Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2166: The Pros & Cons of Naps, What to Do When Hard Work in the Gym isn’t Paying Off, How to Build Strong Hands & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:02:12 I have some help for you. The data is clear, crystal clear. There's one thing that'll help more than anything else exercise. To be more specific, strength training. Strength training has been shown to alleviate low-to-moderate depression and anxiety better than talk therapy, even better than medication. Now, of course, I'm not a doctor. So check with your doctor, but look it up yourself. It's one of the, or if not the most effective ways to help yourself alleviate or prevent anxiety and depression. Being fit and strong also helps your brain, your mind, and your mood. So if you're not doing those things

Starting point is 00:02:49 and you feel terrible, try them out. Watch what happens. Do you think the reason why this isn't being prescribed more is a lack of awareness? Or do you think it's more a risk issue why a lot of doctors aren't already prescribing this as the first line of defense. You know, honestly if I'm being 100% honest and giving a lot of

Starting point is 00:03:10 And being great. I guess giving them some grace. I think really has to do with lack of awareness is probably one of them Although that one's increasing and then the other one is just application So when you're a doctor, you don't have a lot of time with patients, you're going from patient to patient. It's hard enough. I don't know if you guys know this. You're a little bit jaded because of, yeah, when you do give good advice like that, they don't do it. They don't do it. You know what the data shows on medications? On people taking a pill, there's a high percentage of people that forget or don't even take their medications. So then a doctor is going gonna come out and say,

Starting point is 00:03:45 hey, I know you're depressed. You should go exercise regularly. So their theory is like this, I'm gonna see 10 people, I'm gonna give in the 10 people, I'm gonna give five, the advice to go, strain chain, I'm gonna give five, the opportunity to take a pill, then all of, or then another five,

Starting point is 00:04:01 I'm gonna give both advice and the likelihood that the strain training advice is going to happen, one at a five or zero then another five, or the five, I'm gonna give both advice and the likelihood that the strength training advice is going to happen one at a five or zero at a five, you're going to do it, but all five people at least take the pill and that helps them by 10%. And so I think 10% over the 80% improvement because mathematically that still wins. Yeah, I think so.

Starting point is 00:04:19 I think some sort of rationalization like that, yeah. Yeah, like they probably have to do sort of, like what's most effective in this specific demographic in front of me. That's it. And I think the other issue is that the studies, because studies require funding, so this is just part of the program, part of the system, is that there's a lot of studies on depression and medications, because this is something that people suffer from and its potential

Starting point is 00:04:44 profits. Exercise, who profits from funding a study like this, right? and medications because this is something that people suffer from and its potential profits, exercise who profits from funding a study like this, right? So we're seeing the studies come out now and they're showing some pretty incredible things. So it's both awareness and the fact that people won't do it, but we need to continue to preach this because here's what the data shows. When they compare like strength training or exercise to let's say traditional either talk therapy or SSRIs for you know low to moderate depression anxiety. They're like on par in like a 12 or 16 week period, but if you extend it out it actually continues to work better because you don't get down regulation of receptors like you do with medications.

Starting point is 00:05:20 You don't get the side effects. A lot of these medications cause weight gain or erectile dysfunction or sexual issues or they become more numb. They can't feel the things. Fitness and exercise, not only does it help with the depression and anxiety improves everything else when you apply it properly. And you guys know this as well as I do.

Starting point is 00:05:38 If someone just started exercising now, imagine the benefits they got in year two and year three versus the first 16 months. You get even better benefits as you continue practice. It compounds. It compounds. So, it's literally the single best thing that we have to improve our mental health. There's nothing that compares.

Starting point is 00:05:58 In a capitalist society that allows medications to be advertised on radio and television. And that takes up 70, 80% of the advertising that's out there. Is it even possible for something that's holistic to ever out compete a drug? I don't care if it's 99%. You have to change. Yeah. A lot of the message. You know why? Because you won't do because because there's, back to your money point. Right. And if it's about money, money is driving the markets.

Starting point is 00:06:31 The 70% of all commercials are drug commercials. If it's a holistic answer, it'll never win because it'll always get out competing. Yeah, but here's why I don't think that's really the main issue. People know that exercise and eating right makes you lose weight. We have an obesity issue, yet nobody's still doing it. So I don't think it's an awareness thing as much as it's like people don't want to do it. I'm not sure that's the answer. I don't know if that's a fair comparison though.

Starting point is 00:07:00 Well, let me ask you guys this. How easy is it to convince somebody to start exercising and then to do it right and to do it forever? Right? It's not. It's hard. So I think that a lot of it has to do with that. There's definitely an awareness issue for sure. So I'm not, you know, discounting what you're saying out of them.

Starting point is 00:07:15 That's a big part of it. But the other part is people have to do it, you know, and you have to do it regularly and consistently. It's not as easy as just popping a pill. Yeah, I feel like people that really struggle with anxiety, I think, I want to believe that a majority of them, if they really understood how profound strength training exercise could be for them in comparison to what the doctor is prescribing them, I want to believe more people would do it.

Starting point is 00:07:43 You could do that and not be successful with like weight loss, right? Like weight loss, birding body fat, building muscle requires another level of commitment and dedication because there's also nutrition that's involved in that. You can't just exercise and wait. And so you could exercise all you want, but if you're in a caloric cell

Starting point is 00:08:02 plus all the time and eating bad food. Well, so long as you're not over training, you're gonna improve your mental health. That's what you're saying. That's what I mean. So it's like even, even like not the greatest diet with proper strength training and exercise is going to show profound movements

Starting point is 00:08:17 in the right direction for anxiety and depression. You know what the other challenge to though is, because I've worked with clients who did find the benefits of exercise to be profound for their anxiety and depression a lot of clients. The challenge is also when you feel the kind of anxiety that starts to impact your life and the kind of depression where you identify it, it's hard to do anything. Let alone start an exercise program, right?

Starting point is 00:08:45 Like if you're anxious and you're kind of depressed, you don't want to go to work. You don't want to get up out of bed. You don't want to like deal with your spouse. Now someone's like, hey, start this new thing, go into a gym, do this thing that you've never done before. It almost compounds in the reverse direction, right? Because you start living too much in your own mind.

Starting point is 00:09:02 And then you don't use your body in a way where now you're getting that kind of stimulus that your body's prioritizing. So it just keeps kind of repeating these thoughts and loops and you start really obsessing over future and things that you have no control over. When in fact, I think that's what a lot of, if you want to just like simplify it a bit of like what

Starting point is 00:09:23 you're kind of relieving yourself of, a lot of, if you want to just like simplify it a bit of like what you're kind of relieving yourself of, is you not trying to focus on the future, right? Is that really what's so profound about? Well, also being able to have control over your body in terms of improving your body, right? You don't have a lot of control out there at work sometimes, or like what's happening in the world, or whatever it is that's sort of this loop and this trap that you're in. So I've heard someone define anxiety as purely just thinking about what's to come in the future.

Starting point is 00:09:58 And so if you were to just stop thinking about what's to come in the future, you would completely alleviate the anxiety. Yeah, well yeah. So be present, right? Right. In other words, simpler terms, be hyper-present. Okay, well, easier said than done

Starting point is 00:10:12 for somebody who has crippling anxiety. But put 300 pounds on your back and try and perform a perfect squat. And I don't care how anxious you are. Super-present. You have to be super-present. And so do you think that's really, I mean, distilled down to it in its simplest form,

Starting point is 00:10:29 what's really going on there? Part of it. There's also the improvement in overall health, reduction in inflammation, building muscle. I mean, you release chemicals into the body that are feel good. So maybe that's what makes it so magical, Sal, is it isn't just that?

Starting point is 00:10:41 It's like, it's like, it forces you to be hyper-present, which is definitely the big rock. It's also empowering. It's also this journey in learning and growth. And then you have this little thing. Organizing your hormones, your building your muscles, helping your metabolism, you're probably gonna sleep. So it's just, people don't realize this. I mean, it's not even in the same universe. No, it's not even close.

Starting point is 00:11:01 Listen, people need to realize something that, obviously, we know our brain is where we can go same Utility, no, it's not even close listen people need to realize something that Obviously, we know our brain is where we get our thoughts and our consciousness, right? And when we're taking antidepressants and anti-anxiety medication, it's affecting the brain That's what makes you feel or particular way if your body sick So is your brain just like a heart that's not healthy or a liver that's not healthy If you're not healthy your brain is just like a heart that's not healthy or a liver that's not healthy. If you're not healthy, your brain isn't operating in a healthy way.

Starting point is 00:11:28 And so it's going to make you feel not so healthy. You are more likely to feel depressed. You are more likely to feel anxious. You are more likely to feel negative within unhealthy brain versus a healthy brain. So there's also the physical aspect of it, not just the empowerment, and you know, I'm doing this thing and I'm growing and I'm going out and doing this thing. I'll tell you, here's what I like.

Starting point is 00:11:51 Here's how I used to like to use or work with doctors with patients who had anxiety and depression. They would use these medications as a bridge. Cause sometimes you're so anxious and you're depressed. It's so hard to just get up and do something. So they would use these medications as a way to get up and then do the things that are the things that they should be doing long term. So it's like, okay, I'm doing this now so I can get out of bed.

Starting point is 00:12:16 I can go to work. I can go to the gym. I can work out. And then slowly wean themselves off as the exercise starts to take over and become the thing that really helps them the most. There's a lot of, look, there's also a lot of natural things that can help. They don't compare to the pharmaceuticals,

Starting point is 00:12:33 but they also don't have the same kind of side effects. So like you could look at St. John's work, by the way, if you are being medicated for these things, you must talk to your doctor before taking any of the things I'm gonna talk about, especially if you plan on not taking your medication, don't not take your medication without talking to your doctor. That could be quite dangerous,

Starting point is 00:12:52 but St. John's Wort helps, Sam E helps with depression for a lot of people, creatine helps, cannabinoids, cannabinoids see, and some people have profound effects with depression and anxiety and inflammation. CBD is one of them. I mean, we work with the company. You had a caller the other day. Did we just have a caller that was talking about that was how profound that was? Yeah, we work with Ned. They make a full spectrum hempoil extract and that one you feel and I could totally see how that would help

Starting point is 00:13:23 with the acute feelings of Anxiety or feeling kind of down, but the way I feel like you should use these things Let's say you take net because it makes you feel better, right? Don't just rely on that use the net to feel better So then you can do the things you know That are going to be beneficial for you long-term the things that you know Don't require you taking something or medicating. Yeah, That's one of the best ways in my opinion to use them. But I swear when you look at the like if exercise, if the effects of exercise on if you compare the mental and psychological effects of proper exercise to just the fat loss

Starting point is 00:13:59 effects, okay, or the muscle building effects, the mental effects actually kick the crap out of the elements. People don't realize this. the mental effects actually kick the crap out of the elements. People don't realize this. The mental effects are so much more profound. In fact, when you talk to fitness fanatics who've been doing this for a long time, ask them the top three reasons why they work out. All of them will have to do with something

Starting point is 00:14:17 you do with the mental- They're all psychological reasons. Yes, because you identify this as you continue doing this. You go, well, it's cool that I build muscle. I look good, but I'm not ever going to stop because of the mental benefits that it's providing me of the psychological benefits. So it's a much, much, and nobody talks about this.

Starting point is 00:14:33 I don't think it's as easy to sell, of course. It doesn't look as sexy. You know what it is, is that I was listening to, there was a clip on, God, it was a CBS, I think it was. Arthur Brooks, he's wrote a book with Oprah. And he's like, pop up all over the place. Yeah, and I love Arthur. He's an expert on happiness.

Starting point is 00:14:50 He studies this for a living. And I remember talking to him about beauty and its impact on happiness. And I remember what he, I'm gonna think I'm gonna butcher it, but he said something like, imagine it fell on a scale of one to 10, you were a five in terms of beauty. And then you spent all your time, money, and energy to go from a five to an eight for

Starting point is 00:15:09 a nine. Okay, you did. You worked out, you did plastic surgery, all these things. Just to improve your beauty, he said the impact it would have on your amp, on your happiness is almost negligible. Hmm. Yet people look at fitness and think they'll derive happiness from the visual effects. They think, oh, I'm going to be happy if I look good.

Starting point is 00:15:29 That's not why exercise makes you happy. It's not the way you look that makes you feel better. There's much more profound effects that are happening that have very little to do. I mean, it's a side effect, right? How you look is a side effect. Self-improvement work. I know. Along the whole journey that you're doing it.

