Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 198: Back arch, bench press vs. overhead press, Onnit & MORE

Episode Date: December 9, 2015

Sal, Adam & Justin answer your questions about arching the back while performing the bench press, taking aspirin & Tylenol and gains, MAPS Anabolic Triggering Sessions, fitness celebrities with brutal workouts who post inspirational quotes, opinion on Rippetoe's the overhead press being better than bench, what the MP Crew would take if they had to evacuate their house and also their opinion on Onnit. Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Learn more about Mind Pump at www.mindpumpradio.com

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Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews Welcome to mind pump this shows featuring Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer Justin Andrews, yeah, boy. And the always vascular, Doug Egi. Adam, I need you to do that. I need you. I need your pay attention, please.

I'm paying attention, bro. What do you want to ask me a question? I like your Santa hat. Like that. Very festive. I do, I can't wait, you know, my lady had done a jingly bowl to the house up, so it was all festive

when I got home. Do you guys, does she decorate their shadow house? You know, I was the one who got her into it, now she's really into it. You decorated the house? Okay, 21, favorite Christmas movie. Go. Favorite Christmas movie?

Yeah. Christmas story. Yep, me too. She got on the way. Yeah, and then it's not. It's not your. What's yours? Elf. Elf. Elf would be a close house. It's not. What's yours? Elf.

Elf would be close. Elf is okay. It's pretty good. But a Christmas story is like, you know why? I mean, that's classic. It's classic. Yeah, I was kind of bored with it. Yeah.

When he drops the bolts, yeah. Elf is good though, too. That's one of my favorite ones. That's like my new one. Yeah. It's a good go-to. So, do you guys decorate the hell out of your house Justin?

I'm not the hell out of it, but, you know. We do an okay job, yeah. Dude, my wife goes crazy. Yeah, we go crazy. Bro, soap dispensers, freaking towels, freaking lights. She'd get along with my mom. We've got two nativity scenes.

We've got freaking two Christmas trees. We've got, it's like, oh, she goes off. And my daughter inherited this decorating gene, because it's my daughter's favorite thing to do is to help her do this. And me and my son get into the tree, and we do it, and then it's like halfway through when we're kinda done with that part.

Me and Em are sitting down watching TV while they continue doing the rest, because it's just, it's just a lot. Yeah, there's a lot. I appreciate it. It is a lot of. I don't appreciate that I have 12 bucks, you know, 1200 boxes in the cat

and the garage. I'm in charge of cutting the tree down, putting it in there, setting it up, leaving it to hell alone. Do you put lights on the outside of the house? Yep, and I do that too. Now do you do a lot of lights? Or do you do like, I do what I just do one line.

I do it. Yeah, no, actually I go all the way up, you know, the front and the side of the house and then down the railing. So yeah, it's kind of a lot. And it's more than just the front. Your house is all lighted up. Adam, fuck.

That's right. Oh my name's Adam. Sorry bro. That's Justin over there. And this is Doug over here. I don't know what happened. I'm sorry bro. I need to stop with the Kermit reference. We have lights outside.

We have some, although the lights, we don't go crazy outside of pretty basic as far as one strip of line or one line on the roof or whatever. You do a line on the roof? Yeah, pretty much. Not like your Halloween style. Huh? We get pretty crazy though.

We get the inside is when you come in, it looks like Santa Claus threw up all of the house for Santa's banging Rudolph. Yeah, looks like a long one. We have three Christmas trees in the house. We have, you know, we've got snow everywhere like the fake like, you know, snow looking thing all over any sort of fiberglass that chairs are curing. Cutscats are, yeah. Spastas, you know, it's everywhere.

I like, I'm into all those little houses too that have lights inside of them that light up that you plug in and stuff so I get all those set up everywhere. So do you help with the decorations then? Well, I started my girl on it and it kind of shot myself in the foot because When we we used to have Christmas at my house and when we when her and I first met I still had my place and We come over and I used to do my house up all and you know She got into it with me and she's like oh, it's so cool I never really did this and then when we when we went to hurt when I sold my house moved in with her

She she kind of carried the tradition over. And at that time, when it's been like for me last couple years, I've been just busy as fuck. And so it is. It's quite the chore to set all that up. And you know, the last year, it was a hard year for us to do it. And then the issue was another one where she's like, I want it done by this day. I'm like, look at it.

I did. She never used to do this. Now she does it. Now she's like, I want it up. I love it so much. Well, let me ask you this. If she, because now she does a lot of it, right? Yeah. If she didn't, even though you're busy, would you find yourself saying, okay, I want to do this.

