Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2303: The Dangers of Muscle Loss from Overtraining, Ways to Transform a “Skinny Fat” Body, What to Do When Increased Strength isn’t Resulting in More Muscle Mass & More

Episode Date: March 29, 2024

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page.  Mind Pump Fit Tip: Don’t use shame to get results. (2:00) When your kids have bigger calves than you. (17:22) Organifi has products for kids! (18:31) Interesting times we live in. (23:32) Speculating on the fallout from Oprah’s weight-loss drug special. (29:27) Did the CDC release a redacted study on myocarditis after COVID-19 vaccination? (33:30) Dan Bilzerian admits monogamy is the answer. (35:11) If people skip meals, typically there are unhealthy habits around that. (40:48) Adam has started taking Tirzepatide, updates to come! (45:27) Influencer farms vs. the power of word of mouth. (49:27) Brain.fm works like a charm. (56:31) Shout out to Matteo Mancuso. (58:20) #Quah question #1 - What can I do to get bigger, if I’m only noticing strength gains? (1:00:56) #Quah question #2 - Can you please provide some tips for a “skinny fat” body? I’m already lifting 4-5x a week, eat my bodyweight in protein daily (min), and get 10-15K steps a day. I don’t know why I cannot get more toned and muscular. (1:03:30) #Quah question #3 - Is it possible to lose muscle due to overtraining even if you always hit your protein targets? (1:06:09) #Quah question #4 - What are the best exercises to do to strengthen your wrists? (1:11:42) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout for 20% off** Visit Brain.fm for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners. ** Promo code MINDPUMP to get 30 days of free access to science-backed music. ** March Promotion: MAPS Anabolic | MAPS Anabolic Advanced 50% off! ** Code MARCH50 at checkout ** Nonviolent Communication: A Language of Life: Life-Changing Tools for Healthy Relationships Planet Fitness stock plummets after woman’s membership canceled for taking picture of ‘man in women’s locker room shaving’ Oprah Winfrey thinks ‘obesity’ a disease, rather than a ‘choice’ Fact Check: CDC Supposedly Released Redacted Study on Myocarditis After COVID-19 Vaccination. Here's What We Know Dan Bilzerian Says Monogamy is Better Than Sleeping with Thousands of Women Mind Pump #2205: Why Dating Sucks & How To Fix It With Adam Lane Smith 8-hour time-restricted eating linked to a 91% higher risk of cardiovascular death TRANSCEND your goals! Telehealth Provider • Physician Directed GET YOUR PERSONALIZED TREATMENT PLAN!  Hormone Replacement Therapy, Cognitive Function, Sleep & Fatigue, Athletic Performance and MORE. Their online process and medical experts make it simple to find out what’s right for you. Tirzepatide: Uses, Dosage, Side Effects & Warnings - Drugs.com The Dystopian World of Chinese Influencer Farms - YouTube Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer! ** New users will receive their choice of 2 lbs. of Ground Beef, 3 lbs. of Chicken Thighs, or 1 lb. of premium Steak Tips for a Year! + Use the code MINDPUMP and get $20 off your first box! ** Mind Pump #1057: How To Get Stronger For Fat Loss & Muscle Building Mind Pump #1142: Nine Signs You Are Overtraining The ONLY Forearm Workout That Matters (TRY THIS!!) | MIND PUMP How to do a Wrist CAR (controlled articular rotation) MAPS Fitness Prime Pro Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Dan Bilzerian (@danbilzerian) Instagram Matteo Mancuso (@matteomancuso.guitar) Instagram  

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Guess which one sticks around longer. If you're saying shame, you're wrong. It's the other one. So don't use shame to get results. This, I'm listening to a book right now called- Justin's a big shame guy. Yeah. Well, I think-

Shame on you for bringing that up. I feel shameful for that. I'm reading a book called non-aggressive communication, I believe Marshall, let me look it up because, and I've, I've, I've, uh, shouted this book out, non-violent, sorry, non-violent communication by Marshall Rosenberg. And this gentleman is a psychotherapist and he

talks about how we communicate to others and how we communicate to ourselves and how big of a difference it makes in understanding communication, being able to express your needs and the way that we, again, like how we tend to communicate to ourselves is the way that we're raised through society, which is you did that, you made that mistake, therefore you're a bad person or

therefore you're a bad kid or a bad husband or whatever. And that idea, which we can apply to fitness, right? Like I, dang, I went off my diet. True. I'm such an idiot or I have no discipline or I'm so fat or I'm so unattractive or whatever.