Starting point is 00:15:43 I know. Crazy stuff. I saw something I wanted to ask you guys the other day the total different direction but it was on my mind and I wanted to know if you guys had seen that. The only fans CEO you seen, did you see what he made last year? Was he making like a million a day or something? Yes. I mean that makes perfect sense. Clearing. That's what the company grows. That's what he was? Yes. I mean, that makes perfect sense. It's clearings. Not like he's like, that's what the company gross. That's what he was clearing personally. Oh, wow, personally.

Starting point is 00:16:09 Yeah. A million dollars a day. That's insane. Wow. Where's he at now? What's his net worth? I don't know. That's a good question.

Starting point is 00:16:18 Maybe Doug can find him what his total net worth is right now. How, you know what though? Were they really trying to pivot earlier in terms of like not having as much sexual content, or was that just a ploy to get attention in this? I remember they turned it right back on. They did, and I don't know if it was a boy or not. I do think that I think it was considered at one point

Starting point is 00:16:39 if they wanted to go public, that that was the direction they were gonna go. And I think for a minute there, they had considered it, but I think quickly realized when they did their data, what is it, Doug? He's worth 2.1 billion. A billionaire. Yeah, over something like that.

Starting point is 00:16:52 There it is. That is crazy. Well, he's in that category of people that turned to billionaires in during COVID. Yeah, during COVID. Is that what you guys said? They're doing it with a billionaire a day. Yeah, billionaire a day.

Starting point is 00:17:02 So he was one of them. Oh, that is crazy. That is crazy. That's insane. That a day. So he was one of them. Oh, that is great. Oh, fans. That's, that's, that's the same. That's the same. I know. Yeah, that's, that sucks. I mean, you miss the world.

Starting point is 00:17:11 He's like a, a legal pick, right? Yeah. You know the data? I mean, it's really what the, the website has become, right? There was a clip of, I don't remember what it was. It was like a podcast and there were like, people debating or whatever. And then they were talking about how like,

Starting point is 00:17:26 oh, you could just go on Oli fans or whatever and make a bunch of money. And this guy brought a Pichart. Such a small percentage of people actually make a living on Oli fans. Sure. And you have all these people on there, all these girls, all these whatever,

Starting point is 00:17:37 posting videos and pictures themselves, thinking they're gonna be the next millionaire. The vast majority make like a hundred bucks a month or less, five, 50 bucks. And they're putting themselves out there. Now they're pictures be the next millionaire, the vast majority make like a hundred bucks a month or less, five, 50 bucks, and they're putting themselves out there, that one. Pictures circulate everywhere. Ruining themselves. I mean, it's not that much different

Starting point is 00:17:51 to like with fitness influencers or influencers in general, right? Yeah. Well, I guess you could do embarrassing things as a system, or just dedicating your life to trying to become an influencer. You want to be so bad, like. Because you saw that one.

Starting point is 00:18:04 Yeah, the percentage of people that actually are very successful being a quote unquote influencer and yet how many kids are now. I mean, isn't it turned into like one of the top like three people when they ask kids when they want to? It didn't even exist. It didn't even exist as a like, yeah, what do you want to be? Do you grow up? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:18:22 It's now become like a top three answer from kids. Have you guys got that yet from your kids or your kids starting to say things like that? No. You know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you it may be because their dad does it. I don't know, they haven't said anything like that. So they're embarrassed for years. I can't tell you, I only shopied with my daughter, my 13 year old daughter, over the weekend. And it's hard to, it's really hard to have conversations with your, I guess with teenagers in general, but my 13 year old daughter's like, oh, hey, you know, try to talk.

Starting point is 00:19:01 So I'm just kind of trying to be funny and just enjoy my time with her, whatever that is, right? So we're hanging out and while I'm with her, someone comes up to me because they recognize me. Oh my God, this was my dog. Soon as a person walked up, oh my God, I love your show. My dog goes, I'm going to walk away.

Starting point is 00:19:15 No, she did. I was just going to ask you if that house is. I walked up to her, like, your dad's cool, okay? He's like, yeah, anyway. You're a good, no matter what you do. He's not kind of funny though. I don't know. I wonder how I would have been. Okay, anyway He's not kind of funny though. I don't know. I wonder how I would have been like he can't I can't wrap my brain around What it would have been like if one of my parents were like famous like that or got like people coming up saying like yeah I don't think you would have been stuck. I think so too I feel like you would be like oh, I just remember because I mean people

Starting point is 00:19:42 Sometimes and I told you guys this story that my dad won this competition that looked like Magnum PI. Yeah, Tom Selleck. And so, what time, I mean, I went to like a back to school night, one of the teachers was like, is that Tom Selleck? Like, like whispering to somebody, next to him, he was like, that's my dad. You know, I was like, yes. Right, I mean, I feel like as a kid,

Starting point is 00:20:03 you're kind of like that where you think that's cool. I don't know. They don't Like is don't think either one of them do. No, I think it's cool. What I do. They like it But they're not like trying to show off or whatever. That's happened You already a few times where fans have come up to you when you're actually Yeah, well, and they don't and they the person has walked away and your kids don't automatically go like oh my god That's so cool. No, they're just like whatever. But I don't think it's reached their friends, that's why. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:20:28 I think it might be like if their friends say, you know, start listening. Who knows? Am I backfire? They may be like, oh my god, I'm so embarrassed, who knows? Oh, that's a good point. Maybe that's different. Like if they heard like that, like from somebody, like somebody who they think is cool, like their age, right?

Starting point is 00:20:40 Like the popular kid in school is like, your dad is my pump cell. But you know what, the man would be cool. Let me ask you guys this. Do you think like, your dad is my pump cell. But you know what, that would be cool. Let me ask you guys this. Do you think like, so that's just the loan. Have you seen these as a show with him and his kids or whatever, his daughter? Do you think his daughter is looked at their,

Starting point is 00:20:53 because he's dad, they know him, right? So they don't, do they think he's as cool as I think he is? Yeah, but I think, okay, so if I tried to, like if I could put myself in that scenario, it's hard for me because obviously I can't even imagine my family like that. But I feel like when you're at that age, when you're like middle school to high school, you want that type of fame or attention or you think that's cool.

Starting point is 00:21:17 That's why I think being a YouTuber and influencer is like one of the most popular things. So knowing that your dad is, I think, would be a cool thing. Like, oh, my dad, like, to the point where I would, like, it would be embarrassing as I would feel like your kid would actually be like bragging to his friends all the time. Like, I feel like that's what you, maybe behind my back. Would that be more common? Don't you think you would, you would get that?

Starting point is 00:21:37 Like, you'd hear your kid going like, oh, my dad's it. You know, you just isn't want you to see that, yeah. Well, she does like that guy, like some guys in her school have said, oh, your dad's buff, know, you just isn't want you to see that. Yeah. Well, she does like that guy, some guys in her school have said, oh, your dad's buff, he's kind of scary. She thought that was cool because they were scared. So I'm like, well, that's all right. She's like, they're scared of you.

Starting point is 00:21:54 Sorry, that's cool. Yeah, I mean, that's different. I don't know, dude. I don't know. Maybe it's because maybe behind my back, but I don't know, it was just funny because she did that, she walked away, you know? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:22:02 I mean, I guess it's no different thing because anybody who's in my family or close friends, like they don't think it's cool. I think they'd give me shit about it. Really? Oh yeah, yeah. I mean, my, obviously my son's too small to like even understand what's happening.

Starting point is 00:22:16 But like if it happens where someone runs into me like that in public and I'm with like a friend or a family member or so like that, like they razz me about it. Oh, you're so cool. You know what I'm saying today? friend or a family member. So with that, like they razz me about it. No, no, you're so cool. You don't say that today. Yeah. Fuck off from this.

Starting point is 00:22:29 I know, you might meet your friends. You know, yeah, they're almost annoyed by it. Yeah. But yeah, my kids are like all about it. It will mainly like, so ever it really wants to be a podcaster. Yeah, see, so they're at the perfect age where I think they would think it's cool. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:22:44 I'm like, we'll see, there's like a million, a good, a million podcasts now, but like, he's got, he's got an in though. He does have an in. We're gonna tell him whatever he says. Yeah. When we tell him to son, this that'll be sitting here instead of him. He'll be harassing him the whole time. No, that's hilarious. Do that guy speaking to kids my, my, my two and a half year old, bro, you know how they go through those leaps where they just their language just explodes overnight? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:23:10 I have this kid, man, he's got a mouth on him. It's what we were driving and he likes it when I rev the engine of the car, right? So it's cool. I'll kind of go a little fast and, you know, he likes it. But I'll go fast, go fast. So I'll do it a little bit, but then we're going through the neighborhood and he's like, go fast. I'm like, no, there's houses here. We have to be very careful. We don't want to rev. There's go fast. So I'll do it a little bit, but then we're going through the neighborhood and he's like, go fast. I'm like, no, there's houses here.

Starting point is 00:23:25 We have to be very careful. We don't want to rev. There's people walking. He's like, but you have a fast car and it's in sports mode right now. I'm like, so I can't, I mean, how do you know that sports mode? He's watching the dance, you know?

Starting point is 00:23:38 Oh, that's so cool. So he keeps talking to me and I look at him like, you know, but I love your brain. And he's like, you can't see my brain. Like the kid, man, he's like too much to do two-year-old kid. That's so cool. He's talking to me like that. I love that.

Starting point is 00:23:50 It's so funny. Right now we're continuing to go through it because we, so we went to this place called Wolf Lodge. Didn't even know this thing existed. If you guys ever heard of this, Wolf Lodge. Yeah. Have you heard of it? No.

Starting point is 00:24:03 I actually have. You have? So have you been to it or no? I have. I have water slides and all. Yeah. Have you heard of it? No. I actually have. Yeah. You have. So have you been doing it or no? I have like water slides and all inside. Yeah. Rose. So there's one in LA and there's one in Mantica of all places. Mantica always says it got it was built during COVID. So I hadn't seen it before that. And we went there for my best friend's kids birthday. And it is. It's this massive hotel that's attached to like a indoor water park outdoor water area arcade like it's where is it? because they just shut down raging waters indefinitely. Yeah, I heard that.

Starting point is 00:24:34 So yeah, it's I'm glad it's still doing well. It is over like it's massive. Like it's like a little mini water park Disneyland esque type of I mean, shouldn't say does he like doesn't have like rollercoaster rides. It's water parks, arcade, road climbing. So I never I drive that's my own where I used to grow up. So I go by their all time and even notice it. And it just finished and they had this massive party there.

Starting point is 00:25:00 And it was fucking packed. I mean, it was like, it's so funny because there's the thing that we're going through right now, like Katrina like blames me, like that is I don't like shit like that. I do not too many people. Yes, I don't like crowds like that. I can't get Courtney anywhere near in a amusement park. Yeah, I drag her in. I'm just not and and you know what? Like and I try and be I'm trying to be better, right? Like it's my my it's like for the kids and so like that. And so like I have to like actively inside,

Starting point is 00:25:29 like put it on and like, hey, let's go do this. It's like, inside of like, oh, you don't say like, do you not wanna do this? And I try to like to try and red carpet it for me as much as I can, like, band and do it all this stuff. But it doesn't isolate you. Yeah, yeah, I can fucking isolate myself. It's a room that we're no big come in. Yeah, it's just all't do it all this stuff. It doesn't isolate you. Yeah, so I can fucking isolate myself.

Starting point is 00:25:45 It doesn't put you in the room that we're no big company. Yes, dude, just all, I did all that stuff. I made you check to see the rent the whole park out there. Well, so yeah, I do ask some crazy stuff. Like, can we get this in the area of this? I'll pay for this area, so just, anyways, we go there. And the kids, of course, the kids, the all the kids just, they don't give a shit

Starting point is 00:26:02 that it's really good. Oh, yeah, yeah. More of the barrier for them. But my son was like not having it. Oh, he's like you. And he was like, yeah, covering daddy too loud, daddy too loud. Like he literally like sat in a corner

Starting point is 00:26:14 and covered his ears with too loud. And like I had to take him out of the water park area. He wouldn't go on any of the slides. They want nothing to do, none of it. But Katrina blames me. Oh, shit. And you know what, I say I go like see, my son's just like me. He doesn't like shit like that.

Starting point is 00:26:28 You know what I'm saying? We're the same way. And she's like, no, he can fill your energy. And he can, he's picking up on your way. Why doesn't he pick up her energy? Yeah, that's why I was like, right? And she's like, he's, he's aware that you're unhappy and he can feel you're unhappy. So then he just goes right along with you. I'm like, no, it's not like that. He's like, you're unhappy and he can feel you're unhappy. So then he just goes right along with you.

