Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2058: The Value of Training Muscles in the Shortened & Lengthened Positions, Reps Vs. Load & Tempo for Muscle Building, the Best Lower Body Exercises for Osteopenia & More

Episode Date: April 21, 2023

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page.  Mind Pump Fit Tip: Ozempic will NOT solve your fat loss issues. It is NOT the cure for your bad health. Focus on behaviors and NOT the quick fix. (1:43) Recapping the NCI Coaching Con event. (19:54) Aurelius’ five-star breakfast. (36:38) McDonald’s is quietly changing the fast-food industry. (38:50) Will innovation get rid of all work? (44:44) Bringing the Grizzly Bear back to California. (50:37) The recommendations on sodium are garbage. (55:05) Shout out to Russell Brand. (57:20) #Quah question #1 - What’s more important for building muscle, reps/load, or tempo? (58:44) #Quah question #2 - I can often grind out a few extra reps if I take a pause (2-5 seconds) between the last few reps of a set to catch my breath. Does that mean I am "cheating" and should just end the set when I start slowing down too much? (1:03:18) #Quah question #3 - What is the value of picking exercises that train muscles in the shortened and lengthened positions? (1:05:30) #Quah question #4 - What are the best lower body exercises for older people with osteopenia in the legs? (1:09:41) Related Links/Products Mentioned Mind Pump gives away free bloodwork to four lucky people a month! TRANSCEND your goals! For a limited time only, Mind Pump listeners get a free LMNT Sample Pack with any purchase: Visit DrinkLMNT.com/MindPump April Promotion: MAPS Anabolic or MAPS Split 50% off! **Code APRIL50 at checkout** Mind Pump #2017: The Best Peptides For Fat Loss With Dr. William Seeds Mind Pump #1815: Improving Fat Loss, Muscle Gain And Fitness With Continuous Glucose Monitors McDonald's Is Quietly Opening New Stores With Robot Employees All-In Podcast - E124: AutoGPT's massive potential and risk, AI regulation, Bob Lee/SF update What is Auto-GPT And Is Now The Time To Freak Out About AI? Grizzly Bears Might Return to California. Is the State Ready? Visit Paleo Valley for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP15 at checkout for 15% discount** Mind Pump #1612: Everything You Need To Know About Sets, Reps & Rest Periods How To Do The Sled Push The RIGHT Way! (AVOID MISTAKES!) The BEST Beginner Lower Body Exercise (LUNGE VARIATIONS) with Sal Di Stefano Mind Pump #1377: From Couch To Deep Squat In 90 Days Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Jason Phillips (@nci_ceo_jason) Instagram Russell Brand (@russellbrand) Instagram  

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OZEMPIC will not solve your fat loss issues. It is not the cure for your bad health. Hate to break this to you, but today there is no medical intervention that's gonna solve all these problems. Now that isn't to say that it won't potentially help, but it's not gonna solve the root issues. So don't place your bets on it, okay?

You still gotta work on your relationship with food and with exercise and you still have to develop behaviors that will last you the rest of your life. I want to say that because it is literally exploding everywhere. We're at the airport yesterday and I must have solved three commercials for a exempt. Yeah. I pointed one out to Adam, we were sitting there, for its fat loss and health, you know, purported properties and all that stuff. And go ahead. We've had supplements and pills that suppress appetite.

What is so game-changing about this one? Is it because the muscle-sparing properties that come with it? It's not that are unique. I mean, it's not a stimulant. So in the past, things that killed appetite or brought appetite down had a lot of adverse effects. Stimulants tend to raise heart rate, cause people to feel uncomfortable.

You build up a tolerance type of deal. Like any common stimulant, Adderall, 88 know, ADHD medicine can lower appetite, you know, that kind of stuff, but, but in Ozonepec has been shown so far to be one of the most successful weight loss interventions, medical interventions, that's around, really is. But again, it's not, it's not like the cure. It's not gonna change your relationship to food.

Like, I'll give you an example. We actually, we were just up in Phoenix talking to a bunch of NCI coaches and trainers and somebody brought up a question about a client who had gastric bypass. Gastric bypass is a very dramatic medical intervention for weight loss. They literally take your stomach, bypass it, leave a tiny pouch about the size of my thumb and you're forced to lose weight. Now, if you look at the data on people who go through that process,

they do lose a lot of weight, because you can't eat anymore, like you used to at least. But lots of other problems tend to pop up because the root issues aren't really solved. Like, why is this person using food like a drug to the point where they're, you know, 100 plus pounds overweight?

If we don't solve that, we just remove your ability to have the food the way you do. It's gonna pop up in other ways, whether it be depression, drugs, alcohol, and so on. So the generic name for ozemic is semaglutide. This is a peptide, by the way. I mean, we work with a company that provides peptides. And yes, it will help with weight loss,

but if you don't combine it with the stuff that's always, you know, the things that we've always thought of. So, you're in practices, you repeat. You're, it's just not gonna, it's not gonna do it for you. You have to learn how to eat a healthy diet in a way that's sustainable for yourself. You have to develop a relationship with exercise where it's something that you do on a regular basis.

Obviously, challenging takes a lot of work. But if you don't do those things, some agglutide or the brand name of those end pick is, it's just not going to solve your issues for you. It's a band-aid. It's what those effects inevitably go away. It's once you stop using it too. So like what you're going to lean so heavy on chemically enhancing yourself to be able to provide you with this

sort of tapering off of this hunger that you have versus really kind of working through that process and figuring out like how to work with maybe including more protein and things are more satiating in your diet and figuring that out in terms of something that's gonna last a long period of time. Not to mention how expensive it is in this intervention that we're constantly implementing into your daily habits.

Yeah, I think the best way to use something like some agglutide, which again, it is efficacious. This is not one of those things that does nothing. It definitely does something. But I think the best way to use it is, if this is a big challenge for you, you first off, make sure you work with a good coach or a trainer because that's the person

that's gonna guide you to develop these long-term habits. But you would include some agglutide to take the edge off, to give you just enough so that you can deal with certain things like why you eat the way you do, right? You would intervention should be temporary. Yeah, and then once you do that, it's like a step ladder. Like, okay, now I think I got a bit of a grasp of this. Let me remove the somagglutide. Appetite goes up a little bit.

Now, let me practice the things that I've been working on. So I could see it being an effective way, almost like training wheels. I could see it being very effective in that sense. But if you don't work on those root issues, and look, it's a money maker because, again, compared to anything we've done in the past, any type of medicine or drug or peptide in the past for fat loss,

it definitely crushes them all. I mean, it's, you will lose weight when you go on it, but it's not going to solve all your issues. And, you know, I have to just be honest about that. I want to run it, I think. You're going to try it. I do, I think. I think that's great. Yeah, that's why. So you can get really some honest feedback. Yes. Yeah, that's why. Not because I think I need it by any means. I think that I really want to see what a big difference. What a great idea. What a great idea. Yeah, and I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm consistent with my nutrition. I'm consistent with my training right now.

And so if I'm going to test something out like that to see like, oh, wow, this is making a big difference for me. I'm curious. What I'm really curious about too is that I, one of my challenge when I'm dieting and trying to lean, like right now I'm more like maintenance surplus because I'm trying to build, and but I'm in a position now where I could probably start

to cut and lean if I wanted to get shredded a little bit. And when I do that, one of the challenges always was making sure I still get adequate protein while I'm also in a chloric deficit. So if this thing really suppresses my appetite, I wonder what that's going to be like. And how hard it will be for you to eat the right amount of protein. Right. Is that already? You're right.

Right. So that's why that study came out that showed muscle loss for people because if you just eat less, but you're not watching what you're eating when you eat less, you're not getting enough protein or strength training, your body's gonna start to adapt by pairing muscle down, slowing metabolism down to meet the new caloric intake.

I can't stress enough to the audience to how common that is. I remember that more times than not when I had a client who's, let's say, we had built this relationship with the dunk tank, the hydrostatic way, right? Like one of the more accurate ways to do body fat tests. And so they would come to our gym on a very regular basis

and all of our clients would dunk, get measured on there. Many times we'd have clients that had thought they had incredible results. They lost 15, 20, 30 pounds. They would be discouraged. In fact, that was part of why I stopped having it come around so much because it would really discourage clients. They would measure and then go like, my body fat percentage didn't change or potentially went up.

