Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2239: How to Lift After Age 40, the Best Way to Train Young Athletes, the Pros & Cons of Training & Cannabis Use & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: December 30, 2023

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions from the Sunday @mindpumpmedia Quah post. Mind Pump Fit Tip: You can eat A LOT of protein at once or a little bit in small servings. It really DOESN’T make a difference, but there are things you want to consider. (1:59) New product alert from Organifi! Their FIRST EVER Kids product, Easy Greens!! (23:54) The challenges with getting kids to eat well. (26:05) New behaviors in the Mind Pump households. (30:26) The importance of hitting your protein targets. (33:20) When your kids hit your heartstrings. (39:34) Catching your parents in bed. (45:30) Sal showing off for the partners. (48:26) Is Adam warming up to the Cybertruck? (49:46) Favorite cars from childhood. (53:15) Shout out to Layne Norton! (1:03:14) #ListenerLive question #1 - Do you think there’s any benefit to working out under the influence of THC or any drugs that merely act on the mind? (1:04:36) #ListenerLive question #2 - I was thinking of sticking with Anabolic Advanced but occasionally swapping out some of the optional exercises to keep things fresh. What are your thoughts on this? (1:18:22) #ListenerLive question #3 - How much endurance cardio is going to be too much? How do I balance my love and OCR training and avoid injuries? (1:28:31) #ListenerLive question #4 – How would you implement MAPS Performance with young athletes (11-18)? (1:38:10) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout** Visit Joovv for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! December Promotion: MAPS Old Time Strength | MAPS OCR 50% off! ** Code DECEMBER50 at checkout ** The anabolic response to protein ingestion during recovery from exercise has no upper limit in magnitude and duration in vivo in humans The Myth of Optimal Protein Intake – Mind Pump Blog Twin research indicates that a vegan diet improves cardiovascular health Tesla Cybertruck spotted in matte black for first time - Electrek 1985 Toyota SR5 Pickup Signed By ‘Back To The Future’ Cast Comes With Its Own Hoverboard Visit Eight Sleep for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump Listeners! ** Save $150 on the Pod Cover. ** New take on runner’s high: Study explores how marijuana affects workouts MAPS 40+ MAPS Symmetry   MAPS Prime Pro Webinar MAPS 15 Minutes   Personal Trainer 3-Day Training – Starting Jan. 15, 2024 Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Layne Norton, Ph.D. (@biolayne) Instagram Max Lugavere (@maxlugavere) Instagram

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obstacle course racing OCRs also 50% off. If you're interested, go to maps fitness products.com and then use the code December 50 December 5 0 no space for that discount. All right, back to the show. If you eat more than 40 grams of protein at one sitting, you're wasting all that protein, just kidding, that's totally, totally false. In fact, we now have a study that shows that your body actually utilizes the amino acids from protein that you consume, even when it's a huge amount at one serving, in fact, the study used 100 grams of protein,

you utilize them for muscle. Your body doesn't just take the extra protein and oxidize it, or turn it into energy. In other words, you can eat for muscle. Your body doesn't just take the extra protein and oxidize it, or turn it into energy. In other words, you can eat a lot of protein at once, or you can eat a little bit of protein in small servings. It really doesn't make a difference. However, there are things you want to consider, and that's what we're about to talk about. First, you have to address where that myth came from, right? So for a long time, a lot of people used to say things like, oh, you can't assimilate more than 35 grams of protein

in a sitting. Therefore, if you had 60 or 70 grams, it was a waste of time. But that's not true, but there's some truth to that. Like, you can't, so your body doesn't necessarily use all of it towards building muscle. Your body still uses it and gets stored as energy. So, it's not like it doesn't exist. So you have to explain first where that myth originated from and why it originated and then

why this new study has such a break. We have to back up because nobody talked about this ever until bodybuilding started to influence fitness and people started to look to bodybuilders for how you should eat or train if you want to look a particular way. Now bodybuilders for a long time have been consuming multiple meals a day, more than the traditional two or three that the average personally. And bodybuilders did this by the way. Not for any of the reason other than And bodybuilders did this by the way, not for any of the reason other than it was hard for them to consume the amount of calories that they needed in just two or three meals. I mean, if you're a 240 pound bodybuilder and you're

eating 4,000 calories a day, I mean, yeah, you could eat three, you know, 11-hundred calorie meals or 1,200 calorie meals or whatever, but it was probably better, and it felt better to eat smaller meals throughout the day. So that's kind of where it started. Now, what happened over time is this turned into this myth that this would help you build more muscle, you have more amino acids, constantly floating through the blood. If you can, if you eat this way,

which means your body's gonna turn it more in a muscle. Supplement companies jumped all over this because making a protein supplement, a bar for example, trying to make a protein bar more than 35 grams of protein, you're gonna have a big brick, big heavy brick of a protein bar, so they just perpetuated this myth. And then muscle magazines jumped on top of it, all that stuff, and so then the myth was,

it was always around 35 to 45 grams, which, oh, incidentally, it's about the most amount of protein you can fit in a bar or a shake before it turns into something you don't want to necessarily consume. And so then that was the whole thing. And then you heard the whole like post workout and a ball of window.

And so the argument was this, Adam. And there was some data that actually suggested this, which is, if you consume more than a certain amount of protein at a sitting, that the excess protein, because your body will utilize so much, the excess gets oxidized or gets turned into energy, which then loosely became associated with like it's a waste of protein, which even then it was never said that way, even then because the study still showed you build muscle, the same and all that stuff,

and that didn't make a difference. But people took that round with it. Instead of you eating more than X amount of grounds of protein at one time, it's a total waste. Well, new study came out showing that the anabolic effect, or let's say that how protein gets oxidized, right? It essentially matches the amount of protein that you eat.

In other words, if it's 20 grams of protein, you get this, you know, this kind of like amino acids getting assimilated for anabolic purposes, and then it kind of dips down. Well, if it's 100 grams of protein, which this study actually used, and the way they did, by the way, it was a very complex study. I talked to Lane Norton, who's in our strong opinion, one of the foremost experts, especially on protein. This is like what he... Yes, hold these, it's not Lucy. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this guy's like, he's, you know, he's very honest guy, lots of integrity, and, you know, expert on a lot of things nutrition, but especially protein. And so he talked about the study and talked about how they tagged the protein. So it was easy to track through the body and he said, this is a very well-made study. So I trust his opinion. He said like, you know, in the study, a hundred grams of protein

means that that anabolic activity just extends longer. So it's like those amino acids are floating through the body and waiting to get used somewhere. Yes. Now, this also, by the way, supports the studies that show that when you have two equal calorie diets, but one is a high protein diet, let's say one gram of protein per pound of body weight. And the other one is a lower protein, let's say RDA recommendation, which is like, which is, you know, a third of that, right? Same calories calories though. You would expect them to experience the same fat loss, the muscle gain, but the studies

actually show that the high protein group builds more muscle and loses more body fat. So what the hell is going on here? Well, originally, the way it was explained was, well, the muscle building process is helping with the fat loss process. But what might actually be happening, because these are not super long, it's not like they're like five year studies, right? They're typically 16 weeks studies or so. What's probably happening is protein is less likely than fat and carbs to be turned into something you can store. It's as if protein, by the way, this completely backs up. That was scary. So your theory on that is the excess protein, so you eat this big 150 gram protein meal.

And yes, only a portion of that gets prioritized right away to building muscle. And then the rest of it's kind of floating around, waiting to get utilized. And it's more likely to wait around and get utilized for that training session that happens in, say, eight to 10 hours. Over a fair.

Wow. Then it is to get stored as a body felt. And this makes sense because high protein, same calorie diets tend to result in more fat loss. And they explained it away by saying the thermogenic effect of protein and the muscle building effect of protein. I mean, okay, here's what's so crazy about this,

out is how much is the lines with how we've been coaching people for so long. And one of the things that, obviously if you've listened to the show for a long time, you've heard us say, many times we will give this simple advice of, I don't want you to worry about anything else. Just hit that one-to-one, grabs a protein, and that's just from experience we've learned that, man, if a client just dials that in

and is consistent with getting that through whole foods, almost always. They see significant. The rest of the stuff kind of takes care of itself until you start getting to, you know, trying to get next level shredded or next level performance, then it takes some fine tuning.

But for the general population, for the general population who it's a perfect step. For the general population who's just trying to get fit, just trying to build some muscle, just trying to burn some body fat. Boy, is that the biggest rock? I mean, this is huge because, and again, it's a well-made study,

and it also, it supports evolutionary theory, okay? In nature, forget, like we don't have farms, we don't have agriculture, we don't have grocery stores, like we're just hunter-gatherers, okay? Do you know what's hard to come by? A lot of protein. Protein. Protein, and when you do,

and then when you do, it comes at 500 pounds at once. Yes, so your body is like, okay, we wanna use this protein for what it's most valuable for, which is repair and rebuild. Now that's not to say that your body can't turn excess protein into body fat if your calories are above what you burn, because it can do that. But it's less likely to turn excess calories from protein into fat than carbs or fats, which is wild.

This is what- Because I've always heard that it's like a slower process that convert it to energy. Yeah. Is that, yeah. Yeah. Turning protein into, you know, through gluconeogenesis is kind of a lengthy process. A lengthy. Yeah.

I wonder, do you need kind of length in terms of like how long they anticipate it's just kind of roaming free? Well, I would imagine Justin, and again, we're just thinking out, talking out loud here, is, or thinking out loud. It really depends on what demand will, well, the person to demand, you put on the body. That's right. So let's say you, you eat all this excess protein and you just chill. You don't do anything high demand and rest till you work out the next day.

Good chances are a lot of that protein is going to be hanging out. We don't work out at all. Yeah, it's gonna get prioritized to lift to that belt. Because in versus that same person goes for a hard run for an hour and a half. Well, then the body's gonna be like, we need something and I would imagine that it would prioritize it to... Well, in fact, in the study, that's what they did.

They actually had the people work out really hard and then they did the protein consumption. So it was post-workout. So it could be connected to that recovery process as well, where you eat a large bowl of protein while your body is trying to recover and adapt and build, then the length of time at which those amino acids get used for rebuilding is directly connected to the amount of protein that you just consumed. In other words, it just stays that way longer. Now, what's cool about this is, okay,

what have we always said on the show about people who, you know, should eat small amounts of protein throughout the day or one big serving or whatever? We always said it was splitting hairs probably, it makes no difference when it comes to building muscle. And that seems to be true. Now, here's the caveat. Before everybody gets excited and goes and decides to do some weird, you know, I'm going to eat all my protein at one time. Digestion. Digestion is the issue. In fact, the number one thing you should consider with your diet, you know, of course you want to make sure you have the adequate nutrients and macros and all that stuff, but what you need to consider is your digestion. That's the most important thing because if

I'm eating 200 grams of protein for me, which would be considered for me optimal for muscle building fat loss, strength, etc. You know, if I ate two 100 gram protein meals, I wouldn't feel very good. You know, that much protein in one meal, first off, I probably would be force feeding myself. It's produced as so much satiety. Once I got to 50, 60, 70 grand, they were like, oh, this is really rough. So the smaller frequent feedings, just the more protein you consume, it just tends to make sense.

You know what's interesting about that cell? There's a difference in what I'm eating, where that really matters. For example, I can eat a pound of meat. So can I? And I will actually be fine. I, so I can eat, what's that? 80 to 100 grams of protein in meat.

But if I take in 100 grams of cheese, any sort of dairy or a protein shake, or I'm on the toilet right afterwards. It feels like it goes right through me. And I don't, in fact, if I'm eating that much protein in one sitting, that is like easy, which is ironic, right? Easy digestible, fast digesting type of food. It feel like it goes in and out, right?

But if I had something like, say meat and rice or something like that, I can get away with that. My digestion is what you got always come to mind. So that it does matter and makes it, and obviously there's something going on there. And I have to assume that for ultimately building muscle, I'm getting more benefits from that one pound of steak than I would be a hundred grams of a protein. What do we always set on the show?

What do you need to consider most? What's sustainable? What fits your lifestyle? What makes you feel the best? Because the rest of it really doesn't matter. It really doesn't matter whether you eat the protein in 10 small servings or three. Or it's not gonna stick otherwise. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, it's not gonna last. You had a great talk with Lane today on our story about this study. And he's like, I don't really, and I think I we agree too. I don't really think that, I mean, this study is a landmark study, he said, this is incredible,

I'm you're excited about it too. But what most of us have kind of already figured out, it wouldn't change much of how we're eating. He said, except for two things that I thought were interesting. One, he goes, I would probably back out some of my hypothesis on fasting. So I thought that was interesting that he admitted that maybe he would be, you know, less negative, I guess, about it. And then the other thing, he

said was, I could see now some added benefits to having like a real large protein meal at night, right, before bed. Right. So I thought that was kind of interesting that, and maybe something that I would consider differently. I fastened it. If it affects your digestion poorly, though, then no.

