Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 205: Joe Donnelly Interview Part II

Episode Date: December 21, 2015

The long awaited second installment of Sal, Adam & Justin's interview with Joe Donnelly is finally here! Joe does a "wizard-off" with Adam and discusses steroids, the fitness business, training and more. Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Learn more about Mind Pump at www.mindpumpradio.com

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind, hop, mind, hop, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Welcome back to Mind Pump. This is Part 2 so far on these. Of the joe Donnelly interview. This is my... Between not called the joe Donnelly interview, I feel like I'm like... I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like have a wizard off. This is a great idea. We should do. I've heard enough stories already that I can totally see. Let me explain. Let me explain. Let me explain. Let me explain.

In your philosophies. Phil Joe. I'm going to fill everybody in. We might have some new listeners who follow Joe who are tuning into my book. So here's a deal. Adam. Mr. Adam. Michael host is a wizard. This guy understands how to pick up women, how to teach guys to pick up. What the whole thing is in the theater. What do you think, but he's got an awesome, how, oh no, no, no, you're gonna say what I told him. He also understands how to communicate with people and not just how to pick up women.

If you're a woman, how to pick up men, not that Adam's ever done that before, but if he did, he'd be good at it. So he's got lots of fantastic advice. What's he, he did pick up an amazing girl. So he must be doing something fantastic advice. He did pick it up, but amazing girl. So he must be doing something right. Yeah, any girl to track the Lincoln fucking deal his shit. Yeah.

Holy crap. You got a wonderful girl. That clone her and put it in a picture. We do give her a lot of credit. That's my disclaimer before we start this hunting. So before I get it. I will say that Adam spoke extremely well. She will listen to it.

Thank you. And I just have to hang around Adam like this girl must be unbelievable I like how Joe did that It's a stage. No, it's true. Like you know some people like you know if you meet a good guy But like I has a brace of personality and doesn't mean like like you know Adam can be over the top and all that's what makes Some great makes him like cares like it charisma if I was a chick I'd fuck him off or if I had two more dreams I might happen also right for the point I'm trying to make is it doesn't make you to be a good guy he's not a bad person doing

something wrong you know out hitting on chicks and that but the over top personality that it can be too much for girls to do they're like oh he's handsome he gets too much attention but just because somebody is is charismatic and someone is over the top it takes a special kind of woman to do but there's also but there's also look women there's also, look, women are smart. And you can't just be a good look and dude,

that's flashy, that's coming in. There's a skill behind it. Now, I didn't know this before. When we first started Mind Pump, I was ignorant to this, okay. And since talking to the wizard, now I understand that there's a science. And you know what, he uses very unique

and metallurgic. And that's all the first one. You can't say science and wizard to sink so wizard as well. It's like alchemy There's loose science to that. There's an Science after the App So here's the question, okay, and we'll see what you guys think here I'm not losing so you're working out, you're working out in the gym. A attractive girl, she's working out in the gym. She's got her headphones on, she's into her workout.

You really want to talk to her. All right, how does it, how does it, how does it, how does it, how does it, go ahead wizard. Well, you want me to lead out with this? You're the leading champ, you're the, yeah, you're the, the, the, the champion. Well, I feel it's kind of not fair because I think we've, we've, we've somewhat talked about. It was proud. Yeah, we should let Joe. I don't know

I've already won this one so I'll let him try Good you have 25 seconds to yeah, yeah, no, no I okay, so I feel like Joe's a disadvantage a little bit because we've talked about this, but maybe not so You know not only you're gonna lose but you might lose your girlfriend Good, I might fuck him. Go ahead. I might fuck him. Go ahead. I might fuck him. Alright, come on.

Who says that you would be the top? Alright, go ahead. Let's go. I don't know, Aka Lou. So the worst thing that the worst thing that a guy can do is, is to go up and hit on a chicken that jam like that. I mean, whether the girl is there looking for ass or not, or she's there truly to get a workout, it doesn't matter.

You being the guy who comes up and tries to hit on or she I mean even if she wants that like you're not gonna Get it because of that so you know, and that doesn't mean to you don't say hi to her I mean you gotta talk to you have to talk to her, but when you come up and you talk to her It's it's subtle it's something that you come up and you say hi to her You don't need to compliment her how great she looks her is it a walking by high like hey? Is it like you're walking by in the gym and you say, hi, or just, oh yeah, it needs to be natural.

It cannot be like you go, you can't be fucking doing bicep curls and she's on the treadmill and you drop your dumbbells, go all the way across the treadmill to go fucking lean on her treadmill and say, hi. Doug, write this down please. It needs to be natural. It needs to be crossing paths or somehow locking eyes

and getting interest that way. And then you say, hi, just like a normal person should do when you make eye contact. So she says, hi back, or what is a signal now? You said, hi, what's the signal? How do you make the next move? It will hurt me. I contact with you. She looks at you. If she makes eye contact with you, it's your that's the open invitation to say something to her. The problem with most guys, the problem with most guys is most guys say too much. Most guys come in and then they want to talk about themselves,

or they want to compliment her on the way she looks, or how great her form is and all that bullshit. And that's so fucking elementary, just going over and saying hi to this woman is all you have to do. That is all you have to do because when she came in there, she's already advertising herself, so coming in there, and actually fucking trying to promote yourself or put you in.

You know, you guys are doing it right now. Joe's like, I'm bringing her up. You guys both should have a brief breeze. So here's how it works. No, here's my, here's how it works. Well, let me tell you my, I gotta take my theory. My theory is to why that works for Adam is because he's Adam, he looks like himself.

That's what I've told him in the past. He said, no, it works for everybody. I said, no, if it looks like you and you walk up to someone you say hi, then it might work. You know what, what's all right, no, it works for everybody. I said, no, if it looks like you and you walk up to someone, you say, hi, then it might work. You know what? All right, Joe. And the right context. Was there, if she's just some, like, unassuming, normal insecure girl, that might work.

However, if you're in like Beverly Hills, and when you want to pick up like Christina Million, or, you know, Jessica Simpson, or, you know, somebody who's, you know, a little more big time actually has some game. Okay. This could be Adam. I like you have to. Oh, there's some names of my league You have to oh There's some names right there. You have to think outside the box. So here's a little hypothetical situation This is how it works. So she's working out First of all she's working out in my gym because I own it. I am on my building

And so you have one of your employees and outs on the PA right ten points Whatever her whatever her name is they say one name or you do it on the PA say her name is Catherine say Catherine. Um, can you please come to the front desk? Oh, this is your issue with your car and so the person at the front desk will say hey listen, it's kind of embarrassing but Your car rolled out of its spot it back into the owners asked the Martin, you know Joe shows outside. Can you please go talk to us? No, and she comes out. She's all worried and you just say hey, you know I started taking away from your workout, but you just say, hey, you know, I started taking away from your workout, but, you know, I thought it was, I thought it was,

I've never, I've never really hit on women because it's in the gym because it's corny, but since we're standing in my parking lot, I'm gonna take me outside. So, you know, I just wanna say hello and I wanna ask you every now and then. All right. So I think,

I'm pretty sure. Never hit on women in the gym or in your own gym. I am pretty sure that my girl cannot listen to this episode because we will never be able to go out together That was a new level. That was a new level. I don't think we could go over hang out. All right We need another question. We need another question. Please God please Please get hang out with me. Yeah, I cannot hang out with you. There's no I'm I'm your biggest support of your girlfriend. She's awesome

Kidding. Yeah, she's like the nicest person ever She just can't look at a calendar very well I want to know the best analogy so if you guys I mean we kind of talked about a couple with Adam You kidding? She's like the nicest person ever. She just can't look at a calendar very well. I wanna know the best analogy. So if you guys, I mean, we kind of talked about a couple with Adam, but if you had to put it in analogy to picking up a woman in the process of that, like what does that, like an analogy, what does it look like?