That can definitely motivate you to make some changes. You can hate yourself to make some changes, but then you don't feel the uplifting freeing joy of I'm doing this because I want to. I really am doing this because I want to grow. It feels forced and human behavior shows us that when we do things because we're forced to do them, either we'll tyrannize ourselves on the ground or we rebel.

We end up standing up to ourselves or to whatever the tyranny is. And that typically looks like a swing of the pendulum in the opposite direction. And this, we communicate many different ways on the podcast, but I loved the way he said it in the book. Do you think that's a natural progression that you have to go through though? I think like, do you think the average person or the majority of people could actually joy themselves to the gym? Or do you feel like you, part of the natural evolution is having shame

because I'm not healthy, cause I'm fat, because I'm lethargic, cause I don't have energy, cause I'm weak, cause I have this disease, cause the list goes on. Well, you just listed a bunch of facts. You didn't list anything that's shameful. So facts are I'm weak because I have this disease. Cause the list goes on. You just listed a bunch of facts. You didn't list any thing that's shameful. So facts are I'm overweight. I have low energy. Yeah, but you can, you can feel shame because of all those facts.

You can, you can add to that and say. So that's my point though. Right. So, so let's. It's like a signal. Those are all the facts. Right. Um, I feel shameful and I go, I go to the gym.

Do you think the average person can get to a place of being able to reframe that and come from a place of joy and say, you know what, I'm going to go to the gym because I want to take care of myself. Or do you think it requires that initial push of being uncomfortable, maybe not even liking yourself or to go there first. So I know, I don't think it's required. So being uncomfortable is different. So you can be uncomfortable. You could be overweight. You could have, oh no, I got a heart attack or heart disease. That's different than I'm a bad person. That's different than a judgment on that. It's just like, if kid, like you've got a two year old and your kid, uh,

you know, does something they're not supposed to, but they're two and they don't know any better. You're not like, man, what a terrible person. You're like, oh, they're two. Like, okay, but let's correct that behavior. Now the reason why I say, because this book makes the case that because we're raised this way and it's so normal, we're conditioned to rewire. Yes. Just think that way. That was gonna be my contribution was really,

I'm sure it's like a matter of your environment or like the way that you've thought of yourself growing up and had been reinforced by your parents or peers or whoever else that you've allowed to kind of feed into how you view yourself or how you make decisions. And so I, I would hope that people could approach it with through the joy method and to, to really look at it as like an opportunity to, to grow and to enjoy the process of it. But I think the majority of people probably go through the pain of it first,

like myself, where you're just like, oh man, like I like so hard on myself. But again, was I found success in that, in that I was like always overcoming something and there's always something wrong with me. I need to fix. I like, and I was kept driving that, that thought forward until it just, it was so toxic. And to then have to kind of recondition myself to think differently about it, took a lot of time. It kind of reminds me of that paradox

that I brought up the other day in the podcast, right? Where it's like, if you're not uncomfortable enough, you get stuck in this place. That's why I think sometimes it'd be really difficult to come from a place like if all is well and you have got great self-awareness and you have good balance in your life, one thing with that, like do you have the motivation to,

hey, I'm gonna go also add this workout routine and diet plan because it would be, it was going to serve me and coming from a place or does it require me to have a little bit of this like shame or whatever to motivate you to get out of that position? Well, so if you look at like some of the most difficult segments of the population, we're talking about behavior change, I think one of the most challenging would be addicts, right? People who become addicted to a substance, so much so that it really disrupts their life.

