Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2051: How Taking Time Off From Working Out Can Build More Muscle, the Best Ways to Workout Without Equipment, Tips to Help You Jump Higher & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: April 12, 2023

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: When it comes to training your body or doing things to your body, a little bit of stress can actually make you healthier and stronger. (2:07) How Justin is currently using the Mobility Wall. (13:46) Seeing things for the first time. (16:25) Is Saudi Arabia buying attention? (18:52) The OnlyFans phenomenon. (22:12) How propaganda can be harmful and misleading. (31:26) The Democrats are playing a risky game. (40:36) Organic vs non-organic content. (50:47) Shout out to Bret Contreras. (58:16) #ListenerLive question #1 - Why am I not seeing huge muscle growth when maintaining or any real leaning out when in a cut? (1:00:06) #ListenerLive question #2 - Are there any good bodyweight or minimal equipment routines you guys could recommend or any other tips to minimize muscle loss? (1:12:29) #ListenerLive question #3 - What's the best strategy (programming, nutrition) to achieve my goal of being able to dunk by 40? (1:18:56) #ListenerLive question #4 - Is it normal to be sorer on deload weeks than on regular weeks? (1:30:59) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Visit The Cold Plunge for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump Listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout for $150 off your order** Visit Mobility Wall for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code MINDPUMP at checkout for 20% off** April Promotion: MAPS Anabolic or MAPS Split 50% off! **Code APRIL50 at checkout** Mind Pump #1822: Wim Hof On How To Control Your Immune System With Breathwork Lionel Messi Receives Monstrous $440 Million Offer From Saudi Arabia: Reports Watch Full Swing | Netflix Official Site New research suggests physical exercise has 'little' mental benefits Dr. Michael Ruscio post on Probiotic Supplements How an Economy Grows and Why It Crashes – Book by Peter Schiff ‎Arnold's Pump Club on Apple Podcasts All-In Podcast - E122: Is AI the next great computing platform? ChatGPT vs. Google, containing AGI & RESTRICT Act AI could go 'Terminator,' gain upper hand over humans in Darwinian rules of evolution, report warns  Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout** Mind Pump #2010: Seven Reasons Your Workout Isn’t Working Mind Pump #1630: Ten Ways To Break Through A Plateau MAPS 15 Minutes MAPS Fitness Anywhere The Vert Code- Bodyweight | PJF Performance MAPS Fitness Performance MAPS Anabolic Advanced Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Wim Hof (@iceman_hof) Instagram Andrew Huberman, Ph.D. (@hubermanlab) Instagram Leo Messi (@leomessi) Instagram Dr. Michael Ruscio, DC- Gut Health (@drrusciodc) Instagram Bret Contreras PhD (@bretcontreras1) Instagram Paul J. Fabritz (@pjfperformance) Instagram Max Schmarzo (ATC/CSCS/MS) (@strong_by_science) Instagram

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There's some truth in the saying, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. All right, so obviously the dose makes the poison, but when it comes to training your body or doing things to your body, a little bit of stress can actually make you far healthier and stronger. For example, exercise, a stress on the body, your body adapts, get stronger.

Heat, okay? Sonna has shown to be improved health, but why are you in the sauna? It's stressing your body out. Cold plunge, cold plunge is pretty remarkable. Shown debust immune function and the production of feel good chemicals. So all these things, and many other things

that can cause stress can actually make you more fit, healthy and strong. The key is understanding what the right dose is for your body, what you can handle and adapt to. I'm immediately reminded of that meme from the hangover. Remember that Asian guy from the hangover? Or was he like, oh, but did you die?

Yeah, Mr. What was the name? Mr. Something. I just watched out with my kids by the way. Great movie. With my 13 year old daughter and the scene when he jumps out of the freaking naked. And he's let it all. Yeah, oh, yeah.

They're revealing classic. Not a good dad. Have you guys watched the, I brought this up a while about a while ago. I don't know if you guys have seen it since I've said it to you as is the, you know, like how long has Wim Hof been doing his thing, like over a decade, right? He's been preaching this message.

It's, I feel like just recently in the last year, maybe two years has really taken off as far as becoming like, popular. Now I can't go through my feed without seeing at least two or three coal plunge videos. Yeah, because of that, like anything else, you see the counter movement now of everybody that's trying to shit on it and like,

oh, that's ridiculous, you know, to do something like that. Like there's so many other better things you can do. You know what was funny? We were like speculating. I think I was skeptical as to whether or not it was gonna like catch fire, take off because it's hard. You know, it's not something that a lot of people

enjoy doing at all. But then again, it's hard. You know, it's not something that a lot of people enjoy doing at all. But then again, it's like a should of no. And like, because you got your Spartan races, you got your OCR events, you got these, I feel like we're seeking out discomfort a lot more now. Because we're so, well, our body requires it. And if you live too comfortably, you actually become sick and runically else. You have to choose, yeah, ill. So you have to choose to exercise, you have to choose to stress your body out appropriately.

That's always the key here. But the cold, I mean, cold plunges, I mean, they do boost immune system. They do, in many cases, regulate hormones. They do produce these feel good catacole. And in fact, there are people have been known to become addicted to cold plunges. The feeling of the energy that you get after.

So that's my theory on why it's taken off is because it speaks for itself. If you've, like it's funny, it's always the people that are clowning on it or the people that have ever done it consistently. Yeah, you know, take somebody and maybe put their foot in one time, or like this is stupid.

Or they never did it, right? Because if you've ever done it at all with some sort of regularity around it, you feel the difference. I mean, you instantly feel it when you get out and then if you do it consistently long enough, you start to see some of the compound benefits from it. Yeah, and by the way, this is old wisdom. So a lot of, because you now have products like plunge,

for example, this, you can put it in your home and it's, you know, it's filtered water and it maintains a particular temperature. So now we have these like products that you can put in your home for cold's filtered water and it maintains a particular temperature. So now we have these products that you can put in your home for cold. It's like turnkey, yeah. Yeah, for cold dip, people think this is like this new thing. People have noticed the, and acknowledge the benefits

of cold water and cold temperature therapy for a long time. It's a part of certain cultures. In Russia, for example, they're known for when they wash it, when they bathe the kid to finish off the bathing with super cold water. There's videos of little kids in the snow. This is the recess and recess.

They put their bathing suits on. The teacher kicks them outside to go in the snow and take their coats, everything off. And then they might go to the snow. They play in the snow and throw snow at each other. I was just watching, there's a special on right now. I think it's on Amazon. I know David Letterman is interviewing you to the band. And it's like a really cool. And they take them back to their homeland and like, today, tell their whole story. And there's an area

that I forget what it's called, but a special bathing area where like, like for hundreds of years everybody else, it's like ice cold water and everybody, it's like a traditional place that everybody goes and swims in because of the benefits of the cold water. They do it throughout winter and everything when it's like super high school.

Wasn't there a group of, there was like a club. Polar Bear Club. Polar Bear Club. That's over. That's over. That's been over. They're all over. They're all over the place. It's not just, they're in San Francisco. San Francisco, Tru bear club. That's over that around that's been over there all over. They're all over the place It's not just they're in what do they do? They just have a Cisco trucky. Yeah, it's just a ton of people that are a part of a club that go

Do these cold swims? Yeah, that it's what's interesting about is if you've never done it before first of all it sucks to do it It's it's really Shocking to the system, but when you come out. Oh my god like jefforic almost That's exactly what I know you for. Yeah, it's a sick ass pre-workout. You think, if you think you're... Actually, the best way to use it would be a pre-workout. If you think your pre-workout is amazing, go try and do that.

I mean, the feeling of ready to lift and go at it is like unbelievable. That's the best way to use it. Post-workout, the value would be, if you're going to work out again, and you see athletes have done this in the past, well, they'll jump in like a plastic garbage bin full of ice water because they're doing two or three workouts a day.

And so they need to reduce inflammation to allow for that crazy amount of training. For the average person, you don't want to do that. You don't want to necessarily do that. But pre workout. By the way, that's what the haters are trying to hate to hate on that. Because it blunts the inflammatory muscle building

signal or whatever. So again, you know, it just reminds me of is how fasting was sold wrong. Yes. You know, fasting, we know fasting has been around forever. All kinds of great benefits to it. So with that, of course, we latch on to the diet fat loss strategy of it,

which is a terrible strategy to use it for. The same thing goes for the cold plunge. Yes, it can help facilitate recovery, but that's not even the biggest benefits from it, and that's not how I would use it. So, but pre-workout, what it'll do is it'll pre-set the inflammatory response. It'll create natural endorphins,

which will help with pain tolerance. It produces catacolomene, so these are like dopamine, norepinephrine, epinephrine. These are the chemicals that you're trying to artificially ramp up with a traditional pre-workout, but your body literally produces them naturally by being exposed to the cold. And because you did something hard to get it, so Hooberman talks about this. When you do something hard to get that dopamine, you don't create that feedback loop where it becomes, you start to down-regulate receptors

and start to become a problem. This is actually a great way to get that dopamine release because you had to do something hard to get it. So that's how the brain is kind of wired. So as a pre-workout, that would be the absolute best way to use it. And you've already done that. Oh, yeah, consistently.

That's how I like to use it. I'll never, I'm in fact, I think one time I've used it since I've been talking about using it consistently after a workout and that was just because I didn't get to it before and it was like in a rush to work out and then I still wanted to plunge. But I normally do the plunge first. Another benefit that I think is not highlighted enough is how many of us are chest breethers and are at this constant state of like low levels of stress all the time because of the way we breathe shallow breathing. Yeah, you can't do

that in that. You can't do that. You'll be out in 30 seconds. So it trains you to learn how to take those deep slow controlled breathing and I can't stress enough of that. I'd say resistance training for that. Yeah. And so there's tremendous value in the be able to calm yourself down like that in other times in your life. And I don't think anything does that better. To add to that.

So what you're essentially doing is you're creating this, you're inducing this artificial stress response. And because you're in this stressed environment of cold, and you are now trying to counter it by deep breathing, you are teaching yourself how to regulate in a stressful situation in a controlled way. The carryover to every day life is profound, because if you practice that on a regular basis, and then you're in traffic or your partner triggers you or something happens with your kids or whatever, you can now regulate that response and maintain a much more calm, focused state of mind. And if you do this consistently enough, just like anything else, it becomes second nature.

It's not like you have to go, oh, how do I do that? Right, right, right. You know, you've been taught to breathe like that so much that you feel your body will feel yourself to get into that moment. And you'll automatically switch over. It's so, yeah, I mean, I think it's got a lot of benefits that we don't highlight of everybody's always muscle building fat loss. We don't care about anything. Yeah. And I know there's a lot of people that put, you know, pitch like, oh, and by the way, this is true too, but it's again, it's not the reason why I do it. You start staying in there like I have been lately where I'm hitting five minutes to

stuff like that. I'm fucking cold for like five hours. By the way, you know that that at that point, speaking of fat loss, it does teach your body to convert White fat to round fat. Yeah, which is a thermogenic active form of body fat, which burns calories. This is a kind of body fat you want. This is like the performance enhancing body fat, if you will, loosely defined. Well, I didn't do it today, but you could also tell, so if I had done it before we podcast today, and this room is super hot and warm right now, I would still be shaking. Right. And that burns calories.

