Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2148: How to Cycle Bulks & Cuts, When to Take Creatine, What Constitutes a Whole or Natural Food & More

Episode Date: August 25, 2023

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page.  Mind Pump Fit Tip: Sodium is your friend! (2:10) Sal shares his experience sending his son off to college. (10:54) The growing wealth gap in this country. (22:18) Big business loves regulations. (34:07) The challenge numbers are already coming in for the latest MAPS Program, Old Time Strength. (40:50) The Monterey Zoo, the Bay Area’s hidden gem. (44:44) Mind Pump’s Butcher Box staples. (53:46) Shout out to the Monterey Zoo. (55:51) #Quah question #1 - If I don't care how long it takes for me to reach my weight loss goals (-15lbs of fat), how long should my cut/reverse diet cycles be? (57:00) #Quah question #2 - I know you mention eating whole foods which is something I strive for and tell my clients to aim for. However, it feels like this then causes categories of food to be eliminated. (Ex. - gluten, bread, pasta flour - Not wholefoods. Same with Dairy.) What falls under the umbrella of “whole” natural foods according to you guys? (1:00:42) #Quah question #3 - Can you mix creatine in with things ahead of time, such as in your overnight oats? (1:07:07) #Quah question #4 - Adam once said in a very old episode that he thinks marriage should be a lease, where each partner agrees to renew their contract every few years. I was wondering if his thoughts have changed now that he is married? (1:09:45) Related Links/Products Mentioned For a limited time only, Mind Pump listeners get a free LMNT Sample Pack with any purchase: Visit DrinkLMNT.com/MindPump Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer! Special Launch Promotion: MAPS Old Time Strength for $80 Off (Retail $177, Includes 2 eBooks: Forgotten Muscle & Strength Building Secrets, PLUS Jay Campbell’s Living a Fully Optimized Life.  30 Day money back guarantee // Ends Sunday, August 27th. **Code OLD80 at checkout** August Promotion: MAPS Anabolic Advanced 50% off! **Code AUGUST50 at checkout** The Surprising Benefits of Salt for Strength Athletes | BarBend Watch At Home With The Furys | Netflix Official Site All-In Podcast - E142: "Rich Men North of Richmond" hits #1, upward mobility, real estate capital crunch, Trump RICO Vivek Ramaswamy | Club Random with Bill Maher - YouTube Painkiller - Netflix Telemarketers | Official Website for the HBO Original Mind Pump #2145: Forgotten Muscle & Strength Building Secrets Monterey Zoo | Monterey's Newest Adventure Watch Tiger 24 | Netflix Visit Seed for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout for 30% off your first month’s supply of Seed’s DS-01® Daily Synbiotic** New Study Finds Dietary Creatine Associated with Reduced Cancer Risk Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Monterey Zoo (@montereyzoo) Instagram  

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By the way, this sale ends Sunday, August 27th. All right, here comes the show. All right, all you fitness-minded, athletic-minded, buffed people, sodium is your friend. It's probably one of the most overlooked, ergo-genic aids. It will improve performance, strength, and pumps. It even can improve cognitive function.

I know they say sodium's bad for you, but they're wrong. Unless your doctor specifically tells you to lower your sodium intake, studies do show that higher sodium intakes probably offer health benefits, especially if you exercise. That's right, salt, that's steak, mother. What? Oh, that went hard. Yeah, you know, that's stig, mother. What? Whoa, gross. That went hard.

Yeah, you know what's funny? You look at the, so let me cover first, why there are studies that show that sodium can be connected to poor health outcomes. These studies don't control for processed food consumption. So, processed foods all are very high sodium. Anytime you buy something boxed or in a wrapper, one of the ingredients that improves palatability

and shelf life is sodium. So, and you would be surprised how high a sodium process foods are. So when they look at data and they say, oh, the people who consume the most sodium have the worst health, what they're actually looking at are people who consume a lot of heavily processed foods., what they're actually looking at are people who consume a lot of heavily processed foods,

that's eating a lot of calories, a lot of other things that aren't healthy, and then people who eat heavily processed foods, a lot of them also probably don't exercise and all that stuff. But when you parse all that out and control for it, what you find is that higher sodium intakes seem to be better for a lot of different things, especially for athletic performance.

So it's not a bad thing. In fact, it's one of the things, if you eat a whole food diet and you exercise properly, you probably should make sure that you are aware of adding sodium to your diet, either in the form of electrolyte powders or adding lots of salt to your food. You'll actually see a performance improvement

for most people. Yeah, if you eat ultra processed food, it's gonna be a rapid increase where your RDAs, you're gonna hit an exceed your RDA for salt, like almost like after one meal. One meal. One meal at a time. So I understand like that's sort of the general public.

And so it's like you kind of have to kind of cater towards that audience of like look, but in terms of like people that don't tend to lean towards those ultra-process foods very often, like sorts of very vital mineral free to include in your diet. Yeah, the conversation's lean so heavily in that direction that health and fitness people

don't even realize that they're, because you would think like, oh, I'm salting my food, so I'm okay, but from going from somebody who was, let's say, not following any sort of a diet, eating the standard American diet, which is heavily processed, you take tons and tons of sodium,

then all of a sudden you decide, oh, I'm gonna get on my health kick, I'm gonna start eating nothing but whole foods, and I'm gonna enjoy it and salt it, the dramatic difference between that. You're still lower, you're not, nothing but whole foods. And I'm going to enjoy it and salt it the the dramatic difference between that. You lower your side or low. Yeah. And so I and I don't think that's communicated. And it wasn't even to me like I didn't ever really. In fact, if you eat nothing but whole foods, I don't even know if you could over salt your food. No, it would

be difficult. It would be really difficult. The amount that you would have to pour, the amount of like table salt that you would have to or Himalayan pink salt, whatever salt you're using, that you would have to put on your steak and potatoes and whatever your E-Rice, whatever you're eating, it would be disgusting for it to even catch up to what is naturally put in these processed foods. Wouldn't you say? Yeah, a full teaspoon of table salt is about two, roughly two grams of sodium.

Himalayan salt or mineral salt is going to be less sodium because they have other minerals in there. That's why you want to go with those. They're much more balanced. So I don't think anybody puts a teaspoon of salt on their steak or their potatoes or anything like that. Now you eat a bag of chips, you're hitting that, no problem, or a box of crackers, or even things you don't think

have a lot of sodium, things that are sweet, they add a lot of sodium to them as well. So you'd have to add a lot, but athletes probably should consume on the low end, low end three grams, probably like five, especially if you sweat and you work out a day. Oh yeah. And sometimes you live in like anywhere there's humidity and you're outdoors and you're very active, man, that you lose your room.

Not even just athletes, wouldn't you argue to someone who just trains hard and consistent in the weight room? Yeah. Absolutely. And if you're not, you add into that, if you use a sauna or the weight room. Yeah, absolutely. And if you're not consistently, you add into that. You add into that. So if you use a sauna or a steam room, you work out, you don't eat heavily processed foods. So you take the average fitness enthusiasts or person just doesn't eat heavily processed foods.

You have them add a thousand milligrams of sodium with some balance in there, some potassium magnesium, right? You have them add like element company we work with. They make electrolyte powder. One packet is a thousand milligrams. Have them add one a day and ask them how they feel and they'll almost always feel Like they have better performance. I It's a very cheap energy boost. It's pretty crazy. You brought up the sauna. I noticed a huge difference if I do like the sauna and I forget to take my element probably dizzy and I get headaches. Yeah. Yeah. If I do not if I don't hydrate right if I don't drink water and

Load up on sodium before I get in there and if I spend a minute over 20 minutes inside that thing I'll get out of it. I've seen anything with my my jacuzzi at home I've made that mistake before just not even thinking about it It's like oh it's a weekend. Maybe I didn't train and take my element that day. I haven't had a lot of food. I get in the jacuzzi at night with Katrina. We're sitting there talking, 20, 30 minutes goes by. I'll come out and I'll have a massive headache

if I didn't take the time to actually hydrate and then take some sodium in. You said that happened to my dad. He went to the gym and did the sauna. It came home. And all day, he's like, I did it too long. I feel terrible. And I said, because I gave some elements my parents

I said how throw a packet in there drink it and then see if you feel a difference Huge difference 10 minutes. Yeah in 10 minutes. He goes. Oh my God. I feel so much better I'm like your your electrolyte balance was off. Yeah, your body can't operate properly. It's such a cheap You know supplement that has so much potential benefit. And you'll know right away, one of the challenges with supplements is you'll take it and you have to take it for a while to see if there's any difference. If you use electrolyte powder, you'll know within the first time you use it, if it's something that's going to be, you'll tell right away, you'll take it while you're working out and

you'll notice I feel a lot better. And most athletes benefit from of the what some of the first studies by the way done on athletes were done on electrolytes, you know, Gatorade was based off of an original it was a university of Florida right that made this electrolyte powder drink that they gave for their athletes and they had better performance by the way original is at the origin of Gatorade that's origin of Gatorade? That's why it's called. I guess we have some Gatorade. Yeah. Really? The original Gatorade was high in sodium. Yeah. But they were giving their football players. They just powder, yeah. They added it into like the big jugs of water.

Now it's turned into a commercial bullshit of nothing. Yeah, that's all sugar. It's all sugar. I imagine they say they have so many lines though. They gotta have a line still that's more for athletes, right? I mean, they've got so many now. They did, I mean, even when I played, they had like these big powder options

that weren't like super sugar based, like it was more like on the higher sodium side that they would dump big. They got it, right? Because yeah, because it was a real threat, like the humidity was just like, you'd lose a good 10, 20 pounds, like just being out there for practice.