Because you lost muscle. Yeah, and they thought they were doing so good because they were training hard and they were consistent with their workouts and they were eating a lot less than what they were before because that's like the messaging, right? And what most clients do is, you know, if eating less is good, then even more, or eating, even less is even better, right? Like more is better type of mentality. And so they would like restrict calories. And that became the main focus.

Stick to my training, show up to my workouts, eat less. Stick to my training, show up to my workouts, eat less. And that was like, and if I did that, scale would go down. And in every scale does go down. But what ends up happening is the client ends up pairing down a ton of muscle. Now, if you're 150 pounds overweight, then who cares?

If you're carrying 150 pounds of extra body fat on you, and you lose 40 pounds and half of it was muscle and half of it was fat, then so be it because we need to get a bunch of weight off of you. But not everybody has to lose 150 pounds. Most people are trying to lose 20 to 35 pounds or so. The thing is, and this will simplify, although it's the human metabolism

or mammalian metabolism is very complex, this is generally true, okay? If you eat more, the default for your body is to figure out a way to store the excess energy to save for later. So that's the default. Okay. Now that doesn't mean you can't send signals and do things to prevent that from happening. So that may be instead of it getting stored, it gets turned into muscle. But the default is that. If you just eat more and you don't do anything in an organized planned way to try to build muscle,

what your body does with that more is it's, it's, it's tries to store it for, you know, potentially later when you might not have more. Okay, that's the default. The default when you eat less is, oh, we're not getting enough calories to meet our demands. Let's lower our demands. Let's reduce the amount of calories we burn. So the default is to get rid of high demand tissue and the ones that are that you compare down easiest without having major consequences.

Like your brain, your body's not gonna pair down its brain, you need your brain. It's not gonna get rid of your liver, you need your liver, but muscle, if your body doesn't feel like it needs it, it'll reduce it. And now your demands will meet the intake. So it's really not any different than like the way people will manage their finances. We got excess finances coming in.

Let's save it or let's spend more of it, right? That would be building more muscle. Let's spend more of it or let's save it, or let's spend more of it, right? That would be building more muscle. Let's spend more of it, or let's save it, which is, you know, that's kind of the default. If we make less money, then the default should be to spend less. So that's what ends up happening. So just eating less, if you don't do it the right way,

which is that's the beauty of working with a good trainer or coach. The beauty is we know how to pull the right levers to make the default not happen. Oh, you're eating more. Here's the levers we pull so that it doesn't get stored. It's muscle. Oh, you're eating less. Here's the levers we pull so that you lose body fat, but don't lose the muscle.

That's the, that's, you know, in a nutshell, what a good coach or trainer can do on top of the fact that we try to, you know, teach you and coach you on how to pull those levers yourself and do it in a sustainable way, in a way that you wanna do it. That's balanced, that feels good and all that stuff. But if you just eat less, if you just take a peptide that makes you eat less and you don't do anything else, you're gonna lose muscle.

Yeah. That's just the bottom line. Your body's gonna lose muscle. Now, if you do it right and you lift weights in a way to get stronger, I don't mean just lift weights because people get confused. You can lift weights in a way that is not gonna work. Like, the programming makes it,

this is why we write programs. It makes a big difference. Rest periods matter. Rest periods and exercise selection and how you apply and tell you all that stuff, which we talked about a million times on the show. If you lift weights, do it the right way or do strength training the right way,

and the kind of food that you eat when you eat less, you combine those two, and there's more that goes into that, but you combine those two, now you don't lose muscle, you just lose body fat. And then again, on the flip side, you eat more if we do those things in the right way, we build muscle instead of building body fat. This is, I mean, really, just over simplification, this is the big challenge that people have

with weight loss and weight gain. And obsessing over weight loss is not telling you the full story, which is why Adam, I've had the same experience with body fat tests with clients. I mean, I had this experience with myself being someone who's experienced in trainers. Which by the way, that highlights the challenge. Yes, it's not just that easy. No.

And I remember seeing all my coaches and trainers that worked for me. Many of them had the, and including myself, had that same experience the first time that we all did like a competition with each other of who could reduce the most body fat. And that's exactly what happened is everybody, including these educated experienced trainers,

cut too hard, too fast. And we all lost weight. But then when we did the dunk, many of us actually stayed the same body fat. What did you left with? Yeah. Yeah, I was very surprised. I remember that.

And you see it in the competitive world. Super common. Yeah, these, these, who we all praise and put up on these pedestals is like the best or the best bodies or they know the most. And it's like, no, it's super common. So it's a, you know, it's very, which is also why when we get a client that wants to lose a bunch of weight, we don't focus unnecessarily cutting calories. Now, yes, we inevitably do cut calories to lose weight.

That's inevitable, what ends up happening. But the focus early on is not that. It's right. Increase the demand of the body. That's right. To build that expensive tissue you're talking about, We want to put them in a more advantageous place To lose and cut calories from a healthy place that is sustainable long-term and most people that you get higher you I've already tried to do it themselves and they've already slowed that metabolism down by eating less and then binging than eating less than

Binging and not building a lot of muscle doing a lot of cardiovascular activity and circuit type training, and then they hire you. And it's like, oh, I'm eating 2000 calories. I'm 60 pounds overweight. What do I do? It's like, oh, ozemic isn't the answer to that person. The answer to that person is to build muscle. Now, does it mean that that potentially can't be a tool, right? Exactly.

I would love to take that. That's why I want to experiment with myself, because maybe it does make a big difference on the way back down, right? So if I could build, if I to take that. That's why I want to experiment with myself, because maybe it does make a big difference on the way back down, right? So if I could build, if I still take that client who's eating 2,000 calories, the original goal, just because they're 60 pounds overweight, again, would not be to cut calories yet. It would be, let me build some muscle on you. Let's get your calories up to a place like 3,000.

Then maybe let's introduce a tool like ozimpyc, where we come back the other direction to help you restrict from the three-year challenge. I think it's a massive challenge because protein mean assaciating as it is. And then on top of that, what's the biggest function you're getting from ozimpyc? Is it's- Eating less.

Eating less. That's always been my challenge. Yeah. It's still hitting my protein and take while I'm on these cuts. I mean, so I mean, I mean, maybe that's not resonating with I mean, I maybe that's not, maybe it's not resonating with a lot of people on this. It's just me. Yeah. Because they're losing overall size. You know, and I think people are probably just

focused on that portion of it when, in fact, if you do get into that percentage of the ratios and you really see what it is that you're left with, it's kind of alarming. Here's where the medical community screws up all the time. They always screw up here is that they oversell and they're not honest. If they were just honest and they said, hey, some of Glutide actually can be quite effective in combination with, more used as a tool with. But instead, they sell it as the answer. And what's going to end up happening is they're going to sell a ton of them, obviously. There's no money in honesty. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Terrible. that as the answer and what's gonna end up happening is they're gonna sell a ton of them, obviously.

There's no money in honesty, so. Yeah. I know, it's terrible. We've known this. It makes me so mad because if they just sold it, honestly, you know what's funny, we've proved this, this bullshit. I don't, you know what, here, I'm gonna just root you out.

I know we did prove, we've been way richer. Oh, I'm blind. I mean, maybe I guess you're right. We lied to get them into honest shit, you know. Well, look, hey, look, hey, true, hey, this is time to be honest here, right? We've worked with many sponsors who, when they first start working with us, so we have an interesting relationship with our sponsors.

It's interesting because they let us do whatever we want because we deliver, but here's what's interesting about it, is in the beginning of our relationship, especially before Yeah, this was early days. That's a much now. Yeah, now we have a reputation, so everybody's like, do your thing, you know, just sell it however you want. But in the beginning, they would hear us on the podcast, be very honest about a product, so we'd say something like,

Oh yeah, this really gave me energy, but it tastes really bad. Or, yeah, you know, this is kind of good, but my gut issues, you know, didn't really affect my gut very well. They're like, don't say that. You're not just selling products. And we ended up selling a lot because our audience is like, we trust you, you're being honest. Like I experienced the same thing.

Yeah, so we're just, you know, we're trying to prove that you could be honest and sell products, but I guess you're right Adam, if we lied, I'd probably sold out. I don't know. I'm just, it's a, you know, maybe you're right. It may be in the, maybe over the course of a decade or two decades, right?