Your body's sitting there trying to heat up and warm up. And that continues. Like when I when I started staying in the long periods where I'm in there for four or five minutes, I feel that for hours later. So you get this this calorie burning effect. Do they test that you consistently know? Five minutes. I could back the first two as the hardest. The first two as the hardest. The first two is the hardest. I can do that. Yeah, once you get to the, to me, once you hit the two minute mark, you've regulated your breathing, you're almost numb at that point. What I have a hard time doing is I know some people recommend to do.

I've seen Kelly Starrett talk about. I think I've seen even the Iceman do it like where you're, you're supposed to move. That fucks me. So I, if I get in, I got got a I got to get in I get all controlled again I hit that two-minute mark and I'm like still I'm just and I'm just focus on my breathing and relaxing if I do this and move around it like it's almost like starting over the two-minute clock so you got to get in there you know it's weird about hot and cold tolerance is it you can have one you

could be good at one and not the other one they're different oh like I can go on a sauna or a steam room and I could chill forever. Cold sucks. Yeah, that's right. I hate cold to do much better with that. Yeah, you're the opposite, right? Yeah, yeah.

And I hate cold as so, so I gotta do it. I have to do it. So the brown fat, like, did they, have they tested that in terms of like when the time length of like exposure, like when it actually starts to convert? Yeah, I forgot what it was. It was like, you have to do.

A huge amount of weeks or months or whatever. It seemed like 15 minutes a week. I don't remember. Yeah, it's 12 or 15 minutes. I can't remember what you, I've said it one time on the podcast before, to reap the, like the max benefits, you want to do a minimum of 12 or 15 minutes per week.

So like that. Okay. Yeah. But that conversion happens per week. So like that. Okay. Yeah. But that conversion happens over time. So that's also how I got up to kind of like the five minute mark was like, okay. We're trying to do the math there. Well, I was trying to go like, if I do a minimum of three days a week and I'm doing four or five minutes, I'm getting like the maximum.

Now try and do it every single day, but there doesn't happen. So I'm like, if I can get in there three times a week, be in there for four or five minutes, I'm going to reap the most of benefits from it. I've been a lot more consistently in mobility in conjunction with that, because I just started kind of getting after dead lifts and squats again, which I've been real lateral of the last, I don't know, a few months,

trying to address my hip issues and instability. And so like, I don't know if this happens to you guys, it probably does all the time, but once you really start kind of lifting heavy, especially barbell lifts, like you just get that restricted, like tight knot, like especially here in form flexor, and it's just like, ugh,

and it just kind of like plagues you for a while. So normally I would take like one of those lacrosse balls and I put it like on the wall and I would just kind of roll with it and it's a little funky or whatever, but I found that mobility wall. So I've been using it just like, it's great for upper body,

which I don't usually use a foam roll from my upper body as much, except for like maybe like two moves. I've never done so how does it get in the armpit? So if you do it for your upper body and it's in a doorway, yeah, you like, is it kind of lean? Yeah, it's one side. So then you do it for your upper body and it's in a doorway, yeah, you like, is it lean? It's one side. So then you probably isolated,

so how high do you like put it? So you need about shoulder height for that? Yeah, you can put it higher low. I put it about like chest height for, it's so they have like actually in the middle of it, which was a cool tool, I just realized they had. It's like a little tuning fork. It looks like, it's like two little little forks that come up like this.

You put your forearm through there and massage it, through and it just kind of rakes up through the muscle. Oh my God. So this kind of work, it's called myofascial release. That's not really what's happening, but that kind of work is most beneficial on muscles that are hard to stretch. So like you talk about the forearm flexors and extensors.

The problem is, you know, once I try to stretch the extensors, my wrist lock, I can't go any further. So pressure becomes the best way to kind of break down and get that CNS thing on top. Obviously get into the mobility, like wrist cars and things, but like it still was like restricted, so that helps. Well, that's the ideal pathway would be use the mobility wall thing to relieve, give the temporary relief, comisy and s down, and then do like wrist carers afterwards.

Yep, and then mobility. Have you guys ever done consistently done where you do that kind of work on the Terras major minor in the armpit area? Bro, it's intense. Oh, it's gnarly if you've never done it. Yeah. But then go do pull ups or shoulder presses in your stronger, five pounds.

My pull ups, like always go up if I do that first. Oh, interesting. Yes, because I've done it before, but I've actually never done it with that intent of doing it right before. If I'm gonna max out on a heavy pull, I'll go do that and then I'll go do the heavy pull and I notice a pretty big difference.

That's a sure thing. Anyway, I gotta tell you guys funny story. So, you know, I'll go do that, and then I'll go do the heavy pull, and I notice a pretty big difference. Anyway, I gotta tell you guys funny stories. So, you know, I obviously have my youngest is, gosh, she's gonna be almost five months here pretty soon. It's fine. And Jessica sent me this video of her, right? She was laying on the couch, so Jessica, she's such a chill little baby. We can put her down, she smiles, plays by herself sometimes. And she was laying there, and she's just like, tripping out on her hand, you know? So she sent me this video, and she's like doing this thing, and she was laying there, and she's just like tripping out on her hand, you know?

So she sent me this video, and she's like doing this thing, and she's like, I think our daughter's on Holicity James's like that. But it makes you realize, at that age, at five months old, every day has gotta be the weirdest trip. Yeah. Cause she's seeing and- She's just realizing, like, what's happening?

I'm just kind of like- I'm just scrolling this. The craziest drug ever. You're at that the five month, I can't remember, I remember reading this as far as, because their site, it takes time to fully develop. You know, they first, like they see you have clothes. And they can't see like detail, it's like first like shape and like certain colors come through.

And then so it's like, I don't remember at what point they really start to see like the three dimensional and like certain colors come through and then so it's like I don't remember at what point They really start to see like the three-dimensional and like stuff comes out So that's probably what you're seeing right? It's just starting to come together I think it's what I would Justin was saying where you know She could see her hand before but she didn't connect to the fact that that was her hand that she could control Because now she'll start to reach for things like one finger You know you kind of go through that process. I got it, I'm gonna post the video,

you know, if you're watching the sun YouTube, but she's literally laying on the couch and she's just like, like if you saw somebody too many mushrooms in the video. Yeah, just looking at it. Like going to a rave or something. Yeah, it was the cutest thing ever. But I mean, it's, think about it.

Like when you're, I mean, I can't even imagine what that must be like to be so new to have that many because infants have a massive amount of neural connections. More than adult does, what happens is it starts to prune and fine tune itself. So they're literally seeing and feeling shit in like, you know, 5D like way more than we do and just tripping out the whole time. Yeah, it's it's hilarious. It was probably a good time. Oh, what does that say? It is not until around the fifth month that the eyes are capable of working together to see a three-dimensional view of the world.

That's the fifth month. Yeah, yeah. Interesting. Yeah, I remember that because I remember reading as we are going through the process with him and I actually didn't know that. I didn't know that that's like I just assumed that the baby's boy around me could see it. They didn't know that that's like, I just assumed that the baby's boy, they can see, they can see normal. And it's like, no, it's in phases. And I knew it was like around that time when it starts to really come all the way together that they can see three dimensions. Dude, I got a sports thing for you guys. It might not be your sport.

You guys don't really give a shit about the sport. But do you guys know who Lionel Messi is? Of course. They're one of the greatest soccer players ever, right? Did you hear what Saudi Arabia just offered him to go over there and play? Oh, God, how much? Oh, wait, okay, so this is another league like, like,

LIV, is that what's happening with soccer? It's okay, so yes, he's gonna go over there and play in Saudi Arabia, and he got offered a $440 million a year contract to continue his club career in Saudi Arabia. Is he gonna do it? Wow. I hope so.

I mean, half a billion dollars. A lot of these guys are turning it down. So this is like, have you not watched what Saudi Arabia is doing? No. Yeah, bro, they didn't body building. They're doing it in pro golf. They're now doing it in soccer.

And they're paying way over the top on everything. Yeah, because like what's the most a soccer player will get in club? Like, do we know what that is? It's got to, it's can, it's something near that. They're pretty well paid, but yeah, not 400. Well, that's almost, we're in all those, we're in all those Lionel Messi and, I mean,

they're up there in the top 10 highest paid athletes already. But this is for a, this is not even a sponsor. No, that's what I'm saying though, is that they are, it's not even a sponsor. No, that's not a solution. But that's what I'm saying though, is that they are overpaying, the golfers that just went over there are like, they're like top 100 guys, but they're not even top 10 guys, some of them, and they're getting paid more

than like the highest paid golfers over here. So the live is paying, and we saw the same thing what they do with the bodybuilding community. I mean, look at the way they're taking care of the pro body. That's where they all go over there now. So it's interesting. It's very smart when you think about if you're trying to,

you know, take a day attention of millions of people. Two, I know. Wait, wait, was that a salary before? 41 million? That was what it was. That's 2022, yeah. He's gonna, 10 times more? 10 times, just like that.

If you decide to do it. Think about this for a second. Look at the golf stuff too. Look at Liv golf contract. But think about this for a second. He could work for three years and be a billionaire and play soccer for three years. That's insane. There's these guys that went over to,

there's a really good documentary on, you know how Netflix did that whole one on F1 racing? They've done it now for tennis and they've done it for golf. It's really cool because you You cannot even be a tennis or golf fan and enjoy they do a really good job of like introducing you to the sport and the And all the players and all the drama and some of that without feeling you're gonna watch a whole 18 holes being played. So okay, so Emirates it like is do buys in Emirates is that a airplane? No, no, no, no, no, that's United United. What is it called? The United Arab Emirates. Yeah, a free airplane? No, no, no, no, no, that's United, United, what is it called?

United Arab Emirates. Yeah, I think you know, buy is the capital, I'm not sure. Right, Emirates, why is it so easy? No, no, no, I'm right. Anyways, so like Saudi Arabia, I'm proud. Exactly what I said. Yeah, so Saudi Arabia, like are they part of the united Emirates?

I don't know. Is it? United Arab Emirates, I think, is its own country. Saudi Arabia is its own country. Okay. To my best of my knowledge. I'm just trying to, because what we do, that was there. It was interesting because it's like, they have all this crazy amount of oil, money,

and money. And they decided to put it all into the entertainment side of it, build these crazy attractions for people to fly in. That's really cool. They're just like, this is the same kind of model they're trying to expand their money. Have you guys heard the stories of how some of these like, like these female social media influencers or like only fans of yours, where we'll get these offers? Yeah.

By some of these light and oil, princess or whatever. Yeah. we'll get these offers by some of these light and oil, princess or whatever. I'll give you $5 million, I'll fly you out, do whatever and then I'll send you back home. And it's like a thing, it's like a big thing. No, so there was a meme I posted years ago. In fact, I think I even put it on my wall. It might be able to still find those girls. Yes, it was a split picture

and the top were all the hot Instagram models on a yacht. And then it was like the other side to get the fat or the old guys that brought them there. And they're like the old, old fat billionaires over there. That's like the for sure. The worst of humanity. I just saw an article on some girl post and something about how she,

some guy paid $10,000 to fly her over just so you could take a selfie with her to post. And then like the next picture, she's posting it out with her boyfriend somewhere else like that. I saw that. Oh, you saw that one. Yeah, because she took her boyfriend to wherever he was.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I just, that's great. What do you think is going through the dude's mind when he's paying $10,000 to take a selfie? Do you think he thinks to himself like maybe the same exact, I think the same thing that goes to Guy's mind who when the stripper goes, do you want to go to the back room for next year $300?