Oh, you mean when Adam was saying we're talking about fish, she's in our hunting. What did you say Adam? It was like hunting or fishing. Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, yeah. Well, you want fishing. Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, yeah. Well, you want me to repeat that one?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's fill everybody in. Well, when you're going... We've lost all female listeners. I love the dating advice that's coming from someone who has a girlfriend. I know. Someone who's married. That's why I feel like you should save me right now.

Because this is... Oh, I'm not giving any advice. This is why I feel like you should save me right now. Yeah, because this is, I'm not giving any a time. This is what the guys do to me all the time. Which just shows you how great of a girl that I have right now, because she allows me to come on here and talk about all this. Well, I don't think you've had enough, like a series of episodes like this. So it's my girl.

It's maybe the last talk. Yeah, yeah. No, I think the whole process is so backwards for men. Men have, we have this mentality of being so aggressive and like trying to hunt the prey means you gotta jump all over. And it's so backwards to me. I mean, and women are much smarter than what we give them. Okay, I know a lot of the male and a lot of guys talk.

No, we're making jokes and talking about picking up and this and that, but the reality is, I'll tell you one thing, if you don't mind me interjecting, one thing I've learned living in LA a couple years, it's very valuable. It's the dynamic of dating and women and there's different categories of women that they're looking for. Some women are just looking for a guy with money. And I've literally, I'll tell you right now, I do well, you guys do well too. My business partner does extremely well.

Young guy, very handsome. And there's been time, I mean,, you guys do well too. My business partner does extremely well. Young guy, very handsome. And there's been time, I mean, he's worth a little money. There's been times that women have not hit on him because they're like, how can a guy in his mid 30s that handsome be rich? They're looking for rich guys. And then they find out, you know, he drives this or drives that and they're all over him.

But those aren't women that you want. Those aren't girls that you want to date. The biggest mistake that guys make is trying to impress too much. Women respond to confidence, but not cockiness. The worst thing you can do is talk about, I'm doing this or I'm doing that or try to build yourself up into something that you're overly impressing. She's either going to be turned off, be she thinks you're arrogant, or she's going to feel like she can't measure up. You know,

we've got people forget that you have to think like a woman. And a lot of time most women are, even gorgeous girls are insecure. And they constantly want to have affirmation and feel better about themselves. So being with some guy, we sit on Instagram, my girls were really attractive, sometimes they date average looking guys. Why do they think they do that? Maybe some have money, but most of the time it's because they feel secure

being with that guy. Those are the biggest mistakes that a lot of guys make is trying to overimpress or trying to be over-era, and over this. Even a wizard needs a mentor. So I'm not trying to mentor you any single. Are you saying he's getting a job? I'm trying to to mention you're single. I'm trying to I'm trying to get your girlfriend's cousin. The second thing I tell you

what's bad ass about my girl. And this is what makes what makes her so intelligent. It goes right on the long the long the long the long the side of the calendar. It's not the best reading calories. What we keep referring to is Katrina was booked Joe's reservations everything for me. So she kind of she handles a lot of that stuff for me. I you sit her up

and she booked the the wrong day the next day and Joe gets to the hotel and he's like, hey bro, they can't find my name. I'm like, bro, I know my girl spelled your name right. So I send her, I said, well, let me send you the confirmation. I send the confirmation over to him. He's like, that's for tomorrow. So you guys are seeing me Beverly Hills cop, right? But there's no one. Yeah. No one any Murphy walks into the Beverly Palm Hotel. It acts like he are. And, and he's like, you've a reservation for Axel Fother. Like, no, we don't. And he's like, well, he's like, maybe you should try rolling stones

Axel Fother. Like, no, we don't try. Mine, he's like, he's like, wait a minute. He's like, I'm in town to interview Michael Jackson. And he's like, the story's going to be called Michael Jackson taken over the world. But he's like, they'm in town to interview Michael Jackson and he's like, the story's gonna be called Michael Jackson taking over the world, but he's like, they might as well call it, Michael Jackson can't do the interview because they don't allow any N word in the Beverly Palm Hotel.

So I start saying this. She used to young, she had no frame of reference. Did you get it right? I'm like, what do you mean, I have my reservation. I'm like, look under Joe Donnelly. She's like, we don't have it. I'm like, look under world's most awesome Joe Donnelly. She looked at me funny.

That's not there either. She didn't even type it in, obviously, because it's not true. But I'm like, well shit, I can't believe there's, I'm in town, I have this business dinner, and I'm trying to get all of this done. And we might as well throw everything to shit because you don't want to allow any fucking big Italian douchebags in a fair amount hotel.

And she just didn't get it. She just was too young. I could have been like Beverly Hills cop, Axel Foley should have been like, you want me to call it police, what? Yeah, this is tough. But you guys are old enough to appreciate it. Yeah, absolutely.

So, my girl best up on the, the, the, the, the, the, but what I was going to say was what is along the lines of what Joe was saying is I have T-server so long that, you know, so at, you know, whether it be after sex or after me being the great guy that I am with her, she always tells me all these great things. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. But here's the thing though, I have to self-pray.

Like she gives you notes like after a meal, like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. She gives, she, The anal was awesome. This is her just loving, giving me, giving me, giving me my love in my props and this is why I have to self-promote myself because if you ask any of her friends,

they know nothing about me. She's smart. She does not, Wow, your girlfriend really is smart. She does not share sex. She does not say anything. Oh, she does. And if they ask her,

eh, he's got little dick. She is good. Yeah. That's smart. She downplays the fuck out of her man, him up. Yep. To me. She blows Women are scandalous She smart like that. She's smart Well now that Doug has to edit all those relies except for the penis

Now that Doug has to edit the out being complete first half of that episode. Let's get into some fit You want to do fitness? Yeah, after all that shit. Oh, this is ex-gift, this show. I saw it. I saw this raw fitness. I thought there's fitness through it. I thought there's no dating from here on out. I got a question for you, Joe.

This is off the subject now that we're just talking about. Is Michael her not steroids? I have no idea. No, that's not the question. Might be 50 years old, but looks 28. Can we say, okay, this drives me crazy. And I saw, I saw one Joe posted, you know, uh, you know I posted we all posted Joe coming on the show on Friday Q and A's you know, and I'm looking at his feed

I'm looking at my feed and at least 50% of the people that left questions were all these questions and on my page It was I heard he's not natural, you know, ask him if he's natural ever on his page. It's you know is Michael hurt naturally So it's like dude you guys it's seriously doesn you know is Michael her naturally so so it's like Dude you guys it's It doesn't it doesn't it doesn't really doesn't fucking matter First but you know what's but think it's some people it does matter, you know If you're gonna say your natural. I think that if you come out, but I think that you guys know, I mean and I can sit and talk all day about you know me being natural and stuff

But I think you guys and I invite you to speak openly. Right. You know, you look at me, and when you, I think when you see someone in person, you can look at their vascularity or lack of size of shoulders, traps. You can tell. And you can kind of tell, you know, I may be 250 pounds, do I? Like it, no. You even kind of gave me the right compliment. You're like, yeah, you don't, you don't really, you don't look that big.

