Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2293: The Pros & Cons of the Renegade Row, Cues for Better Lat Activation, Favorite Landmine Exercises & More

Episode Date: March 15, 2024

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page.  Mind Pump Fit Tip: The three steps to scaling back when trying to reduce total load on the body. (1:57) Highlighting how nutrient-deficient we are as a society. (13:10) How Doug has naturally increased his testosterone. (17:12) The ultimate #dadhack for washing your car. (23:06) Healthy obsessions. (27:40) Super Sports Bros! (33:39) “He who does not desire power is fit to hold it.” (38:25) The internet is a toxic place. (39:04) The longest fight in history. (40:28) Most profit made in a single day by some of the world’s largest companies. (41:53) Seeing the writing on the wall with the EV push. (44:02) LMNT as a pre-workout. (52:42) Shout out to American Conspiracy: The Octopus Murders on Netflix. (58:31) #Quah question #1 – What is the best exercise for posture? (1:00:02) #Quah question #2 - What are the benefits of a renegade row? (1:04:05) #Quah question #3 - What cues would you suggest for dumbbell rows? I feel them in my traps. (1:08:03) #Quah question #4 - What are your favorite Landmine exercises? (1:10:18) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit Joovv for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! ** Code MINDPUMP to get $50 off your first purchase. ** For a limited time only, Mind Pump listeners get a free LMNT Sample Pack with any purchase: Visit DrinkLMNT.com/MindPump March Promotion: MAPS Anabolic | MAPS Anabolic Advanced 50% off! ** Code MARCH50 at checkout ** Mind Pump #2010: Seven Reasons Your Workout Isn’t Working Eggs may be secret to high IQ in babies • Earth.com TRANSCEND your goals! Telehealth Provider • Physician Directed GET YOUR PERSONALIZED TREATMENT PLAN!  Hormone Replacement Therapy, Cognitive Function, Sleep & Fatigue, Athletic Performance and MORE. Their online process and medical experts make it simple to find out what’s right for you. Mind Pump #2282: How To Get What You Want With Jen Cohen This image shows the aftermath of a boxing match between Dick Hyland and Ray Campbell in 1913 New Ford patent suggests self-driving cars repossess themselves Owners worry Cybertruck of the future rusts after rain - American Conspiracy: The Octopus Murders - Netflix Mind Pump #1490: How To Improve Your Posture How To Hip Hinge Properly (Fix THIS!) Strengthen Your Core with the Renegade Row – YouTube THE BEST Way To Do A Dumbbell Row (KEY DETAILS) with Sal Di Stefano The #1 Setup Cue For The Barbell And Dumbbell Row Exercise Landmine Trunk Rotations - YouTube Landmine Shoulder Press Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Ben Greenfield (@bengreenfieldfitness) Instagram Mike Mutzel, MS (@metabolic_mike) Instagram

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but you have to use the code MARCH50 for the discount. All right, here comes the show. If you just realize that you may be doing too much in your workouts, in other words, you need to scale back, do so in this order. First, scale back intensity. If that doesn't work, scale back volume. If that doesn't work, then scale back the frequency. That's the order most people should scale back when they're trying to reduce the total load on their body. Do you have a

reck... intensity, I think we all agree for sure is number one. You gotta be first. Just make your stuff easier. Yeah, intensity first. So, and I think that almost always honestly solves the problem because I think that almost always, honestly solves the problem. Because I think you can handle the same volume. I mean, technically, you can reduce the intensities to a point you can almost solve for any of it. Yeah, so I mean, I think that's like the first year.

Now, let's say you do have somebody, because you recognize that they're overdoing it volume-wise too. It's just like, that's just too much. There's no reason for you to be doing 52 sets of workout six days a week or whatever. Is there a typical because volume is the total of sets reps times weight. Is there just an easier thing to tell a client because you tell client volume the average person is not what that means. What does that mean?

So do you just go like, what I want you to do is look at your workout and cut out a set of every exercise. Is that, is that an easier way to do it? So I used to do, I used to cut down a third of the sets, but now I go down to half. So, uh, whenever, when I would identify with my clients that, that they were maybe overdoing it or whatever, I would always back off half the volume because when you're coming out of over training

or overdoing it, you have to make up a little ground. It's not like you just go back to the appropriate volume. You gotta give the body enough time to catch up. So I would always go to half. So I said, whatever, if you're doing 15 sets in a workout, well, I only want you to do seven or eight at most, you know, type of deal. Well, plus then you can gauge whether or not

that was really the case. That's right, that's right. Otherwise, yeah, it's just like you know, type of deal. Well, plus then you can gauge whether or not that was really the case. That's right. Yes. That's right. Otherwise, yeah, it's just like, you're barely kind of moving the needle. And then frequency, like, I mean, you could work out a little bit every day for often, not for everybody, but oftentimes, um, helps with the recovery process, just a little bit of movement.

Yeah. Yeah. You know, how often do you think people, um, are, are too extreme in both directions, meaning, uh, inconsistent. inconsistent, so they don't train, they missed, ah, seven days in a row, and then they train a day. And they try to over-intensity, correct? Yes, then they over-intensity or over-volume,

then they miss again five days in a row, then they do it again, or maybe they get three days in a row of like super high intensity, then they- You just described most people that have trouble staying consistent. I mean, I would say athletes are most guilty for that. If you've been like long periods of time without training consistently, then you want to get back into it. It's like full blown, like full acceleration and not really like a gradual approach at

all. I bring this up because I think, I think this gets misunderstood when we talk about this sometimes because I think we were always kind of preaching this message about people like over applying intensity and telling them like start less build on it so with that and I think the average person in their head goes yeah but I haven't even I haven't been consistent for even three days Sal. So I can go super hard. Yeah so I definitely I'm not overdoing it. I only trained six days this week. So I can go super hard. Yeah, so I definitely, I'm not overdoing it. No. I only trained six days this week.

No, that's the irony. The irony is, or what's interesting about this is, the more consistent you are, all being appropriate, okay, the more consistent you are, the more volume you tend to be able to handle. In other words, think of it this way, fit people can do more and be okay with it than people who aren't fit.

So if you're not working out much, The body's more conditioned to be able to handle that kind of load. The damage on one intense set, you take somebody who's sedentary, you take someone off the street, doesn't work out at all, and I do a set of squats to failure. One, we've overdone it. Yeah. And they'll know, they'll feel it for a couple days. Yeah, rocking for a few days, yeah.

Just one set, you know? So think of it, the way I would always explain it, and I've said this on the show often, is think of the body improving as a form of adaptation, which it is, and it's no different than your skin getting darker in response to the sun. So if you never go out in the sun and you want to get a tan, you don't go get a sunburn, that's not gonna give you a tan,

it's gonna give you blisters. You gotta expose yourself appropriately. I used to think that. Regularly, did you really? That you get a sunburn, you get a tan, you don't go get a sunburn. That's not gonna give you a tan, it's gonna give you blisters. You gotta expose yourself appropriately. I used to think that. Regularly, did you really? That you get a sunburn to get there first. Yeah, I'm like, oh yeah, because biggie in the summer, you know, I was always like, it was always at the very end

of the summer I had like a little bit of a shade darker. It wasn't even like. By the end? Yeah, by the very end I'm like, man, if I really, maybe if I get ahead of it this time. And then it just, it gets to the point where I'm like, just red, pink, all over with like white freckles instead of brown ones.

I probably have skin cancer. Did you get, I was gonna say, did you get sunburn every summer? I mean, it was likely I would be sunburned first thing. I learned probably about the third or fourth time I've done that, that I was like, okay, I'm not like, wait at least, you know, till like, yeah,

it does it naturally. My mom saw, although my mom's Sicilian, she's light-complected, so I get my complexion from my dad. And we went to Sicily years, long time ago, and we all went to the beach, and she didn't put sunscreen on her feet, but she put them everywhere else, and we were outside, and my mom's like, she could be pretty white, oh, blisters, dude. She got blisters on her feet, but she put them everywhere else. And we were outside and my mom was like, she could be pretty white.

Oh, blisters, dude. She got blisters on her feet from the sunburn. But again, you don't get tannity faster. And it's just like that with exercise, the right dose will get you to the fastest. And that's what people understand. But I wanted to list these in order of importance because people, when they think of scaling back,

what's interesting is when someone says, Oh, I need to like reduce things because I might be over training. They typically don't reduce the intensity. They just do less, but they still apply the same intensity. That's why I brought that point up because I think a lot of times people hear us say that and they don't think that this could be them. Intensity does the most damage. Because they haven't been consistent for even a month.

So they think, Oh, that's not me. I'm not overdoing anything, but it's like, actually, you are. You're a bigger culprit of this, because not only are you not being consistent with the days that you show up, the few days a month you do show up, you overdo it. And it's just like you're spinning your wheels at that point. It's like your body is just trying to recover.