So they had to like make sure they counted for that. That's crazy, really. Oh yeah. That's insane. Oh, you can easily, and one of those like four hour type of kicks. They waited a sin before every practice and made sure that we're hydrated cause like,

it was just like you walk out and say, it's crazy. You'd lose five, 10 pounds. Yeah, no problem. And it was crazy cause like one of my first games playing in St. Louis, it was 90% humidity. It was like almost like a hundred degrees. And so you're just walking outside.

You just felt like you're in a steam room or something. And I passed out after my first half and like was puking and I had no idea what I was in like in for. So that's, that's it was like vital that you had that. That's crazy. Yeah, unless you're specifically told by your doctor, then you're probably okay, especially again, if you work out and you eat whole natural foods,

this is not an issue. And again, I want to be very clear, the studies that show negative effects from sodium don't parse out the fact that they're eating eating heavily processed foods. That's what you're seeing. What you see is, oh, high sodium group, heavily processed food group.

Not, and it's not the sodium. It's the fact that they're eating these heavily processed foods. Speaking of football and college and stuff, so I moved in, we moved my kid into college this weekend, right? Oh, yeah. And the reason why that made me think of that was, he's living in the dorms, right?

He's living in the dorms, right. I'll tell you guys all about the experience But but before I do there was a big family event that was happening At night were like the parents of the new students would show up. There were food trucks You had all the athletes for the college there and the cheerleaders and like some clubs and stuff, right? Mm-hmm. I cannot believe the size of some of these college football players, these kids, they're like huge, 19, 20. Yeah. There was this Samoan dude, there was this Samoan man,

like a grown man, massive. He was like six, probably six, six, two hundred, six pounds. Yeah. Just walking around, you know? And they all have their jerseys on, so you can tell that they play football or it says, you know, football on it. And I'm looking at this kid and I like, I fought the urge, I wanted to go up to him,

be like, bro, how much you weigh? You know what I'm like, I'll be creepy. I'm like, I'm gonna save you. They're all sitting there, I'm like, these guys are giant. They're so big, dude. And their kids are college. They're gonna get so much bigger.

And you're looking at, I mean, like, as it gets higher, it gets like exponentially crazy. That's what I mean. Like, it's like, it's one thing to see, like, star, high school kids, they already look like they're grown men compared to the high school, regular high school kids. Then you see them go to college, those college kids, and then the division one,

yeah, the CD one, then you see D1, this is crazy, it's like, it's like literally, when you see, once you get to D1 is, and pro is like, the biggest thing of that, all of them. You's easier D1 is like literally when you see when you get to D1 is and pro is like the biggest thing of that all of them. You see they're all like that every single one is just a freak man. Yeah, and I mean, I'm looking at this guy and he looks like a grown man, right? He's got like a beard and he's just massive and there's like four other guys like him, right? He's like the kid who I remember the one kid you guys went to school like six grade he had

like a must in the year. Yeah, yeah, like the one kid there. He had like 10 kids. Yeah, okay, so you know when you look at a kid and you could tell They're young by the way they move and stuff so I'm looking at him and I'm like he hasn't even reached like his full form Like his five-year-old's a big baby giraffe That was your kid. I mean go clean your room. No, all right, whatever. Yeah, he's even grown into a shoes yet. Oh, it's hilarious. But anyway, so we move him in. Would you ever want to be that big?

Either one of you? What, I? Yeah, I kind of did. Really? No, I would want to. No, I'm not expecting C-Bro. Yeah. Bro, that's like a super high.

So you have never done anything that reduces your life expectancy? No, I'm not saying that. I'm not, whoa, I ain't saying that. I ain't saying that. You know what I'm saying? But I mean, like, if you're that massive, even if you're super healthy,

I mean, what's the, someone who's like, six, eight, 300 pounds, what's their, I mean, hardly even know. You know, it's funny about that because I went down to visit my friend who's the guy I live with in college, who's my roommate, who was like, he's sick.

Yeah, like over 300. And I was like, just in the Range Rover and I was driving. He couldn't even fit. I couldn't even imagine him. I was like, I didn't even think of that. You know, because like, I just know him and, you know, he's been my friend forever. And I just, I don't look at him like, is this giant dude anymore? You know, and so he goes to get in and he he just like puts it all the way into the back seat,

and he's just, I'm like, oh my God, you know, everything's more difficult when you're like bigger, like that too. And my dad does the same thing, he's six seven, and he was always like, he couldn't drive certain cars, like, you know, being on a plane, he was always just like, I have to get this seat,

and he's like very like stirred about., stirred about, he's like super uncomfortable. I just watched a show on Netflix about the Tyson Fury family. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he's giant, he's giant. I haven't a really hard time adapting to regular lives. Yeah, it's actually a really interesting family. It was really endearing.

So he's the call in the Gypsy King. Yeah, yeah. Bro, their culture, like they're speaking English, so they're in the Jackson. Their culture reminds me so much of like my dad's family. This is Celian culture. The way they talk yell at the kids and they are with each other.

I'm like, oh my God, this is so similar. But anyway, he's massive. His dad, they show his dad, his dad's in his 60s. And they show him and he has this really fancy trailer, you know, because he still is like, I'm a gypsy, right? Yeah, he's gonna have the trailer, yeah. And he walks out, and I looked at Jessica, and I'm like, oh, I could see where Tyson got him, like that guy right there, if he hits you, he'll break your head, like, look, look

at his hands, look at his forearm. Yeah, yeah. And then sure enough, few scenes later, he's in the gym, working out, you know, in his 60s something years old, and he's just one of those old guys, it's just strong. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, just a strong older guy now only 60 something years old. And he's just one of those old guys. It's just strong. It's the cable broke. Yeah, cable broke. Yeah, just a strong older guy or whatever. And it's a cool show.

But anyway, so we moved my son in and, oh man. It's one of the hardest things I ever did. It's saying bye to my kid. Yeah, imagine. This is your oldest. This is the first one. You gotta go through. I got this crazy flashback.

So we're moving, we drive up there. We're moving him in and I got this flashback for. So we're moving, we drive up there, we're moving them in and I got this flashback for his first day of school. So I remember when you was going, like Katie Garden first grade like that. Yeah. So I remember his first day of school, his mom and I brought him and I remember walking

with him holding his hand and him saying to me. Yeah, and he goes, well, I'm gonna be brave today. I'm gonna be because I was trying to prepare him and I'm like, okay buddy and we'm gonna be, because I was trying to prepare him, and I'm like, okay, buddy, and we get there. And then we're like situating him, and then the teachers will say, okay, parents, time to go now, Tevidee.

Well, my wife at the time, she's like, I'm gonna leave, you handle this last part. So I said, okay, I'll do it. So she took off, and then, you know, I'm kind of hanging out with them, and teachers like, okay, everybody, you know, time to leave now, and said, all right, buddy, I gotta go,

and he gave me a hug, and didn't wanna let go. And I had to, I had to like, okay, everybody, you know, time to leave now and say, all right, buddy, I got to go. And he gave me a hug and didn't want to let go. And I had to, I had like, you like prying him. I did. I remember I pulled him off and he's reaching for me like this with like tears and the teacher took him away. And I left. And I was destroyed. Now it's the opposite. I had that, say that flashback as I was moving him in. Okay. What is, what is that? So I find this interesting because you told the story and I can totally relate to this. Oh, it's so hard. So this is really interesting to me

and I can't wrap my brain around like why this is. So in our house, I'm definitely the stern one, right? So I'm more of the hard ass about like with Max and I'm always talked about the manufacturing adversity shit, right? Like I'm always thinking like that. But then that that like I won't even take him to school because of that Like I would just give up I would like I could treat it does that for us and She's the strong one that can go through that process like I'm so bad that if he looked at me like that I'm like all right cool. Let's go home. Do you know why I just I am I like that something about that

I'm such a hard ass with all these other things and not sensitive about it, right? Like get back in your bed, you're supposed to be at things like that where she's like, come on, just let him. It's okay. But then when it comes to seeing that with him at school and then look at that like the fear in his eyes that I don't want to go,

oh, I'm a sucker. So the way I felt, I don't know, maybe you feel like this. The way I felt, I remember the feeling as I peeled them off me and gave them to the teacher, I felt like I betrayed them. So that's how, he's probably put forward like, or I'm on the protective, on the protective one,

and I'm not protecting him. That's it, okay. So that's what I felt. So that's what I felt. It has to be like that, right? Because I'm like, here I am such a hard-ass about all this other stuff. Doesn't bother me, I'm emotionless,

but then all of a sudden, when I have to go give him to strangers and see the fear in his eyes like that, I'm like, oh fuck no. Yeah, yeah, no, you come with me. That's exactly what I felt. I felt like I betrayed my, I felt like I'd be what it is. It's like when you get your kid has to get a shot. You ever feel like that where you're like distract your kid and he gets shame looks at you. He's like, yeah, how could you far, though? How could you let this happen? Yeah, you're like, oh, I'm sorry, buddy. Yeah, but anyway, so we dropped them off and immediately when we get there, you could tell he's like trying to be independent already.

He's trying to do his thing and say, hey, you want to come to lunch? He's like, no, I'll stay here and his mom is having a tough time. And I'm like, we gotta let him do his thing. And every day, I want to call him or whatever. Right. So I mean, he's probably just super excited to go on this whole thing.

But like, you know, and then you're struggling with like, are you sure, are you gonna be okay? He's like, you know, and then you're struggling with like, are you sure, you know, like, are you gonna be okay? He's like, I'm fine. Yeah, like, yeah, I can see that. Well, he's gonna figure shit out. He has to figure things out. He's fine.

He's a smart kid. He's responsible. It's awesome that he's excited. I mean, I think that's what I would probably want as a dad more than anything else, is that he's excited to go take life on, right? Like, I mean, that's a scary time. The whole thing's way harder for parents, right?

