Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2106: How Gaining Weight Can Help You Get Leaner, What to Do if Your Gym Gains Have Stalled, Ways to Overcome an Unhealthy Relationship With Exercise & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: June 28, 2023

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: The BEST way to get flexible is to lift weights. (2:11) Adding more value to the audience for FREE! (13:47) Turning ADD into a superpower. (19:41) Updates on homeschooling. (30:50) The merkin mission. (33:55) Imagine being buried alive. (38:21) The most messed up prank of all time. (40:24) Is ‘blue balls’ a real thing? (41:31) Netflix’s interesting strategy. (43:43) Who is leading in the streaming wars? (47:39) Why you FEEL the effects of CBD products from Ned. (50:13) Kreatures of Habit, bulking hack? (54:42) Shout out to Cressey Sports Performance. (56:58) #ListenerLive question #1 – Can you help me figure out what I can do in terms of my calorie count for my activity level? I was diagnosed with fibromuscular dysplasia last August and am also premenopausal. I am limited to 30 lbs. for weights, and I am not supposed to get my heart rate past 165. (58:52) #ListenerLive question #2 – How can I reverse the damage and trauma I have put my body through physically over the past 10-12 years? I cannot seem to find a place where I feel rested and ready. (1:17:51) #ListenerLive question #3 – I am stuck in a plateau. I am considering a MAPS program, but I am not sure where to start. I am 40 and have been lifting for over 2 years. (1:45:05) #ListenerLive question #4 – I am not happy with my physique, but when I have a pump, I like the way I look. What should I take away from this? Does it mean I am close to my aesthetic goal? (1:51:15) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Visit NED for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit Kreatures of Habit: Meal One for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code MP25 at checkout** June Promotion: MAPS Cardio or Summer Shredded Bundle or the Bikini Bundle 50% off! **Code JUNE50 at checkout** Mind Pump #1787: Lifting Weights Is Best For Flexibility MAPS Fitness Performance Mind Pump Newsletter Ask Mind Pump AI ADHD: The Facts - Attention Deficit Disorder Association ADHD: The Entrepreneur's Superpower - Forbes Mind Pump #2052: Chalene Johnson: Female Fitness Mogul THE CURIOUS CASE OF MERKINS Woman declared ‘dead’ found alive in coffin during her own wake Man fakes his own death and arrives at funeral in helicopter Netflix password crackdown boosts new subscribers to highest level since Covid began Visit NutriSense for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code MINDPUMP at checkout** Mind Pump #1830: Five Steps To Determine Your Ideal Caloric Intake MAPS Fitness Anabolic MP Holistic Health Mind Pump #2095: How To Smash Through A Strength Plateau Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Chalene Johnson (@chalenejohnson) Instagram Dr. John Delony (@johndelony) Instagram Jonathan Pageau (@jonathan.pageau) Instagram Cressey Sports Performance (@cresseysportsperformance) Instagram Christina Hathaway (@mindsetofmattercoaching) Instagram  

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The best way to get flexible, lift weights, that's right, getting stronger gives you real world flexibility. Now I'm not just talking about passive range of motion, that's nice, you can do the splits, great, but do you have strength with that new range of motion? Functional flexibility is what counts. Otherwise, you're like a toddler. Great. You can sit in weird positions, but you put load on your back and you get hurt. So you want functional flexibility, the kind that prevents injury, lift weights with the full range of motion. It's the best way to get that. Don't get fun. I don't think this is um, this pisses people off by the functional. Yeah, I also don't think that it's still common knowledge. I think it's still uh

I still think most people think that lifting heavy weights is what makes you tight and uh not flexible. Yes. So uh this and be honest that this is not something that I I fully understood even as a young trainer when I first started training because you feel soreness and tightness in the muscle and if you ever lifted chest heavy or legs heavy the next day you try to move, you do. You feel stiff. So you think, oh, okay, well, lifting weights is not the best thing for flexibility.

Well, the key is doing it right, right? Because you can make yourself tighter if you lift wrong. Like if you always train in the same planes of movement, okay, you can get really strong in particular exercises, but then because you're weak outside of that, let's say, laterally or rotationally, then your body tightens you up because you have all the strength going in one direction.

It'll tighten you up so that it doesn't allow you to move outside of that, because all that power can then hurt you. So it can make you tight if you do it wrong. The key here is to train with a variety of movements, training all different planes of movement, and to train with the full range of motion. Now what happens is you get strong with that new range of motion. Otherwise, it's like that example I gave, like I have a seven month old daughter.

She's flexible as hell. I mean, she could put her toes in her mouth and I could bend her all over the place, but she's unstable. That's not flexibility. That's actually a recipe for injury. And trainers who've worked with lots of people have encountered this occasionally

where you have that hyper flexible, weak client. And those people hurt themselves. It's instability. So long static stretching, what that does that increases range of motion, but it doesn't give you functional flexibility in the real world. It's all about functional flexibility. It's not about range of motion. Well, I know this was an evolution for all of us. I'm definitely, it was for me in terms of like stretching my clients out and trying to get them to achieve like certain new ranges

of motion. And so a lot of times would intervene and would help kind of be that sort of external force to help kind of pull their arm back like and get it to go a little bit further back passively. But they could never hold and sustain it or try to do that on their own. And then you know, once I figured out that like adding muscle tension, right? So if I'm doing this now and I'm squeezing my muscles and pulling and trying actively to get in that position, you can move there. You can go further and also you have access to be able to actually lift weights or do something functionally in that range of motion. Well, do you think what also contributes to the stigma around lifting weights, making

you tighter and less of a range of motion has to do with after you train a muscle, especially in an exercise you haven't done a long time, the soreness is typically in the origin or insertion of the muscles where you feel most and so you tend to like when you're sore from the next or you don't want to move to that range of motion because it's like you know you just you just trained it hard and so because your sore and the soreness is normally at the end ranges of motion, that it feels like, oh, that's shortening my range of motion up, but it's just because you're signaling to your body.

Well, look, think of it this way. Think of a, I don't wanna go for. I'm gonna use an analogy to see if this works out. Like, imagine a super powerful train on rails, okay? The more powerful and fast that train goes, the less sharp turns can be because any sharper and it can go right off the rails because it requires

tremendous amount of stability to support that speed. So you can't take super sharp turns because of that momentum. Okay, so if you train with short ranges of motion, like bodybuilders do, you do the same exercises, you don't rotate, you don't train laterally, you don't train all the different planes of motion, your body will actually tighten up to limit where you can access that power

because you're so strong pressing forward, but you've got no strength with stabilizing your, let's say internal external rotation. Well, now yeah, you do get, you can find yourself getting a little tighter. That's why this is so important that you do it, you can find yourself getting a little tighter. That's why this is so important that you do it right. But if you train right and do it properly and train all those planes of movement and

train them full range of motion, what happens is you develop strength and stability in all of these. Now you have real functionality. And again, I'll go back to this. Like, you could be hyper flexible, but if you don't have strength, you're screwed. You're going to dislocate joints. You're going to injure yourself. You're going to get hurt because injury happens, not because, I mean, yes, freak things can happen, but typically injuries happen because you don't have

the strength to support yourself in a range of motion that just happened. Like you step off a curb or you reach to grab something, maybe you move faster than your stability allowed you to stabilize or you lifted something in a position where you didn't have the strengthest stability to support. Boom, you end up hurting yourself. That's how I'm doing. I mean, the analogy you're giving with a train is the example that we probably saw a lot as trainers, which was the strength training athlete

or the bodybuilder guy who decided to go throw a baseball or throw a frisbee for the first time in years. And, you know, felt like they ripped their shoulder off. It wasn't because they're so strong in a specific plane of motion that the stabilizers didn't support it. Just weren't there. You throw it and then you should be able to move in that range of motion, but because you're so strong

and one and weak outside of that, it was real easy to injure yourself. Yeah, and now this is why for the person, now somebody listening, he's like, I don't care, I just want to build muscle. Whenever I'll take that risk, you know, that would have been me, right? It was a teenager. Talked a few of those in the DMs. Or in my 20s. Now, here's the other part of this.

So yes, you'll lose flexibility. Injury risk goes up. You become less functional. So great, you look nice, but now in the real world, you're actually less capable. But here's the other part of this. Your body has protection mechanisms. It has limiters, governors.

And what it'll do is it'll actually limit your potential for strength and muscle, or it'll try to. So if your body starts to develop too much instability, your bench press won't go up, your deadlift won't go up, your squat won't go up, your overhead press won't go up. You won't build as much muscle as you can. Mobility work and training in different ranges of motion. This is why a program like Maths Performance, right?

This is an athletic functional-minded strength training program. Do you know how many body builders would build more muscle if they followed a three-month training program like that every two years? You know, just every two years, once every two years, two or three months of that style of training. So it's totally different from bodybuilding. You're not doing your normal bodybuilding training. That's okay. It's only a few months. Then you go back to your traditional training. And now what's happened is you've taken those governors that were stuck at eight and you've allowed them now to move up to nine

or 10. So now you can progress further. You can build more muscle. You can build even more strength. So regardless of what your goal is, this is something that's very important. But I do like to touch on this flexibility component because the myth, there's a myth out there that strength training is not only not the best way to get, you know, real flexibility. It actually does the opposite, totally not true.

If you do it right, you become flexible in real ways. It's the best way to train. What percentage of genetics play in flexibility? Would you say? Yeah, big. I mean, it's funny because I know that you find these yogis or guys and girls that love like doing classes like that. And many times it's less about that they got so good at doing that. They were already really

good and it had like extremely large ranges of motion in most their joints. Like is it 50% 80% is it what percentage would you say is genetics of people that have this like any physical pursuit? And it plays a role so you would you then would you categorize it just like String genetics play a role in building strength or muscle. Okay. Yeah, so so wherever you're at you can make tremendous progress But can everybody become you know the guy I went to the Cirque du Soleil performance once and there was this dude there That folded themselves He's a pretzel bro Ungotten it was it was actually disturbing like he would literally fold himself in half like a like he was like pressed in half

Like a piece of paper and that's so crazy is like yeah He starts out being super flexible, but then he actually trains it even further, right? So the point where like yeah, he can actually have his legs completely behind and then his head through He was what when he was standing normal. This is how this happens. This is my point, right? So like that's somebody who... He had a propensity towards it.

It was already like, he did, he was more flexible than somebody who probably has been working on flexibility for 10 years straight. He had it naturally. Yeah. And then he also took it to the level like a professional athlete. Well, actually, in fact, I remember, I was, because this is, remember Jessica knows people work for Cirque du Soleil. So we got to like meet some of the people whatever and we're kind of backstage

and I saw this guy walking around. And because he trains with such an extreme level of flexibility, he had the strangest looking posture and movement, like watch, you know, somebody who understands movement by on mechanics. If I didn't know that that's what he did and I just saw him walking around, I would think something is different. Something was y'all like. It was just weird. He just didn't move

like a normal person and his spine wasn't, you know, you got that normal kind of slight S curve. Yeah. It was almost like his back was totally straight almost. Yeah, it was really weird. Like, you could tell something, and it's because he did so much, like one of his key acts was he would like bend himself backwards and then twist his spine and walk his feet around while he was doing it. I know. I have a hard time watching that stuff, do you? Yes. It's hard to watch it.

I don't know why that is. It feels weird. Yeah, there was also this person who did. It was alien. There was also this woman and another one I went to where they heard ponytail, shed hair, it's been a ponytail. And she hung from her hair.

And she would spain the crazy acrobatics. And then my daughter pointed this out. She goes, oh my God, look at her hairline. And then I wasn't able to pay attention, I looked. And you could tell she'd ripped out so much hair that like her hair started right here. Cause that's not she's right. Oh my God.

And her neck must be so. Yeah. Like there's gotta be some long-term. I've seen that, I've seen them hold on with their teeth and are those like clamps that they have, you know, where they just have piercings that they hang. Oh. So people do like crazy stuff with their skin. I mean, it's, it's fascinating.

I do, I do like to see the extremes though, like I appreciate it, you know, people that put that kind of like discipline into the training. The thing about extremes, I think that messes people up, is that they look at extreme physical pursuits or athletes and then they attribute a style of training to creating that. Yeah. Yeah. Reality. It's like they're genetically gifted for that. Then they train at such a ridiculous,

obsessive-art. Already being gifted, yes. They've surpassed. They've gone well beyond like, this is good for me. Now into like, this is not good for me. And so you can't really judge, you know, it's just it's a spectacle. It's not something to pursue.