Like I could not see Justin eating a massive protein meal an hour before bed, right? Because that tends to mess up your... Well, maybe if it's got cheese on it. It depends, yeah, yeah, I don't know. I think with meat, I'd be better off for sure, but yeah, definitely not like any heavy car bar, dairy based.

Listen, this just shows how valuable, especially animal protein, because that's the densest, most nutrient-dance in terms of protein, source of protein to find, high-quality amino acid profile, the whole deal. It just goes to show you how much value we are bodies through evolution have placed on protein. That's how valuable it is, that your body is like, hey, if we have to turn this into energy,

we will, but boy, we need this for repair and rebuild. Protein in the hunter gatherer world was gold. You know what it meant? It meant you took massive risks and you just hunted and risked your life and killed an extremely nutrient dense source of food and energy, which is an animal. So yeah, that's how we evolved and it prioritized it.

It makes me feel like too, that we most likely actually probably gorged a bit after that. That's the whole, that's why when people would say, no, you build more muscle if you eat the same amount of protein throughout the day. And I said, that makes sense evolutionarily. Why would that even, why would we have in a folder? That was, no, that's what I'm saying. You would eat even, why wouldn't you have in a folder?

No, that's what I'm saying. You would eat as much as you could if you could if you're, I see you kill an animal. It's like we're gonna eat it until we can, until we're full. And then some more. Then you would ration out the rest. That's how I feel. What are you gonna, how you gonna store it?

You know, what are we gonna do? This food's gonna go bad. Yeah. You know, they're not looking to waste. They're not looking at elk and going like, well that's, I'm gonna, you know, meal prep for the next. That's interesting to think about, like having a really big protein feast and then actually, well, that's, I'm gonna, you know, meal prep for the next. That's interesting to think about, like,

have a really big protein feast and then actually going on maybe a two, three day fast or something like that. Oh, wow. Well, even extended like that. That might be an interesting experience. That is interesting. That makes, that's cool.

So another study, I didn't get a chance to talk to him about this. But, and by, here's what I, you know, I really like Lane because he has a lot of integrity and he'll say, and he literally said in the talk. Twice, he by, here's what I, you know, I really like Lane because he has a lot of integrity, and he'll say, and he literally said in the talk, twice he said he'd back up. He said, I'm gonna back up some of my hypothesis, and this might have shown a few things that I,

potentially I thought might be true or not so true. He said something else that was interesting. He personally conducted a study with mice, where he compared frequent feedings of protein to less frequent feedings over the course of eight weeks to see if there was a difference. So everything was controlled, right?

Is there a difference in muscle mass gain? And the frequent feeding of the mice showed a slight increase in muscle. And that's where his hypothesis was fasting, even if all things being equal, will build less muscle. And he said to me, we're splitting hairs with that. He goes, because eight weeks with a mouse study, he goes a mouse is, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh percent better, if you feel better the other way and it's more sustainable, that's the right answer. Sure. But this study does show it doesn't matter. There's another study that came out that's been flying. It was a twin study. These are cool studies because twin studies are difficult to come by. I think I saw this. And yeah, what's cool about them is in a large part, you control the subjects,

right? You get the same, although epigenetics is kind of shown that that's not the ideal controls. Yeah, it's the one where they do want to vegan and then want, yeah, okay, just. So they had one group of twins, so they had, I don't remember how many sets of twins, but it was like 20, something sets. One twin omnivore diet, one twin vegan diet, and here's what they found.

The vegan diet twin had improved blood markers. Okay, so better LDL and there was a couple other blood markers that were improved. And so everybody was like, yeah, here's the evidence that the vegan diet was better. Well, Lane went in, broke it down and said, okay, the vegan diet was 200 calories lower than the omnivore diet. Now a lower calorie diet is going to improve blood markers more than a higher calorie diet. Okay. The second factor was the vegan diet, people ate much less saturated fat, more polyunsaturated fat, which we know will affect your LDL. So, lanes like expected, these results are expected. If they were fatty acid profiles were similar,

if the calories were similar, you wouldn't see this, whatever. Also, what they don't include in the media or headline reports is they asked the twins that did the vegan diet, did you enjoy this diet, and this is a diet that you wanna continue? And they all said no. Oh, what?

Yeah, so like it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, the sucks out like the way I feel or whatever. I'm not gonna do it, you know, which, you know, that's important. Like, that's super important. You got to pay attention to life. Yeah, like, I don't care. I can give you the most effective anything, but if you hate it and you won't do it,

it doesn't matter. I really feel like Lane's value to our community in the next decade is going to be more important than it's ever been, because I think of the effort towards pushing the agenda of fake meat and not eating or not eating meat is going to go so hard in that direction that we're going to continue to see studies like this that are presented in a way that can easily be manipulated or misunderstood on that this is a better way of eating. So having someone, what he's doing right now, I mean, I've always thought it's helpful for people

that are trying to figure what's true, what's not, but boys he gonna be poor. Are you guys familiar, you just reminding me, I probably brought this up a long time ago, haven't talked about it for a while though. Are you guys familiar with Dr. Weston A. Price? Yeah, okay. Tooth guy.

Yeah, that's right. So dentist, right? So have you seen, so what Dr. Weston Price did is he traveled all around the world and he examined people's teeth and he had theories on whether or not diet would affect structure and health of teeth.

And so he want to look at how people are eating, how are their teeth, how's the teeth alignment, are they strong, are they cavities, etc. And he kept finding in these, you know, carnivore-based, rural areas. These groups of people that ate like hunter-gatherers, so they didn't have access to dental care, toothbrushes, toothpaste, you know, floss, braces. They all had very straight healthy teeth. Like no crooked teeth, no need for braces, no need like so all the teeth looked perfect. Everybody's wisdom teeth fit. I was going to say yeah. And nobody had cavities. And so he started looking at the diets and he so the Weston Weston price when the first people to advocate for consumption of raw milk and meat and organ meats and that kind of stuff.

Now that you hear all these, like, and of course, he got dismissed because he's a dentist and he's not a nutritionist or a doctor, right? I mean, what he said is, but now what, a lot of what he said has been proven totally true. I know, but that's part of the reason why it's not as widely accepted as it should be, is because it's like that people are quick to,

oh, that's not, he's not an attrition. How could he tell us about it? Yeah, no. You ever read the reports of the old world explorers when they came to the new world, right? So you got people from Europe, they had agriculture, they were growing, and they were surviving off a lot of grain and stuff like that.

When they came to the quote-unquote new world, the reports on the natives, like their tall, they all have straight white teeth, they all, because they were still eating that hunter gatherer diet. Oh, exactly. Yeah, Europeans, although they had superior technology, and of course they brought crazy viruses and stuff with them. They were all shorter and had really messed up. Even just working through the meat and bone and tissue

and everything. It's just that amount of exercise that you're John, your masters and all these muscles and your face. It makes room for those wisdom teeth to come in nicely. We don't have enough room because of our diet. This blew me away. So, you know, with my kids, right?

I have two older kids, two younger kids, and my daughter, she had to wear braces, and she still has them on, right? And this is, and by this point, I've already kind of understood like what's happening, and I'm learning more about how your diet affects how your mouth grows and shapes, and your teeth space and you know braces and are your teeth crooked well it's probably related to diet. A lot of imagine apnea is pearly. Oh yeah. So so obviously

your mouth, your palate is moldable and anybody who doesn't who denies this that's what braces are. is moldable and anybody who denies this, that's what braces are. You know, when a kid wears braces, oftentimes they'll even have to add like things that stretch out the jaw to make room. Bands that change your bite. Yes, so if you're a little kid and you're eating like, you're not like chewing on hard things and meat and stuff like that, your teeth will form and shape to the way you're eating. And oftentimes these misaligned teeth and stuff like

is due and result of that. It's not widely accepted by modern medicine, but there's a lot of crazy data. You know, speaking of kids, did you see organifies new products? Oh, I did. Pretty cool, huh? I did.

I'm actually really, I'm really. We have a bag somewhere in here. Have you tried it yet? Yeah, I tried to get my kids. So it's even tried it yet, but. It's easy greens. Okay, so it sounds like it's like apple juice. So explain to me what is,

do you know it's different between the regular greens because we would always just kind of give Max some of ours and who should I not have been doing that? Like, yeah. Yeah, I think it's. Well, this doesn't have ashwaganda. So ashwaganda is an adaptogen, not sure about whether or not it's a good idea to consistently give a kid ashwaganda. So Ashwaganda is an adaptogen, not sure about whether or not it's a good idea to consistently give a kid.

Ashwaganda. So I can't comment on that. But because Ashwaganda is an adaptogenic and has some real effects, I would assume it's probably unless it's like recommended by a... So my guess is that it's a lower, like, I don't want to say water down, like this, make it sound like it's like recommended by a guest. So my guess is that it's a lower, like, I don't wanna say water down, like this make it sound like it's less. It's more appropriate, right, for children. And it doesn't have herbs in it that are adapted genic.

It's literally already the ingredients. And it probably, I'm assuming, taste better to get the kids to probably like it. There's a prebiotic powder made from Acacia, which helps feed healthy bacteria. Coconut powder, which is for the electrolytes. Lemon powder, carrot powder, then there's spinach, maringa, clorella, red beet, broccoli.

And then they put in digestive enzymes, and there's also a little bit of basilis, which is a probiotic. So I'm super excited. So it's like a good gut health. I'm super excited. So it's like a good gut health. I'm super excited to introduce this to Max and see, because I mean, that's always a challenge, right?

So he's a great eater. He's a, he'll, he'll eat most everything on his plate. If there's anything that I'm challenged with getting him to eat more consistently, it's vegetables. So if I can introduce a green string like this that he'll like, which he, he drank the, the adult version. And if they made this taste green drink like this that he'll like which he drank the the adult version and they made this taste. Yeah well I think this is supposed to be even tastier. Yeah I don't know what it was Doug or Jerry who was saying it to me says it's

supposed to be like apple juice. Yeah I heard. Wow. So I'm sure it's going to if it tastes really good like that. I'm sure Max is going to like it. So I can't wait to see his response to it, but smart, dude. I'm so in. Feeding kids like a really healthy balance diet. So hard. I know. It's hard because kids just don't eat,

but they don't want to eat. So it's like, I don't know. You know what I think, I mean, I don't know. It's so hard because I can only speak experience from one kid, right? So I mean, I just got lucky in a lot of ways. But I think a lot of times that the biggest challenge is actually the parents is ourselves.

Yeah. Because it's hard to, if your kid doesn't want to eat to be like, okay, well, then you're not eating. I mean, you sound, that sounds so cruel. It sounds so bad. Like you feel it, I think a lot of times this parents, I think we feel like we need to conform to. Yeah, accommodate them.

When it's like, this is what we have to eat. If you're hungry, this is what we eat. And we're hungry. Yeah, exactly. Eventually, they will get hungry enough that, you know, that food will taste good. And you know this from experience as an adult. How many times have you ever been really, really hungry?

And then someone gives you something that would be normally bland and boring. And then you're like, oh my God, this tastes so good. It's because you were hungry. The other challenge is to help them because this was later, I kind of started learning this. I remember who was that I was learning listening to and they said, one of the biggest hurdles and Jessica really introduced this to me and she's like, this is something we need to consider that one of the biggest, most important things you teach your kids in the modern world is what's healthy, what's not healthy,

but also having a good relationship with food because we live in a world where everything's so accessible and tasty at some point. And I know that, look, I have family members who grew up and I have an uncle who was very strict with his kids, very strict. As soon as those kids came out of the house, it was like... It was a gang bus.

Yeah, you know? So it's like, you have to juggle so many different things and then the knowledge of it, a lot of people don't even know what's healthy necessarily for them versus their kids. I mean, I felt like the way I always, I know my family gave me a lot of shit early on. I think they now, obviously, they see it because they see how well it worked. When he was at an age when he couldn't communicate, he didn't know the difference of who, he only knew what I gave him. I was ridiculously strict. It wasn't until he got to an age when he started to recognize what is good.

He didn't even ask. That's right. And I think where a lot of people mess up is I think we all think it's so cool and neat to see the look on a kid's face when they lick ice cream. Yeah. And we all think it's so funny, but then you've now open Pandora's, I mean, you've now opened that door and now they're going to seek it where for the long, I remember the first couple of Halloween Max played with this candy because he thought they were toys He didn't know his candy because he didn't know any better now. He has a relationship with it where we can like Katrina the other night

She just baked cookies and I I he didn't even ask for it Is it man you want to you won't have a cookie with dad and I bite half of it then he takes a bite of it And then I eat the rest of it and it's like that was it. There's no It's no it's hard. You know And it's like, that was it. There's no, ah! It's, you know it's hard, you know it's really hard. I'm serious. You know what? Like what a, like here's a good point,

like start, start it right out the gates because then it gets real hard to change directions. That's I think we're a lot of parents struggle. Yes. Oh my kid's seven now, how do I change? Okay, that's where, oh now you're gonna have it. I was interviewed on a podcast where we talked about this and that was my advice to parents that are starting with their kid

Is the kind of emulate some more to what I think we did I said it's a whole another ball game When you've already opened that now that that's where I have a lot of empathy good boy is that hard because they're children And they they they're still trying to understand their own emotions and where's the chips? We always yeah, and then and then now and then you've trained them for seven years of their life that this is normal behavior. And now listen, you've decided no. Like they're just not, they're not programmed yet to handle that very well.