I'm like, thanks, Dickhead, you just told me I'm not a nearly as impressive in person. No, I, well, the question, one of the questions that I have was some of the workouts that you post that you go through are just incredible. How long did it take you to get to be able to train at that level? I mean, you're training like 30, 40 sets of long intense workouts. I mean, would it, would it give me an example of like a typical thing? No, so, it's a really good question. So when I trained my, changed my training style a couple years ago,

it was purely just because work and business was so stressful. And the idea of, we all learn to kind of train the same way. We go in, we do a set of bench, we wait three or four minutes to another one. So maybe in the course of an hour, we get what 15 sets in. Right. I was just very, very stressed and everything that I had going on. And so one day, I just kind of went in and I was I had was pressed for time. So I did everything with nothing more than no time between sets other than just, you know, switching weights or switching exercises. I ended up

doing like 30 sets in like 40 minutes. I was gasped. I mean, I just at the end of my workout, I was doing push-ups on my knees. I'm rolling, people looked at me like, is this too fucking have epilepsy? Why is he rolling around on the ground? Like, like, a moron. But I felt great. I had such like a dopamine rush and like a euphoric feeling after. But it's also another one of those things.

It's like, I was, as a youth, I was very strong. You know, I mean, I was a 550 pounds quad, or in high school. It's crazy. You know, but, and before I had my first shoulder surgery, I was a 550 pound squad on high school. That's crazy. You know, but and before I had my first shoulder surgery, I did my sophomore year at Circus, I benched 5, 15 for two, but I was a strong guy. Now, we all know that the longer you lift heavy weights,

especially shoulder, I mean, like, you know, you're not talking about dead lifting in squad, but the shoulder joints aren't made to handle that long term. No, people always like, that's the most common area. Yeah, I do. I mean, I've had four shoulder surgeries, there's not made a handle it. So, for me, the other other thing is like there is still is we try to be as humbles We can be in life, you know, I guess except for Adam, but

But sometimes in the gym, you know, it's like you have a little bit eagle that can be a dangerous thing You know, you can get ahead of yourself. You can hurt yourself So what I found is that that the less rest I used the harder it wasn't my body And the less weight I could use the harder it was on my body and the less weight I could use. So I wasn't, I was no longer, you know, till you felt that was safer to train that way.

I felt it was better for me to do 10 sets of 10 in 10 minutes with 100 pound, 110 pound dumbbells and try to go up to 150s and do sets of eight or sets of six. And, you know, I was always afraid I'm gonna get hurt. And I found what I found is that I'm Press I'm busy guy. I was almost at work 16 and out 18 hour days. I don't have time to do another cardio session I don't have time to do all that stuff so What I found is that like me training at that pace and I had a way to work up to it

I'm not gonna lie. It wasn't like I just off the bat like I'm a freak doing these workouts No, it took time, but I was burning so many calories through my training style. I never needed to do cardio. I was conditioning myself that way. And then I started to post them on, this is how my website actually grew. So I started to post them online. People love the idea of this,

like Greg Plydex, he taught it to me, was muscle building cardio. And I built a website from it. People just love the idea. This is how it all started. People love the idea of going is how it all started. People just love the idea of going in and minimal rest periods. It's not, let me preface.

I'm not like saying, do like 20 pound dumbbell presses and then do a set of flies. I still do heavy movements. Well, I think it's important that people understand that there's many different ways to increase intensity and get the body to adapt. And one of them is lift heavier and heavier weights. And another way to do it is to reduce time periods

in between. Well, here's a great, great comment. It gets to a point where you have to be careful as far as lifting heavy weights. So my goal was to, I wanted to squat by June 1st of this year. I wanted to squat, 675 pounds. I want to do it raw. I want to do no belt. I want to do no June 1st of this year. I wanted to squat, 675 pounds. I wanted to do it raw, and I wanted to do no belt. I wanted to do no, so raw raw.

I don't use a belt these days. So it would have been a raw no matter what. I wanted to do it on film. I was gonna take a drug test on the same day. I mean, people would be people would be like, whatever, like the drug test doesn't matter. But I just wanted to do it for you. And I want to show people, like you can do,

I've always been a raw, a car so it doesn't matter. And as I posted videos like April and May, and I was, you know, I think I squatted like, you know, 6.35 for three one day. But as you start to get heavier, you know, problems arise. So I dislocated a rib in my back. And so it's like, I always tell people like, you know, using a belt, you know, don't use it if you don't need it. However, I will say this when you get, you start using really heavy weights,

that you're squatting, a belt say this, when you get, you start using really heavy weights, that is what you're squatting, a belt is very, very good for you. Using knee wraps can absolutely protect injury. Just don't use it all the time. Of course. If you're squatting su-25, you don't need fucking knee weights at all the time. Right, no, the reason why I use a belt is because when I start to get really, really heavy, you have to use a fork.

It's my form shifts a little bit. It gives me a little bit of insurance. That's the reason why I use it. So, because forms deteriorates when you add load. That's a great both way. The way I got hurt was that dislocating ribbing my back, everything can press too hard. And it's ice, so one's it healed. It got put back in place. But it was still a little sore, so I was kind of squatting a little off center.

And then I had a groin pull, you know, and it just from squatting. And it still isn't even healed. And that's purely because if I'd probably been wearing a belt, something that had tied my, my, you know, poster your chain and better, probably wouldn't have got injured. So there is something to be said for when you get to a point where you start lifting heavier and heavier, you got to protect yourself.

Or back off the horse. Is squat your best exercise? Oh, I'm pretty good at it. See the calf raises. It's a good decline to sit up. I mean, I don't know. Too fat. Are you a good poor?

Can you deadlift quite a bit, too? Oh, so I don't, yeah, I used to be. I don't deadlift to ever since I had this AC joint surgery. I see it right here. So basically when they had to go in, that ligament that holds the collarbone down, when it tore, this, the collar came through the skin. So they, they'd, they'd ratchet down.

Basically, what they do is they drill a hole, and they put a piece of wire through it, and they ratchet down. Okay. And they're like, no more heavy shrugs, no more. Oh, so no heavy downward pulling. Yeah, I mean, so I can't, so if I lay up on the table, I should have, and I'll show you, but I don't even,

they're like, they don't want me to even hold any weight to my hand over like 200 pounds. So I shrugged for a while, did some deadlifts like 405. Yeah. But if you look, you can almost see it through my shirt, see the ball I have. That's purely because the shoulder joint is separated from holding too much weight in my hands.

So with a 600 pound deadlift, I mean, you've got, you could, I mean, let's say you didn't have that injury, you're looking at a 700 pound deadlift. Yeah, I mean, I did without that injury, right? Yeah, my junior year at Syracuse, or sophomore year at Syracuse when I was when I was strong, where my shoulder,

I was, I think I did 645 for like three. So here's something I've noticed about natural, you know, natural athletes or natural bodybuilders or people who've been nowhere to go. This is a perfect point for people to hear. Fuck it. Here's what, listen up, turn your radio up. Here's one thing that I've noticed.