He's thinking he's gonna convince. Yeah, she likes me. Yeah, yeah, she likes me. It's gonna happen. Yeah, I mean, it's gotta be the same thing. I mean, you don't get to have sex with her back there. She just dances on you. There it is right there.

Yeah, that's the one. That's it. Oh, man. Do you think it's that? $10,000 is a picture of this because it might be this. He might have convinced himself. He's like, you know, I'm helping her. She's trying to build a career. What are they called? I mean, it's probably it's probably all relative. Right. So okay, let's put this way. Like 10,000 dollars still sounds like a lot of money to me, but maybe not to him. Maybe he's probably all relative, right? So, okay, let's put this way. Like, $10,000 still sounds like a lot of money to me, but maybe not to him. Maybe he's, you know, the guy's worth hundreds of millions of dollars and $10,000 is like $10.

And would you pay $10 to take a shot at maybe a chance? And like, he looks at the guy, didn't want to get me. I mean, is this the same guy as buying fart jars? Yeah. Listen, first of all, this is a different guy. First of all, I hate to say this, I hate to say this at him, but if he has that much money,

we're $10,000 is $10. Yeah. He's not, he doesn't need to do this to get attention. So the thing, okay, the, so the only, he's gonna get attention from shallow women anyway. If he's got that money. Yeah, okay, there's something to be said about this,

this, this only fans phenomenon that we're going through right now. That, and why I think it's so, one of the reasons why I think it's so successful is it creates this more intimate, real type of relationship. Yeah, you feel like you're actually talking to this. Yeah, to another level. And so I think that's why it attracts and gets people

like this more than just, I use the strip club analogy, but I mean, you're going to a workplace, there's bouncers there, there's, and it's like, you didn't communicate with there, there was no flirting going back, but I mean, you're going to a workplace, there's bouncers there, there's, it's like, you didn't communicate with there, there was no flirting going back, but in this game, I mean, these girls engage with you, they talk to you, they send you smiley faces, they're talking back and forth,

and so you feel like there's a connection there. And then you go pay in his eyes, $10 to go, maybe I get more, you know? The stats are too on that. It's a vast majority of girls that get on there To try to make money because they hear stories like this like this would be easy. I'll just show my boobs or whatever and make money That's majority make almost nothing and they end up It's playing their bodies or whatever 20 roll still. Yeah, it's even worse than that. I don't remember the percent

Yeah, I don't remember with the percentages, but the vast majority make like almost nothing I believe when it comes to girls, there's like someone for everyone. Yeah, but not making it more like that. You think it's worth an 80-20? Well, yeah, well, I mean, I guess if you allocate it in terms of money, maybe. Yeah, certainly.

But I mean in terms of number. This is the weird part though, if you've seen like some, okay, so this is like, it genres of this, right? So there's like the older ladies, like making bank. Like, I'm like, who's going for the silver? of this right so there's like the older ladies like making bank

Who's going for the silver? Bro, I so I mean, how can I say this? I'll give granny trouble on this podcast. I'm okay So there's a there's a a friend of ours that we know that has a nanny name sounds like And I've seen her. She is not attractive to me whatsoever. Would have had no idea that her husband has made an only fan's page of her. And it's like her feet and her nails and stuff like that.

And it's like, he crushes. He makes a bunch of money. And he runs it. Human. And he just takes the photos of those stuff with that and She is not cute at all at all, but she crushes weird God bless majority of only fans creators more than 80% make less than a hundred dollars a month So imagine how sad that is you go on there you do some embarrassing stuff. That's now out in the world

We made 50 bucks a month. It's forever forever Now if you guys were a hot chick when you're younger, would you done it? No, that's such a quick answer No, because it's easy answer for me easy. Yeah, I know anything that let sticks. Yeah, nothing that's gonna be there forever Yeah, I'm always scared. Not like the first hundred episodes in the podcast Condemning like that. Nothing condemning and we have just an amazing no I wouldn't that no way no way I would do that. Uh-huh. No, no, no, no way, not a million years. My family is just your feet. God, that's weird. I know. That would be so weird. Yeah, what if you crushed though? I mean crushed. I mean, no. Crush videos. Huh?

Yeah, that's weird. There's weird stuff like that. What is that? What did you say? You've never heard of that? Crush videos. They have like eggs or they have like little tiny Lego, like. Can they step on them?

They just crush it with their feet or like their Godzilla. So they make it look like they're all huge. Yeah, yeah. And what it, what it, what it's where to go? I mean, come on man, like I watched that show. Here's the thing before all the madness happened. I used to watch this show called taboo in the, they went through like everybody's weird kinks.

And it was very fascinating to me. Yeah, so I got into it. Yeah, what, okay, what if you, what if you didn't have to do much, so like what if it was literally like, I'm trying to sell me right now. What are you going on? Because you were so quick to say no and I wouldn't say no that fast

I'd be like well kind of depends it was like sub-generic I mean how much am I struggling right now like what do I have to do? I have my family was starving Yeah, I'm saying you're so quick to say no my god, yeah I'm going to do some of your wife beaters after you were there

Yeah, exactly What if people got off on your tiny little shorts and wife beaters and that was enough to do? What a tiny little Yeah, wife beaters and that was enough to do? Why they tiny? You're little bikini briefs? You know? Yeah, bikini briefs? Exactly, your bikini briefs and your wife beaters, that's all you had to do.

We'll sell right now. And like you're like all pumped up after your workout shot? That's it. Not enough? Okay, we're running the same time. You know what you guys are doing right now? You're setting up the editing team to put us some fucked up papers. That's what's happening.

Exactly what's happening. I see Andrew in the back last. The sad some fucked up painting. This is what's happening. Exactly what's happening. I see Andrew in the back. The sad part is that Andrew already has a photo of that. This is cool. It's just cool. Should I use the? Yes, I won't use it.

Yeah. That was just for you guys to see. Okay. The hell's wrong with you. You know, I'm not your joke. Would you do a dog? Depends on the circumstance. Yeah, I can't say that.

Exactly. That's a better answer. Yeah. Something. No way. Which is so funny. He's probably the most. Yeah, that's a better answer. That's a better answer. Yeah, that's it. Something no way, which is so funny, he's probably the most likely to do that. Well, no, you won't have, bro. That's a bold statement. He's like, I'll be a subscriber.

I'm not a view. Not a view. That's a bold statement. You almost did, you almost did, but I'm not that bad. No, I did not. All those drinks at a party. Oh, no, you were.

I got, I almost got real did on that one. I was saying, yeah. I could part, dude. I was like, I can bark it. You imagine Santa like real and just like skimmy with the drinks in it. I would drink, please. I think I was just a little bit shirtless. I think I was just a little bit shirtless

with it I was supposed to do other stuff. They kept adding stuff though. Yeah, yeah, they kept adding. I think I got closer to the date. That was exact same thing. I, when I got the, when they were trying to get me to do the gay calendar when I was 20, like 21 or what like that.

A guy like, hey, would you with fillers? when you're like 22 and you're like super impressionable. And I'm like working out and fit. And then I remember this guy, this guy approached me and wanted to know if I wanted to do a modeling. And I'm like, cool. My ego right away like, yeah, come hands up. You see I'm handsome. Yeah, right.

I got what it takes. Yeah, right. And they, and they, they start you off with just like, basically, oh, or weekends okay for you and with beach shots and like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Just a little bit of a little. They get you saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it's like, like, you comfortable

in your shirt off like, yeah, that's cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like, you comfortable with no pants on, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What kind of calendar is this again? You're gonna take a fight. Yeah, yeah. But that's after like an hour of yeses

and hearing all kinds of money you're gonna make and you're like, I could see how they get people to do that. Like, because you at one, I know there was a moment in there where I kept saying yes, yes, yes, and they started going, and then you're wrestling with yourself. Well, I mean, you're a cooler costee. Especially if you're vulnerable, you want validation,

you want people to think you're attractive, you're vulnerable, you want validation, you want people to think you're attractive, you're vulnerable, maybe in a situation where you need money or whatever insecure, you've got these people, and then you get the money for everybody saying, you look good, this is great. And then you end up in these bad situations. And it just so happens that it's usually young people,

because that's what the market wants. So it's the worst. It's the absolute worst. Predatory environment. It's terrible stuff. Anyway, crazyatory. Terrible stuff. Anyway. Crazy stuff. All right. So I'm going to go negative here for a second. Oh, good time. There was an article in the New York Post. You know, I've been calling out how

they're this weird campaign, the slow, weird campaign to demonize fitness and health. Okay. And it's very strange. And it's following the lines of political campaigns. And if you follow politics, you, if you follow politics like it's a sport, you take a step out of it. You don't try and like, you know, want one side to win.

You just look at it from the outside. You start to recognize these patterns and their strategies and how they slowly move towards a narrative. They test it out. They push it. And that's what they're doing with health and fitness. And then you are posted this article.

I'll read the headline and then I'll tell you what the study actually said. It was actually kind of infuriating. Somebody sent it to me and I saw the title and I said, this is interesting. Let me look a little closer. So here's what it says. New research suggests that physical exercise has little mental benefits. Okay. That's the title. Wow. And this is how propaganda works. They often will take a study and they'll twist it a little bit and I'll explain that in a second. And then they make the title something and they know that the average person isn't gonna read any deeper, dive any deeper,

they're just gonna read the title and they're just gonna share it. And if you see enough of this, you start to believe- They plant all the seeds. You start to believe this narrative. So here's what the study shows. The studies show that if you are unfit, unhealthy, and you exercise, you get a profound mental benefit, which we've all known.

When you compare healthy people to healthy people, adding more exercise doesn't improve mental health. No shit. You know, here's a thing with with exercise. It's like vitamin C. It's like vitamins. When you lack a nutrient, you take that nutrient, you get profound benefits. If you don't lack that nutrient, taking more vitamin C or vitamin D or zinc

isn't gonna do anything for you. It's like saying somebody who's broke, who now gets to make a quarter million dollars a year, if it wouldn't change their life. Someone has zero dollars a year and you give them a quarter million dollars versus giving somebody who's already worth tens of millions of dollars next to a quarter million dollars a year,

how much it changes their life. Right, no shit, it didn't change that guy's life. Right, so the mental health benefits, which by the way are widely recognized, the mental health and cognitive benefits of exercise are there because not necessarily because exercise is this mental health booster, but rather lack of exercise destroys mental health and cognitive function. Yeah. So, when you add it to somebody who's sedative,

unhealthy, like most people, they get this profound benefit. If you take somebody's already healthy, relatively active, you add exercise, you're not gonna see this huge profound benefit. That's how it works. And what they did in the study is they used that group and said, I see, there's no cognitive benefits.

I just saw another one. Because they're healthy already. Since you went on this direction, I just saw another one that was on, maybe Doug can pull up Dr. Ruscio's Instagram. I think it is Dr. Ruscio, I think it's his Instagram handle. He had just posted one on some terrible article talking about that probiotics are a waste of money.

Or something. Did you see that one? I didn't. Yeah, that one had just, I mean, I think it's relatively new because he just posted it like two days ago and I had seen it. Did you see it, Doug? I see it. Yeah. So it's Dr. Ruchio DC and it was...

