Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2216: The Real Value of Training to Failure, Strategies to Get Shredded Before an Event, Workout Tips for Those With Thyroid Issues & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: November 29, 2023

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Email [e-mail] if you want to be considered to ask your question on the show. Mind Pump Fit Tip: Here’s a protein hack. Drink a small protein shake with every meal. (2:35) Will A.I. be able to assess and figure out someone’s gut microbiome? (10:40) How is it possible to make something so small? (16:25) Is AI evolving as fast as we think? (19:07) 100% human made. (21:53) Things aren’t always what they seem. (30:25) Dennis Rodman is the ultimate trendsetter. (35:25) The story behind beta and why it failed. (41:23) Chimps are killing gorillas unprovoked for the first time. (46:58) Daycare fights? (51:30) Shout out to Kendrick BBQ and Traeger Grills. (55:51) #ListenerLive question #1 - What is the difference between training to failure and progressive overload? (1:00:28) #ListenerLive question #2 - Do you have any advice for someone who wants to get as jacked as possible in a year? (1:14:54) #ListenerLive question #3 - Are there imbalances when it comes to push versus pull? (1:26:45) #ListenerLive question #4 – Any advice that you guys can give to a young female with hormone issues who wants to be healthy and strong and live a long healthy life with my kids? (1:36:18) Related Links/Products Mentioned CYBER MONDAY SPECIAL: ALL MAPS Fitness Products & Bundles 60% off!  **Promo code CYBERMONDAY at checkout** (Code expires Sunday Dec. 3rd) Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Visit Legion Athletics for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code MINDPUMP at checkout for 20% off** Visit Seed for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout for 30% off your first month’s supply of Seed’s DS-01® Daily Synbiotic** Researchers shrink camera to the size of a salt grain Which face is real? 'Streaming farms' are Spotify's newest credibility problem Bad as I Wanna Be – Book by Dennis Rodman The Real Reason Betamax Failed Spectacularly Chimpanzees have been spotted attacking and killing gorillas in the wild for the first time Video shows "fight club" at St. Louis daycare Mind Pump #2047: How To Become One Of The Highest Paid Trainers In The Fitness Industry With Don Saladino Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer! Mind Pump #1282: The #1 Key To Consistently Building Muscle & Strength (Avoid Plateaus!) Mind Pump #2210: Best Workouts For Bulking & Cutting Mind Pump #1522: How To Stay Consistent With Your Diet & Workout MP Holistic Health Mind Pump #2040: Balancing Female Hormones With Dr. Becky Campbell And Dr. Krystal Hohn Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Dr. Stephen Cabral (@stephencabral) Instagram Jordan Peterson (@jordan.b.peterson) Instagram DENNIS RODMAN (@dennisrodman) Instagram Benjamin Kendrick (@kendrick_bbq) Instagram Traeger Grills (@traegergrills) Instagram DON SALADINO (@donsaladino) Instagram Dr. Becky Campbell (@drbeckycampbell) Instagram  

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Here's a protein hack, take a protein shake. All right, look everybody's told you that before, but there's more. Don't just take a protein shake after your workout or when you wake up. Those are good times as well, but try this. I've had this work with some clients. Make a small protein shake, 10 to 15 grams, and just wash down your meals with it. In other words, with breakfast, lunch, and dinner, have a small 10 to 15 gram protein shake,

and it's a lot easier for some people to be consistent with protein when they do it that way. Give a shot. That's an interesting tip. I don't think you guys ever had anybody know. No, I actually have never... Nobody did the milk thing that I mentioned before if people can handle that. But yes, it's pretty much the same thing. You know where I got this? You know what? Why I got this? Where I got it from? I had a client who we were trying to hit protein targets and also simultaneously they were one of those weird clients, I know you guys have had this, where you tell them to drink water,

and they're like, I don't like to taste the water. Water is boring. So she was used to always drinking something with flavor. And so anyway, through the process of getting her to eat more protein, she started using shakes, because it was so hard for her to get through food. It was just a pain in the butt. So I had introduced her to a shake.

She's like, oh my God, it tastes so good. I look forward to it. And I'm like, hmm, because she would always have some kind of calorie containing or sugar-free garbage drink with her meals. So I said, what if instead of making your 40 gram shake, you make like a 10 or 15 gram shake. So it's a little thinner.

You use it to wash down your meals. So yeah, let me try that. And she loved it. And she was super consistent. I'll always remember to take a protein, So it's a little thinner and you use it to wash down your meals. Let me try that. And she loved it and she was super consistent. I always remember to take a protein, ended up hitting a protein targets and it worked out really well. I don't know why I missed for some people. Yeah, I don't know why I never thought to do that.

I could totally see you taking like, especially like a good way, shake like legions and cutting the serving in half. You're still getting what an extra close to 20 grams of protein, right? By 18 to 18, so we have that range. And thinner, it's gonna be super, it's already kind of a thin, it's not a super thick shake as it is, that's really gonna thin it out. So it almost is water, flavored water going down, adding it to a meal where you have maybe 30 grams of protein, you've boosted to a 45, 50 gram meal.

And you do that once in the early in the day, once in the evening. That's, I've never thought to be that. That's interesting. Yeah, that would definitely taste better. Remember when Gatorade would try to make it with like protein and they added it to the, yeah, and there was another like soda brand

that tried to add pro, and it would just end up being chalky. Gross. Nastyness. Yeah, gross. No, no, if you do like some proteins taste better than others. Way is always It's always gonna be one of the best best tasting proteins the bone broth one that we that was a good one

So collagen does well, but way if you can if you can you know intake dairy and be okay with it Way is such a high quality protein now one of the here's another side to this that even think about one of the You know criticisms of side to this that I don't even think about. One of the, you know, criticisms of way is that it's so fast digesting. Well, now when you have 15 grams of it with a solid protein meal, you've slowed down the absorption of it, and it's going to add to the satiety of your meal as well. But really, the benefit isn't, I mean, because you can theoretically obviously take, like most people do, just take a full shake post workout or whatever in addition to the meals. And a lot of people do it that way.

But I found this valuable because some people still forget to take their damn shake. That's it. And it's like, oh, well, you're gonna eat breakfast, lunch, and you're anyway. Protein is always the one. Put it in your water. And now you have your meal with it. And like I said, after I did it with that one client, I had other clients who were always like, oh, I forgot to take my shake, I always forget to take it.

I always, whatever. And I did this with them and they were consistent. At least two out of three meals they would have protein, which worked out pretty well. Well, I could see it too, helping with somebody who just has a hard time consuming that many whole food calories, right? So they're just, oh, yeah.

Like a female client who's small or stature and eating eight ounces of steak or meat is, is tough, you know, like her whole life, she's eight four ounces or less. Now I said, I'm doubling that. And it's like, oh my God, Adam, it's like stuffing that down. So letting her have a smaller amount of meat and then having that, ideally, we're always going to be whole foods, right? So I'm always going to tell a client, I'm being whole food, ideally,

to go this route with, with your meat and food, but if there's always going to be that client who struggles with eating that mini calories or hitting that protein and take, and so this is where that stuff always makes sense. The funny part about the narrative though around protein shakes is that they did such a good job of marketing that people think of it as like a health supplement

or a supplement you need to take if you're working out. Like it has some sort of like, yeah, they don't have a really good job. Like yeah, when I would get, you know what's part of the uniform? To the defense of that, most people probably would though, right, because they undery protein. Well, hence why it's lasted, right?

I mean, just like you talk about things that have been around forever and there's something to investigate there, like why did be get passed down for generations? Well, part of the reason why it gets passed down for generations because it's like, good advice. Who was just telling us we're laughing off air? We're somebody who had some like gimmicky 30 minute 30 protein 30. Oh, who was that? Andrew, you said that yesterday. Who was that? Oh, yeah, we were talking about that guy, right? And he, this was off air, right? It was off air when we were all talking about it. I think it was all you brought. Oh, you said it on there. I mean, that's exactly an example that's like we're laughing about it. Yeah, but it's I guarantee that if people took that advice like, of course, it's like all I'm doing is I'm taking the same advice, which is, okay, get it from Whole Foods first, if you can't, for whatever reason, then a protein shake is valuable because, and the data is extremely clear on this, okay?

Hitting proper protein targets. And I want to say proper protein targets. I mean, those that are related to muscle building, satiety, and fat loss, not the minimum or whatever the RDA gives. And that number is roughly probably a little less, but roughly a pound of, excuse me, a gram of protein per pound of body weight and normal weight individuals. So a shake can be very valuable because if you're missing that constantly, once you add that, well, you build muscle faster.

That in turn leads to a faster or more healthy metabolism, which then in turn leads to better fat loss. Well, you know, you could take the shake anytime you want. Really, doesn't make a difference. All I'm doing is I'm packaging it in a way to where for some people, it makes a lot of sense. Some people are gonna hear this and go, oh my God, why don't I just do that?

That's so easy. And I'll end up doing it and it'll work great for them. And that's just it. Speaking of Legion's way up doing it, and it'll work great for them. And that's just it. Speaking of legions, what was, they have a crazy amount of flavors. They don't just have chocolate. They have like, pretty pebbles.

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but I gotta work my way back there. I mean, I think they have over 10 flavors. Maybe Doug can pull up and look like they have like, on flavors. Yeah. Dutch chocolate, apple pie, banana bread, birthday cake, chocolate peanut butter, cocoa cereal, cookies and cream,

Dutch, I already said that one. French vanilla, fruity cereal, honey cereal, mint chocolate, mocha cappuccino, pumpkin pie, salted caramel. Oh my God. Strawberry banana, unflavored and cinnamon cereal. That's how, bro, they have a ton. Unflavored? Yeah.

I'm only trying, I guess a quarter of that. No. That's a lot of them. Wow. No, he's got a bunch. I'm always been like, I mean, I'm, I actually haven't had a way shake since I was off dairy, but I'm back to allowing myself to have Daria back.

So I absolutely will have. Has ever remember even when Cabral was talking to me, he says that he said that. Yeah, way wasn't the big one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. His was never a real issue for me either. The engine version, yeah. Like I don't know if it's the digestive enzymes

or anything that's in there, but that helps. Yeah, it could be. The other thing too that you guys might want to pay attention to is so artificial sweeteners, it can sometimes affect people's gut. Okay. And there may be effect on the microbiome. Okay. So if you're dealing with like SIBO, so I don't, so in a healthy gut, I don't know if it necessarily is an issue. Now, some people would say yes, and there's some studies that suggest it might be there's other studies that say no, it's not an issue. But we've never studied what artificial sweeteners do in a SIBO gun.

Okay. I know for me, when I have, when my SIBO is bad, right, when I got the symptoms of SIBO, especially back before I really figured it out, I couldn't have any artificial sweeteners at all. Sucarose, aspartane, didn't matter. I would instantly mess up my gut. Once my gut is healthy, now it doesn't seem to have an effect. So if you're dealing with that, then you're gonna have a lot of that.

I'm gonna think of it. What's the percentage of people that have CBO? I don't know. There's not numbers, there's not data out on that to support like most of them, don't even know they have it. Well, I feel like that we continue to see that, right? Like you'll have clients will be troubleshooting stuff and then it'll that we continue to see that right like you'll have will have clients We'll be troubleshooting stuff and then it'll be a man. It seems like you might have see both

Also see folks so there's small intestinal bacterial overgrowth small intestinal fungal overgrowth right There could just be good inflammation too. That's not you know related that way But I don't know that's a good question. You know gut issues are so they seem common, right? They seem super common Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. It seems a good question. You know, gut issues are so, they seem common, right? They seem super common. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. It seems like over the years, it's just like based off of environment or food changing, you know, whatever it is, like it's all coming to fruition.

I think these last few years is like, it's accelerating. Well, you know, it's interesting. So, you know, the appendix, right? We used to think that the appendix was like this useless leftover, you know, appendage from evolution. you know, evolution and we don't need it. Just take it out. Yeah, just take it out and it'll be good. Now we know that the appendix acts like a reservoir for a microbiome, okay. Which means that it probably, we probably have it because humans probably went through events in most of human history where they ate something and it washed them the fuck out because they got sick or whatever because stuff wasn't very clean.