When I see guys who are natural, and I tend, and I believe them, they tend to be a lot stronger than they look. And I'm not giving that as a, you know, I'm not trying to be negative or anything. But for the exotic compliment, the facts. No, no, no, no, you look at like Lane Norton, right? Lane Norton is a muscular guy, but he doesn't look like he could fucking deadlift, wait, that pro bodybuilders would break. You see Lane, let's say I'm one of my boys. I should text him right now, but I'm like, do them about to hate on you, but not like, you see Lane like regular clothes, you should be like,

hey dude, like can you pull my car around front? This is like a normal person. Right. That motherfucker will bury your ass in the gym. Oh yeah. That's what I'm saying. And when people try to say that Lane's on gear, I will defend Lane being natural more than myself.

Right. Because you know what to look for. His body doesn't change. He walks around the same fucking weight. And I just know he's, I just know you. Well, that's my point is that natural people tend to be much stronger than they look. You look at Doug, for example.

Doug, he just did lifted, it was a 405. And you know, he's like a little chump. Like a little bit. Yeah, but Doug's hands him his fuck, though. He's hands him his fuck, I mean. Right? He passed Adam and then I had to go gay for a second. Right, right.

He's up there. Especially. Why do you think he called him the center? That's kidn's so smooth. That's come on. Especially for 65 the spinner. That's so smooth. Come on. Especially for 65. Do you look straight? Right.

It's like eight years old and might go hurt. Yeah. But on the flip side, you see it on your pocket. And the flip side, you see a lot of guys on gear who are bigger than they then they just drank that. That's the thing that's I think to see is when you see people on gear, they're so blown up

through the traps and through the shoulders and their arms. There's disproportionate people like man He should be so strong and then you see him on squatting on the sit machine was like 275 right? They're like I can't you know That's why I made posted that post that and not taking any shot at any men's physique douche bags that posted videos last week about squatting I'm sweating the sheens, but I am in my hashtag when I said that real men squat on Smith machines That's literally this the worst thing I've ever seen. I got busted. Did you see that?

I tagged you. I tagged you. Literally had no auto-synth machine. No, no, no, no. I tagged Sal on some IFBB pro who went to Olympia on a Smithman. He was squatting on a Smith machine. Was he wearing his girlfriend's tights? No, he was wearing a belt, a strap, knee wraps,

and he was fucking squatting on a Smith machine. You know what? He had no clue. He had no clear. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he had no idea. It was talking shit. Because he thinks he's awesome. That's what you know what though, speaking of which you said about the, you know, wearing his girlfriend's tits, I will say this. I've been in the fitness industry professionally now for 18 years, almost 20 years and longer than that. Injims working out. And I have never in my life seen so many, and this is a fucking great thing. We should get into this. I have never seen so many women,

barbell squatting and barbell dancing, in my life. In the past, you couldn't get a girl near a barbell, you know, 15 years ago, because they were so scared to get in bed. Now these girls are deadlifting and squatting, and they look amazing. And that just shattered the whole mental.

I'm gonna tell you right now, it's the one thing. It's really come become awesome from the the internet agent That's how I'm old saying that but it's true like yeah, the sharing of information in social media and especially my gym It's like three to one girls out squatting guys. It's unbelievable fantastic Um, and that's why they look awesome. I try to tell people right now like Do you want to change your physique? You want to change it for the better name? It's the one that really turned me on. It's squat all the time.

He says it best. If you're not squatting, what are you doing with your life? I mean, like the end of like arm day, throw in 10 by 10 on squats. I literally was telling Whitney Read about this. The last time I shot FitnessRX last year, I was like 247 and Steve Blacken was like, can you get down to like 240?

And I was like, I'm gonna try this for a month. And I didn't drop any of my calories below 6,000. All I did was I worked out five days a week and after the end of those five workouts. So I have two leg days every week. So the other like three workouts or four workouts, I finished each workout. I would put three 15 on the bar and I would do 10 by 10.

Or I'd go four or five and I would go eight by eight. So I finished every workout with doing it. But just a light, light workout. Well, I'm saying, but I don't say, but I can even like form day or back day. And like, just doing that compound movement over and over. I was burning so many calories. I didn't, I was, I was even don't, I was,

I'll tell you what, I got shredded. I'll tell you what, and this is great because for so long, women have been scared to just lift weights, but now they're doing, not only the lifting weights, they're doing the exercises that are the kings of muscle builders. And what are they getting in return? Leainer, more tight muscles. They look fantastic.

They get that curve. I wish that's a great thing. That's a great thing. Dude's trained half as hard as bikini chicks. It would be impressive. You know what? That's a great point you just made. Yeah.

And this is true. I've heard this, and I've heard this from multiple athletes. A lot of the physique men don't even work their legs. When I see a guy post and say, well, I only train my whole head because once a month because they grow too fast, that says to me, do lay out the drugs. Yeah. You're on way too much gear, okay? Like, you're there if I can...

I have actually, I have actually, the only bodybuilder I could ever think of in my entire life that was disproportionate, because his legs were too big for his upper body, was Tom Platt. Yeah. That's the only guy ever. But I was also, remember, that was what kind of made Tom,

he was a top five bodybuilder, but that was the thing that made him so famous so he kept doing it. Right. And by the way, Tom Platt's legs today are better than anybody I've ever seen here Here's the funny day go to a men's physique show sometime and all these guys like you'll see guys Whatever that whoever the guy the one this year whatever that dude's his name is

He'll post a picture and be like didn't skip leg day. He'll show a picture of like his quads and cats like cool Did you like five six and jacked whatever? It's funny when they turn around and they all do a back shot. Nobody has an ass. Yeah. It's all like, it's funny when you see guys that are so fucking lean, but they still have a little bit of plumbers ass, because they don't have a back, so they have no glutes.

Wanna why? They don't fucking squat. It's all leg is tits. Leg is tits. Leg is tits or it's all on a Smith machine. And here's the problem with the Smith machine squatting. So when you squat, you need that natural squatter's arc, you know how it goes like the same with that. There's very little hit. There's none on a Smith machine because you're on a fixed plane.

So that stress goes on to your quads. Exactly. That's what I like. Yep. If I was an IVB judge, I'd be like, okay, you guys all have no asses. Well, for those of you who are going to compete in the new division, the new organization, you better do some squats. There's Joe's gonna mark it down. That's right. But you know, I'll tell you this,

for in terms of sports, when you're looking at athletes, okay, you can always judge whether or not somebody's strong and powerful by their hips. Do they have a powerful ass? That sounds funny, but it holds weight, especially in football, right? It's the most important thing.

I was always scared of the guy with the big ass. It was always scared of the guy with the big ass. It's true. That is probably the most important thing I've heard. I want to tell people this all the time. I'll tell you a funny story. I was a fucking stud in high school. No, 235 pounds.

No, no, no, I'm not gonna lie, but I was a man child. 235 pounds, 44 speed. I saw a picture. There's actually a'm not gonna lie, but I was a man child. 235 pounds, four, four, three, four. I saw a picture. There's actually a picture on your Instagram review. I was only 15 there. Which is why I think people are idiots when they think you're not naturally. I mean, bro, 15 years old, you look like a fucking freak. There's things.

And first of all, my parents live in Japan when I was 15. I was living with cousins. There was no internet back in 1995. But anyway, so long story short, but I'll admit it for people, I was in a genetic freak. I mean, I returned to PUNTS my senior year in high school. I returned like six PUNTS for touchdowns my senior year, but 240 pounds, you know.