Way worse. Yes, way harder. I'm like dreading it too. I remember thinking, I thought how silly my mom was when I moved out. She'd call me every day and she'd cry every day. Every day, she would call me. And every day, she would cry because she'd ask me,

what I ate and it wasn't whatever, you know, we not take care of her, she'd start crying. And I'd be like, oh my God, mom, it's fine. It's not a big deal. I just, now I know, you know, it care of it. And she start crying and I'd be like, oh my God, mom, it's fine, it's not a big deal. I just, now I know, you know, it feels like, I just want him to want to come back around. That's the biggest fear that I have, especially with the way I'm divided with my family,

and like I don't have that pool to do that. Like that would break my heart. If my son doesn't want to come back around, like, man, I really hope that, whatever it is, I did this next 18 years or less than that now, 14 years or whatever, what I wanna make sure is that when he leaves, he leaves with the, oh, I missed dad, I missed family, I wanna come back and not the,

oh no, I'm saying I got this, which was my attitude. My attitude was like, let me go, let me go, let me go live my life and then I don't have that same pool to come back and that's all I want. You guys might hear something really crazy. Talk about like a small world. This is so wild. So we get there and we have to park near the dorm so we can unload the car.

And then there's kids volunteering who help you bring stuff up and have these huge baskets on. These big carts or whatever and you put your stuff in, right? So we park the car. This kid comes out and he's helping us. He's a nice kid, so I'm talking to him and hey, what are you studying, whatever,

and we're talking back and forth. And I said, yeah, we're staying up, and he's like, where you guys from? And so we're from San Jose, but we're up in Trucke right now. Oh, really, you got to play something, so yeah, we're talking. And he goes, yeah, he goes,

I worked on this house in Truckee. He goes, it was so crazy. He's like, they had this whole jam and they had like a podcast studio in there. And I looked at him like, shit. Yeah, I got up. I swear to God. And I said, was it, and I gave him, you know,

I told him we're out of whatever. And he goes, that's your, I said, yeah, bro. He goes, wait a minute. What is it? He goes, what's the name of your podcast? It's a mind pump. He goes, that's so great. The guy fixed her pipe. The guy who fixed, the guy who fixed the,

the guy who fixed the, he was there, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was a kid, his name was Ty. Yeah. It was a leaky window that he fixed. And I'm like, you might have met the leaky window. Yeah, yeah, it was a leaky window. I'm like, I wonder if you met Justin,

but he was like telling me. That's funny, dude. Bro, that's cool. He's always a, it was a crazy house. I had like a jam. And I think they like podcasts equipment in there. And I looked at them like, this is a joke. What are the chances of that?

That's why. I know, right? Oh, that's so great. I saw it as a good sign. We just got there. So it's a good omen. Now, okay, so he was just helping out. So he already goes to school there.

Older kid. Yeah. Oh, wow. Nice kid. And then I met a dad who listened to the show. You could tell he lifted. And we were talking. He's like, I'm an NPC judge. met a dad who listened to the show. He was, you could tell he lifted and we were talking. He's like, I'm an NPC judge, we're like, you know, whatever, I'm like dropping a kid off.

He's like, yeah, like this sucks, right? He's like, huh, totally sucks. Yeah. So anyway, there he is. So there it is, yeah. Yeah, it's a big deal. It's weird, I know, going home and knowing he's not there and stuff, you know?

Yeah, do you think you'll go, do you think you'll go up there and stay up there or are you gonna be like, let him be type of deal? Well, every time I go up, I'm gonna try to make time to have lunch with him or just to see him, you know? Yeah, but other than that, I mean. Would you guys consider,

so we've considered and I had this conversation like recently and we think I'll run the same page, but would you guys consider if like one of, like say your oldest, like say in eight years, six years, six to eight years, marries and moves to Florida or New York or some of that? Would you guys consider moving where your kid is? I have four kids, so that's hard. Yeah, it would depend.

Yeah, I would. I would too. I said, could you and I both agree with hard. Yeah, it would depend. Yeah, I would. I would too. So, Katrina and I both agree with what? Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, it's funny because they're young now and so they want to kind of please. And they're always like, oh, we'll always be kind of close to you, Dad.

I wouldn't leave you. Well, by the house across the street. You say that now, dude. Yeah, with that now, you get to like break my heart later. You know what sucks is what we live is one of the most impossible places to live if you're new, if you just get into the workforce. Like a 40-year-old. That's where I bring it up

because I think it's a very realistic situation that we would be in, right? Like I think that, and I guess I didn't really think about that until I- And let's do it like the gemstones, you buy like a big block. How's it? Well, I also see, I also see the struggle

that my mom has. My mom decided to move like, and I didn't think about this until I had a son, right? It was just like, whatever my mom's gonna go move where she wants to live, right? So she moved out in the Timbuktu, like where she likes to be. But then like nobody comes out there.

Like nobody goes out there to see her or visit her. And everybody's busy in their own lives. And we have, she has three kids or four kids in three different states. So the likelihood that they're all they're all going to come back. And so I really feel like it'll be, and, and then you can't, you can't blame the young kids, right? They're all in their 20s and 30s. I know I'm the oldest 40, but everybody else besides my sister,

Cassie are in their 30s and 20s. And so they're all trying to build their lives and figured out and, and survive and make it happen. Like they can't afford to fly back or drive all time. Go see my mom. And so I, I really think about, man, what would I do if I'm in that situation with Max? And I'm like, fuck, it'll be on me. It'll be on me as the parent, I'll be the one that probably will be financially stable enough to be able to even do that.

And so yeah, I'd be sacrificing maybe the town or the place I love to be or live in, but man, to potentially not see, especially if you have grandkids, you want to be. Well, that's what I mean. And that's what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about with him. I couldn't go follow my son out when he's like

dating some girl out in New York, who's like, he's doing his own favorite. He's probably moving around as well. But yeah, exactly. But if he, like, hey, settles down, buys a house, marries, and is there trying to have a kid, like, I'm already thinking like, oh, we're moving out there.

Well, think about it. If you graduate, and you get a good degree, and then you go start working, you're gonna make not enough to live around here. Even, you won't make enough. You got to live with a bunch of roommates or whatever. If you meet someone right around that time, you wanna settle down, let's say you wanna start a family.

You can't do it. You know that's the only way. That's only really happened in the last 30, 40 years. I know. I mean, did you see the all all in graph that they put up? I did. So I think that was over 50 years. Yeah.

Yeah, but that's, okay, so we live in a very weird area. A lot of places in the country are totally fine. That's all, that was, that wasn't a California thing. No, I'm talking about cost of living. I know what you're talking about. Oh, yeah, yeah, that was different. Yeah, they brought up a chart to show that the, what they would call the wealth gap, right?

How much the upper, you the upper quintile or whatever makes versus the lower and that gap has grown over time? But that doesn't tell the whole story. And I like the way that they kind of went over. It was a great discussion. I mean, I'll have the boys share what episode that was and maybe even like a little sound bite from that because it created a

rule. One, that's why I love that podcast is because you got, you know, for these Uber successful guys that all kind of have different political views, right? So they all, and so to listen to them, and they're all very intelligent, so to listen to them debate and argue, like, that's a very hot topic, right? Is this like, oh, it's the Uber rich, and what should we do? Should we tax them more, should we level it all out? And so did listen to them all have that debate. You said it, you felt it was incomplete. I thought it was actually really complete.

I thought they did a good job, but they could have gone further. Because that data, if you just look at the chart, what people assume is that the rich get richer, and this is what you hear, and the poor get poorer, and that's how it stays. It doesn't tell you the whole picture. Well, first off, Margaret Thatcher did a great speech to Parliament in the 80s, specifically about this.

She said, you know, she, they were talking about the gap back then, and she said, you would rather the gap be smaller, but everybody be down here versus the gap be bigger, but everybody be up here. And that's exactly what would happen. When you have markets, people and companies that provide value are going to continue to earn faster.

I'll give you a simple example. If two people invested into a market at the same rate, let's say both of them got 10% returns. One person invests $10,000. The other person invests $500,000. They get the same rate of return. The $500,000 investment is gonna get you a lot more money. Just in dollars.

So if we look at dollars growth, we'll see that the $500,000 investment person is just getting richer faster than the person investing $10,000. Because the more money you have, the greater your returns, the more you can invest. Okay, the other part that they don't show and data like that is the mobility between those numbers. Well, I thought they kind of talked about that, which I thought was a great point, is that every one of them,

so there's like a green, an orange, a red, a blue, and then like a black line. And the black dotted line represents the Uber rich. The green is like, you know, under $30,000 a year, whatever. And I think three of the four guys all came from that. Yeah. So they all had, they all, all of them had parents that.

85% of millionaires are 100% self made. 85% that's a cool stuff. So, you know, that'll, I'm the son of immigrants that were poor and uneducated. And, you know, so. You also see example, I lived an example of this with working for 24-hour fitness of, because you have like these small examples

of where companies change policies that are more, I mean, say socialist ideas for a lack of a better word, like where we start to bring up the bottom and, you know and compress the upper. Oh, yeah, when they would change the comp plans. And so here's how it plays out. Okay. So they, and this was literally the tipping point for me of leaving the company was, I went through six different comp plan changes in eight years.

And every time they did a comp plan change, they, they, like, it's always to benefit the company, obviously. But they always still left an opportunity. I just had to work harder or find another way. I could still make the same kind of money or even potentially more. I just had to work a lot harder, give more to do that, which, okay, I would force, of course, I was frustrated, but I figured it out until the last comp plan changed. The last comp plan change was a first time and they literally came out and said it. We want more of these D players to become C and B players, and we're less concerned about these A players, because they're such a small minority of killers,

and so they put a ceiling on us. I can no longer make the kind of money that I was used to making, because they wanted to take that cream, or they wanted to take that extra, chop it off, give it to the bottom, to bring us up to make us all more even. You know what ended up happening? A company to get it in the way.