It's a judging strength training by looking at a probiotic builder. It's like, no, that's not that strength. Yeah, it is strength training, but there's extreme. It's well beyond what the average person would even want. So anyway, I want to do bring something that's like for you. Yeah, it is strength training, but there's extreme. It's well beyond what the average person would even want. So anyway, I want to do bring something that's like off subject. So there's a little bit of a left turn here, but I keep forgetting to talk with us.

And I figure since I've been kind of a grumpy bear lately, that I should say something. You can get some of that. Is that one of the care bears? Yeah, it's me. It's me bear. I'm actually my favorite one. You make it so cute.

Yeah. No, I have been. So you, and honestly, there's a lot of cool stuff that's happening behind the scenes and with the business. And I know that the beginning of this year that we set out on this mission of add value, add value. Very similar to how we built this company. And of course, like any other business,

real easily you can get into the weeds of revenue streams and breeding prior year. And what's next and scaling and growing. And we've been on that trajectory for the last five plus years since we started this and something that we all got together and was during this kind of COVID recession time and a lot of thought went into like, you know what, this year coming up

or the focus is gonna really go back to the mindset of what built this business, which was providing so much value and free content and value and something that we haven't brought up in a while that is doing really well, it's free. It's the newsletter that you have access to. I mean, we've invested in a professional writer to Darren who's incredible and we're evolving it, right?

So the reason why the help and support I'm gonna ask for our audience is for the feedback. You can actually sign up just to receive the newsletter if you don't want any sort of promotion or anything else. I know it's like to not want your email flooded, so this is a newsletter that comes out. Once every other week or once a week, Doug, you know what it is right now. It's every other week. Every other week right now, hopefully we'll scale that up to more.

The illustrations on it are great. And then the writing, it's amazing. Yeah, it's incredible. It's a very interesting. It's a very super witty writer. And it's a great way to kind of summarize the content. If you're not an everyday listener of the podcast and you want an overview of some of the stuff that we talked about in the previous week, and oh, that might be an episode, I

want to go listen to and get an idea of what it's about. And we're adding things to it like fitness tips and stuff like that. So we're trying to evolve it, make it even more valuable and better. The idea is to bring the type of value that we've created in the podcast and the other channels that we have into the email list, email list being transparent has been primarily used for us for marketing. It's been we've grown this huge email list and it's been used to basically just let our audience know when their sales and things like that And one of the things we want to do is to find a way to actually add value to that and that's one big thing And that's been going it's been going for the last few months and it's been going well the other thing that is officially live and going

Is the askminepump.com which I think this is an AI model Yes, this will answer the the challenge has will answer the challenge since we started the podcast, the goal was to kind of give good information and maybe change the direction of the industry a little bit or to counter a lot of the crap that's out there. And so one thing we do better than anybody in our space, I'll say this very confidently, is we do, we produce more content.

So what we do, five episodes a week, we've been doing this for since almost the beginning. So we got a lot of podcasts out there, we got a lot of thousands of hours out there. So what this AI model does, this was really cool, you go to AsminPump.com. You ask it a question and it goes through our episodes and it answers it the way we would answer it in our voice, essentially. And we've covered topics like multiple times. And so this is a helpful way to get you right to those impactful episodes, those impactful articles,

like anything we've put out with that specific subject matter. It's like boom, here you go. Because I mean, half the time, like we're not podcasting or doing anything else with business, it's like we're just trying to answer questions for people as best as we can. I don't remember what point it was for you guys, but I do remember there was a transition in early on when the show was small and we were able to talk to every single one of our

DMs and answer almost every question that came across. I think we did a pretty good job of doing that. Then at one point, it tipped beyond that. We were still scrambling to try and answer and help as many people as we could. And then it came to a point where almost every DM or every time I answered somebody, what I really, all I was really doing was spending 15 to 20 minutes finding the answer that we had already created for that. Yeah.

And then just basically sending the link, oh, go to this, go to minute 15 of this episode, we talk about that in depth, or, oh, here's this blog article, oh, who's this white paper salar, or here's this free guide that we have. We have so much content now that it's, you literally can find anything related to health, fitness, nutrition, training, hormones, peptides.

I mean, you name it, we've probably already talked about. Do you guys know that who runs our social media uses it to answer questions in the DM? Who's using some of the questions? I've seen some like real specific, like, target answers. So answers, I'm like, oh, that was a good one. Every once in a while, I'll go in the DMs

to see if I can answer questions, right? Every once in a while. And recently, I went in there, and there was, I don't remember what the question was, but it was answered so well. And I'm like, in this thing, the person who runs our social media knows fitness, okay.

But this question was answered like I had spent an hour breaking it down. It was a deep medical question that was asked, Chokey is the one who runs it, and Chokey does have her bachelor's already in Kinesh and our field, but again, it picks up all of our content, so it picked up Dr. Arlo's episode, who is a doctor that specializes in it.

And it's like when he said on the episodes about it. Yes, so it literally gave an answer. And I've seen other ones now where I'm like, oh, she's using our thing to answer questions. I told her I didn't sell her out and tell her tell you that she was using that. Oh, I knew I could read you though. Like who real this?

But I've been trying to share it with all the employees to do that. I mean, it's just, it's incredible how accurate it is. And it will only get better as more people use it as we continue to compile more content and add to it, but so far, so good. Yeah, I wanna ask you guys a question. Have you, have you, any of you guys ever been tested

for ADD? Have you? No. Tested, no. Never been tested. You guys ever suspect you have. You all have it. No, I mean, there's no way we know.

So I was, so I'm the only one I got, I guess, in this room that's been tested, right? It's an adult. Yeah. Remember, I, I ace the test. I got a perfect score. Anyway, I was reading about it last night. So, you know, typical to someone with ADD, I either,

it's like an on and off switch. I'm either way too interested in something or I'm not interested at all. If I'm not interested at all, it's very hard to get me to even pay attention. If I'm very interested, it's hard to take me away. I become hyper focused. And this is a trait, right?

So I just went down as kick on ADD because I read this article, check this out. Out of the total population, roughly 5% of people have ADD or what's called neurodivergent. Okay, neurodivergians, it's all. Okay, yeah, so 5%. Now neurodivergians is, there's ADD in there, there's autism, these are all these different ways dyslexia believes in there as well,'s ADD in there, there's autism, these are all these different ways, dyslexia I believe is in there as well, but ADD is 5% of the total population. What percentage of entrepreneurs? Oh, 95.

No, not that high. Oh, that was 80%. Almost 30%. Oh, wow. I mean, that's still that you're looking at six times more likely, or six times more people. If you have ADD, you're 100% more likely to start a business. So twice is likely to start a new business.

So I stumble upon this woman who is going on the speaking tour and she's basically speaking out against trying to squash this out of kids. So she says, look, what we're trying to do is we're trying to force the kid to fit the environment when what we should do is we should we're trying to force the kid to fit the environment when what we should do is we should change the environment to fit the kid. And so she says with ADD, she says this is a natural evolutionary trait. There's a gene in particular called the DRD4 gene. And this helps with

encourages novelty seeking. It helps with fast moving and changing environments. This is all entrepreneurship, right? So she says, people with ADD, what we're needed to think of different things, to hyper focus on certain things, to seek out novelty and risk. And so immigrants tend to have higher amounts, entrepreneurs that have higher amounts.

I thought about this country and the high rate of immigrants and entrepreneurs. It's like we've kind of filtered more of these people in here to have the seeding ground for innovation. Yes. Yeah. Pretty crazy. Yeah. I think it explains the habit that I used to have, which is like I would love the process

of building a business. This is what they talked about. I love so much. And then you get bored. And then you get bored. Yes. And then I was over it. It was like, once I had the Achilles heel.

Yeah, once I proved that I could do it and I was successful at it, I was already bored with it. And I wanted to do it. No, this is the first business I've ever done. We're having them in board. Yeah. Because there's so many things that we can keep for soon. That's why.

If you really think about it, I mean, if you were to, it's constantly challenging for this. Well, I mean, when I think back to all the small businesses that I built or had success with, and if you were to say that's a business by in itself, and then you were to look at this one, there's like nine of those within this. Yeah.

So that, so it's like a new, yeah, and then every year we add, there's like a new layer. Yeah, and then every year we add a new leg or a new layer to it. So it's always giving you that sense of starting a new business. I feel like even when we're not, it's all underneath this one.

So- It just, you know, I wish, well, I'm glad. I'm glad it wasn't super popular when we were kids to treat. And thankfully I found my passion soon, so I went in that direction because I would have struggled, I tell you what man, I got away with my type of ADD for a long time because I also have a really good memory for certain things, so I could kind of get away, but when it came to the point where as you progress in in school, you need to be more organized.

And you have to learn concepts based on older concepts. And you have to be able to organize how you study. When that started to happen, I started to kind of struggle with subjects that I wasn't interested in, had I not found fitness and gotten to the gym? Because I started doing that at a high school, I would have been, it would have been so tough for me

to continue with traditional education and college. I mean, it would have been so tough for me to continue with traditional education and college. I mean, it would have been really hard. It's an interesting thought because I do wonder a lot of times if they had some kind of different schooling for me available because I know that this is such a good fit for me in entrepreneurship. It's a great fit. But in terms of me actually grinding my way through that discipline of having to be organized, having to be on time, having to complete tasks and do things methodically and approach it like that.

I wouldn't have worked on that. I'd been like, oh, fuck that. Let somebody else do that. But having that skill, I had needed that skill to then actually create an environment for me to enjoy the true talent that I think that I possess. Yeah, it can't be all bad to have to learn to fit in this, you know, the way this education system that we've decided to run, right?

Like, there's got to be some value in that you've had to learn, even though it's not your personality and what you would gravitate. Well, I guarantee all of us develop skills to be able to deal with it. I know I did. You know what, I'll give you an example. Yeah, I found a lot of cheats around things.

Well, I'll give you an example. Like for me, I put certain objects, the only in certain places in the house, and here at work, you'll notice I always put certain things in the exact same place. Why? Because as a kid, I would lose shit. And so I developed this, I developed this behavior

where my keys only go here or here. I'll never put them down anywhere else. So my wallet only goes here or here, or my, you know, whatever goes only here or here. Otherwise, I'll lose it. Or as a manager, as a general manager of a gym, if I got a, like a paper that I had to sign or read over, I did it right then in there. Because I knew if I put it down gone. It's the same. Like I'm responding to somebody you're addressing a problem. I have to do it right then. Yes. I would write then. Or like, you know, sitting my day up, I have to have my clothes there looking

at me. Ready to go. I want to look for it at all. It just fucks me up. You know what? You remember when we had Shilline Johnson on here and we brought up the, she brought up that one of her first tips for somebody before they start to lose weight. So that is to like declutter their house.

Yeah. I was watching the John Deloney speech, a speech that I didn't get a chance to see it when we were at Ramsey and it was really good. And, you know, he had a part in there that I thought was really interesting. And I think I forget who he was like some, was it in a monk? It was some, some minimalist guy that, that told him that, you know, every, every materialistic thing that we have is communicating to us at all times. And so he made the comment of like when you, and then he kind of told him,

like when he first heard of, it was like, oh, whatever, that's bullshit or whatever, and then he gives this great example of like walking through his house and walking past the dishes and the dishes are full of sink and him going like, oh my God, I should do that, I don't wanna do that. And then he goes through like this, this, and then he goes by his gym and his house

and he hasn't worked out in three days. And then he goes through like this and then it goes by his gym and his house and he hasn't worked out in three days. And it's like, it's like, man, it's so true. The more things that you have in your house, especially if it starts to clutter up and it's, you can see it at all times, that even it, like it's not literally talking to you, but it's like, it is mentally distracting you and taking energy away from other things that you could potentially focus on. And such a cool, and Sholeen Johnson was actually

the first person that I've ever fitness person that I've ever heard give that as a, as a, as a, I think it's really smart. Yeah, it's a really, and I, and when I think back to my, personally, that that has to, I have to have my house in order. If I'm gonna go do like my workout, there's stuff that I have that has to be first for me to feel like I'm gonna go do something

else in addition to that because if I go do that and that's still out of order, I can't seem to be all in. I'm still gonna be hanging on it. Yeah, totally. You know what's interesting too is as I was reading about this is no two people are the same. Some people are way more over here on certain things and other things are way more over here.

