Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2091: Why Cardio Is Terrible for Fat Loss, What to Do When Heavy Lifting Causes Joint Pain, How to Work Out With a Hip Injury & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: June 7, 2023

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Cold water therapy is anti-depressive! (2:27) Social justice warriors. (8:58) Max is SO Adam’s son. (18:21) Mind Pump gets nostalgic. (22:01) Knowledge without wisdom is bad. (25:31) The awkwardness of tipping culture. (39:32) The tremendous value of working in retail or at a restaurant. (43:39) The drunkest cities in America. (50:02) Vuori is the KING of athleisure wear. (53:00) Trends making a comeback. (55:00) Shout out to The First Tycoon: The Epic Life of Cornelius Vanderbilt, a book by T.J. Stiles. (1:04:14) #ListenerLive question #1 - How can I train with a right hip labral tear? (1:05:49) #ListenerLive question #2 - What is the best program to do after Symmetry? I will be traveling a lot this summer and will have access to limited equipment. (1:18:15) #ListenerLive question #3 - At what point should you start cardio when you want to cut? (1:22:46) #ListenerLive question #4 – How should I approach the heavy lifting phases in your MAPS programs when it just seems to hurt me? (1:35:23) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Visit The Cold Plunge for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump Listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout for $150 off your order** Visit Vuori Clothing for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! June Promotion: MAPS Cardio or Summer Shredded Bundle or the Bikini Bundle 50% off! **Code JUNE50 at checkout** Siberian kids believe pouring a bucket of cold water in icy cold temperatures keeps them healthy Elon Musk's Neuralink wins FDA approval for human study of brain Menu — EL HALAL AMIGOS 20 drunkest cities in America Visit State & Liberty for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code PUMP10 at checkout for 10% off** NASA will study crater made by rocket crash on moon The Founder Hour | Podcast The First Tycoon: The Epic Life of Cornelius Vanderbilt – Book by T.J. Stiles Visit NED for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Mind Pump #2005: How To Incorporate Isometric Training Into Your Routine MAPS Symmetry   MAPS Fitness Anywhere Reverse Dieting 101   Why Cardio Is TERRIBLE For Long-Term Fat Loss - YouTube Mind Pump #1987: How To Burn Fat & Build Muscle At The Same Time Do You Have Back Or Shoulder Pain? YOU NEED TO TRY THIS! MAPS Prime Webinar Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Arthur Brooks (@arthurcbrooks) Instagram Jordan Peterson (@jordan.b.peterson) Instagram Christian Guzman (@christianguzmanfitness) Instagram Layne Norton, Ph.D. (@biolayne) Instagram Justin Brink DC (@dr.justinbrink) Instagram  

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Teacher time. And it's teacher time. Oh shit, you know it's my favorite time of the week. We have five winners this week, two for Apple podcasts, three for Facebook, the Apple podcast winners are Katelyn 0419 and K-Morg. And for Facebook, we have Heather Marie Harrington, Patrick O'Daniel and Amanda Tutterrow.

All five of you are winners. Send the name I just read to iTunes at mindputmedia.com include your shirt size and your shipping address and we'll get that shirt right out to you. Exposing your body to cold water has a lot of benefits. Here's one of them. It has anti-depressive and anti-anxiety effects. In fact, studies show it may be as effective or maybe even more effective than classic SSRI

drugs for mild to moderate forms of both depression and anxiety. No joke, cold water therapy, antidepressant, it actually makes you feel better in the long term. But, Sal, it's done your ability to build muscle. God. There's really only one negative in its shrinkage. Yeah.

Everything else positive. That's right. Just as it makes me more depressed, I don't know what I mean. Oh, no, so muscle building, that's the funny thing. No, not if you use it right and if you work out more and if you do it separately for him to work out, so that's stupid. That's just a social media, I guess hook or whatever. So don't worry about that.

No, it's got effects on the body to reduce anxiety and depression and there's studies that show that's more effective in some cases in those drugs. And you talk about the side effects, right? Oh, you might build less muscle if you do it right after your workout or whatever. There's no side effects SSRIs. Right.

Like erectile dysfunction, weight gain, all that stuff. No, it's crazy. I mean, two- Okay, so do you think, obviously, I it's crazy. I mean, do you think, okay, so do you think, obviously, I think both play a role, like do you think there's something to do with it? It's like what's happening on a chemical level or about your body's hormonal response to the stress and the water?

Or do you think it's simply, you know, talking about like depression, right? Like how, like just like how it works with weight lifting, I think a lot of it has to do with just doing hard shit. And choosing to do it. Yeah, choosing to do something hard, getting through it and accomplishing it, the value is there is like,

so like when you've seen that, I mean, obviously you've shared the studies with weight lifting and how it's effects. I would think that that's very similar to what it is. The benefit you're getting from it. It's both. Yeah, I mean, it really just builds your resistance or your resilience towards hard things.

Yeah, that come your way. So that's like, yeah, that's, I mean, there has to be like a massive value to that because I know that even from like, expending a lot of like a crazy cardiovascular effort, like for me, like getting all that energy out, like it helps, you know, the rest of the day from you actually relax and chill.

Yeah, I know it's both. It's both. So you'll produce, feel good chemicals. You'll, your, your CNS, your sympathetic nervous system responds to cold water immersion by actually relaxing. You actually get some fat burning effects by the way. There's some, some metabolism boosting effects by the way. There's some metabolism boosting effects from doing this on a regular basis where your basal metabolic rate goes up a little bit if you do this on a regular basis. I don't think it's this

huge effect, but it's a nice selling point. How much of the whole brown fat? That's a conversion, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, so brown fat is a thermogenic active form of fat that's used to heat up the body. It's a type of fat that you tend to burn. The white fat's much sticks around and exposing your body to cold converts some of that white fat to brown fat, which is kind of interesting.

But I don't like to sell the fat burning effects too much because people get weird about that and it's a minor effect. It's not gonna affect you like in your life. It's like how why we don't use that for the intermittent fasting, even though it can be a positive side effect, that oh, because you intermittent fast, you also got some, you burn fat

because you ate less calories and there's benefits to it, but I don't think selling it for that reason is a good idea either. So it happens to be another positive side effect. You know what's interesting about this is, as I was reading about the history of cold water immersion, a good idea either. So it happens to be another positive side effect. You know what's interesting about this is as you, I was reading about the history of cold water immersion. It goes back thousands of years.

Yeah. Like the Greeks and the, you know, I mean, one of our founding fathers, Thomas Jefferson, you support his feet and freezing water every morning and would talk about the health benefits. But yeah, it goes way back, and it's been used in multiple cultures,

and the purported effects or benefits back then, they would talk about invigorates the body, makes you resilient to illness or sickness, calms the nerves. This is what they were saying hundreds of years ago, or thousands of years ago, when they used it. And what's cool about that is you have, it's time tested and because it's present in so many different cultures that didn't communicate with each other, you know there's some truth

there. Right. If they all kind of discovered this on their own, then there's probably some truth in kind of what's going on. And also, this used to be a Western medicine prescription for anxiety. Did you guys know that? Really? Yeah. Early, early Western medicine days, if. Did you guys know that? Yeah.

Early, early Western medicine days, if you were anxious, they'd have you splash cold water on your face. Really? Yeah. Cause they find that it helps reduce anxiety. Isn't that interesting? That is interesting. No, we don't do that anymore because, you know,

we have drugs. I know we've brought it up, but I still am fascinated by, is it in Russia where they have the kids go outside? Yeah, no, just roll around in there to You know interrupt their their day maybe does confine that on YouTube were Russian school children playing I know so I wanted to do this with Max and I just could I lost you know there's certain Battles you just lose with the wife no matter how smart you are Just a road in the snow nature. Well, you know what it inspired me was actually

Kyle's son. Oh yeah. You remember that he's never given him a warm bath? He's never had a warm bath. He had, he had, he had cold water from day one and they would go out in the ocean in winter time and his kid would be like totally fine. He adapted to it. It was no big deal and I thought, man,

this is, but boy, Katrina would not, she would not go for it. Yeah, there's something to that. I remember, because the ocean in Santers is really cold. If you're not used to it and like, when I was a kid, it was no problem. I could be in there all day long. And as an adult, I'm like, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, really like tockers coach yourself up. Yeah, no, you know, and also in Russia, they have a practice of when they do bathe their kids They finish the bathing with the cold rinse So wow, what is that nursery children standing in the snow throw ice cold water Over their own bodies look at that. That's awesome. That's gangster. It's an old practice. You know, it's been around for a long time Yeah, isn't that crazy? Could you imagine by the way way, real quick, could you imagine? You saw that here. In American school doing this, the lawsuits.

Oh God, that they had. You made my kids do what? Triggered! Yeah. No, it was out. You should teach them how to masturbate. What do we do here in America? Yeah, yeah.

It would have to be, dude. Are you, this stuff that's going on with Target right now? Oh boy. How much do they lose in the market cap? 99 billion. And it's still going down You know why? Because they fucked with moms. That's why that's the big consumer right there

Yeah, that's what moms do. I mean, I really don't understand this pattern with businesses Like if you see a business like lose a huge amount of money like why repeat the pattern Well, I feel like the the part where I thought went really far was like the Satan thing too. Just like, like, it's what, it's one, it's one thing to kind of make the huge aisle and, and the rainbow thing and all the tucks up, which is already like, that was already kind of established, you know, like the rainbow stuff and like, you know, the pride, but like they, they just escalated it to, to the nth degree. Yeah, well, so, we're going to go seek out, like, if all the companies in, in the world, the type of guy who's like, well, so. Yeah, we're gonna go seek out all the companies in the world.

Except the guy who's like, he's like, let's go find a guy out of the country who is a self-proclaimed satanist who makes these pride clothes and let's put it in our targets toward, like that's just weird to me. Yeah, well, so, you know,

cause you gotta imagine, okay, so here's, my opinion on this is always like we're a market-based society. So you want to sell something? The market will tell you if it's a good idea or bad idea. But there's plenty of things that are sold in the market that do well that I don't disagree with, that I don't agree with. I mean, we sell shit that is unhealthy, that's terrible, that does well.

So I'm not saying that it's good or bad that the market says yes or no. All I'm saying is you're free to try and then see what the market says. Okay, so that being said, what's interesting to me. Well, that's what it doesn't make sense to me. Yes, like these companies are getting hammered for going too hard in this direction. There's no demand there. Well, it's coming from, it feels like it's coming

from something else. It is. It's nothing to do with a consumer. Has everything to do with the shareholders in ESG stuff? There you go. That is what they're trying to appease that. Has nothing, you don't have to be, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know as bud light,

what your consumer probably is. You don't have to be like to know what target is. Yeah. It has nothing to do with that. It has to do with the ESG bullshit. And, and then trying to score points with the shareholders. Yeah, that's, I mean, but you know, that's a way, that's a very, that's a way of controlling the market

from the top because our markets are relatively free. Government can't go in or whatever and say, you have to sell this or that. So they kind of found this like sideways way of doing it. Yeah, what scares me is when we start to see some weird bailouts or weird assistance from the government because of the SGS course, that's what's gonna trip me out is when you see like, oh, we can't let target collapse or fail.

And so, oh, and they have a nine out of 10 ESG scores. I knew what I was talking about bailouts. And so they come in and even if it's not like a full on bailout, they come in with support somehow. Listen, here's this is apart from me like I look I'm very pro live your life Don't hurt anybody. It's all good. I have to agree with you. That's it bottom line. I've always been that way And I've always will be that way. I don't have to agree with you I don't have to like you don't get hurt anybody stealing anything or damaging someone's property Yeah, like do your thing my morality is based off of my own beliefs

and that kind of stuff. And if you're nice to me, I'm gonna be nice to you. I've always been that way, okay? Here's the strangeness of all of this, okay? These are little kids clothing, and the little kids clothing are proclaiming sexual preferences. It would be strange, I would think this is just a strange. If I put on my two year old boy,

a shirt that says, I love girls. Or. It's right, right. Yeah, you're two. You're two. You know what that is? It's not the kids. The kids don't want that fucking,

those messages. It's the parents putting, like they're showing on their kids. Here's my kid, check it out. Here's my view on my kid. Yeah, so, and so parents who are very, by the way, target shoppers are, especially in places like California,

and we're seeing backlash even here, parents are like, listen, this is enough. That's enough with the kids, that's all they're saying. Is activism ever gonna calm down? No, that's all I wanna know. No. It's too beneficial politically. Well, activism changed from helping people to just being angry.