And then you add in another variable. Those tend to also be the people that, like, oh, that's the week they cut way back on their calories. So they over train, they underfeed that makes you more susceptible recoveries even. Yeah. So the recovery sucks. They probably didn't build any muscle from it. And it's just like, I mean, and you wonder why so many people get so frustrated and go like, why? Like, and, and that's why I feel like there's such a divide in our society of like people

that work out fitness people. And then people that have just chosen like, I don't want to do all that. Yeah. Like it says like- Cause it sucks. It hurts, it sucks, it doesn't work. I worked out real hard. I got to sacrifice so much.

You got to put so much effort in for such little results. It's like, it sounds terrible. But I mean, if I were given a challenge and someone were to say, um, what's the fastest way to over, over train someone intensity, I could over train somebody with intensity very quickly with volume and frequency would take a lot longer. The body can handle those two things with appropriate intensity at much higher levels.

I also think it's an area that even with lots of experience and expertise in this field, it's still a tough thing to gauge. Like, I mean, I don't know, I don't know who out of us, I'm probably, I would think I'm one of the more inconsistent ones out of all of us, like at least this period of my life and so with that as far as like consistently training in the weeks.

And so I have a lot of these like, oh, I didn't train for a week, you know, and coming back to it. Now I haven't gone very long, like weeks or months of not getting any sessions in, but literally just falling off my normal volume of let's say three times a week, down to once or twice or having a week off

and coming back, it's a trip. I just, so I had, I just came off of that a while ago and I was like, you know what, like I'm just not in the mood to get after squats today. I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna do some stuff I haven't done in a long time, real low intensity. Like I got the suspension trainer, I put a box roll low and I just did,

I lowered myself. Nice full range of motion. Yes. One leg at a time, just did five reps, you know, on each side. And you got sore. Yeah. And I literally did three sets of that, five and five on each side, support from the suspension trainer, body weight, pistols, down real slow, getting up. And I was just really just concentrating on technique. And I'm like, and I'm like, okay, we's, we'll see how I was sort of, now I wasn't crippling. It was, it was, I thought I did a pretty good job of gauging that. That's all you needed. But that's all I needed. And that was my point is like, wow, like so many more times I would have walked in and been like, ah, I'll just do like three sets of 225 for, you know, eight and that'll be fine. That's the journey at the time is way less than you think. Yes. It's so funny too. And if people only knew

like the best progress I ever make with my workouts, and this was when my clients, it was when I didn't get sore. When I'm training hard and I'm not getting sore, I'm like, oh yeah, I'm hitting the right amount. It took me a long time to understand that. It took me a really long time. I thought I was, I thought I was wasting my time.

Yeah, for the longest time, I measured the success of the workout by how sore I was. And if I didn't get sore from that, then I wasn't. You know the first time I measured the success of the workout by how sore I was, and if I didn't get sore from that, then I wasn't. You know the first time I figured that out was when, long time ago I was researching Bronze Era strength athlete workouts, and I noticed they all train, they all looked phenomenal.

This was before steroids, before supplements, and I noticed they all train full body, all of them. Three days a week, that was a routine. And the feats of strength that they did were just unbelievable. And then I read a book called Dinosaur Training, and then I read some other stuff. And I'm like, you know what? I'm going to try full body three days a week instead of what at the time I was

following like your chest day, back day, whatever. And so that's what I did. And I had to scale the intensity down because I'm training everything three days a week. I couldn't go to failure or whatever like I was before. And so I started doing it and I remember like, I would do like a bench press on Monday and Wednesday I'm going to do bench press again. And I'd show up and I'm like, well, I'm not that sore, but let me see. I just did it two days ago.

I wonder if I fully recovered five pounds stronger. I remember like that first week I got stronger so fast and I went, uh-oh, I think I might've been doing this wrong the whole time. Yeah. I mean, I think that was part of going all the way back to the inception of this business. And when you first sent over Maps Anabolic, it was the limited amount of volume

and the simplicity of the program that I was so like, oh, this is what, I was just at that point in my career where I was starting to figure that out. Less is more, sticking to a handful of really good exercises, not doing a ton of volume on it, hitting it three times a week. That was the way you had laid the program out. I literally was just coming to that conclusion myself of that period of my training. I'm like, nobody is talking about this.

It's the opposite of this right now. And I think that's why we had so much success is so many other people were in that same mindset of training. And then I guarantee, and how often do we hear this when we first would release the program? Oh, it's not enough. All the time. Yeah. Oh, this isn't enough.

It was like, oh, did you follow it? No, I don't even need to. I could tell this is not, or I did a workout. It's like, dude, follow it for one month. All I needed was 30 days from you. Give me 30 days of training like that, trusting the process, trusting the amount of volume that's in there, the boring exercises on there, and the proof

was in the pudding. And then again, I think that's, the people saw the result, and they saw so much results from that. I think that's where a lot of the credibility that we have, and then the business was really, truly built from that. I think that's where a lot of the credibility that we have and then the business was really truly built on that. I remember those comments, they're so funny. Hey, by the way, that study you sent me, I read it on babies and eggs.

Oh yes, I'm so glad you're bringing that up. So. Super fascinating. Babies that eat eggs. Yeah, so. I saw an article first, sorry. Let me look at the ages, let me get the ages. So I found this, I came across this article

that said that they did this thing, they tested this, and Sal can correct me with this real study, so but I just saw the first article, and it said that they did a group of babies that all they did, the only variable to change was they gave them one egg a day, one more egg a day, and they followed these babies around. And within, I think, a year's time,

they saw a 10 to 15% increase on IQ. Wow. Difference. IQ difference. Yeah. That's significant. That's significant. That's significant.

And that's the only variable that's- That's the firm average to smart. That's the only variable to change. It's probably, now they say it might be, they had higher levels of DHA in their brain, so this is a fatty acid that you'll find in good quality eggs. But I think it had more to do with the choline personally.

So I have a different theory. Is it called nature's multivitamin? Well, so I have, and it's not necessarily opposite of what you're saying. It's just that I think it highlights how nutrient deficient we are as a society and how much processed stuff that we feed our kids. And just by giving one of the most complete foods in an egg,

that just because it has a nice balance of protein, healthy fats inside there, because of that, I think that showed such a. If you want to give your baby a few things, that's going to give them some like incredible nutrient density. You give them fish roe and trust me, babies will actually eat this. We give this to my son when he was little, my daughter. So fish roe is amazing. What we're talking about now, whole eggs, incredible. Red meat, amazing.

And avocados are good as well. Those foods right there, they'll get so many nutrients from those that they lack and all the foods that, if you ever look at baby food and stuff that are designed for babies, they're not very good. It's just a fortified nutrients and sugar. You know what I'm saying? It's not like real whole foods from real natural sources.

And I think that's what, I think a lot of people probably saw that and think that there's something magical about eggs. I think that's less of the point. I think more of the point is like, we feed our babies so much of this kind of processed, fast food, quick, frozen type stuff, and they're missing. And because an egg is so complete, we feed our babies so much of this kind of processed, fast food, quick, frozen type stuff,

and they're missing. And because an egg is so complete, I think that's why you saw it. But I mean, wow, I mean, super motivation for, Katrina and I, after we were hard-boiled a bunch of eggs, and we're gonna eat them together as a family and see if I can get Max to crave a whole egg a day. What sucks for us is, say what?

Is IQ that increased? Yeah, to 15, so Aurelius, we've been giving him eggs since he was forever, always. Unfortunately, my baby, my one-year-old, if she eats eggs, she gets a little bit of eczema, so we can't give her eggs, so I'm trying to look for, so I tried in sardines, I'm trying different things. Now, stay with that too,

because we had that same issue with Max. So we went away from eggs, and then we've not that long ago reintroduced it back and he seems to be fine now. Early on, yeah early on we noticed that he was getting these little rashes when they were going, it's like, oh shit and he didn't really like it that much. So we went away from that for a long time and then came back, I don't know how many, a year or two later and reintroduced it. Now unfortunately, we haven't trained him consistently enough to where that's what he, I want him to crave that

for breakfast is the goal. And if I can't get him to crave it for breakfast, then I want to see if I can encourage him to eat hard boiled eggs throughout the day or something. So that's the goal right now. Well, what we do with the three year old is, now this doesn't work for my baby, but for our three year old, we parsed out egg whites

from the egg yolks. Because when we first gave him eggs too, there was a little bit of a reaction. Oftentimes it's the white though, not the yolk. It's because the white is in the theory, well the white has antibodies in it, because it's basically put in there to protect the yolk. So if somebody reacts to eggs, if they don't react,

if they do react to eggs, sometimes it's just the white and not the yolk. So it's something else. Well that used to be you, you used to always eat all the. Yeah, now I can eat them all fully, but back in the day, yeah, I would just eat the yolks. You guys would see me eat 9 or 10 over easy eggs and I'd just get out the...

Speaking of eggs, just reminding me of something. Doug was going over some numbers with me, his testosterone, and first off. I don't even like talking about this. I know. Why not Adam? He's got so much testosterone. It's ridiculous. I don't understand, I think he's I know. Why not Adam? He's got so much testosterone. It's ridiculous.

