Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2253: Trap Bar Vs. Conventional Deadlifts, Spider Curls Vs. Preacher Curls, Early Signs of Overtraining & More

Episode Date: January 19, 2024

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page.  Mind Pump Fit Tip: Use strength training to combat the negative effects of getting older. (2:37) A young boy’s energy holds NO bounds. (19:02) Losing sleep over releasing ChatGPT into the world. (32:59) Are streaming services being primed for disruption? (34:53) What’s Mind Pump watching? (40:50) Fun Facts with Justin: Night vision goggles. (48:48) Using peptides with Caldera for skin health. (50:20) The power that your diet has on your mental health. (55:56) Shout out to The Pursuit of Wellness Podcast: Ep. 64 – How to Lose Weight, Gain Muscle & Feel Your Best w/ Sal Di Stefano of Mind Pump. (59:27) #Quah question #1 - What is the difference between a trap bar for deadlifts and a straight bar? I was listening to Rogan, and he said they are safer. Should I be using a trap bar? (1:00:23) #Quah question #2 - What are the pros/cons of (barbell) spider curls vs. (barbell) preacher curls? I feel more from spider curls with a straight bar. (1:05:52) #Quah question #3 - Is it possible to over-prime before a workout? Should I consider sets of priming movements “working sets” for any particular body part? (1:08:53) #Quah question #4 - What are some early signs of overtraining or too much weekly intensity? (1:12:17) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit Caldera Lab for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout for 20% off your first order of their best products ** Special Launch: Mind Pump Fitness Coaching Course ** Promo code 200OFF at checkout for $200 off ** January Promotion: New Year’s Resolutions Special Offers!! New to Weightlifting Bundle | Body Transformation Bundle | New Year Extreme Intensity Bundle Body | Transformation Bundle 2.0  Why Older Men Should Lift Weights - Rogue Health and Fitness Encopresis | Psychology Today OpenAI CEO Sam Altman Says He Is Losing Sleep Over ChatGPT Peacock Game Likely Cost NFL More Than 10 Million Viewers Confirmed: Red NVG "starlight scope" caused soldiers to see demons The Ketogenic Diet for Refractory Mental Illness: A Retrospective Analysis of 31 Inpatients The Pursuit of Wellness Podcast: Ep. 64 – How To Lose Weight, Gain Muscle & Feel Your Best w/ Sal Di Stefano of Mind Pump Visit Seed for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code 25MINDPUMP at checkout for 25% off your first month’s supply of Seed’s DS-01® Daily Synbiotic** Mind Pump #1530: Why Warm-Ups Are A Waste Of Time Adam Schafer’s DEEP Squat Mobility Secrets | Behind The Scenes at Mind Pump Mind Pump #1142: Nine Signs You Are Overtraining Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Brian Kula (@kulasportsperformance) Instagram Jonathan Pageau (@jonathan.pageau) Instagram Adeel Khan, MD (@dr.akhan) Instagram   Mari Llewellyn (@marillewellyn) Instagram

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with getting older, loss of mobility, weakening of the bones, hormone dysfunction, mitochondrial dysfunction, in other words, low energy, insulin insensitivity, or blood sugar issues, all of these, all of them, are directly combated with one form of exercise above all others. Strength training, strength training is literally

the closest you can get to the fountain of youth. If you're getting older and you want to prevent all those negative things, go lift weights. Nothing will do you better. Red this interesting study on older people in the strength training. You guys want to hear some of the results?

Yeah, that'll blow your mind. I mean, so- Just you or you just found out. That was a new one. Oh, it's new. Now, you guys- These days keep coming out. You guys know this. You're, so just you or you just, that was a new one. Oh, it's new. Now you guys, these days keep coming out. You guys know this,

you know, you're not gonna be surprised by this, but a lot of people will be surprised by this because I think that a lot of people, they accept the myth that as you get older, it's just like, oh, it's just what happens. You know, you're gonna feel like crap or whatever. I, at one point, trained a lot of people

in advanced age, I'd say the back half of my career. And I loved it because it was so, it was, everybody was always mind blown when they'd see what happened to themselves and their family members on that. But anyway, here's a study. They took a group of men between 16 and 75. Okay, so advanced age. And they trained them for 16 weeks doing traditional strength training. Now it's at high intensity strength training, but it wasn't trained to failure. It was just like traditional strength training. After less than four months of training, okay?

Their body fat percentage dropped by three percentage points. By the way, there was no dietary interventions whatsoever. So they didn't change their diet at all. They lost 3% body fat. Their muscle strength increased from 50 to 80%. So a 30% increase in muscle strength and everybody's VO2 max dramatically improved. Just from 16-

No cardio in their age group. That's it. Oh wow. It was a couple days a week of strength training. Wow. Did they have any previous experiences? No. No, just took of, nope.

Just took the average person and had them lift weights in that age group. Now that's a, keep that in mind. You're 70 years old. You go, and of course you have to do this appropriately and properly. So, strength, like any form of exercise or anything, you gotta do it right, right?

So, they were obviously being monitored on how to do proper technique and form and what the right intensity and weight wasn't on stuff. Yeah. But you know, you're a seven year old, I don't think, I think most seven year olds, unless they've done this before, would not expect in 16 weeks, they don't think they're gonna get progress like that.

They don't think they're gonna build 30% Yeah, that's a lot. More strength in 16 weeks or lose 3% body fat. I bet you have. Without changing your diet, people would think like five, maybe like two to five percent, you know, change. Exactly. Like 30s ridiculous.

And that's, I'm going to tell you this right now, when I trained older people or people in the sage group, those first, you, of course, you got strong when you saw things in the first four months, but it got faster and faster because it takes three to six months just to start to develop the skill acquisition required to do some of the most effective exercises. Some of the exercises that I would do with someone who's 68, we're not able to do a bench press or a barbell squad or a deadlift. We're doing like sit down, stand up off of a chair. I'm having them, you know, do some like super elevated pushups off of an elevated bar,

almost like you're doing them off a wall. We're doing maybe cable rows, probably band rows. We're doing, you know, static stability type exercise. I haven't even got them to the part yet what we're doing the most effective squatting deadlifting over a pressing big way. No, and then the ones that I did train for years, after training with them,

about moving into like eight, nine, 10, 11 months, then we start doing like I'd have them pull a bar off the rack, so we can start practicing things like a deadlift. We start squatting, maybe holding dumbbells. And at some point, I'd have them hold a bar across the front of their shoulders, because that's easier to do than a back squat. And then you'd see, this, what they said,

this 30% increase in strength, oh, it would just accelerate. And then it would just get crazy. And they'd just be blown away. And I used to love it because their family members would be the ones to call me, their kids, would always call me up and be like, dude, I don't know what you're doing to my mom, but she's like, she's on fire, or you know, my dad's like,

I have, I remember one guy trained, he was 73, retired anesthesiologist, super smart guy, very sharp still. In fact, he was, his sense of humor was so dark, I was like, almost embarrassed, nobody heard, half the jokes he would say, but I remember his, his daughter called me and said, well, I don't know what you're doing with my dad. We are never gonna stop him training with you.

He'd mode his own lawn. She's like, he hasn't mode his lawn in like 15 years. He actually went outside and decided to mode his own lawn. How crazy is that? It's right. But all those things are directly combated with strength training. And I wish people knew this.

I wish they needed that that fountain of youth actually existed. Aging, it's just that it's a long period of these habits that you accumulate. And it's like whether or not they're beneficial or they're not beneficial, that's what you're gonna feel going on into the later years.

And so to be able to strengthen train and to sort of slow that process down and maintain able strength, I mean, that's everything. It really isn't like, oh no, that's just happened to me. People think aging, it's just like all of a sudden, I just get all these pains automatically. Yeah, I wish, so here's your evidence for people who are like, oh, is this really, would this be me?

I've used this example before, but I think it illustrates it beautifully, right? So if you were to picture the typical 25 year old kid and then put them next to a 25 year old kid that like works out four days a week and you had them stand next to each other. My old difference. With the shirts off, right?

Had them do things outside, had them be active. I mean, you could tell a difference. Oh, that person works out and that person doesn't. Take a 75-year-old that exercises consistently and has been for years and have them stand next to your typical 75-year-old. The, it's so drastically different. It's so different that the difference isn't,

oh, that one looks like they work out. The only one does it. It's so different that the difference isn't, oh, that one looks like they work on it. One doesn't, it's literally, that one needs assisted living or help is on 15 different medications. And that person's life has basically not changed. They are doing everything they were doing before. They look decades younger. Yeah.