And so I'm wondering if an occasional like pruning of the microbiome with herbal antimicrobials might be what everybody needs. You know what I mean? I think it's comical that we ever went through a period of time whether we thought that something inside of us like didn't Need it Yeah, you're taught your wins the thief bro. They still the tassels Like dude, there's oh yeah, I just get rid of it. Yeah, they're not necessary Science is shown that we don't need it

Yeah, okay All black eyes a good good idea. All right, whatever dude is so much more than the vision I know you know the whole wisdom teeth thing is because and they've shown this as you go Yeah, okay, yeah. All black eyes are good, good, good, good, good. All right, whatever dude, there's so much more to the innovation. I know, you know, the whole wisdom teeth thing is because, and they've shown this, as you go to a more grain heavy diet, your jaw shrinks, and your teeth get crowded. Yeah.

And so that's why your wisdom teeth don't fit. Yeah, it's because we're, we eat like easily chewable food. And it's like, yeah, or, we just don't have that expansion. We're supposed to have out of our way. This makes sense. It makes sense that your teeth and your jaw would adapt to your diet as you're growing as a child. You have sets of teeth that fall out, come back in. So, you know, that's what I say now, like it's important to have little babies, you know, before they can, like, give them a piece of meat on the bone, that they can't really rip off, but have them work it and chew on it, and don't always mash up their food

and all that stuff. Do you think with AI technologies and companies like C that are on the front end of things like probiotics and so on that, do you think we're going to get to a place where a company like that can use AI technology to go in and figure out and assess somebody's gut and then figure out what's not populated and what would be precisely going and be here. Because of your diet and the way we've all, the way you're missing, boom, boom, boom, these things like that, based off of the AI feedback.

I do. And then then then customally make a probiotic or something. I do. So right now, what we have is to be created. Right now, the best times we have is we know that there are certain strains that seem to be generally beneficial. The lactobacillus strains, the bifidol strains and some others. So like seed for example you mentioned seed. So they have the strains in there that we know that they're generally beneficial.

But it's not individualized right everybody gets the same capsule and that's as good as it gets like seed is well, they're head and shoulder delivery system. Yeah,, they're heading shoulders above every other company. Okay. But there's so much that we don't know. And it's going to take AI to figure that out. Think of the billions of, you know, bacteria in your gut, the interplay between them, the interplay between them and your body, the changing environment that your body goes through, when you in particular as an individual are stressed or feel a particular way or eat a particular food, there's so many variables,

it's gonna take AI to figure that out, but I think they will. I think they'll be on a figured out. I mean, it's been on my mind quite a bit. I've told you guys, we're resigning all of our partners for next year, right? So Katrina and I have an opportunity to talk to a lot of the founders and what's going on, and it's always a great time to catch up and the future of next year. right? So, Katrina and I have an opportunity to talk to a lot of the founders and what's going

on. And it's always a great time to catch up. And oh, the future of next year, they were one of the companies I actually requested if we could get them back on the show because it's been a few years since we've talked to them. And I really want to hear like where? What's new? Yeah, what's new? Because they're on the front end of all that. Frontier, new future.

Yeah. And they are heading shoulders above everybody else with the science. They're like, I really am curious of like like we haven't really talked to them since the explosion of AI in the last couple of years. Oh yeah, they upgraded that right like yeah and I bet they have and I can't wait to like talk to them and hear what they see coming down the pipe and what I bet they're going to be able to make something probably that you swallow that'll go through the gut and pick things up.

By the way, they can make things so small. Did you know, I think I put this in the notes. Yes, I did. They made a camera. This is the, I cannot believe that this actually exists, but of course it does. They made a camera that's so small, it's literally the size I think of a grain,

oh, no, sorry, it's the size of a grain of salt. What? It's the size of a grain of salt. Oh, no, sorry. It's the size of a grain of salt. What? It's the size of a grain of salt. How's it going to be possible to make it? And it takes images that look like a full-size camera. How little do the people have to be that make that? So little. I don't believe it.

Yeah, look, Keeler elves is making these things. It doesn't even make sense. Yeah, but like how do you capture those images? That's the part that trips me out. Like, how does it store the information, those, like, how do you like take that data, and it's got to be some sort of a, no, no, no, receiver or satellite that sends it, right?

I mean, it's like, no, it can't, it can't, it can't, it can't, taking the picture itself. What? Listen. Okay, I don't know where it's at. Where's my picture go? I can't wrap my brain around this., I don't know where it's at. Where's my picture go? I can't wrap my brain around it.

I still don't understand how regular cameras work. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, much less a rice. How the hell was it? I didn't just steal my soul and put it in that box. No, listen, this is what it says here. The secret lies in over a million eyes. So on this grain of salt size camera

are a million eyes roughly the size of an HIV virus covering the camera known as its meta surface. I like how they matched it to an HIV virus. Why HIV? They're just to show you how big it is of the virus. I don't know why they use that one. Why the whole virus is, why would you use that one until you sample? We're going to put this inside you.

Yeah, right. It looks a lot like. Wow. Yes. You trust us to use that. Here's the applicator. But a little nervous about it. No, so, so yeah, that's it. And I mean, I mean, I'm, I'm,

I'll obviously share the link. This is it right here. Bro, look at that. Wow. That's a camera. So you need, first off, I think, cool. Second thought, fuck. Yeah.

Like seriously, you're gonna get spied on. Oh, yeah. You'll never know. It'll be inside you. Youied on oh yeah you'll never know who be inside you you'll bro you'll never know yeah that's gonna take like I could put that camera all over yeah that's wild like what do we do I don't know I mean honestly they probably have been insects yeah yeah birds aren't real looking Bro think about that like a little modified mosquitoes. Yeah, dude. That's crazy So you know how like China has that uh that surveillance system or whatever yeah, and Americans are like never not here Well, I think I just put a bunch of shit like that everywhere. You ain't see it. No. We don't have privacy anymore. That's like a thing of the past. I know.

You know, speaking of AI, I'm like so disappointed in you. Me? To not admit you being wrong on the podcast. Why, what did I say? Well, what do you mean? We just talked to Jordan Peterson. No, he hasn't happened yet. He hasn't.

Oh, yes it has. This episode is going after that, isn't it? No, no, no, no. What it does, he hasn't happened yet. That hasn't happened yet. It hasn't happened yet. You have two smart people in your camps. Yes. This episode's going after that, isn't it? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, like. Jordan Pearson's probably right. There is no limit to the confidence in my arrogance. No, you know, okay, so here's, here's the thing. What he said is true.

I understand that problem. I get it. I just don't think, I think that would be if we created a robot that was multi-purpose, but we said a dishwasher robot. Just washing dishes. That's it's the same problem though. It's the same and that's the exact.

So if you just wash dishes, you can fix my TV and plumbing and all that I just that doesn't matter like I think I think the Washington dishes actually gonna be more difficult because it has The what that kid that would you might be right that kid that was in taking AI right you when you have to give me a car anymore Oh That's what I was really I was only sorry for. No you are, you're not getting nothing. You'd be on the card debt. I was only giving five years of the deal. Oh, I want to see that, dude. I don't know where she's taking that on.

Well, you know, it's funny, and I'm sure people are so tired of hearing that this argument that we keep going back and forth. But there's a, it's like tongue and cheek, right? It's playful, it's fun. I think it's interesting. And there's a lot of things to think about with AI. Like, it, yeah.

There's certain things that we're watching evolve really fast. And then there's other things that like, we don't realize like, that's way more difficult. That's way more difficult than we like it. And there's certain things that we're watching evolve really fast. And then there's other things that we don't realize, that's way more difficult. That's way more difficult than we imagine. Like as simple as being able to, we can have these robots that do flips now and do cool stuff and spray down a bathroom. Like everyone's like, oh my god, so lit.

But to teach it to know the difference doing a clean dish and a dirty dish, we're light years away from us. Yeah, robotics is gonna be the last thing to really progress. I feel, but I mean, in terms of like everything AI, like dude, everything, software base, everything that functions AI's taking over.

It's like, I mean, it might as well be the self-park. It's the art. Yeah, it takes every job that doesn't require arms. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the stuff that's, but here's the other part, the other half is a commercially affordable trip to the moon, right? Yeah, first of all, you have to prove that we don't live in the firmament. Yeah.

Or that we've ever even been to the moon out of the moon. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I know. I know. I know it's too cocky. Or that the government will allow us to go on the moon. You know, there's an Nazi base on there. Yeah. They're probably stopps and distracts. Crazy regulations will make it impossible.

No, but we'll see. We'll see what happens. We'll see. Speaking of AI, here's this, when here's some more scaringness. Oh, please. Okay, they did a huge test with a bunch of people, and they showed them AI faces and real faces.

Oh boy. Okay. And you're supposed to determine which one was real. Okay. What do you guys think happened? Do you think they can determine which one's real, which one was real? No, it was all cloudy. I bet. It's actually worse than that. The opposite. They 80% of the time more thought the AI faces were real. Oh my God. What? How is that possible? They don't, they can possible? They don't understand. They think that the AI makes the faces more proportional, therefore, tricking our brain to thinking it's more real

or something like that, but it doesn't matter. The point is, the computer generated face, more often than not, appeared more real than a real face. Fuck. That's not it. Like, okay, so obviously like the lighting and the contrast and like all that stuff. The match.

Everything was controlled. So you know what, I think about right away that's kind of scary about that. There's many things that are scary about that. But one of the things that I don't think we're probably even thinking about that's gonna be interesting and that we'll see this unfold like really quick.

We've already talked about how we've seen there's already Instagram pages of self-generated like, or AI. You've been getting DMs, I'm sure by these AI like, okay, so think of that for a second. Now think of what we've talked about, the toxicity of social media and how bad it is for men and women and comparison and stuff like that.

And we know that the algorithm, people like beauty and cars and asses and all these things like that. And so what happens? What's the asses of that? Yeah. People do though, right? It's in the middle. It's obviously.

He said all the other words loud. Beauty cars and his cars and his houses. So okay. So think about, if all of a sudden somebody just starts flooding Instagram with as many of those or more of those than there are humans, and then like, talk about how, it's already distorted, right?

So a kid's image of, so, or even a person, or did you do that? Who wants to get in shape? It's already distorted by the percentage of people that are really that fit It's like you think there's tons of them, but they're not there's like just go to a gym. You won't see anybody rip no go to Instagram You'll see 10 people in five seconds through your feet The user base would go up yes, the yeah the numbers for their stock would go up like everything would be a positive for them It'd be a total negative. Hold on. Doug, are those the pictures? Yeah. So I'm playing this little game right

now where I'm supposed to guess between the A.I. She's fake on the right. I bet you she's not. No, no, I just did it. Yeah. So I was right. So I'm looking at these two now. He's fake on the right. You think he's fake. No. Yeah. I do. I do. I'm gonna click it, Adam. Yeah. Wrong. Told ya. He's fake. I know you're right, actually. By the way, I'm not guessing right.

I'm just going to the opposite, but I think, because I know what the study said now. So I'm gonna say, really, really fake. I'm supposed to click on the real one here. So, yeah, you're right, Adam. Oh, he was, okay. Okay, the real person, which person is real? I would say the one on the left. No, again, I think the one on the right is real. Really? Okay, here. Okay, the real person which person is real? I would say the one on the left. I would again

I think the one on the right is real really okay here. Here goes Adam Well, it's not working. Oh, look see the one Yeah, I heard it's talking about it. Yeah, the one on the left is the real one. Okay So anyway, so this study used the latest AI technology and This is a new Development essentially so all right. Here's my question So here's a speculation right the speculation is gonna get is this that media is gonna become so

Cloudy social media real media whatever right Big for this this online valid ID. We're gonna to, which is, that's what people say. Yeah, push for that. That we're going to, we're going to like beg the government to be the arbitrator of what's real. We're going to want a government controlled and run like, you know, you tell us, you, you put the seal of real. And by the way, it, that is going to get pushed so fast because what's going to happen when you start seeing this, there's going to see people getting. And by the way, it's gonna get pushed so fast because what's gonna happen when you start seeing this

is there's gonna see people getting scammed by the inspecting. Correct. And so people listening right now are like, oh no, we're not gonna wall sets it up. Yeah. So you're gonna say that until I said you get burned by $10,000.