Yeah, it's just angry, upset, nobody's having a good time. That's all I see, and it's like, I don't know, man, and it's so crammed in society. Culturally, we're just getting inundated from every angle. It's like, well, the best is live your life. I mean, the best thing that we can do is to vote with our dollar, right? I mean, I think, I mean, I did that with the year in the NBA.

I mean, for someone who's such an avid viewer, I for a year took off of watching the NBA because they went so heavy in the social justice department and it was just like, I don't, I don't know. It's funny, but you know what? And here's the thing too, like, and this is, because I'm like you in this way, I don't, I don't know what's funny about that. And you know what, and here's the thing too, like, and this is, cause I'm like you in this way. So I was like, I'm not the type of person

who's gonna make this massive stink and talk all, and I'm like, be all crazy about it. It's like, hey, if someone asked, if you asked me about it, I'll tell you, I'm not choosing not to watch it. Like, I don't, I don't wanna watch it. I wanna support it right now because I don't like the messaging that's going on there.

I'm like, I love basketball and maybe, and what happened was they changed. After a year of that and viewership dropping down dramatically, now they've pulled all that stuff out. And so, here's the part of that that pisses me off. The part of that was that at the time, now you're not gonna hear this because now everybody knows. But back then, oh, you're not against racism.

Oh, you must be racist. No, no, no're not against racism. Oh, you must be racist. No, no, no. We knew early on that the organization BLM was a fricking grift. It was bullshit. It was not what they said it was. Predatory, yeah. We know now, for a fact, that's exactly what they were.

You see that they're bankrupt, and they're paying themselves millions of dollars, and they do a sell, they're grifting on, they attach to something, and all these people who are manipulated or just want to do good, go out, and they take it so they're grifting on, they attach to something and all these people who are manipulated or just wanna do good, go out and they take advantage of them, and then the NBA, like all organizations, they just wanna appear to be a particular way,

not necessarily be a particular way. And so that's what they did. And people who are hip to it were like, no, I'm not gonna support this, I know that organization is doing, they're not helping anybody. Well, I told Katrina, I said, for the month of,

for all, from now, all the way through the month of June, we're not shopping at all at Target. And I think if enough people make the, you just that statement in that move, I think that's enough to, and Target's already backpedaling, you know, they already called an emergency meeting

and they're already trying to pivot right now. And so I think if the people that agree with that, I think just by simply voting with your dollars and not spending money there for, most people I know shop multiple times in target every single month, one month of you not shopping there and everybody collected a dealer that agrees with that, it will make a huge debt in a business like that.

In 2008, that's when Obama was elected, I believe. 2008, there wasn't a single politician that supported gay marriage because it was not popular enough publicly for a politician to come out and support it. Okay, I marched in support of the law to allow people to get married because I didn't think it was a religious thing. I said, if this is government, and government is saying two adults can get married, then they should be able to apply that to everybody. I marched for that.

And that's between adults. And I supported it. And I still support people living the way they want. And again, even if I disagree with it or whatever, I support it 100%. But when you start to oversexualize shit and go in directions that are just inappropriate, I have an uncle who's,

I mean, he's my grandfather's generation. Okay. He's lived with the same partner for years. He's gay. Nobody cares. My family. We love him. He's a great guy.

You know, he stopped going to some of these parades because he's like, bro, he goes, people are bringing the kids to these, and these are hyper sexualized. Yeah. He goes, that's inappropriate. People are all naked in shit. Yeah.

And little kids are there, he goes, he's like, this isn't appropriate. He goes, and I remember him telling me years ago, he goes, If they don't stop this, they're gonna get people to lose support. Just because of that. That's what's happening.

This is not how they're now back to what you said about, we know, BLM with the NBA. People are gonna paint this as homophobic, transphobic, hating people. It's not, it's not that. It's, they're going too far with how they're slowly, you know, indoctrinating and sexualizing.

And it's like, If you don't draw a line, it's just like, it's press further. It's just like the same bullshit with the COVID vaccine. You can't, if you were somebody who decided not to take that, you were an anti-vaccine. Everything. It's like, wait a second, it took the other seven.

It took seven other ones, it just chose not to take that one. Like, fuck off, it doesn't You were an anti-vaxxer. Everything. Wait a second. I took the other seven. I took seven other ones. I just chose not to take that one. Like fuck off. This is making you an anti-vaxxer because you passed on the... I live in the grain, the nuance. You know, like people just don't want to take the time to like really discuss all the details of all these stuff.

I do believe more, I do believe the majority it actually does aside and agree with you. I do. I think most people are in that space. I think, but I also think that a lot of people are just not, they don't have a lot of voice. I think they're easily manipulated. They blow like the wind.

Or they're afraid of appearing, because if you make everything black and white, if you don't support this, then you're this evil person, they're afraid. And they're like, well, I guess I'm not that. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to.

I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I might not like me. Look, I've said this before and I'll say it again. The least interesting thing about someone is their sexuality and gender. I want to know, are you a good person? What do you into? What do you like to read?

What do you feel? That kind of stuff. Who you're attracted? That's not the interesting amount, Karen. Yeah, I don't care about that. I agree. Well, I have more controversial stuff. Before I get into controversial stuff. Yeah, because Doug's over there now.

Give, let's sweatin' into chair. Loosen up as it's sweatin' because his butt cheeks for a second here. So listen, yeah guys, that's not, so the other day I was talking about our kids and I'm in this weird, I don't know, maybe you guys can help me process this on how I should feel about it. But I don't ever want to come off as that dad when asked about his his son like I have like the perfect kid, you know saying like and because deep down I kind of feel like that. I'm like god. I got a really good kid You know and when we when I talk to other parents and they're like fuck my kids this and that and so like I'm on this mission

Like I'm gonna find all the things about my kid that shitty so I could share So I'm like I've been like thinking in that in that space because I'm like he's such a good fucking kid and I don't I got bad news for what about that. Well,'m like he's such a good fucking kid. And I don't have a bad news for you. And what about that? Well, so there's a saying in, and I think it's the sewing culture that if they're like a great little kid, they're gonna be at an awful team.

They're in an awful team. Yeah, I see the teams, they'll see this. And maybe I'll try to make them a little shit in our way with that. But anyways, I just know that there's gotta be parents that are like eye rolling when I talk about maximum. Oh, yeah, sure. It's perfect.

Yeah, it's so easy, right? So I'm like, okay, so I had a moment yesterday where he was a little shit. And I'm like, okay, I got to share this so people know that he's not a perfect kid. He does these little, he's a little shit head. I also see myself in these moments, which is also quite comical, right? So I'm home earlier than normal yesterday. And so Max is not home from school yet. And coach, and he says you want to go with me to pick him up. And I'd love to go pick him up because it's a surprise for him when I come. I never come really.

And so I pick him up. He's all excited. I get out of the car and come get him and put him in his car seat. So that, you know, they could treat him have their little routine. Like he gets in the he gets in his car seat. She hands him the first snack. He gets it. Then he gets the second snack. And then he's got his music that he gets to listen to. No, I'm driving, right? So I get no routine. So I get I get them and stuff like that. He does have a snack. He says and Katrina hands him a snack and her and I are kind of like we're having adult talk. We're talking and I have like like light country music in the background. He's like mommy mommy play play afro and he's in that phase right now where he listens to like one or two

songs over and over and over and over. And terrible songs are like not even real songs like it's a dude cut night joe you know me. Yes, it's like some of it's it's Afro Afro Jack from Madagascar it's like the worst song ever right. It's like a circus song or whatever it's like awful. And it's like it's you know it's traffic time getting home and so it's going to take us a good 15 20s at home and he home. And he's asking for right away.

And I'm like, eat your snacks first. And then I'll, and then I'll, and then I'll, and then I'll play it, right? And he just, he deaf ears me. Mommy, play AfroJer like just, just mommy play AfroJer. And I pick my, I'm driving. I'm looking at him in the river. I mean, I pick my phone up.

The daddy's driving today. It's on my, it's on my phone. I'll play it when you finish your snacks. Knowing I got two snacks to get through the, maybe I could buy like 15 minutes, right? Stahl, stahl, right? So you could see him just eating a snack and he's like, oh, he's like, oh, yeah, yeah, he's like, he's like, fuming about it, right? And so there's like silence in the car for like two minutes.

And he's like angry and he's eating his things and I go, Hey, how was school today, Max ignoring me. I say, Max, did you, did you play with your, did you, did you play with your friends today? Ignore me eating a snack. Like that. Earth to Max, Max, Earth to Max. And then finally Katrina is a max.

Daddy is talking to you right now. And then he gets just like angry face and starts to cry. He's like, I'm eating my crackers. I can't talk when I eat. That's so, that's so, that's so, that's so, that's so, that's so, that's so, that's I can't talk when I eat Shit I can't talk when I eat as the food to his mouth and he's talking and he's like crying about his little his little protest Oh, it was a little protest, you know like oh you little shit I'll play your goddamn music, dude

I do have like a guilty pleasure though like I have like a terrible song that I grew up as a kid, like that, I think it stuck with me forever. Be interesting if you guys have one, but it's called popcorn. And it's like the worst thing to do. Oh, I know, I'm not just, I remember that too. I remember that too.

I remember that too. I used to just, like, when that would come on, I just bust out of dance. We, hold on, did you guys have to dance to it in elementary school? Did a guy come to your school? Have you guys country dance? Oh my God, I don't remember that.

No, I don't know about that, but we did have a guy that would play a lot of folk songs and all that that would come to my class. I wanna say sixth grade, some dude came, Mr. Penny. I don't know, how I remember his name. And he came out and he had us all dance. Mr. Duncan, that was mine. Really?

And he would have us do, what's it called when you hook arms and turn? What's that country? Like Dosey Doe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we had to learn these dances, and popcorn was one of the songs. I remember popcorn.

I remember the song too. See, that's my jam. You guys remember popcorn on the phone? I do. That's how you call a number. Yeah, you call a number. 1-800 popcorn. Is that what it was?

1-800 popcorn? I think it was just popcorn. Or just popcorn. Yeah, so. Is that that what it was one 800 popcorn. I think it was just or just popcorn Yeah, so is that still worked Doug? I don't know So people don't know back in the day numbers had letters associated with them So like one was like ABC to was whatever and if you dialed popcorn Yeah, yeah, do no no no Daylight time is dude dude. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, and that's how we get the time. I think you can still do that

I did that not I did that time later. I think you can still do that. I did that not, I did that. It's a time later. I did what's been a long time. Do you also remember this? Okay, you've never been all nostalgia. You remember to get movie times? Yes. You'd have to call the movie theater

and then it was a recording and you get to listen. You can go through all of it. Hey, you're so, you're in my heart. You're moving by the coming and your buddy's talking to you. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, Oh, fuck, I missed the time. Yeah, listen to the whole thing again. It's not, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm blah, blah, blah. Oh, fuck, I missed the time. Yeah, listen to the whole thing again. It's not over. We all piss a room like like 20 minutes just to get to that.

I hate that. I used to get all creative on the answering machines, you know, for the house. Yeah, because my dad gets so pissed, because like, you know, his friends would call whatever, and I'd make some like really stupid, you know, recording that like would, I don't know. I still, I'm still in the picture.

Like that, I did that, my last, before the one I have right now on my phone, the last one was like, hello? Oh, you're not the kid that does that? Hello? Yeah. I don't know. Oh, God, me.

Oh. I mean it or not. You don't like, because you are not alone. Anybody else that's ever done that, I get to you every time. Every time. Every time it gets you cuz it's their voice Remember three way calling when you would get a line back in the party lines party line. Yeah, do you guys ever do this?

We're like a chick thing, huh? You never did three way calling really even had two friends. Oh, yeah Hey, dude, I'm gonna be here cool see that This is our phone. Hey, dude. I'm gonna be here. Cool. See that You so manly You don't even talk You're right. You're right. I was on three. I call like yeah, I need where you watch right now Really did oh, I got to blank it on just to be people up for talking We're not manly bully. No, we would do, I'm talking.

We would do three way calling and you ever do this where you call a friend, you say, hey, don't say anything. And then you call the other guy and then you say something so they say some shit that your friend, I'm gonna lie, bro. Oh, no, I told you. That's bad right there. That is some shit right there. It's like you said somebody up like that.

No, we didn't do that. We would do something like, hey, do you think you could beat up someone? So, yeah, I think I could take them. Maybe like, I'm right here, bro. I can organize it in my house. Oh, you're a fucker. Yeah, I'm a fight. Somebody try to do that.

