Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2034: What to Do if You Always Feel Hungry, Tips for Losing Fat After Having a Baby, What to Do if Low Energy Makes It Hard to Complete Workouts & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:01:37 Resistance bands are not just for beginners. If you're advanced and you don't use the variable resistance of resistance bands, you are not building as much muscle and strength as you could be. Look to bands that provide some tremendous value for everybody, especially advanced lifters. Bands will make her dance, huh Justin? That's so yeah. It's interesting that this still is a thing with bands that people just think they're for beginners, when strength athletes will power lifters in particular have been using bands now for a long time. It's the most successful ones ever. Is it Westside barbell that really kind of popularized?

Starting point is 00:02:12 They did. They did. They did. They did. So here's the thing about bands that makes them so special. The type of resistance that they provide is so different from what you'll find with machines and freeways. So when I'm lifting a freeway, the resistance, it changes depending on its position to gravity. So if I do a lateral raise, it's light from here to here, it gets heavier, this is the heaviest point

Starting point is 00:02:37 because it's fighting gravity directly with a cable, it's consistent all the way through. Bands are easiest at the beginning, hardest at the end. So the more you stretch them out, the more challenging they are. Now, why is this a valuable? First off, it's different. So things that are different,

Starting point is 00:02:53 create tension differently in the muscle and that can always send a new stimulus. But second, and I think most important, is it very closely mirrors your natural strength curve on a lot of different lifts. So like if you did like a barbell squat, for example, most people are weakest at the bottom, strongest at the top, right?

Starting point is 00:03:11 So that top, you know, two or three inches, you could lift the most weight. The bottom is probably where you could at least, lift the least amount of weight. So if you were to add bands to your weights or even just do a banded squat, it's easiest where you're the weakest, it's hardest where you're the strongest.

Starting point is 00:03:26 So you can literally create almost perfect tension along with your natural strength curve. And this again, it's what Powerlifting's noticed and why it made them so strong so quickly. Do you have a theory on why bands are not popular with the general population? I think because they look the way they do, like these colorful rubber bands,

Starting point is 00:03:44 they're like easy to try with them I have a theory. I think I think the I think the thing that makes them so awesome is also the thing reason why a lot of people don't and That's because you don't do as much damage and you don't get a sore Oh, and so many point so many people measure these actually a valuable thing I know that's the same thing that makes them so valuable and I think so good is Why most people steer steer clear of it because it doesn't get them as sore I mean you can do all the banded squats you want it ain't gonna feel like 400 pounds on your back on the barbell squat Therefore we assume that oh oh, the free weights are so much better because they get me so much more sore.

Starting point is 00:04:29 But in the context of what we're always trying to communicate to our audience is that most people, especially fitness enthusiasts, tend to overreach and over train and bands belong somewhere in your routine. I think there's a bit of truth in that. I remember when I used to train really hard for football and we would have a physical therapy,

Starting point is 00:04:51 like right next to us, like I remember, you know, there'd be a lot of guys that would go in and do their rehab and then there was sort of this disconnect between they only used bands as they're rehabbing but then they would come in and do the free weights. And it was like, it was this association in terms of like, that's like sort of training wheels to get you back

Starting point is 00:05:12 to the free weights. When in fact, I remember kind of like going in between both and noticing quite a lot of benefits from using the bands myself, but it was, I didn't get quite a sore, so there was a association there, too. Maybe it wasn't enough. If you want to do smart strength training, you look at a modality or a training technique or a tool, and you look at its strength and its weaknesses, and then you plug it in to maximize its strengths and minimize its weaknesses. So one of the strengths of bands is that you can train

Starting point is 00:05:46 the hell out of yourself with them. You can add a lot of frequency. You can add them to your current routine and not compromise your recovery that much. In other words, the same training really hard, but I wanna add something that's gonna really, you know, amplify my results. Well, there's not much I can add

Starting point is 00:06:02 if I'm kinda already at that limit, but if I add bands, I don't seem to require more recovery. In fact, I've noticed in the past, there's a bit of a recuperative aspect. And then frequency, like, you can train really hard with bands every single day and get really rapid results. You can't do that with free weights and you can't necessarily do that with machines. You have to really consider the damage and the recovery more than with bands. It's a valuable tool. You look at and you say, okay, how can I use this tool and maximize its strength? That's definitely one of them.

Starting point is 00:06:34 You know another benefit to it that I noticed was that it puts a lot more emphasis on eccentric portion of the lift because you have to be able to control that to get back to the original starting point. And I think that's such an overlooked and neglected part of lifting, especially with athletic train power lifting, like the 111 kind of aggressive style lifts. And to be able to really put emphasis on the portion of muscle contraction is a lot of benefit. Here's the other thing too. Bands are so valuable for explosive training. So valuable for explosive training. First off, the angles I can modify, right? So with free weights, free weights can be amazing

Starting point is 00:07:13 for explosive training, but it's way more technical and I can't pull and create resistance horizontally. I definitely can't pull it from up to down. So I remember like when I was doing like grappling judo jiu jitsu wrestling wanting to add resistance to explosive techniques, I can't use a machine because a weight stack will go flying everywhere. But I can use bands. And in fact, what I did is I had, it was similar to a free motion, a thing was called a Da Vinci. And I attached bands to the weight stack. So I could do explosive twists and turns. And the band kept the weight stack from flopping the lower the place and gave me that good,

Starting point is 00:07:49 that ability to explosively pull and that generate too much momentum where it changes the movement. You know what I've never done that would be a fun experiment and maybe coming up here would be a good time. I'm back on my kick, and consistent lifting,

Starting point is 00:08:03 and I'm actually dieting and stuff. I'm back on my kick, it could be inconsistent lifting and I'm actually dieting and stuff. I'm back on everything. And I've never ran like a pure full cycle of like a mostly all band routine, you know, for a period of time. I've always used it as a tool and intermittently use it within my workout, but I've never like programmed like a band routine and like stuck with it for like a serious resistance. Yeah, yeah, especially in where I'm at in my lifting career, it'd be really, and I would wanna do it after I have good like momentum I've trained for a while,

Starting point is 00:08:33 like I mean, Sal, you're in a good place because you've been very consistent for a while. It'd be fun to interrupt that and be like, I wonder what things I would notice if I committed to just for bands for an extended period of time and do that. I'll tell you what, I'll stay on my consistency now and then I would love to do so.

Starting point is 00:08:50 Which over, yeah. So I had experience with that. Well, I always incorporated it, not always. I'd say probably starting about 15 years ago, I started incorporating bands and added it to my routine and saw great results. But before that, when I grand opened the 24th of the San Jose, San Jose, they did a partial grand opening

Starting point is 00:09:15 and the resistance training area wasn't open yet. It was just the cardio, the pool, that's what a quart type of deal. But then we still had personal trainers. So the trainers, like, what do we do? We don't have equipment. So all the trainers did body weight and bands. That's all they did. And we had meetings and talked about like, how to make sure your members stick around. And because everybody was like,

Starting point is 00:09:35 oh, it's not gonna be as good. You know what happened after we put in the machines and free weights? A good chunk of those clients were like, I like working out better with the bands and with the body weight. So they had such good results. That was my first time being exposed to, oh, there's a lot of value in this.

Starting point is 00:09:48 And of course, then when you see Westside barbell do it, like, come on, you can't get more hardcore than that. Yeah. And these guys are the strongest, these people are strongest, you know, men and women of the world in powerlifting. And they're the ones that, and by the way, they got it from, they got the idea from Soviet studies on weightlifting because they, they were very corporate. That with chains as well. Yeah. Yeah. All those variable resistance ways. They got the idea from Soviet studies on weightlifting because they they would incorporate that with

Starting point is 00:10:05 chains as well. Yeah, all those variable resistance ways. Didn't they do a really good documentary on them? There is, I don't know what it's called, but yeah, there is a good documentary out there. I don't remember where, what streaming services on, but I'm pretty sure a couple of years ago I watched a really good documentary because I knew a little bit everybody I think in the fitness community knows Westside Barbell I would think, but I didn't know like the whole history and I didn't know until I watched that documentary about they're the first ones that really bring it to power. They were and that's where they got it from like some like with the Russian Olympic teams

Starting point is 00:10:37 and stuff like that, they were utilizing it and they started to implement it and they're training and saw huge results and then it's obviously a staple there. Now they're the ones I think that made it popular to the US, right? They did. And then it finally started to come over to the bodybuilding space, although bodybuilders still don't use bands much. But all it takes is, you know how bodybuilding is.

Starting point is 00:10:53 All it takes is for one high ranking bodybuilder. Bodybuilders use it now. You know how it's used with bodybuilders? It's really common and I'm not the biggest fan of it. Yeah. And they put on machines and stuff. But what I mean is, it's not really making it like,

Starting point is 00:11:05 like a big part of the routine. You know what I mean? Like all it takes is what a couple like champions, you know, they're not, they're definitely not doing that. But they are, you know, they're attaching them to hammer straight machines, which I'm like, yes, you know, if all the ways you're going to utilize it. It's kind of the lamest way to do it.

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Starting point is 00:12:05 Why, why, what they were doing? I will say the exercise that was a tricib extension. That's what it was. It turned into a trouble. So if you know what a tricib extension machine is got, you know, it looks kind of like a preacher chrome machine, right? So you're, you're locking like this and then you, and the handles go over like this and homeboy was standing up

Starting point is 00:12:23 facing this way and, and using it like a row. Oh, that's what it was a row. Yeah. Now the part of it now, people were listening right now, or like what the fuck? Oh, I wouldn't have, the problem is though,

Starting point is 00:12:35 like the dude has an incredible physique. And so you know, you can't help but think like there's gonna be a ton of people in the fire. I already know next, you know, next time you go in the gym, I'm gonna see some 17 year old kid rowing on the Tricep extension machine.

Starting point is 00:12:48 I'm trying to think of the stupidest thing I've ever seen. I think that's up there. That's up there. That's up there. I think the other one was the leg curl. I saw somebody doing neck extensions with the leg curl. I just wanted to slap him. I should have pressed on the back.

Starting point is 00:13:04 And by the way, you know, it kind of reminds me of the thing that you say about, I just want to slap him. Yeah. I should have pressed on that. And by the way, it kind of reminds me of the thing that you say about, you know, you tolerate or because you can, doesn't mean it's optimal, right? Like just because you can, you know, activate your lats on the machine. Doesn't mean you should. It's a good idea. You know what I'm saying? So I get you could do those machines and try and make you feel it in a specific muscle

Starting point is 00:13:24 group. Like, I have that skill set. I could get it. Like, I could get under any machine. I could make any machine work. Yeah, I can make a leg press work my chest if I get in there creatively enough. You know what I'm saying? I can make it, I can make any machine work or any muscle I want if I can tort my body

Starting point is 00:13:39 a certain way. It's like a guiver. But it's, yeah, it's like, Yes, stick a gum and safety pins of that. How about just unlock the door, bro? It's fucking forget it's intended. Right next to it was that's the one. I'm gonna say do it. I have old you know, say that's like when I was in charge

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Starting point is 00:14:07 It's a subtle like most of kids probably they brought it back with McGroober for a minute. Remember that? SNL, that was a decent skin. McGyver is old, man. That's been a while. Dude, I gotta tell you guys. So, Aralys is like, he's talking so much,

Starting point is 00:14:19 so much right now and we're, it's just, it's vocabulary exploding. So he's saying the funniest things and we're also simultaneously talking about like body parts, right? So he's in this big thing now where he's like, he goes up to someone and he goes, you have a penis, you have a vagina.