I would. I would knock it out eventually. Because you enjoy it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. See, if I lived alone, you couldn't, you wouldn't be able to know. You'd walk in my house, you'd have zero idea what frickin holiday it was, what season you wouldn't have. Yeah. I didn't want to. I did it when I was a single bachelor. You know, that's what I said when I was at my house. Decorate your house when you're a bachelor. Mm-hmm. Wait a minute. Hold on a second bachelor. That's why I said when I was at my house. Decorate your house when you're a bachelor.

Mm-hmm. Wait a minute, hold on a second. What? Is this a wizard thing? Is it a wizard thing? Is it a child? It does lock down December pretty well. Listen.

Listen, I had like a holiday hungry man and that was it. That was it. Bro, I bought one, I swear to God, I bought one decoration my entire life. And the reason why I remember it, because it wasn't a big deal, but everybody made such a big deal about it, because it's like, oh my God, what the hell are you doing, so? I was at the grocery store, and they had these, you know, those like mesh bags of cinnamon-centred pine cones that you see sometimes. For whatever, I smell them, like a noxious view. I'm like, that smells good. That smells good, so I bought it and I just put it, you know, I put it in the house. That you see sometimes for whatever I smell that like a noxious

I bought it and I just put it you know put it And everybody's like what the fuck was really cinnamon in there what the hell you do it? I'm like it smells good right like did you just buy a Christmas decoration like I guess And that was it Christmas I like the grinch that's another phone. That's another good one to watch. Yeah, I do like it. Well, see when you, Jim Carrey's Grinch. When you have kids, it's fun because then you can watch, you know, these movies and stuff with them.

It's pretty cool. It's a good time. What's the one with the, uh, fuck the Halloween guy? Uh, nightmare, or Christmas? The four Christmas, yeah. That's a great Christmas movie.

I watched it a long time ago. It's creepy actually. It's kind of weird to associate it with that, but yeah. It's the Christmas movie. Yeah. It is. Apparently. Yeah.

They labeled it that way. That's what it says. It's a little more hollow. It's a little more hollow-in-ish. It's not taken. Yeah. Shhh. Hold on, guys.

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I'm a vampire and I'm a warrior. No, we got that covered. Cassidy H626. She's asking about backarch for bench press. Damn, I thought we banned her. She gets too much stuff. I know, she has some great questions. We have to answer them, you know.

And she's talking about if you're not a power lifter. You know, we're gonna, you know. And she's talking about, if you're not a powerlifting. You know, we're gonna make a trophy. And for all we're gonna get it. Yeah. Is that one trophy I send you guys? The extra trophy. The Cocktofe. Yeah, it was no.

So Cassie, you guess what you get? You get that super cock trophy. If you could just leave your address in our D&Bs. We'll get that straight over to you. No. We made a huge it's gold and it flies apparently. We held Adam down and we made a cast. So back large millions.

I won. I won. We had to use a lot of goals and cover that battle. Mine pump retired. It cost straight to the bank. It cost 10 million dollars to make that battle. That's what you know when shit's getting rough for us and we know what you have to do. It's got straight to the bank. It costs 10 million dollars to make that bad boy. It's a lot of gold. That's when you know when shit's getting rough for us

and we know we're trying to get it. Oh right, Cassidy, they'll get to it. Yeah. The way we're not. The minus dick. We're not trying to get it. No one. All right.

Yeah. All right, back arch for the bench press. Oh yeah. Yes. Back arch for the bench press. Okay, so. I'm curious to hear all you guys opinion. I have my own opinion.

So your butt needs to stay on the bench. So for people who aren't completely familiar with what's going on here, your butt always stays on the bench. Even if you're a power lift, you're gonna compete. Your hips come off the bench, disqualified. Okay, so butt is on the bench, upper back is on the bench. Lower back should have a natural curve, and you should kind of brace that curve.

And here is why. So yes, you should have an arch, but you shouldn't, you don't have to go crazy with an excessive one. No, you don't have to go nuts with it. Unless, of course, you are a power lifter. But you do want to drive into the floor and brace that arch because number one is stabilizes you.

But here's the number two reason. This is actually the main reason. When you're, when you have that natural arch, it allows your, it puts you at an angle to where you're scapular retract. Yeah, that's what I'm better at. If you're, when you have that natural arch, it allows your, it puts you at an angle to where your scapula retract. Yeah, that's what I'm better for. If you're back as flat, it rolls your shoulders forward, your scapula spread, and then you, you, uh, it sets you up for pro, for shoulder problems.