I don't understand. I think he's regenerating. Because I think we're on our final years of people thinking that we're younger than Doug. I think we're in our last, this is our last couple seasons. Bro, he's like naturally on gear. I'm not taking it to the top.

Tell me how high were they? So what was your highest reading before you started using the Juve regularly? Because you had HCG, and I think you were supplementing with Boron. Right. So a couple of years ago, I tested, I think at 1,080.

That was like a peak. And that was at a time I was really working on my testosterone levels. Yeah. And then back, I just have some notes here. Back in November, I did another test through Transcend. My testosterone was 655.

So it had dropped. It had dropped. By the way, 655 is still high. Yeah. It's still a nice level. Now, can you connect, like was it you put less effort towards it? I just wasn't paying a lot of attention to it.

And- You were probably stressing him out a lot or something. Probably getting stressed out a lot. Actually, I think that was sal around that time. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, there was a time there. I was like pretty knotted up most of the day. No, no. No.

I'm not stressed for it. But one thing, so there's been a number of things I've done, okay? One thing is I've been working with Transcend. So I'm using HCG, 25 units, twice a week. Right, now that'll raise your test results from by itself. Yes, I'm using DHEA. I'm using, yeah, Boron. 25 units, twice a week. Right. Now that'll raise your testes from by itself. Yes. I'm using DHEA.

I'm using, yeah, Boron. But one of the things I have done consistently is use the red light, almost every single day. So I start my morning, again, this is another stress reduction thing that I'm doing right now, is I get in front of my red light, you know, just totally naked, and I sit there

and I do like a 10 minute meditation light, you know, just totally naked and I sit there and I do like a 10 minute meditation. Oh wow, great combination. Yeah, just bring myself down a little bit. Also sleep is another area I've been really working on. So your highest levels before were like close to 1100. Close to 1100. And now since you've been doing this, you just came back.

So I just had a test, blood taken on February 23rd. I just got my results. blood taken on February 23rd. I just got my results. My testosterone is at 1381. That's more than mine from synthetic testosterone. Doesn't that make you angry? Yeah, and I'm getting a healthy dose too. You got so much testosterone.

Can you give us some? Yeah, I mean, yeah. Give me some of your muscle. But the red light therapy, I think, made that difference because that's the one thing that changed. Well, I would say that's one of the things, and I really have been working on my sleep.

So I'm not gonna say, oh, that's the only thing I did. They all help each other, though. They do help each other, yeah. You know what I'm saying? So it's just like. So I've had people send me their numbers from using just the red light, and they'll see a nice 10% to 20% increase.

Oh, I remember when, so I know Ben Greenfield used to talk about it, so did our friend Metabolic Mike. I remember he did like a controlled test on himself, right, like he literally just, that's all he changed is the variable, and he went, I forgot, I think, I wanna see, he was like- He just shined like directly on his balls.

Yeah, naked in front of it, right? He went from like two or 300 something to like six or 800, I can't, yeah, he significantly. People, Justin's not making a joke. That's literally how you do it. That's what I'm doing. Well, the red light goes through the body. It affects any cell that it touches.

The mitochondria in that cell start to operate better. So if it touches the lighting cells, which are in the testicles, they'll produce more testosterone, more sperm, more whatever. You shine it on your skin, it makes the skin rejuvenate. You shine it on your scalp, you regrow hair, you know that kind of stuff. So pretty wild.

I wish Juve would do like some sort of a home light system. Like use their technology and you'd be like how sick. Like a pair of underwear that's gonna run. No, no, no, I've told you guys before like. Like six, seven p.m. and you flip it. Yeah, it's like I wish I could have it. I wish my whole of underwear that's gonna run. No, no, no. I've told you guys before like, like six, seven PM and you flip it. Yes. Like I wish I could have it. Like I wish my whole bathroom was that. I know. Like there's no reason I need regular light in my bathroom. Like so that every time I get up in the morning, I just hit my light. Which is there. Yeah. And I'm showering, I'm brushing my teeth and like, I'm just getting it that way. Cause the one thing that if I'm ever

inconsistent, it's just having a routine of going over. Frequency with it wins. Yeah, as stupid as it may sound, is like, I know to discipline myself, to carve out 10 to 20 minutes to sit in front of it. Like I've done it pretty good. Like right now, the new thing I'm doing is, Max and I, a lot of times we take a bath or at the same time, right?

And afterwards, him and I will all turn it on and sit in front of it and we play and we mess around and I get dry and just like, I'm just kind of hanging out in front of it. But I'm just, that's what I'm doing right now. Then it'll be inconsistent for a while. If it was in my light system to where my bathroom lights were all the infrared lights like that, I would totally pay for that.

Oh yeah, I'd do that too. I pretty much do that in my bathroom though. Mine's hanging on my door and I usually take a shower with that, just that light on only. So that's what I was doing. So, and I usually take a shower with that, just that light on only. So that's what I was doing, so, and I wanted to look up, I don't know if Sal, you would- How close you have to be. Well, so, I do the meditation right up against the panel.

So that's what is most effective. So that's why, okay, so I have a big glass shower, and I had it mounted up outside the shower, shooting through the glass on me. Yeah, you're probably losing. I was wondering- I think you're probably losing a little bit. I gotta be, right? It's the glass on me. Yeah, you're probably losing. I was wondering. I think you're probably losing a little bit. I gotta be, right?

It's gotta be through that thick glass. I mean, it feels like I'm getting it, but I can't tell, right? And so- I mean, you're getting some. I know, better, that's what kinda, the attitude I had was like, listen, at least I'm doing it, if I was doing it,

I was doing it every time I took a shower, and I was twice a day, right? So I was like, at least I'm getting the frequency of the red light. But that's what I mean, like, there's a market there, Juve, if you're listening, like to create some sort of home light system that's I mean like there's a market there juve if you're listening like to Create some sort of home light system. I know that there many have you seen you've seen there many Yeah, that all right there that one so that one everybody in my family loves that's the one every because they put it on their face

I like the fact that so yeah, my sister loves that because she works on for the company on the computer So she just sets it right here as her next door computer screen So it's blasting her in the face while she's working on the computer screen. Yeah, so I think that's a good way to do it. Hey, I wanna ask you, cause you brought this up, and I said let's save this for the podcast, good discussion. You were talking about washing your car

and using like a foam. Oh, like the foam spray that you use the whole car with. Oh yes, so, and I have a comment on it. First off, talk about this foam thing that you're using. So it just sprays foam. Yeah, so if you ever,

I don't even know if you guys have ever paid attention to our car wash guys, right, when they go out there and clean the cars, like they're like the, the companies that you hired to do that, they have all these toys and I, and I would watch and I'd have them come to my house and do my stuff and I had been watching them do mine. I'm like, man, that's sick. Like if I had like, you know, it reminds me of a, when we saw that guy use a lasers in the middle to level everything and like easily hang up. Oh yeah. I was like, laser level?

Yes. I had lasers with that. Yeah, yeah. Dude construction. I was just saying. Like you're in a plumb line. What the fuck? Hey, I was the same way too.

I've been trying to hang pictures up with friggin' rulers and all kinds of crazy. Exactly where the studs are and everything. Yeah. Like dude. Yeah, you set it up in the center of the room, mount it, it's like yeah, yeah. So yeah, I like that. It's like that yeah, yeah. So yeah, I like that.

It's like that for car washing. I mean, and what it is. So the part that I like least about washing my own car is the soaping part, is going back to the bucket, doing a panel, back to the bucket, doing a panel. And then it's like, that's taking you 15 minutes just to get that one side of the car so you don't want to dry. So you rinse it off, and then you start over,

and you kind of go do that whole. thing it's it's got a canister that hooks up to the pressure washer that's got the soap in the soap yeah and so you literally like it looks like you spray paint the car I mean you just and then it a thick just coat of all over it and then you come back and you you hit the whole car so it's like it saves me so much time it's I don't know there's something about it I like. Such an old guy conversation. So here's the case. Barbecue directions.

You guys have found this dad hack. It's amazing. I haven't washed my car by myself like personally I haven't washed my own car probably for two decades. Wow. Easily. That's one of the first things outsourced is have someone else do it for you. Cause you don't even care though. You know what I'm saying?

Oh, I'll do it. I'll get a good job. No, no, no. I mean like you don't even care about cars. That's what I'm saying. When you wash your car, you're kind of like, you talk to your car? No, I don't talk to it.

But there is something, so, okay, we, you know, for the audience, right? So we all get our cars washed. Okay. We all get our cars washed. Get all get our cars washed and I and I have the car guy come to the house and I actually there was a part of me that was missing it like I like there's a part that's washing your car yes it's I it's therapeutic for me I do it my kids is it sure like on a warm evening yes it's so

nice to wash your car I put my, I roll my speakers out. I cannot connect to this at all. I roll to my speakers out to the garage or I have headphones on and I go to town. Dude, I wash it. It's also escape from the wife. It's like, what are you escaping from? I'm just meditating with the, yeah. So here's my little car wash toy.