Starting point is 00:14:34 Oh, no way. Yeah, because we taught him, you know, boys have a penis. We're kind of like kindergarten cops. Yeah, so he goes up to my daughter. Man, we're behind, I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I got a vagina and he's like,

Starting point is 00:14:43 Papa's got a penis. Yes, Papa's got a penis. Mama's got a, yes, Mama's got a vagina. So he's this whole thing, right? Man, we're behind. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I didn't teach him. I know. But what made him think my car, we have to teach Max the difference him, her.

Starting point is 00:15:26 He calls everybody him, which is so it's totally insulting when I have like my, you know, niece over and they're talking. He, him, him, he, you say, I'm like, no, that's a her, that's a her. You know, okay, like he's trying to figure it out. And then he's straight, can't say it as well.

Starting point is 00:15:40 So he'll try it like three times, and then he'll, then he'll default back to him again. He's like, he also, he'll fake like, he does fake expressions now, which is kind of cute. It's actually cool because it shows he's, he understands certain things. So I show up after work the other day, I walk in and he walks up to me and he totally fakes a yawn. It's not real. And he goes, hmm, I'm like, are you tired? Yeah, I'm tired. I'm going to pay for it. Total fake y'all runs. That's not even real.

Starting point is 00:16:07 Anyway. I think that's the cutest when he actually decide, like, when he says he's ready for bed. Like that is, it happens, it's rare, but when it does, it's hilarious. Because that's like... I need a map. Yeah, he said like a busy day or something like that.

Starting point is 00:16:17 It's just been long, a lot of play, and we'll be sitting up and maybe we're letting him stay up a little bit later than usual and be like, Mommy, it's time for bed, I'm tired. Yeah. Okay. Okay, let's go. Let's go to bed. Hey, I found some cool studies on red light therapy. But you know, red light therapy,

Starting point is 00:16:33 I've talked about this before, there's a lot of applications. There's also mental health applications. So it's not just skin, hair, joint pain, those are the ones that I've talked about in the past. They also show it helps with depression and anxiety. Maybe a little cognitive boost. That's, I'll look that up, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:16:52 But depression and anxiety, red light therapy, like the one Juve has, okay, so that type of red light therapy actually has been shown to reduce depression in people, especially people who suffer from seasonal effect of depression disorder. Yeah, so I got it. I actually did like a live questions yesterday and somebody asked me about Juve, red light therapy. And I didn't answer because I actually wasn't 100% sure. Do you know of any actually studies that show any sort of adverse effects, any negative effects to potentially staying under the red light therapy for too long. Yeah, too much exposure.

Starting point is 00:17:31 Yeah, you can actually, too long, you'll actually feel like the skin's a little tender or whatever. That's why they tell you they limit how much you, it's not damaging to the eyes, but I know if it's like direct to too close, it could be problem that. I don't, I don't know. I know actually showed improved eyesight with that, but don't quote me, we'd have to look at it. Yeah, it's funny that so you can't you bring that up. So I know the new models, like so the park city house,

Starting point is 00:17:53 we got all the new models in there. And they sent, they shipped the like, like, canning goggles. Yeah, that's why I have to come with it. But then when I talk to my, my physician, but because I remember when we had Max, I was curious if I could have, like I wanted to make sure it was okay. Like, is he too young?

Starting point is 00:18:07 Is he all right? So I wanted to hold him and we could both be there, like sitting there laying next to it or whatever. And he says, no, it's great for him. So I thought, and I said, and what about the eyes? He says, no, it's good for your eyes. So, you know, I was told that it was good for your eyes.

Starting point is 00:18:19 I think it's just because it's bright. You get bright. You know, regardless, a lot of people don't like to look into it. I don't like to look into a bright red light. So I tend to close my eyes. But I did, I know that our partners that you've told us that it helps with eyesight.

Starting point is 00:18:33 So remember, it's not tissue specific. It red light fuels and feeds the mitochondria. Or has the mitochondria produce more energy and become more efficient? Which is the engine of all cells. Which is the engine of all cells. So it's like, I mean, if you can, if your skin's gonna rejuvenate faster, if it gets down to the joints,

Starting point is 00:18:49 it can help with joint pain. It's going to help with hair regrowth, you know, all those things that the studies are showing. It's testosterone. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Hey, so what's up with, so Elon Musk is gonna start a town. Or so. Oh, right out, like 25 miles outside of Austin,

Starting point is 00:19:06 I believe he bought maybe Doug can double check this, either 3000, I think 3000 something acres and wants to develop an entire little mini city out there. And the idea and the concept is to house his people. So if you work for Tesla, I think the, and again, don't quote me on this, but I believe he said that he's going to rent it to them for significantly.

Starting point is 00:19:33 So I think like the average cost around rental for the three-bed, two-bath type of house out in the Austin area or right outside of Austin is like around $2,200 and he wants to like price it at like 800. So it'll be really, really expensive. So it'll be part of one of the perks of working there, type of thing. I find there does. Yeah, at least 3,500 acres.

Starting point is 00:19:52 Okay, so it's close. Yeah. Well, so what do you guys think about that? I think that's such a great idea. I think that we already put our team on looking at property over there. I think it's a brilliant. I mean, look at Google is doing it right here, right up the road.

Starting point is 00:20:07 Are they doing housing? Yeah, do this whole thing is bought by the people. Right down the street. All those of the houses, the construction of the apartments, all that, that's all Google's tightness. So they'll put employees in there. I mean, I don't know exactly if it's all employees

Starting point is 00:20:20 or how the, I don't know the details, but I know that Google owns all this real estate. Your theory that you had a long time ago might be true. The campus thing, remember? When I know that Google owns all this real estate. Your theory that you had a long time ago might be true. The campus thing. Remember when I said that I had the where there's a lot of things I can't. And looking, you had the $3.

Starting point is 00:20:29 You went dollar, but then they'll add Tesla bucks. I so believe that I'm so glad you brought that up. And I'm so glad that you admitted that I was probably right. I don't remember saying that you weren't. Why? I think we're all on board. Where are you?

Starting point is 00:20:43 I think some of those ones you were arguing with me about? No, no, no. I thought you guys thought I was kind of crazy, right? I think I think you thought I on board. Where are you? What's one of those ones you were arguing with me about? No, no, no. I thought you guys thought I was kind of crazy, right? I think I think you thought I was just originally mine. But yeah. Yeah. It takes a credit break. Yeah, no, I do think for those of you who haven't

Starting point is 00:20:54 didn't hear that episode a long time ago, I really think that we're moving in this direction, where especially when you look at how polarizing the political landscape has been and how different like every state is becoming. So I think what you're gonna start to see, especially these massive companies like Apple and Facebook and Google and Tesla,

Starting point is 00:21:15 that have a huge community of people that are probably a good similar ideology. Start to create these mini towns and they'll get deals on the real estate, they'll get deals on the doctors and I think just grocery stores, doctors, banks, all that. And I think they're going to make them, they'll make them competitive as shit, they'll be better. I think they'll be better. This is just reinforcing. I mean, in Austin, it's been this big tech boom of all these companies that have moved over to there. This is going to be like Silicon Valley part two, pretty much with him building that,

Starting point is 00:21:49 and then everybody else in that area. But yeah, I think this would be interesting to watch to see how that all develops where they're new cities and they create their own standards. Well, thinking about what you can do, right? You have your standard pay, so you pay an employee, you know, 150 grand a year. However, what's also included with that is 10,000 Tesla bucks every year. And here's what you can get with 10,000 Tesla bucks. And then you live in this town, your rent is, you know, 150 Tesla bucks.

Starting point is 00:22:18 You can go to the grocery store here. You don't have to spend a single dollar. Well, I see it as a way of them actually reducing costs, right? Engineer. That's 100%. Yeah. Let's say the average engineer, you know, runs you a quarter million a year and now Tesla can pay that engineer a hundred K a year. But and that seems like a dramatic drop for them. But that's okay because his schooling, his doctor, his groceries, his car washes, his like dry cleaning, everything is in this community.

Starting point is 00:22:41 And he gets enough Tesla bucks a year that it covers all that, which it makes up for the... And it would obviously save money for Tesla because it wouldn't be a one-to-one. So you know, 20 Tesla bucks would be worth like 40. Yeah, and plus then you could leverage that community on those professions, right? So you bring a doctor in there who's the best of the best. He gets free housing because he lives in the community. He gets to take advantage of all the resources

Starting point is 00:23:06 that are in there and then he now he provides a service for a reduced cost to the company and he's fully employed. But it's just, what does that say there, Doug? It's not just Tesla. Oh, so the proposed municipality it says VJs into the boring and space six facilities that are all sort of construction.

Starting point is 00:23:22 Okay, so all his companies, yeah, a part of. Bro, this is like, this is gonna start looking interesting. They're gonna have these robots at the front, you know, like letting people in and out, I'm just like trying to, how close it really has the sports teams that represent them.

Starting point is 00:23:39 Twitter versus Facebook, and then it's like, you can get me, meet on the hockey, how says a robot washing dishes for everybody. I don't know you see that pull he saw that pull in the form did you not? shift because it was definitely it was way high just like six months to a year ago it was all you and like none on me and now it's like it's close to it close the gap a lot of people are losing the real

Starting point is 00:24:11 We'll see what happens. That's it. How long until you see entire towns and states become corporate owned, you know me? Of their own army might as well or government I mean I You guys are you a fan I like it. Do you like it? It's all voluntary That's right. Yeah, you yeah, you yeah it. Do you like it? That's all voluntary. That's right. Yeah, you have the option to work. And what a cool way for them to be competitive to recruit talent. So it's only gonna reduce the cost of living.

Starting point is 00:24:34 It's only gonna force all of them to up, you know, what they provide and what they give inside the community. So it's good for the consumer and the employee who's potentially gonna work there. What'll be interesting is through this competitive market, let's say this starts to become a thing with these big companies,

Starting point is 00:24:50 is to see what they end up realizing brings the most value to the company. So in other words, is it, let's promote a town in city with perks and stuff that tends to attract young, single, you know, people willing to work 80 hours. We need more families. Or do we seem to get better value when we promote, like when we put schools in there,

Starting point is 00:25:12 we give good education. What you get into family, council, what you get. I think the family's more stability, more consistency. But I think the dynamic, you know, we should, by the way, that's kind of counter to what most big companies want. They tend to like the single person who's willing to work 16 hour days

Starting point is 00:25:32 and not take any days off. That's what they, that's what, that's I think that's the belief. But I think in reality, you want, I think married men with children are some of the highest producing most productive. Well, people because of the responsibility and stuff, that's the argument.

Starting point is 00:25:49 Has the strategy, then also, is it still leaning more towards getting the highest performer in terms of a developer in tech companies? Because I forget what report that was, but basically they found out that they could basically replace like 50 to like 100 of these code developers. Who was it that told us that? Was it Xeo of Netflix? Yeah, was somebody.