So here's the counter. So it's a fake AI thing. Yes, and here's the counter argument. The counter argument is, well, yes, people may beg for that, but what might happen is all these private companies because there may be a market demand for real people are going to put in their own ways of confirming if something's real. So Instagram is going to be like, look, we're going to tell you and we're going to require that we show when something's fake and something's real. Now there's problems with both of them. The government one is, yeah, okay, you know, government,

you're gonna tell us what's real and what's fake. That gives you a lot of power. The criticism of the market doing it is, is Instagram's best interest in showing us what we want to see or showing us what we think we want to see. Right. Because everybody says, I want to know what's real. I want to see what's real.

We like perfect. Money, engagement, and keeping you on the platform as long as possible. There's no reason why they would need to really be super honest and transparent about that. Same reason why they haven't cleaned out the thing. Initially, yes. But if you have faith in free in, in free markets, like

I think we do, eventually, even that would get well. So let's say like your point, like the obvious is not the government. I think that's, I think everyone's ego. But let's say like, uh, Instagram, so they keep all the fake AI out, but then they're still feeding the algorithm to, to, to give you not necessarily what's completely authentic and real to the reality, right, for you. And so then that still opens the opportunity for somebody else to compete that because they've been found out. And that's their pitch. We're not going to feed you what's best for our album. We're going to feed you what truly you're like, you know what I'm saying, whatever that spiel is to counter that. And when enough people become aware, that opens the door for a competitor to do it more in a more authentic,

and an example of this, okay, is in what we do, authentic content, okay, is that it would be in our best interest to do before and after. It would be in our best interest to do challenges. It would be in our best interest to lie to people about how faster you're gonna see results, right? It would be in our best interest, but why we have survived

and why we continue to grow and have success in this company as we've stayed true to that, and over time, even though we're not bigger than Beachbody, we're not bigger than some of these famous names and brands, slowly but surely, that's right. Someone comes through the experience and goes, you know what, they're not this, they're not that, but I trust them, I believe them.

I would love to, you know, my hopeful side would like says that, but the problem with that is that, like, I'll give you the example of like fake follower counts, okay? If you ask people, do you wish Instagram crack down on fake followers and accounts with fake followers and whatever, and everybody would say yes, I don't want that shit, But the reality is everybody likes their full of influences, that's right.

And so Instagram doesn't really check. They don't really do it because you like the fact that you know that. Is this why, well, okay, you know the NFT, we all it's scoffed at that initially, but like what if that becomes something where they can trace like sort of whatever image it is, it's authenticated, it follows the answer.

All the way, so you can actually cross check it to know if it's a real amount. That would be good, like if through blockchain. Blockchain, might be the answer, actually. That's pretty good, and that'd be more of a decentralized approach. My fear is that we're gonna give all the power to one person, and that person's got a lot of power. They will manipulate the media to whatever they want. And that's a lot of scary

for sure. It's setting up in that direction. Because anytime it's in that, like you always got to look at like who's going to benefit the end, like who's is a power grab and where's it coming from? Not enough to me that the less intervention, the better, the more people that we allow to try and answer it for us versus allowing it to unfold the way it's opposed to fold and us to figure it versus allowing it to unfold the way it's supposed to fold and us to figure it out. Unfortunately, there tends to be growing pains with that where we got to learn the hard way and go like, oh, but at the end of the day innovating at the end of the day collectively, I have faith in humanity that as a whole were smart, maybe not as some

Individual smart, but as a whole, we're pretty smart and we'll eventually figure that stuff out. You see what's happening with speaking to this stuff of AI, is the Spotify, I think, is cracking down big time on it. I forget what other streaming platforms, because there's been a massive disruption in that space for streaming farms and stuff. And so I explained that. And they couldn't figure out how to get past it because the people that were creating these streaming farms found a way to also hack it to where it looks like it's coming from a million different IPs. So, it's going to the streaming farms. So, streaming farms are these places

in like random places in the world, where they set up all these iPhones, where there's like tens of thousands of them. I don't know if there's a Philippines or like, there's places like that. And then it runs through like this server that they then can make that server look like it has all these different IP addresses

all over the world so that they can't reverse it because the original like you can see an IP address so they would go like, oh, if there's all these coming from one, we know there's a problem there. But these streaming farms have learned ways around that to make it look like all 10,000 streams are unique all over the world. And so these companies are having a hard time, you know, to prove whether it's fake or not.

Now who are the people that are they're using the streaming farms? I'm a sue artist. Hardest. Content creators. Yeah, are they get paid based off of how many? Yeah. Wow. Yeah, yeah.

And there's lots of rumors that it's some of the biggest name ones that did it because they had all the connections and pool and the money to start with. You know, and it's keeping down the ones that ones that did it because they had all the connections and pool and the money to start with it. And it's keeping down the ones that have been trying to organically do it. Yeah, my brain always goes there with like how these people get so insanely popular, so like the immediate start, you know,

like there's like engineered factors like all over the place to help elevate people and they want to. Well, so this might be a little too personal business, but I wonder if, because we convert, for people don't know, obviously we're a sponsored podcast, and for our sponsors, typically when the highest converting, if not the highest converting in proportion to our size, in fact we convert better than some of the most popular podcasts in the world.

And I wonder if part of that is because every listener we have is like, we don't do, yeah, because even our Instagram follower, you look at our engagement, like, and I look at other pages and you can tell, they don't have real followers half the time. Actually, more than half the time. I wonder if that's one of the reasons why. I have 100%.

And I think that there's two things that are happening there too. One, the ones that are there are real. And then because you have such an authentic message and trust and loyalty to that, then you have an even higher percentage of people that are going to take your advice, trust you can go do those things. So if you have somebody who's, let's say, 10 times bigger than us and 20% of their,

you know, following is fake. They're still significantly, organically bigger than us, but they also maybe they don't have as much of trust as somebody who has built it organically, the slower way or what are that. But that exists a lot in the space. There's a lot of fluff and fake numbers. And I mean, how many times have you guys,

we've now, I don't know how many times I've been blown away by somebody who I think is gonna be like this business savant, or they're gonna have like all this success because they have on social media. They appear. They appear. They appear crazy. Yeah, they appear to be massive and then you get with them in the room and you're like, oh, dude, this, no, they're not at all.

Yeah, so that, it's like those storefrontfronts Those business displays in like North Korea. You know when they take When they take like you know foreign diplomats over to kind of show them around or foreign press They'll take them through and Russia to Soviet Union to this well. They'll take them through They've like built façades big town. Yeah, it looks like a full building and it's just like the front of the building Oh, what was that movie? What was that movie with the Soviet Union where there was the, like they were killing farmers in Ukraine and reporters were trying to report on it and they put them on a train driving through and along the railroad were fake stores. Yes.

Literally fake. Like it was like, it was like it's a wall. Only this deep. Yeah. Somebody pretending to sweep. Yeah. Yeah. In fact, a guy escaped the train and he went through and discovered all these fake towns and stuff.

North Korea does that. Well, they'll have a grocery store with all these products and literally there's people there. Who do we just talk to? Yeah, someone told you. Oh, is that he talked about the pen in North Korea and like how even that was fake. Just the pen, like didn't even have real history.

That's right, he was talking about that. They put on a facade that their markets are doing so well that even have like these like high stores that have all this stuff. But the shoppers are just walking around. Yeah, the shoppers are just walking around. Nobody ever really purchases anything like, I thought that's so wild.

I wanna see that. It's a part of me that wants to see this crazy. You should look into, like people will write about what they're required to do when they go to North Korea. They're like so tightly mounted. And if you pull out a phone camera to take a picture, they'll take your phone and smash it or throw you ass in jail.

So very, very strict with what they do. Yes, yeah, nobody knows. We ever get Rodman on here with the pick his brain without his experience here. Oh, yeah. He's met with some of the craziest people in the world. How does he get here? I don't know.

Who? Dennis Rodman. Dennis Rodman. Oh, yeah. And like Putin, I mean, he's met with like some pretty substantial people. I feel like he's such a rapper. I mean, I'm such a huge fan, right?

It's a reason why he's behind me. So I told you, his book was like life changing for me. And when I was in sixth grade, I think he is just a rapper. I don't care what culture you come from like that, but that idea of I'm gonna do whatever I wanna do. I'm gonna be as bad as a rapper. I'm gonna be. He's on ideas.

Yeah. And truly, not following anyway. I mean, there's so many things that he did, trend setting wise. It's so funny, because now it would even seem, it would not like not following anyway. I mean, there's so many things that he did trend setting wise. It's so funny, because now would even seem, it would not be weird at all. It would seem like he's wearing a wedding dress. Now you wear a wedding dress,

and it was like, oh, he's so great at it, everybody's like. He did it back when it was like, he dressed. And it's funny, you say that, and that's a great example of like, when he did it, I had this like, that's cool, and I respected him, because nobody was doing it. Now when I see people do a lot of this stuff, it's just like, you're copying.

You're not as original as you're trying to play it out to be like, there was somebody who paved this way before. And so that's why I think he's being cool now is like being a square. Yeah, you're a little straight laced. Yeah, yeah. I'm just, you know, I don't do anything crazy. Like crazy.

Before the game. Oh, you're a just, you know, I don't do anything crazy for the game. Oh, yeah. We're in trouble, dude. What's wrong with you? Yeah. Can you look up when Dennis Robin wore the famous dress? Where do you wear it? It was a wedding dress.

Yeah, it was a wedding dress. And he wore it on the cover. He wore it for a photo shoot. Was that with you? He showed it with Madonna, right? He showed up. I don't think it was just that. It was something else.

I feel like he showed up to an event. He did show up to an event. I can't remember what event it just that it was something else. I feel like he showed up to an event. He did show up to an event I can't remember what event it was and I should know this And I and I know he did a photo just in the night. Oh, yeah What am I? It's book so it had to be right I was in 1996 Bro, listen book signing this was a Signed okay, this is it was for his book is bad as I want to be yeah, yeah, yeah, okay Everybody he's think about this for a second. He was a book signing. This is it. It was for his book, his baddest I wanna be. Yeah, I think.

Okay, everybody, think about this for a second. He was a Alpha NBA bad man, a athlete, a bad ass. And this is a 1996, that's a long time ago. And he literally showed up to book signing wearing a woman's wedding dress. I know. Okay, so you think you're cool. Like that dude. what is he?

6,600, 200,000. Yeah, he's like, I dare you to say some shit to him. Yeah, like, I'm just feeling like, my eyes wouldn't even be able to register what I was looking at. I mean, you know, he's a bit of a sad story too though. Like he's definitely mentally tortured and a lot of stuff. Like, I mean, I just, and I first fell in love with his game, right?

Like the way he plays the game of basketball, he was like rebound. Yeah, he was just such a role player. Yeah. The best example. Selfless, right? Like he didn't have to be, he didn't have to be the guy scoring the ball. Like he played, he played defense harder than them or anybody in his game. Was he, he studied the game? I don't know if I ever told you guys this, like he, he studied the game of rebound. So you bring a rebound. That was what he studied the game, I don't know if I ever told you guys this, like he studied the game of rebound. So you bring a rebound and that was what he was known for, right? So he's one of the greatest rebounders of all time.

Yeah. And he did sign that I'd never have heard anybody else do. And I forget who he was shooting around with one before the warm up of a game. And his teammate was like, what are you doing? And he could see that he was focusing on everybody. And he's like, he counts the spins, the rotations of the ball. And he knows where it's gonna go.

Between each guy. So I know that when, you know, when John Stockton shoots it, it rotates six times before it hits the rim. I know when so and so shoots it, it rotates 12 times. And if it rotates 12 times, it's gonna kick off three feet further back. If it rotates six times, it's gonna be shorter to this side. Wow. Yes. The whole method. So, and he would study it that much that, of course, in the real game, he's probably not, but you've seen it enough times that you, you know, it's interesting about that. Because predictive people see that and they're like, oh, that's,

like, that's such an awesome. It's probably, I mean, it's such a level of hyper focus. Oh, yeah. That you probably can't, you probably have trouble focusing on anything else, where you're that obsessed, which makes you excellent. And nobody else in the game was like focused in that direction. Yes. That's what made it so you need to,

because it's like, who's, it's not the glory, you know, that what he's doing is like massively important and like way under looked. And so for him to do that, it was even more of like, I mean, that was like profound. Dude, you know it's speaking to this. So we get to do this for a split moment. I know.

