Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2208: The Truth About the Leg Press, the Pros & Cons of Cold Plunging After a Workout, Mind Pump’s London Diet & Training Break Down & More

Episode Date: November 17, 2023

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page.  Mind Pump Fit Tip: The next time you hear a diet/fitness influencer say reverse dieting doesn’t work, turn them off, they are morons. (2:00) Highlighting how much we strive for the recognition of our peers. (12:20) The power of genetics. (23:38) The ultimate performance stack from Organifi. (32:25) Loving your kid more than yourself. (33:34) Love is an action. (39:20) Sal’s new TRT strategy. (47:14) Butcher Box’s CRAZY Black Friday deal. (52:55) Is the human extinction movement a real thing? (56:39) Shout out to Edgar Goulas. (58:39) #Quah question #1 - What do the different foot and leg positions work on a leg press machine? (1:00:48) #Quah question #2 - Is it possible to increase BMR beyond what traditional calculators say simply with reverse dieting and strength training? (1:07:04) #Quah question #3 - Is cold plunging post-workout worth the tradeoff of blunting the muscle-building signal if it leads to better recovery, and therefore, more frequency and volume? (1:09:50) #Quah question #4 - Did you all train while in London? What did your nutrition look like? What new foods did you guys try? (1:16:01) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout** Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer! November Promotion: MAPS Resistance | MAPS Prime Pro 50% off! **Code NOVEMBER50 at checkout** Mammalian metabolism photo Mind Pump #1915: How To Re-Ignite Your Metabolism Planet Fitness Unexpectedly Fires its CEO, and Shares Plunge Doppelgängers Don't Just Look Alike—They Also Share DNA Three Identical Strangers The Weird Mental Frameworks Of The Super Rich - Codie Sanchez | Modern Wisdom 695 TRANSCEND your goals! Telehealth Provider • Physician Directed GET YOUR PERSONALIZED TREATMENT PLAN!  Hormone Replacement Therapy, Cognitive Function, Sleep & Fatigue, Athletic Performance and MORE. Their online process and medical experts make it simple to find out what’s right for you. Earth Now Has 8 Billion Humans. This Man Wishes There Were None. Jonathan Pageau encourages World Leaders to pursue the supreme Good Visit Hiya for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! How to do a Bulgarian Split Squat - YouTube Front Squats- How to Place & Hold the Bar - YouTube THIS Is The BEST Side Butt Exercise! - YouTube MAPS Macro Calculator Visit The Cold Plunge for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump Listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout for $150 off your order** Mind Pump #1822: Wim Hof On How To Control Your Immune System With Breathwork Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Elon Musk (@elonmusk) X Drew Canole (@drewcanole) Instagram Chris Williamson (@chriswillx) Instagram Codie Sanchez (@codiesanchez) Instagram Dr. Dwayne N. Jackson, PhD (@drdnjackson) Instagram Jonathan Pageau (@jonathan.pageau) Instagram Edgar Goulas (@eddy_teddy21) Instagram Justin Brink DC (@dr.justinbrink) Instagram Wim Hof (@iceman_hof) Instagram

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science, and anecdote, experience. That's the only way you're going to get the right answer. In fact, if you're watching this on YouTube, we're going to post up a picture of all of the known metabolism interactions and pathways that we currently understand. In fact, scientists say essentially that, it's probably gonna take another five years with really advanced AI to figure it all out. That's how little we know about mammalian metabolism.

So the next time you hear somebody say, reverse dieting doesn't work or building muscle, doesn't really speed up the metabolism, turn it off, they're morons. I hate having to see the same thing. You couldn't help yourself. I had to. You couldn't help yourself.

I was really so simple. I was wondering where you're gonna go with this. I thought, oh, that's a good idea. Well, so Doug, pull up the picture. I texted you, because I want you guys to see, these texted to me. I did, it's to the thread, but you chicken scratch.

Which is what it looked like. Oh, these are the known, these are all of the known metabolic pathways. Essentially, I'll send it again, Doug, just in case you're. So a better question is how much is unknown though? Like, what if we had a number to it, do we know 50% of what's going on? Do we know 10%? Probably 10%. Really? Yeah.

Or less, you know what the problem is, is when you look at these pathways, and it's literally the picture that I'm hoping Doug will find, is so complex. Just an infinite amount of different. Oh, I mean, you got to zoom in on this picture and like look at, and this is what we know.

And we don't even know how they interact with each other. We don't even know how one necessarily affects another one, 15 or 20 or 50 steps down the line. And then there's what we don't know, which is like this infinite sea. I mean, look at that. That's what the hell. Looks like the subway system in Europe.

Those of us that know. That was like, I'm not trying to get around. It's fucking. We're still the four of us are staring at the tube, trying to figure out how to get around. I'm like, oh, fuck it, just take the uber. Well, you know what makes me so mad? Because we'll talk about, yes, and I, yes, this is true.

Like when we talk about speeding up someone's metabolism through building muscle, reverse dieting, how that speeds up them, metabolism and combination, we are relying heavily on experience in Agdot because there isn't a ton of data to support this. But you talk to any coach or trainer who's worked with anybody for any length of period of time,

they'll tell you, oh no, it's real. Like, on average, I would get a person's metabolism to boost by 500. A thousand calories was not unheard of for me being able to get someone's metabolism to speed up. That was not unheard of. It trying to explain it someone's metabolism to speed up. That was not unheard of. It trying to explain it with the current understanding of the metabolism, like good luck.

But it happens, like clockwork. I need you to explain this a little for, like what am I looking at? Like, it's like the, so these are all the, this is like, all different pathways, right? So it's like,

if like a variable is thrown in there, it's a whole other pathway, right? This is like energy, you eat food. What happens to it? Okay, so here's your chain of events and where everything is connecting. That's what you're looking at. You know, it's gonna be cool.

So how far ahead do we get here in the next, say, five years with AI? Like this is an example. That's what they say that's gonna be required to understand this. Is that we're gonna need like some serious AI to go in and really figure this all out? look it's it's obvious a quantum computer we we could take you could do a fecal transplant and make a fat mouse a lean mouse with that what what the hell is that have to do with metabolic pathways right you could change your hormones and not change anything else and all of a sudden you become leaner, build more lean body mass. You could change your stress levels, your sleep. I mean, you could

have the same macros and calories, at least it seems that way, reduce inflammation. Do they factor in all the epigenetic factors as well? Epigenetics, like, come on, everybody relax. So I hate it when, because here's what happens with these influencers when they come out and say, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, building muscle is great, it's healthy, but it's not gonna speed up in metabolism. Just move more and eat less. What are you doing?

You're just gonna get a lot of people more confused or worse, a lot of people who've tried that and failed because their approach was wrong. And you're just gonna confirm to them that, I'm not gonna do, I guess I'm just gonna give up. I've already tried this five times, I've lost 30 pounds, gained it back. I did the running, I did the cardio,

I cut my calories, just doesn't work. And all they're being told is you lack discipline, you're lazy, that's why it's not working. And they're like, well, I don't, this is weird because I have a cousin who eats twice as much as I do, works at a desk and is lean. So what the hell's going on here?

We tend to make these points and then move on, but obviously we're continuing to hammer this one. Yeah, because people keep doubling down and making more stupid things. Yeah, not even that, though, because normally, even if someone goes back and forth with us, we tend to like whatever. If you guys are too dumb to figure it out and you don't care.

But the reason why I think all of us are passionate about this, in particular, was because how life-changing it was for so many people. I mean, how many... And we've how life changing it was for so many people. I mean, how many, and we've seen it firsthand, like really transformed people. Yeah, I mean, how many times did you get a client that was so frustrated with their weight loss journey

because they've gone, they've yo-yo dited their entire life, they're eating such a low amount of calories yet they're 50 to 100 pounds overweight, they just can't figure, they can't figure it out. And never once have they tried like fueling their body and focusing on building strength to see what that potentially could do for them because they're so afraid to eat in that manner.

And yet when they do that, the benefits that they gain metabolically are unreal. And we can't quite quantify it. It's not as simple as for every pound of muscle, you burn an additional 15 to 30 calories a day because that math doesn't math. I've done it enough times that when we do it, it's like, this makes no sense. We added five pounds, but you're eating 500 to 800 more calories. What's happened? This doesn't make sense. Now, I understand that there's other variables, that person who's now

added five pounds of muscle probably moves a little bit more. They're probably increased, you know, they probably increased their volume and they're training without even realizing it. That still doesn't account. I know. They probably sleep. I mean, there's like, there's a whole host of things that are probably also happening besides this one thing that we're measuring in this controlled six to 12 week study to say that, oh, it's 15 calories. But when you're coaching people, you have to understand that too, though.

You have to factor that in. You do, and also understand, why is this so complex, right? Why is mammalian metabolism so complex? Like, what's the evolutionary purpose of all of these pathways and what's going on? Well, one of the biggest purposes, or roles there, is being able to become more or less

efficient with the energy that is consumed. Okay, why is that important? Well, for most of history on earth, mammals and humans in particular, like we dealt with food scarcity, we dealt with periods of drought of, I don't have, and so what the body does very well is it learns how to adapt. It can become more or less efficient with the same lean body mass, okay. You can, I've seen this happen too, where I'll move someone in a different direction. We haven't even built any muscle yet, and yet their metabolism seems to be speeding up. Well, there's so many different pathways. The body can turn

some of those calories more into heat. It could become more efficient in other methods by either making you move more, move less, or some organs are using more energy versus others. Cells can become more thrifty, or less thrifty. It can conserve it and store it for later. I mean, it's just, it's very, very, very complex, but what we know for a fact is it's like clockwork.

I mean, my wife is an example. When I met her, she was eating 1200 calories a day. She was running three days a week. She was doing all these crazy circuit workouts. And after about a year and a house, a year, a year and a half of working out together, she took out all the running, so no more running whatsoever.

She started lifting weights in a traditional sense, meaning no circuits, just straights that type of deal, slowly reverse dieted her to what she was eating 2200 calories a day, and leaner. And leaner. So for all intents and purposes, less activity, more food, leaner, And she didn't gain 15 pounds of lean body mass. She might have gained something like seven pounds of lean body mass. So, you know, explaining that.