I was the biggest, I was the biggest for a turn ever. You're fucking huge dude. That but here's the thing. So, but I mean, anyone I hit, they fell and I scored. Anyone that I hit on defense, they might have not gotten up. So, the problem is that when you go into play major college football, you carry that confidence with you. Yeah.

So, now I'm at Syracuse. I'm at rookie camp, and Syracuse just went 10 and 2, one of the biggest championship beat my Emmy, smoked Virginia Tech, Donutovic Neb, Biggies player of the year, ranked eighth in the country. So, we're running the inside drill, and I was playing Titan and Fullback, and I'm lined up with Fullback,

and we had this, I was a prep star high school all-American football player, and we had this linebacker named Clifton Smith, who was off-rivality schools, chose Syracuse, and Clifton was like, he looked like Ty Reese, but like a 250 pound,'s just a handsome black dude, but just like 250 pound. Dude, like, here's the thing.

People are just like, everybody's gotta be on gear. Clifton's one of those dudes who came from maybe from like a broken home, maybe lucky if he got two meals a day, but God given him genetics, he walked in as a freshman at 18. He was actually younger than me at 250 pounds, and just a freak. Didn't matter. I thought I was a freak too.

So the first time we remember the plate We ran 27 buck is a lead play on playing full night the ISO block him and I the whole opens up and I come back lifting comes downhill. I'm fucking buried us dude The next day I remember I was in the training room and we were between practices I was like what the fuck happened though. You got filmed like 20 minutes that motherfucker buckled me so hard I got destroyed got up looking at the wrong way out of my ear my helmet like you got filmed like 20 minutes. That motherfucker buckled me so hard. I got destroyed, got to be looking at the wrong way out of my ear, my helmet. Didn't know where I was.

They'd take me off the fucking field. That was a lot of the hit that afternoon practice. But Clifton hit the biggest fucking ass in the world. And it's just a different level of food. And it's like, and like I ran as hard as I could. I'm a 650 pound squatter, 4 of, Clifton couldn't bench 300 pounds. Couldn't squat as much as me. And I brought the wood as hard as I could, I'm a 650 pound squatter for him. Clifton couldn't bench 300 pounds. Couldn't squat as much as me.

And I brought the wood as hard as I could, but some people have that hip strength. They have that hip strength. Yeah. And our best player forever had that same thing. Running back. Nobody could tackle the guys. It's a brand through everybody.

People think like ass, people think they're professional football players are all on gear, they're out of their fucking minds. The reason, if anyone could take drugs and make Is the NFL then you will all your mother fuckers would do it because you'd be making tons of money Well, actually I even said that on your Instagram that you really want to say that yeah because somebody this dude was like Oh, all these guys are in look our steroids in professional sports. Yes, we'd be stupid to say they're not I'll tell you right now, but I will say this if it was that easy

All of us including myself would line up to take to risk this, this chance takes some steroids and be in the NFL and make millions of dollars. You want to know not nearly that until you're right now. It is not as common as you think in professional football. I'll tell you why. The, I don't, I don't want to sound a race. I want to sound the right way. The majority of scholarship football players at top schools are inner city black kids who

kind of come from nothing or they are. I'm just saying like the kids out on my team came from nothing and they were just awesome athletes and they use the athletic ability they have to change their money to go take their drugs and they mostly because they even have money to get food. Stories I heard. And you could tell they weren't you could tell they weren't genetically gifted. It wasn't like they were big and sculpted and ripped. I mean, I worked out hard. I made, I was a self-made man. These guys were just unbelievable athletes. So I'll tell you right now, especially when I got to the NFL. I remember

the first day I went into the, it was a second-atreet training camp in Atlanta, Falcons. And I went in, I had a little bit of ego between practice. I'm like, I'm a squat. I went through 15, went 405. And they, the strength was like, stop. So this is the NFL kid. He's like, I'm a squat. I went three, 15 went four, all five. And they, the strength was like, stop. So this is the NFL kid. He's like, when you get to this point, you're not trying to add strength. You're not trying to bench press or squat heavy. We're just trying to keep you healthy

and keep you on the field. When you get to the show, when you get to the league, nobody's trying to get stronger. Nobody's trying to, they're trying to, they used to weigh it, weigh us, and they wanted to keep your weight down because they figured lower body fat, lower weight, recover faster. You're an asset. You're an asset figure lower body fat, lower weight, you recover faster.

You're an asset. You're an asset. And if you're an asset, you have to create an asset. It's different. It's different. It's the real first reward. If you get injured, they lose their investment. And here's the one we got to remember though, if you've made it to the NFL at that level,

you have what it takes to be there. So now for you to play and be successful, it's understanding the intangibles of the game, the exes and those, the schemes, and being able to stay healthy and then be able to implement and play on the field and use technique and play with leverage. Adding 10 pounds of body weight, that's what you do in college, bro.

Getting fast enough to get there, that's what you already done. You've already been judged on your physical characteristics to decide if you could be worthy or not. It was, be honest, man, it was not very common guys in the NFL. Now, do guy or guys using H.J. back then? I imagine now a lot of guys probably are because it helps prolong their careers back then they probably weren't stuff.

But I was the strongest guy when I was at the Lannifalcons. And I wasn't, I was stronger in college than I was in the NFL. And I was definitely the strongest guy except for one lineman at the Buffalo Bills, but I was still stronger than when I was 20. Well, I will say this, okay. Man, that's interesting. I was just, guys just aren't tossed up. They're interested in keeping themselves healthy

and being small. Well, you have to watch this TED Talk that I talk to. I'll comment your addiction to a lot. You have to find opinions too. You have to find that TED Talk for him, he'll enjoy. Well, here's a TED Talk that talks about that. I used to tell people, I believed, and I'll be the first one to admit this,

that I used to tell people that I thought, I believe that the separation between what made, you know, your average person to a professional was steroids and hormones, that's what made him that way. And my whole paradigm was shattered when this Ted Talk I watched, and I was like, holy shit. And this, the guy that's doing it is a scientist and he's breaking down how records are being broken and it's a result of two things. It's a result of better equipment. So in sports that uses

equipment like biking and running and stuff like. But it's also the democratization of sports. Because if you go back, you know, at the beginning of football, all the football players look the same. Now you have specialized athletes of running back looks a particular way. Alignment looks a particular way. The quarterback looks a particular way. So you've got these people who are born into it and of course then they work hard. I went up, but one of the points I was going to make is when you move up a level, you're moving up, you're moving into a completely different category.

Let me explain what I mean. When you're in a high school and you're the best of the you're moving up, you're moving into a completely different category. Let me explain what I mean. When you're in a high school and you're the best of the best in high school, you go into college, you are now among everybody who is the best of the best in high school. One of 88 guys. Right. Right. Now, when you're the best of the best in college and you go into the pros, now, again, you've moved into where all the college best are now into this new level.

