Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2021: Cutting Carbs Vs. Cutting Fat for Fat Loss, When to Start Your Weight Loss Journey With a Bulk, the Importance of Protein Quality Vs. Protein Quantity & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:02:26 If you take in a high amount of protein, one gram of protein per pound of body weight, the quality of the protein doesn't matter. If your protein intake is below that, then it definitely makes a difference. So if you weren't confused before this podcast start, you are now. Exactly. Welcome to the show. No, so studies done on protein, there's a lot of studies done on protein, athletic performance, muscle building. If your protein intake is within what they would consider

Starting point is 00:02:48 that optimal range, which is roughly around one gram of protein per pound of body weight in normal weight individuals, then whether it's from plant, egg, weigh, animal, like as long as they're complete proteins doesn't make a difference, really. It's gonna utilize it all the same. But if it's below that, then it makes a difference.

Starting point is 00:03:06 Then if you find, let's say you're eating half that amount of protein or less, well, then animal protein is superior to plant protein. So, when I used to train clients, I focused a lot on protein quality because it was almost impossible to get clients to eat, you know, one gram of protein per pound of body weight. But if I was training like a body builder

Starting point is 00:03:24 or like a fitness fanatic, I didn't care so much about what kind of protein they took in. Now, where does amino acid supplementation fit into this? Amino acid, there's a lot of studies on amino acid intake, branching amino acids, essential amino acids, and it doesn't make a difference of protein and take us high. If protein and take us low, branch chain amino acid intake or essential amino acid intake makes a big difference. So if you're one of those people

Starting point is 00:03:49 that just eats low protein, supplementing with those things can really make a big difference with recovery. But if your protein intake is high, it's literally burning money. Right. But I think with that in mind, like supplementing with protein powers versus amino, I'm just trying to think of the avatar of the person, is it like the ultra endurance runner that may benefit more from also supplementing with aminos, or is it just like I focus on getting protein exclusively and it's gonna cover it?

Starting point is 00:04:18 Yeah, so when I trained endurance athletes, I would have them take, because one 10 grams of way protein will have more branching amino acids than four branching amino acid pills. So I would have them do that. But you know who used to benefit the most from amino acid supplements were my vegans because they had a tough,

Starting point is 00:04:38 nah, if I could talk them into taking like a vegan protein, like if we had to organify back then with their vegan protein that tastes amazing, I would have been like take organ vegan protein. Like if we had to organify back then with their vegan protein that tastes amazing, I would have been like take organifier protein. But a lot of them just, it was tough for them to get the random amount of protein. Protein supplements back there were terrible, the vegan sources were terrible,

Starting point is 00:04:56 they tasted like garbage. They couldn't take weight because it was animal sourced. So I'd have them supplement with essential amino acids or branch amino acids, they would notice a different. But their intake was slow. So is it still a thing that in some gyms and body builders will still kind of sip on their amino drinks between sets and what not?

Starting point is 00:05:14 Is it like waste? Yeah, that's still, especially for that group, because that group ain't missing their protein intake. No, they're not missing their protein. Now, when I was in my early 20s, I used to take a branch channel amino acid pills, like six to eight of these things at night. And I used to do it when I, you know, either, you know, knew for sure or had a

Starting point is 00:05:34 feeling I didn't hit my, my protein intake. But based off of what you're saying, I would have been far better off, you know, taking a scoop of organifalide protein powder and mixing it with water real quick and chugging that down, then swallowing the six to eight pills. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's the part where I think people are mistakenly advice that we give. It's not so much that, you know, branch handlers don't work at all.

Starting point is 00:05:57 It's just that, well, what they do in comparison to something like a half a scoop of protein powder would do. It's like you're gonna get as much if not more benefits from that. And if you're using it with that in mind, like, oh, I'm taking these pills because I don't think I got enough protein in tape for the day. Okay, well, instead of doing that,

Starting point is 00:06:14 go get yourself a scoop of way protein, mixed with water, slam it real quick, and you're gonna get more benefit. Like Doug, maybe you can look up how much loose scene is in 10 grams of way protein or something like that. Like you're gonna get more loose scene, isolucine and valine, which are the branch treatment of acids in 5 grams of way protein than you would from, you know, 5 pills of branch treatment of acid.

Starting point is 00:06:34 Now, that's way, what about something like organifide? It's going to have a lower amount of branch treatment of acids, but still a lot because they're complete proteins, you know? So you look at 10 grams of protein from plant-based proteins, you're still gonna get two or three grams of branch amino acids in there, which would be a lot of pills, right? So, and all the other essential amino acids

Starting point is 00:06:53 which also have benefit. And then, the not essential ones, which if your protein intake is not at that optimal rate, like all the amino acids make a difference. So, 11% of way would be losing. So, that's a lot, right? So people, I remember one person in particular, was a friend of mine, we would do Jiu Jitsu together,

Starting point is 00:07:11 he was a vegan, and we were talking about this once, and I would tell him about protein, and he goes, well, I don't like all the protein powders or vegan taste disgusting. He's like one of those guys that just, people are super fitness fanatics, we tend to not care about the taste of stuff, but he's like, they're gross. Like, and I was, you know, we're talking about his diet and I figured, I was probably

Starting point is 00:07:30 only eating like 60 grams of protein a day. He's a 200 and something pound guy. So I said, take branch, she minn't acid pills before and after jujitsu and see if you notice a difference. And he's like, bro, game changer. Now, he would have noticed way more of a game changing, you know, a fact if he just took the protein powder. Yeah, protein powder. But yeah, protein quality, it mattered to the clients that I trained because getting a client to eat one gram of protein per pound of body weight was like,

Starting point is 00:07:58 it was so hard, it was so hard to do because it was so satiety producing and people don't realize how hard it is. Even 130 grams of protein for somebody who was 150 pounds, a lot of protein. I guess you could make the case then for somebody who is an athlete. I'm thinking back to when I was playing basketball and lifting weights and struggling to build muscle, that I probably would have benefited from taking the branch in amino acids before and after the workout, knowing that 60% of the time,

Starting point is 00:08:29 I'm only hitting my protein intake. And so sure, half the time I'm taking it, and it's not really doing anything for me, but at least I'm getting it on the other half of the time when I'm definitely low. And so there would be some value there. Because I guess that's the case where I see, and I-

Starting point is 00:08:44 This is why a lot of people see value when they supplement with it. Right. And I understand too, the idea of consistently taking something so you get in the routine and habit. So, okay, good. You hit your protein intake. Yeah, I'm kind of wasting money

Starting point is 00:08:56 by just taking these six to eight pills today. But I'm staying in the routine of doing that because I know overall, I tend to miss consistently. And so then there's some, well, what's easier, you know, you guys trained lots of people, like I did, like what's easier getting someone to take, you know, five pills before their workouts or hit their protein intake targets.

Starting point is 00:09:15 Five pills. Yeah. So this is why so many people are like, oh, I see the studies. Why is it such a big market? It's why so. Exactly. It works because people don't hit their protein, but if you hit your protein targets, there's a waste.

Starting point is 00:09:25 Total waste of money. Speaking of nasty stuff is a bit of an aside to that, but it reminded me of when we used to play in the N1 tournaments, this is like a long time ago, the very first three on three tournament, this is where they rolled out the first version of Power Bar. And so they cut it up and they're handed out as like samples.

Starting point is 00:09:45 And dude, that was so disgusting. And it was like a little brick and it was just like tasted like cardboard basically. But like that was like the big hype and everything is like Apple Cinnamon and you know, it was supposed to be like get you protein and get you all these nutrients and everything to you know, fuel your performance and your game.

Starting point is 00:10:05 And I just was remembering like, wow, this is fucking awesome. That's gotta be- Who owns power bar? Yeah. That's gotta be the first mainstream- Gatorade, maybe. Energy bar? Yeah, the first mainstream-

Starting point is 00:10:18 That's right, they mark as an energy bar. Yeah, like the first mainstream like meal replacement, slash energy bar, slash pro-tune. Who owns them, Doug? Looks like post. Like the old man. Oh, old cereal, old cereal. They didn't own them originally. They probably hauled.

Starting point is 00:10:32 Oh, Nestle. Of course, Nestle. There you go. So I used to eat power bars, which were mostly carbs, anything like eight grams of protein, if I'm not mistaken. Maybe look it up the macros, I wonder if they change them, but I used to eat power bars as a kid, because there's still 10 grams of protein.

Starting point is 00:10:45 It was a supplement. They do make, they actually, power bar make a 20 gram one. They do have a higher one. They still have their original 10 gram one, I think. Yeah, they were like sweaty. Yeah, they're sweaty. You know what I'm talking about?

Starting point is 00:10:56 They were so gross. Oh, the chewy, it was just like, man, they've come so far. Like now you get like, quest, yeah, okay, it tastes like cake. Okay, that being said though, I trust that it's better for you than some of these bars. Like the nutrients are probably actually in there. Yes. Like that's,

Starting point is 00:11:10 I feel like, you know, it probably had what it said it had in there where a lot of these bars now are like glorified candy bars. You want to know what you want to know? You want to know? Candy bar with some protein in it. Bro, I had an aha moment when I was, uh, honestly, 15 or 16 when I started to learn about macros and stuff like that a little bit on my own. And then there was, I was watching the world's strongest man, Mario's Puginowski, I don't know if you guys know that guy was, he won a couple tournaments,

Starting point is 00:11:33 looks like a bodybuilder, so he don't look like a strong man, looks like a bodybuilder. And they had listed his diet. And he ate like, I wanna say like five or six Snickers bars a day. And I remember he's all like candy with the hell. And then I remember like I got a Snickers bar and I got a power bar.

Starting point is 00:11:48 And I compared them. I was like, it's almost the same. Man, you got that. I was actually Snickers. You figured that out. It took me to my 20s. I was actually reading the back of a detour bar. And I remember grabbing it.

Starting point is 00:12:00 And for some reason either my buddy or someone else had like a Snickers bar or something. And I remember looking back and it was like, oh my God, the only thing that D tour bar had was 10 more grams of protein. But I'll say two Snickers. Yeah, then the Snickers bar did not go. Oh, that's so funny. I mean, was that your guys's favorite candy bar when you're kids?

Starting point is 00:12:16 Snickers or was it? No, I wasn't a big snickers guy. I like Snickers. You know, it was always the peanut butter chocolate combo. So it was for me, it's always been Reese's. Oh, yeah. Like I would, I would reach for that sometimes. I like the baby was a baby Ruth. Baby Ruth. Oh hell no with coconut. No, maybe Milky Way Oh, that's all enjoy. Oh, yeah baby Ruth is like a peanut and it's like a male It was basically like a like a peanut nugget thing with like surrounded with a bunch of peanuts and salt

Starting point is 00:12:44 You guys remember that? Yeah, it was basically like a peanut no get thing with like surrounded with a bunch of peanuts and salt You guys remember that? Oh, yeah, it's actually pretty good. The almond joy has got to be if you ever want to if you ever want to divide a crowd Bring up almond joy or mounds, right? It was the coconut that's in there That's all my joy isn't it? All my joints are same as that. Yeah, I've got an almond on the top of it. Oh, that's the difference Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no. Everyone you're a kid and you know when you see girls, trigger treating and you get to, oh, yeah, I just throw them.

Starting point is 00:13:10 You're trying to train them. Yeah, all these blue ones over here, nobody wants. Did I tell you guys, for my birthday, that Jackie sent me, that day, she listens to every episode. She, I think she's listened to, she's getting like circus peanuts or something. Yes, so she's heard, she's heard us talk about on the podcast,

Starting point is 00:13:24 how I like cheap candy, like candy corn and circus peanuts. And I got a package at my house. Like those gummy coaks. And it was like, it was a bunch of circus peanuts. Yeah. Just because like, what was it gross? Me and a railing, it's like, yeah.

Starting point is 00:13:38 He liked it too. So good. Dude, I have to bring this up because here, like go ahead and timestamp like Adam was right finally it happened What finally it happened? Yeah, I Somebody out there is tallying this up and there's a lot closer than these Woodshop teacher I mean yeah, the woodshop teacher. Oh, yes, you see that circulating now You know not still people don't know I sent it over to my aunt and then they're like

Starting point is 00:14:05 What are you sure and those pictures so like I mean I kind of read a little bit. Okay, so the reason why it's the reason why it's not fully surface is because he's not gonna win his court case if he does Let's explain that to my aunt. They're like are you sure they're these not like this is true And I'm like well, he's and I guess he's in the middle of like a court case with the school district. School district. And obviously, if he's just fucking around and trolling, he's going to lose his case. Like, that's his way of.