Starting point is 00:26:45 I'm like, no, it's not like that. He's like, he's like me. He just doesn't like that. He doesn't like all the people and all the craziness like that. So I couldn't, yeah, here it is right here. Oh, wow. I mean, on video, it looks really cool. Oh, wow.

Starting point is 00:26:57 Yeah. That looks fun. I did all this stuff with my niece. She was there. I mean, in my buddy's kids, they all, it was great for them. They're kids that they thought it was awesome. Not really my vibe. Not really maxes vibe. Yeah. And so I ended up spending a lot of time in the hotel room with him. But you know, you know, you know, it's funny. It's really bad. It means most people, you know, it's most people don't like,

Starting point is 00:27:20 but you're not alone. I mean, maybe you're a little more extreme, but most people don't like being in big crowds. This is why usually when there's big crowds in areas, there's alcohol. That's why there's alcohol. People think, oh, it needs like, I can mosh my way through. That alcohol is so, it's so, it's so, it's so,

Starting point is 00:27:38 every corner there's a bar in here. Of course. Cause the parents are feeling like you, like I didn't get a drink, so I can be in this place. Oh, guys, yeah. Think about that overwhelming. How many people go to bars and have to have a few dreams before they could start to relax a little bit Yeah, yeah, it's true. It's a it's a natural state for us. Yeah, I mean cool concepts I totally thought the concept was super cool like I had no idea that even anything like this exists

Starting point is 00:27:59 But it's like the only thing around so you I mean it gets gets like everybody from the Bay Area, to the Valley, like, dude, speaking of alcohol, I read the stupidest study I've ever read in my life the other day. I sometimes studies, you just know, they're bullshit. Can't tell by the title. You just know, sometimes you look at the study and you're like, this is bullshit.

Starting point is 00:28:20 Okay, so there was a study published in the Journal of Studies on Alcohol and Drug. And basically it said, I'll read the title of the article because reading the study itself kind of sound confusing. This is the article. Beer goggles don't exist, scientists find. Next time somebody makes the beer goggles excuse, bring up this study. Okay, really?

Starting point is 00:28:42 It's not true, really. So you don't drink alcohol and end up hooking up with people you would have never wanted to be with. They've already proven that. They've already proven that it lowers your inhibition. Yeah, inhibition. I know. So if that, I mean, that's exactly what would cause that. So how is that? Well, it says, what's there? So perception of physical attractiveness, PPA is a fundamental aspect of human relationships that may help explain alcohol's rewarding and harmful effects.

Starting point is 00:29:07 So they study in relation to alcohol and here's what they found. Alcohol did not affect traditional PPA ratings but did significantly enhance the likelihood that participants would choose to interact with the most attractive targets, inclusions. Although alcohol did not affect traditional PPA ratings, alcohol did increase, okay.

Starting point is 00:29:27 So no, there's just trying to cut it away. He's excuses, I'm like, listen. Oh, so you're actually attracted to female looking tracks. The next question is, who put the study on and what is it? Yeah, funded by the beer, big beer. Yeah, the beer industry funded this.

Starting point is 00:29:42 Oh, no, beer doesn't affect who you hook up with. I hear us. There's a bunch of dudes right now are like, oh, whoo. I don't know about that. Hey, more random stuff. I saw this article. I didn't get a chance to like fact check

Starting point is 00:29:55 to see how many airports and train stations and what are doing this, but supposedly crocs are getting banned. Why? They're getting hooked. Why do they sound so mad, Red? You know what those say? Yeah, yeah. whole new- Why do they sound so mad right now? You know what they'll say?

Starting point is 00:30:06 Yeah, so much. So much. I just got into them. Yeah. They're my- They're my- They're my- They're my- They're my-

Starting point is 00:30:15 They're my- They're my- They're my- They're my- They're my- They're my- They're my- They're my-

Starting point is 00:30:23 They're my- They're my- They're my- They're my- They're my- They're my- They're my- They're my- They're my- They're my- like the escalators, not the ones on the make the, like you go like the level ones, not like the actual people move. Yeah, what do you call those? They're not an escalators, what goes up, right? So what are the ones that just go down as a deescalator? I don't know, I'm just kidding. Look at see, there it is. Oh my god, it's a man from escalators.

Starting point is 00:30:38 Yeah. In some airports, train stations and shopping centers. Come on, bro, if it can happen, it's a be a tension. Is it the strap? No, is there like a strap that goes over? What's the app for the top? Kid, fact.

Starting point is 00:30:50 By the way, my daughter told me with Crocs. So you know how you have the strap that you can either put it behind your wall. Or there's a term, there's a term for it. My daughter says when you put it behind your ankle in sport mode. Yeah, sport, yeah. There is a term like that.

Starting point is 00:31:02 I forget what they call the two. When they call the, so all those stupid little decals, they have the pogs or whatever. Oh, yeah, you can put the little, the things inside of them. Hey, listen to that. You can do it. Hey, oh, yeah, my son was getting all those.

Starting point is 00:31:14 Crocs were so considered so ugly that they put them in a idiocracy as the shoe. I know, I brought this up, dude. Yeah, it was crazy, like to see. And now the super popular. Yeah, yeah, they literally researched like, what was the ugliest thing out there, right? Now that looks kind of weird.

Starting point is 00:31:29 So I always think something like this is a massive troll by somebody famous who did it. Like I always think like when you see like a terrible trend like these, somebody goes like, somebody who's like, soup, like tell me you wouldn't do this, okay? If we were like like Uber famous, right? Like Britney Spears, Tom Cruise, like level up.

Starting point is 00:31:47 We're all friends. I'm like, hey, let's start it. This you can start the crazy thing. Yeah, let's do it. I would totally be starting the trend. Let's do you can start the stupidest trend. You know, Zeta, we make a bet. Hey, smart, we're in a meat jacket.

Starting point is 00:31:59 Hey, the people who don't think this is possible for a good six month period, kids were wearing pants and shirts backwards because of Chris Cross. Oh, longer than that. It was a while. Like, literally we would show off with our jeans on backwards because all my best friends, I was like, what are you doing?

Starting point is 00:32:15 I never bought into that one. I was like, that's just takes too much work. I mean, literally started that with that. It's really, I mean, that book hitmaker is on Paxis. Like the true definition of like, virality is just a couple of really famous people promote something. I mean, that's what it is.

Starting point is 00:32:30 It's like, when you have three people that have five million followers, like you instantly can impact a massive part of the population. Speaking of style, like I said, took my daughter shopping. Yeah. She bought what look like Janko jeans, not that big. Oh, yeah, they're all bottoms are back here.'s not bell bottoms a straight big ones the disco duck ones

Starting point is 00:32:48 Then she but then she got some bus a deed of some bus which you guys may fund me for wearing the guess what the back of style I think they're went out the back of the certain group of it's all like 90s dude Like if you go to the mall right now all the kids look like they could totally fit in when we were in high school You know what I mean? You know that my snowboarding boots are Adidas's sawmas. That's their style this. Oh yeah. Yeah. I just kind of wear the same thing, dude. Eventually they're gonna be in style like twice. He's gonna rough it out for 20 years. It's got a rough out of his 20 years because eventually you have the weird old man that you don't make it his way back around. Hey, are you guys following the the fight drama that's going on between

Starting point is 00:33:30 Logan Paul and Dylan. Yeah, dude. He's the he the stuff he's talking about is fucking free on saying stuff. Are you watching it? It's getting crazy Like uncomfortable personal. I haven't seen the latest, but no, yeah, he was digging He's got like videos and stuff of homeboys wife, right? Yeah, and he's like I'll release it the latest, but no, yeah, he was digging. He's got videos and stuff of Homeboy's wife, right? And he's like, I'll release it. Oh, man, that's kind of a little too personal. It's going too long. Do you think though that that's sort of agreement

Starting point is 00:33:53 between each other? So that's why I'm asking you, because I'm wondering how much of this is like real. Yeah, how much is like, well, I think it's real, right? I think the stuff that they're, he's the rumor. I mean, but he knows it's gonna fuel you. You have to know that this is the direction. Okay, so the further we get away from the sport

Starting point is 00:34:11 and being truly about the art of the sport and two great craftsmen at their sport getting after each other, and the more it becomes about the drama, the more and more we're gonna see like Ricky Lake and Mori Povit, right? Yeah, for sure. It's, I mean, that's, that's what you're springer.

Starting point is 00:34:28 Yeah, Jerry Springer. I mean, it's literally, we're playing right into that, like the crazier, more outlandish and ridiculous, the drama and the stories are, the higher the pay-per-views would be. At what point is it gonna get too far, though? It starts to get uncomfortable. Like, they're talking to my ch others wives and like, how, like, so I don't think it going to get too far though? It starts to get uncomfortable. Like they're talking to my ch others wives and like how like,

Starting point is 00:34:46 so I don't, I don't think it'll ever get. I mean, because the Paul brought, they bring us on themselves. Here's the masters of, here's what'll happen. So all it's going to do is, it'll carve out the opportunity for, for both to exist. What I mean by that is, professionalism versus. Yeah, I mean, because those shows still exist Yeah, everybody everybody knows Jerry Springer is ridiculous. Yeah, there's still millions of people that tune into it

Starting point is 00:35:12 Yeah, let's just hope it's gonna go too far I remember what happened the 90s with hip hop where they would talk shit about each other on songs and then it starts shooting each other Yeah, they cross paths that a casino and you know Cuz this is like really, I've got videos and thousands of his wife. I know, but that could also be the justice point. I mean, again, if it's like Jerry Springer, then it's staged. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:35:33 You know, then half of it is staged. How much do you kind of miss the like those reveals where it's like, you know, like, you've been cheating on me. Did you see the pack of cigarettes on my shirt? Oh, it's like dude, and then he comes out and he's like, hey, this are making us. I said, no.

Starting point is 00:35:48 Did you see the pack of cigarettes? One of the I share the other day? Yeah, it was a Jerry Springer old clip. And it was a guy that girls just like, tell him like, I, you know, I have to tell you, when you were out of town last week, I went with like, you know, Dave, his best friend. And then we spent the night together, we had sex. And then he, and it's like, you know, Dave, his best friend, and then we spent the night

Starting point is 00:36:05 together, we had sex, and then he, and it's like, it does the music, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

Starting point is 00:36:16 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah 50 bucks. The she gets mad. Yeah, come on, dude. Oh, I know. That's classic, dude. Did you guys, so this was interesting. I got mixed feelings about this. So our great governor of California, Gavin Newsom,

Starting point is 00:36:35 did you say that again? This is not accurate. Did you see truthful here? Did you see his complete 180 on how they handled COVID and the policies here in California? Yeah, I don't understand. He basically got interviewed. He said, basically, I mean, maybe Doug can look up the quote, look up Gavin, do some COVID remarks, something along the lines of, I'm

Starting point is 00:36:57 his pretty strong statement, like we did everything wrong in hindsight. I would go back in time, I would do everything different, or something along those lines. So let's speculate, I'll have to watch this. There are two options here, I think. Option one, he's sincere. He literally learned his lesson. He looked back and said, damn it. We really messed up. I'll never do that again. Or two, do you think that there's some internal pulling that they're looking at right now? And they're like, uh-oh, this, maybe we'll... Well, didn't like all that. This is bad, we better hurry up and reverse on all this.

Starting point is 00:37:31 Yeah, what's this say there? Yeah, it's no longer divisive, that's why, right? I mean, it was like at one point, it was like divide everybody by, there's, there's, but now everybody's become, even the people that were like crazy about COVID early on are gone like, oh, looks like we went a little too far, we went way too far. Do you know what's even, even the people that were like crazy about COVID early on are gone like, oh, it looks like we went a little too far with stuff.

Starting point is 00:37:46 We went way too far. Do you know what's even, what's renewing? And I really far. I said this on the podcast during the pandemic and it's actually happened. Politicians are coming out and they're lying. We never forced anybody. It was all voluntary.