Read the title. Read the title. Yeah. Probiotic supplements may do the opposite of boosting your gut health. Yeah. Yeah. And then what's the... Read the take. Yeah, probiotics supplements may do the opposite of boosting your gut health. Yeah. Yeah. And then what's the art? Read the take on it.

His comment is his thing on it without us having to read the whole article. So he says, cherry picking. My assumption is that the reason this old study is being resurfaced is another news piece is because it's performed well. This is why it's important not to get your health care information from the news click bait

Interesting, so that's an old study. Yeah, that's resurfaced right now. I weird. I am saying this I'm telling you right now. I don't understand I can I can only speculate I can only speculate why health and fitness Is slowly becoming there's there's this propaganda machine that is now demonizing it and it's starting to happen more and more and I'm going to keep calling it out so that when you see it you can remember that you think you're sick you're in a state of fear that's my speculating you're in control my speculation is sick do you think it's more demonizing and that or do you think it's more that you're they're just trying to cater to those that want to hear that message anyways I think that's the that's the hook that's the hook they know that that's that's anyways. I think that's the hook. That's the hook that you use to mean. They know that that's an in, but that's my speculation.

Obviously, I don't know, but my speculation is that sick unhealthy people are easier manipulate, manipulate, they'll buy more of your shit. They're, it's easy for you to scare them into voting in particular way. And pharmaceutical industry makes a lot of money. So sick unhealthy people, their healthcare is expensive. Fit healthy people, they don't cost much.

Yeah. So I don't know if I subscribe to it being that insidious. I think maybe it is just, how do you explain the strangers of these artichairs? Because they get together. They're like some shares, that's why. And they're in the business of eyeballs and making money and appetizing.

There's a lot of ways to go to get the links. Yeah, but that's all, it's obviously a proven way. And that's why I think we're seeing more and more of it because I think more and more publications are going, oh wow, when we do this alarm, like, when we put a obese girl in the cover and say she's healthy, boy do we fucking get some attention. When we say probiotics are bad for you, or they, oh boy do we get some attention. When we say probiotics are bad for you, they, oh boy do we get some attention.

When we say that working out is right, boy are we getting some, so I think it's, that's what I think. That's some of it. That's my less 10 foil hat version of what we're talking about. I would agree that that's some of it, but I think some of it is too strange to me. It's too fricking, it's too across the board. Weird. Yeah, and it's like, it's being

coordinated. I've never in my life read articles demonizing, like taking care of your health. There used to be government movements to bring awareness to the benefits of exercise and better nutrition. And it's been completely attacked, you know, instead now. It's all we're seeing is like all these articles and things like picking apart uh... environments where people are trying to better themselves yeah i don't know i'm speculating you're right yeah i mean i just think it's a brilliant strategy on their part it really is it's just like you you get

because what it does is because it's the opposite of what people know right it's the opposite it's like i mean this wouldn't work twenty years ago when no one gave a shit or a paying attention. There wouldn't be enough people like us to get outraged about it. Maybe, yeah. And because there's enough people like us to get outraged, now you have all these micro networks and influencers that are like, remember when that article came out with that girl in the front cover of it

and titled it Healthy and She Was O'Beast, do you know, I mean, when you went through your feed of all of our fitness friends, did you find one that didn't talk about it? Everybody did, yeah. I mean, literally. So, I mean, and that's what they're, and let's be honest, the, you know, basic old, you know, cosmos and women's health, those they're dying.

And so they're desperate. And so they're looking for any way that they can create attention and eyeballs. And if that means saying, outland is stupid shit, that's gonna get us all talking about. It's entertainment. I mean, there's no news anymore. And the reason why I think it feels coordinated is because it's working for so many other publications.

They're all copied each other. Now, here's, look, I would tend to agree with that. And then you look at something like ESG, which is literally, well, that's crazy, what's your background? Well, listen, it demonizes companies and it benefits other companies. And it's through this kind of like social movement that they determine which you know very strange by the way like Chevron ranked higher

ESG stands for what environmental social and I don't remember can you maybe look up ESG stands for it's like three things or whatever and It's very strange and it's. And it's going to have profound implications on the governance and governance. So basically you get ranked on whether or not you're doing social justice, you're doing this or that. And it's going to punish other companies for not doing those things, giving government the much more power over the market. This has already been happening for, I mean, I brought this up on the podcast well over a year or two ago. Scary shit.

And it's already started steering VC money. So in Silicon Valley, like if you didn't have these high score, like you're getting these companies that are getting money because they're, they score so much higher than another company, even though someone might have a better idea. So it's already happening on the ground. And it sounds like a great idea. But what it does is it gives government the ability to manipulate. Yes.

Yes. And again, Tesla, electric car company ranked lower than Chevron, which is an oil company, which is very, very strange. Yeah. Make zero cents, what's whatever. By the way, a bipartisan bill, okay, Democrats and Republicans sent a bill to stop ESG, got on Biden's desk, he vetoed it.

So when shit like this happens, and then I see all these articles at him, I'm like, I don't know, bro. It's weird. It's tough for me to trust a lot of what's out there these days. Speaking of which, I know Doug right there is like, please move on. I'm gonna say here for a second.

I will say this, again, if you take a step back and you look at politics like it's a sport, the Democrats are playing a brilliant game right now. Oh, I'm glad you stayed in the position. I actually wanted to talk about this because somebody, when I do my questions, asked me about the whole Trump indictment, so like that, and I said, well, I said, this is Sal's theory,

and I said, I tend not to argue with him when it comes to that stuff. It'd probably be, I came arguing with me about sports. I said, so he's probably more likely right than me giving you an answer. And what I said was what I've heard you say already, which is that you think this whole thing with Trump being indicted and everything like that,

is actually a plan for the Democrats to help him actually run. Yeah. Yeah. So it sounds crazy. The average person will go like, huh? No, so this is an old political strategy where you, you try to pick your opponent and you try to pick the opponent that you're more likely to win.

Now, you got to take a step back because this is also a risky game. It could also backfire. Sure. So you think yourself, why would the Democrats want this to happen? They're in a bad position. So the crazy COVID policies are largely blamed on them. Economy, although it's not entirely a fault, as a bipartisan shenanigans, largely still blamed on the Democrats. Biden is incapable of winning.

He is clearly in dementia. They know it. They know they're screwed with that. He doesn't have the worst approval rating in history too. Yeah. Yeah. And you just you put them on stage and have them talk. And it's just it's going to be a complete nightmare. Inflation, largely getting blamed on the Democrats. I'm not saying it's their fault. This is total. Both parties are. No, they're just they're caught holding the back. Yeah. Right. So they're so they're in this really bad position and we have this election coming up and so they're doing what's, they're throwing what's called like a Hail Mary, right in sports where you

just throw the ball, you just crazy play because it's like your only chance. You hope for the best. And so they know they feel like they have the playbook on beating Trump. But Trump was like, if you look at his rankings in the Republican party, it wasn't very good. He was like a pariah there for a second. So I feel like what they're doing right now is they're resurrecting. And sure enough, all this attention on him

has made him the leader among the Republicans. So, because he has a base. He's been over dissentist right now. Over everybody. But dissentist isn't even in the conversation anymore. Because he's got, he has such a crazy base. He will win 40% of the vote no matter what. But that's not enough to win.

But they also know just his name immediately will deter people away from voting. Right, so he'll win the primary. They want him to win the primary because they know he'll lose the general. And they did this in the midterms. In the midterms it was supposed to be this red wave and they supported pro-magga Republicans

in their primaries knowing they would beat them and sure enough it worked. It stopped this with supposed to be this, all the polls were showing. I like your answer to this. If the Sanctus was to take on Tulsi Gabbard and do like a bipartisan kind of push to get people to build bridges back to some reasonable, logical... That's what should happen. I would love to see the best for America, but nobody wants to do that.

Yeah, okay. So explain to me, then, why, to me, that seems like such an obvious brilliant strategy. Yeah. Yeah. Like in a time when we are the most divided ever and everybody, I don't care if you're left or right, is pulling to be more in the center, right? That's what's happening. Traditionally, this is what happens.

When we go extreme left, we go extreme right. It doesn't matter. Typically, most people would consider themselves moderate and they want to come somewhat in the center. So after the most polarizing last four years, we've ever had in our lifetime, why would somebody not partner up with the opposite side and make a run? Why do we still continue to play this Pepsi Coke game? Okay, I'll let me comment on that in just a second. So I want to go back and explain a couple things with the Trump thing. People like, well, why would they indict him? How is that going to get him to win the primary? He gets lots of attention. He's going to a lot of support

now. He looks like the underdog. The the charges are so flimsy. It's not going to stick. He's not going to go to jail. Now I could be wrong. He could go to jail highly unlikely. If he goes to jail him wrong, if he doesn't go to jail, I'm right. I think that's what's going to happen. All right. Why don't they do that? Because that would destroy their ability to divide people. That if you combine forces and unified, well now people are gonna be more like, well, what are the issues? What's actually happening?

What are the results? Like, what's going on here? If they keep everybody separate, this two parties, because if you've ever seen a third party try to jump in, they both work together. They're not on him. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They want to get him out.

So that would be like the worst thing ever. They would get no money, they would get no support. They would get, remember Tulsi Gabbard when she was running for the primaries, how she started to climb, and she was very like balanced and logical. And she got destroyed by her own party. Did she was called a Russian spy?

Yeah, she's spived, though she's like, a veteran served our country like, heroically, she's spying. Yeah, she's spying. Even though she's like a veteran. A veteran. A veteran served, yeah, our country, like, heroically, it's like ridiculous. But this is, this is, in my opinion, this is the Democrats only chance because they're in a bad position. So they're like, get Trump up there. And in the general, you know, election, his ego is going to get him screwed, which is what I know. This is why you should have to pass a test of vote, bro.

I know. I know. You don't like that because he's like, oh, it's like, who makes the test of this? It's long as it's a very fine person. It's long as we allow the majority of people, which let's be honest, are not very capable, okay? To vote, this is what's gonna happen. They're easily manipulated.

If you don't have, we don't have some sort of baseline of like, hey, if you don't do this, produce that, pass this, or something, in order to vote, like I feel like they're always gonna have a majority of people that really have no business voting because they're not even educated enough on the situation. Well, okay, so this is the founders knew this,

that's why we're not a pure democracy. So pure democracy, majority rules were a constitutional republic. They knew this and so they put in rights that cannot be voted away by a simple majority vote. There's like a really complex process, but nothing's perfect, dude. You're right, the majority of people,

I mean, Rome proved this. It's like keep everybody distracted. Bread and circuses, what do they call it? Keep them distracted. Well, I mean, that's what people... Give up free stuff. How is the NBA and NFL any different? Oh, it's the same. In the Coliseum. Yeah, I mean, that's what I mean, free stuff. How is the NBA and NFL any different? The Coliseum? Yeah. Same playbook. I mean, and to me, that was highlighted more than

ever in the last four years when you saw how much politics bled into sports. Look, look how much civil unrest we had when they took sports out. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They didn't have an outlet. Riot's everywhere. Yeah. That's totally true. But I mean, look, when they spend, they are masters, if you look at the political system, you're looking at a presidential campaign is billions of dollars alone, and that's not even looking at the other money that nobody accounts for. They're masters, masters at getting people to feel and think a particular way. Way smarter than anybody who votes. So if you think this is like,

oh, I know what's going on. And probably not, you know, they're really, really good at what they do. It's like processed foods. Process foods are engineered so well, you think you're going to eat them and not crave more food. Like you're not smarter than the scientists that created that food.