In short term. It's a slower process, but maybe in the long run. Because I think a lot of times those people that do stuff like that, they may have a good run initially, but eventually that stuff comes full. So cool. I'll tell you what, right now, if I was, if I still trained people people and I had a client

who had just unlimited funds in the sense that they're like, look, I'll invest whatever it takes. I really want to solve this issue. What should I do? I'd say, okay, here's what I want you to do. I want you to train with me and then depending on their fitness and stuff would be something like two to three days a week.

So you're going to train with me two to three days a week and I'm also going to work with you through text for nutrition, so it's going to be a lot of touch points. So you're gonna train with me two to three days a week. And I'm also gonna work with you through text for nutrition, so it's gonna be a lot of touch points. So we're gonna start with that. I'm gonna have you get a CGM. So that we can start identifying blood sugar issues and identifying, you know, connecting how you feel and stuff like that.

And then we're gonna use some agglutide to help with the appetite and to kind of give us training wheels in the beginning. That's exactly what I was gonna do. It'll help break some patterns. Yes, and then I would work with those things, and I think my success right would be phenomenal. But if you had to take any of those things out of the picture, it wouldn't be me. That'd be the last thing.

I wouldn't be like, yeah, just get the CGM and subglutite or just do the subglutite. No, the main ingredient is that we're going to work on these things and figure out a way to do it in a sustainable way. So, I mean, to be clear, it is an effective intervention. It is not, it is not gonna cure anything. It's not the end all. Hey, I wanted to ask Doug and Justin, since this was your guys' first big NCI event,

the last two years, Sal and I went, and so this was your guys' for it. And by the way, you guys got the cool hotel. We like, Jason is like, you said you had a little of the older one last time. Yeah, yeah, no, the last, the previous two years, and it was like, it was still a share, it was a nice place, it was just an older place,

smaller venue. You got the lot of them. Little expusion. Yeah, I was like, he needs to have the gold plate to play the toilet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, Jason doesn't like, he needs to have the gold plate of toilet. Yeah. Hey, Jason doesn't know yet that I upgraded my redo. Sweet.

Oh, this credit card. He knows now. Yeah, yeah, very many more. I got you, Jave. You know, it's only a couple hundred bucks. Why did you upgrade yours not ours, though? That's an in-habiting. Oh, they didn't have any.

That was the last one. I'm so out of a bitch. Sure. But anyways, this event was, I mean, Jason just keeps level in this event up every single time. I remember the very first one, Sal and I, what to do. Every year, there's just so much better. They doubled, right?

So what was it like for you guys being the first year that you guys got to go do it? Well, I mean, for me, it was really kind of powerful to be there with all these other coaches and like, mine and people that were like very much in tune with our message and like asking us really cool questions. I think that was probably one of the best Q&A sessions we've had, which was, you know, it's saying a lot because we've done a lot of those before, but I just felt like because we've had those coaching calls, I think with like a good percentage of the people that were there. We've already had kind of that rapport and then we actually had people that were in there that

have never even listened to one podcast of ours that were just like, you know, just based off of the the Q&A sessions. So I felt like that. It just felt it felt like good energy. It was electric and then, you know, it was not enough. It was just like, I felt like we energy, it was electric, and then it was not enough. It was just like, I felt like we were there for maybe like five minutes, but it was like an hour, and it just went like that. And then we just, it was just like a big kind of whirlwind is was my experience and then going outside

and just like trying my best to like, intensively focus on one person at a time and hear their story and like, you know, what's going on in their life? And and how we can we can all kind of like attack this health thing together. It was really cool, man It was it was great. It was great like exhausting, but like filling up at the same time. Yeah, that's always a weird feeling Yes, like you get this you're on this high and your cup is filled so much, but then it drains. Physically tired. Yeah, physically tired.

I'm exhausted today, like every next day, getting back and then like it always. We stood in the same spot for like four and a half, five hours just talking to people as they approached us one after another. And each person is invigorating because, you know, they're all coaches and, you know, they're all very passionate about fitness and helping people and such.

It's such a difference though, like a physical, like in person contact, like, it's just no comparison. That exchange is is a completely different feel. Yeah. What do you think you know? Yeah. So you guys, you know, you got caught over there in the corner and early on, I said, I'm getting out of here.

You know, I wanted to go float around and just talk to people. And I was shocked by the number of people who had never heard about the show. Yeah. And I talked to a few of them, which was a lot of fun. You know, a lot of the people they, I think found the event online,

maybe an ad popped up and they liked the speakers. Alex Hormosi, of course, being one of the big draws. One guy actually flew all the way from Taiwan. Yes. No, nothing about our show. That was wild to me. Yeah, and so it was super cool. Super cool.

Right after it. Yeah, that's cool. So I met all these people, super positive people, obviously people are looking to better themselves and prove themselves And it wasn't just about fitness either. So I met this one young guy. He was a 20 years old He's in real estate and he saw Alex Hormosi So I'm gonna come to this event. Yeah, yeah, so I talked to him So he wasn't even into fitness, but he's a subscriber now to mind pump of course

But yeah, I really enjoyed I mean I always enjoy any type of live event that we do where we can actually interact with people who lift listen to the show or even not and It's always like you say very energizing, but it's also very exhausting as well because man Well, sometimes you get cornered and they'll talk there You're you're off and you can't escape and you want to be polite and you don't want to go away. But then you understand there's other people that you probably want to talk to. So, but I enjoyed it for sure.

I had fun, man. Yeah, it was such a blast. Over 700 people they had this time, which that was a lot. I didn't, you know, because we only got about 10 feet into that avenue area before the whole line started, I didn't get a chance to really walk around like you did and I saw videos afterwards, like, yeah.

Really put it into place. And notice how many people were there. I mean, there was a, I gotta tell this story. Towards the end of the night, the, I mean, we were, again, we walk in huge room and then a line form. So we just stood in the same place for four and a half hours talking to people, hugging people is a good time.

And at the very end, this couple comes up and, you know, I'll be nice, right? So they come up. You don't have to be nice. Well, I'm not gonna go into the themselves. They don't need a list of shows. They're very, they come up and they pitch us. They start pitching us about their thing. They come up and they pitch us. They start pitching us about their business.

And I'm like, and as they're pitching, I can tell, you never heard the show before. So how many episodes have you listened to? Oh, I've heard clips. Oh, okay, that's what I thought. And so apparently they do like energy work, like over the phone, they heal your issues. It's like magic.

That's why I said, it sounds like magic. It sounds like, no, no, no. Like over sky, it really works. Wow, your power's really stint. Anyway, so we're trying to be polite. I was surprised Adam didn't turn into a mass hole right away. Man, Adam's really nice right now. I've been waiting for Adam to be like,

did the fuck, I do a snare gratter. So then they finally leave, we went to get him in. Yeah, I was in a good mood. I know, they were, they couldn't, they didn't take you off that. So then we were done, they left the room. Anyway, next morning we're exhausted, we get up, we gotta get in a good mood. I was in a very good mood. You were. They couldn't, they didn't kick you off that. So then we were done, they left the room. Anyway, next morning, we're exhausted. We get up, we gotta get in a plane. They find us.

She approaches me and I'm like, oh fuck. All right, here we go. I'm just gonna finish my game, dude. You know, you know, A forever, I mean, I guess, we gotta keep trying. She comes up and she goes, hey, I did an energetic, what did she just call it? Like an energetic assessment of you and Adam.

And here's all the issues that I found. And she pulls her profile and she has a list of ailments. She's like, little beauty, dollars, he can do it. It was a list of ailments and she shows me. Now, and she goes, this one's yours. Now, had it blown my mind, I would have been like, you know what, this is really weird, right?

Not fucking one was accurate. Oh, man, like 15 things on my things on you say one, you say one. You're even like giving your kids. Bro, the one that everybody has. Well, you had a suggestion. You know what I wanted you to do, I wish you would have kept it. Because I bet you could write after that, Google, what are the top 20, uh,

uh, issues that people have? She was like a pep-to-bismo commercial. She's like, yeah, yeah. Right leg weakness. There you are. Your wrist hurts, your, your, hurts, your vision on your left. Like weird shit. I'm going down the list.