Starting point is 00:37:59 Right. We never, people never lost jobs. Never lost a job. These are politicians actually saying this. Are there lawsuits that are out there? I mean, there's a total of lawsuits out there. Oh yeah. But now, but this, I think what happened

Starting point is 00:38:10 is they looked at internal polling and they're like, uh oh, worst-grude. If we don't, like, what are we gonna do? We need to come out and apologize in reverse course because otherwise, we're not gonna get reelected. That's how strongly people feel about this. I was talking to Doug about this other day when you guys were here and he was talking about

Starting point is 00:38:25 like the, of course, the handful of one stars that we get is always in time. We mentioned politics and stuff from the podcast. And it's always stay in your lane. But I mean, he brings up a good point, right? He brought up his like, so what? Leave it to the CNN and Fox, Fox news people. Like, they're so qualified. They're, they're, they get it all right. I know, that's what the irony of that, right? And it's like, yeah, that's their entire lane and they got it wrong. Leave it to those people that are lying and that have a bias to talk about it,

Starting point is 00:38:54 not other people that have no skin of the game, don't give a shit, have no bias, don't let us have a conversation about it. Meanwhile, it affects us 100%. So it's like, how can we not talk about certain things? Just to iron any of that. I mean, we try to be balanced as I think is the biggest point to it all. Well, there's a lot of stuff that's really weird right now.

Starting point is 00:39:12 The, the, it was a governor of New Mexico tried to suspend open and concealed carry laws in the state because of some gun violence or whatever. And get, and everybody went against her, including Democrats, including, what's that one, David Hogg? Remember that kid on social media, super anti-shooting. He was one of the kids at the park, I was at Parkland or whatever shooting.

Starting point is 00:39:36 And he became the super advocate for gun safety. He even came out and he said, I'm all for gun safety, but this definitely violates the constitution. I'm like, what just, did we go into another universe? What is happening? I think the polling is showing. There's a big swing. Yeah, cultural shift. That's happening, you know, because she did that and they're even talking about impeaching her. Wow for trying to really. Yes. Oh, I didn't. Yeah, I know. Yeah, which is really, really crazy. Anyway, you guys would laugh because maybe Justin would appreciate this.

Starting point is 00:40:06 Those gluten-free nuggets on butcher box are now, and I say I know you like nuggets so much. They are now, they're becoming meals. I love kids for me. Oh, for you. Yeah, I haven't been dying. Well, I'll eat 12 of them. And that's it. That'll be my meal. I did tell Katrina that the last time.

Starting point is 00:40:20 They're the best nuggets. I'm going to say they're the best. Yeah, they're hell of a good nuggets. I mean, why do I feel shame about that? Yeah, they're so good. They're the best, I'm gonna say they're the best. Yeah, they're hell of a good. Nuggets. I mean, why do you feel shame about that? Yeah, they're so good. At least they're not dank for it. I told him the last time we brought him up on the show, I told Katrina when I got home,

Starting point is 00:40:32 I'm like, hey, next time we do our butcher boss, could you do a double order? So I, because right now I feel guilty. They're like, Max is like, do you mean his food? Yeah, so I won't eat them. I'll pick out them when he has them, but I won't like make a meal out of it yet,

Starting point is 00:40:43 but if we get an extra package and they're not just good. They're carrots and sliced apples. They're the best nuggets I've ever had. Period in the summer. No, they are. They're going to have what they they crushed it with. They don't really. I still have yet. I have them. I saw Katrina today in our meeting. I saw she was eating one of the the egg. Oh, I have. Yeah those yet. Yeah, the egg bites. You've already done that, right? I did, and it's, I mean, again, I don't want to be a dead horse with this no cheese thing, but like, so they have the sausage ones,

Starting point is 00:41:13 which I think are the best ones. They have cheese, but the other ones I can eat, it's the bacon and like chives, I think. Oh, so there's one with no cheese? Yeah. Oh, good, so then I can't do that. Yeah, okay. Awesome.

Starting point is 00:41:23 All right, so it's you, right? Adam, that uses the BPC under the skin sub-Q. Yeah. How often do you do that? Not often at all, right? I only do it for injuries. Oh, so you're only acutely. Yeah, so anytime I fat, the last one I had, like in my hip flexor kind of like high

Starting point is 00:41:39 quad area, I was like had an issue. I mean, every time I've used that thing. So I have the, so I was doing the oral. So people don't know, BPC stands for body protection compound. So it's BPC 157 and it dramatically speeds up healing and recovering in the body, regeneration. Also helps produce nitric oxide. So you get better pumps, blood flow.

Starting point is 00:42:03 It helps with the formation of blood vessels. So it's like this rebuilding type of compound peptide that you can use, it's extremely safe. Anyway, I was using the oral one for my gut and I was loving it. I called our people at MPHormons. I said, I wanna try the sub-Q version because it's supposed to be stronger,

Starting point is 00:42:21 less localized to the gut, but more systemic. So they sent me a bunch of bottles, and I was squatting heavy, and every time I go real heavy, I gotta be careful, because my left ankle, ever since I injured it years ago, my mobility isn't that great,

Starting point is 00:42:34 and I'll feel it in my left knee. My left knee will feel a little tight, feels like miniscus, you know, kind of swelling. So I know you're supposed to inject near the injury, so I did it under the skin right where the knee is, where the meniscus is. Okay, it's weird. The next day my knee felt 100%. So I told Jessica I said, this is not, this is weird.

Starting point is 00:42:53 Like it can't be okay the day after. This is wild. I've been continuing to use it. This is probably day seven. And now I just do it for systemic, right? Profound. Like energy, I feel phenomenal energy, reduced inflammation everywhere, better pumps.

Starting point is 00:43:10 This is crazy stuff. Remember when Dr. Seed said this is the one peptide you'd have everybody take? Yeah. I can see why. I've never used it like this before. I only did the oral one. It's because when you take it consistently every day

Starting point is 00:43:23 is like prophylactically, is that what they call it? That's if you're so it's it's pro recovery it's good for inflammation. You can take it every day. You don't have to take it just for injuries. Yeah. And that's how a lot of athletes and people have heard it. Yes. Again, other doctors even starting to kind of remit like recommend that it would be something they'd consider. It's the most recommended peptide of all the peptides. Yeah, it has some of the most positive benefits as far as like all of it. So the top three, Motsi for CPC 157 and semi-glutide, right? Some of them. I haven't tried some of glutide.

Starting point is 00:43:53 No, no, I'm not saying personal. This is like what, like the reviews and what you look at, what everything that's been used and researched, those three tend to have the most positive feedback. Yeah, I would say so. Maybe the growth hormone release there's a little bit too, but the BPC, I like actually more than much even. Really?

Starting point is 00:44:14 Yes, I do. Because I like the MOTC, but I feel like cycling off and then coming back on to be the move with that. Yeah, you know, you notice it for the first six weeks. Just kind of taper off. Yeah, I don't know, man. I feel phenomenal in the BPC, like phenomenal.

Starting point is 00:44:29 My workouts feel different, everything feels different. It's pretty crazy. To the point where I'm like diving really deep into the research because I didn't expect to notice this much. I thought I would have like a little less like working. Wasn't it too the time, like it lowers inflammation a bit. I know the brain inflammation for me, like I can feel different. CTE, what's his name?

Starting point is 00:44:48 J Campbell, he made a joke about that, but that's true. Yeah. So people who like play football or whatever, probably a good idea. It's constant. Fee PC is also inexpensive. It's one of the more inexpensive petites. Oh really? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:45:02 So it's accessible for most people from that regard. I still want to take the pill form because I want to try that from my gut. I got really? Yeah. So it's accessible for most people from that regard. I still want to take the pill form, because I want to try that from my gut. So you're gut? Yeah. So I'm not going to get any real benefit to my gut by taking it subjectively. Well, that's not true.

Starting point is 00:45:14 People also report lots of gut stuff. Now, my gut is excellent since I've been using it. However, I was also using the oral version before. OK. But when I'm going through, because here's a deal, I go through and I read studies, and then I read anecdotes. I read a lot of anecdotes, I go in forums,

Starting point is 00:45:28 and a lot of people remark on their gut health just even from using the subcue. Oh, interesting. Yep. Okay, well, the maybe, because I have, you have your psoriasis, you should use it all the time. Like on my psoriasis?

Starting point is 00:45:39 No, no, no, no, no, just do it in your stomach, like, you know, like whatever. But that's why I wanted to do the pill form. I thought that would be, no. They for skin, you could topically apply it. So you could get a cream and put it on. But try, since you already have it, I would just do that every morning.

Starting point is 00:45:54 Yeah, I do have, I have a card, I actually have a card a few of the BBC, what can you see in bottles? I have that more than probably anything else. Cause I was only using it whenever I'd have like little injuries. I take that for a few days. It's actually scary how fast.

Starting point is 00:46:07 That I was just going to say. So I was telling my cousin because he's like, what? Because he's had some kind of chronic shoulder stuff. And I told him I said, the only thing I'll say to you, because what I've experienced with my knee is because my knee couldn't have possibly healed that fast. Okay, I want to be very clear. I think that was the anti-inflammatory effects

Starting point is 00:46:23 that I noticed right away. The healing, there's no way I could in 24 hours heal. So I told him I said, if you use it, be perclosious with your training, even if you feel good, because it's not possible that I would heal whatever was happening in just the day. But I could see how I would push it. And then maybe hurt myself even more

Starting point is 00:46:40 because I had less pain. I wish we, I wish, I didn't, I thought I asked this one when we first were partnering out with a, like, professional't, I thought I asked this one when we first were partnering out with them. Like, it's professional teams have got to be using this. I don't think BPC's banned. Yeah, right. We might want to look it up.

Starting point is 00:46:52 See, if, what is, what is the, the governing? I don't, I would be like, I don't think it's banned, but I think they can't talk about it. I think like the athletes can't talk about it. You know that BPC, you know what else it does? Upregulates growth hormone receptors. So whenever growth hormone you currently have in your body becomes more... Well, I know a doctor.

Starting point is 00:47:08 He's talked about that a bit because he had a huge facility where like proathletes come in. And yeah, and so he would have to work within certain rules and guidelines for different sports, but like he could treat, you know, with certain peptides. Yeah, from what I've ever seen. They have to be used.

Starting point is 00:47:25 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So let's see what it says here. So I want to see if it's banned. It's not a legal peptide to support, okay. US entity open agency and we're banned, it is banned. It is banned. It is banned. Oh wow.

Starting point is 00:47:39 On January 1st, 2022, so just last year. So it definitely works. Yeah, it depends. It's probably the only way you can. Yeah. How do they test that though? Like, if you're running back, you get your ACL torn. I don't think they could test for it. Yeah. The peptide breaks down so fast. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:47:54 And here's the thing, like, why wouldn't you want your athlete to heal up in recover so he can come back? It's a massive asset to the sport. I don't know. In terms of it being like a performance enhancement, I guess. I the default those to ban it first, but that's a good thing. Because it poses a potential advantage for somebody and until it becomes like a widely separate and accepted, the first move is ban it. And then I wasn't like things like creatine

Starting point is 00:48:19 originally when they fit when it first hit the part. They talked about maybe banning every band. Yeah. What happens a lot of times when something like that big comes out, they bend it first and then it's like, let's go through our homework and then we'll figure out. I just feel like, yeah, I don't know, man, it's crazy to me. Even fans want it, like the owners obviously want it, like the team wants it. Well, it's a pro, let's get them healthy and heal.

Starting point is 00:48:37 It's a pro-health peptide. It's not like taking something that just improves athletic performance. This is a pro health, it improves health, so it's not anti-health, like some of the other performance enhancers that these athletes are using. You know, I was thinking the other day,

Starting point is 00:48:52 I had somebody send me a message about exercise selection, and then I realized something that I think is pretty true, I'd love your guys' input on this. So the person asked me, what is more valuable when training? Is it better to do less exercises for more sets or more exercises for less sets? Now I know it's complicated because volume isn't exactly volume. Less exercise. I asked them how long have you been working out? And he only been working out for a year so that's definitely that. Yeah. So that would be that's a good quiet That's a good so if you have somebody who's extremely advanced There's lots of benefits to doing a bunch of new bunch of different exercises that are unique different because

Starting point is 00:49:37 Their ability to adapt to it and and figure out the movement and then it's more Right, I mean in any sport direction, like again, the famous like you only throw like two or three different punches. Oh, Boxer, you master it. versus martial. Yeah. I guess the same kind of concept applies where it's like,

Starting point is 00:49:55 you're just, you're trying to practice, you know, these movements and to do that with adequate recovery, you know, you could, you could spread that out by adding more sets. Well, look, take a beginner. Are they better off doing 10 sets of barbell squats or doing one set of barbell squats, one set of another one, one set of something?

Starting point is 00:50:10 You know, it's better off to just get better at squats. Yeah, you get better at it. But the more advanced you get, then more exercises, I think, starts to present for sure, more value, for sure. You knew variables. So that, yeah, good, that's exactly what I thought too. And I noticed that with my own training, you know?