She's the content that I get to listen to. So I actually, the time is almost up. I'll get it in there real quick. You actually, you both will really appreciate this. I just saw an interview with, and I can't think of the guy's name, I'll see if I shared the clip, who used to train Jordan back in the days. And one of the things,

this is before any of the tech that we have now, this is before, and we talk about the trainers and coaches being so horrible back in the days, and even today, like these guys, these professional athletes, higher in the wrong guy, they actually had figured out like load management back all the way back then and that he would watch a tape of a game. So afterwards we said had to record it on a

beta disc and then I'd go back and I would count how many times he cut left versus how many times he cut right, how many times he uses left hand versus how many times he uses right hand and then we would train proportionally. We would train, we would adjust the training in the gym. He would shift the weights on what side he is. I had no idea they were doing that. It's very forward thinking way forward thing. I mean, we have tools now that do a lot of this stuff so that we can measure the load management on these athletes, but to think that Jordan's guy, I

didn't know did I had no idea, never heard that story before. He was being interviewed by somebody and he were, they were talking about how he used to do it by hand. He used to sit there and count. Okay, we used your right hand, you know, 1,750 times. We used your left hand 1,400. So when we train, we're gonna do this like, that's wild, isn't it?

That's so crazy. Isn't that cool? Yeah, that's so smart. That's back in our 90s. Yeah, dude. Wow, pretty good. Isn't that cool? That'd be early 90s.

Isn't that cool? You know the story behind Beta, right? Why that failed? You know it was better than VCR. VHS, sorry. The'd be early 90s. Yeah, yeah. And that cool. You know the story behind beta, right? Why that failed? You know it was better than VCR. VHS, sorry. The big, the big disc. I did hear that. Yeah.

So it was the crash. People at the young people are like, what was the time? Back in the day, we used to watch things on a VHS tape. And there was a competitor to it in the early days called beta, which was smaller. I thought it was beta was the big disc. No, no, no.

Beta was the smaller tape. It looked like a VHS, but smaller. Oh, what was beta was the big disc. No, no, no. Beta was the smaller tape. It looked like a VHS, but smaller. Oh, what was the big, those are laser discs. Oh, I thought that was called beta, my God. Okay, that was after. So beta were little. They were smaller, they look like VHS tape. Maybe you can look up VHS versus beta and connect the TV,

because I think it's disconnected. But it's smaller, it had better sound, better clarity, fit more on smaller tape. So you think,. It had better sound, better clarity, fit more on smaller tape. So you think, well, how the hell did they lose to because VHS obviously dominated and beta went out of business? Yeah. Beta made an exclusive deal with Sony and said, we will not do anything else except with Sony beta players. We will not create these that work with other players. VHS said, we'll let it work with any player that wants to work with us.

And there it is. Yeah, see the top left one. And that's the reason why it died. That's because they made a stupid business decision. Wasn't that the same case with Blu-ray and... It's something, yeah, the competitor was to that. I think it was HD, right? HD DVD.

Yeah, HD DVD. So, isn't that still, like actually, I, you know, your Toma, that's actually what's going through my head, is like, I haven't looked that up in a while to see how the competition between Blu-ray and HD DVDs are still going, did, did, I mean, streaming is gotta be, I mean, do people, do people, do people, do people, do people, do people, do people still buy Blu-rays? You could still get, go to the best buy and buy a Blu-ray. It's kind of smart to do that, because, you know, sometimes it's finicky, like, did, I mean, streaming is gotta be, I mean, do people, do people still buy blue rays? You could still get, go to the best buy and buy a blue ray. It's kinda smart to do that,

because you know, sometimes it's finicky, like these, these streaming services, like it, and you're, whatever, if you're internet or something, it's body S, where are I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I still have to have, I bought some, I, so I went, which is so funny, because you can go now. And for next to nothing, get a really good, Sony high definition, blue ray player. Yeah, like, does it, now, do you have to nothing, get a really good Sony high definition.

Blue Ray player. Yeah. Like, does it now, do you have to plug it in the TV? Or is it wireless? Do you have the plug in the TV? Okay. Uh, so I went and bought, I bought one because when we, well, right when we moved to this, this, this, this, this most recent house, uh, we didn't have any, any internet connected. And they weren't going to be out for a lot of schedule for like two weeks. And I'm like, oh my god, two weeks. It couldn't stream anything. You know, you know, internet can't do, like, you forget And I'm like, oh my God, two weeks. Couldn't stream anything. No internet, can't do, like, you forget. You're like, oh my God, we have,

we can't watch a show, we can't do anything. And so I, which was fine for like a week or so, then I'm like, okay, like, it would be nice Friday night to like watch a movie or something, so I'm like, I'm gonna go see you with the, and I'm like, they were like nothing. It was like 30 bucks or something.

I can get it. Like a blue ray disc and they got like five or six. You remember how much those costs? The blue ray, yeah. Oh, blue ray's likeu-ray disc and they got like five or six. Do you remember how much those costs? The Blu-ray. Oh, Blu-rays like 400,000. You got something back yet. Yeah. I was so mad I sold all of those, dude.

Oh, nothing. No. I gave mine practically away too. I mean, they're, who knows? I doubt they're going to be worth very much money in the future or not. Did you look up, Doug, what happened with the Blu-ray or HDDV? Like if there was... Blu-ray versus HDDVD.

Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right. Sure. That's right. Yeah, I'm interested to see because I think that was the same thing, right? It was like, we made an exclusive deal. Like you don't learn your lesson from beta.

Let's see. Uh, blue rays step ahead with it's, okay, better imagery. Maybe because it was better than what I saw between the two is that Sony owned blue ray and Toshiba owned HD DVD. And Sony has a company just once again, Sony, you know, they had much more money than Toshiba did as they grew. Oh, okay. And Blu-ray was, I mean, as far as I remember, Blu-ray was always a higher quality. You got to love, you got to love markets because we don't just get one new way to show media. We get two or three

people. Yeah, like happens at the same time. And we get to take one. Well, I just shows you. And then also a Blu-ray player with $400 back when money was worth more too. Yeah, yeah. And now you're going for 30 bucks. Yeah, yeah. That's crazy. I mean, it just shows you too, like just how massive our consumer market is that like, you know, there's a huge business, you know, that's actually a model that a lot of people follow is they'll look for things that haven't made it to the states that have proven somewhere else

and that's like a guaranteed model. Like we have enough of those. You're very tested. Yeah, it's been tested somewhere else. It worked. It's like, there's a, you know, we brought this up when we were in London. I was so surprised by the lack of energy drinks

they had there. Oh yeah. Did you notice that? It's just like monstrous. Monster Red Bull. Red Bull. That was it. Doesn't it only drink like in our, in our, in our,

in our main energy drink market. Period. Yeah. Oh yeah. No, here in the US, you go to a joke about. Any gas station, any stuff. Seven shops a week of, you know, any of the piss people off.

I mean, it's not, yeah, you guys did not great. You guys didn't like the coffee, which is, No, we're not. It's downing because you're in Europe. I'm like, what is happening? Yeah, both you guys hate it. I don't drink coffee not yeah you guys did not great you guys didn't like the coffee which is oh You're in Europe. I'm like what is happening? Yeah both you guys hate it. I don't drink coffee But you guys hated the coffee. Yeah, we've never got out energy experience period. Yeah, it did sleep very well Maybe they just sleep better than us Yeah, they don't need as much like I mean I mean, I thought that was, we went to a lot of different places that would carry an convenience store. Yeah, and they only had Red Bull,

they only had, and a very limited selection of that. I mean, in the US, you go to a gas station, you go to a seven different brands. At least that, there's a whole like section of just, so interesting how, we like our drugs here. How much more we have here versus there. I mean, it also I think speaks to the opportunity that is over there for a competitor just sneaking it.

I know, we were talking about that. Yeah. Maybe I'll start a supplement company there. Yeah. You might be able to give me a gig. Come on, guys. Hey, so you want to hear something wild? So I just read in, what was I?

I think it was, I don't remember what magazine it was, but I, online, I pulled up this article for the first time ever, this is a trip, for the first time ever, scientists witnessed chimpanzees killing gorillas. What? No, well, that's how. So chimpanzees are closest relatives, right?

And they, they're vicious. They wage war. Yeah. They actually wage war against each other and have tactics. They eat each other too. Oh, they were, they're fucking vicious, right? And they, and they, they have tactics where they'll, they'll, strategies for waging war. So they actually know how to organize. Well, that's what they do with the grillis.

So researchers heard screaming that they're like, oh my god, that sounds like what chimps do when they fight when they go to war So they went and found them and the chimps had organized and surrounded the grilles and it was like a ratio of 27 to 5 so 27 chimps to 5 grilles Can we put this on the bingo board for apocalypse? Things about to happen, you know, plan the apes They're organizing, you know. Oh my God. Yeah, dude. So they, I guess they got, they organized, got together

and 27 chimps got together and killed five gorillas. That's crazy. That's fucked up. Yeah, that is crazy. And especially if you're gorilla, because you're just so big. I so want to see it. I want to know.

I want to see how that can be pulled out. See if there's a video. That would be, this has to be like the only time they've ever seen This is the first First-year muscle like that thing is not messing around it is, but maybe gorillas are just more peaceful Well 20 chimps are just like 20 something to five is a big difference. Oh, yeah Well, look at you. It's not like chimps are we like more defensive you mean like yeah, look at humans like we

Are pussies in the animal world. They're almost isn't an animal they can't kick or ask. We beat the crap at everyone because of our war like, you know, nature and how we organize. For sure. And chimps are, you know, they organize in that way. Did you find it? They do.

And I think too, they've shown that they use tools. No, that's not the same thing that I read, but not on the planet. Haven't they shown that they use to. No, that's not the same thing that I read, but not all of the time. Having they shown that they've been able to figure out like tools on their own too. Yeah, yeah, that was a little crazy. Like that's been the only species that's like, they've studied that has evolved a little bit.

Yes, right? Yeah, they've seen them actually evolve their skills and pass them on. I don't think this is the same one. Interesting, yeah. But anyway, they're like, they're teaming up on it. I believe you said like 27, 27 chimps to five. I know a gorilla that are terrifying. Oh, yeah. But when you, you know, chimps appear. You're seeing that one video where this guy is like, they're doing like a tour and then like I was just kind of a

little bit close and a gorilla comes by and then just grabs his leg and just starts drag him. Yeah. It's a piece of a chuckle with him. He could do anything about it. He was like, he was so poor guys. Yeah. Yeah.

It just walked by and grabbed me. Yeah. It just grabbed his leg. Like he was like his blankie or something. Do you remember that woman who had a pet chimp? And she gave the pet chimp wine and zanax. Do you guys remember this? Oh yeah, and then it ripped off her face.

Yeah, it went crazy and ripped. And like not like kind of like it's a weird thing. That's when we were podcasting. We didn't even bring that, so we brought that up one day. That's when we were in a long time ago. I'm sorry, I did. I know.

What was she doing with that? Like in bed, they're sleeping. Don't you always think about it? So I would she do I follow a bunch of pages I follow a bunch of pages were Because I was getting some of that money fast day with these guys that have So bad Fast day with these guys to have like these big cats his pets You know how it's like I mean and dudes be putting their their head in their mouth

I'm never surprised when I read some shit like, man, mold by his pet line. I know. What the, of course, dude, I'm more surprised when man is not mold. That's surprising. Yeah, that could be. I saw that cougar coming in to like wake the guy up. Yes.

Yeah. I'm like, oh my god, his face is this big. I know, so I'd trip out what I see., but that was she definitely was having sex with that monkey I mean, there's no question. No, why would you give a monkey wine and Xanax? You like chill out, baby We're not so well we saw even the scientists, you know lady that was jerk enough dolphins Yeah, you know it's interesting Yeah, people are weird. Some weird people.

Keep that illegal, please. Yeah. I know what they're trying to do next. They're trying to pass some laws. Make sure. Yeah, well, speaking of fighting and stuff, someone put notes up there, daycare fights, what happened?