If it takes steroids to get you to that next level, it's very long. You're fucked. You're not good enough to last longer than a few games or whatever. And there's a good point. And you know enough about steroids is the one thing they do promote in athletic endeavors is muscle poles

and muscle tears. And I'll tell you right now, the couple guys that I know Juiced at Syracuse, Tor Triceps, Tor peck muscles, didn't even make it in my class, didn't make it to their senior year. Guys that were geared up and they were out of, you know, playing above their position, above their weight, you don't last very long. Well, so it's not conducive to the body. Well, the body has a natural set limit, it has a natural limit for how strong and how fast

it will allow itself to get, because your body, yes, it will adapt to get stronger and faster. But it would also prevent itself from injuring itself. And anabolic steroids kind of supersedes that. It's like you hack the system and now you're more prone to injury. Well, anabolic steroids do not change your skeletal structure. Right. And that's, it does not change your skeletal structure,

does not change your ligaments, it doesn't change things like that. It changes your muscle, it changes up your chemistry of your body, but it does not change your skeletal structure, does not change your ligaments, it doesn't change things like that. It changes, it changes your muscle, it changes up your chemistry of your body, but it does not change those things. And we've, and we've taught, yeah, recovery. But we've talked about this before that, and it's like with fighting when people get into these

debates, oh, he's juiced up, or this is that dude, if there's an MMA fighter who's 205 pounds and he's 100% natural, and he's fighting a guy who's juiced up, who should be 175 pounds, who juices up to 205. He he's 100% natural and he's finding a guy who's juiced up who should be 175 pounds who juices up to 205. He's finding the natural juiced up guys in a disadvantage. Yeah, totally.

We know it's steroids, producer, cardiovascular, a bill, I mean, your lung capacity. Well, again, it's because your body, you're pushing your body beyond its natural set point and you're setting yourself up from, look, I could juice myself up and get, hypothetically, I don't even think I could, but let's just say I could get as big as you, right?

I would not have the longevity, I would not have the ability, the athletic ability, because you can carry that weight naturally. Yeah, your body can't hold that. It's not natural. Right. And I'll tell you right now, and what people feel to realize is that when you,

when you get overdeveloped certain areas, like your biceps, your triceps, your chest, that's what muscle tears have. I can't tell you, you know, there was, I'm not gonna name names, your triceps, your chest. That's what muscle tears have. I can't tell you, you know, there's, I'm not going to name names, there's two guys I knew. The two guys I knew for sure that were on gear at Syracuse. They both had two bicep tears and there are five years there. And it's things like when your muscles get overdeveloped with your biceps and you reach out, they're both defense players. You have to tackle somebody and that running back goes through a normal person your arm

is going to collapse and you're pulling. When your arm is so blown out of proportion and so overly sized, it's not meant to be like that. The muscle takes the stress over the tendon and the tears. Or something like, you go to tackle someone and maybe you fall back and you put your arm down and you block your tricep, that's not normal. That's normal for someone who's overly direct. And by the way, ladies and gentlemen,

there are different levels of anabolic steroid use. If you are using, if someone's using anabolic steroids to bring their hormone levels up to a high normal, that's very different than anabolic steroid abuse. Not only it's so different, in fact, that the doses are dramatically different. 150 milligrams of testosterone a week or 100

might be enough to bring you at the upper natural levels. That is nowhere near the dose that, let's say, a professional bodybuilder would take to gain tons of muscle. So they would take 10 to 20 times that amount. So I'll tell you how NCAA drug testing works. And it's very, very, very difficult to beat. They don't test whether you, the byproduct of steroids. They don't test your testosterone levels,

because you know, what they do is they test your testosterone to epitestosterone levels. Right. The ratio. They use the ratio, the sixth one ratio. Now, granted, now we're in 2015, so I'm sure that there's enough information out that if a guy was juicing, he could probably adjust his epitestosterone levels to stay within the ratio.

But remember back, we talked about in like 2001, Google wasn't even out yet. You know, we, you know, search engines, we used to like, Metacrawlery, like dial up internet, whatever. So I mean, you're talking about college football players, you know, you're on campus, you guys have no money, they don't even have cars and all of a sudden they're going to be able to locate some chemist or endocrinologist or whatever. It's going to be able to adjust their levels to pass over. And I'll tell you right now, people say,

oh, you guys know when you're getting drug tested? We never knew. We never, ever knew when we were getting tested. The athletic training staff would call you at 6am, and they'd be like NCAA's in town. You have 30 minutes to show up for a drug test. You show up, you come down. If you can't pee, if you say they don't go piss,

but if you can't pee, you gotta wait. They would give you apple juice to drink. And you sometimes, someone said it's there for three or four hours till they gave a good sample. I mean, that's how it is. And there's very, I mean, I'll be honest, you look at the stats, probably less than 10 major division one football players a year

that gets suspended for a performance. It's usually for marijuana. Which is ridiculous. Can we talk about that first set? 300 teams and 90 players and each team. Can we talk, can we talk about getting banned for marijuana. I'll give you a little bit more. Which is ridiculous. Can we talk about that for a second? With 300 teams and 90 players and he's so small. Can we talk about getting banned for marijuana for a second? Who was it that just got banned from UFC? Was it Nick Diaz?

Diaz, yeah. Just got banned for marijuana. Why is that even on the list of performance enhancing drugs? That's, that's, to me, that's silly. I think you should. So to me, there's differences between professional sports and college athletics. Professional sports that shouldn't be an issue. I get with college athletics,

they shouldn't be allowed to use marijuana because because it's illegal. Well, no, just for the most part is because these kids are two athletes. They need to not be smoking weed. They need to be going to class. They need to not be fucking getting hot and ordering dominoes and chilling out, you know.

But if you're a professional athlete, you're a professional. You know what, it's getting here and here and here. A study just came out. So you guys have heard all the studies coming out with NFL saying how I forgot what percentage are getting some long-term brain trauma from them. Oh, I have CT problems. Right.

So there was a new study just came out that says how marijuana can as proven to treat some of that. Can you wait a minute, getting a high on maybe less of a dickhead? No, how to treat some of that. So, you know, when we're getting a high, it would be less of a dickhead. No, how it reduces some of the brain trauma and the inflammation to, it's a neuroprotector that cannabinoids are. So, you just made a board cannabinoids,

that's awesome. No, no, cannabinoids are real word. I promise you, look it up. We're a competing, yeah. We're competing. But I believe in the future, it might even be included as part of a treatment for athletes because of the brain protecting properties, especially in sports like professional football.

Yeah, well, they're doing that, and they're also doing that with testosterone and replacement, and they're making advances with that as far as traumatic brain injuries. Yep. There's a couple of doctors that are working on that right now that have promising results from that, so it's interesting because because yeah, I mean, Joe, how many times have you had a concussion from all these all these different collisions you've had in your career? It's ridiculous.

You don't even add, the question isn't have you had a concussion? No, no, I'm just saying, because I've had at least five, but you know, whatever. We'll see back then, you didn't really document it. It started towards my seniorly document a little bit more, but it was more like, you know, what's your name? Where are you? And it, like, honestly, even if you couldn't answer, like, I could have told my coach, I'd like, listen,

we're playing Boston College. Yeah, you still got in the game. Now 17 14, I need to go back and next series, they're like, yeah, you're starting to end, you got to go in. So yeah, I've had a lot of head trauma from football a lot, from dating with Tina's, you know, I've had a lot of head trauma from football a lot from dating with Tinas, you know, I mean, so. So yeah, I mean, I think the concussions in your later years are more that's your girls than you're gonna get. Yeah, can you hear that? Candles the coldest. I'm just gonna say, can we tell you what candles take? No, I'm not going over that. Not at all.