And I this will literally, literally, literally what I did in front of my went, no, no, no, no. As I'm going down the list, none of these actually, none of these apply. Oh, that's because I didn't get your permission to do the energetic or whatever. Get out of here.

Come on, man. God, that's annoying. You know what? Look she tried. Why is it losing my powers? Please get that magic stuff out of here. Yeah. Anyway that was a, um, it was such a great event. My favorite at the end of the night though. We were all done. We escaped. Just the four of us went by the pool hung out and I hadn't done with this with you guys in a while. We're all just hanging out. That was a good time. Yeah.

And we started telling stories and fucking Justin, bro. That story I forgot all about. Which one? I told Jessica we were on the floor last night. The one I want you to tell a story of which you're in class and you were writing the note. Oh, yeah. I told Jessica, bro, we were on the floor a long time ago a long time ago

This is the best story I've ever heard of my life you went six grade. Yeah, something prompted it though We were talking about oh, we were talking about getting caught with stuff. Yeah, how you freak out Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm talking about getting caught with this. Yeah, cuz I mean we had our like sort of I got caught You know is whacking off in week that's how it all started That was the direction of conversation. The added wasn't gonna see that. I just tried to pick up a conversation. I'm trying to pick the picture, the audience. I didn't try to pick the audience.

I didn't get any too much of a picture here. But this story has nothing to do with that. No, that's it started. That's how crazy stories like that, right? So I was like, yeah, so I was in sixth grade and so my teacher, Ms. Booey, I don't even feel bad talking, because this is like, I was like a little asshole with this.

I admit it, I was like, you know, I would make a fun. Like, you know, you don't have to share help with how mean the nut. I don't wanna say that the content was, because it was mean, you know, it was mean, but it was like, you know, ass hole mean. You know, so it was like funny, no, but it was just mean, bro.

It was just damn it. But everybody laughed. You know, like, okay, I was just working. You're just a great boy, dude. I was working through all that. I was young and I really know, like, anyway. So yeah, I wrote this poem that was basically like, you know, trying to make fun and poke fun and teach some things

about the teacher. And so it was like passing its way around the class and like, everybody's laughing, haha. And the teacher was like, what's going on over here and points it out and like I have the paper in my hand and just like froze. Give it to me. Yeah, give me that paper.

Give me that paper right now. I'm like, no me. Yeah, give me that paper. Give me that paper right now. I'm like, no. No, you give me that paper, you're gonna go to principal's office if you don't give me that paper. And I was like, in my head, I'm like, I'm going to principal's office. Anyway, my parents are getting called.

Like, this is all bad for me. They're just serious stuff in this letter. Like, I'm not going down with this letter. And so she just can't, give it to me and like starts coming over and like, reach it for it and then I just boom, right in the mouth. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Shoot it up like, to the, to the, no, give me that.

Like, she was actually trying to like, fish for it. Like my mouth and I just chewed up as best as I could and just swallable thing. Oh, totally convinced that these are his guttishes Some dying there that probably stay on your mead paper and double number two pencil This fucking gut line is still a half a tree in here like stuff literally ate it like chumped it swallow it and that was it Yeah, but if you think about it brilliant, like, what are they gonna do? I mean, there's no evidence.

Now they have to guess, like, what was on that paper? Well, for sure, whatever, I don't know. She knew it was bad. Bro, you know, it was way lighter than what it would have been. How'd it got caught? Oh, yeah. I mean, I ended up just having to stay outside the rest of the class.

Right, right, like, she can't prove it was all this. She thought it was probably like a, like, a, you know, dirty pic, like a note or like, yeah, a love note or something embarrassing. Not that you were talking about her personal issues. Yeah. Yeah. Bro, you ate it too, it's smaller than it. Oh, I got a whole mess that I was talking to Jessica.

She's like, how did it go? And I told that story, but we were on the floor. Yeah, dying. But I mean, that's again, that's a brilliant move. Now, are you guys, okay, so that's funny. When you guys get back from that, I'm really bad at this. I'm so exhausted. I love that, you know, Katrina and I've been together for so long.

So she's been through this with me enough times that she don't even ask me. Because I'm like, so I'm so tired. I'm so tired, I don't even want to talk. And even like the flow of it, like it hasn't even all settled for me. And so she don't even like, pry that much. Like, oh, how was it? She'll ask me like the generic question, like, how was it? Was it good? Did you like it? Oh, yeah, it was great. You know, and then, and then it'll be like a two days later that I'll start sharing stories with her of like all the, how everything

I'll play it out. Because I'm like, if you try and pull it out of me right then and there, it says it doesn't go so well. Another thing that was awesome is that nothing to do with the event. The event was obviously amazing. But we haven't all worked out together. In like five years. Years. This was the first one in years where we actually didn't go to the gym

and then just like separate. We actually did the same workout together. That was great. Yeah, I enjoyed it. That was a good time. You were a good sport too. It was fun, dude. Yeah, because we were taking you through

a straight bodybuilding. Yeah. Light weight school hard just to want to add weight to everything. I was like, oh, I mean, it was a pretty weak sauce workout. Let's be honest. Yeah, we're just giving a little

pump and hang out and stuff like that. But it's still we hadn't done that in forever. Actually just Doug's asked that. It wasn't with us. Yeah, Doug went on. You've noticed the pattern here? Yeah.

I'm always doing my own thing. Yeah, Doug left it to my own thing. Yeah. Doug left to do this on the road. Yeah. And then we, I mean, we went in the pool, dude. That was like, I mean, we actually like did things. I didn't want to pull you guys in. Yeah, we did.

We sat in it. You guys went to the pool. The pool was nice. Yeah, the whole hotel, that hotel, you know, shout out to the Sheraton downtown Phoenix. So that's a really, that's a really, that's a whole area was nice. You know, the one thing that's funny.

So this is before Sal got there, which is ironic, because I think this is a second or third time where we're on a mission to go find like Wagyu steak when Sal's not with us. And we go, we go drop like a thousand bucks on steak on the night's Sal's not around. A bunch of jerks. So that's kind of like a thing, right? So let's become. Time with you guys, we have tacos. Let's become a tradition for us is when we fly into new cities or new areas that we've

never been, we, we, one of the, one of the treats that we, we do is we find like a really the best stay-couse we can in the city or town that we're in. You guys actually find one? Well, so listen to the story, Sal. I'm sorry. What I'm telling you. Sorry, Sal. It's so hard. You want to keep talking to you or what? You want to tell the story? You want to tell the story for everybody? What's your opinion?

This is time for going off right now. And we're in. Say something. So Doug goes over and he knows this. Justin, I already even doubted you. So Doug does what I would say the smart thing to do is go talk to the concierge, right? So he goes over to the concierge and says, hey,

we're looking for the best steak around. Like, you know, where can we get a good steak? You know, and she's like, Oh, you know, there's this place called was it antagonist? No, the arrogant, arrogant, arrogant butcher, which sounds like close antagonistic butcher. I don't know. It's whatever he walked. Obviously, he has. Obviously, it was a cocky cook memorable right for me to remember the name that well So she tells it she tells name we're all excited. We're walking down to this place and I mean Doug kind of got the Feel as soon as we got there. He's like yeah, this doesn't quite feel like the white tablecloth You know Japanese five like who's date that we're gonna get you're looking out back steak out totally Basically it was I mean It was better than that.

I don't want to shoot on a dappab because I had this pretzel and cheese appetizer that was phenomenal and I had this breaded chicken dish that was pretty good. But I mean, not even the same universe as a steakhouse that we really wanted. So that was a big let down. I just thought that was so funny that the concierge of all people when Doug asked for like the best steak. They probably looked at you guys like, what can they afford?

Yeah, we just broke this. We broke this, you guys, you're definitely downplayed. You're so strong. That was the gym, I'm outfits. I'm not even, so I don't know about you guys, but my house, or like I don't have in myer and my I pack away all summer stuff in the winter and then vice versa when the summer comes summer Cup stuff comes out in my drawers and so I don't have all summer stuff out Yeah, it's still I mean what 63 here today. It's still very cool

I'm working these shorts dude you guys Well, I mean you wear shorts all the time. Yeah, you wear it even in the way like that weird kid in school who would wear a parka and short My like kid in school. Yeah, he is totally that guy. Yeah, I never See them like that. I don't care about legs. It's it's yeah It's just the upper body gotta keep a bit warm. I mean if I had if I had if I had ham hocks like that I wear shorts all the time But your legs don't feel cold not not really really. I mean my if I get my feet cold Then I'm screwed like my whole body's cold, but like, I'm like,

I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,

I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,

I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, the house. I was literally like, I'm sure you like, but you have a short sweat head for like the week. But I saw the weather and I'm like, fuck it, I ain't wearing pants out there dude. It's like 95 plus out there.