Oh, yes. Daycare fights. That sounds like a bum fight. Somewhere I don't have this in the West. Where's the Bible? You too. That I pull up daycare fights on a thing. I'm serious.

Pull it up. Is that all you know? Yeah, there's these two people that were running a daycare like a busted because They literally started to allow these kids to work it out And then it into like a thing Where they're like have to get these kids together having them fight at a daycare you back Hey, that's kind of like what a bad teenage boy version of you would do Hey you back. Hey, that's kind of like what a bad teenage boy version of you would do So this sounds like a horrible like Vince Vaughn movie or something the big brothers are all the big brothers of the kids

Run oh My god, right like hey, come on. I just picture like they have like a little like a little ring Look at this US daycare workers are rested for running fight ring involved Like is it really consider a fight ring at three. Three. Three. Like, is it really considered a fight ring at that point? Like, dude, imagine like a little tell me we have some clips of them

caught up. I was three olds fight. I mean, I can't be that bad, right? No, all right. It can't be that bad. I mean, I see three olds fight all the time.

I have a three old. Yeah, like, wow. I mean, okay, so, maybe the kids, okay, so there's a fine line here, right? There's a fine line of like where this is like Understandable then border like this is completely

Listen listen, okay Do not think when we back in the back in the days that we if if kids started to get into it That you don't think that we probably allowed them to settle it You think when you think it was You don't think that we probably allow them to settle it? You think it worked it out? You think when, I feel like it was peaked. Hunter, you think,

yeah, well, that's what I'm saying. That's right, that's where the crossing line is like, putting them in a rig and be like, you know, like a cock fighting. And you're like, yeah, do this with them to try and get them placed off and they're in little like corners. Yeah, that's coaching them.

That's over, that's over. That's over. Okay, that's over the top. But if it was, you know, two kids guffling, you're like, hey, let's get started. Yeah, that's different because maybe they're not gonna fight, They're just gonna yell right prior right right

So that's why they're like violent They're blocking them off with Lego or linking logs and like and you're encouraged. Oh my god What do they think of with love and put a glove on so they give them one glove and they're And they're just just punching each other. Yeah, you don't encourage that. What? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that kid can fight though, huh?

I mean, the kids get skills. How's he know that? Yeah, he's, I mean, the next karma Gregor. Yeah, that's, he's got, yeah. There's something like that. The kids like, no, there's a go, little food issue. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, there's no doubt this is terrible. Like, why would you encourage kids to do that? Isn't it? Yeah. They obviously gave each kid a glove and then put it in.

Like, if that was my kid, I would be, whether my kid was on top or on bottom, although if he was on top, there would be a little bit of protein, but I said we'd have to. I'd be so mad. We don't get weird red flag vibes like going into a dick.

You wouldn't be able to like sniff out a little bit of like, well, the picture of the dick. Shenanigans, you know, like, they look suspect out of the gates. They don't seem you know, like, they look suspect down the gates. They don't look like they do some shit. Like, there's some shading is there already. Oh, that you're like, what? That would make me feel like.

They're duking it out. Yeah, little guys. And each kid had a glove, so that was organized, right? That's, my point was like, you know, you're in a daycare, there's 15 and there's two kids fighting over a toy and like, going, hey, hold on, let's see if they settle this, let's see what happens. Yeah, that was way beyond the level. Yeah, that was, they were cheering about, get them.

Yeah, like, discussing, working out. How much, how in trouble did they get today? Oh, you're asking, you better go to jail, bro. That's just that. That air, but I mean, you know how our fucking leagus is to miss sometimes, you know? So some people that should be a jail for life or out really early and people that get life or like ridiculous, you know? Oh, dude, it's no doubt. I hate it. I especially when when weed was really punished criminally. I used to hate seeing these articles with like Dude, molest children gets, you know, probation guy has announced a weed goes a jail for five minutes. That's why I mean

It's exactly crazy. Exactly. I'm talking about it's crazy that we have, don't we still have some people that are in prison over like some bullshit marijuana. Still. How is it that anything like any crime offense against children shouldn't be the most punished. Most punished. Yeah.

Period. Like that should just be like every state everywhere. Yes, yes. Crimes against people, physical harm or abuse should be punished highly to children, should be punished the most. And the story. Yeah.

And the story. Yeah, you know, speaking of other states, the stuff like that, a little shout out, I gave this shout out already to a buddy, but I'm gonna do it again and also shout out two things with it. So I mentioned maybe like, I don't know, a couple of months ago, I talked to you guys

about a guy that I follow online, his handles Kendrick underscore barbecue. Love his stuff, right? So we ended up, he, and he didn't know who we were. Actually, a bunch of people actually reached out to him and then like since then we've been come friends and connected and everything like that. He sponsored by Trigger Grills. We all have Triggers and Love Trigger. And, you know, it's, oh man, we used to have a deal with him a long time ago. I got to get rid of my trigger grills. We all have triggers and love trigger. And you know, I told him, oh man, we used to have a deal with him a long time ago. I got to get reconnected and I said, I want to put one up in our park city house. And he's like, dude, I got you. And then that was kind of the end of the conversation.

Like literally, like a couple of weeks later, calls me up and like sends me this video of like the top of the line, iron grill, all the bolt-ons, like this whole six set up. And he drives an hour from his house to over to Park City, early in the morning, sets it all up for us, gets it all good to go. Yeah, dude, so, and I, you know, I, I, after he did it, I was like, dude, you do not have to do that. You know, I would have paid for this and let me do something for you. And he's like, no, not at all. He goes, you know what, Adam? He's like, I've been doing this social media game for almost 10 years now. Had the opportunity. It could have been on some cooking shows.

I've had the opportunity to do podcasts, turned all that stuff down. He goes, you know, unfortunately in this world so many people do things because they, that was transactional only. They want something in return only. And he goes, the organic shout out that you guys did for me when I didn't even know who you were and so like that. He's like, that's one of that you guys did for me, when I didn't even know who you were and so like that, he's like, that's one of the most real things that someone has I've encountered,

since I've been doing all this stuff. And I just appreciate that. And the irony is, because he's this way, we're giving him a shout out. Oh yeah, we want to send people his way. And so just, there's also a lesson there I feel like from the younger generation that's coming up in this space.

You know who else reminds me of this, is our good friend Don Saladino. Totally. He is 100%. Yeah. And I hope he doesn't mind me sharing this without giving away too much of his personal information. But you know, he has the opportunity. I had any trainer I've ever met. I've never met anybody who has trained more famous people than he has. So he's got a list, a list, a whole bunch of them. And one of the things he's notorious for doing is when they try and Pam, he's like, no, I just, you know, get me later. And he totally does not. And then they're like, hey, you want to take a picture?

Well, he's like, no, no, no, no, this is your private time. Why not? And it's so smart because most people would, if they trained one of these a list actors, would be jumping they train one of these a-list actors, would be jumping on the opportunity to take a photo with them, to post them online, to cloud chase. Right. Or, oh, you job opportunity to make a lot of money,

because this person has a lot of money, so I can charge them twice. And like, he's the opposite on both those things. And as you can see, it served him very well. There's a reason why he trains. It's genuine. Yes, he's genuine. It's not for anything. Yeah, it served him very well. There's a reason why he trains. He trains, it's genuine. Yes, he's genuine. It's not for anything. Yeah, and that's it.

He's not angling, he's not manipulating. He's just like, he knows he's good at what he does. He's a genuine good dude. And I believe that if you stay consistent with that, it doesn't mean you're not gonna run into slime balls and manipulative people and people that aren't gonna reciprocate the good, the good, the good take advantage.

But one out of 10 will and the one that I attend will, I promise you, is so worth it. And if you live your life that way, I promise that you'll live in a place of abundance, it just takes time and consistency and it's got to come from the right place. That's right. So who is the Kendrick? Where do we go? Where's the link for? Kendrick is Kendrick is Kendrick underscore barbeque is his handle.

If you're not following Trigger Grills, you got to do that. But Kendrick has got like all the sick recipes. So check that all out. All right. What is a butcher box? Well, this is a company that takes grass fed meats, delicious grass fed meats, wild cop fish, heritage pork, delivers it to your door. So it eliminates middleman.

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You got New York strip, a filet mignon and rib eyes. Like the way I said, filet mignon, Justin. I said it really good. Anyway, you can put one of those in your box for free for an entire year, but you got to go to butcherbox.com forward slash mine pump. Alright, back to the show. Our first caller is Bruce from Texas. Bruce, what's happening? How can we help you? Hey guys, how are y'all? Good, Bruce. Good, good. Well, yeah, thanks for having me on big fan of the show and worked through a few of the programs

before the map stuff and just for everybody listening, it's legit, it works. Don't overthink it. Just follow the programming and I think from listening to you guys now for a couple of few years, I, you start to get the wisdom behind, you know, how you guys have set the things up. So thank you Bruce. We'll send you your check next week.

Yeah. Yeah. That's going on Instagram. Just go and code Bruce. I'm send you your check next week. Yeah That's gonna Instagram code Bruce So okay, so my my question is this it seems like lately you guys had just happened to Comment lately on training to failure a few times and my question is You know just for us regular folks if y'all can just kind of talk about the difference between, and really just practically like, how does it feel when you're

in the workout, the difference between training to failure as opposed to, you know, just regular progressive overload, trying to push a little bit more, maybe a little bit more weight this week, but I'm failing on that last wrap of the second set. I'm failing as in, I can't, I need to lift it all the way. The last few wraps of the third set. If I understand your guys' kind of advice on training to failure is it could be beneficial but certainly not the centerpiece and so just for regular guy going through his regular every week workouts, how can I know that I'm not, that I'm just pushing myself but I'm not inadvertently falling over into training to failure which as I understand it, if that's

too much of what you're doing, it can actually be detrimental. Yeah, good question. Yeah, so all right, let's talk about progressive overload first. And the difference between that and failure. So progressive overload just means you're doing a little bit more over time.

And the time scale can be quite long. I think when you first start out, it's very easy to look at progressive overload and apply it to every workout. So like this workout, a little more than last workout, next workout, a little more than this workout. So it's not just weight, it could be reps, it could be sets, so you could progressive overload, it could even be tempo. Yeah, just you're basically doing a little more than you were before. And over long periods of time, especially you become advanced, you want to kind of train in that direction. However, it has its limitations. You can't progressively

overload forever. Obviously. I mean, I've been working out since I was 14. So at this point, my workouts should be 10 hours long with, you know, I'll be lifting styles. Thousands of pounds. So it's just, it's very good metric to look at, especially the first three years, two or three years of training. After that, I wouldn't necessarily marry it because things start to change after a particular period of time. But within the first three years, it's very important. Failure, as we define it, is the inability to complete another rep with good form. Technical failure. Right, so you're lifting away, you can't lift it again with good form, so you fail.

Now some people define failure is not even able to move the bar. I think that's beyond failure. I also think that the risk versus reward with that is just not worth it. I don't think it's, you're going to get more of a reward. All you're doing is increasing the risk of injury and or training bad recruitment patterns. You know, what you train is what you end up developing. So if you work out with a particular technique or form that's off of,

what would be considered ideal? Well, that's what you end up strengthening. So we don't recommend that as well. Now, leaving one or two in the tank. Okay. So this is a feel thing. This means that you need to kind of know what it feels like to fail.

And to be quite honest, a lot of the benefit of occasionally trained to failure for the average person, I say occasional, I mean really occasionally, like, you know, one workout a month, see what this looks like, is it gives you a good basis for where failure is? Because what typically will happen

when someone's been working out for a while, if they've never gone to technical failure, especially for a tough exercise like a squat or an overhead press or something like that, is that they think that they're stopping to reps short of failure when in reality it was more like five or six. And if you've ever done barbell squats to failure, you know this is like you do a rep,

and like oh my god, that's gotta be the last one. They do another one, you're like okay, I think I got more. And it's just so painful and so tiring, so exhausting that we tend to not predict accurately where failure. So going to failure, one of the big values of it is you know where to stop your sets moving forward. I'd say that's the main the main value. That's the bigger value. It's really getting a gauge of that because I think if you've never trained a failure, the thing that you just you you tend to underestimate what you got left, especially in exercises

like, you know, like a barbell back squat or a deadlift, I feel like those big movements we end up getting more out. But you could train forever, Bruce, and never actually go to mechanical failure and still continually to progress the body. Yeah. So, and I'm not necessarily. And I think, especially when I'm talking to my male clients, we tend to flirt with that too much.