Starting point is 00:50:24 So, yeah. Well, I wish I could promote this, like, that's exactly what I thought too. And I noticed that with my own training, you know? So, yeah. Well, I wish I could promote this like sled a bit more, but I've been doing a lot of drags and pushes and stuff outside my property and uphill and everything. And then what's cool about it is I could put these kettlebells and dumbbells like on, you know, the area in the middle. And so I'll just like stop after I'm doing that and get a lift and I'm doing everything outside in the sun. It's I'll just like stop after I'm doing that and get a lift and I'm

Starting point is 00:50:45 doing everything outside in the sun. It's like such a nice change of opinion. So you have a sled like a wagon. Yeah, it's basically a wagon. So there's two handles on both sides of it and you can pull from both angles. And so there's this like sort of trough in the middle of it. You can put weights in there. You could stack, you know stack plates if you want, but I've just put like a couple of heavy kettlebells in there in the middle. And then what I do is I'll stop and I'll do a workout. And it's gonna create workout. And then you drive it to a place

Starting point is 00:51:14 and then do some exercises, drive it back. But just like mentally, it's like you're doing something completely different. You're moving with the exercises. And so anyway, I've been having a lot of fun. What's the name of this? These are, it's called a what's like? Torx leg.

Starting point is 00:51:28 That's right. Because it's got the wheels that you can have resistance. Those are, they're super cool. I've been training. I, uh, this last, like, I don't know, maybe this, pretty much this summer. Ever since we moved to this new place, I trained outside in the weekends. Because it's, I got to, I have to turf out in the backyard. We've just got there.

Starting point is 00:51:42 Like barbell, dumbbells, plates. And I just, I just do, yeah, I just got the barbell dumbbells, plates, and I just do, yeah, I love it. I actually've never had that ability. I've never had a house where it, like I, the setup for outside made a lot of sense for me to be able to train. And it's like perfect.

Starting point is 00:51:56 So I grew up training in my backyard as a kid, and I used to love taking the dumbbells and the barbells out from under the patio cover, and working out in the sun. I loved it. I always loved it. I wish if I built a gym for sure it would have a retractable width. I would have a roof that could retract. Boom, some coming in its all live. Yeah, I mean, we live now in this time where many people have jobs where you're under fluorescent lights all day or in buildings and I just really appreciate that. And it's just an easy, I'm gonna get my hour training anyways.

Starting point is 00:52:27 Why, if it's good weather, like why not? I have a theory too that it's more anabolic. I really do. I mean, of course you can make that case. Yeah, because you're getting the vitamin D synthesis with cholesterol, that's your body's, you know, converting to the vitamin D, cholesterol's role and recovery, muscle building.

Starting point is 00:52:44 I think even your body heating up, like, is your upper son too? No, I'm sure there's lots of ways you could spend that as, yeah, no, it feels beneficial. I mean, you could just feel being out there, it feels good. I mean, you guys moods increased for me. Yeah, I mean, you guys ever worked out at Venice Beach? Like the one that's outside the other one.

Starting point is 00:52:58 We went that one time, we walked through the, the muscle, yeah, we didn't do it. That was always on my list when I was all jacked and I never did it, I was really mad. That's the only way I would want to do it. I would actually agree on that. Right now, I'm taking a shirt off. I'm average guy right now, I wouldn't want to do it. That was always on my list when I was all jacked and I never did it. I was really mad. That's the only way I would want to do it. I want to do it. Right now I'm taking a shirt off. I'm average guy right now.

Starting point is 00:53:08 I wouldn't want to do it right now. I want to do it when I'm like, yeah, yeah. You know, there's not make it on the news. You know, when they're always like a news care that's around them, they're like, oh, there's the buff guy. Let's fucking get it.

Starting point is 00:53:17 Yeah. Well, what's the buff guy do? Yeah. Yeah. You know, if someone comes, hey, sir, so it looks like you just start a strength. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:53:25 Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what that feels very. Yeah. So how you going to think it's not this food is part of you? Oh, don't they have chairs like bleachers for people to watch people working. I think they do outside. I think I've seen that. Yeah, a few of those bleaching.

Starting point is 00:53:42 How would you feel lifting and you'd have like people like clap after you're done? Hey, hey, did ever tell you what that happened to me? That would be weird. That happened to me. Clapping after you do a set? Swart of God. I swore. So I went to, I was, uh, nine, I was 19.

Starting point is 00:53:57 Yeah, a lot of weird people after you did. No, stop. Listen, I was 19 or 12. You tried to get tracers. That's what, listen, this was a long time ago. So this is over 20 years. This is amazing. This is you want to watch me. Yeah. This is over 20 years ago. I went, I went to Sicily to visit family. My cousin, he was an arm wrestling competitor,

Starting point is 00:54:16 and he was lifting weights, and he took me to a gym. Now, there weren't a lot of gyms at the time in the town that he lived. There was one gym, it was in this dudes basement, so it was like a big thing. And I was, let's see, I was 19, I had bulked up to like, 220 something, I was definitely not a very cut, 220, whatever, but I was kind of, you know, thick or whatever. And I went with them to work out in this gym, he was so proud of taking this cousin, right?

Starting point is 00:54:39 Cause I, you know, cause I looked like I work out, nobody else would be. And I remember I went there and they were stacking plates on there and I'm lifting, they kept adding plates to see how much I could do. And I remember I went there and they were stacking plates on there and I'm lifting, they kept adding plates to see how much I could do. And I did a set and I stopped and then there were like 10 people that were working out and they all stopped in the clap. It was the weirdest thing I ever thought about.

Starting point is 00:54:56 It was so weird to do this. It was so weird. At that point, my pump, Sal was born. That was the moment I felt it. That you go with the that was born. Yeah, that's what it is. Here it is today. The ego was developed there. That was the moment I felt it. I mean, you could go down to life. So you've created, you could go down to the,

Starting point is 00:55:10 the, the golds, Bernal, or it used to be golds. It's now something else. Ain't nobody clap for me there. No, no, no. Somebody goes there. Oh, no. But I mean, what I was going to say was we, there would be so many of us that were competitors

Starting point is 00:55:20 that were in there that people would definitely stop and watch and watch you work out for sure. But I mean, that's just, I mean, even being a trainer when you used to work on the gym, people staring watch. But you put three, four pro bodybuilders all training together, it's a spectacle. How, now see, isn't that piss you off? If someone's watching me just to watch me, I'm in such a zone.

Starting point is 00:55:38 When I'm in that mode, like, I don't know they were watching you, though. Because you can see people's crowding around. What is that? Is that real? Can you really feel, like, because I feel like you can feel somebody looking at you even when you don't know, they were watching them. Because you can see people's crowding around. What is that? Is that real? Can you really feel, like, because I feel like you can feel somebody looking at you even when you don't know.

Starting point is 00:55:49 You know, they, I think they've done studies on that. I'm like, like, some kind of directed, I, like, it was sense. I don't know. They've done studies on that. Now, Google, can people feel when people would be, I swear by it, dude, I swear I can feel so much staring at me, dude.

Starting point is 00:56:04 I don't know, bro, Adam and I always stare, you never noticed. I noticed, we're both sitting here, we're just, we're just, I pretend I got, I don't know. It's just going on. Let's just see if there's a study. Because I feel like there may be, I know during the cold war, they did studies on remote viewing. And men who stare at goats.

Starting point is 00:56:18 Didn't they actually came back? Can we read something before about moms having eyes in the back of their head is a true phenomenon? Like they've talked about that before. My mom did. No, is like a true like phenomenon like they talked about that before my mom did no I mean, I thought we I thought we referred to something about that one You let their hair in as actual They have like that six cents they have another sensibility to be able to like no like when their their kids are falling or Danger when they're quiet. Yeah, that's me now

Starting point is 00:56:40 That's me with my little one. I'm like wait a minute. It's been quiet for a while. Where's the Yeah, that's me now. That's me with my little one. I'm like, wait a minute, it's been quiet for a while. Where is he? Is it the toy of like, Sonic sense? Well, don't look at everything. So remote viewing is where they would have people who claim they were psychic and they would sit in a room

Starting point is 00:56:54 and draw pictures of the enemy's bases and what's going on. Yeah. And they did studies on remote viewing and they found them to be statistically better than random. Well, also there's something that you've ever seen that they've done where they have a monkey pick to stock market. No, that's better than saying.

Starting point is 00:57:12 You know what random. This is like it's a dude. Didn't they have had some crazy like group that were actually able to go through and like see see classified documents, report exactly what was on them, and then that's where they pulled funding after. It was a say-do. Yeah, it's called gay's detection or gay's perception. Neurological studies have found that the brain cells that initiate this responsibility precise.

Starting point is 00:57:45 Hold on, hold on, hold on, wait, wait, wait. Okay, I know, I can't. Sorry, I can't. I've got just children in here, all right. So it says neurological studies have found that brain cells that initiate this response are very precise. If someone turns their gaze off of you by turning just a few degrees to the left to right,

Starting point is 00:58:02 that eerie feeling quickly fades. They suggest that a complex neural network is behind Gaze protection. I like Gaze on. Anyway, what were you gonna say, so? Nets me, bro. Just that Justin's got really strong Gaze perception. He does.

Starting point is 00:58:20 He picks up on things on. It's all energies, Gaze. It's Gaze Dars crazy, bro. Gaze Dars crazy, bro. Gaysdars? Oh my God. I'm gonna shout out guys. Yeah, who's our shout out?

Starting point is 00:58:31 Doug save us. Who's our man? I know, I actually picked this one. Bang Greenfield and Bang Greenfield Fitness because he's been posted in videos with him and his kids doing old time strength. Yeah dude, so I gave him, because he asked me, he's like,

Starting point is 00:58:43 hey, can I follow old time's prank? I'm like, sure. I think it's so rare that he's going through it. Yeah, and they're doing windmills and the full thing, like the single arm deadlift. It only took us eight years to impress him enough to do one of our programs. I know.

Starting point is 00:58:56 Well, finally, it's a competition piece in there. So I think that's what he's waiting for. Let's just wait for the, you know, hey, you guys. Yeah, I think you could have done this. You just want us to smash us at it. That's how he's doing. Oh, he could have done this. He just wants to smash us at it. Oh, he already can, dude. I know he's so, you guys can move so well. Probably.

Starting point is 00:59:10 I don't think so. I think Justin would probably be able to beat him up most of the things. Actually, yeah. Yeah. What he'll be all of us at is he'll do that and then go for a 10 mile run. Yeah, he'll do some crazy swim on or do some body hang

Starting point is 00:59:22 for fucking. That's what I want to do that again. I give a shit about that. Or sit in a chair like a vulture. And it does that on his toes. So he's actually following posting videos. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:59:31 Wow. And it's great to see. I mean, it's cool. He's got his kids like involved too. I love to see that. And I'll joke against that love band. Yeah. Yeah.

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Starting point is 01:00:26 Yes sir first of all Justin great name second of all. I noticed you've been wearing a Cardinals hat and since you have been our team's been in last place we haven't had that happen tonight. Take it off though. You're welcome. I appreciate that. No, anyway so I dabble in ultra running

Starting point is 01:00:42 before David Goggins made it popular, but I've had like a trending issue happen. Like around mile 12 to 15, I think it's my abductors or my hip flexors seem to go out every single time. So I just revert to having the like power hikes the rest of my runs. And I was just wanting to know, how do do I like what exercises can I do to? Strengthen them. I mean, I do like the butterfly kicks. I've done the abductor machines I know you guys say that you're not really big fan of those

Starting point is 01:01:14 I mean, I squat I do all the right things I wait live seven days a week, but as far as Just my overall running at mile 15. It seems to shut down I'm able to finish most of my runs, but like I did a hundred mileer last year running at mile 15. It seems a shut down. I'm able to finish most of my runs But like I did a hundred mileer last year and at mile 50 it was just I was done So anything you guys can do to help I'd appreciate it. You said so you said hip flexors or abductors Yeah, so is this in the front? Yeah, it's in the front my my groin. It's the muscle at first using my IT band I seem to work through that pain.

Starting point is 01:01:45 And I was just, every time I lift my legs, it's almost like, it's just these sharp pains are going through my entire body. And it's so, I mean, it's so painful. It's like, one of those races, I felt like stopping. It was so bad. So that's why I kind of revert to having a power hike. Yeah, so there's probably an imbalance that's going on.

Starting point is 01:02:03 And I would guess that it has to do with your core and core stability, and once your core starts to fatigue, that's when you're probably starting to develop this issue. Now you can train the hip flexors and the abductors and the adductors, and you can work on hip stability, which I think you should. I think you should do hip stability movements. I think you should use the sled to do lateral movement.