We guys, it's time dude. You guys know me man, I love the heat. So I go out in that sun. I'm like, oh, let me just stay in the sun. Dude, we were talking earlier about like feeding the kids like fancy food and whatnot. Does Jessica make like a real elaborate breakfast? Well, I've been, you know,

giving Courtney a bit of grief for this. Well, it's just, you know, we got a two year old and we try to say no or save no for when it really counts. Otherwise, they start to like push it and all that stuff. So what is that? What is that? Yeah, well, like if he's gonna hurt himself, or it's just getting ridiculous or whatever,

but when it comes to food, so if he wants filet manion for breakfast, that's not like a no, it's like a hard no. Well, depends, right? So this morning for breakfast, she sent me a picture of this kid's breakfast. It's like a lamb chop, like grapes, sliced in half and hummus and crackers.

You know he's specific, he was very specific. Yeah, mama, I want, you know, but, but, but, so she, yeah, made it for him. So she sent me a picture, she goes, yeah, it's getting a little excessive. I said things so. He thinks he lives in a far five star hotel. Dude, yeah, like, especially,

Ethan's always been kind of like that. He's like a big foodie, like just loves, cause if we'll go somewhere, I'm always like conscious, like, oh, he's going to want a version of that at home at some point, right? So, for instance, they have baking all the time in their sandwiches. You know what I'm like?

You get baking, just for like your turkey sandwich. Yeah, your turkey sandwich from there. I'm like, this is crazy. I go into the refrigerator the other day and I'm looking at what is this. There's a jar and Like you know normally you put mayonnaise on Brad whatever for a sandwich. It was Chipotle a. O Lee and I'm like, oh dad. That's my Chipotle a. O. Lee I

Like it's just so fancy like I know Who you? Who you? Who you? Like, you're so fancy. Like, I don't know. Do you remember any of how to deal with that? No, the sandwiches we ate with were kids? Yeah.

It was wonder bread. It was PB and J and like, shh. It was wonder bread. It was mayonnaise, craft single cheese, and a slice of bologna, which is basically just flat hot dog. Yeah.

And that was it. That was a sandwich. Yeah. Actually kind of good. I'm happy for them But also it's like kind of like thrown in my face Hey talk about food you guys see McDonald's What you guys see the news on McDonald's yet? Oh, they do. Oh, you did it. Okay, so let me get I saw layoff

Let me guess. Let me guess did they get the same spokesperson Bud Light did no Listen lost Las Vegas, Las Vegas, Fort Worth, and I believe Denver are the three cities full automation. Yep. 100 no humans. There you go. Hold up, Doug. You got me, Andrew, yet? I mean, this is just a time where I saw things I'm grabbing questions for the cause I said, yeah, I got it. I got you. I got you. I got you. I got you both watching porn ads right now. No, come on.

Really? One of the chances. We need a third guy now. We need a third guy. Oh, we're still in. Get the energy. All hot women in your area. You saw those test systems that could change the fast food industry, bro. Yeah, I saw an article this morning and I'm pretty sure it was.

I know it's all fully automated. So it's all no humans. Not at all. Yeah. I mean, it's that makes perfect sense. It's a, you know, if you can provide that. You know, bro, just for a second, though, think about how much that. Oh, look at that. Think how much this is going to shake things up. Yeah. Well, okay. What do we, well, you know, how many,

do you know, do the math on Burger King, Taco Bell, all the fast food restaurants, how many of them, how many people work from? You're talking about hundreds of thousands of people. Yeah. You're not talking about a few people. Well, okay, here's a deal. In efficiency and everything improves.

Okay. All right. Yeah, we got to be clear on this, because this is going to be, if it's not already politicized. Okay. Automation of stuff like this. How do you politicize McDonald's?

What do you mean? You don't see, you can't see the easy political. It's ton of employee. Come on, bro. Look, you have on one end the right is it be like, this is what happens when you raise minimal wage. Okay. On the left.

This is the 1% getting rid of jobs. So now that, okay, so that's, it's gonna be a politicized issue if it's not already. Here's the truth, obviously it's somewhat in the middle. It was inevitable. Isn't that crazy? It's crazy. Look at this video.

Yeah. It was inevitable that stuff like this become automated. Inevitable, in other words, gonna happen no matter what. Now, raising minimum wage only made it happen faster because the cost of automating became less expensive than the artificial bottom floor for paying people. So that's the fact. Did you see the thing that I checked out on it

at the airport yesterday? No. Oh, dude. So you know how like a self checkout line, which that's not like crazy. We've seen those everywhere. Oh, yeah. But this new one, I was, I had to come over and explain it to me because it was like, I've never seen one like this.

He's, oh, no, just put it all on there. Yeah. It's not like an individual bar. So I don't know where you scan anything. I just put it on the thing and there's a calculator. Wow. It calculated all of my already knew what all the items were and it just all at once it was a one-time So they're put your card in and pay for like where's this been yeah, that was my girl boom here Wow, that is really cool. Yes, that is about it was about the size of maybe half this desk right here So whatever you could fit on that which is a lot of stuff, right?

You put that all on there and it automatically instantly calculated all of it in my total maybe half this desk right here. So whatever you could fit on that, which is a lot of stuff, right? You put that all on there, and it automatically instantly calculated all of it in my total, I just card in and out. You know what's interesting? So let's talk a little bit more about, like deeper what this potentially means for business owners. When you used to own franchises,

like McDonald's Taco Bell Burger King, you own the restaurant, but you were also a manager of lots of employees. Right. These entrepreneurs now that buy these franchises, you know, cause what would separate a great McDonald's owner from the bad McDonald's owner was how good you were at managing your staff

and creating a culture just like any business. But when it's fully automated, you don't need to do any of that stuff. You just pop it up and... I imagine the upfront cost can go up. Stan, so you can just... You'll probably... Yeah, and they're probably gonna, what's it called?

Let me tell you what sucks, okay? So speaking specifically to McDonald's. So one of my long, long term clients was actually a franchise owner, she own nine of them, her and her dad. And what McDonald's does in situations like this, because they obviously have innovated and continued to... Yeah. Be able to reduce costs on the day. So McDonald's owns so many

and then there's a percentage of them that are also franchises and the company, when they do stuff like this where it could cost, they will also cut the costs on the burgers with that which squeezes the franchise owners. So like she's always like the margins for them as franchise, they don't crush. That's why she has nine of them. Like she, in order for her to make really good

money, she's a competitive market. Oh, it's so competitive. And, and when, when stuff like this comes out, and you think, oh, wow, it's going to save, you know, the company and the franchise, all this money and stuff like that. No, they just squeeze everything else. And then that the franchise owner has got it. They use all that money. They don't have the flexibility to raise prices based off demand or whatever they have to fall in line with whatever corporate is doing. And so as she's continued to be in this industry for, I don't know how many decades now, it's gotten more and more difficult. And at one, there was a time when you could own one McDonald's and make a very good living, owning just one McDonald's, but she literally has to own like nine of them to make the kind of living sheet to today is what it would be like one,

just like two decades ago. Well, do you ever, have you ever heard about the consumer base of McDonald's? Have you ever heard about them? There's like a percentage that are like super regular users that eat there on a regular basis. And you're dealing with the consumer base where if the price goes up a little bit, it'll significantly impact them. So that plus the fact that you're competing

with other chains, you have to keep the prices low or you're totally screwed. It's not like an expensive chain where Whole Foods could raise prices and it'll affect them a little bit, but not much. Did you listen to our show today? Yet? What?

Our favorite podcast? I can't. No, no, no, no. Oh, wait, so you hear this? So somebody has already built on top of chat GBT called, she had to, of course, I'm going to forget the name, but now it's fully autonomous. Oh, they're teaching each other. So you can, you can give two of them different skill sets.