Starting point is 00:26:14 I don't remember what you said. Somebody in the text base that brought it up. One high performing engineer. Like one, he said, what without producing 20. Yeah. And so it's worth it to hire one paying me a sh shit ton of money, then get higher, 10 or 15. And actually save the money with that strategy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:26:28 I mean, that philosophy was, I remember when I learned that lesson in the gym space. That's true. So I remember I was running, this is when I was running, and this I actually, this is my third club I've managed by this time. And they back then they used to have kind of a blueprint

Starting point is 00:26:43 for the square footage of your gym and the amount of traffic you'd have, you should have X amount of trainers to support that. And that, remember, and so as a manager, you had this quota that you wanted to get up, like, oh, you're supposed to, you're supposed to have 22 trainers for the size of this facility and this not.

Starting point is 00:26:59 And so they would push that. And so, if I lost down to 18 trainers, so I'd be on this hiring spree and we'd try and hire these people. And so I get to my third, my last club I finished up at. And it was one of the biggest ones. And that was it was supposed to be around 20 something trainers. And I believe Justin, you were a part of it when I went, I was all the way down to eight at one point. I was just going to say, and I remember I just said, you know what, I don't believe this. I don't believe this to be true. I believe if I had five to eight stunts,

Starting point is 00:27:28 just superstars that we could carry this business. And I predicted that they would be happier because they would be more fed and taken care of. They'd be overwhelmed with their schedule. Plus I think it was a culture of success, a culture of everybody, a culture of... Everybody's a winner. Yeah, they were versus what the typical makeup of a team

Starting point is 00:27:52 is 80-20 rule. 80% of them weren't making very much money, and then 20% were making all the money. You'd have 22 trainers, and five of them were ripping. Or I'd say two of them are really ripping, three of them are doing pretty good. And then the rest were like average or below average. And I flipped that model on its head and I remember them like the company putting a lot

Starting point is 00:28:14 of pressure on me for doing that. I said no, luckily we were, we continued to outperform the numbers. And so they allowed me to, but I mean, yeah, we proved that we could run this place with a third of the trainers that I was supposed to have in there. And I think they were, I mean, that was one of the best teams I ever had. Yeah, the biggest numbers at the month, the gyms I ever produced, and these are big box gyms where I would have four killer sales people and a training staff that was between eight to 12.

Starting point is 00:28:39 That was always that the numbers always fell right around there where everybody was a killer and crushed it. And when it got bigger than that, it tend to get bloated. You can't focus as much of your training development. But I'd have four killer sales people, which usually was assistant manager, senior sales council, and then two that were like up.

Starting point is 00:28:54 If I had that, you know, you give me a 40,000 square foot jam with a, you know, $253,000 or $1,000 goal. And we're gonna. Well, it created this culture. And it's funny that we wouldn't think this or that the company didn't think this because When you would onboard someone new so I got so I get this point where and just ones apart of this team We had eight just everyone's a master trainer everyone's crushing everyone's making great money And then I you know higher number nine brand new kid, you know off the street or what I'm coming into the in the

Starting point is 00:29:21 His his bar is set so high because everybody on the team is a, and quickly they identify if they got what it takes to try and keep up with these guys or they quit and move on and then you go on to the next one. And so I think the power of that isn't grow versus you got a team of 80% of them are, you know, average or below average. And then they kind of go like, I'm doing all right, I just got here. I've only been here for a couple of months and I'm already doing almost as good as Mark and Sandy

Starting point is 00:29:50 and Richard, you know what I'm saying? So they let off the throttle versus looking up at these eight trainers that are killing it all the time. So it's interesting that there's companies and people that still live, which also, example of what we're seeing with Elon Musk and Twitter and you're starting to see all these companies starting. You're going to cut like half or a third of the workforce of Twitter.

Starting point is 00:30:12 Yeah. And they're performing better. Yeah. And now you have all these other companies that are starting to reevaluate that. You know what? The tech market was so bloated. It was so it was so competitive. So much money was just flying around.

Starting point is 00:30:25 Do you know what, you just didn't have to speak to that? This blew me away. I didn't know how this worked until I was listening and credit the all-in podcast. They were dropping some knowledge on this and I didn't know that you could do this. So a lot of what factored into the bloat in the tech, in Silicon Valley is this ability to hand out shares and it not come off the balance sheet, meaning, and I'll just use like some random numbers. Let's say the company makes $100 million a year.

Starting point is 00:30:59 If you go out and you spend $50 million on employees and stuff to keep the business running, like you only made $50 million on employees and stuff like to keep the business running, like that you only made $50 million, right? So you have to deduct that. But if you handed out $50 million worth of shares to employees, then that doesn't come off the balance sheet. You still are $100 million. So the green.

Starting point is 00:31:18 So they appear to their investors as being, super, yes, super profitable. But you're, I mean, you're still, but you're still living the shit. Because all those people could technically go and cash in and then it would be, but it doesn't. So it comes, it's in a different category. And so you have a lot of these tech companies,

Starting point is 00:31:36 and that's why they were going these crazy hiring sprees. They give out, that's why people love switching from Facebook to Google or hop around these, because they get these great packages. Oh, we'll sign you for $100,000 a year, but then we're gonna give you 300,000 in shares or what that's like, oh, yeah, that's a 400K come up. And so people are hopping.

Starting point is 00:31:56 And then meanwhile, they don't have to show that 300K loss or hit to the business because it's not a hard cost like buying dollars. Yeah, dollars are asking. I'm just gonna expose to investors. because it's not a hard cost like buying a dollar. Yeah, dollars are exposed to investors. So it's getting it. So that a lot of this everything that's happening right now with the recession and the pullback is this is what they're all getting exposed by that. So I didn't know that.

Starting point is 00:32:16 I didn't know that. I didn't know that was a thing. Yeah, I know. I heard that. Because getting investment money was real crazy. There was a mad hustle for that and it was like happening everywhere. The investing in like all these companies around incubators popping it up everywhere. So that's all kind of stalling.

Starting point is 00:32:30 You know what that, because obviously we live here. And I have a lot of family at works in that space. You hear a lot of these success stories like, oh, so and so retired, got crazy cashed out, crazy amounts of shares, so and so do. That's the small minority. The vast majority of people that get shares, especially with startups, they end up making nothing. They end up coming out and not making it. A lot of sweat equity with no return. Yeah, so it's like, you hear those success stories which makes you think like this is the way to do that.

Starting point is 00:32:54 Well, that's the dream, they're selling. Yeah, well, it was always a dream. Especially in the last 10 years. I mean, there's been more success stories of startups. And false. My sister went to work at Zoom was a million around paper for a second there during the pandemic. And then it could grow. How much of her stomach did she get? She lost. I had to leave the company. I mean, because you saw

Starting point is 00:33:14 this, you know, and you couldn't catch that. And you said, no, you have to do it for a certain period of time. Oh, because she was new. New. At one point, she'd already been there for a millionaire on paper at one point. And then all of a sudden to do everything went down. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's what you know, that happens all the time

Starting point is 00:33:30 to people in that space. Typical. Yeah, that's pretty good. Well, I mean, sometimes you get lucky. My niece was on the better side of that. So she, she rode, she was with Facebook early on. Yeah. She got a bunch of shares on it.

Starting point is 00:33:42 Four years ago now, three or four years ago now, like right before the pandemic So that she bought her first house She pulled out all she cashed out her shares to put the down payment on the house those same shares today Now would be worth one third. So she basically got it. Oh, yeah, I mean she wasn't even trying to try it I was just like she wanted to buy a house at the time I actually think her remember advising her like oh maybe not a good time to buy a place right now But looking back now that was a brilliant move on her part

Starting point is 00:34:06 to cash her stock out. Yeah, I have a cousin, and then I have a cousin who's, you know, millionaire from doing that, working in a company to start up with shares. But I know way more people that did that in and up with nothing, but that's the promise, right? That's why it's so exciting. Anyway, I wanted to bring this up, Justin,

Starting point is 00:34:20 because I know you wrote this in your notes. We have to talk about, which one? Seamostres and Whale. Oh, yeah, okay, yes. Did I know this? What is it? I know this, this in your notes. We have to talk about which one. Seamostres and whales. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yes. I know this.

Starting point is 00:34:29 I know this. I want to know what monster and whales. So there's this interesting correlation here. So seamostres of the past, like they've spotted them. A lot of times, like they're described as almost like prehistoric, right? Like surfing. Like a serpent or like some kind of head at the top that like is poking out of the water.

Starting point is 00:34:47 Like, messy. Yeah, like, messy. And this is one of those things, yeah, exactly. And so they've noticed this phenomenon, like, you know, in the deep ocean, somewhere, and. And it's been written about for hundreds of years and, you know, nautical books, and you know, from the 1300s, 1800s.

Starting point is 00:35:02 Right. And, you know, we see in some, everybody's like, there has to be sea monsters out there. If there are so many people have written about these and they all sound the same, it's been happening for hundreds and hundreds of years, maybe even in some paintings that are thousands of years old, you'll see stuff like this.

Starting point is 00:35:15 Yeah, but they think they know what the answer is. Yeah, so there's this interesting ritual, I guess I should say, with whales. So is the breed. I guess I should say with whales. So is the breed. And so they, I'm not too sure whether or not they stick with one part. Basically, they have multiple partners.

Starting point is 00:35:34 So as they breed, sometimes while one of the whale, so if they're having like a threesome, let's just say with threesome, let's just say, uh, with there's whale threesome, I just found this out. One of them, as it waits, flips itself up. And so basically what you're seeing is the whale's penis at the top of the surface. It's a whale dick. Really? Yeah. So it's waiting there, show me what some whale dick looks like. It's waiting there all excited. It's really just a mess. It's a whale penis looks like three months ago. We. We all dick. Okay. This is really just a mess. We'll penis looks like three months.

Starting point is 00:36:07 We should go on like a week where we like intentionally like talk about things that like you still look like. Yeah. So this is it's necessary. So for example, the lock this monster obviously it's a lake. Yeah. So that cannot be. But that is an example.

Starting point is 00:36:22 Yeah. Exactly. So it just looks like that because of, it looks like the head of a, something popping out of the water. It's pretty big. But it's, yeah, I mean, it's impressive. There it is.

Starting point is 00:36:35 It is a whale at the end of the day. Well, bro, that looks very much so like that. Meanwhile, it's a freaking, it's a whale flashing you. Yeah, it's showing it's Johnson. It's a whale dick pic. That, it's showing it's Johnson. It's a whale dick pic. That is his biggest sales car. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:36:49 It's a tiny did it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We'll call back. Yeah, full circle. So he, okay, so if you- That's the whale that's waiting. Right, okay, so if you ever see a whale penis out in the ocean,

Starting point is 00:37:00 out out out out. It's a freaky stuff going on. That means there's probably a three-some going on. Underneath, there is- And he's waiting his turn. Yeah, exactly. He's waiting his turn Interesting Real Fred I thought chapstick was made out of well dick remember that

Starting point is 00:37:23 Seamon so yeah,, that's what you got. I remember you guys corrected me. I was like, isn't, cause I saw you. This is not the first time Justin's brought well dick up. I'm here for the facts. So that's the first time. You know what, one of the most expensive,

Starting point is 00:37:36 one of the most expensive things you can find from the ocean is I think whale vomit. Whale vomit. Whale vomit. Yep. Why? Look it up, Doug. Whale vomit. Whale vomit. Yep. Why? Look it up, Doug. Whale vomit.

Starting point is 00:37:47 When it eats a string of type is jellyfish. What's it called? Ambergris. And for medicine like a delicacy. Potions and as a spice. They use it for a bunch of stuff. And who uses a stabilized ascent to find perfumes. Yes, yeah.