And if you look at the methods that have the highest success records, which all of them don't have a great success record, but the ones with the highest success record tend to have a component that either religious or some component where there's a lot of grace given to oneself. And that's why they say that they're more successful. religious or some component where there's a lot of grace given to oneself. And that's where they say that they're more successful. Because a lot of drug addicts or alcoholics, they feel shitty about themselves. They know, I lost my family or I lost my job and I feel terrible, but it doesn't work as a way to sustainably get yourself out of this rut. But then they have these methods like AA,

one of the most known, right? There's a religious. The whole 12 step thing is based off of a rut. Right, and why is that, right? Part of it is the grace that they believe in, that they receive allows them to look at themselves like this. I'm doing this thing that I need to correct.

That's true, but it's different than I'm doing this thing that I need to correct. They're form an evil, terrible, stupid, shitty, whatever person. That element, when we apply that to ourselves in fitness, in our space, well, you know, this is how many clients you train where like, oh my God, I went off my diet, I'm such an idiot. You know right away, like I got to go into damage control because this person is now we're teetering on the fence of we're not going to be successful. And then think of the clients you, we're not gonna be successful.

And then think of the clients you had the most success with. Yeah, the clients you had the most success with transitioned from that into like, man, I really enjoy this, I like taking care of myself. This is a great thing and oh wow, I made that mistake. Let me learn and grow from that. It's a totally different approach. I'm trying to recall if I can remember anybody

who came I think with the riot mice, I feel like that was a big part of my job was teaching them, teaching them how to reframe. And I mean, we talk about this all the time, right? Like it's so important that even if somebody comes in and they're like, I need to lose 30 pounds, you know, initially, you know, I agree and sign them up and we get moving, but then ultimately I have to move them away from kind of that goal, right. And to focus on all the other things that, you know, exercise and, and choosing to make, get better sleep and make better food choices, how much that applies to other aspects of your life than just the scale, right?

Otherwise, you know, that'll be a temporary fix and then they'll eventually go back. It's interesting too, because, um, one of the ways that I, I started to figure this out for myself and there were, this wasn't even, this was not the end of it. There was a long road after this, was having kids because I could easily apply that to my kids and not feel like they were bad. In other words, if my kid made a mistake, I could look at them and be like, Oh, they made a mistake. I know they're trying.

You have way more empathy for them. Yeah, exactly. They're not a bad person. Like they, they they're trying and okay, I'm going to help them. I'm, oh, they made a mistake. I know they're trying. You have way more empathy for them, but not yourself. Yeah, exactly. They're not a bad person. They're trying and okay, I'm gonna help them. I'm gonna help them correct this behavior. But yeah, when it comes to yourself, it's different. Fool, when it came to me, there was no grace.

There was nothing. You could make the same mistake I made, I'd give you grace, and me, I'm an idiot, I'm a dumb ass, and you better stop that, and whatever. And that doesn't lead to, even if it does lead to growth, the growth doesn't feel great. It feels like crap. Don't you find one of the hardest things to reconcile

though with that is like, it also tends to feed into like a superpower or somebody. You know, like you're internally tortured because of this, or you're so hard on yourself, so you push yourself to elevate to a certain level. So it's like, there's always this, this internal conflict of this is not the health, this is not a healthy way for me to treat myself. This is not ideal.

I need to evolve beyond this yet simultaneously it served me so for so long. I think about that a lot. I wonder if it's two things. I think either one, am I doing well in spite of that? Yes, that's what I, I think it one, am I doing well in spite of that? Yes, that's what I think. It's more just like we notice when people are so fixated on a goal that they don't listen to their body through the entire process.

They just have their horse blinders on and they're so fixated on getting there. It was like fueling the fact that they could be so focused on this in spite of like, I really have, I want to, I want to be able to hang out with my friends and like, you know, relax and drink a little bit or like, you know, make, make some, some flexibility. There's no room for flexibility. I have to get there. And it's like, you know, you can only run that way so long.