Not at all. Oh, man. So yeah, I mean, I would say probably six or seven certified in another three or four from late night candlestick. Have you ever worked in a gym? No, never worked. Never owned a gym or anything like that. I've owned part of two gyms. How you like that? The gym business is tough. It's the landscape is not what it used to be. If the market is so saturated, you invest tons of money. Originally, I bought the real estate and then brought in a partner to rent out part of the space.

There's not much money in making gyms. I always say, I want to own gyms, I want to do this. If you're independently wealthy, please, I want to do that. That's great, that's fine. Don't think you're going to make money off of it. It's very, very want to do this. If you're independently wealthy, please, I don't want to do that. That's great, that's fine. Don't think you're going to make money off of it. It's very, very tough to do. It's helping people.

By the real estate, that's fine. If you want to want to business, you want to release it to yourself, that's okay. Unless you want a huge chain, right? Even then you're not going to be able to. Even then, the analogy I give to people, and I say this because I want to own a gym with it, but I want to own it the same way

that the guy who's retired buys his bar. His little bar. That's a novelty. Yeah, you're not trying to make money off of it. It just barely pays for the bills. And someday I'll probably buy a gym that's near me and I'll fill.

And even if I lose money, that's fine, but it'll be a place that I'll go. It'll be like cheers, but for the gym. Exactly. But you think you're going to invest in a gym and make money, you're going to lose money. Well, now but it'll be a place that I'll go. It'll be like cheers, but for the exactly. But if you think you're gonna invest in the gym and make money, you're going to lose money. Well, now to be fair, to be fair, some of the clubs we ran, Adam,

when we worked for 24. Not anymore. Right, but back then, it's because we were running them, right? It's beyond the time. I ran a club. I ran a club. Now granted it was the flagship.

What do they use to charge? They charge the 24 back down month. Oh, a lot more, yeah, 45, 50 right now. They're trying to do it. They're 19. You can go and you can offer them like 10 or 11, they'll down month. Oh, a lot more, yeah, 45.50. Now they're trying to get 19. You can go and you can offer them like 10 or 11, they'll take it. Yeah, I know.

But one of the clubs I managed because it'd been so long. Well, I had a very big dues base. That club was making $3 million profit a year, that one location. Back then. Back then. Here's the future.

I don't see the big boxes being the money makers. I see the smaller, more specialized studios. Well, we knew even better. Like Orange Theory Fitness, great model. Very successful. My business partner, I fucking, I told him. He bought into a fucking yoga studio and Santa Monica and Beverly Hills. I'm like, this is fucking, it's cash now business killing it.

Yeah, it's great. Fucking bastard. Yep, yep, yep, yep. The studios are the future. But the industry is, yeah. Probably they come in so expensive. So you have to have, you have to have 10,000 square feet and you gotta have a half. Yep. Yep. Yep. It is. The studios are the future. But the genius, you probably they're coming so expensive. So you have to have you have to have 10, 15,000 square feet and you got to have a half million dollars. At least in 10, 50,000, not even a huge. No, it's not. You got tons of equipment

and it's just in giving enough members in there. Oh, it's a million dollars a star. Certain gyms. And this is again, this is doing things off the book. So say if you're like a gold gym in a popular area, the only way you're going to make money is if you have like a gold gym in a popular area, the only way you're gonna make money is if, you have personal trainer's coming and they're paying you $750, $800 a month. And you get a table to train. You have to pay for a train staff, yeah.

No, so they can, it's almost like, it's almost like a barber rents a chair. Right, right, right. So if you can get like 50 or 100 trainers, they're gonna pay you 500 or 800 or a thousand dollars a month, that's cash in your pocket and not putting on the books, but you're not gonna make money from membership You're not gonna make money even for personal training. It's tough because if you're a personal trainer You're gonna be like wait a minute. You're like I'm gonna make $20 an hour from you

Or I can just give you like 600 a month and I can charge whatever I want Kids are gonna be like dude. I'll do that. You know, it's just a much better business There is one model that I've that we've looked at that seems to be killing it And I don't know if you've been in a UFC gym. Have you been in a... There's one in L.A. Those are fucking sick, especially the ones that they've built. Those are like legit sick ass gyms.

That in CrossFit gyms, they do well too. Yeah, let's be honest. But here's the thing though, it has, first of all, it has to be UFC gyms, CrossFit gyms, you have to have a lot of square footage, but it has to be in the right area. So... Right. Because price for square foot is expensive. I know because I lease the stuff out.

So in metropolitan area, you're going to lose money, not going to make money, but out somewhere where cost for square foot is cheaper. That's fine. And then, and then CrossFit made it, they made the model out of going into these. Well, it's the warehouse. Yeah. Let's be honest. Let's be honest to here. You're talking about the the Godfather of fitness, pairing with the fucking gangster of MMA. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, that's what I said. You got Mark Mastroff, which is by the way, the G, fucking fitness.

The first person to ever reach a billion dollars in the fitness industry. And then he pairs with MMA, which is fucking exploding right now. So just that merger alone is enough to float a business. It's not fucking. Didn't the guy who created 25 fitness, you see the new honor of the Sacramento Kings? Yep.

Yeah, he's he's from like Sacramento. Right. But he's but he sold he sold his own 24 now. No, no, actually, great story. Yeah, it's a pretty well, you know, we're exited. He was exited on the, well, yeah.

Yeah. Sorry, you don't. I'm sorry. No, no, no, no, that's it. I mean, we were a part of the hey days of 24, you know, and back in the days when Mark Marshall, I thought no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, he owned it, was the good old boys club, it was the place to be. Do they want to the $500,000 a year of like franchising fee? Oh, like then, I remember we looked into it, it was like ridiculous. It was the name.

It was the place, I mean, he was the man, and he, we talked a little bit this in the other episode that we did with you with the whole, Lee and his vision as far as like pain that people underneath him, like he was very intelligent that way. You could be a 20 year old kid, come in, and if you were selling memberships or personal training, you could be $100,000 a year. kid, come in, and if you were selling membership to a person, you could be $100,000 in a year.

Bro, I made, I was 19 years old, making $120,000. You're back in 2000. Yeah, I was a thousand times the same. And that's how it should have been. That was a true sales job. It was, and I credit that to my success. I was 21 years old, I was the ability for me to buy a house in the Bay Area at that year.

A lot of times, I'm just keep crediting his own success. Crediting his own skills all the time. Right, so. We battled ourselves in the back here. No,'ll have to keep credit in his own success. Right. Credit his own skills all the time. Right. So, Pat and yourself in the back. No, no, it was, it was, it was because working for a great company like that. You know, and I like to talk about that

because it's so rare to find that, man. It's so rare to find somebody who has, I loved Mark Mashable. I love what he did. I loved his vision. I loved how he built what he did. He also gave, let's also say one thing though, he gave you guys an aggressive commission

like sales model. And it will tie us into fitness in one second, but it's like, he basically said, you're going, you know, this is how I'm going to structure your commissions and there's two types of people in life. There's people that are like, wow, okay, I can do X, Y and Z and I can make this, I can be great.

There's people like, wait a minute, ooh, like if I don't sell this, I'm not going to get paid and I'm, and that's kind, like if I don't sell this, I'm not gonna get paid. And that's kind of fitness industry is now, if you give me one second to indulge. So a lot of these most all-sponsored ships now are like commission based. And I hear a lot of pushback from people.