And so yeah, that's gonna be a challenge. That's why I think it's so crucial that in those early years that you as the parent discipline yourself to not give into that temptation to want to see the look on their face when they lick ice cream at one, you know, or have really like don't don't do that. See, I do that, but with other foods like like lemon,

you ever give a little kid lemon. Yeah. I'm watching the look on the face. So great. No, it's not. It's not hot pepper, you know, yeah, I do that to my daughter. They're all like excited. They're like, oh, yeah. So I got a, I got a new behavior. I do that to my daughter. They're all like excited. They're like, oh yeah.

So I got a new behavior. I'm trying to cry. Lil just happened last night. What happened for me for the first time last night? Obviously it happened before. Cause Katrina told me it was going on. And I don't know what she wanted. He wanted to do something and Katrina's no, no, we have to do this first.

Or we have to dinner first. And he took off. And and I hear the door close and the back, like our guest room downstairs over there where his toys are all I know, that's all that. And I said, we're in Mexico, she goes, oh, this is what he does now. And I'm like, what do you mean?

If he doesn't get his way, he'll go and he'll pretend to pat and cry. And I said, what? I said, no, no, I'm not. So I got up, walked over the door, first of all, the door was locked. I was like, oh, he locked the door. Yeah, I didn't even go to the left door.

I said, maximize. And luckily it's like one of those easy ones to pick, right? So I picked it, I go in there. He's not only is he in that room, and then we have a toy closet where all his toys are. He's inside the toy closet, and I open the door, and he's laying face down pertain to pal like that. Max Maximus, get up. Come here. Come here. And he walks over to me and he's

like not making eye. I said, look at daddy in the eyes. Look at me. Look at me. And he's like, no, you know, do it. I said, this, that we don, we don't act this way when you don't get your way. You're not gonna come over here and cry and pow, because mommy told you you need to do, I don't remember what it was. First, you have to listen to your mom, and this is not gonna get your way. In fact, if you do this, you're gonna get less of whatever it was

you wanted to do, I don't remember. And I said, I'm not crying, I'm just resting. You're like, it tells me he's just resting. Yes, yes you are. Get out here, come on, let's go do it to your mom, set it right. But no, he was fine. He was even crying.

He was pretending to pal. But what I've, so here's what I'm learning about my son, right? So I've got this amazing child that I've talked about on just an absolute sweetheart. He doesn't throw tantrums. He doesn't love bug.. He's a love bug Hey, he's a love bug, but guess what? What's the drawback of that? So he's he's learned To use that right is learn to play the hearts because he's such a sweet boy

He's so hard to get upset at because he's so good So he's now when he doesn't get his way his way of leaning into that He doesn't throw tantrum. He doesn't throw things. he doesn't get passed into that when he does is you get sad, you know And like you broke his heart, you know, it's a deal and so it's like no no no no no so you don't get to do that So as the first time I ever seen that that was last last night that happened for the first time Yeah, it's his new move right now the manipulation. Oh totally. It was definitely another dad's like not having that Really this has been telling me lately. I want to be I just I want to be just like papa when I grow up Compilation, oh totally it was definitely another death like not having that Relius has been telling me lately. I want to be I just I want to be just like Papa when I grow up

My heart, you know, you're not from your kid. You know, I want to be just like you I want and then he goes I want to be stronger than you. I'm like what oh, yeah, oh Now's a bulk is he really oh, yeah, well, he's realizing too, he's gonna be going into high school. And he's like, man, like, and he's going through a bit of a gross spurt, but he's still kind of lean. And I mean, he's athletic and been doing his gymnastic thing, but like, I'm like, yeah, he's really asking me every day,

like, how can I get more protein? How can it, like, some good ways of doing that? How can I, you know, eat more? Like, this is hard, dad. I know, like, it's, it's, it's, really, it's work. Does he start out with a big breakfast? Yeah. So, yeah, and Courtney's like, on board,

and really trying to help both kids. And of course, Everett's like, you know, the little shadow that just wants to like, oh, is he doing that? I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna do that. Hey, how much milk do you guys go through

by the way in your house? Oh, you guys, how old? I was gonna say, gallons. I'm gonna do that. Hey, how much milk do you guys go through by the way in your house? You guys all, other than say, gallots. Yeah, yeah. Everybody, everybody, well, me not so much anymore, but I mean, I was on that train, but yeah, both boys drink a lot. And yeah, it's at that point now where, because Courtney's like doing the math and even herself realize how under protein she was in terms of like

just all over the years, she was like, I'm really trying to seek like one gram per body weight like, and she, that was like just baffling for her. And I'm like, trying to like, yeah, well, it's really not easy. And if you like start like doing the math and like look at what you're actually consuming, I guarantee you're not even hitting half that.

Yup, dude. Clients used to be like, do you eat a lot of protein? Oh yeah, I had protein. I don't know. Good amount of protein for. What would you have? I had a hard boiled egg. And something like that.

Six grams. Yeah, I had an egg sandwich for breakfast. I had a turkey sandwich for lunch. And then I had chicken for dinner. I had a piece of bacon. Oh, you had a total of 45 grams of protein today. You're barely living. You know, so, no, you know, it was interesting to watch

that it was such a cool thing to, I mean, I still remember like yesterday when that transition happened for Katrina because it was midway through our relationship where I would be together for 13 years. And it was about year six when the first time I ever got, so we would gather over six years before I got ahold of her diet or training or anything.

And the only way I know I won her over was because she got to watch the, me transitioning competing and she was so blown away by how fast I could manipulate my body and she's just like, now what's, what do you do? So yeah, that's what I'm not doing, maybe I, no, I'm not gonna do that. There's no way.

You might go on stage. But yeah, this is the first time I got here to buy in a bit on the nutrition side. The training took a long time. It took her from cardio kickboxing. So now doing maps and sticking with strength training exclusively, done wonders for a body. But yeah, it's the protein that's just like, what?

Yeah, yeah. That's it, it's trained. Katrina, once I got the shift and showed her, it blew her mind so much that I love to see it. She's right now. She's getting back on, you know, she's coming off being sick and so she's getting back into the consistent lifting again. And I love to see it because she knows that's like, box one to check is, gotta get my protein up.

She knows that like, you've gotta do that and then it's in the lifting. And then they and they have to correspond with each other, right? I think that's another thing that we make this mistake is you get going home about the workout and you train really hard and you're missing protein. It's like, man, you're just spinning your wheels at that point. It's like you're sitting in the signal to build muscle and you're not giving it any building block. Yeah, you're not giving any building blocks.

So it's like, and I've tried to explain that to her. I'm like, you know, that's the thing that I've learned over all these years is to learn to work with what I'm also feeding my body. Like, man, if you see me getting after it, you know that means I've been stringing consistency around the nutrition. If you see me training like really hard in the gym,

you know that, oh, Adam's on his diet. Like I've been, otherwise I'm like, that's so silly. To push the body that hard and then to be way under consuming, it's so dumb. Cause you're going to be super sore. You're going to be sore than you are. I mean, you're not going to build all the muscle you would want to build for. Even your performance is limited. Yes.

To be clear, if you train appropriately and you're not eating below what you need for protein, you're going to get stronger, you're going to build muscle, but you could literally add 50% of speed and results to that by simply consuming more protein. Yeah, but you could literally add 50% of speed and results to that by simply consuming more protein. Yeah, but everybody will adapt. But nobody does what you just said, though. Nobody trains appropriately and nobody eats appropriately. Everybody over trains and under eats protein.

Right. So it's a double whammy. So it's a double whammy. It's like you'd be better off at least fixing one of those two problems. Either if you're going to over train, at least do the protein, right? And if you're not gonna, if you're gonna under train, then at least hit that, you know,

so pick one and solve it, but most people mess like, I think, Wamy, did I come from that game show, Doug? Wasn't that a game show that we were doing? Wamy, I'm not sure. It's also from Anchorman. Anchorman.

Oh, look at the origin of Wamy. There was a game show. There is a game show called, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like they hit a button and then let's Little red like devil guys will come out. In fact, he might anchor man. He's still from that might have got it from that. Like it might be where it came from. Yeah, what's the origin of that, though? The first example of whammy and print and curl occurred in 1940. Yeah, popular rise by the cartoonist Al Cap in the comics stripped little abner. So I don't know. And that's the game. Wami. Oh, press your luck. That's what I watched when I would be home six from. And for sure, because because anchor man's supposed to take place

in like the 60s, right? 70s? Yeah, 60s or 70s. So obviously he's, you know, he has paid homage to that, I imagine. Yeah, right now Jessica's on fire with her training, like on fire. And I remember this with the Relius II, it's like right around the year mark post-partum, like everything starts to like, yeah, because you can get a breather fire.

Yeah, I do exactly. There's that, the body regulates or whatever. So she's like, it's crazy to watch her just, because she's been working out the whole time and just making little progress here and there. And all of a sudden it's like, it's crazy to watch her just, because she's been working out the whole time and just making little progress here and there. And all of a sudden it's like big jumps in progress each time she's working out. So this will be, this will be fun.

Yeah, I mean, she's got those great muscle building genetics, right? Oh God. She's got the ones that like, when I first started dating her, you know, she used to train on the silks. This is like, she learned this by traveling with the circus. She would climb the silks with just her arms and her legs out, just like a little monkey

just climbing up super fast like holy cow. That's ridiculous. That's where my little ones got the doll. Yesterday I took her to a doctor's appointment and right now she's going through, right around the year mark, I think, I experienced this with the Relius too. They start to get that, like that separation anxiety or stranger danger, you know, whatever.

And so she didn't want, she doesn't want anybody touching her if she doesn't know them. Right. And so we go to the office, she's already associating the office with whatever. So she's already anxious, she's cleaning it onto me. So the whole time I have to have her on me while the practitioners do and stuff with her. And she's just, she's not doing anything that's hurting her, but she's like crying and I cannot not get affected by that.

Like while I'm doing, she's not actually got a shot or anything, right? Like, oh yeah. But you just feel her energy. Because she's looking at me, oh, you know what, I know she's thinking like, are you gonna save me, Dad? And I'm like, no.

I told you that time we went to the ER and they couldn't get an IV started on Everett and then Courtney, we were just sitting there just dying inside. I bet Courtney was totally dead. Oh, she was dying. Let me do it. She did.

So she stepped in and did it. First try. And got it. On your own kid. Yeah. And I was like, thank you. I was like, thank you for doing that because I was literally dying.

I was like, I can't do this. Don't you get the feeling, cause you know that the nurse and the doctor, like they don't mean any harm, right? No, you know what I mean. But because your kid's crying and they're still doing something to your kid and it's not working,

I start to feel anger towards the, you know what I mean? Well, you can't help it. You better get to see it. That's the natural feeling. It's like, you have, because you're allowing somebody else to make the kid feel that way and that your job

is to protect you. And you're it. So it feels like you're not. Yeah, dude. Yeah. So I'm gonna beat you up. No, we're trying. I'm so I'm really lucky that Katrina really handled

a lot of the the the doctor appointments and also the taking max to school because those two things like I'm definitely like much of a hard ass as I am. I'm soft as I do those two. Those two those two things, like I'm definitely like as much of a hard ass as I am, I'm soft as I am to those two. Those two areas. Hard shell, but that's so shit. Yeah, like, I mean, look at, I'm like, son, pounding less, I'm a hard ass.

Come here, look at me in the eyes. We don't do that. You know, I can be that guy. But then, but then yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's cool. Daddy, I don't want to go to school. You know, like, all right, we go home. What you do either, dude, oh.

It's weird though. He's like, it's weird how there's certain things like that go to school, you know, all right, we go. What you do either? No, we're done. You get a day off. It's weird how there's certain things like that where, you know, that'll hit my hard strings just right. And I am a total softie by it. Oh, you just wait. Well, with my daughters, it's even worse. Like my 14, I can't believe it.

You know, if she says some boy said something to her and her feelings, I got picked her up one day. You just get informed. I picked her up one day. You just got to get formed. I picked her up one day. How do you know what I just showed to school? You're shirt off like the next ages. Where's Tivy yet? I, listen, you know what thought goes from my head is,

obviously I can't go and frighten and bully a 13 year old, a 14 year old kid, right? So my thought is, I'm gonna find his dad. You know what I mean? I'm gonna find his dad and then he, he like, I'm gonna find his dad and then he'll tell him, hey, this guy came in terrifying. Speaking of shirts off, by the way, how do I get elected?