So, just another example of being science-based, but not science-bound, right? Yes. Understanding that we know somewhat what's going on, but there's still a lot that we don't know. And if you've been doing this long enough, you've helped enough people reverse diet and speed their metabolism. Again, the math does a math. It doesn't make sense. And

so I, and I'm not going to try and explain why that is. It's just that I know I've done it enough times to see how, what a difference that it can make by someone adding five pounds of muscle on there. What about like, how about this? How about the chemicals that you can be exposed to? Zenoestrogens have been shown to increase fat storage and some animal studies. And it's not hard to assume that that's probably having an impact on people as well. So, and there's a lot of stuff that we're exposed to that's different now. So it's not just, it's not the simple move more eat less. That's any potential to immune issue and gut problems

that you might have underlying. Like it's all contributing to how well you're going to maintain. It is. Now if you're confused, right? You're listening to this or like, oh my God, there's so much going on. No, no, no, no. We're saying it's complex, but the solution is actually quite simple. Uh, feed your body properly, uh, strength, train to speed up your metabolism, train appropriately,

and slowly over time, you will be leaner by eating more food. You'll actually have an easier, it'll be an easier process of sustainability, maintenance, which is really the problem. So if you're working in the space, the problem you want to tackle isn't weight loss, It's the sustainability.

Everybody can lose weight, but who can keep it off? Like that's the real challenge. Preserve your muscle. Yeah, a little bit of a transition. Have you guys seen the news on plan of fitness? CEO? No. Fired.

Really? Yeah, yeah. I think they lost like a billion dollars in market share like overnight. Yeah. A billion? Yeah. So, why share like overnight. Yeah, and a billion. Yeah. Yeah. So hey, what why guess it? No guesses. Does it guess fitness CEO? Okay. Yeah, killing it doing great. Great. But and initially there was like no one like new Why they why I don't understand this company's been doing great spend on the climb for quite some time Yeah, fire the CEO and he guesses on why you might fire a fitness because the pizza went up

the CEO and he guesses on why you might fire a fitness. Cause the pizza went up. So the pizza is the best. He got a best moment. Huh? He got an investment. Oh, that's a good guess. I think look up the articles that are coming out right now that are related to it. So party too much.

Wait, wait, who do the CEO? He party too much? Yeah, bro. It's why you look shocked like that. That is like so the space. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Just making money. Have the fancy. Yeah. Yeah, it's like a dirty secret. Yeah, it's a big deal. Look at, see what you can pull up for me, though. Is it like a bang see you? I don't know what he looks like, actually. I didn't look at any images, what you got from me, Doug. All the things that he was blindsided

and doesn't know why he was blind. Yeah, so that was the initial, that was the initial, like, talk was that, had no idea, oh, he looks like he does blind people on the street. Tell me that, he just, yeah, he literally looks like he does line to the other tell me that he does yeah he literally looks like he does bumps all day like a little bit of powder on his yeah that does look like a bang guy he's just missing

the gold chain dude for sure he's partying 100% that's hilarious isn't that so funny isn't it like people though a lot of people that don't know the kind of behind the scenes right with with fitness the gym industry is crazy but I mean it's gotta be something a little more

egregious than that, right? Cause like, I mean, if you're doing cocaine off the desk that work, that's not that, that's pretty egregious, Justin. I think that as a CEO of a massive company, like, visible, yeah. Just like if you do it by saying, yeah, if you're, yeah. I'm not saying he did that. I don't have behind the scenes part of you guys.

You guys, I mean, you guys remember the Christmas parties at 24th Fitness. Yeah, they stopped them because the last one that I went to, there was, no, no, were you at the last one? Yes, the one that ended all. I was at the end. I was explaining what happened because I heard all the rumors. I just turned this one.

Two times in that night, there was an ambulance that had to show up to the party. And there was multiple times that I went to the bathroom and VPs and DMs were in a line waiting for people to do coke in the bathroom stalls. It's just, you know, it's so funny because you talk about this. It's not a standing example. You talk about a lot about, we talk about this in general for general population, the bench, the restrict bench relationship that a lot of people have. And to think that these leaders in these companies

would be immune to that, it's crazy. They absolutely have this same relationship where you gotta be tight on the diet and you exercise and you're perfect all the time. Yeah, you put on this image of health all the time. So then you get that one party every quarter or at the end of the year to cut loose. And when they cut loose, they cut loose.

So I remember I went to one, I only went to one Christmas party. And I remember at the time, my wife at the time, we walk in and she's like, what? Because the way that people were dressing was insane. It was like a marty-grot. Yeah, the way people were walking in, she's like, this is a, you work here? They don't dress like this at work, it's where the God is.

Yeah, the last one I went to, I was in an all white suit. And my girlfriend at the time, we didn't have very much money, we had just started, it was like in my early 20s. We bought, God, what's there? There's a famous wedding dress in San Francisco that you guys, a name, maybe Doug. Company?

No, yeah, company. If I said the name, you guys would know the name, but it's a very, All the. Company? No, yeah, company. If I said the name, you guys would know the name, but it's a very... In a very oddment word. All the women right now are yelling at the podcast right now. Ah, whatever it is. For sure, a big name. We go there and she needs a dress for the party

and she bought this big old, just call him a Clint talk. Just come, Clint talk, is that name? Give me that point. Give me that point. I know that. Oh, yeah, that one. Yeah, I don't expect you guys to know I know that. I know that. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that one.

Yeah, I don't expect you guys to know those names, but I know somebody listening will. Anyways, they're like really expensive wedding dresses. And, you know, we're young kids, we don't have any money. She wore that white dress all night long and we returned it the next day. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, so bad.

Should we give it a tag off? Yeah, do you have a tag? Yeah, talk to it in the back. Talk to it in there. I mean, it was like, I don't know, probably like a $600 dress, which was a lot of money for us, for sure, at that point of our lives. And we didn't have a dress or anything for her for that night. We were in the city, we were spending two nights out there, and we went all white. We were all white out. Like we were going to a wedding. And that was the

party where the ambulance had showed up. Now, one, I only saw one of the, they were like passed out, vomited on themself in the hallway, because they rent, what they would do is they rent out, I think that was like the Hilton or something that they rented the entire place out in San Francisco, and then like everybody has, and you can bring a gas, yeah, you can bring a gas, but everybody flies in, they're family and friends,

you have all these people in this company, you have a company that has tens of thousands of people that are working for it, that are all flying into this. We take over this entire place and it's just a massive dance and food party all night long and it goes all night. And then you have your rooms are there. So people were just pushing the limits and yeah, two different people had to get rushed to the hospital and that was when they finally said like, okay, we can't.

This is the last one. Yes. Did you ever go to one, Justin? No, no, they cut all that by the time I got there. So yeah, that and the white trip. So pissed. Why they cut the Hawaii trip? That was money.

That was right after the, you know, you know why they got a trouble? Do you guys know the origin of that was? The origin of the Hawaii trip? So I talked to, I want to say, Master off told me this years ago. So he was the founder of 24. Apparently, it's, what was it?

July, was it July? Were they give away? Yeah, it was always their worst month. It was their worst month. So the July was business. Yes. And so they came up with this idea where they would give away a trip to Hawaii to a member. So the way you would enter to win is you, every time you worked out, you would fill

out an interform. And then the top producers in the company would also win Hawaii trip. And the idea was if we do this, we can turn July into a better month, it actually worked. July went from being their worst month to being one of the top producing months, second only to like January and February.

Yeah. You think of the brilliance of the guy? No, what did that do? You guys remember the, oh, is that it? Yeah, Gunny Sacks, namely that dress company. Jessica McClendon oh, is that it? Yes, this is it. Yeah, Gunny Sacks, namely that dress company. Jessica McClendon, did buy it, and she's since passed on, she was 90 when she died.

Oh, okay. I don't know the lot about this kind of stuff. Yeah, I don't know. Randomly. Random fact, dress, it's not random, I mean, you know a lot about this stuff. That was real. So, what?

It's impressive, Adam. Big dress guy. Big dress guy. Did you win a Hawaii trip? You did, huh? Yeah, it went to all of them, dude. Yeah, I went to Hawaii. I went to, I think I did four of the Christmas parties.

I did Hawaii four or five years until it wasn't happening anymore. So the first year I couldn't go. And then the next year after that, and for the next four years, that was my favorite trip. That was a big deal too. And it was funny, forget that it was Hawaii and it was paid for. That stuff didn't matter as much. It was just the pride of you were number one

in your position to get to go to that. And that was such a big deal. I was cleaning out the garage the other day and I found my box of, I still won't get rid of them. Your shitty glass trophies. Yeah, that's all I got. You did great. Just because you only got to go to Hawaii

and you get like, just, I gotta fucking, just that you. Just because you have the least about a trophy. So I have So I have a very short window. I have a but in fact my very first month there I won So this is 1997 so I'm 18 year old kid and I got whatever first place trophy. They misspelled my last name. Oh really? Yeah, they misspelled it. They miss, I still have it, but I have the box with all the, too exotic, all the trophies and stuff. And Jessica keeps telling me, is that can we throw these away?

I was like, no, these are, I gotta keep these. You know, for as many as really, I was there before and I was there afterwards, right? So you didn't have the opportunity to work there afterwards. And it was really crazy to watch the way that could shift an entire culture of us. Totally. And it really highlights how much we strive for that recognition in front of our peers. That's everything. Especially in competitive environment.

It has to go down as one of the dumbest things that I've ever did was getting rid of that. When they did the million dollar production award. So this was, for people who sold a million dollars worth of commissionable revenue. So when you would sell a membership, some of it was commissionable, personal training, some of it was commissionable. When you reach a million dollars, you'd get this award. And it was like the million dollar club.

