Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2158: The Dangers of Back Rounding When Deadlifting, What to Do When One Arm Is Weaker Than the Other, the Importance of Getting Below 90 Degrees When Squatting & More

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Starting point is 00:02:33 Those are all equally important. When you look at scientific studies on exercise or diet or supplements, put it in the right context. Is this something I would do where the test subjects like me, is this actually gonna move the needle? You have to ask those questions, and oftentimes here's what you're gonna find. It's a waste of time.

Starting point is 00:02:54 Time's scientific studies often are not things you need to pay attention to, so paint things in context, consider the whole thing. Yeah, the science people in the fitness space annoy me with this kind of stuff. The debate and argue like listening to captain obvious. Tell you how to do you think? Yeah, they argue over like the smallest things or they'll say something like oh this study shows that muscles loaded under stretch Build the most a pretty small hypertrophy and then they'll take that and basically means, this is how you should train all the time,

Starting point is 00:03:27 nothing else has value. Or they'll say something like this form of cardio, improve fat oxidation by 8%. And then the average person goes, but I hate that form of cardio, but it's more effective, so I guess I'm gonna do it. When 8% really is splitting hairs, and also you don't like it, so it's a waste of your time.

Starting point is 00:03:45 And it doesn't take an account the wide variety of experience that you get, like let's say as a trainer, when you work with lots of different people, a lot of people don't know this, but most studies are done on college aged males. They're not done on pregnant women, they're not done on people who are middle age,

Starting point is 00:04:00 they're not done on people who have maybe died in many, you know, tons of times before who are over trained or stressed Like they're not done on a lots of everyday average people. So you got to kind of take those studies and You know take them with a grain of salt. There's some value in them, but they're not all the value This isn't actually an interesting topic. I was thinking about this the other day. I've heard strength coaches on other podcasts and this the other day. I've heard strength coaches, another podcast and a lot like a Mike Boyle, for instance, was talking about this in terms of like ice and what came out with like ice

Starting point is 00:04:32 studies and athletes and all this kind of stuff. And it's like, you know, through decades of experience has done it a certain way and like would ice them in a certain way. And it's like, you know, if one study kind of undermines what he's been doing the whole time, but he's seen success and has the best track record ever in terms of like keeping athletes healthy and, you know, without injury for entire seasons, like, you know, like what are you really getting out of like a lot of these studies? And like, I think studies are valid in terms of like being able to see like certain instances of where it applies. There's this group of people,

Starting point is 00:05:07 and we tested for this very specific thing, and this was the outcome. That's something to consider in terms of data points, but in terms of that versus experience, I find that to be far less valued. Well, all the popular studies that are touted in the fitness space completely ignore the behavioral

Starting point is 00:05:25 psychology side, which when you've trained people like a mic boil for decades and thousands of people you've worked with, you start to realize quickly that the behavioral psychology side of fitness is far more important. And so the idea that you're focusing on all these nuanced things around nutrition and program design and underlating this and like it's like, okay, like that stuff, it's good to know that, right? So I think there's value for coaches and trainers to understand that information and be well versed in it.

Starting point is 00:05:58 Like I think that's important, but most of your time and energy should be focused on understanding behavioral psychology and then learning how to take all your studies and knowledge that you have to get the best behaviors out of your people. And just nobody talks about that. It's just never talked about that.

Starting point is 00:06:14 Now, and you know to touch on what you said about ice, I know exactly what we're talking about. So for years, coaches used ice for injuries or strains on athletes. Then studies come out showing, oh, ice reduces inflammation, that's true, but it also reduces the signaling that inflammation brings, which would tell the body to either build muscle

Starting point is 00:06:35 or to heal in a particular way and that kind of stuff. And so then people are like, oh, ice is worthless. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, and damage. And what ICE does, yes, it does reduce the, I don't know, muscle building signal, but it also reduces inflammation, allows the athlete to train more. And so this is how coaches have always used it. Hey, you wanna be able to continue training? Let's put some ice on that so you can move.

Starting point is 00:07:17 Now they get to practice the skill, they get to practice the plays, they get to go out and practice and experience what they're supposed to experience to continue to improve their skills versus, no, no, no, no, ice is bad. Just sit there, let it swell up. I read a study that said,

Starting point is 00:07:32 you know, that it's gonna help with the healing process and the muscle building process. It's like, no, no, no, in application, there are time, another one's static stretching. Static stretching, we used to always static stretch before, this is how we warmed up. Then there were studies that showed that static stretching actually weakens the muscle and could therefore increase the risk of injury.

Starting point is 00:07:52 This is all true. To threw it out the window. Right. Does this mean that static stretching doesn't have value or I'll get even more specific. Does static stretching have no value before you exert yourself? There is some value. Let's say you have somebody with a muscle that is overpowering.

Starting point is 00:08:09 That is so tight that it causes restricting movement. Or yes, poor recruitment patterns. I want to weaken that muscle temporarily to allow for better movement patterns. I used to statics stretch clients all the time, but it was specific, right? It was targeted before certain exercise. Give it a simple example.

Starting point is 00:08:24 A simple example. Intervention. giving you like a simple example. A proactive intervention. Totally. So a simple example would be someone's trying to squat. It's hard for them to get positioned with their hands. Everything feels tight. So I statics rest their chest. Let's get that thing to weaken up a little bit and to chill so we can grab the bar better and get you to pull your shoulder blades back and more, right? In that case, statics stretching is extremely valuable. Well, the case where you eliminated that and I remember seeing this, you still see this

Starting point is 00:08:47 today in the gym, is the, you know, the bro that throws three plates on the bench press. And you know, between sets, he's using the side of the thing to do a static stretch on his chest. Static stretch in the target, mainly so all the chicks can see how much weight he's about the bench press, you know, saying, good, long stretch in between sets, you know, and recover. But I mean, you are relaxing the muscle that you are about to call upon to explode and lift, you know, 315 pounds, not a good stretch. You want to get the helmet ready.

Starting point is 00:09:17 Right. That's how new wants to, there's things that you just gave a perfect example of where static stretching for the chest is very applicable. Yes. And then I just gave you an example of where you absolutely didn't want to do. So it's not like this static stretching is bad. It's like, well, no, based off the studies, there's applicant. But all that stuff, men, is so, so moot for the average client who needs to get

Starting point is 00:09:37 in shape and help. And even the point you brought up with the athlete, you about the ice, what you did was you brought up the behavioral stuff. Because like, okay, yeah, the ice is not going to help him potentially build muscle business. It's going to dampen or shut down the muscle-building signal by bringing down inflammation. But who gives a shit because the behavior is now that that athlete can do is he now can go practice again because the inflammation is down. The highest priority is like repeating the skills.

Starting point is 00:10:05 Yes. And that takes precedence over him building more muscle. And so, oh, listen, what would yield better athletic performance on the field or the court or whatever to improve an athlete's overall strength by 1% more or improve their skill by 1%. And you good coach will tell you the skill and the technique is going to yield better results, same percentage increase. OK, but it's actually more than that.

Starting point is 00:10:33 We would lower the muscle building signal by a percent or two, which is what the data shows, which is again, is splitting hairs, not a big deal. But we would improve their skill acquisition or application by more than 2%. You take an athlete who misses a week of practice and let's say theoretically miraculously we're able to maintain their fitness. Okay, because everybody's like, well, he can't play. So therefore, he can't practice. Therefore, they're going to get out of shape.

Starting point is 00:10:58 No, let's say we figured out a way to keep them in shape, but he still couldn't practice the skills and the techniques and plays with his team. Huge loss, huge loss. One week of that, you're not moving as instinctively. You're not able to produce the same results on the field. So, the coach's goal is how can I get this athlete to continue to practice and train, not let's maximize every little signal of building and healing that we can maximize. Like if you miss one practice,

Starting point is 00:11:29 you know, this Justin, you coach high school students. They miss a week of practice, it's a big deal. Oh yeah, that's a big deal. And so if you can get them to continue behind that point. That's right. So I'm glad you brought up the the icing because I was actually thinking about this the other day about, you know, right now there's a bunch of debating back and forth in the fitness base

Starting point is 00:11:48 of like the cold punch, right? Same thing. For the same reasons of what we're talking about right now. And so based off of what the research says, like if you were somebody who is, let's say, a pure body builder, all I care about is building muscle. I'm not cared, I'm not cared about, you know, on the field or anything like that or an athlete, and I'm going to do a second practice. All I care about is building muscle. I'm not cared, I'm not cared about getting on the field or anything like that or an athlete. And I'm gonna do a second practice. All I care about is building the most muscle

Starting point is 00:12:08 and I used to do these cold plunges after my workout because I felt amazing or whatever from doing them. But now I hear this research that says like that's gonna dampen my muscle building. So then I throw that out. But what about, and in all of us have experiences, you ever trained your legs real hard, and the rest of the day, or definitely the next day,

Starting point is 00:12:29 you were like, you barely wanna move, so you flop down on the couch, you stay there, you long really, versus when you feel like you did like a mobility session, say, and you feel looser, and you're less stiff, and you're less likely to just sit and do nothing. Like that's the behavioral part that like, that doesn't take that in equation.

Starting point is 00:12:48 So I would prompt this question to somebody who is a bodybuilder who is using the cold plunge and they loved it and now taking it out because they go, oh, well, that's gonna dampen my muscle building signal. Yeah, but what about all your behaviors for the next 48 hours, how they've changed? And would you agree or disagree that if you're a person after you get really

Starting point is 00:13:06 sore on legs and you don't do anything about it no mobility no cold plus no nothing and you just you just bear the soreness how sedentary are you compared to had you done like a cold plus and what is that effect yeah my my question you got to ask that my yeah my questions would be this did the cold plunge allow you to work out harder? Did it allow you to work out? That's it, more frequently. When you used it, did you feel better afterwards? Why are you asking that?

Starting point is 00:13:31 Well, because if you feel worse, it's harder to stick to your diet. You're not gonna feel as good. You're not gonna stretch as much. You're not gonna move as much. And again, maybe you'll have more cravings. This is what tends to happen. So it's not as simple as muscle protein synthesis signal

Starting point is 00:13:46 here versus here, this is 4% less, therefore it's not good. We're missing context, we're missing a lot of context. It's no different than what I always say as an example and someone would come to me and say, what's the best form of cardio, I would always ask them, what's the one you like? Because that's what matters the most.

Starting point is 00:14:03 What matters the most is you do it. Not whether or not running burns, 15% more calories and cycling or swimming is a little whatever. But it doesn't matter because if you don't do it, it means nothing. It's zero. And this is where people miss with the studies. And this is where that side of the fitness space

Starting point is 00:14:19 gets really annoying because they either argue with each other over these small little details, like somebody said, well, no, no, you know, creatine, you got to take a post workout, increases absorption by 2%. But the lady just said, look, I forget to take it all the time. Can I just take it first thing in the morning? You know, the answer should be yes. Yeah, take it first thing in the morning, totally fine. Rather than some dork getting on there. No, it's you're losing, you know, 3% absorption, whatever. It's like you're missing the whole thing. And so studies can be, and they can also, by the way, studies can also be super misleading.