Not like a little bit, it's like decades of a difference. Yeah, it's massive. It's so big. We had, I wanted you, you brought up like talking about advanced age clients and, you know, and you're not even squatting or deadlifting or doing some of the big movements

that you reap the most benefits from. And you reminded me of something that I wanted to address on the podcast together because I know it's, I know it's gonna create conversation on in our forum and from people that listen to us. Doug, is Brian Kula's episode live, or will it be live when this is up? I don't think so.

Not yet, okay, so that's cool. We could talk about it beforehand though, because I wanna address it anyways, because I know we're gonna get stuff. What a great interview, first of all. It was a great conversation, brilliant coach. I think all of us really, really enjoyed that. But he said something on there

that I know that people are gonna think is a counter to something that we would say. Oh yeah. And he talked about if he had the option, he would not backload, or not do backloaded squats at all in a program for his athletes. And that's not something that I think that people would assume that we would necessarily agree with because we promote squatting and deadlifting so much and acquiring that skill

and how valuable and the biggest bang for your buck. Even at the athletic level, right? We talk about like when you're a young athlete and you're just getting into weight training and you're just getting into your sport, you know, getting a good squat or a deadlift is one of the best things that you could do to transfer over to your sport. And then we have this great coach or trainer

that comes on and says like, oh, he would eliminate that from his program. And so yet, I think we all agree with what he said. I think it's important that we make clear to the audience when they get a chance to listen to it. What we agree with, and even though you hear us talk and promote what's, why is that different? You know, like how does that work? It mirrors what some studies

will show where they'll take a 12 week study, they'll take an untrained group of people, typically college aged males, but let's just say whatever untrained group of people, and we'll compare a leg press to a barbell back squat in a, let's say, 12 week period, which one builds more muscle? And in some of those studies, the leg press will win.

And so everybody goes, oh, the leg press is much more effective. But the reason why those studies show that is because the skill acquisition required to do a proper barbell squat, it takes a lot longer to leg press. I can take the average person off the street and within four workouts, they're gonna leg press fine.

The average person off the street is gonna take me months of work, of mobility, because it's just such a, it's a more challenging exercise to do a barbell squat. So a lot of things, a lot more things are involved. So how does this, so in other words, you're not going to see the benefits of the barbell squat start to beat the leg press until later. And then it will, it'll crush it. Now, how does this connect it to what he was doing? Well, when you're a, when you coach athletes and you got to get them ready for a season, and you're watching them work out,

you're like, I gotta do the exercise, it's gonna get me the fastest results, the most effective results for this time period. And if the skill acquisition required, or what's gonna take them to squat well, is gonna take up all that time, I'm gonna waste my time doing it. So that was one of the reasons.

That was one of the main reasons. And that's why I wanted to bring it up because I think so many people will hear the message and misinterpret what he's saying and what we say, which is that it'll be like, oh, he doesn't think squats are good and you guys think, and it's like, no, it's not that simple.

It's you have to really pay attention to what he's saying. It's like, I've got a limited time and what you're assuming when he says that too is you're assuming that, so he's assessed this kid and the kid doesn't, he's never squatted before or doesn't have a good squat. Therefore, I don't even want to mess with that. I don't have the time frame. And we did get a chance, I believe, to talk to him about it. If not, we know we did an off-air.

It's like, now if a kid has got a good squat, I'll raise it. He can use it. And it'd be very well, because he's already acquired that skill and he can reap a lot of benefits from it. And plus, too, I don't know if it came across, but like in multiple other interviews he's had, like he talks about like using it

as a foundational base for like a, it's an upcoming athlete. And like that's, that's the biggest difference, right? Like it is, it is a part of the overall strength conversation. And this is something that is a skill you need to acquire. But then like moving forward in terms of like your specific sport and you start to kind of evaluate them in terms of then like focusing more on that skill or focusing on the things

that move the knee of the most and generate the most force and power where you want to generate the most force and power. And also to like risk reward, like in terms of then the athletes longevity in the sport. Yeah, look, you buy a bunch of regular cars off the law and you wanna make them faster as fast as possible. You give them big engines.

Go give me a formula one car, tell me to make it faster. Throwing a bigger engine and there's gonna make it, now in fact, probably not even work, okay? It's gonna get much more detailed and intricate. He's working with high, high level athletes. He's like, I'm not trying to build a base of strength here with these guys, they got him, there we got it. I'm trying to look at the fine tuning.

Here's another example. If you gave me a boxer and you said he's going to do an MMA fight in 10 weeks. So in other words, he's going to be fighting people that know how to grapple and do Jiu-Jitsu. All he does is know how to box. I'm not going to try and make him a Jiu-Jitsu master in 10 weeks. He's going to his ass kick. All I'm going to do is I'm going to teach him how to sprawl. We're going to focus on how to not go to the ground because if you go to the ground you're dead. So let's just focus all of our attention on that right now because that's all we got.

We only got 10 minutes. So that's basically, you know, the breakdown or the run. Yeah, I just wanted to do a dress it before it came up because I know people are going to hear that episode and you know what's going to happen is people are going to think that we disagree. And this is a classic example too of what happens so much on the internet, right? How many times have we been tagged in something that one of our friends or peers is talking about and be like, well, see what he says,

and then saying, well, context matters. Like it's not, when we're designing something as far as an exercise program, a diet, a training regimen for someone getting ready for a sport, there's so many moving variables that you can't just take these blanket statements that we say or anybody else says and be like, oh, this is the end all be all.

And it's like, actually, we totally agree. You have to take the context. Look, Adam, if somebody hired you and said, look, I don't care about anything else, I just want to get as lean as possible in 12 weeks. I don't care about anything else. Just give me as lean as possible in 12 weeks, versus a person hires you.

And it's like, I'm going to get lean. I want to stay lean for the rest of my life. Totally different approach. Yeah, completely different conversation. 12 weeks versus a person higher as you and is like, I'm gonna get lean. I must stay lean for the rest of my life. Right. Totally different approach. Yeah. Completely completely different conversation. Getting as lean as possible in 12 weeks is I'm gonna do a lot of stuff that I know is not gonna stick. You're gonna gain the way back. It's not gonna be the best thing Whatever, but that's what you want sure. That's what we're gonna give you. Right. Right. And who are we communicating to? I'm not communicating. We're talking to people who look the goal is get people to do this forever. Mm-hmm. I'm not trying to get you to perform for a season and then come flesh shape for yourself

or whatever. Optimize the individual. Yeah, not the general, like everything, that's the thing. All these camps, they just, they feed off of generalities and you know, to get into the nuance is always that that's like, that's what a real good trainer, a good coach is going to get into that domain. But to go back to aging, we're probably a decade away from the standard care when it comes to improving the health through non-medical intervention ways of people as a good older, it's going to be strength training. It's not going to be the treadmill, it's not going to be... I was going to ask you if you believe that still or not. 100%. Because sometimes... is gonna be strength training. It's not gonna be the treadmill, it's not gonna be, it's gonna be, I was gonna ask you if you believe that still or not.

100% because sometimes like, 100% sometimes I wonder if it's just our, we're in our little bubble, you know? Well, you know why? Well, you know why I say that the data now is so, is becoming so common in the medical sphere, then I'm saying doctors talk about it this way. What gives me hope is I go in the grocery store and I've seen the tabloids now, like talking

about strength training, how to build muscle and it's not like cardio driven covers. Oh, interesting, which I thought was an interesting shift, which I hadn't seen before. Is there, are you talking about the time magazine one? I saw the same thing. There's one, yeah, for there, there's also one for, I don't know, some oxygen or, you know, one of those magazines that are usually full crap. But yeah, so at least like some of the

sort of mainstream legacy stuff is kind of moving that direction. Who knows? Interesting. Yeah, I think we're getting there. We're about to deck it away. It's gonna be, you know why the return for the time invested is so, you can't beat it, you know why the return for the time invested is so, you can't beat it. You know, like

if you took, if you gave me a care home with elderly, and you said, you know, what's one thing we could do that, you know, we're not going to give you much time. We're going to give you 45 minutes a week with them. You're just going to have 45 minutes a week with them. That's it. once a week. It's like, oh, we're gonna do strength training. I need some bands and I need some chairs, and that's it, and that's all we're gonna do 45 minutes a week.

There's no other activity I could do with them for 45 minutes that would come even close to the benefits that they would get from literally 45 minutes of strength training once a week. In fact, that was how I trained. It's effective, be efficient. That was the average client that I had at that age group. They would come in and it was typically about 45 minutes.

It would be like 15 minutes of warm and up, doing thing they're like, maybe, you know, we do like three exercises once a week. And that was it. And everybody's minds would get blown on how awesome it was. Oh, yeah. I wanna hear about, you had like a party or something. You're talking about, you know what I said? I'll hear all about this just because it was. Oh, yeah. I wanna hear about, you had like a party or something.