Hold on, I have a question for you, right? Okay, so let's just do a hypothetical here. Like your daughter brings a guy home, boyfriend, potentially, his name's Taco. What's your feelings about that? Oh my God. What? What? I have to know, my son told me. Is that his real name? Potentially right his name's taco. What's your feelings? I have to know my son That's real name. Yeah, there's this kid that's like in school with him his name's taco. That's a real name

Yeah, or is that a nickname? So white kid blonde hair. His name's taco really? Yeah, wait, so his parents love Yeah, I was like it's let's it's like the whole apple thing for me. It's like, remember celebrities lost their mind? Dude, they still like, the celebrities always need their kids. Some weird, yeah, weird ass thing. But that was a new one for me. I was just like, yeah, I love tacos too. You know what that makes me think immediately?

That makes me think immediately. They love tacos. Well, no, more so I think. It's almost like, you know, like they ate tacos then they had sex and then the baby. That's all right. It was like, I think there's like a husband and wife and they're talking and like, you know, like the eight tacos, then they had six and then the big. I think there's like a husband and wife and they're talking like, you know, the thrown around names like, you know what? Like, you love tacos.

I love tacos. I mean, they're probably our sister Chalupa. Yeah. What are we doing here? Taco. That's an interesting thing. And I think, and it's my sister Reno. Super famous and rich people can get away with it because they know their kids not gonna,

they know their kid, by default, because the rich kid in school is not gonna get bullied. Like the rest of the kids are. So that's the only reason why they can get away of that bullshit. Every normal fucking person doesn't name their kid that because they don't want their kid to get you. I didn't believe them, I was exactly,

because I'm like, you gotta be like somebody to do something outrageous like that, right? The craziest name that I ever saw. He's bought hair blue. I do That's why I thought for a second. Maybe it was spelled differently. It's an ethnic name or something like that But maybe they're like paps blue ribbon drinkers. They're super ironic Like hipsters. Yeah, maybe they are maybe they are wealthy Adam. Maybe it's your theory Maybe they are wealthy and they're like how are we gonna raise this kid with hardship some humility? Yeah

and they're like, how are we gonna raise this kid with hardship? Some humility. How are we gonna get some? I don't know, we're gonna get some stupid. You're gonna get out of everything, so we may as well fuck this name up. He's gotta have some kind of averse name in the head road. I knew a kid, I knew a kid who was, was his parent, their parents, it's a girl.

Her parents conceived them in Vegas after they won a bunch of money. So the name of the girl was Guess a Money. No, Sward of God. Guess a Money. Guess a Money. Guess a Money. So it's like G-E-S-O-M.

So it looks like Gassimini. Yes, but the name is Lulimani. Guess a Money. And that's the story. My parents went to Vegas, one a bunch of money to see me. That's so funny. I'm gonna get a message now. I just, you know, what am I figuring? You can hear it, because they know who they are bunch of money. I see. That's so funny. No, I'm going to get a message.

I just, you know, what are my parents? Because they know who they are. I know. Exactly. What are my favorite Christmas food is for Christmas. And that's the one where all the brothers are named after where they were conceived. Denver. Yeah.

Yeah, does you remember that? So awkward. You know where your parents had sex. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Every kid, every kid. Yeah, that's what was happening. Yeah, like I kind of knew, but I didn't know until later on, but like it was like, you know, I was like, I'm not sure if I was going to be able to do it. I was like, I'm not sure if I was going to be able to do it. I was like, I'm not sure if I was going to be able to do it.

I was like, I'm not sure if I was going to be able to do it. I was like, I'm not sure if I was going to be able to do it. I was like, I'm not sure if I was going to be able to do it. I was like, I'm not sure if I was going to be able to do it. I was like, I'm not sure if I was going to be able to do it. I was like, I'm not sure if I was going to be able to do it. I was like, I'm not sure if I was going to be able to do it. I was like, I'm not sure if I was going to be able to do it. I was like, I'm not sure if I was going to be able to do it. I was like, I'm not sure if I was going to be able to do it. I was like, I'm not sure if I was going to be able to do it. I was like, I'm not sure if I was going to be able what was happening. Yeah, like I kind of knew but I didn't know until later on but like it was it's one of those things

Where I mean my dad built this house you could hear like the walls were just too thin For one and they're upstairs and they would always go to bed early when they did it You know me my brother kind of caught on to this and locked the door. Don't try to open the door like my down the, really like adamant. I'm like, okay, whoa guy, you know, we're just gonna be downstairs watching a TV. You know, and what's up? I just went up because I think I forgot something. I just opened the door.

No, you did. Oh, no. Oh, no. Just not far in, but I heard you think I mean, bro, I from fourth grade to to seventh grade, I lived in a converted double wide trailer to a home, right? So all it was like a double wide trailer that had a living room built on some of breathing.

Yeah, bro. So yeah, it was terrible, dude. Did not torture. Yeah, bro. So yeah, it was dead fucking terrible dude. Didn't I torture I told you guys that When we threw that a van up in Not trucky. Yeah, it was it was up near trucky where we up in in Tahoe and Courtney was up there. She was telling the story and That was with the Katrina's mom and everybody Yeah, and they were all kind of together and then and then he just started kind of describing like yeah, but sometimes Do you start about like the night that let or the night night he get woken up and like he'd be scared

Because you hear Monster noise is something like explain the noise. Yeah, he was describing Courtney. Courtney, I'll never forget that, because Katrina told me how embarrassing it was for Courtney. She said Courtney's undidder in her face is turning red because she's like describing. Yeah, there's this scary moaning noise. He's so describing it in detail. That's just weird. And he's so young, you know, it's innocent.

So he doesn't know, he has no idea what's going on. Everybody's kind of laughing. It's so, you know, people are encouraging. Like, so he's, oh yeah, this story's going great. You know, so he just like leans into it. And he's like, yeah, it was really like loud. No. Oh.

Oh my God, he's gonna remember that. I never heard my parents, but I would wake up because I would hear them take a shower in the middle of night. And I didn't know what that was. I would remember thinking, like, why are they taking a shower right now? That's really weird. At least, like, that's a day. No, when I got older, I was like, oh, fuck. I was like, that's a take away. Someone just stays at my house and I'm like upstairs and I'm just like, it's two in the morning. I'm getting up to shower and we're running the water.

So I'm like, everybody in the house has to know right now. You might as well max it. Yeah, send the text. It's my house that I'm gonna shit. Yeah, no, no, no, no. Anyway, speaking of shirts off, how did I get nominated? So explain this meeting I didn't attend, where you guys got to vote me as the guy.

Katrina came in and obviously she manages all the partners and it's the end of the year right now. So all the partners talk about the things that they want from us. We sent you. We sent you the most selfies shirt. And we agree to some things. Some things we don't agree to.

Katrina, many times negotiating deals, we'll agree to some stuff that maybe we're not excited about. And she announced that Juve wants all these half-naked photos of us in front of the red light. And you were the one who didn't make the meeting. So we volunteered you and your Harry nipples. Did you guys all vote on it? Yes, that would happen. Yes, it was a nice, rich blow. We volunteered you and your Harry nipples. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha You look the sexiest right now, so you have to represent you sold me

You just had to tell me I'll sexy I was the whole reason why that's all I wanted to hear that that's exactly so weird Why didn't you searching for compliments? I don't like fishy right there fishy Why me of all of us anybody could have done ever just to say it looks like a trophy that one time I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you.

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I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I would do. That's some shit you would do, bro. We're all up in the math black. Motherfucker. I can't wait. Yeah, we need to copy. Why would you do you see one? Or you just want to do that?

I've just been seeing that. They're starting to pop up, right? Not in person. I'm seeing one in person. Yeah, I wonder what it would. Except that's really. I really do not like the silver refrigerator one. It looks like the and it gets all smudgy looking.

It does. I don't think it looks good at all. I don't like. I've never liked when people do those wraps that are chrome looking too. I'm just not into that look of a car at all. And it's already a weird looking car. But Matt Black, I mean, they tried it with the Delorean, right?

And then that was like the only one I remember that, like, you know, like took off. Is that the only other car that was stainless steel? That I can, no, I'm sure there was other ones, but I I just that's the definitive one. Yeah, I'm excited to do it I mean it the matte black model especially when I look at the other thing I don't like are the dorky rims that it comes with you put some cool tires and rims on that and the matte black look and oh you do Yeah, I think it matches the car. Oh, yeah, I know Yeah, because it looks dorky. I you know, I think it matches the car. Oh yeah, I know. Yeah, because it looks dorky. I think that it looks a little military.

If you put some beefier tires and some good rims on that thing in all matte black, it looks pretty. It looks like something that you would be driving in the robot wars. Yeah, it does. It looks like if it could like fold up its wheels and then all of a sudden fly to space, that's what I'm in.

Those wheels got to go. Did you guys see, have you seen the interior? Not really. I see pictures that pulled the interior. It's very, oh, see the camo version. No, those are, I think that they, the CGI things or whatever they do.

No, I think they do those so that when people take pictures of it, like a before release, so they don't get the full, it's hard to get an idea what they really look like. Don't cars do that when they try to they try to like the coverum and weird so that when orders try and take pictures of them. The new Mustang is out but it's hard to kind of make out what I didn't know that. Yeah. Look up the interior dog. It's very clean and there's it's not busy whatsoever. I figured, I figured it would like I figured it would look like the tech all the other Teslas Yeah, look at that like if you open that up look at the it's like a

No, no, it's so it's gonna be really interesting to get used to if I you know to drive something like I mean What it looks roomy, which is cool very? I don't you know? I don't know I like I like like it doesn't have a traditional steering wheel. It doesn't look pretty cool because like there's there's a lot of those AI rendered creations of like let's say like the escalator. You know, all these like like Chevy trucks and things, but they don't put them into production. It's so it's like you know This is out and even like Ford has a Raptor and like there's other like the TRX for the Ram and it's like I keep waiting for like GM to make some moves here I mean, I saw that I saw what you're talking about but that would be a that truck looks sick. It looks so sick. I would love for the design guys

So this is I mean, it's I get it like I get the futurism and all that with this. It's just it's hard because it's so. It's so different than anything in it's I think it'll take a long time for Billious used to. I hate that's what I'm saying. Well, I'm serious. In the map in the map block, I was looking at him. Like, okay, is there is there a part of our childhood that you guys really, really liked? Not like a older or you know, because obviously from the years that we grew up, is there a car that you were like, oh, I really wanted to. I was in love with the Acura Integra.

You know, I liked it too. I loved that car. I was a fan, but you actually got one. Yeah, I did. They got rid of that model. That never came back. You had the Type R? No, I didn't have, but I did my LS up

to be faster than a Type R, so I had it all the motor all the time. So you mean like cars, like, were that same time that we were growing up. Yeah. So the Toyota trucking back the future. Oh, yeah, I did. Yeah. I was like, oh, it's sick. You know how much does go for it? Now those are those are expensive. Really? Oh, yeah, yeah. Look at it. It wasn't looking back to the future. Toyota 400 for sale. So we're gonna actually if you literally just the pick you that it'll come up.

It's that's all the lines. That's all enough. That's a, that's like, yeah, yeah, that's like it early 90s. That's before we drove. Yeah. I thought that was new. They're showcasing it in the movie. Well, I mean, what year is the first back to the future, bro? Well, that's what I'm seeing. I was a kid watching that movie. Yeah. I'm thinking like, that's new. Okay. Did you, did you, did you, Google, I said, yeah, don't put fire for runner. Just put back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. On the level of bottom line. Okay. This one just Google I guess it? No, I don't put fire for runner, just put back. There it is, there it is. Oh yeah, on the left, on the bottom. On the left, on the left.

On the left, okay, this one right here? Yeah, yeah. See, regular little pick up. Yeah, well, they are, they sell for hell of money. Find one for sale. Really? Yes. If you find one for sale,

it's expensive back to the future. Yes, yes, it's just more, there's certain models of vehicles. For example, if you get like the old Broncos, like those are worth a lot of money to return to the house. You know how slow car is going to be a model? I actually looked at this, so that's why I know.

Yeah, they're not cheap. I always loved it. By the way, it's probably a dog. It's probably slow as hell on Candy My. The cars when we were kids, they were gasp my early car. Carbage. Yeah.

No, see I disagree. I think that's actually what made it cool it cool is that that's what that old wide O'B a valuable cars because it was a cool actual car back then and still is kind of a cool car I bet you had like I bet it was like less than two in a horse bar. Oh, well, I'm not gonna argue Yeah, it's nothing was really I Know what I used to like the WS6. What is that firebird? So remember they had the Camaro's... With the fucking pointed. Oh my God, that you...

The Ram Air. Those Camaro's and Pontiac's are all that time. She all be burned. I love that. She never, those were the worst generations. That was the American muscle car of our era. Yeah, but they ruined it. They're 60s in the 70s, as well.