Starting point is 00:38:00 And what's the cost of it per pound or whatever? It's ridiculous, dude. Yeah, if you found a huge goop of it on the the beach like you're ballin. Yeah, it's like gold. Wales are weird. I'd really weird. Yeah, like it's they they have what kind of industry around 10,000 bucks per pound. $10,000 a pound, bro. Whoa, right? Look at animals to be a whale. Whoa. That's gonna be a collect and that vomit. It's illegal in the US.

Starting point is 00:38:27 It's illegal. It's illegal to collect, keep or sell because it's part of an endangered marine mammal. It throws it up. Is it just from sperm whale or like what's, is it a specific time whale? Yeah, it is sperm whale. Justin, very good.

Starting point is 00:38:38 Very good. Wow. He knows his whale. Justin's on fire. Yeah. Wait, why would he make that illegal? Doesn't the whale get rid of it? It's like, or the afraid that we're gonna like that people will capture them. Yeah, it's probably yeah, make them puke.

Starting point is 00:38:51 Yeah, that would make sense. Come on, guys, party. Yeah. That's a lot of it. So all right, more stuff, Justin, that you wrote down that you failed to pick up, bring up, but I want to hear. Oh, man. Oh, man. I want to hear. Tori's for bringing notes. He's not. He puts notes up. So I'm always like, well, we get, we go on these tangents and then it's like such a no-brop. I want to hear. Oh man. Oh man. I want to hear. Tori's for bringing notes. He puts notes up there. I'm always like, well we get, we go on these tangents and then it's like such a no-brop.

Starting point is 00:39:08 Get a wedge yourself in there with Sal. Yeah, okay. Well, this is a wee thing about me. You. Yeah. Challenger. So yeah, you know the challenger, right? The new up.

Starting point is 00:39:18 Yeah. The rocket with the head, the broad. Was that 1984? 1984. That's one of the saddest things I've ever watched. And as a kid. Did you guys watch that as kids? Yes one of the saddest things I remember watching is a kid. Did you guys watch that as kids?

Starting point is 00:39:26 I watched it live and I remembered crying with, did you, with my friend's mom, like we were watching it together and I was just like, oh my, because it crashed and blew up. Dude, we're gonna get to the conspiracy but this was a vivid, this was a huge, well it wasn't a mistake from the school.

Starting point is 00:39:41 I guess they didn't know this was gonna happen but they gathered all the kids in the classroom. Now, why did they do this? It was one of the first teachers to go up to space. Yeah, we were in a school teacher. That was on the challenger. So they had all the, all these kids, I remember we were sitting in the classroom and then they do the countdown. The whole class is doing the countdown. So it's 1984. So I got to be in like second grade. Maybe. And we're like, 10, 9, 8. And then it takes off. And we're like, yeah.

Starting point is 00:40:06 And then it goes up and it blows up. And I'll never forget the teachers turned off the TV. And then I saw the teacher go out the door and they were crying. And we were so confused. Yeah. Silence of the kids. Yeah, we were like, what's going on here?

Starting point is 00:40:18 It was such a bummer. It happened. But anyway, I want to hear this. Yes, so apparently there's this sort of conspiracy that's working its way around. That's a funny one. It's, I don't know if there's any truth to it or anything, but it's basically that there's been signs

Starting point is 00:40:37 of some of the astronauts that were on there that are still alive, that what they would look like when they're older, even with a very similar name or the same exact name they're using and their professor somewhere else at like a college and there's some examples of what's the motive why would they pretend to kill them? Have no idea there's nothing around that it's just weird that it's like it blew up we all saw it blow up but now now, you can see later on,

Starting point is 00:41:05 and hopefully you can find Doug, some of the astronauts, they showed what they would look like today. And then you see these people that they brought up as examples, it's trippy, that they look exactly like it could be them. But why would they fake it? Exploding.

Starting point is 00:41:24 One of them, Zach, apparently, is his brother, the bottom right. And then, you know, like, these are all, these are all just older people that have like the same name as the astronaut. And look like them. And look like them. So it's like two factors.

Starting point is 00:41:41 Like they use the same name and they look just like them, but like a really older version of them. Wow. And you're like, what? Why would they do that? Maybe because they were gonna... Are they still alive? Like they were gonna reveal the secret

Starting point is 00:41:51 that Earth is actually flat. Is that what it was? Oh God. I'm telling it flat. Yeah, did I hear it? Did you just... Anytime anybody goes to the flat Earth, they don't do conspiracy theories.

Starting point is 00:42:01 They do the best conspiracy theories link together several conspiracy theories. This is true. You have to connect all of them. This is true. I have something to do. link together several conspiracy theories. This is true. You have to connect all of them. This is true. I have something to do. I have no idea why. That is not a conspiracy theory, but I mean, I love when I see like really interesting or

Starting point is 00:42:15 smart potential business ideas. It's a whale vomit. Hear me out. Yeah. Yeah, you hear me out of the third. Our new side venture for Mind Pump. So I dug a lot to search this because I don't know the names of these pods, what they're called now, but I just, I think it's brilliant. I hear me out this is our new side venture for Mind Pump. So Doug got the searches because I don't know the names of these pods,

Starting point is 00:42:27 what they're called now, but I just I think it's brilliant. They're starting to pop up in airports. I foresee these being lined. Are these the sleep pods? Yes. Were there like a credit card thing? I love that.

Starting point is 00:42:39 I think that's brilliant. Hell yeah. And I think that you're gonna see those just lined up. I'm 100% using it. How many people are gonna have a sex in there? I mean, probably. You know what I'm saying? All the above probably have sex in there,

Starting point is 00:42:52 sleep in there, read in there, do all the above in there. You know what I'm saying? You gotta always be there. There they are right there. I think you just fit one. Miss using it. Yeah, let's say one person. I love that because you have a layover for four hours.

Starting point is 00:43:04 Oh yeah. I was taking nap. Can I go take a nap? Yeah, I told you guys when I had to stay in When Jessica and I flew to Thailand, we got these really cheap tickets and then we realized why they were cheap We didn't notice that the cut it looked like we only had a two hour layover But we didn't notice the date was a day later. So we had a 26 hour. Oh my god layover And I had to and I was in China, and I couldn't leave the airport. So like all those hours, you had to be in the airport.

Starting point is 00:43:29 And the airport. Oh, okay, look at the ones that are in Japan. Yeah, they've had these for years. In Japan. They call capsule hotels. You can just run them for a night. It's a little capsule you stay in. I thought that's a brilliant idea.

Starting point is 00:43:41 Super smart. And it is, you're the, actually, the person who shared it with me the reason when they actually so I was like, Oh, this is a brilliant business. But that's not why they were sharing it with me because of our point of moving in this direction of being isolated and not being social and like, like, look at where this and that I could totally see this being normalized where you go to the airport. There's no more all this crazy congestion or everybody's in their pods. It's like silent. Can you imagine going to the airport and like the only people that are food going inside the little? Yeah, right and then they're you're in there and you're in these your isolated and it's silent because of these soundproof little pods and stuff like that

Starting point is 00:44:12 Like and then think of all the other things where you're in these crowded areas We get a wait in line or do them with that if they adopt start adopting this kind of concept of where you'd like isolate From everybody so you have privacy and you pay a small fee. So you have that privacy. That's awesome. I'm going to go forward. Yeah, I know. I would love that.

Starting point is 00:44:31 That's where I know it's going to work because it's like, even though I'm not a fan of moving in this direction where we're all less and less social, but the truth is, what, that's an area where I don't want to be bugged and I could see myself. You can't just seem though if you think of places like I have preferred, I don't mind being social and I like being social if I'm out like in bugged and I could see myself. You'd just seem though if you think of places, like I prefer, I don't mind being social and I like being social if I'm out like in a town and I'm going checking out stores and whatever, but like at the airport, like get away from me.

Starting point is 00:44:53 Like I don't know what it is, maybe it's the stress, like it's already a stressful place. That's why. You're already knowing. And then everybody's just all up on top. I hate it and I hate when you go through, when they have to, you gotta do the, take your shoes off or what is that area called?

Starting point is 00:45:08 They check your security. Security, I hate that. You know what, even if it's a short line, I feel like I'm being rushed, like crazy. Well, there's so much urgency over nothing. Like people get up and trying to like, push through and then get in your bag. I can't help but think that's stupid thing that scans me.

Starting point is 00:45:22 You gotta put your arms like this and they scan you and they always think I have those, you have to check my afterwards. I can't help but think that stupid thing that scans me get put drums like this and they scan you And they always think I have those you have to check me afterwards. I can't help but think I'm getting like hello radiation So yeah, so another thing I have for Justin Because it's already aware of this so I saw a post on Instagram and it was showing basically how some people can speed read Or maybe even how they're going to like write stuff in the future and it was showing basically how some people can speed read or maybe even how they're going to write stuff in the future, I don't even know what the whole post concept was, but it like the minute I looked at it.

Starting point is 00:45:52 So it was like a whole paragraph, like I read it like in two seconds, and I'm a terrible reader. You did? Yeah, bro. So what? Sorry, it's an actual lesson. I was going to be at the little less surprise asshole.

Starting point is 00:46:03 I know. It's like this. You read. You put three things together. So what it, so what it is is this paragraph and the first three letters of every word were in bold and the rest were just regular. And then your brain predicts it. And even and as as slow as I am at reading, I read that should hell of fast.

Starting point is 00:46:26 I was like, oh, and right away I showed Saddamit. Is this how you read? You must have this ability to just see the first three letters really quick and do that. But because it was done in bold, my brain picked it up right away and I was able to read it super fast. Exactly. So why would they not do all books like this? Like it wouldn't the future of printing book,

Starting point is 00:46:45 it would make sense. Jim Cricks hacks? Right. I don't even know where. You know, they can also take, they can also take the first two letters and last letter, and then the ones in the middle, jump them up and you'll still know what the word is.

Starting point is 00:46:56 Because real reading or fast reading or efficient reading is predictive. It's not sounding out. Of course not. We're brain is always doing that. It's not sounding out. Of course not, we're brain is always doing that. It's impossible. Connect, yeah. I mean, that's how I read is sounding it out in my head

Starting point is 00:47:10 as I go. And I know that you read way, get it done way faster, that has to be because you're predicting what the word is. I just, and of course, all the books I read, I try, but I can't seem to wrap my brain around. I got all skinned, but then I miss a lot of the meat of it Well that when I saw that it completely like unlocked it for me. Yeah, you don't

Starting point is 00:47:30 No, so that's I'll just go the same thing and she goes well think about how much more you absorb if you read slower And I said no no no one you guys know this about me focus more when I mean to something and I read real fast I remember everything no, I actually think you mean, remember when I told you guys that hack when Tom Bill you got me to listen at a faster speed. I mean, I do that too. I do that too. I actually, I take in more than if I'm listening to a slope, I'm slow, it's so easy, I can be distracted thinking

Starting point is 00:47:56 out of the things and then I trail off, whereas if it's super fast, I have to focus as like what you're doing. If you're only leading that reading the first three letters, your brain has to be working to predict. So you're consuming everything that way. It just, it kind of completely blew my mind. Like I did not, and then I was like,

Starting point is 00:48:11 why wouldn't everything be in written? Why would you not write everything in this? Adam, I got your business idea for you. Convert all books to that. And app that does that. All you do is you put your download your book and just highlights the, it just bolts the letters first three.