And I wonder if, if, if we can, some of us succeed in spite of that. So not that it's a superpower, but rather it's like, uh, you know, Hey, look at that car, that Ferrari. It's really fast. It's gotta be because it has 10 bricks in the trunk. It's like, actually, if you take the bricks out, it'll go even faster. So maybe in spite of, or the second one is, I think sometimes we look at extreme pers like, uh, achievements and we, we identify that as success, but maybe

it's, maybe it's not necessarily success, maybe it's torture. The guy that's super hyperproductive, like wow, I gotta be more like that, but then if you were actually in his shoes, oh my god, I don't wanna be like that. Yeah, yeah, I think I subscribe to that more than anything else,

because I think it is a superpower, but what you don't see is the complete picture. You don't see also the torture and the consistent desire for more and never being content or happy. But yeah, I think about this a lot and wrestle with that feeling of recognizing certain insecurities and weaknesses as things that you've learned to turn into these superpowers and strengths, but then also seeing the other side of it, right? The other side of it that's bad. It's like, so how do I pull from that energy or how do I pull from that superpower to propel me in life, but then not become so addicted or drawn to it that it controls or makes all my decisions?

Well, you know what's weird about that is like, let's say somebody's struggling with that and let's say they're hyper successful at work, right? So they earn a lot of money, they're very successful and then they've identified like, man, my life is at a balance. I'm driving myself to this definition of success through my insecurities and then they have this struggle. If I fix that, do I want to let go of this thing that I think is good, which is the success? What's going to happen if I change this? Will I make less money?

But the question is, maybe it should be posed differently is will you be happier? Might be the question. And I think some of us are afraid of letting go of the thing that we're so, you know, we're grabbing onto so tightly, you know, we're grabbing onto so tightly, you know? I know I'm like that with fitness where it's like, yeah, I could use more balance, but then I'm not going to look like that. I was just going to ask you that and challenge you in

that direction because when you look at our space, including ourselves, like, you know, and I brought this up the other day about like, you know, the place that I'm at in my journey of health and fitness is like exercise and lifting weights is to optimize the rest of my life. Is that really what you think it is for most people in fitness? I don't think so. Not in our space, no way.

No, I think we still highlight and glorify the extremes. And you know. I still struggle with that. My struggle now is, will it reduce, I don't know, aesthetics and performance to get happier? And if the answer's yes, then the answer should be, oh, I want to be happier. But there's something, there's a part of me that still clings to that other side. Very strange. It's a weird part of human behavior. So it's some self-reflection as

well. But of course it's easier for me to talk about it. I mean, there's, well, I could get back to my point again, is, I mean, there's also this strength of it, right? Like how often when you go places, do you get complimented on how amazing you look for your age and like how impressive you are? Like, so, I mean, that feels good. And that's, it's, it's fed into, I mean, obviously it's a, it's a positive thing. You are part of running a fitness company.

And so, you know, looking at this exemplary physique and strong and like, it's like, so those things all play a positive thing. But when you really look at it in the whole sphere of health, like- Is it a worthwhile trade? Yeah, is it really a worthwhile trade? And would actually look more like a two time or three

time a week at most lifting weights? And would most of it actually be more mobility focused and you know, like, I mean, right. So again, this is something I wrestle with. I think about a lot. Everybody wrestles with this, with some aspect of the life, you know, and I think there's just

the way it's, it's a, look at how we raise our kids. I mean, it's like, the shame is baked into getting your kid to behave a particular way. And once you're raised that way, your internal, the way you talk to yourself is based off this. You got to change how you talk to yourself. You know how hard that is? You ever think about how you talk to yourself? You it's so much of it is not conscious that when you actually think about it,

you're like, oh my God, I do say. The good thing is that I think now, like I don't judge me individually. I judge us as like Voltron. So where you're overcompensating, you're making up for maybe we're just. Oh, I love this. Yeah. So like a mutual fund. Yeah.

Yeah. So one stock there. Yeah. So technically we're okay. So it's okay. Thank you. It feels so good. Since we were like one. You know what I'm saying? I love that.

One shredded body part in there. Right when I go, you know, I should probably do more of this. We're like, well, actually Sal does a lot of that. So I don't really care. Justin does a lot of that. It'll be the big meaty fat arm. Hey, so that's stupid. Hey, speaking of muscles and stuff, that picture I sent you guys, my daughter, why does my one year old have bigger calves? What they do.