So it's actually biomechanically not as hearing the shoulders. Right. It's much better biomechanically to have an archer back. Right. And plus two, the benefit of, like you said, driving your feet into the ground too. I mean, it's just the more you can incorporate a full body approach to these lifts, you know, the better off you're going to do from a strength perspective. So I get myself in the position, like you said, normal bench press position, my feet,

my feet are on the floor, but then I'll actually bring them back a little bit to where they're I'm actually pushing right here with the toes. Yeah, that's that's why I do so just a little bit And then I'll take my scale I'll take my hands straight up towards the bar Like I'm touching the the bench press bar in front of me and then I'll pull them back and squeeze my pinch my scapula All the way back together and then that kind of Put it actually creates a little bit more of an arch, more than the natural. So the natural one already,

and then by retracting the scapula more, it creates just a little bit more of a natural arch. So you're nice and open. Yeah, just opened up, and then that's the position. Like we like you. Just a position. Ready to see.

When you see these guys that are arched and extreme arches, just to get up, just so they can get a little extra weight up. To me, it's, I mean mean even if you're a power lifter You're asked to stay on the bench to in order to can regardless. Yeah, but I've seen some power lifters That do a pretty fucking ridiculous arch. I mean no you don't need to overdo it. Oh my god that video that went viral Yeah, stupid idiot that was yeah They're just taking advantage of the rules. It's just it. Yeah, it's a manipulation

Yeah, so that's probably what she's kind of referring to seeing these dumb videos or kids I just like trying to cheat and in that case, it's definitely stupid. It's stupid for anyone to do it whether you're power left or or not. Well, I've heard people, you know, I've had clients tell me, oh, it hurts my back. I need to have it flat on the bench and they'll put their feet up on the bench. If your back is hurting from a natural arch, number one, there's a problem there, but number two, you're not bracing your core. You're just focusing on the arch. Okay, there's a difference between, arch passive in the lift.

Right, there's a difference between arching your back and bracing your core while arching your back. And let me explain, the way you brace your core while you're arched in that position, pretend like someone's gonna poke you in the stomach or tickle you, what do you do? You kinda bear down a brace, that's it? That's how you brace your core while you're arched in that position. Pretend like someone's gonna poke in the stomach or tickle you. What do you do? You kind of bear down a brace. That's it. That's how you brace your core. And you'll find that the lower back straight hard not to poop or poop. And it'll brace your core and it'll take that shearing feeling off of the lower back.

You did say pinch the shoulder blades back. I also want to say this, pinch them back and bring them down also. So you're squeezing the shoulder blades down, it back and down, like you're putting them in your back pocket. That's the best way to squeeze the shoulder blades back. Otherwise, you see people tend to shrug when they're trying to do it and then they just get weird shit also. Which I feel like that angle kind of creates that too. When you have that slight arch,

it is kind of down and back almost naturally when you try. It should be, Yeah, exactly. 101 underscore south does taking aspirin or Tylenol infrequently affect your gains. You think they live off a freeway 101 in south? I don't know, that'd be cool. I live off of 101 in south. So this, this, I know, I know where this question is coming from. So there's been some time to do what I want South, dude. I believe we didn't episode on this a while ago. No, I don't. I don't, I imagine you did a blog post, I think.

Oh, we never did an episode. Oh, yeah, but we did refer to as far as like taking aspirin because I remember the study that was talking about like athletes that were constantly taking aspirin. It was ibuprofen. Right. And then basically what happened is they weren't producing a lot of inflammation, which then didn't significantly change as far as like promoting the environment for change, as

far as muscle development is concerned. Right. In comparison to the other case study. That was the theory behind the results of the study, because the results of the study showed that athletes who utilize or take anti-inflammatory NSADS, non-staroidal anti-inflammatories, which by the way, Tylenol doesn't actually doesn't go in that category, although Tylenol may have the similar effect.

But NSADS, ibuprofen, aproxen, those types of drugs, otherwise known as ibuprofen, excuse me, be known as Advil, or which one's an aproxen to leave? I think that's the trait name. I'm not bear, excuse me, be known as Advil or which one's the prox and a leave. I think that's the trait name. Bear, not bear.

No, bear's aspirin. That's right. So, they found that athletes that take them before training for a long period of time, they have, they get less results. They don't build as much muscle. Then, over time, they get worse injuries. They start to get things like tendon ruptures and joint degeneration over time. And the theory behind it, which has been backed

by other studies, is that the inflammatory signal exists for a reason. Now, too much inflammation isn't good, but if we block the inflammatory signal from happening, we're also blocking the signal that tells you about it to repair, rebuild, and strengthen. That's an integral part of the whole signaling system. That's one of the reasons, for example, why getting too many cortisone shots in your joint, if you have a bad

shoulder or whatever, overtime will cause degeneration of that joint. It's very similar. So this is where that question is coming from. Does it affect your gains if it's infrequent? No. No. No. The studies were for people who took them every time they worked out. Right. And they did it for a long period of time.