Starting point is 00:14:32 So this is the wood shop teacher. And I remember what school is a Canadian school who showed up to school with prosthetic boobs that were gigantic with big old poke out nipples. Zoom. More like a, like a real thin like a real thin shirt over it. And the school was like, he's identifying this way, we can't kick him out. Do you know it's a real condition

Starting point is 00:14:53 that he's identifying us to? What is it? Oh yeah, it's like, look it up, Doug. It's like that article. Big tiditis. No, it's like, it's called like, giantism or something like that. And it's like a very, very small percentage

Starting point is 00:15:07 of the population have it. And so he literally, like, the dude did his homework before he did, it's a massive troll. So the theory, exactly, the theory that you said, which we all, which I was like, I don't know if that's true, was that he's doing this because he's trying to like,

Starting point is 00:15:20 he knows that they can't get rid of him if he does this because apparently they were trying to get rid of him. So he did this, but they caught him them off campus people have taken pictures of him He doesn't wear these things outside of school So any though even though I couldn't confirm this when it hurt when it first came out I did Watch or read I don't remember where I saw it, but I remember watching a reading this clip on

Starting point is 00:15:42 Hit a student that was in his class and said they knew him and was like this is not this teacher This teacher is like the total opposite of this and he's been caught saying things What's your point of him being a woodshop teacher and I've been in a lot of like classes like that and industrial arts and there's not a whole lot of That energy Okay, I mean statistically speaking industrial arts and there's not a whole lot of that energy. Let's listen. Okay, I mean, statistically speaking, what is the teacher to... He's going to solve the liberal to conservative ratio is like 70, 30, right? Of like liberals to conservatives in the school districts, right? Something like that.

Starting point is 00:16:22 It's something like totally lopsided. The 30% I would argue comes from your wood shop class and you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're

Starting point is 00:16:37 like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like you're like, train. What a great way to, I mean, if it is indeed, if that's indeed what he's doing, what a great way to poke fun at the whole thing?

Starting point is 00:16:48 Totally. Because think about it this way. If it was a woman, did you look up the condition? There's breast fetishes. No, no, no, no. Okay, did you look at the, first of all, there was, you sent Doug Doug,

Starting point is 00:16:59 thank you producer too. Oh no. What is it, Andrew? Tweedle D. Oh,. What is it Andrew? Tweedle D. Oh, you're not. Oh, the other producer turned you off. I look at that. Look at that. Sensor shit going on over here. What is it? Gigantos. Nastia.

Starting point is 00:17:17 Gigantos. Gigantos. What percentage of it? Let's take it. The hair dries by excessive breast growth. But that's excessive breast growth, but not necessarily wanting big growth. So that's when it claims to have though. Oh, I see. Even though the prosthetic. It's real and you think something's...

Starting point is 00:17:31 Oh, okay, got it. Right. So it claims to be the real, and so that's like his whole, his whole case is on that. So if he gets caught saying that it's all a massive troll, it's not gonna work. So I think like... You've got some breasts. So I think he's been hiding until all the stuff that's done.

Starting point is 00:17:49 Yeah, because what's funny about this is if a female teacher showed up and she wore a tiny thin shirt over her boobs, she would have got reprimanded. But because he is a key and he puts them on and says this is how you know you're done. Okay. They don't know what to do. Do you think the opposite of that would, they would have got away with it in terms of

Starting point is 00:18:10 like a woman, then having a humongous, prosthetic deck. If she said I identify this way, then they'd be in a, in a box. In a gray sweatshirt. Yeah, I think they'd be in a cross. I got a gray sweatshirt on it. I had to put that stuff. Zoom, okay. I mean, that's, that's, that's interesting. So you're, it's funny because when you said Stop. Don't zoom, okay.

Starting point is 00:18:25 I mean, that's interesting. So it's funny, because when you said that, I was like, no. Like, oh my God. I mean, it was the first thing they came to mind for me. I just thought, this is too over-the-top ridiculous. And this is what inevitably was going to happen with how ridiculous this was getting was sooner or later, somebody was gonna push the limits and be like,

Starting point is 00:18:43 okay, if you continue going down this rabbit hole, like what comes out of this and then it's like, how you gonna push back on some of this? Well, it's interesting, because also that reporter, this is to where we're like, oh wow, this is a troll, but it was actually a reporter that then dressed exactly like him in costume with the prosthetic.

Starting point is 00:19:01 Yeah, and went into the, they had like a teacher board meeting with the parents and was kind of presenting this and like everybody left and nobody wanted to like acknowledge his presence or anything and like. And so it was interesting because, you know, the rules were all there within the setting of the school but then once the parents were involved,

Starting point is 00:19:25 it was like scatter. You just, all you have to do, if you wanna like deal with this is be consistent. That's it, just be consistent. Whether they're real or they're fake, whether you identify one way or another, if it appears inappropriate and it's inappropriate, that's all.

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Starting point is 00:20:32 Now, forget the fact that every study ever done on soda on humans shows lowering testosterone, higher fat, you know, body fat levels, worsening health. This 15-day study done in China, so we're going to have fun with this, Justin. Done in China, shows that the mice had higher testosterone and larger testicles. Okay. One, I wouldn't trust the study at all. Because I'm already shelving that one. Yeah, it's 15 days and it's mice.

Starting point is 00:21:04 Two, here's 15 days and it's my two. Here's a conspiracy theory. I think they're putting shit out like this. Two reasons. One media is about clickbait. So it's a clickbait article. You know, they don't say it's my 15 days. They just say Coke makes your balls bigger. Whatever.

Starting point is 00:21:16 And everybody wants to click on it. Two, I think they're trying to make everybody just sicker and fatter by missing by by misleading everybody and saying drink more so that's the weird conspiracy theory, right? I mean, I think that's crazy, but possible. Lane did a really quick breakdown on it. And one of the and there's several things that he pointed out, but the one that's like so obvious to me that I right away was questioning is just that there's no there's zero data around the nutrition. Yeah. Oh, they don't know what else they did or yeah.

Starting point is 00:21:45 So I mean, like, if somebody like excess, it excessively ate one day or one, the other group didn't eat hardly much, and they just drank, like all that stuff would impact that for sure. The other thing. So that's ridiculous that you didn't even control. And the other part of it is, we have a, I don't know, philosophical

Starting point is 00:22:02 and economic rival like China. It's not hard for them to put out bullshit studies knowing that our media is gonna pick it up. And it's going to cause some changes in people's behaviors or prevent changes. Was this a study done there? Yes it was. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:22:17 Interesting, I didn't know that. That's why I said that. Oh, that's interesting. I didn't. Because it's not hard for them to put out knowing that our media is gonna pick it up because we have free media here. And people will read it I'm so excited. I'm so excited. I'm so excited. I'm so excited. I'm so excited.

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Starting point is 00:22:42 I'm so excited. I'm so excited. I'm so excited. I'm so excited. I don't believe, I'm not gonna believe anything first and you're gonna have to confirm or prove to me the validity of anything that I see on the internet anymore. And then people are just gonna keep screaming for some kind of like bored to make sure that like all this misinformation is accounted for

Starting point is 00:23:02 and you know, only, we're gonna filter through all this for you guys. And like, who makes up this committee? And like, dude, how much trust does the American public have at this point in any kind of like, you know, board of group of people? So this is where I go with my conspiracy theory. Is that the goal is To create so much mistrust. There's more more regulation more groups to be that they can that they they they can gain support Yeah, for regulated media. That's it. Because then the I mean, I don't even think that that's not a conspiracy theory That's just that's like the playbook one-on-one for government. Yeah, I mean, that's the way you get government to that's

Starting point is 00:23:41 I really how far are you in the all-in rate latest podcast? Oh, I'm only halfway because that's that's you get government to. That's, I really, how far are you in the all in rate latest podcast? Oh, I'm only halfway. Because that's kind of like, like, Friedberg's big thing, because he's like, he challenges the other guys. He's like, listen to everything that we talk about, like the eight topics we have today. All of them are like, we're frustrated about

Starting point is 00:23:59 what's going on here and all of it, we're pointing in the direction of, who are we blaming? We're blaming like a side of the government, which is then the only result, the resolution to that is to create some sort of regulation around that. That's more than, yeah, add more. And he's just like, I don't think that's the way we solve this. And I think we have to be careful of every time something goes wrong that we immediately

Starting point is 00:24:25 want to blame aside. It doesn't matter left or right, but we want to blame aside and pick out a boogie man. And then, okay, how do we resolve this? Oh, we need to have more regulation around this, which then in turn creates all these this this board rules. It seems like it's been escalating in terms of like real events that we need news reporting on that we're not getting news reported on. Like, you know, it's a bit in Ohio. Yeah, you know what's filling that hole. And this is why I'm such a big believer in markets.

Starting point is 00:24:54 Like when social media, when it was coming out that they were censoring quite a bit and it was kind of leaning into one direction or whatever and people like, you know, people on one side were saying, we need more regulation. And the other side was like, it should be free, which is funny. When it goes in your way, leave it, when it doesn't go your way, we need more regulation. And I was always like, let's see what the market does, because there should be a market demand and signal

Starting point is 00:25:16 for something that's more open. Sure enough, Twitter gets bought by Elon, Twitter becomes more, quote unquote, open, if you maybe you believe that or maybe you believe it goes into the direction, that's fine. This is these are market signals. So with media, what's happening now are what are known as citizen journalists. And you're seeing more people go to these places, report, yeah, substacts, reporting themselves, posting themselves on social media,

Starting point is 00:25:40 and journalists who now no longer work for a media organization but go off on their own and just become independent journalists. There's a few of them that have done really well. There's one guy who's been on Joe Rogan's podcast a few times. Can't think of his name right off the top of my head, but you have that. Yeah, Matt. He is on his own. He just a journalist by himself doesn't work for anybody. And he's he helped with a lot of the Twitter leaks, right? Yes. And I love that. He's much more independent. himself doesn't work for anybody. And he's... He helped with a lot of the Twitter leaks, right? Yes, and I love that. He's much more independent.

Starting point is 00:26:09 He doesn't have, it doesn't seem like he has as big of a bias. He doesn't have to necessarily listen to stuff. Well, that's also an example of just allowing the free market to do its thing, too. Instead of getting, instead of being so, and that's including how we're guilty of the, freaking out over what was happening with Twitter and stuff. Well, eventually what happened is that shit gets out and then people like this that are reporting on their own.

Starting point is 00:26:32 And there'll be a competitive market for it. If you allow that to take place, but if we scream and we freak out, and then we demand answers, demand change, demand regulation, well then we just grow government that way. So is that really the best answer? And I don't think it is. No, because if people who don't trust the market, which is basically consumers, they say, well, we can't trust consumers. Well, that's a huge base of people.

Starting point is 00:26:59 You're looking at millions of millions of people. You could put more trust than millions of people because there's more likely to be more honest people within that, just like there's dishonest people, than trusting a few, right? A few in power. So we got 10 people now who control all this information. Well, that can really go sideways.

Starting point is 00:27:14 And historically, it's proven to be true, so. There was an interesting little kind of conspiracy in terms of on Netflix. There's this, I think it's a movie or a show, it's called like white noise. And it literally predicts like pretty closely to like the East Palestine stuff that's going on there. So there was this truck, this tanker truck that like slams into a train and that it derails

Starting point is 00:27:40 and then all of a sudden like all of these chemicals spill out and then they blow it out. like all of these chemicals spill out and then they blow it up. So all this basically gets played out in this TV show or movie. And then we see it in the news cycle and it's like, it's pretty eerie. That is weird. Well, what is that call worth?

Starting point is 00:27:57 And they talk about this with certain dates and some of that people have predicted a long time ago. There's like so many things. We have so many variables that if you cherry pick one from here, it's a no-stardomis effect. He just says things. There's like a, there's enough, but if it's called that,

Starting point is 00:28:11 but that was like the, the main thing, he just like covered so many possible predictions that like, and we're so big as a society, there's so many variables, there's so many moving parts that if you, it might be named after the Simpsons. Isn't there something after the Simpsons?