Yeah, that's why I said our era. That's why I had to make the context. So this one has a rebuilt engine. It's expected to sell for 75 to 85,000. Oh my God. How crazy is that? You could have bought that thing for 12 grand back then. 75, 85 grand.

That's crazy, right? Oh. Yeah. So funny that we're talking about this because I literally was shopping around at cars and I would say, you know what? This was a badass truck. You know what I'll say?

Spell of money. For more era was the Mitsubishi. What was it called? Oh the mighty truck. No, no, no, no, no, no. Tell me a car. Oh. It was a, you know about the eclipse?

No, I like the eclipse too, but it was, I think it was a Mitsubishi and they were typically a brand. I'm a real asshole. Only a American. I'm serious. Did you talk shit about the car that every chick loved. It was actually one of the car that she was wearing. And then the car that she was wearing, the car that she was wearing, the car that she

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It was actually one of the car that you liked. Car what Michigan- Hey, the eclips had a big butt. Yeah, it was a chick car, bro. Yeah, it's like a chick chick. No, the turbo was pretty good. I mean, it was a fast, yeah, I mean, it made it on fast and the furious.

It was a cool, but, yeah. They appreciated a chick drove in that. I mean, those dots and Z's are pretty cool. Like those are still collectibles. Like there's groups that, uh, people that I mean, I think it's so neat when you have like something like this that actually becomes timeless. I mean, how cool is that? I mean, that would be I'm telling you right now, I would drive that right now.

That's it. It's a good, but fun. Yeah. Good looking truck. It is. And I bet it's super private. You okay? So you know, one of the best like a dump run. One of good looking truck. And I bet it's super private. You okay? So you know, one of the best off run, one of the best off road vehicles you could ever have is a Jeep because of the ratio of like with the wheels, how light it is, they never get stuck, right? And like you get a big heavy truck out,

you know, that looks all tough, but it weighs a lot away. It's starting to get stuck, right? So jeeps are, and I bet you that thing is so lightweight. I bet it actually off road. Mitsubishi GT-O, look up Mitsubishi GT. Oh, do you guys remember that? It was a 1990 something, you know, Mitsubishi look that up dog. 3000 Mitsubishi 3000 GT. That's the ones. Yeah, wait till Doug pulled that before the eclipse. I think that was so 1995. This wasn't this was legit, like fast car for that.

Oh, popular. That, remember? Oh, yeah, all the cheerleaders drove that. Nope, but they didn't know for that. That was an expensive car back then. Oh, it was. You're the most embarrassing thing was one of our cheerleaders. She had like some kind of like that.

And on her license plate, it said like, I go topless. And it was a hard shell. It wasn't even convertible. Imagine being here. I'm like, you need to say, imagine you think you're dying off. Yeah, she's like, honey, why are you driving this?

I go topless, like, yeah, I was in a car. I remember this. This was the generation before the clips. I believe the eclipse is what, this was faster. No, no, no, no, no. This it was, I don't think.

Yes, it was. This was much faster. I know this, listen, this is the only era I know, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, the ultimate but those sell for hella money to try and get a grand national they're super expensive. Yeah there's there are there are there are that's that's Doug's era that's even further about no it's not yeah that's 87 yeah 87 you guys ever see that old picture a Doug from the 1980s the way he's in leather jacket right with that picture where'd you take that where he's modeling I took it I took it myself I shot it it into a mirror. It was a selfie. There's a selfie camera.

Yeah, with an actual film camera. Back in the day. Back in the day. I was so ahead of his time. Yeah, he could see it on my Instagram account. He aged so well. He looks younger today. He looks younger today than he did there.

I don't know, it's gone. Yeah, those are definitely the, I think that's the ultimate sleeper whip ever. Yeah, oh yeah, it's, it was a monster back then. Who, who in here uses the Jew of the most? I was using it for a while, a head stop now, and I could it's it was a monster back then who when he uses the juice the most I was using it for a while I had stopped now and I can tell I got to get back on I just I just use it almost every day now You do I'm doing an experiment with my hair So

Traditionally, I just sit in front of the juice It's not really hitting the back of my head. Yeah, and I've been having some issues with losing hair on the top of my head Yeah, and so what I do every night before I go to bed is I put, I have a small panel. I put on my bed and I lay down in front of it and just let it hit my head for 10 to 10 minutes. A long time to do it. For about two and a half weeks maybe.

Okay, so like three months is one will notice. Yeah, and so if you tell me that you can't see my scalp anymore, I'll be very happy. Okay. But I'll attribute it to that. All right. So you can hair, what's your natural hair color by the way, Doug? Is it white?

Is it totally white? Or is it like mine? It's probably more salt and pepper, yeah. Yeah, you don't think that would look good, huh? You know what? It's too late. I've already asked a certain people in my life if I should go back to that,

because I'm willing to do it, honestly. It would look good, but they don't want me to. So, if they're the ones that you want to do, they dug, no, if they're the one sleeping with you, they're the ones that you want. Exactly. Yeah. You know, it's a little plural, by the way, certain people. Yeah. Yeah. Going on.

Yeah. I was trying to be very, I was trying to be very general. Yeah. Okay. I took a survey of 15 people. Yeah. Yeah. No, obviously, I have a long term friend that's been doing my hair. And she, of course, she doesn't want me to stop either because I pay her No, you should stop that'll be a Should I just do the $30 haircut? She's not the one that I think is actually I think where it oh or I don't like it and people is like right now

it would be hard for Sal to do it now because he's already if I went jet black in my hair in my beard Yeah, all I would do is look like a magician Well, yeah, you're a hundred centimeters Yeah, yeah, you just you can't you're already you've already committed that direction, right? So I feel like since you've always been very consistent with coloring it even early on It looks great. I didn't actually start doing it until I was probably close to 40 years old though Well as long as I've known you yeah, I've never mind. I had this like crazy thought You know I get all into cults and I'm like through every documentary possible. I'm like dude

Why like and I'm like through every documentary possible. I'm like, dude, why, like, so there's magicians out there that just mystify everybody and they put on these acts, like they would be the perfect court leader. Oh yeah, you know? Like David Lane, like I'm like, I'm like,

I'm like, they kinda do following you. But I mean, he could take him down. Right, right, he could try and say like, you know, that's a good level instead of God. Look at what you do.

Yeah, yeah. He could just announce that and be, I mean, he would convince me. I've seen some of his shit, you know, that he does. I'd be like, yeah, I don't know. You just eat the apple and all of a sudden, like a card comes out. I'm like, oh, have you seen that one guy?

I'm a believer. There's this one dude that it's like, it's like these are obviously like parody, right? But he pretends to be a magician. And so he does, he pretends to be like a David Blaine. And he does some like really inappropriate, like magic bits with people. Have you seen these?

Oh, probably. Oh, bro. They're bad. I don't know if I'm talking about them. Oh, so clear. You already know what? She, the famous, uh, so is with a J, right? Oh, man. You already know what? The famous, those are the J, right?

Man, you got the look them up. I'll give it, I'll give us a shout out. He's like, it's in your mouth, there's something like that. It's all mosaic. Oh God. It's all mosaic. You know who we should shout out. And I am sure, me and I need to shout this person out

because we talk about them so much, but I mean in case our audience has it, is we should shout out Lane. Violin. Yeah. Violin on Instagram. His Instagram is Violin and he is notorious for taking down. So watchdog. And yeah, calling out.

Industry. But he's also, if a study comes out that I want someone to really break down, that's the person I turn to. He'll break it down very honestly. Yeah, we love Lane. Objectively. Yeah, we love lane for sure. There's a device called the pod made by a company called

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you'll get a discount, all right, back to the show. Our first caller is Josh from California. Hey, welcome back, Josh. Good morning, man. How can we help you? Well, first off, real quick, I just wanted to say, you guys are awesome. I appreciate everything you do. I've learned quite a lot. I love when you guys talk about stuff other than sitting at this, like managing relationships and mental health and all that kind of stuff.

I think it is pushing society in the right direction. So I just wanted to thank you for that. Thank you. My question is, yeah, a little bit of a weird one, but I have buddies that do resilient you get to and they get stoned before they do it. And they say that they have a really good connection. They learn, I don't know if they claim to say learned a little bit quicker. I have also tried this in the gym a few times and you know, you know, gotten nice and enhanced and go in there and I feel like I have a terrific workout and really make like a good connection to the muscle and I don't know, I feel like I can really perfect my form and technique and all that kind of stuff.

And my crazy is it, is there any type of, you know PED effects with THC or you know is contemplating my free will while listening not really doing. I was gonna say, don't ever work out, you're worked out on we. All right so the, all right so here's the deal. So there's there is some data on THC and athletic performance and then then there's some current, there's some newer studies, but the older studies show that THC reduces reaction time, reduces power output, and essentially was not a performance enhancer.

Essentially wasn't something that you, and Asli would want to take to improve performance. Now, anecdotally, especially endurance and stamina-based athletes are like, oh, a little THC makes a big difference. Now, we do know that THC seems to have some pain relieving effects or, you know, to put it maybe a little bit more clearly changes the way you perceive the pain. And with athletic endeavors that involve needing that perseverance or grind or whatever, it may help.

And like I said, there's a lot of anecdote. There's currently a study underway where they're really trying to be specific about studying whether or not. If there's a dose, if it's dose dependent, where they're using too much in the older studies, like what's the deal? Why is there so many anecdotes that are coming out about it? The last study I saw was a survey-based one, and a lot of times people discredit survey-based ones, but I don't in this case.

In this study, they asked a bunch of people that used cannabis, you know, before their workouts, and they said, hey, do you feel like it? It makes your workouts more enjoyable. I like that question because the answer was yes for most of them. Like, yeah, I did like the workout more. Does that play a role in how your workouts are going to affect you or the relationship you develop with the workout and so on? Yeah, it could be a positive, it could also be a negative one, right? You could also create a

negative relationship where you need THC or weed in order to enjoy the workout. So this is a mix bag for me. And then in Jiu-Jitsu is like surfing, Jiu-Jitsu, skateboarding, certain sports, ultra long distance running now is one. Yeah, like, like, where's the golf? Yeah, we're, we're, where cannabis is like the, like, the, like, they'll talk about it as like this performance enhancer. I mean, I think it's for different reasons, though, right? So my theory on this, even though I'm not a jiu-jitsu guy, I have quite a few friends that do, including someone like Sal, and one of the common things that I hear them say

that a mistake that a lot of people make in jiu-jitsu is trying to like muscle their way through the moves and stuff, and it's such a sport where you need to be able to flow, and there's as much as there is a strength aspect to it, there's also this kind of like relax and be strong, and so I think that calming effect that people get from TSU, I think that really plays into Jiu-Jitsu more so than a lot of other sports. As far as the working out one, the studies are clear on the, you're not getting a performance enhancement. Again, I think that plays into the individual.

If you're somebody, let's say, who's got a very high stress life or you got a lot of business stuff, like you get distracted. Part of why I loved cannabis at night was, you know, it improved my sleep because it would get me out of my own head. Like I always think about work and it's hard for me to not be thinking about the business. And so when I would smoke, it would basically calm me down and I'd be into a movie

and I wouldn't even be thinking about business and work. So if maybe if you're going into the gym and you've got a lot of stuff on your mind, family guy, business, you've got all the stuff going on and you smoke and all of a sudden all that stuff kind of fades away and you're just hyper-present on what you're doing. You could totally make it feel like it's an enhancement and I've had people that say that.

Now that doesn't work for me for training. Training I can get in the zone, it's actually one of the best ways I can distract myself from everything else in the world and so I find that when I smoke before I work out, because of course I've tried that, it doesn't seem to improve it. I do though, notice improvement when I do cardio, if I like, because I hate stretching. Of course production's pretty tough.

Yeah. But yeah, again, yeah, mobility, I think for me, is like, I've noticed that is like a way to, again, be in tune with your body, kind of feel your way through movements, positions, and really be a little bit more present and, and body, kind of feel your way through movements, positions, and really be a little bit more present. It is kind of a bit of a flow state, I guess an artificial kind of a flow state that you feel with that. So I do see a little bit of benefit from that personally.

Yeah, you know what, Adam, you, I don't know if you realize how like, like, brilliant what you said was that observation because you see THC anecdotally being used a lot by ultra distance runners. You almost never hear sprinters talk about THC. You almost never hear an explosive sprinter say, oh yeah, I like to hit the joint or have an edible and then go try to hit 50 yard dash or 100 yard dash. It's always, I run a marathon or 50 miles or 100 miles, right? Jiu-Jitsu is a great example.