Company eventually goes bankrupt. And let me tell you something, everybody of those people that were the top performers have all left and gone and made millions somewhere else. And so the company for adopting an ideology like this is the one that suffers. And so I think that's an example of what would happen

if we did that on a more global level where we try to do that. You think it would make things better because it would bring that bottom half up, but you would compress the top. So much theory in how things actually work out. Yeah, they would leave. They would leave and find somewhere else to figure it out.

Listen, the bottom line is the more value you bring to the market, the more, and the market determines your value, whether you like it or not, we can say that teachers are valuable, but the reality is the market values professional football players more, and how do you know this? They get paid more, okay? So that's, and by the way, we're the market. So if you don't like something, then go change your consumption.

That's just the way it is, okay? So that's good or bad. The more value you bring, the more money you make, the easier it is to make even more money. Okay, here's a good example. The more successfully you become, the more free shit you get. The more money you have that you can save, the more you can put into devices and areas that make you passive income. So it just accelerates, okay? Your ability to succeed continues to accelerate

the more you make. And people think that's a problem, that's not a problem. The problem is when people look at themselves, compare themselves to other people and say, well, why should they have so much when I have? But the reality is everybody is doing better. Everybody continues. And then the mobility is very good.

So here's where where we can fix things, get out of the way for the people on the bottom. A good example is this. You want to start, let's say you want to start a business and they use this example. I remember this example. A hair braid. Yeah. This was a great example on the East Coast. If you wanted to open up a hair braiding business, say, you want to just, all you want to do

is braid hair. They have regulations where you have to go spend thousands of dollars taking courses and classes. You have to open up a shop that has like two or three sinks in it. There's only weird regulations just to braid hair. So here you are. You don't have a lot of education. You know how to braid hair real well You want to start your own business? I don't have fifty thousand dollars to do all this stuff

So I can't I can't do this business. I can't start. There's a lot of examples of that now. Why do those regulations exist? It's not to protect the consumers or protect the producer all these barber shops and whatever They're the ones that push for these regulations to limit Competition in California is a great example. We have like Uber door-dash, right? A lot of ones that push for these regulations to limit competition. California is a great example. We have Uber, DoorDash, right? A lot of people go work for these companies specifically because they want the flexibility.

They want to make their money, they want to turn it on when they want, they want to turn it off when they want. California politicians of course come out and say, hey, they deserve to have all these guaranteed benefits and all of a sudden, which basically would crush how these companies work. And the people who are getting jobs are like I don't want that I just want to be able to go turn on turn off do my thing and what you're what these regulations are gonna do is make it harder For us to do to be able to do that kind of stuff

That's what you need to do is get out of the way and the second thing is Make it so that education is more market-based because one of the greatest disparities That exists in modern societies in America, if you wanna see the difference between rich and poor, go to publicly funded services, not markets, forget markets, go to public schools, go to a public school in a, quote unquote, bad area, and then go to a public school in a quote unquote,

both funded by the state, and you tell me a public school and quote unquote, good, both funded by the state. And you tell me that isn't the most ridiculous, insane disparity. And if you allow kids or parents to make choices to take that tax money and go spend it where they want, then that would help balance it out. Those two things alone will make the biggest. Do we have any candidates right now that are presenting that? Oh, we've talked about that for a long time,

and I know that's not like, you know, it's not something we want. I know Vivek Vivek is. Is he? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. He's surging, I see. He passed the Santa's officially, huh? He's second and I just watched him with Bill Mar. And Bill Mar was going at him hard.

Oh really? Dude, he was so cool and so honest and he says a lot of shit that makes me go, man, I hope he's got security. Like, some of the side stuff. time bro do you know what he said he wants to put there's two people he wants to put in charge of auditing the Fed Rand or Ron Paul right right away when he said that I'm like oh bro yeah get your security on you that's good it's not good it's not dismant the FBI. He's smart, the guy's real smart. Do you know the back to the conversation of the wealth cap?

So you know what makes it really hard to defend is when you have examples like the Purdue pharma, did you see that? You guys see that what the painkiller documentary that's out right now? You have to watch that. Like I knew a little bit of the story, but I really didn't know all the details behind it. And it's another one of those, like what do you call those again? The...

DocuDrama. DocuDrama, right? So they, like it's based on real events and everything like that, but then they have actors and stuff there, and it's like, I think it's like a four or six part series, something like that. Really, really, I don't wanna ruin it because it had one of those, like my jaw was on the floor

at the end of it. But I mean, another example of Uber rich families that passed down the wealth and they put things in place that like really fuck over a lot of people. Let me guess, it has to do with basically lobbying government to create a relationship. Oh, it's the whole oxy cotton move. And so, yeah, so there are an example of,

you know, without spoiling it, like even when their hand get caught in the cookie jar, you know, there are phone call away from the White House. You know who loves regulations? Who loves regulations? Yeah, big business. Yeah, loves it. When you try to raise, you know who loves raising minimum wage?

Big-ass retail companies that can afford to and put out pops can't like forward these employees at like certain rates. If Walmart wants to completely destroy all the small businesses, all they have to do is get minimum wage. Well, I remember. I remember. Well, I remember the numbers on there right now.

Do we know like after COVID, like how many small businesses just got completely available? It never came back. It never came back. Yeah, it never came back. Because I know a ton. It was a huge percent. A ton, especially in our area that just have never been able to come back. You want to transfer wealth. That was forced. And that totally made these big companies explode. And it's like, because they could do delivery to your door. They got exceptions. Oh, right. You could stay open. Yeah. And the small businesses they close. Bigger than it's ever been. You know, another percentage is crazy that I just I heard this stat on that that telemarketing

documentary that's going on right now. It's on the second episode. Yeah, you were telling me. And so non profits. Okay. There's over a million non profits. They make up 10% of the entire GDP, over $2 trillion a year. And because of the way they're structured, the hustle is crazy. So I've told this story, if you've listened since the beginning, someone's definitely heard me tell a story. I've told this story to many people before about my experience working in medical marijuana

and just how corrupt it was and all things like that. I've told you guys before how I even got shook down by local police in the fire. And after I watched this, for the first time, you ever found that feeling when you recognized as a closer, like, oh my God, I got close, so hard and didn't even know. Wow.

This is how hard I got close, is that I've been saying that for over a decade now that, you know, I got basically, you know, had them basically squeeze me for money, right? It wasn't them. It was telemarketers presenting themselves. And I was an easy target because I was working in the gray area. And so these telemarketers were smart and new to call all these dispensaries and say, hey, you should probably donate your money to the boat. And so, because of the way they probably said it, it's like protection. Oh, for sure.

And that's in like after watching this documentary, I go, oh my God, I got fucking had. And then, let's go. I'm at a whole hustle with like, what are they called? Like the IRS, like where they're saying like, oh yeah. That's why people, it's that fear

because there's the majority of people like have probably fudge something. Bro, and on top of you add an effect, so once I gave money to one, I'm on a list now. And so they just call that list. It says on it, wail. So, yeah, call that. No, that's how this is, there's like,

so veterans disability, firefighters, police are the top in cancer, top four of what they do for these. And then the way they're structured, they're in this weird predicament because the police departments are the ones and the firefighters, they actually hired these companies to, this telemarker becomes the provider service. Because even though they're only getting 10% of the money,

it's more than they would get other ones. It's more than they would get other ones. It's more than they would get other ones. And they don't have the manpower to do all this. So they kind of don't give a shit because they wouldn't get that much money. So they and then what ends up happening even when they find out like one of these companies that pops up is doing something illegal, it becomes like a speeding ticket or they shut them down so they can only and they just reopen up another one and then literally within a month,

the same hustle rehired people back, they're doing it again. And it's just this game that they just, they play. And because they're operating within the law, there's not a lot that the law can do. And it makes up 10% of the GDP. Wow. Fucking crazy, right?

That's insane. That's insane. And you remember getting that? Oh, I remember so much because I told so many people that it was the police and fire department that got me. But now I realize. They ain't got the time for that. No. Yeah.

No. And when I think about a phone call, I'm like, oh, you know what? Like, it's not like they told me. It was some ex-con. Oh, for sure. It was somebody hustle the shit out of me. And they got it.

And like, and I didn't think twice because of course the position I'm what I'm doing somebody hustled the shit out of me, and they got it. And I didn't think twice, because of course the position, I'm what I'm doing, I'm like, oh my God, I'm the great. I had a buddy who was, he, and so he was a prime target, because so he got one of those calls from somebody who pretended to be the IRS.

We're the IRS, and we noticed this that in the other, and you all get much money. Otherwise, we're gonna take you to court, maybe throw in jail. Now because he was already dancing the line with taxes and stuff He was already like scared. Yeah, the guy convinced him to get visa cards To pay oh god to pay Thousands of dollars crazy over the phone To these people literally sick I think it was like 6,000. Well, he doesn't even register because he's just

interested in years. Yes, no, he's got guilt. He's just getting at the team. Yeah, I'll do it. I'll do whatever. Hey, just after he paid it, he called me, and he's like, oh my God, I almost got in trouble. And as he's telling me, he starts to realize. As he's telling me, I'm like, so I had to go get

a gift cards and I had to do it. And he's like, bro, that's how I'm like, you think the IRS collects money like that? Hey, that's how I felt like, you think the IRS collects money? Like, yeah. Hey, that's how I felt telling Katrina the story last night. I'm like telling hers I'm watching this going like, and I'm like having that moment of, oh my God. That wasn't the police, like I like having,

I had that moment last night. It was wild. It was like, oh my God, this whole time, I've been telling the same story, like they got over on me, like the cops. And it's like oh no I just got closed hard by a telemark. Wow that sucks. All right. I'm gonna change direction I want to talk about these they're going they're going like crazy the so aren't we released a new

program right maps old-time strength in the program we have three strength challenges based off of what some of these bronze era athletes would do on stage. People are already sharing and talking all about it. In fact, do you have the challenges, I would love to give our audience what the challenges are and how to get the figure out the right weights. What do you call the program? Helen started the spreadsheet, I saw that. So whether and for them is already in it.