They're like, I don't know if I want a commission based because I don't know if I can close sales. I'm like, oh, is that because most of your followers are fake or because most of your followers are because you only post pictures in bikinis and Thongs because they can't close sales if you have a hundred thousand followers 200,000 followers because you post ass shots But you can't sell shit. You can't sell BCAs, you know, it's a fucking dude who's starving in China

You know, it's a buck. So it's like People are people who I don't have the courage don't have any drive there They're scared to take on that that sales model But that's part of the reason that 24 did so was they found kids that were hungry People who don't have the courage don't have any drive. They're scared to take on that sales model, but that was part of the reason that 24 did so well. They found kids that were hungry. It was almost like you guys were like, you guys were like, stop.

You guys are like, young stockbrook. Oh my God. That's exactly what it is. He catered to it. All right, I'm out. I'm leaving good. Yeah, see you later. Newest side of the episode with George.

When George leaves on a high note, all right, I'm good. I made my point. We just talked about that on Mindful. We just talked about that on Mindful. Just Justin. That's not a tell story. Just a tell story. Everyone gets a laugh and then he just stops. The intro. We just talked about that on Mindful. Just Justin. That's how I tell stories Just it tells a story everyone gets a laugh that he just stops

The I've got a so many business dinner before the entrees of come when I've told a funny joke everyone laughs Just get a walk away. I gotta believe it. Okay, buddy Jim will text me. Where the fuck did you go? I'm like dude, I'm like George Seinfeld. I'm like leave on a high note. I will fucking leave him to that not make perfect sense It does right? Yeah, you're always like you're doing it better. I'm like, and I stuck you have the bill I'm like You have the bill How short the story when I when I was running clubs when I told you I was making a hundred 120 grand a year my salary back in 1968 That's a lot of my Listen to this show my salary my salary to grand a month

My salary was to grand a month so it was the vast majority of the income that we earned, he was off of the production that we did. He catered to the 20% time. He catered to 20, you know, with that business, for sure, that business model was the 80-20 role. 80% of the people made 20% of the money, 20% of the people made 80% of the money, which I loved, which I feel the America should be like that. The wish, if you work hard, you're good at what you do,

you should be rewarded for it, and if you're a shit, but you shouldn't be well, that's it. If you're middle of the pack you should get middle the back Three-fifths compromise. Fuck yeah, everybody should be given one vote Those of you that don't pay taxes don't own land aren't employed should be given no votes or half a vote Those of us that own companies that employ people that own real estate the pair taxes that are in good standing We should be given two or three votes. Then let's see how voting turns out next election. Oh, you guys think that I'm a racist or a thing I'm politically incorrect?

Well, let me tell you something. If I have a couple companies, I have 40, 50, 60 employees, and I own properties, and I pay all these $100,000 in taxes, why is Johnny fucking jerk off sitting in a house, living on fucking government assistance, doing nothing but draining all of our tax money. Why is his vote equal to mine?

And if you motherfuckers listen, don't agree with that, think of fuck yourselves. You don't understand how the world should work. Well, here's a deal. Absolutely. Well, I'll tell you why. I'll tell you what they created it for.

First and foremost, they created that because I think, as you move forward, you want to be careful because you want to be careful for things at crony capitalism, corporatism, because we have a government that gets heavily influenced by corporations, which should be competing in a free market. Instead, what they do, instead of competing,

is they use the force of the government to take out their competition. And this is not a good thing because it stifles things like innovation. It destroys opportunities for people. So this is why an idea like that, obviously a lot of people that will be on that. That's more about campaign reform, right? Well, what I will say is this, what I will say is this.

If you want a government that works for the people that isn't influenced by companies, by corporations, by big money, then what you do is you have to remove the incentive. Okay, it's just like any business. Let's get really incentive. How do we do that? Take the government out of the market. If the government has no role in the market,

if the government can't go into the market, hold up your changes, hold up. Right, look at me put it this way. Do you know much money is gonna be raised in this next presidential election, per candidate, a billion dollars. We're ridiculous. Where's that coming from?

Where's that coming from? Where's that coming from? Where's coming from? Where's it going? Right. The reason why companies invest so much money is because the government is the referee. And when the referee is in the game and playing the game, they're the first ones to be bought off. If they're out of the game, then all companies can do is compete with each other.

Now in the past, people would say, we need regulations because we need to make sure the government protects us. And there might have been an argument for that. But now in the age of information with reviews and yelp and where I can communicate, listen, a company screws you over, they don't get away with it like they used to. It's a very different landscape. And today, right, you remove government out of the market, you will eliminate all that influence into politics. And then you have politicians actually working for us and not for these corporations.

And then that kind of stuff would have mattered. And then of course, part two, if we just respected the liberties guaranteed us by the Bill of Rights, you respect those, then you're not going to be afraid of this majority rules where you get tyrannized by the majority of America. And if 60% of America is collecting from the other 40% that's producing, that's what I was gonna say. I was gonna, so you made a great point to how about dinner is that unfortunately,

we're in a current situation where 55 or 60% is, is the leeches of society living off of government assistance or whatever it is, and that's why we're electing the way we are. Now, I'm not saying you should be a Republican or you should be a Democrat. All I'm gonna say is this, this is one thing I learned in business and it holds true to almost everything in life.

When you're negotiating with someone or you're arguing with someone, you're debating with someone, the minute they get emotional, they've lost. Never argue, think, make statements, decide with emotion. You use analytics, you use your brain. So when people start talking about, this candidate doesn't believe and doesn't support the church, or doesn't support gay marriage,

or it doesn't, blah, blah, blah. I'm not gonna get too political, but it's like, what does that meant? Why are you getting so upset? Vote with your wallet. Well, you know what is gonna best the economy at the end of the day? I'll tell you what it is.

Here's the deal. Here's the game that politicians play. They pick wedge issues that energize their base. Because the nose of certain percentage of population so stupid they're gonna side with them. Well, I have no way to fix the economy, but I support certain church. Let me give you an example.

We just had a horrible tragedy in Oregon with the mass shooting, okay? Horrible tragedy. Instantly you have one side saying, uh, ban guns and you have the other side saying, everybody should own a gun. Here's the reality, okay, people need to be objective about this. Uh, more people own guns now than ever before and crime, violent crime, gun crime is down 52% since 1992. It's been going down since then. It's trending downward. So there isn't this strong correlation that we like to think about. Well, let's get away from politics for a minute, because we're boring people. But the point is this is that more people own guns than ever, and the

violent crime rate is down. And so everybody should get a gun and a YMCA card and rent a fucking book and we'll find it. I'm just saying, but it's like, you know, like Obama, he doesn't want, he doesn't want anybody to have guns, but he wants all these guns to go to Syria to be able to fight people that are trying to fight, what we should have those to. I mean, come on. What's the point?

If we had a president that had a test level of over 150, we'd be awesome. No, we don't. I go to the restaurant for like five minutes, you guys are not even that. You guys already talked about politics and shit, what'd you do? Yeah, yeah.

The wizard left. I don't know. Our influence of A to A was do. Yeah, yeah, the wizard left our influence. I know was I think we've been on talking about it for a long time. What do you think Douglas? Yeah, it looks. No, uh, sweet that we should probably we should probably delve into some fitness questions. We should we should we should we over another episode.

We over an hour again. Another episode. Why don't we chop this and we'll go to the third one. Okay. Sounds good. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. For more information about this show and to get valuable free resources from Sal, Adam, and Justin,

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