Starting point is 00:14:52 And you also have to look at, now I know we're going to get into the weeds a little bit with this, but studies often support or point into the direction of what's considered the establishment. So what do I mean by that? Well, we're going to have a lot of studies that support the direction of what's considered the establishment. So what do I mean by that? Well, we're gonna have a lot of studies that support the use of, let's say, enzialitic drugs or antidepressant drugs. We have some studies that show very clearly that exercises superior, but when you get somebody

Starting point is 00:15:18 who's like super study focused and on that side, someone says it's a press, where they tend to go. Well, here, here's a study that shows that this antidepressant helps 15% of the people. Well, that's a tough says it's a press, where they tend to go. Well, here, here's the shows that this antidepressant helps 15% of the people. Well, that's a tough part of the reality is, what's the motivation behind even conducting the study? Because for the most part, it's,

Starting point is 00:15:34 you, I mean, pharmaceutical companies would have the most interest in that to spend that kind of money because it's gonna hopefully teeter in the direction that they can highlight certain drugs or things to solve problems. You know, versus like any of the regular studies that we have have just like seen if what you naturally can accomplish

Starting point is 00:15:56 will produce this type of result. There's not a lot of motivation to spend money in that. Listen, this is a fact. The theory and hypothesis that fat intake was the reason why people in Western societies were suffering from higher and higher rates of heart disease and heart attack. Okay. It was supported or driven by a study known as the seven country study. Dr. Ansel Key's got a grant from the government. And this is the one where he took out the ones that he did?

Starting point is 00:16:25 He took out the countries that didn't fit the narrative. Yeah, yeah. Then he brought the study forward. It was for Arizona. No, no, no, he showed that fat intake in particular, satiria fat intake, but fat intake in general was connected to heart disease. But he took out the countries that were,

Starting point is 00:16:39 did not fit this whatsoever. They had low heart rates, but consumed a lot of fat. He brought this forward. He took those out, brought to the government, governments like, oh, this is it, and then they funded it and this became this totally flawed hypothesis that drove public policy, probably made, definitely made people a lot more unhealthy and sicker. So you think, how is this possible? Well, okay, science is objective, but scientists are not.

Starting point is 00:17:01 So there's a lot of scientists out there, and maybe they're not money-motivated, although a lot of them are, maybe they're just fame or honor or prestige-motivated. Law scientists are prestige-motivated. How do I get this paper published? How do I get my peers to view me as this amazing researcher and scientist? So oftentimes this is what happens with studies. And by the way, studies that show no result never get talked about.

Starting point is 00:17:28 Yeah. It's the ones that always show crazy stuff. And by the way, the people over the last three years that were questioning all the stuff coming out around COVID are the people that understand this. That understand that. That way. I mean, I saw a stat the other day that for the 500 days or whatever during lot that we made a we made a billionaire every day Every day every day and over two trillion dollars of wealth was transferred

Starting point is 00:17:54 Yeah, from the poor and middle class to the the Uber rich and so it it bears you to ask the question like Okay, how are they twisting these studies to line somebody else's pockets? What are they leaving out that? And I mean, you just brought some up the other day, Justin, I heard you said you were reading the stat on what they are seeing as far as how many deaths were actually linked to just COVID.

Starting point is 00:18:18 I mean, it's like 1% of what's currently with the numbers trending out. It's not something that. Yeah, it's, and then all the stuff that came out later on from the CDC after the fact, after the billions of dollars and trillions of dollars of, you're having to sift through all that in terms of like comorbidities

Starting point is 00:18:35 and just all those factors of like the treatment that they're actually receiving in hospitals. You know, if you wanna like really peer into all that, there's a whole lot that you have to sift through it, even see, you know, where that failure occurred, where death happened. I know the point of me bringing this up, okay, not to bring up some stuff that I know Doug is not always right. So, but it's it's you, if you're going to, you know, you know, stake your claim on a study, you best do all of your homework at understand who's funding it, who's benefiting from it. Like, you have to supply to me.

Starting point is 00:19:10 Yes, yes. What are the potential other effects that nobody's looking at? For example, okay, locking everybody down may reduce according to, you know, when they do their projections, okay. By the way, this didn't work out. But let's just say that they did work out.

Starting point is 00:19:25 It's projected to reduce infections by 5%. That's not the full story. What are the potential side effects of lockdowns? Are more people gonna die from suicide, obesity, not getting cancer treated because they can't go to the doctor because everybody's locked down, depression, anxiety. What about loss of productivity, loss of innovation?

Starting point is 00:19:43 We have to look at the big picture to figure this out. Look, if I took a hundred people with cancer and then I killed them all, I could put in my study zero people died of cancer because I killed them, right? That's what the study would say. According to this new treatment I did where I actually murdered people, zero died from cancer. I could literally say that at the title of the study. So obviously that's silly and ridiculous and extreme, but that's the point that I'm trying to make when it comes to health and fitness, it's no different. It's no different.

Starting point is 00:20:11 Here's another one. I'll give you a great one. Red meat tied to all these different terrible things. You know what they don't do in studies? When it comes to meat? They don't take out processed meat. It's all meat, salami, baloney, hot dogs, all the weird, crappy, where's that come from meat, gets thrown into.

Starting point is 00:20:29 And by the way, when you eat a hot dog, you're also probably eating the bun chips. You're also probably eating chips, sodas. And the rest of your diet probably looks similar to what you're eating. So people eat hot dogs every day, probably eat a lot of other stuff, everything. But they don't, they don't parse that out.

Starting point is 00:20:45 They don't tease it at all. They don't tease that out. They just say, red meat. Well, thankfully we have other studies that do control for the standard stuff. In fact, the World Health Organization, not necessarily the organization I was trust, which is surprising.

Starting point is 00:20:56 They came out with the study said that red meat, if we cut out red meat, lots of people, lots of countries would suffer from terrible, nutrient deficiencies. And I'll make this argument right now. If we continue to demonize, and I'm gonna stay on the subject because this leads to another topic I wanna bring up,

Starting point is 00:21:13 if we continue to demonize red meat, we are going to have worse health. Fath, fat, everybody, slow down with the demonizing of red meat. It's one of the few whole natural foods that people still sometimes consume and it's also super nutrient dense. If you wanna see people get sicker,

Starting point is 00:21:32 what you do is you demonize up a food where they get a lot of their nutrients and where they're not eating something that's processed because here's what the average person will do. Oh my God, red meat is bad. What are they replace it with? Oh, so much worse. Everything else is so much worse.

Starting point is 00:21:46 So let's stop doing this and let's be smart about this. This is one of my favorite attributes about the nutritional coaching institute, NCI, that we work with is that they do such a good job of parsing out all the studies and then teaching coaches and trainers how to apply the science. To your clients based off of behavioral

Starting point is 00:22:05 stuff. You know, the information that's relevant, like let's use that. Speaking of, you know that they have another summit coming up. We have an, is it October, Doug? When is it? Yeah, October 17th through the 21st. Oh, cool. Do you know, did we have, we committed to go into that yet?

Starting point is 00:22:20 Do you know? Does anyone know if we're going or not? We've gone to the last few. Uh, where are we? Yeah, imagine one of us will be there. Where's it located at? Good question. Last time it was in Phoenix, right? Yeah, they're usually in Arizona. Let's find out. But these are great, man. I mean, you're all coaches, great speakers. Then they have where you, there's, you know, side events where you can learn more stuff. And what's cool is, because I've gone to last,

Starting point is 00:22:46 is it three or four that I run three? At least three. I saw coaches that I, at the first one, that were all brand new. And then I saw them on the third one, and they're all like super successful. Like there's this one guy that I met at the first one who he had some huge life changes, sold his car car so that he could, so that he could get

Starting point is 00:23:07 coaching for MNCI to build his business, which is scary. That was the first time I made a commitment. That was the first time I met him. So I'm like, oh crap, like a hope it works out for you. Anyway, by the third, by two years later, very successful built his business that totally worked out. So it's great to see you. I love stories like that, dude. Yeah. I mean, no choice but to succeed in a situation. Isn't that great? Yeah, no, that's awesome. Speaking back, going back to Red Meat, I do want to mention one of our sponsors, Butcherbox.

Starting point is 00:23:31 There is a very big difference between processed meat and whole meat, huge difference. And then when you go whole meat, if you want to take it a step further, grass fed does provide some better nutrient profiles. This is more valuable, the more meat that you eat. If you're like me, I eat probably a pound a day of red meat. This is why I choose grass fed because I eat so much, it makes a difference to make sure

Starting point is 00:23:53 that it has the best nutrient profile. Well, they've also helped a lot with that sort of thought that it's too expensive to get high quality meats. That was always like an objection. Oh, yeah. You know, as a trainer for things. And because there's a lot of like specialty meat places now that like get like imported meats and all these kinds of things are grass fit.

Starting point is 00:24:12 But, you know, now this is like so easy and accessible and delivers right to you. It's like, it's nice that, you know, that's their entire business model. It's like, you know, here we're gonna get the highest quality and we're gonna ship it right to your door. You know what I still haven't had? That I ordered and I have them in my freezer. I just keep forgetting that I've got them is the egg bites.

Starting point is 00:24:31 Have you tried the egg bites yet? Oh, you have tried them. Yeah, because I I used to order those a lot when I get my Nitro and go to Starbucks. Yeah. And it's like, this is, yeah, and I, and they're very similar, but I feel like it's better quality, you know, because it's like, it's not for sure. Who knows, you know, Starbucks similar, but I feel like it's better quality, because it's like it's not, oh for sure. Who knows, you know, Star Bucks wise.

Starting point is 00:24:48 Like, yeah, did you know that? They're bigger. They're bigger. But the quality, they're bigger. And they got like more bacon kind of chunks in it. It's good, dude. Wow. Yeah, dude, I gotta tell you guys something hilarious

Starting point is 00:24:59 that happened yesterday. Let me, before you do that, just that events in Orlando. Oh, wow. Yeah, just so people know. I thought I asked that. Orlando. That that events in Orlando. Oh, wow. Yeah, just so people know. I thought I asked that. Oh, Orlando. That's further than Phoenix.

Starting point is 00:25:09 Yeah, yeah. Orlando. That's interesting. Did you go to the landing page on it? Does it say like, does he already have who the speakers are? Yeah, so as a couple of times, man, he's, he's, I mean, there's roster. He's got Lane Norton, I think.

Starting point is 00:25:21 Yeah, Lane this time. The people he has speaking, I mean, I don't know what the total ticket prices on it. I don't know if it's up there or not, Doug. But I know like one of those speakers is like 10 to $25,000 just to have them, and he has like a whole roster of people like that that are incredible. Yeah, general mission is $297.

Starting point is 00:25:38 Plus, I believe there's a discount. Let me double check on that. Get 20% off when you use our code. Oh, well, there you go. Excellent. All right I got to tell you guys what happening. I showed it was hilarious So my two and a half year old is in the other in the playroom, which is kind of next to the kitchen and We're we're doing stuff in the kitchen and Jessica starts to walk over there and then we hear what we think Is it really a saying fucking?