And whether you follow the program or not, we might as well put out what these challenges are and let people have fun with them. Could you do that? Justin maybe put like a three slide for Instagram for the main IG where people can actually see it. Yeah, I have those posters in it. Yeah, that'd be perfect.

Exactly. Like most of you want those exercises are and the requirement. And the percentages, right? Yeah, because. So the way we design them, first of all, one of them is based off of max strength. The other one is based off of strength stamina.

Time. And then the third one is based off of your, your, your isometric stability and grit. So three strength challenges, we pick those three because you're probably gonna be good at one of them and not good at the other ones. It gives everybody an opportunity to kind of. You shine, you definitely shine

in probably one versus the other. Yes, but yeah, this is all like a big test to see kind of where you stand. You have it out, right? Total. Okay. So here we go. So the first one is a strength challenge. Here's what you do.

It's your max barbell single arm deadlift. It's your max dumbbell or barbell bent press. So that's a one arm bent press. We did basically for women, we did the dumbbell and for men, we did the barbell. Yes. And then it's your max barbell haxquat. Now, how do you compete with other people?

It's, you get your total weight and it's a percentage of your body weight, okay? So, you know, I did 175% of my body weight, 275% of my body, whatever. That's the number that you present to show how strong you are pound for pound. The second one is called the Stamina Challenge. This one you do as many dive bomber or Hindu push-ups as you can do. So same exercise.

It's the one where your butt is up and you swing down and come up. The second one is front squats. You take half your body weight. That's the amount of weight that you use. And then the last one is called the C-Saw Press. This is a shoulder press with dumbbells. Continuous. Continuous. One arm after another. You do as many reps as you can, women pick 10% of their body weight per arm, men pick 15% of their body weight per arm. And for this, the number that you give is the total reps. You add all the reps up for all of these.

And then so I did 275 reps or 150, whatever, right? The last one is the grit challenge. With this one you do a dumbbell single arm overhead hold for women, it's 30% of your body weight, for men, it's 50% of your body weight. The next one is a barbell suitcase hold, so that's a barbell on your side. Women, 50% of the body weight, men, 70% of the body weight. And the last one is called a chin over a bar hold.

So you pull yourself up over a bar, if you're a man, for women, you just start that way. Hold your chin over the bar, and you do that for time. The number you present is the total time. How much total time you did for all three of them, that's your number. I'd love to see these people post it. Yeah, if you tag MindPunt Media, I'll let Chokie know since she runs that, we'll start sharing these stories. Yeah, so anyway, it's gonna be fun to see what people share and stuff and see what's going on, but people are

already talking about them. And it's cool because it's an alternative to powerlifting or talking about them. And it's cool because it's an alternative to powerlifting or most strength events are so unilaterally focused or you do CrossFit that doesn't make any sense. So at least with these, we see what these look like and then see what people do. They're specific. Yeah. Yeah. Challenge is. Yeah. Have you taken the kids down to Monterey Zoo yet? No. You need to do, you know we're supposed to. I'm telling you right now that is like,

So Katrina was telling Jessica, was it amazing? Yeah, well yeah, I mean, we go all the time now, but I have never been and seen more than five people. Really? It doesn't matter if it's a Saturday or Sunday, it's just nobody knows about it. Do you have like all the cool animals? Yes.

Like bears and all the dancing. Yes, lions, knows about it. You have like all the cool animals. Yes. Like bears and elephants. Yes. Lions, tigers, bears. A lot of things. Like is it a fairly new? It's my name. It's my name. It's right by Marina, but it's Monterey.

Okay. So if you put Monterey Zoo and that's what it'll pop up, it, it, it, Justin, it was like this, like a rescue of all these animals. And then it wasn't an actual zoo until like I think like four or five years ago, maybe a little longer now. So I've never heard of it. I didn't know about it either

and Katrina heard about it. I believe Jerry's husband of my brother-in-law has actually worked there as a kid. So, and that's, he worked there when it was like a rescue, right? But I mean, it's immaculate, so clean, has every main animal there when it was like a rescue, right? But I mean it's emaculant so clean has every main animal and it's like what's your favorite animal to look at? That's a good question. What do I what do I I'd love like tigers and I love big cats big cats are cool to me Yeah, I'd like to watch I like to watch big cats. Yeah, grillas. Don't fuck around. No, it's I'll sit in stare a gorilla for an hour. Yeah, I can watch I could watch any any

Munky intimidating dude. Yeah monkey or gorilla would you know? I like Realized because they're similar to humans. Yeah, so you can see like the muscular development on them They see like right three two look at you like oh god, bro. They're arms and delts. Just looks so insane Yeah, you know they don't even body build it's crazy I think big cats are just like beautiful animals. You ever go to a listening to them before they're hungry. I was gonna say you ever go where they feed them and you hear them all roaring and stuff.

It's so loud. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, but I mean, it's such a cool like spot that I swear that nobody, nobody goes to and it's a great. Because I'm like, I hate like the create. We go to some of these big sues like San Diego, even San Francisco, so packed. You know, you're trying to everyone's like against the glass or thing, it's like you can't see, it's like,

we can literally go there and it's like, you have every exhibit to your side. I have a good, I have an interesting question, because I've been to the exhibits where they feed the cats and they're always giving them stakes, like big ass, like, stakes to, and I don't know if that's for the people to watch, if that's what the people to watch, if that's what they always feed them. Do you, maybe you could look this up,

because if you're a wild cat, you're a tiger or a lion, you're eating grass fed everything. You ain't eating, no. You're not eating like a normal convention. Are they feeding them grass fed meat? Well, you just brought something up that's really crazy. Because I wonder if that's the, because it gets their natural, right?

What if the health go, or you get half an animal? Are you guys. Because I wonder if that's the, so, so, natural, right? What's the health goal? Are you half an animal? Are you guys familiar with T24? That's that famous tiger they call the man-eater? There's a documentary about it. Oh, in India. Yes.

Killed like 100 people. No, just four. Okay. Eight four, like full eight, like attacked. Eight. Eight. No. Not like defended himself.

And that was like the big debate, right? There was a bunch of, there was a huge activist movement behind it and everything because over and it was in like the course of eight or 10 years that this tiger literally attacked an eight for four men. But the interesting, the tiger ends up going into, they eventually put it in captivity and they have to feed it and it ends up having to have surgery because of digestion issues. So your point is probably exactly what happened. And they, and they, and they,

the doctor mentioned briefly talks a little bit about, but it's just about like the animal, not to mention that, but also like the part of the digestive process is the moving and the hunting and the like being active. So you put them in this cage and just feed them this big chunk of probably not grass-fed beef. It's wild like, and kill, the hunt, the walking afterwards doesn't really happen. It's a fast food version. So he had all that, he had that surgery over like digestive issues. Now I read, I don't know if this is correct, but I read that if you get eaten by a tiger, it kills you first.

So like bite your throat, kills you, and then eats you. Yeah. If you get, if you get eaten by a polar bear, it just starts eating you. It holds you down, it just starts eating you. Isn't it like a hyena or something, each you ask first? Oh, is that true? Yeah, like when you're still alive.

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I mean they hunt people. Yeah. I mean the food scares so they're opportunists. It's like if they if it's in front of them there you can. Well, they're the only bear that I think is a pure carnivore. Mm hmm. If I'm not mistaken. I know all grizzlies and stuff you bear.

On the wars. Yeah. They're omnivores but polar bears only eat me. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. So like you're an explorer and you see a polar bear Then the odds are he's tracking it. Well, that's also probably because when you're if you're a polar bear where you're at There isn't any of course

You have no choice but fat and protein right? I saw this funny video. There's this guy like kayaking and I I swear, I don't know if it's this year or not, but there's been more of these like, sea animal attacks, or they're like, coming after humans, but there's a seal. It literally had a huge octopus in its mouth, and it gets up out of the water and slaps some of the face with this octopus,

dude, it was the funniest thing I've ever seen. out of the water and slap some of the face with this octopus. It was the funniest thing I've ever seen. And the caption on it was like, because he had scratches on his face, like he's trying to explain it to his wife. Listening to like a seal, he came up, slapping with an octopus. We were trying just to fight, you know, like,

sure honey, adventure. Nobody would believe that. Nobody would believe it. You'll never believe it. Yeah, you'll never believe it Seal you don't sit out a seal scratch your face. No, no, no, I see you laughing in the face with an octopus octopus You know we are cracking up about this week. We were at we were at Fisherman's War, right and the the sea otters were like crazy And they are all beach right there I don't know if you guys saw that my video is but we were like, I mean, from me to Justin.

The cutest animals ever. Well, you know what, we were cracking up about it. I mean, they were just all beached in this area is the like one, they'll be like, there's a bunch of them, they're like passed out over here and then we want it comes out of the water and he just hops across all of them and you can see him get pissed, you know what I'm saying?

Like, you're dead of sleep and this big ol' fat sea on it. Jump saw him, you know, and they start fighting and stuff and we were so washing for about 20 minutes, Max was cracking. You know when they sleep on their back. So they're cute, rather like super, to say I love them. When I was a kid, I was one of the favorite animals.

When they sleep, they hold hands. You guys know that? They don't float away from each other. Yeah, they lay on their backs like this and then they'll hold their little, their little, like, little free-paw. Little, like, almost dogs. You know, they just get the little fuzzy face.