Both of them have unbelievable. They got my wife. My wife's got crazy. It's going to be really interesting. I can't wait to see what's going to happen. I know. Are they going to be athletes? Are they going to be in a bodybuilding? Like I'm so interested in. My wife sends me a picture. She's mail carriers. My daughter, my daughter, she climbs everything, which is also my wife. Apparently my wife was little. If her mom left her alone for five minutes, she would climb the cupboards. I mean,

get into dangerous spots. My daughter's got this. Like she's fearless with climbing things. My son's more like me, a little bit more cautious, but she climbs it, so Jessica's filming her trying to climb. We have a water table, which I don't know if parents, these are really fun, right? You film the water. Oh, they love them. Go outside and just have a blast. So she was building one, had it in the house,

and there goes my one-year-old to try to climb it. And so she took pictures to send me. But what I noticed is calves, hamstrings. I'm like, what the hell is going on? This baby's genetics are great. No, I can't wait, hamstrings. Like what the hell is going on? It's crazy. This baby's genetics are great. No, no, I can't wait to see what they're, they both end up being like and what they're into, you know?

Yeah, totally. Speaking of kids, um, have, are you guys using the Organifi products for kids? The green? Katrina is. Yeah. Yeah. She's so, so Max likes it. Yeah. Yeah. No, he's like, he's, he's been using it for a while now. So she's pretty, how does he do it? How do you do it? Just put it in this cup? So yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a powder form. So she's that or she'll mix it in with stuff like mixing it like, he's, he's been using it for a while now. So she's pretty, how does he do it? How do you do it? Just put it in this cup. So yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a powder form. So she's that or she'll mix it in with stuff like mixing in with like we make

him oatmeal a lot. So I've seen her mix it in. Yeah. Yeah. So I've seen her mix it into food. I've seen her, I've seen her make it to where he drinks it. But as far as products, uh, that are with our partners, so with that, he uses the Haya and the organify probably the most consistent, like Max does. That's probably the most consistent thing that she's- It tastes good. It takes, I tried it.

Yeah, he likes it. We tend to dilute it, like, cause he does like it more like, if she's having him drink it in his water, she'll dilute it down and over the course of the day, he'll end up taking over. I think it's a great product cause it's, I mean, a lot of kids don't like vegetables,

and so they're gonna get the greens in something like that, and it's organic and a normally processed, so. I wonder how it's doing for them. It's interesting, like, adherence for adults is already hard enough. Yeah, the kids, is it more like, does it taste more like apples? Is that, because my kids already liked the other one

that they had. The traditional green juice. It's got a milder, sweeter flavor, which I think appeals to kids a little bit more. So it has carrots, spinach, moringa, beets, coconut water, lemon juice, acacia fiber. That's it right there. So speaking of lemons, I made homemade lemonade the other day.

You guys ever make homemade lemonade? Haven't had it in a long time. You guys know how sugar I made homemade lemonade the other day, you guys ever make homemade lemonade? I haven't in a long time. You guys know how much sugar goes in homemade lemonade? It's appalling how much sugar you have to add to your face not do this. Bro, yeah dude, it's mostly sugar. It's crazy. Yeah, I mean aren't all those juices like that?

I mean everything, I mean apple juice, and I mean all of them have to have a ton of sugar to make them like that. See a whole bag to finally make it. I mean, that has to be one of the worst things we did to, to children was introduce them, juice, like a staple healthy food. Yeah. And yeah, think, make parents think that apple juice and all these juices that we give kids are a good idea. A friend of mine,

when their kid was little, uh, their baby teeth got tons of cavities because they were in their sippy cup. What's so funny is if you saw a parent, okay, if you saw a parent walk over to their little two year old toddler and crack open a Coca-Cola and pour it into their thing, you would like, what the fuck? But it ain't that far off. No. What the, what's in the sugar content that's in like Apple kids, Apple juice. It's not that far off from a half a can of, of Coca-Cola.

So it's like, and, but yet they've been marketed to like, oh, this is the way they get their fruit. This is healthy. It's like that far off from a half a can of Coca-Cola. So it's like, but yet they've been marketed to like, oh, this is the way they get their fruit. This is healthy. It's like, nah. It's a little bit better, I think these days, when we were kids, I think it was like widely accepted. Like this is what kids drink. Did you see that I gave Max a donut?