All right, so the controversial stuff. Yeah, what do you think about? Back in Neuralink. Oh, that's not that controversial. What do you mean, that's that controversial? That's crazy. That's not gonna give us canceled, but it is cool. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, no, I mean, controversial as far as like, you know, should we do this or not do this? Not like we're gonna do us canceled, but it is cool. Yeah, I mean, controversial as far as like, you know, should we do this or not do this? Not like we need to cancel for talking about it. So they just got FDA approval for human trials. Right. Human trials of this. So essentially it's gonna create an interface

between the brain and computers or the internet. So you could think and search or think. So I heard the first, when the first features already is you'll be able to save memories and replay them. Oh, really? You didn't read that? No, because I know they're targeting the paraplegic. Yes, yes, yes, that's kind of life. That's the entry point. Yeah, because, you know, that's something that, if you can solve that. So here's my, and that's why I got FDA approved, is because that could be life changing. Right, right. And that 100% I'm pro that, but obviously this is the slippery slope. Right, right.

Now, yeah, we've got to talk about all of the snowball stuff. Think about how we manipulate people through social media. Now imagine, it's connected directly to people's brains. Right, yeah. Okay, so here's my thoughts on it. We're already entering into a weird time, and it's almost like, what's that, what's that old saying? If you can't beat them, join them. It's like, how are we going to potentially compete with AI or counter AI? Well, I guess we're going to have to combine with AI in order to do it because if you stay

on the cyborg, because if we remain analog, we're screwed. That's kind of how I feel about it. It's like, well, I guess it's inevitable. I mean, what else are you going to do? Yeah. Like, you're going to have to like, I mean, if it's at that level, I mean, I guess it's inevitable. I mean, what else are you gonna do? Yeah. You're gonna have to like, I mean, if it's at that level, I mean, I think it's, Rob and his cloud were at our age where we're at, at a point in our lives where we've, like I can just check out. I'm cool.

You got kids, dude. Our kids are gonna be down. Well, that's the rate, the only part of my race right now is and make sure that he's set up. That's what you're saying. So he doesn't have to do it, dude. You're something. You're something you're gonna come home. You're gonna talk to him, like, oh set up. That's what you're saying. So he doesn't have to do it too. You're something.

You're something you're going to come home. You're going to talk to him like, oh, you're so slow and boring, dad. Or, you know, why I say like, what are you doing? Are you listening to me? Yeah, I'm checking my emails at the same time and I'm talking to my friend, but it's okay. I can process all this.

Well, there's always a dark side to anything good like that, right? Like it's huge. There's, you're so much more vulnerable if you're, if you're the one of those early adopters, especially, and people are going to try to find ways of hacking in and manipulating. It's just, to me, I want to maintain this autonomy, this control of my own thoughts, my own minds.

It just scares me. So the argument is you'll have control over it. You have full control. Yeah, yeah. Here's what I see, and more to your point. But you're feeding in the internet. You don't think you get manipulated by that. So I'm less agreeable.

I'm more agreeable. It's more going to be like what I think Sal, where Sal is going with this, is that here's what's going to happen is, because just like we already see where people are making these eyeballs that they can see like a telescope and you have hearing that's like, you already have people that are hacking their bodies like this already. So there's definitely going to be fringe people that adopt this right away, right? That don't need it for whatever reason.

Where this is going to get crazy is when that does give them an incredibly competitive edge. And then the others will have to force themselves to decide if you are you going to are in order to compete if you want to be a high performing CEO you want to be a top surgeon you want to be the best marketer programmer it's like in and you're getting your ass kicked by the guy who's got the neural link and you have to decide if I want to compete for that job or be a part of this I've got to adopt it or I'm gonna imagine someone's a cocaine I gotta get on cocaine no imagine someone right now trying to build a business

who refuses to be on the internet to use smartphone. That's right, to do any of that stuff. Yeah, and he's like, that's old, that's crazy, the internet's gonna kill all of that. Oh, I'm gonna be, I'm gonna only do it this way. Yeah, good luck. Yeah, I mean, that's gonna be really hard. You might be able to do something,

but you ain't gonna build a business. So that's the position that, that's how I feel. Now here's the scare. Here's the fear. Yeah, there'll be justifications for that. Here's the fear that people, I don't think a lot of people are talking about.

Knowledge without wisdom is bad. Dangerous. Very dangerous. Lots of knowledge without wisdom turns into some really nasty, bad stuff. There's a reason why you acquire knowledge as you get older and Not just get it all when you're a child

Because look what that ends up turning into look at a teenager teenagers have a lot of knowledge oftentimes As much knowledge as an adult But they have zero the wisdom and how do teenagers behave right? So that's gonna be the fear so all of a sudden I know everything, but I don't have any experience, I don't have any wisdom around it. Boy, that'll be an interesting place. Yeah, yeah, I don't know, man. But I guess I start probably the most... What's the opposite of optimistic, right?

That's optimistic. So if you have to, you know what though? Here's the barrier. They have to, they have to, you have to put it in your brain. That's gonna prevent a lot of people from doing. Nobody wants to put anything in their brain. Oh, I, I, I see this rolling out is exactly what I just said. Is not a lot of people are gonna adopt that at first. A lot of people are like, this is crazy.

I can do that. Just like someone probably wouldn't take their eyeball out and put a fucking thing in, right? But when you start getting out competed and by, in your profession that you love that you're really good at because somebody has got a neural link in, you will be faced with that decision one way.

Is that in three years, five years, 10 years, or 20 years? That I don't know. If the brain, if they have to install something in your brain, I think it'll take a lot longer. What I think's gonna happen is that's the first, like, iteration, then they're gonna figure out how to do it where you put on a hat, where you have something on the outside I think it'll take a lot longer. What I think's gonna happen is that's the first iteration. Then they're gonna figure out how to do it where you put on a hat, where you have something

on the outside and you have to be invasive. Then everybody's gonna adopt it. Cause that's still a fear, you gotta operate on my brain. I'd have to see a lot of people do it before I think it's safe. Yeah, because even like removing it, like what does that do if you're like

neurologically adapted to it at that point and like, oh, sin, you just pull it out. Oh, I don't know. What does that look like? Have you guys ever been in the monkey studies? Well, here's it. You know, you start thinking, like, this thing's gonna be able to record memories.

I mean, and then let's say when your physical body shuts down and you just switch your organs out and you add, you know what I'm saying? And you fix it. Well, that's what I mean. And then now you become the transhumanism thing. This is what's all kind of leading that direction where it's like, what do we need our body for?

Right. You know, like let's just like be metal parts and then we can interstellar travel. You know what? Humans have speculated the challenges with living forever for a long time. Just look at the stories on vampires and how tormented they are in the stories.

Like people know this. They know that living forever or not dying isn't necessarily the blessing that you think it might be, right? And inevitably, I mean, let's say you're a good person and you're just getting a lot of value and purpose for what you're doing, but now you've extended that infinitely, tell me you're not gonna go to the dark side

at some point because you're bored. Yeah, you know, I mean, it's just how it goes. I don't know. This is going to be, this is weird, dude. We're getting into a weird, a weird, weird space. Did you find what I was saying, Doug, about the, uh, memories? Yeah. They talk about it.

I don't see anything definitive about at this point. It's really for people who have, like, spinal cord injuries at this point or vision issues, I suppose. Yeah. But I mean, eventually it's going to turn, it's gonna be a market, right? Of course. We can do all kinds of different things. Of course.

And in the argument it's gonna be, why not enhance my body's natural abilities? Why not? The original argument is like, you already have an appendage. I mean, that's when you're phone. When Elon Musk said that, when Elon Musk said that on Joe Rogan,

it was like one of those, boom, moments for me when I'm like, you're kinda right. We've adapted with it. Like it's, how many people? It's already an extension of you're kind of right. We've adapted with it. Like it's how many people, it's already extension of you. Yeah, exactly how many people, it's already like in you for a lot of people.

I mean, how often is your, I mean, our phones on every one of our hips probably right now. No, I just feel like we've skipped steps. Like can we just get like the contact lens first? You know, well, there's a big push right now. Apple is making big moves right now. I think in AR.

And so here's part of the argument is AR, AR, AI, which one's gonna take off sooner and faster. And the truth is, AR is more likely to be adapted because of your point. You're bringing it up. You could put glasses on. Yeah, you just put some glasses on and now everything around you becomes,

you know, like you're kind of in a virtual world, but you're still in the real world. So going back to something like neural link, understanding human behavior, can you imagine the products and uses that this will have for the average person who's impulsive and whatever? There's gonna be pleasure button. I mean, you're just gonna tap, tap, tap, tap, tap.

Oh, you know, I feel good now. Yeah, oh, I'm sad. Pop, pop, pop, oh, I feel better. Oh, I'm bored. Now I'm excited. Like, you're just gonna hit buttons and make the brain, you're just gonna tap, tap, tap, tap, tap. Oh, you know, I feel good now. Yeah, oh, I'm sad. Pop, pop, pop, oh, I feel better. Oh, I'm bored. Now I'm excited. Like, you're just gonna hit buttons and make a brain. You know,

which trip, somebody commented on my Instagram in regards to my whole talk about max with the iPad and stuff because they've been raising their kid, utilizing it and their kid was reading at a much higher level and faster and like they had all these positive educational benefits. And I said, yeah, not, no, I'll pass. And I said, and the reason why I said that was because it's not, there's another side

of the coin. It's not just that. They're, they're seeing what's happening to these kids that, how it's disrupting the way they process their executive functioning, their anxiety, things like. So it's like, okay, great, your kid reads at a five grades above, but he's anxious, he's depressed, executive function is off. So it's like, those parents that have heard me talk

about this, and let's just, you know, why I wanted to comment on this? Cause I'm sure there's more parents that agree with this parent that comment, right? That this person just had, and by the way, I'm not picking on this person, it's why I'm not gonna point them out, they're name-reading.

But it's like, I'm sure a lot of parents think because their kid is smarter because they're using this iPad, they read better, or they're more knowledgeable of math, or that it's a positive thing. It's like, no, dude, just because that is a, one of the side effects potentially is that, but there's a bunch of other negative effects that we're seeing that are coming out besides

that I'm not okay with, right? And I'm more concerned about those than I can teach him to read at a higher level, myself, personally. I don't need to have an iPad do that with the risk that it comes with. Yeah, look, do you want a kid that does math real well, but is anxious and Irritable who doesn't know how to build relationships with other people? Now, I'm sure there's a way to use these tools to augment, you know, what you're doing But you know, when I watch that talk from that one there is you said it you interact with them and you use it as if it's a tool

So they're getting both right so I'm gonna pass front of it and then leave it Yeah, yeah, that woman that one talk by that woman really blew me away because she said their kids are learning in these artificial textbooks or computers and it's not contextualized in real life. So, learning a lesson from a book even or a computer or a tablet versus learning a lesson in real life, which one is more valuable.

And so what we've done is we're telling kids, and so what you're doing is you're making this kid sit in front of this thing. By the way, kids who are on these things often don't know how to regulate their emotions as well, because they distract themselves. That becomes their co-regulation tool. Okay, what does that mean?

Take it away, it's no different than this. If you wore a weight belt all day long, your core stability would develop and rely on the support of a weight belt. Take it off, you'll have no course ability. Take that away and your child doesn't have its co-regulating friend, which is the iPad, and they don't learn how to regulate very well. Yeah, this is kind of a tragic story, but there was an incident where there was this kid where I live up in the valley who Got into an altercation with another kid who was from a different school and he found out he was at a party

Up in the valley and he took the bus he went up there with the gun and he came looking for him at this party with his gun And he pulls it out. And what the first, what I focused on was the first reaction from like everybody there, they all took their phone out. And they're all like hiding behind their screens and their videotape. While the guy has a gun and he goes right up to the kid, he shoots him in the stomach and then he gets

on his motorcycle and takes off. So they were in like junior high, but like I think they're like freshman, sophomore, and high school. They were kids. Kids, and it was like, yeah, okay. So now you get like footage of the thing. So it's like they're able to prosecute and all that,

but like that's the first instinct. All of these kids at this party, how about this one tackle the count? Yeah, he's a visible gun. Like, anyways, it's tragic. It was a tragic story, but it was just like a very fascinating to me to see kind of like, this was, this is a cultural thing. Oh, man, that's weird.

No, you're right. I mean, no different when like a fight or an altercation happens. I've seen been in places like this where, you know, someone's getting an altercation on a boss or someone's getting into an restaurant or something like that. And instead of going in and diffusing it or stopping it, everybody's natural reaction is pull your phone out and record it. And it's like, what the fuck are we coming to right now? Like, go there and stop that.

It's a wild to me. That's interesting. We had Arthur on the show and we really say about activism along those lines, he says, we have a, we have a, um, uh, and, um, not, he's used a different word than a massive problem with, with activism. Yeah, he's like, and people not going in, and he says, if you want to do activism, that really not only works, but also makes you feel better is go help people, versus being enraged, pissed off, recording, posting, that kind of stuff makes a lot of sense. You know, instead of like posting about how mad you are about the pissed off, recording, posting, that kind of stuff. Makes a lot of sense.