I also didn't know that tigers are another one of those animals that pick one mate for life. They'll stay with, they'll stay with the same name. They do? Yeah, I didn't know that because I thought that someone told me it was the only one. Oh, that's true. That's right. Lions are different. Lions will have a lot of fun.

Yeah, lions are different. Yeah, they, you know, you know, tigers are bigger than lions, but lions are better fighters. No, I don't ask me how I know this. I looked at some, I actually looked at stuff. That's not true. So fighters. Don't ask me how I know this. I looked at something like that. Oh, I actually looked at stuff. That's not true. So it's like, so. No, I heard so.

So here I'm, I would go around the whole. I want to know what you're in. Tigers are big and fat. And you so in the cases where a, a, a, they've had this multiple times where a tiger has gotten into a lion's cage or like at a zoo and the tiger wins every time. But there's theories that in the wild, if a tiger were to attack a lion, the lion would win, but because he's in a pack,

because lions go in a pack like that, where a tiger runs solo. So here's what I read. Because in captivity is different. Yes, right. It's always very different. So what I've read, and then Romans have, from the Colosseum, they have accounts

of the most fearsome animals, that the hippo was the one that killed everybody But the the tiger excuse me a lion fights all the time Lions always fight with each other. That's why they have a big name. Yeah protects their neck There's tigers are visible to the yeah, so tigers don't have good fighting skills Tigers are a lot more elusive too because they, you know, they have the whole jungle and like their environments difference so they can hide and then pounce a lot more. Like I mean, that being said, didn't he man ride a tiger? It was a tiger ride. That's that's that's all the arguments. That's all the argument right there. Like you got, you know, yeah. Anyway, back you got what you got. Let's see. This is the

same or I read this right here. Yeah, Tigers generally have the upper hand. See? Yeah, but that's in that's really, I really like down captivating. I went down this rabbit hole reading all this after that. So funny that you said that. Like I said, because I was just curious.

I'm like, you know what, they are bigger. They would take out a grizzly bear. Like how would they fare? Grizzly bear wins. Yeah, right. Oh, it's huge. Our polar bear would win. Yeah, polar bear is top.

Yeah, polar bear's got an extra footer to keep there. A hippo kills all of them. Yeah, hippos. Yeah, right. It's huge. Our polar bear would win. Yeah. Polar bears top. Yeah. Yeah. Polar bears got an extra footer to hit. Oh, kills all of them. Yeah. Well, yeah. Kippos. Yeah. The only one that could ride out rhinos up there too. The only one that could build all of them is an elephant. You've ever seen videos of elephants going up against like right like rhinos. Yeah. An elephant is so big and strong. It's insane. Like a rhino like right. And it just kicks it over. Yeah. nothing. It's like a building just smashing you. Anyway, I mentioned grass fed meat. I know I've talked about this many, many times, but the tri-tip from butcher box is the staple for sure.

Staple, staple, staple. It's the easiest to cook. It tastes good. What are my favorite? I just got to mention that because people will send me messages and say, what should I put in my box? And I'm like, dude, if you want a good cut of meat, that's easy to cook. You sear it, throw it in the oven, taste good. It's got nice, you know, some fat in it.

Go with the try to. Well, you know, it was a surprising one that we ordered. It was like something I normally order from Starbucks. I don't have like my, I'll have my nitro and then I get my sous vide eggs. And so we got the egg bites. I just got them. I haven't tried them yet, we just got them. They have the sous vide eggs.

They have the sous vide eggs. They're in my freezer right now. They're great. I knew you were going that direction. Yeah, it was totally like surprise because I was like, how are they gonna like, I don't know, because you know, you get them like frozen and then how's that

gonna translate you in? And they're great, they're't know, because you know, you get them like frozen and then how is that gonna translate you want? And they're great, they're good. Yeah. We're still crushing their time. I was just saying, okay, it's good option. I eat gluten free nuggets as a meal now sometimes. I feel like a child. He did really good, I know.

They are still good. I'll have like 15 of them. You remember when I first told you guys about that? I mean, bro, they cut, they got a lot of good stuff that I didn't, I was, I don't get on there enough and actually dig through all those toys. I don't, I don't do that enough. And I've been cheating on butcher box lately with my butcher lately. So I got to get back to diving in my butcher box. You're not syrup. A polyamorous butcher.

Yeah. I'm not a person. I've been getting the polyamorous meat eater. Yeah, I do. I had to, I told Doug that I've been getting so crazy with the wagyu or the A5 stuff that it's like, I actually went to the butcher and asked for a lesser cut. I'm like, it's too, I was eating so much of it's rich. And so even as much as we all love that,

that's so much fun. You guys are getting gout. Yeah, I was starting to get the man to cook it a lot. And I'm like, you know what, like I actually was craving a lower grade steak because I was like, dude, it's so rich that you can only do it so often.

I feel like and it's like overdoing it. Good stuff. All right, do we have any shout outs for today? Anybody have a shout out that I want to throw out there? How about the Monterey Zoo? That's a shout out. All right. No, yeah.

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Go to seed.com-finepump. Use the code Mind Pumping Get 30% off your first month's order of seeds daily symbiotic. All right, back to the show. First question is from Caroline Norris L. If I don't care how long it takes for me to reach my weight loss goals, that's down 15 pounds of fat. The question is from Caroline Norris L. If I don't care how long it takes for me to reach my weight loss goals, that's down 15 pounds of fat, how long should my cut or reverse diet cycles be? So this is a very individual type question. You want to base your reverse diet and cuts

off of how you feel and how you're performing. Okay, so to be more specific, if your calorie start to get really low and you still have fat to lose, then you probably wanna start a reverse diet and start focusing on building. You wanna get that metabolism to speed up because at some point you'll end up too low to where it's not sustainable. So typically, and this can be different

from person to person, but typically you're looking at a three to one ratio of time spent in a cut versus time spent in a reverse diet. Okay, typically, now for some people it's different, but generally speaking it would be like, you're doing a month, so three weeks cut, one week maintenance, reverse diet, three weeks cut, one week, reverse diet, you know, week reverse diet, you know type of deal generally Speaking is what you're looking at and how long will it take you to reach that 15 pounds of fat loss?

Again, it depends on the person everything's crushing and you're doing a great job. It's healthy. You got good muscle I mean, you could lose 15 pounds in like a I don't know eight week You know, just pure body fat about eight weeks. That would be really, you're just blazing. Most people, though, would take probably, probably another four to six weeks on top of that. I like that as general advice. Obviously, it's general, right? Because we have, everything is going to be based off of the individual. But I think that's pretty good advice to do this, you know, three week on one week off

type of concept, as long as you can or want. The other kind of generic piece of advice I give to somebody in this position is my goal always as a trainer was to get your calories to a place where it was actually hard for you to eat that much. I think that's such a good place to be, right? Like, if you've done a really good job of reverse dieting and building muscle and reverse dieting and building muscle and reverse dieting and building muscle and and speeding that metabolism up You eventually get to a point where it's a bit of a burden to eat that much food to keep up with your roaring metabolism

And it's a place that I think as a trainer you always wanted to get your client to right? They're like oh my and it's a great to have a client who's trying to lose body fat tell you man How does this so hard to eat all that food you're having me eat. And they go, oh, great, this is perfect. Now, let's cut back a little bit on these calories. And that way, when I cut back on the calories, they're in this sustainable place when they get,

because it's already one challenge to lose the 15 pounds of fat. But the even more difficult challenge is to keep it off. People lose 15 pounds all the time. Most people probably listen to this podcast of experience losing 15 or 20 pounds before, but the hard part is keeping it off and maintaining that by far. And one of the best strategies to doing that long term is making sure that where you're at calorie wise is sustainable. It's a place that you can go, I could eat here.

I could live in this 22 to 2500 calorie range and as long as I have the the physique and feel good, man, it's a great place. And so and you can only do that if you've slowly inched those calories up to a place that is towards like, wow, that's a lot of food for you and then coming back the other direction. Otherwise, if you just keep cutting and cutting and cutting from where you're currently at, you end up losing your 15 pounds, but you're eating 1200 calories a day. And that's just not sustainable. Yeah. Yeah. So to put it plainly, you want, you want to be in a position where your body naturally burns a lot of calories, because then it makes the fat loss sustainable period end of story. Next question is from Nikki Fricky. I know you mentioned eating whole foods, which is something I strive for, tell my clients

to aim for. However, it feels like this then causes categories of food to be eliminated, such as gluten, bread, pasta, flowers, dairy. What falls under the umbrella of whole natural foods according to you guys. Yeah, dairy is, is, I would, 100% consider it. Yeah, yeah, they consider it. A whole natural food. It does eliminate a large category of foods, it's heavily processed foods.

All right, what are whole natural foods? Foods with one ingredient. I mean, that would, that would be it. Does bread fall under whole natural foods? It's kind of in between, but I will say this, most people, not most. Most people with food intolerances, most people with digestive issues

and food intolerances or skin issues would do better avoiding gluten containing flowers. That's just my experience. So if that's you, then you probably, I haven't met a lot of people who can eat a whole food-based diet and include bread and feel okay. I just haven't met a lot of people like that. Most people, if they remove that, tend to do a lot of better, a lot better. Now, this is coming from someone who's, I mean, my family loves bread, we're Italian, I get the whole deal,

whatever, and pasta and all that stuff. I would say they're kind of in between, but you have to really assess whether or not it causes digestive issues for you or skin issues. There's the two categories I would look at. Yeah, I mean, similar. It's most clients have ever trained. There's not really any of them that have gone away from bread that didn't feel an immediate benefit from going away from those types of foods. So there's other options like in the carbohydrate,

lane and rice and potatoes and things like that, would, you know, a lot of times be a great supplement to that. But yeah, in terms of like, you know, limiting those, I think that, yeah, if you're trying to just keep it there to keep it, like you got to really assess whether or not that's like something that really is doing a lot of benefit for you anyway. I'd say I live like 80-20 and I'm always trying to be 90-10. What do you eat that's processed?