Oh, it's here. A leaf blower. Yeah. When you get done, dry it with a leaf blower. and then I take a towel and just do the rest of it You guys gas powered? No, no, I have electric one. That is a massive hack cuz one of the other headaches I gas power fucking everything now Hey one of the other headaches of washing the car is if right after it's all beat it up If it takes 40 towels because they soak up all the water or you have to have one of those like, you know, whatever, ShamWow type of towels, or you use a

blower and you blow all the heavy water off. And then you come back and you touch it. You are so passionate about it right now. I'm so glad I asked you. I'm into it. I like, and like it's at the McGuire's wax and I have it all. And I miss wax your own car. I miss. Yeah, I have all that. So I missed it. I missed that because we were paying for someone to do it and obviously there was a nice luxury to having someone do it and then I'm like you know what like half of the appreciation of me having this machinery that I like because you know I'm into cars is just like yeah I like to take care of my stuff like that yeah my cars are all like the only you know

cars trash my wife's car car that's that's the only car that's trash, my wife's car. It's the only car that's not. That's the only car that's not. The mom wagon, dude. It's got all the rappers. And I just let go of carrying. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know what? Hey, that's dirty socks and everything.

Yeah. And her defense, she's got the little one in her car all the time. I don't have that. So of course, like she's got, and she's every time to and from, he's got stuff. But I can't deal with it. Like, I have to have my.

I put my son in the back sometimes. he thinks it's funny to like to hit the controls with his foot in the back I'm like he's just a troublemaker bro he's just testing all the time. If he finds buttons he is on fire dude. So okay so you always make fun of me of these type of things like you don't have like what are the things that... What are you of these types of things. Like you don't have like, what are the things that- What are you trying to say, bro? Yeah, okay. You don't know that that's you, Sal?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, not that part. I mean, like going back to the car wash thing for me. Like you gotta have some things like that, right? That you, I know Justin's his guitar, right? Justin will go down probably downstairs his basement for two hours by himself. I didn't wanna say it, cause I'm embarrassed.

Damn, yeah, you got me. Yeah, I wanna know know what is it? Supplements bro, I'll prepare like my formula for the morning. No way. Do you still make up your own versions and concoctions? Cause I know you used to like order like just this raw material and then you'd get it and.

Oh yeah, I still do that. So do you- It's not a good obsession. Okay, so okay, now I'm curious. So like I'm gonna work out tomorrow and if I get this much sleep and I'll go stimulant heavy here or. Oh my God, you really think that?

I'm gonna go heavy on the nitric. Of course you do, why didn't I think of that? Of course you do. Oh, I need more of an adaptogen feel for this workout and so I'll combine. So I'll have like, if you come to my house in the kitchen, because I wake up before Jessica does, right? I feed the baby, I'll bring her coffee

and then I take care of our three-year-old then she'll come down I'll typically leave to go work out and so when you come you'll see I'll have a little cup prepared with like multiple different types of pills and it changes and it changes yeah it's not always the same no there's there's some certain staples in there of course like vitamin D and probably some of the statement not for pre-workout but like you know caffeine will always be in there in some some way shape or form but then there's other certain staples in there. Of course, like vitamin D and probably some of the staples. Not for pre-workout, but like, you know, caffeine will always be in there in some way, shape or form. But then there's other things that also.

Okay, so you have, cause I know you also carry your, you carry your supplement purse. See, it's embarrassing. No, no, you did it to me. You did it to me here, so okay. So I know you have your. Yours is not like a dysfunctional. I don't know if it actually, is it a dysfunctional?

Yeah, I don't know, maybe, ask my wife. You wash your car twice a day? We have quite a few cars, you know what I'm saying? So maybe it's I don't know. Maybe that's my wife. You wash your car twice a day. We have quite a few cars. You know, maybe it's a little, it's a little dysfunctional. All right. So you, okay. So racing gloves.

So you, yeah. All right. That's pretty funny. Who the fuck wears racing gloves? It's a little, maybe a little. Just a little. They're expensive ones. They're legit.

You got really good ones. Yeah, yeah. They match the car too. You know what I'm saying? All right. All right. Well, enough of me. We already did. We already to write me a book. Say that, dude. Match the car, too. You know what I'm saying? I do. All right, enough of me. We already went through me.

All right, you're right. So you've got that. That's centered around morning workout. But then you also have your man purse here that you carry with all these supplements. Now, do you have those in little pill things? Or do you just have a, you know? Because I always see you reach in there,

and between podcasts, and we're like, you're always throwing out, you are right. Is he not always doing that every time I look over and I never really pay attention. Like what does he take you? Every once in a while you throw me, Hey, take this. I'm like, okay, what do we take you right now? In between a microwave meal. The combinations, uh, depend on what I'm looking for. So I have certain products, supplements in there,

and I'll know like, oh, I want this, I want a little of that, or I'm gonna help with this. Oh, interesting. See, I just assume that- It's always the same thing? Yeah. No. Oh.

Yeah, because any time I've tried to be good about my- It's AI supplements. So you're going this way. Yeah. Are you just like constantly seeking new feelings by doing all this? Yeah. Or avoiding feelings, Justin.

If you really want to get deep, that's probably what's happening. I didn't know it was going to turn into- Oh, my drinks are coming out of my nose. seeking new feelings by doing all this? Or avoiding feelings, Justin. If you really want to get deep, that's probably what's happening. I didn't know it was going to turn into a deep. Oh, my drinks are coming out of my nose. What the hell? Do you want to be real? You want to be true to your feelings?

I forgot my arm chair here. I tried to avoid my feet. You've done a lot of therapy. I'm really not the guy to open up to you about this. I started realizing that's what I'm trying to do. Oh, wow. That's too real. That's what I got too real.

Honestly, I'm still obsessed with workouts and the stuff that's centered around workouts. So like, totally, I'm working out at a different gym now and I think about the equipment that they have and I'm like the combination of them and I'm gonna do this and that, you know? So I can connect a little bit to that. I was, do you remember me when we were meeting

when I was training for getting like competitive shape? You remember? I would meet with him and I felt like that. I was so... He was geeking out on like every new thing. Yeah, I would come in. But yours was for a point, like a purpose. Well, yeah.

Mine is for the hell of it. Like what am I doing? I'm not competing. That's all right, but I mean, I can kind of get it because I understand that the obsession of that and tweaking all that stuff. Well, we all have that in common. Dude, look at this vein.

Well, all of us kind of have that in common. We have this obsessive side. So we'll get into something. I get like that with topics. If I start getting obsessed about a topic, there was like a two year period where I got into physics. What? Why?

I don't know. I just got into physics and there was another like, well, eight year period I got into economics just for some reason. I read these books or whatever. So I can get very obsessive. We all have that. We all have that. And do you, I mean, I know we were laughing about it,

like avoiding or whatever, but is it therapeutic in a sense to you? Of course. Yeah, of course. I think you get lost in your obsession and everything else kind of melts away. You guys feel like that, right? It's that when you're like, you're so present

because you're in your focus that. I love that. I think it's such a healthy thing for someone to have. That's why, I mean, what made me reengage and do this, going full circle, the car foam talk again, is like I was losing that. Again, I reached a place where I didn't need to wash any of my cars, right? So paying someone else to do it. And then I felt like, man, I was missing that. Like again, I reached a place where I didn't need to wash any of my cars, right?

So paying someone else to do it. And then I felt like, man, I was missing out on something. How funny is that? Like I wanted the labor back. I was like, you know, I- That's awesome though. Right, it was like, hey, I worked really hard to be able to, I mean, and it really was that.

It was a bit of me like being introspective and thinking back to like childhood, right? Like, and I try to do this, like where I have these moments where I just stop when I'm by myself and kind of just trying to be grateful for the work that I get to do, the things that I've caught. I mean, there was a time when I was a 16 year old boy, when I said things like, man, if I could just have that or just do like, I did it. Yeah, you have it.

Yeah, I have it. And so, and then, and then what? I outsource cleaning it now? It's like, damn, like that part of that. I remember as a a kid thinking about I would take such good care of it and I would be like thinking and now I'm like Already, yeah, you could take care of like no like so there was a part of me that was Was getting that bad doing things for the sake of the enjoyment of doing it. I think it's an awesome thing Yeah, I had a moment kind of like that, but it was like mainly just watching my son And I had told you guys a while back, like he had met some of these neighborhood kids and they kind of started their own little group to call it like the super sports bros SSB.