And then they train each other to get whatever desired outcome. It's crazy. They're talking about how you can build a sales team and sales force and stuff like that. And then one of them is to be very empathetic and do these things. The other one, I want you to be able to close, use these tactics and then they cross it once together. They work together and teach each other to build like, it's crazy, bro. It is crazy.

It's like speeding up so fast. It is. It's the first time that I've ever, that I've ever really considered the fact that we will be, that they will, it's like a new seat belt. That innovation will get rid of Pretty much all work

So I mean that's gonna leave us with a existential crisis not that we're not gonna have money That's the problem everybody thinks we're not gonna have money. That's not what's gonna happen It's be so efficient. It's gonna be so much of our work that will have money people not knowing. Yeah, that's it So what what jobs do you think are the, because I mean, I feel like I could think almost, how almost everything is somewhat replaceable, right? What do you think are the last to go? Like with the things that you would think

would be the most technical, like brain surgery, so that those will actually go quick because of the precision of what they can do with AI and stuff like that. So okay, that takes out a lot of that crazy stuff. I think the stuff that requires the most human, humanity, the most human touch is going to be the hardest because the massage therapy. Yeah, maybe, maybe.

Well, that's like, like I, I, I, but I mean, my touch is like, like, you meet someone you talk with them. So I don't agree with that. I agree with little, my touch is like, like, you meet someone you talk with them. So I don't agree with that. I agree with little, literal touch. Like that is because you need a human touch to do that. I don't agree just because they're, the AI is being programmed to, yeah, like her that movie,

like did you see that? Yeah, so it's just got a therapist, like, you know where they talk to. Well, no, that's what I mean. I think the closer the, okay, the jobs that require you to really be with someone and meet with someone are gonna be the ones that are gonna be the last ones to be replaced because there's so much more

that goes into making it indistinguishable as what I'm trying to say. So like a therapist over the phone, that'll get replaced before a therapist and person. Sure. That's what I mean. But yeah, the technical stuff. I was apparently going to be more stuff like a plumber, a

conjure, like things that are more hands-on that will need someone to physically turn it. Yeah, because physical robots and that can take a while. That'll take a little while too. So yeah, honestly, that's, I've said this, you can go back in our podcast of like, where I see there being opportunity and it's really like back in the technical space and a lot of that like these plumbers and electricians. Yeah, I literally nailed it.

How did that get? No, yeah. So here's what it says in Forbes, they said, the jobs that are gonna be difficult will be a caring roles as with a nurse or social worker. So that's what I meant. But also business roles where you need to understand your clients and then skilled trade work.

Yeah. Jobs that require lots of mobility, dexterity, and flexibility, unpredictable environments, like electricians or plumbers. Right. And they make good money, dude. It's just so crazy to me that it's been scoffed for so long, like, you know, these trades.

They're essential. You know, that's what keeps everything running and moving. It's crazy to me. But I mean, What do you mean while those become, at least trades, they're essential. That's what keeps everything running and moving. It's crazy to me. But I mean, Wouldn't it be wild if those become like the most like high-paid jobs? They will.

They only jobs. 100%. That's what we're moving. Yeah. But I mean, Do you'd like developers and coders and their dime a dozen and plus like AI can do that? Yeah.

It's gonna, it's gonna, this is my prediction. I'm gonna predict that at some point, there's not gonna be any work for people to do, so they're gonna have to figure out ways for people to be taken care of, and so they're gonna have like UBI type stuff. Okay, everybody gets, the services, everybody gets this money,

and then people are gonna be left with like, what do I do? That's gonna be the challenge. What do I do now? Before I had to go to work, that gave me a little bit of a sense of purpose, even though I hated my job or whatever. What do I do now?

I don't know. What do I do? I guess I'm gonna go paint. I'm gonna go read. By the way, people who are listening, who are like, that would be a dream. If you look at the research on people who retire, this is a massive challenge.

It's not what you think. People are like, oh, when I, if I were a millionaire, I'd send a beach and drink my ties all day long. Yeah, for what? For how many days? And then you'd lose your mind. You'd have no sense of purpose. So that's gonna be the challenge in my opinion.

I think that's kind of where we're headed. No, I don't just, so food prices dramatically going up, staying the same, going down, going down, going, it was down, down, down, down. Yeah, way down. You start to remove, and here's the other thing. So currently what gives us efficiency are, like prices. Prices are amazing signolers to tell us where to allocate resources, what's more valuable,

what's less valuable, and it really does produce lots of efficiency. This is why markets are so good at what they do. But when you have machines doing the jobs and communicating with each other, you can multiply that times a million. Now, supply and demand is instant instant instant and they're gonna be able to be so efficient

with how much food they produce, when they deliver it, how it goes bad, where it needs to go, it'll drop the price of everything. Everything's much, much less expensive. Not to mention, we're gonna get to a place where, soon here, we're gonna be able to make, you know, these fake meat, fake burgers and all robots are gonna be able to do it. It's gonna mean very little humans to do it. So that's gonna be super cheap to do. Meanwhile, California has this idea that we should bring grizzly bears back. What? I heard you say that. What? Can you believe that? Wait, wait, wait, wait. Do you guys think that's a good idea? What do you mean they're gonna bring grizzly bears back. What? I heard you say that. What? Can you believe that?

Do you guys think that's a good idea? What do you mean they're gonna bring grizzly bears and throw them in the woods here? Yeah, they think that like, Why? They want to bring them back in, Why? In this natural habitat of like,

what, a thousand something years ago they were here. I think they, so they reintroduced wolves like in like Yellowstone and like, so they had some bit of success, but think about how densely popular that is, it's not. There's nothing but free open land like all over the place like for hundreds of miles. Yeah. And so like, think about California, where is there like humongous open plots of land anymore? It's here and about as it's about it.

Barely even that. But like where are these bears gonna go? Yeah, and everybody's back here in their house, like they're gonna be malling people left and right. Yeah, because, because I understand what's the why? Are they, are, are grizzly bears, are they going? I think it's some environmental, like sort of initiative. But what's the point though?

Is it because they used to be here or is it because it's gonna serve some environmental purpose? Yeah, I think it yeah, they're trying to justify I think because they're trying to control They're not letting us do a lot of Hunting here and like there's very minimal amounts of Dear hunting and all these other types of like it's the populations out of control with that of deer of deer I believe but it's the populations out of control with that of deer of deer. I believe but it's

Honestly, like just open up more of the hunting and that'll like reduce it down. So it's like Bringing grizzly bears back like it's just there's nothing but potential problems We would bring back dinosaurs. I think we could yeah, they used to live here. Let's put some dinosaurs I don't know dude like, just these ideas, I can't believe it gets crazier every day. I think we talked about before with science. Science doesn't question whether we should, they just question if we can. So it's like, oh, if we can, let's do it. What does that say, Doug?

Is that so? Yeah, I pulled it up. There's definitely a petition going on. They want to bring you back to California. Basically, they're just endangered. Right now, they have them at about 1,500, 1,800 today. And they're thinking that it's a good trip of the population of them. And they want to bring them back to the home of the American West essentially. Mm hmm. Instead of Alaska, where there's a lot more land. Yeah, right. That's where most of you are is Alaska, right? Yeah.

And so is the population of them declining? Yes. Yes. I mean, they haven't been in California apparently since 1920s. Yeah. Yeah, for a little while. There you go. I mean, until they start eating people's mouths.

Do we intentionally eradicate them? Not, we just hunt them out on purpose. We just hunted the shit out of them. Yeah, that will be intentionally eradicated. They're monsters Yeah, I mean that like if you have one of those in your backyard like In your kids are playing outside. That's why I had a trainer. I had a trainer used to live in Alaska And she said you walk around with a sidearm. Mm-hmm Like like a like a 45 Calibre sidearm because like a 45 caliber sidearm

because, yeah, Grizzly, it's like a black bear. Isn't in Alaska, aren't they worried more about moose than they are actually Grizzly bears, aren't moose like scarier? I heard moose like they're way more aggressive, right? You ever seen a moose?