Starting point is 00:28:26 Oh yeah. They predicted so many things. Dude. There's been so many episodes about how many decades. I mean, that's a good example though, of exactly that, right? They've done so many crazy things. It's like, it's only a matter of time before

Starting point is 00:28:36 that you can be sure you're... They've been predict... They've been predict, they've been predict like, teres and stuff. Yeah, kinds of stuff. Yeah, there's all kinds of illuminati stuff in there, it's prehilarious. Did you guys see that? You guys, one of you kinds of luminody stuff in there. It's pretty hilarious. Did you guys see that? You guys I one of you guys I heard talked about an aquarium who talked about the aquarium

Starting point is 00:28:50 They just went gone. Oh, I had gone up. You just got to you hear that Maybe pretty soon here you won't be able to use your camera in there. Why so just somebody took they were taking a picture And the flash from the camera blinded one of the fish and one of the fish swam and committed suicide in the glass. Boom, and then started bleeding. That traumatized like, look at the video. To like flash kills or blinds and kills fish. And you see that you watched the video.

Starting point is 00:29:21 I mean, it like it slams the glass and the like blood starts coming on. Oh, that was suck. A few kids. Oh, yeah, there's a bunch of. I mean, it like, it slams the glass and then like blood starts coming out. Oh, that was suck. A few kids. Oh, yeah, there was a bunch of kids all around and everything like that. So, yeah, they're talking, and then obviously, there's obviously a bunch of people that, you know, are in...

Starting point is 00:29:34 Which aquarium was it early? Yeah, it's in Okinawa, in Japan. Dude, that's the video though, that top one I can tell by the, just the, by the... When you go to these aquariums and you see some of the sizes of these fish, you just realize how big some fish are. Like, and it's not just sharks, it's like just regular fish. Big ass fish. I remember the first time that I saw tuna fish. I would have never thought tuna because it comes in this little can. I remember as a kid when you ate tuna forever, the first time you saw like a tuna fish, you're like, oh shit,

Starting point is 00:30:04 that's a why such a little can for such a big ass fish. Yeah, you know, that they're tuna fish swim like incredibly fast, like some of the fastest fish. Oh, look, there's the flash watch. Oh, that's terrible. No, no, watch you see the see the fish freaking slam right into the right in the glass and then the blood starts coming out of it. Oh, here's the crazy thing using a flash for pictures in a glass tank. Yeah, you're not gonna get a good reflection. So that's sad. Well, what are you gonna do?

Starting point is 00:30:30 The whole thing is sad. You know, we got fish in a tank. We're just looking at it. They're pretty big tanks, so yeah. Well, they're massive tanks, but if you're a big whale shark, you know, it's probably not that much space. You know that thing?

Starting point is 00:30:42 Well, no, then they shut down all the like sea rolled like with the whales in there and somebody like that, they don't have that. Do they still have them like in, I don't know if the small tanks like that anymore? I know they definitely took a hit with the tendons for like, because of that black fish documentary, but I don't know if they actually like removed. You know, they've never been able to keep a great white

Starting point is 00:31:01 in a tank in captivity for longer than I think like a couple of weeks or whatever. For whatever reason, they can't figure out why they can't keep it alive. They'll give it food, they'll get everything. And for whatever reason, they just can't keep it. They just dies. It dies.

Starting point is 00:31:14 Really. It has to do with something with the electrical signaling that it receives and you know, how it reads things. You can't quite figure out why. You know what I think is wild is how they will, like if you buy a fish like that, it'll grow to the size of the tank. Oh right.

Starting point is 00:31:29 So you could buy like a shark that could potentially get up to like five feet but you put it in like a little tiny tank, it'll only grow so it'll only grow so. Like a metaphor for life. Yeah, kind of. Make your space bigger or whatever. You guys know, one of the gyms,

Starting point is 00:31:40 did you guys need one of the resources? Neither one of you ever worked at the Club 506, right? Sunnyvale. So there was a fish tank behind the front desk there. It was big. Yeah, oh yeah, did Capitol McKee have a fish tank? No. Okay, so we had a big ass fish tank

Starting point is 00:31:54 and there was a shark in there. Somebody actually maintained that fish tank at 24? They did. I did not know. They had some random person come. There was a shark, there was an eel, a moray eel in there, and there was a clownfish.

Starting point is 00:32:06 Wait, no, was it clownfish? It was, anyway. Blowfish. No, it was the, we, we, this is terrible to say. We were, you know, I was 19 years old, I don't know, you better. We could go to the fire. Bro, we throw a goldfish in there.

Starting point is 00:32:18 We throw a goldfish in there. Or like, it's a little piece of hamburger in there. And the moray eel would come up and eat that, you know, the hamburger, and we think it'd all cool or whatever. And I think, I think we little piece of hamburger in there. And the more you'll come up and eat that, you know, the hamburger and we think it'll all cool or whatever. And I think my mom died. I think we might kill one of the fish, dude. I had a whole day for a long time.

Starting point is 00:32:32 They're hard to maintain, man. Saltwater is not easy. I killed so many fish. They're expensive. Yeah, they're expensive fish. They're expensive to maintain. And I wasn't ready for it. I like, I've always wanted koi fish.

Starting point is 00:32:43 They're worse to have. Why? Well, okay, in a tank they are. If you have them out in a pond. That's what I mean. Yeah, that always wanted koi fish. They're worse to have. Well, okay, in a tank they are. If you have them out in a pond. That's what I mean. Yeah, that's not a big deal. I had good like dogs. So, because they're so, so I, I don't know how many thousands of dollars I, I spent on

Starting point is 00:32:56 fit killing fish, right? Trying to, trying to figure the saltwater thing out. And eventually when I did fuck this, I poured it all out, went back to freshwater and bought a bunch of koi. Thinking that was right. but they shit so much. It was my filter eyes having to clean like every other day because of how much they shit. Now they're super hearty fish and they could they'll survive in almost anything, but they shit like crazy.

Starting point is 00:33:16 And so if you have them in a tank, it's like fuck it. Every decision you made at that age was based on how cool it looked. 100% dude, 100%. You're all white house. Oh wait for a shirt. I had one shirt. I had one shirt. I had one shirt.

Starting point is 00:33:32 That was used to be really cool. And for a while he survived but then eventually eventually I want to vacation or something. Speaking of fish, have you guys ever I know butcher boxes known for the grass fed meats but have you ever gotten there some of their wild caught salmon? I haven't done fish them. I do, I do chicken and obviously all their, their, their red meat. I do to them, but I have yet to do their fish. So we get their salmon because Aralius will eat it and they flash freeze it. So flash freezing is better because lowers the explain that. So they, it's frozen very quickly rather than slowly in like a traditional freezer.

Starting point is 00:34:05 And that reduces the histamine production in the fish. This doesn't matter for most people, but for people with histamine intolerances. Is that makes it a case of you? Look at flash flash flash. Yeah, I'm trying to understand. So a traditional freezer, it takes a slow time. So it's in my time for that.

Starting point is 00:34:20 And it builds up like crystals. So it's a flat freezing. So a flat freezing is like super, super cool. It's got to be like, I believe cold. I believe so. I believe so. I'm having Doug look it up, because I'm not quite 100% sure. What does that say?

Starting point is 00:34:32 So freezing foods at extremely low temperatures with circulating air. There you go. So they call it blast freezing as well. Yeah. So there you go. It keeps ice crystal small, which prevents moisture loss in the food.

Starting point is 00:34:44 So when it's flash frozen, the meat of the salmon tastes fresh. It's just taste fresh. I wonder, is there like a at home versions of that that we can have? Like the flash. I would imagine if you flash froze anything, then it would be better than if you froze it traditionally. For flavor. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:35:01 I don't think there's an at home flash freezer. I mean, there's got to be. What's that? It might be dangerous. There's got to be what that would be I might be dangerous like a cool dutch gift right here. Doug would do that. I know how to oh it says right there How to how to flash free So it's at home involves quickly freezing uncovered pieces of food and packing the frozen portions into air. I would think there's a piece of equipment though. Yeah, I would use equipment too. There's gotta be like a vacucily. Yeah, mini version of this.

Starting point is 00:35:27 There you go. It's a blast chiller here. You can't buy a grand. I don't know if I'm ready for a gift like that for you, Doug. Oh, come on. Wow. Look how expensive they are. They must be good.

Starting point is 00:35:36 Well, Doug would use something like that. He said that's why I only have so much freezer space. Oh, okay. Yeah. Speaking of butcher box, I looked up today, the Omega 3 fatty acid content in grass fed meat versus grain fed. You guys wanna take a guess the difference?

Starting point is 00:35:53 Ratio wise? Yeah. Okay. Give me what it is in non. Well, I don't know what the, the amount is. I don't know how much more to it. Oh, how much? Five times as much.

Starting point is 00:36:04 Five times? Five times as much Omega 3s in grass fed as much omega-3s in grass-fed meat than grain-fed. And then CLA, conjugate a linoleic acid, which is a fatty acid connected to fat loss. In fact, people will supplement with it. Everyone used to sell that. That would used to be one of the top fat loss supplements sale. Twice as high in grass-fed meat as in grain-fed.

Starting point is 00:36:22 Wow. So all things being equal, calories, everything being equal, if you ate a lot of grain fed versus grass fed meat, you're going to have a lot more of the healthy fatty acids in the grass fed than you will. Well, I've been supplementing with my fish oil. It's all ever since, yeah. You notice anything? Well, and Omega 3s are like one of the staple things you always hear either like a functional

Starting point is 00:36:43 medicine practitioner or a doctor will recommend is your vitamin D and omega omega three's are normally so just by you eating the grass head beef you're five times more five times more as much as five times as much pretty crazy. Yeah, so sports guys. I'm gonna ask you guys about this. What do you guys think about this? Jake Paul. It's sound. No, not that. So it sounds like is it just me or like crazy It sounds, no, not that. So it sounds like, is it just me or like crazy, weird fight sports just emerging at an hour? Oh yeah. Well, we've been talking about this.

Starting point is 00:37:11 Like it's getting more and more like niche and weird. But you see this more, like it started out in Russia. They had these weird like, like fights where they, where they'd have like a few guys fighting a few guys and they had like platforms where they would jump Or then they were like in full armor and nights fighting each other and now you know the states were seeing slapboxings The thing now pillow. There's a professional pillow fight. Yes, there's the pill that one's stupid though professional That's stupid. Hold on. I watched it. They make money were stupid fighting with pillow like with you know

Starting point is 00:37:42 It's like rolls. No know it's dudes with pillows who wants to see that you know it's way cooler than that have you seen it have you seen the jiu jitsu in your car yeah that one's cool I like boxing you guys telephone booth they say I like that one to the two guys they start

Starting point is 00:37:58 you have to start your seatbelt seatbelt is on right and then they go aren't the hard goes you got to get out of your seatbelt and they go so good I would watch that I would watch that that to me is with the pillow fights lame though I mean his dumb pillow fight league literally embarrassing it is I when I first saw them like would they put in the pillows like like yeah like like like like like rock they put in there no it's a part of and they're blasting each other with the pillow

Starting point is 00:38:21 how you win this dumb oh man I used that one that one. So when you were kids sleepovers, you guys do pillow fights, right? Of course. Well, you guys shake your hands. I'm gonna go ahead and say, you know what? I'm gonna go ahead and say, you know what? I'm gonna go ahead and say, you know what? I'm gonna go ahead and say, you know what? I'm gonna go ahead and say, you know what?

Starting point is 00:38:38 I'm gonna go ahead and say, you know what? I'm gonna go ahead and say, you know what? I'm gonna go ahead and say, you know what? I'm gonna go ahead and say, you know what? I'm gonna go ahead and say, you know what? I'm gonna go ahead and say, you know what? I'm gonna go ahead and say, you know what? I'm gonna go ahead and say, you know what? I'm gonna go ahead and say, you know what? I'm gonna go ahead and say, you know what? I'm gonna go ahead and say, you know what? You guys never You guys ever played doctor

Starting point is 00:38:56 For us to play telephone You guys ever played does that tickle you Tickle time. Hey, buddy. Hey, you played too close. Shut your face. Shut your face. You're fudge it. That's awesome. Oh, man. I'm sorry.