And even then, you push you don't want to be chronically inflamed. I mean, that's another serious problem. That's a fucking great point because if you're taking ibuprofen, you're having to take it before every workout, the last of your worries is the fact that you're not making it as good a game. Why are you having to take ibuprofen before every workout? You know, so on a side note, by the way, interesting study on NSAIDs has nothing to do with

this question, but they found that we've known for a long time that cannabis that's high in THC can cause memory loss, you know, especially short-term memory for people who do it for a long, you know, long periods of time. And the reason is because it causes inflammation and the part of the brain that stores this types of memory. I believe it's the hippocampus. Taking ibuprofen with high doses of THC blocks that affect and so they don't get the memory loss effects. Yeah, so if you're gonna go blaze up a shit ton you might want to take an ibuprofen before that. Good to know.

Good to know. No to self. No to self. Little live hacks right there. Yeah. Good. Next up from 500 days of fuck you. That's a big. Yeah, Doug said it. Excuse me. I said it. Excuse me. I love

when Doug swears. It turns me on. Yeah. Did you see the smartness answer? I gave him for the first question he asked about about some tips as far as becoming a personal trainer and being being more a little more marketable. Yeah. How much into your name for it? Although we love to say it on this show. Yeah, we do. Our MAP Santa Ball Triggering Sessions, really, that important to do. About as important as brushing your teeth, I guess.

Yeah. They're important, would you say? The foundational workouts are the meat and potatoes of your workouts, but the triggering sessions really take it to the next level. And the effect of the triggering sessions, the reason why they're so effective is because they're so frequent. So if you do them here and there, you're not going to get much benefit. You got to be real consistent with them because that's the benefit of them.

You know, I'm saying it's not like I can get away with not having an intense workout because that are really intense work other day. If you're doing the intense foundational workouts and you want to get the benefit of a triggering session, it's all about the frequency. That's what they bring to the table. It's that frequent, you know, levels of stimulation several times a day on the days, you know, quote unquote, that are off. And they're low intensity. So that can give you any of the benefit than that. I mean, there's still low intensity. You're not going to be tearing muscle down and building them from that.

You're just sending this real frequent signal. If you don't do them consistently, then you're not getting the benefit. That's very important for gains though. I think people think that, you're just sending this real frequent signal. If you don't do them consistently, then you're not getting the right. That's very important for gains though. I think people think that, you know, because they are doing the meat and potatoes, that the triggering sessions are just, oh, whatever, but they're not, oh, whatever. That's why it's designed and why it's unique and different than any other program you'll see is because it is an important piece.

Does it mean you can't just do foundation sessions and not see change in your body? No, of course not. You can definitely can. But most people are that are going to be proud about maximizing things. Yeah, exactly. Most people are all about the maximal games. How do I get maximal games? Well, that's how this was designed. It was designed to give you maximal gains the best way possible to do that. Amplifies your signal. Why not do it? Yeah, I notice, I always notice when I miss triggering sessions, even if I do them, because I rarely miss a day of triggering sessions,

but I have had times where instead of doing three, I'll do one. I know it's a big difference when I do that. I'm not, my muscles aren't as full. I don't recover as fast. I don't feel as lean. And so it's a pretty evident effect, and it's a pretty quick effect.

If I miss a few days like that, then I kind of start to lose the effect. So it's really a reinforces to me that it's all about the frequency and consistency of frequency. So if you're going to utilize antibiotic triggering sessions and you want to give it a chance, do it for a few weeks and be super consistent with them. And then and then watch what happened. And then you'll see what the effects are. There you go. Raising autism asks how you feel about fitness celebrities that post crazy workouts that almost nobody else can do. And then they follow it up by some inspirational quote.

Like you pussy, you can't do my workout. How do you feel about that? Well, I would say the way we feel about that is why we created mind pump. A big, a big reason why we did that is because that is. And now we're in the social media world that it's gone so crazy. I mean, it's nuts where we are today, where we were five years ago in the fitness world and what's going out there with social media. And we kind of talked about this in a previous episode

about the evolution of fitness and going back to ancient times and training the body for performance and, you know, and then where we are now in time, where we went from, you know, the golden era of Arnold Schwarzenegger and training some really good movements, compound lifts and full body movements and exercises to now this new era that we're in where it's all about the glamour.