You're talking about, yeah. What's that? I'll hear all about this just because it was nuts. Yeah, someone's hosting a WrestleMania at his house. Wait, what is it? So what was happening? So, my, yeah, Everett, his birthday party, we had to like host it because his actual birthday is gonna,

we're gonna be in Texas for his like, gymnastics tournament. And so we're like, we gotta do some kind of party, you know, with your friends. And so like Courtney and I kind of decided, well, we can have the kids over and they'll like kind of muck out on video game, hang out, do a sleepover, do all that kind of thing.

And then the next day we would do the ropes course that actually was near my old house, but like it was like, it looked like a lot of fun and so we kind of set all that up, but the sleepover, yeah. So we had, these kids were just, and I forgot, I guess what it's like to be like really excited and like energetic,

it was like a 10, 11 year old boy, you know, like they were like, that energy was like a lot. It was so much. I did not know what to do with this energy. It was like six boys, you know, just like running. Like they didn't just stop, like everywhere they go, if they had to go find something, they'd just run and go get it.

Like, ah! This one kid just would scream. And he just just like stop screaming No, like let's not do that. I seriously like it would send shock waves down like Courtney I would just be like this just huddled over the corner. You couldn't hide And it was just like madness, right and at this one point. I'm trying not to like you know throw this kid under the bus or anything but like Great kid. He just we we noticed something like there was something a little off and One of those kids was like wearing the VR goggles and you know So I had all these things set up so they could play have little stations and like you know

Do their thing and he was kind of by himself playing on the Oculus and I walked by and I was like, I was like, did somebody step in something? And I kind of walked by and like, I definitely smelled something. And I was like, Courtney, you might want to do a little walk around and like, and like, dude, this kid should have his pants. Whoa!

We were just like, oh no. Did he know? I think I don't know if how you don't know. Well here's the thing, it's like, well if he's still playing, this used to happen and again, like, I don't know what, the phenomenon.

Maybe this used to happen. I mean I've happened to me before. So, yeah, that's all right. Real quick. I had to throw away, you know, that's all be cool. There's a fan called I want to say it's called Cornispa, Quarecio, CEO, CEO RN ESPI or something like that. It's a condition That's related to trauma. I suffer from this. So after my dad's

Bro, you're gonna make me make you feel better. I'm not being sad about it. So I'm being crazy. I'm being delicate. Yeah, you know. Okay, so listen, so I'm eight years old and then all of a sudden I eight, nine years old, I start shooting my pants and what it is is that I hold it and hold it and hold it and don't go to the restroom. Never did that before.

Now I don't know, like as a kid, I'm not processing really what I'm doing, but I'm embarrassed as fuck as I'm at an age where that doesn't happen anymore. So I'm like, and you probably am pro so I'm gonna get mad at you about it. Oh yeah, no, my mom beat the shit out of me over and she didn't even know what it was,

what it was connected to later on. It wasn't until later that they tell me that, and so it's a lot of times directly, maybe did you find it yet for me, Doug? Yeah, I think it's called end coprisis. Yeah, end coprisis, that's what it is. And it's careful, man. Yeah, I think it's called end coprisis. Yeah, end copris- that's what it is. And it's parable man. It's connected to trauma.

And it's like the kids, the kid is- I can't just hold it, hold it. Yeah, you just hold it, hold it, hold it, and then it happens. And then you find yourself in a situation where you're like, you're trying to hide it. So I remember hiding like my shit, my underwear, and fucking people's houses,

and trying to flush it down a toilet, and the toilet overflowing. Oh yeah, like as a kid at that age. There's a little bit of that. Oh, I feel bad. So is it because. I'm super excited. I think it was because like every,

all the kids were so excited and like he just didn't even pay attention to his body, you know, signals with that. And so it was at a point where he's just like kind of, I think it happened. He was still so enamored with the game and all this. And so anyway, so this puts us in a bit of a conundrum, right? So I was like, we got to figure this out. So he didn't get embarrassed by all the other kids didn't know.

Any of this was going down. I was like, Courtney and I were just like locking. Okay, we got to figure this out. And we're like Rochembo and to see who's gonna like you know asking like hey bud you know like and trying like address it right and I was like no no no it's like we gotta think of something else. It's so I was like okay so I lost the Rochembo I gotta come up with a plan. So I was like okay here's what we're gonna do. It's getting late like we're they're already eating and everything and like I was like okay they're already eating and everything and like, I was like, okay,

they're all just kind of running around. I'm gonna stop at what everybody's doing and make them all individually go put their jammies on and just kind of like coordinate it like all these other kids first and then this and so then I got to him like, okay, I go put your jammies on and so he was able to go into the bathroom and like change

to all that stuff and like get rid of it and then we kind of tracked him and monitored where he put it and then we tried to hide it. He tried to hide it and then we found it right and then Courtney was able to go get it and then put it in the laundry and then wash it and everything and then I distracted them while they were still playing and so I was like, you guys are the life saver. And then so she washed it dried guys was life-savoring. And then, so she washed it, dried it, was able to put it back. He still had to smell a little funky,

but you know, like he at least, like wasn't like to the point where all his friends were gonna be like, dude. Bro, you saved his life. Yeah, as I said, I told myself, you were completely under cover. That kid's gonna be indebted to you when you get in the house.

Oh, forever. Well, because if it happens in front of your friends at that age, dude, right? Like how embarrassing. I knew a kid in fourth grade should himself, and he's always that kid now. Yeah, forever. Yeah, yeah.

He's always the kid, high school college. He was always the memory that I do have of it because I don't have a lot of memory. So do they know why is it because you're just connected to your feelings or something? Or so, I mean, look, read the definition. It says that there's a lot of it. There's a lot of it.

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and you just kept prolonging it, prolonging until it happens. And then you're like, fuck. And then you, then as a kid that age, where you're aware of like, this is not good, my friends are gonna find out, you trying to hide it or disguise it or figure out that. And oh yeah, that went on for like, I wanna say a good year to two years after,

maybe not two, probably, probably felt like two years to me as a kid, it was probably a year after, right after my dad's death before he got so, but for the last time, my parents didn't, they didn't know this until I think they finally got to a point where they were like, this is weird, because he didn't do any of this stuff before.

Now, son, he's doing this. And then I think this is where we got diagnosed with this and then got told, wow. And then did you have to see somebody? I mean, I remember I was in therapy as a kid for a, yeah, so after my dad's death, like we were in family therapy and then one-on-one therapy. So I've been in and out of that stuff my whole life.

And I don't ever remember like having a breakthrough or salt like he just never was a problem. Yeah. We came a certain point in my life where it was no longer an issue, but it was a period of time that I know that it happened right after my dad. That was the only reason why it makes,

I think I knew there was something off for different. Yeah, of course. Because it was like never before and then all of a sudden that starts happening at that age of your older, it shouldn't be happening at that point anymore. I was obviously well potty trained before that. And then the memories that I have of it

is only like I can remember playing video games and I can remember being at friends houses and things like that. I was holding it and then being like super embarrassed of like trying to fucking get rid of the underwear and do also. Oh yeah, totally right? Yeah, that's the last time I did.

I was 13 or 14. I was even older. But it wasn't for any of the reason that I could, I was shit last time I did I was 13 or 14 I was even older But it wasn't me for any of the reason then then I could I told you guys My bathing suit not was too tight I could get it It was one of those like fart to shark cut a moment. So yeah, oh no dude I had a full on yeah, it was not good and then I was stuck in the bathroom While everybody's swimming and I just had my short my bangs your shorts on and I was like, what do I do now? Oh my god Oh, yeah, let me tell you I made it I figured it out. Yeah, yeah

Yeah, I don't know how I got away or maybe I didn't Yeah, when you got a big house party like that with these kids do you do you just let them go all night? Or do you have a bedtime? Oh, what happens? Yeah yeah, I don't, I don't. So it was like constant kind of monitor. I mean, I kind of came in with, I let them go up to a certain point. I think it was like 1130 and I started to kind of crack, you know, crack down on, on the noise. So really, I was like, okay, I put a movie on and then had them all in the living room. And so we actually put a mattress there and everything too. And so it was like, here's, you know, everybody's here. You don't have to sleep, but you gotta be quiet.

You know, and so that's really just the rules. And so a couple of times they would like giggle on like, start laughing and then the one kid screaming again, but, ah! Come out there. The screaming. The screaming dude. Oh!