Starting point is 00:48:23 Speed reading app. Are you looking at that up, Doug? Yeah, I am. I'm not getting a lot of details yet. Maybe Andrew has something over there, but there's a three, first three letters of first three word. Three letters of every word.

Starting point is 00:48:36 Oh, of every word, okay. Yeah, first three letters of every word were bold. And the whole word was there, but it was bold, and then the rest of the word was like really light. And so my brain just focused on the first three letters. And it's crazy, because as you're reading it, you're not only you start predicting, but you start to put what they're trying to communicate.

Starting point is 00:48:54 And so I can get, I saw myself getting ahead real quick. It was wild, so wild. It's called myonic reading. That's what it's called. Yeah, I just, it's a, it's called myonic. Bionic. Bionic reading.

Starting point is 00:49:04 Yeah, so a Swiss topography designer has a low text alert, so this helps people read fast. He discovered that bolding the initial parts of words allows the eyes to focus only on them, allowing the brain to quickly fill in the rest of the word. It's something that could be very welcome for anyone who's availed themselves of one of the best Kindle deals to get themselves a new e-reader. So it's called bionic reading. So that the Kindle does it already? I don't know, but I think it's gotta exist

Starting point is 00:49:28 as an app or something. Somebody has to have that. Look that up because I'm gonna first sure going to do that. And I would love to try and read a book like that and see what I do. You just apply it, right? It would take the, yeah, Bionic Reading, look at that.

Starting point is 00:49:41 Interesting. It was super wild to see that and just without trying. Yeah. I mean, it just I was with your. Yeah. I'm going to try it out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, I went down a rabbit hole of reading about the training and because I find I thought to myself, I said, this is an athlete that might be interesting to read about because their performance is actually quite remarkable. And've never really truly studied them before. So I went down to rap, hold a sumo wrestlers. I did, well look, I'll tell you what,

Starting point is 00:50:10 you can get it. Oh, there's super high performance athletes. Sumo wrestlers are for all intents and purposes. The big guys are obese, but they have tremendous flexibility and strength, and dexterity, and stamina. Go ahead, Doug, you found it. Yeah, so there's an app in the app store. Called Bionic Readies.

Starting point is 00:50:26 Bionic Readies. Getting it right now. Oh, I'm getting it right now. And you see a Justin, see how it looked, just like that one right there. Yeah. Very cool. So sometimes it's not three letters.

Starting point is 00:50:36 Sometimes it's only two. Sometimes it's one, right? Is that right? Yeah, it depends on how many words it is. Right, it's like a longer word. It's better than the word. Can you drop a book in there? That's what it says. Okay. Oh. Oh, I'm downloading it right.

Starting point is 00:50:46 Interesting. Anyway, so so mo restless. All right. Back to that. So big people, big dudes, many of them obese at the higher weight classes, crazy flexibility. They could do the splits. They're strong as hell, mobile fast super fast, twitch. How do they like train like what do they do? What do they eat? So their diet is really interesting. So you know what they do? They train fast twitch. How do they like train like what do they do? What do they eat? So their diet is really interesting. So you know what they do? they train fasted hard to exhaustion and around noon They eat a meal and that they say basically you train until you're starving and then you eat so much food

Starting point is 00:51:18 You feel like you can't eat anymore and the meal that they eat is there. There's a traditional dish called Chonkla Nabe. I think it's called that it does. It's the soup pasta. That's like, no, it's like meat. There's different kind of there it is. Meat vegetables. There's there's there can be ramen in there. It's this big pot of stew. It's a very digestible that way. It's a very high calorie high protein dish. Have you ever had it? I have a couple times. It looks so far. No, it's not. So it's meat, it's vegetables, it's a broth.

Starting point is 00:51:49 They eat that and then after they've done that, they'll put rice or noodles in there. And then eat the rest. They eat the rest. They eat the rest. They do have apparently they drink beer and other things. So I thought, what do they do anything unhealthy? Because they don't eat fast food.

Starting point is 00:52:04 The traditional sumo restaurants don't eat ton of fast food or garbage. They drink a lot of beer and other things. So I thought, do they do anything unhealthy? Because they don't eat fast food. The traditional sumo restaurants don't eat ton of fast food or garbage. They drink a lot of beer and sake. So apparently that's another thing that they include in their diet for the way. Lots of rice though, too. Yeah, interest. But the tradition around sumo that I've been reading about

Starting point is 00:52:18 is so fascinating to me. So when you start, this is a traditional sumo, right? When you start as a kid, oftentimes they go into the kid. It's very technical. Sumo's got techniques and skills like judo or any other grappling art. They go in and you are basically like, you have to clean, you have to wash other summa wrestlers, you do what they tell you. Like you are nothing until you work your way up and then become a recognized wrestler yourself.

Starting point is 00:52:44 But when you go into training, like it's all about like, you wash those diapers. Yes. I was reading about this. Like they helped wash the big sumo wrestlers. They feed them their food. They help massage them. They take care of them for the train.

Starting point is 00:52:56 So it's like you're working with least like these senseys until you yourself become that's this high level of clean man. You used to throw a jock strap. Look at the side. Oh, that's what's his name? That's Kuniski. Kuniski. Yeah, he's one of the biggest Hawaiian. Yeah, wow. He was one of the, but I mean, you see these guys, I think Kuniski was what? 600 pounds. Something like that. Yeah. So he's a 600 pound man. Okay. The guy, the way he would move for 600 pound guy is just, it would trip you out.

Starting point is 00:53:27 I've imagined that, that would be an life expectancy. Yeah, you know, you know, there's, you know, one of the biggest celebrations for a sumo wrestler, is there 40th? Is it 40th birthday dog? I'm not sure. Maybe look it up, it's like a big deal. They make it that far.

Starting point is 00:53:39 If they, when they turn 40, it's like a big deal. So they're regarded as in Japan, they're like big time superst superstars. Yeah over there That's so wild. Yeah, if we ever go to Japan. Oh, wait, I definitely would like to see one of those matches It'd be crazy. Oh, yes, and they'll they'll they'll smack each other in the face some of them are fast some of them are Japanese Japanese male lives to 85. Oh, yeah, they have one of the highest Life expectancy. Yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Because I was like 65. I mean, bad for a for a, I mean, that's longer than our 60 to 65. That's better than our NFL, NFL players.

Starting point is 00:54:12 Well, so think about this. You're your obese, you're this massive person. But you still live to 60 65. That's what goes to show you. I know that their traditional way of being massive is healthier. Yeah. I mean, they're still they still have, I'm sure they have some pretty decent cardio, right? They gotta have some decent cardio to be in a sumo match. They train really hard, they do lots of flexibility training, lots of foot stomping, lots of pounding on the ground. I guess it helps them with their speed and dexterity. So I'm looking more into it,

Starting point is 00:54:40 because I'm like, what is there, I wonder if there's something I could look for? The new MAP sumo? Yeah, it's a lot of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Glossier 600 pounds in adjoke. Bull like a sumo.

Starting point is 00:54:49 By the way, so here's, you want to talk about. We're in a bull. You want to talk about shitty, right? So this is, I did know about sumo wrestlers that they ate very infrequently, because they do, they train for a long time and they eat like these, like two or three massive meals. I used to use that intermittent booking.

Starting point is 00:55:03 I used to use that as a selling point. When I was a trainer and I didn't know any better. And I thought small meals. Incurred frequency. I said, there's only one athlete in the world that doesn't eat small meals. You know which one that is a sumo wrestler. People.

Starting point is 00:55:13 Oh. Because it slows down your metabolism. That's not why. Oh man. That's not why. Did you guys see? I know. I thought it sounded so right.

Starting point is 00:55:23 I need Doug to fact check me, because I can't, I mean mean my information is coming from TikTok So you can't you can't it's pretty reliable Ben and Jerry's ice cream locks Locks yeah, like a lock for your ice cream so nobody else can eat it So no one else look it up that look it up. So look up Ben and Jerry's ice cream lock see if they and it looked real It's real it looked real. It's real. It is real, right? Walmart, Amazon. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:55:47 So it has a three digit code so it locks the top so people can. That's such a dad invention right there. So, okay, so I shared. That's your son not creative though, for you. You got to do what my dad did. Well, put it in containers of stuff that wasn't ice cream. Hey, so are you pulling it up for the guys? Yeah, I'm pulling up right now.

Starting point is 00:56:02 So I did it. I shared a TikTok issue because I won. I didn't even know this thing existed, which I thought that was hilarious and existed. And then I saw this girl. Wow, it's a legit log. It's a legit log. And it locks the top of it, right? And so this TikTok is just,

Starting point is 00:56:14 someone's just, someone's talking about it like, oh yeah, someone keeps stealing my ice cream. So I got the new Ben and Jerry. It's one of those split screens where someone's watching them. And so this girl's like talking about how she got the Ben and Jerry's thinking to someone in the family stealing and she's showing how it works with that. And there's the other girl who's watching them. And so this girl's like talking about how she got the bin and Jerry's thinking to someone in the family stealing and she's showing how it works with that. And there's the other girl who's watching the video.

Starting point is 00:56:29 And all of a sudden she picks her hand up, she's got the ice cream and it's flipped upside down. She's just cut the bottom out. She's just cut the bottom out. That's crazy. I died. I'm like, what is she doing? Yeah, it's crazy.

Starting point is 00:56:41 If you buy that for like 30 bucks, you know what I'm saying? I guess though, like then there there's definitely a culprit, right? Cause how many houses have somebody who's like, who way, I don't know. Like it was half full. My dad gets so pissed. Yes. He and my brother, we would just like take bites.

Starting point is 00:56:55 And then you know, when you take one little bite, you sneak, you go back and then see how much you can get. You know what, you know what made my dad so mad once, is that he would buy Neopolitan. I think it is where it's like it's like chocolate strawberry vanilla and We would eat we would just we would just scoop out the strawberry Yeah, we would do that with like the cookie dough. We just eat the cookie dough balls Yeah, we would do that with like the cookie dough. We just eat the cookie dough balls I thought this was cookie dough ice cream. You know, yeah, you know what I use a piss me off my mom would never buy like the expensive Serials will always like the multi meal whatever but every once in a while she'd be like I'm gonna buy Lucky Charter

Starting point is 00:57:38 You know the marshmallows I go pour it out no marshmallows my brother was like that He's a psychopath. Oh, I leave me with like who who in the right mind is just gonna eat the bits the oats No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, member, Max. Yeah, with the frog on it. And I just love it. Oh, excuse me, a good day. And I go to my younger sibling, like, you guys want some smash? That's like one of those, that's like one of those, they, like, exactly know, like, this is like crack. Yeah, this is like a drug. It was a smash. Here you go.

Starting point is 00:58:16 God, what would happen to you now if you made a bowl of one of them serials? Oh, yeah, it's exclusively running for the bathroom. Wait, what's the last time any of you had actually like a traditional ball, not magic spoon, a traditional bowl of ice cream, a cereal? Yeah. Oh, I had a, I thought I, I thought I,

Starting point is 00:58:32 I thought you said, I had cereals. Honey, that cereal's here. Oh, you did? I can't make it here one day and I'm like, I need some carbs and I'm trying to bulk a little bit. I ran out of, I forgot to bring some. So I stopped the grocery store and I bought honey, that cereal's, I'm like, I had these for a while,

Starting point is 00:58:44 gluten free It's not that bad. I always hate how he smells bro. I honey that Cheerios. Oh, oh Cheerios are awful. You don't like Cheerios honey that cheerios all of them. Okay. Yeah, there's a Anyways, I ate a whole big bum. I'm right in here. I crashed That's I mean, I guess it's kind of serial. I was thinking like a real lucky charm. No, it was like, I had a whole lot of that. I had a lot of that crunch.