Like the organization piece I have to be I gotta be as bad as it gets. I can just, I don't think there's anybody. I don't think I can get any worse. And, you know, people say, oh, you just don't try. You don't, no, no, you don't understand. Like, this is me trying for years. Like, this is me, this is as good as I've been able to get with some of my organization. But on the other side, if I get hyper focused, you won't find anybody who can digest and absorb and remember

and regurgitate information like I can. So that became, for me, a superpower that really wasn't useful until I started a podcast. It was good for conversations. It's pretty much 35 years ago. Ah, you're a closing machine. Yeah, I mean, it was cool. It was cool when I was a trainer because I could talk to people about cool stuff. Sounded out a lot of random cool magic tricks before. Well, you know, the podcast is great, right, because I could talk to people about cool stuff. Like, sound there was a lot of random cool back cool magic trick

before. Well, you know, on the podcast, it's great, right? Because I could talk about different things. So about my commercial jingles. Yeah, that was shit. Yeah, exactly. You know, I'm sorry, anyway. It's just, I loved it.

But yeah, I went down to rap a whole about that and it made a lot of sense. I mean, I would think that we all kind of have a little bit of it for sure. Well, imagine if when you were a kid, I was thinking about this. Like, imagine, I was thinking when I was a kid, if I had a really good, like really good teachers, or let's say my parents' homeschooled me

were super aware of this. They just weren't, but let's say they were, they would have been able to point me in directions that I wanted to go, and I would have just been a machine. Yeah. I remember specifically being in history class, specifically, and it was just boring. The teacher was crappy and whatever.

I'm just sitting there and I picked up the textbook and I got into ancient history and I read the whole book in two days. The rest of the whole year, I paid no attention, but the teacher constantly tried to get me to pick on me to, oh, he's not paying attention. Sal, so what's the answer to whatever? And I knew the answer. And I remember I was frustrated to shout out, because I know you were talking to somebody.

How do you know that? I read the whole fucking thing in two days because I really got into it, the noun board. Well, I mean, when you think about how our education system was structured and informed and for what reason. It wasn't for entrepreneurs. No. No.

So it's like, I mean, do a little bit of digging and find out the history of that. And then go ahead and make the decision for yourself. Do you think this is ideal for most people? And who is it really serving? I know. It's for big corporations to get a bunch of worker bees working for them.

And it's like, so I guess if you just want to fall in line and you want to be that person and you're totally content with working the nine to five and having a decent salary job and that to you is what you want. Then so be it then okay, then the education system's not bad. But if you aspire for something different, it's like this is not the ideal situation. I think if you don't fit in but you're curious and passionate, there is a path for you. And just find that what your passion is, what your skill is. And there's a way to use that to your advantage. Now what do you, Justin, because I know you're, you're pointing on homeschooling, right?

Is that still the plan? Oh yeah, Jessica is going to 100%. She's, she's going to handle that. And I'm very much on board with that. So that's how you're gonna solve this. How do you plan to deal with the boys? Because they just, they strike me as they're gonna have you as their personality trait.

Like, they're gonna want that. Like, do you think about that right now? Like, and as they're going through regular schools, like, they're in a public school right now, right? So like, yeah, there's different challenges between both of them. So, Everett, in seeing Ethan's experience in junior high I wasn't real impressed. So we're looking at this nature academy for Everett.

And they offer that for junior high, which is great. So that way too, we can kind of figure out what we're gonna be with high school after that. And it's not too far away. But, you know, his friends are still kind of close proximity. And so it's, it's not like he's losing out on a lot of that. And with Ethan, it's been interesting because he just, I didn't realize this. I kind of had an inclination, but I just, I've been super

lazy lately. And I've been on him about like studying very last second and then doing all these things like where he does, he figures out that he can do make-ups and then do it, like so he'll just wait to do that, do everything like, and it drives me crazy. But he gets like, hey, dude, it's like, it's easy for, like, this stuff is too easy for him. Like, the work is, is like simple and like, the workload now that the kids have is just it's embarrassing. So I'm looking at other schools going into high school. So he'll be in eighth grade and then after that, we're gonna look at maybe going pursuing a different type of high school for him. Yeah.

And then we'll see kind of where it's at. And I'm really just trying to like, make sure it's a good fit for them individually. Like what you know, so pay attention to kind of their interests and like what strikes them is like you know, the sort of subjects and things that they're the most passionate about. What's it? What's a nature's academy? What exactly is that? So it's like it's more kind of monosaurous, like very outside and interesting. Is that a kinesthetic learning kind of situation, which he'll do so much better at?

So is that work in conjunction with the school or is that like a different school completely, like where he's not going to go to his other school? Yeah, it's a different school, but it's in the same district. District, yeah. Wow, that's awesome. Yeah, but it's like it's not everybody gets into it. It's like a small group. And so you have to, but thankfully, we kind of know somebody's pulling strings for us

with a few fingers. Yeah, I'm going to use the metular. Remember, this is a bet. I'm a P-lister. I'm a cast. Remember, you're a meth dealer. Oh, yeah, I'm a P-lister. It's podcast. Remember your meth dealer. Oh yeah, I'm a meth dealer. You know, I'll shake him down.

Let his kid in. That guy. That guy. Exactly. Dude, I, so speaking of, like going down rabbit holes of stuff, I don't know why I read about this point. It's really interesting. It was interesting to me for 10 minutes.

Do you guys know what merkins are? You remember here at Merkins? Merkins? Merkins? No. This was a thing. Pull it up because this was a thing I wanna say in the like in the like 1600s, 1700s, 1800s. So that's like a long time ago.

Markins? Yeah. So these were pubic wigs. Pubic wigs? Pubic hair wigs.igs pubic hair wigs. So you may be asking yourself why The prostitutes were them. That's let me let me let me let me Wear them so that their bush is sticking out more. So they wore pubic hair wigs In in those days we're talking like we're talking like 1500 16 all the way up to like the 1800s.

They would wear, it was a thing. They would wear these pubic hair wigs. So, what's your, what's your theory as to why? See, oh, this is it. So, wow. So, I guys hold the open a box with different than much of free triangles. I'm gonna go the evolutionary angle,

like you would probably go in this, which is that a robust bush probably means that you are more fertile and healthy. Ooh, you're close. Okay, think about how dirty or stylistic. Hold on, think about how filthy people were back then in general. Now, think about the process. Okay, so all the hair catches all the fucking dander and shit. And so you're inside. What else?

What about the the crabs and all the things that live in there? Okay, so prostitutes used to shave, they used to shave all their pubic hairs to avoid getting lice and crabs from all these, these men that they would have sex with. So you switch them out? So then you would get a merkin, which would clean, you could fucking clean the shed of it, right? And you'd put it on. So why not just rock the shaved? Because that was like it back then.

Yeah, that was an apopular thing. That was not a popular thing back then. In fact, shaved pubic area meant you were sick because back in those days, we all got rid of Lice. The way you got rid of Lice back then is you shaved your head. Oh wow. So if you had a shave to have you walk around,

people are like, oh, you got Lice. Bring back the. Bring back the Merkins. Bring back the Merkins, dude. Can you buy him still? Oh, so everyone wants to, well, I'm in the mood for like a Merkin. You know, I talk to Trina. I'm like, yeah, I'm like, we've been doing this. You know, landing strip Merkins. Yeah, I like, I love this. A little style. When we changed it up a little bit, I was so well. How would you do that? Can I get a Merkin Doug? Can you see Merkins are still used? Are they in Hollywood? This is great. In Hollywood.

What's great about this is we can do the Merkin for a week and then I can get rid of it. No, no, you know why they use them in Hollywood? So I'm gonna read about the presence of Merkins protects the actor from inadvertently performing full frontal nudity. So some contrast specifically required nipples and genitals to be covered in some way. So they'll use fake pubic hair to cover. Well that does look like a marking dose of the guy

like a little pet lizard. I don't know. I'm looking up. Can you can you order me one? I can you go to your own. Can you wear your head? Can you? Can I see so I can decide what style I will? Can you be jazzled? There you go. There's a couple right. Oh, you can't see that. I mean, Adam's gonna come to work tomorrow with a weird triangular on a two-page. It's sort of why I'm a surpriseer. He's the only one he's done. Oh, shit.

Just as a wizard. I don't know about that. Body hair, fake pubic hair, stickers. Wow, that's okay. Can I get, I mean, is this from real? Can we get like, no, no, that's all more of a, that's okay. Like a dirty blonde look.

What? Maybe they haven't, this is actually Walmart, they sell them. What? Yeah, Amazon. We're in a whole lot. Hold on, hold on. Walmart is selling body hair fake pubic hair stickers. I, what?

No, these things. Walmart sells everything. Yeah. It's going down dog. There was some more. Oh, where's there? When you went down yesterday. Well, look, the ones on eBay have, ones on eBay have it's not scrolling a little bit disturbing that everything coming up below it is children's toys. No, I get a combo. Well, it does say that that's for doll dolls right there. Yeah, but you know, they make dolls that are

Oh god. Yeah. Well, yeah, find me the best Merkin place, Doug. Okay, I'll make that my mission My Merkin mission I'm proud to be a Merkin. Yeah Merkin You guys remember a long time ago and I was talking about like back in medieval times how they used to have to kind of Add bells when they would like bury people. Oh just in case they were actually Oh, yeah, yeah, okay, so by the way, you know what they did ringer. You know what they found they did that Because they actually only buried alive. You know how they knew that they would move bodies a couple times They'd open the casket and scratch marks will be inside the

They would move bodies a couple times. They'd open the casket and scratch marks would be inside the person's head. Like the worst stuff. So you think that we've probably evolved, right? Like we've gotten more sophisticated as society and whatnot like since then. Like we know when someone's dead. Yeah, we know when somebody's dead.

We have people to confirm and all that. So I believe it's an Ecuador. It's some South American country recently where they were having a wake for their grandma. And beforehand she had like a stroke in cardiac arrest and then like they actually had the doctors, you know, pronounced her dead. She got wrapped up. She was like in the She got wrapped up. She was like in the coffin and the family members were there. They sit there for like four or five hours and they were all, you know, you know, observing and grieving

and they started to hear just like knocking noises. And just kept getting louder and louder and then the coffin started shaking and it freaked the fuck out, right? Open the gate, she's still alive. She's wrapped all the way up too. Like they wrapped her up and she was alive. Oh my God.

And fighting her way out to try and get out of the coffin. Are you serious? Yeah, this happened like recently. Oh my God. That create out terrifying. How does that even happen? Right? Like come on.

Well, there's a disease, I know there's a disease. I don't know if this was her, but there's a disease where your heart rate will slow down so much that without really paying attention or sufficient. So much to nothing. Yeah. Oh, not to that. Obviously not to nothing. Oh my God.

Pick it up. Yeah. That's crazy. Well, so along those lines, you wanna hear what I just read yesterday. So there was a guy, a dad, talk about this is the most messed up, prank of all time.

So apparently he was pissed off, I'm gonna read the bell, he got pissed off because nobody ever invited him to anything. His family never invited him to things, his cousins, his aunts, uncles, his kids. So he faked his own death. So he faked his own death. So he faked his own death and at the funeral, people are there crying, whatever. And he shows up in helicopter.

And he goes, uh, you know, this is because you guys never invite me to anything. And there's a video of it, dude. And people are like, some people are happy. Like, oh my god, he's alive. I'm people like, fuck you. That's wrong You just say something you made your point Carl. Hey, what a what a risk So you're like that'd be so risky you do that and like ends up being like shitty hardly anybody shows up

You exactly like all sad Especially if you're a guy when you just get invited nowhere You don't get any fighting words good chest that we show up to your your funeral. Because you smelled Carl. Oh, man. You should just ask. Where the other is. It's so crazy.

So I also read about, I don't know how this came up, but you guys obviously know the term blue balls. So this is actually, they think might actually be a real thing. I thought this was fake. Please say it. I thought dudes made this up to course, you know, girl, whatever. Like, if you don't, you know, have sex with me, it's gonna hurt. I'm gonna be in dire straits. Yeah, and I'm like, get out of here. That's so stupid. No, this is actually

they studied it. And they said that it might actually be a real thing. Apparently, the blood, there's vasodilation. And if it doesn't help, I guess the, you get vasoconstricted constriction after finishing. But if you don't, it can cause severe pain. And they've examined this or observed this in people. So it's a real thing. I don't know. Why do you think the term blue balls?

Because the vasodilation causes the veins and capillaries to expand and it can look blue, because this is what they're theorizing. I thought it's, I still think it's bullshit. I think, yeah. I think assholes are making a good deal. I sure felt that way when, like, girlfriend left me hanging when I was a kid. You actually got blue balls.