But yeah, so I had to regulate a few times, but it was like, it wasn't too bad. Like, there are. They were just really excited. So we tried, like, I got terrible sleep. Yeah. Of course. But like, the next morning we went and we went to the ropes course and it was. Do you make them all breakfast the next day?

We had it. How's that work? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just scramble up some eggs. Well, Courtney had, it's like, it's some sourdough w work? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just scrambled up some eggs. Well, Courtney had, it's like, it's some sourdough waffles and so I did all that. She's a real good cook these days. I'll be honest. Yeah, she does.

That's a good thing for them. So he's held in your turn. So he's going to be 11. So yeah. So this is right before, because in a couple years, if you do a sleepover, you can't fall asleep first, at least. They don't do that yet, at the same time. Oh, no. That happens later.

You can't fall asleep all night long. You don't want to fall asleep. You just even hang out with him when he has his friends at the dentist. He'd take off and go somewhere and do something else. What do you mean you can do? Yeah, so he actually, it was interesting because he was kind of like complaining about it. Nobody coming in my room and like lock you in the door. And it's like, hey, relax guy, you know, like, don't give a shit

breath. We'll see how long this lasts. Yeah, nobody cared. You know, okay, see you, dude. But then he finally came in when he found out what kind of video games are playing, you know, and like somebody put like Fortnite on his like, oh, oh, dude, you want to do this? And did he do it?

And he's saying all the terms that the Same like the cool. They're like the cool. He's trying to be like this cool thing and I know this cool thing and I'm just like Yeah, you know, it was cringe. Yeah, I had a buddy He started hanging out with him. I had a buddy who had an older sister and she was only a few years older So she would have sleepovers and he would love that I tell you He would love and sister would have sleepovers. He would love and assist her with half sleepovers. Oh, my sister had sleepovers last night. I was peeking through the door, trying to see what they were doing.

My sister had sleepovers. We used to torture all her friends. That was the thing that we used to do. Really? Yeah, yeah, my sister would tell you all kinds of stuff. Oh, my three-year-old, and that was a big age gap between him and his sister because my daughter's 14.

But she has, if she has her, especially one friend, she has one friend, he is like smitten. He is. Oh yeah, doors are weird about it. He's only three, but he makes this like kind of like in bear space and like puts his hands in the pockets. It tries to act cool. He's three years old.

He's a whole, yeah. So he tries to act cool. And he's always like, hey, look, he'll do some weird thing to show off. You know, I can do this. Just like his dad, dude, that's crazy. Yeah. I'll just like you so much. We're all like that, dude.

Yeah. Yeah. It's funny, cuz you did, even though I scored your mom. Yeah. Yeah. You knew this, yeah. These kids actually impressed me though. They were like really physically driven.

I saw you, it's not, I was thinking about it. I was like, of course, in Justin's house, he gets all these kids, takes, there's taking all their shirt off and they're taking turns. That was even mine. Wow, and into each other, taking, they're all tackling each other.

Oh, were they? Oh, you see that video? Well, they were all, they would, they would, they had, you know, the giant, we all have those giant bean bags, right? The lovesops, and then one kid would, would stand there, and then the other kids would line up,

and take turns, and they'll get tackled on them into the thing, and they're all like, shoulder- and like full on blasting each other. Like, oh God, when his kids would get hurt and Justin's gonna be fucking liable. I was actually like, I started to get worried. I had to shut it down because it was getting really like, they're turning. Yeah, one of the kids dropped his shoulder and like, through a nice like, I was like, oh, that's dumb.

Yeah. And I think what's fun is because like one of the kids, his older brother, like I coached him at the high school. And so he knew that I was like a football coach and so he's like, hey, just watch this and you just like, just destroyed this kid. And I was like, whoa, that's good.

Do you guys remember, I was just thinking about, I was like, who was I talking? I was talking to someone the other day. I think it was you, Doug. And I was talking about how when I was a kid and I did judo, you know You throw each other in judo. So I'm 13 years old. We just get thrown all the time. It's part of the training Yeah, I went back as an adult in my late 20s early 30s

I think and I was like I don't this hurts Now you throw me and I let you and I fall properly it just hurts now Yeah, remember that like them tacking hurts now. Yeah. Remember that? Like them tackling each other. How would that feel to us if we're like, hey bro, hit me a hardy can of this bean bag. I know. We'd be messed up afterwards.

Yeah, give me a little help, though. I'm like, I don't know. You know, not all these kids are just like little weenies. Yeah. Some of them still have tough stuff. Hey, speaking of little weenies or whatever, I keep bringing these articles. You know Sam Elson?

What? Wow. Terrible transition. I didn't mean it like that. I'm speaking about little weenies or whatever I keep reading these articles you know Sam I'll you know Wow Transition I didn't mean like that Speaking about little weenies. Let me tell you what I read on the weekends Awkward check out this website. I No, no, I was reading about Sam Altman. You know, he's one of the founders of the chat chbT right opening I would open the yeah, and He's he's coming out and saying somebody interviewed him and said you know what are your biggest challenges where because I lose sleep over the fact that we

release that he regrets releasing AI out into the world really he does already because he's the most scary his biggest fears are are that there's gonna be people with bad intentions, we're gonna create evil algorithms. And how these, like he's like, we won't be able to control it. It's gonna be, yeah. You know what's so funny? You're like, duh. I mean, how, what, you're developing that

and that never cross, you know, as all these people are, that like never cross your mind, that's some nefarious person at one point will get hold of this. That's what drives us. Who's the guy's name? Who's the guy's name? The symbol is a expert. What was his name?

Love John Peugeot. He talks about this as a driver. It's like a, like we can't stop it. It's this driver that we have. It's like the development of a nuclear weapon of nuclear bomb. We know it's bad that we're making this. We know this technology's terrible. We know that once we create this,

it's like there's no turning back. We're just like geared to do it anyway. We're geared to do it because we don't want the other guy to do it first. So that's 100% with striving AI. Every single person making it right now and working with it is like, this is dangerous. We had to figure it out before the other guy

through your show. And it just keeps driving us to our potential destruction. Yeah. Yeah. So wild. Yeah. It's like technology, future, some of that. One of the ongoing debates that we've had on this podcast

is the whole streaming service stuff. Yeah. So I don't know, Justin, I know you're busy. So I don't know if you watched football this weekend or not, but one of the interesting things that they did was, so this year, Amazon Prime bought the rights to Thursday night football. So if you watch football,

so football plays Monday night, footballers game, Thursday night, there's one game, and then Sunday is traditionally football, okay. And Thursday night was purchased by Amazon. So now, if you wanna watch Thursday night football, you also have to have Amazon Prime. So it forces you to have that. Well, this weekend, and I didn't even know this was coming,

we're all sitting there watching the game, and then the second game comes on, and none of the normal broadcasting channels have it on, and you have to have peacock in order to watch this one game. So you have these big streaming services now that are starting to purchase the ESPN own ESPN owns Sunday night. So you have ESPN app you have to have for that. You have to have the prime.

This feel like it's just it's just lack of a better term. It's prime for disruption. So it seems like such a. That's why the reason why I'm bringing it up is I have a place still going back to my original argument that it's gonna frustrate the consumer. So remember, you guys are using, oh, it's gonna be very all a card and everybody have those things. It's gotten the point now where if I have like just a sport like football that I'm into,

you don't need to be into a bunch of all the other stuff out there, but just that one sport is getting disrupted by so many streaming services that I need to have seven of them just to get the games that I want. And so I'm having to, and then it's like, when I look at the price, I'm like, wait a second, I'm paying more than what I was paying for the stupid satellite and the cable stuff. So, let's look at the ESPN app that I had to do just for pay-per-view anymore for any fight or anything to watch.

Yes. So, I just feel, you know, exactly, I think it's getting prime for disruption that somebody is going to come in, one of the big players, Amazon Apple, one of them, I think, and they're going to just buy up them. What the market seemed to follow is that there's this, like something happens, so like this, like oh, media, you know, TV, radio, whatever, then it becomes scattered in the sense that

it's not one source, what's the word I'm looking for when it's not first-fired? Maybe word I'm looking for when it's not- Versified. Maybe diversified, but there's another word for it. And then it starts to consolidate again, and then it becomes truly diversified or spread out. So like if you look at the internet, if you look at phone services, if you look at, you know, it's like, oh, we only have two services.

There's like three companies that know all the food in the world, but then what happens over time is it then becomes even more scattered. So it's probably gonna happen like you're saying. There's probably gonna be two or three major providers. And then it's gonna get scattered. Is it making myths like having scheduled television? Yeah, yeah. Sometimes I reflect back on that.