These political parties and people that fund them, they're so good at what they do. They'll run circles around. This is not my wheelhouse. So it's like, I don't know, I get criticized as I talk about so this way. It just doesn't make sense. And I try and think of it like running a company.

And I can't imagine having a company of like thousands of people and we, I allowed the, and let's say on the founder of the CEO of this company, and I allowed my, you know, 900 of my employees to have a vote and just decide on which way we steer this coming. Then not knowing the PNLs, then not knowing the challenges and difficulties of creating, developing, hiring, nothing. All they know is they're one little position that they do involved in it yet, they get a say and where we go left or right.

Like that's just weird to me. One is bad, one is worse. If you ran the government, the government, that's probably a good way to say it. Yeah, so it's not perfect, it's not great, but it's better than the other. I mean, if we had a fictional like angel leader like the heaven movies, which don't exist,

like this guy that's like super good, I'll lead the country, you know, just, it's it. I got full. I'm in the antichrist. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's why I think the best answer is just get get where I think,

I think most people agree. I know there's some people that are out like, is small government. Yeah. Is smaller is better. Is less local. Less. Yes.

Because local you have way more influence. Like ask people how they feel about their fire department versus how they may feel about like a big federal system. Right. Like you have more influence over smaller local government than you would much larger big behemoths that, you know, like that's essentially run and trying to run the whole country and then you get a lot of problems. Yeah, what was the name of the book?

I haven't talked about this book in a long time. It's a good reference. I know we're getting ready to do a shout out. And I'm going to do this book in an addition to a person if we want to. Peter Schiff's book and it's called, how economies grow and why they die. And why they die. That's a good one. Such a good read for someone who's like, even not even really like Katrina loved that book

because the way it's down. Yeah, he tells it in a very simplistic story as if we were on an island. That's a good read for someone who's like even not even really like Katrina love that book because It really breaks it down. Yeah, he tells it in a very simplistic story as if we were on an island and we had to literally build an economy From nothing and where fish was the only commodity and that that was for survival and you know We were there was I can't remember how many people he put on this fictitious island and like how would something like that grow into something and then and then the challenges That you would have as a society, as a group, and it's really easy when you look at it in my opinion in that small of a level because where it gets difficult is when it gets so big. It's so complicated. It gets complicated.

And it's like, oh yeah, what will we do about that? It's like, yeah, then these people are going to get hurt from that and these people and everybody wants everyone to be, it's like, but when you see it in a group of a hundred and it's like, hey, we have to make, we have to build a society from here, you know, and it has to be successful. We have to have past this on the generations and we got all eat, we all got to, like, what does that look like? And, you know, and hard decisions have to be made and sacrifices have to be made in that

in order for it to work. And so it really simplifies a very complex thing like understanding. Yeah. The economy. What's up? Oh, but here's something that's interesting. So Arnold Schwarzenegger has a podcast. Yeah.

And it is not him. Yeah. It is AI. It's his voice, AI. It's T1000. It's a robot. It's an AI simulator. It's a simulator.

No. No. Bro, it's, this is, okay, we are now entering into an age where consumers are going to have to pick organic, you know, I'm going to use it. Organic content or non-organic content. Should we start that trend? Yes. How hard is it to be to put like a little on our logo?

Organic on it? Organic conversations. Organic conversations. Or just real humans. Yeah. Let's start an acronym. Let's start an acronym that stands for like real organic humans. Yeah.

They're like, how do you know it's real? Yeah. R.O.R.O. Artificial R.O.A. Put like a little asterisk right next to our logo. It says, real organic humans. Yeah. It's a podcast and it's a freaking video.

You should die. You know, it's embarrassing. It's outperforming us right now. Yeah. Dude. It's brand new. it's a freaking. You should die. You know it's embarrassing. It's outperforming us right now. Yeah. Dude. It's brand new. I do brand new. It's kind of name on it.

That sounds amazing. How do you know it's real human? I mean, for like, kind of, that's true. It's brand new. It's brand new. So you get ranked different when you're brand new. I remember Nike was kicking our ass for like the first week. He was kind of as big there.

There were no one sees them no more either. Yeah. Dude, how weird is that though? Like, our celebrity is going to start putting out their voice, because I guess you can license your voice, does that help work? Yeah, I mean, like I told you before, will I am the guy from Black Eyed Peas?

He literally digital copied himself and scanned himself, all his mannerisms, how he talks, he went through the whole weird library of words and was just like, we're signing it all. So that way he could just, there he is.

So the digital world, you guys are going to listen to the most recent all-in podcast where they have a really good conversation around the future of AI. And I always like when those guys disagree, right? And you all bring, and you all really appreciate stuff because I know you're really enjoying freebergs, the, David freeberg, the science nerd guy, his perspective and you align a lot with him economically. And he's talking about, you know, they'd go over this person who his job was replaced overnight by AI. And, you know, they're like, oh, you know, we're going to have all these jobs

us. And freeberg's always like the voice of reason when it comes to free market. And like, no, that's what everybody always thinks. And then it ends up innovating with just more productive. But then, Shamaath Kim and said, I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I don't also agree with you either because we have never seen anything like this ever. And I know that's what everyone said

about the printing press and we said, but this is the first time ever and he made it this point that I didn't think about. I thought was really interesting. Never have we had something that is a completely closed loop, meaning that all the innovations from the plow to the tractor, to the printing press,

to the computer, so that still needs an input from a human. We are now generating things that is completely closed loop that does not require our ability at all whatsoever to print, just generating the power to usher it. That's right. He was talking about, and they used the example of what's the people that research is an oncologist, who does the cancer research? Uncologist? Well, they're just cancer doctors.

Cancer doctors, right? So, that we now have an AI tool that can like predicted accurately by point something, zero point something percent, which is better than any human could possibly do. And so what are they, what are they going to be necessary for? So I thought that was a really interesting perspective that I hadn't thought about you because my initial reaction is probably similar to what yours is, which is, oh yeah, okay, inevitably a few people will lose their jobs. And if you're slow to adopt it, you could be your job. But it's going to, it's only going to get us more productive, faster, just like the computer, just like the cloud.

And then we'll just get more jobs, more innovation, more time. Usually what happens, but usually, innovators are going AI. Exactly. So that is the part that Chimoth is like, I don't think you're seeing this all the way through, that this is something so different. It's the first time technology will be creative and can create. So then we're no longer the innovators. That's the issue.

Now, the promise is, we'll never have to work again. So it's like, oh, this is a future where AI does everything for us. That sounds utopia. It is not utopia, but you get a bunch, imagine right now, everyone. No, the people who don't like exercise, don't think that hard work is good, those people, which is a majority, are miserable. Think of the average public right now.

Now nobody works and everybody has free money. Is that good or bad? For some people, it'll be good. I'm sure, for a lot of people, it'll be so great. It'll be so boring. Well, look what happens when people retire. Oftentimes depression goes through the roof, and all kinds of health issues go up.

You remember when I shared on the podcast, this is like a long time ago, too, it's like four years ago when we were here, and I told you that phone call when I called Katrina, I was all pissed off or frustrated with you guys when I was driving home. Remember that? It was like actually one of the most profound moments. He sounded like the way he brings it up, too. Right the time I was real mad at you guys when I was driving home. Remember that? It was like actually one of the most profound moments.

He's telling me he brings it up too. Yeah, right. The time I was real mad at you. I mean, that was the truth. My wife called me down. Yeah, it's probably Sal, though. It's probably just pissed and Sal. I should look at everybody.

I was trying to be nice and bring you to everything. I know you were. I remember the original phrase. Oh, you do. Sal's like, I remember the fucking day, actually. No, but I mean, that was such a profound moment for. Oh, you do. Sounds like I remember the fucking day actually. No, but I mean, that was such a profound moment for me when, you know, because I was in the moment, right? I, we just walked out and I'm like, errrrr.

Well, all mad, she had just called me and I'm venting towards stuff like that. And she had this long pause. And, you know, I was like, hello, you're still there. And she's like, yeah, are you done? And I'm like, yeah, I'm done. You know, and I'm like, what do you think? And she's like, would you want it any other way? And I'm like, it, I'm done. You know, and John, I'm like, what do you think? And she's like, would you want it any other way?

And I'm like, it really stopped me in my tracks and you're like, fuck, you're right. Yeah. How was she? She's your oracle. Yeah, she is my oracle for sure. You imagine Adam without Katrina. Oh my God, I don't want you.

Shut up, you don't. I knew. That's what you do. That's what you start. You're right. That's a lot of fun. You're all mine. Let's be honest. Let's be honest, that's a lot of fun. Less productive. Yeah. That's why you said that. That's why I'm fucked. You're more honest.

Let's be honest, that's a lot of fun. Less productive. We're way further. Yeah, we are. We're, we are a lot better. Dude, there was an article that was just written. There's an expert trying to read who the person who wrote this was. But, oh, it was an AI researcher's name is Dan Hendrix.

He argued in a new paper, natural selection favors AI's over humans. And he basically said, this is his quote, we argue that natural selection creates incentives for AI agents to act against human interests. So there's two observations. Firstly, natural selection may be a dominant force in AI development. Secondly, evolution by natural selection

tends to give rise to selfish behavior. So imagine AIs competing with each other and one of them is doing things by the book. The other one is like, I'm going to like do things and not get caught. So I can win. And the other one says, well, I'm going to do things this way. And eventually these things could evolve to become these really selfish terminator like machines. And so he wrote this paper. And he's like, Hey, guys, these things may evolve to be pretty messed up. It is a little scary that people like Elon Musk who obviously was pro.

Yeah, he's more than the most people, right? Yeah, is signing the petition for us to pump the brakes on all this stuff like that. That does make me a little nervous. Oh, and Bill Gates is totally against the signing it. Weird. No. He's my favorite. The guy with all the farmland, right? Oh, and Bill Gates is totally like against the signing it. Yeah, weird. Yeah. Yeah. He's my favorite.

The guy with all the farmland, right? Yeah, it's making all the best decisions. They get Bill Lennady. Fortress and Castle out in the middle of nowhere. Yeah, I was buying so much farm. Oh, God. So who's the shout out today, is it? Yeah, I mean, I know we did the Peter Schiff book,

but I mean, we could also give, because Brett Contreras was on the list. I don't think we've give a formal shout out to, and I just, good trainer. Great trainer. Great trainer, great coach. I mean, God, the inventor of the hip thrust, right? I mean, this way says.