Starting point is 00:26:05 He was doing something I think you already figured this out. He says truck that fire truck No, no, we here he's doing something and he's struggling with something and he goes fucking and So Jessica goes What did you say and he's like nothing? She's like what did you say? What did you say? And he says, fucking. And so we're both trying not to like act shocked or whatever, because obviously if a kid knows he gets a reaction, he's gonna say it all the time. So then she follows it up and she's like, where did you hear that word from?

Starting point is 00:26:33 Who said that? And I already knew the answer, but I'm like, go ahead and let him say it. Mama. He's sold her out. He sold her out. Because she had, hey, she talks like a sailor. He's gonna, yes.

Starting point is 00:26:42 So, and I've always, I told her, I'm like, they're gonna start copying. Well, now it's happening. Well anyway, anytime he's struggling, that's what he says. He must have said it 10 times yesterday. She gets stuck, trying to take it off, fucking, trying to open door, fucking, and each time we're trying not to laugh or react,

Starting point is 00:26:57 but I think he knows now, so now we're screwed. So we just went, this funny ring this up. Did you see it, dude, half year old, say the F1 though? Yeah, it's hilarious. We're going through this right now too. So funny, you brought this funny. You're bringing this up. Do you see a two and a half year old, say the F4 though? Yeah, it's hilarious. We're going through this right now too. So funny, you brought this up. But here's what happened with us, which is, I think, is kind of how it all unfolded.

Starting point is 00:27:12 It was really hilarious. He's saying stupid. And Katrina and I are like, we don't want them to say that, right? I don't want them to say stupid, especially if the context and other kids. So her and I are like, hey, where did you learn that? And so both her and I, and my poor best friend's kid is a little bit older, like a year older, and they were playing video games one time, and I heard him say it in there, and I'm like,

Starting point is 00:27:36 I picked that up from Hunter, you know, saying like all irritated that he picked that up from his. And so, but then after he had said it, then, and we had corrected him and said, no, we don't say that, we don't say that. Katrina and I literally like the next 48 hours got caught saying it and him correcting us. Oh, yeah. Don't say that, Dan.

Starting point is 00:27:55 Yeah, her and I have both realized, like, oh shit, I guess we say that. I guess I, it don't get, like, oh, that's stupid. Like I do little things, it didn't register with me. It's not really like a swear word, but I don't want my son saying that and now he's saying it. I used to say it when he's playing video games. I haven't come hang out with the realist.

Starting point is 00:28:11 I'll teach you that. He's the real one. Yeah. Oh stupid. Let me show you the word. It's wild how it's a parent's real word. I didn't, you know, I definitely don't think we say it a lot. It does not take a lot.

Starting point is 00:28:24 It's like it's almost like when it's novel, and it registers, like, it's like, they're like, well, so what is that? That's new. Yeah, or they'll just say it and that no until they see the reaction, and then it becomes it. So then, so then yesterday, because we heard it a bunch of times and we're like, oh my god, we're laughing also, because it's also funny, but also like crap, what are we gonna do? And then Jessica said something else, and she goes, what the f? what the f what the f I'm like honey that's almost as bad you want to hear two and a half year old walk around say what the f we can't do that that's that's one of it's it's the one thing that she does that that I'm like everything else is great but that's the I thought we were I thought we

Starting point is 00:29:00 were really good but it's it because we don't swear in front of them but this the stupid thing I didn't realize that Katrina and I, like, we're trying to correct that right now. I was like, oh, damn, I didn't realize that call things stupid all the time. I remember when I was little, when we were young, we were probably like nine and maybe 10, 9, 10. I don't know where my cousin were the same age. I don't know where he heard the word dildo.

Starting point is 00:29:23 He heard it somewhere. And I remember we were at his heard the word dildo. He heard it somewhere. And I remember we were at his house and we were hanging out and he was just saying the word dildo and singing and his parents were like, what are you saying? And they were like, where'd you hear that from? And he's like, school I think? But then after that it was like.

Starting point is 00:29:36 What is 90? So I was third grade. And usually it's like third, fourth when shit's started. Third grade, I got in school suspension for this. So we were, it was before school started my mommy to drop me off like a half hour, hour before school started. And I was, we were playing a wiffle ball in the courtyard.

Starting point is 00:29:57 And where we are playing was right by the principal's office and the principal had their window open. And I, as at that age, where I had just learned like all the cuss words. And you didn't even use them right. You're like, oh fuck shit damn fuck. You know, it's just over nothing, right? Missed the ball and then we would say like seven different cuss words. And the vice principal comes out and she comes storming over me, grabs me by my elbow and pulls me into the office.

Starting point is 00:30:25 I have no idea what's going on, and sits me down, and then literally, you stay here, call my mom, my mom came down on the, and the big old deal, and they were asking me, the principal, vice principal, me, my mom, and then my mom, you were in the back. Yeah, they were like saying, he was saying this, and he was saying, that, and dead, and dead,

Starting point is 00:30:43 and going off of that, my mom was just sitting there, and then she looked over she's like, Where did you learn all that you mom? Just like the most awkward moment for her. Yeah, that moment is something I remember as a kid. It haven't thought about it very much until now being a doll like, Oh my God, that happened to me. I'd be so embarrassed because it's like, you can't get mad at the kid at that point.

Starting point is 00:31:02 If their kids are mirrors, dude. Yeah, they're total. I mean, cussing to me personally, it's not that big of't get mad at the kid at that point. If their kids are mirrors, dude. Yeah. They're total, I mean, cussing to me personally, it's not that big of a deal. It's really how other people, it's really yes. Feel and react about it. And, you know,

Starting point is 00:31:13 it's like their teachers or the old lady or whoever, or the round of the kids or other parents. Yeah, other kids, you don't influence. Yeah, I remember for me, it was like, I got in big trouble because I was out on the lake with my grandpa and like, I learned out on the lake with my grandpa. And like I learned all the bad words from my grandpa. And so he was like, he caught a catfish.

Starting point is 00:31:30 He hated catfish because they're like bottom feeders or whatever and he just had this thing. I don't know if it's because he grew up in Louisiana or whatever, but there was this whole like hatred of catfish. So he caught one and he's like, oh, it's goddamn catfish. And he just hit it against the butt, killed it through it back in. Wow.

Starting point is 00:31:49 Yeah, he was aggressive. And so we got back to the campsite. And I'm like riding bikes with my brother and everything. And then my bikes handles got all loose and wiggling. And we're like out there in front of like my whole family. And I'm just like, oh, these goddamn goddamn handles and like it's just start yelling out and then you know, and then they go, oh, where did you hear this?

Starting point is 00:32:11 And my mom like went and took my toothbrush and got soap and like started like washing my mouth out with soap. And oh dude, it was, the methods were so... Bro, it was so old school, you guys have no idea. Like I had to eat like a bar of soap Like because I would like what was that movie? I just that's the fucked up. That's the Christmas story Christmas story. Yeah Yeah, that's where he's like fat his mom's making me soap. I'm assuming that's where like everybody got it

Starting point is 00:32:36 What no no clean your mouth out. It's an old and soap tastes terrible and it's an old Did you guys have to do that? I'd never had to do that. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. He ate it. I don't know. And then even like the liquid kind of thing. I think my parents put on my toothbrush. Then you would give me the bar. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:32:53 I think my parents used to use this fast-co-sauce one time to us. I think we got that. I think I got for swearing at the fast-co-sauce. Really? Wow, it threw some pain in there with that. Wow, that's alert. No, I mean, the methods are crazy because what you don't want to do is show how much power

Starting point is 00:33:09 it has. That's my opinion. Like how much power this word has. Totally. Because here's what happened to you as a kid. You never said it in front of your parents, but you said it way more when they went around. Yeah, I think that's the move is to address it, but not make it like that's how we did the thing.

Starting point is 00:33:23 Well, we don't say that. Well, it's not a nice, we told him it was in in a nice it's a hypocrisy and immediately oh you know it's like people that like like screen how they they talk to you and then you see them outside of that I'm like this is such bullshit 1873 school mistress in uh Mahasca Iowa was noted to have punished a boy in her class for indulging in chewing tobacco by washing his mouth out with soap. Boy, kids were tough back then. Little kid chewing tobacco. He's got a chock.

Starting point is 00:33:50 I'd be abreast with a third grader in your Barbie. I was at high school the first time I tried chew and I threw up. Everybody did. Every time. You know what I've done? 15 times and threw up every time.

Starting point is 00:34:01 Every time. So this is how I tried it. I had just turned 18. And when you're 18, there's a few things you can do that are doing. You went and bought a playboy, but grabbed some tobacco. That's it, that's it, right?

Starting point is 00:34:14 So I went and I got to the gas station. I'm like, oh, I'm gonna try much. I'm gonna try chewing tobacco. And I put it in my lip, because that's what I saw people do. And I was describing my car. And I'm just sitting there chewing on it. I'm supposed to spit it out. So I spit it in my lip because that's what you know, I saw people do and I was describing my car And I'm just sitting there chewing on it, you know, I'm supposed to spit it out So I spit in the cup and I was so I'm like whoa. Yeah, what's wrong? I don't know if it was a swallow it. Oh, bro. It was the most disgusting

Starting point is 00:34:36 It prevented me from ever wanting to try it again until much much later I literally had to pull over and barf. Yeah, out the window like I turn like white as a ghost and even more so. Yeah, so if your kid is trying chewing tobacco, let him. Yeah. You'll figure it out. You'll figure it out real quick on what the issue is. I'm surprised you guys made fun of me earlier. I had that earpiece in the whole time.

Starting point is 00:35:00 And then I was like, oh no, like I was getting, you know, I could have been getting weird. Weird.'t even notice. Like I was getting, you know, I could have been getting weird. Weird, weird. Like, walk back like like Mitch McConnell or something. Like, yeah. Hey, someone's telling me what to say. I froze. Justin, that's great feet.

Starting point is 00:35:12 That's great info. Bro, he froze again. Yeah. Yeah. Mitch was again. He believed that, what, I mean, poor guy, what's happening with this thing? You know what sucks about that?

Starting point is 00:35:20 Yeah, a stroke, right? Isn't that what happened? Is that what it is? Maybe we could find out, but he did again. Well, he originally had a stroke and then I, is that what they said? Yeah, I think so. I don't know. it is. Maybe we could find out, but he did again. Well, he originally had a stroke and then I, is that what they said? Yeah, I think so. I don't know. Maybe I'll find out.

Starting point is 00:35:27 You know what sucks, dude? This is how shitty the internet is. Old guy, right? He's standing up there talking, he freezes, which is scary to see if it's somebody care about it or whatever, but obviously nobody cares about him except for whoever. The next day, so many memes.

Starting point is 00:35:40 Oh yeah. Dude. So many memes were coming out. Like when my wife asked me, you know, what's on the grocery list and it's a picture of him, or whatever, like memes that are making fun of him freezing. Yeah, terrible. Terrible.