You know, I'm saying like posting about how mad you are about the homeless problem. Yeah. And how physically get up and go help. Help and make an impact. That's it, man. Makes such a, it's so weird. I never thought of it. I have one person help your local community.

Like that's, you can have the base impact doing that over anything. I mean, that's one of Jordan Peterson's core messages, right? Clean your own room, right? Before you go and tell everybody else about what they're doing wrong with their life And how what a bad person they are like clean your own shit. Yeah, no go make an impact, right? That's crazy. I'll tell you guys something else that's annoying. Are you guys as annoyed as I am about But like going to buy like food or anything and You pay with your, at your phone

or your credit card and they spin the screen around for a tip. Oh yeah, yeah. Ain't that funny. And I'm like, I'm looking at the dude, like you rang me up, I bought some. You didn't even juggle or anything. You didn't do anything.

I bought something from here. Now it's all of a sudden, it's tipping culture. It has become this thing now. Tip me. Well, what's even more awkward about it? Well, man, we used to have to do some shit. Well, what's more awkward about it is they won't make eye contact. Yeah.

They spin it around and they look away or they, they, they, like it's star above. Well, especially if they're not even friendly. They hate to start. They're just like, it's so, so weird. It's so weird, right? It is weird. And it puts me in a weird position because I'm like,

it might, it might gonna be a dick for saying no because you rang up my bottle of water? Or, and now I just paid $7 for the already overpriced water. Or are you being like we're just for, you know, wanting that or expecting a bit. What I find interesting is always like 15, 20, 25%. It's never like 5% or 10%.

The minimum is 15%. It's like 15%. I give somebody 20, 25% if they've waited on me right if I'm at dinner But you know, I got a coffee at Starbucks and you want 25% now I'm gonna now you may as well build it into the price and just charge me that price now full disclosure I say no Most of the time, but I do tip sometimes when the person is exceptional I do to and I have select like have. So like, like, there's this place we go to in Willow, Glenn, I'll give him a shout out,

L-Holl. I'm guilty for always to. So I know I took a lot of this. So it's a great, this taco place is amazing. The guilt thing. And we go there, and the kids that work there are, whoever owns a place knows how to hire great kids because I'm gonna say something right now.

Like, when you see teenagers working at places these days, they typically are zombies and they suck. Yeah. Suck. I've been just gonna talk about this. Like, how do these kids get jobs? They're terrible. Anyway, this taco place, he's got these kids working on it.

They're so friendly, they're so good, they're great. So I always tip those kids over there. But if you suck, you know what I'm gonna look at me? You ain't getting shit on me. You know how many kids that I've had, like, ring me up at like these places that have air pods in? I think that's fucking so rude. Yes, bro.

How does the manager allow that? They come on. If I wasn't such a busy person, I'd be like, fucking, find me your boss so I could go talk to him right now. Slap him for me hiring you. Like, were you listening in there? It's unreal. And I've had some of them, like, I'm trying to communicate with them, hiring you. Like, were you listening in there? Unreal.

I've had some of them, like, I'm trying to communicate with them, and I don't realize they have them in there. Huh? Yeah. They're probably listening to our podcasts. The worst service. Yeah. They're listening to my podcast, that'd be hilarious.

And you know, you know what I was saying? Yeah. After listening to my, oh, my pump. Oh, they're mine. Okay, okay. You're fine. Come on, Chip. Have you, so some of the worst,

I don't know if this obviously these are franchises. I'm sure it's not true everywhere. But some of the worst kids that serve me are Chipotle. On Bull, there's just one Chipotle we go to and I swear every time we go there, I'm like these kids, they won't look at you, they don't look at each other,

they're moving at like negative speed. We'll Chipotle. We'll Chipotle. Six people make your burrito. That's a fucking serious. It's a six person line to get to your burrito. Really? That's where we're at now. I need six of you to make a burrito.

Fucking crazy, dude. Oh, machines are gonna take that job. Heavy-handed Harry, dude. I always find that guy. I mean, that's one we could start with. It's only one, though. It's like I have to drive a little further. It's in Capitola. But yeah find that guy. I mean, that's one we could serve. It's only one though. It's like, I have to drive a little further. It's in Capitola.

But yeah, the one that's closer, it's, well, mainly it was ruined because like, there used to be like a homeless encampment, like, right? And so, you know, as I'm coming in, there'd be a guy like eating stuff out of trash and like, you know, anyways, it was not great with the kids. Let's just say. Yeah. Yeah, I think, I mean, I mean, Donald's already got the whole automated, yeah, automated thing going.

I mean, it's not huge yet, but I mean, it's happening. So, I'm the first person, man, if you do a good job, I'm like, I'll go out of my way and let you know that your boss know, but God, that's so rare these days. Yeah. I just talk with my kids, start no play for jobs, right? My oldest. And I'm just telling them, I'm like, listen,

what is he gonna do? Is he gonna work well, he's in school? He at both, yeah, now, because he now he's out, right? You just graduated. So what is a kid like that get at a school? Like, I know where he's going. So I'm trying to think of like, what's out there

that he could do? What's he gonna do? Well, I'm gonna, he's already covered, right? His room and board. That's from you guys. That's from you guys. How do you say what? And he gets an allowance as part of it

where he has this card that gets so much food. Anything else is on him. So if he wants more food, wants to go out, do anything else, he's got to get a job. So that's on him. Yeah, yeah. So what jobs do you get a job on campus? Or something?

No, is there roles and stipulations of that? Or is just like, as long as you're in school, this is what we're going to provide? Oh, yeah, yeah. You got to get, you start getting shitty grades, you're gonna get me a pay nothing for your, okay, that's one, okay, that's one, whatever. Yeah, come on, that's ridiculous.

I understand that, why would you pay for something? I mean, there's a lot of parents to do. There's parents that that's just the rules, that like if as long as you're in school, your parents take care of your stuff. Oh, well, it's not just, yeah, you gotta be in school and you gotta do, you gotta look like you care and you're putting some effort in.

Yeah. And but what we, what you pay for includes a certain allotment of food, anything on top of that though, you know, you got to work for yourself. And it's like you can't, obviously I can pay for what everything, but no, of course. You know, you've got a lot of lessons. No, I'm, I'm, I'm asking because obviously I'm a long ways from this, but I do think about it. And I think like, you know, would I, would I pay for all of it? Would I pay for some of it? Like what would I, like, there's got to be some value

and actually not even paying for all of it, right? Like there's like some value and maybe even going, I'll pay for classes or room and board, but foods on you. Yeah, it depends on yourself. So it depends on the, okay, so a lot of colleges now, if you pay for the dorm, you pay for the room and board, it includes, there's, I think that even- I think that you have to.

Yeah, it includes it. That's what I had when I, yeah. So you can't, you can't say, I don't want to pay that part. I think it's part of the package, at least the part where he's going. Yeah. But for me, it depended on the degree. If it's a degree that's got market viability,

then I'll cover it. If it's got no market value, pay it yourself. What do you choose? Did you choose computer science? Oh yeah, engineering. Although, it seems like those are jobs that are going to be gone. No. I had this conversation.

I had this conversation about AI. I never thought I'd teach him AI in there. Well, I don't feel passionate. He thinks you might want to go in that direction. Yeah, I don't teach him. Of working with, of learning how to work with AI. And yeah, I'm definitely in that space. So right now, like, what's a good first job?

Like I'm trying to think about that a lot with, with Ethan, because it's like, I mean, 13 and it's like, he's already kind of thinking about like working at this, like, deli or like doing this or that. The other. So I'm like trying to see like where he goes with it. But I mean, you know, I'm like like, I wanna get him to be a shadow to construction, learn how to build a house of every detail of it, like from every trade.

You know, just so at least he can see what it takes and learn all that stuff, but. I mean, you wouldn't know if he wants to do that. I mean, you went the waiter route, right? That's what you did, right? I think that's the best. Everybody should work in a restaurant somewhere. I started at house know if he wants to do that. You know, I mean you went the waiter route, right? That's what you did I think that's I think everybody should work in a restaurant Yeah, it's time at house and I work to the way I went the I went the agriculture way right so I went to a farm Like that's what I did right so I mean I think both have tremendous value they do but I do yeah people skills

And yeah, and being able to you get more of that conversation. Yeah Yeah, I think working retail or working a restaurant is important. Like go get a job at Starbucks or somewhere where you have to like appreciate service people. Yes, and not only that, you appreciate them. You understand what it's like. You have to work with different people. You got to deal with assholes.

You got to deal with nice people. Do it's society, right? It's incredible to me like how people behave like towards waiters and service. Yeah, like it's like I guess I was baffled. I didn't know that because I was just like a, how people behave towards waiters and service. Yeah. I guess I was baffled. I didn't know that because I was just like a patron for ever I'd go in and I'm just eating.

I'm just like, you're not a dick. And you're not a dick. There's a lot of assholes that just come in and just throw things at you, like talk shit the whole time, you're just trying to help them. Like, dude, I mean, who are you? Well? It's just like a, it's a number singer. I think any profession where you have to see a high volume of people per day.

If you're gonna see a high number. Yeah, there's just a percentage wise. There's more assholes out there than there are friendly people. So if you see 30 people in a day or more, there's a good chance you're gonna have to deal with some people. You know, I, this morning, for a while, I had to get blood work done this morning

and I actually drove way out of my way to go to this specific lab, because I had to get blood worked on this morning, and I actually drove way out of my way to go to this specific lab where we've had to get through our blood so many times. I was like the 13th time or whatever I do my blood. So I now go to this one place, because I like the guy. I like the way he talks to me, because they bust so many people through there. I mean, they must see 100 patients in a day.

And I've been to so many of them, and most of the people are rude, they stab me, I get bruised, they don't talk to me, it's just a terrible experience to do that. And so I actually drive all out of my way to go to this one place because the same guy that's there, and I was telling Katrina,

because Katrina was with me this morning. He's soothing. I know how you get kind of dizzy. You get a heart, a little bit further. It talks to me, so it helps keep my mind up. So I do like that. You know, I don't do good. I feel you.

You get along with popping a stir. It's a good boy on the way out. So a little ginger snap. But I mean, so here's a great example though, right? So normally when I see him, it's actually during the slower times I was there in the morning, which seems to be when everybody wants to get their blood drawn. And so I'm in there and there must have been five

of their patients all husband and, you, and at least three of the five didn't know how to check themselves and one old lady like was so like lost and confused. I was kind of helping and he's like running the desk and he's doing the blood work for everybody back and forth. And then Katrina asked him to do special things with my, oh, could you sit it over here and do things that they don't want to do?

And the guy was just like, calm about all of it. That's cool. And I told him when I got back there, I said, man, I really, I said, just so you know, I said, come all the way over here for you because I do this a lot. And I think that, and I get it because you guys got to deal with a lot of people,

that don't know if they're doing that a rude and stuff like that. And for it to not affect you, I said, I appreciate that. Do they have to switch the arm cuff for the blood pressure to the obesity? Yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah Yeah, I know. Hey, hey, I just read a list today that's kind of interesting. The drunkest cities in America. Ooh, let's guess. Oh, well, I lost it. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

Chicago. Yeah, I would definitely. Well, hold on, because this is what's interesting about it. 10, seven out of 10 of them from the same state. Yeah, I know. You know why they'll be Florida. No, it's New York, because the city doesn't sleep, right? No. No, no. Okay, so the city doesn't sleep right? They're up all night the no no, okay, so

First day yes Daytona. No, what's okay? Hold on. Whoa hold on so drunkenness per city Let me tell you how they measured it right yeah, okay drunkenness per city was measured by the percent of the population That either binge drinks or drinks heavily throughout the week so four to five drinks in a sitting or 15 or more drinks per week So literally Seattle the most drunk. Okay. So most popular college city towns. Because during the week drinking is college kids. I'm gonna sell you right now. Just forget the cities. I'm we talking about the hallex are we talking about the state. Well the state seven out of 10 of them was the same state. Wisconsin. Holy shit. Wisconsin. Yeah. What's the Wisconsin? Wait, did I say Milwaukee? No, he didn't.

Yeah, I'm just thinking, I don't know where they make beer. Always good with this. Honestly. Why would you get, that's why you would guess Wisconsin. Because it's cold, you know, I mean, I don't know. That was a good,

that's why I can't, I would guess 20 times nothing. He hit it on the nail on the head. Wow. First of all, Wisconsin is seven out of these. What's Madison? Seven out of 10 top 10,

but all of them are cold ass places. Yes, cold. Yeah, Milwaukee. I wouldn't get sad. Because people are as a Montana, North Dakota. Really? Yeah, but Wisconsin, man. They could.