You got Jiu-Jitsu and then, I guess, the explosive grappling version of that would be like Greco Roman wrestling or collegiate wrestling. You don't hear a lot of Greco wrestlers say, yeah, I like THC. But Jiu-Jitsu, especially with the Ghee, you got to slow down. It's very technical. It's much more like chess, not to say wrestling and Greco isn't, but Greco and wrestling

is very fast and explosive in comparison. If you, if you grapple, you know what I'm talking about, you take the ghee off and it's fast. You can put the ghee on and you're going much slower. So boy, I think you're hitting the nail on the head at him. I think for things that require stamina endurance slowing down, you know, that might be more benefit. You want power and explosive speed, the maybe not. And then of course, as an individual variance, I will say

this though, look with any substance in THC, especially receptors start to down regulate. You need more to produce the same effect. You could develop a bad relationship with it. So, you know, and by the way, caffeine is in that same category. Caffeine gets a pass though, because we've been using it forever and it's everybody's, you know, everybody has it every morning, but same thing,

you down regulate receptors, you start to become numb to it, you need more of it. So, I mean, you know, buyer beware, right? Is what I would say, but could it be a performance enhancer? I mean, yeah know, buyer beware, right? Is what I would say, but could it be a performance enhancer? I mean, yeah, based on the depends on the individual and what they're doing, I think so. Maybe it'd be more considered like a hack

because I have a hard time kind of connecting to my muscles sometimes, except when I am in that headspace that feels like I can really get like a rock solid connection. So, it may not get me any more power or anything like that, but it's strengthening that. Sure. Yeah. It totally could. If you feel that way, then that's probably what's happening for you. So I'd say anything used responsibly, but I think if you can, yeah, you get caught in that space where you have to have something. I do this with caffeine.

Like, I'm at the point now where I can't work out without having caffeine before my work out. That's when I know I need to back off on the caffeine because I've developed this. Just as a periodically nice, you know, I'm not going to get found every day. So, you know, at the art. Here's something else that's interesting. There was a study that showed that the state that you learn in, you're more likely to be able to recall what you learned when you're in that state again. So to apply to what we're talking about, you learn a bunch of techniques in Jiu-Jitsu

while you're stoned. You're probably going to be able to better replicate them or execute them when you're stoned again. So it may be a positive feedback loop, like, oh, I get stoned before Jiu-Jitsu, and then, oh, I perform better when I'm stoned. They show this on tests. Well, they'll have people learn things, sober,

test sober, learn things stoned, test sober, or do it stoned, and they find that, the state that most mirrors how you learned it is the state you're most likely gonna be able to execute better. So there's also that potential positive feedback loop that might be happening. Okay. Yeah.

I don't have anything free to get, we can send you a free joint or something, but I don't think we have any. I think Adam spoke them all. So I've got plenty of that. Yeah, yeah. If you lost something, stones usually get to get stoned. Yeah, you're fine. Or else you'll forget that you lost something. I mean, I think I'm going to bring my belt. I mean, you've been listening long enough to hear my journey with smoking and THC and stuff

like that. I think a good exercise for if you don't already do it is to just, is to remove it occasionally in and out of your life and see how it affects you. And every time that I do that and then I allow it to come back and reintroduce it, I'm so much better with the relationship with it. And I start to also get closer to what is it? And maybe you get a better connection to like, oh, maybe it's not all the time, but with certainly when I have things that are stressing me out at home or work or something

like that. And then I smoke and then I get this better connection. But as long as that's all in order and I'm good, I actually get just as good of a connection. And so you can start to learn more about yourself and how you're reacting those things. And so I'm big on always cycling stuff like this in and out of my life.

So I don't, and then this goes in the same category as caffeine and cratum and a lot of these other things that people tend to love to use. I think it's a good exercise to do that if you don't do that already. I heard on a couple of podcasts ago, you were talking about how you kind of cut back. And I, you know, most years,

I've been doing it like for a few years now, but I'll take a couple of months completely off and not do anything, you know, casting's a hard one, but pot for sure. And then it's more just like a tolerance reset for me too, because over the years, or over the year, it gets so high that the, you know, I ended up really not even being able to achieve

like getting sewn, but how do you, like when you throw it all back, like what does that look like? Do you just kind of go cold turkey or do you? Yeah, only be cut, only. So, so, Sal and I talk about this a lot, because we actually are affected differently by it. I'm lucky. I can there's certain things I can cut cold turkey and certain things I can't. Example I threw out the thing I create them if I'm using cratum and then I come off I have to taper down or I feel that the adverse effects of that massively with for some reason smoking.

I could be you know chronically using it daily for months straight and then I'll suddenly go, I'm done and I'm actually totally fine. But some people are different. Sal's like, man, I'll get headaches and I feel this way and so he's got a taper on certain things like that. So it really did, that's totally dependent on the individual on how they do it. I have found a lot of success in just cutting it cold turkey

and just like you, I'll go a few months and just to prove to myself it's not something I need in my life. Yeah, and then honestly, the way I sell it to my buddies that like to smoke like you is exactly what you say, which is, hey, the best part about it, you save money because when you go pack, you need a tenth of what you needed and what you built your tolerance up to.

Yeah, that's right. You're on the right track, Dobra, I think you're doing fine. Yep, you the right track, though, bro. I think you do them fine. Yep. You got a puff puff gear. Right on. Yeah, that's it. Hey, you know, you're whatever it takes.

I'm getting older. So I need all the, I need all the angles and advantages I get. Yeah. You got it, brother. Right on, Josh. Thanks for calling in. Right on. Thank you guys.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I knew I needed to cut back when I started injecting weed. You know what? I think seriously though, it was heroin workouts. Sick Jesus. Seriously though, like I don't think I've ever heard of a sprinter. It'd be like, oh yeah, bro, I like, no, no, no. It's always the long slow, like, and if you think about the way it makes you feel,

I could see myself going on a long ass. You want to do like crazy aggressive stuff. Yes. Yeah. I mean, that's just kind of where it You want to do crazy aggressive stuff. Yes. I mean, that's just kind of where it's at. Right before you hit a PR. Yeah, you imagine that. I just can't imagine like putting myself in that position.

Yeah, but if we were going to go on like a long ass hike or something like that, it's amazing. Sure. My thought is like, I mean, again, this is speculation, I don't have no proof of this, but I really feel like it's like getting out of your own head. Of course. And so if you know what I'm saying? And so if you are easily distracted

by other things in your life, and you are to go to the gym, and by doing that, it kind of melts that away, and then also you become just hyper-present, because that's the goal, right? It's like becoming super-present on the lift, and then you get the most out of your lift, which for guys like ourselves,

who've been lifting forever, we have a passion for, we love to do it. Like I don't need any, like give me my music is about all I need. Yeah, totally. Music in my ears and that's like my drug of choice for getting super connected to the workout and that's I don't need any performance stuff. Most of you are like insanely creative.

Yeah, totally different. Yeah. Our next caller is Bob from Pennsylvania. Bob, what's happening, man? How can we help you? What's up, guys? Playing to me, you guys. I've been listening for, man, six, seven years now.

Yeah. I was looking back last night. I mean, I saw some of the, some of the podcasts I used to listen to, like prison workouts. They're pretty, pretty classic. I was listening to one last night. Pretty fun, was like, 50. I'm a cool man.

Yeah, it's great to me, guys. I mean, like I said, I've been an ad listener. I mean, I think I've bought everything from all your sponsors since the past six, seven years. So, pleasure to meet you guys. My question's pretty simple compared to some of the questions I hear on here from other callers. I put it in a couple months ago.

I was on, well, just give some background. I'm 64, 238, a former professional athlete. So I played a lot of years professionally, baseball, but the best ball in college as well. I'm always been in the fitness. I started working out probably 25 years ago, like my sophomore year of college, and I haven't stopped since.

And I found you guys a couple of years ago, got some programs, started with anabolic. It was okay. I wasn't a big fan of the time of full body workouts. I like the bros splits. I like working out five days a week. But then you guys, and then I brought split, I bought aesthetic. Those two were just, there was a lot of volume there, a lot there.

But then anabolic events came up, and I loved it. It was permedomally. Five days a week I was loved it. It was perg red of my alley five days a week I was doing the five or sixty a week. It had a little bit of everything had some ability in there had some Go to failure some weeks and then other weeks were more volume It was just perfect. It changes up for me made it really kind of exciting and I did that a couple months two months ago. I just finished that up for the third time in a row So I did three times in a row And then I thought,

okay, maybe I should, I'm not really good at taking a step back. So I started anabolic about, I did the pre-phase of anabolic and I just started phase one this week. And that's what I decided to do. It's kind of like, because anabolic seems like a step back a little bit, like almost, like a step to kind of like regain some yeah, it is kind of Yeah, so I guess my question comes down to it's like Anabolic advances like right my alley. I have performance That scares me a little bit just because I'm afraid I'm gonna pull a hammy a break and ankle Some of those exercises in there. I'm even know I'm a former athlete. I'm 47 in a couple months here

But I think for me I was I was asking you the time like it back went through an apology Advanced again Is it all right to like I guess it's all right to like the optional exercises put them in versus another exercise or Or kind of like where to go like is an apolic a good choice? I am regular Regular in a box right now. I like what here's what's exciting about talking to you right now, bro is And I'm gonna have Doug get it over to you. I don't know how, how soon he can get it to you because I know we're wrapping it up, but we, we literally just created a program and it's, it's for 40 pluses and it's kind of,

we, the way we've talked about it is, it's like a tune up. And if I was over 40, I would make sure that I run this every single year at least one time through and cycle that in my, all my other programming that I love to do. And you sound like you're such the perfect person for this because you if in a bulk advance is fine, but you do want to make sure you're addressing some things just for for the overall joint health and mobility and rotational strength and things that keep you from getting injured, keep you healthy, keep you feeling good and not always just pushing the way it's pushing the max, keep pushing the whole time. And so I'll have Doug send that to you, because I think that is like a ultimate, I mean,

I don't know unless you guys disagree. No, that's good. That, if you have, if you have 40 plus symmetry and anabolic advance, every once in a while interrupt your cycles of anabolic advance with one of those two programs you're done. You're good. And here's the other thing too, Bob, you've been training for so long, you're so connected to your body.

You've been following my, like if you want, you're the person I would trust. If you came to me and said, hey, can I swap out some exercises or whatever? Yeah, I mean, I would trust you over my own opinion. I'd have to train you for a while before I feel really confident in my opinion over yours. I would ask I would trust, I would trust you over my own opinion. I'd have to train you for a while before I'd feel really confident in my opinion over yours.

I would ask you and say, well, what feels better for you? And what do you think? Especially since you've ran through it multiple times the way it's laid out. If you pull something out because you're like, you know what, I think I need to do more of this and I'm not and so I'm gonna get rid of this exercise and put this one in.

You have the ability to compare to what it was like when you had it in there and did that improve? Did it get better? Did it get worse? So you're the perfect person to give the green light on, hey, yeah, man, if there's some exercises in there that you feel like you're either overdoing it or that you know what, I'm missing out on something that I know I need and then you want to swap it, absolutely.

Or do you like what we're saying, which is just make sure that once a year, you're interrupting your year of training with a program like 40 plus or like symmetry because that's kind of how those were written was to address a lot of those things that might come out. Totally. Yeah, I've never even seen, I've never even looked at symmetry. I'm aware of it.

I've never even looked at it. But the over 40, it's interesting. I was going to bring that up. I was wishing you guys would come out because I looked for programs over 40, not to sound old, but you still think you can do what you can do. But at the same time, I wanna say, I wanna stay strong, healthy, and just be able to have energy really at this point. Like you said, Sal, I mean, I've been working out so long,

getting really big strength gains is nothing I have anymore. I think it's like really incremental. It's more about just changing it up, kind of shocking the system, and that's what I've been doing. And I think like an over 40 programs, it's just something. It's perfect. You're going to love it. It's the first time too. That's how I work out a lot now. And it's not a compromise. And it's not like you're a lot of 40 plus programs are really just watered down traditional workouts. So it's

like, oh, you're over 40 now. We got to make this really easy. We have beginner programs that people can use for that. We have map starter. We have maps resistance. I think you could do pre-phase of anabolic. We have those programs. We made maps 40 plus for people like you who work out all the time.

Or ourselves. Or ourselves. It's really a reflection of our own training. Yeah, how do we train now without compromising performance on one of the things that we need to consider now, just because we've been doing this for so long, and that's what's in the program. So I think you're gonna be the first person we give it to.

So this will be fun. You're a great candidate for this. You can't wait to hear the feedback as you go through it. And this is the first program we'd ever put any sort of focus on lifestyle. So there's a lot of lifestyle stuff in there as far as how to implement cold showers and things like that into your routine. So hopefully you'll appreciate all the focus on that detail of it too

is actually wrapping in a bunch of lifestyle stuff with the training. Yeah, we've never done that before. So it's pretty well positioned by the way you play baseball, right? Yeah, I was a third, I. So it's pretty well positioned by the way you play baseball, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I was a, I was a, I was a third, I was drafted as a third baseman. Now I became a pitcher in the minor leagues and I wind up pitching about three and a half years in the big leagues. Not enough, not to stop working though, unfortunately. Well, especially back in those days, maybe these, these contracts these days, man, did you see, uh, oh boy, just got that seven, seven hundred million?