Starting point is 00:35:53 Yeah, well, she find out what happened to him. Dude, like how old are these people? It's like everybody that's running our country is like 90 years old. It's like, man. Lizards don't die. What? Seriously.

Starting point is 00:36:03 You know, that's a, we're at a time, you know, this is the first time in history where the life expectancy has gone down. Our whole entire evolution of being around, we have continually increased that, increased that. This is the first time that we're ever on the opposite direction. Did you know that?

Starting point is 00:36:20 What was that again, opposite? Then our average life expectancy. Oh, life expectancy. We're living longer, but we're not always going to be kids. No, we're not living longer. Oh, we're the first time ever we're starting to go back. Oh, I see. For the first, yeah, forever, it's always been on a slow line.

Starting point is 00:36:33 So here's what happened. Here's what happened with life expectancy in the 20th century, and then now 21st century. At first, nutrient deficiencies were a big problem. So lots of people died because of malnutrition, but then we solved that and we saw, not just life expectancy and explode, but we saw height explode.

Starting point is 00:36:53 The average person became so much taller because nutrient deficiencies were filled. Then life saving medical procedures got created and that extended life. But then what happened was the Western medicine really just figured out how to keep people alive longer, but not necessarily alive better. So it's not that our health got better.

Starting point is 00:37:16 It's that we figured out ways to patch the holes in the ship and now that time has come. We can't keep doing that anymore. Now we have to actually become healthier. Not just, oh, this stroke happened, we'll save your life. Oh, you've got some hard issues, we'll save that. Now it's like, so funny you bring that up. I just read a study.

Starting point is 00:37:37 You're the side effects of interventions, or a lot of times a lot worse. Look at this study that I just found that I read, which is just so telling, okay? So this was a study on people who are hospitalized with bipolar depression, just depression. So consider this state, someone has to be in to be hospitalized with depression. It's really bad, like you're dark, not good, put in an institution or hospital. People who are, they did this with a study, they took some of these people who were hospitalized with bipolar depression and all they did was put them next to a window that was facing east.

Starting point is 00:38:10 In other words, the sun rises, they get some sunlight. Okay, that's all. It's the only difference they had. They stayed in the hospital four days less on average. Four, over half a week less in the hospital, only because they got to see some sunlight when the sun rose, just from that simple intervention. Imagine if it was a drug.

Starting point is 00:38:31 Imagine if a drug showed that we could keep people out of hospital for four days less who are so depressed in a hospital. Imagine the publicity that we get. You know what's interesting about that too? At Courtney, he always used to tell me about that, like how much more effective it was when she was allowed to take her patients out into this outside area and get sun and get

Starting point is 00:38:52 fresh air versus, you know, the kids that weren't allowed to ever go outside the room, like how much quicker they would heal. It was substantial. You know what touches on all this right now. Did you guys see the new series on Netflix that did drop for the Blue Zones? Oh no, I did. That's really good.

Starting point is 00:39:08 I've only watched the first episode and a half. I think is what we got to last night. It's literally the stuff that we've been talking about on the show forever. And they do a really good job of like going, and I'm only on the second Blue Zone that you're going to, but he's basically, you went to all these blue zones travel all these blue zones

Starting point is 00:39:25 and is putting together all the thing. And it's done well because we are aware of what we thought they all were before and what he's attributing into is a lot of the things that we're talking about right now. It's just like relationships with people, the sun, getting outdoor and community, like it's just crazy. And none of it's like, it's like, it's like, oh, training hard or it's like,

Starting point is 00:39:47 it's, think about how expensive would it be, not at all, right? How expensive would it be to take people who are hospitalized for depression, put them and make sure that they're facing, that they get some sunlight when the sun comes up, yeah, right? Cost nothing.

Starting point is 00:40:00 But again, pharmacism, making money, hospital, hospital's lose money. Hospital's lose money, Hospitals lose money. Because they get out earlier. So all of the incentives are to, for this simple intervention. It's the structure of it. It's so crazy.

Starting point is 00:40:14 It's an private businesses, you know, at the end of the day. It's so crazy. Here's another one. Here's another one that I was reading. It really dawned on me how crazy this is. You know, antidepressants are strongly correlated with weight gain, everybody knows this. Like, you know, one of the side effects

Starting point is 00:40:27 of an antidepressant is you can gain a lot of weight, can affect your appetite, make you eat a lot more. And people know this, this is one of the things that they'll tell you if they put you on an antidepressant. Do you know it's strongly correlated with depression? Weight gain. So you go in, you go on an antidepressant, you gain weight, weight gain itself, the behaviors that cause weight gain. So you go in, you go in an antidepressant, you gain weight, weight gain itself, the

Starting point is 00:40:46 behaviors that cause weight gain and even the weight itself caused depression. This kind of seems like, uh, we need to talk about this a little bit more. Isn't it crazy? Yeah. It's like, here's the thing that can help you, but it causes something that actually makes how you feel worse. But let's not discuss this. Let's just, uh, let's just keep moving forward. Maybe add something else to the mix. Another pill or whatever. This was kind of a funny thought, I guess. I don't know if I should share it.

Starting point is 00:41:10 Well, I'll share. So we were talking about like Jolene Brighton, and we were talking about the whole getting off the pill thing. And Courtney's been on the pill for a long time years. And it's like, hasn't had natural period and all this. So the highs and the lows are very neutral in terms of feeling and I was thinking, I'm like literally it's an antidepressant for vagina.

Starting point is 00:41:36 Right? That's a totally different way to look at it. What? If you think about it. My vagina. Yeah. Yeah, I just keeps kind of like, you know, I'm like, yeah. Cause anyway, we're starting to think of like ways of getting off of it and like going through that process.

Starting point is 00:41:54 I just thought it was a fun song. How long has it been on? Oh my God, like, I want to say probably, the least 15 years or so. Yeah, so it's, you know, we're using right now until I go get a vasectomy, which I'm still dragging my heels, but. Yeah, let me know, because I need to sign up. Well, we're doing so, I contacted Father Steve, and I said, hey, what are the non-medical,

Starting point is 00:42:15 what are the best birth controls that you guys advocate for? It's like abstinence, huh? He's like abstinence. No, that's obvious. That's obvious. That's obvious. That is what I'm pre-established. I mean, you call a priest about, like, hey, try not to get a woman pregnant, Huh? He's like abs than no, that's obvious. That's obvious. That is what a free, I mean,

Starting point is 00:42:26 you call a priest about like, hey, try not to get a woman pregnant. What should I do? Not have sex with a hand job? No, that's not what happened. He's showing the monk life. No, no, no, you, you, you, you test all the, for ovulation.

Starting point is 00:42:37 Yeah, just like you would have you're trying to get pregnant. There's really only, I mean, there's that. The piano, ovulation thing, it tells you if you're ovulating and if you are, then you don't, you don't have an of course that way. That's that. Yeah, it's very it's actually very effective. It's long-long as you do You know, yeah, I think that's I mean coming from anything that sucks is when a woman's ovulating That's what she wants to have sex the most it's like dammit. Yeah. Yeah

Starting point is 00:43:01 Miss opportunity. Do you guys you guys undo that do you know? Yeah, no, we What are we gonna do? This opportunity. Do you guys, you guys undo that, do you? No. No, we're, I mean, we're still, could get pregnant. I mean, that's how, that's the camp we're in right now. I was like, I mean, at one point, right, Katrina's gonna get to, and she's, she's getting closer to that age where she's like, okay, I don't want to have another kid this late. I'm, I, I used to be more staunch about it because I want, I didn't want the age gap

Starting point is 00:43:25 to be so big with Max. I'm at a place now where I love him so much that I would love to have a second kid. So I don't, I care less. The things that I cared about before, I was like, oh, I want one or two. If I have two, I want it to be like this. Now like the experience of having Max now was, was so incredible that I just want to, I would, I would, I'll take it a second time and I'll figure out those challenges

Starting point is 00:43:48 that I thought I would have. So we're trying, but not trying or not trying. You're not not trying. Yeah, like we're not checking ovulation and we're not trying to time stuff or anything like that, but then we're just like, if it happens, it happens. And then at one point, I'm sure she's gonna say to me, like, hey, I definitely don't want to risk getting pregnant.

Starting point is 00:44:06 Well, our last one made me gunshot because up until then, my pullout method was like 100%. It's like never, like was 100%. You're too braggadocious about it. And this last one was a wonderful surprise, obviously. I love my little baby. But now that makes this like timid. Oh, yeah, you know, don't get near me Maybe this isn't as effective as I thought. Yeah, or maybe I

Starting point is 00:44:30 I didn't realize that I didn't of course I should have assumed that Courtney was I didn't even know that that she's been on for that long Yeah, yeah, it's been a long time. It's really it's really tough for someone who's been on for that long I mean changes your hormone profile, right? So that's a massive. Did you guys meet wishy on it when you met? Uh No I mean, it changes your hormone profile, right? So that's a massive. Did you guys meet with she on it when you met? Uh, no. Pro. You know what might happen? She might like you more. Way more.

Starting point is 00:44:53 I was like, yeah. No, I'm serious. I'm like, yeah, it's not like I'm like a, a family dude or something. That's what I'm saying. I'm worried about it. No, no, no, no, that's not what I mean. When a woman goes on birth control, she tends to be more attracted to men who have less

Starting point is 00:45:10 obvious displays or signs of testosterone. When they're off birth control, and especially when they're ovulating, they tend to be more attracted to guys like you. Who is just oozing? He's just a big ooze. He's just a big oozing. Just so much manlyness coming over there. This is true, by the way. Oh, dude.

Starting point is 00:45:31 I always change subject here. You're well, let's drink it in. I was actually thinking about, and maybe this is a deeper topic we get into another time, but it was an interesting thought that I had about nutrition and changing diet. And what prompted it was, I was, this has happened a couple of weeks ago,

Starting point is 00:45:52 or like, panting and I know it tees you about how much you eat right now, but I also know what it's like to be there. Where your metabolism is roaring so much, you have so much lean mass, you're training so hard, and so consistently that you're probably eating 4,000 to 5,000 calories a day, and not gaining any body fat. And obviously, I am not training that way. I have probably 30 pounds less muscle than I had

Starting point is 00:46:15 during my peak competing time or whatever. And what I didn't realize till after the fact, and it's kind of like a duh, but it's still hard to pay attention to or really change because it's subconscious is your eating behaviors and patterns that you built around having that physique. So there's a way you eat right now that supports and is ideal for the physique that you've built.

Starting point is 00:46:41 But if your life changes and you decide, you know what, like I'm gonna be less of this buff dude, I'm gonna be more mobile, I'm gonna train less and whatever or something were to happen. You know, not only is it follow? Yeah, and it's tough because you have made these associations with certain places that you eat at or certain meals that you have of portion sizes. And it's like, you know, I catch that you eat at or certain meals that you have of portion sizes. And it's like, you know, I catch myself doing things a lot

Starting point is 00:47:09 where it's like, hey, that was the portion size that I ate when I was two, thirty, six percent by that and jacked in training seven days a week. But you remember how hard it was training ex athletes? Yeah. Ex athletes, the college athletes, and they're like, I remember I had one, she was a rower. The calorie amounts and she was a rower.