I'm like, oh, Friday nights, and then you kind of like look forward to it. It's consistency. Like, we send too many damn choices all the time and just like too much that we're having to drive. You know, it's like somebody needs to like take the steering wheel and give us something that's consistent and like I can count on this.

Yeah, decentralized. That's what I was looking for. Yeah, decentralized. Yeah, it goes from decentralized to centralized then it becomes very decentralized. That's what I was looking for. Yeah, decentralized. Yeah, it goes from decentralized to centralized. Then it becomes very decentralized. Well, I saw it because even Disney, I think they're they're moving into merging with Hulu, right? And that's their whole thing is like trying to because they're just losing Just like people like being subscribed to their Disney plus, but yeah, that's an interesting company because it's just like After all the acquisitions,

they basically bought like every amazing franchise you could possibly hope for. And I think, you know, obviously that bit him in the ass because that was so much money that they vested into that. So it was a lot of work. You know, you had to wonder the place. What's the, Doug, what's the fail rate on acquisitions is like, it's like 78.

Yeah, so like, you know, and if your culture's just never aligned, like you'd hope. Yeah, I, you know, I, so I always wonder like, what's the strategy on like someone like Disney to acquire, like you're saying, Hulu, ESPN, which they own those. If, if acquisitions fail 80% of the time, I mean, you're pretty much caring team.

At least one of those is gonna fail. It's not gonna work. Why would you do it? But, you know, maybe at that point, you can, it's not just about, you know, it being successful or not, it's literally just acquiring the attention. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, it's gonna lose initially. The long play is that we just,

we garner more attention. What is it? Between 70 and 90% of all acquisitions fail. Mergers and acquisitions. Mergers and acquisitions, that's crazy. That's so crazy. But the ones that could seed, I wonder what the odds are, like how well they do, you know what I mean? So like the 10 to 30% that do succeed,

it's probably massive. Yeah, and again, back to my point, is I wonder how they feel. I think what's a good acquisition of a number of things. Oh, 24th fitness was. With what? It was 24th fitness was with what? It was 24th not a list and Ray Wilson's family fitness.

I don't know if that would constitute that because they were both small. Yeah, there weren't 24th not a list had 72 locations. Ray Wilson's family fitness had 60 or something like that. Okay, so then you know, that was big. And then they, okay, so that you could count that. Yeah. There's, I mean, there's not a lot. I mean, what didn't, um, uh, Amazon bought whole

foods recently, right in the last couple of years, right? That's going to have worked out. Didn't, uh, was it Facebook bought Instagram at one point? That worked out. And YouTube was, uh, was like Google, Google about that. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. What's. Yeah. What's thrown in this number too is a lot of companies who never heard of. Well, and I also want to too, if that, like, what's thrown in this number is like, is again, like comparing those independently, like, oh, Marvel was doing this good by itself. Now it gets acquired and it's not doing that good.

Therefore, it's a fail. But yet, Disney still acquired, you know, 50,000, 50,000 more viewers than it did. The names are bad on top of, I don't know, yeah, because of all the already successful franchises they acquired. Speaking of movies, I watched a path. We haven't finished it.

Jessica wanted to watch the Barbie movie. Have you guys seen that yet? What's wrong with it? I'm so, no, I tried it, but we tried to watch it. It's fucking horrible. Okay, so I watched. And how does it get, how did you even try it so? Yeah, continue and I put it on this weekend.

People loved it. People loved it. You got 80 and 80 something on this. So I haven't finished it yet. I'm gonna finish it because, yeah, it's entertaining. I can see why people like it. I was not a big fan, but there was, so I'm only halfway through it

because we had to stop the kids woke up from their nap, so we'll finish it tonight. But the part that cracked me up is, you know, I don't know if I'm gonna do a spoiler alert here. It's been out for a while, so whatever. There's Barbie land. And in Barbie land, it's like, all the Barbies run the world and everything's about this.

And you know, women do everything, whatever. And all the kens are just basically like waiting for Barbie come and get their culture. Yeah, that's a big deal for Ken to get Barbie to look at. Just to get noticed, right? Yeah. Then they go to the real not having the anatomy. No, they talk about that in their level blob of,

yeah, no, of flat-to-go-nub. Then he go, so then they go to the real world. Okay, and this is the part that crack me up. They're in the real world and Ken breaks off for a second and he sees like, he walks by a gym and there's dudes that are like fist pumping and like hitting the bag. Then he goes to like a library and he looks at the money

and it's got like all these men as the, you know, faces on there and all the presidents and he's like, oh, I like this place. I was laughing so hard. That part of me laughs. It's like this place is cool. I do it to cool here. It seems cool, man.

But then he tries to apply for jobs. He tries to be a doctor. The doctor's like, you have no education, you have no PhD, whatever he was, yeah, but I'm a man. Should I get the job? I'm a man. They're like, we're good, right? It doesn't work that way. You're doing a terrible job for the patriarchy.

And the guy looks at him, he looks around, he's like, we just do a better, we hide it now. He's like, but sorry, I can't hire you. I was just gonna get a splar. That was the funny part. Oh, yeah, we could even finish it. Katrina was like, say that. That was the funny part. Yeah, we could even finish it. Katrina was like, I should like it. Yeah, I know she was like not having it.

I mean, I definitely wasn't into it either. I think we got, we didn't even get that far. I don't think we got that far at all. So we probably got a third, maybe at the most, into it was like, no, no, no. I watched the Napoleon one, that was good. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I wanna see that. What's his name? What's he making for you to make? Good. Yeah, it was good. Now, how did it depict Napoleon? So I, like, I've, because there's a lot of myths about it. Yeah, but out of us, I want to see what's his name Walking mix good. Yeah, it's good now. How did it depict Napoleon? So I like I've got a lot of myths about yeah, but out of us I'm like I'm the worst historian so like I don't yeah So what I mean is didn't make him leak look like he was mad or good?

No, I mean conquer I mean all the above like I think that walking Phoenix probably did as I did it I'm if that was a character. He's trying pick, like he definitely played this, and again, I don't know a lot of history. You know, he wasn't as short as this, did you guys know that? You know, it makes him like he's super small. That was a slight. That was a propaganda.

Okay, of course. Well, and they don't really play into that ever. They don't ever make anything about his height, so they don't say anything about that. But you can tell he's a little bit almost on the spectrum. Okay. That he plays that kind of a role at that. Like there's a bit of brilliance about him in certain things,

but then there's another part of him where he's a little off. And so he does play that. Phoenix plays a good villain. Yeah, I mean, he's just a great actor. Yeah, he's a great actor. He's a great actor. He's like really good.

You don't know what's going on. What it really do make me want to do those is actually go read more of the history. So I have a better understanding of everything that was depicted in there. He was a brilliant war general. Well, and they did a good job that way. They highlighted the amount of wars that he had.

His strategies were, I mean, you learn them today, if you go to military school, they'll talk to the strategies. And that was depicted, right? And I know that much about him, like he was known for that. and they obviously did that in there um he did they show his he he was like infatuated with Josephine in love with this woman. Yeah so she found all her his letters to her and it was like I can't sleep without you. Yeah you know what? Yeah so that

it's interesting about the relationship and I don't know if it's true or not, but she cheats on him and he still stays with her. Yeah. Because he's so infatuated with her. Yeah, and even later on, again, not the spoiler, I mean, this is all history, right? So she can't bear a child. So after years and years and years of them trying, so he eventually goes and gets like a really young girl pregnant

just so he has an air, but then still writes letters to her So they they divorce just so he can go have a kid to carry on his name and he Continues to write Josephine because of his his love for her still. I want to watch that. Yeah, it's good I want to see yeah, yeah, I thought the thing about him being short I remember learning that that was propaganda from the other, the his opponents. It's trying to make him, yeah, cause he was like average height.

He was like the same height as everybody else, but they put that out there. And I thought that was true too. I thought, you know, Napoleon complex, you hear that term, right? What does that mean? Little dude, he was always the example. Yeah, the short man complex.

What's his name? Lord Farquad from Shrek, they copied, you know, Napoleon. Oh, is that what he's inspired by? Alexander the great. Like, well, what's his name Lord Farquad from Shrek? They copied, you know, Napoleon. Oh, is that what he's inspired by Alexander the Great? Like, well, he is because he, he, he, he, in the show, he even talks about like, uh, Alexander the Great and who's the other gang is con? Not gang is con. Someone else, I can't, I don't know why I'm slipping me right now.

Who's, uh, you know, he basically, Hannibal, Hannibal, no, no, I don't have, anyways, he, he, he, he, he, he Hannibal. Hannibal. No, no. I don't know. Anyways, you're talking about that. He's following those great leaders. And so like his, that's just like a big motivation is for him to be on that, on that level. I never read about Hannibal, how he's elephants against the Romans. Could you imagine?