Yeah. I think it was, but he popularized it for sure. He definitely put it on. He put it on father of it, if any. Yes. He put it into programming, and he really got people to pay attention to. And, you know, I love talking to him because you can tell,

I mean, we always try and highlight these type of people. There's a difference between just having a PhD and being really smart and then having that and then also having trained hundreds or thousands of people. And you can tell by the way they talk and they answer things. It's always nuanced. It's never this, like this this study says this therefore that it's like, you know, well, this may indicate this and this is what we think we might know now and like, you know, this might work

good for these people and like the way he communicates and nuance yet he's got this PhDs, he's brilliant. So he's your great follow and he is the ass man. So if you're a chick who's trying to build an ass his content is for guy. Yeah, I don't now. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Check this out. Organify is a company that makes organic plant-based supplements to improve health, performance to help accelerate muscle building and fat loss. They have super food blends for energy, relaxation, immunity, and more. Great company. We love working with them. In fact, we just helped them create a new pre-workout type supplement. It's pretty amazing. You got to check this company out. We've been working with them for a long time

because they have some of the best supplements on the market. Go to organifi.com, forward slash mind pump, use the code Mind Pump and get 20% off. All right, here comes the rest of the show. Our first caller is Rachel from Massachusetts. Hi, Rachel. How can we help you? How are you? I'm doing good. Thanks for having me. Thanks for coming on. My question is basically, why can I not put on a lot of muscles? I just feel like I'm just very much even killed no matter what I do. So just a little background on me about two years ago, I was a seven day a week cross-bitter. I would say probably under-eating at

that point, overtraining, running 20-something miles a week, not prioritizing sleep, none of the good stuff that you guys promote all the time. I ended up starting to work with a nutritionist, started reverse dieting, lost a ton of weight, slimmed out, with berries are lean, you could see every muscle, but totally kind of burning myself a little bit with the training. So, I'm fast forward about a year later. I've now been kind of living at maintenance for a while. I've done too many cuts.

Didn't really see that much progress from that. Not as much as I thought I would, for how I felt when I was in the cut. I felt like I was starving to death. And now I'm back up to meet and begin and now kind of shifting where I want to try to really put on muscle. And I just don't feel like I'm, I don't know, I'm like, am I ever going to be able to put on muscle? I just feel like I'm not. And I feel like I'm doing everything that you guys help me to do. The only two things that I can think of is one that I'm probably still doing too much. And to maybe I need to eat more, I don't know.

Yeah, I think you're, I, yeah, I think you're right. If I read this correctly, you're following our aesthetic program now too, which is what typically people that are over-training. And doing CrossFit two days a week. Oh, oh shit. And you're doing CrossFit two? Oh, yeah. So I do CrossFit two days a week and then the other, I know, other four days I do a full body aesthetic to cut your program

but it's another. Yeah. Yeah, too much. Yeah, too much. Yeah, too much. Okay, so let's start here first. Your intuition is 100% correct. I'm going to assume you are a high achiever in many things in life.

You probably bulldoze your... Yeah, okay, so this is just your, this is the gear that you tend to run in. So it's gonna be hard for you to identify. But look, when you were doing, before, when you were burning yourself out versus now, have you gained muscle since then? Yes.

Okay, you're gonna gain a lot more muscle if you do what we're about to tell you. So you've already made one step in the right directions. Right. You just haven't made enough steps in the right direction. So how important is the two days that we could crossfit to you versus building muscle? Tell me which one's more important to you.

Hi, building muscle. Okay, stop crossfit completely, eliminate it. I'm gonna put you on maps and a ball lick and I want you to bump your calories by about two to three hundred calories a day and you will see strength and muscle gains. You will for sure. Okay, I won't get that. No, I would, so the, I would, I would probably slow the calories because you're going to,

you're about to reduce a significant amount of activity. So I wouldn't quite bump 300. I'd say a hundred to 200 calories. But I mean, the goal would be to do 300, 400 even, right? Yeah, that's fine. I would just slowly, so eat what you're eating. So what I would do is right away transition into the training like we're saying, and then like maybe the next week or two, add 100 calories a day, see how your body responds, then add another 100 calories a day.

Both are right. I mean, both are fine. Here's why I said what I said, because I think your body's thirsty for calories, nutrients, and I think your body's gonna, what I think's to happen is you'll switch to a MAPS endabolic quick crossfit, bump your calories, and you're just going to get stronger. You're just going to boom, build some muscle. You could do what Adam said too if you're afraid of gaining body fat.

There's nothing wrong with that. You'll still gain muscle and get stronger, and you could do it that way as well. They're both, I think, totally fine. In fact, based off of what you just said, you're fear of gaining body fat, I think I'll sit with Adam. Why don't you just keep your calories where they're at, cut the crossfit, do maps in a ball, and then the following week or two, bump your calories a little bit. But you will build muscle doing that. Have you ever actually done a D-load week? Sorry, I'm sorry.

Have you ever done a D-load week before? With training? Yes. Yes. You have. Have you ever done a D-load week before? With training? Yes. Yes. You have? I have a hard time with it, because I don't want to do it. Right.

But I do do it. How did you feel the next week after you're done? I'm still doing the CrossFit 2, which is... That's not a D-load week. It's like I'm doing two separate things at the same time. So, like, yes, I'm doing the D- reads, but then in that week, I'm still going those two days to cross, but which is clearly not D low. Your intuition was right from the very jump.

I mean, you and Sal hit it just right. You saw already some positive return on cutting back from what you were doing with the extreme dieting in seven days a week crossfit or whatever it was. And now, if you need to take the next step, which is you need to reduce even more and increase more calories. And the only reason it's actually right with a 300 calorie thing, the reason why I'm suggesting that is because I heard what you said. Yeah, he's right. Because you're concerned about that. And I know, and you're going to, if you add 300 calories, you're gonna add carbs, you're gonna add water, you're gonna have,

so you're gonna get a little bit of weight and that psychologically tends to fuck somebody who you switched them like that. And so I would wanna ease you in psychologically that it were okay. You're not, this is not body fat we're putting on. It's a little bit of water you've got in there right now. We're gonna be building muscle.

I don't care about the scale right now. I care about how you feel and I care about your strength. Like that's where I want and your calories, right? My goal for you, if you're a client of mine, is, and I don't give a shit about the scale right now, I care about you getting stronger, you feeling good in there and us able to get our calories up. And if I'm able to do those three things,

I'm moving the needle in the right direction. And then it's just about being consistent with heading in that direction. Rachel, how long have you been listening to our show? Not that long. My nutrition has actually turned me on to you guys. So maybe six months. Six months.

But I was already kind of, my nutritionist, I listened to everything she tells me and she got me following all these great people on Instagram and so I'm totally at a much better place than I was two years ago. Okay. How much do you trust your nutritionist on a scale of one to 10?

10? Okay. This is what I'm gonna ask you to do. Do what we say. She trusts us. You trust her. I'm saying this because this is gonna be hard for you. Do exactly what we say. Count against the feelings you're going to have, where

you're going to want to jump out of your chair, you're going to pull your hair out. I got to do more. I got to do more. Just do what we say. And then once the results start to hit, it'll get a lot easier. So I'm going to send you maps and a ball. Go ahead and do the three day a week version. Do the trigger sessions on the off days. Keep your calories the same. Cut the cross, and just trust the process. You're gonna want to, like I said, you're gonna want to jump out of your chair because it's gonna be so much less than what you're used to. You're probably used to burning yourself out.

Just do it and watch what happens. Your strength is gonna go through the roof and you're gonna see muscle gains is what's gonna happen. And if you get... I just found the calories. So I have like really high protein, I'm almost at 170 grams. Is that appropriate? Are you think about that?

That's fine. Yeah, that's great. I mean, unless you're having digestive issues, but it sounds like you're working with someone who's helping you with that. Yeah, keep it there. Yeah, yeah, you're fine. You're fine on that.

If you get restless and it's really starting to become a go-for walk, yeah. Go walk. I always sit all day, but I have a walking time, so I walk like my desk lifts and I walk on the treadmill for a day during the day. Awesome. Because that was that I that was fairly new in the last three months because I was like I listened to your pot. One of them that said people that go to the gym for one hour a day think that they're really active but they're actually set in

Paris and you ask them and they would tell you, but these are not. So I got the walking pad. So of course, the advice we give to the sedentary people who pay to work out actually triggers the fitness fanatic. Every time the wrong person, I would have heard the same thing. But that's good though. Walking's good for you. So I'm super pro that. And if you find yourself, because we're reducing you down

to only three days of like real strength training and you get restless, go for a walk or go to yoga. Do some recoupative stuff for your body. So you're saying that I should only lift three days? That's it. Maps and a bulk. Maps and a bulk is only a three day week core lifting. Now That is. That's it. That's it. That's it.

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You can still go to those areas, but you choose to do things. Sometimes it's an hour walk on the treadmill. Sometimes it's 45 minutes of mobility and stretching. So just learn to do other healthy things for you than pounding the weights. Pounding the weights is good for us, but you don't need more than three days a week

of some hard stretcher. Especially from where you're at, because it all depends on who I'm talking to. So I tell you what, give this five weeks, come back, and I guarantee you your mind will be blown. And that doesn't mean, by the way, that doesn't mean we can't get to a place where you have these phases that you do get

to train five, six days a week. But where you're at now? But when you're telling me that, hey, I'm stuck in a plateau, this is how I feel this where I'm at, I'm telling you, your intuition is right. You need to keep going in that direction. We need more calories.

We need to bring down the intensity a little bit. Then as your body starts to recover, you start to build more muscle, the metabolism is higher, now you're eating more calories. You literally have to change the change. That's simple. And then we have all these other programs that you could cycle in and out, some of them are five days, some of them are three days or so, but this is the right one for you right now.

Okay. Alright. I want you to keep us posted too. Please circle back with now. Okay. All right. All right. I want you to keep us posted too. Please circle back with us. Okay. Email back in in another 30, 60 days. Let's put it in the forum. I'm gonna put you in the forum too, Rachel.

Because I want to hear back from you. Yes. Please. All right. Sounds good. All right, Jill. I appreciate your help. Thank you.

You know what I love is that the people have the intuition. Yeah. Like, am I doing too much? Don't the people have the intuition. Yeah. Like, am I doing too much? Don't listen to it. No, no, no. No, I mean, honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if half the people that call into us. I mean, if you've been listening for just one, they just want to say, they want to hear it.

They want to be confirmed. Come on, bro. Think about yourself, I'll think about myself nine to ten times the things I really need to do. I know. You know, I just don't want to. Or is it like, but I'm the exception. Yeah, maybe it's different for me, you know. Happy.

She's gonna like, she's gonna build so much strength and muffle. She's gonna see great results. I wish she was like, this is the kind of client. It's a tough cookie though, you know. It's a tough client to convince. Well, the psychological part, right? Which is the only reason why I argued with,

not argue with you, but the only reason why I chose you. No, I know where you went. You were right. You were right. You were right that you want to get her calories up psychological part, right? Which is the only reason why I argued with, not arguing with you, but the only reason why I chose- No, I know where you went. Because you were right. You were right that you want to get her calories up, and I would bump 300 right away personally, but I also know that- If I was able to train her every week-

Part of me in her ear, I would have didn't know. I don't want to counter what you guys are saying, because it's totally on point, but like, you know, part of what we talk about, you're a fucker. Yeah, and it's through. Part of what we talk about was like fasting, you know, it's like what you learn from that. You're gonna, you're actually gonna be fine and also, too, it helps you to look from

an outside perspective of what your patterns are. And that was my point with the D-load. It's like, sometimes you just gotta cut it all out and really assess, like, what did this do the next week to me? She hasn't even gone through that yet. I mean, brilliantly said, 100%. Very, very true. Our next caller is Michael from Arizona.