Starting point is 01:02:25 But I do think that it's probably related to your core. And I would look at the deep muscles of the core. I would look at all the ways you could develop core stability for ultra running. I've trained a couple athletes that do not 100 miles, but they would do 50 miles. And it was always related to the core and they would experience similar issues. And when we got the core stronger and more stabilized, it made a big difference. And the second thing I'll say is technique. So when you're doing something with this much fatigue, the technique starts to change when you start to fatigue and then some muscles get overworked and that's when you develop an issue.

Starting point is 01:03:07 So I don't know if you've worked with a running coach, but a running coach can identify technique. I wouldn't be able to identify them. I'm not an expert in running, but they would be able to identify technique issues and address those and oftentimes that even makes a big difference. You could also stop being such an asshole and running so much too, Justin. Yeah. That's an awesome experience.

Starting point is 01:03:25 I don't run off the night. Perfect. I play hockey occasionally, but no, it's someone's the year I do these races. Maybe twice to your tops. I mean, I'm just teasing you, but I do think that, I mean, that could also be the problem, though. You sounds like you train more like a powerlifter, bodybuilder type of training routine, but then you go out and you do these crazy ass, 100 mile runs.

Starting point is 01:03:44 I mean, if you want to these crazy ass, 100 mile runs. I mean, if you want to be good at the 100 mile runs, you probably should train the body accordingly to bulletproof your body for that and run more consistently to be able to handle that, but to train more like a body builder or powerlifter for a majority of your year and then to go out and do these runs, it's kind of expected to feel the way you're probably feeling. That's my two cents on that. You know, some people have found benefit from running in water for issues like this

Starting point is 01:04:12 because of the resistance that the water creates when you lift the leg and you have to, and there's less stability, but there's more resistance in the water comparison. This is an impact, yes. You get that constant resistance. Today's to work with the water comparison. This is an impact, yes. You get that constant resistance. We used to work with a track team. We do that.

Starting point is 01:04:28 We do with the pair of shoots. We get a little bit of resistance too with your acceleration and rubber bands. But yeah, to me, it sounds like, so how often do you actually run and practice that leading up to one of these races? It's been like, it's like a four months build up to like the longer runs.

Starting point is 01:04:46 When I start like the 50 cases smallest run I'll go on. That's probably like a month's build up. That's not too bad. But for like the hundredth of four months build up and it's just you know really like I was doing core stuff, which is kind of nuts that it's I don't know. I mean I do super long plans and I do all the right things just it's like every single time my growing just decides I just wants to blow out

Starting point is 01:05:08 So you gotta understand it's not that your core is weak is that there's an imbalance and there's probably Technique change that's causing this problem especially if it's gonna really like hone in on that imbalance Yeah, and so this is gonna get very specific because you're talking about high performance. Like you're good up to 50 miles, okay? Most people are not good up to 50 miles. So it's not like, hey, you got a weak core. You probably have a very, obviously I have a very strong core, but there's something going on where there's an imbalance between the communication

Starting point is 01:05:37 of the muscles that are involved with this kind of physical endeavor, especially when you start to get fatigued. A running coach is gonna be able to identify technique issues and they may also be able to identify some of the course stability issues. And that's where I would point you, just because of the level that you're training.

Starting point is 01:05:52 Like if you're like, hey, I run a mile and this happens, it would be a lot easier, but you're, I mean, this, you're going a hundred miles. So this is when small things become big things. I don't know if that makes sense to you. Yeah, yes, it does, yes, it does, it helps. Okay, so that's what I would do. Do you have maps prime pro because there's some really good hip and low back movements in there that I think might actually help you.

Starting point is 01:06:12 I think you'd actually benefit from No BS too because some of the stuff you have in there. No, No BS is like about building the traditional like obliques and abs. You probably has that. This is more of a stability strength issue in relation to your legs and your hip flexors and all that stuff, which is different. That's different than just strength, you know, being an issue. You said you work out your core quite a bit, so that's not something you skimp on, right? No, I mean, after every day, about an hour, hour, 15 of weightlifting, I do some ab exercises for a sit-ex look. I don't do it for any, I mean, I used to be in a military, so I used to train it more, but I just try to maintain

Starting point is 01:06:47 what I do have. I'm 36 now. So I'm nothing too crazy on the abs. Yeah, you're looking at stability exercises, suitcase carries, what's it called counter rotation movements. You know, traditional like build my core muscles, exercises are probably not going to benefit you a ton at this point. But yeah, Prime Pro, look at the hip movements in there because I think you need to do those as well. Okay. Do you have Prime Pro?

Starting point is 01:07:20 No, I do not. We'll send that to Justin. Okay, but anyway, I've been I've been a bit of fan. I don't know when you guys started, but I've been listening for like seven years now. Wow. I mean, I was in the military. I mean, maybe it was not that long, but it's been like such a seven years back when you guys were just starting off and it's been fantastic. And whenever I can let people know about you guys, I do. And we love what you guys do as a whole community out here. So keep doing it. I appreciate

Starting point is 01:07:44 it. Hey, Jesus, bro. Really appreciate that. All right, man, and take off that card. Oh, Hey, it's it's my high school has not even a card. Everybody thinks it's a card. Oh, sad. It's actually we ripped off the, yeah, the logo. So don't worry. We're not putting a jinx out there for it. And I appreciate it guys. Thank you very much. Take it easy, Justin. Go. I appreciate it guys. Thank you very much. Take it easy, Justin. Go, Ace. Yeah, this is a you know, it's funny. So I trained a few high-level endurance athletes quite a few actually. Yeah, and when I would train their legs So these were runners, right? I would train their legs and then the day after

Starting point is 01:08:23 They would go on these long runs and And it asks them, how was your performance affected? It's a little bit, not big deal. If I trained their core the day before, they were ruined. They would always tell me, I cannot run properly if my keepin' everything together. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Like they got the stamina and the legs, but it's that core, that communication

Starting point is 01:08:39 between the upper and lower body. Well, also keep in mind what you kind of alluded to too, that when you're running 50 to 100 miles, this is no longer like a, you know, it's this is not cardio. It's not like leisurely running. This is like a sport now. Yeah. And it sounds to me like he trains more pressure in the hinges. Like a bodybuilder. I mean, he looks like he looks very muscular. He does not look for a super distance. Yeah, he does not look like an endurance. And so of most of your training and diet is built around, you know, like being this kind of bodybuilder looking dude

Starting point is 01:09:10 or, you know, or powerlifter guy. And then you also like on the side, pick up 50 miles. And you could get away with that when you're 25 to 30. Dude's getting, he's 35 now. So I mean, you get into a point where if you want to continue to do a specialized sport like that And it's that important to you to keep up that you're training now needs to be geared around complimenting that It's not as easy as like hey when I was 25 I could play hockey

Starting point is 01:09:35 I could look like a bodybuilder and then I could go pick up a hundred mile run like no big deal It's like no you're not that I'm probably just doesn't deflect and be tough totally and that's it Not ice that I can totally identify with that, but you know, at a certain point, you gotta be like, is this good for me? Yeah. I mean, when you say it's around this age too, right? Around mid 30s, mid 30s,

Starting point is 01:09:54 if you're going to still train a high level sport, which I would consider ultra marathon running a high level sport, you really need to start to hone in on like, okay, I love, you can play basketball or football into your 40s. Obviously, we have professional athletes that do that, but so much of their training now becomes geared around protecting their body and bulletproofing their body.

Starting point is 01:10:18 And so it then begins to, the training regimen begins to look like that and less like, oh, I go squat and deadlift and power lift and do all these moves. I mean, the bottom line is that higher your performances, the closer you get to high performance, the more small things become big things. Big things, yeah. So little tiny deviations and form and technique,

Starting point is 01:10:34 they don't make a big difference until you start to really push things and then they become big problems. And like you said, up until 50 miles, I'm fine, or whatever, and then 50 miles, I'm dead. Like, most people can't walk 50 miles, let alone run 50 miles. Our next caller is Melody from Washington. Hi, Melody.

Starting point is 01:10:51 How can we help you? Hi. What a pleasure to be on with you guys. Thank you. Thank you. All right. So, I was recently blessed to be retired. I retired recently blessed to be retired. I retired recently and about a year ago, well about a year and a half ago, I started working out and I'm 53 and I noticed when I was on the cardio machines, the fittest people in the gym were not on the cardio machines best in their butt. So I looked around and I about four

Starting point is 01:11:26 or five months went by and I had no progress. So I took a risk and asked people if they would help me work out and teach me what they were doing and how they got so fit. Anyways, so I lost 60 pounds in a year. Wow. And I'm still on a pink cloud. I work out every day. I grew up on a dairy farm, so I'm used to getting up early. And we weren't allowed to sleep in or anything like that. So I'm an early bird. But my question to you is, when I come home from the gym, I'm super hungry, super tired, you know, growing up, taking an enactment pretty much that you're lazy, but all I wanted to do is take an nap during the day. So I'm wondering, I know that you're supposed to get a certain amount

Starting point is 01:12:15 of hours asleep during, you know, every day to build muscle and to be healthy and do, if I were, at first I thought it might have been my age, you know, but if I were to take a nap, does that count toward my healthy sleep to stay fit? Okay, so naps are interesting. There are studies on what's called bifasic sleeping, which is a little different than having a big chunk at night and having a nap. This is where people try to divide that total time. And the data points to the fact that it's better than nothing,

Starting point is 01:12:46 but it's still not as good as a full quality eight hours or not. Now, a nap can help when you haven't gotten full sleep, but it's not a substitute. Think of it kind of as a bandaid, maybe a little bit better than a bandaid, but it's not a substitute. That being said, naps are very healthy. Short naps, in the middle of the day, I think around,

Starting point is 01:13:06 I think it's like 20 to 40 minutes or so, maybe an hour has been shown to have beneficial effects in a lot of different people. If you have the time and you feel good, you don't wanna nap so long that you wake up and feel groggy. That's kind of where you cut it off. I don't know if you've ever done that

Starting point is 01:13:19 where you have such a long nap, you wake up and you don't know what planet you're on. You wanna have a nap that is rejuvenating on top of your normal, good healthy sleep at night. So when clients use to ask me this, I actually explain it the same way that I explained protein shakes, where I would say our goal is to get all of our protein through all healthy natural foods. And then if we need to supplement for it, then we do it. The same way with naps.

Starting point is 01:13:45 My goal is for you to get that seven, eight hours in the night by improving your sleep routine and how well you sleep like in the night. But if we have to, a nap can be to the Salis Point, very beneficial. But I don't want to just default to that is like, oh, I'm going to nap every single day. If you were a client of mine, you'd be like, okay, well, tell me about the night. Like, what time did you go to bed and were you watching TV and what time did you eat at

Starting point is 01:14:10 and like, were you getting up through the night? And so I would be working with you to continue to try and improve the duration and the quality of sleep you're getting in the night so that you don't even feel like you need a nap. But in the meantime, we would supplement the nap as needed because there are benefits to it and it's better to do that than to just tough it out and not take a nap because you think you're being lazy. So that would be how

Starting point is 01:14:34 I would coach you as a client. So two things, and I know you said you're an early riser. What would you say like an average length of sleep that you get every night. You know, in the winter when it gets darker earlier, it's easier. In the summertime, I'm usually, you know, outside working in my yard or making dinner, things like that. So I usually get to sleep between nine and nine thirty. My alarm goes off at three fifty. I'm at the gym. The gym opens at five. I meditate my car 15 minutes before I go in so six hours

Starting point is 01:15:11 Six and a half hours. Yeah, yeah, I extend your sleep at night. I was gonna say yeah extend your sleep at night. Yeah, you have to get up at three feet just naturally get up without I mean your body is tired right after you're not still milking cows are you? I mean your body is tired right? You're not still milking cows are you? No, I never milking cows, my dad milking. He milked 400 cows twice a day when I was growing up. He looked like pop up. A lot of udders, yeah. Holy cow.

Starting point is 01:15:33 Yeah, yeah. I would extend your sleep at night. And if you're finding that you feel like you have to nap, I would look at my night sleep first, and then I would look at the amount of stress I'm putting on my night sleep first and then I would look at the amount of stress I'm putting on my body second because If you're doing too much with whatever exercise stress life, whatever that can also start to wear you down and you'll require more sleep

Starting point is 01:15:54 But I would add more sleep at night for sure Yeah, I work out to an hour's Every day, but 45 minutes is on a treadmill just walking. Yeah, okay, look, you're probably doing a little too much. Also, now, I also want to be careful, because I know people are thinking that we're always going to say that. Some people can handle that much work, because of your history and all that stuff. Maybe you have a high capacity for work, but you got to be careful. You might be overdoing it also with your workout.