I would have failed that test. They crushed beers and apples. Appleton. Number one, Ashkosh Nina. All places I don't even know. Green Bay, Madison. And then you have Fargo North North Dakota But then back to back to Wisconsin La Crosse on Alaska

Fund fund do lock. There's a lot of like French sounding places out there. Oh you clear. Yeah, all Wisconsin I would have felt I would have knew you I would have went Miami, New York, Las Vegas I would just say good like everyone we've been for spring break. And, you know, I would have never thought was constant. I don't know. Big ass drinking place. It is. It is.

I mean, I've been under. I just know that like BMI is higher in those states as well. That's true. Because it's cold and, you know, if you're indoors. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I mean, if we were guessing like eating fried food or something like that, I might go that direction. Yeah, but jeez, I know what you're going like eating fried food or something like that I might go that direction. Yeah I didn't know what you're going. I know you're going like more impulsive behaviors to deal with the cold the depression

Somebody please send me some cheese cards from Wisconsin. You know cheese cards are only good They're only good with like you have to eat them in a day. Oh, yeah, that's true. Have you ever had cheese curds? You know it's not about them. You know it's weird about them? They squeak, squeak. You haven't you chew it. Isn't that weird? Yeah, they're good. Like you actually, they squeak a little bit. There's an air pocket tonight.

I don't know why. Yeah, that's why. There's air pockets. I think it's a texture. It's a lot of things. No, they squeak. You know, weird. I know that I think we have viewer today.

Is viewer today? Yeah, viewer is today. And I see you're wearing Viori and you're wearing state liberty. Yeah, but yeah, I'm Viori pants. So you know, okay, I'm half. So tell what you're now. Have you done the state liberty t-shirt yet? I wore that one yesterday.

You did. I did. Okay, so let's get I love it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it.

I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. in Liberty more. So hold on, so, okay, we can be honest on a commercial. No, I'm gonna be honest, because I like state and liberties, state and liberties they're suits and they're really, they're good formal wear, not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're crushes. Yeah.

That's leisure wear, stuff like this. I don't know what, the hell material they use, but it's like so soft. Workouts versus just like walking around. Yeah, so I walk around and then work out in that. Like that would be my jam. Jury, I have to leave you where they stay. There's nobody touches them. But, but dude, this, I mean, this is like, Yeah, so I walk around and then work out and that, like that would be my jam. Yuri has leisure wear at least. There's nobody touches them.

But dude, this, I mean, this is like, I have only shirts that's actually like, it made me flug less of a fat ass. I haven't, I haven't, not a fat ass. Not like full fat ass. I haven't wore a state celebrity t-shirt. I have all their dress stuff. And I have a bunch of Yuri.

They're dressed up crushes. But yeah, Yuri, I mean, like, if you touch, I just, no, even Jessica said it, she just touches it, she's like, they have the best feeling material, it's true. No, no, their stuff is, is fire, I mean, yeah, no, everything. I actually like, I wish I'm so bad,

I know they sent us boxes, and I like this, you know, originally I liked the idea of like, it's always picking our boxes, but instead they want us like send us stuff to try or they have new things going out. And they sent me some things that I probably wouldn't have bought in every. But they put it on me like I did. And the colors too, they chose like I wouldn't wear those normally.

I was like, oh, it looks good. Me too. Yeah, it's like you're salmon. Yeah, that's pictures. Yeah, they gave me like this light teal shorts, these shorts. They had the black spandex underneath, and then they were real loose. And they were like this kind of teal color. Yeah, maybe Doug, you can look up what the style is because that's a terrible commercial.

I don't have to be able to tell people what the name, I'm not good with the name. I should have for his knees, huh? Were your knees exposed? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Haunt too, or cool. Isn't that funny? Oh, by the way, speaking of that, what Doug's looking the shorts up um, I have noticed that what's making a comeback is a baggy jeans. Yeah. Oh, I was just gonna I was just gonna bring that like like janko. Yeah, well not that not quite. Yeah, but getting there. Yeah,

where I mean like look at over like my my shoes. So I was ready for hackie sack bro. I was driving home the other day with my daughter and these and high school was out and these kids were walking by and I it's mostly with the girls so far. No, he's a Christian Goose one, pull up his next room. I just, what'd you say? That's a thanks Dylan. They say they still have a huge inspiration. They're, they're, they're, they're nirolling to each other, you guys know that? Got it.

I knew it. Did you already find my shorts? We were just not in his way. I'm looking at the Fullerton shorts. Can you pull them up so I can see? They, uh, but they don't have teal. Oh, is it teal? He said, well, like a like a, like a light,

real light, light blue. There's the only ones I see though. It has the, like the black spandex underneath. Oh, I hope I didn't talk about something that's not out yet. Oh, maybe you did. I want you to pull that up and then I want you to pull up. Uh, tell me if this is a style here. Oh, I like those. No, those aren't them, but I do. Okay. Let me see if I can find some of those with a full-term ones. I do like those too, though. I'll get back, uh, back to you on now. Well, I'm gonna make you do something I'll feel I think those are they got a deal pair down down down to the left. Yeah Yeah, the one on the very left is when I got the core shorts

Oh, those are the core shorts. Okay, they have a liner. They don't have the oh it's a banner. It's not like a spanic Okay, you're right. You're right. So it's the core shorts. Yeah, I like the core shorts I like the core shorts too a lot. Okay, so now go to I want the guys to see this You can just send them a link and pull it up. I'm trying to do that. See if I can I don't know while you're doing that I'm gonna I'm gonna just and we'll get back to that I promise out I'm not trying to site hijack you but here we go You want to hear some interest something crazy? Yeah, did you know? Okay, so how many people have walked the moon? Do you guys know how many people? Let's just say it's like 12 some would say none 12 right you're wrong. It was fake. No 12 people have walked the moon What do you know how many people how many people yeah, you're right?

You know how many people have visited the Marianas trench? What's that one three? What is it we know less about the deepest parts of the ocean than we do the moon. Dude, I know. It's one of the deepest parts of the ocean. Oh, well, we've known that. We've talked about that. There's like, there's species that we still are undiscovered down there, right?

Yeah, I know, it's crazy. I didn't know wild. It is wild. Three people have been down there. Well, bro, wouldn't you? That sounds, well, I guess it's just scary to be probably up on a moon, too. I'd rather go on a moon.

Oh, so really speaking of the moon, so I was actually like talking to my friends and I'm like, I guess it's just scared to be probably up on a moon, too. I'd rather go on a moon. Oh, so really speaking of the moon, so I was actually like talking to my friends, and I'm like, I know I read this, and it was valid. It wasn't like pure conspiracy theory, but like my friends just roll their eyes, you know, immediately, because I was talking about that they actually like launched rockets onto the moon to have them explode, and it caused a ring.

So it was like a vibrating ring. It had like moon quakes that creates this like, almost a ring noise, like almost like it's hollow. Read it, it's popular science. Road article about it. They're testing it. They're testing it. Yeah, the density of the world.

Just go to his home, like that video. But this is where the hollow is homepage. Hollow moon and all that kind of stuff. You get the conspiracy of the goal. Just go to his home, like that video. But this is where the Holla on his home page. Holla Moon and all that kind of stuff. You get the conspiracy people around that. I was just like, dude, that trip me out, like ring. That there's a moon base. Scroll down, hold on. Exactly, like you scroll down.

Look at the pages down. All right, come on, scroll down, scroll down. It's right there, right there. See you. That did you, yeah, see you as pants? Oh yeah. Right in the middle. yeah, both of those. And I had just seen it on somebody else and I'm like, son of a bitch.

Damn it. Did I? I don't think I threw mine away. I'll go pull them out. You know, it's sort of they sagging them too. Or is it? No, he's not sagging them. They're just they're just back to kind of a baggy loose fat. Look at the bottoms. The bottoms are covered in half of the sneaker. Like we hear kids. If I start seeing it was funny. It's like, so he's young, right? So he's like, I don't know what Guzman's like,

he's probably 30. Dylan, do you know how old he is? Oh, I know. You know what, dude, still in the spot. It's not a pressure when you're sitting in that chair, dude. You have to know everything. You can't have the facts, you know. If I start seeing people wear those with the shell top

of D-D-S or whatever, he's 30 years old, right? Yeah, so he's a youngster, right? So he's got, we got 12 years old. So he doesn't remember wearing that in high school. Like I just like that picture of him. And he wasn't in high school in those were in style. That's what I'm saying. Like I have pictures of me in a ball cap like that.

A shirt like that, in pants like that. Like when I was like freshman sophomore, you're high school. You know what else is, well this has already been back for a while. Do you remember those shoes? I don't know what they, what do they call penny? I was like freshman sophomore, you're high. You know what else is, well, this has already been back for a while. Do you remember those shoes? What are they called, Penny? I don't remember the call, Girls Wear them.

And they were like round toe black shoes with the strap that comes over. Do you remember those shoes? That Girls Wear them all the time now again, young girl. So my daughter went to the store, she wanted a bi-pair. When they call me Cal, that's what you- Describe them to me again.

They're like black, but the front is round, they're leather, and they'll just have like one strap over. And it looks like a, almost like a baby doll shoe or something like that. Did you guys, did you guys see the, I don't know. Penny, Penny, not Penny loafers, are they? No, I'm tripping.

Did you guys see that? Did I show you guys the cartoon boots that were that are trained for the red ones? That when I was at the, I meant to tell you guys, I didn't tell you this. So stupid. Which by the way, I think it's also really funny to me. Like, so one of the most common things that you see when you when you go to one of these games like the like the Warriors game, and this is all sports, I actually see this at all events. There's always like

a lot of people that have seats that are like, you know, maybe they got like the the top of the lower level and that and then they walk because they'll let you the game, they'll let you walk all the way down by courtship, and they take all their photos. And this guy, I'm sitting down in my seats, and he's, he's, came all the way down, and he's, he's 10x me, and he's got like one of the usher's, like taking photos of him, like posing all cool, like he's courtside, and he's got those fucking red shoes on.

Dude, man. Yes, he's got those red shoes on. What do they look like? Is it like pop a smurf like, yes, they're, they're, they're, this bit, they're They're massive like this and they're red. You haven't seen these look at you know what they know They look like Matt. What's that guy that cart that game with the guy blast people? No, it's master They look at man. No, no, no, no, no, it's it's based off a cartoon guy. I forget the name. I'll show you Hey, these are the shoes. I was talking about the called Mary James. Do you remember these?

No, you don't remember these shoes were we were kids? Oh yeah, yeah. They're really popular. Those are like cabbage patch shoes. Cabbage patch. That's what we call them. Astro boy. Astro, that's what it was. Astro boy.

It's Astro boy shoes. Look, Doug, pull up Astro boy shoes so Justin can see these. And this is like a popular thing. It is a thing with these kids where, now I thought they were gonna be how expensive. That's ridiculous. You see them? Yeah, I can see it on Doug's screen.

Do you got one of the kid wearing them? Yeah, I saw somebody wear these. I've seen it too. I've seen it too. They're hilarious. Maybe we should buy some. Those are Gargamel shoes. Where are we talking about?

They do that Gargamel shoes. Oh my god, they are Gargamel shoes. Yeah, dude. I mean, they're based off the Astro Boy. That's what they're named Astro Boy shoes, right? So they're based off of the that cartoon. But you're right, Gargamel, the same old Gargamel.

Why don't we, we should just buy them. Us three. Well, there's so ridiculous. No, I thought they were some crazy high fashion, like thing where they're expensive and they're not expensive. They're just stupid. You know what would suck if you're wearing those big ass shoes and then an emergency happens, you have to run. Oh, fall down.

I saw, what's the Antonio Brown wearing him at a game. He was like the first person I saw where I'm in. I've seen some of that episode of Save By The Bell, where they were talking about how fashion style start, and they were talking about, I think it was Kelly, and they said, you could wear a pizza on your head, and then everybody in the school, and she did. And everybody started wearing a pizza on their heads

to make fun of. That's what it reminds me of. Just because someone popular and famous wears. Oh, and she did. And everybody started wearing pizza on their heads to make fun of. That's what it reminds me of. Like just because someone popular and famous were something stupid and everybody thinks it's cool. I mean, you don't need to be famous. If you're in high school, you can influence like that. I mean, I told you guys that with the PG&E jacket. I got the first time I wore that.