Oh, I was like, Oh, that's a B time, you know? And like, so he just reconnected. I think they had like a fallen out, like like months back, but they just got back together and so they're back at it. And what's great about it is they're the ones that do the walkie talkie and then they move one to one person's house, they play there, they come back like before dinner, you know, when it gets real dark and all the parents are kind of privy to like where they're at and all this kind of stuff. And I sent a video to you guys of when, so I, you know,

in front of my house, there's this little patch I, you know, in front of my house, there's this little patch of, you know, like artificial turf. And they just decided to do like a pickup football game and they did like basketball, they do football and then they did like tether ball and like everything was like rough. It was like, and I had a moment where I was like, I was out there like, Ooh, well, cause I have these other kids here, like, I don't want anybody to get hurt. And, you know, like, kind of coaching them on like, how to be careful. And this I'm like, dude, what am

I doing? You know, like, I didn't have that person there, like, Oh, watch out. Oh, don't go that hard. Oh, no, you're gonna get hurt. And I was just like, I let him figure it out. And so I just started like, Yeah, like cheering for him and stuff. And then I would I like remove myself. And I was just watching like, yeah, like cheering for him and stuff. And then I would, I like remove myself. And I was just watching from the kitchen, you know, through the window and it was just amazing to watch them like, you know, they, they, they, you know,

do something really rough and get kind of herbivore and like kind of brush it off. And then they're just still cool and nobody's getting upset or angry. It's just like, wow, like this still can happen. I was, I hope you really appreciate, you know, what you have fostered with those boys because as a young, as a, as a dad who was a young kid right now, who's raising in this time right now, one of my biggest fears is that my son doesn't

even want to do those things. So I think about that a lot and you know, you've really fostered that at the house and to be able to sit back now at the age he's at where it's not like you had to go tell him, go play football or go do these things, like he gravitated towards that. That's such a cool thing. It's also the group of kids. Like that's the hard part, dude, is finding kids that your kid jives with that wants to do that.

Seriously, dude. Yeah, and it's harder these days because we used, when we grew up, we always grew up with neighborhood kids. Kids now make friends with kids that live far away or whatever. Yeah. So it's really different. Like when I was a kid, I would just go outside

and there were the neighborhood kids. Even if they weren't the ones I went to school with, there were always the neighborhood kids that we would, you know, hang out with. It is different like that for sure. So that's, I mean, I hope you appreciate that. That's a really cool. Try to take a moment really to like take it in and be like, yeah, this is

great. Do you, I mean, you guys remember the games you played, uh, growing up? You know, we used to play, we played tackle full tackle football, of course, no pads or nothing. And it was raining out, right? Yeah. It was like boxing. We get boxing runs. My first pair, my grandmother in fourth grade bought me my first pair of Jordans and they weren't even a week old. And I went out and played knee football in the mud and destroyed them. Like that's what happened when you get a fourth, a fourth grader shoes like that.

They're probably just not ready. Now, did you know what you did when you came home? That sounds like it. You know, when I think back to it, like I can, I remember that whole day. I, you know what it was? I love those shoes so much. I wanted to wear them everywhere. That's your only thought process. That's exactly what I thought. It was not like, oh, I need to take care of these. It was like, I love these so much and I was so proud to have them. I wore them everywhere. And then what I did was I went down the hill. So I lived up on this hill out in the country and I went down the hill to the neighbor's house and it was after a super rainy day,

all muddy and we're like, let's play new football. And it new football and it was like yeah good idea wasn't like I put them on going like I'm gonna play knee football in my Jordans you know it was like they were my favorite shoes and then it was far enough away where it didn't even dawn on me I should probably go back home and put crappier shoes on it was just did it and then little kids are like that yeah like something they'll be like can I wear this every day when I think back to it like what was I thinking like you weren't you were just day? It makes no sense when I think back to it. Like, what was I thinking? Like, you weren't, you were just a kid. Yeah, but totally destroyed them.

I destroyed the shoes. When Jessica was little, she didn't have a lot of money when she was a kid, and her parents bought her like these, these like Minnie Mouse, you know, nicer kind of glasses frames. And she was there as a kid when they were picking them out, and the guy selling them was like,

oh, these are really strong frames. You can like stand on these and they wouldn't even break. So when she went to school, she told the kid, she strong frames. You can stand on these and they wouldn't even break. So when she went to school, she told the kid, she's like, you can stand on these and they won't break. He's like, no, they'll break. And then she goes, no, they won't. So she put them on the floor. The kid stood on them and broke her glasses.

So she didn't have glasses for a whole year. They couldn't afford to buy another one. Oh, god. Brutal. I mean, that is. That's what the guy said. I know. That's how I think that brain works at that age,

you know what I'm saying? You don't even process that. It's so funny. Dude, I got a that's like how the brain works at that age, you know what I'm saying? Like you don't even process that. It's so funny. Dude, I got a quote for you, Adam, that I want you, I think, I thought immediately Adam would like this quote. Okay, that's it. Plato, you know Plato was, right?

Plato's philosopher. Yeah, let's see if I've heard it. He who does not desire power is fit to hold it. Oh, I love that. It's kind of like- Isn't that amazing, that wisdom? I mean, just know this. I mean, we've said, we've talked about this before.

I don't know who said it after him about like the ones ones that should be in power the ones that don't want it Yeah, so that's probably what it's probably derived from that original because he goes back further Isn't that interesting like the people that like seek it so strongly and make a whole career out of it There's something wrong with that person. Yeah, once that's so bad fundamentally wrong. We should not let them have it You just reminded me of something. Do you know that, remember I told you guys that the other day I actually was going through our YouTube comments?

I tell you not, I told you it ruined my fucking day. Yeah. And I told you the whole Jen Cohen thing. And then I saw another comment someone made about, remember when I brought up that comment about what do you guys want to be remembered as a father, or remembered as when you die and stuff like that, or whatever? And like somebody like talking

about how narcissistic I am because I said I want to be a good father. Like fuck you. Like seriously, like first of all, we don't have a choice. We're known. Okay. Millions of people listen to this show every two years. So where there's no getting away from being known. So what I want to be known for is being a good dad. Like I'm not like seeking for other, that's where they, they, the way they positioned it was like, I like, they're like, why don't you just go be a good dad instead of like wanting everyone else to know what a good dad you are. Like you can do both. Like fuck off, bro.

Like really? Like that was not the point of the exercise. That's not the worst comment. The worst comment I ever saw was one of our old YouTube videos was me demonstrating exercise. Weak chest. That's the class I said. That's a good one. That's a funny one.

That's a funny one. People are working on that forever. That's hell of a funny one. But I mean, just a toxic place, I tell you why. It's like, man, you can't have a real dialogue with you guys at all without being fucking judged by somebody. You know what I'm saying? Staying off that fucking thing. No more.

No more going on that thing. Hey, I found another cool thing. You guys want to guess what the longest sanctioned fight ever was? Longest boxing match ever. Ooh, 20 or 21 rounds. Is that right? What about you?

What do you think? Remember, remember. Well, this is bare knuckle. They went forever. No, this was 1913, so think of the times. Oh, so is it to the death they don't even have, because there was a point when boxing was 24 hour fight. Well, so this fight happened in 1913 between Dick Hyland and Ray Campbell.

It lasted 110 rounds, because neither one of them. Bro, how is that possible? I'm looking at the picture, they'll post it up. These guys. I mean. Yeah. Back and forth, back and forth. It was seven hours and 19 minutes long

and it was declared a no contest. Later changed to a draw because neither one of them. And they didn't like win any money or anything. Because it was all like whoever gives up or no the fight fights in those days some of these fights were whoever gets knocked out yeah someone gives up right over you got paid no hey imagine like these guys like tough yeah seven hours we're such pussies they just there it is right there let's do you got to do the picture of the actual after the match.

What was up with the guys holding the hand like that? I always liked this pose. Yeah, like, I like that. Anyway, I'll send you the picture, but their faces are all destroyed. I have something for you guys. I came across this, I thought it was really interesting. This is most profit made in a single day

by some of the world's largest companies. Any guesses on? So profits or sales? Profits, okay. Largest, yeah. So most profit made in a single day by some of the world's largest companies. I'm gonna guess one of them is Apple.

Pfizer's vaccine. Oh, fuck. Well, that's force, isn't it? Okay, so I would. Yeah, let's go with it. Damn, that was a good one. Mandated. I was gonna guess Apple when they released

one of their iPhones. What a great guess, that is number one. Yeah, that's what I thought. Number one is, number one is. Which iPhone? It doesn't say that, it just says the profit. So Apple was, in a single day, 376.8 million dollars in one day, profit, right?

Number two, Microsoft, 246.2 million in a single day. Number three, Google, 238.9 million in a single day. Number four, Meta, okay, Facebook, 175.5 million in a day. Newer company, so Nvidia, 135.7 million in a day. That's like one of the fastest growing companies right now, by the way They're all they're all the AI stuff. Oh Maybe you can look up who is that? That's not a Sam Altman. Is it also Amazon 121.9 Exxon

111.1 JP Morgan 100.9 and then Walmart and Visa at the same round, 54. I was actually surprised that your Pfizer wasn't up there. I would have guessed. Well, I don't think they, I think there's some kind of qualifications at this point. Yeah, dude, because they had guaranteed.

Because it was, yeah, oh, yeah. Yeah, that's a real, I don't know why I didn't even think, I didn't even think that that would be. Or any pharmaceutical company. There's none on here, so maybe it was just straight. Wow, Nvidia, oh, it starts with an N. I don't know why I said that. I'll spell it differently. Jensen Huang. Yeah, I heard that about Apple iPhone for sure. And they still like are crazy profitable, right? Like Apple. Every launch. Oh yeah.