What's happening, Michael? Hey, guys, just start off with the obligatory. Thank you. I've been listening to you guys for about a year now. I really love your content. I listen to it all every day. It's awesome. So thank you guys for that. Awesome. Oh, So my question is, so a little bit background. I'm 19 years old. I'm from Arizona,

really at college in Utah right now. And away about 190. Actually, in December, I was running Maps Power Lift for a meet-in. Caduary. The Overwinner break ended up getting really sick and lost like 25 pounds. So that's gonna end up happening. So since then, I've regained the weight and the strength and stuff. I'm pretty much back to where I was before I got sick. But I have someone else coming up. So starting in May, I'm serving a mission

for my church for two years in Argentina. And so while I'm there, I will probably be walking, I'd say like 15 miles a day, I'll be walking everywhere. I won't have a lot of control over my nutrition. Like we will get fed by like the people who are serving or teaching and stuff like that a lot. And even then we have like a small budget for food every week and stuff.

So I won't be able to buy like, I don't like protein and product that. I don't know. They do eat a lot of beef down there though, so that'll be good. But yeah, and then so every morning we'll get about 30 minutes, 30 to 45 minutes of exercise time. And so I've worked really hard to get to a point where I am today, and I know that with that, like the circumstances I'm going to be in, there's no way I'm going to stay the size of the am right now. I've come in terms of that, but I wanted to know what was something you recommended that I could do with like basically zero equipment. Like I won't have anything,

I'll be moving probably every couple of months. And so I won't be able to take a whole lot with me, so I was thinking about taking some resistance band or something like that, but basically I was just wondering like, with that 30 minutes, what's something I can do to minimize the loss of, like, that lean body mass I've worked for? I know it's not going to all stay, and I know I'm definitely going to be smaller when I

get back, but I was just wondering if you guys had other recommendations of things I could do to keep that on or, like, mitigate the loss of it. You would be surprised at how effective a daily workout can be. Would you be able to carry around a suspension trainer? It's like not a lot. Resistance bands too, I think is a great call. I might be able to, yeah. Okay, I'll send, I'm gonna send you Maps 15.

Maps 15 uses suspension trainers every day workout. I think that'll be perfect for you. We can also send you maps anywhere where you can use bands. And I think those two programs will give you enough, because you said you're gonna be gone for two years. Yeah, two years. Yeah, those two programs will give you enough, because you said you're going to be gone for two years. Yeah, two years. Yeah, those two programs will give you enough variety throughout that two year period where you're not going to need any equipment, except for the bands and the suspension trainer to do what you need to do.

For sure. Sweet. Yeah. Can we, can we, can we, can we, can we, can we, can we, can we, can we, can we, can we, we kind of have something perfect? Yeah, we have, you want to bait it to something? Yeah. When, when you leave, when do you leave again? Uh, I'll start. I'll probably leave. leave so we do like it's called the missionary training center and I'll go to Mexico I think on May 22nd. I leave so I'll be out of the country for two years. Is it live by then Doug? Oh, yeah, yeah Should be live, but yeah, but we don't we don't want to use it. We're gonna give you something We're gonna send you a secret program. Yeah, super super super yeah, yeah, that's that's coming up next. This is the Roswell program. Yeah It's perfect for what for what we're where you're going what you're doing. So we'll get that over to you before you get over there. So for now, I think

So you'll have three programs you could cycle through. Are you in our forum, by the way? I'm not. Oh, okay. And obviously it'll be hard to get on social media and all that while I'm out there. Yeah, yeah. So I get that. But otherwise I would love to, you know, keep up. Especially if you're testing this program, love to follow up with you. Michael, you might if I ask what things you'll be doing when you're out and in some of these places.

I'm sorry, what was that? Do you mind if I ask you what types of things you'll be doing when you're out in these places? You said you're on mission. What kind of things you'll be doing when you're out in these places? You said you're on mission. What kind of things will you be doing? So basically what we do is we just go talk to whoever we can and try and share our message of The gospel Jesus Christ and what we can offer them and try to Bring me back to that fold. You know, just share our message of love and peace to Christ. Yeah, good for you buddy Well, hopefully our programs help you out there. Yep

That'd be awesome. Yeah. Thank you. You got it, man. All right. Keep it up in All right. Thank you. Yep Nice kid you're you're in meat at 19 year old it looks like they're 30 that was me when I was a kid They got like a face, you know what I mean? Like you look like you're but you're not you're obviously 19 years old It's a compliment as people you should think I was 30 when I was 19 all the time so just wise I was the opposite you always look like a kid. Yeah, yeah think I was 30 when I was 19 all the time. Anyway. I was the opposite. Yeah, he's looked like a kid. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Which is finally starting to pay off. Yeah, that's how we're older. That's how we're all very useful. Everybody's like, so you look like you're 50. What's he going to stop? Anyway, people would be surprised at how much you can maintain with far less volume and far less intensity. And the studies will show.

It's like one six, some studies go one ninth, the volume will maintain. So it's especially in a situational like this, when it's novel. Yeah, like if you do traditional strain training in a jammer at home with like barbells, dumbbells, and so on that, and then you have an extended period of time, where you don't have access

and you're gonna go all suspension trainer or all body weight, I mean, you could potentially make gains because it's so novel. I mean, true. Yeah, I mean, especially this young, it's not like he's hit his peak potential, he's still on the come-up, right? Oh yeah, that's true, it is. Yeah, I mean, one of us ain't gonna make gains

on a two-month mission going to a suspension trainer, but I'd maintain decently that way. But I mean, at 19 years old, he's still on the up and coming still of building muscle and building his physique. So even though I know he's worked hard to get where he's at right now, because suspension training and body weight training

is probably gonna be so novel to him, there's potential for him actually getting. Now where it'll be hard is the nutrition, right? If he's, he lacks protein significantly, uh, well, he also, Argentina is beef heavy. World renowned for steak and beef like they supposedly have the best beef and, and steak in the world. Stake houses are great. So I think like the traditional dishes even out there will serve lots of beef because it's supposedly inexperienced. Yeah, he eats a lot of beef and potatoes. Why

he's out there and does suspension trainer and body weight Jack. Yeah, even more jacked. That would be a great testimony. Be great for that program lunch. Night cheater. O goes originating comes back Jack maps. Our next caller is Greg from Wisconsin. What's up Greg? How can we help you? Hey guys, that appreciate you having me on. I just want to give a big thank you to you guys. I started listening to you guys about a year ago. It was kind of a tough time for me. My dad was in the hospital, yeah, diagnosed with cancer.

So I spent a lot of drive time going to visit him. And that's kind of when I discovered you guys. And you guys got me through that whole time and again when he ever he passed last April you guys really helped me out, kind of distracting me and kind of keeping me on my, kind of on pace for my fitness goal. So I just want to say thank you guys for that and really appreciate everything you guys do. Thank you bro. Yeah man, thanks. you guys do. Thank you, Ralph. Yeah, man. Thanks. Then as far as my question goes, so a little bit of background on me, I am 39 years old, 64 to 20. I've always been pretty athletic, pretty decent shape. I grew up

playing basketball through high school and some other sports as well after that kind of got into Just some pickup basketball some volleyball But the problem was I was never really a big leaper I was vertically challenged to say the least Adam you probably appreciate this I even tried those strengths shoes by back in high school Unfortunately, those didn't really do much for me. But I am turning 40 in January and my goal is to be able to dunk comfortably by the time I turn 40. So my kids are getting in the basketball right now. I've got a 10-year-old daughter, a 7-year-old son, and you know I want to be able to, you know, show them how to work hard, work on their skills,

and kind of improve, kind of model that behavior, and also just kind of show off, right? So the ambulance kind of set them up for success. So my question then kind of goes into the programming to try to reach that goal, right? So I'm looking to increase vertical probably six to eight inches. Just a little workout background on me. I did maps performance last spring, then aesthetic, then symmetry, finished up antibiotic in January, and then right now I'm running performance again. I just started phase three. So just my knowledge I have for you guys, I figured running performance first before getting any sort of, you know, vertical specific type workouts would probably be the best approach.

So my question is, you know, what does programming kind of look like? I would assume it's going to be a lot of plyometrics. And then also from a nutrition standpoint, does it make sense to go kind of into a cut and lean out so it, you know, sends easier to give myself off the ground, right? And then also it is it possible to maybe combine, you know, vertical jump programming with any sort of other skill work? I know I don't want to do something that will kind of negate the vertical performance aspect of it.

So like, could I also try to work on improving my pull-up in conjunction with something in the vertical lead aspect? You're going to get that with... So you're like a very similar by time six three I'm two thirty I've actually this has been on my mind getting back in a basketball Literally what I would do is I would run performance and a cut to do exactly what you're thinking Which is to lean out? You're going to see strength go up in like pull-ups and body weight stuff like that and your ability to jump so all that stuff You're strength weight ratio. That's right. Yeah, so even though you might gonna see strength go up in like pull ups and body weight stuff like that and your ability to jump. So all that stuff.

You're strength weight ratio. That's right. So even though you might not see, let's say your bench press go up or movements like that, your strength weight ratio will go up. So the things like pull ups and jumping will be a more of a priority to you. So I'd run performance and then that really is just

to get me in a healthy position to train more like pure vertical stuff. And then I actually wouldn't, I wouldn't personally build that. I'd go to Paul Fabritz. I think he's the best in the business. And he's got a vertical program. I would literally run his program right after I ran performance and I will guarantee you will see your six to eight inches.

You'll be setting your your body up correctly by running performance with us and getting lean, getting like a good, well balanced, mobile, strong, joint supported type of deal. Your base of strength will be covered for sure. I think you have the right ideas in terms of like going into the programming is like, I got to build my overall body up as much as possible and like generate as much force because really to be able to vertically jump and get that triple extension, you need to be able to master that summoning of more force. And so to Adam's point with that, he probably has the best very specific skill-based program where he's not only just going to work on

you know, plyometrics and things like that, but also really the skill of how to approach the hoop of how to get that long enough stride dropstep, you know, all these different things and factors that will help to increase that, you know, sort of elastic, a launch that you're going to get for your vertical jump. Are you, are you following Paul already? Yeah, I remember I heard you mentioned him a couple times. So yeah, I'm following him right now. Yeah, Instagram, but I haven't gotten

in any of his programs. I'm going to look at what they do. Yeah, go and go into his jump program. It's incredible. I know people personally that have gone through it. I've seen all those tests. He's a friend of ours. So I can't speak enough about him. I think I think him and our other friends, Max Marzo. We're not even affiliated by but I'm just curious. And then if you run through his program, you find some of those very specific skill-based drills that he has, you could always combine that

as your mobility days with performance, which I've always wanted to do that anyways with athletes, and I kind of naturally do that based on their sport. We kind of dissect the sport in terms of like some of those very specific skills you need. We can fine tune in and customize it a bit more that way, incorporate on those mobility days.

Perfectly so. And so to recap, that's exactly how I would do this personally. Maps performance, I'd run, Paul's jump program. Then I would take out a Paul's program, what I felt gave me the biggest bang for my buck, and then I would implement it into one of our pa... For like long term, right? Like if you said you had goals,

hey, I still want to be strong, still want to look good too. And so I want to, how do I combine keeping this great vert that I got now, but then also kind of sculpting my body? That's what I would do. Is I would take the big rocks from his programming for his vert code.