Starting point is 00:59:09 Yeah, I was, too. It was like a couple of years ago where we were camping. And it was like, for some reason there's association with like camping, you just eat like shitty food. Like, you're just like, oh, hot dogs and sugar cereal. It was a thing. So yeah, that was the first time I had it with my kids and they were like, oh my God.

Starting point is 00:59:28 I was kipping them, like heroin or something. It's crazy. It's engineered kids. Do we have a shout out for today? You did, you had two. Oh yeah, I did. Sit to sit to it and then you forget to shout out. I have one of you can't find it, dude.

Starting point is 00:59:42 Oh, shit, I gotta go look for it now. I don't know what you're saying. I just saw the text before we started the podcast. Jerry sent over to people that said, sal asked me to remind you. Oh, here we go. Instagram, get mom strong. This is a pregnancy and postpartum fitness specialist

Starting point is 00:59:56 on Instagram. Get mom strong. Good stuff. Let's take a little more relevant than mine. Hey, look, check this out. There's a company called Paleo Valley that makes grass-fed meat sticks that are delicious. They're not dry like most beef jerkeys.

Starting point is 01:00:10 They're high protein, quality snacks on the go. By the way, Paleo Valley makes lots of paleo-inspired products. Go check them out and get a discount. Go to paleovali.com-flour-slash-mind-pump. Use the code MindPump15 for 15% off your first order. All right, here comes the rest of the show. Our first caller is Russ from Florida. Russ, what's happening, man?

Starting point is 01:00:30 How can we help you? It is a great day out here already. So, a couple of questions, but one of the big ones is satiety when it comes to hunger in bulking and cutting phases. I don't know if it's specifically me, but I follow like a high protein, high carb, high fat diet, but I'm never satiated when it comes to like all my food. Are we trying to bulk or what are you trying to do right now? What's the problem? Right now I'm trying to bulk put on some more size and more muscle. So right now, when I'm cutting,

Starting point is 01:01:06 it's even more kind of painful. I stay with 1.1, 1.4 range of protein per pound and I can never full, ever. Okay, so I'm looking at you. You look pretty fit. I see your stats here. You're a muscular dude, 5.11, 208, 15% body fat. That's a good body fat percentage. Not really in your 22, so you're a muscular dude, 5.11, 208, 15% body fat, that's a good body fat percentage.

Starting point is 01:01:27 Not really in your 22, so you're young. Not really an issue if you're trying to bulk, right? If you're trying to bulk, well then that just helps. It helps eat, but this is probably more of a challenge when you're trying to cut. Does this feel like a big deal to you? Like what is wrong with me? Or is it just, hey, I keep eating

Starting point is 01:01:46 and I feel like I want to eat more? Hunger pain? I got to explain this because there's actual like medical conditions that can cause insatiable hunger, where you would want to get checked by a professional. And then there's like the typical, you know, I'm a young dude, lift weights,

Starting point is 01:02:01 got a lot of muscle, fast metabolism, I like to eat more, you know, type of issues. So, fast metabolism, I like to eat more, type of issues. So, and is this out of the ordinary? In other words, if you experience a dramatic change in your appetite, versus how you maybe used to be? I guess the problem is, when I'm cutting specifically, I eat 2300 calories, I can't keep focused on any of my activities. When it comes to just normal activities, I'm't keep focused on any amount of activities. When it comes to just normal activities, I'm always thinking about the next meal.

Starting point is 01:02:29 And I have it all, you know, I've meal prep and everything like that. But it's kind of an overbearing feeling of I want more food. That's because 2300 calories is low for a dude your size, especially if you're then you have another says 3,800 calories. So assuming is 3,800 calories the bulk? That's what I'm gonna put on a little bit more I'm at 2,214 right now. Yeah, bro, that's a big gap.

Starting point is 01:02:53 Yeah, I would not. So 3,800 to cut to 2,300. Yeah, you're gonna feel that way. It's a big drop. You're gonna feel that way. Your cut should, I wouldn't, I wouldn't have you cut. Yeah, 3,000, that's right, have you go.

Starting point is 01:03:02 And 2,300 is way too low of a cut. I mean, maybe a day or two, but it's just too big of a gap. And you're gonna feel really strong cravings from that. I also wanna point out this interesting phenomenon when it comes to bulking and cutting. I think it's so interesting how our bodies want homeostasis so bad that anything just outside of that is Uncomfortable right so like my my entire life of bulking was hard because I had a hard time Hitting that calorie threshold in order to put me in like a bulk and then when it's time to cut it felt like I was

Starting point is 01:03:40 Hungry all the time. It's just it's it's actually very normal to be that way, but This is extreme to go from 3,800 all the way down to 23rd, it's too much, you don't need to do that. Russ, to give you an example, let's say you were to compete on a bodybuilding stage. So you're gonna get down to a unhealthy body fat percentage, because when you get on bodybuilding stage, you're gonna walk on there, 2% body fat, 3% body fat,

Starting point is 01:04:04 just shredded, and it's not a healthy body fat percentage. The, you would end at 2,300 calories, or maybe even more. In other words, if you did a bodybuilding cut, which I would not recommend to anybody unless you're trying to compete, you would probably end at 2,300. So for you to go from 38 to 2,300, that's extreme.

Starting point is 01:04:24 I would have you at 3,,300. So for you to go from 38 to 2300, that's extreme. I would have you at 3,000 calories. And that will give you some nice, consistent fat loss. And it's going to be way more manageable. But to cut from, you know, that's, you're cutting a tremendous effort. That's 15 hour calories over a thousand. Yeah. That's at your diet just to bring you down to 2300. You're going to feel, you're're gonna feel terrible. You're gonna probably feel fatigued, performance issues, sleep issues, libido may change, you'll notice lots of cravings to supplement that. So your cut's just too big.

Starting point is 01:04:55 Part of this challenge too is like, the design. I did. Go ahead. So this is my 3,800 what I put in was what I'm at right now. I just got maybe four, four months ago I've been working my way up to 3,800 and I worked my way down from 3,500 on my last cut So I did it in slow progression, but I wasn't losing more weight and that's where I ended because I didn't want to go any lower than 23 But in the bulk right now I'm always hungry. I'm more hungry,

Starting point is 01:05:25 bulking no matter how much I eat. Ooh, let me ask you this, Russ. How are your strength gains right now in the gym? Strength gains are out of the roof. I'm getting much stronger than that. Yeah, you know, you know what's happening? You're in a muscle, bro. Yeah, you're in like a really anabolic state. One of the number one signs that I get for me and for clients when we're building and everything's going right besides strength gains is hunger.

Starting point is 01:05:50 They're just like, man, I wanna eat more and then we go to the gym and they just get stronger and then eat more and they get stronger. You're really Annabelleic right now, so that's not a bad sign that you're eating 3800 calories, you're still hungry and your strength is, according to you, doing a really, are you hitting PRs?

Starting point is 01:06:04 Are you stronger than you've ever been? Yes, yeah. I hit, I'm hit, I don't do one rep max. I do more like boxed four by four type maxes, and I just hit 285 for six on incline, so. Yeah, you're a strong kid, dude. You're good. You're doing good.

Starting point is 01:06:21 You're doing good. Honestly, if you're at 3,800 and you still feel hungry, you could probably hover right around there and you'll slowly build and lean out. Yeah, good point. It's just a slow, I mean, this is the hard part, right? And I get it, you know, you want things faster. And so you're like, oh, so you aggressively bulk

Starting point is 01:06:38 or you aggressively cut, but it's like, you're eating a good amount of calories. You're getting stronger inside the gym. You're still hungry so your body's probably telling you, you could handle more calories, but you keep it a good amount of calories. You're getting stronger inside the gym. You're still hungry so that your body's probably telling you, you could handle more calories, but you keep it right around 3,800. I bet you would night you'd slowly, and I tell you what.

Starting point is 01:06:52 Composition change. Yeah, just stay at 3,800. Trust the process for like three weeks. Chest your body fat again, and I bet you your body fat percentage goes down. Even if the scale doesn't move. And honestly, that means you're in a beautiful sweet spot. I bet you drop a percent.

Starting point is 01:07:05 The Goldilocks, though. Yeah, probably a percent to a percent half every three weeks, which is slow, but you're gonna be building muscle at the same time. That's a nice place to be. By the way, 15% is a good, healthy, athletic, body fat percentage. It's not like shredded, but it's good.

Starting point is 01:07:18 It's a great body fat percentage to be added to build. And if you cut, you can get down to 10%, I think we'd be able to get you down to 10% pretty well, but I love what Adam just said. I think he's 100% right. If you stay at 3,300 calories, kept training properly, kept getting stronger, you'd probably slowly lean out.

Starting point is 01:07:35 Okay, yeah, I've been trying to keep it and not worry about the cutting phase because I'm just kind of enjoying the food right now because it was a long cut. It was too long. It was like six months, so it was almost a problem of like that lower calorie range. Yeah, I think you're in a very sweet spot, bro. I think you would just be patient with it.

Starting point is 01:07:55 Just stick with the 3,800 calories and give it some time because I think you're going to, I think you're going to naturally lean out. And this is where I want to be, like I want to be at a place where I'm eating good amount of calories. I still feel hungry and my weight is kind of hovering around the same. And I bet you if you test your body fat in two to three weeks, you're already going down. Awesome. Yeah. So it's not unnormal to be excessively hungry eating. It's 310 grams of protein too much. Because I'm not feeling like, I feel the rest, that's in carbs. For your size, so long as you fill your digestion, it's fine. You're not having issues.

Starting point is 01:08:33 If you're not having any issues with your gut or your stool, that's fine. You're a big deal with a lot of muscle. And you're getting stronger. You feel good. You're in a really good place right now. Just gonna be patient. Gotta be patient. And you're not even and you feel good. Like you're in a really good place, right? I just gotta be patient. Yeah. Gotta be patient.

Starting point is 01:08:46 And you're not even really doing any cardio or now 15 minutes of cardio, that's it. So I would just, I would stay the course. And if you want to speed up maybe a little bit of the leaning out process, walk a couple times a day so add some movement, not cardio, not hard intense stuff. Just move more, a little bit more throughout your day, week over week, try and increase,

Starting point is 01:09:06 I love to increase steps by like 2000 a day for every week I go up a little bit, like on a client. And between that, hanging your calories right around the 3,800 and continuing to get stronger, you're gonna lean out. Yep. Cool, yep. Alrighty.

Starting point is 01:09:21 Yeah, you got it. Good job, Russ. Yeah, no problem, thank you. I was just having that quick question. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got it, man. Keep it up, bro. I have one more quick question. Oh, yeah, sure. When it comes to jobs with people that are away from the gym and that you're normal diet, what's the best program you recommend? I'm out for context. I'm a pilot and I'm going to school to be a pilot. And I know that the lifestyle is going to be completely different than how I have it set up now.