I mean, I didn't actually, my balls didn't turn blue. That's why I asked you where the blue thing come from, but I remember being like, that was painful. Like, emotionally or physically? No, emotionally. Yeah, emotionally Rejection maybe it was so emotional that I felt I my balls would hurt you know what you heard no

Find this way out. Yeah, I think it's relief I'm actually just relieved very I probably relieved myself by telling a home But I mean like that sleep in I get back to this you don't you don't remember that you don't remember having like a high school girlfriend And then like and then working all the up to that. Oh, yeah, it's a Never had that really not it hurt. Wow You were marrying my You were into the heavy petting.

Yeah, I was having a day. I was having a day. I was trying to drive. What did my hopes back in the year? You were 28 when you lost your regidance. Yeah, a lot of blue balls.

You got purple. That's why, dude. So many hugs. You know, I can take. The not hurts. That's terrible. That's terrible. I saw you earlier talking about Mepflix. Are they terrible. That's terrible. Being hugged. Anyway, so Adam, I saw you earlier talking about

Netflix. Are they? Oh, so they, they're doing the thing. So yeah, I brought that. I brought it up originally, like what, two or three months ago, and it's in full full swing now. So the cracking down on people sharing their past. Yeah, I was talking Andrew, and I were talking before the podcast. And, you know, he's, he's actually busted. He was stealing Netflix. No, boring. Maybe you guys haven't seen it yet,

but they've cracked down now if you're sharing passwords. Did you know the revenue went up? Pro, that's why I brought up. It's crazy. Yeah, people thought it would crush them. They had like back-to-back record months. Is that right, Andrew? It was back-to-back record months.

The number I saw is they increased just subscribers by 105%. Wow. Whoa. Yeah. All right, so we need to crack down a bunch of mooters. People share a map of the program. Well, you know what I thought about? I mean, so interesting strategy, right?

Allowing people to use it, share it, get them used to all the great, Oh, yeah. Yeah, get them kind of a dig, and then go up, and then you go, okay, we're gonna piss off a small percentage of people and be like, oh, fuck Netflix, I'm never using a gig because now I can't share it. But you're more of a big deal.

Like a 30-day trial, yeah. But more people will be like, yeah, I don't want to go without it now. I have way in the season of whatever. Yeah, or I've gotten so used to having it for so long and you just bite the bullet and think. No more strange fault. You guys think though it's the mooters

that are getting cut off. So they had never paid any money anyway. So now it's just like, okay, I guess I have to pay the money now. Yeah, so a good percentage of the mooters are gonna go. Yeah, now what I wanna, what I don't understand is gonna happen, which is so what happens to people like us who have multiple properties.

Right. And it's always the same to sign. No, no, it's attached to an idea address. So like if you and so it's more your Wi-Fi. So if this, it'll be attached to that. So it's like, because Andrew's sharing your dads, right? Yeah, so there's an option basically to just say that you're traveling.

And then if it's your account, so let's say you go to a different location where you have your Netflix account, but it's not your original home, you just put through your traveling and get a verification code and you're in. Oh, okay. So then you can't use them both simultaneously probably.

I haven't tried that. So what it'll do, okay, that makes sense. Yeah, you're pretty good. So what it'll do is it'll shoot it. So if it's mine, I'm up in trucky. I log into my Netflix there. It's gonna prompt and go right to my cell phone. Yeah.

But if I was using Justin's Disney or it's not Disney, Justin's Netflix up there at the trucky house, it would code him, and then he wouldn't verify it. Let's see it ahead of time. So that's how they're gonna, that's how they, okay, that makes sense. That's how they crack down on it. Wow, yeah, and the revenue went out.

Everybody thought that it'll go down. Just like, interesting. You know what's interesting? So something similar with Twitter, right? Elon said, you're gonna pay for verification or whatever it was like, oh my god, it's gonna kill Twitter. And we'll get to crush the revenues. How, how is Instagram? right? Elon said, you're gonna, you're gonna pay for a verification or whatever. I was like, oh my God, it's gonna kill Twitter. Right.

Crush the revenues. How, how was Instagram have they boost the revenue? Because they just start rolling out the whole blue checks are everywhere now. Yeah. Like it went up a lot to actually people. Four thousand. That was a while back. I should have bring that up.

It went up. Yeah. Instagram had to. I mean, of course, Twitter was the one that kind of set the stage. Maybe, maybe Doug or Andrew can find that. When Instagram rolled out their blue check, what did it instantly boost revenue? Like it was, you know, I don't want, it wasn't a billion, it was like millions of dollars.

And I don't know if it was like, they did that, I thought I was a million fewer. Yeah, 616 million. Sick almost. By selling 44 million. Bro. Yeah. A half a billion dollar, over a half a billion dollars.

I was like, I was like, that. Wow. That was 44 million blue checks were all sold in one day. Wow. Wow, dude, that's insane. Six hundred, six hundred, six million, twenty, twenty. What a fun day.

Just, right. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Nothing, right? This is coming up. Just blue checks falling in the face. Try it Yeah. Yeah. Nothing, right? This is coming on Skype. Just blue checks, follow your face.

Try it with our listeners. We'll verify you that you're a mind-pump listener for $4.99 right now. Yeah. It's just verified pump head. Over overnight, for $600 million. That's insane. That's crazy, man.

So you think, okay, so we actually haven't talked about this in a long time, and with you guys is, we used to debate like a year or two ago about like the streaming wars, like who's gonna win, where's it at, maybe Andrew can pull up, who's leading the way right now. I think HBO Max, Apple keeps putting out incredible content.

I think Netflix sucks, I really do. I know that's like, it's like the junk food of streaming. So, man, they haven't had any good, good, like, real quality shows a long time, like. Every once in a while, they've changed their things. I love your things like a decent like the the Arnold thing was cool. Yeah. It was a cool doc. But they have they I haven't seen like it in original that was like a Netflix original that was like, oh, that's a really good show. That's like not like the level of like what I think

Apple's catching up. They've been put a lot of money and effort into their programming for sure. So it's yeah. You know what I can, I wonder if at some point there's going to be an app that connects to all those streaming services you own. And then it just shows you the shows and then depending it doesn't matter what. So you know that Apple does that, right? So Apple, when you have Apple TV, I can see my showtime, my HBO, my Disney, my Hulu, all through the Apple. Netflix?

Through Apple, not Netflix. They're not connected at all with Netflix. I don't think my Netflix I can see through there. But like, you know, so I can be on my Apple TV dashboard and it'll put my popular shows and with that and it'll be on all those different stream platforms. Do you have Apple TV? I do, I have Apple TV.

Yeah, so you know, you don't have an Apple TV. How come? I don't know. Dude, if Disney didn't have Mandal do, I have Apple TV. Yeah, so you know, you don't have a TV? How come? I don't know. Dude, if Disney didn't have Mandalorian, I'd be out. Like that's the one thing keeping me there. Yeah. Like I haven't seen a really good show from them either,

which is weird, because they have everything. They bought every franchise. Do you know what show I watched? It didn't Katrina and I watched it. She said, and I had to wear the move for this. It's like her and I, one of our favorite movies. Miracle on ice. Like what happens to like I'm a Disney promote like doing like good old movies like that That was good. Such a good story. That's a true story. That's why yeah, so crazy

I know like that it's not like there's not a bunch of great stories like that It's like they should tell more stories like that. That was a great great. That's probably one of my favorite I am excited about the, this is the Jonathan Pagios. He's retelling fairy tales. Yeah, and so he's putting a lot of effort into old stories like snow white because I didn't we kind of talked about this before,

but they're all gonna be books. Really, really nice looking. Like four like tangible or digital. Or digital. Or digital. Like male lead, you know, fables for kids and their parents fairytales. Yeah, I can't wait to to I'm actually I'm totally gonna get the 100% Hey, I was reading about the science around

turpines yesterday, and I did not know how far the science has gotten it's gotten pretty far. You guys know what turpines are? It's basically the little, the oils that are on the plant. That's on the cannabis plant. Yes, yes. So hemp and marijuana, right? They have to give it its different flavors. Yeah, so there's cannabinoids, which like CBD, THC,

CBC, CBN, like these are all cannabinoids. But then there's the terpenes, and the terpenes give it like it's different smells like limolene Limolene I think is one of them. Mercine is another one. Pining all I think is another one So that's why some plants smell different than others Well, they didn't think You know for a long time they didn't realize that terpenes had effects on you. So You know and speaking of cannabis one strain strain is going to make you feel energized

and the ones that make you feel sleepy and relaxed. They thought it was the cannabinoids. Right. But what used to fly in the face of that was, well, the cannabinoid profile is very similar between this one and this one, but why is this one knocked me out? And this one making me hyper. It's the terpenes. So, two terpenes in particular, but it was reading about limiting, provides antidepressant effects, and they say it brains the effects of the cannabinoids. Mercine provides calming and sedative effects. This is the couch lock phenomena or relaxing type phenomena.

Okay, so where am I going with this? This is part of the entourage effect that you get when you consume full plant versus going with like, let's say you just use CBD. Oh, I rarely study studies on CBD. It's good for inflammation, it does this, that, and the other. And then you go work with a company like Ned, who we work with, that doesn't just use CBD. They don't take an extract of a cannabinoid

from the plant and take everything out. They take the whole plant. They'll breed a plant for a particular profile, but they'll take the whole plant, put in oil or capsule or product and That's why even if it has the same CBD content as a CBD product. That's real because a lot of them aren't You just feel way better. What's going on? It's the Entourage effect that you get from Ned. This is why the hemp oil from Ned so many people send us DMs are like I've used CBD for so long

I went with Ned. Wow, what a difference. What's going on? It's not the CBD, it's all the other stuff and how they work together to provide the stuff. So Ned was way ahead on this and we knew that when we started working with them and we had a chance to talk to him before we even partnered up. Do you see the market shifting because there was this quick rush to extracting and isolating CBD and marketing that.

And do you see these companies pivoting and starting to now offer a full spectrum version? Yeah, so it's in the marijuana space, you see this already, where you can buy now products, like edibles and stuff that will have specific terpenes in them or combinations of cannabinoids. There's no longer just THC, right?

It'll have other stuff. The commercial market for CBD is starting to follow. So your starting to see now products that are promoting this entourage effect. It's more expensive. It's more expensive to do this. It's takes more, it's better processing, but because the market is so competitive,

like any competitive market, the better ones start to rise and the crappy stuff starts to fall off. Well, they definitely need to go in and kind of help provide materials and educate these bud tenders. Have you ever talked to them? Oh, yeah.

But 13th, like, I love, oh, it's actually one of my favorite things to do sometimes, is just because it's just fun to hear them kind of work their way through kind of Describing and and which one of the characteristics are and how they're different and like, but yeah, so Again, I remember I think we were working with it was Dosis back in the day I was in a bring you know, they were the first ones on that on the turpene science They were the first people that I knew outside of our circle, so that was really the only sense.

So, yeah, there's in the marijuana space. So, Ned knows this very well. So, they'll have like the brain blend, they'll have a stress blend, they'll have their general hemp oil, and this is how they develop it. First off, they also use other botanicals. So, they don't just use the hemp plant

that they'll have a specific breed for, let's say, energizing euphoric creativity like the brain blend or a profile for relaxing the body anti-inflammatory effects like for the anti-stress blend. They'll also combine them with well-known botanicals like Ashwagandha, Valerian root, or other compounds that will either help complement what's going on. And this is why I live working with them. They know their stuff. Speaking of stuff, I want to ask you, Adam, I got a DM yesterday, or I read a DM the other day, from someone who's been eating creatures of habit and said, it is a bulking hack.

Because it comes in a packet, it's super easy to mix up. 30 grams of protein. This kid, this young kid trying to gain muscle, sent a DM and said, hey, is it okay if I eat like three packets a day? I'm like, well yeah. And I'm like, well, what are you doing? And he goes, all I do is add it to breakfast lunch and dinner.

So he eats the same meals, he just throws a packet on. Oh, yeah. And because it doesn't blow them and it's easy to digest and it's everything you need, it's really easy. And I want to ask you because when you were competing, this was a staple for you. Three years. Three years, every single morning,

the first thing I ate was oatmeal. Obviously. With the protein. Yeah, I made my own concoction. In fact, the new flavor that's coming with creatures of Habba is one of my favorite, most popular concoctions that I used to make. But what I had found, and this was just purely from trial and air, like doing different,

trying different things, is I could get up one to your point. It was easy. It was really easy. I just, I would, I come from the camp of people that have a really hard time eating really big breakfast. And I was never a big breakfast eater. I was always like lunch and dinner, the meals later on, I could eat big, big meals, and I couldn't get a big 700, a thousand calorie breakfast ever in. And so what the oatmeal did is I would eat it first thing when I first wake up, and it would go down easy. So it was really easy for me to crush like a creatures

of habit size bowl of oatmeal is I would find that an hour to two hours later, I was ready to eat again. And so I could now have this three to 400 calorie bowl of high protein oatmeal and then two hours later. Now I was ready to eat again and then I could have my steak and egg and potatoes type of meal.