Don't they have some of the most cash? Yeah, they have the most cash. Yeah, they know. They definitely. I heard that they actually stopped a halted production in their car. Yeah, they know they definitely. I heard that they actually stopped. They halted production in their car. Uh, yes, completely. Yeah. Yes. Oh, did you hear all the other companies that are remember I brought up like I think it was last year when all the companies signed those deals that they would guarantee no more, which is why I got into the buying the V eights and stuff like that. I told you guys, because it by yeah, by 2025 by 2030, all these companies said, no, we won't have any more gas. All of them are taking back that.

Really? Yep. Almost all of them. Yeah. I think there's only a couple of companies left that are still like, I mean, there was a couple companies that said they wouldn't even agree to that. And then a lot of the companies that agreed to a cutoff date.

Because it wasn't market driven, was it? No, not at all. It was all driven by false signals. And they're looking at it, it's just like, it's not adding up. OK, so did you see anything about the Toyota CEO? Because he came out. Toyota was one of the ones that said they wouldn't do that. Yeah, he was like, no.

Yeah, they were one of the, so that a lot of people. Any production of EV. Yes. They were one of the companies that actually saw the writing on the wall from the beginning and said, no, we're not agreeing, which is ironic, because they were some of the first to adopt saw the writing on the wall from the beginning and said, no, we're not agree. Which is ironic because they were some of the first to adopt it with the Prius and things like that. Yes.

So, which is makes sense. Well, maybe they're in early and they've saw it. That's why they saw it. They saw that it's, I mean, listen, how many people did the same thing that I did? Still this day when I see Priusolla back in 2010, I think, somewhere around that time, I sat down one day, I got my report from Wells Fargo on my gas expenditure. I never paid attention to it. And I went, holy, back then I was driving a lifted big old truck, right? Like probably eight miles to the gallon. And I was spending $800 a month in gas back then. And I sat down and I did the math, like, okay, how many miles is that based off of eight

miles per gallon? It's like, and then I went, oh, wow, if I drove a car that got 30 miles to the gallon or more, 50% of the time I could afford a $500 car payment and still be saving money. I literally went and bought a car the next day. My thought was I'm gonna go buy a Prius. There's a Prius at that time was 50, they were touting 50, 60 miles a gallon. And then when I went down to Toyota, the Corolla was like 15 to 20 grand less than what the Prius was. And then it would take 10 years of driving the Prius longer than the Corolla before it made a difference in the payment. So I was like, Oh, the wild, like a 1980 something civic, those things, that crazy ironic, like even the environmental things that they were promoting.

It's like, you look into it further and it doesn't add up, you know, because it, what's actually powering these vehicles to recharge them. Yeah. Yeah. It's fuel. It's not, it's not batteries, you know, and also how do you discard the batteries? Yeah They're an environmental hazard. There's a lot of problems stacking up. There's a lot of problems It's just it's just like whatever we're promoted

It's all like this just has to be driven by the market and by innovation and that's that's gonna do that's just gonna solve the problem The best otherwise we're gonna be wasting a lot of resources Nuclear plus now you give kill switch to the government. Oh did you guys not see that? Yeah they passed that. Did you know? Did you not see Ford? No. Oh my god that was all my notes to bring that up. I can't believe I forgot to add that to the notes. Look up Ford announces, I'll pull up the article right now. I think they're the new models that are coming out there so this is how it's gonna work. So you miss a payment or something like that? off your conditioning you're then if you

don't pay again shut off no way yes bro to the point where they should all the way down yes repo I got it you know yes it's as has and they can repo it and drive the car back you don't say you know what we people this is the deal people when you're making a car payment you don't own the car yeah yeah that's right that's so people getting pissed off about that. It's just, they don't realize you don't own the car. The bank owns the car. No, yeah. That doesn't concern me at all. What concerns me is the limitations that the government might impose. Yeah. of a patent application for self-driving cars to drive away from their owners. Drive away from them?

This payment towards proposal will force the car to drive itself to a repossession agency. If the car drive away, it would be a last resort. The patent application shows Ford would first pressure delinquent owners by disabling some of the car's features like the air conditioning or having the audio system play unpleasant unpleasant torture How do you like that your car tortures you Every ten seconds you owe us money. Yeah, you owe us money dude. It drives away from you You imagine you pull up you get out of your car

Bro, could you imagine could you imagine you're on a date and you Pay your bill pay your bill pay your bill Barcing you have ever been that broke. Oh a girl out you probably shouldn't have Yeah, I came back from college you pretend you forgot your friend That happened to me. Oh, yeah, I came back from college. Did you pretend you forgot your credit card? Well, I just like, I thought I didn't add up. And she looked at the menu.

Yeah. You like the, you like the hot dog, right? She's like, no, I think I'll take this thing. Yeah, I didn't add it all up. I had missed the payment. Like I was broke, dude. Like legit broke. And I just was trying to like be sly about it.

And I had gave her like two cards that declined. And then, oh, so bad. And then she just kind of looked at me. And then I finally got one, like whatever I could scrape off of like these two ATM cards. Oh my God. And finally like made it happen. And then, you know, try and like act smooth after that.

And like done. Like no second day. Yeah, no second day. No second day. Yeah, but now look at you, huh? Yeah. Bet you regret it now. Yeah, no second day. No second day. Yeah, but now look at you, huh? Yeah, I bet you regret it now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, three now.

Isn't that crazy though about that? I mean, we talked about that. It'll just drive away from you, that's hilarious. It says Ford drops the attempt to patent tech, allowing lenders to remotely metal with cars. I guess it's not very popular with the consumers. I mean, yeah. Are facing increased, oh, so automakers are facing increased scrutiny

for their data collection and remote access policies for vehicles. I don't, is this the last cry? Remember I was telling you guys before that, so insurance companies now are tapping into this and it's like if you can, if you have all these GPSs on all these cars, you can learn all the behaviors like,

oh, Sal drives by the 7-Eleven every single morning at 8 a.m. So you're starting with Teslas and things that are all hooked in. Think about how it's gonna advertise to you. It's really serious companies too. They were like taking advantage of that, right? They had like a thing you could put on your car

to basically show the amount of wear and tear and like how hard you're driving it and all that stuff. So you get like a lowered... Yeah. Have you guys not ever noticed how often... I use Waz every day because I have to go through traffic and so I use... Is it Waz or Waze? Waze, I think. I say... I used to say Waze and everybody corrected me and said it was Waz.

Okay. Well, whatever. I don't know. I do use it sometimes. You don't have to model. So if you... I don't know how often you use it. Pay attention next time you use it, because it learns all your normal behaviors and figures out, like, before I can even put stuff in, it knows what time I'm driving and knows where I'm going.

Yeah. It goes, oh, on your way to work. So your nitro's ready to start a bus. And then it hits me on all my, it will advertise to me as I'm driving on the road past, like, 7-Eleven and stuff. It'll pop up with an ad for me to get, like you know, two egg rolls for 2.99 or what that. So it's already, you're already seeing it in apps,

they're trying to get it to where the cars, it's all built into the smart car like that to where it'll be able to do that. So yeah, we're not that far away from that happening. But that's what that, what he just pulled up is more related to that than the Ford thing that we first. Yeah, I don't like, I don't like anyone having the ability to turn my car off. No, I don't like anyone having the ability

to turn my car off. No, hell no. I get it if you don't own your car or whatever, but I don't know. I don't like the government having that power. That's why I'm going all in on the old cars, the old vehicles, the ones that like manually you can go in there and you could put a new,

whatever, carburetor in there. You can like, you know, you have some bit of say. Because if you do have any kind of computer, can yeah hack in I say it doesn't even matter yeah if you have like on star if you got on star star like they can because on star can shut down your car doesn't exist anymore do they still have on star yeah oh yeah all gm all the GMs all the GM models have it oh yeah yeah you may you may not have it activated in your painful but you they have access to it it's in there yeah if you like you like, uh, didn't you see, uh, was it

Brendan who rolled his car rolled his, uh, whatever and the on-star thing started to go off because it recognized that his car flipped and everything like that. Yeah. Yeah. So it's, even if you're not paying for the service that has all the, all the cart stuff on it, they still have a GPS on you and they know where you're at. Yeah. You know, what I forgot to mention is that one thing I have pieced together with the supplements, just going to go back for a second, is the one addition that I've noticed makes a big difference in my workouts is the LMNT. One full packet before I work out.

Okay, so now is that, because you're experimenting on it, is that something that is a consistent thing? Now it is. Okay. So I do a full, like a big, what is that, 16 ounce, 20 ounce thing of water with one packet and I drink that before my workout. Way better. Now I've heard you say too though

that there's a lot of times that you'll do two a day. Is there? The second one's during the workout. Now is that also always or is that dependent on? Always. No, it's almost always. Almost always. So I go one first, one before and then one during.