Starting point is 00:39:12 You say it's almost an hour, dude. Listen, I was gonna say this. You get a pillow. A down feather pillow, you can squeeze all the feathers to one side. You can get someone pretty hard with that. I mean, yeah. That's all. You can make it hurt, but yeah. It would hurt enough. It would hurt all I'm saying is all I'm saying is we got a pillow fight. I do pretty well

Starting point is 00:39:34 I trust you on that one I want to hear I want to hear what you had to say about the chat GPT, because I wanted to talk to you a little bit about one of the conversations that I heard Chamoth have on a show. And so what did you see or what are you reading as far as? So I read this article written by some economists who also worked in the tech industry.

Starting point is 00:40:03 And they were saying how it's a big bubble because right now these are basically predictive computers that predict what it's supposed to say and because they're fooling us into thinking that they're giving us new information, we're overvaluing its value or overestimating its potential value. And it's like it's not creating anything new.

Starting point is 00:40:25 Because it comes across a particular way, all this money is pouring into the space, and he's saying it's a big bubble that's gonna pop. That's what I'm interested in. So do you disagree? Do you agree? Because I know we've all agreed. I mean, I think it's a bubble just

Starting point is 00:40:38 because everyone's excited. So I kind of agree. I don't know if I'm over valuing its value. Okay, so I agree. So I, but that doesn't take away from anything that I said in the past about how unbelievable it is. But I think the point that you're making is so true. I think like anything else when we see new technology

Starting point is 00:40:56 or that the entire, I mean, the, the NFT crypto, yeah, exactly. But okay, no, no, I wouldn't put it in that category of a bubble. Like, so, Jamal was in this interview and he talked to, it was talking to I can't remember who he was talking to, but he referenced something that Warren Buffett said. And Warren Buffett made this comment that the guy who in whoever invented refrigerators made a lot of money. But the company Coke, Coca-Cola, who utilizes the refrigerator.

Starting point is 00:41:25 Made way more money. And he used that analogy referring to chat GPT and AI right now. And so the technology is going to be revolutionary like the refrigerator. I really believe it's going to be like that. But the companies that are going to make the huge money are the companies that find ways to utilize that technology

Starting point is 00:41:44 to further advance their industry or the companies that find ways to utilize that technology to further advance their industry or however, right? Oh, that's interesting. Which I totally agree. Like we're, I mean, we're moving in that direction. I think that if we can utilize some of its abilities, it's willing to enhance our business to another level and give us the competitive edge

Starting point is 00:42:01 compared to somebody else that may be doing something similar. So I see it like that. And so I do believe it's still that amazing. I wouldn't put it on the NFT, which I think that's just a complete trash. No, no, no, there was a lot. I can see it being more as like an upgrade

Starting point is 00:42:14 to the current way that we use the internet, right? Like in terms of like I have to go through and like manually put in the search. And you know, yeah, now you can do kind of voice the text and you can surre it and all that, but to be able to have an answer at that speed and then as a business owner and be able to use that and it sort of answers for you and represents you,

Starting point is 00:42:36 I mean, that's just gonna speed up all kinds of production. Yeah, the reason why I said NFTs in crypto is the technology, blockchain technology, definitely is going to be here. And it's going to be utilizing in ways that will be revolutionary. The bubble was that everybody jumped on board and said, it's this crypto or this NFT or this is what's, well, I mean, you don't know. Now you're comparing two different things in my opinion.

Starting point is 00:42:58 Like, so the block, talking about the blockchain is one thing. That's what I meant. NFTs are utilizing the blockchain. Yeah, that's what I meant. That's to me is a different situation. It's like NFTs in crypto, I'm less of a believer in it. And that doesn't mean that both those technologies, by the way, won't exist.

Starting point is 00:43:16 I think the way that we use NFTs, I start with cars, Rolex watches, I see all kinds of value in utilizing it, but it turned into this like this art movement of just everybody creating this stuff. And at any time there's a new innovative technology. It usually starts out in a bubble because there's a lot of hopes and dreams

Starting point is 00:43:36 and a lot of things have to get ironed out. Like there was a tech bubble. There was a dot com bubble, remember that? When a website, anything that said dot com generated or got, I should say tons and tons of investment dollars. Yeah, because it was like the next big thing, anything that said dot com. And then it popped because, you know, it has to get washed out.

Starting point is 00:43:54 You have to see what's actually sticking and what doesn't stick. So I agree with that with the AI bubble in that sense that everybody's throwing money in, but they don't quite know where to go. Do not like the Warren, but I love the way Warren Buffets. I mean, I they don't quite know where they're going to go. I do not like the Warren, but I love the way Warren Buffett said. I mean, I just think that's a great way to look at it. It is like, it is that big of a deal.

Starting point is 00:44:11 Like imagine before refrigerators, and then that technology coming around, like how incredible that was for everybody. I think that what we're seeing with chat, GBT, and these AI services is like that, but the people that are going to make the huge money are the companies that find ways to utilize that technology. That's what's going to explode. Automating things and creating new products like through that platform is going to be real interesting to watch.

Starting point is 00:44:38 Yeah, increasing efficiency is a big deal. People don't realize how big of a deal that is. If you can increase the output per worker by 10% what that means for our own productivity, the economy efficiency, products, more innovation. I mean, that's- I think there's more disparity though. From endists. In terms of people getting lazier and other people that are actually productive being way more productive. Yeah. I mean, that's 100%.

Starting point is 00:45:05 That's been with everything happened in the internet. Television, radio, all those things. I mean, made smarter people, but probably made dumber people the same time. Well, you're gonna have a greater disparity, but everybody moves up. Like poor people today have more stuff.

Starting point is 00:45:19 Yeah, the base will go up always. But the very wealthy, they're the wealth that they have now is just, oh my god, it's the same's all the richest man in all of history was Railroad no, no, it wasn't this African Look up richest man in all of history Of exome like trillion dollar king Solomon or something, someone else. Oh, this is the ISAhera, right? It's like related to that.

Starting point is 00:45:46 He was around that kingdom. Yeah, it's like because of the amount of gold. Mon Samusa. Yeah, look up it. What would his value be today? Or modern day equivalent of 400 billion. Oh, then he's not. But that was last year in November.

Starting point is 00:45:59 So that's probably more like 600 billion. He was the wealthiest man of all time, right? That's according to this. Yeah. So, okay. I'm just wondering because that was like near one of my favorite theories of front land. This was that I have Sahara that that's located somewhere up there in the northern part of Africa. But it's like a secluded area that looks like it has rings just like the concentric circles. You know how Plato describes that for Atlantis. Yes. They had like these waters surrounding like these concentric rings of land.

Starting point is 00:46:36 And so it was like fit all the descriptions that he laid out there. And there was like accumulated like the most gold in that area. And I believe this, this who you mentioned was in Kingdom. Damn, Justin. That was great. Yeah. Just all point. Yeah, no, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:46:56 I don't know. That's 100% what I remember reading. Yeah. Pretty wild. I don't know any of that. Well, I wanted to bring up. Yeah, I wanted to get into something. I get into something in my pillow fights. Well, I wanted to bring up your story for me. I gave in to this show. You're still being in my pillow fights.

Starting point is 00:47:05 Yes. I think that's the truth. Bro, you killed me with that. I almost lost all the track. Are there people that are still finding treasure and gold and random life? Yes, dude. How often does that happen?

Starting point is 00:47:19 I don't think happens a lot, but there's actually expeditions out there looking at you. Yeah, I know there's a lot of crazy people. I know there's a lot of crazy people that are that are treasure hunting. What I mean, how often does a treasure hunter find some sort of a treasure? Well, see, here's the problem. There's no need to get big news anymore either. Yeah, but here's the problem with that.

Starting point is 00:47:37 If you find ancient, give it for the government. Yes, you find ancient treasure. The only way you'll get rich off of it is by selling it on the black market. You cannot do it legally because it is, it'll be owned by the state. It's considered an artifact. So if you find some like, you know, like thousands of your old artifact and you're like, oh my god, this is like priceless, you have to sell it on the black market to some collector for X amount of millions of dollars. Because if you make it public, then it goes. You don't think you can get, you don't think you can get away with saying it was passed down your your in your family Find this big old box of gold pieces. I'd be like yeah, that's my great great great great

Starting point is 00:48:13 Mother he saved it for me Look at shafers. Yeah Not believable you guys did you look up how many treasure hunters find their treasure? I mean, there's a lot of treasure being found according to this. America's most successful treasure hunters have discovered hundreds of millions of dollars worth of lost gold jewels and other precious artifacts. So there are people out there who are successful. How, you know, half of the gold I would think of finding something like that would be to be able to reap some of the benefits. You got to give it away. You don't

Starting point is 00:48:43 get to, you know, get to, if it's an artifact, it's not yours, dude. Oh, and technically you have to give it to the possession. It's nine tens of a lot of tens of them. A lot of tens will give you like a finder's fee, you know, like some reward. So they'll give you like something out of it, like consolation prize, you know, like for, for, for, for doing it, but yeah, you have to give the majority of it to the local government where it's, you know, yeah, like if you found like a, like a have to give the majority of it to the local government where it's located. Yeah, like if you found like a, like a Ferro's crown

Starting point is 00:49:08 with like jewels on it. You ain't gonna make, you guys right to the museum. Yeah, you gotta go black market, dude. You gotta sell it to some mob boss or something. Yeah, you don't, I just say, you know that, you just keep it in your family. Okay, so here's the fact, this is why I wanted to bring up. Someone comes over your house, what's that?

Starting point is 00:49:23 It's real. So did you guys know, okay, I already brought up the Sphinx is like, there's all this like mystery around it because it's just like the oldest, one of the oldest like man-made monolithic, yeah, like statues out there. But so things, I mean, it is one of the things out there. There's rocks that are old. It's so like like Dr. Shock, it come up with this whole things out there, right? There's rocks that are all over there. It's so like, like, Dr. Shock, it come up with this whole theory about water erosion and all this stuff, it's controversial.

Starting point is 00:49:50 But what I didn't know was that it actually had a beard. Did you guys know that? Had the beard get to, you know how, like, like the pharaohs, they had that like, little raided, skinny beard beard go-t thing right? So originally had that it had fell. They reclaimed it and I think it's in the museum, the British museum, but I had no idea that they actually like confirm that because it was speculated

Starting point is 00:50:19 that what it used to look like. Because there's always theories of like maybe start out as a jackal, maybe start out as a lion and they lion, and then they changed it. And then they changed it. And so here's actually and I actually subscribed to this and Courtney kind of like we were watching this documentary about all this stuff. And it's she was like, I wonder if like they were trying to restore the original. Maybe it was like this long jackal head and they were kind of carving it down. And over time, they made it look like this other ferro, I forget the name of this ferro,

Starting point is 00:50:56 but because you know how it doesn't have an a nose, like they've, maybe they fucked up and, you know, the nose fell and then they buried it. Because it's proven that they actually like, it was buried with a bunch of sand. And so it wasn't like just over the years, like all the sand just like covered it, like it was deliberately buried.

Starting point is 00:51:17 Yeah, so the theory is that the sphinx was there way before the Egyptians. Yeah, and they built over it and around it. Yeah, and then they carved the face to look like a Pharaoh, but you know, you know what's compelling to me is the water erosion argument. Nobody counters that. Yeah, because it's legit. Like, if you know what water erosion looks like, I'm not an expert, but it looks just like that. It looks like water, but it was in water. Yeah, which would mean it's way older. Well, the only people have a problem with it are the egetologists

Starting point is 00:51:46 because they'd have to rewrite their entire timeline. Damn, damn it's down there. This is what's the hypothesis. That's what it looks like now. So it doesn't have a nose. So, you're saying that was completely buried? Yes, it was buried. They literally uncovered, I mean,

Starting point is 00:52:03 I think the top of the head might have been just barely sticking out, but it was deliberately buried with sand. Oh, interesting. Yeah. That's wild, dude. Yeah, so it's actually carved out of the bedrock, I believe. Yeah, pretty great. Hey, did you guys see that they're going to do another Star-Chingen Hutch?