You know, it's all about the fucking, you know, cool videos that you post and the cool music and the cool quotes that you put on it. It's like, try harder if you're not European. I'll tell you why they do it. I mean, because it works. Because people watch it and they like it and they get massive amounts of following from it. They get millions of people for just, you know, because it's a spectacle, you know, it's, the thing is, it becomes about that person. It doesn't become about like how they can help people.

Like they throw the inspirational quote in there to try and relate. But really what it is, it's about that person. It's about what they're doing, it's about how awesome they are. Like what we're about is the people. What is the best for you? Like I know what's best for me, duh. You know, I figured that out.

I've mastered that. You know, but I'm not out there showing off and juggling and doing dumb shit just to get you to like me. Right. I'm trying to give you something that you can apply and have a tool and forever be grateful for it. You know, that's what I want to be known for. What you have to consider, there's a couple of things.

First of all, sometimes it's just them posting a crazy workout that they did, and then they're gonna post an inspirational quote underneath, they're not telling you to do that workout. They're just showing you this crazy workout they did, and then they're gonna do something underneath to inspire you to work harder. Unfortunately, a lot of people look at that

and say, oh, I'm gonna do what that guy's doing. So that's number one. Then there's the idiots that actually tell people to do that shit. Right. That's what I was talking about. That's where I have a problem because they're not trainers. They don't understand.

And we were talking about this. When we design programs, when we do programming for programs that we put out, we talked about that and how a lot of fitness celebrities, we were talking about this. Remember, what are they doing when they're sitting down, putting it into the program? They're thinking to themselves, this works for me. And I like this, and I can, I love it when I can always kicks my ass when I do burpees followed by this or do that. So I'm going to put it in this routine. When we're designing programs, we are, is a collective, look, here's a deal, a fitness celebrities' knowledge is based on their experience of training themselves, which they have a lot of experience training themselves. So they're super knowledgeable about one person of training. Our knowledge is based upon the experience of training.

Thousands. Thousands. So now let's do the math on that. Right. It's exponential. Right. So if we're gonna put together, you know, or make a recommendation, we know that, hmm,

only about 10% of the people listening would probably be able to do that and about 90% of the people will fry themselves or get hurt or we know it's not a good idea to put these two exercises back to it. Look, there's a reason why, and I know people that squat and deadlift on the same day, but there's a reason why there's squats and deadlifts are on separate days and maps.

Because the vast majority of people who squat with any type of intensity or deadlift with any type of intensity on the same day, you're going to get lumbar problems, you're going to get low back issues. It's just a lot of work in the posterior chain. Well, that's the other problem that I have with these is most of these fitness celebrities. They put together a workout that is solely based off of intensity. They're solely based off of how hard

of a workout and the reason why they continue to get millions of people following them and buying their books and she let that is because it is hard. And that most people translate, unfortunately, and we've talked about this if you're a listener and you've been listening for a long time in previous episodes, that most people translate a good workout in by how hard it was, which is completely wrong. How hard a workout does not dictate how effective a workout was and then when we sit down and we design a program That's what we're talking about. We're not like we don't go city It's not like this weekend when we all got together and we're designing these programs We're sitting around going like oh pro do this and then what's murder

And this will kid him that I mean that's easy. We could do that. I could do that We don't sleep we didn't need to drive to Reno for fucking three days and grind all day long to write a shitty program and this will kid him. I mean, that's easy. We could do that. I could do that. We didn't need to drive to Reno for fucking three days and grind all day long to write a shitty program. I can write a fucking program that'll break anybody off on this radio station easily. That doesn't take anything. That doesn't take any knowledge.

All that takes is my some experience of what I know is a hard-ass exercise. And I put a bunch of them together and then post it as like I did it, shoot a video. And it's so easy here. Do some walking lunges, do some jump squats, do some burpees, you're gonna fucking pee. I guarantee you.

Is that gonna make you, is that gonna give you progress? Now, here's the thing you gotta consider. A lot of these fitness celebrities, actually all of them, they're not gonna post their regular workout. They're gonna post a crazy workout that they're doing. And it's a 15 second video. You're not seeing the whole workout. So some of that or a lot of it's probably manufactured. Now, for those fitness celebrities that actually do workout and follow the crazy routines that they say they do,

they are the exter- The anomalies. They're anomalies. And we have friends that are that. And most freaks, trust me. And most of you, most of you, I hate to break this to you, you know, don't get, don't get upset when I say this. But most of you listening are not anomalies. Most of you are regular people. And you follow the anomaly training workout,

and you're not gonna get Mr. Anomalies results, you're gonna get hurt and burnt out and no results. And let's be honest, let's be over trained and broken. Less likely hurt. Unless you're really old and you have all these postural deviations and issues, and you think you're silly enough to jump into one of these.