Now it's like 10 in the morning, I've already got 12, 1500 calories down, 80, 90 plus grams of protein already done for my day. It just became, it became the staple. It was like I literally learned that was what I had to do if I was in a state consistent with hitting my protein and take and being able to hit the calories I needed to hit on a daily basis.

That's awesome. All right, so who's the shout out today? When you guys, oh, you need him somebody? Yeah, so earlier in the beginning of the show, we're kind of talking about a functional flexibility and like, you know, mobility and whatnot. And so I was, we haven't mentioned him yet. And he's like one of the leaders in this,

the, especially in the strength, coaching, kind of sports-specific world, Eric Cressy. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's just a phenomenal content. Baseball G, right? Is that what he's doing? He's doing his main sport. He works with all athletes, but mainly baseball, but just real quality stuff.

So I believe it's Eric, or is it Cressy Sports Performance? Yeah, so C-R-E-S-S-E-Y. Yeah. So he is, remind me, you know, because C-R-E-S-S-E-Y. Yeah. So he is, remind me, you know, because Cresci was one of the OGs that I remember. I remember Cresci, DeFranco, Boyle, Boyle. There's another one, yeah. And who else in the sports performance, bro?

I don't know. I mean, those are the main ones. They were, right? So when we were early trainers, yeah. Excuse me, in our early 20s, those guys were the ones that were really on the cutting edge science of sports performance and more physical things. Yeah, he was like, but he was more like, he kind of crossed over a little bit with the, with the, with the, with the screening tests he did. But yeah, those are the main kind of sports performance guys. He's still putting out great content.

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Hi. So I'm 54, 5 foot 11 with a larger build, carry me an apostle, and I currently weigh 196 pounds, and I'm trying to figure out what is the right calorie count for my activity level. I start working out a little bit later in life around 47 and I train twice a week with a trainer. I do circuit training on my own one day week. I run three to four days a week, averaging 12 to 15 miles. And I walk or I do the liftiptical alongside the two days that I trained virtually. I was on an off-weight watchers for the last two decades. I finally quit last year after realizing that it was just becoming too obsessive on my part with the scale and seeing my weight go down and then go back up. And currently I track my meals on my plate.

And I do have fibromuscular dysplasia, which kind of restricts me with weight work, but I still am fine with the working out with the TRX and with weights. And I've tried everything from calorie cuts 24 hour fast, undulating my diet, bring up the calories, bring the back down. All with the goal of building up my metabolism, getting stronger leaner. And the issue is really just finding the right calorie count for what I'm doing. Okay.

Hildi, where do you get your information on building your metabolism? What have you done to try to build your metabolism? So, I'm working with a trainer. I've been with for eight years, and he's a big fan of your show also. Oh, good. So, maybe he'll listen to this. Have her stop running so much and doing circuit training. Yeah.

If you listen to my show, you know that that's the wrong thing to do. So the workouts that you're doing where you're running 12 to 15 miles a week, the circuit training is counter to what you're trying to do with boosting metabolism. It's counter. That type of activity gets the metabolism to adapt in the other direction. Now, they're calorie burners, but that calorie burn very quickly, your body adapts and it no longer does anything for you.

Now, it doesn't mean it's unhealthy for you, it's probably healthy. In fact, I would say it might even be unhealthy at this point. You said you're a paramanopausal, you're probably doing too much. You're probably doing too much stuff and your body is just holding onto stuff. Especially if you're in a calorie restricted diet too. So if you're restricting,

circuit training, running, and that, I mean that's just, yeah, it's not surprising at all that we were stalling as far as our progress right now. By the way, you are a representative of like 60% of the clients that we trained. We have a lot of experience with what you're talking about. So let's start with the workout, then we'll get to the nutrition, and then we'll get to the root of all of this, okay? So the workout should be completely focused on building strength.

I want you to train in a way to build as much muscle as possible. Now, if that makes you worry, like I don't wanna get real big muscles, don't worry you won't. Okay, good. You won't, but that's what's going to move the metabolism in the right direction. It's also going to, by the way, the metabolism boost is a side-effect of what's happening, which is the muscle building, which is also a side-effect of something else that's happening.

Your hormones are going to organize themselves in a way to build muscle. So you talk about being paramanopausal. One of the best things you could do to get those hormones to regulate in a better way is to create the environment and send the stimulus for your body to build muscle. Because in order for your body to build muscle, you need what's called an anabolic hormone profile. Okay, so what does that look like? It's a it's an appropriate testosterone level in women. Testosterone is important in women just like it is in men, just a different level. It's an appropriate testosterone level in women. Testosterone is important in women, just like it is in men, just a different level.

It's a balance of estrogen or progesterone. And that balance looks different when your menopausal versus pre, but it doesn't matter, there's still a balance that's ideal for building muscle. So it'll move towards that. You get more insulin-sensitive and your growth hormone levels start to rise, okay?

So I would train you in a way to build strength and muscle, that would be the primary focus. Then as far as just being active. Let's talk about that for a second. Those kind of deeper as far as the, what the strength training looks like. Cause a lot of people just assume because they pick up dumbbells or weights that they are.

It is, yeah, it is not, you are training like a strength athlete or like a body builder. And I don't mean in terms of the intensity necessarily and all that stuff, but you're doing a set and you're resting for two minutes. a strength athlete or like a body builder. Not don't mean in terms of the intensity necessarily and all that stuff, but you're doing a set and you're resting for two minutes. At a quit rest. And then you're doing a set

and then you're resting for two minutes. Just gonna be having a really uncomfortable if you haven't done that before. Yeah, something that you have to kind of work your way through mentally. Short rest periods or no rest periods is just cardio with weight. So even though you're using weights,

it's really not that different in terms of the stimulus that it's sending to the body. So we have to do a SAT where you do eight, let's say eight reps or 12 reps with a good amount of intensity, trying to work on strength, then you put the weight down and you rest for two minutes and then you repeat it. So you're doing sets of exercises. Basically, you're doing strength strength. You're doing it in a way, you're using weights in a way to build muscle and strength. And if you don't have a program of ours, I'll make sure to send you one. That's appropriate. And then you can just follow it. I don't, but I love it. Yeah.

Okay, perfect. I'll send you one. That'll be just you can follow the format and you can have your trainer modify it since they've been working with you for so long. There may be exercises that are more appropriate than some of the ones that we have listed. So that's that's number one. As far as being active, I would eliminate the running. Do you like the run? Do you like the running? Do you love running? Is it like your favorite thing to do or are you just doing it? I do.

I've had like a love, I would say hate relationship over the years. I was definitely faster and doing more when I started out. I've done five half marathon. I've done a lot of 10Ks, five pays these days. I'm doing between three and four miles at a time. What do you hate about it? When you say love, trail running? Trail running.

What do you hate about it, the trail running? Is that what you said? No, no, no, no, I love trail running. No, I want to say I hate it, but there's times when I would see, I think I will lose my emotion. I'd wake up in the morning and say, oh, I got to go out and do this. So I go through these periods of times. And right now, I'm in an uptake where I am excited to do it.

And I plan ahead. I put my clothes out the night before I have an idea of where I'm going to go. So I have a better attitude. But if you told me that it's getting in the way of things, then I'd prefer you walk. Yeah. Or let me ask you this, what are you for right now? You said you like trail running. Let me guess. What you like about the trail running is that you're outside and you're out in nature.

Okay. Can you hike? And I'm away from everything. Yeah, can you hike or walk instead? I could. Okay. I'd rather you do that. That is not going to be nearly as detrimental.

So I would walk or hike, not for the same distance for the same time. So however long you run, turn it into a walk. Okay. So that's the same time. So how long are you running for typically? I average somewhere between like a 10 and a 10, 45 minute mile. So if I'm doing four miles and it's 45 minutes maybe. Oh, okay, go do a 45 minute walk or hike instead. That just switched to that right now. Focus on strength training, we'll send you that.

We'll send you a good program for that. And then as far as diet is concerned, I wouldn't worry about calories at all right now. Here's what I would do. Yes, what's your target body weight? What would be like a good healthy body weight for you? I would say 175 to 180. I just haven't been there in a really long time. I've just seen it climb up between the medicine I've been on and just hormonal I'm sure. Okay. And the strain I have put on muscle over time. So.

I would aim for 170 grams of protein a day, all from whole food. So that looks like 350 grams of protein meals, breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and then a 20 gram of protein meal in between there. Okay? Now, that's the goal. That is the focus. Eat that first. Then the rest, just make it whole natural foods.

Now, here's what's going to happen. It's going to be really hard to eat that much protein from whole foods. You're going to find your satiety is going to kick in real hard. It's going to be like, oh my god, I can't eat this because protein is very satiety inducing and your calories are natural gonna fall where they should. If you avoid heavily processed foods, so if it's all whole natural foods and you start with the protein,

so you eat breakfast, you're like, okay, I need to have 50 grams of protein. So whatever that looks like, it's probably gonna be something like four eggs, plus some chicken or something else in there. And you're like, okay, I'm gonna eat this and then eat that and you're like, okay, I think I'm still hungry, I'll have a little bit of fruit or you're probably gonna be like, I you're like, okay, I'm gonna eat this. And then eat that. And you're like, okay, I think I'm still hungry.

I'll have a little bit of fruit or you're probably gonna be like, I don't wanna eat anymore, I'm really full. Then wait till lunch and then prioritize the protein and do that again. Your calories will naturally fall where they need to. The protein is gonna fuel the muscle and the metabolism. And then from there, you're gonna start to see

the body compositions start to change. So that's where I'll have you go. And it's better than what you did before with weight watchers or anything else because I'm not telling you to take anything out. I'm not telling you to cut anything. I'm not necessarily telling you to hit targets except for protein. And if anything, it's going to change from feeling like you're restricting, like you did when you were cutting calories, to what's probably gonna feel like

as you're stuffing yourself, because protein is so, so satiety-inducing, like hitting 170 grams of protein every single day, I'll be surprised if you're able to do it without adding protein shakes. From whole natural foods, you're gonna be like, oh my gosh, this is just, I don't know if I can eat this. That's how it's gonna feel,

but your calories are gonna fall into an appropriate appropriate, in an, in an appropriate place. And what to expect is actually you'll probably feel and see physical change and strength before you see scale weight go down. So don't get hung up on, let's say you're listening to what we're saying and you're being very consistent with it for a month and you're like, dammit, the scale hasn't moved. Don't get hung up on that. Focus more on how you like, look, so you can look at yourself and go, if I then would I suggest normally when I put somebody on a program like this and go get in a bathing suit, take

a picture of yourself front side back where you're at at first thing in the morning, say Friday or Monday morning, and then four weeks later, same thing again, first thing in the morning, Friday or Monday, whatever day you do it in, and be honest with yourself, like, do I look and feel better than what I'd hit here and there? And I promise you will see a difference from those two points.

That will happen faster than the scale starting to drop, because we gotta build the metallurgy, to build muscle, there's a good chance that we'll see a nice even exchange of building muscle while losing body fat, which will change your body. It will feel tighter, it will look better, but the scale may kind of stay the same initially before you start to really see the weight drop. What kind of access to exercise equipment do you have? Do you have a gym or do you work out? Oh, I put a whole gym in my basement. I got a TRX thing for my ceiling. I've got a bench.

I've got different sizes of kettle balls. Different weights starting from five pounds to 30. But my weight limit is 30 right now because of the FOD. I've got a BOSU trainer, a resistance band. So you have dumbbells, right? I have dumbbells pretty much every size up to 30 pounds. Okay, then a map's endabolic is the program, I'm gonna have you do.