Starting point is 01:16:22 In fact, I would add more sleep at night and do less of the walking on the treadmill. What was the rest of your day look like? Are you really active all day long after that? Um, yeah. Sometimes I go hiking or for walks outside and garden and I try not to sit down. You know, I try to get like 15,000 to 20,000 steps a day. Yeah, you don't need to do the walking before the workout. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think you're fine with just the workout. Sleep longer, yeah.

Starting point is 01:16:51 Sleep longer, cut out some of the extra walking on the treadmill. I think you'll get better results and feel better from that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially considering how active you're saying you already are. If you're getting over 10,000 steps a day, already through just normal activity and your weight training,

Starting point is 01:17:05 having you do an hour extra of walking, I would weigh rather you get an hour more asleep. I think you're gonna benefit from that far more in this situation. Yeah, why are you exercising so much just out of curiosity? You know, after I retired, I went to work every day and then after I retired,

Starting point is 01:17:24 I was afraid I would be bored and then I started going to gym. I met a group of friends at the gym and it's kind of like FOMO. If I don't go, I won't see SESO. You know, I won't work out and at first, I went every day because I was afraid if I missed a day, I wouldn't go back, but that's not true. I found out that I just like it so much that, I don't know, I'm still on pink clouds.

Starting point is 01:17:50 So I just want to keep going. I want to lose about 10 more pounds. And I don't know how this translates into mind-pump language, but I want to be, my husband, I travel a lot, and I want to be on a beach in an age inappropriate bikini walk it down the beach and not jiggle. I have a question for you since it sounds like you've gone through this great weight loss journey.

Starting point is 01:18:18 When was the last time you actually tried to bulk? I don't know. See I'm so new with this. I don't know. I eat about 1 new with this I don't know I eat about 1600 and 60 calories a day. Oh yeah. Um 150. That's low for somebody that's working out as much as I can. Okay have you did you hear the episode that we did why women should bulk? Yes well I listen to the mommy one. The muscle mommy one. Uh huh. I really like that one. Yeah that I mean it's similar to that. It wouldn't hurt to listen to that one again too,

Starting point is 01:18:46 the other one so you can just keep hearing that because I think that's, if you were my client, the things I said, one, I would have you sleep for an hour more, that would be more the focus and then I would put you on a bulk. We would try and get strong. The goal would be, and do you have any of our maps programs? I don't, I don't.

Starting point is 01:19:03 Oh, okay, well yeah, here we go. I would put you on maps and a ballic, and I would like, I would bump your calories a couple hundred calories a day. So we'd bump up to, say, two, 300 calories a day, put you on maps and a ballic, follow it to a team. Get more sleep. Don't do any extra outside of it.

Starting point is 01:19:19 You can do your normal gardening, walking, and stuff like that, but don't try and do any more than that. Add a couple hundred calories and follow maps and a ball. And you know what'll happen, Melody? Right. You'll get leaner. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:19:31 I'll be able to walk on a beach with that. That's actually get leaner. In fact, if you did an hour, if you did more sleep and didn't do the walk on the treadmill, you get leaner. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:19:44 Yeah. Your body right now is you're fighting against your body with that little calories that much activity Yeah, you're gonna your if you can just trust are you in our forum? I know okay, so I'm gonna do both these things I'm gonna give you maps and a ballic and then I'm gonna have Doug give you access to the forum And then I want you to use that forum as a place for support as You as this whole journey because I know you lost all that weight and anytime I reverse somebody they start questioning it within the first couple weeks and so use that to tag us and keep us updated on how things are going but trust the process if you if

Starting point is 01:20:17 you believe in us and when you know that we know what we're doing follow maps and a ball and get the hour of sleep add add two to 300 calories a day into your diet. And hit your protein targets. We didn't say that. Are you eating enough protein? I eat 150, but you know, with the 1600 and 60 calories, it feels like I have to be an extreme carnivore to get all the calories.

Starting point is 01:20:40 Yeah, well, sure. You can add a couple extra add 200 calories of other stuff. Yeah. Yeah, you're fine now. Yeah, now you can have a cup or two of rice or a sweet potato and a cup of rice. Yeah, perfect. Yeah, so, yeah, follow exactly what I said,

Starting point is 01:20:53 stick with it, trust the process. If you need support, reach out to us because you can have access to the forum now and watch what happens. You have that body banging. Thank you so much. I was very, very generous of you guys. I'm so excited.

Starting point is 01:21:07 You got it. Thank you. Take care. Take cool. I had a client that grew up on a dairy farm and I trained her for a while. She was awesome. And then her niece came to visit

Starting point is 01:21:20 and her niece still was on the dairy farm. Okay. So they grew up there. Nees never worked out before. So she comes in strong as an adult. Yeah, dude, and I'm like, you never lived it before? Like, you're like the strongest woman ever.

Starting point is 01:21:32 My old boss is wife. She usually may be a hundred and 30 pounds at most, five foot four or so like that. I mean, you're constantly lifting stuff. The strongest guy that I say is all the time on our football team, team were from Kansas, Nebraska They're just like that's that was their life was they just get up early and they're just constantly moving and lifting and throwing Bales a hay and all that kind of stuff. I mean, that's why I mean she would be a fun climb to train

Starting point is 01:21:56 She'd be really fun because she's done a really good Obviously she can stick to something and be disciplined and consistent, which is always the first right? So that's already a hard thing for a lot of people She's proven that for sure. Now it's literally like turning the knobs. Like you're overdoing it, you need to get some more rest. We need to focus on our program that's focused around building strength and building muscle.

Starting point is 01:22:16 Maps and it'll be great. Let's feed your body a little bit more. And I bet you she gets strong, fast and body tightens up. And she's gonna look. Yeah, exactly what she's looking for with less work. Yeah, yeah, trust the process melody. Our next caller is Vicki from New York. Hey Vicki, how can we help you? Hi guys. I want to know how are you? Good, thank you. You look way more relaxed than I would imagine. Super relaxed. Just slouch down chair. Yeah. Thanks for taking my call and my school. I work in a school.

Starting point is 01:22:47 So I look like I'm in a prison, but I'm not. I have just been, I'm kind of a new listener since last spring, early last spring, I started on a volunteer program and immediately ordered the summer shred bundle and got right to it. It was a lot of volume for me. I'll give you a little background on myself. I've competed before. I think I wrote my email that I worked with Jeremy Freeman. I figured you guys might recognize his name.

Starting point is 01:23:23 He was a world-renowned bodybuilder back in the day. Yeah, let me look him up. I think I heard that is. Yeah. He used to tell us he was photographed more than Arnold Schwarzenegger. But anyway, he, so when I got into weight training, I was a runner prior to that. So when I got into weight training, I was launched into his program, which was called the 42, and it was six weeks intense cardio twice a day for an hour, lifting every morning for six weeks, no breaks, very, very difficult program. So in my mindset became like, that's how you do it, because I didn't have any other prior other than I went to the gym once in a while

Starting point is 01:24:07 But it was more of a runner than weight training so From that I've developed maybe I don't want to say bad habits. I'm consistent But I get burned out because it's like an all or nothing thing from me. So I ran through Maths aesthetic and So I ran through Mapsesthetic and about four, five weeks in, I did an in-body scan. And I was at 19% body fat, 117 pounds lean muscle. So I was like, okay, I wanted to get down to about 13% because I think that's a good space for me. I like how I feel, I like how I look at that space. And so I stayed in Mapsesthetic, did it for four more weeks, and

Starting point is 01:24:56 got another embodying. It's exactly the same. No change. So I was like really disheartened, kind of bummed out. My motivation got challenged. So here I said, I finished the program. I went through it. I didn't go through it at the same pace. It was just like I found that I was exhausted doing that. And then all summer long, I was doing definitely over 10,000 steps a day, probably more to like

Starting point is 01:25:21 15, 20. And other stuff like, you know, yard work and that kind of stuff. But plus the weight training. And I did, I started out with the focus sessions every other day, but then I kind of backed off on those two. So I just don't know where to go from here. I was, I started tracking, I tracked my calories for a few weeks because I really, I don't track. When I did it with Jeremy, he would prescribe my diet.

Starting point is 01:25:49 And then I would follow what he said. So it was like five meals a day, roughly around 1,500 calories, and just two cardio sessions a day. It was like, I did everything, so I never really had to dive into macros. So I did track my protein this summer. And I was about 140 to 160 grams. And then I was for calories, I was between 2200 and 2500. So a day, I put on, I'm sorry, what? No, I just, I already know, I think the guys too, probably already know where we go with you. Here's the thing.

Starting point is 01:26:26 You traded a terrible program for you for probably the worst program for you of ours. But so it's just you, and you, you kind of hit it on the head already. You knew that is the amount of volume that he had you doing was intensity was just ridiculous. I would never have any do that. So the awful. And then Mapsesthetic is our highest volume,

Starting point is 01:26:48 one of our highest volume programs, because it's designed. It was designed to mimic how I trained as a bodybuilder getting ready for a show. Yeah, that's yeah. We would never recommend that to most anybody that's training with us, at least until they're not ready to move to that volume

Starting point is 01:27:05 and where you're currently at, that is not ideal. And so what you're seeing in the in-body scan for you is your body's not wanting to work for you. You're putting all this work in, you're overdoing it and it's just, it's revolting. It's not moving the needle at all because we don't have the right balance. We need to balance you out more.

Starting point is 01:27:24 Now it's great you're hitting the protein intake like you are, but we need to back away off the volume and intensity and be more methodical about this approach. Which the exciting news is that you shouldn't have to work this hard to see even more results. Yeah, we got to back up though, real quick. We got to back up though.

Starting point is 01:27:43 You said you feel great at 13% What does that feel like to you? What is it about it that feels great? So the pictures I send in I Don't know who saw them at all that was back about 10 years ago and One of the first one where I'm like a tiny little bird. I look sickly I was about 8% body fat for that competition and then for the next one where I look like I have a little more muscle I was at about probably 10 or 11 Okay, but I forget how you look. Why do you think you feel good at 13% what do you feel like?

Starting point is 01:28:16 I feel light I feel energetic. Yeah, I feel Like I sleep better. I don't know. I just feel better about myself in general. Yeah, I don't believe you. I think we're dealing with body image stuff. I don't think you feel better at 13% health wise. I bet you, if we checked your performance,

Starting point is 01:28:36 looked at your labs, looked at how your body was responding in flammatory markers, you're gonna be less health. There very rarely is a woman healthier at 13%, than she is at 19%. Can I see the pics, Doug? I can't see her pics. All I can see.

Starting point is 01:28:49 They don't have them included. That's very, very lean. That's like shredding. A woman would lose her period. She wouldn't have, she wouldn't be fertile. Okay, so I don't, I think what we're dealing with here is you like the way it looks

Starting point is 01:29:00 because there's a bit of a dysfunction or disconnection with the body image. I think your body image is probably the muscle too. Like I do like that. I feel a little fluffy at 19. Yeah, then there's something else going on here and it's not that you're healthier and more fit. 19 is actually really helpful.

Starting point is 01:29:16 Let me ask you this. Have you dealt with body image issues in the past eating disorder type stuff in the past? A gazillion years ago. Yes. It's still there. It's still there. Yeah, it's still there, Vicki. So this is not a, you, so if you, I would recommend you work with somebody to talk about this.

Starting point is 01:29:33 Because otherwise, you're not going to be able to get out of this hole. You're abusing fitness and diet. And you're ignoring the signs that your body's telling you. I bet you there's a lot of signs that are telling you, you're over training. There's a lot of signs probably telling you, you're not doing well when you get that lean

Starting point is 01:29:48 or even maybe now with the amount of work out you're doing and you're probably ignoring them. The irony is you would be, you would feel so much better if you trained a lot less and probably ate more. You would feel so much better, but it's hard for you to connect those dots. Yes, for're, you're, it's hard to connect those dots. Yes.

Starting point is 01:30:05 Yeah. For sure. I mean, it's also a huge sign too when somebody leaves a program. I mean, the program that he had you on is borderline abusive. So, and you left that for the most intense thing that we have. It's like that would be, but I didn't know that at the time. I didn't know that was your most intense program. I just ordered it. Listen, Vicki, I'm telling you this because I'm telling you from personal experience as well. I understand what this feels like. And I've worked with a lot of people like you,

Starting point is 01:30:33 but I know what it feels like. And if what I'm saying is if you're dismissing it or you're feeling triggered or whatever, that means there's something there. And I'm telling you, this is very classic screening to me that there's some body image stuff that's going on, and you're abusing yourself through exercise and diet, and feeling better at 13% would, what I would strongly guess that what you mean is I just like being

Starting point is 01:30:57 smaller, makes me feel more comfortable with myself. That is true. Yeah. Yeah. But I will say, this part I probably left out just to fill in some gaps though. For the Pat since then, from those shows that I don't know if you see the pictures or not, but till now, like I've been totally working on mindset and not all or nothing kind of approach, working on my sleep, working on getting my calories way up here.