I remember everyone was like, what the fuck? And the next year I came to school and like 30 kids had PG&E and I did the same thing to you. Nobody wore that. Yeah, it was with a what do you call those repairmen for like air conditioners? Uh-huh. It was like this cool like a work shirt and it was just like and so all of a sudden everybody started wearing work shirts. And then I know I had so the way this happened, okay, is I didn't have a waterproof jacket. No, you were poor.

My dad worked for PG&E. He was poor, but. And he had that. I went to the, to the Burger King. And really it was like this, it's like this to try the kid that I was. So I was just not fucking, I don't care. You know what I'm saying?

Like that's my, my two was like, I don't care. Like I'll wear whatever, like I was confident like that. And I, it was raining. And I'm like, it was a waterproof fucking jacket. So I put it on and I, and I wore it to school. Well, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna to my own horn, but people wearing wife beaters on. I'm not saying, it's not saying it's a gym.

Hey, what did, when I saw it at the gym. You see the kid in the, in our Facebook group, he called it, or I reposted it. Or it's on Instagram. Muscle tees, that's it. I'm like, oh, is this a rebrand? This is a rebrand. This is political.

Those are wife beaters, dude. Yeah. Who tried to rebrand? I don't, we don't think you should beat your wife. It's just a bad song. Yeah, it's a bad song. I don't do that. Yeah, yeah, just with the short one.

They're trying to rebrand it for muscle tees. Sounds offensive. Sounds better. Hey, we got a shout out for today. I have a book for you guys. So I already shouted out the founder podcast, correct? So I just started re, so I'm only like, I don't know, maybe a quarter or even less, because it's actually a really big book.

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So I just want to thank everybody for the opportunity to be able to speak with you. And really, really appreciate everything you do and really go to look forward to hear what you got to say about my issues. So my question is, what, you know, I would just recently diagnosed with a right hip label pair. So, and the question is, what do I do or how do I train with it? But a little background about it.

Probably, I want to say about a year and a half ago, I started noticing pain in my hip, really from full-on walking, probably on really noticed it on hikes with my son while I was doing voice-couts. Probably like a three mile hike, I really feel it in my hip, but I really thought I was attributed to backing. And so while doing, actually while while doing performance I think it's called the Cossack Squats. I realized as I was standing as I was stepping laterally I really felt some severe tightness in my add-up and muscles. So but then shortly after that I started feeling working in my squats, deadlifts, so have you. So what did I get in my eye?

It confirmed there's labor tear. So really what I like to know is, what should I be doing with a labor tear? I mean, are there exercise that I should be doing or not? Yeah. So OK, so I'll give you some general advice because I've worked with quite a few people with this issue and no two are the same You know some people can do some lateral movements or abduction other people find it with abduction So for people don't know this basically is what holds the

Hip socket together, right? It's what keeps the femur in the hip socket. And so you've kind of lost stability, essentially, is what's going on here. So the best general advice I could give you, would be to utilize isometrics. Isometrics would be an exit because you're not moving, so you're not going to put yourself at risk for adding resistance with movement. But isometrics are amazing for working on stability. And then what you do is you use different positions of isometrics so that you do build strength throughout the full range of motion. So what I would do is, for example, let's say you want to build some lateral stability. Well, rather than doing lateral movement, I would place my leg up against something that's immovable, and then I would apply an isometric against that laterally and

it's immovable, and then I would apply an isometric against that, laterally, and work on that, hold that for 10, 15 seconds, and then relax and do sets of that. And then, once you get strong doing that, move the leg out a little more. And you want to work with, you know, this is just good general advice, work within your boundaries. So move to the part where, oh, if I go a little further, I'm going to start to hurt, strengthen there. And then what you'll find is that limit tends to move out as you continue to work through this progress.

So a hip bridge is a great way to work on stability, right? Holding a squat in a comfortable position would be one way to do it. A abduction or adduction with isometric would be one way to do it, right? A hip flexor exercise or movement where you're doing an isometric with your hip flexor is another way to do it, right? A hip flexor exercise or movement where you're doing an isometric with your hip flexor is another way to do it. And so you want to work on isometrics

to build that stability. And then again, you can change the angle of the isometric as you get strong in particular movements and again, work within those limits. Yeah, I mean, I would think 99, but there's probably ways that you'd have to maybe elevate to decrease some of the intensity of a position like that. But to kind of work your way towards that, there's ways of like regressing some of those kinds of movements. And that's in like our Prime Pro program. There's lots of isometric options in there to address the hips and in all its versatility.

So yeah, you just got gotta go real slow, body weight and intense your body and get that connectivity with the muscles again. And then eventually too, you could even move on to band holds where you have resistance there and you're fighting its pull away. So like a band distraction kind of a, you know, type of an exercise.

So you can build strength that way progressively and not go too fast. Joe, let me give you an example, Joe. So let's say you want to strengthen stabilization from the abductor, right? The muscles that pull your legs apart, okay? You can lay on the floor, feet, your knees bent with your feet flat on the floor, put a strap around your knees and allow your legs to separate, it's called a clamshell, right?

So your knees come apart to the point before it starts to hurt. So get to the point where like, oh, if I go out in the furthest, it's gonna start to hurt. Get the strap, put it around your legs so you can't go out any further and then press against the strap.

Not a band, a strap. Press out against it, really hard with good technique, good control for 10, 15 seconds, do sets of that. That would be an example of an isometric to help build stability in abduction. You could do the same thing with abduction, bringing the knees together, you do the same thing with a hip bridge, like I said before.

So just work on stabilizing all around the joint with isometric. You could do that in the way we're sitting right now. So the way we're sitting right now with our leg crossed is I could move your knee to that end range where you start to feel it and then like Sal saying, and then I could just use my other hand to drive against it by pushing out and then the opposite

by pushing in from that same exact position and just as intense as you can and keeping that position in an isometric hold for like five to 10 seconds. But you don't want to move, right? You want to use the isometric because here's why you're finding a position that doesn't hurt and you want to strengthen within that. Stay there.

Because with when you're looking at like a labral terrorist quite common in the hip, you see this quite often in athletes, you definitely see this in people as they get older. And the challenge with them is as you move through a full range of motion with resistance, if a muscle's tight or if there's a lack of stability in a particular area, like that joints are gonna wanna separate and that's where you can find pain. But if I find a place where I feel safe

and I can just apply resistance or a contraction, so I'm not moving, I already know I'm stable in that position. So the risk of injury is way low, but I'm still strengthening. And then isometrics, you strengthen the position you're in, and then you go about 20 degrees outside of it. That's where the strength carries. So if I'm pressing out against that strap, I'm going to get strong in that position, but

I'm also going to get 20 degrees outside of it and 20 degrees inside of it. And so what I do is I just move and do isometrics through that range of motion to strengthen the entire range of motion. But again, what you'll find is you'll be able to challenge that and range more and more as you feel more stable. I would map symmetries the program I would give you. And you can kind of customize it for some of the movements that we're talking specifically about for the isometric portion. And then I would also put a little tweakly, so if I was, if you was able to pain free, do a lunge with you or a step up, I would add stability component always in that. So here's an example of where maybe in the past you've heard trainers mock, like, oh, all this, like, you know, step up to balance or lunge to balance, but for you, it makes a lot of sense to do that. So if I would do

a lunge or a walking lunge with you, I wouldn't just do a traditional walking lunge. I would create a stability component at the top of the lunge every single time. Same thing with the step up. I wouldn't just step up on a box. I would step up to a to stabilize. Yeah. Now, here's the, here's the place out. Here's where I'm going to, I'm going to warn you a little bit, okay? Is you, you, depending on how bad this is for you, get really good at the isometrics before you do anything full range of motion. What's the ability?

I was gonna say stay and phase one, if you do symmetry, stay there, an extended amount of time, if you still need that work. For the lower body. Yeah, if you don't feel like it's really holding strong and stabilizing, you gotta. A medical church, Poonfree, right? And that's really the component. Before you. You got a good... A little bit more sure it's pulling free, right? I mean, that's really the component.

Before you move on to the actual movement portion. Yes, because what'll happen if you don't is if you're strengthening and you feel a little bit of pain, you're actually encouraging instability for yourself. So I would master the isometrics in different positions to the point where you feel really good. And then I'd move to like smaller ranges of motion or to small ranges of motion, larger ranges of motion and so on until you could do like full range of motion.

But basically what we're asking your body to do is to create the joint stability that you had before with muscle. So we don't have that you got to tear in your hip and your a labral tear. So you're losing stability there. So you got to build it with the muscle. Once you build it with the muscle, then you're, you're going to do well. I got to say, it's really funny to hear you say it

because when I was doing single leg deadlets, because I hear you guys talking about it, you know, you want to make it a little more difficult to do some single leg. So I'm like, I'm giving it a try. So my left leg, no problem up and down. My right leg, I am all over the place and of course that's a bad hit. So I was a mess, so it totally makes sense.

No, you're somebody that I would go isometrics, then it'd go short ranges of motion, like hip bridges, and then when you do like a deadlift, I would go bilateral and I would not go unilateral until you feel really comfortable. Because it's too much, you're gonna be asking your body to do too much. Oh, I don't know if I necessarily agree with that part. I would actually, I would have you do single leg next to a squat rack and use it for

to assist you with the stability. You got to really be in a good position because that, you don't need to be loaded. You don't need to be loaded just your body weight and range of motion. Yeah. And you can control the range of motion and you can inch further and you're adding just a little bit of a stability component and your safety of your hand is on that on that.

Yeah, my point with this is Joe is that you're this is a because that terror isn't going to come back. It's not going to heal, right? Unless you get surgery, it's not going anywhere. So you got to be really, really, really careful about bringing up about building tremendous stability with just the muscles. Before you do anything that challenges stability a little too much, otherwise, it's just going to hurt. Yeah. Now, I appreciate that. And that's that's all great advice. And I think I do that.

I have symmetry. So of course, it's been sitting in my backpack for quite some time. As I'm going through all the other programs. So what you do, Joe, with symmetry is do the lower body isometric stuff for much longer. You can progress with the upper body to the program throughout the program, but keep doing the isometrics for the lower body until you feel ready to start to move to regular exercise. All right. Great. Cool.

I appreciate that. And listen, I want to thank you guys. He's a personal trainer a long time ago and when I discovered your podcast from a work colleague, he fed me onto you guys and never since I'm hooked. And so it was always one of the things where I hear you guys preaching what your craft and everything else and everything I learned 30 years ago and you hear you guys talk about it. It and everything else. And you know, it's everything I learned 30 years ago. And you hear what you guys talk about.

And it's just something else. So keep doing what you're doing. I really appreciate it. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thanks guys. Yeah, have you guys ever worked with like, I'm sure you have. I've had several.

And your point at the beginning is important. Because if you have like just a minor tear versus a, like a major tear, it makes a big difference. Yeah, like I've never, I've done probably like a dozen, and they're never the same. And also how strong they are in the hips going into it. Totally. It's just like I remember when I tore my MCL

and the doctor was like, I remember going like, man, I didn't feel like a torning in the explainings because you have so much muscle on your knee. That's right. You've done such a good job of training your legs that even though you lost this ligament completely, you don't need it and then you don't feel like you're missing anything. I have a resected, like I don't have an AC joint on my left side essentially.

And my left shoulder is 95% of what it was. It'll never be 100% because that joint's gone. But because I've strengthened the support system, I'm like, I'm a lot, I'm almost there. And you know, this reminds me, you ever worked with someone who's had dislocated shoulder several times and that shoulder capsule is'm like, I'm a lot, I'm almost there. And you know, this reminds me of, you ever worked with someone who's had a dislocated shoulder several times and that shoulder capsule is just like, you got to stabilize the shit out of the shoulder. And it's slow and packed and like muscle tension. That's the recipe.

Totally. Our next color is Ali from North Carolina. Hi, Ali. How can we help you? Hi guys. Thanks for taking my call. You got it. Alright, I'll jump into it. Summer is about to start and I am in the middle of symmetry. As soon as this ends, I was planning

on doing maps anywhere because we'll be traveling a lot. I'm running the kids to camp all the time and I might get to the gym once or twice a week. So I was gonna do Maps Anywhere, but then this week you guys just launched Bands. And so my question is, should I still do Maps Anywhere or should I do Bands? I don't wanna work out seven days a week. And I know you said on the podcast, Bands is for seven days. So I wanted your opinion. Yeah, you got the answer. Yep maps anywhere. Yeah, yeah

Banz is Banz is seven-day-a-week program and it's set up to be that way anywhere is I mean anywhere you could scale up the intensity to with with anywhere because we have intensity Yeah, we have ways of increasing the intensity on the free-faciless. Yeah intensifiers.. So anywhere to be perfect for you, absolutely perfect. And that program during the lockdowns absolutely crushed and we got so many messages from people who did not expect to get the results they got

with the program that doesn't use much equipment at all. They thought it was like a maintenance program. Yeah, actually people actually received quite a bit of muscle gain from it. Yeah, so that's the program that you need to do definitely. Great. When Symmetry is my first program I'm doing after bands anywhere, when I can't get back to the gym, what would you say you go to next? Yeah, I'm a baller. Maps and a baller, yeah, told me. Yeah, 100%. So the first program you ever got from us was Symmetry.