And you'd get a ring and the whole deal. That was a big deal. That was a big deal That was a very big. I mean, I got that as a young kid and I remember getting that and the all the other people that got it Had been with them when they were nautilus like way back in the day So I felt so to this day like that's the one. I'll never get rid of that. Yeah, that award right there I mean, that's my origin on the whole Rolex thing right? That's why I'm such a with the whole big deal about having those watches And why that's why that's so important to me. It says they robbed that of me. I mean, I'll never forget

Literally like making this goals around this time. We didn't get the million dollar because of that No, so what happened was so every year the number one producer in that in in your position They gave away the role actually a total revenue for the whole year I remember that. Yeah. And so that was, and that was a big goal for me, like going into the next year, and I said, I set out that, okay, I'm going to win the Rolex this year. And so I committed to not taking a day off of work. I literally worked like six months without going to be saying this. And I was crushing the, like the next, the second

place guy was like, I could almost cruise the rest of the year at the halfway point. And I think it was in October, September, October, and a mass email comes out that says that we're no longer going to be doing this. I was so fucking infuriated that I had already gone three quarters of the year at this point of dedicating my life to like, getting reaching this, year at this point of dedicating my life to like getting reaching this that I emailed the the the divisional president they got on the phone with the the VP and like went back and I was so angry that not only did they do that but then also like that they didn't even they didn't do something to like make me feel better about it. I had my young kid bus in my ass like sacrificing all these days to try and to win this award.

I mean, you're talking about it. I'm a really good, really good person. I didn't do anything. It was even more like a, a sorry that, you know, that we, times are tough right now. The economy was doing rough. And it was just like, man, I'm like one of your top producers. There's, I mean, I'm representative one percent of the one percent of this company to not get like a, you know, something.

I mean, the old, the old divisional president would send me tickets to warriors games and things like that. The old guys knew how to do that. And it would have been just like, I think the gesture alone would have probably made it sting less to not win that, but to be on pace to win that for sure and then not, and then of course,

so that was the beginning and for me of like being obsessed. Did they stop at that point? The million dollar producer everything all all the trophies, all the Rolex stuff, all the the Mont Blanc pens, all the things that they used to do for the rings, all the awards that they used to give to the employees for achieving these milestones. They completely eliminated all of that. Yeah, kill the culture. Yeah, no, terrible.

I gotta bring up a cool, interesting study. Have you guys ever met somebody that looks like you, like kind of uncannily? You're looking at them like, oh, okay, is that happen all the time? Yeah, all right. That's, there's a lot of me out there. Yeah, it's like, so,

well, so I read an interesting study. This is really weird. So, doppeldingers, right? That's a term for. When somebody, doppelganger, did I say, a ganger, yeah. Ganger or danger? Ganger.

Ganger, yeah. So, when somebody looks like you, obviously they have similar genetics. This is what they're finding. This is like similar genetics. They did a test on doppelgangers and they found that not only do they look alike, they have similar personalities, similar life choices. So literally, if you see someone that looks like you, the odds that they behave like you are significantly higher than if they look like, if they don't look like you. I thought that was very strange. That's weird.

Isn't that weird? So next time you meet someone, it looks like you. Just give them five. Give them five. Ask if they want to go to coffee or something. Coffee? I don't like this. I know you like cheese, bro.

Cause I do too. That's wild, right? That is weird. Isn't that weird? That's super. Now, so this kind of echoes the studies on twins. Although twins are identical genetically, but you guys have read those studies right,

where there's like twins separated, and they, you know, at birth or whatever, and then they ran into each other, and they're like both married, like very similar women or husbands, they have the same job, they both have a favorite cigarette or a favorite serial, I've ever read those. Yeah, yeah.

They're so weird. It's so well-known. I don't know if I think that's more fascinating, or the random stranger who just looks like you having somewhere I think that's more crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah I've never met anybody like a hundred percent what that kind of trips me out You've never been like so if you're in a certain part of America like for me. It was the Midwest I swear to God like every I don't know

20 30 people I would see somebody looks kind of similar to me. It was yeah, it was kind of creepy You know common face. That are a lot of ingredients. I'll just get our seat out there. Just got a lot of things. Yeah, it's kind of gangus con like. A lot of attractive thumb. It doesn't have to be with.

Yeah, yeah. Anyway, interesting, right? It was interesting, right? The role that genetics plays on your decisions and your behaviors and stuff like that. It's always a trip, you know, to read that. Yeah, yeah. What was that one documentary with the tri trip, you know, to read that. What was that one documentary with the triplets,

those dudes? Oh, that's good. It was that of documentaries, it was like a movie, like they made a movie out of the three guys. Now, what I like about that is that highlighted the power of genetics, but also the power raised, right? They all, this was, okay, spoiler alert, if you watch this, I'm gonna give away.

Three identical strangers. Three identical strangers, separated birth and nature versus nurture. I'm going to give away a spoiler. As an experiment, they got divided as experiments to see how one growing up in a poor house, one in a rich house, one in a, you know, whatever, what was the influence of genetics or environment. This is the great, now a lot of things were similar, but here's a crazy part, they all suffered from depression, so there's genetics, but one of them committed suicide. They lived in a house with an unloving household. So it was the thing that pushed them over the edge. Whereas the other two just struggled with depression and learned how to kind of battle through it. Yeah.

Crazy. I can't remember how much, who's the actor that there's a famous actor that we know that's in there? How true they stated the story? Was it, it wasn't a documentary, it was a movie. I don't think they had a documentary, did they? It was kind of like a documentary. I know it was a study. What do you call that?

What do you call it when it's like a movie that's based on the drama? A documentary? A documentary. Oh yeah, but then they did show the actual, I mean, they did show the actual, I know that's what I mean. Like, did they stay true? Because you know, that's the one thing about those documentary dramas. It's like, oh, the then they did show the actual, I mean, this was that they did show the actual I know That's I mean like it today's day true because you know, that's one thing about those docus dramas It's like the some of it's true like there was three twins all the rest of the shits made up there Yeah, well the depression and suicide of one of them was real That was real okay, yeah, I couldn't remember if that happened or not. Did you find it then?

I think it's really more of a documentary. Yeah, that's what I remember you're slow today I see Over there. What are you doing over there? You want a porn hub? What's going on? Stop, I'll put a help of brother out over here. Hey, hold on, let me, I'm a real study. It was a real study. No, not the study guy.

No, it's a movie that came out. It's a documentary, the thing that three identical strengths is that it's actually a documentary. Pull it up so I can actually see it, or we can just guess over here. No, it's a documentary. Remember it's specific. There was a movie that they made off of it too. And that's what I thought you were talking about.

So there's a movie. I have not familiar with the movie. Yeah, there's a movie. Well, you're the one with Google in front of you. Maybe you can find it. I know for sure there's a movie. Yeah, that's the one I watched. And that's, yeah, that's it right there.

And that's the three of them. So it's an actual documentary. Yes, yes. And it's, I mean, also, by the way, can I just say this, scientific studies, I don't know if they still like this, but man, studies in the 70s were messed up, the shit that they got away with.

Yeah. With people, it's crazy. How do they get away with it? Don't you think we still do really bad shit like that, we just don't talk about it? Probably. I would think we're too. Yeah, probably.

We're just now finding out about MK Ultras, so. Yeah, that's pretty well. But they got separated on purpose, just to see how they would all, it's crazy. There was another study that showed, there were twins one went to North Korea, one went to South Korea. Did you see this one?

There were identical twins. The IQ difference was significant between the two of them. Same genetics, one was far smarter. They think I had to do with malnutrition because North Korea obviously poor, communist country, South Korea being a wealthy, capitalist country. And if you looked at their faces,

you could see the difference the nutrition made. So they look identical, but one looks healthy and a little taller and a lot of stuff, the other one not as good. At what point do you think IQ doesn't make that big of a difference? What do you mean? So what score?

Obviously, the different someone who scores extremely low versus someone who scores high, there's a dress there. It's just like a happiness. What do you mean in terms of IQ? I think the study is in stuff that we have around making more money. Once you reach a level, then there's other factors that are far more important. I actually heard Elon Musk talking about this, he was talking about IQ and he was,

and I think he said once you get above 100, he goes, he goes, it's actually not that big of a deal. Not meaning that the person who scores 140 isn't way more than 100, it's just that there's other factors, hard work, consistency, discipline. Like, yeah, yeah, exactly. Those things now play as much,

if not a bigger role in your overall pursuit of success, right? So what point do you think that is? Like do you think that where's IQ almost irrelevant at that point? Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I haven't seen the data on that, but I would agree with them. I think also intelligence is also correlated

with mental illness, anxiety, and I can't remember something else, but mental illness as well. So once you start to go past a certain point, you see more mental illness start to play a role. They're not quite sure what the way that it is. Well, isn't it, too? I mean, you're trying to constantly solve problems a lot of times when you're at that level.

I know I've heard Elon Musk talk about this, too. It's just like it's plagued with like, I feel like I have answers to help in this category and to always have that constantly run your mind all day long. That's true dogs are really happy aren't they? Yeah. I just think too, how often, how many times you meet someone who's really brilliant like that and they're socially awkward. Yeah. And you know, your social awareness skills are important to leadership, to be on the run of company and things like that. So at one point, it probably even works against you, right? You get so, you get to a point where you can't get out of your own head. So,

it'd be interesting to see what they have as far as like once you hit a certain point. It's like anything beyond that and it's like your other skills set. Well, you know, a lot of the IQ boosts that we saw in the 20th century correlated with height boosts that we saw in the 20th century, but those had more to do with nutrition. Nutrition, yeah. Nutrition deficiencies that were then the biggest problem that we saw. Yeah, like people were people were people were so short back then because they didn't get like nutrients. Yeah.

And then so and like in my family, right? So my family from Sicily, everybody's kids, everybody jokes around how the kids are so much taller than the grand, like my grandmother, grandmother, like a Sicilian grandmother's typically like fair as because they got fed finally. They're just hiding, right? They're little, right?

But yeah, that's what it is. And their kids all get to come out taller and that's because of nutrient nutrient deficiency. And same thing with IQ IQ that the IQ shot up not because of anything other than the fact that they were just were malnourished before. And lead, lead played a role too. Oh yeah. Lead and gasoline. Actually, did you know they connected that to violence? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that. Going from lead to unleaded reduction in violence. Okay. So it was like 70s or 80s. When the they take it out of gasoline. Good question. I think the 70s

70s, 70s figured that out there was some some state that came out that like a true group of lead. I did that explains a lot right? So why I'm speaking of cognition and cognitive performance. So I'm so excited that I'm a guy and if I did this so peak power was the product that I helped up them put together Right, so this is like a stimulant base for people know like stimulant based Product there's caffeine in it, but there's other botanicals that kind of balance it out. I give you this like euphoric Energetic kind of high right so it's really good for productivity for workouts that kind of stuff Pure was a product that they already had. That is non-stimulant, right? But it's also a cognitive boost. And you know, you take it and you just kind of feel good.