Starting point is 00:47:29 And rowers train a lot, a lot, a lot at high level in college. And I remember her, I'm like, what do you have for lunch? Like, well, I have some chicken and I have some rice. And I'm like, well, that's, you know, okay, that's pretty good. And I'd say, can you show me? And she was eating like, 10 ounce chicken, it's chicken or 12. And I'm like, oh my God, that's the whole rotisserie. I'm like, that's a lot.

Starting point is 00:47:47 She's like, it is. And I'm like, how did you eat? You're just like, well, I kind of like this, I guess when I was training. I'm like, yeah, this is a lot. I said, your portions have to change. But what happens is you're so, you get, you develop, this is where the whole set point, people are like,

Starting point is 00:47:59 oh, you have a weight set point. No, you have a behavior set point. That you develop, you have to change your behaviors to match your lifestyle So I know exactly and you justify it because it's healthy. Yeah I'm oh, I'm eating my meal and you know you gluten free pasta or I'm having my my rice and bison I always double up on protein. Yeah, you know, it's like just something you do and so it's hard to kick that habit Oh, you know what triggered this was you know when we were getting those meals from what you're gonna call it and I was like

Starting point is 00:48:24 Look at the portions I'm like small. Yeah god it's a tiny ass I eat like three four of these normally I'm like boy I'm I'm eating a lot more than what I thought I was eating when you start to have somebody at somebody else control it for you and it's tracked and you're going like oh wow you know and it's like and of course all that stuff is like of course I should know that you know but it's it's so ingrained on some of these behaviors that you forget, like, oh wow, like I really have to modify and adjust all those things because my life is changing.

Starting point is 00:48:54 I'm at a different season in my life. And if I don't do that, I mean, I actually attribute this to why I think 90% of all athletes that I've ever trained that are older, 40 feet. Post, right? Are all really overweight. All of them.

Starting point is 00:49:08 Yeah, because of this, because they still eat the way they ate or even if it's not exactly the same, it's still so much higher than what they should be at. And all they're really looking at is their lack of activity. Yeah, it's like the biggest factor. And so they're always trying to like, because that was the method. You know, and I got caught into this whole thing.

Starting point is 00:49:28 It was like, I could just eat whatever. I didn't really have to pay attention because I was moving so much, so intensely. You had to eat that much. Yeah, it was just fueling me. That's the thing. Like, you learn, here's what happens to a lot of athletes, is you learn to eat more, which is actually hard at first.

Starting point is 00:49:43 When you train a young athlete, one of the things you have to convince a young athlete to do is just like stuff themselves. Then they get into this habit of doing it, and they do it for years. This is how they eat now. And then all of a sudden, they stop that activity. Oh, I got to relearn. You know what's going on.

Starting point is 00:49:56 That's a part why I think I was so challenged, was because it was such a challenge to get there. Yeah. It was such a challenge. Two years of being able to eat that. Oh yeah, it took me a long time to actually be consistent with eating like that. And it's like, so there's even, so there's another layer there of, yeah, I know I'm supposed to eat less, but then I'm like, I don't want to go. I don't want to

Starting point is 00:50:15 eat so much less than what if I wanted to build a bunch more muscle again and be that big guy for a while. Like maybe I changed my mind. I'll go the way. Am I going to go through that whole process again of like struggling, to eat that much? It's a weird, it's a really weird predicament to be in and to be aware of and to pay attention to it. I just think that that happens to so many people where they have career changes or just goal changes or like stress hormones.

Starting point is 00:50:39 Yeah, just, I know it's, it's, in this is crazy because then you have people who say you can't really speed up or slow down your metabolism that much. Okay, buddy. All right. Yeah, I've seen crazy changes in people's metabolism. Well, mine is radically different. And I still weight train.

Starting point is 00:50:55 I'm still considered an athletic or fit type of metabolism. You still have a fast metabolism comparing to somebody you're height and weight. But that's just, that's how crazy it can be. I mean, it can be that different. I'm talking about thousands of calories difference of what I can consume today compared to what I can consume then. And it's insane.

Starting point is 00:51:10 Yeah, very, very crazy. All right, so I wanted to talk to you guys, and we're going to make sure we get them on the phone, but I wanted to talk to you, you know, the audience about, so they don't know, some people know, that we have an arm of our company that invests in companies, right? We invest as like angel investors in essence in certain companies. And my cousin, Alex, he very successful here in Silicon Valley.

Starting point is 00:51:34 He helped start a very successful company. They went off and started his own company. And when he talked to me about this, or he talked to me and my other cousins about this, I didn't really understand it at first, but then I asked him to explain it, and it's so crazy and disruptive that, I mean, I'm confident. I've already told everybody in the family,

Starting point is 00:51:55 like Alex is gonna build, this is a billion dollar company, for sure. So essentially what it is, and we'll talk to him on the phone, but he was able to figure out a way to let people create a trust online for free. For free. Which right now, if you want to do that, you either go to a lawyer and spend $1,000.

Starting point is 00:52:16 Or at the cheapest, you get the paperwork online, which costs you hundreds of dollars, but then you still need a lawyer to kind of implement it, whatever. This is all on an app, allows you to put your assets under the whole deal, and to set it up is totally free, and it's pretty remarkable. And so. I'm super excited. Cool.

Starting point is 00:52:34 Yeah, I have questions for him, so I'm excited to talk to him. Yeah, so for people who don't understand, like just real quick, because I know we'll get in the weeds when we talk to him, because this is his space, and we're all very interested. If you have any assets at all, anything at all, car, shoes, a house, whatever, and a family, and you die, that goes to probate, which is the state.

Starting point is 00:52:56 The state then has to hear everybody's claims to your stuff or whatever, and on average it takes 18 months. In other words, your stuff doesn't go off to your stuff or whatever, and on average it takes 18 months. In other words, your stuff doesn't go off to your kids and other people for like a year and a half, unless you have a specific trust. But again, that's like thousands of dollars. That's also assuming it goes well and there's not infighting or issues either.

Starting point is 00:53:18 That's right, then it can get really bad. Yeah, so if you're a new parent, you should do a trust, ASAP, and do it as soon as possible, because then it's easier to add assets to the trust than it is to go backwards to the whole thing. But again, it used to be this really expensive, stupid process, take time, now you go, literally have this company, it's going now, we invested in it because we saw what they could do.

Starting point is 00:53:39 Free, you go there for free, set up a trust, boom, cost you nothing. The company's called Get Dynasty, so it's get, excuse me, the company's name Dynasty, the website is Get Dynasty dot com, but let's get them on the phone and talk to them. Cool. Oh, Sandra, where are you, dude? You're the, looks like you're in a bathroom or something. What's going on? I'm in a, we work phone booth. They have these phone booths. We, we get a, we're early stage company. We don't spend a lot of money on offices. So we get the shared work skills that we work and then we go into the phone booths when we need to take meetings. So Alex, you started this company and I want to get to it.

Starting point is 00:54:18 But before I do, one of the main things you guys do and we'll get to why we invest it because it's actually, it's pretty crazy what you guys are doing over there. But let's talk about one of the main things you guys do which is you create trust or you help people create trust. So first, why is a trust important? Why do you need one? And then what does the process normally look like to create a trust? What a trust actually does is it protects you.

Starting point is 00:54:43 And so it's a personal entity that you create and just like the corporation LLC and you put everything that you own personally into the trust. So instead of owning your house and your cars and your bank accounts and your stock, brokerage accounts, everything goes into the trust, the trust owns them and you control the trust.

Starting point is 00:55:09 The reason why people create trust, there's many reasons, there's different types of trust. And the overall reason to create trust is for protection. So a trust can protect you from pro bank work, a trust can protect you from lawsuits, trust can protect you from creditors or bankruptcy. If you go bankruptcy and you have your assets in a protection trust, those assets are separate from you. It's like, you may lose everything that's under your name personally to like the trust protects the assets that are in the trust. Yeah. Now, for the average person who doesn't have tons of property, huge brokerage accounts,

Starting point is 00:55:43 one of the main values, and I'd love you're either correct me if I'm wrong or let me know if I'm right. One of the main values of a trust is if you die, a lot of people don't know this. Your stuff goes to probate court, and before your kids can get some of your money or the house or whatever you left to them, or whatever, it has to go to probate court.

Starting point is 00:56:04 And that could take like six months before it gets released. Is that accurate? Yeah, so probate court is a public process where if anything happens to you and you don't have a trust, and there's thresholds. There's like probate thresholds for every single state.

Starting point is 00:56:29 They're very low. Some states are like $30,000 from the state. You're $50,000, some states are $100,000. No more than I think California is the most since like $100,000 in the air, or I'm 40,000 or something like that. And so if you exceed and that, you have property, you have some cash and bank.

Starting point is 00:56:45 If you exceed the probate threshold and you die or you become incapacitated or you become mentally unstable, your assets are going to be processed through the probate court system. The probate court system takes on average 18 months and usually the individuals that are fighting for the assets, you know your family members Usually if there's a lot of family members especially if there's people that are like fighting for them They're gonna get legal representation. They're gonna get lawyers And a judge in the end of the day is gonna decide you know what happens to your state Probe court is a massive tax on the poor base not not just the poor poor and the average American

Starting point is 00:57:25 So like everybody doesn't have a trust like how to deal with probate court and and probate court ends up absorbing hundreds of billions of dollars every single year and again It's not coming from the rich. They already they have trust and trust completely circumvent probate court Everybody else like if you just have a simple will that will house to be processed through probate court And so it's a lot of time and it's a lot of money and it's a lot of family drama. Because again, it's a public process. Anybody can turn up like the homeless guy down the street can literally turn up and make you claim for my assets because you can say that, you know, I promised him something

Starting point is 00:57:57 and whatever. And they have to deal with that in the court in the public court process. Okay. Now here's the other thing that now this is where I understand all this. And now this is where things get really wild and disruptive. And what I mean by that is you you've actually created a company. And I've told these guys off air, I believe the potential for this company is to be a billion

Starting point is 00:58:18 dollar company. It's so disruptive to the space because the regulations and laws around creating trust are so archaic and so solidified that in order to create a trust that costs like thousands of dollars. So the average person is like, okay, I want to go create a trust. You go to go get a lawyer. It's going to cost you thousands of dollars and they got to manage it. And there's really no other way to do it until your company came out, Dynasty, and you figured out a way to legally do it for what?

Starting point is 00:58:48 So normally what is it normally cost and how does it work through Dynasty? Yeah, so today before Dynasty, there's two ways to create trust. You can go see a lawyer, you can pay anywhere for $1,000, $25,000, just to create the trust. And again, it depends on the complexity of the trust.