Yeah. Fight back then. Fight. You're fine. Like elephants. You got to fight elephants. Did you imagine that? No. back then, fight. You're fine. Like elephants. You got to fight elephants? Did you imagine that?

No, it is. You've never seen like these animals. Yeah. The thunderous, you know, like it's like walk, like the whole ground shakes. Oh yeah. They used to use war dogs at Romans too. They'd use these particular types of mastiffs

and they would attach, I mean, I read this a long time ago. I don't know if it's true, but they would attach these like spikes to their callers and light the ends on fire and they'd run them through Wow to scatter I think I think it's most horses. Yeah, that's most fascinating to me when you look at like war back That is just the approach of this like you like you literally just march straight to your death Yeah, you know like like war today is strategic and it's far away. Far away and sniping and like, you know, co-first. Yeah, I mean, back then it's like, we're going to war

and it's like, I see Doug, you know, 100 yards away and he sees me and we're just walking straight towards each other with no trees to hide. I mean, that, imagine the fucking balls. Oh my. You have to have just to be on that line, just to say I'm gonna go do that. I mean, and then imagine the type of leader.

So a whole other kind of. You would have to be to inspire men to go do that. I mean, you're literally inspiring them like, yeah, you're probably gonna die. The best ones were in there with him. Yeah, that was something that Napoleon they highlighted a lot in him. Was he's like one of the only generals that like when the battle going they buy in he he he's like antsy

And then I said he rushes in because he wants in on the on the fighting Which was I thought that was pretty cool. I know it's going we're going all history here But if you want to read about like inspiring soldiers Joan of Arc is a really crazy this girl who's like god told me whatever She's and the men followed her to their death like we are gonna follow this girl who's like, God told me whatever. And the men followed her to their death. Like we are gonna follow this girl. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah, that part, I think that part, I think I'm the most interested in is,

I mean, I've always been into like leadership and reading and stuff in that direction. And so when I hear of these great leaders or these people that, you know, Rally, been like, you know, for me to Rally a bunch of young men to, you know, make a sales goal for a you know, for me to rally a bunch of young men to, you know, make a sales goal for a month, like, I was so proud of myself, right? I was like, yeah, you know what I'm saying?

Like, dude, we got us all in one direction, and we hit goal, and we're like, I'm badass. I'm a great leader that they're like, slaying those sales. Bro, I mean, it's another level when you are convincing hundreds or thousands of men to basically die for you to go, I mean, that to me is like, that's kind of crazy throw anything on your back.

I know, that's what I'm doing. Dude, oh, in the same vein of like information and military and all that, like, dude, I had some fun, factory sell. So night vision goggles, like, I don't know how true this is, so don't like, you know, hold this, hold me accountable. But I read this, so.

It's just like shit. You know, there know, there's anything's on the internet. But I read this and I was like tripping on it. They said that they tried multiple versions of like night vision goggles with different lenses. And so what we see now is like, you know, the green kind of, and also too, they have like a bluish kind of like a phosphorus kind of like look, so you could see like in the dark But they use this kind of red lens before that and I forget the name of it

But it was like some kind of chemical that was added to this like red dye and So according to this really saw demons. Yes. Yeah, they saw So according to- This is where they saw demons. Yes. Yeah. They saw the- So they actually like started shooting

at random objects and they're like, why are you shooting at, you don't see this and like the soldiers were freaking out because they saw demons. And so they actually think that they're able to see like quantum particles. And so it was like, yeah, it was like- That's where they had to change it.

Coordinating into like these shadow objects and they're like shooting at these, at nothing. And so they, or removed them. Something. Or it was something in a definition. But I was like, what? I did not, so I don't know if that's real or not. Hey, I have a question about one of our partners,

so I wanted to ask you because we have a couple partners now that have moved into the peptide space in particular with like face creams and stuff like that. When you look at like a product like Caldera, which I know is an all natural product, is it something that I can use the peptides with it also? Or should do them, oh, totally. They can't, they don't.

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No, peptides are signolers, right? So what's that one called? Is it GHK, GHK-CU? Is that the one? Okay. GHK-CU. So that, you know, you apply that to your skin'll apply that to your skin, it's a signaler. So it tells the skin to regenerate faster.

It tells the cells of the skin to essentially turn over quicker. So you have more skin. Okay, so one is basically signaling the cells to rejuvenate, right, be younger, what of that. And then the other one is actually addressing right, the micro-winter skin, the natural skin oils, like what protects your skin, to allow your skin to do what it's supposed to be doing. So combining both would be like fire.

That's exactly what you would want to do. So my face budget is starting to rival my wife, so I would have never thought. Let's go ahead and have a drink. Well, you're doing a lot of it on your surface. Well, yes, so that's the reason why I'm asking this, so the audience knows is that so when we have Dr. Con coming in this week, so it'll be great for us to talk more to him, but he gave me the GHK CU cream that I'm supposed to rub on my psoriasis. While he also gave Katrina that for her face.

So I'm assuming that it's obviously good for both, right? Mine was mainly for healing my psoriasis. Does you know that GHK see you too? If you put it on your beard or your head, let's say your scalp, it'll also help improve the pigment of your hair. So if you have like white beard or whatever, it'll make it a little bit more. Do you remember, I'm gonna try that.

Actually, that's the fact you know how you kept telling me my hair looked darker? That's what it was. Oh yeah. That's exactly what it was. Yeah. Oh wow, so both Caldera and that together is like, Primo.

But Caldera is like, there's no pep, there's no signaling molecules in there. It just literally balances out your skin's natural micro-bion and oil. And I mean, look, you notice right away, if you use it, you know, right away, you feel amazing. Yeah, yeah, the first time you apply it, you know, I just didn't know if I was overdoing it or what that,

but you're saying that there's synergistic. So that's cool. Totally. I wanted to bring up a study on diet, just to highlight the power that diet has on your health, just in your mental health, I should say. Now, we know this. We know this. When you change your diet and you start exercising, the data shows improvements in mental health

across the board. Well, this study used a specific diet for specific types of mental health issues. So they took 31 adults with severe, persistent mental illness, major depressive disorder. So we're not talking about like people who just kind of feel crappy, crappy, major depressive disorder, bipolar disorder disorder, and schizophrenia. So these are three major mental illnesses. They put them on a ketogenic diet. Okay. So very specific type of diet. High fat, moderate protein, zero carbohydrates. All of them

noticed a dramatic improvement in symptoms. 40 40% of them, it seemed to cure their issues. So now why am I bringing this up? Well, for two reasons, one, brain information, your diet plays a big role in how you feel, period and of story, mental health, period and a story. So it's exercise, but diet plays a big role. So that's number one. Number two, this theory, if you look at mydocondrial dysfunction theory, there's a lot of people in the cutting edge, I don't know, biohacking space, that would say it's like the root of all illness, root of mental illness, cancer.

This is true. Cancer is all seem to have this in common. There seems to be some kind of mitochondrial dysfunction in the cell. The Warburg effect, I think I'm saying it right, that was the first time we identified that many cancer cells, if you starve them from carbohydrates, they can't do what they do because their mitochondria, so dysfunctional, it can't even turn sugar into energy. It can only turn sugar into energy, it can't use ketones. So you take all the sugar or carbohydrates away, these cancer cells die. That was the warburg effect.

So mitochondria dysfunction is at the root of, what seems to be most, if not all cancers, and this study and others are pointing to the fact that this may be the root of many of our chronic issues, where our mitochondria just isn't operating the way it's supposed to, which leads to anxiety, depression, inflammation, all these different kinds of things.

Now, the question is, okay, how do we improve mitochondria health? There's not a silver bullet. I think what we're seeing really is not the root, but still more of the smoke. I think mitochondria's function is a result of Poor lifestyle being unhealthy not moving not exercising Not anyway, by the way the form of exercise that's best that seems to have the most profound effects on mitochondria You guys want to guess?

Straight training now. How does like strain training diet and then let's throw like a biohacking tool like red red light There be lineup with all those things. Oh, I mean, that's great. That's amazing. I know they're all good, right? I know that, obviously. How would they work together? No. How do they line up as far as which one's moving

the needle the most? Oh, geez. That's so hard to say. You know why? Because it depends how bad your activity was or how bad your diet was. But if we look at like the, if you looked at the typical American,

let's just say that is the context, they probably get, it probably be best to approach exercise first only because it's easier to approach that than it is to diet, because you guys well know, when we work with clients, diet is like, that's a whole other monster. So probably hey, you guys lift weights twice a week, let's start there. And then we'll slowly work on diet and red light therapies is a distant third. I mean, it's gonna do something, but it's not gonna come close. So, I mean, that's a good way to put it.