And I was combining the two. I did that this morning. I always take pure with peak power, because I like to combine things to see what happens. Really, really great combination. Well, they put together a bundle just for you. Just for, yeah, the audience, because I talked to them and they said, hey, you know, peak power and pure go really great together. Why don't you guys make a bundle that did that. So for the audience doesn't know, you can combine the two and you will see sounds. He's good. Why didn't I have this one as in college, you know,

like that would have been great before to study and. We had Jolt Cola. We had Jolt. They still have the matter. Yeah, yeah. Now Jolt Cola. I just caught off the phone actually, it would true. He's, you know, he's a new daddy right now, right? We had Jolt Cola. We had Jolt. They still have the matter. Yeah. Yeah. Jolt Cola.

I just caught off the phone, actually, it would be true. He's, you know, he's a new daddy right now, right? He just had his baby girl, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. He's getting sleepy, please say. You know, he actually sounds like it. I think that I think that, I think that he had a pretty good system.

I think he's got a pretty good support as far. I think he's got a nanny. I think his wife has the ability to stay home. I think they have a lot. I think they have a lot. And then they're our family. And so, I mean, he just seems like he's full of joy. That's what it sounds like. You know, I feel like you could hear that in someone's voice

when they have their first kid. Like, you could just, they change, everybody changed. I haven't met anybody yet who has a kid who I can't feel or tell a significant difference in just, how can he not, unless you just, you don't know, you have to, right? You got this little kid for the first time in your life, you care about something more than yourself, which is crazy because you don't realize it

until you have the kid. Because if I say that to somebody that doesn't have kids, they're like, we're talking about, I love my wife, I love my parents more than I love myself, just wait till you have a kid. Do you think that's more dramatic? Like that was really, that was a big thing for me, right? And I know it was a very selfish person.

It was openly. I knew I was very selfish. Yeah, you boasted about it. I don't know about that. No, I knew I was selfish. Yeah, I was aware enough to know that I was on a long streak of a very, very selfish person. And then settling down and finally having a kid, that swing of for the first time in my life, recognizing like, oh wow, I truly,

love this thing more than myself. Like and actually felt that for the very first time. I've probably said that, oh, I love these other things more, but until I felt that I realized like, oh no, I've never more than myself until this moment. So do you think that's more dramatic for some people? Like that was such a big deal to me. Do you think some people that are like selfless people

and that were born to help others? I mean, of course, I'm sure there's differences from the first person. Like that's not the impact that they have. Yeah, but I mean, most people I think have that feeling. You're not a very selfish person, Justin. Did you feel that way? How did you feel?

First of all, I want to say, I'm always glad to see like dog people when they finally have a kid because it's so annoying when they compare them. Well, I have a dog. Yeah, I was a dog person like that. The most annoying thing ever. I just, one of my friends just, he was that guy and then he just had a son. It's amazing to watch that transformation and to see kind of that energy shift, but yeah, I don't know.

For me, I was just apprehensive about the whole idea of it. Like I didn't, I wasn't ever think I'd be ready for it. So it wasn't like, I don't know that I'm like a selfish person, but it was more just like, I'm just trying to figure out like what I can do to provide and get myself in a good place, financially and all that kind of stuff. Like I was very much more of a practical,

like I got married and then I was like, I know it's gonna happen at some point, but like then it was just like, bam, like through the birth control and everything and like, whoa, okay, here we go. Like, it's bigger this out. Yeah, I don't know, she got a prenat, well, she was on birth control.

Yeah, man, it was like the first year too, or married. So when you got, okay, so- So- I don't know. She got a prenat. Well, she was on birth. Yeah, man. It was like the first year, too, or married. So when you got a total surprise, I don't think I've ever asked you this before. So I do know that story. But then I never asked you like, so were you guys like, Oh, let's be married for five years. Let's travel to that. What was the plan? What was the original? Yeah, it was a few years in like we were, I mean, we had talked about having kids at some point, but it because she at the time too was like working like graveyard shifts and everything. And it, but it, because she, at the time too, was like working like graveyard shifts and everything. And so it was just like, you know, we're just trying to like stockpile and get ourselves in a better situation. First, it was like,

yeah, it was like a five year sort of idea of it, you know, at that point, like maybe we'll, we'll start a family and do the whole thing. How soon, how soon have you got married? Did you guys get pregnant? It was literally, we were like, oh my God, it was probably a couple months because in the next year, like we had it. Right away. Yeah, yeah. Wow.

So it's price. Bingo. It's like, wow, I guess that wedding dress had an effect on things. I don't know what happened, but it just was powerful. So I'm showing. Now you were different. You were ready to start a family.

You guys were like, let's do this. We waited. So this is my first, my first year. You waited because you guys were in high school. Well, 22, I got married to 22, so I waited. But you guys knew each other from high school, right? You guys dated in high school or whatever. So we waited and then we started trying

on 26, I want to say, and then successfully had the kids. But then after getting divorced and that whole That's very challenging situation. I was for sure wanted no more kids never again not gonna do it I have my two gonna focus on them It was just traumatic right getting divorced on stuff. It's just kind of traumatic and then you know I met Jessica and you just if you open yourself up to the whole thing the truth is not everybody's like this for me It's like I love family. I love big families And so I made that step and I said okay

I'll do this again. I'll do this again. I know it's hard, but I'll do it again and man. I'm happy. I'm so happy I did a really this was planned dollia wasn't but it was just a pleasant, you know pleasant surprise Yeah, I don't know if I told you guys this before We planned for a really this we had a like a I don't know if I told you guys this. Before we planned for a rail use, we had a, like, I don't know, I want to call it a scare, but we thought she might be. And at the time, we were going through some struggles because she was kind of like, you know, I think, you know, if we should get married

and maybe have kids and I was still against it, kind of like, no, I don't think I want to do this. I'm not sure. She came to me and she was like, oh, I think I've missed my period for a couple of weeks. My reaction, which told me a lot about myself, wasn't fear. It wasn't, uh-oh, it was joy. Like my initial, she told me that and I initially smiled and became happy. And I'm so, and she saw that so she could see that that was, that was true.

And then to myself, I said, well, that's an interesting reaction. I guess maybe this is something that I you know that I want. So I'm glad I went. Did any of you or any of your siblings that they all have multiple kids? No. Is there like a sometimes in a family? My mom is sister doesn't want me. Okay.

I was going to say because sometimes in a family like that, you know, one kid has an experience where they all I want a big family. And then the other kid is like the opposite. No, also it's four of us. My youngest doesn't want to have any kids. And that's been a challenge for my whole family. So I said, oh my God, how can you not? Yeah.

And what does she tell you why? Does she say, I mean, my sister's not having kids. Just doesn't want to. It's too much work, responsible. I don't know. There's not really a lot of reasons that she gives. And we respect her. She's a good person, very good person.

I mean, she's that she was the youngest, right? And so you had a part of watching her get raised and you probably recall all that. Is there any, did she have a significantly different experience than you feel? I mean, you probably, right? I'd actually think that your parents were more chill and actually, yeah, better environment. She wasn't around little kids, I think, because she was also in the generation of, the that generation, she was in the younger,

cousin generation, so there were no younger cousins, at least not for a while. So I grew up, I was in the older cousins generation, plus I had three younger siblings. So I was around little kids all the time. I was comfortable with little kids. I was always around kids, playing with them younger cousins, whereas she never was. I don't know. Maybe that played a role. I don't know. You guys must drive her crazy. I can only imagine.

I mean, I was the guy who wasn't going to have to say too much here because if she listens to the guy, I can only imagine. So I feel for her because I know what it's like to be in a family that has a, like, especially like with Katrina's family Who's huge like that like in everybody putting that pressure of like winning and have a kid? Why not why not just like then I bet it turns to a point two years like fuck I'm not having just to not have it well I respect everybody's decision, okay, but here's a deal the number. This is a fact. This is this the data Okay, I'm just citing the data

But the number one most regretted thing that people will say on their deathbed is not having kids. That's the top number one thing. With women, it's like 80%. It's, and actually the data also shows that childless women pass the certain age of significant percentage and majority. In fact, it was unintended. So it wasn't that they said they don't want to have kids is that they waited and they got their career and then by the time they found so it's too late. And you know that's happening more than ever right now too right? I mean we've pushed that off and I forgot who was breaking it down what they talked about. I mean you think about this movement, this feminist movement to empower women in the workforce and push that kind of narrative. I mean, you think about this movement, this feminist movement to empower women in the workforce

and push that kind of narrative. I mean, they start doing the math like, well, okay, she's 20 years old. She goes to college for six or eight. It's a good job. It's a good job. It's a good job. It takes another three to five years

to actually climb the ladder. Now she's making all this money. And now you wake up, you're 32, you know? Yeah. I have a niece that I've watched it in front row seat of Katrina. Yeah, because they're different. They're absolutely beautiful, intelligent,

kills it, business-wise, and but wants to be married. But it's like, really, that was not the focus until 30 something and then it's like, man, and then the pool just gets smaller and smaller for women at that age. I know. It's difficult.

It's tough, it's because we don't necessarily as men, we don't have that same struggle, right? Because we could technically we'll have the biological clock. Yeah, you get kids almost, I mean, pretty much the end to the day you die as long as you're healthy. Well, plus men will also marry across and down, where women will marry across and up.

Yeah. So that limits even more. I'm not gonna say too much, because I used to train, somebody somebody was very successful female woman. She was in her 50s very successful. And she's like, I can't find. I don't, I don't like to date anybody. I don't want to date anybody.

And so we had this really hard heart conversation. And I said, you comfortable dating someone who's less successful than you? Because she was so successful that it would be very hard to find somebody, right? And she said, now I am. but when I was younger, no. And she goes and it was really hard to find somebody. I mean, that's like my niece. I know that she, I know that's what she wants. She wants, you know, she's like, her dream is like a power couple, right?