Starting point is 00:59:05 The other way you can create trust is you can go to a what we call online stationary stores. And those like legal zone, there's a few other companies that are similar to rockin' their few other companies and are similar to these companies. They charge you a few hundred bucks, you know, you work from like 300 bucks, like 600 bucks to create a trust,

Starting point is 00:59:24 but literally they're selling you a stack of paper. And they're not helping you actually move assets into the trust, they're not helping you. Minister of the trust, they're literally just helping you with the creation process. At least if you go to a lawyer, you pay a little bit more, but they're full service. They're gonna help you with every single part of,

Starting point is 00:59:40 you know, trust creation, trust administration, trust funding, any questions you have to get a little bit more on the lawyer's side. These online stationary stores, we looked at them and so in the very beginning, the reason why we came up with this idea is we all were me and my two co-founders, the first employees at a very successful tech company called CARDA. I was the first sales rep, my co-founder was the first employee. He's an engineer. My other co-founder was the first product manager. And so like as Carta became more successful,

Starting point is 01:00:10 our stocks started becoming worth more money. So we got access to the best financial advisors and lawyers that exist. And so we started looking into the process to create a trust. And you know, when you, and so, and you knowon of our cousins. He's he's a trust attorney So I reached out to him right away and I said hey, I want to create a trust You know, how do I do it? And he sent me a film the blank form like literally is it's like a template like he has a standard template You fill in the blank and boom. It's 1500 bucks And so the second we saw that we're like no no, this should, this shouldn't cost anything. Like, we can automate this, this film, the blank template, like 100% with software and it

Starting point is 01:00:50 costs us nothing to deliver. And so that's why we, you know, our simple trust product that helps protect you from probating it's better than a will is 100% free. So where, how is it different than legal zoom then? I mean, you told, I mean, you gave the example of it's like a stack of paper But how is a a template that someone just pays for how is that different like what are you getting more by going through dynasty Versus just going through legal zoom Yeah, so I would say the biggest difference overall number one is weird the only free living trust software product that exists

Starting point is 01:01:22 Oh, sorry for free first first all, we'll focus in on three. Nobody else, like everybody else, they're all on the online stationery standpoint. They're all doing just a simple trust, the probate protection trust, and they're charging hundreds of dollars for one time trust creation versus us. It's 100% free.

Starting point is 01:01:43 And then in addition to that, we have this entire plop that lets you go in anytime you need to make a change, you can literally do it from yourself. We've plugged in, it's not included in the free option, but we've plugged in remote notary. Because usually you want to get your trust notary, depending on what state you're in, and it makes it more defensible if it's notary.

Starting point is 01:02:03 So because laws change during the COVID pandemic that allow you to go online and do a remote and notary session, that's what helps make this possible also. And so these other services, they don't offer remote notary, right? They charge you hundreds of dollars for trust creation. We make trust creation free. And then we charge you for, if you want to do remote

Starting point is 01:02:22 notary, if you want any advanced distribution options, if you want to actually get the assets out of your name and do more like asset protection stuff like we talked about. Those are the advanced services that we offer, that's how we make our money. So just the biggest difference is how we make our money. What they're doing, we give away for free, and then we're making money with all the additional services. Yeah, God yeah. So it's really like for the average person who's just like, hey, I got a family, start my family, I just need a trust, go there and do it for free. Nobody else can offer that.

Starting point is 01:02:52 Nobody does. And then is your, so all the other, let's say, bolt-ons that you do after that, like moving assets and the other, the ways that you guys make money, are you competitive with the lawyer or competitive, cheaper, or your competitive? Keep it. You're cheap.

Starting point is 01:03:06 Way less. Wow. Just like every other venture back Silicon Valley technology company, we're going to be the most aggressive. We're going to be using the most software, which allows us to bring costs down for everybody. So give me an example of, because obviously I forget what the number is, the average American that lives paycheck to paycheck. So give me an example of, because obviously I forget what the number is, the average American that lives paycheck to paycheck, they don't, they maybe they have a house, maybe they have

Starting point is 01:03:29 a car, maybe they have a watch pass down from their grandfather. Like at what point do you say like you have enough assets to, this makes sense to do this? Like is it literally just as soon as you have a single asset that is worth more than 20 or 30 grand, you may as well do this. Or it's like, well, until you get to about a quarter million or more dollars worth of assets, then so what would you say is like, what's the bare minimum you should have of assets but to do this? Well, the reason we built this company, so you can say anybody can set up a free trust

Starting point is 01:04:01 in less than five minutes from your mobile phone. We literally have people that we can do selfie checks at the end that literally sent this up. They shouldn't do it, but they said that while they're driving their cars, you know, what guy said it up while he was underneath this car, like doing some mechanics work and like literally said, look like he was in a mechanics garage. And so like we built this product for everyone. And so you asked me that question. When's the best time to do it? The second you open your first bank account Because that should immediately go it doesn't matter. If you only have 100 bucks

Starting point is 01:04:29 Like eventually you save money you have more money like you now it's already in your trust the problem with waiting It's like you're like I don't have money like why would I do that and so you open your first bank account You can buy some stock then you get a car pretty soon you have all these things That aren't in the trust, then you get a card. Pretty soon you have all these things that aren't in the trust, so then you create a trust. And now you have to go back and you have to re-tidle all these assets. And there's nothing more of a pain in the ass in having to re-tidle assets, especially real estate. It's a deal.

Starting point is 01:04:57 You can't. You want trust when you buy the real estate, because they ask, how do you want a title? I want a title to my trust. Please don't. OK, well, that's a huge selling point to me. So, in other words, I also saved money by getting it before I think I even need it

Starting point is 01:05:12 because going forward as I start to acquire these assets, I buy that $50,000 classic car, I buy that new house. Now, I don't have to go pay a lawyer later on after I've already got a trust, so it's like when I buy it, I put it in that name. So I probably saved money that way too, right? Money and lots of time.

Starting point is 01:05:31 Lots of time. That's right. The best time to do it is as early as possible in your adult life. We want to change the behavior. Like the second you turn 18 and you open your first bank account, you should have your trust. And everything that you buy should go in that trust. Oh wow.

Starting point is 01:05:44 What's interesting to me about this whole process, and as Alex was explaining to me a while ago is just how many old archaic laws and regulations that exist literally it would seem to protect and service the wealthy and make these protections unattainable for anybody else. Like the average person to spend $3,000 to create a trust, they're not gonna do that, but a wealthy person is no big deal. They'll spend $100,000 organizing all this stuff. It's the same thing with tax law, it's the same thing with all these other things. It's like there are things out there that you can do to protect yourself

Starting point is 01:06:20 and to build wealth and all that stuff, but a lot of it's unattainable or inaccessible to the average person. And so something like this, I mean, free. Is there an ever a case where I'd wanna reverse my trust? Or would you ever wanna do that? Does it ever make sense or to change, like guess the trustee, like what? Change, changes make sense.

Starting point is 01:06:43 Like reversing it. There's no downside It doesn't change the way you do your taxes, especially a simple trust Okay, the more complex trust like the assets are no longer taxed under your name It's like having a separate entity, but for the simple or vocable to the ones we do for free Like it out there's no downside at all you may want to change it because you make it married You make it's worse. You may every child you have you want to change it every time may get married, you may get divorced, you may every child you have, you want to change it. Every time you move from one state to the next state, you need to change, you need to update it.

Starting point is 01:07:10 Every time you acquire a new property or a new asset, you want to go put that in the trust to those reasons. That's why it should be software. That's our big vision. It's like the fact that all these other companies are just a stack of paper, like how do you like now you have to like go back to a lawyer to modify that? Like every time like, now you have to like, go back to the lawyer to modify that? Like every time you need to make change, you can go back to the lawyer.

Starting point is 01:07:28 Like with us, you just log in from your phone and find that time is another big important factor here. Some of the people have money as well to go pay a lawyer, but they don't want to do it because of the time that it takes. They don't want to like go through the friction of setting up the time and thinking about it. And so like being able to do it in less than five minutes,

Starting point is 01:07:43 that's a huge selling point for someone. Yeah, this is massively disruptive because not only are you going to save up-front by it being free for anybody just to do it, but then as you get wealthier and as you acquire more and more assets, you're just, it's getting cheaper and cheaper for you every time because you would,

Starting point is 01:08:00 any other person would have to go get a lawyer to move and set all that stuff up. Wow, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, it's amazing. So, yeah, Alex, Alessandro, thanks for coming on here. We'll talk more because when I first heard this, I was like, and I told you, and I told everybody in the family, this is a billion dollar idea.

Starting point is 01:08:19 It's really insane. And once I exposed the fellas to it, we all decided to invest. So we're now investors with the numbers. Yeah, I know. Whenever we have conversations like this, which is rare, but we do every now and then the next question I know everyone's going to ask us, are you guys taking on any more money or no? We have existing investors that are prompting right now, like trying to give us more money to go fat to invest to more fields of fire. And, you know, I don't know.

Starting point is 01:08:47 It's not a good time to take money right now because it's market conditions. You know, you know, take money when money is expensive. But, you know, we're day to day determining whether or not we're going to take money. They don't need the money. Yeah. That's it. We don't need it. They don't need the money out. So, anyway, if anybody's interested, check this company out. It's the money. Yeah. That's it. They don't need the money out. So anyway, if anybody's interested,

Starting point is 01:09:05 check this company out. It's get dynasty.com. And again, it's great. We invested ourselves as mine pumps. So we believe in it. Alex, great talking to you, man. And you got everybody, this is exciting. So he's a father, great father, by the way,

Starting point is 01:09:19 he's a good man. He's got another baby on the way. Oh, congrats brother. When's the due date? It's over third. Oh, king. When's the due date? Oh, it's over third. Oh, yeah, she ran the corner, bro. Perfect time. Perfect time started copying dualists.

Starting point is 01:09:33 You're on her role, man. He's, hey, hey, you're gonna have to go. He had no gray beard here. Look at him now. Yeah, it happens. All right, Alex. I'll tell you. I can take it after you.

Starting point is 01:09:43 I'm taking after you. Hey, listen, I'm way ahead, bro. I got four of them. All right, man. All right Alex. I'll talk to you. I'm taking after you. Hey listen. I'm way ahead bro. I got four of them All right, man. All right brother. We'll talk to you later, bro. Take care. Thanks. Thanks for having me on you got it All right, anyway, what you guys would you guys think of so might you could see the oh so massively so disrupting I know right. Yeah, no, I can't wait to see how this all he's great to you the guys He's such a good guy. It's such a hard work. I love that they made it free, man. That's huge for people to just protect their stuff. All right, so what's our shout out?