We pay my pro world. Even the minimum, the minimum now is like 700,000. Dude, I mean, we're a year away, maybe two years from a billion dollar baseball contract. How fucking crazy is that? It's not, especially baseball, I mean, it's, but the money keeps coming in. Yeah. From the advertisers, the contract, did you kind of pay what they can get? Remember, your decade just too soon, bro.

I love inflation. Yeah, I mean, we're a couple of years too short. I mean, injuries, that's another thing. All the injuries I've had, two shoulder surgeries, knee surgery. I mean, it's trying to know my limits. I, it's funny when I was playing, I was much more, I lifted heavy for a pitcher. I really did at the time, but I didn't touch far, but I also did a lot of dumbbell work.

And then once I got done, it was deadlift, hard core, strong as I could possibly be. In my 30s, I was as strong as I ever was. And then 40s crap up, have a kid, trip the creeps in, and XDNL, you're still strong, but you just want to stay energized of energized that I am well. And you can do that. And the reason I asked your position, partly curiosity, the other part is like, as a pitcher, like map symmetry is gonna be amazing for you.

It's gonna be a discrepancies. Yeah, it's gonna be amazing. Yeah, because there's, I mean, I've trained pitchers before, not at your level, but in the right to left, you know, asymmetry is just dramatic. Well, I'm gonna have Doug Sindo over the 40 plus one. So you have that.

And if there's another one that you dabble with, mess with symmetry, because that'd be a great one. And then one more actually for you that if you don't have already, do you have a prime pro? No, that's actually another really good investment for you to be met. The mobility stuff. Just because, yeah, just because if you have

like achy joints or shoulder bod, then you so it's literally specific to correctional type work So it's like perfect for somebody who's like, oh, I got something going on my hips bother me go straight to that program It'll help you with exercises to address that so I'll get done Yeah, I know my first I mean I got into it in anabolic advanced with like some of that mobility day like with the 90 90s And that was my first time ever doing something like I still 90 nice. I mean my hips feel like doing a break So it's flexible. It's not even funny. But yeah, I know it helps a lot. That's why I like that about it. It's like forced me that one day to really focus on those things like the handcuffs or rotations, which like I feel like I'm dying when I'm doing my shoulders.

But yeah, no, it's they're all great. I mean, I really learn a lot from the podcast too. It's been great. So it kind of keeps me in tune with things. Thanks, boss. Thank you. This is for a man. Yeah, awesome guys. Good meeting you. All right, you too. That was cool. Yeah, yeah, really, really cool. I can't wait to hear what he has to say about. He's still perfect for a good candidate. Yeah, first one we give away. All right. First one we gave away, can't wait to hear the feedback from someone like that.

So that's gonna be great. You know, a professional athletes are just, for just interesting to observe when you watch some perform, because it's just such a crazy level. But one of the most trippiest things, I've seen this, I've seen this before. One of the trippiest things ever seen in my life up close was a 90 mile an hour fastball.

If you've never seen one in front of you, it's still scared of the shit out of you. It makes a sound as a fly through the air. And it's, yeah, it's like, what is that for someone? Throw that, that's crazy. Our next color is Seth from Ohio. Seth, what's up, man? Go on, man.

How are we doing? Good, good. Your room looks familiar. Yeah. Yeah, you know, I appreciate you guys flying me out to the studio. You know, it looks a little different. But, you know, I appreciate that gesture. It was great to find me out for for this short call What you got for us, bro

Yeah, well, let me just start with say thank you guys so much for having me on. I'm really excited to talk to you guys I've been listening to you guys since about 2020 Found you guys. How you were were on an episode of Genius Life with Max Lugavir. So shout out to Max for, for, for, for, for, for, for, introducing me to you guys. Um, and you know, I appreciate all the fitness and nutrition advice you guys have, have given for free.

Um, over these, these last three or so, three, almost four years of, of me and fall in you guys. Uh, thank you. It's been really, really invaluable for me to listen to you guys and learn from you guys. And additionally, I got three kids, two sons, ages four and three, and then I've got a six-month-old daughter. So it's been kind of cool to listen to you guys talking about some of the fun things with parenting and the challenges.

Like, literally that morning, I'm like, oh my god, Adam's talking about Mac just did this, and that was like, I literally did that this morning. So really cool. Just all around. So appreciate everything you guys do. Thank you, man. So to my question, giving us a little background. So I played basketball in high school. I stunk. There is nothing to brag about. But you know, I then went to college went to college, generally workout that much when I went to college. Then I started doing a 60-day beach body with lose a bunch of weight, gain it all back

the next two months later, did that for a while. And about 2016 is when I discovered Spartan races, fell in love with it. Was like, oh my gosh, it's like the funnest thing ever, doing a C.RCR races, fell in love with the high of like all the high intensity, like, you know, that that goes into doing OCR training and endurance training. And just really just kept going along that path of training to that and just googling workouts. So, oh, what's a good OCR workout and just

following whatever that said. And essentially I just started adding more and more and more and more and then COVID hit and I was I really got my nutrition dialed in I dropped 20 25 pounds Which just further emboldened me to Do more and do longer workouts and more reps and all this stuff And essentially you guys can probably guess words going here is I've since then since 2020 just Been battling injuries left and right between ankle knee wrists elbow And so I've been on this track of this for the past three years of Just really trying to figure out. Yeah, I do some mobility stuff. I feel better. I'd ramp it right back up Go balls to the wall,

get in and drink in two months. And so, it also all that to say, I really love OCR. I love the endurance training aspect of it. But at this point, with three kids, four and under, trying to train for endurance sports doesn't seem as easy these days. And frankly, my body just feels pretty beat up at this point. So I'm just trying, I don't want to give up on OCR completely.

It's been a really great motivator for me to stay focused and exercise. So I want to kind of better understand, like, I feel like I at this point, after listening to the show, you know, in particular the last few months of feeling like my best route is to just go strength for muscle building solely. But I also want to keep that cardio endurance, like kind of in my back pocket. So I want to maintain some level of running while also ramping up just like some stricter strength based goals. So just want to get your guys thoughts and ideas of, you know, how should I balance that? Seth.

Seth, I'm looking at the programs you own. I'm so surprised you don't own performance. You've got a lot of... No, I actually just bought it on Black Friday. Oh, it's sent me a question before. So I bought the whole RGB bundle. Okay, okay. Now, that's the program for you.

I mean, you're still gonna build muscle and you're going to address enough endurance that you're still gonna be able to get ready for an OCR race or do something like that if you wanted to, if you follow that routine. And you're gonna address all the mobility and joint issue stuff. So that would be one suggestion, the other one,

and you're gonna have to answer this for yourself, is the Maps 15 route. So those are the two that I think of when I hear your story right now is, if you can handle the amount of training volume and frequency of performance, then that's a great program based off of your goals and where you're currently at and what you wanna achieve.

If the kids and the life and that stuff like that, that's a bit at and what you want to achieve. If the kids and the life and that stuff like that, that's a bit overwhelming and it's hard to do, but then I would go the Maps 15 right. So let me ask you this because you're going to keep doing OCR races, you said, do you know, and you have a six month old. So, and I know what that's like the first year is just quite hectic. And you got a four, you said a four and a three year old. So we said, okay, so here's what I would do, is I would do Maps 15, do the advanced version, okay. And I would do that for a full cycle. And then look in the future,

when the next OCR races that you wanna do, I would schedule it out, I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do it three months from now either, I'd do it kind of maybe further out. And then do Maps OCR to lead up to it, that's it. But I would't do it three months from now either. I'd do it kind of maybe further out and then do maps so she are to lead up to it. That's it. But I would take a nice little break right now because you're probably doing a lot. You work.

I'm assuming you work. You've got your kids. Yeah. You got a six month old, a four year old, a three year old. You're coming out of like injuries left and right. I think you should do a full cycle of maps 15, do the advanced version of it. Don't add anything else. Just do that for now, let your body heal. And then when you're ready to get ready for a race, run OCR, and yeah, your endurance will suffer

in the beginning, but it'll come back really fast. I mean, I don't want to do a map quickly. I still would want him to do around a point. Knees, hips, wrist, elbows, and ankles, bro. Yeah. I wouldn't want to want I mean, I would not want him just to do a maps 15 That's for him to rest. I know, but that's yeah, but you're still not addressing all the oh you mean post Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I hear what you're saying. So I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Following maps 20 or Matt with 15 excuse me a maps 20 the advanced version then yeah Performance will probably a good kind of follow up and then use OCR to train for Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I mean you get it already you buy performance

So you're on the right track with that and I do agree with the 15 of like scaling down the body You just might be in a place in your life for your your body's just trying to tell you like hey You need to back off a bit and that's 15 will do that for you and then as you start to probably get ramped up Again, and you want to get back into it. I would say go to performance next. And then maybe you'll get you ready for the race. Yeah. Awesome. Awesome. One of the things, do you guys think I should spend like, like

Sal, you said just like kind of back off for a while? Is that with the Maps 15 or should I try to like just strictly focus on mobility for like six, eight weeks and then get into 15? Or do you think it's good? I think I think go straight to Maps 15. Yeah or you think it's good? It's good. I think it goes straight to massive things. Yeah, you go right to it. Yep. Yep.

And then take it from there. I think your body just needs a break right now more than anything. Yeah. And here's kind of how I used it when we first started doing this. And this was when Max was younger, right? When we first wrote the program, is I would follow it as it's laid out. And then there's times, and you know this is a dad where, oh wow, look at that. He's sleeping for an hour, and I've got a little bit of time for myself and then I would do mobility stuff.

And so it's like if you find the days where you got extra time and you're feeling good, instead of doing more weights, more work, do mobility stuff to address the end, you know, do all the, you know, do all the stuff for your ankle and the wrist and the shoulders and the 90-90s and, you know, incorporate that. If you do anything else besides the maps, when you incorporate more mobility stuff, that'll only help you leading into performance or leading back into OCR. Awesome.

That's awesome guys. I appreciate it. You got a map. You have a map 15 already or no? I do not have 15. Okay. We'll send that one over to you. Awesome.

Awesome. I appreciate it, guys. Take care and yeah. Thanks for coming by. Yeah, turn out the light. Turn out the light. Oh, you get it. Yeah, make sure I get the light somewhere.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, so take care guys. Take it easy. I stole your idea. I just said before. Yeah, that's pretty clever. That's pretty clever. I have a bra.

It's a four year old, three year old, six month old training like that. I mean, come on. That's pretty clever. That's pretty good. I have a bra. It's a four year old, three year old, six month old training like that. I mean, come on. That's a lot. You know, it's cool because, you know, I love things like OCR and stuff like that, especially if you notice like the way he started like, oh man, it lit this fire and I love doing that. And there's nothing wrong with, you know, you know, going down

that rabbit hole, enjoying that process, I feel about people I love falling love with CrossFit, but just become aware of this is normally what it leads to right here, especially when you had in kids and other things. And what happens to a lot of people is they become, they identify so much with being a OCR runner or a cross fitter that they will not leave the modality to It's hard to break up. Yes. And it's like, there's nothing wrong with those things, but recognize the potential side

effects that almost catch up to everybody from training that way. And so then you have to be able to move out of that. Otherwise, you're just going to constantly see this. You still need the training to build your body and reinforce your joints and keep your body, you know, avoiding injury in order to then do what you love to do which is performing the sport. Our next caller is Jessica from Canada. Hi Jessica, how can we help you? Hi, how are you? Good, how are you? Alright. Good, thank you. Thanks for taking my call. I'll skip over the usual thank you for everything you do. Love you guys and all that stuff.

And I'll, uh, don't skip over that. Go ahead. Don't skip over that. Don't, uh, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don, don't, don, don't, don't, don't, don't, don, don't, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, don, I've been listening to you guys for about like five years now. I finally purchased a bundle during the Black Friday special. I got the the sexy athlete bundle. I really just wanted to have access to performance. So I do training for youth teams and to have about like I've got hockey, soccer, basketball, baseball, volleyball, everything under the sun from ages 11 to 17. So I really wanted to have performance just so I could kind of use those different exercises, more athletic style exercises and kind of incorporate that for the kids. And because like everybody's kind of in different seasons,

whether it's like off season, preseason, or in season, my main question was just, how would you go about using performance in terms of implementing that with the kids? Because I only see them once a week. And because they're all at different areas of like their seasons, how would you go about implementing things like bits and pieces from performance into something for the kids to do? Ages are what? 11 to 17? Yeah, 11 to 17. Okay, so I'll tell you one of the biggest mistakes I see with coaches and young athletes is that they use the workout. So not the practices. So forget practice where you're actually playing the sport and you're doing scrimmages and all that stuff. I'm talking about the actual workouts.

The coaches use the workouts and they think that this is how I'm going to make the athlete as fit as possible. And so they rush through the exercises and push-ups and lunges and keep going type of deal where you could save that for the practices. You can make them play hard, they'll enjoy that. That'll give them the fitness. The workouts should be more about injury prevention, body stability and control. That's going to be very individual because you gave us a broad range from 11 to 17.