So finding another guy who's, you know, as educated or more and asks if she's already, and she's already bumped herself up into the small percentage as it is male or female and then finding a man that's that a around her age that also was not married doesn't have kids and that wants that same thing as it's just tough. And the dating apps haven't made it easier. They're now showing that the dating apps actually have made it less likely, which is really great. Yeah, you guys know that there's a really good interview, shout out to our buddy, Chris Williamsson. He interviewed that girl, Cody Sanchez,

who I've shared with you guys a couple of times, and they got into that and saying that dating apps, she makes a point that she thinks that dating apps were one of the worst things that had ever happened to our society for those reasons. I just think that, I agree. I think that you think that it would make it easier better, but all it did was take us back.

You know what's weird? When you look at the data on this kind of stuff, and I can't necessarily explain this, we could speculate, but when you look at arranged marriages, arranged marriages, you'd even pick the person, your parents and your parents. It's the same rates we hire. Super high success rates and satisfaction.

Huh? What? That's so counter to what we're led to. I'm not saying this, we're led to leave. Super high success rates and satisfaction. Huh, what? That's so counter to what we're led to. I'm not saying this, we're led to lead. But it's that when you understand that love is a choice, it's not that weird to me, because those people are choosing to love that partner. That's where I was misled.

I was told or felt like when I was a kid that it's this fairy-tell thing that it's just supposed to hit you and you're, and then I say forever. It's this feeling that you're gonna have and you'll know when you know and it's like, you know, it's a verb, it's an action. You are choosing to love something. And understanding that empowers you to go,

oh, okay, well, let me, and then you figure parents who know their kids really well and know their values and the things that make something last really long-tuke, okay, these two would make a good match. And then if they're open-minded because that's how they've done it in their culture for generations, they then choose to love them

and then it will, it's happening. You know that the credible relations. I had an old client, and I say old, like literally, they were in their 80s and we talked about this once. And Mrs. Zach, when I was having some struggles or whatever, so I'd ask some questions about marriage. And they said, you know, when I was a kid, when I was younger, I should say that marriage was a,

it was like, we are gonna do this because we're gonna do life together and really what it is about raising children together. And she said, and then it shifted to, you're gonna fulfill me in its love. It's like this in love thing, and we're gonna fulfill each other. And they said, that's when it all went wrong.

Because the way I grew up, of course talking about themselves, it was like, oh, you and I, we like each other, we care about each other, but we're gonna do this, we're gonna go through life together, we're gonna raise children together. That's what this is about. It's about raising children and having this family.

It's not about you fulfill me, I fulfill you. If I'm not happy, it's your fault vice versa. It was just really enlightening conversation. So that might be why the whole arranged marriage thing. And I really don't, and I'm not like technically advocating for arranged marriages, right? But I do think there's something to learn from that, right? I think there's something in the middle, right?

I know this conversation will always trigger somebody right now that I'm, of course. I can't believe you guys are saying that. Oh, whoa, that's just crazy. But there's, I mean, if it's been so successful for so long, it's like what we talk about with the science and the health and fitness space, it's like, it's worth investigating.

It's worth being open-minded enough to hear about it. What's in there that's working? Yeah, what is working and why is it working so well for so many people? What can I take from that and apply with the views that I have around that? I think that's the most important part of that conversation. It's not necessarily like, oh, we should all go arrange marriages now. It's just like, okay, well, maybe not. But then what is it that they've done or why did it work so well?

I think it's the points that we're making. I'm going to take a left here. I wanna tell you guys what I'm gonna be doing with mphormones.com. So I'm gonna be changing my strategy a little bit. So when we were at the Olympia, do you guys remember the doctor's name that we were sitting with?

We had dinner with him and Don. I feel so upset that I forgot his name because I wanted to give him a shout out. It's a, maybe Doug confined his, I know, I have it. It's really smart guy. He's been working in, Dwayne.

Is it Dwayne? Is it Dwayne, right? Yeah, Dr. Dwayne something. So let's find his name because I want to give him a shout out. Anyway, really smart guy. And he was talking about the, Jackson, Dr. Dwayne Jackson. Was it?

Okay. So this guy's been working with hormones and athletes and bodybuilders who are on the extreme end of that, right, for a long time, decades. And this is just something that fascinates me. And so we were talking about like, well, how do you, what is the slight working with these high-level bodybuilders? We're on all these crazy drugs. And this and that.

He was telling us how, like, the whole idea is to keep them from not dying. And then after the show is to try to bring them back to equilibrium because they're also messed up. So we have this conversation about that. And then we got into the conversation about, like, TRT, right? And I said, do you think it's beneficial? Because I've heard this before and there's a debate. Is it beneficial once you are on TRT to do a period of going off trying to reset your receptors, your angiogen

receptors, and then going back on. Because what happens, and here's the explanation you gave that really was really powerful. Anytime you use a substance, that substance affects your body by interacting with receptors. What ends up happening with the body is the body will down regulate those receptors over time, and you'll need more of that same substance to elicit the same effect. So caffeine is an easy example, right? You first start drinking coffee,

one shot of espresso puts you through the roof. Next thing you know, you need two shots, three shots, now you're immune, it feels like to caffeine. Because of 500 milligrams of tea. Like just it. Because your receptors have down regulated, and so what you do is you go off coffee for a couple weeks, go back on it.

Oh, now the magic is back. And he says, well, this happens with Androgens. He said bodybuilders have learned now throughout the years because they're the cosmonauts in all this, so they experiment with all this stuff. That there's a sweet spot. And just adding more anabolic doesn't help. You just get more side effects.

So what he does with his athletes is he takes them on low doses for a while, resets their receptors. So I said, do you think that's good for people on TRT? I mean, I know they're not bodybuilders, we're not using the same kind of stuff. And he says, yeah, he goes, what you should probably do is occasionally,

try to go off, try to boost your natural testosterone through HCG and something called inclamapheme, which is a, it's known as a selective estrogen receptor modulator. So it does it tricks the body into breusing more testosterone. It says you go off for a few months, get your natural levels back up, then go back on TRT and that same dose now feels super effective. So I think I'm gonna pursue this. Max, are you gonna do like Clomet or ACG?

What are you gonna do? Inclomaphine. So Clomaphine is a version of Clomaphine that is less side effects and more effective at raising test options. I already, I was on the phone. I was on the phone with the people over there, and I said, I wanna try this out.

And so they're gonna put me on HCG and that, and it's gonna, I'm gonna go off, and then I'll stay on that for a few months, and then go back on. So, isn't it like, come and practice for like, if you're doing bodybuilder doses, right? You go through like cycles, right?

But that's never talked about for just people like constantly on tier two. No, and this is a debate debate because there's a lot of doctors that say, no, you don't need to do this. This is stupid. Just stay on the whole time. Well, needing and optimal or two different things too, though. So I mean, it's just like, I just want to do it

because I want to experience it because here's the other end of the coin here or the other side of the coin. There's a lot of, some men, especially young men, with low testosterone don't need to go on TRT if they do the protocol that I'm about to go through. Some oftentimes, when I was talking on the phone, I said, it's just successful.

I said, oh yeah, we get a third year old guy with low testosterone, we don't put them on TRT right away. We have them do this protocol, and they said, in oftentimes the protocol alone kicks them up, and then they don't need to go on TRT. I mean, it reminds me of when I figured out like how valuable fasting was for someone who was bulking.

I mean, it was like, it's this, you're constantly trying to decensitize. Yeah. And it seems so counterintuitive to, oh, you're trying to gain weight, you're trying to bulk, how about fast assimilating? Yeah, go fast for 24 hours. You're like, huh? Why would I do that? Or run a week of, you know, a calorie deficit, you're trying to bulk. How about fast assimilating? Yeah, go faster 24 hours. You're like, huh? Why would I do that? Or run a week of, you know, a calorie deficit

where you're low calories for a whole week. It seems counterintuitive to do that. But, you know, again, time and time again, I've seen a lot of success, not only personally with myself, but with clients that after I do that, they all, we go back to the bulk again, and we always seem to lean body mountains. Yeah, we pick up a couple pounds from that

We get a little bit stronger. They have an easier time eating and assimilating the food Just you know it works and so it would make sense to me that you know I'm gonna pay attention to like what I noticed I noticed a drop in performance. Do I notice you know? I do I feel different better and then when I go back on is it gonna feel different so Now when you do are you gonna pull off all peptides to or you just have no one thing at a time now? We think I am crazy.

Hey, you want to think you know, let's step at a time. Well, I want to do one piece of time. I can tell people that got the TRT. I'll take all 12 peptides. Yeah, you got that pep in your step. Speaking of eating and food and stuff, did you guys see the giveaway butcher box? What they're doing right now for the TV black? No, no, no, no, no, no, Doug, what is it?

It's like, you go to butcher box. If you sign up for butcher box, they'll let you pick a steak that they'll send you for free for a year in your box. That's my understanding. Yeah, you can choose a steak that's in your box. Any steak? Any steak according to what's on the list. So you year in your box. That's my understanding. Yeah, you can choose a stake that's in your box. Any stake? Any stake according to what's on the list. So you got your normal box.

For a year, and you can add for a year they'll throw in your box and no additional cost. This is like their Black Friday or whatever deal that's going on. They're so brilliant by doing that. I think they hacked into something by having these like all these different, each time there's gotta be somebody who's like,

oh, that's what I want. They say, you know when butcher box came out, I'm like, it's just a trend like that. For sure. When butcher box came out, they were highly criticized. Really? It was a subscription model for meat. Who did that before?

There was that one company that did it. There's that one? Yeah, there it was. Oh my heart. Yeah, yeah. Oh my heart stays. Yeah, but then there was like, oh, oh, you're gonna do this, but you're gonna make it grass-fed.