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Starting point is 01:10:52 First question is from man to 10. How do you find and maintain a neutral spine while doing conventional deadlifts? When, if ever, is it normal to see some lower or upper back rounding? All right, let's start with the first part. So one way I used to get my clients to figure out kind of neutral spine was I would have them go to the extremes and then that would give them a point of reference and then they'd

Starting point is 01:11:17 go in the middle. So in other words, I tell my client to strongly arch their lower back and then strongly put their back and what's called posterior position. So it's like strongly arched and then tuck it, and then go in the middle. There's neutral right there. So that's an easy way to kind of find where it's at. Now, the second part of the question is,

Starting point is 01:11:35 is your normal cat cowardie, do it, it's like standing up. I'll have them do it standing because then they get into the deadlift position. Although cat cows are a great way to do it if they have trouble. Yeah, I think the PVC pipe is the best trick in the book. Right. It was like a trainer one.

Starting point is 01:11:50 Man, that was like halfway through, I mean, you could do it by yourself too though. You can do that by yourself. You buy, grab and the stick. That, I remember the first time I saw that, it was like at least eight, nine years into my career. And I was like, why has no one shown me this before? What are you looking for with that?

Starting point is 01:12:08 Because someone listening to the three contact points, right? And we have a video. And by the way, I think you should put that in the subscription, Justin. I think that's a great like teaching tool for coaches and trainers. But you know, you can use any, you can use a broomstick. You don't need a PVC pipe. And you want one back of the head? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:12:24 Back of the head. And it goes down the shoulder blades and then your hips. So it'll be, you want all three of those points of contact to think about it. And we have a video, do we have one on a Mind Pump TV? Is it Mind Pump TV or is it on the Instagram? I know we have a video of me teaching this or Justin teaching this.

Starting point is 01:12:40 Yeah. So we have a video for this that I'll have the guys link for us. So you coach you through it. but it's really simple to teach and show and it's you You can feel those points of contact so you know the minute you come out of that position The only bad side about it and this is why I said it's a trainer tool is because I've seen people maintain contact and over arcs They're back because they can do this and still have their head and everything touching. No, no, you cannot, you cannot. If you, you'll, one of the three points will come off. You cannot excessively arch in the neck or they hit the head. That's why there's three points. If you keep the three points of contact, you can, I just, you know, okay,

Starting point is 01:13:19 so I don't disagree with you. I think it's good. The one I communicated is like, you could do right now listening to podcasts. You could even test it yourself. The only challenge it with it, and this is where I see the PVC pipe being even more valuable, the challenges some people don't even have a connection to be able to go and to repel the until posture or pelvic tilt. Like they don't even know how to get their pelvis used as movement because they're so stuck in a particular position. That's why I love, okay, so I used to do the exact way you said. I would, I would stand next to him. I would show them excessive arch,

Starting point is 01:13:49 then I would tuck it all the way in, and I say, then I'd find, and I'd be, I'd have my hands on the hips, and I'd be telling them to do the same thing, and then find neutral. There's neutral. But some people don't even know how to, they can't articulate that.

Starting point is 01:13:59 Yeah, they can't articulate their hips like that. And so this is where tools for a for feedback is so valuable because it's they you can put that stick there. You can get you can literally physically move their head their hips there everywhere. And they're like, okay, feel those three points of contact. Now bend over and pick that bar up. Cannot lose that. And they literally have to go so slow at first to just to figure out to figure out how to articulate. Now for another way you can do this without a stick would be lay on the floor with your knees bent and then try to flatten your lower back on the floor

Starting point is 01:14:31 and then try to arch it. And then there's your extremes and they go somewhere in the middle. But the second part of the question, I think is important to address because the spine flexing or extending or whatever, there's nothing inherently wrong with it. What when there becomes an issue is when the spine

Starting point is 01:14:49 is flexing or moving in a position and it goes towards its end range of motion and then what supports the weight is the spine itself. In other words, if the spine can move this much and this much, if it moves a little bit, it's okay because it's still muscle supporting it. It's when it gets to the end that it becomes a problem. Like my elbow, if I support a weight,

Starting point is 01:15:10 but I'm holding my elbow fully extended and then I try and lift the weight, now I run the risk of my elbow joint supporting the weight versus if I curl my arm a little bit and I still have room, then it's no longer the joint. It's the muscle. That being said, with the deadlift, you want the lower back to stay as stable as possible.

Starting point is 01:15:28 The upper back rounding is not an issue for most people. In fact, you'll see many top lifters have some kind of upper back. Well, I think you did like that way. I think if you watched away, I'm very strict. And then you have this kind of natural curvature in your upper back. Real world situations are gonna be

Starting point is 01:15:44 a lot more rounded back situations than you are like. Perfect grab. Yeah, and so it's unrealistic to not account for that. What I think is why we pull as trainers, we try to pull clients in that direction is to find neutral spine to really like work just on the bracing mechanism there to be able to stabilize and keep it,

Starting point is 01:16:03 you know, supported. And so to be able to figure that out a lot of times easier once you once you figure out where that neutral spine is to be able to fill that core connection and then you're going to work off of that and make sure you could still maintain control. If you don't have control in a bracing mechanism in place in a rounded position like that's a problem. Yeah. This like I can't stress the the the pbc pipe tool as a I position, like that's the problem. Yeah. This, like, I can't stress the, the, the, the PVC pipe tool as a, I mean, I think that I made trainers buy it after that, where we always had it in the, in the gym going forward because if I was teaching deadlift or squats to a client after that point of learning that, that, that was with me always.

Starting point is 01:16:40 Mm-hmm. The only way it's not with me is that I got an advanced client who I've already taught all those mechanics, but if I'm teaching a hinge movement, I'm using that stick as a feedback. It's such a great, great tool for them to feel that as they move through their name. Use the wall, use the floor. You know, like those contact points do really emphasize to the client. They can like feel that, that point of contact. So it's helpful. But, what's really out, I remember early on as a trainer, was how few people could bend over

Starting point is 01:17:13 without completely flexing the spine. Like, so few people can actually bend forward at the hips, and it's always coming from the lumbar spine. And so I would get people to bend over, and they were automatically in this really rounded, low back position and getting them to bend over without doing that was like a new skill that their brain didn't compute.

Starting point is 01:17:34 And I remember being shocked, like, no, no, just do it this way, no, no, just do it this way. And they couldn't because there was no connection there. If you don't have that connection, you probably shouldn't deadlift yet. But when you can get the neck connection, then you go and you deadlift very lightly until you can strengthen that better position. Then over time, you can add weight to the bar. And then in that case, deadlifts are very safe. You know how hard it is, too, if somebody knew to teach them hip-hinge versus squatting.

Starting point is 01:17:59 That's right. Just that in general is going to take you while the staff was so. Next question is from Bev Giberson. My right arm is weaker than my left and it affects my barbell curls in that my left doesn't feel fatigued at eight reps while my right is struggling for form. Should I stay at a lower weight until my right arm catches up or switch to dumbbells? This is actually an easy fix.

Starting point is 01:18:22 I mean, okay, and I'll tell you why I'll tell you how to do it, but then I'll tell you where people mess up. Definitely go to dumbbells. This is actually an easy fix. Okay, and I'll tell you why, I'll tell you how to do it, but then I'll tell you where people mess up. Definitely go to dumbbells, definitely trained one arm at a time, and let the weaker arm dictate the reps and the weight. That's where everybody screws up. So, most people logically can say to themselves, like, okay, there's an imbalance between my right and left. By the way, if you're feeling the imbalance on a barbell that much is a big imbalance.

Starting point is 01:18:46 Usually people don't even notice how much of an imbalance they have until you kind of show them. But if you're already feeling it on a barbell, then this is a pretty big imbalance. But you'll fix it pretty quickly if you do what I'm saying. But what people mess up is they do the one arm at a time training and they tend to let the strong arm dictate the weight and the reps.

Starting point is 01:19:04 So what they do is they do good form for 10 reps with the right and then they go to the left that's weaker and they cheat or do shitty form to match the strong arm. Wrong. Use the weak side as the that's the gauge. How many reps can I do and what does my form look like? And then it's going to feel easy on the stronger side. That's okay. Your whole goal is to catch up. Your goal is not to build strength equally in both sides and have them maintain this disparity. So literally, your stronger side is going to get an easy workout while the weaker side is going to get the workout.

Starting point is 01:19:36 And if you do that, you catch up pretty quickly. Within a few months, you'll see yourself balancing out. Because your body actually wants to be balanced. If you give it that stimulus, it'll balance itself. It'll catch up. The one thing I would add to that because the other mistake that I see is people take that advice. And so let's say it's my right arm that's really weak.

Starting point is 01:19:53 And so I'm going to do the curls with my right arm first. And they hear you do as many as you can with that one and then mirror the other one. And as many as you can turns into two shitty reps at the end, right? Because they're so far behind. You're going to have perfect form. Yeah, like what you do, when the weaker arm is dictating how many you're gonna do on the strong arm, it's where form

Starting point is 01:20:13 even slightly sourced to go. So you stop before that. Like you do not want to, you know, get like five perfect reps. And then you're like, I can get six, but six is rolling the shoulder and rocking the elbow to get the six rep in. And then you go do six on the weaker, on the stronger arm

Starting point is 01:20:28 that you could easily do six. And like you don't wanna do that cause even if your biceps starts to catch up, then you've created really bad patterns and habits on the right side where you'll have this kind of shoulder roll and rock every time you curl on the weaker side. Like stay strict for all the tricks. We need to stop thinking of muscles and isolation.

Starting point is 01:20:46 What you work is what you strengthen. So if your technique is off and you're working that off technique, that's how you get stronger. You get stronger with bad technique because you're going to hardwire bad technique. That's right. And then trying to reverse out of it can become very challenging. By the way, I remember, God, one of the most insane things we ever saw on the podcast is when we released Map Symmetry.

Starting point is 01:21:09 So Map Symmetry is a program that's specifically designed to balance out right and left. And if you've been working out for a long time and you've never done an entire two or three month period of unilateral training, you probably have some of balances, okay, so most people. But there was that one girl who was very highly trained, very fit.

Starting point is 01:21:26 She did one of those scans where it could literally show how many pounds of lean body mass was in the right arm versus the left arm, the right, the right labor's the left leg. And there was a small difference, which most people will have. She followed map symmetry and they came out perfectly balanced. So she built muscle on the weaker side and it caught up to the strong side. So they got dexascines. I think it was a dexascane. Yeah. Yeah. And it came back totally balanced, which is really

Starting point is 01:21:49 cool because if you're advanced, you may think to yourself how hard it is to build muscle, an easy hack to build muscle when you're advanced is to find these weaknesses. Because she gained, I don't remember what it was, like a quarter pound or half a pound of lean body mass in her own right leg versus left leg or whatever, she whatever. She built muscle and it went exactly where it ends up. And balanced her out. So that she did not care about her bilateral stuff. Exactly. Had she not done that would have never happened.

Starting point is 01:22:12 Next question is from Travis Goddard to 82. Should you not increase the weight when performing a barbell back squat until you can go below 90 degrees. You know, in a perfect world, I would try to work on mobility and form and depth before adding weight, because adding range of motion is also progressively overloading. So people don't realize this, but if you go 90 degrees with a hundred pounds and then through mobility and technique, you're able to go below 90 degrees, you've increased the, you've progressively overload yourself.