I feel like that's where someone like us would go, right? Because it's like, we've already checked the box, nutritionally, checked the box, exercise-wise. So it's like, okay, now this is the next thing to do that. So that's good, though, that's what I was looking for. So the average person who's like lost, like it's like, I would never tell a client

who's never trained, not dieted, or do anything like that. Oh, go buy a red light therapy. That's a good way for you to start. It's like, no, go go, go strength train first. That's the easiest to implement, right? Just that doing that once or twice a week is going to show profound results. Next, let's start to really start to tighten up the diet, make better, better food choices. Then once we've strung those two things together consistently for some period of time, like now you can look into things like that. But that's even an ideal world, right? Because what if the red light therapy gave the person

enough, like they felt good enough for from it to then want to get off the couch and exercise? Then it may be a front line because, you know, having someone sit down in front of a red light might be all they are willing to do right now. You know what I mean? Like okay fine here sit in front of a red light Let's see if it makes you feel that see if it gives you enough energy to do something. You know what I'm saying? No, that's a great that's a great point. I mean I think a family members that I have yeah, but I've been trying to talk and exercising and it hasn't worked and I've already done this right bought them a red light put this in front of your face Can that lead will you do that at least? Yeah, yeah, even then sometimes are like no, I forgot. Oh my god

I'm hardest That's just something that makes me I know originally that you opened up with us talking about the strength training right and the changing in the in the culture Like sometimes like I don't know, dude, like, it seems like so far away for some people. I watched this cartoon. Maybe it was the Jetsons. You guys remember the Jetsons? Of course.

It was an old-ass cartoon to pick the Jetsons. He would get into an exercise machine, and the machine would move them. So he'd just sit there and, you know, if somebody events that one day where you could literally go somewhere else in your head, hear play video games, we'll take your body over and make it exercise for you.

But that still wouldn't give you the same. My view of the band that just shakes people. Yeah, I remember that. Did I ever tell you my grandma had that? Did I tell you guys that my grandma had that long? It was a white, like it was like a white machine. You plug it in with goggles and like a bowling ball. Oh, my gosh.

It's shot in the belly with it. Looks like a giant, like old school, like a kitchen. Yeah. She had one. And it had a big leather, like a weight belt or whatever. It just shakes you. You just put around and you turn on a ball. It just shakes the shit out of your belly.

You're just gonna shiver it off. Good stuff. Yeah, whatever works. All right, so shout out. So my episode, I got interviewed on Mari Luellins podcast, which is, what is it? The wellness? Maybe Doug, you can find the name of her podcast for me. But check it out, great episode.

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Mind pump and get yourself a discount if you use the code 25 mind pump. That'll give you 25% off by the way. All right back to the show First question is from Kirsten El-Thomas. What is the difference between a trap bar for deadlifts and a straight bar? I was listening to Rogan and he said they are safer. Should I be using a trap bar? All right, so first, let's be very, very clear, okay?

Any exercise performed properly with the proper amount or right amount of stability, strength, and mobility. So any exercise in that context is safe, okay? Period, I understand the story. Now the difference between a straight bar and a trap bar deadlift, and we'll talk about muscle activation

because there is a little bit of a difference. But the difference is a straight bar requires a higher level of skill to perform in the context that I just described, okay? So if you have no skill in either exercise, which one is more likely to hurt you the straight bar? Because it's a more difficult exercise to perform with the right amount, like I said,

strength, stability, mobility, et cetera. So that's about it. So Trapp bar is easy to learn. It's easier to do properly than a straight bar, but they're both extremely valuable, and they don't think you should avoid either one. I mean, there's always situations where one may be better than the other, but they're both great.

I think simpler put is this, and all of us did this. A lot of my clients that were beginner clients advanced age that just hired me, I used the trap bar a lot. A lot, it was a great tool to get a lot of, not all of, but a lot of the benefits that I could get from deadlift. Right. So it was a great play, but even with those clients,

the ultimate goal was to get them to be able to do a barbell deadlift. I wanted them to be able to do that. I didn't want to just settle like, oh, we can't do a barbell deadlift. Let's just do trap bar deadlift forever because they're great and it's safer. It's not that simple. It's like, there are better and more benefits from a traditional deadlift, but it also matters

where my client is and meeting them where they're at. And so if you've never done either one, trap bar deadlift is a great place to start. But with the intent of I want to learn how to do a barbell deadlift because of the value that comes So you can yeah really address your post to your chain I mean there's no other greater exercise in your straight bar deadlift But it does require to your earlier point a higher skill and so to learn that skill a lot of times it takes extra amount of effort to teach a client how to hip-hinge without squatting and so this is one of those things

You have to kind of work through that mechanically. But I mean, that's the benefit of the trap bar deadlift itself is that it is easier for clients to just sit their way down and kind of be able to pick something off the ground. It's just a little more functionally, I guess, repeatable, like people experience that a lot more. Like the whole hip-panging concept is kind of alien

to a lot of people. So it takes some time, but super valuable exercise, so work your way towards that is ideal. Well unfortunately the internet has forced us in this game of, yeah, it's not that simple. It's not one or the other. It's like, and they're not the same. They're different exercises, they are.

But they have similar benefits. And if my ultimate goal is to teach my client to deadlift and they're not there yet, the trap bar deadlift is amazing. I'll say this, a trap bar deadlift is more of a lower body exercise than a straight bar deadlift. You're not gonna build, when we talk about the benefits of building your back and the muscle you build in your back, you're not going to get that from a trap bar deadlift like you are straight bar.

Straight bar you're going to get a little more quad and it's safer. So for people who are like for hypertrophy, like I want to build a muscular back and I heard deadlifts are a great way to do it. It's the straight bar deadlift. The trap bar deadlift you'll get some, but not even close because it's so, the weight is on the side of your body. It's in front of you.

Swings up, what's his name? The rib toe? The rib toe has a huge problem with it because of that fact, but I mean, yeah, he gets angry about the trap bar. That's why the context matters so much. Depending on the client sitting in front of me and their specific goals and their current level, I see both tools I'm gonna use.

And so it just depends on where that person is at. And unfortunately, again, the internet always is trying to force us into a camp of choosing one or the other or arguing for one or the other. Have you guys ever pushed, I know you guys are straight bar deadlift, but have you ever pushed just just train for a while on your trap bar? Is y'all strong? You get?

No. Yeah. You have it. So for me, I've already, I'm pretty consistently about 70 pounds stronger on the trap bar than I am a straight bar. So whenever I could deadlift with a straight bar, 70 more pounds can go on the trap bar. I, I used the trap bar far more for my clients than I almost straight bar. So whenever I get deadlift, with a straight bar, 70 more pounds can go on the trap bar. I use the trap bar far more for my clients than I did myself. Yeah, it's, and where I found it for myself is maybe if I want it,

if, like, let's say my low back was a little bit of fried and I was gonna do some deadlift type of movement that day. And I'm like, you know, probably don't need to do that. My low back's already a little exhausted. I'm gonna do something that is less stressful on the posterior chain. And so I might default to that. But I'm nine times that a 10,

I'm gonna do a traditional deadlift or a variation of a deadlift over the trap or personally for myself. But I see tremendous value with clients, athletes, people that aren't there yet. So it's not in either or it's a, it depends on the situation. Next question is from Burke himself.

What are the pros and cons of Barbell spider curls versus Barbell preacher curls? I feel more from spider curls with a straight bar. Okay, so here's why I love this exercise. The elbow position. So spider curl, people don't know, you're leaning, you're on an incline bench, but you're leaning on your chest.

So it's like your face down on a bench. So your chest supported. And yeah, you're doing a curl, so your arms are down in front of you. And a preacher curl, you're sitting upright and you have your arms on top of a pad to do your preacher curl. Now here's why I love this particular question.

In both exercises, the elbow position is identical. Preacher curl, spider curl, elbows in front of your body. But they're very different exercises. Now how can that be? The spider curl, the weight, when using free weights, the weight is heaviest at the top. When you do the spider curl, it is the hardest at the top of the movement when you're fighting gravity directly. At the very bottom, there's not much resistance

because you have to kind of swing the way forward before you come up just because of the way your arm naturally curls. With the preacher curl, the weight is heaviest near the bottom, not at the top. So, near the bottom is where you'll feel most attention. Now, that's important because where the attention is highest is where you're going to build most of the strength, which makes the spider curl and the preacher curl, although the elbow position is identical, very complement your exercise. But those exercises are so complemented. They both belong in your routine. It's not this again, another, this is not an either

or. They're different exercises. Although to your point, your elbows in the same position, you think it's a very similar exercise. It's very different. Very different feel. And so they both belong in there. And this person feels it more in the spider, right? It's what they're saying.