Starting point is 00:52:19 What? Yeah, remember that show Star-Chingen Hutch? Yeah, but is it the show or is it the movie that they recreated with Walberg? No, it's a Star-Scheon Hutch? I don't know if they really... Who was... Yeah, it was Walberg. It was the Magic Mike guy and...

Starting point is 00:52:32 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What's his name? You know his name? John Hill? Yeah, John Hill. Oh, was that 21, 21, John Street? Not bad, you know. So I think it was...

Starting point is 00:52:42 Walberg. So they're redoing Star-Scheon? No, Ben Stiller and Owen Wilson, wasn't it? There,. Wahlberg. So they're redoing stars. Ben Stiller and Owen Wilson, wasn't it? There you go. Totally. But they didn't call us, started, they call us stars, you know, Hutch? Yeah, they did.

Starting point is 00:52:51 Yeah, they were. So they're doing a series, they're going to redo the series. And it's, it's a remake. So the story is it's their kids, but it's their daughters that are now going to be the detectives or whatever. So there's all this uproar because they're remaking another show and making the lead female. So a male show that they're turning female,

Starting point is 00:53:09 which tends to be the trend. Well, it worked for Ghostbusters. Yeah. I wish they could not really. You know what makes me upset about that? Is it ever work actually? Yeah, that'd be a good question. Which show did they ever do that that it worked?

Starting point is 00:53:20 See, it's okay. Charlie's Angels were really good, but it was the original was the same. But they started out with that. Yeah. So, it's okay, Charlie's Angels were really good, but it was the original, it was the same guy. But they started out with that. Yeah, yeah. So, it makes me think like, do they just not have any writers that can come up with original anything?

Starting point is 00:53:32 Is it, it's always borrowing off old shit? Well, I mean, it just changed the gender. And I know I referenced the Hitmakers book and because it was such a great book and it covers so much stuff like this, that almost everything is dude. Like everything is rooted, very, very few people have like this completely random

Starting point is 00:53:52 new idea, it's built off of. Because it costs more money. Not only that, but I mean, I just, we've, we've, well, the humans want that. Does the thing, it has to be a predictive element to it. We want that.

Starting point is 00:54:03 Like there's a part of us in a story and in music that we want some familiarity to it, to be attracted to it. Otherwise, if it's completely like new and there's no familiarity, there's it's much harder for people to even latch onto it. And so, I mean, it's a proven method. And so of course, and it's time-tested I don't, I think almost everything we watch or seen, I mean, I remember that as a kid, right? I remember, I remember, you know, my uncle or whatever, that would ruin movies for me all the time. Oh, the original was bad.

Starting point is 00:54:33 Yeah, I get all excited. And he'd be like, oh, this is not the original. And I'm like, what? Like, there's always one before, you know? That's true. They did do that, even when we were kids. Yeah. What would be a movie or show that you guys grew up with that you would love

Starting point is 00:54:46 to see read the remade or a spin off? You guys have any often I have one that I brought it before on the show that I still wish a writer would just take this idea and do it. Yeah. The story of Mickey. Of course a spin off more him when he was a boss. That actually I thought I heard that it was coming out. No, you know, I just did see Speed of the Rocky series.

Starting point is 00:55:05 So there's another Creed coming. Is that it? It was like part three or whatever of that. Yeah, I was in a big fan. No, it was all right. It was all right. I mean, I really was a big fan of Creed and you know, Rocky and Apollo's story.

Starting point is 00:55:20 So I always wonder like, okay, now has your boy watched all of them with you? He's watched uh Rocky IV guñes. I want to see that remade. That would be great. Yeah, they're kids. Yeah, that would be great Yeah, it'd be really cool. Yeah, I like I feel like kids today wouldn't watch it because they'd watch it And be like this is so unrealistic kids going around with no parents. They're no one no parents now with all My mother phones, you know, and then that's what makes sense What was it do that was realistic? You know saying there's there's what makes it some good for us to do. That was realistic, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:55:46 There's a chance you could get away all day like that. We're not like kids today, kids day with these people. But that might be interesting, right? It's like shows you gotta go out and explore and venture. I would love to see another breakfast club. That'd be kind of cool. Kids go into detention, take your electronics away. I love those kind of movies.

Starting point is 00:56:00 I forget the director, but they did a bunch of those. I do appreciate when, and I'm trying to think of an example of how I wanted to do like this, where a series or a show will piggyback off of like an old one, but then they will integrate like today's time and technology. Like I appreciate that. Like if there's like a story or a theme I've seen before, I'm like, oh, I've seen this,

Starting point is 00:56:22 but now they've integrated like the phones and texting and like how that would have evolved or changed that storyline. You does that. You do that. You on Netflix. You realize this current technology. I like that. It was a great, the latest you is great.

Starting point is 00:56:36 Oh, so good. So good. And I was like, oh, no, it's only like four episodes. There was five for you guys to get to know, like, man, that is great. Why is it that we like it so much? Well, this one actually, I liked that they changed it up a little bit, and they made it more like murder mystery,

Starting point is 00:56:53 you know, sort of style, which is, it's fun, you know, and it's like, oh, who's the person? I think it's because the flawed hero, and he's very flawed, it's a winning formula, you know? It's a winning formula where it's like, like the sopranos was like that. Like everybody, you love Tony Spino. He's like, he's like, he's like,

Starting point is 00:57:12 he's like, you kind of want to think he's a good guy, but you know, he's a killer, you know? And you're like, is he going to go back to the way he is? But everybody kills as annoying, or something about them you don't like, so you're kind of like, yeah, kill that person. Justified.

Starting point is 00:57:26 A little bit, you know what's funny? Are you know what I pointed out? There's this scene in you and I told Jessica, I said, watch, this is how funny consumers are. You know the scene where he's going hunting with that one dude? And they're shooting birds. I'm like, I bet you, they'll write in here

Starting point is 00:57:41 that he doesn't shoot a bird because they know that the audience won't like him anymore. Sure enough, he refuses to shoot a bird. Like he's a fucking murderer. They got kills people, but they know that if he shoots a bird, they want to make him the exactly the people they really want to make him likeable. Yeah, people are like, oh, I don't like that anymore. There's a new twist.

Starting point is 00:57:57 Oh, that's funny is that. Oh, so that's interesting. You took that take from that. You know what I took from that was that the inner struggle to even want to kill. It's not that he likes to kill. That's what I got from that. You know what I took from that was that the inner struggle to even want to kill. Like it's not that he likes to kill. That's what I got from that. I got that's what the writer was trying to do. I just got, he was trying to hide the fact to that guy that he knows how to shoot a gun and kill.

Starting point is 00:58:15 Well, so yeah, so a little bit back to. He never killed the gun though. Yeah, he always kills with like a knife for someone. Yeah, I just felt that like here's an opportunity where he's just killing a stupid bird, but then inside he has even a struggle to kill a bird. So I thought that's again another way for you to connect to him that, oh, he's not a bad guy.

Starting point is 00:58:33 Yeah, well, because he also makes the comment that he's like, he's, I'm pro gun control or something like that with the guns. Like, oh, I hold on this gun. Remember how you think you can hear his thoughts? Because I'm pro gun control. I'm like, oh, he's a serial killer. Like, this is so funny. But Jessica said the same thing.

Starting point is 00:58:46 He's so virtuous. So they're trying to show that he's conflicted. Yeah, you're probably right. Yeah, that's what I thought. That's a part, that's what I got from it. I get where you're saying too though, but I mean, again, what a good show though. What a great show, the fact that it is incredibly writing.

Starting point is 00:59:00 And you're right, they are an example of how they use today's kind of technology in like who does it with a stalker in serial killer. So well, well done. Who do you got for a shout out today? All right, today's shout out is Lane Norton. What's his handle? Bio Lane?

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Starting point is 00:59:48 enzymes for fitness enthusiasts like you. If you're interested, go check them out. Go to masszimes.com forward slash mind pump and use the code mind pump 10 for 10% off any order. All right, here comes the rest of the show. Our first caller is Jeff from Texas. Jeff, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Hey, how's it going? Good morning. Good. So, um, question about macros, um, specifically about which macro, uh, I should, I could, I should focus on cutting out of my diet first when going into a calorie deficit or, or cutting phase, uh, been in a, been in a bulk for, I guess, uh, or a calorie deficit or cutting phase. I've been in a bulk for, I guess, or a calorie surplus

Starting point is 01:00:28 for about six months now. Put on roughly about eight pounds maybe, looking to cut about 5% of body fat, get from 15 to 10. I hear a lot of things on the internet, read a lot of things. I just wanted to, you know, I trust you guys and I wanted to see what your guys is going to take on on that. Any idea where you're at right now as far as your macro breakdown total calories? So, I'm about 39, about 3900 calories, about 250 on protein, 120 in fats, and about 450s, I think, I think I'll have a number of journey in front of me, but I think it's about 450 carbs. Yeah, that's from San Ana. I weighed to 205, I was the last time I weighed in Monday.

Starting point is 01:01:25 I weigh to 205, I was the last time I weighed in Monday. That's, I mean, that's, for me, it feels kind of easy. I cut from carbs. Yeah. Your fat is fine. I mean, you can cut fat too, but the fat's already 120 if that many calories is, yeah, I wouldn't cut fat too much. You can get a little bit, but I do it mostly from carbs. Here's the thing about carbs.

Starting point is 01:01:42 They do feel good workouts. They do help contribute to the pump. They can help contribute to muscle growth, just like all the macros can. But carbohydrates are not essential. So we have the most flexibility with carbohydrates. What that means is you could go zero carbs. I'm not saying that's where you should go, but you could go zero carbs and you would still get all the essentials you need from your food.

Starting point is 01:02:04 But Adam asked the right question, which was what numbers you're at now. Now if you told us that you're eating 100 grams of carbs, but your fat was, you know, 200 or something grams, then I'd say we could probably cut from your fat, but your fats, okay, 120 grams of fat, guy your size, that many calories, 450 grams of carbs. Carbs will be easiest to cut. Yeah, your setup for actually a good, good round of carb cycling. So, if you're eating four, four hundred and forty grams, I would then make my high day 500 and then I would do like a medium day at like three, three hundred and then a low

Starting point is 01:02:43 day or two at like two hundred or even even 150 and then just cycle like that. And let the carbohydrates and let pretty much keep everything else the same. Those medium and low days average out to lower calories. Yeah, we'll average out to lower calories per week. You'll still have that high day that will feel good for those workout days, which I would try and time that on days when you're lifting, right? I wouldn't want to waste having a high carb day and it'd be an off day. But yeah, I think you're set up perfect for that and you wouldn't have to do much other than just cycling through some carbohydrates for about a month or so. And I think

Starting point is 01:03:21 you'd see some good, I take a little bit longer to get 5% down, but I mean, say a month and a half, and you should be there. Yep. So my plan is, my plan is to go through this deficit for about 12 weeks. Is that a reasonable goal for a person? Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. That's less than a half percent a week.

Starting point is 01:03:38 That's perfect. You can be as aggressive as a percent a week. I'm gonna advise it. That's pretty hard. You probably lose a little muscle with that, but I mean, 5% and 12 weeks, you should be able to keep a decent amount of muscle mass if not all of it. I think in a month's time, you'll see a difference already. I think you're in a good place. You have a good amount of calories or eating good carbohydrates or your proteins balance.