That's what I think is called vert code. And I would take the big rocks from that after I've ran it through the way it is. So I'd run it true to the program. And then I would parse out the things that, oh yeah, that really has helped me tremendously. And Justin's right, there's things that he, he'll break down the technique of you coming up to the hoop

and just how you load yourself going into the jump that could, like I've seen guys with no training, just him showing technique on, like, again, a few inches, like three, four inches just from, just instantly from his technique of doing it. So the guy's incredible, he's brilliant, his programming is on point.

And then as far as like the nutrition, it would be like I said, cutting during performance to kind of lean out and lose some body fat, so you're leaner. And then I would just, yeah, I would actually eat for performance after that. Eat balance, eat beef, fat, make good choices, as long as you feel like you're in a leaner place.

If you're six, four, two, you said 220, I don't think you're too far off of being pretty lean. Okay. Yeah. That was awesome. Yeah. I followed this stuff for a while and yeah, some of it looks pretty, uh, pretty intense. Um, hopefully I can find all the, you know, kind of equipment to do that. But, uh, no, his vertical, his vertical is, is, is, like he does all kinds of stuff to attract people on Instagram,

but the vert code is, is a lot more, uh, I don't, fundamental or basic and you'll be able to do everything. You'll, you, you won't need anything crazy. Okay, perfect. Yeah. All right, great. I appreciate it, guys. You got it.

Yeah, keep us posted. I want to see a dunk video. Yeah. Yeah, I'm, I plan on trying to take some video and I'll be able to showcase the some of my buddies it'll inspire it'll inspire me because I've been saying that I'm gonna do it forever but he's asking me and I'm like I keep dragging my feet so maybe I just need to see Yeah, yeah, it's funny

You just listen to what you're talking about at that birthday party grab and that bar. Oh, I forgot that did you post that video with that Andrew? Did you put it? Yeah, yeah, the highlight of the Yeah, I want to make sure I'm back to add in Matthew. Not the other one. Yeah, all right You're doing fine, bro. You, you do. Most guys are ages. They don't, they do terrible. They're terrible. You're already on the couch. Yeah, keep us posted though.

I'd love to hear Greg Hyde, how the journey goes. Yeah, we'll do. All right, man. All right, I appreciate it, guys. Yeah. That was super weird. I just didn't really say anything. Was that hard for you?

Yeah. Yeah. Not having anything to add. You know what? I was going to ask you guys. I was going to wait till we were done to ask you guys from what I understand from the biomechanics of jumping in basketball just from watching Paul's videos.

Cause I do watch some of his videos. Do you guys think in some cases a unilateral training program like symmetry will help somebody? Yes. Because it's cause one thing that I saw from watching his videos like I don't really have much, I mean, I play basketball here and there's's a kid but I didn't play like you guys Not even close is that you you launch off one leg. It's a one-legged jump most of time. Yes

Most of so so I saw as he was talking you know I want to ask you guys like a wonder of symmetry for sometimes especially for someone's been training a long time Might have that that right to left the discrepancy. Yeah I would if you were like let's say I wasn't going to recommend like Paul, I would definitely do performance and symmetry. The combination of the unilateral work with the performance aspect of maps performance would give him a really solid foundation

and he may, and if he's just playing basketball, he might see. Well, and here's the thing, the more acceleration you're trying to apply, which is like, you know, you're trying to generate more force, you have to be able to control that. Yeah. And so like, something like symmetry, you're gonna be able to stabilize yourself more effectively,

which then helps improve your technique overall. No, no, no, no, 100% right. So to explain just differently with what Justin just said, if you've ever, if you guys ever seen those videos where there's like, I don't know what it's called. I think it's called a water saw where they shoot a stream of water and they can cut through anything. Yeah.

The, the reason why that's so powerful is because the hole is so small and there's so much pressure behind it pointing and directing all the energy into one point. So if you made that a big hole, you'd still shoot a lot of water, but it would have very little. So with Justin said about controlling big hole, you'd still shoot a lot of water, but it would have very little. So with just the set of our controlling force, if you have a lot of leaks in your force, you generate force, but it leaks,

you're not going anywhere. But if you can control it and focus it on the point that you want, now you're way more focused. Power, now there's a lot of power. Which also speaks to what he breaks down a lot, which is the technique of the going into the job. That's right. I mean, I've literally seen videos where he's getting the

road shoes. He's got to get six inches, dude. Yeah. Just by showing him how to load the and the bettion commission that we recommend enough. I got a call. I got a call. I got a call. I got a call.

I got a call. Our next caller is Sarah from California. Sarah. What's happening? How can we help you? Hi you guys. Such an honor to be here. I'm like literally such a huge fan. Definitely changed my life listening to you guys. So kudos to all three of you. Thank you. Awesome.

You don't forget that there's four of us. I just had a question about Deload Weeks and like soreness. I just had a question about de-load weeks and like soreness. I just finished Maps Advanced and Abbalic Phase 1, and then I did a de-load week. I have never structured a de-load week in my life ever, which is my fault, but that was my first time actually like following a program and then doing a de-load week. Within like the first day and like and doing a bodyweight exercise, I was abnormally sore. I just didn't know if being abnormally sore on a D-load week is normal.

Then I also experienced a little bit of hip flexor pain. I just didn't know if that was something to expect or if that was normal if I was like something to expect or if that was normal, if I was doing something wrong. No. So it's normal to come back from a D-load week and the first week of traditional workouts makes you more sore. It is not normal to feel more sore during the D-load week. Is that what you're saying? On the D-load week, you felt more sore? Yeah.

Let's because it was such a novel movement then. Either novel, like it's exercises you're not used to or the intensity was too high. I want you to approach the D-load week like you're just going to the gym and just going through some movements and that's it. It's not a workout. That's how I want you to approach the D-load week. It's like I'm just showing up and just kind of moving my body. I'm not going to feel like I'm working out.

I'm just moving through different exercises and that's it. A mobility day would have been, I mean like a mass performance mobility days would be, it sounds like better for you. What exercise did that to you? Yeah. So the first day, I just like, or I guess like day one of D-load week, I just like walked and do anything crazy.

And then the second day I just did like body weight lunges. I think that was like what it was program like body weight lunges and push ups, maybe some stretches. The body weight lunges. I think that was like what it was program like body weight lunges and pushups Maybe some stretches The body weight lunges which is weird because I used to do a lot and I still implement body weight lunges But for some reason like that de-load week like I did the body weight lunges and I was like oh my gosh like this Like I heard it's more than normal Okay, I got something for you. Okay. this was after phase one. Yeah. Did you get what were your strength gains like in phase one before you got to the D. L. O.

week? They were like, it was pretty significant because this is like my first time like really following like a structured program. I did aesthetics, but I kind of just went through it loosely because I just like didn't know what to expect. And then once I did aesthetics, maps, advanced, anabolic release. And I was I did aesthetics, maps, advance anabolic release, and I was like, all right, yeah. I'm gonna explain what happened here, because this is interesting, but now I think I know what happened.

Okay, so you had significant strength gains after phase one, which is expected. Okay, the program produces very rapid strength gains. Then you went to the D-load week, and you didn't exercise that you've done before, many times before, a body weight lunge But your strength is much higher now So what feels like low intensity is actually super novel to your body

You're probably doing more and generating more force than you did before. It's a novel exercise Now you get sore, okay? So you need to approach the D-load weeks like I'm just just going through movements and really, like with gloves, like I'm just taking it super, super easy, because when you make those big strength gains, going back to other exercises you haven't done before, you're gonna be doing them with more force, and more reps, yeah, that you haven't done a while. You're gonna be doing more force,

and more reps than you did before, and even though it feels easy, it's still super novel to the body. I've experienced that myself by the way. Well, plus you're in a split stance situation with that, you're generating so much force in a bilateral position. And then now going into that is gonna be a different situation

for your body to react to and respond and try and control and stabilize. And so having a stronger legs going into that as well, maybe producing more force than that, but haven't really accounted for the stabilizing effect of that. That might have also exaggerated a bit more. Yeah, which is also why she probably fills in her hip flexor so much. Yeah, I would take the movements and actually almost make them like a lunge, more like a mobility

thing where you actually do a stride and actually stay in the position a, like the lunge more like a mobility thing where you actually do like a stride and actually kind of stay in the position, drive the knee over. Like you're doing a yoga slide. Squeeze your, squeeze your knee hard right now. Yeah, and then go to the next stride, stretch it out, activate the glutes, drive the knee forward. So I would make these like long, slow like. Think of it like recovery, not like workout.

Like okay, I'm here to like speed up recovery and make my muscles feel good. Not workout, think of it that way. Do you have, do you have a maps performance by chance? I do not. I'm gonna, I'm gonna have Doug send that to you. I know where you're going. And it's okay to do this for your D-load week

is to take that and- To do the mobility sessions. To do the mobility sessions. So in, so maps performance is obviously a whole program in itself, but what we have in there is on your off, your non foundational days, we have what we call mobility days. And they're basically, we say 40 minutes,

do you have about 40 minutes? About 40, 40, 45 minutes. Do you like two of them? Yeah, and do those in there, I think in your D-load week, if you continue to feel this, if maybe the advice that we're giving right now and you're still feeling really think in your D-load week, if you continue to feel this, if maybe the advice that we're giving right now and you're still feeling really sore from the D-load week, maybe do something that's more programmed mobility for you and see if that eliminates

that and then pay attention to how you feel when you're at that. By the way, Sarah, you could totally, if you're following Maps and Abolk Advanced, you could totally do nothing on the D-load weeks and just walk. You could literally do nothing and just walk, and you would get, it would be perfectly fine. OK, and then I know you answered this a few weeks ago, but for D-Load Weeks and eating the same, specifically for maps and a ball like advance,

you would just stay even, because I'm not really cutting, I'm not really bulking, I'm just kind of like, here I am, I'm trying to like get back in tune with like my hunger cues after tracking for so long. So would you just say like just like stay, like eating the same, doing the same, all that. That's right, keep it the same. Keep it the same and you're gonna look, after you come back to the D-load week,

you're gonna trip out when you get to phase two. You're gonna be like, whoa, I feel like this is pretty crazy. Yeah, Phase 2 has already been super exciting. I'm like the halfway through the first week and I'm like already loving it. I think the D-Load week like mentally made me miss the gym and then lifting heavy. So now I'm like, all right, I'm ready to get back at it.

Are you getting close to hitting PRs in some of your lifts? Yeah, I am. I'm already, Phase 1, I already hit a PR, which was super exciting. I like literally looked around the gym to see if anyone saw that. Oh my gosh. Good job. Very awesome. Thanks for pulling this area. That's awesome. Yeah. Thank you guys.

I'm excited that we're now at the point where when we launched maps in a bulk advance, we're going to get feedback like this. And that's why, you know, and again, I have to caution people with it. The strength gains come so fast and furious with that program. You got to be really serious about the D-Load weeks and very serious about your form. Because when I followed it, it's addictive, isn't it? Oh, man, it was like, oh, keep going. So, now that's great.

No, it's a good conversation to have because the truth is, exactly what you said, right? Well, the research supports that you could take a week off and you're gonna, of no exercise. No, it's the mental part. That's why they put, I put a workout in there. Yeah, and then, and that's why too. I'm like, Hey, there's nothing wrong when you just do a mobility all that way.

That's it. You know what I'm saying? Go do, go do mobility work for that week. So you're, you're busy still, but you're not doing anything strenuous or strength training wise. And then watch what happens the next week after that. That's awesome. Look, if you like Mind Pump, head over to MindPumpFree.com.

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