Yeah. Good choice. And honestly today I'm starting my first reverse and I've known for years I needed to, but this has all kind of just started this. So I'm glad to hear that I'll still make gains using. Oh yeah.

Allie, you've never done a reverse diet before? No, no, I've always tried to cut all the time. How long have you been working out for? 20 years. Oh, you're about to have your entire world life change. But I'm like, I'm a binger. So I can, I can cut, cut, cut. And then I bench and then constantly.

So then I, I've been doing, I was doing intermittent fasting. And I heard on one of your shows like the logic that it can work for some people but if you're a binger how bad it is. And so I've stopped that and then I've finally, I've been working out with trainers and all that. And so I finally decided to just stick with the program. So then I started symmetry and I thought if I'm going to do this in my head, I know I need to reverse. Love it. Yeah if I'm going to do this, in my head, I know I need to reverse.

Love it. I'm going to. I'm going to send you the Intuitive Nutrition Guide as well, because that's going to help you with some of your mindset around nutrition. I track when I'm on, I'm on. Yeah, you're doing the whole on the wagon off the wagon thing So this will help you quite a bit. So read it use some of the the mindfulness tools in there It'll really help you and if you do a good reverse diet With one of our programs literally your mind is about to get blown

You're about to be like what the heck I did not know my body would respond this focus on getting strong That's the main focus I'm excited. I'm excited. Thanks. Oh, look, Doug put that up there too. Well, you know, we also have a reverse diet guide. Who are you following for reverse diet? Do you have it all set up for yourself? Yeah, I'm avatar nutrition. Oh, okay, they're all right. We'll send you our reverse guide too. So you have. Thank you. Thanks for calling in. Awesome. Thanks. I'll have a good one. You too. Thank you. Thank you. Who's

avatar avatar nutrition? Yeah. Who's Avatar? Avatar nutrition? Yeah, who's that? It's, uh, God, it's so what we know. I'm familiar. No, I don't know. I do. If you're blue aliens, I don't know.

Mark Springer. I don't know. I think if you pull up their logo, we might recognize it. I know the name. Maybe I'm doing what Justin said. Maybe I'm just thinking the movie. I've heard of that before. Yeah.

Oh, Lane is a co-founder. There you go. I knew it was somebody we know. Okay. Yeah, the lane is a- Lane is a co-founder. Lane was a co-founder. Yeah, he was one of the things he founded it.

And I think he sold- Yeah, that was in 2017, so he's- That's what he sold. Remember, he got out of it and then he went to go do something else. Oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they're legit. If Lane founded that.

Sure. Then they know what they're doing, so. Our next color is Ron from Florida. Ron, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Hey, what's up, guys? I'm happy to be here. It's, it's truly an honor. You guys provide amazing content. Thanks, brother. Thanks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, so just a little background jump right into my questionnaire. Point nine, been lifting for about 10 years or so. I put on a decent amount of muscle that I consider. And now I've run Antibolic twice. I ran Antibolic Advanced, which was amazing.

And I'm running Antibolic for the second time now. And I'm just curious, at what point should, if you're trying to cut? So I'm at about 14% body fat, would like to get down to 10%. You know, at what point should you introduce cardio? How much should you do, you know, you should you do more hit training or steady state cardio? Kind of, my question revolves around, I understand y'all's, uh, the, Y'all's the, I guess I understand the muscle building burning metabol,

they're burning fat, you know, high metabolism. More muscle you have, I understand that. But at what point do you start to cut and kind of, you know, start to bring your colors down? Yeah. Look at, never do cardio to cut. Now, that doesn't mean don't do cardio, do cardio for the health benefits. But if you want to cut, that comes from diet. People who use cardio to cut are not using it, are not, it's not effective.

Even people who compete on stage, ideally, you use it at the very end because your calories are already so low and you're so depleted and you're just trying to squeeze off just a bit more body fat. But, where's your calorie intake right now? So that's 25 hundred. Okay, and you're 167. Is that right? Yeah, you have any idea how many steps you take a day?

I just got a fitness tracker. Maybe about a couple weeks ago. It's sitting right around 8,000 steps on average. Okay, so this is how I decide if I'm going to introduce cardio. First of all, I want to do most of my leaning out and cutting through diet first, so I'm cutting back on calories. And then for me, my number is I never get lower than about 22, 2300 calories. Now I'm a bigger guy, so that's my number. So maybe yours is more like 1900 or 2000.

I never want to go much lower than that. I just don't want to be eating that low. Plus I need a certain amount of nutrients to maintain the muscle mass of my body. So that's kind of my number. I don't want to go lower than that. I just don't want to be eating that low. Plus, I need a certain amount of nutrients to maintain the muscle mass of my body. So, that's kind of my number. I don't want to go lower than that. Then I look at my steps and I go, okay, if I'm taking 8,000 steps right now and I want to continue leaning on, next week my goal is that every single day I'm going to hit 10,000 steps. And the next week after that, I'm like, okay, every day I'm going to hit 12,000 steps through walking, just activity throughout the day. Then it comes to a point when point, and for me, it's around 16,000 or so,

where it's really hard for me to just add walks in the day to get 16,000 steps. So now I actively pursue, a half hour or 45 minutes on the treadmill in addition to my activity. And it's low, low, you know, list cardio. So low intensity, not going hard at all. Just really again, paying attention to the activity. And it's low, low, you know, list cardio. So low intensity, not going hard at all, just really again, paying attention to steps. I'm trying to hit that 16,000 steps. And so that's

how I introduce cardio. It's much easier to reverse out of that once I hit my lean point that I want to be at. So I'm not forced with this hour of intense cardio twice a day, like some of these competitors do. So it's a much better strategy because unless you want to do cardio, continually what will happen is, if you do it to get down to your 10%, and then you're like, cool, I'm at 10%, and then you completely cut it out,

you're gonna put all the weight right back on. Yeah, Adam, I wanna ask you this because you did cardio when you competed, right? And you've already gotten down to at that point, 4% body fat or 3% body fat. So, you know, Ron, you're at 14% body fat. I mean, unless you want to get on stage and you're getting down to the low singles or, you know, mid-single, Digi-Body Fat percentage,

I don't think cardio, cardio is not a great way to lean out. It's just a healthy way to exercise. One of the side effects is sometimes you get leaner, but your best bet is to do this with diet and strength training. That's what's going to get you lean in the most sustainable, most effective way possible. You could also, so you went anabolic, you went anabolic advanced, now you're back anabolic and I put you on performance. You do a program like that that's more novel. You also have a phase in there where you have endurance.

So you're definitely going to burn more calories. You can work out. You can build them there. Yeah, you're doing different exercises. You're not that aren't traditional. So all that stimulus is going to end up utilizing more energy, which is going to result in you leaning out. So that's also great.

So cutting your calories a little bit more, following a different program, focusing on steps, you may never have to even do cardio and easily get down from 14 to 10%. Okay, so all right, well that was gonna be my next question then, so at what point, so if you wanna get into the low single digits or even say high single digits,

at that point you need to introduce cardio. You know, you don't necessarily ever need to. You could get down. So, okay, you're carrying yourself at 14%. When I was off, when I was not in prep, I was off season, right? So in my phase of putting size on, I actually maintained around 10% body fat,

maybe 11 at the highest when I was competing. And then I would prep for a show. Show prep would only be about six to eight weeks for me because I kept myself in that nine to 10% range. And I could drop about a percent every single week just through reducing calories and increasing my steps throughout my day. And then maybe the final two weeks or so

when I'm assessing my body and I'm getting ready to be on stage in two weeks, I would use cardio because I realize like, oh, I need to get a little bit leaner before. But I mean, I would get all the way down to six sub six percent, which is, you know, stage physics for a lot of people without even doing any cardio, just by walking and diet.

And then, and then your cardio was what, was it? So just, well, we're walking through running or? Yeah, mostly walking. I never had to do intense cardio. There was no point. I would never want to push my body with intense cardio in a calorie deficit

because it sends a signal to the body to pair down muscle. If you're doing intensive cardio, while also in a calorie deficit, holding onto muscle, almost impossible. Yeah, what happened? And I'm on an anabolic steroids. It's still, your body is gonna, your body is getting the signal that,

oh, I'm feeding it less, and it's asking me to do endurance, we don't need a lot of muscle. So, all I would do is walk. You'd be an incline walk at the highest bit of intensity if I'm doing any sort of like formal cardio. The rest was just done in steps. What happens to a lot of people is they'll do the cardio,

they'll see the scale weight go down. Yeah. But their body fat percentage does not go down because they've lost muscle along with body fat. So if you just want to lose, you know, go down in size, then I would say that's fine. But if you're trying to get lean and maintain muscle, I mean, again, I'm gonna just go back to what I said earlier.

Cardio is a great way to build stamina, endurance. It can be very healthy, just to increase activity. I'm not anti-cardio. It's just people who use it for something that it's not great at. Oh, I just want to get lean. It's not a great way to get lean. Great way to get lean is strength train and diet. That's the way that you get lean. And the only reason why competitors use cardio is because they exhaust all methods. You're looking at a very extreme situation where every calories counted, every drop of water is counted, their volume is equated,

they're just like at the very end, but I mean, the average person, no. Now, I think they should do cardio for health. I think it's good for you. But you're talking about just getting leaner, in which case I'd say, no, don't do any, don't worry about it. Yeah, you're just gonna keep in mind what the signal you're sending the body

by doing cardio while also cutting calories. I mean, you wanna know a real quick way to lose muscle. That's the fastest. Is that's the recipe right there? High intensity cardio for a long duration in addition to low calories is the fastest way to reduce muscle mass. And so I'm trying my best to manipulate my program,

reduce calories and create more movement like walking throughout the day as much as I can before ever having to use cardio. And if I can do it without ever doing that, I won't. And now the only reason why, when you get down to like four or five percent, that's what it gets created.

It gets really difficult to shred every last bit of body fat on you. So that extra push on cardio kind of makes sense. But unless you're getting on stage, you could get down to six percent body fat and never do form of cardio at all. Okay. All right. Yeah.

Yeah. Because I've ran, like I said, that program I've seen tremendous results from it. And I was one of those that just kind of did the bros split, you know, never did legs. And then I started doing your programs, phenomenal programs, by the way. So then I just decided, all right, well, two days a week for anabolic, you know, maybe I'll incorporate some running, just to kind of, I guess, amplify the burn, but that makes sense. I mean, I understand what you all are saying. I just, I was curious if you could incorporate it into a cut,

but, you know, I, Well, could in most optimal or two different things, could you, yes, is it most optimal? No, not if your goal is to hang on to as much muscles possible. And let me tell you what the people that will try and counter this argument with me that are the science nerds. The biggest benefit to this, this aspect of shredding out or building muscle that cardio makes sense is when you, it hinders your workouts.

So if you can't do, you know, say sets of 15 in squats and your gas, cardiovascular, and your muscles aren't fatigued, then there's huge value in building endurance, building endurance in order to push your body and the weights like that. But if you've got pretty good endurance like that, and you could say do 20 reps of squats with good weights and stuff like that, and it's your legs that give out

before your heart gives out on you, meaning you add a breath type of deal. Then you're probably pretty damn good as far as your cardiovascular endurance. People think that you have to get on this like formal treadmill to be doing something that's strengthening the heart. You do some supersets or 20 sets of squats and you're going to build some pretty damn good cardiovascular endurance.

You know, and I would challenge anybody that doesn't believe that to go try that and do that. And so, and that's a much better strategy to leaning out while also maintaining muscle is doing 20 sets of 20 reps of squats. You're gonna get those benefits, the cardiovascular benefits while also hanging on to more muscle that way. Versus you're taking that same period of time and getting on a treadmill and going for runs. Does that make sense? Yeah, of course. Okay.