Starting point is 01:31:22 Like I thought that was a lot of calories, 2,500. I mean, it's not it's not bad, but you're working so much. I look. Here's what I would have you do. Maps and a ball, you could do the three day week program, and I would have you just walk. Yep. That's it. Yeah. Maps and a ball, do the three day week version. Just two or three days. You could do the three day week version. Do the trigger sessions on the off days. Do no extra workouts, except for walking on your own. I wanna put you in the forum too, so we can keep an eye on that.

Starting point is 01:31:48 So I wanna have Doug's gonna give you free access to the forum. We're gonna send you over to our MAP Santa Ballic. Okay. Follow MAP Santa Ball on to a tee. Don't do more than that. Your calories are okay. How many steps should I do? Or how many, yeah, is that, am I doing too many steps to?

Starting point is 01:32:04 I mean, no, no, no, you're fine. Okay, to get 10 to 15,000, how much focused do you have to put on going to get those 10 to 15,000? Is it almost naturally happened or is that like hours of you intentionally walking? Depends on the day, but it's not hours. It's like an hour of walking to get 10 and then anything else during the day just adds up. 10,000 a day is fine. Yeah, that's fine. That's how you're getting it, that's fine. I don't want you obsessively walking for hours and hours intentionally to try and hit a number.

Starting point is 01:32:32 In fact, I wouldn't even really care. If you're taking a nice hour walk plus the MAPSanabolic, I like you there, that's fine. That's helpful. So with Ianabolic, I'll build muscle though. That's what I really want to do. Yes, oh yeah, you're going to. Yes.

Starting point is 01:32:46 All right. You are, Vicki, you're doing great, I think. I know this is a tough struggle. It's going to feel like you're doing nothing when you do MAPs in a ball. It's going to feel like you're doing so little. And you're going to feel like, oh my God, I'm going to gain all this body fat.

Starting point is 01:32:59 Trust the process. I wouldn't weigh myself. I wouldn't test my body fat if I were you. I would just look at how strong I am in the gym. Make that your, if you need to focus your intention somewhere, because you need to have it focus somewhere, which is probably true, I would put it toward strength. How strong can I get? And if you keep getting stronger, you're moving in the right direction.

Starting point is 01:33:18 I did get stronger with aesthetic. That's why I was surprised about the body scan too because I heard your collar for me it was yesterday and a woman that said she didn't gain any strength but what she was doing is the phase one, she was lifting a certain weight and then she kept the same weight for the next two phases. I kind of did the same thing. So I know I'm stronger. Oh yeah. You're going to respond so well to maps of a baller. And by the way, that's just an example of you reduced the volume and intensity significantly down to maps aesthetic. It was still too much better than we were.

Starting point is 01:33:53 Right. So your body already started to thank you for moving in the right direction. We're going to move you even further in that direction. And you should see it. Thank you again. So yeah, no, we're going to get you there. And then you're going to be in the form too. And I want you to keep us us updated. Okay. Alright, thank you. How do I? It's on Facebook.

Starting point is 01:34:09 Yeah, it's on Facebook. That's right. Doves and a send you a link. You'll have free access. And then anytime you communicate and you want to communicate personally to one of us, just tag one of our names. And then we'll be able to see it. We'll see it. Alright, perfect. Alright, thank you so much for coming. All right, Vicki, thank you. Bye. You got it. Was that too harsh? No, you know what?

Starting point is 01:34:29 Well, I wasn't sure until Doug pulled the finally pulled the photos up. And it's obvious now. Like for me. Well, 13%, I feel better at 13%. Yeah, the only reason why, so you know me, I'm cautious with that because I have a wife that is off the wing.

Starting point is 01:34:43 You just want to see it. One, yes. Yeah, I just want to see it. One yes. Yeah, I just want to see it. I know it's but still that she that couldn't. I mean just from a number right. Right. So but I mean you were you were spot on and as soon as I saw the photos was like oh my God.

Starting point is 01:34:55 Yes. I mean, even when she was in the competitive shape was just way too way too lean. Way, way too lean. So she's. Look again speaking from personal experience like I feel better You know when I'm you know 7% body fat 215 pounds But if I'm being honest with myself, I don't know what makes me feel better is I feel more comfortable in my skin because Psychologically, yeah, and that's what she means physically you don't actually don't feel better

Starting point is 01:35:22 And that's what she means I feel better. No, you like being small You actually don't feel better. And that's what she means. I feel better. No, you like being small. You like the feeling of being small on your clothes. And that's the aesthetic thing. That's right. Yeah, I mean, actually, I wish we could see exactly what she looks. She probably looks really healthy and good right now, which is the, that's the hard part

Starting point is 01:35:35 when you have a client like that. By the way, don't follow program. If a body builder decides to train you as this client, you're probably gonna get the most here. Did you hear what the protocol was? Terrible. You fuckable. What are you doing? Borderline abuse most year. Did you hear what the protocol was? Terrible. You fuckable. What are you doing?

Starting point is 01:35:46 Borderline abuse, dude. Yeah. That's crazy, but you know, it's so crazy too. I mean, she didn't know any better than she did that. So it didn't work for me, but it's always, it's so, those clients. And she's a hard, probably a hard worker. Those clients always gravitate towards maps

Starting point is 01:35:58 of study, or PED, or something that we have, that we always tell people is like, this is like high volume and it might be a lot for her. In fact, the more we say you probably shouldn't do this because it's too much volume, the more we probably still go for it. That's the progress. That's the reason.

Starting point is 01:36:10 A good news though, I mean, her protein intake is up high. Yeah. She's got good activity. Sounds like she can train consistently. I mean, if she... For saving graces that she's not eating too little. Yeah, exactly. That is her saving, though.

Starting point is 01:36:21 The fact that she was at that high accalers made me happy because I'm like, she's not... At least she's not starving. Yes, that's good. Our next caller is Alfredo from Italy. Alfredo, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Much, how are you guys?

Starting point is 01:36:33 We're doing good. Yeah, how you doing? Great. This is surreal. I'm so excited to be here. First of all, I want to thank you guys for everything you should do. I discovered you guys about three years ago

Starting point is 01:36:43 when I was in a pretty dark place. And I can confidently say that ever since that time my life's gotten progressively better. Thanks to you guys and you guys really saved my life honestly. Thank you for everything you do. I'll always be grateful so please keep up the good work. Oh, appreciate it. Thank you, Ralph. Thank you. No worries. So all that mushy stuff out of the way. Thank you. No worries. So, all that mushy stuff out of the way, onto my question. My question is, can I increase the thickness of my hands and fingers? And if so, is the time and effort required to see a significant difference worth the pursuit?

Starting point is 01:37:17 You want little fat stubby fingers like Justin? No, we want to. Absolutely, bro. I want to crush people's hands when I shake them. All right, look, so there are muscles in the hand. Okay, so if you look at an anatomy picture of the hand in the palm, there are muscles in the hand, and those can be developed.

Starting point is 01:37:34 Now the fingers themselves, there's a lot of tendons that are in there, and tendons can also strengthen in thicken as well. So, okay, how do you make them stronger or how do you thicken them? I mean, you train them like you train any other part of your body, hand and grip exercises, but the hands really do respond well to frequency. So, it's, I would do, how often do you strength train right

Starting point is 01:37:54 now or how often do you lift weights? Um, two to three days a week. Okay. So, in those workouts, I would include with each one of those workouts, one or two hand or wrist exercises. And then on the off days, I would use, I would grab either a tension ball or a rice bucket or spring loaded gripper. And just play with them throughout the day. But don't go crazy with them because you will over train your hands very quickly. So you just kind of squeeze it a little bit here and there, but don't make it like a workout and little by little You'll definitely get what you're looking for. Is this more of a grip

Starting point is 01:38:33 Focused pursuit or is this just like overall like an aesthetic thing for you? It's it's an aesthetic thing. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's it right there It's like if you look at people who have the strongest looking hands It's people that work with their hands on a regular basis. The frequency makes a big do you have you have any of our programs? I'm running I have a lot of your programs actually I'm running on a block right now, but I also have The sport one and aesthetic as well. Have you okay? So, have you seen the maps OCR one that we have? No, I've not. Okay, that's got like the rice buckets.

Starting point is 01:39:09 It's got a lot of stuff. There's a lot of good hand grip things in there. I think one of the most impressive grips or hands out of our friends has been greenfield. Oh, yeah. He's got exactly those posts, those crazy thick fingers. And the, but that guy is doing OCR work all the time. Hanging and doing monkey bar work

Starting point is 01:39:27 and I keep doing a lot of grip strength things. That program is designed specifically for grip strength. I think you'll see a difference in that. So I've done. You don't have to follow the program. You can just do the hand stuff in there. You can though. I mean, if that's his main goal,

Starting point is 01:39:41 what else you got? It doesn't hurt to do that. Yeah, true. I'm checking out. I'm checking out. I'm focusing. But yeah, like that's his main goal, what else you got? If he doesn't, it doesn't hurt to do that. Yeah, you know, true. Yeah. Check it out. Yeah, yeah. It'll be, it'll be, it'll be, yeah. But yeah, like if you got like seriously, if you got yourself a stress ball, you know, those little squishy balls or whatever that people use to squeeze, yeah, you can literally throughout the day while you're doing whatever, I don't know what kind of work you do, but if you're at a desk, you can kind of play with it here and there. Just don't make it a

Starting point is 01:40:01 workout if you do it every day or throughout the day because otherwise it'll be too much. Well, literally just, just messing with it throughout a workout if you do it every day or throughout the day because otherwise it'll be too much. Well, literally just messing with it throughout the day. Well, yeah, if you start really increasing volume there too, make sure that you're also supplementing that with mobility, risk cars, and some dexterity kind of mobility drills, so just because that's gonna be a lot of new stimulus and stress that you might start

Starting point is 01:40:24 kind of having some issues, maybe some arthritis. I think if you're down and you should just follow Maps OCR and you'll see some benefits from that. And I think you get a lot of what we're everyone's saying right now within that program. The only thing I might add to that is this is a very unique example of where I see like value and like tools like the fat grips and stuff to incorporate. Like when you do some of your barbell stuff. Yeah. He can utilize something like that. But it's pretty simple. Yeah. Honestly, it's not like like I said a couple specific forearm exercises. Adding drills. And then the frequency throughout the day, that's that's that's pretty much it. All right. Cool. Thanks for the

Starting point is 01:41:01 advice you guys. You got it, man. I appreciate it. You. You got it, man. I'll follow you. I'll follow you, bro. Take it easy. You got it. Yeah, this is a super unique. Yeah, it's definitely a frequency thing. In my experience, that's the strongest my hands ever got was when I would practice just stuff like that just throughout the day. And I overdid it at first. I would like actually get like a pump. Yeah, that's what I noticed. I had I started having issues because I was so focused on trying to get like a pump. Well, yeah. Do you think? That's what I noticed. I had, I started having issues because I was so focused

Starting point is 01:41:25 on trying to get my grip strength. There's got to be something to be said though too about like all the different very, like a part of why I think someone like Ben Greenfield has that is the guy is, you know, grabbing a bow string. He's carrying kettlebells and hay, like climbing, climbing stuff. That's what I mean.

Starting point is 01:41:42 And I think all that's like, the weather is, Oh well, he wants aesthetic. He want a thick skin. Cause look, here's a deal. That's what I mean. I think all that's like, the weather is, Oh well, he wants aesthetic. He want a thick skin, because look, here's a deal. My skin ain't fit. I don't work with construction, you know, objects.

Starting point is 01:41:51 I'm not picking up wood and working with rocks. I can't see. But I do that. I have to work gloves, because it'll shred my hand. Moisturize as well. Yeah, and yeah, and waste raises. Thank you.

Starting point is 01:42:00 I have a few, you know, I have a few calluses where the bar will sit. And that's about, you guys both have super soft hands anyway. So, what? We can do these, dude. We can calluses, we can do sit and that's about you guys both have super soft hands Anyway, so we tell you He's Cows Ruffs man hands, let's all shake hands later and see what's going on. Yeah anyway

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