Starting point is 01:04:00 It sounds like you're in a really healthy place. How's your training? Are you following any maps programs? No, sir, I'm not. And actually, I just got an email on the maps and a ball that I've been in. And I'm really, really tooling about getting into that. Just been kind of doing my own thing. It's kind of being a student of the nutrition and the programming part and just trying to learn my thing

Starting point is 01:04:24 as well, but I'm really giving a hard consideration on the, give me a typical lifting week. So I'm breaking it down into a push pull leg lower body day. Doing that push pull, push pull lower body, push full lower body taking a day off. I'm usually trying to get about 8 to 10, 8 to 11 exercises per workout, I'll split that up to about 3 exercises, 2 exercises per group during that program. Like, you know, like if it's a push day, three or four on chest, one or two on shoulder, two or three on triceps, and then doing the same thing on the pool

Starting point is 01:05:13 in the lower body days. Oh, you're working out six days a week right now? Trying to, yes. Yeah, I'm absent of ball to advance, it'll be great for you. That's our newest program. I think this will be the first one we're giving away. I'll give you, I'll give that to you. You'll love it. Oh. I appreciate that. Yeah, you'll love it. That'll that'll that'll put

Starting point is 01:05:28 some muscle on you for sure. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You got it. You got no problem. I appreciate everything you guys are you guys are putting out there. It's good solid information and that's why I wanted to come here and ask my question because I knew the information I got from you guys guys I get them Like I get interested. No, awesome Are those are those figurines in the back yours or you're in your kids room? No, I'm in my office. Those are those are bubble heads from baseball games It's point events that I haven't been to I'm a sports fan. Good deal specifically the hearing Houston

Starting point is 01:06:03 So yeah, that's what that is. This is a little decorational model. No, they're not. Good deals. Follow your adjustments house. Follow up with this Jeff. I actually would love to hear. I'd love to hear how you go through the program because you are a perfect candidate for the program and where you're at. Caliwise. I think you're in a, like, so I can't wait to hear your results. So follow back up with us. Let us know how it goes in the next couple months. Absolutely. Well, thank you guys. Thank you. I appreciate everything that you guys do. Thank you for, thank you for helping me.

Starting point is 01:06:28 I'll predict this right now. He'll follow maps and a ball advanced. If he doesn't do two aggressive as of a cut, I bet you his body weight doesn't change much. He'll drop body fat percentage and gain muscle. Yeah, he, this is a great place right now. I mean, where he's at, you know, macro and calorie wise, I think is, is and then following a new program like that, I think is like a 500 calorie cut max, I mean, which keeps him high and his calories so high anyway. Yeah, I think he'd be totally okay with that. He's gonna be good. Our next caller is Megan from California. Megan, how can we help you? Hey, thanks for having me on. I'm going to apologize in advance. I had to take

Starting point is 01:07:06 this call in my car and it just started hailing like two seconds ago. So if you hear it in the background, hail, no, yeah. Yeah, so I had a question about, I just don't know whether or not you should bulk if you already have a pretty five body fat percentage. So for reference, I've gained like about 30 pounds since the beginning of the pandemic. And I'm trying to get back into strength training and losing body fat and building my metabolism back up. And I'm kind of confused as to, you know, will your body use the existing fat that you have to build muscle, like as an energy storage source or like do I need to be eating in a caloric

Starting point is 01:07:52 surplus in order to build muscle at the moment? And should I even be doing that or should I focus on cutting first? Megan, there's two, there's two parts to this that we need to address. So first off, can your body use stored body fat as an energy source, which then can potentially help you build muscle or whatever? Yes, it can, although that's a tough way to do it. The body doesn't like to burn and gain at the same time,

Starting point is 01:08:16 but it's possible. But the second part is, how do I know if I should bulk? Body fat percentage is one factor that I consider, whether or not I put a client on a bulk. The other factors which are more important to me are how many calories you're currently eating, what do your energy levels like? How do you feel? Okay.

Starting point is 01:08:35 So, do you know, are you tracking your calories, do you know where you're at? Yeah. So, I was at like 1750 and then I just went up to 1850 and you know that's another thing like I'm going based off these online calculators of like what my what would be a deficit and what would be a surplus and so but at 1850 right now I'm pretty much maintaining but I'm also going to the gym so I don't know if I'm just putting on muscle. How long have you been at 1850? It's like four weeks. Oh, and you haven't gained any weight. No, not pounds on the scale. No. Awesome. You feeling stronger? Yeah, for sure. I can like lift more for sure. Oh, that's great. Okay. So, so here's where I would determine whether or not

Starting point is 01:09:17 we want to put you on a bulk or a cut. You want to look at the calories you're at and then think to yourself, can I go down from there and be comfortable at maintaining at that lower calorie? So if you're at 1850 and you want to lose body fat, you probably have to go down to something like 1350, which is low to maintain. So I'd probably want you to slowly reverse diet until you get to a point that you can comfortably cut from. So probably around 2500 calories, something like that, so that when you cut, you're sitting around 1850 and that's your cut from. So probably around 2,500 calories, something like that, so that when you cut, you're sitting around 1850,

Starting point is 01:09:48 and that's your cut calories. So the reverse diet would be slow, you would also do strength training, get your metabolism to speed up. The ideal is that your body weight doesn't really change on the scale, but you do find yourself feeling a little leaner, a little more sculpted, because your building muscle

Starting point is 01:10:03 is your burning a little bit of body fat, and then from there we cut. Does that kind of make sense? Yeah, that makes sense. So in order to reverse that, would I just be like, uping my calories by like 100 calories a week until like, reach that point? I would actually, I would actually bump you 100 to 200 calories a week at simultaneously increasing your steps walking. So you have this nice gradual like you're more bumping the calories. And if you do a good job of bumping the steps by, I say like 2000 steps. So right now I see you're at 6 to 8,000 steps a day. Like next week a good

Starting point is 01:10:35 goal would be like let's bump our calories 200 calories a day and also increase steps to 10,000 steps a day. Like that would be and more than likely what you'll see happen is again the scale probably won't move. And then I would try and do that again the next week or in two weeks from now. And I would keep incrementally increasing your steps and your calories until we get to a better place, say 25, 2600 calories, like Sawa's saying. Cool. Awesome. Yeah. Doug, do we have, we have a reverse dieting guide available, right? Yeah. Okay. Megan, I'm going to have we have a reverse dieting guide available, right? Yeah, okay Megan, I'm gonna send that to you because that'll break it down in better detail also what program are you following?

Starting point is 01:11:10 Yeah, are you following the maps program? No, I'm not following any of the maps programs. I've honestly probably looked at the list like 10 times and I can't figure out which ones like best for me Anabolic, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're gonna put you on anabolic. We'll send you maps and a ballic and the reverse dieting guide and then follow those and I think you'll you'll love the results. Awesome. Thank you guys so much. Here's one last thing, Megan. I want you to give it a follow-up, okay? Let us know how this is working out, you know, 60, 90 days from now. Let us know what happened. Give us a little review and tell us how

Starting point is 01:11:40 your body feels. Heck yeah, yeah, I definitely will do that. You got it. Thank you for your time definitely we'll do that. You got it. Thank you for your time. I really appreciate it. You got it, thanks for calling in. You know, this is so like, you know, old hat for us when we talk about this, like we're used to it, but to be somebody on the other end

Starting point is 01:11:55 who's never done this before, or if you've heard about this for the first time, it almost doesn't make sense. Like you like, we increase my calories. I'm gonna just gain a bunch of body fat. I'm trying to lose weight. Yeah, it's like, there's increase my calories. I'm going to just gain a bunch of body lose weight. Yeah, it's like, there's so much flexibility with the metabolism. And what we're trying to do is speed up your metabolism,

Starting point is 01:12:11 which makes weight loss more sustainable. Otherwise, you end up in a position where lots of people have seen themselves, where they cut their calories, end up losing weight. But then they're like, their maintenance calories is like 1100 calories. Well, nobody can man. I mean, how can you maintain that for the rest of your life? It's a really tough position to be in. So, you know, I wouldn't, I actually would never tell my clients that I'm actually putting

Starting point is 01:12:32 them on a bulk or even tell them that I'm even trying to increase their calories. All I, what I would say to them is I would target foods. So like, we would, we would assess her diet. She would come back and she'd say, hey, I'm eating 1800 calories or whatever, or she was started at 1700 calories. I look at her protein, I'll get her fiber, her sugars, I look at all the foods and then I would look at something in there. And always, and when I look at it, assess a diet, there's always either too high of sugar, not enough protein, not enough fiber, not enough healthy fats. There's always either too high of sugar, not enough protein, not enough fiber, not

Starting point is 01:13:05 enough healthy fats. There's always something that I can add to her diet. It's usually all those. Right. It's normally all of them, but there's always at least something that I can add to her diet. And instead of telling her we're cutting or we're bulking, I just go, you know what? What I want you to do is make sure you get this every day or add this much every single day or hit this amount of grams of protein every day knowing that what I'm doing and then just slowly increase her that way without her ever really knowing that I'm slowly increasing her core intake and reverse dieting her out instead we're targeting foods that her body wants and needs and

Starting point is 01:13:41 that's what's going to help her overall with her metabolism and her fat loss goal. That way they don't get in their own head of like, what? This behavioral hack. Well, it is. It's making me bulk like this is crazy. Yeah, I mean, look, the words you use make a big difference as a child. Yeah. So you say bulk.

Starting point is 01:13:56 Do counting backwards is always really effective. Well, look, reverse diet and bulk are the same exact thing. The reason why reverse diet was diet was a term that was invented is because nobody wanted a bulk when they want to lose weight. Reverse diet sounds different, and it gets connected with the fast metabolism. Bolk and reverse diet are the same thing, they're both calorie surpluses.

Starting point is 01:14:14 So the words you use make a big difference. Our next caller is Lori from California. Hi Lori, how can we help you? Hey, hi. I have a question about proteins and specifically like the different different kinds of proteins and what I really need to be like informed when I'm trying to meet my protein goals. And I'm coming from a place where you know, I started lifting about 13 years ago and started with a bodybuilding trainer right away and fell in love with it and always kind of

Starting point is 01:14:53 trained like a bodybuilder. Never had to never follow the the diets because I had my own eating that worked for me. Always super strong and fit. And then COVID happened and Minipause at the same time. And so I was, I was, you know, not lifting as heavy. I was lifting in my my garage by myself and lost muscle. And at the same time, I was cooking waffles for my kids who were home all day and we all kind of gangway, gang fat, lost muscle and it went around the middle like it does in menopause. And so the last year or so I've been working on getting it off and what I found that works for me is intermittent fasting. And so I've been eating, you know, in eight hour windows. And then now, for the last several months back in the gym lifting heavy and trying to gain back muscle, while still eating within this

Starting point is 01:15:57 window to try to keep them, you know, minipaus belly away. So I started, you know, I was fasting overnight and so I was working out fasting because I worked out early morning and I felt strong and move in the way, but I wasn't like, you know, my muscles weren't getting bigger. So I started using this perfect amino product that's supposed to be not break afast, and be 99% bioavailable. So I'm wondering, you know, is that, does that work? Is that, you know, something that can work with the fast? And then the last, the last couple of months, I actually started taking, drinking a protein

Starting point is 01:16:43 with carb while I'm working out. And that seems to be helping, but I don't know. It just, what's the best thing for me to do while still trying to, like, you know, keep my eating window narrower because besides the belly fat, it also makes me feel better all around. I'm sleeping better. I'm more energetic. You know, so there you go.

Starting point is 01:17:06 Lori, when you're doing the intermittent fasting, do you, are you also tracking the total grams of protein that you're having in the day? Do you know what that is? I was not. I have been lately though. I've been really trying to get 170, at least. Figure that's probably about what I weigh 170. And I'm doing that,

Starting point is 01:17:30 but I'm including these perfect aminos in the morning and the evening, which they say is like equivalent to, you know, 30 grams away protein. Okay. So amino acids do break a fast. So anything amino acids do break a fast. So anything amino acids would break a fast, any fats would break a fast, any sugars would break a fast. Nonetheless, the benefits that you're getting from fasting, we're gonna talk about the energy separately, okay?

Starting point is 01:17:57 The weight loss effects that people get from fasting really is from the reduction in calories that the structured eating tends to move people in the direction of. So when people eat in a structured way, or they say, this is my eating window, when you look at their total calories, they tend to eat less,

Starting point is 01:18:13 that's where the weight loss comes from. Now, as far as energy and how you feel is concerned, some people do notice better gut health when they have a larger window of not eating because of the reduced activity of the gut. You know, I'm one of those people where I just tend to feel better if I don't eat for a certain period of time because my gut health tends to be a bit sensitive. So that could be part of the issue, although I would also look at the types of foods you're eating, you may be eating foods that aren't

Starting point is 01:18:40 quite necessarily digesting well for you. And I would also revisit eating outside of that window to see if your body feels different now by eating outside of it. As far as all the other stuff you're talking about is concerned, it really boils down to tracking your total calories and your macros. If your eating window feels good for you, then that's great.