You're gonna do all this stuff. Like, it's not gonna work. And it turned into, and it Yeah, but then there was like, oh, you're gonna do this, but you're gonna make it grass-fed. You're gonna do all sorts of stuff. Like, it's not gonna work. And it turned into, and it was all internet-based at first, they turned into this massive company. I mean, that's the part that's most brilliant about to me is that if you actually start to do the math when you add in the things that are for free, you're getting it shipped to your house,

it's grass-fed, the price is like competitive. Oh, you can. Yeah, I mean, you're not gonna be able to compete with a grain fed Costco steak, but if you buy point, yeah, it's not the point. If you want one of the complaints that people have when they go all grass fed on some of that is it's more expensive, you know, all organic grass fed stuff is going to be more expensive. And so to be able to buy it in bulk like this and get be able to get a reduced price and have it shipped to your house. It's like a no brainer. It's so different too, like

because they also have wild caught fish. Have you had, well you guys, I'm sure you guys have, probably not you Justin, because you don't eat fish, but I'm scared of fish. Yeah. Do you, when you get wild caught salmon versus farm salmon? Yeah. Wow. Is it different? Farms salmon is like this, they must be obese. The color looks so different. Yeah. Yeah. They're like, it's like like it's like 50% fat. And then the wild caught salmon is like a leaner, even though it's a fatty fish. Looks so, you know, that was trippy for me. So in London, they're known for their breakfast, right? They're they're they're English full English breakfast. Yes, right? So they're by the way, beans on toast for Americans who've never had that. Sounds gross. It's delicious. It's gross. No, you don't like it?

No, that's not good. It doesn't like it? No, it was so good. I liked it, I liked it. I liked it breakfast. That was like one of my, no. Why'd you eat it then? I saw you eat it.

I just, because I wanted to try it. When it rolled, right? Yeah, right, right. It was good, dude. Beans on toast is good. I mean, I liked it. I liked the way they did their scrambled eggs, so those were pretty good.

They added milk to them, of course. I'm, you know, I'm mashing it. I'm in a place with a tortilla, but it'd be per in zone tortilla. Oh, well, that's called a brief. The whole breakfast with a tortilla to me would be like we'd make it that much better Big toast guy for sure, but what was interesting to me no matter what restaurant or where we are at in the city the eggs what restaurant or where we are at in the city, the eggs look so different. They were like orange. Yes. All of them.

That was the standard. Yeah, it wasn't like just like one restaurant was like that. That's what it was interesting. I don't see. They were all like that. It's like, oh, how much are eggs? I wonder why. Yeah, I don't know.

They probably give them more free range. Yeah, opportunity. Because dude, that's how it was when I had chickens and they were out there eating grubs and whatever insects up in my backyard, and it was like neon orange, like the yolks. Right, I mean, we had chickens growing up too, so I remember that also, but I'm surprised that you see that in one of the biggest cities.

I know. You would think that it would be more commercialized and they'd be pumping them out like crazy, like we have them over here. So I don't know what they're doing different over there. Maybe this mass produced. I don't know. Oh, crazy.

All right. One more thing I'm going to add. I know we're going along here, but one more thing I want to add. I heard about this the other day on the Joe Rogan podcast. I couldn't believe this was true. And then it dawned on me how hypocritical and strange this was. So I think it was, I wanna say Time Magazine, put this guy on the cover.

He is like, I think he was an ex-Google executive. Don't remember his name, but he's like this climate activist. And in the article, he said, quote, we would be so much better off if there were no humans left. Oh my God. Okay. So, and now when I hear that,

and everybody's like applauding him, oh yeah, he loves a climate He wants all humans to be gone because the climate somehow became their god. I don't know. It's very strange humans parasites. Yeah, trade that now trade that with somebody who went up there and said I don't want to kill all humans I just want to kill all the brown people or I just want to kill all the Jews or I just want to kill Nobody would put them on the cover, but because you said kill everybody, somehow that's okay. What the fuck is going on? It's so crazy about him, who was it that brought him up?

I thought one of those pictures. I heard him on a pod, I heard Rogan bring him up on a pod. I thought somebody brought him up on the one of their speeches. That's the one time I read. Now he goes back to Eugenics and all this stuff. What it literally is, is this is Jonathan Pageout to this talk, we'll post it at the arc convention we went to where he talks about your top value becomes your idol, becomes your God, and all your

other values will twist and morph themselves to serve this tyrannical God. So when you're a climate worshiper, there's nothing wrong with the environment, it's good value, but when that becomes your God, then it makes sense to kill all humans because everything else twists and morphs to serve this false idol. So crazy. Well, it's funny is the more humans we have, the more abundance we have, right? The more we cultivate our environment.

Yeah. Which, you know, the environment left alone is wild and treacherous and violent, you know, and we'll kill us, you know, so we should just get rid of everybody. Like, this is gonna enjoy the environment when there's no one here. Yeah. That doesn't make any sense to me. It's all it's all backwards to me. All right. We got a shout out. Did you already shout out Jonathan before? No, no, I want you to shout him out. Jonathan.

I'm a page out. Yeah. Oh, I did a while ago, but we're post this link to this this talk That he did. I think people should watch that for sure. No, I wanted to shout out the gentleman We saw that we hung out with in London when we went to that bar the curling. No, I wanted to shout out the gentleman we saw that we hung out in London. When we went to that bar, the curling. Oh, the one that we called? Yeah. That was actually one. I wish we had a screenshot of that moment

when that happened when she called her boyfriend. And he froze. I mean, it was cool because one, we don't have, like if you look at the way our listeners ship are like by age, right? How they break up, like the teenagers are the smaller. Like we tend to attract, you know, 35 to 45 an older population for the most part, right?

Of course, do we have some that are younger? But that's like their smallest demographic. So I always get excited when I meet like a young kid that like started listening to us at 15 or 16. He was 16 when he started. He was 16 years old and he's been listening for six or seven years. And when she called him and FaceTimed him

and we were all on the camera, he completely, I thought the camera had froze. Like I thought, oh shit, the internet's not working but he was just like, his mouth was wide open. He didn't say anything that he found out. And we're like, can you drive down here? Come hang out? I'll be there in 20 minutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, shot down. I have a great time that he found out. We're like, can you drive down here? Come hang out. I'll be there in 20 minutes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, shout out. I have a great time with that, too. Yeah, yeah, very nice guy. Really, really cool. Really, really cool. Yeah, another one of the nice guys. And his page is Eddie underscore Teddy, 21. Is that him?

That's correct. Yeah, so shout out to Eddie. Yeah, thanks for hanging out. Eddie Teddy. Look, if you have kids and you listen to the show, you're probably very, very interested in their health. It's probably very important to you. Most children's multivitamins are basically candy

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That's h i y a health.com forward slash mind pump. And on that link, you'll get 50% off your first order. All right, back to the show. First question is from Rachel Atkinson. What do the different foot and leg positions work on a leg press machine? Okay. This is a good question because You're gonna hear and see a lot of information about inner quad, outer quad, quad sweep type of deal, narrow wide stance type of deal.

The biggest difference with foot position on the leg press, it has to do and there's a difference when you go narrow to To wide and we'll get there, but the biggest in terms of development difference has to do with low versus high position on the platform. So low position, putting my feet low on it, I'm going to get more knee, flexion and extension, essentially, I'm going to get more quad, legs high on the platform, I'm going to get more hip extension, so I'm going to get more glute and hamstring. Now when it comes to narrow and wide, not big of a difference aside from, and this, I do see value in moving foot position for this, muscle recruitment patterns. The strength that you build in an exercise has carry over to other ranges of motion, but the vast majority

of the strength is pretty specific to the range of motion and but the vast majority of the strength is pretty specific to the range of motion and the way that you're training. In other words, if I build lots of strength with a narrow position, I'll have some carry over to the wide position, but most of it's going to be narrow. So what I'm getting at is you probably want to play with all of them and become mobile and comfortable. Don't even talk. Don't even put the value on.

Don't even talk. I know you're just gonna say, a guaranteed Justin's never done any of this bullshit before. I have the body builder background. I didn't fuck with none of this stuff. Here's why you did different exercises. Where you were.

Okay, so let's Instagram bullshit. Let's address this because I know this is gonna get a lot of hate right because there's gonna be all these biomechanic guys are gonna come on here and be like, oh there's targets this more. Okay these biomechanic guys are gonna come on here and be like, oh, there's targets this, okay. Nothing is going to build more muscle in a particular said muscle than stimulating that muscle novel.

And doing a leg press with 10 different foot positions and out, up, down, is nowhere near more novel than doing a Bulgarian split squat instead of that. So do your link, Presto, this other one. So, so, you know, give me the muscle that you want to build, okay, or area you want to target to build more of, and I'll give you a exercise you're probably not doing that is going to build more muscle in that area than any foot variation of the same exercise that you already do all the time.

That's the part that I think is so dumb about the people that are teaching this and getting all these kids to follow this. It's like you're doing this leg press, which is already inferior to most other great exercises like the Bulgarian split squat or front squats or back squat as squats or sumo squats or lunges or stepups or I can keep going all day long of all these exercises that are already better and you're messing around on this leg press,

moving your feet or turning your feet in and out when you're missing out on an exercise that's going to pack on way more muscle by doing that because it's novel because you don't do it. Yeah and even what I said, even with working different recruitment patterns and developing more functional strength or strength. When you're talking about movement. Yeah, you're better off doing a different movement than you are moving the foot position. This is from the bodybuilding space where this came from. And this also, I think, feeds the whole like, oh, I should what this is from, this is from the bodybuilding space where this came from. And this also, I think feeds the whole like,

oh, I should be doing different things, but I wanna keep it easy, kind of attitude. Okay, that's harder to go from leg press to a new exercise than it is to go from leg press to leg press to leg press. It's very heavy on fuel, right? And so that mind muscle connection thing and so they try to get creative with the way that, they can stimulate certain muscle groups

and feel like they're getting some bit of, I guess, contraction or pump, you know, in these types of muscle groups, but overall, like, worth. So here's the thing too, in terms of like force demand, like how much force you're actually going to produce to, you know, to do that type of an exercise versus like doing a squat, version of it or the deadlift version of it or not even close on that. So in terms of you actually building overall muscle and size and a substantial amount of muscle development there, it's like it doesn't even come close.