If you're young and healthy, you'll just never get no result of that right now. If you're young and just stop before you. Exactly. If you're young and healthy, you're more than likely going to get burnt out or you're going to hit a hard plateau and not know where to go from there. Because once you've maxed out your intensity

and what you could possibly do, and your body is now adapted to that intensity level, then most people don't know where to go from there. And anything else is a decrease lining, but I need more. And anything else is a decrease in intensity and a decrease in volume, which ends up giving you less results because you've trained the body now to adapt to that volume and that intensity level. Exactly. And the inspirational quote part, you know, I don't have a problem with that, but I will say this, most of the ones I've seen,

I've seen some that are really good, but a lot of them are like, so can generic. You gotta push through. You gotta, you know what it reminds me of? You guys have. Try harder, yeah. You know what it reminds me of? It's like when I go watch a fight,

when I go to the UFC or I watch a fight, and then there's that fucking dude in the back side. Just punch him, dude. Dude, it's fucking too big. Just hit him, dude. Just hit him, dude. Dude, just hit him. Just hit him, dude. Just hit him. No shit, dude. That's the whole fucking point.

You're stupid. So when you're giving an inspirational quote, you're like, why'd you get hit in the face? Yeah, so when you get those inspirational quotes, like, darn, you just got to work harder, push through, and then you can do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like when people are clever when they're clever with them.

If you're going to use a quote, you're going to use someone like that, like be clever with it. Use it're gonna use a quote, you're gonna use something like that. Like be clever with it. Use it in a clever manner, other than just giving the most basic fucking motivational quote that everybody's all heard a million times. I was like, be original, just a little bit.

That's it, I guess that's it. Just be original. Try, at least. But it's getting crazy, it's getting even worse because of all these guys, see, now you have these new trainers that come in and they're all just like mimicking each other. And they think that all he must be doing so well,

he's with this company and he's doing this. So everyone starts. There is that for sure. Yeah, people just don't have their own original ideas. And you know, that's pretty typical. I mean, you're gonna look at somebody successful has millions of followers. Like you're just gonna try and carbon copy that.

I mean, all the supplement companies do the same thing. You know, they see one company that's killing it by getting all these ambassadors from everywhere to move all their product and keep them at a low percentage and all this. So, you know, they're highly profitable doing that. Somebody did it, I'm gonna do it too. And then they're just gonna do it till, you know,

people figure it out and then, yeah, the next thing. What's goes back to exactly why we're not with the supplement company right now. We're not with the supplement company right now because we have original ideas. We have our integrity. We actually look into the future. We actually have integrity about things.

And as cool as it would be to brand ourselves with a cool supplement company, so I don't give a shit. I don't give a shit about a supplement company, how big they are, what they have. If they're not gonna see what we see in the direction of fitness and care about the people the same way that we do.

We keep finding there's so little people that have like a progressive mind about this, right? Like they're just, because it's such a money-making machine, the way it is, it's gonna be really hard for them to adapt to the market. Well, the market's changed already. It's been proven. Get on board, do it, or get crushed. Right.

Next, Qua. Yes. Mitchell Cochran asks if you agree with Riptow, if that the overhead press is more important than the bench press. I do. It's more functional. Yeah, that's why I agree with you more. If you're really strong standing

and being able to press a weight above your head, you're gonna have more real world strength than if you're really strong, be able to push something off your chest or going on your back. That's gonna carry over to way more things. I mean, football, you can somewhat see just because it's close quarters and you're standing up and you're pressing forward

Because there's a lot of momentum coming at you in collision and so that's really the only case I could see where you know, it's that Like a one might super because even it we just even that case like still overhead standing overhead press is still going to benefit that person of course, yeah, yeah, strong mobile shoulders. Yeah, they are gonna be superior. Well, I mean, it's it's really I mean because people say what what the chest isn't functional. No, the chest the chest is functional. You need that kind of strength, but it's just for beaten on like yeah, yeah, but really the shoulders the shoulders are super involved if you're If you're if you're comparing one to the other, it's not even close to me. I mean You could go all day long today actually and probably not use your chest really much at all But you are definitely gonna you and that much you probably could are gonna use it in corporate a little bit But you're gonna use your shoulders quite a bit. I think about how often you use your shoulders

I mean use your shoulders. I'm doing this. How much use your shoulders. Yeah, the shoulders are getting utilized a lot more than your chest is and a lot more frequently. And you may not lift, you may not be able to lift as much over your head as you can obviously bench press off your chest. But when you talk about overall real world strength, which is what we talk about a lot. I mean, I 100% agree with them.