Not like close. Like what? Like a ton to like two tons. It's the biggest thing I've ever seen. Yeah, there's a lot of people. I saw one when it first went big, dude. I've seen them in Alaska, but I've never been like, I was in a canoe and it was like coming down for a drink

and I saw just like trees bending over as it was like making its way. I was like, oh my God, this thing's big. They're giant, if you ever see one. Here's a fun fact. In North America, moose attacked more people than bears and wolves combined. But that's cause there's more moose, right?

I mean, probably. We're not gonna be able to move. Well, no, they're also aggressive. But worldwide, do you know what animal hurts the most people? Hippos. Hippos, you're right. Yeah, they're the most aggressive. That's cause hippos are aggressive.

You gotta look how big that moose is. Yeah, they'll flip a car over. Have you guys ever seen the video? There's like people on a, I don't know what it is, like a river boat somewhere, and there's a hippo kind of far away and it dives under. And the guy's like, he hits the gas because he knows, and then you see it pop up because it's swimming after them.

Yeah, and it's like gonna take him out. Have you seen that video? Oh, is it an fishing boat? It was in some kind of a... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think we all shared that actually just to their day we were talking about that. Terrifying, yeah, terrifying. Anyway, we all shared that actually just to their day, we were talking about that. Terrifying. Terrifying.

Anyway, I wanna tell you guys about some of the value of having a massive family like myself, like myself. So I have such a huge family that I never run out of opportunities to come up with commercials for our response. Okay. Hey, you know, you should try out a real world of answers on them. I do.

I do. I saw you, you had a picture just from Easter of like the tire family. Oh yeah. You know, I saw you, you had a picture of just from Easter of like the, the tire family. Oh yeah. You know, it would be funny. Would be to draw a line in like what supplement they're all taking. Yeah.

See all the products. No, Easter we did it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We took it. Yeah. My grandma took a picture with just her grandkids and great grandkids.

So it wasn't even her kids. A huge picture. But anyway, my aunt, um, who she's been trying to figure out why she kind of gets dizzy, can't perform well, she gets headaches, and she's a registered dietitian, and I said, it sounds like you need more sodium. She's like, no, I get enough sodium or whatever. I think this, why don't you give it a shot or whatever. So I sent her some, I don't know, self-sell it.

No, I give it to her for free so she can buy it. Well, the perks would be really good. I give it to her for half off. So I sent it. Well, the perks would be really good. I give it to her for half off. So I sent her, I sell my clients. I sent her element. I sell my family all the time. I sent her element and it completely, that's it. All her issues were gone from that.

She's like, I didn't realize I wasn't having enough sodium. And I said, you know, you were brainwashed so hard by the medical industry. Did you say that? I did. But she knows it. Because you guys have, I mean, this is the ant that you've gone kind of back and forth with her.

In the past, for a long time, right? In the past. So she's now like, oh yeah, because she's now born. Not just me, but she's done it herself. She's seen herself, like how the recommendations are garbage. And they said, look at the studies on sodium.

And except for like special percentage of the, you know, people need more. That below two grams. It's crazy how demonized the salt has been. Dude, look at the studies on migraines in sodium and dizziness in sodium and all cause mortality in sodium. When you take out the special populations of people who are really sensitive or sick, it's like not only is two grams that recommendation too little,

it's actually bad to have that little for a lot of people. So she just added a packet, did her yoga class, and right away she texted me. She's like, totally gone. All of it gone. This is something she's been trying to figure out for years. That's great. That's awesome.

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he's literally been like just, he's a great voice of reason. And he's hilarious the way he does it. I've watched several interviews too when it gets on some of these political shows. Super sharp and witty. He is dude. He is, I know he's a bit of a word salad sometimes,

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I think as a beginner, you probably are gonna get the most out of load and reps. Tempo starts to become more important as you become a little bit more advanced. But the reason why I don't like questions like this. I don't like to, I don't even like that in the answer. Yeah, because now someone's gonna take that and just spread it.

Yeah, not only that, but I think I said this before in the past, like one of my favorite things to manipulate or focus on when I have a new client is tempo, not because I think it elicits the most gains, but because at that time in their journey, I think putting emphasis on the form, sharp and the mechanic. Yeah, it would a great way to sharpen it. By the way, I know that I'm also progressively overloading by slowing the tempo down.

So I do know that I'm eliciting some gains and some benefits from it. But more importantly, I'm really honing in on their mechanics on the exercise. And so I make that decision. Maybe if I would have loaded it with an extra 50 pounds, I could probably elicit more growth, but that's not the goal at that time. Yeah, I could say like in terms of order of operation, this isn't like, this is totally general advice, but I would, is I would take somebody and it would be more of a tempo driven, just because I'm so geared in looking technique and looking any kind of instability or something we need to address,

then I'm considering reps, because now we're just kind of working our way through those, that technique and we're practicing it, right? And the really the big emphasis is on the practice of it. I'm not, you know, quite loading it substantially yet. Now, after they master that, we're going into more of a heavier loading situation. I think that would be sort of my, I think a good way to put it is that progressive overload is what builds muscle. All of these can be used to increase, yeah, to progressively overload someone. So how does load increase progressive overload? That's an easy one, right? Add weight. How about reps? Well, yeah, reps. What about tempo? Well, taking exercise that you could do 10 reps with, slow it down. And slow it down. Now you can only do seven reps, right? And so now you've progressively

overload the body. So all of these are equally important. And some of them are more important than others depending on who I'm talking to. If I watch someone work out, I could tell which one is going to give them more bang for their buck. Right. And it can be different from person to person. Well, let's give examples. Okay. So let's say I take on a client. I've got, let's say, a female competitor.

She's actually really experienced. She's got great form and technique. But I noticed right away that she, you know, she tends to slow the tempo down and manipulate rep ranges more than anything else. And she's a bit afraid to load the bar. I'm gonna stretch her there. I'm gonna challenge her in that area because I know that that's an area

that she probably hasn't pushed and I know she's got more gas in the gas tank and that and we're gonna get more bang for our buck. So that's an example. Take another client who's brand new can't even do a bicep curl without rocking their elbows and shoulders. Like, I'm not gonna load the bar on that client anymore because their technique is so off.

I'm gonna focus on the tempo and slow it down so I can show them how to keep their shoulders in the fixed position and keep their elbows pinned by their side and I'm gonna teach mechanics. Meanwhile, knowing that I am also progressively overloading because I'm slowing the tempo down. So, it, I mean, it's going to be different for every client that you take on. Take, take somebody who's been powerlifting for years and actually competes at a very

high level. Reps. Have him trained with some higher reps. That's right. Right. Never seen 15, 20 rep range before. We had Stan Efferdinilus. Stan Efferdin was on the show.

He was very experienced as a powerlifter and wanted to get a pro card hired Flex Wheeler. And Flex Wheeler had him do 20 reps sets for lower body, which he'd never done before in his legs totally grew. So they're all a bit. They're all a bit changed based on the avatar that's in front of you. This is like saying, what's more important when you're making a cake? Eggs, milk, or flour? Or it's more like what's the best exercise for X?

Because that all changes based off of what that person has currently been doing, what that goal is, and so it's a bit nuanced to say what's more important. So what's most important is that all of these are tools in your tool belt, and if you're not using one of them, you're missing out on potential gains. Next question is from Aurora Madison. I can often grind out a few extra reps if I take a pause for two to five seconds between the last few reps of a set to catch my breath. Does that mean I am cheating and should just end the set when I start slowing down too much? No, you know what this is like.

It's like a respawn a little bit. Yeah, or yeah, resp, what you could call a respawn is cluster sets. This is a technique. Yeah. And I I think that great strategy to utilize this, but if that's how you train all the time, too much, every time you always work out and you never mix it up, or you don't give yourself any rest and you go right in the next rep, then you're missing out on gains.

So it doesn't mean you're cheating. So if that's a valid way to get new gains, potentially if you've listened to this and you've never done that. doesn't mean you're cheating. So that's a valid way to get new gains potentially. If you've listened to this and you've never done that. Well, yeah. And if you're seeking an adaptation more of like muscle endurance and you're doing more supersetting, obviously, you know, that's not the focus.

So at that point, you kind of go till you feel like you have to stop. And so if you have to pause and then do more reps, it does sort of defeat the purpose in that setting. Yeah, I actually hate the term cheating and exercise sense. And it comes from, I guess, competition, like if you're a power lifter, there's a certain technique. And if you're outside that technique, then they won't give you the green light. And they'll say it doesn't qualify. So like if you're bench pressing, your butt comes off the bench, well, that's cheating.