And I want you to start in pre-phase. And go ahead and do the three day a week version. So there's a two day a week and a three day a week version. Do the three day a week version, because you've been working out, so you've got some fitness. Do the dumbbell at home version. So there's a modifier modification in there where it's just dumbbells. Otherwise it uses barbells. It doesn't sound like you have barbells. So follow the one that's dumbbells. Do no other strength training. No circuit training. No nothing else. Just follow the MAP's endabolic

program as it's laid out. And your trainer can look at it and modify it if they need to. But if they try to cut your rest periods, don't do that. They try to combine exercises and do whatever. Then make sure you have them listen to this episode or give them give us a phone number call. Yeah. Let's put them on the show call us ass. Yeah, because you got you have to put you in the direction of building. That's what's going to move things in the right direction. Otherwise, what's going to happen, Hildi, you're going to stay on this hamster wheel that you're on right now, where you gain lose weight, gain lose weight, gain, by the way, every time you do that, it probably feels like it's harder to move in the right direction. So we're going to move things in the right direction, but it's going to be through strength and muscle. So normally I've been doing the thing on Sunday that he created for me and I work out

with him on Tuesday and Thursdays. So should those days now be switched to following your program? Yes, yes. I mean, hopefully he's if he's a fan of the show, he'll hopefully be okay with following. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So yeah, so hopefully you can bring to him the next time you see him, say, Hey, the guys wanted me to do maps and and a ball like they said pre phase three days a week. Would you take me through these movements? And then there's tremendous value having him trained. What are you training with him in the gym or is he coming to your house? No, we actually do it virtually.

He watches you watch you watch you. Got you. Okay, got you. Okay. Yeah, but he does a full body. We, you know, sometimes we focus a little more on upper body and core, but we do get the whole body in. That's it.

Sure. So, like Thursday's more legs, today we did more upper body core. Yeah, but I'm going to guess it's a lot, it's more like circuit and faster. Yeah. So that is going to be the, I can picture it right now too, is like, so the most awkward or difficult thing is that you guys should have these two to three minute breaks on Zoom. He's gonna be, you're gonna have done an exercise

and then you're gonna sit there and not do shit for three minutes. Like just, so be prepared for that. You know? He talks to me while, like he usually gives me a 60 second break sometimes. Now I need to depending on how long the circuit was. So we, we chat in between, I have a chance

to get a hold of myself. But so it's three days a week of doing this strength for your team. Yes, yes. And then, and then just, just, just stay active. And so maintain, you can maintain those days you run, but turn them into walks or hikes. Okay.

And then you'll be set. And then hit the protein targets, like I said, and prioritize that. And the calories are gonna fall where they need to. Great. Okay. Thank you so much. No problem.

We'll send you that program. And then of course, you can give your trainer access so he can look at it. So you can go to share your password. We don't let anybody else do that, but. Okay. That's a little bit. I just going to ask you in terms of another protein is the emphasis, but carbs. Is there anything I should focus more on versus any semi-natural foods, but that's it for now. So like fruit. No, that's it for now. You could have rice. You could even have pot if your

body handles pasta. So that're a digest, whatever. Yeah, whatever. Just avoid heavily processed foods. So I don't, I wouldn't need anything that comes out of a wrapper or a box, just because those foods are engineered to make you overeat. And so, you know, and this is the thing, he'll be that is when you eat in the way

that we're kind of talking or starting, your calories will end up where they need to. So you're not going to have to sit there and like count and focus and what's going on and hear whatever. When you throw heavily processed foods in, those foods are so carefully designed and engineered to make you overeat that your calories are gonna fall much higher.

It just doesn't matter, it's just gonna happen. So that's all you gotta do. So afterwards you're like, all right, what do I want for carbs? Oh, that's whole natural. Okay, well, it could be rice, could be oatmeal, could be fruit. It could be anything in a whole natural sense.

I'll give you my favorites. My favorites, my clients are sweet potatoes, yams, quinoa, rice, all fruits and vegetables. That's the go-to right there. Rotate through all that. And again, like Sal said, hit your protein first. And then in doles and the other, and you'll see it'll probably naturally just kind of level

your calories where you need to be. Okay, great, thank you. You got it, thanks for pulling in. Thanks for that. Well, when you hear someone like, does it flash back, oh, that's every client that I trained. Yeah, for years, same struggle, same thing. Yeah, and been through a lot of those programs

as weight loss kind of programs, and then having to kind of you know Condition them that look we do have to rest we got to build strength and that's you know a long conversation that you'll have to have plus our Generation and her generation right she's just a little older We were taught That the way that you work out to get lean is you need to constantly be moving. You constantly need to be sweating. And fat is bad. And watch your calories.

And oh, you want to lose weight. Go run. Or you're going to lift weights. Make sure you don't rest. That's the way you burn body fat. So it gets really hard. Because she's going to switch to the style of training. Do what we say.

And she'd be like, I don't feel like I'm doing enough. It's going to take a minute. That's why I wanted to put emphasis on. Like, you know, it's gonna be weird, right? So you wanna zoom for three minutes. Like she says, sometimes he gives her a six, sometimes she gets a 60 second rest. Well, wait till you have to sit there for three minutes.

And that's after every single time you do a set. Like, that's gonna be. It's a good point, because I mean, if you're a trainer and you're coaching somebody virtually like that, and you wanna show value, you know, you don't wanna waste their time. And so, you know, I'm sure like that's sort of the intention,

like good intentions, but for her, she really needs that rest to be able to switch into like a straight hundred percent. 100% you're right on with what that is. That is totally a trainer who probably knows what they're supposed to do and what's best if that client was coming in. Listen, you're training someone virtually. Yeah, that's awkward.

You're just there for two minutes. Can you picture it? Well, because you know why? You're literally sitting on the Zoom more than you are teaching or coaching. Yeah. Yeah. Do the math. A set's only going to take her maybe 30 seconds.

30 seconds top. Then she's going to rest for three minutes, like the two to three minutes. Like, I mean, my advice to the trainers is to really just come in with some educational material to then, you know, those breaks, like, teach you something, like something, you know, nutritionally, teach you something, like, you know, in terms of exercise, mechanics, something, you know, to bring. Yeah, I used to sell my clients on why we're doing what we're doing. I just sell my clients on what they need more training. It's just, while we're training. All right, now that we're done with this, this is the first one.

Here's come the commercial break. There's the commercial break. Just, constant commercial. Oh, man. Our next caller is Rachel from California. Hi, Rachel, how can we help you? Not. How are you guys?

Hey, good. What's happening? Not much. First of all, I just. How are you guys? Hey, good. What's happening? Not much. First of all, I just want to thank you guys for everything that you do and for the, you know, the real high quality content you guys put out. I've been listening for a couple of years and it took me a while to jump onto the resistance training

train. I may form a, I guess, cardi holic, if you would call it. And I just, you know, cardio was my thing. I needed the endorphin rush. Anything that wouldn't get me that was off the charts. And so I've recently started doing resistance training and I've been enjoying it a lot. So thank you guys for that. Awesome. Great. Yeah. Okay, I want to give you guys a little bit of context before I ask my question because I think giving you a little bit of background will be helpful in any kind of where I'm coming from. I growing up, I never struggled with any type of disordered eating or addiction to exercise. I was raised in a very

Untraditional childhood. I was born into a very ultra religious Orthodox Jewish family And my dad is the head rabbi of the very large community in Southern California and so we were brought up in a typical Jewish home. I had a very Jewish mother and you know, the Jewish culture is if you love me, you'll feed me. And so, I'm one of eight. And we would come home every night after school. And there would be eight dinners waiting for us because we all like different foods. And so, you know, mom would kind of cook whatever we all wanted. I went to an all-Jewish girls school, essentially.

So I grew up with very like-minded girls. Body image was never an issue. I guess I hovered around 145, 150, since I stopped growing. But it never really bothered me because we were so sheltered from social media, we were so sheltered from the world, we were, you know, we didn't watch movies, we didn't read English books, and so body images didn't exist. Fast forward, after high school, I was set up in an arranged marriage, which is pretty common in Yelfer, in the Orthodox culture. I met the man that I was supposed to marry

when I was right at 18, and then a month later we were married. The night of my wedding, I got pregnant. And first year, I wanna say, into my marriage, everything kind of just hit me. I realized how miserable I was in this world, in this marriage, in this religion. Everything I felt like I was doing ultimately I felt like I was doing for my parents, not for me, and I've got a kid and I'm married to someone I don't know. I feel nothing. I was just numb. So I took on a hobby and that was exercise. I started running. I loved the feeling that running gave me. It was an escape for me. I started hit training. Again, I love that indoor friend rush and exercise was essentially what I would do to escape my reality.

At the same time, I started restricting the foods that I was eating. I gave up all animal protein. Then I started giving up eggs, giving up carbs. Over time, I went from that 145 weight down to about 104. I was very lean. I exercised from the beginning started about an hour a day until it got to about five hours a day and nothing less than that was acceptable to me. It almost felt like I was punishing myself for the life that I was living in an auto-way, but that went on for over 10 years. I've got three kids, and about two years ago, I left the mayor, which essentially left

the religion too. I started, you know, adapting a very healthy way of eating and exercising. I've incorporated a lot of food back into my diet. I trimmed down the exercise from five hours, you know, to three hours to two hours, gone over like the last two years. So, I'm currently at one hour a day. I do mind-pump aesthetic for three days a week. The other days I do my cardio, for three days a week.

The other days I do my cardio, I'll go for runs, I'll do my steps, whatever feels right that day. But I know that I've done a lot of damage to my immune system, to my gut, to my body during those 10 years. So I've tried to incorporate a lot more protein into my diet, a lot more food, but my stomach

can't really handle it. In the beginning, it was almost impossible to eat that much, but I've gone to a place now where I'm able to eat the amount of protein that I should be eating, not enough, but I'm working towards that. In regards to the exercise that I'm doing, but I'm working towards that. In regards to the exercise that I'm doing, I told you it's the Mind Pup and the Cardio. The last couple of months I want to say, it just feels like everything's breaking down. My body's breaking down.

I don't have energy for those runs anymore. My heart rate is just elevated more than it's ever been. I just feel tired constantly. And so ultimately, my question is those 10, 12 years, I know that I've done a lot of damage to my body. I also know that it's tied to some type of trauma of my past. And I'm wondering now, in my mind, I'm eating more, I've cut back to about an hour a day only, but I can't seem to find that the place where I

feel rested and ready and ultimately that the results of the work that I'm putting in, I'm not really seeing it. So I guess my question is, I'm worried to take a full time break. I don't want to do that. But given my past and the history and where I am now, I want to know your thoughts on, if I'm not eating enough to sustain the muscle growth that I would want or that I'm putting in the work for, or I'm just, you know, I'm pushing my body into the ground. Where do you think I should go from here? Rachel, are you first before I let Sal lecture you? Are you in a place where you're ready to receive that?

Because that's a guarantee all the guys, I mean, we probably could have answered your question about halfway through. Yeah. On what you need to do right now and the answers to why you're seeing what you're seeing right now, the question really comes down to, are you in a place right now

where you're ready to receive that advice and follow through on it? Or do you feel like you're reaching out to us just to hopefully tell you that we can do more of something else? And you might know intrinsically. So I know what you guys are going to tell me. I know what Sal's going to lecture me in, you know, galleries. I need a reverse diet myself. I mean, I can write the script myself. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I'm asking. I took a week off of exercising because I thought that that would cure all my problems and clearly it did not. Yeah. I

don't know honestly that I can commit to any longer that of taking a break. I don't, I don't know honestly that I can commit to any longer that of taking a break. I don't necessarily think he's going to tell you that you got to stop everything. Rachel, let me ask you a question. Hi, Sal. Hi, how are you doing? Here it comes. Hey, look, by the way, congratulations for being able to get where you're at now and talk about, you know, kind of everything that you went through and the way you did. You've helped a lot of people, okay, right now just because you're on our show. So I appreciate it. It takes courage to do that. What do you worried about?

What are you afraid of? Because you said, I don't know if I can do less than an hour a day. What is the fear? Here's my mind. The fear is what I'm going to tell myself all day. The fear is, you know, I've become the harshest critic of myself and it's constant. It's constant noise in my head. You need to work out. You need it. You're working out, aren't you? You're working out.

And then it just goes on all day. And so, ultimately, I just want to shut it up. And so I work out. Yeah. Yeah, I know what that feels like. Are you working with a therapist? Yeah. I've been working with a therapist. We've been going through you know all the past trauma and look that's gonna take years. Yeah, right? I guess I wonder if if there's any way that my exercise or my eating is tied to more than just you know the body being tired and more Yes, yes, it's and by the way, it's not, it's less of a punishment thing.

It's more of a control thing. Yeah. It's total control. So it's control. You've developed a relationship with exercise where you abuse it, like a drug. And it sounds like you're running away from something when you do it.

And so without that, like you said, your fear is, like, what am I gonna tell myself, what am I gonna do in that hour? How am I gonna operate? So I understand that. So, okay, first off, you have 15 years of trauma. Yeah. Okay.