Yep, absolutely. There you go. All right, our last question today is from a new form member. Okay. Dirt magly. Oh, he's a man. Dirt tea. So he has a question.

So he has a question. It's a hypothetical. If you have to evacuate your house and you can only take three things besides your family and your pets. You can take your family and your pets. What would those three things be? Ooh. Oh.

Oh. Wow. I, I, I, I have, I evacuate that. I have to save this quickly. It's time to be here all day. Well, it's, it's, these are, uh, these are obviously, um, materialistic things, right? I mean, we're, we're, our family dogs, stuff like that

are gonna be, are, are obvious for everybody, so we can't pick those. Well, it could be like pictures or something like nostalgic, right? That's exactly what I would say. I was gonna say. I would say anything that involves like camera, computer stuff that you have, stuff like.

The priceless stuff. The stuff that doesn't really necessarily equate to the military. Really though? You can always get like, like the cloud, the cloud has got every. Well, no, there's some pictures and stuff that are old that I have yeah on the walls Okay, I'm not saving you more like this baseball I have from you got three okay world series

I want three from everybody. There's your baseball there's basically their name listen I should explain what it is because it's awesome okay, okay, so baseball I got a sign by Who's they could say go markuire, like everybody on that team. That's definitely going with K-1, too. It's so funny. It totally would have been my guitar, but that got stolen when I moved into my house anyway. So there you go. Those motherfuckers. Right., I'm so pissed about that

Yeah, so those two and then Shit, I'm really don't care man. I You go up and flames. I'll create it again. It's true because like my house got Maybe a year or two to go, my house got burglarized. And whoever the asshole is, and I hope you're listening, I'm gonna kill you one day if I find you. He or she, probably he,

stole a bunch of shit, right? But the thing that really hurt the most was they took, we had some gold, not gold like bricks or anything, but like jewelry from my baptism, when I was a, not gold like bricks or anything, but like, you know, jewelry from my baptism when I was a kid, from my wife's baptism, from my kid. These are things you can't replace. And it wasn't the monetary aspect.

I could give a shit about that. And then we also had a camera that we had never uploaded to our computer. And there were all these photos on there. And a lot of the photos were of us with my mother-in-law who had passed away. And so we never get those back. Those are the things that mean something to you. I could care less about the monetary shit.

That gets replay of insurance or whatever. It's not that important. It's the stuff you can't replace. Right, yeah. What are you laughing at? I'm just laughing because it's been a while since we've made me an asshole. So here. So here we go. I'm just laughing because it's been a while since we've made me an asshole. So here, here we go.

My quads. And I take my penis, pump. The quad would point, the quads box. The quad would burn up. I know I'm going to have materialist things. Fuck, I hate to say it. Well, first of all, so I can cover my ass on this. All my pictures that mean a lot to me, because that would mean are all up in the cloud.

I mean, they're even your nudes of you. Yeah, no, they're up there. They're up there in the cloud. So all my photos are up in the cloud. So they would be safe and protected. I don't have to worry about that. If I couldn't if I couldn't take all my watches, then I would and those don't count as a single thing and I'd had to count them individually, I would take the most I take'd take my Daytona, I'd take the most expensive one. I guess if I can only pick one of them, I'm going to take out otherwise I'm taking my watch winder box with all my watches with me. I'm going to grab my personal safe and I'm going to grab my keys to my SS and take my Camaro out of there and get the fuck out. So those would be, you know what though?

I'm going to grab my truck, but that's not inside that house. But they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they could, they, they could, they could, they could, they, they could, they could, they could, they could, they, they could, they, they could, but they could they could they might garage but the Camaro the Camaro things not really that's not a Material thing that's it's a house burns on fire. It's burning my come no no what I mean. I'm defending you Oh, okay, you need a chill bro. I got your back. Okay, get my back here. I like that's it that's it That's a that's a your car is it's a 68 Super sport you better save that yeah, that it's not like I've just a Camaro You just bought yesterday. I mean this is a this this is a car that is a kind of a collector. You don't want that shit to burn. We're going to get another one. No, no, you can't. You won't. And the and the and the one and each one of my watches have actually sentimental value to you. I think we've talked about this. I think I've talked about this on the show

before, but it's like milestones, right? Yeah. Each one of my watches I purchased at a per an important time in my life and something that I accomplished and they each represent something. So they mean a lot to me for sure. So I would, those things, and then obviously my save because there's fucking money in there. Oh yeah, and then all my trophies, whoops. I'm gonna say. I don't have that many hands.