Did you see that in Mexico? No, I saw that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I wanted to make sure I showed them it, because of course everybody was like, oh my God, you gave him a donut, this and that. I said, yeah, he's now at that, he's at an age now. You try different things. Where I totally, and what I showed them it, because of course everybody was like, oh my God, you gave him a donut, this and that. I said, yeah, he's now at that, he's at an age now where I totally, and what I love about it,

and I showed him that. He just took a bite and was like handed to you. Bro, that's it, dude, that's it. He took a bite and gave it back to you? Yes, took a bite, and then I showed a video the next day of the donut, not even half of it was eight, and I ate the bigger bite out of us. And it was literally that easy too. We bought it,

we sat there together. He took a bite, I took a bite. I said, one more. He took like a double bite, handed it back to me. Never asked about it again. Wow. Yep. Sat up in our hotel room where he could see it and everything like that. And I did want to do that. That's part of why I did it was I wanted to show the audience because this is, this is the relationship he has now with that. He's definitely had cake. He's had ice cream. He's had everything. Like I've, I've introduced sweets to him now, but because I feel like we waited so long and that we can have communication because we share when we do it, the habits that he has around is incredible.

Do you know what just reminded me? Do you know what they give infants when they're trying to get, do like a draw blood to prevent them from like crying or feel pain? They give them like a sugary, like liquid. Yeah. Oh right, right, right. And it makes the baby not cry. Yeah.

What? Yeah. You're telling me that, you're trying to tell me that there isn't some, like some serious effects. Some chemical, yeah. What? It's dopamine. I remember cause they, when my three-year-old,

they were taking blood, and they gave it to him. And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what are you giving him? I thought they were giving him some kind of medicine. Oh, it's nothing, it's just sugar water. And then I'm like, whoa, what has that effect? That's crazy. Unbelievable, dude. But it's cool, it's very cool to see,

because of course, when I was going through that, I had the extreme people on the other side going like, oh my God, your kid's gonna rebel and he's gonna eat all this candy. It's gonna be like. No, because you didn't make it a thing. Yeah, exactly. It just wasn't there.

I was like, all I did was wait until the God damn kid could talk, right? Until he could have a conversation about it. Like, I didn't introduce it to him because he didn't need to know what it was yet. And then when it got to that age where other kids were having it and he's around it and he can understand what it is, it's like. And then when it got to that age where other kids were having it and he's around it and he can understand

what it is, it's like, and then now he has this relationship where he can take a bite of something and then walk away from it, it's freaking awesome. Did you guys see Planet Fitness and their stock and everything that's happening right now? The mass, Did you hear about this, Justin? Over the transgender thing, right?

Adam was just, yeah, telling me, I don't know any of the details. I'm gonna pull, I'll pull it up right now. So someone took a photo. Oh, it was. it up right now. So someone took a photo. Okay, go ahead. It's, it's, it's almost, it's almost crazy. It didn't know it is crazy. So a woman took a photo of a man shaving, um, in the women's locker room.

This man identifies as a woman and she post shaving his face. Uh, believe so. It was his face or something, armpits maybe. Yeah, I don't think it was his face. I think it was somewhere else. Look up the picture, Doug, because I want to get this accurate. Anyway, and identifies as a woman.

So she took a picture, complained. Planet Fitness revoked her membership. Canceled her membership. For taking the photo. For taking the photo. The stock is down almost 7% and they have mass. Now the reason why she took a picture was because at the same time there was a 10 year old girl inside the bathroom. Oh, is that really?

Yeah. So that was the point of the lady came and complained and said, there's a man in the woman's bathroom and there's a 10 year old child in here at the same time, like, and, and obviously got in trouble for taking the photo, which, okay, I get that, right? Because you shouldn't have take photographs in any restroom. So sure. But I also understand what she, she probably was using it for proof, right? So that's that. Okay. He was shaving his face face. Yeah. Yeah. And, oh man, this it's interesting, interesting time on what, you know, what's going on. I don't know how I feel. Well, I do know how I feel about it.