Like an 11 year old, it might be as simple as holding, you know, a pair of dumbbells above their head, really straight and tall and walking and trying to be very, very stable, right? Or it could be a lateral tube walk. That's very, very valuable for a lot of female athletes in particular, especially as I go through puberty because the hips start to change shape and you see ACL injuries, for example. So my training would be less focused on conditioning them and more about injury prevention, stability, and control. And that's how I would pick the movements at a performance. You would identify what this particular athlete needs or this group of athletes are like,

oh, wow, none of them can balance on one foot. Or all of them are really, really asymmetrical because they throw what they're right, and they're left as we go, whatever. And then I would base the session based off that on developing stability, control, and preventing injury. And then they'll get the workouts with the scrimmages. So. Yeah, I like that you're thinking in that direction.

I'm a bit perplexed because the age range, I like that for like a little bit older kids. I'm a little bit more partial to symmetry as a suggestion, mainly because of what cells kind of bring it up in terms of the stability, control, attention to form and mechanics and to be able to kind of have everybody do. So it isn't like a group setting, I'm imagining, right? And that's a hard thing to kind of organize. And I think that the way it's laid out is pretty simplistic. It's, you know, we can go, you know, lateral training is in there.

I think it's very valuable. And then even to like five by five, you know, in our fourth phase with that is something we kind of want to progress into in terms of just of pure strength, focus. And so like the workouts there, I think in terms of how you put that together, I think that would be an easier way to sort of manage, like just on a workout perspective. Yeah, so I, this is kind of a challenging question. Because there's so much nuance here. It's really hard for me to wrap.

So I have some ideas around how I do this. So with because of the age gap and the probably the level, the skill level of their ability to perform the movement, I would probably only pick three to five movements, total. Total, that. I'm teaching and they would be like so let's say my my 15 to 17 year olds they're gonna do the reverse lunge to press movement that we have like in there like the landmine movement right that's kind

of an advanced type of technical movement because they're good there's not only it's compound but they're also moving their upper and lower body and so maybe something like that that's like what I consider my advance. And then maybe I have like a goblet squat for like my 11 year olds or something like so. I'd pick a couple skill-based movements that I'm gonna categorize my kids in. And I really just get them proficient at those movements.

Instead of treating it like I wanna give them a workout. It's like you're teaching the skill. Right, instead of thinking like you wanna give them a workout. It's like you're teaching the skill. Right, instead of thinking like you want to give them a workout, like sourcing, it's like, I'm only gonna pick a couple exercises, you know, and maybe that looks like, you know, two different exercises for each age grade. And you know this better than anybody.

Like you look at your class, you probably can think of, oh, I have a set of kids that are like really deconditioned or really are just don't have good coordination. So I'm going to put them as my super low skill. And then you probably have someone the higher end that are like 17, 18, very proficient, very, very skill, right? They could do things like explosive ice skaters and make them look pretty like. So then I have like the high skill movements, I maybe I have two of them there.

I have two in the very low end and then maybe two in the middle. And literally I'm separating the class like that in these groups of, and that way too, that like a kid who's 11, doesn't mean that just because he's 11, he or she can't progress to the 17 year old. If you see that they're doing, they kick ass on the basic movements,

then you move them to the middle movements, and now they're kicking ass of that, and now you're on the high skill one. Are you teaching all the different ages in the same class, Jessica, or is it, are they like all the different ages in the same class, Jessica? Or is it are they like all 11 to 12 and then all 13 to 14? Yeah, they're all they all come in with their own team. So they're all in their own age group.

So like I'll have a group of around eight to 16, like 12 year olds. And then my next group would be like eight to 16, like 16 year. That makes it that makes it easier. That makes like the kind of the original advice I gave, which is just getting a, I'll give you an example of what this would look like, Jessica. So I'll tell you the way that most people would do it, which is wrong. And then the way I think it would be the right way. So let's just imagine I take 10, I have the 10 kids in front of me.

And I say, okay, everybody, you're going to grab your dumbbell. So we all pick a weight that's appropriate. I want you to hold them straight up above your head as tall as you can, and then I want you to march in place, right? So you're gonna lift one knee up, bring it down, lift the, and everyone's gonna march in place. Now, most coaches would be like, keep going until you can't do it anymore.

So then the kid decides when they need to drop them, and it just becomes a test of will and a test of just beat yourself up. The better way to do it is everybody do these perfectly, I'm going to rock, walk around and when I tap you on the shoulder, that means you need to take a break. And then I'll let you take a break and then you can try again. And what you're doing is you're walking around looking for breaks in perfect form. And when you see perfect form break, you tell the kid to take a break and the kids that continue to have perfect form can keep going. It's not about going

until you can't move anymore. It's about going until your form starts to break down. And for some kids, it's going to start real quick. And that's how, and so what you're doing is you're, you're, you're perfecting stability and technique, not just trying to beat them up. Okay. Yeah. I have an idea. See what you guys like, you know, if you agree with this or not, but in Maps 15, we have a very limited amount of like, so the advanced works more on and we have a very limited amount of, so the advanced works more on the compound lifts, right? And so it's basics two to three, let's say, but we could hyper focus on those very specific lifts,

or if the younger age kids, we could do the other version, which actually uses the suspension trainer. And so that way you kind of have two options there. So you have the younger kind of kids that don't really have a lot of control, and body control, and strength, stability versus the other kids.

So I think it's there in terms of like what we've already created to kind of parse out and create something for them so they all get benefit. Yeah, it's really Jessica, it's gonna be less about, although this is important, it's still Jessica it's going to be less about although this is important. It's still less about the exercises you pick. They are important. So I'm not saying they're not important but it's less about that more about how you're applying and how you're viewing the sessions. Is it a workout or am I teaching them a skill? Do you know where you probably could find videos

where you'll learn a lot from. Watch really good martial arts instructors with large groups of kids. And this is what they do. They'll have everybody in uniform, what I mean by uniform, everybody at the same time. So it's like everybody's like, all right, everybody position one

and then they get a position one. And the coach walks around and tweaks their technique a little bit. And everybody's waiting and they go around, okay, everybody ready position two, position two, position two, then they walk around because the martial arts coach isn't trying to work them out,

he's trying to get them to perfect the technique. If you, so the exercises, although that's important, that's less important than what I'm saying is when you have your class doing something, that's how you should treat it. Not like I'm trying to make them all work out, but I'm trying to get everybody to move perfectly. So think about that, like to the exact point, I love that

point. I got a group of eight kids and I'm going to do a reverse lunge to a balance to a press or something, like a movement like that. There's like three parts to it. Yeah, there's three parts. And so I'm going to everybody reverse lunge and they're holding and I'm going to walk around and you guarantee you have some kids that are slouched over.

You have other kids are going gonna be leaning to one side. Or the foot's too close. Right. Yeah, or their foot's, their front foot is turned in all weird, or their back foot is like way off to the side or way behind the other. And so you walk around and kind of move them in perfect posture. Yep. Okay.

Now everybody, you know, hand up. I'm down. Up to your balance, right? Then everybody steps up to the balance. And then you have some kids that are falling and wobbly, go over, fix their posh, or get them standing up straight, get them holding the dumbbell right to the shoulder like this. You can do that with any exercise.

You can do it with a dead lift. Okay, everybody grab the bar, and then you walk around, fix everybody's form. All right, everybody engage your lats, everybody engages the lats. All right, everybody stand up, everybody stands up. Wash their technique. All right, everybody bring it down, bring it down.

And you just break the movements down, and you're teaching the techniques. They'll get way more out of that than if you're just trying to make them sweat and get tired. If you can teach every one of these kids in all these classes to do a complex movement like a deadlift or a squat and that's all they ever get from you, you will do more for them and their support than the best athletic exercise program that's on the internet or another coach can do. That's the level that they're all,

the difficulty of the skill of these movements. And that's, I think, this is the mistake that high school and young coaches make as they try and treat them like their professional athletes and like all these different movements that are, oh, this is gonna work on their rotational strength, this is gonna be their explosive, this is gonna be, and they're doing all this shit.

And it's like the kid can't even do a proper squat. It's like if you can just get them to do that, the carry over into their sports and all of their pursuits, it's far greater than the most complex, totally the workout program. So think like that as a coach. Like you will accomplish a ton if you can get that whole classroom to do a beautiful squat and do it together. That's massive. I hope that helps you. Does that give you a do a beautiful squat and do it together. That's massive.

I hope that helps it. Does that give you a little bit of kind of notion? Okay. Definitely. I also want to, we're doing like the mobility drills as well. Yes. Before or after. Yes.

Yeah. That could be the class. That's exactly the class. That could be the workout. Literally, you're doing a mobility movement and you're breaking them down into five steps and you're getting them to go through each step and you're walking through and correcting technique and then step two and then you're walking through

and correcting technique and then step three. And eventually what'll happen just because with these classes, you'll be able to go step one. Step two, step three, step four, go. And then everyone's gonna move through it perfectly. And fact, do you have prime pro yet or no? No, please don't yell at me. No, no, it's okay. You're not here. I wouldn't put you there.

I'm gonna sit, I'm, listen, listen, I'm gonna have Doug send you prime pro and then I feel like we're really getting somewhere here. This would be an awesome class. Yes. You take them through three to five of these prime pro movements. You're done. And if you do any more, you do one exercise. It's like, we literally gonna do prime pro, we're gonna do some 90, 90s, we're gonna do some hand cup of rotation. And then you do one cup of rotation. And then it's like all the classes centered around

is breaking down the deadlift in the three different positions or the squat. And that's like what you teach. Like that. Cause those prime pro movements, especially if you watch the videos on how we coach and teach it, you're gonna get these kids better connected.

They're gonna get better connected to all these muscles that you're asking them to go call upon and then you go teach one movement and until they get that one movement perfect. That's all the focus of the classes. That's a great class. Okay, yeah. So Doug's gonna just...

I just lift that, yeah. We'll send that to you and then let's let you in the forum too. If you get permission from the parents, I'd love to see the class and see how you teach it. That'd be awesome. Oh, yeah, that'd be super cool. All right, yeah. And then we could give advice or I don't know.

Yeah, Doug will send over Prime Pro and then I'd love to hear back. Thanks Jessica. Okay, that'd be super awesome. Thank you guys. You got it. Like everybody, it's okay. This is such a frustrating topic for me This is we don't have anything very specific the point to like this

And so we're like just throwing a million philosophical ideas at her Well, it is like it there's a simple way to do it and I think we got to somewhere with the prime pro And I think that that everybody can benefit from that You know and that's really what the end result needs to be. There's a lot of teaching techniques that are just gonna go into this. Everybody for kids, but you have to slow down. You have to keep it simple.

You have to keep it one exercise. And that's not what all these coaches wanna hear because they wanna teach them all of these complex like athletics is complex as fuck. For whatever reason, okay. People, they don't realize that working out or exercises or techniques. You would never see a baseball cup,

maybe you do see some crappy coaches, but everybody would know how crappy this coach would be. You're trying to teach a kid how to pitch. And so this is what you tell them. Throw the balls fast, you can't as many times you can until you're tired. And everybody watched me like, what are you doing? You're not teaching them how to throw the ball properly. You're just making it get his arm tired.

For some reason, we don't treat exercise that way. We put these kids in his class and it's like, let's just get them all tired. That's not what they're gonna benefit from. That's why I pointed to martial arts. If you watch a good instructor teach a bunch of eight-year-olds in Taekwondo, well, the literally deals will have them stand up and they'll break every move down into five parts.

Lift your knee, everybody lifts your knee. Bring your leg out, bring your leg out, and they all have to hold the position before you ever throw a thousand of these kicks to fatigue. You gotta be able to perfect the technique. And if you don't understand the technique of these exercises like deadlift squats, presses, whatever, you're wasting your time.

If anything, you'll increase the odds of injury. You guys remember last year when my brother-in-law was bringing his nephew in here and he's trying to train for football, right? And he wanted me to give him all these different exercises, right? So I gave him some things that helped him out. I really didn't get the chance to spend very much time

with him. Well, we were all up in trucky the size. So this is fast-forward a year later, right? And we got to work out together. And all we did in the workout was I broke down his deadlift, the way he walked up to the bar, the way he got everything tight, the way he got the slack out of the bar. It's all we focused for the entire hour. This has been now what we went up there and Thanksgiving's been about a month, right? He's literally texting me every single week, a PR and squat and deadlift, every single week.

You could have taken it through 15 exercises. I did, I taught him all these different things last year that he tried to apply, that he's been trying to mess with it, and then all we did this last time, because I was there with him for multiple days, was technique, technique on this thing, and just perfecting every little nuance of it since then he's been texting me every workout.

That funny. Uncle, I just hit a PR here. Uncle, I just hit a PR and I'm like, dude, see that's how that's just it, right there. It's not about all this other shit that you wanna do that everybody wants you to do. It's like get, get proficient at that. It's the difference between a cardio kickboxing class

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