But it makes a huge, just drinking a lot of water before your workout makes a big difference. Adding the sodium made a huge difference Yeah with the element. Yeah. Well, I think especially I mean the thing that I think I've learned the most about The electrolytes and the sodium and all that with us is that and I really pieced this together back in the competing days was that when you eat clean whole foods and you're you eat like that you eat the cleanest out of all of us probably and You just don't get that much. You don't get nowhere near what you get when you eat out all the time. Like the normal American diet. So it's like when you switch over

to dieting and getting in shape, you need to add sodium. Absolutely that everybody should probably. Well, I've noticed even too, cause I've been trying to drink more water, cause I've been getting headaches sometimes and notice that if I do add a bit of element T in some sodium, it does help actually reduce my have you seen this have you seen the data on sodium supplementation and migraines huh makes a big difference yeah positive one and you get that it's pretty

regular yeah I do you get a week yeah at least one yeah Wow I remember when I piece that together I used to do dill pickles I used to keep dill pickles in there and if I started to feel headache coming on I go crush that's the one thing I never get headache no I can I might get one there and if I start to feel a headache coming on I go crush it. That's the one thing I never get. A headache? No, I can, I might get one every five years. I do. At the most. You know what gives them to me is when we're in here for a long time.

When we're in here for a long time. Feel the tension headache. Yeah, that's how I get that. Like I have my teeth are just, I mean there's a whole lot going on. Didn't you just chip on your teeth? Yes, my tooth. How did you do that? I have to get fixed. I don't know. I don't know.'t you just chip on your teeth? Yes, my tooth. How did you do that? I have to get fixed.

I don't know. I don't know. You just woke up? I don't even know if I'm like sitting and just, I could be doing that. There's a good chance that's happening. I have no idea. Like you guys don't even tell me nothing. Like, dude, hey, relax your face.

Bro, if you're clenching, I'll tell you. Like say something. When did you notice when you woke up or was it like halfway through the day? No, it was like when I noticed when I felt like a sore on the bottom of my tongue I was like, oh, what is this and then I come back and then there's like this jagged spot That's really stabbing. Oh my god tongue and so you swallowed the other piece probably. Yeah It's probably it's probably good for justQ. Just as that. Calcium. Remember Never Ending Story?

The Rock Monster? You remember that? Yeah, yeah. It's my favorite clip that we did about him when we were talking about him. Yeah, yeah. Back when I made fun of him is his old teeth. Hey, I don't want to forget. I want to, because I've been meaning to give you a hard time about the Cybertruck.

Yeah. Right? Because they're all over now. You guys seen them all over? I've seen a couple of them. They look wild. They're wildlier in person. Yeah, they. Because they're all over now. You guys seen them all? I've seen a couple of them. They look they're glaring person. Yeah, they're popping up. They are and you know, do you hear the big pushback right now? Because we just had all this rain that come through. They rust hell easy. Oh, no, because they're steel. And so if you don't pay

for it to get wrapped or or protected or what that like that shit's rusting. bulletproof. Yeah, look up look up. Cyber truck and rain. That's all you gotta Google it. It pops up everywhere. Oh no. Yep. I'd be hell mad. That's a problem, yeah.

So you have to. I mean, didn't they learn that from, didn't DeLorean go through that whole thing? It's like, so it's, it's. Wait, isn't it stainless steel? Doesn't stainless steel not rust? Or is it still rust? I mean, it's.

Obviously it does. Finds a way. Yeah, you, did you, did you pull up? Did you type in what I said? Yeah, so it seems that they are rusting in the rain, but there's some details here I need to read ahead and see. Just pull a picture. There's all kinds of stuff. It's propaganda. I mean the wrapped ones actually look better.

The black wrapped one that I saw was cool. You know what I like? So it's an oxidated layer. I don't think it's really rust. It's stainless steel. Yeah, so it's an oxidated layer. I don't think it's really rust. It's stainless steel. Yes. All right. Cause I feel like, I feel like a surface sort of, um, so just, so your car just look rusty. No, I saw one on the freeway. I saw one on the freeway. Punch it. First off, it's big. I haven't seen any of them. It's a, it's a big, tall, it's big.

It's like six or 8,000 pounds, some of that. Oh, it is massive. It's huge, dude. And so I saw one on the freeway hella big, and then I saw it take off. That thing, man, it moved. Did you hear the numbers on his, what, his next Model S or whatever that's coming out?

Or the, is it the Model S? He talked about it on Rogan again, too. The coupe? The new, the next sport one that he's building, it's like zero to 60 in 1.2 seconds. Wow. That's gonna be so cool. And supposedly that's like the least interesting thing

about it, it's supposed to be like crazy. I know he's, I think he's been talking about for like a year or two and it hasn't, it hasn't come out yet. It's been like two years delayed or something, right? Yeah, yeah. I think I know what you're talking about. 6,600 pounds.

Yes. Oh wow. That's heavy. That's heavier than our cars for sure. Is it? Yeah, ours are 6,62 or 64, that's heavy. That's heavier than our cars for sure. Is it? Yeah, ours are 62 or 64 or something like that. So that's a big heavy car. Interesting. But I mean, what I'm seeing is them popping up

and I guess the stainless steel doesn't rust. By the way, did you guys learn this the other day? Did you know if your company, if you as a company buy or lease a car and it's over, I wanna say. 6,000 pounds. With someone in there, they even let you add a passenger. If it's over 6,000 pounds, it gets a special deduction. Yeah.

As a commercial vehicle. Yeah. Right? Yeah. You can do that already. Yeah, you know that. I do? Yeah, you do. Yeah. Okay. That's how you have one. Listen, I just show up.

I just show up with my supplements. Yeah, that's it, bro. Show up optimized. Wow. Who we got to shout out today? Who we got? Who we gonna send some love to? Justin had somebody.

I did? I don't know. Oh, I got someone. And you know what? Because Sal hasn't watched it yet, I'm going to shout it out to our audience, is octopus murders on Netflix. Yes, okay. I tell you what. We're gonna talk about it in the next episode.

We're gonna be intentionally. You have to watch that this coming week, Sal, because I'll do my best. You may catch me wearing a tinfoil hat now. Really? Yeah, that's how. Oh, wow. It's very revealing.

That's how much of an impact it made on me. Really? Yeah. So like it's like a big deal? Yeah. Oh yeah. It's tangible evidence. Yeah.

Let's just put it out there. All right. Are you interested in learning more or potentially using peptides? Things like BPC 157 accelerates healing of tissue, including collagen and joint health. Or about TB 500 or thymus and beta helps with recovery of muscle fibers and other tissues in the body. What about growth hormone releasing peptides or how about GLP-1 agonists

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What is the best exercise for posture? Posture. Okay. So someone listening may think there's an obvious answer to that, but the truth is now there's exercises that are probably better for most people's posture, which we'll get to, but the truth is when you're talking about posture, this is an interplay between a lot of different muscles. You have obviously the muscles of the back, the muscles, your glutes, which hold

you up, you have your hip flexors, which oppose the glutes and keep your pelvis in a nice, you know, position. You have all the muscles of the core. Like all these muscles have to be in the right balance with the right stability to give you what would be considered good posture. By the way, good posture meaning you hold yourself upright nicely, you feel comfortable, you can move with good mobility, so that can vary from person to person. So that's the big answer.

Now the more specific answer, most people, some type of a row probably would help them because most people have forward shoulder. I was going to say a more generic broad answer but pretty applicable to everybody would be the entire posterior posterior driven because we're so anteriorly driven meaning we do everything in front of us right nobody does anything back here right nobody works their hands or their feet back behind them and so all those muscles on your backside are just underworked in comparison to the ones in the front and so basically everything that's part of the posterior chain is going to support your posture. For most people. Right I think that's like a really good like if you're a trainer asking this question or you're just a person who's trying to figure out what are some

exercises I can do to support my posture posture posterior chain movements and rows would be included in that you know your there's so many rear delt flies, leg, leg, leg curls will do that. Glute bridges, hip thrusts, like these are all deadlifts. These are all movements. And you'll know, by the way, if you do an exercise, first off, doing an exercise doesn't necessarily mean you get the benefits of the exercise. You have to do the exercise properly because you could do a row, for example,

to try to get the shoulders, to strengthen the muscles that hold the shoulders back. But stay rolled forward. But you can do it in a way to where your shoulders stay rolled forward and you actually strengthen the poor posture. So you have to have really good technique. Typically you want to go light if posturing is an issue for you because otherwise you'll go to your normal recruitment pattern or you'll revert to what your body does best. So go kind of light, get good technique, good form. And then here's a telltale sign that you're doing the right thing. When you do it, stand

up. And I used to do this with clients. I'd say, stand up. How do you feel? I'd be like, oh my God, I feel so good. You just feel a lot better. I mean, the closest you are to full extension, I would say, you know, like fully erect posture, the better. And that's, again, the posterior chain exercise can reinforce that in order to kind of keep everything balanced from being over dominant in the front. One of my favorite tools, I believe we have a YouTube video. I don't know what it's titled.

Maybe Andrew can find it, is the PVC pipe. Oh yeah. Because using that as a tool that you went to your point, when you're doing any exercises, learning how to hold yourself upright in that good posture position is half the battle. Because you can do movements to Sal's point that are designed to support your posture, but if you do them improperly, you actually only, you just exacerbate the problem. So you don't even make it any better, and it's supposed to be an exercise.