Well, yeah. I mean, K. I don't know that I care to comment how I feel. Well, okay, so yeah, but here's. And now it's a private company. Do what you want. Yeah, they're gonna. It's kind of up to them how they handle it.

They're gonna see how the market reacts. So it's a private company. You can do, you can. Yeah, I always, so when I see stuff like this, I'm always curious about like how it really unfold unfolded how did the how did the business really handle it in person because obviously headlines are always designed to sensational yeah to evoke some sort of emotion from the right or the left and like it were up in arms and you take a side oh I defend the lady oh I defend

the guy who identifies as a lady like oh and we're gonna turn in this big fight it's like right, you know Because here's if I if I'm if it's your gym, okay One it's it's a big no-no to take a photo of anybody. I don't care what's true what you identify as Okay, so that's so I'm probably gonna reprimand the lady for that the lady for that period Like I didn't need a photo of him shaving in there It's free to because you could probably tell me that I I could probably figure that out. Like, you know, who it is or you can point them out. Yeah, you can point out, you can say,

Hey, there's somebody in there, you know? So, and then at that point, if it's my gym, then I'm having a conversation with the man who identifies as woman and like letting him know on what I want done in my facility, like whatever that may be. Like, and I don't know where, I don't know what public setting

where I would be comfortable with someone who identifies as a woman going into the woman's, in a woman's bathroom where it's public and children could potentially be in there. I think if that's possible, I think there's no way I would. That's a big, bigger discussion. Yeah, I don't. That's it. That's it.

That's it. That's definitely a big discussion. Now it's a private company. They can do what they want. So I'll support planet fitness in their decision, but that market will respond the way the market's going to respond. It looks like they're getting hit where I draw the line. And I've said this before.

Well, yeah. I mean, what would you, okay. I draw the line with sports. That's where I draw the line. Um, now with, with private locker rooms and bathrooms. Well, okay. That's, that's a need to be line. Now with private locker rooms and bathrooms, okay, that's up to you. Does that need to be disclosed?

It's not private though, it's a public bathroom. And Planet Fitness? Yeah, it's a public. So you have to be a member. Well, okay, a member of the facility, but I mean any age group can go in there, so. If they're a member. So if it's your facility and you own it,

then theoretically you can make, as long as your facility and you own it, then theoretically you can make, as long as you don't break a law, then it's your policy. Now a public bathroom owned by the government, now we can have a discussion because this now involves us voting or whatever the case may be. But sports is where I draw the line, cause that's very clear, that's obvious to me. I mean, I draw the line where a young child can be in there.

That's where I would draw the line. Like until you got female parts and the eight-year-old kid is not gonna be able to tell the difference. I mean, as a father, I agree. Fuck yeah, I'm not okay with it. If it's my facility, that's how it goes down to there. Yes, if I owned a gym, that would be mine.

And I think that's the uproar that you're getting. That's probably the response. But again, that's in the structure of the company and how they outline that. They have to just be transparent. If this is the case, this is how basically that person is going to be in the locker room. And so now people coming in with a kid that's touring the gym

have to know that this is how, this is a possibility that somebody identifies as a woman that's a man is in there doing their thing. And that could be a potential variable. And you decide to do it yourself. Yeah. So what makes me annoyed is when people don't understand that. So, cause you also get on the other side, you remember years ago that, that, uh, trans women's suing, um, I forgot what it was. It was trans women suing, I forgot what it was, it was like a waxing place for not waxing their genitalia.

Cause they're like. Vagina even though. Yeah, no we work on vaginas, not testicles. They sued them, now they lost, but this whole like, private organizations should be able to say yes or no. Yeah. It'll go somewhere else, that's the point. As long as it's not breaking the law.

Discrepancy, yeah. Totally. So we bought stock in Plano, Venezuela. Well, we sold it, right? Not my best recommendation, I think. How's the ticker doing, Doug? It went down, it went down. Do we have any money left?

Yeah, did we sell it? We must have sold it. I hope we did. I think we might have it. Let me look. Oh, I think we have it. I'm pretty sure we still have it. I don't think we sold that one. Well, hey, speaking of stock and stuff, you brought up Weight Watchers and Oprah.