But because it's the squeeze. Yeah, the squeeze at the top. You probably handle half the weight you're probably doing with it. And there's not a lot of other movements that especially free weight movements that give you that feel. No, that's what makes you feel. Conflictation, yeah.

Like you're on a cable machine or something like that. Like you just don't feel that same type of tension at the top of the curl. And so yeah, this is not a do one or the other is it is both of these belong in a good place. You were to do four, just lowering in the preacher girl. That's always the end of you. At the bottom.

Yes, yes, yes. You see centrically like negatives doing those. Yeah, the stretch position. You totally feel it. And then as a fighter curl, the stretch position ain't no big deal. No, that's not that. No big deal at all. I'll tell you, if you want a four exercise bicep workout,

that is like, this is like bodybuilding gold. I'll tell you what they are right here. You're standing dumbbell or barbell curl. You go to your preacher curl. You go to your, you do a decal, excuse me, an incline curl in the stretch, and then you go to your spider curl. So you've got elbow position in all three different positions.

Right, this one is inclined. Yep, you've got the stretch. You've got the resistance in the stretch with the elbow in front, with the elbow behind. And then you have that peak squeeze at the stretch with the elbow in front, with the elbow behind, and then you have that peak squeeze at the top of the spider curl. Try that. If you're watching this right now and you want to go do a bicep workout, literally doing

that order, let me know how you feel. Next question is from A Ricky V. Is it possible to over prime before a workout? Should I consider sets of priming movements, working sets for any particular body part? So priming warming up, okay, we'll use those words interchangeably, although priming is much more targeted. So rephrase the question, people don't know what priming means. Can you over warm up? Can you do too much of a warm up?

Yeah, when it becomes, when it fatigues you, you know, if you go to that point, you go and you're a workout and you're exhausted, then it's not a warm up anymore. It's not really serving its purpose. All it did was fatigue you. Now that became part of your workout. So yes, you could totally do it. The way you should feel after a good priming warm-up is you should feel more connected. Go ready to go. Or energize stronger, ready to get in the exercise. I don't know, reps are that important to be honest with you in terms of like the feel of it and like, yeah, and like even holding positions and like, I, it's such a feel thing for me when I'm priming

that it's hard for me to prescribe, you know, rep count because it varies so much. Yeah, I, what a great point, Justin, and for the audience, they get the own our prime and prime pro programs. So they understand this like when we gave like time and reps and things like that, that's like to give people an understanding

and a base to go off of, but the truth is, when I prime many times, it's once or twice just one really intense good connection area. I might get into my 90, 90, get all position right now, get into that deep stretch, and then open up my hips, my lifting my heel, driving the knee in, and I might just have one really good intention. Yeah, and then switch to the other side,

and then maybe I switch back one more time, and I'm ready to go. I'm good. Yeah, my hips are awake. I'm awake, and I'm active, I'm ready to go. I know that we prescribe a lot of times, like five and five, and hold for five seconds, and we have all these things,

but that's to give somebody who has no understanding or concept of what they're trying to do, once you learn how to prime, and I've talked about this before, if you ever watch how I've shared this on my Instagram, so I know there's posts of me doing this if you go back far enough, where I have this thing where I get down in a really deep squat and I have a band and I like combine like three priming movements in one. I'm down, I'm basically doing a combat stretch because I'm driving myself positioned by the squat rack. I drive my knees over.

Yeah, I'm driving my knees open on the hips. I'm doing the reverse band on my upper body. I'm tucking my chin like the zone one. Like I'm literally combining three or four different mobility moves that we would teach by themselves. But I know how to connect to all those things intensify really hard. I might do that for three or four reps,

and then I'm ready to go. You know what this question reminds me of? It reminds me of, and you'll see this a lot with, like, I don't know, junior high, high school coaches, or I used to do this, I used to see this in martial arts classes too, where you'll do your warm-up. They'll call it your warm-up, and they gas everybody out. Yeah, this particular, but. Yeah, and you see this with coaches too, like, all right guys, we're gonna warm up, they'll call it your warm up, and they gas everybody out. Yeah, this particular, but.

Yeah, and you see this with coaches too, like, all right guys, we're gonna warm up, you know, and the by the time the kids are done with the warm up, they're like sweating. Yeah, they're not just sweating, they're like, dead, they can barely do anything, and they go to try to play like terrible performance, the rest of practice.

Terrible, in fact, some of them would almost brag about it, you can't even make it through a warm up, you know, type of deal, like, that's not the point of a warm up. The warm up is not supposed to be the workout. There's working out and there's warming up and a warm up or priming is to make the workout more effective, not to take away from it or replace it. If that's your idea of a warm up, you're doing it wrong.

Next question is from Mac Conrad. What are some early signs of overtraining or too much weekly intensity? Early signs, I'm glad they said early signs because there's some early signs of overtraining or too much weekly intensity? Early signs, I'm glad they said early signs because there's some obvious signs later on, but for me, an early sign is disrupted sleep. I will notice that before anything else, where I'm pushing a little too hard

and I find I get a little restless when I sleep. I would make the case that just overs really sore. That's one of the first. That's one of the first. That's a great one. When you, I mean, and if I've applied the perfect amount of intensity for me is I can feel that I worked out.

So I've got a little bit of a soreness if I like kind of flex some muscle. I'm like, oh yeah, I worked the arms out yesterday. Oh, I definitely worked my closet. I can feel them, right? But not to where I go to sit down I kind of flex some muscle. I'm like, oh yeah, I worked the arms out yesterday. Oh, I definitely worked my closet. I can feel them, right? But not to where I go to sit down and I'm like, oh, where I go to get out of the car.

And I'm like, oh, that to me, that's an early sign. Like, yep, I did wait. And sometimes I'll feel that on the day right after. If I'm right after the next day, I'm already feeling really sore. I go, when I say to myself, not what I used to say, when I was 20, I go, oh, good workout.

Now I go, shit. I did more than I needed to. Yeah, I did more than I needed to. I could have done less and progressed at the same speed maybe even faster. That's how I think now is like. So the first thing I'm looking at is how sore am I from that workout?

I do not want to feel really sore. I want to feel just like, yeah, I knew I worked out yesterday in that muscle, but not when I'm moving. I'm like, oh, or hurts to touch. I'm glad you said soreness, that is the first sign. You know you should feel after your workout, you should feel either no soreness,

or the kind of soreness you have to search fortifying where you're kind of like scratch and go, oh, it's just more of a tightness. Oh, I could tell I worked out. I think I worked out. You should not, it shouldn't be so obvious where you're like, I can't move or don't touch me there, or that means.

This is why I love the thing that we always talk about, which is do as little as work as possible to elicit the most amount of change. And so, I'm always actually looking for that. So, I'm looking for like, can I, how many sets, reps and intensities it take to not feel sore from it? And then I know like, oh, maybe I can do a tiny bit more. I'm like, I'm trying to find that sweet spot of what does a workout look like to where I

don't really feel sore the next day. And then knowing that, okay, maybe I can handle a tiny bit more of progressive overload in the next workout. And that's what I'm sorry for, where as a kid, when I was younger, we used to measure the success of a workout by how sore we were, which is so the opposite of how I think now. It's like, if I feel even remotely close to that,

right away, I'm like, God damn it. Why did I do that much? I could have, right away in my head, and by the way, too, you should be thinking like this. I'm thinking of the work away, I'm like, God damn it. Why did I do that much? I could have, right away in my head, and by the way, too, you should be thinking like this. I'm thinking of the work, and I'm like, yep, it was that fucking last exercise. Didn't need to do that. I was like, yep, when I thought about,

when there was a moment, there's always that moment and everybody's workout where you're like, oh, I should do five more. Oh, I was throwing another plate, or like, I feel some shift. Yeah, yeah, or you feel something like that, like your back's tweaked, it's like you do it.

And it's like, so I'm always going back in the workout, going like, yeah, yeah, or you feel so like that like your back's tweaked next I should work you do it. And it's like so I'm always going back in the workout going like, yeah, I didn't need to do that. I had a feeling I could have just done that and I would have felt great and because I my ego drove me to do that and now this is how I feel. So that's what I'm paying attention first. Look, if you like mine pump head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out all of our free fitness guides. We have a lot and they're all free. You can also find all of us on Instagram. Justin is at MindPump Justin. I'm at MindPump to Stefano and Adam.

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