It's a bad lift. Really. It's just a better technique, better applications of you know methods and worse. So is it or different or different? Sticking with your intention going into. Yeah, but there's better or worse like you could do like keeping pull-ups and that's a style of pull-up But is as effective as a strict pull-up generally speaking. No, it's better for people when I learn I do keeping pull ups, but not for most people. This is just like you guys said, it's a technique. I think it's a great way to increase intensity. I don't think you should do this all the time. For most people, it should be too much intensity if applied on a regular basis.

In my opinion, if you're advanced and everything else is going good, I think this will be great to add maybe every other week to squeeze out the intensity, but doing on a regular basis and you'll probably hit a wall pretty quick. Next question is from Guy Petagrew. What is the value in picking exercises that train muscles in the shortened and lengthened positions? Yeah, strength curve. Yeah, well, so the value is this.

Okay, there's a pretty, the body adapts pretty specifically when it comes to strength, meaning if I get good at an exercise, uh, that loads my bicep with the most weight in a shortened position, um, then the type of strength I'm going to gain is going to be most applicable in a similar way. So a lot of the strength gains are going to come in that shortened position. So a lot of the strength gains are gonna come in that shortened position. If I load it, if I do an exercise where the load is heaviest in the stretch position,

same thing. So the reason why bodybuilders train with lots of angles and different extra, like you think to yourself, like why do five exercises for your biceps, why not just do the same exercise as many sets. Instead of doing 15 sets with five different exercises, why don't you do 15 sets of one exercise, all the biceps, what's the difference? Well, the difference is this, is the adaptation is quite specific. Some exercises load in the short and some exercises load in the lengthened elbow position

matters, hand position matters, because of the specificity of the adaptation. So this is true for any exercise. So they're both valuable, you should probably do both. Yeah, I like to just pay attention, especially like, I like talking about this with bicep and tricep, right? Your arms is in a workout, I try and make sure I include both, right? Something in the short and something in the length

and in a workout like that. At the very least, you should be aware if you're always training in one or the other because to your point about, it's a specific adaptation. There's massive value there. If you're always training in the short and position, you're always training in the length and position to make sure you include the other.

And I think people actually unintentionally do this and then they think that there was something magical about a specific exercise. For example, like if you always do like all these cable push downs and like school crushers and so that and all of a sudden someone's like, Oh, you never do dumbbell overhead extensions and then you do them and you're like your triceps pull up and you're like, you think also and there's something magical about the overhead triceps. Well, maybe it was less about the overhead triceps extension magical, and it's that you never train your triceps in The completely lengthened position like that, and there's tremendous value doing it

And it's a total different stimulus compared to all those other tricep exercises that you were doing. Yeah, and you're just able to build, you know, Fuller You have more opportunity to build muscle in that lengthened position more opportunity to build muscle in that length and position. And also to from a functional perspective, like if we train too much in a shortened, and that's our entire goal to hit that peak of the muscle, you know, what is that going to do in terms of my overall movement potential and what I'm, you know, what I'm able to do in terms of like functionality. So like I'm strongest just in this one small portion of range of motion versus like now I get in an extended position and you know I'm not able to stabilize properly.

Like I'm opening myself to be vulnerable to a tear or you know like your bias can respond negatively. Yeah. So here's a good example of what we're talking about. Let's say you took two twins. So same exact identical genetics. So identical twins, and they also lived in identical lifestyle. Eight the same, slept the same, same stress. Everything was identical. One person only did leg press. The other person only did barbell squats.

Well, the person who only did leg press is going to be stronger than their brother at the leg press, but the person who did squats all the time is going to be stronger at the squats than the brother who did leg press is going to be stronger than their brother at the leg press. But the person who did squats all the time is going to be stronger at the squats than the brother who did leg press because of the specificity of these types of adaptations. So the theory was, which has been proven, that if you do multiple exercises, you're going to derive better benefits than if you just do one exercise or only strengthen something in a shortened or length and position. So that's the value. So there's value in both positions.

There's value in mid-range positions too. Some exercises don't load the muscle heavily and the stretch or the shortened positions, really in the mid-range position. Those are also valuable. You want to train with multiple angles. Next question is from Ricky Bobby 01. What are the best lower body exercises for older people with osteopenia in the legs?

So osteopenia is before osteoporosis. This is when you start to see bone loss or bone weakness before it becomes, it starts to get really, really bad, okay? And to be clear, any kind of strength training for the lower body will build the bone, just like it builds muscle. Anything that builds muscle builds bone. Muscle anchors to bone.

If the muscle is under more stress, then the bone is under more stress and the bone strengthens. And nothing has been shown, nothing, has come close to strength training for strengthening bone. So to be clear, any exercise will be great. Now I'm going to speak more generally in my experience working with older people with lower body weakness and osteopenia. One of my favorite exercises, mainly because most of them could kind of do it.

And so we could right away get into, you know, strengthening was pushing a sled. Pushing a sled was so appropriate for, first of all, it's an exercise I could do with advanced people. And so when I would have a complete, like, an older person, as long as they could walk, right? So not someone who had a walker or whatever, but someone who could walk, I would have a sled. I wouldn't load it at all. So it'd be a little bit of resistance. And they would just push it across the grass and it would provide enough resistance for them. That would be, and it was just,

it didn't require a ton of skill. I don't have to like take them through this technique curve of learning the technique and stuff like that. And then we would see strengthening happening, you know, right away. So that's one of my favorite things. I love that answer and not what I was thinking because I was trying to take myself back to those types of clients that I train and what do we try and do and it does. So, and where did I have to regress and start them?

I love like, you know, split stance, unilateral, like a stationary lunge is what I recall doing a lot where I'd have like a, I'd put a pad for their knee to come down to. I had a lot of times I'd have to assist them where they were like holding my hands or they had something by their side. Tear X, or TRX straps.

Something to kind of help them stabilize. And that is how we started. And then a goal was to get rid of them holding on to anything. And then could they actually stabilize themselves and then eventually do something like a very small step up, you know, and then I could gradually increase the step up over time and stuff.

Although in this pursuit of, can I get this person enough stability and strength to be able to do a bar? That's the, like, and that would be, by the way, like that's like a huge celebration. Forget body fat, this, whatever, like that's like, man, and I would, in my presentation, that's what I would be telling her. She sat down with me and she goes, this is what I have going on. This is what the doctor told me.

He says, I need to strengthen my lower body. I'd say, great. These are the type of movements that we're going to start with for these reasons. But our goal is, and what will be a huge win, if we can get to a point where I can load you, and we can do a barbell back squat, that is going to be an amazing day when we get there. And then that would be the goal is to like, let's start progressing the direction. 100%. I mean, again, but I love the sled is like the most great answer. It's like, it's super easy. like literally almost anybody could get start with that the super light sled You just push it across small steps doesn't have to be big very low-risk you know cuz you just let go and it's like No no more demand if you feel anything kind of like affecting the joints at all

And so it's it that's a fantastic exercise that most people should be doing totally now I love if you do that because that's so concentric focused I would like couple that so let's just pretend because obviously you go that direction because this person is incredibly like yeah They're older with osteophenies. Yeah, they can't do hardly anything so they can't do the other ones I talked about that person I could see myself pushing the sled and then actually doing like an eccentric sit down squat Yep, where I would stand in front of her, she would hold my hands and I'd want her to lower herself as slow as she could down to the chair.

And then you get back up. Lower down to the chair. That's exactly what I was looking at. So now I'm getting the benefits of the eccentric portion of strengthening her lower body and then I'm also getting the positive from the concentric on the leg. But I will say this when you just get started,

just do one. It's really easy to do it. Right, right, right. will say this when you just get started, just do one. It's really easy to do it. Right, right, right, no, yeah. Thank you, push the slide. Great point, like that would be a different session. Totally. So if she's never trained anything, sled pushing for a session is like enough,

that's what it's gonna listen to something. And then the next time we might pull this, dragging the sled, too, obviously. That's right, right. Look, if you like, mind pump, head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out out our guides we have guides that can help you with almost any health or fitness goal you can also find all of us on social media

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