I'll have pasta and bread every now and then. Okay. Yeah, that's pretty much it, right? But very rare though. You're not like a boxed food or no. No, no, no, no. I mean, we eat, like I said, 80-20. I'd say I'm 80-80% and I'm 80-20 and I'm always striving

to be 90-10. Yeah. Like, I think that's kind of the... I know it and I used to be a big bread eater. So, and I noticed a big difference when I cut it out. It was just... Yeah. Yeah.

My skin and I would... And I also water retention and bloat. I used to get a lot of water retention and bloat from it. Like to going down, but when I really started to like unpack like how I felt afterwards, how I looked from it, like, the next 24 to 48 hours from having a big old togos or subway type of sandwich, how I felt the next day. And just being honest with myself,

if I replaced that same amount of carbohydrates and calories with something like white rice, or even a baked potato or sweet potato or a yam or quinoa, I mean, definitely there was a night and day difference of my digestion, how my skin, water to all that stuff. And so because of that experiment for myself years ago, I've forever now that it's like, okay, that's my staple. I don't do that, but there's not times where,

you know, someone's sort of making something and there's garlic bread and so I'll have a slice of garlic bread or what that. So I try and stick to about 80% of my stuff is whole foods. I would, by the way, bread is a big category of, there's a lot of different kinds of breads. So they're not all creative equal. You could get sprouted.

Sprouted. Yeah, sprouted. Sourdough is pretty good. Sourdough, I could use it. I could use it on sourdough. Dave's bread. Not the process stuff. So I know it's a big difference in that. Sourdough is pretty good. Sourdough, traditional sourdough. Dave's bread. Not the process stuff. So I know it's a big difference in that.

Sourdough is just a big difference. If I just make that choice of having sourdough, it makes it very low rate of low amount of gluten. And then the how sourdough is made, it's almost like it's broken down. It's fermented. Yeah. It's fermented bread essentially.

It's why it's sour. So sourdough, traditional sourdough bread, sprouted wheat, Ezekiel is a company that will make bread that's like this. Um, and then pastas, you know, it's hit or miss for some people. I always post three pasta and quinoa pasta. Yeah, I can do that no problem. I can, I'll have traditional pasta, I don't know, once a week, my mom's house, then I'll have to, but I notice,

you know what I get, I get, I'll get some of the blow, but I get energy crash. Oh, that's 30, 40 minutes later. That's your point. That's where I get from a big sandwich too. I didn't say that, but that's the other thing I noticed. Yeah, I've popped two hours later. I'm like wanting to fall asleep from it for sure. Yeah, it's tough to get fat.

I mean, if you have to avoid dairy, like I get it, like there's probably a good chunk of the population that can't handle dairy, and it gives them gut issues. But for people that can handle it, I mean, that's a pretty big category, not to consider in terms of anything from milk to butter and cheese and everything else. For me, obviously, you guys give me shit all the time,

but where else am I gonna get that? I mean guys give me shit all the time, but like it's, where else am I going to get that? I mean, I could get, you know, all of oil, I could get kind of creative and go in like the nut category, and all that stuff, but like for me, I get plenty of my good fats from from dairy. I just, I think that one of the things that I learned for myself, and I always try to coach and teach is clients, is the things that you just tend to abuse.

There, I went through a time in my life for every morning I had toast with my breakfast and or cereal, and then for lunch I had this massive huge bread sandwich, and that was like every day, and simply eliminating that and saying like, okay, I'm not that's not gonna be a choice anymore. 80% of the time made a massive difference. Doesn't mean that like every occasionally I don't have a sound one, try to enjoy those things.

But just by flipping that on a head, instead of it being like, you know, instead of it being in my diet, 80% of the time, it's now in my diet, 10 to 20% of time. And that makes a big difference. And so I think I've tried to teach my clients the same thing. It's like, let's look at these potentially gross offenders and let's try and evaluate how often they're in your diet and let's dramatically reduce it. Let's eliminate it first and see if you notice a difference of improvement.

If we notice a difference in improvement by eliminating that food, then let's make it a goal to keep it out for as much as you possibly can, shooting for that 90%. And if long you find yourself falling around 80% of the time, I think you're pretty successful, though. Next question is from Teresa 13. Can you mix creatine and with things ahead of time such as in your overnight oats? Yeah, you probably will stay stable within 24 hours, but there's a probably in there.

I, creating can start to break down and turn into, there's a there's a probably in there. I create team can start to break down and turn into there's certain byproducts that could be that the creating can turn into that make it not necessarily as good. Oh, this person is meaning like put it in there and leave it. Oh, yeah. No, I mean, okay, you know, and this has been when people would ask me this is like, how hard is it to take? Crating right there in there here, right? Before you. Yeah, or just throw it in your mouth and wash it on water. I mean, I imagine it's, I think I imagine it's somebody who has just found that that's easy and can you be in here.

And they just want to know that am I losing the gains from the market? You don't want to keep it in water for too long. I mean, you'd be, what you'd be far better off is it's overnight oats, is that in the morning when you go to eat your own eyes, you just throw the scoop in and then you'd be better off. But I think it's the only like things that are like acidic where it's really oats, is that in the morning when you go to eat your own eyes, you just throw the scoop in, then you'd be better off than that.

But I think it's only like things that are like acidic where it's really gonna break it. It's great to be able to. Even a water over time, it can start. I mean, if you read about creatin, it says it's they stable up to about 24 hours, which tells me that probably wouldn't, I would probably take it right, when I wanna take it,

not leave it in some. That being said, we've been preaching now for, I don't know, eight years on how great of a supplement creatinus for just health, not just muscle building, not just fat loss, not just bone density, but like health. I've talked in the past about like heart health, liver health, brain health, all better when people take creatine.

Did you guys know study just came out connecting creatine to a reduced risk of cancer? That's all out. Yeah. Crazy. Now, it makes perfect sense to me and I, and by the way, this was like a correlation. So it's not proving yet. Well, just from it being muscle-sparing in itself. It should.

Well, I believe you're going to see data that's going to show that it unequivocally reduces cancer risk because of the how it fuels the mitochondria. If you look at cancer, mitochondrial dysfunction is a, it's like a foundational part of cancer. In fact, this is the warberg effect. They discovered this long time ago where you take cancer cells, you don't feed them sugar or some of them die because of the way the mitochondria is functioning. Cratein helps have healthy mitochondria, it also helps with methylation of the body. Healthy mitochondria paired with also muscle-sparing to me, seems to be the category.

Those two things are huge. I think the older you get, the more important it is to take Cratein. So take it, but I wouldn't mix it in something and then leave it overnight. I would take it right when you want to take it. Next question is from Marina Lifts. Adam once said in a very old episode that he thinks marriage should be a lease, where each partner agrees to renew their contract every few years.

I was wondering if his thoughts have changed now that he is married. What's your thoughts, Doug? What do you think? My thoughts, I've never been married. Yeah. And I actually had a conversation last week about this What's your thoughts, Doug? What do you think? My thoughts? I've never been married. I actually had a conversation last week about this with this woman. I think marriage works for some people, but I also feel too

that a lot of times when people get married, they actually change the way they relate to the other person because now they feel like they have this binding contract from the state saying that now you're married, now you get half of everything, now I can do whatever I want and not have to put in the effort. So that's just my opinion. For the audience, that'd be popular. It hasn't been listening that long. I can't remember if I read this somewhere or how this came to be, but I just, half of this is tongue and cheek,

but then there's some truth, I think there's some truth to it too. That I thought it would be this great idea that you just like you renew a loan, renew insurance, or you renew anything that you had every five years that anybody who's been married, and then I said two or five years, and I remember how I think it was five, is what I said, every five years,

you have this like, hey, it's been five years, we need to agree to continue this, you know, this on, or part ways because we've realized how difficult it is, we don't like each other and we wanna go different directions, and just I thought, why do we not do that for a series of a commitment as marriages and almost anything else that you are that serious or committed to

in the real world, like you have these opt outs. I do still, still, still there. I mean, so for the audience that doesn't know, like Katrina and I legally are not married. I think of her as my wife. I call her my wife, which is why this person probably thinks this is because I, you know, I absolutely think that I've proposed to her.

She's the beneficiary in everything. She has my social, she has access and control of all of our money. She has my child. So, I mean, I'm as married as I feel I can be to that woman without bringing the government involved. I mean, that's the literally the difference maker for us. And I don't know. There's a part of me

that I kind of agree with Doug. There's this, and I've wondered sometimes, like we're at what, 13 years we've been together. You know, is there this subconscious like thought that oh, because we're not legally bound by the government, that we could break apart easier than the person that would be legally bound that way. And so does that keep each of us?

Well, you already have a kid with her, all that stuff, you're screwed anyway. Well, that's how I feel. Yeah, well, that's how I feel. Like I feel like there's not much difference for legally that she would or wouldn't get by us being married, right? So, but my point, I was talking to Doug

about this off air before you guys came in, and I think I agree to him that there's this, I don't know, there's this sense of because we're legally not that I'm always working to impress her and working to keep her. And like, so I kind of have that where I do think that there, I see a lot of relationships where people get very complacent when they getent. When they get that ring or they get that official contract and it's like, after shit's mine and we're good to go and then all of a sudden they fall out of shape or then all of a sudden they become this crazy dick or bitch

and they just have, like they change. They changed dramatically from the person who was totally. I don't think this would fix that though to be honest with you. So as being the most merry person in here, I've been married twice. I think my opinion is heavy. Listen, I don't think this would fix any of that. I think, first off, it is a very important serious thing. I think if you talk to people who have been married for a long time, they'll tell you they've went

through tough periods. Now, you think, well, how long is a tough period? You're like a week, a month? Years. Talk to people who've married for 50 years. I'm like, oh, there was that five-year period. What was really, five-year period. Where it was really, really hard.