Starting point is 01:19:01 If it doesn't make a difference, if you experiment moving out of it and it doesn't make a difference, then it really doesn't matter. The benefits of fasting tend to be pretty much relegated to the spiritual effects where people can break attachments to food, where they can find themselves not reaching for things when they feel a particular way. There are some potential gut health benefits that come from eating in a fasted or from eating in a window, but that's very individual. So I hope that answers some of your questions.

Starting point is 01:19:32 The greatest challenge that I have with my clients and my female clients in particular with intermittent fasting is consistently hitting their protein intake. And if you're a little bit short of 170, that's not a big deal, but if you look after, you know, two or three weeks of tracking consistently and you see, you know, 30% of the days, your sub a hundred grams of protein,

Starting point is 01:19:59 this could be a major reason why we're not building muscle, we're not getting stronger. So I would definitely assess that. I think the idea of the eight hour window, I mean, if you could open the window to now a 10 hour window and get an extra 30 grams of protein in to make sure you hit that, I think that's more valuable than following the structure that they've laid out for the points that sales making. But that would be the main thing that I would. And then as far as the amino

Starting point is 01:20:25 acids trying to compare it to 30 grams away, I wouldn't do that. I think amino acids, when you're low calorie, your endurance trainer has muscle-sparing benefits to it. But as far as building muscle off of using amino acids, if you were a client, I'd far, we would be pushing to get that through whole foods. I would want you to do that. Does that mean that occasionally you do that because you're on the go and it's better than nothing? Absolutely. But my goal would be like, I want you to eat your 140 to 170 grams of protein every day.

Starting point is 01:20:56 Yeah, so proteins are chains of amino acids. And a full complete chain is what makes a protein. And within that are essential amino acids. These are the amino acids that you have to eat because your body can't produce them itself. And then within those essential amino acids are think like branch chain amino acids, which have their own particular value.

Starting point is 01:21:17 So if you're eating a high protein, now the data on amino acid supplementation is very, very good. There's a lot of studies done on amino acid supplementation, both essential amino acids, non-essential amino acid supplementation, individual amino acid supplementation, branch immunosupplementation, and the data is pretty clear. If your protein is high, supplementing with amino acids does nothing. It's a waste of money.

Starting point is 01:21:41 If your protein is below what would be considered optimal, then it makes a difference. So let's say you're a 170 pound female and you're not obese, so that's closer to your lean body mass and you're consuming 60 grams of protein a day, supplementing with essential amino acids or branch-shamingo acids would make a big difference. But if you're eating 170 grams of protein a day pretty consistently, you can throw away your amino acid supplements not doing anything for you. It's just the waste of money. And the marketing about it, not breaking it fast, it's just that, by the way, it's pure marketing.

Starting point is 01:22:13 A fast is water. Anything outside of that quote-unquote breaks it fast. One last thing I want to comment on is sometimes people get so stuck in this rigid eating window that they find themselves cramming more food in this eating window so they can have this period of time without eating. And they find themselves almost stuffing their face and it tends to become this like binge restrict model of eating where they find themselves like, I gotta eat all this food because I only have so many hours. And then, okay, I can't eat anything now

Starting point is 01:22:45 because I'm in my, my fasted period. If you were my client, I'd tell you to move outside of that now. And I'd say, let's track total calories. Let's look at your proteins, fats, and carbohydrates. It's perfectly fine to work out fast, and especially if you work out real early because you don't wanna have to wake up earlier

Starting point is 01:23:02 just to eat, but then I'd have a meal afterwards. And if it feels better to eat less in the morning, then that's perfectly fine. Are you following any kind of structured plan for your resistance trainer? You said your resistance train, right? Yeah, I'm training with a trainer. Okay. Okay. How many times a week? Four right now. Yeah, you're doing good. If it's a good trainer, you're doing good then. So, I mean, that's pretty much it. If you're consistently eating that many grams of protein, you're even the type, because I noticed in your question, you asked about protein bioavailability.

Starting point is 01:23:37 That also, that also doesn't matter if your protein can take us high. If you're eating one gram of protein per pound of body weight, bioavailability doesn't make a difference. If you're eating less protein than what's considered optimal, then bioavailability makes a big difference. Like I said, if I gave, the example I gave earlier, if you were just eating like 60 grams of protein a day,

Starting point is 01:23:57 well, then it would make a difference if it was coming from plant protein versus animal protein or egg versus soy, for example. But at that many grams of protein, you're getting so many amino acids, so many essential amino acids, so many branch amino acids. You're hitting everything and then some that the bioavailability, the amino acid supplementation doesn't matter, doesn't make a difference. Okay, great.

Starting point is 01:24:21 Okay. Is that help, Lori? Yes. Okay, thank you guys. You got it. Thanks for calling in, great. Okay. Cool. Is that help, Lori? Yes. Thank you guys. Okay. You got it. Thanks for calling in, Lori. Bye-bye.

Starting point is 01:24:30 Bye-bye. Boy, the fitness industry really confuses the hell out of people with their marketing, doesn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Edo-R-E amino acid supplement and it doesn't break a fast. What?

Starting point is 01:24:40 But yet it's comparable to 30 grams of way protein. How? So it's magical. We, we called this when, when fasting became the new diet, like go back to like, I call the anabolic fasting. Yes. They're like trying to brand it like that.

Starting point is 01:24:53 Bro, we called it before that even came out. Before that we said, oh, remember, we said fasting is so hard to make money off of because it's eating nothing. You said, just wait till the supplements come out. We're they're going to tell you to take this. I remember that was what promo notice to write the guide back then.

Starting point is 01:25:05 Yes. We wrote the guide back then and we said watch the next thing to come after this would be all these, same that we called the same thing with Keto. Keto did the same thing. Keto diet came out and said, oh now watch all the Keto supplements

Starting point is 01:25:17 that will be attached to the Keto diet. It's just marketing. But I venture too. I mean, just her having the structure of that, I think that's everything. That is. Like how she's been seen benefits. And you could tell, like certain people like kind of resist a lot of like tracking and that initial real,

Starting point is 01:25:35 comprehensive look at like, you know, their habits. And that's just, if you're gonna really move the needle, that's where you gotta start. So I know it's possible that she's doing what she said, but in my experience, rarely ever, does my female client hit 170 grams of protein. 170 is hard for me to do. And while also intermittent fasting. I know.

Starting point is 01:25:55 So eight hour eating window, that's a lot of protein. That's a hearty hour task. That is a very hard task. That's a hard task for a 230 pound dude like me, much less a girl like that. This is from Whole Foods, yeah. So, I mean, I would challenge that as far as, you know, how long are you consistently hitting this? And she doesn't hit one.

Starting point is 01:26:15 Yeah, sometimes they hit it once in the last time. Yeah, right, right. You count it, you have a really high day one day that you hit that and you're like, oh, I hit about that. It's like, okay, well, let's consistently track for a few weeks and let's see how many days are we? And she doesn't necessarily need to get 170.

Starting point is 01:26:31 170 is like on the optimal high end. I mean, she could help be totally fine and see good results from, you know, 131.40. But I would venture to guess that there's quite a few sub-h, sub 90 grams of protein days in there and getting that balanced out, I think would benefit her. And then also, I know Justin was starting to allude to the program. I mean, it'd be interesting if, you know,

Starting point is 01:26:55 she could have a good trainer who's training her like a bodybuilder still would. I wonder how similar her routine has looked for a long time. And also, how high of intensity that she's doing four days a week with menopause at her age and who died. That's why I said, if it's a good training. All of her trainers.

Starting point is 01:27:09 Yeah, because it could be a bad trainer. Yeah, but you all, I mean, if you hired a trainer, you think what, what client didn't think they're training? Yeah, the trainers have their jump jacks. Yeah, you know, you're a circuit training. Yeah. No, I mean, I, I, she likes training like a bodybuilder. So that way of training, I don't necessarily think it's bad,

Starting point is 01:27:24 but maybe she's not, she's been doing the same thing for so long. And she would benefit. Right, maybe a low rep, yes, which something, something different. Our next caller is Ian from Washington. Ian, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey, fellas, how's it going? Good. All right, man. Hey, thanks for having me on.

Starting point is 01:27:42 I just quick, quick introduction, just like everybody else, love your show. Love the positivity and the realism that you bring to the table. So much misinformation out there. It's really good to be able to have a reliable source to go to. Love that you guys talk about your wives and your kids and just everything that you bring to that sphere as well. So yeah, I just really appreciate that. Thank you.

Starting point is 01:28:12 Thank you guys for my wife, Jody. She's a cancer survivor and I really started hitting the weights pretty solid about three years ago and she came home one day and she's like, honey, you got to hear these guys. They are totally your people. So I've been listening, you guys ever skips, the best fitness advice I think I've ever gotten for sure. Thank you. Thank you.

Starting point is 01:28:38 Yeah. So just a little bit of fitness background. I've been lifting weights pretty routinely for about 30 years, training in Kyokushin Karate for about 33 years. I don't know if you're familiar with Kyokushin Karate. I know you've been sitting before, but it's full contact, very knuckle. They refer to it as the strongest Karate. It's no joke. You're familiar with the Jordan St. Pierre. Oh yeah, he's awesome. Yeah, I'm familiar with this.

Starting point is 01:29:09 This is like, I don't want to not offend anybody, but this is like the real deal karate. Like if you watch bear knuckle competitions on YouTube, like this is what they're, this is the type of karate that you see. It's pretty not like the karate kid version. No disrespect to anybody else. Okay.

Starting point is 01:29:29 It is not slap in typical karate for sure. No. So, you know, my long time instructor, Hunchy Romsch, he recently informed me that I'm gonna be grading for my next Don test at the World Cop in Santiago. That's in Chile in December 2023. The exam is going to be about eight to nine hours long and it includes what they call

Starting point is 01:29:56 a power test, which is fitness, push-up, sit-ups, all of that stuff, to exhaustion, and then sort of foundational, martial skills followed by cotton weapons, and then fighting happens at the very end when you're the most tired. So, you got two hours left in a nine hour exam, and you're faced with 50 to 60 full contact fights anywhere from a minute, a from minute to half, no rest. You're fighting anybody they put in front of you from anywhere around the world. You really have to be in top condition. I don't want to just survive the exam.

Starting point is 01:30:42 I want to slay it. I want to come out dominant. And so just on the other side of that, I've been doing weight training for a long time. I just finished week eight of anabolic. And just as a quick aside, it is hands down the best weightlifting program that I have ever done. And I'm not just saying that because you guys are in front of me. It's seriously the best program that I have done.

Starting point is 01:31:12 I'm up about four to five pounds of lean muscle, down a couple of percent in body fat, has a 53 year old. I have never felt this good that into into my tests. I've I've got I'm getting a about 2900 to 3000 calories per day hitting 200 to 220 grams of protein Almost no Processed food all whole food, you know that kind of thing

Starting point is 01:31:46 processed food, all home food, you know, that kind of thing. And so really what I'm trying to be able to do is figure out the right path forward to be able to just dominate the test. So I'm doing the way training now. In another four weeks, I'll finish anabolic. And my question is, what should my next steps be? What I've bought four or five programs for you guys, including your performance and cardio. And I just wanna know, like, what do you recommend

Starting point is 01:32:17 to take the next step after the Antibolic? What should the next program be? Sequencing to be able to hit that just perfect. What do you think? Great, great question. Very specific question too. So I like stuff like this. Well, your test is in December?

Starting point is 01:32:34 It is, yeah. Okay, really December. You want to give yourself about two months, before December, so October, you're going to be training mostly the way that your test will be done for your black belt. Okay. So you want to give yourself eight weeks of very specific training before you go to the test. So that means that your strength training starting in October is going to be pretty much relegated to mobility and correctional work.

Starting point is 01:33:01 You're not trying to get stronger, you're not trying to build muscle, you're trying to get really good at the test, you're trying to get really good at the sparring, at the fighting, at the pushups, the sit-ups, the things that you said that they're gonna be testing you on. And then you wanna do maybe mobility work and correctional exercise work during that period of time because you'll be pushing your body to the limit and the ideas to avoid injury, okay?