Starting point is 01:09:50 And I would like to figure out and plan and get a head of the game to program it so I can still remain healthy. If you don't have maps 15, I'll send it to you because that's very accessible and you'd be surprised at the results you get. The other option, which would be good too, is when you do have access to a gym, a full body workout, you know, even a couple days a week, is enough to at least maintain muscle and strength for someone like yourself. So it's like, okay, I can make it to the gym,

Starting point is 01:10:21 let me just train my whole body. Maybe do one or two exercises per body part, you know, type of deal. Like those two options right there, I think, do you have a mass of teen? Because if you don't, I'll send that to you. I do not. Okay, Russ.

Starting point is 01:10:31 That's like good generic advice to you. The best advice would be to hit us back when you're in it, right? So we can hear you tell us like how your sleep and stress is and when you do have days off and when you don't. And then we can give you more specifics. So like stay the course, you're doing good right now. As you, when you start a transition into being a pilot and your,

Starting point is 01:10:51 and your schedule gets flipped out, I said, I'm gonna hit us back up. I just back up and then we can talk about how you feel and what's going on. Then we can be a little bit more specific about what I think. Because it's right now we're just guessing, right? We're guessing that, oh, this would probably help you. But it's like, who knows? Maybe you feel great training the way you are. I, you know, I do understand that we just had a pilot actually do question what last week was the last week.

Starting point is 01:11:10 Yeah, he was in the Air Force. Yeah, we had it. We had it. We had a pilot on there and he had fly for 12 hours straight. And so we were helping him. So if you haven't heard that, go back to the questions. I think we just did last week. Doug, is that? Yeah, I'm not sure which episode it is. But, uh, yeah, just go back a couple. Look at the show notes. Yeah, we'll do Is that being big? It's like a problem right about but yeah, there's other like working out. I was reading on maps 15 So I like that one. Yeah, we'll send that and then listen to that you'll listen to that question when he's calling because you

Starting point is 01:11:39 Can hear us go back and forth with him and kind of troubleshoot like what a schedule looks like and what you can hear all the suggestions that we gave him Appreciate it. Thank you guys. You got it, Roger. You know what, it's funny. Like, what he just explained is an excellent place to be and he's worried about it. This is where I'm at right now,

Starting point is 01:11:57 or I feel like I'm literally eating so much food and all that's happening is I'm just building muscle and I feel lean and I feel good. And my appetite's roaring and I've been here before. I know what it, I know what, what this means. It means I'm super anabolic. It means I'm building muscle. I'm in a place, a really good place when it comes to muscle building and strength.

Starting point is 01:12:16 And I know Adam, when you were competing, you were saying, you were eating like 40 something up. I'm so, I've been, how long have I been saying that to you? I'm so envious of where you're at right now, because I remember what it's like to just have that roaring metabolism when you've been training hard and consistent and you've put on all kinds of more muscle than you've ever put on in your life. It's like, it's so, it's a great place to be

Starting point is 01:12:36 metabolically because you can get away with eating out here and there. So long as you stay consistent with your train, you hit your macro targets, you really get a lot of flexibility, and it's a really great place to be. And I mean, I'm on a mission to try and get back there again, and I've been watching you for a while.

Starting point is 01:12:51 I'm going like, God damn, I wish I could eat like that right now, because that's a fun place to be. What it is, is your 22 and you're impatient. And I get it, because I'm 40 something, and I'm still learning to be more patient, right? So it's really just that. Like you're in a really good place if you're eating 3,800 calories,

Starting point is 01:13:08 you're 15% body fat, you're fucking strong as an ox. Like you're getting stronger. Like that means you're building muscle and the reason why he's so hungry is because his body's building more muscle and it wants more calories to support it. And by him not bumping his calories, what he'll probably do is just slowly burn body fat and maintain

Starting point is 01:13:26 his lean mass. That was great advice. Yeah, so I mean, stay the course, bro. All right, our next caller is Ryan from Ireland. Ryan, what's happening? How can we help you? Oh, yeah, that's what I mean. First of all, I suppose a thank you for having me on.

Starting point is 01:13:42 It's a bit surreal actually seeing you on the screen there rather than, I'll always see you on screen anyway. It's a bit weird actually talking to you in person. I've been listening for about five years now. I love everything you guys put out. It's absolutely amazing. Thank you. Appreciate that.

Starting point is 01:14:03 Thanks for that. I'll get into me questions. So, currently I'm on a maps performance and I'm actually just after start me toward week. Just complete the fourth foundation of the day on Monday. And during the workouts I'm finding me energy is just kind of dropping off towards the end. and finding me energy is just kind of dropping off towards the end. And I suppose my question is, is there any tips you could give me in order to, like maybe reserve energy last, last, last, last longer to have the workout and that sort of stuff, or even increase overall energy.

Starting point is 01:14:40 I've been kind of resistant training for about eight or nine years now. Never really trying to find the goal. I've been working on a resistance training for about eight or nine years now. I've never really tried for any goal, or just enjoyed it, wanted to keep strong, keep healthy. Stoked more bodybuilding style training throughout the time. I also wanted to get strong at the same time, so lower volume, compound lifts and then more volume in the exercises. So yeah, any help or I'd appreciate any help you guys could give me. Yeah, there's a normal, there's a normal drop off in energy towards the end of the workout, but it sounds like you're explaining kind of like a, like I'm really getting fatigued

Starting point is 01:15:17 and it kind of, you know, dragging through the rest of the workout. Is that what you're explaining taxing you a lot? Yeah, like I would say, comment words maybe the last second or two or the exercises, like I'm feeling like I have to extend me rest period because I'm absolutely full to be honest. Yeah, so you're creating it all? I do. I do.

Starting point is 01:15:40 I've supplemented the work really thing for as long as I've been trying. So that's what I results eight million years. Oh, yeah, so we allowed red meat, and especially at the minute, because they've kind of switched the dough around about the last level of it. There's gonna be the answers probably in one of the following categories.

Starting point is 01:15:58 Well, the first one would be, you know, sleep. So if your sleep is not optimal, if you're not getting great sleep, that can have a massive impact. The second one would be nutrition and in particular pre-workout nutrition, or even for some people, intro workout nutrition. So he already said, he said he just switched to the diet. So I'd actually like to hear what you did. Did you like go to like a low carb and a high protein or high fat type of diet, what'd you do? I said, yeah, yeah, that's exactly it. So like, oh, the last little while I felt like I was,

Starting point is 01:16:38 I was, I was just, I was bored of the way I was eating to the end of. So, I recently, around the same time I started, I performed, I switched to like a higher fat value, which I've never done before. And now I'm still taking carbs around the workout. So I'm taking about 60 grams beforehand, and now we're now in a half beforehand, about 60 grams after just to kind of help replenish. I got an idea. I got an idea for you, Ryan. Why don't you do, go for 80 to 100 grams before

Starting point is 01:17:05 and then have like 20 grams after. So move some of the after carbs to before, that's probably gonna make the biggest impact. Or go 62 hours before and then drink 20 grams of carbs during the workout, that's the other option. What time are you lifting at? The pan's on the day to be honest. So I work, I work, it tends to be like an eight to four type job if I get an hour off

Starting point is 01:17:30 in between I would, or a couple of hours off during the day, I would kind of head to the gym over the gym for five minutes away, so I get to the gym. I try to plan ahead though, so like, it could be 12 o'clock in the day, but it also could be a rush hour, has six o'clock in the day, but it also could be a rush hour, that's six o'clock in the evening when. Okay, well, I was asking because I wanted to make sure you were like in the afternoon or evening. So I don't know if you've heard me talk about this

Starting point is 01:17:53 on the show, but I kind of figured this out for myself. So Sal's advice of like front loading the carbs before the workout is, so I used to have to have two good size meals with 60 to 70 grams of carbs before my workout to really fuel that workout. And those were my best workouts. If I had half of that, they were kind of, I kind of were, and if I had none of that,

Starting point is 01:18:14 and I went no, no carb, and I went in like fasted, I just could not train. I would fatigue at the end of it. So I felt I needed that. So I would do what he said. You could either put it in a single meal or you could put it in like two meals before. So like your breakfast, give it 60 grams of carbs, then like your lunch that's an hour and a half or whatever before your workout,

Starting point is 01:18:33 another 60 or so grams of carbs and see how you feel. I bet you'd feel better by doing that. Okay. Yeah. Sounds good. Just a quick follow on question. You mentioned sleep there. And you get about 7, 7 and a half hours of sleep, but a tentative no about quality of sleep. Is there any kind of markers there, or any, I suppose, symptoms of how well to Georgia sleep, that you would be familiar with or anything like that.

Starting point is 01:19:06 Yeah, we're like an oraring would be awesome. You know, you do wake up, you wake up feeling tired still, do you just hit the sack exhausted? Here's the other thing too, seven, seven half hours, you're probably timing the time you go to bed to the time you wake up, which means you're probably getting close to six and a half to seven,

Starting point is 01:19:23 because there's a period of time that you're not asleep when you go to bed. So what I would do is I would try to increase that time by an hour. So try to go to bed an hour early or wake up an hour later or half hour each or whatever. And that will increase the quality sleep number by the same amount it should. That makes a huge difference for a lot of people, like a massive difference. In fact, we just had some of the podcast who tracks these things quite a bit with the athletes that he trains.

Starting point is 01:19:51 He tells people to get nine hours because that usually results in seven half hours to eight hours of good sleep. Yeah, there's a few things you could do to one. I have to, personally, I have to cut back on my water. So I try not to drink too much water past 6 p.m. or also I'm getting up to P all time. I know that I'm magnesium deficient,

Starting point is 01:20:11 60% of the population is magnesium deficient. So mellow before bed is like a game changer for me. Also trying to make your last meal, at least a few hours, two, three, or more hours before you go to bed. And then what you do with your lights, like in your house, you know, dimming the lights or turning them off, going by candlelight. If you have blue blockers and you're on screens or watching TV to limit that,

Starting point is 01:20:33 but really start to put a little bit of a sleep routine together that you're consistent with like those types of steps and see how much that potentially improves, how you feel. And you'll know, you'll know by the way you wake up in the morning, you'll feel more refreshed when you get up versus like groggy or dragging your feet if it's something that you needed. Now too, you said you were doing mainly like hypertrophy kind of training before this bodybuilder style,

Starting point is 01:20:55 and then you switched it over towards more of the performance. I'm just wondering because I've had quite a few clients that have never trained that way before, and it was a lot more demanding, even just neurologically, like just, you know, to be able to get yourself in all these positions and learn, you know, how to kind of go through that, your body got taxed a bit more. So that's a bit normal if that's the case. And you'll kind of work through.

Starting point is 01:21:20 Yeah, and how you just lower the intensity throughout the workout to be able to do it all completely. That's a really good point, Justin. If you're used to training more bodybuilder, strong type man, and then you just lower the intensity throughout the workout to be able to do it all completely. That's a really good point, Justin. If you're used to training more bodybuilder, strong type man, and then you go into performance, performance is a lot. It's a lot of different. Performance kicks to shit out of me because I don't train that way regularly. So anytime I train like performance, it taxs me like a different level than training

Starting point is 01:21:39 like strong or like power lift or anap, maps and a ball. All those like, that's in my wheelhouse, performance kicks my ass, so that's actually kind of normal too. That's a good point. I actually come to read more, which is because the reason why I chose performances because I want to be a bit more functional and get all the rotation in there.