Yeah, I will say this though. I don't know, have you guys ever done a sissy squat leg press or a sissy leg press? It's actually a pretty, yeah. That's an exercise a lot of people don't do It's it's more bodybuilder. I mean, it's a great It's a great way to Regress somebody who can't do a traditional Sissy squat if I have a client who who can't do a traditional

Sissy squat because it can be a bit advanced to do that. It's your body weight Yeah, and it takes a lot of control It's a great way to do that. That's your body weight. Yeah, and it takes a lot of control. It's a great way to regress that movement to get the benefits that you get from that. So sure. And by the way, doesn't mean that you've never seen me do a single leg prize. It doesn't mean you've never seen me put my feet up high

or low. It's just that talking about this and getting the people that are in the gym that are doing this is like, you're focusing on the wrong things. Like I'm not picking on the body builder who's been building for 20 years. You got two and a half hours of the workout. Yeah, he's training two hours a day

and he's done every exercise that I listed a thousand times and he wants to play with his foot positioning to target it, okay, go ahead. If you're already awesome in your board. Yeah, that's where you're starting to address. The other 99.9% of you out there that are following that guy or girl that's making the case for why they elevate their heel

or kick their feet out, it's like, go do the exercise you're not doing. If that targets that area and you're gonna build those glutes more or you're gonna build that sweep on your quad more by going through exercises that are better for like you want to increase glue down the machine. That's right. I mean, I don't mean go do some bullshit hammer strength machine that you've never done before. Go do one of the big movements I'm talking about. Go do the lunge. Go do

the step up. Go do, you know, the sumo squat, the sumo deadlifts, the, I mean, there's so many great movements that people don't do enough of that you don't need to be wasting your time on, you know, externally rotated feet on a leg press. Like, come on, dude. Next question is from Katie Massingale. Is it possible to increase BMI or beyond what traditional calculators say, simply with reverse dieting and strength?

You just want to hammer this, don't. I'll pick this one on purpose. Guys like, we're going to be about this. Answer more questions about this. So BMR is basal metabolic rate. So that's how many calories your body burns. And there's calculators online. We have one. Maps macro dot com. I think is the the the URL, but it'll give you an estimate of how many calories your body burns at rest based off of your lean body mass, but it's an estimate. It is not accurate and boy can individuals vary dramatically. I mean, when I was gosh, when I was a teenager, when I was 18 years old, to gain weight on the scale.

I had to eat an excess of four to 4500 calories, period and a story. Like, it just wasn't happening. Now, based off my lean body mass and my activity, might be a mar on a calculator would have said, I should be gaining weight like crazy with that amount of calories, but it wasn't touching me.

I mean, I know this because I was putting the calories away and I did learn how to track in those days, and it just wasn't happening. Your metabolism has flexibility with your currently body mass. It can move all the way to super-efficient, or all the way to less efficient, in other words, burning and wasting calories or conserving calories, and independent of movement all this stuff just because of the things that you do and the signs and the signals that you send your body. So the best way to use these calculators is like this. If you have no idea where your BMR is and you don't want to track for two

weeks to figure it out, you could start here as your starting point and then work with it and see how your body reacts in response. And it's probably for most people who are average, not active whatever, it's going to be roughly close, but it's not going to be exact. It's going to be, it's going to be off for sure. Yeah, the short answer is yes. Yes, you can. These things are just an estimate. I've, I've, I've used a ton of these things. I've never had one of them tell me that I need to eat more than 5,000 calories in order to build in order to put weight on.

Yet, I've also eaten 5,000 calories and lost weight. So they're absolutely not 100% accurate. Yes, you can build it. This goes back to the original point that Sal made to kick this episode off, which is that we don't even, we can't even quite quantify what adding five to 10 pounds of muscle does for your metabolism. We have good estimations on what that is, but it's good at best. Next question is from Rajiv, Mattal. Is cold plunging post workout worth the trade off of blunting the muscle building signal

if it leads to better recovery and therefore more frequency and volume? Okay, so here's what's frustrating about, because we get this question a lot, and here's what's frustrating with this, right? Here's what the fitness and health space does very well, is they take a practice that has value and then they try to connect it to the things that sell, the fitness and health space does very well, is they take a practice that has value and

then they try to connect it to the things that sell, which is muscle building fat loss. So fasting, fasting is a good example. Fasting's been around for thousands of years. It's present every major world religion, every culture has practiced fasting and I guarantee you 100% nobody did it for fat loss or building muscle. Yeah, nobody, when people were fasting 2000 years ago, people weren't like, I'm obese, I need to fast the lose weight. It was not for that, it was for the detachment.

It was for spiritual practices. It brings other values. Now of course, what the health and fitness space does is they take fasting and they find a way to sell it through fat loss. But that's not the value of fasting. That's stupid. Don't fast for fat loss. Don't cold plunge for muscle building or fat loss or anything else.

You know what cold plunging is good for? It's good for mental clarity. It's good for immune system boosting. And it's good. It's really good for it's somewhat of a spiritual practice. You throw yourself in freezing cold water. You have to learn how to center yourself and calm yourself down. Okay, what are the effects on muscle building?

Uh, yeah, studies will show that it may blunt the inflammatory signal that it workouts sends. It's negligible, by the way, it's not like this is like you're gonna show pounds of difference. It's very negligible. Also, who cares? If you're fasting for fat loss and muscle gain, you're doing it for the wrong reasons.

That's not what it's valuable for. Now, what this person asks is actually Also, who cares? If you're fasting for fat loss and muscle gain, you're doing it for the wrong reasons. That's not what it's valuable for. Now, what this person asks is actually, I think somewhat of a valid question, though, can cold plunging increase the amount of volume and frequency in my training because of its anti-inflammatory effects? Yes.

This is how sports teams have used cold plunging. That's the only example. I mean, if you have double days, for instance, or you have another competition that's going to demand that much more ferocious activity, like you're going to want to make sure that you bring that inflammation down a bit more. So now we can train again.

We can train again. So I mean, in that case, if we look at it from that perspective, but yeah, to your point, it's, you know, there's so many other benefits health wise and physiology wise that we can get from cold plunging. We should just use the cold plunging for what's best at it. Yeah. And if you improve your mental state, if you improve your ability to center and calm yourself,

I mean, what are the downstream effects of that when it comes to your fitness and health, probably pretty good. So this whole, like, blending the muscle building signal, which again, it's not a huge. Because then, even then, you may be able to get better sleep

as a result of bringing up. And how much is that? And now, let's argue the nuance there. And it is my recovery better. Does that produce more muscle? Like, you can go down this kind of rabbit hole of like, uh, uh, semantics. So there's so many other positive side effects.

I do it. That's how I have to contribute. I've been raving. I've been raving about cold plunging. I wasn't saying you're consistent. What did you notice the most from doing it regularly? The, the energy right away. So like it, it's, there's no cup of coffee or energy drink I've ever had in my life

that even comes close to the feeling that I get after you get out of it. So that, and you do that with a, you know, a two to five minute plunge, I'm getting the effects of what, you know, 300, 400 milligrams of caffeine gives for me without the crash, right? So I feel better all day long. And because I don't have to take that caffeine, I also sleep better later on. Cognitively, way sharper. So like when we go into podcasts, if I would do it before this, like the mental clarity that I got from it, incredible.

I just, if I were to do it pre-workout, so like, man, right before I would go for a lift, if I plunged, I mean, that was Dr. Brink who got me doing the cryotherapy first. He's like, oh, you got to try this, forget trying to do this for recovery goes, do this pre workout and see it, but some of the best workouts I ever had was doing that first. So I mean, it's those drastic changes in temperature too and being like acclimated to be able to handle that better, right? When you step in another environment, There's something about, too, just the mental discipline it takes to do something hard

to say that this sucks, and then being able to self-regulate and calm yourself down, right? So, I also just said, right? That was a big one for you, was the stress, your ability to manage stress was better. Yeah, honestly, to not do what I normally would do,

which is tighten up and tense up and really kind of bear through it versus figuring out how to get into that autonomic sort of, like I'm relaxed, I can find my way to slow my heart rate, to breathe, and this is something that too will translate really well to an athlete, let's say, in a really high stress situation and be able to calm yourself. Like, you're gonna perform at a higher level.

So, you know, that's something that's like a cause and effect of the cold plunge. Yeah, totally. And this is also cold plunging sounds cool and hip now, but some form or another of this has been practiced for a long time and lots of different cultures. It's actually a staple in Eastern Europe. I've talked about this on the show before. Isn't there an area where they all, there's an area that's, I forget what it's called,

but where everyone swims and it's like super cold water. It's like a thing. Yeah, it's a traditional thing. Yeah, and then I brought this up on the show, maybe even a few episodes ago where like kids in certain parts of Russia at recess, these are children. They jump in the snow. They put them outside on their bathing suits and they dump water on themselves as part of recess and it's been something they've done for a long time. I mean, I think the episode that we did with Wim Hof was incredible. So if you want the breakdown of an hour and a half of all the benefits of why you should

do it, nothing to the fat loss muscle. Right, that's right. I don't think there's even a dress. I don't think we talked that much about that at all. So if you want to hear all the different benefits from it, I mean, listen to that episode. Next question is from all out shell. Did you all train while in London?

What did your nutrition look like? What new foods did you guys try? You know, there was a huge shift for me. and I think Adam, you've talked about this, how this, you did the same thing. Years ago, when I would go on vacation, I was always worried about losing my gains. I'm in a game body fat. Where's the gym? I got to keep making progress.

What am I going to do? And I actually made my vacations and my trips not nearly as enjoyable. Or would turn into this like, I'd turn off my fitness and then go so far in the other direction that it was just, it was also not enjoyable. Then I realized that later on that, you know, you're going to do this forever. I'm going to work out forever. Okay. I'm going to try and eat healthy for the rest of my life. They are multiple tools, and I can use them to maximize the quality of my life, even if the context of my life changes.

So when I go on vacation or on a trip, we went to London and we're at that arc event, and my goal is not to hit PRs, it's not to get more muscular, it's not to burn body fat, I'm not there for that. My goal is to meet people, have stimulating conversations, absorb the information, and also enjoy the culture. So my workouts really were about maximizing my mental

acuity, my mental health, make myself feel good. My diet was about enjoying the culture, but also managing the potential negatives that can come from eating things that might bother me. So I pay attention to that. But that's it. It wasn't literally, I wasn't tracking and gotta do my workout. My workout looked like 15 minutes. I would wake up in the morning for 15 minutes, I'd go in the hotel gym, and I would just do enough to feel good.