So it's important on how you do the movement that you're in a good position. I like the PVC pipe too because it also hews the head. So one of the areas that people often miss, or trainers miss with their clients, is posture with the head and the top of the spine, cervical spine. So like a good exercise is like giving yourself a double chin. And you'll notice a lot of people that's forward head because they're on the computer so much,

or because they're on their phones or whatever. That makes a big- Externally rotated shoulders. Yes. Pulling those back. Makes a big, so the PVC pipe is cool because connects to the skull, then the upper back and the tailbone, and that helps keep everything in line. Next question is from Jonathan Sash. What are the benefits of a renegade row? to the skull, then the upper back and the tailbone. And that helps keep everything in line. Next question is from Jonathan Sash.

What are the benefits of a renegade row? There are distinct benefits to a renegade row, but I will say this, nobody does them for the benefits. I've never seen anybody do a renegade row. For anti-rotation. That's it. Everybody does them because they look cool and hard. Yeah. And I think some celebrity did them or something, started

doing them on social media and everybody thought this looks like a cool exercise. You know, and I think some celebrity did them or something, you know, started doing them on social media. Everybody thought this looks like a cool exercise. You're doing a regular road. Check this out. It's not for that. Yeah. It's not, it's not a super great, you know, developer of the back or the biceps or the shoulders or your core.

What it does is it works something called, uh, anti-rotation. It works on your ability to resist rotation during movement, which is very important for spinal stability, especially for athletes. So this is, and when you see people do this, it's always to fatigue and they're always doing it. Like it's some kind of part of the circuit. You're not set up to do this with heavy weight either.

No. Because you just don't have the leverage in that position. So if you're wanting to actually build muscle, you need to do rows. You need to do things that are actually like, I can actually load this substantially and gain the benefit of that for a muscle building purpose. But when you're in that position,

and you're really just considering bracing the core, and keeping everything from rotating. I've never really been a fan of the Renegade row. It's not an exercise I like, because to the point Justin made about anti-rotation, I can get great anti-rotation benefits from a regular row. You just keep yourself in a fixed position. There's like two ways to do a row that you see online that some camps think one's right or wrong. It's not, one of them is focused more on anti-rotation,

one of them incorporates rotation, right? So the difference is, you'll see someone do a row where they let their shoulders roll forward and they open up and as they're rowing and then you have other ones that stay in a very fixed position while they do it. That's scapula move. Yeah, now that's anti-rotation because you're not allowing yourself to rotate and move which is the benefits of the renegade row. I can load that substantially more because my feet are planted and supported with my knee on the bench. And so if I want those properties, so I've never really cared for the Renegade Row that much. It's

gotten popular, I think, because it's hard. It looks cool. It's hard. It burns a lot of calories because when you're having to plank out. There's minimal value to it. It's actually a really good anti-rotation stability exercise for ground fighters, grapplers, because of the position. Now it's not an explosive, you're not going to develop explosive power with this for lots of strength, but it is a good movement to help develop stability. So when you're in that position, go real slow and controlled. And the idea is to not let your torso move, but row the weight while supporting yourself. Yeah, I was trying to think of a client who, like maybe someone who loves to do surfing,

who would I have that I would use that exercise over other exercise? Just a grappler, maybe a surfer, but really it would be, it's just a way to add variety to anti-rotation, because I think there's better exercises for most people. Yeah, me too. I think it's such an overrated move to do. And again,

it doesn't mean that it doesn't have some value and I can't find value. And maybe I would introduce it to a client who I've already done all the other ones with and it's like, Hey, here's a cool anti-rotation challenging exercise for you. Especially if maybe I've been talking to the client a lot about, you know, pelvic stability, core stability, and teaching them how to do that with other challenging things going on. I can see the value in that, but

for the average person, to me this is a classic example of like, and when I'm this deep into my exercise library, we've done a lot of other shit. We've already covered a lot of the bases if we're down here. If we're messing with an exercise like this. You're just really looking for novelty at this point. Yeah. If programmed properly, there's some value, but yeah, it's overused because it looks cool to the consumer.

And so you see a lot of media, social media, people presenting it as this like great exercise. And then as a consumer, you're looking at, oh my God, that looks crazy, it looks tough. Yeah. That's why it got popular. Next question is from Susie Grace Lopez. What cues would you suggest for dumbbell rows?

I feel them in my traps. Yeah. So two cues I like a lot is take your shoulder blade and put it in your back pocket. So you're squeezing back and down at the same time. And then here's another cue that I learned years ago as a kid, which is pull with your elbow. That one always gave me better connection,

and my clients better connection to rows, because when I tell people to pull with their elbows, they're less likely to pull all the way back and get this forward shoulder when they're focusing on the elbow. A couple things I wanna make clear. One, your traps are involved in this, so it's not wrong to feel your traps,

but the most common thing when someone feels it more in their traps than anywhere else is they're shrugging up. They're shrugged up. Yeah,. When you row in what you're doing is you're doing this. You're shrugging up and the cue of retracting and depressing first, which also tall chest. Okay. Here's an example too of where like this is where like coaching can make all the difference and like again on the internet how we that's wrong. is right. Like, if you see me do a row, you see me take the row through full range of motion. I'm gonna flare out my lats, and then I'm gonna come all the way in. You're gonna see all this kind of movement going on.

When I first teach a row to a client, I actually keep them in a very fixed, stationary position. I don't want any movement. I actually don't even want them to roll. It's too much for them to control. Because you're teaching control first. Exactly. It's too much going on there. I want to teach them in this, they're going to sit in this

upright position, retract and depress like you said, and they're just going to drive the elbows back. You said pinch my finger in your back, squeeze the elbows, and I'm going to keep them in this very fixed position until they learn what they're supposed to be engaging. Then I'm going to progress them to teaching them how to, okay, now that you understand what muscles we're working engaging, now I'm going to let you take this through full range of motion. And now let's try and stay connected to those muscles while you do that. By the way, it's easier to learn how to do a row properly in a seated position than it is in a bent over position. So like bent over dumbbell row or barbell row, if you don't

have, if you don't have good connection to proper posture, it's gonna put you in bad position. So I would always start people in a seated, chest supported row or seated cable row before I ever had them do traditional barbell row. Next question is from Guy Pettigrew. What are your favorite landmine exercises? Justin, you really, yeah, I've been playing with these a lot.

Yeah. Uh, I mean, the one that we've programmed probably the most, uh, is, you know, it could be a trunk twist. And, um, I just like that because, uh, there's not a whole lot of, um, devices or, or exercises out there other than like a medicine ball where you can really get that kind of loaded rotation in the cable for instance. But just because it kind of takes a lot of the harsh gravitational forces of like the vertical forces down. It's just it has a really nice feel to it. Now, my favorite exercise to use these now that I've really been experimenting with, of to use these now that I've really been experimenting with, which I wish I would have known before training athletes was doing power clean or cleaning jerk. And it's so explosive, but it's it has that element of safe control and safety. And it's got everything you want

as a coach. That's because one end of the barbell is anchored into the ground. Yeah, you can't get away from you. It's not it's not. Yes, not getting away from you're not gonna lose it. You can't get away from you. Yeah, it's not getting away from you. The technique of it, you can learn it in a day. I mean, of course you're not gonna load a lot initially because you really, it is dynamic. It's very dynamic, but you can get that explosive fast twitch movement in a safe controlled way,

which I love it. So I love the kneeling shoulder press, which it's similar to like the Viking press. And I love the Viking press for my shoulder. I remember when we first found the Viking press, I was like, oh my God, this became one of my favorite movements for the shoulders. And you get that similar feeling in a kneeling position

with the shoulder press on the landmine. So that's one of my favorite movements. Yeah, I like, I've never trained cleans on it, but just watching it, I can see that the skill acquisition required to develop power from that movement is so much less required than a traditional clean, which is, this is a challenge. Like training power, you know, as a trainer, it's important you develop, you strengthen power for anybody.

It's just now the challenge is how do I scale this back so that's appropriate for the client, but everybody needs to have an element of being able to explode or change directions because that's just life. That's how life is. The challenge was some of the best exercises for that, especially as people progress is like, okay, now we're going to do a hang clean. Well, it's going to take us six months to learn how to do this properly before we could develop power. With the landmine, it's, like you said, like you know as long as you're fit and there's no major issues, like you learn the movement and now you can start

training power right away and then you see that you reap the benefits of it. So look if you're a hard gainer, you have trouble building muscle, you can't put on weight, we have a hard gainer guide and it's totally free. You can get it at mindpumpfree.com. You can also find all of us on social media. Justin is at Mind Pump. I'm at Mind Pump with Stefano and Adam is at Mind Pump. Check out our discounted RGB Super Bundle at mindpumpmedia.com. The RGB Super Bundle includes maps anabolic, maps performance, and maps aesthetic. Nine months of phased expert exercise programming designed by Sal, Adam, and Justin to systematically

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