Starting point is 01:21:59 So the fourth week, the fourth week, I never felt me oblique so much of me life. I was bent over, I was bent over and I'm paying some of the days, especially on the mobility days like me hips, me hips whenever I saw during the, the, the force couple of mobility days here. Yeah, I think, I think Justin's getting closer to probably what we're, you know, Ryan, honestly, as much as it doesn't sound like fun You probably would benefit from running through it again. Yep because this is so foreign to you

Starting point is 01:22:31 And it's an area you're trying to focus on as much as you probably want to move on from that program I do a different one you probably would be also he's also 270 pounds six foot tall He's a big dude. Yeah big strong dude. That's gonna be an exhausting way of exercise for sure. Yeah but I you benefit beneficial though. And when you say kind of run a trail again Adam, would you say, would you say one true phase one again or one true to how program the whole the whole then the whole program again. Yeah, go go. I think I think you benefit running through a

Starting point is 01:23:00 whole another and then also see how much better you're at it. Right. Hopefully you you feel better the second time around. And if you still don't, it is potential, you know, Sal talked about breaking down some of the volume. So it wouldn't hurt if there's like, so like for example, I go lighter. I bet the lunge matrix was just a motherfuckin. These two kills are fake.

Starting point is 01:23:20 Oh Jesus Christ. Right, right. Right, so something like that, like you could probably, you know, take a set off of that or go, like Salah just suggested really go light, you know, even body weight crushes people on that sometimes. So, so yeah, run it again and hopefully you feel even better the second time around and or potentially scale back on some of the volume. But it sounds like you had

Starting point is 01:23:45 the self-awareness to know that your body probably needed this and you're doing it and you're feeling it a lot. And it's a good sign. That means the body's adapting and I think you have an opportunity to go through it again. See tremendous benefits still. Totally. Yeah, definitely.

Starting point is 01:23:58 I've dropped away. I'm still in the same amount of calories and that's all the stuff. But it's like the new stimulus. It's still eating the same amount of calories and that's all the stuff. But it's just like the new stimulus It's done me the world ago. So that's perfect. I'll keep running trail. I'll keep going. I'll get more sleep and Yeah, you're very much thanks. Thanks. Thanks for calling in. Yeah, keep us updated. No problem. All right Yeah, when you you train like a bodybuilder for a long time, doesn't get a big dude I was a great point, Jessamaine. You know what it is, you go, you think,

Starting point is 01:24:27 you know how much weight you use on certain exercises and you try to apply it towards a functional workout, like performance is not gonna be the same. Yeah, no, performance is just a bitch, bro. If you've never trained functional training like that, like if you saw it, this is what we brought, lunge bitch, you're like, oh, he says, they still have nightmares about that.

Starting point is 01:24:44 He's the PTSD, like, for still have nightmares about that. PTSD. For a lot of people. Yeah, no, so I use different style of training. Sounds like he's doing great though. I mean, he's eating the same amount of calories and he's dropping weight. So, I mean, yeah, I think he would benefit from running

Starting point is 01:24:55 at his second time for sure. All right, our next caller is Carrie from California. Hey, Carrie, how can we help you? Hey guys, first I just wanted to say thanks for all the great information you guys put out. I find you guys hilarious. So sometimes I'll go to Listen to something else. I'm like, no, I just want to listen to those guys. Yeah. Thank you. Forget all that of the stuff. Yeah. So just as a background, um, I'm seven months postpartum with my third child and I'm just kind of trying to set myself for up for success in the future.

Starting point is 01:25:32 In the past, I've always been someone that worked out, but I kind of was doing the diet my whole life, very restrictive during the week and on the weekends it would be more off track and then starting all over on Mondays. And when I found your podcast a few months back and heard like, oh, there's women eating like 2200 calories at maintenance, I was like, what, that's not possible. And just listening more and more to you guys, I'm like, wow, I don't have to do cardio and eat at 1300 calories to lose weight. So now I'm at a point where I have maybe the last 10, 12 pounds to lose and I'm still breastfeeding.

Starting point is 01:26:13 And I just don't know what direction to head because I've never done, I guess, a bulk. Although I feel like that's kind of what I've been doing the past several months because I'm not really losing weight. I'm just sort of lifting weights and wanting to lose weight, but sort of just staying at the same place. I'm probably at about like 22 to 2400 calories a day and I just don't know where to go

Starting point is 01:26:35 from here. I kind of want to be at a good position after I'm done breastfeeding to keep the weight off, but not having to live at, you know, 1400 calories. Are you following a mass program? So I had started doing the 15 minutes program and it was really liking that, but then I kind of feel like I would like to do a little bit longer of sessions for your days a week. So my husband has aesthetics, so I was considering doing that or maybe I listened to your podcast sell that day where you were describing like how you came up with anabolic and I swear, I listened to it like three times because I was like, wow, the science behind this is

Starting point is 01:27:16 amazing. And I loved the idea of the trigger sessions. So I was thinking, should I go for that or should I just do aesthetics? Yeah, no, go and map set up all of this. Acetic is way too much volume and it's just not going to produce the results you're looking for. I would go and snap Santa ball. And while you're nursing your baby while you're still breastfeeding, I would not try to go into a cut. Definitely not.

Starting point is 01:27:35 That's a bad approach. Typically it doesn't result in great results. So I would try to maintain or just build strength throughout the process. And then when you stop breastfeeding, you'll be in a good position to cut a little bit. But you know, the body fat percentage right now, you're doing great. I would, if you were my client, I would say, we're not going to cut, let's just feed your body, switch programs, build some

Starting point is 01:27:58 muscle, you'll probably naturally lean out slowly through this process. But I wouldn't want you to aggressively try to lean out. I actually want you to bulk right now. I think you're in a good position. The fact that you're eating 22 to 2400 calories, you're not really gaining, you're not really losing at that pace. Doug's going to send you maps and a ball like we're going to send that over to you for free. And then I also want him to send you the reverse diet guide. And I actually think that a good goal would be to slowly increase your calories, kind of week over week. And if you can, you know, get some walking in. So what I would do is like,

Starting point is 01:28:31 if I was training you, you're at, say, you're at 2300, just so we'll take the middle there, where you're at 2300 calories, we'd stay there for a week or two and you're, as you're running through maps in a ball, then I'd bump you up to say 24 to 2500 calories. When I bumped you up, I'd say, okay, now I want you to go and walk an extra 2000 steps a day, which is about a 30 minute walk or so. I'd say I want you to add that every day and then just let's see where your body goes for the next two weeks, hopefully in the next two weeks, I don't see any gain weight gain on the scale. And then I'd bump your calories again. And I would just

Starting point is 01:29:05 keep doing that until we get you to a place you've never seen before, like 27, 28, 100 plus calories and you're not gaining any weight. And now we've really set yourself up for a win eventually, you're off breastfeeding and then we go the other direction. That would be ideal. Yeah, so maybe by like a hundred calories each time I bump or. Yeah, that's about right. Yep. Yeah, that that sounds amazing. I love that.

Starting point is 01:29:31 And then I just have two kind of like quick questions for you guys. One, I find with like my dead lifts, my lower body feels like it wants to go heavier, but my grip and is like for like maybe eight reps and feeling like man by the eighth rep, like I'm gonna drop this. But my leg heavier. So what do you do? And it feels like your upper body isn't quite matching

Starting point is 01:29:53 your lower. Well, the weakest link is what's gonna determine the weight. So you're gonna lift the weight that you can handle. And it really doesn't matter if it's your legs or your hands or your back that can't help. So you're gonna train within that range. The other thing too is, are you using an alternate grip or a double overhand grip?

Starting point is 01:30:10 I'm using, I guess, I'm using not, no, I guess when I'm doing my dead list, I'm doing it overhand. Okay, so try using an alternate grip. So one set, you'll have one hand facing forward, one hand back, the next set, switch. And you'll be able to hold on to a lot more weight that way.

Starting point is 01:30:26 You can also do this. When I'm heavy deadlifting with someone, I have a client who battles a carpal tunnel, and her grip is her limiting factor. And so let's say we're doing a heavy day, where we're doing five reps, and I want to really push her strength, and it's her grip that gives.

Starting point is 01:30:43 We'll do two reps, and then I'll let her set it down for a second, and then pick it right back up as soon as she can, so you don't have to hang on and do the, say, eight reps consecutively with not a breather for your hands for a little bit. I'll let her do that, she'll do a rep, set it down, relax her grip for a second, grip it again, pick it back up, relax her grip, set it back down.

Starting point is 01:31:01 If you're not using the alternate grip though, the alternate grip, you'll be able to handle like a lot more weight with that. Oh, okay, yeah, never try that. That sounds really cool. And then final question, I was looking at your no BS abs and I was like, oh, I love training abs and I was like, I had heard people say,

Starting point is 01:31:22 oh, women shouldn't really use weighted abs workouts because you're gonna like fall up your midsection. So I'd love to hear your thoughts on that. Terry, how do you feel whenever you hear anybody say women shouldn't and then blank? Exactly. That's a red flag. That's a huge, anytime you hear it with them on mute. Right away, women shouldn't't and that's a red flag

Starting point is 01:31:45 No, no, yeah, your resistance on as long as you're we got forms got to be good Okay, you have to have good form and technique but training with resistance is like any other body part It's just gonna develop it better sculpt it better. You're gonna get stronger as a result But your form has to be good. So make sure your form and technique are good You could slow your form and technique down so that you have more resistance by slowing the weight down or by slowing the movement down or you can add resistance. But so long as it's appropriate, it's just like any other part. The end of the day, yeah, it's a muscle like all the rest. So you just got to treat it that

Starting point is 01:32:14 way and have appropriate weight in resistance to progressively overload. So you just got to do it real gradually. Lifting heavy for your abs will make your abs more visible at a higher body fat percentage. That's the perk of doing that. So if you want to see your abs and not have to be as lean as maybe you had to in the past to see them, by you lifting heavy will allow you to do that.

Starting point is 01:32:36 It's just like when you're working out for a while, you look like you're pretty fit. You know that when you build muscle in your arms, they look more sculpted. They look leaner even at higher body fat percentages, right? So it's the same thing with your core. No difference. Okay. Cool. Yeah. Oh, man. Thank you guys. That was awesome. And, you know, keep up the great work. Yeah. Thank you. Thanks for calling in. Thanks, Gary. Yeah. I got any time

Starting point is 01:32:59 in anybody in the fitness space. Women shouldn't shut up. Here it takes a lot of. So annoying. Because women have really been, I mean, we're all sold false information in this space, but women are sold the most false information. So are these shit. Yeah, it's terrible. I hope she reaches back out to us. I'd love to hear her progress.

Starting point is 01:33:17 I think she's in a really good place right now. I mean, she's what, 1300 calories is what she'd end up doing to diet in the past. She's at 22, 24 right now. And I, look, I trained a lot of post-partum women, and all we would do is I would say eat, well, you know, eat when you're hungry, eat to your satisfy, just focus on healthy food.

Starting point is 01:33:32 And what would naturally happen is it would naturally lean out. It's typically a bad idea when you're especially, when you're breastfeeding, especially when you're within, you know, 10 months post-partum, and you know, breastfeeding and and 10 months postpartum, to try to cut, to try to actively cut, it's a really fighting it uphill battle, and it's not setting you up for long-term successful.

Starting point is 01:33:51 Yeah, just eat healthy, eat when you're hungry, eat to your satisfied, lift weights, and what'll happen is it'll naturally lean out, and you'll end up with a really great metabolism, which will put you in a good position, you know, when you're ready to start the cut later on. Look, if you like mind pump, head over to MindPumpFree.com and check out some of our guides.

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