So I had the energy for the rest of the day. That was it. That's what I did. Yeah. I've thought long and hard about about how I want to communicate this message because I don't also want to encourage people not to be consistent with their training and their diet and to do those things, right? Because I think there's some importance obviously to that. I haven't worked out in three weeks. So it's been almost a month for me coming up on since I've actually trained just because I got sick right before we left and it's been crazy since we got back and so I just haven't got around to lifting.

But I've modified my eating habits and other things I'm doing physical things yesterday building with my son and stuff and so I'm still active, I'm still staying healthy. But I also think that's a testament to all the years that we have invested in building our metabolism, building our muscle, learning what our body needs, understanding that the whole health sphere encompasses more than lifting weight, building muscle and burning body fat, that there's other aspects of enjoyment of the culture into hanging out with family and friends and connecting with my son and getting better sleep on this night. All those things have mattered.

I think that because just like somebody who's invested for a very long time financially, they can get away with blowing some money on here and enjoying things like that because they've been disciplined for so many years of investing that they can get away with this. And so I think that's one of my favorite parts about being an older man now that's been lifting for over two decades is I've invested a lot in muscle on my body and training and understanding what I need to do calorie wise to stay at maintenance and what does a surplus on a deficit look like. And that man optimizing my sleep or my relationships is important to my health too.

And so when I go on a trip like that, like yeah, I really don't really think about that shit. And if it happens, it happens. Like if there wasn't really a time where it made sense that we would go to the gym and we were gonna work out and I didn't feel necessary that I needed to get up an extra hour, especially since I wasn't sleeping that well. There are anyways gym and we were gonna work out and I didn't feel necessary that I needed to get up an extra hour especially since I wasn't sleeping that well. There are anyways to go and try and work out like, I didn't care about that.

In fact, I would have taken away probably. Yeah, in fact, I was someone thought I was competing. You might need two times. So, yes, I was approached by a couple ofitutes that were that walked up to me and said Are you hey, can you for five bucks? I really I was just I was buying a Reese's peanut butter cup in a Diet Coke and she was right behind me And she goes how did you do and I said what do you mean she goes you competed? I thought oh my god. You think I compete right?

Where you were beaming you could not wait to tell us about this I do two two people forget that they were trying to solicit me probably and I'm like wait wait the matter the fact that she may that maybe maybe you missed the second part of the Closed I just want to make a point to I said it to the guys when they believe me or not and then we were in the the lounge at the Airport and the the lady asked me the same question so I'm making this is by the way That's this is three times now something weird like that's happened you had the the prostitus said that the lady asked me the same question. So I'm okay. This is by the way, this is three times now, something weird like that's happened. You had the prostitutes said that,

the lady at the lounge, do you remember when we were at the airport that other time? I believe it's called Lady of the Night. Yeah. That's right. I didn't get it. That's a politically correct answer. You mean the young kid and that was all hit?

No, no, no. Okay, this was my favorite one. We're sitting around and we're waiting for a luggage. Everybody's tired of whatever. And you get these ego boosts all the time. I think God knows like you need it. And this kid goes up to Adam and he goes, what sport do you play?

And I'm like, what do you mean? He's like, you professional athlete and Adam's face like lights up. I'm like, I'm like, I don't need your treatment. Here we go, do you take another week off? Yeah. That was a good time. Yeah, so I did the one day, I think I did it

because I heard Justin say, oh man, I've been doing, I've been doing some body weight stuff inside my room. I'm like, oh, you know what, I could do some pushups. I did some pushups, that was my last for sort of a day. I was like, damn, you know I'm the condition right now. I'm the shit, I'm the shit. I'm gonna give my last get some pushups. Well, you know, for me, I know you guys,

you guys don't deal with the same, I don't know, how would I label it? Mental. Well, you know, for me, I know you guys, you guys don't deal with the same, I don't know, how would I label it? Mental health issues, I mean, I have identified it as very necessary. It quills the beast. Well, here's a deal. I drive you guys crazy anyway. Could you imagine if I didn't use that?

How much I drive you guys crazy? You need it, dude. Yeah, for sure. I mean, for me, it's a constant kind of like a feel thing. And I just, I don't like sitting for too long. That's a huge thing for me. Like I have to have movement. And thankfully we were walking a lot, you know, and that's the great part about going

to Europe. It's like everything is in walking distance and we were out and active. And so it didn't feel too, I guess, I didn't feel too much of this crazy edge that I had to get this crazy workout in. I got one good one in, but the rest of them were like these stupid bodyweight things. And really, it's just, for me, it's like expressing my muscles.

And if I ever feel like I'm weak, or I'm like tight and stiff, and really for me, it's like a signal of like pain stiffness, you know, whatever it is, like that kind of stuff, like I'm like really adamant about getting my workout. And I own that, I'm chill. I get so scattered, I have so much challenge, paying attention, if I'm sitting for longer than five minutes,

and if I don't exercise, then I know I would have drove everybody crazy and I would have felt like I wasted my time there. So I'm like, if I don't do this, then I'm gonna sit down at arc and I'm gonna listen to two minutes and then there. So I'm like, if I don't do this, then I'm gonna sit down at ARC and I'm gonna listen to two minutes and then I'm gonna zone out and, you know, it's gonna be a lot of sitting in the store for us. Yeah, so I had to, you know.

I just hope that we, I mean, I hope that we're a part of changing the narrative around what health looks like for our space. It's for the longest time, it's been this obsessive, I wanna be jacked and I've already proven that self. I've already proven that. I know how jacked I can get. And I got nothing to prove to anybody else.

I wanna be healthy. I wanna be a good father, I wanna be a good husband, I wanna be a good brother, I wanna be a good business partner. Nobody highlights the maturity factor. Right, and it's just, I know that it doesn't do well on Instagram, that's not a cool thing to post or to show off, but like that's where I'm at in my life. And like the last thing I would want, I'm in London, like trying to see all these amazing things and enjoying incredible, what an honor it was to be invited to that place.

Yeah. Uh, by Jordan Peterson and to be a part of that and to be thinking about what my biceps looked like or my abs or if my protein, if I hit my macros for the day, like, just listen to yourself saying that loud, I'm stupid. Yeah, right? It's like, you know, and I know that in our space, like, that's what people want to hear is like, you know, how did you do this and how did you fit your macros and did you get you work out in like, and have this like plan?

It's like, no, you know, I've done my investing. I invested for a very long time in my life to be a healthy and fit person. And now I'm in a beautiful place where I can go blow some money a little bit and not go broke. And like, that's exactly how I look at it is. I had two weeks of splurging and joying myself moderately,

not being irresponsible. I go blow all my wealth and what you know I'm And, and one week you're beginning in your journey, right? Like, it's one of our clients that's out there. It's like it's a different, it's right. They're asking us. And we're at like, you know, decades of experience with this stuff. And we know our bodies very well. I tell people like that, uh, just be consistent. But the work out itself should be there. That's the biggest factor. Enhanced your vacation. So that might mean something small, it might mean,

but if it's gonna improve the quality of your life in that period of time, then that's what you should do. You also might be at a different place in your journey right now. If you're that client that we're talking about right now, and you've never proven to yourself, you can put two months straight together. And then you wanna show that. And a vacation hits it one week,

get your ass in there and work out. Because there's something bigger than just that moment that you're trying to accomplish. And the mental fortitude it will take to overcome that, the sacrifice will come out. It trumps the best thing you should do for building muscle. Like at that point, it's really proven to yourself. Can I discipline myself for a period of time,

even with these circumstances where I got to travel? You're gonna prove that. That's just like an investing thing. If you are just already investing, you finally made your first few hundred dollars, you don't get to go blow it right away and then just go the other direction. It's like, no, you're, you gotta still stay disciplined.

Just because you're on vacation, doesn't mean you've earned that right to do that yet. And so, when you ask me a question like that or us, where we've been doing this for a long time, you just, well, you get a very dancer because you can obviously see what we all do is based off of how we see it. Value, I know Doug, you probably,

did you, do you work out? Yeah, I did body weight stuff, some push ups, some wall push ups, handstands, some bands. That's it. But you've seen me do, because I know you do because you make you feel... Yeah, so when I went to Japan this summer,

I was gone for two weeks and I didn't do anything. And I definitely lost the muscle. And so what I did really when I was in London was just try to preserve what I had. I had no, I mean, it was like 10 minutes. You lost muscle for two weeks? I did, you really did. I did, I noticed. Yeah, I felt like it. You gained back so fast. I gained it back was like 10 minutes. You lost muscle for two weeks? I did, you really did. I did, I noticed. Yeah, I felt like it.

You gained back so fast. I gained a back and I did too. I definitely lost for sure. I mean, under eating protein for, I can't really imagine what they would have said if you were working. I know, right? Yeah.

Might have got on stage. You know, no one can give you free services. Where's your crew? I mean, that's just it, too. Like, you know, I know that I lost. Like, I knew I lost muscle. I know I've lost some strength. It's like, I've got sore from doing push lost. Like I knew I lost muscle, I know I've lost some strength. I thought I got sore from doing pushups.

You kidding me? For sure, I took a, we went backwards, but it's like, I can afford to do that a little bit. And there's other, but I went forward in other aspects. You know, I got better. Like, you know what I'm terrible when I travel? That was really important to me. Like, I'm so bad about calling my wife and making time

carving that off to make her feel special. Like, that's a big deal. Like, I'd hit that, dude. I hit that every single time. That's a big deal for I'd hit that, dude. I'd hit that every single time. That's a big deal for me, right? That's more important in my life right now that I get better at that thing than I proved to myself and get in the gym.

I already proved that shit. So you have to think about all those things. That's the stuff where my mind was at. 100%. Look, if you like Mind Pump, head over to MindPumpFree.com and check out all of our free fitness guides. They cost nothing and they can help you with most of your health and fitness goals. You can also find all of our free fitness guides. They cost nothing and they can help you

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