Starting point is 01:22:46 It's like adding weight to the bar because you've lengthened the range of motion. So this, I'm the reason why I'm saying that is because people often think they'd rather add weight than add range of motion. But when it comes to building muscle and, you know, functional, whatever, it's, they both build muscle. One is actually more functional than the other, which is increasing range of motion. So in a perfect world, I'm gonna see if I can get the person to go deeper than 90 degrees.

Starting point is 01:23:07 Now, when that doesn't play out is when I get those occasional, and I'd say probably 10, 15% of my clients, it wasn't worth trying to get them to go below 90 degrees because it was just so much and so many things we had to work on. And it's just, at that point, it was like, let's just get you stronger and this is working. And we'll try some other exercises on top of that. Yeah, or you're, yeah, you're already getting stronger.

Starting point is 01:23:30 I mean, there's, it really depends on your goal in terms of like, 100%. And overall health desire, or if it's like, I wanna get strong at this lift. And I wanna, you know, if I'm, I have desires to like ego specific kind of desires, I wanna get to a certain amount of weight on my back for my squat. And I want to put up this much weight for bench. And, you know, if there's somewhat competitive with themselves like 90 degrees, it's pretty,

Starting point is 01:23:56 that's a pretty reasonable squat for you to achieve and get like and load up substantially. So the only time I kind of steer in that direction is two if there's issues with like my glutes aren't really firing, I'm not feeling a connection there, I'm very quad dominant, whatever. Like, you know, I might want to address that and be like, well, depth is going to play a factor into that.

Starting point is 01:24:19 Glutes always fire. So, yeah, so that's, you know, problem for me. You hit it on the head. 100% has to do with your goals. And I like this question because it just highlights the nuances of training somebody is, had I been sitting down with Travis and asking him questions on his personal goals,

Starting point is 01:24:40 my answer could be like three different answers on like how I'm to coach them on this. An example of that is myself. When I was competing to be a bodybuilder, I was very aware of my lack of range of motion in my squat. I could only get down to about 90 degrees, but I had a very specific goal to build as much muscle on my legs and present the best. And at the extreme level.

Starting point is 01:25:03 And I could care less that I couldn't, I wasn't getting three or six inches deeper. As soon as I was done competing, and that was no longer the main focus for me, and I'm thinking now I'm going to be a father in the future, I'm getting older, I want, I care more about health and joint health and mobility and flexibility. Like that, then that became the pursuit.

Starting point is 01:25:22 Then I sacrificed adding weight to the bar to continue to increase range of motion. So it really depends on the person's goal and what they are stressing to me is the most important thing at that point in their life. How I'm going to coach you. I'm going to educate them no matter what and say like, okay, we can build the most massive quads

Starting point is 01:25:41 and just be focused on that and not really worry about your and sacrifice some mobility right now. Know that if this was the long play, I'd want to do that first and do that, but at the end of the day, you hire me, you tell me what we're going to do. This is what we're going to do right now. But again, generally speaking, I would, it would probably be ideal to try and go a little below 90 degrees. Overall, you'll feel better. You'll probably build muscle. Overall, just with all things being considered, for most people, I would say that would be where I would focus, for sure. Next question is from CMOS 23.

Starting point is 01:26:10 If all of you had to do a different podcast, but it couldn't be fitness related, what would you talk about? Politics, movies, and not movies for just this. You don't think so? Conspiracies. Or yeah, yeah. I was seeing a coin at mine, fuck. You already thought about this? Yeah, obviously. He yeah. Yeah. I was seeing Conan at mine, fuck.

Starting point is 01:26:25 You already thought about this? Yeah, obviously. He's like, I'm gonna do my spin-off. I'm gonna read it some of the world's problems like by exposing everything. I feel like I'd be your occasional co-host on that show. I think so.

Starting point is 01:26:37 Like everyone's gonna like get on and talk about weird stuff. I'll just put you on Zoom and we'd riff it out. You would be politics, wouldn't you? I don't know, maybe. I kinda like the direction that Justin is going to conspirator. It'd riff it out. You would be politics, wouldn't you? Uh, I don't know, maybe. I kinda like the direction that Justin's going to conspirator be more fun. Cause I think I'd be so toxic talking about politics. You know, I think after five episodes of it.

Starting point is 01:26:52 I guess you could get politics, we go in. I was gonna say, you could probably still get some of your politics. Yeah, so if we were on a show together, I would mix that in with the conspiracies and you would have the piercancellation. So it's a little bit about that, is it's like, it gives you sci-fi and politics and like all of those factors over the line. I don't know, I think you would have the piercancellation. See what's a little grid about that is it's like, it gives you sci-fi and politics

Starting point is 01:27:06 and like all of those factors. I don't know, I think you would like, I think you would enjoy the most about the politics is actually the intellectual banter with your guest or the people you're challenging because you like you thrive in that. I do. But it starts to get toxic, man.

Starting point is 01:27:19 Oh, they just identified that. It just starts, you know, I would also have to think about what I wanna keep doing that. Well, imagine like doing nothing with Toma conspiracy theories. You'd be fucking tinfoiled hat out, dude. just identified that, just that, you know, I would also have to think about what I want to keep doing that. Well, imagine like doing nothing but talking about conspiracy theories. You'd be fucking tinfoiled hat out, dude, like crazy. You wouldn't trust anybody if that's all you fucking talked about and you studied and you

Starting point is 01:27:34 read, like, can you imagine? I don't know, it's kind of cool. I don't know, maybe, maybe. Yeah, I'd have like multiple personality disorder or something, like I'd have some kind of psychological way. You'd have to create a new personality, just to just a deal with it all you would business for sure That's easy probably something in that vein. I think so yeah, fine Yeah, something along those lines. I think I would enjoy to do that. What about you Doug? What would you do?

Starting point is 01:27:56 That's a tricky one because I have a lot of interest, but I don't think I can go very deep on any of them You know what I mean? That's a podcaster I don't think I can go very deep on any of them. You know what I mean? That's a podcaster. That's a podcaster. I just talk about all types of things. Well, it's the armchair, whatever. It's the armchair, whatever.

Starting point is 01:28:11 It's the armchair, whatever. I mean, there's a reason why I don't have a business for the same reason. Like, I would want to be even more versed in that world. So, but that would cause me to go deeper in that world. Yeah, for sure. I mean, I have an interest in business as well, especially like startup type business conversations,

Starting point is 01:28:28 photography would be something I would be interested in since I do enjoy that. How do I tell boring? I know. Yeah, that's a listen to that. All right, let's talk about apertures. Hey, you're listening to someone talk about pictures. Yeah, that's beautiful.

Starting point is 01:28:42 I should see it. I know you can't see it right now, but that's really good. Not before like the technical aspect of photography. Yeah, that's the. Yeah, I know you can't see it right now, but that's really good. Not before like the technical aspect of photography, that does thing. But you know, again, not very exciting. Andrew, if you build a podcast, what are you building? I would do the production.

Starting point is 01:28:53 Oh, a podcast around production. No, no, I'm saying I would do the production. Oh, you're like, I would do the production. I don't wanna be on the show. Yeah, you know what's funny? I was talking to, who was I was teasing my cousin. I'm on this group thread with my cousins and I check in every be on the show. Yeah, you know what's funny? I was talking to who was teasing my cousin. I'm on this group throughout with my cousins and I check in every once in a while

Starting point is 01:29:08 and basically I go in there and break their balls. It's my job. So I go in there and I remember what they were all talking crap about each other's jobs and whatever and this is, again, we just break each other's balls. So I got on there and I'm like, man, I literally have the perfect like job ever.

Starting point is 01:29:26 And I'm like, what do you mean? I said, I get to talk about what I love to talk about, which is fitness and bullshit. So really if you mix that all in, it's great. I said, I get free supplements, which had you asked me at the age of, I don't know, between the ages of 14 to now, what would be an awesome perk, free supplements.

Starting point is 01:29:43 I even get testosterone hooked up because I'm on TRT and they send it to me, and I get access to peptide. Are you kidding me? And you leave work at one? And I get to leave work at one. My family and my kids. How could you not add that in there?

Starting point is 01:29:59 That's a definite first. That's also a good one. I hate you having a mini-man. Yeah. I don't even know. The mini man, anything's looking nice. I feel like you're gonna be the one who breaks

Starting point is 01:30:08 and does the mini man first. We got the suburban. That's got a lot of seats. Yeah. Yeah. You don't complain about the gas on that. That's the hack, you know, to stay a little bit cool.

Starting point is 01:30:17 Yeah. That's exactly what I would do. Yeah. If I had this, the suburban would be the movie. What if I got my next is a bus. Anyway, what if I got like an 18 minivan? Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's the other day.

Starting point is 01:30:28 It's the summer to those the other day. Did you? Yeah, yeah, it was like, so it's like the panel van and it has like a little, like why did, why did it have that, that window? Yeah, no, the wing. The, yeah, the spoiler wing thing on top of a van. Bro, there was a second, the aerodynamic.

Starting point is 01:30:44 There was a second there, that's like a toaster. There was a second there where people were making minivans like into like, like they look like fast cars or something. Yeah, remember that? Oh yeah, they were trying to like trick them out, all crazy. Yeah, well you know what that is today is the, those like the Mercedes ones now,

Starting point is 01:31:01 that everybody. Yes, sprinter van. Oh, that's like the new, that is the thing now is to take those and custom, there's a big business and custom. There's only, so there's only two kinds of vans that I would drive. One of them would be the 18 looking type one.

Starting point is 01:31:13 Yeah. The other one and Justin will appreciate this as I get a mini van. Armored. No. No. We got the Shapling gun on top. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:31:22 I'm getting me dude. Yeah, we popular with the kids and I dropped the kids off with the teachers. Hey, teachers, I would have a van and then I have, you ever seen those like, those fans and people have they're like a like a wizard. You know, like a dragon or something. I think you're on a shooting lightning bolts.

Starting point is 01:31:41 Tell me that would be amazing. You guys would want to arrive. I totally do. You know what want to arrive at the bottom. I totally do. You know what I always hear people that have them and drive them, that like when they hear us talk shit or what, that like yeah, that's how I thought too. And then I drove one.

Starting point is 01:31:55 That's what everyone always says like it. Then you drive one and you're like, oh man, this is so comfortable. Yeah, it's a, I grew up in one. So I noticed like that. And I drove it. Would you go, we had him in event? No, what was it?

Starting point is 01:32:04 Dodge caravan. Oh, you had a caravan. Dude have we had a mini van no one was a Dodge caravan Oh, you had a caravan. We had a hero star. Oh, you had one too. I did a terrible good one. We had with stick shift my dad My dad bought a stick shift. Yes arrow a arrow star. Same. Oh my that's great arrow stars further back Right, that's even before the Dodge caravan is no, I think dodges first lady. Oh really? I think the first mini van was Dodge I think oh, I don't know I don't know I didn't know bro the stick on it was so long Anyway, look if you love the show and I know you do because you're still here go to mind pump free calm and check out all of our free fitness guides We got a lot of them and they're all free you can also find all of us on social media

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