So that's what you're signing up for. Now, if you stop trying, well, that's the problem. The problem isn't, I think this makes, you don't even want to say so much of your trying to do. This is create accountability for that sort of drive in your relationship to continuously improve and grow and evolve together and have that kind of dynamic relationship.

That's what a relationship should be. And you should already be kind of thinking in those terms of like, both of you have to like take that kind of assessment, it's like, what am I bringing to the table? And this has to be a constant conversation you have. And so I understand where you're coming from with this. However, I'm a bit more of a traditionalist. And if I'm invested in somebody,

like, I'm gonna bring that. It's all or nothing. I'm bringing that in. And if you're not gonna bring that, it's all or nothing. I'm bringing that in, and if you're not gonna match that you're the one that's lacking, but I know I'm confident I chose a partner that is growth minor like that, and is gonna put in the work, and it is work. It's not like it's something that just works itself out.

You really have to work out. 100% you're gonna choose to be with this person. You're saying we're gonna stay together for the rest of our lives and especially if you have children together, you're gonna go through a lot over 30, 40 years. Forget a year, two years, five years. 30, 40 years, you're gonna go through a lot of crazy stuff,

death, losing a job. You make some fucked up mistake, you go through depression, someone, you know, something happens. Like you're gonna go through a lot of shit. And so you have to, it's like, the only way in my opinion to succeed at it, and there's a lot of people that don't succeed at it. I mean, I didn't the first time,

is to be all in, in my opinion. It's like, how can you have one foot in one foot out? So how does that, how's that the counter argument though to the five year lease? Like why, why can you not have everything, both you said like a hundred percent agree with? Because I know that at the five year mark, you just, you have to have that conversation.

I'll tell you why, I know enough couples who've been married for, like divorce pretty rare in my family. A lot of people married a long time. I know a lot of them, if you hit them at the wrong moment, at the wrong time and you approach them, hey, do you want to continue this? They might not have made it. If you give them, yeah. If you hit them at the wrong moment, at the wrong time, and you approach them, hey, do you want to continue this? They might not have made it. If you give them, yeah, if you give them an hour. So, okay, so I feel like that's something that that's also, because 13 years Katrina and I haven't had perfect, right? We've had we've had moments of separation and potentially

going our separate ways. But what it's all with, and I don't know if this has anything to do with us being legally married or not, but what happens in those moments is that you still have to have that real conversation. Like, in the hard moment, in the hard moment when I'm like, I don't like you, or maybe we're not meant to be together, but also going like, have to evaluate that and go, but you know what, like, you are worth it. Like, as hard as it is right now, and as much as I'm frustrated right now, as much as I want to go in my separate ways, I do love you,

and there's no one else I want to be with, and so I want to make this world agree with you, but I don't think a lease contract is the way. The reason why I proposed that a long time ago, why I thought it was an issue? Because you're talking about a voluntary conversation. I think that's a healthy conversation. Yeah, but okay, so, and why I...

How do you get you a letter from the government? Why I position that is not for myself personally, per se, or even any of you guys, but because I think so many relationships fail to have that conversation. Yeah, that's the one. It brings a 10-minute move. I agree with you. And so what it does is it forces all these people who aren't actively, I mean, you guys

were all like to think that we're good dads, we're good husbands, we're good fault, we're all these good things, and we work at it, we all are growth-minded. And so this really, this idea was less about me personally or any of you in here and more for the general population. I think it would be a healthy exercise that people would be forced to have that conversation. I don't think forcing people through some government lease or contract or, hey, here's your letter from the government.

You guys wanna stay married? I don't think that's the way to do it. Well, yeah, we do it to get married. It's more of a, well, I also disagree with that. I think it should be a religious ceremony or a personal ceremony I don't understand why the government's involved any of it But I think it's a cultural thing. I think it's one your family. It's a religious thing and I do think that there should be We have and we're reversing in this way, but there's it's okay to have some societal pressure For people to not so easily divorced people are like oh no and we're reversing in this way, but it's okay to have some societal pressure

for people to not so easily divorced. People are like, oh no, we got to make it super easy for people. And I get the whole like terrible abusive relationship type of deal. But there should be a healthy amount of pressure that says, hey, you guys got kids together. Like, you guys should probably work a little harder at this. And yeah, it's fucking hard. So that was, and they need to value that. So, okay, so that was the argument that was a thing. And they need to value that a little. So, okay, so that was the argument that Doug and I were making, and that I said, there's a little bit of that healthy pressure

to stay on your toes because it's easier to potentially leave. That's how I felt. I feel like, and by the way, I'm completely, you guys. Yeah, well, I'm completely speculating. I don't even know if that's true. Like, you neither one of you guys would ever be the dad

that would get divorced, and then see your kids once a month. That you guys never do that. I'm never good. I already proof of that he's not that guy. That at all. Right. And so same with me. I mean, but there's a lot of guys out there

for the audience to know that. Like that's what I, back when Katrina I obviously have had all this conversations. I told her the nothing shows me or shows commitment more than me having a child with you. I said you could go off and run off on me, still have our wealth, go get with my best friend, and I still would take care of you and myself. Of course. That's how I feel. There's no bigger commitment.

Like you're my wife, you're the mother of my child, I'm forever attached to you. You're gonna be maxed that forever, even if you're not married to her. That's right. So, to me, that is the ultimate commitment in my eyes. I just don't think, and I wish I knew this better when I was younger, but I don't think

the type of effort, work, compromise, and sacrifice that's required to be with the same person for decades and decades through every challenge you guys are gonna go through. I don't think it's really talked about enough of that, like, hey, this is what it's gonna be like and sometimes, sometimes for a while, it's gonna be like and sometimes, sometimes for a while, it's gonna be really hard.

People go through a month of hard and they're like, I'm ready to bounce. Yeah. I'm telling you, man, I've talked to so much, when I used to train an older population, I used to love asking them about stuff like this. And they, I would say, like, did you have any tough times with your, oh yeah, so many to,

and then I remember one of them answered this question in this way and then I asked the rest of them And I couldn't believe it said oh wait when you say you had a tough time like what do you mean? Like what like how long was the tough time for like oh? That was like four years only shit for four years You went through a period where you guys were just at each other and just like yeah, that was like a four year period I mean you're married for 40 years or 50 years. It's a long time.

I mean, you go through stuff like that, you know? So, and I mean, if we understood that, we'd know like, okay, people are like, oh, it's equal 50, 50, no, it's not. Sometimes it's 90, 10. And it's gonna be like that for a little while until things start to work. Yeah, I mean, it requires both people.

I mean, I agree, I just, I just think that there's, the argument to be made on the, on the opposite side of like that there's a part of that that Causes me to work harder because of there's that potential of like oh, she could literally just bounce tomorrow And there's no we don't go through legal hoops The other thing too is a lot of people think this they think that like first of all if you have kids and you want to be involved So that's the criteria here. You have kids you want to be involved getting divorced is often harder than being married Takes a lot more planning, a lot more scheduling,

you gotta put up with more whatever, in the being divorced, trying to raise your kids with this person than you did. You've never heard anybody in my life say divorce is easy. Ever. Ever. Well, I think a lot of people do it, thinking this is, you know what,

I'm rather do this, and they realize, or they just check out, a lot of guys check out. Well, and that's the people, why I think I presented that information for. I, and that's the people why I think I presented that information for. I just think that for those people, I think it's be a healthy exercise for these motherfuckers to have that conversation or once a while.

I mean, I naturally have that with my wife all the time, but I think that not enough people have that open dialogue and conversation and I think it's such an important thing. I just can't imagine it being like a letter from like a government agency or a big tongue and cheek, right? Like I don't really think that it should be like that for all but there's something that alone with your reason.

So how about positioning it like this? Like I think it's very important, okay? And I'm going to say less than five. I'm going to say every year to two years that you have a trip or a weekend that you go with your wife or your spouse and it's literally a let's evaluate where our relationship is. I mean, continue to do that. We just did it this weekend. We do this.

We sit. No, that's great. a weekend that you go with your wife or your spouse and it's literally a let's evaluate where our relationship is. I mean, Katrina, I do that. We just did it this weekend. We do this. We sit. We're alone. No, that's great. And we're like, we have a check-in. How are you feeling about the relationship right now? That's great. Are you happy with me?

Get the test drive new vehicles. I'm just listening. Yeah. I'm going to pick you up. No, I just think doing that, I think that is a really important thing that not enough people do is have these blunt, straight comment, because that's what happened.

They get married and then they just go, okay, we're married. And then to like Doug's point, they just kind of let it all go. So they're living two separate lives. Yeah, they almost live two separate. Especially when kids get involved, and they also near,

you're just a dad or just a mom, you don't think about each other anymore. And it's like, we make sure that we do that, you know, to this day, where we regularly check in with each other and say, hey, are you happy with where we're at? Where we are as a couple, where you are as a dad.

It's interesting, because it does take a long time, like my parents, when I was a kid, like they would get an argument and they could be a blow out fights and stuff like that. And it's maybe gonna get a forever now, right? Now I see them argue or like they'll bicker and it's so hilarious.

It's like, my dad will make a comment, my mom will be like, whatever. And then it's over, they're over it. Why they'd be together for so long, they've accepted each other, whatever, certain things. And it's like no big deal. But I remember as a kid, that kind of stuff would set them off.

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