And that's, there's a lot there. I mean, you told us, the tip of the tip of the iceberg, I'm sure, right? So there's 15 years of trauma. A big part of it is you abusing yourself. And then there's other stuff that goes along with that. Okay, a week off isn't gonna even come close to addressing that.

Three years off isn't gonna do that. Now I'm not gonna tell you to take time off. But what I am saying to you is what's driving the way you're feeling right now has to do your your mind. Some people would say the spirit, but it's the mind that's driving all of this and the mind is probably impacted your gut in the way that it has. Now, you got bad gut health. I would work with a functional medicine practitioner for gut health. So you got to do that. And as far as exercise is concerned, I know what program I would recommend to you,

but you're going to probably want to do something every single day. Is there something you can do in replace of the workout for that hour? Is there anything you can do that, like, would you be open to doing a Yin yoga class on those days that you're, you know, on the days where you're not going to be lifting. It's so boring. I know. I know.

Do you play music? Do you have any other hobbies, a hobby that you like? I do. Hobbies, but my hobbies are boxing, running. Yeah. No, no. No. No. You don't get any of those ones. Yeah.

Okay, look, here's what I want. There's no knitting knitting or reading books or anything. I'm not gonna hit. I'm sitting still. I don't, anything that's, you know, honestly, I don't really love hiking because it's very slow paced, right? Yeah, yeah, if hiking is slow p slow-paced is no way in hell, I'm gonna do a in-yoga class.

I just, I can't. All right, look, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, look, I'm gonna sell you differently, okay? Either do what I'm about to tell you, or you're gonna be forced. And I don't mean I'm gonna come force you. You're gonna start to run into some problems. I'm already running into those problems.

Okay, they're all going to get worse. They're gonna get a lot worse. Things are gonna running into those problems. I don't they're going to get worse. They're going to get a lot worse. Things are going to get a lot louder. You're your signs are getting a lot louder. You're going to suffer more. Your children are going to suffer as a result. Maybe that'll motivate you. So the only way the only way to get to the other end is to go through. Okay, you can't go around and you can't avoid it. You got to go through. So what does can't go around and you can't avoid it. You gotta go through. So what does that mean? What am I talking about? The advice I'm gonna give you is gonna suck really bad for probably a year.

It's just gonna suck. A lot of shit's gonna come up. You're gonna be like, oh God, I gotta do it this way. I really wanna do it the way I did it before. You're gonna start to feel better. That's really gonna want you to go back. It's gonna push you to go back to what you were doing before. Especially you just start to feel better. That's really gonna want you to go back. It's gonna push you to go back to what you were doing before, especially you just start to feel better.

So here's what I'm gonna recommend. Maps aesthetic is the wrong program for you. Yeah, okay. I'm gonna have you do Maps and a Bolic. I want you to follow Maps and a Bolic, the two day a week version, not the three day a week version. Jesus, bro.

The two day a week, I'm giving you the perfect advice, okay? This is like, this is what I want you to do, okay? I wish I could train you, because I would just coach you the whole time. But, maps and a ball, like, two-day-a-week version, on the other days, I want you to find a restorative something.

Yen Yoga is a good example. Can we give her maps performance to go with it and have her do the mobility sessions? I think the flow work and stuff in there would give her something that makes her feel as long as you don't turn the mobility sessions into circuit training. Well, no, it's hard to do that. Well, I mean, you can do a fast sell. Why?

Make a fast one. I mean, that will keep her mind busy. It's challenging enough to where she has like a goal she can set and work on. It's the intensity is low enough. It'll be recuperative. And it'll keep her. Do you have the, is it feasible for you to hire a yoga instructor so you could do one on one?

Oh, yeah. That's feasible. You know, I mean, I just is feasible for me to do it alone, right? Or go to a yoga class and do it. I just, I never have feasible for me to do it alone, right? Or go to a yoga class and do it. I just, I never expected a style of exercise. Yeah, no, I'm not talking about feasible in terms of, like in terms of the cost, because it's more expensive, right?

To do a one-on-one instructor. Here's why I think yoga instructor would be better. You're gonna be more accountable. They're gonna be able to coach you through the process. And a really good yoga instructor really knows how to work with the mind. They really know how to calm them a lot of breathing techniques. Yeah, and you're going to need that. A lot of shit's going to come out. Like, okay, don't be surprised if you cry often in Yin yoga with a good instructor. And if that happens, it's supposed to happen. okay? I would do Yin yoga, I would do maps on a ball of two days a week, and then I'd work with a functional medicine practitioner for diet,

because you got some gut stuff that needs to get addressed, okay? Now, what I'm saying isn't gonna be easy. A lot of stuff's gonna come up, it's gonna be challenging, but I promise you, on the other end of this, you're gonna be like, wow, this is so different. This is so different. A lot better. So I'm gonna add some stuff to this just because,

if I had you as my client, I would 100% agree with Sal because I'd be in control of it every day. My fear is taking you from everything you're doing down to two days a week and Yen Yoga, which you already professed or not a fan of. My fear is that you're not gonna stick to it longer than a week and Yinyoga, which you already professed, you are not a fan of. My fear is that you're not going to stick to it longer than a week or two. So I would want to peel you down slowly. I would want to take you to anabolic three days a week with mobility days on the other day. So

you're still got this kind of feeling of you're doing active, but I know you're you're dramatically reducing the intensity. And then my goal would be to get you to where Sal wants you. Because right now I think you're so far on the right of extreme at the exercise that the rip off the band-aid thing you want her to do right now without having somebody holding her hand away through it. Here's the thing, Rachel's saying right now

that the signs are already showing up. She hasn't told us what they are, but based off of the energy I'm getting from what she's saying, it sounds like we're in a bit of a dire situation. Am I resonating? Yes, yes, you are resonating as far as the signs. However, the week that I took off of exercising, I was a mess.

I was angry, I was moody, I couldn't be a mom, I couldn't work, I've got, I've three kids and that one week I felt back for my kids. It was, they were suffering with me because I couldn't be present for them because of my own shit that I had going on. And that's why I don't know that I can do a year. I don't. Rachel, how familiar are you with what withdrawal looks like from substances? Not that familiar.

Have you ever known a friend who had to stop doing something like opiates or alcohol or cigarettes, even? Okay. The withdrawal symptoms are really bad at first. They don't last a year, not even close. So yeah, it's gonna suck at first. That's what you're experiencing is withdrawal and what's coming up is all the stuff that you're bearing and distracting yourself from.

But here's the problem, okay. This is the myth. The myth is that you're actually keeping it at bay and solving it. No, because what's happening is it's still under the surface and it's coming out without your permission. Okay, it's coming out in other ways. It's still acting below the surface. It's actually more insidious because it's more subconscious.

When you go through withdrawal, it's more of a conscious awareness, like, oh, fuck, I feel like this. Ah, I'm acting shitty, I'm irritable. When you bury it, stuff it, and distract, it's still pulling the strings. It's just in a way that you're not aware of, and you're still doing stuff that's not great. So, and withdrawal does not last forever at all.

It's gonna suck it first, really bad, then it gets easier, and it gets easier, and it gets gets easier. So how long do you think it would last for? I think if you if you followed what we said, if you let your therapist know what you're doing, and you did the in yoga and you found a good instructor, I think you would have a very I think you would feel very cathartic by the second or third week, definitely by the second month. Yeah, better. Are you not on, Rachel, are you on social media at all? Are you on Instagram, Facebook, are you on any of that stuff?

Yeah. Where I'm gonna put you in our form too. So I mean, I would like to stay in touch with you as you go through this. Just, it's so hard to be able to stay here and try and tell you, like, oh, this long, and then you're going to feel great. It may not even take a year, but it may take longer. For sure, what is not going to help is going back and then continuing to punish your body. I don't know where I'm at with, if I think that going all the way to what Sal is saying

is the path or it is to slowly taper you down or not, but no matter what, you've got ahead in that direction. You've got to start taking steps in the direction of taking care of your body instead of punishing it through exercise because it's revolting already and it's going to revolt anymore. That doesn't mean you need to stop at all. It just means we need to choose things that are less punishing and taxing on the body and more things that are going to feed you. Feed your soul, feed your body, take care of your body.

We need to find that right balance. You're really far on one side right now. I got to bring you back to the other side. Yeah. I mean, listening to all this advice and it's a really tough one to prescribe, but I really do feel like if a personal coach, you know, somebody that can kind of be constantly there to communicate with you in terms of like that intensity factor because you're going to be driven to want to do everything intensively and to sort of let it out and to be able to work your way through and find a different approach and a different way to do it where it's restorative. So I understand where Sal's going with the in yoga

and I understand how difficult that's going to be for you mentally to shift into that kind of a mindset and I think that you know And it either one of us would you know love to Personally, you know kind of guide you through that whole process and I think that there's somebody out there like that I think you know what within our forum. We know some we know somebody I'm gonna talk where in California are you? In the cano Valley a Gore Hills. Yeah, well, no, I know we know somebody virtually I don't want to say over just in case that their schedule's too full.

Rachel, I'm going to save your contact info. And I'll have somebody contact you that's a really good online coach that we know personally that could kind of help you along the way. Yeah. Yeah, I appreciate all of that. I think my response to all of that simply is, you know,

my workouts have really just been my saving grace my, you know, the last 15 years of my life and they're the one thing that just may be able to just go on every day. Yeah. Yeah. I. That's why I don't, that's why I don't want to take it away from you. I just want to change it a little day. Yeah. Yeah. I That's why I don't that's why I don't want to take it away from you. I just want to change it.

Yeah. We're just looking at why I just want to change the shoes. I don't want to take your workouts away. I want you to do it every day. You're just three days a week. It's lifting weights and strength training. And then the other four days, it's a mobility. You want it to build you up not to punish you.

Yeah. That's that's what we want to get. Yeah. This this I get look I get where you're where you're coming from I can definitely go in and out of a relationship with exercise that way So I know what it feels like I Get it. It's definitely doing something, but it's it's it's not working anymore

It's doing it's doing the opposite now of what you want it to do so Yeah, that's the art. It's like I I want to do it and I want to feel good and I want to have that relationship with it, but it's just fighting me. I wait for you. I also want you to know that you are not an anomaly. This is not not something that I have not personally dealt with with clients before. You'll get through this. You're going to make it through this. You will. Okay. I've been excommunicated from my family, my community. You know, it's very much in the loan feeling and-

You're not alone, we're with you, okay? We're with you, I'm gonna put you in the form. I want you to, if you communicate with me, I'm gonna communicate with you, okay? So you're not alone, you will get through this, okay? Really, really what it is right now, what we're all spinning our wheels around is like where to start you and how do we guide you virtually? Right now. If I had you, I'd take you. I got you.

There's no way you would not get through this if I didn't have you right by my side. One step at a time, you're going to right now, you're going to heal yourself. It's one step at a time. It sounds like there's a lot of things there you want to work on. But in order to tackle all those other things, you need to be healthy and happy Rachel. So let's heal you first, okay? Look how far you've come by yourself. You've got this, you will. We're gonna have somebody contact you, okay?

We got you, I think we got your email. So I'll have somebody contact you and hopefully it works out because they're really good online coaches and they can help you with this process. We'll be in touch today, okay? You guys, I really appreciate it. All right Rachel, thanks Rachel. Thank you.

You got it. That's hard. Yeah, that's really tough. I mean, look man. I wish she was close. She was close, I take her right now. Yeah, that's rough. That's a, she's developed this,

you know, it's like, it's like an abusive relationship with exercises. It's like you're with this person and you're afraid to leave them, but you have to, because it was a- This is also a major control thing. When you grow up in a very religious family, where you've done everything,

then everyone's been telling you what you need to do. You're gonna do what you want. This is the one thing you have had. It's your one outlet. It's your one thing you've had full control of. Nobody's telling you how to eat, nobody is what you need to do. You're gonna do it, you're gonna do it. This is the one thing you have had. Sure, one outlet. It's your one thing you've had full control of. Nobody's telling you how to eat, nobody is telling you how to exercise. You have decided that.

And so, more of it, harder of it, you get to do that. And so, it's letting go of some of that control. That's why I thought you were too far, bro, to two days a week with, I mean. We are, we literally get minutes. I know, I know, and I know you're designed. I mean, that's my goal. And it's also, Yeah, it's just to tell her the answer, which you would never do in coaching. If I'm working with someone, I'm not going to just give you the, I'm

like, we're going to work on this step by step. Yeah. And there's also other people. There's a lot of the reveal as we're doing the work, right? So it's, yeah, to kind of jump to the end. It's, yeah, it's really hardly. Listen, Rachel, we hung up with you and we were not satisfied with the help that we, I mean, we tried helping you, but we thought, we wanted to give you more. So here's what we did, okay. We contacted our friend, Christina. She's an excellent coach, excellent.