My female clients tend to never do it, and I gotta kind of push them to wanna do it. My guys tend to wanna do it all the time because we kinda have that ego inside of us, I could do more, I never do it, and I gotta kind of push them to wanna do it. My guys tend to wanna do it all the time because we kinda have that ego inside of us. I could do more, I could do more, and so you're constantly doing that. But if you're doing any reps, where, especially like let's use like a bench press

for an example, and to get it up, you fill yourself roll in the shoulder or arch in the back more to leverage yourself to get up. Like you're beyond, to me, that's beyond failure. I want to be able to keep strict, good form and finish a rep. And honestly, if you could barely finish that last rep, that's pretty close to failure right there already.

And so getting those in there every once in a while, there's value to that. But if you're having a squirm on the bench, or cheetah side up, or you do a squat in the knees cave in, you fill your hips shift on the way up, like we're training beyond that point. And like I think a lot of people tend to do that. And it's just not necessary.

Yeah. The three big factors that you manipulate, because we can break the next, these three factors down into subcategories and we can get real technical, but really generally speaking, the three factors that you manipulate to progress your body when it comes to strength training in particular is intensity, frequency, and volume. Okay, so how intense is how hard the workout is? Frequency is how often you train a particular body part or exercise, and then volume would be typically, and there's different ways to calculate, but typically it would be, you know, sets, times reps, times the weight that you lifted.

And all of those play a role. I mean, there's, you know, 15 week studies on going to failure, doing one set, the show great results. There's another study that shows that ramping up the volume over the over 16 weeks up to like something like 50 sets, this just came out. Some like up to 50 sets per body part produced better results in that 16 week period. There's, you know, studies that show training extremely frequently produces better results. One thing I'll say about all of these is that if you extend all these studies long enough, they'll all stop working. So really what you wanna do is you wanna play with these factors and it's a risk versus rewarding.

What's working for my body? How is my body responding? It stopped responding. Let's try some novelty. But I will say for most people, for most people, not trained to failure is gonna get you better results. And for most people, training the whole body a few days a week is superior to other ways. And then for most people, training the whole body a few days a week is superior to

other ways. And then for most people, your total sets per body part probably are going to be around 12 for the week. And that's probably going to be best for most people. Yeah, I'd say the exception really only is competition. So if you're actually like a competitor with a good point, you know, barbell lifts your power lifter or, you know, you're actually like a competitor with a, you know, barbell lifts, you know, your power lifter or, you know, you're, you're trying to hit like a new level where you're stretching your body in terms of like even if I'm training somebody through like football and we're trying to, to increase and, and to press and then go a little bit beyond the healthy zone. So here's a thing about that. There are times, you know, where we press our body

beyond the health range of what we're normally training. So, but to their points, it's for your average person and you're just trying to get stronger. You can continually get stronger by not exceeding that. So knowing that line's valuable, but but really like there is no real, like solid reason why you should press it to that degree. Bruce, what programs of ours have you gone through? A few of them.

I've done a Annabelle aesthetic, which that one was tough. And then the 15 minutes, oh, and I did that when I had a really busy season at work, because that was interesting. And then I was just kind of going back through Animal again, just, you know, as everybody always says, yes, the first one everybody does, and you saw all the great results. So I kind of delved back into that one. And that's why I was, you know, is in that phase three, you know, where there's a lot more volume. So that's why I had this question. And so it sounds like you guys are,

is it correct to that you're saying, like kind of your sweet spot is knowing yourself to know, like, okay, this last rep that I did is the one I did with proper form. And if I were to do another one, I'm likely gonna break down. Yeah, so cheat the rep. And if I were to do another one, I'm likely going to break down. Yes, yes, and cheat to wrap. Even if you could get it up, if you got a cheat to wrap,

then we would consider that beyond failure right there. You know what, Bruce, let me send, let me give you the advanced maps in a box. So you can actually see how we program failure in. So that program has, that's the only one that we have. The only program that we actually programmed all your accounts for the recovery. And so the other part about, you know, the, the,

the other reason why we don't promote failure training that often to people isn't necessarily to that it doesn't have its studies that support the great benefits. It's that people take it always too far and you need to account for when you stretch yourself like that, you also need to learn how to pull back. So in that program, we scale that. So you have a week where you're chasing failure training and then you scale back. And then you're chasing failure. And so you can see like,

especially since how you started this conversation was, from listening to us over time, you're starting to piece together like, okay, I'm getting the wisdom behind why they do what they do. What a guy like you who's already piecing that together with us? If you go through that program, you'll start to, it'll probably make sense to you like how you do that for yourself. Yeah. Yeah, interesting. Awesome. Well, thanks a lot guys. I really appreciate it. Yeah, I'm thanks for calling in. Yeah.

Okay. All right, Bruce. Appreciate Bruce. Thanks guys. You got it. Yeah, I think if most people, this is, I've been trying to kind of, I guess, hone it. Yeah, I think if most people, this is I've been trying to kind of I guess hone this message, but I think if most people who are consistent right who train all your ear in, you're out. I think if one fourth of the time they trained like they were pushing to progress and the other three fourths, they were just trying to take care of themselves and maintain. I think if they did that year round, they'd be okay. And what that would look like would be like, you know, three, three months out of the year, you're going for it or every quarter,

four weeks or something like that, right? So something like that, I think, is, is because here's what happens when you push it really hard, you do get faster results, but you will quickly stop and go backwards if you don't go back and scale back. And I think that one fourth is probably a good general way to look at it. Yeah. And I think people will have a misconception that we're not like really pressing the intensity, which is not true. That's not what we're saying at all. It's a matter of effort. And you can place a lot of that effort and challenge within the

confines of doing it technically sound. And so that's actually a lot more difficult because you rely a lot of times on momentum in your body to kind of contort and be able to compensate, to be able to get the weight to go or it needs to go. But to do that with sound technical form is much more challenging. Listen, I love that we don't push failure because you can, to your point that you made talking to him that you could never train to failure and you could sculpt, shape, get

stronger, you could do everything and never train to failure. Does that mean that we don't think there's value to it? No, I just think that the message is the opposite in the space. The reason why we get questions like this all the time still and why we're constantly having to repeat this stuff is because the general population is being told that they don't train intense enough. An intensity is such a major factor in their results. And you got to push harder and then all the videos that you see are these videos

and people struggling and challenging and pushing that intensity. And so the mainstream narrative around training is most people, the reason why you don't look that way is you don't train hard enough. And so that's not true. And I think that I like that we counter that message. It's not that none of us in here trained to failure.

We don't use that tool. We have a program where we've programmed it in there. It's just, it's not the end all be all. And in fact, I think most people overuse it and abuse it. So I, I, I, do you want to just, do you want to train hard or do you want to get the best results? If you just want to train hard and then, you know,

turn off this podcast, you need anybody's advice. Go to the gym and go play your head on the wall. If you want results, there's a smart way to do it. That's all it is. The smart way to do it uses and manipulates those factors and ways to get the body, to go the body, to adapt and respond. This whole idea of forcing the body

and what that paints in our minds, which is I gotta beat the crap out of myself. Otherwise nothing's gonna happen. Nothing will happen if that's your mentality. Did you say goad? Yep, great verb there. Our next caller is Noah from New Hampshire. No, what's happening?

How can we help you? Hey guys, so first off, I know everybody says this, but just thank you for what you guys do. You guys are great role models. I mean, like I have an awesome dad, but it's great to have three others out there. So thank you. Thank you, man. So I, a little about me, so I'm 23 and I'm getting married next year. Yeah, congratulations. What did you say?

Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So I guess my question is, do you have any advice for someone who wants to get as jacked as possible in a year? So just a little background. So about me, I discovered you guys during the pandemic. At that point, I was 250 pounds.

Oh, shit. Pretty obese. No weight training experience or knowledge. And then after listening to you guys, I'm in a much healthier place. So over the course of the last like three and a half or a years, I got down to about 170 pounds through weight lifting and cardio or weight lifting, but no cardio. I got two places that I was like relatively happy with. Never really broke 15% body fat, I'm pretty sure, but I was healthy.

But that said, now that my fiance and I are doing long distance, she's away at school and I have sort of the time and the money to push myself, that's what I want to do. So that said though, right now I'm around 190 pounds eating about 3,000 calories a day. I do track. And I sort of took the summer off just a little bit. So you know, you know, ice cream, you know, not training super consistently. That said, I now want to get back to it and basically looking to get as big Jack as possible in a year.

So that said, what's your advice? All right, you're in a good place. Yeah, you're in a good place. She's already gonna marry you. You don't need to work out anymore. Yeah. That's like the last hurrah. Yeah.

All right, so you were at your 190 now eating about 3,000 calories a day, you said? Correct. But you had originally, you had gotten down to 170, so you put on another 20. Is it muscle body fat? What did you put on? Yeah, that's a good question. So the photos that I sent you, I was about 171.75. Since then, I've definitely put on muscle,

but I've definitely also put body fat on. So like I lost most of the definition in my core, I'm stronger, but not nearly as lean. I would say I'm closer to 19 or 20% part of that. Got you. Okay. So here's what I would do. I would go on a cut to start, well you have a year, right? I have, well now it's closer to 10 months.

Okay. I would go on a cut and then I would go on a bulk and then I would go on a cut again. I would alternate between cut and bulk, just to give you that kind of lean body mass that you're looking for. How do you want to look on your wedding day big or lean? I definitely don't say big lean by the way. Yeah, I know, I know.

Definitely would rather be lean than big. Okay, so that's how I would make sure to end your workout cycle, your diet with a cut going into your wedding. But I would start with a cut and then go into a bulk and then follow our pro, do you have our programs, you follow any of them? Yeah, yeah, I, yeah, I forgot to mention that. So I have a lot of your programs. I've run Anabolic Abonge. I started out in aesthetic and lived in that early on in my fitness journey until I heard that you guys say that's not like the best program to live in. So I've done Anabolic Abonge currently doing split though.

Okay, how do you like it? Do we have a full year? What's our, do we have a full year? Ten months, ten months. Ten months, do we have? Yep. So basically we've had three programs. So what we would do then.

Yep. I mean, I love anabolic performance and then either any anesthetic or... Symmetry. Oh, you can go to Symmetry. Oh, yeah, dude. I think you should do Symmetry. How far are you in display and how's the volume? Is it too much for you? Is it

okay? No, I like the volume. I'm only, well, I mean, I'm only a couple weeks in at the moment. Okay. All right. So you have about to maybe another almost three months left with split. Pretty much. Okay. Go into cut now. I would go in a small deficit. So if your maintenance is 3000, bring it down to about 2500. After split, go on a bulk with symmetry, and then let's have you end with anabolic, with which is gonna be your kind of traditional mass builder.

I think that would be a good approach. Now the key is gonna be to really listen to your body and be consistent. Consistent in the sense that we can get carried away with both the cut and the bulk, right? We can get carried away with the cut where we go too low with the calories. And then the bulk, a lot of times people just lose track

and they're not really looking at, oh, I'm 500 calories above maintenance, they just eat like crazy. So if your consistent, 10 months is a long time. You can make huge, like incredible transformation, 10 months is a long time, you can make huge, incredible transformation in 10 months. The key here, you might be looking for a magic answer, a secret answer, really it's about consistency.

It's everything is going to be the diet, bro. You've got a good base right now. You've got an experience of lifting, so this isn't foreign to you. You're good amount of calories where you're at right now. Like you have a good amount of time, you sound like you're dead. It's literally going to be how consistent to the nutrition can you stay. And if you really want to really blow her socks off and you want to have, and build the best physique you've ever had on your wedding day, it really will be, can you discipline yourself for 10 months?

To sacrifice all the nutritional temptations that are going to happen. And if you can, you're going to have an incredible time. And this is what I'll do since you have a bunch of our programs. I'll have Doug put you in the forum. And if you do this for me, it's once a month, give us a check back in where you're at.

This is how many calories I've been eating for the last three to four weeks, boys. Here's where my current physique is at. Let me give you a little insight on how you're feeling, what you've been doing, how consistent you've been or that that, and then we can give you like little adjustments from month to month all the way to your wedding.