All right. I just want to say two things. Number one, I listen to other podcasts and this is a shout out to Doug, the vocals and the acoustics in your studio are phenomenal. It's hard listening to another podcast. Second thing, there was like an Aussie guy on this show like two weeks ago and he mentioned something about how you guys provide

like tremendous content about being fathers and stuff like that. And I just want to second that. He provided a really nice comment to you guys and yeah, you guys do a really good job kind of explaining fatherhood and being almost father figures to everybody else you guys and yeah, you guys do a really good job kind of, you know, explaining Fatherhood and, you know, being, you know, almost Father figures to everybody else

that are not, you know, in this, in this space. So, yeah, man, you guys are doing great. Thank you, Rob. That's actually one of our favorite compliments here that I appreciate that. Yeah, yeah. Thanks, guys. Hey, wait, wait, wait, did you,

do you not have map performance? No, I've, no. I'm gonna have Doug send that to you, because that's, I think that's, that would be a great program for you also. So, we'll, let Doug send that to you because that's I think that's that would be great program for you also So so let's add that to you. All right. Thank you guys. You got it. I appreciate that this is where we get the the You know this oh, yeah, labeling that I don't know in the comments

You'll have some fun. More on's right listen cardio is good for you. You should do some cardio. It's healthy activities Good for you. You should do some that kind of activity. It's good for you. Yeah, do some cardio. It's healthy. Activities good for you. You should do that kind of activity. It's good for you. It's a terrible way to get lean. It is not a great strategy to get lean. It's not a fat burning button. What looking at your diet and doing strength training is a much more effective way of losing just pure body fat.

That's it. So if you're doing cardio for the sake of trying to lose body fat, I mean, can you use it that way? You can. It's not a very effective approach. It doesn't work very well. And it often results in muscle loss because people of the way they abuse it or utilize it. So that's just it. That's the bottom line. So the question was, should I do, do I need to do cardio to get lean now? And it's probably not even the, it's, and it's also not the most effective way. Our next color is TJ from Utah

TJ what's happening? How can we help you hey not much what about you guys pretty good man? Yeah chilling cool Hey, thanks for taking my question and Appreciate all the content that you guys put out for us So I'll just read my question so I can be concise. I'm 42 years old, been consistently lifting for about two and a half years. I've been pretty active in my life though. I have ran four maps program with the last one being symmetry. And it seems like most maps programs have a heavy lifting phase, kind of heavy lifting low rep phase. And it seems like, or when I lift heavy on the bench, my right shoulder hurts. When I lift heavy doing squats and dead lifts, my back tends to hurt. Usually

haps happens at the very beginning of the phase. And so I can't really lift heavy for the remaining of the phase. I've recorded myself lifting. I can't see any obvious, anything that's obviously wrong with my form. And then I do two to three warm-up sets before these heavy lifting. And so I'm just wondering, how should I approach these heavy lifting phases when it just seems to hurt me? When you're low back hurts from your squats. Is it the center of your back?

Is it the opposite side of your shoulder or same side? It is the, just kind of right in the middle. Oh, it's dead in the middle. TJ, most people when they go into a heavy or low rep training phase, the limiting factor is whether or not they can perform the rep or whether or not they can perform the rep and what they perceive to be good form. There's nothing wrong with that, but other limiting factors include pain. So you're going to heavy. You're lifting heavier than your body is allowing you to lift with enough stability to prevent these aches and pains. So I would suggest that

when you go into these heavy phases, you drop the weight by 25%. It's just too heavy for your body at the moment. Now, as you practice this, you should be able to go heavier as you get better. But I would go lighter than you currently are. Like if I do an exercise and I feel like I could do more reps, but I hurt, I know I can't do more reps. In fact, I'm doing too much weight already. So you need to go lighter than you currently are, find a way that where you can do the lower reps and you don't hurt.

And this may mean, or probably what it means is the intensity is much, much lower. You may do five reps of the weight that you feel like you could do eight reps with, or ten reps, but that's the right way for you for those low rep phases. And that's how you need to treat them. TJ, are you in the forum? Yes. You are in the forum. I mean, I would love to see a video of your squats front and side.

Okay. That would give us some better perspective. Because there could be something that one of us sees, right? Sometimes people will feel like they don't notice anything or see anything. One of us will quickly see something like your foot on one side is, you know, externally rotating or pronating or your right shoulder is more forward than your left shoulder. And so, you know, those little, those little, those little balances like that run up the kinetic chain.

And a lot of times like you think low back. And so you're so focused on the back area or something, but it's stemming all the way from your foot more, it's stemming all the way from your upper back. And like so there could be areas in your, in your movement patterns that are off that are causing these, these chronic issues that we, we need to address too.

Right. Any city went through symmetry all the way and there wasn't any glaring imbalance or any things stability-wise that pointed out some attention for you. You just went all the way through and everything was okay. Yeah. During the process, I didn't feel any pain. I mean, the barbell bench hurts my shoulder more than the dumbbells.

Dumbbells, I'll get a little bit of pain, but it's usually after 24 hours, it's gone. So the dumbbells felt pretty good. It really though when I ended symmetry in the last phase, I was I thought I was gearing up that I could just be powerful and I felt you know that I was strong. And the first squat I thought, okay, I could take this way. And actually, I'm not squatting that much weight for my size. And so the first wrap is like, oh, this hurt.

And so I just scaled it back. And I did the same thing with the bench. I thought, this is what I could do. And I did it and it just hurt my shoulder. Yeah, I wanna see it. I wanna see it. TJ, don't make the mistake of saying, this is not a lot of weight because whatever whatever the weight is if it's

causing pain, it's not the right weight. And often how long you've been working out? You've been doing this for a long time. Two years. That's no about two and a half years consistent. Like and then before that were you an athlete? Yes. Yeah.

What'd you play? So I wrestled and played back baseball and then I've been playing old man softball for the last 20 years. I bet you've got some serious forward shoulder on one side. Right, on one side, I bet you have forward shoulder. That's what makes sense while you hurt when you bench. So here's, I'm going to have Doug Sinu maps prime. Do you not have that?

Do you have prime yet? I do have prime and I use it every once in a while. Okay, so I want I want you to be religious about doing zone one. Okay, the zone one wall test and I really and just do this for me the next time you go to do bench, put a lot of energy and effort into that. Like don't just kind of go through the motions like really intensify that zone one before and spend an extra five, 10 minutes on that. And then go to your bench and see if you notice a significant difference in how your bench feels

on your shoulder. I guess heavy emphasis on the external rotation. You're really squeezing into it and connect before you bench and see what that does. Yeah, I asked you if you were an athlete because it's really challenging when you have a background in athletics, especially you said wrestling, especially wrestling because, I mean, you know this, when you train as a wrestler, like what makes you succeed is your

ability to just go through, grueling, like crazy, ridiculous workouts. And you've done a lot of exercises. You might not have lifted weights, but you did pushups and just all kinds of movements. And so you've got movement patterns that are so ingrained in you. And you have this, a different relationship with pain and grueling struggle that it's going to be really hard for you to gauge kind of what you're doing, what's going on. Like your movement patterns may be so ingrained that you're like, oh, this feels, this looks perfect, what's going on. And there's nothing wrong with sticking with dumbbells

for a while. How's that going in terms of your bench? And, and, you know, maybe like being more on, and on the incline bench, for instance, just to kind of place you in better position biomechanically. Yeah, I, uh, dumbbells are a little easier on my shoulders or specifically my rights. So I could focus more on that. With the squatting and the dead list, so I don't use a belt.

You guys talk about not using a belt. And so I don't. Is that something that I should implement or just go lighter? No, that's not going to do it. That's a bandit. Yeah. All right, so look, TJ, how much weight would you use, let's say, on a 5x5 deadlift? So I would be like 325.

Okay, here's what I want you to do. Let's go to 25. Yeah, that's good weight, dude. Go to 25 and slow the reps down, squeeze through the range of motion and make that 225 five reps feel hard. That's what I mean by going lighter. Okay, so take whatever your weight is, go much lighter and then make it feel heavier by slowing the rep down, by squeezing, by contracting through the range of motion. So you want to make your much lighter weight hard

for a fine run. Even more muscle tension than you're used to. So just, especially if we're addressing too, there might be like a portion of the rep down towards the bottom where you disconnect a little bit from your core bracing. And this might be like just one of those things, we use momentum a lot of times too.

When we get down in the hole and we'll spring back up. So to do that intentionally and squeeze and be very slow. And again, that lighter weight. So the whole wrap is just this big muscle tension exercise. I mean, I feel it, TJ, if you're willing to do it, okay? And put the videos up on the forum of your big lives, dead lives, squat, bench press, I have a feeling that we're going to be able to

see more into what's going on. I think we can be more specific with, probably, by seeing your movement. I've got to, I mean, the fact that you were a wrestler and a baseball player from most of my athletes, I had more, were the most inbalanced clients. Oh my God. Every athlete, every sport. Because you have to, you have to think that, when you played baseball, you always, if you're right-handed,

you always throw with your right hand, and you throw way harder with that side. That creates... Not torque and twist, but you get on your ass. Even wrestling, I bet your takedowns are with one leg, like you probably led with one leg. And you're always rolled forward when you're, so, and you do that for years and for

hundreds and thousands of reps, you get so good at it, your body forms and shapes that way. And then you go do something where I want you to be like mechanical and a squat chest up shoulders back in this in this perfect line, you're you're not going to be you're going to be off a tiny bit. And so there's I think if I see every see you move, I think we're gonna be able to give you better. Imagine there may be an asymmetrical shift there, that would be my... Yeah, but you know, and again, I'll defer back to what I said. Like I can make a weight that's 30% lighter than what I can normally do, feel just as heavy. I know, but you first need to first break down what's going on so you can cue.

Of course, right. So let's take it. But my point with this is the low, it's not the low reps. It's not the low reps. It's not the exercise. It's how you move. And so lightning up, slowing it down is definitely the first step. But then the next step is us getting to the bottom of where the breakdown is. And then teaching you the cue that you need. Like your, your cue may be, oh, I need you to have your head up more. Or oh, what's happening is your right shoulders rolling forward. So I really need you to put emphasis head up more. Or, oh, what's happening is your right shoulder's rolling forward. So I really need you to put emphasis on squeezing your shoulder blades when you do that bench press.

Like, if I see the movement, I'll have a better advice on how to cue you, but yes, sounds right. Like, it's not the heavy squats. It's that you were not moving correctly through them, and that's what's causing you to run. And when you go, and when you go heavy to a weight that you have, that you struggle, and that's what's causing it. And when you go and when you go heavy to a weight that you struggle lifting, because that's what you think you're supposed to do, and oftentimes it is, then any deviation, any imbalance, any lack of stability just gets super blown up.

It gets super exposed. I mean, you deadlift 320 pounds, and if you're off a little bit, it's not going to feel good. Now you go down to 225, and you slow the rep down and you make it feel heavy. You're not going to run into the same problems typically. So. I mean, this is the most valuable part, I think, of our form, in my opinion. I think the clients, I mean, because this is the toughest part of our job of communicating on this podcast.

They're just speculating. Yeah, we're over here guessing with our experience what we see in most people, but it's like you could be totally different. And so having that, and then we have people in there like Dr. Brink, who are their movement specialists. Like that is like his forte. We're breaking down my career. And you know, he'll be able to take it

to a whole other level than we will. So if you tag us and Justin Brink to see you move, we're gonna give you much better insight. And we'll send you, if you don't have primal, send that to you. He's already got it. Oh better insight. And we'll send you, if you don't have prime, we'll send that to you. He's already got it. Oh good. Yeah.

You got everything you need. You just need to figure it out. It's cold over there. He freeze. He froze in. It's Utah. Yeah, no worries. He's got great hair.

No worries. Yeah, the reason why I kept saying that was, it's good general advice for anybody listening. Yeah, I know you like. Right? It's like, oh my god, I want to go heavy. it's good general advice for anybody listening. Yeah, I'm not that good right. Right, right. It's like, oh my God, I want to go heavy. I hurt. It's not the heavy.

It's that it's too heavy for your ability to stabilize. And you can make a weight feel heavy just by changing the tension and the rep, you know, maintain control and tension. 100%. Bodybuilders do this all the time in order to connect the muscles, but you can do this also to strengthen stabilization.

Well, this is also the camp that like our friends like the Jordan Shalow stuff like that Like this is this is their philosophy or the answer for everything is to just lighten the load practice the movement Yeah, you lighten the load you keep practicing the movement and get better and better eventually you'll create better patterns But I also think there's a faster way to this if we can figure out. Well, the more individualized it might be. Yeah, yeah. So if we can figure out how he's moving and what, but I mean, you're a wrestler and you're a baseball player for a long time. Those are like some of the athletes that had the most in balance.

So, yeah, there's a lot of repeated patterns stress there. Yeah. And when you say shoulder stuff like on the bench, it's normally rounded forward shoulder. It's like that's what's going on. Look, check this out. Go to Instagram, mind pump media for under $5 a month. You'll get a workout every single week, a new workout every single week.

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