is, do you guys have any recommendations or best approach for her situation or do you guys have a program that you would think would be best for her to really help her get all the benefits of strength training?

Yeah, well, I'll send you, I'll send you, I think, map starter, which would be a great program. That being said, Michael, nothing is going to be better than a really good trainer or instructor. But what's cool is that he, you haven't hired the trainer yet. So I love when we kept somebody before because then what I would do is, we're going to give you that program. When she goes into the gym That's part of the deal of me hiring you So in other words like she is that we got a follow starter and because you're paying money because here's what's tough If you already have a trainer like people listen to our show and they're like oh, I have this trainer for six months

And they're doing this and you guys say this and it doesn't seem like it line So how do you think I could give them your program and fuck now that never works they get all pissed and it but because seem like it aligns. So do you think I can give them your program? And no, that never works. They get all pissed. But because they've already the contract's already been done, but you walking into it or helping her walk into the situation and say, here's a deal. I want my grandmother to go through this training program. This is mom.

Oh, sorry, your mom, I want my mom to go through this training program and I've already purchased it. Can you, can I hire someone that will help her follow it? And if you present it like that, then the, and by the way, when you go to a gym, ask for the manager. So go directly to the manager, explain, explain exactly what you're explaining to us, and say, I'm looking for someone who's going to take care of my mom, and who's your best trainer, and I have a program I want there, I want them to follow, can I talk to them, or can I hire them, and then, and then you'll be fine, dude? Michael, I have the pleasure of working with an exceptional physical therapist and she did really, really good job working with people in this age group.

And then later on this became something that I became specialized in. And one of the learning curves that I had to go through was realizing that, you know, resistance training really is just working against resistance, meaning it doesn't have to be weights or machines. It could even be just body weight. For example, you could test your mom out like this. Can she stretch, can she reach directly above her head with her arms without having to arch her back where her arm is right next to her ear? If she can't, one resistance training exercise may be to really just try to reach and extend your arm to give you an example, right? Another example would be, you know, hey, mom, let's have you stand up from a chair and then slowly try to sit down. So you don't fall down in the chair, but you're controlling the scent. The other thing that I learned was the intensity required to elicit change is very low in somebody that's deconditioned and older.

Like anything above and beyond what she's used to is gonna elicit change. Your mom should not get sore after her workouts or if she does, it should be very minimal. Okay, so if your mom comes home from a workout, oh my God, I'm so sore my legs. They went a little too hard and it's better to err on the side of easier than it is to kind of overdo

it, especially when you're dealing with someone in this particular case. Now, here's the questions that I would ask the trainer that you're looking for for your mom. How many people do you work with that are in advanced age? Do you have any correctional exercise experience or certification or education? Those are two very important things because those people, people have lots of experience working with people over the age of 60,

people who really understand correctional exercise, they're going to approach training your mom properly. Even if they use map starter, a trainer could train your mom too hard with map starter. They could push the intensity too hard with their right octagats. So even though the exercise may be appropriate, they may use an inappropriate level of intensity

for your mom. Your mom should leave the workout feeling good, not like she got beat up. Well, and you can call the GM, or the fitness manager of that gym, and literally ask that exact question to them and say, who's your trainer with the most experience? With the most experience with an advanced age,

who has the, who's a correctional specialist most experience with the most experience with an advanced age? Who has the who's a correctional specialist or physical therapist background? Do you have one and then whoever they recommend then you go and meet them and then do exactly what I say with the map star Or thing and you should be fine. Yeah, you know literally two days a week for your mom would be fine Even one day a week she would start to see lots of strength gains and then moved to two days a week and then beyond that She wouldn't need a whole lot more aside from like additional activity, like walking and stuff like that. So, got you. She already actually does that. She walks every day a couple of miles. But, yeah, she's starting to get into that resistance training aspect. And, you know, it's funny, you mentioned all the, you know, like the sit downs and get ups or holding something over

her head. I did actually have her start to do that and see her mobility. Her mobility is not that great. I guess a follow-up question would be, would you recommend maybe starting just with Prime or Prime Pro to get her range of motion? Ready for starter. Do you think starter is a beginner enough level that she could kind of just jump into that and take it slow. No, so, so here's what a good trainer will do, right? A good trainer will look at starter and modify it to fit your mom. So to give an example, let's say one of the exercises is

a seated overhead press with dumbbells. Well, if your mom can't extend her arms overhead her head with no weight, well, guess how we're going to do the, the, the seated press? No weight. Right. I'm going to have you hold your hands out with no weight, well guess how we're gonna do the seated press, no weight. I'm gonna have you hold your hands out with no weight and then lift your arms up and try to straighten your arms out without overarching your back. And that becomes the exercise, right? Let's say it's a seated row. Well, when we're doing the row, if she can't pull her shoulders back very well without resistance, well, I'm gonna add the most minimal resistance.

I'm gonna give it like a really light band. And then I'm going to focus on that end point where I'm really squeezing the shoulder blades back. So a good trainer will be able to take that and modify it to fit your mom and that trainer. I take that. I'm a bad trainer. I take that. Of mobility exercises. So that's the thing. That's that's kind of where you need to coaching to come in. And you're hoping that you have somebody with experience to be able to spot those things out. So then they could take some of those things that they notice in terms of imbalances or dysfunction

and be able to work on that and have that something that she can incorporate on days that they don't meet. And then also still work progressing forward towards learning how to properly resistance trains. So really that's going to amount to the right coachfist. Yeah, you know, really that's gonna amount to the right coach fit. Yeah, you should be able to find a trainer that has either a physical therapy background

or correctional exercise specialist background and five years experience. And experience working with advanced age. And they're gonna do a good job with that. They're gonna see, no one with that experience is gonna see her do a shoulder press and then make her keep doing it. They'll see it and be like,

oh, we're gonna have to do this instead. We'll do some corrective work. So yeah, that's what you asked that question of a GM or an FM at a at a your local gym and you should be able to find there's normally at least one or two really solid trainers. But you're thought with that is correct. I would personally use prime, you know, for those instances, you know, to navigate through that as a coach and a trainer, I would utilize that. And then also in conjunction, you know, run her through starter. Yeah. Right. Cool. Awesome. Well, thank you guys so much. And I think again, thanks again for everything you guys do. You guys are awesome. Michael. We'll take you man starter. Yeah, let's know how your mom does. Yeah, you're a good boy.

Yeah, I tried. Good boy. Thank you. Good stuff. Yeah, this, this became, yeah, I've said this a lot in time. This became my favorite age group to train because, you know, it's life changing to have some loose 30 pounds. It's life changing to see somebody build their butt or their biceps, but it is more than life changing to get somebody who's 70 years old to come in and say,

I could reach above my head. The very reason why you liked it, the very reason why you liked it is because the conversation, well, that's the selfishness. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the other part. But I mean, listen, I had reach above my head. The reason why you liked it, the reason why you liked it is because the conversation, well that's the self-present. The wisdom. That's the other part. But I mean, listen, I had support I did like. I love the conversations with my 65 plus year old

because of all the wisdom that they have. But I mean, do you ever have one come in and say, I went up the stairs today? Or I could actually lift something and put it on the top shelf and it was like transformative. That is like a heat, like your independence. That's a really big deal. And you're right, the conversation's the wisdom.

I mean, I just asked some all kinds of questions and it was like, man, you're paying me for me to learn. For me, this is pretty cool. Totally. It's a good time. Look, if you like MindPump, go to MindPumpFree.com and check out our guides. We have guides that can help you with almost any health

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