Yeah, now, when we say consistency, the tough part typically is the weekends for people. It's got a consistent like you're always on point. If you're always on point for the next 10 months, you're going to make such a radical transformation in your physique. It's going to be crazy. It'll be insane. That's the key, right? That's like the secret thing right there. Don't miss workouts. Be consistent with your sleep. By the way, everything that we're saying requires a skill that is going to make you an incredible husband and one day, hopefully an incredible father, which is discipline. A disciplined man is a good man because undisciplined over a while, men have a huge potential for

all kinds of craziness. So discipline, training it in any different, in different in any way is gonna make you a better man, especially at your age or 23 So if you can be if you could show yourself consistency for 10 months With all these things and not go off the rails not go out with your buddies and drink not go eat a bunch of whatever not Miss workouts because you don't feel like it not go to bed late because you want to watch something or play video games If you could you will develop a lot of discipline by the end of this and it will make you a better husband and a better father for sure on that note You know, how's your self-awareness? What's if you had to tell me like Adam this is my weakness or this is my biggest challenge

Either nutritionally or being consistent with the lifting on certain days, like, where is your Achilles heel? Where do you struggle the most? That's a good question. I would say probably, I go to the gym consistently, but there's definitely some days that I'll skip the compound movement just because it's hard. I could be better about that. I'm definitely consistent with my diet for the most part, consistent with the gym for the most part, but I definitely could be better about just 100% consistency. Okay.

That's a good goal right there in itself is to not skip the compound. Those squats and dead lips and overhead press are gonna pack on the most amount of muscle and show you the greatest change. So, disciplining yourself there. The thing I was looking for is like your treat or your nutritional habit. I know you mentioned you have like ice cream,

like during the summer and stuff like that. Be aware of what, like if you are guilty of not only having like the ice cream here and there, but also what I tended to do at your age is miss my protein intake, right? I ate the ice cream, and then I also missed the protein intake, and then that was also the week where I didn't squat, you know, like that's a, like streaming together weeks where that doesn't happen, it's going to make a huge difference in your progress. So, but if you post in the forum once a month and give us an update on where you're at, what you're doing, what the last four weeks have been like, the boys and I can make

subtle adjustments along the way and get you looking shredded by wedding time. Awesome. Yeah, I'd really appreciate that. Thank you, you guys. Yeah, let me also, we'll do that. Congratulations again. Thank you. Thank you.

All right, man, thanks for going. 23s, young, huh? Young kid getting you. I got it. Thanks for going. 23s young, huh? Young kid getting married. That's good stuff. Yeah, it's this is a good exercise and discipline, you know, and that's what I mean, that's what the next phase is for a young man is, you know, you're you go into that phase of of manhood of of adulthood where you you have to you have to be consistent and disciplined because life gets hard, life is stressful. Yeah, the message around consistency is such a

blah, generic thing that you probably, everybody hears from every person. You know why people miss the undervalued it. They say, oh yeah, okay, I heard consistent. Yeah, like no, no, it's like already a known. Listen, if one day a week you're off every week versus someone who's on Every single day every week dramatic. This is why I love and hopefully he listens to this part too So and it was around this time in his my life when I started to piece this one together

I've shared this hack before and that was I when I when I set a goal like this for a 10 months a long time I That was when I set a goal like this for like 10 months, a long time, it's inevitable that I don't care. I mean, maybe you're a competitor and you're obsessed and you might be able to string 10 months of perfection of never missing anything that's not likely, right? What's likely is that they're going to have a day or two here and there in that process. That's inevitable. My goal is like, here's what I nutritionally need to do every single day.

Here's what I need to do training or activity wise every single day. Let me see how many days I can string together and not mess that up at all and be perfect. When that happens, say day 11, you end up not hitting your protein and take or you missed that you didn't squat or like that. Okay, that's not a perfect day.

I'm back to zero. Now I gotta beat 11 days. And I would just keep playing this game of every time I didn't have a perfect day, I'm back to my streak of consistency to zero and then try and beat it. And then yeah, and then what ends up happening is now I've strung 17 days in a row. And now I've done 30 days in a row. And then before you know, you look back, you're like, Oh, shit, I've actually put together two and a half months of perfection. And over the total, I've done 30 days in a row. And then before you know what you look back, you're like, oh shit, I've actually put together two and a half months of perfection.

And over the total, I've only had four bad days in six months. That's how you move the needle. That's the stuff you need to appear into. Because I mean, I was like, rack in my brain, I don't even remember what you recommended program wise, doesn't really matter to be honest with you.

I mean, yes, it does. Like in terms of like, which ones, like promote the most muscle building but but the consistent you have the consistency like we could mention anything and it's not really good you know you're right you're right we could literally run three of any of our programs if he's if he's consistent with the lifting and he's dialed on the nutrition he'll he'll transform his part program and consistently superior to a

perfect program then inconsistently that's right Our next color is Lorenzo from New York. Lorenzo, what's happening? How can we help you? Gentlemen, it's an honor and a pleasure, guys. What happened? It's happening. It's happening. I just have to say, you know, obviously your programs and your fitness advice have changed lives. But I think we'll put you guys over the top of the transparency and the honesty that you guys share with your family lives, your journey, your health issues, et cetera, et cetera. And people can really relate to that, and I appreciate that about you guys.

Thank you, thank you. Absolutely. So a little background, I'm 51, 6'1, 187. I've worked out on and off for, you know, 30 plus years, a lot of running and vibe. That was an attractive team, all that, etc. I've always bench pressed, probably hit maybe 250, 270 back in the day. I never deadlisted consistently until about a year and a half ago with antibiotics. That quickly went to about 405. I'm at 405 now.

Nice. Nice. You know, I'm no spring chicken, so the numbers aren't extremely important, but, you know, I am concerned with getting stronger and continuing on that path. I feel like my ceiling for my deadlift is so much higher than my ceiling on my bench press. When I bench press anywhere around 200 and above, I start to feel it in my train and my bones. And with deadlift, I could easily see getting to probably 500 pounds. And I don't know what the breakdown is as far as the percentages of what it should be Etc. But you know, I have long arms. I have skinny joints

Not using that as an excuse, but kind of sort of But you know, I'm happy with aesthetically and happy with you know my bill. I've always had a Well-developed chest so I didn't really have to do much, but I'm just wondering I hear about Well develop chess so I didn't really have to do much but I'm just wondering I hear about Balancing when it comes to left versus right and I'm wondering if Post-serial anterior muscular development and Inbalances are a thing as well as far as that causing Injuries in the future and what have you? Yeah, that's a good question. There's there's there's that's that can always happen

Usually it's the other way. Yeah, usually if you it's the injuries happen when people push more than they pull. You should be able to pull more than you push. By the way, the leverages that make you a good deadlifter are also the same leverages that are going to make you a bad bench presser. So, you know, if you deadlift well, you probably do have long arms. Yeah. If you're bench real well, you probably have short arms.

That's just one example. So really, really good bench pressers are almost never really good deadlifters and advice for someone. And if I had a client, I would want you to have a stronger post-ear chain because everything we do is anteriorly driven. You drive your car all day long, your arms are in front of you,

you eat everything you do is rounding and closing the body. So being really strong on the opposing side is a very healthy, good thing, good balance. That's a good balance to have. Even though the numbers, right, you're not bench pressing 400 pounds and you're deadlifting 400 pounds. That doesn't make you in balance in that area. Like we do so much stuff in an anterior that having a strong post-ear chain is,

most people don't have a strong enough post-ear chain. I would worry about the imbalances that I would worry about, the most, I guess, the most common imbalances are right to left. Right to left is one, hip flexor to core stability is another that's a little bit more specific. Anterior to posterior, you'll see this with shoulder injuries often, people like bench press a lot.

This doesn't happen as much as it used to. When we were young, you're the same age group, Lorenzo, you go to the gym and my teens, nobody was deadlifting and everybody was bench pressing. And then you would see shoulder injuries as a result, like shoulder pain. But I wouldn't worry too much about the polling versus pushing in your case. But if you have right to laugh, big, big discrepancies, that can definitely cause problems. Map symmetry, because... Well, I try not to favor one over the other. Listen, I love deadlifting.

It's more nuanced. And I guess, you know, that's a big reason why I just love it. And plus I'm built more for it. But so you're just saying just continue to push the ceiling. And in both, I do, you know, continue to enjoy bench pressing as well. And use it as a motivation to get stronger.

But just continue and let my body tell me, right? That's right. Yeah, that's it. I like to send you map symmetry. I think you would enjoy that. And since this is a question about imbalances, map symmetry, the way it's laid out, you have an isometric portion,

then you have unilateral stuff. So you're gonna, like, Salis Point, you're gonna see if there's any discrepancy left to right, and that you'll be able to address that. And then at the end of the program, it ends in a like a five by five type of phase. So then you'll get to go back to your dead lifting and squatting and then see how training unilateral

for a while has improved that. So I think that'd be a good way to interrupt your training. Totally. And you know, I noticed that you're a male carrier. So I've worked with male carriers before. I've worked with a lot of steps in. Yeah, you get those steps. But I've noticed with male carriers before. A lot of steps in. Yeah, you get those steps. But I've noticed with mail carriers. It's amazing, Cav. We sometimes see a right to left imbalance because

they'll always carry their bag on one side. And because there's so much movement throughout the day, repeated movement, that, like I said, I've worked with some and there was, there would be an imbalance between right and left. and I had to have them switch The bag to the other side to try to balance things out while we trained because it was really hard to overcome when you know You know for seven hours a day. They're they're walking with the background the same shoulder It's funny you say that because I stopped using my bag years ago the volume has decreased But I it was noticeable. I used to carry on my right side and it was just so noticeable that I was like, I was

just like, there's something wrong with me carrying all this mail, I would break it up or do what I had to do. I really carry a bag nowadays. Okay. All right. Good deal. Good deal. But yeah, symmetry won't be going.

One more thing. Go ahead. My girlfriend, she's been running anabolic as well. And sometimes when she can't get to the gym, she doesn't do, she feels guilty, which is a good thing, but she doesn't turn that guilt into doing her trigger sessions. So her name is Chanel. Could you just please tell Chanel that the importance of doing her trigger session?

I don't know if this is a word. I don't know if this is a word. I never met a woman that does something because they're boyfriend or husband. That's why he's having you do it. So it's coming for you. But she knows he told us. No, you know, okay, so here's a deal with trigger sessions. Trigger sessions, whatever results you get

with MAP Santa Ballack, you can confidently add about five to 10% by doing trigger sessions, okay? So it's not all the results, but five to 10% on doing trigger sessions, okay? So it's not all the results, but five to 10% on top of what you're already doing by just doing some trigger sessions is a big deal. And I mean that in terms of muscle growth, strength, and fat loss. So it's not, it's still significant.

So people will skip it thinking it's not, it's inconsequential, it's not. Like you will get, like I said, five to 10% better results by doing those consistently. one of the best things That I ever did was allow myself that that okay if I didn't get to the gym because I was all or nothing most of my Lifting career is like if I didn't get hard work out in and fuck it I'm not gonna do anything one of the best things I did was get rid of that mentality of like hey even Three sets of body weight squats or lunges or 100 pushups

is actually way more beneficial than I think it is. Like it's not like it has to be an either or. And so if you missed the gym, then hey, get in some bodyweight squats that take you five to minutes to do some trigger sessions. And you'll see doing because what's going gonna happen is over a course of a year, you're gonna have a bunch of days that you miss. We're all human, and we're not all competitors and give a shit if we miss a workout in there.

So instead of writing it off completely, just do something, or even, so what Katrina and I will do sometimes too, is we know we miss the gym the day, so we'll go out of our way to get an hour walk that we normally wouldn't do, is just do something to promote You know health or making a good choice just because you didn't lift weights

I mean there's not something else that you can do Awesome I picked up animal like advanced what I run that before Cemetery or after Run symmetry first and that's actually a great program to follow up. Yep. Yep Oh, awesome. Yep. You got so much guys. I appreciate you guys. Thank you. He looks pretty good for 51. It looks great. What's happening? And he's, I mean, he was never a deadlift or an alley's pool in 400.