She's a licensed therapist, but she's also works with people with nutrition and exercise. And what we did is we hired her for you for the next three months. So she's going to walk you she's going to walk you through this process. Okay, because yes, a problem. So she's exceptional. She's really, really good. We want to help you out. And that was the person that I was kind of alluding to when we were talking to you. Adam got her on the phone and and she's she'd love to work with you. She's a friend of ours and we will be in contact with her also. So by extension, we're going to be working with you. I really appreciate that you guys. You got that. That's that's honestly something

that I've never you know, no, I've spoken to a therapist about my past, but never really about this issue and combining the two. So hopefully it'll work. And just having someone to talk to, honestly, I think is going to be the best motivator. That's why she's going to be perfect. Because that's what we were thinking is like she specializes in exactly that. And that's what you need right now is somebody to be able to talk to and communicate all these things.

And then also be able to help you through the exercise and nutrition portion because that's equally as important. So, you wanna give her a number or you wanna have her call with you? No, I'll have Christina call you. She's mind of, what is it, mind of matter? Mindset of matter. Mindset of matter on Instagram

and mindsetofmatter.com is her website. She's phenomenal. She's gonna contact you. We've already talked to her and Now you have somebody there that's gonna walk you through the process So and we want to see you succeed really bad. So yeah, yeah, okay? I did that you guys really thank you. Okay, we got it We're gonna give her your number right now. So be on the lookout her name is Christine. Okay, mindset of matter coachingset of matter coaching, that's it. Okay.

And it's Christina. To Doug, I don't know if Doug has my number. I do have your number, I called you earlier. Oh, that's right, you did. Sorry. Yes, no problem. Yeah, we're gonna have her call you and then she's in it.

Whatever we told her, whatever you need as far as coaching on her end for the next three months, mind pump take care of it, okay. Wow, thank you. Thank you guys, that's awesome. All right,, okay? Oh, thank you. Thank you guys. That's, that's awesome. All right, Rachel. We're gonna be in touch.

Thank you. All right. You have a good day. Take care yourself. Our next color is Sarah from Massachusetts. Hi, Sarah. How can we help you? Hi, so, um, let me see.

I am 40. I've been working out for about four or five years, but really focusing on strength training. Little over two years. That's when I started listening to you guys. I really fall in love with the process. I have gone from God in 2017. I was about 210 pounds, women size 18. I'm now about 140, 142 size 4. Really have been trying to focus listening to you guys. I built my own kind of routine. I really focus on progressive overload focusing on strength. At first, the scale went up a little, scared me. But I've been super consistent. I packed on a ton of muscle.

I think I'm in the, I had a dexter scan done, 85 to 90 percent tile for my age. That being said, the last three or four months, I'm noticing no real strength gains, no aesthetic gains. I'm at about 30 percent body weight. I used to eat very low calorie with your advice. Reverse diet. I eat usually about 2,000, 2,200 calories a day. I'm only five, five, one. So I'm really just, I'm kind of stuck. I don't know how to make more progress. Again, I'm 40. I'm feeling like, I don't know if it's my age or what? You look awesome, by the way. I mean, I'm looking

up at your great. Just got your stuff up right now. Yeah, I do. Okay, so it's only been a couple of months that you're not noticing any changes? Three or four months, and it's not that I haven't been, I haven't changed anything as far as I'm concerned. Again, listening to you guys sleep is a priority. I get a ton of sleep. I speak my supplements. I do, nothing's changed for me.

What's the program? Are you following one of our programs? No, so I'm a little stuck on, do I do aesthetic, do I do anabolic? I don't know where to start being that I'm not. I'm still a fairly new lifter, but I don't wanna go back or Zither, so. What does your routine look like now?

How many days a week are you in the gym working out with weights? You're gonna yell at me. I know I over-treat. Yeah. Yeah. Six, six, six a week. I try to do, and I know you guys are big on full body.

I just can't get into it. So I do three upper, three lower. You know, if I'm feeling kind of shitty one day, I think mentally I just like to be in the gym. or if I'm feeling kind of shitty one day, I think mentally I just like to be in the gym. So if there's a day where I didn't get a great sleep, I'll go to the gym and just walk or row or do something. But I mean, lifting, I lift always five days a week,

usually. I think you're doing all right. Yeah, I think you're doing it. It's not, that's not a bad, your energy is okay. You feel good, you got good sleep, your libido's healthy, everything else is right. Yeah, I think you're doing it. It's not that's not a bad. Your energy is okay. And you feel good. You got good sleep. You're libido's healthy. Everything else is good. Yeah. All right. Mapsesthetic. You'll be in the gym five days a week, and Mapsesthetic. Now, it is full body based. So there's three full body workouts, but then there's two focus sessions. But you'll be in the gym five days a week, lifting

weights, and it's well programmed. Obviously, we created it. It's a highume workout, but you sound like you could probably do it and I wouldn't change anything else I think just changing the workout alone is gonna do it for you Okay, yeah, I've tried like changing up the tempo listening to you guys as far as what else can I do and I don't want to get bored. I go when I lift it's it's all out You know, I couldn't even spot my body weight now. I can spot like 210. So I think where I'm not packing weight on the bar, I'm not making the progress that I was making when I started lifting, gets frustrating from me. Yeah, I also, that's another point to be made,

is I think you've made tremendous. Yeah, you're not gonna make progress all the time. Unfortunately, the longer we do this, the better we get, the less we see as far as the progress. You know, like what you came from, you were probably seeing week over week change with your physique and stuff. And so, and you look really good right now.

So you're gonna see very incremental change going forward. So you do need to be adjusted for that. I think you're doing a great job. And I think Maps aesthetic is okay for you. Yeah, and just getting a new stimulus is at least gonna spark that new kind of energy going into it. So I think that'll be helpful if anything, you know, and your body will respond. Did you track steps? I don't know if I heard you say that or not.

Did you say how many steps a day you're doing? I mean, I wear a watch. I'm usually between 10 to 15,000 a day. Okay. Yeah, you're on fire. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maps aesthetic, that's all. Easy, follow that program, follow as it's laid out. Listen to the. And keep my calories the same, because I want to cut body fat, but I don't want to.

You know, let the program do it. I think the program will go for you. Yeah. I'm gonna give you one more follow up. So after you run a static, I would look into map strong. I think you would love it. And I think there's enough unconventional exercises in there that you'll also get great change from that. So do maps aesthetic, like Sal said,

and then I would tell you to look into strong after that. I think that would be a great follow-up program for you. Awesome. Thank you guys so much. Thank you for everything. I feel like I know all of you who I know you're blind. I know. I'm a little star-struck. So thank you so much. Thank you, Sarah. Thank you. Thank you. You got it. We almost never recommend maps aesthetic because of the volume. I know, but she had everything dialed in. She's been doing this for a while. She's kicking ass. Eating good amount of calories. Sleeping good.

She's protein-sized, sleep, or libido. Just a switch from what she's doing to that. She's going to see some change for sure. I really think she's just, I mean, this is what happens after you've made, I mean, look at her transformation. I know. Before and after is insane. Like, she has completely changed her body composition. And so now it's incremental.

You know, start kind of tapering off, so then you gotta just change it up. I mean, her before and after is crazy. Yeah. That's remarkable. Yeah. Our next color is David from Georgia. David, what's happening, man? How can we help you?

Hey, how's it going guys? Yeah, good. What's up, man? Awesome, they took my color, really, really appreciated. You got it, man. I'm sure you want to get to lunch. I'll just jump right in with a little background. So I'm 48 years old, 190 pounds, about 14 and a half percent body fat.

I've been really active in endurance sports, I mean since high school, mostly mountain bike racing. I switched to weight training in 2021 and doing, it's basically been Durantab dramatic a couple times, symmetry and right now I'm about halfway through power lift. I'm still not happy with my physique though. I have a lot of, I still have belly fat, you know, the love handles going, but when I have a pump, I'm like, I feel like that's where I really want to be. So my question is, what can I take from that? And what should I continue to focus on? All right, well, first off, if you look the ideal way you want to look when you have a pump,

that means you're already pretty close. Like you can't take somebody and radically transform them with the pump to the point where they're so in other words, you're pretty close without that pump because the pump is going to add, it's not going to add a ton. I see something right away. I'll help. Let's do that. You know, I mean, you're currently in a cut on power lift. Well, I was on vacation now, but I was on a cut. Yes, sir. I mean, have you done like it when was the last time you did like a clean bulk like with the intent to like add good calories and strain training bill versus probably trying to lean out? It's it's been a while just because I've always I'm always focused on the love handles and

that. So that's what you just need to on the head. Yeah, so that's a muscle. So that's what you just need to go through. You need to go through like a lean bulk. Yeah, a lean bulk. So not like a vacation, get to eat what you want. That's, I'm on a bulk for the week. Like, okay, I'm strategically going to bulk through maps, power lift and slowly increase my calories.

The goal is I'm not gonna worry about the love handles at this moment. I'm gonna get strong as fuck, build some more muscle, and then I'm gonna come back down after the program. David, if you do this right, you'll actually get leaner. Yeah. Yeah, if you do this right, you'll get leaner. Not on the scale, but in terms of body composition.

So if you do this right, you'll probably fuel, I don't know, I'm gonna say five to eight pounds of lean body mass, which would be phenomenal. Your body fat, the total amount of body fat on your body won't change. So you'll have the same pounds of body fat, but the percentage will go down because now it's a smaller percentage of your overall body mass because you're now that they eight pounds heavier with lean body mass. And it'll look better on your body. You're gonna look a lot better, right? So and then from there, if you want to cut, now your metabolism's faster and it's gonna be

a lot easier. That's right. So and the fact that you haven't done a lean bulk, like a really strategic one, in a long time, I mean, that alone, I mean, that tells me everything. Yeah, and I'm looking at 1900 calories for 190 pounds. That's very low. It's pretty low. So, I mean, I would like to reverse diet you and get you to a place where you're above 26, 2800 calories,

and then cut you back down to say like 24, like a 2400 calorie should be a cut for you. And so that will be kind of the goal. Like if I was training you, we'd be going through Maps Power Lift. I'd be really pushing the way trying to get strong, trying to increase your calories. And the goal literally would be week over week. Can we get stronger? Can we add calories?

Can we get stronger? Can we add calories? And at the end of the program, What would be a very successful you know Cycle for us would be did I get you up north of 26 to 2800 calories and did we not put on a bunch of body fat on in the pursuit of that And did we get stronger if we did that? I just shit I set you up to get shredded over the next six to eight weeks like then you're in then you're in prime Situation to lean out drop the calories follow whatever program you want to follow after that credit over the next six to eight weeks. Like then you're in prime situation

to lean out, drop the calories, follow whatever program you wanna follow after that and you'll start to see those love handles drop down and you look great. Somehow I knew you were gonna say something like this, but I guess I just had to hear you all say it. Yeah, yeah. No, by the way, like salsa, you're right there.

I mean, when you can say, I like the way I look, I just want to look the way, which I could totally relate to saying that, right? Like seeing myself all air it up in the gym, like, yeah, I just want to look like that walking around. That means you're not far away, man. You're right, it's around the corner for you. So it's right there.

Awesome. Well, thank you so much. You got it, man. By the way, you know, how tall are you? 61. 61, 190 90 14 percent body fat. I was 48 years old. I think you're doing pretty good, bro. Yeah. Yeah. You might just little fry a lean machine and yeah. Exactly. You're doing good. Oh, thank you. You got it. All right,

man. Yeah. Uh, yeah. Bro, you hit the nail right on the head. Yeah. Right away. Well, I saw the ad there. I know I didn't want to interrupt you, but I saw like when I dug scrolled the screen down and then I go, oh you hit the nail right on the head. Yeah, right away. Well, I saw it on the ad there. I know I didn't want to interrupt you, but I saw like when I dug, scrolled the screen down and then I go, oh shit, okay. This dude is trying to get rid of the brother. I'm cutting for him. He's been cutting, yeah. He's been cutting for a while.

And he's, I mean, but like you said, too, six, one, one, 90, 14, I mean, he's, I think he's a better shape than I am right now. We do that. Yeah, I'm still doing good. He's like 230, yeah, I'm six. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, well you're, you're a beef. We're doing it. Yeah, it's doing good. We're doing two 30, it is, I'm six. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, well you're, you're a beef.

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