But that's too many. I don't have that many hands. Dude, I have a, I don't even, mine are like buried in a fucking, do you still have trophy trophies? I can't even have all in like this box. I have a box for you know what I have can we bring 24 or once dude I have said oh I gotta we should bring him here sometime

I should you know what I want to see you as more oh yeah actually you were there longer than me now I won't I won't have more I actually I definitely will have more but I I'm glad I'm putting on my sports accomplishments why are you talking love you look at me when he said sports? Ah, because I know that, you know, let's compare apples to apples. I, dude, I have boxes and boxes of 24 of awards from 25.

Oh, I don't have that many. Of placards and awards and it's pretty funny. I got rid of all the plaques. So I have all the glass trophies. I've kept them. That's the only ones I kept. Did you get the million dollar ring? No, they don't do that for personal trainers.

That was the only for sales. Yeah. They only get, yeah. You guys got to go to white. And they stopped doing that. I came in. They used to give. They used to give a Rolex watch out.

That was the big thing for being the number one personal trainer. And then I got promoted to be an FM. They gave it up to the fitness manager. My first year that I was on pace for that, they took that away, which is what stemmed the whole. You know what, they did that right? Just the fuck with you. Of course they did.

Yeah, that drove me and motivated me to make the most money I had made at that point in my life at the time for sure. Doug, you missed one question up there, by the way. Oh, sorry. I lied about the last one. There is one more question from Jason Tensmith. Ask away. Yes.

What do you guys feel about a company like on it? Oh, on it. Oh, on it. Well, I like them. Probably one of our favorite subordinates. Before we say anything, I want to be very clear. This is 100% true. We have zero affiliation because we all have talked

about this company in the past. And so we're going to say some good things and usually we talk shit, but we have zero affiliation with them. We just like them. They actually are legit. Well, let's talk about why? Because the direction that they're going in where they're

right. It's how they started, right? I feel like they started with the mission to have that transparency. And they actually pay for studies and do these sorts of things. Exactly. In addition to just having a quality product.

They got a double blind placebo for trial study for their alpha brain, for example. It got published. It was peer reviewed. And they did that to give themselves, you know, backing to the product. They also, the products are based off of, you know, natural ingredients, wholesome ingredients.

Nothing crazy, but these are, you know, things that actually work that have been shown to work and endoses that work, and they have a lot of credibility, a lot of integrity. I even heard, I don't know the guy's name, but I think he was a CEO or the Korean. Robert Marcus, I think. Is that his name? I heard him talking on what show was it?

It might have been Joe's or Fighter in the Kid and right away when he's talking, I could tell the guy is very passionate about making quality products. I personally only have experience using two of their products. So, for my personal experience, I've used the AlfaBrain, which you guys know, I like that. And I just recently purchased the ShroomTech, but I haven't, I've only used it once, so I can't really comment on that.

But I did look at the science supporting a lot of their supplements. Well, I've actually bought some of their exercise equipment, like they have mace bells. I mean, it's just the thing is, it's like we're totally not affiliated with them. But like, yeah, it's like, they see it like we see it as far as, like for even from my perspective,

like bringing these sort of ancient practices back and trying to establish this more health, wellness, performance, everything kind of blended together feel, which is really where the industry needs to go. And we don't really highlight companies that talk great about companies, which I would love it if we could do that more often.

There's just not a lot of them. Well, here's the deal. Well, plus I'd like to get paid. Yeah, exactly. I know, I was like, well, I'm gonna stroke you off to somebody and send them to the store. That's the good point. Yeah. It'd be nice to get paid for that. But we're not, and it's okay. At the end of the day, though, it's not, we will definitely say good things about companies. Especially when someone asks us. Someone asks us a question like that. The first thing

we're going to tell you is it's a product that we either use or we support or stand by. And if it's one that we don't, we'll say why we don't. You know, I definitely think that we've always kept it real and raw here. That's, just so it's balanced though because we're talking a lot of trash about Yeah, some certain companies and whatnot and there are ones like on it out there that they're one of the one of the only But in reality people people have to understand too why we don't go around just searching that to tell everybody everything Because it's at one point mine pup has to be able to generate revenue to afford to be sending everybody that way too. Absolutely. But if someone asks us a question about some of that 100% we're going to be honest.

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