I know. Well, I mean, that's a listen. I just is so true. Like, like the greatest, the greatest pressers are terrible deadlifters, and the greatest deadlifters tend to be terrible. That's why I like powerlifting the way they have it structured, because it's like that. The leverage is very obvious, where you have your advantages and disadvantages

and to be able to work on your disadvantages, it's just gonna bring your whole body up. 100%. And then again, for people listening right now, you don't wanna push more than you can pull. And when I say pull, I mean, row, deadlift is part of it, but really like row. And right to left, that's where the issues happen is when the right to left is off, that's when you start to see some big problems.

Our next caller is Megan from Indiana. Hi, Megan. How can we help you? Hey, guys. I'm super excited for the chance to talk to you guys a little bit. So I'll just jump right into it. Thank you. I started getting really serious about my health and fitness around December of last year. I've always been a super active person.

I was a college athlete, played softball and I work as an ecologist now. So I'm outside walking several miles usually a day when I'm in the field. Not to mention I'm the mom of two young boys, a year and a half and five years old. I'm when I was pregnant with my first one, I found out that I had a thyroid disease. So first off, I wanted to say thank you guys after listening to some of your episodes on hormones. I worked up the courage to go see a functional medicine doctor, and I'm so glad I did, I did that in September. So I'm 32 years young, I say young, but some days I question, and I just

was feeling off. So after I had my second son, I've had some very bad anxiety, depression, and weight gain. I've been meal prepping since January, breakfast, lunch, and dinner. I started going to the gym, tried to feel better both mentally and physically, and to get stronger and burn fat. And despite all the meal prepping workouts, I've gained like 30 pounds since January. I expected some weight gain, but I feel like that was a little excessive. And it seems like I'm doing everything right. My husband even jumped on board and of course his results are amazing. So don't get me wrong, I've gotten stronger and I have lost some fat, but it just seems like the midsection won't go away. That is part of the reason I

went to the functional medicine as well as other symptoms such as no energy, super tired and absolutely zero libido. She did a hormone test and a test for T3 and she found that despite my T4 and my TSH being in range, my T3 was low and my progesterone was super low. It was like a 23, I don't know if you know much about the scale for that. It was a 23 and I should have been between like a 60 and a 100. My DHEA was a 2 and it should have been between like a 60 and a hundred. My D H E A was a two and I should have been between like a three and a 10 So it turns out I wasn't as crazy feeling as I thought I was I'm now starting treatments for these issues. I've just been super discouraged by the lack of fat loss in the midsection You know, like I said, I've had tremendous gains. I'm bench pressing 180. Wow. I'm squatting 250

Deadlifting 350 Wow, you're strong. So yeah, like the gains have been amazing. I've Really happy with my results in the gym But my my question now is do I need to focus on more reps with lighter weight or Stick with the heavy lifting to try to get that stubborn hormonal belly fat to go. I currently have my heaviest weight. I've lost a few pounds since September, so I'm down to about 250. That's going to the gym three to four days a week. Goal weight is like 180. Like I said, my husband's been super supportive through the whole process.

I've always struggled with my weight and my size. And at this point, I'm just super discouraged finding the hormone results. Just, I don't know, that's just really a... Don't let that discourage you. That's actually a really good thing. I mean, think about the hard work, the consistency you've been putting in, and being frustrated that you're not seeing the amount of results you want to see and you've just unlocked and figured that out. I mean, it would actually, I would be, now I would be a little discouraged and frustrated,

had you gone through all that hard work, that consistency, and then you found out you're perfectly balanced and you're normal. You're like, what the hell's going on? Then that would be discouraging. It's actually really encouraging that you've actually seen the strength gains, the results that you have, and hormonally we've been kind of all over the board right now. So Megan, is it Hashimoto's or hypothyroidism?

Did you identify, did you test for antibodies? Yeah, it's hypo. I'm not sure if it's Hashimoto's or not, but she said it was hypothyroid. So. Are you gonna be going going on on on some T3 medication and some DHA or she doing some other stuff first Yes, I just started taking

Lio thyroid need for my T3 and I'm taking a progesterone cream and a DHA as well now Okay, and did you test for antibodies just to make sure you don't have any any antibodies to your thyroid? Okay. And did you test for antibodies just to make sure you don't have any, any antibodies to your thyroid? Um, she, I'm not 100% sure. I would have to check with those results. Make sure you check and ask. I'm sure she did. If she's functional medicine, she probably did because if you have antibodies, then taking more thyroid, uh, isn't going to necessarily help. That's just going to your body. It's not going to necessarily utilize it. Are you going through one of our friends? Are you, did you find a different therapist yourself?

No, this was a local medicine doctor here. Yeah, so make sure that they tested for antibodies. I'm sure they did. It's one of the first things that they'll test when they look at thyroid. Now you said you recently have lost some weight. Is that because you added the thyroid medication and the progesterone? Is that what happened? What would change the last month? Yeah, so that has changed, and I really cut back more on my carbs and my fats. And I don't know if that was the right thing to do, because right now I'm around two, well,

my goal before was 2000 calories, and I've cut that down to about 1800 now. Okay, so you're at 1800 for the last month and you've seen some weight loss? Yeah. Okay, good. You're moving in the right direction. Yeah. You're doing all the right stuff.

So the only things I would check on would be I would have gut health tested. I would have if you haven't already, I would see and have them test you for antibodies. So if you have any autoimmune issue with your thyroid, and then as far as your training is concerned, you ask about high reps, high reps, low reps, really all of its muscle building. The reason why you switch from one to the other

is because your body got a custom novelty to training one way. So if you've been training a lower reps for a while, we'll say five or six weeks, I would go to higher reps just to get that new. Are you running one of our programs right now or no? Yeah, so I started the year with Annabaluk and I'm actually on the peak week for Power Lift. Oh, okay.

I was training for a, I was actually training for a competition Saturday. It's a local one. Yeah. And now I'm like, my way is so high. Like I just, I'm kind of embarrassed even. Oh, God. Have you ever done a powerlifting competition?

Yeah, yeah. I did win an April. That was one of the photos I submitted. It was from a competition in April. Oh, it's such a great environment. Don't, yeah, go do it. Go do it. Keep doing it.

And also keeping this in mind, Megan. And I was surprised salad to say, because he says this all time with someone like in a situation. One thing that we want to be thinking of right now is getting you healthy and balanced. It's far more important I know than the weight loss that you feel right now, which I know that could be hard, right?

You've been putting all this work in, you're finally starting to get things balanced out. And so you're like, I want to see the results now. And so you want to cut. But the truth is, what's going to get you to where you want to go is making sure you're 100% healthy and you're hormones of balance. And if you all of a sudden go into like a dramatic cut

or you're not giving our body enough healthy fats or we're missing protein intake because you're trying to cut or you're pushing the body or you're not sleeping well and you're really pushing hard, that's only gonna make getting the hormones all balanced out even more difficult for you. So that needs to be the priority right now. And so I love the fact that you're doing power lift, you're focused on strength, really

allow that to be the metric. Let the doctor do her job and balance your hormones out, continue to check on that. And that should be the goal right now is that you go back and visit her say in 30, 60 days and she's like, Hey, Megan, we're doing great. Your levels look awesome. And that means you're taking care of yourself and then it'll come. It's going to come. Did you just keep working on getting healthy as possible?

I mean, my wife went through this exact same process, found out she had Hashimoto's, but even the thyroid medication itself, it took like over a year to really fine tune, get the right dose, find know, find the right medication for that. And then once, you know, that was the right formula, it was like, boom, then all of a sudden this, this weight loss, you know, that had been, you know, looming forever, you know, start to happen. But, you know, it's everybody's individual with it, you know, you just focus on staying healthy and doing what you're doing. Did you, did you test for food sensitivities, sensitivities, Megan?

No, I've, that's something I've never done. I actually listened to you guys show a while back. Yeah. Yeah. I'll be helpful. So what's common, not always, but what's common with people who have thyroid type issues is a gluten sensitivity. Yeah. So gluten tends to, if it affects the body in a way that's not celiac, right?

If it can, and it tends to affect the thyroid. So you can either do a food sensitivity test or just on your own, replace your gluten-containing carbs with non-gluten-containing carbs and see how you feel within a few weeks. But anytime I had a client who had any kind of thyroid issue, I would always remove gluten. And I would say seven at a 10 times we'd have a positive response. So a pretty, pretty significant majority. Okay. She did recommend that I try intermittent fasting. Would that be something that you guys will recommend? Because I've heard mixed reviews on. Well, depends on what the reason is, if she's trying to give your gut health a break,

if she's trying to work on inflammation, in that sense, maybe for weight loss, no, no, it's a terrible idea. I think it just, it tends to encourage a restrict binge model of diet. It's interesting that you recommended fasting with thyroid issues though, because typically that can mess with hormones, but I don't know because I don't know all of, you know, what you're doing and I don't know what she's looking at when she's working with you. So, Megan, we have a free, uh, um, mind pump, holistic health.

It's a free Facebook forum. And it's literally, uh, ran by functional, uh, functional medicine practitioners. So they're in there and they're answering questions. So that's a great community To be in and you can just you can cross track and ask Yeah, yeah, hey, I'm doing more opinions exactly I think it would be a great place for you to to kind of hang out and share kind of what you're what your doctor is doing and what you're noticing and There's a really good community in there of people that are all going through similar stuff

So do you remember why she recommended fasting to you? I and there of people that are all going through some more stuff. So do you remember why she recommended fasting to you? I don't. She said she thought that window. It was like a, I was like a 12, 8 window. Does that sound typical? She said that she's seen people get good results with that. Okay. All right. So, so with that, I know I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to maybe anger some people. I would listen to a functional medicine practitioner

for things related to functional medicine. I would not follow a workout plan that a functional medicine practitioner gave me. No where they follow a weight loss plan that they gave me with diet. Now if they gave you a diet based off of health, that's where you're gonna get. And by the way, what Adam said earlier

about focusing on your health, if you become healthy and balanced, the weight loss will happen. If you just focus on the weight loss, you're gonna be sacrificing both. You're not gonna get either one if you do it that way. So really the best road forward, regardless, is gonna be to balance those things out.

So that's what I would be focused on 100%. Okay. All right. All right. Awesome. Thank you guys. You got, guys you got a real quick you're following power lift let's give her a program to follow after after power lift you want to follow the symmetry yeah this is symmetry afterwards how does that sound okay yeah that sounds awesome we'll send that to you yeah awesome thank you guys appreciate it yeah keep us posted good look

on your competition shake and ask yeah yeah, thank you. Thank you Strongest shit. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, uh 50 or dead. Yeah, so you know I don't know who this person is working with so I saw I don't I'm this is just you know they they're there's good People in every space and some that are not so great what you have to be careful with as a consumer Look, I'm a, my expertise is exercise and diet from a perspective of general health, fitness and performance, okay? If you came to me for functional medicine advice, I could give some good guidelines,

but I'm not gonna be as good as a functional medicine practitioner, right? Yeah. So, you know, you would want to go to that person for that, but you also say thing, don't go to a chiropractor a doctor a functional medicine practitioner, you know naturopath for a get lean diet or a Program to get stronger with your workouts because that's not the right. It's not only that, so but Just like there is great trainers and terrible trainers just like there's great doctors and terrible doctors The functional medicine doctors are no different. There's great ones and there's terrible ones.

So one of the things, if you listen to this show that you can trust is that if we talk about somebody's business or highlight or bring somebody on this show that we recommend, we've vetted them. So you can't go wrong if you're working with a Dr. Becky Campbell or Stephen Cabral, like these these are really really good doctors that we have had the opportunity to sit down for hours with and vet and understand how they coach and teach and with their so utilize and then we offer a free if you're not sure, you know, go in the forum and talk to the community and ask questions

and find out for yourself, this is the right match for you, but you can do that remotely. You don't have to be in person. A lot of these tests, they mail them in, they look at your blood work and results, and they're going to be able to, you don't need to have somebody you sit in an office with to do this anymore. You can absolutely do this virtually. And so my recommendation would be to utilize these sources that we've already vetted for you. Totally. Look, if you like Mind Pump, head over to MindPumpFree.com and check out all of our free fitness guides. They're free. Check them out. You can also find all of us on social

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