Starting point is 01:33:22 Now leading up to that, right now we're far out so you can focus on continuing to build muscle but the closer you get to that October time the less the focus is going to be on muscle building and the more the focus will be on stamina. And that's kind of how you want to lead up to it. What you don't want to do is try to build, try to build strength, try to build muscle while also simultaneously getting ready for the test all within that month or two before because that's just too much. And you won't be better at the test if anything will be worse doing something like that. So do you, okay, the only difference that I had with my advice was, let's a shorter even

Starting point is 01:33:58 time frame from now. Do you think he needs eight weeks? I would have said four to six. So you said, you're going eight. I would have said four to six because of his said, you're going eight. I would have said four to six. Because of his conditioning and his level or he's out already, do you really think he's gonna need that much time getting ready for the test? I don't know what kind of, that's a good question.

Starting point is 01:34:13 Ian, how close would you say you are now to be able to pass your black belt test with flying colors? Let's say you were to take it tomorrow. What would be the part that would kill you the most or do you feel like you'd be able to go through it right now? Probably my respiratory volume, I would say, is the thing that I would have to work on the most. My assumption was that I was just going to do the building parts between now and June, July, maybe somewhere in there. And then start to sort of titrate in some other things.

Starting point is 01:34:48 The skills part, you know, this is my sixth dawn test. Yeah, I've done this before, so I know what the test is like. For my fourth dawn, I was very prepared. So I was doing 10 minute rounds of jump rope and then push-ups to exhaustion and other 10 minutes of rope Sit-ups to exhaustion and other 10 minutes. So that really helped me develop the cardio and then the constant change in heart rate So anywhere from four to six weeks out. I think Yeah, that's that's great advice real Real quick, what's the elevation in Santiago?

Starting point is 01:35:27 Is that high elevation? That's a good question. It's gonna be a little bit higher than what we have here. I'm at 1800 here and we have hills around here that I can do sprints in what have you and intervals, but it's a bit... Let's see, does it? yeah, it's 1870. Oh, okay.

Starting point is 01:35:46 So that, okay, that was just, I just want to make sure because if it was really high elevation, compared to where you at now, I would have been like, I would get there early and try to show. I want to, I want to, I want to just you, I think you probably have all of us probably have the, the, probably the best advice, but I would have went four to six weeks is when I would have transitioned. I actually would have kept him in anabolic with performance mobility days from now until then.

Starting point is 01:36:11 What do you think about that? That would be okay, but I would even just go pure performance. Mass performance would probably be the most appropriate program leading up to that period of eight to six weeks before the test. Mainly because the phasing is switched up naturally has that sort of like speed power element in there and it has the multi directional strength. So yeah, you could actually end up duplicating performance and then I was thinking too, like maybe even a Maps 15

Starting point is 01:36:38 sort of like leading into those last, you know, three, four weeks up into your competition. So then it's just really just hyper focused skill mobility, but the mass 15, what least keep a lot of that strength there. You know, the challenge Ian with something like this is we're talking so far out that none of us are able to follow you along and adjust the accordingly. Exactly, but I hope you're getting the gist

Starting point is 01:37:04 of what we're saying, right? Where if you were to look at like the block of training from now until then, it's like strength and muscle, then movement mobility, then stamina and endurance, with a focus on preventing injuries or correctional exercise. You notice nagging areas of pain or movement dysfunction, then you kind of focus on that while you're doing your competition type specific type of training. But also consider this Ian, when you add stuff in, you got to take other stuff out. So what you don't want to do is build all the strength and then say,

Starting point is 01:37:37 okay, I'm going to keep going at that pace with the strength. Now let me throw in tons more stamina and cardio. That's the biggest mistake that athletes make when they train in season. Pile on top. Yeah, they add to their off season, they just add to it and they just keep adding, they try to keep everything all at once. And then the injury rate goes to the roof.

Starting point is 01:37:54 Now what Justin said about maps of teen, I mean, we interviewed, what was his name? Was it Sleshinger? Yeah, that we interviewed? Yeah, I'm so sure. And he has his athletes do like, he calls them exercise snacks, like 10 minutes of exercise a day with strength training on top of their traditional training. And that maintained their strength phenomenally.

Starting point is 01:38:14 Did you listen to that episode Ian? I'm not yet. Yeah, go back and listen to that when it's Corey Sleshinger. I'll have Doug look up the actual number it was, but even though he's talking about basketball, the application of strength training to their sport would apply to what we're talking about right now with you. Yeah, because he talks about offseason and in season training and the in season training, they don't go and do strength training twice a week for an hour.

Starting point is 01:38:39 He does like 10, 15 minutes a day and he finds that it's way more successful. It's a little bit more agree with that. Yeah, it's a little different because like, he has a longer season of lots of different opportunities for them to perform at a high level. You're trying to peak at like for one event. And so, yeah, so to kind of like lead into that, I think the timing of that is real crucial.

Starting point is 01:38:59 Yeah, and in my experience in, when, with someone at your level, so when you're talking about a black belt, the two things that tend to get in the way when they're in competition, the two biggest obstacles are usually injury being number one, and then stamina being number two. It's usually not anything else.

Starting point is 01:39:18 The skill and technique is there, strength is typically there, if you've been training for a long time and like training, like really training, but it's, injury would be number one. That would be the number one thing that I would be looking at, the closer I got to competition. So you notice any movement or mobility issues

Starting point is 01:39:36 or nagging issues, then really focus on making sure you do correctional exercise and avoiding injury because that's a big roadblock. Like you hurt yourself then you're kind of screwed. And stamina would be the second one, and that's because stamina comes and goes so quickly. Like you could stop training for stamina and within two weeks, like it's like, you feel like 50% of it's gone.

Starting point is 01:39:55 So those would be the two things that focus on the closer you get to the competition or to the test. That makes total sense. One of my rationales for building at this phase is, you know, I'm going to be fighting these big Iranians and Russians and half the time they're juiced. Well, maybe all the time. Oh, wow, man. And it's the truth.

Starting point is 01:40:19 And so, you know, they're generating proportionally more force. So my body has to be able to absorb that force. And more muscle mass is gonna help me do that. Plus, you know, technique breathing and all that. But then, the injury is a really good point. As I started lifting heavier and my volume kept going up, basically every workout during anabolic. I did notice that I had some ligament,

Starting point is 01:40:45 a little bit of ligament strain and the left elbow and what have you. So, makes some small modifications, that's simmering down, but I wanna be at a thousand percent when I hit the tops of me server. I like maps performance for you now, right now, maps performance,

Starting point is 01:41:01 because that's so good for what you're saying. And look, I don't need to tell you this, so I'm saying this mainly for other people who may be watching. When you're training for a specific sport, you don't want to sacrifice technique training for athletic training, because like in your case, you can build a lot of muscle, lose some technique,

Starting point is 01:41:21 and you end up not having as much power in your punch. Even though you're bigger and stronger, you're not going to hit as hard. So, you know, maintain that technique training the entire time. Or, or what could also happen is you gain muscle, you don't train the technique with that muscle. Now you're more awkward because you're at a different body size. Even that extra four or five pounds changes your body size a little bit. And your timing is just a little bit different. So...

Starting point is 01:41:43 Two things. One, Ian, the Cory episode is just a little bit different. So two things. One, the Corey episode is 19, 27. Thank you. The second thing was, do you already own Maps Prime Pro yet? I do not. Okay, so this is what we want to do. If you don't have performance, we're going to send that to you. In map, okay, you do have that. And so you're familiar then how every other day is the mobility days, right? So we create them for you in there, but what I want you to do,

Starting point is 01:42:12 and you're a self-aware and experienced person, you could totally do this, is I want you to utilize Maps Prime Pro, and go through all the different, you don't like not literally go through, but read and watch all the, all the specific moves, yeah. And then you can start to

Starting point is 01:42:26 Trade out the the mobility days for movements that are more specific to you like you would write you said something about your elbow Right, so there might there's some risk cars and shoulder cars in maps prime pro that if you were my client Instead of us following performance to where it's generically laid out I would actually pull out two exercises that are less important to you that you don't have issues with and I would implement the risk cars and the shoulder cars in there. So use Prime Pro as a way to supplement some of the mobility drills that we have already generated for you in performance and create your own kind of mobility flow that I think would be of tremendous value for you. Ian, if I, I want to let you in our forum for free, but I would love for you to follow up with us. I'd like to see a video of the test or just hear about how you did, man. Yeah, my wife's gonna, my wife's gonna video it and take some shots and so yeah, it'll

Starting point is 01:43:18 be, I'm looking forward to, you know, mindset is the, is the first hurdle, right? So you got to go into it it looking forward to it rather than being like shit these guys are gonna kill me right Yeah, good to you gonna crush it man. Yeah good luck. Yeah, I'm excited for you Me too. Hey you guys rock. I really appreciate your time and the advice really valuable really quickly last thing Should I be doing like maps cardio or really just focus on performance? Should I be doing like maps cardio or really just focus on performance? And prime pro like yeah, no stamina wise I think what you did in the past that worked for you would be perfectly fine to do now

Starting point is 01:43:56 Okay, yeah, perfect yep Awesome All right Appreciate it. Thanks Ian. All right, Ian. Appreciate. Have a great day. You got it Yeah, you ever watch you what a cool thing to bro. Yeah, have you guys ever watched these tournaments? I think it's like a kumate. So I'm the where a key. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:44:13 And you can't punch to the face, but you can kick and knee to the head. And it's full contact to the body. So everything to the body and legs and then to the head. It's only kicks and knees and they blow. Buh, buh, buh, b, boom, boom, they really come in a tack style. They get points back out. Yeah, I mean, you people get knocked out. That's how you lose because you get kicked or

Starting point is 01:44:33 need to the head. And the body shots are sorely. What is, what is the theory on why they would allow head, head kicks, but not a bunch? I don't know. It's probably to make it more technical. I don't know, or just, I think it's just, you know, they take certain things out to make it so it's more accessible probably. Although, you know, this may be a tournament, I don't think it is, but there may be a tournament

Starting point is 01:44:55 where they allow everything, like full strikes of the head in the whole deal. But the ones I've seen were punches, kicks, knees, to the body, and then just knees and kicks to the head. And I'm telling you, these guys hit to the body like, so for the audience, let's extend the dialogue a little bit on why we would have been a little bit different originally on our recommendation.

Starting point is 01:45:16 My only reason why I would have said four to six is I know how quick that you can build stamina, especially in advanced lifter and in his sport. I mean, this guy is not like you. Yeah, it's not wrong, what you said was it wrong. Yeah, so I would have allowed him to strength train longer and then get stamina focused in the last one.

Starting point is 01:45:38 Here's why I said, I would have said eight weeks, because what you're saying was right too. The reason why I would have given him eight weeks is to avoid that risk of injury. Potential that is high what you're saying was right too. The reason why I would have given him eight weeks is to avoid that risk of injury, potential that is high when you're focusing on strength training with someone like this. So it's like, okay, let's give you two months before your competition where we take out

Starting point is 01:45:55 the heavy strength training because, even if you're getting stronger each time, like you said. Maybe a distraction towards the skill. Well, so then maybe the blend is somewhere between what all three of us say Which is I like Justin's maps 15 recommendation. Yeah, let's start maps 15 at like eight weeks Yeah, out and allowing him to do that and then allow him to make the decision like oh, I'm still feeling amazing right now

Starting point is 01:46:16 And if you if you know six weeks, yeah, start tapering out and then maybe he only needs the last three to four weeks We're no weight training at all and it's just skills and stamina stuff. So, yeah, no, it would be interesting to see how he does, man. Yeah, and another thing about these guys is their hands are like rocks. They literally condition their hands. They're forearm, they're shaking. Just the one that punch.

Starting point is 01:46:37 Oh, yeah, I mean, I just a guy that I used to train with that in Jiu-Jitsu, but he also was a black belt in this style. And if you, you know, hold up his hand, his knuckles were like this big. Yeah. It's like, oh my god, like that's brutal. Did I read that he's a PhD too? Did I read that some more?

Starting point is 01:46:51 Did I? Yeah, he's a professor. Oh, he's a professor too. He didn't even say that. Super accomplished gentleman. What kind of professor? What is he? He's like an apology.

Starting point is 01:46:58 Oh, wow. So he knows a shit too. Yeah, you, what a, I love hearing testimonials like that. 53 years old and what do you make? 30 something years knows it smart dude and then to that's such a compliment right totally such a cool compliment Hey check this out if you like mine pump head over to mine pump free calm check out our guides We have free guides that can help you with almost any health or fitness goal You can also find all of us on social media

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