She came out. She did. So she's legit. OK, so she had a special on last night. And I thought it was interesting because I saw all the, and I shared with you guys, like the promo leading up to it. And it just was like, she, so she sat at the table, like how, you know, her mind has been completely changed

around obesity as a disease in the past. She didn't believe that way. It's been explained to her now. And there's absolutely a very specific gene that puts you at a different position and that obesity is a disease and these drugs are Potentially what is going to save all these people and so she set the table like that I find it really interesting that she pulled out of Weight Watchers and donated her money

So there would be no sort of contra- my prediction because her little special that she had seemed like a giant promo for you know the GLP ones. She's gonna be promoting GLP ones. Yes and so I think she pulled herself from Weight Watchers. I think she saw. Which partnership does she have with the pharmaceuticals? That's what I'm waiting for right? I'm waiting for a big deal with Pfizer or start up her own company or something along those lines. That's my prediction and by the way I bought more shares on Weight Watchers, because it's still down. It's down even more than what it was before. So it went from four to three to like 250 right now. And I bought again because I think that's, I think she saw the writing on the wall

with what they were doing. And she's going to try and compete. That's my thing. And by the way, I want to do a public service announcement right now. Any stock picks that we mention on the show, I'm not gonna necessarily recommend, because right now our Weight Watchers is down 43%, and our Planet Fitness is down 39%, so I don't recommend.

I'm pretty sure I say that every time I say it. You could do the opposite of what Adam says. That's a good idea. You could have shorted those stocks. You know, I hate labeling, first off, what's the idea or goal behind labeling something a disease versus, like alcoholism, it's a disease versus, you know, you're addicted and you have this issue, challenge.

By the way, she used that as a- I know she did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a gene. Okay, that's not a guarantee, first of all, that's not how those work, but why label something a disease? What's the difference? Is there a difference in how insurance covers the cost? I think so, and I think that may be the motivation.

Kind of leans more in the medical condition side. Yes, because if you can make obesity a disease, then you can now insurance companies. Treatments are covered. Are covering it. Well, at a hundred percent. You had a hundred percent, dude. That's the whole-

Cause otherwise what's the difference? If, oh, I'm obese, but it's a disease versus it's not. Okay. In order to not be obese, the same things apply. You still have to do the same stuff. Yeah, same rules apply. Yeah. And these GOP1s are legit. I mean, they are effective, but You still have to do the same stuff. Yeah, same rules apply, yeah. And these GOP1s are legit.

I mean, they are effective, but you still have to do behavior modifications. You have to- And for it to stick, you gotta change it. Yeah, and it's not a miracle cure. It's just one of the most effective medical interventions that we've seen. Do you wanna buy some more Plata Fitness, Doug?

I don't think so. I mean, technically, this is when you're supposed to buy again. You got to double down right now. Where's Bud light at these days? They're back. They're back, man. Are they? Are they are? Yeah, they got Shane Gillis is like one of their main spokesperson now, which I think is brilliant on their end. He's so great. I saw, I don't know, I think that in UFC is obviously a big partner of them now. So you see this big complete steering Direction. Yeah, I mean I said that originally I said they would come back I mean I have too big of a monster for like a like there's a blip on the radar like it'll be interesting to see When a 24 months have gone by if it was a wash or a net positive for them. Yeah, you know Yeah, just really smart company can turn it into a positive.

Yes, yes. Everybody likes a comeback story. Yeah, 100%. Speaking of Pfizer, did you, okay, so I got some interesting stuff on Pfizer. So did you see that they released, so first off, remember Pfizer at one point with the CDC, they said, we're gonna release the data

on the potential side effects or effects of the COVID vaccines. And we'll do it in 75 years. You guys remember that? They tried to make it so that it would get released in 75 years. Yeah. People came back and said, no, they pushed it. They forced it. They did free move information act. Well, they just released the paper on myocarditis after COVID vaccination. You ready for this? It's 148 pages. You ready for this? Yeah, let's see. after COVID vaccination. You ready for this? It's 148 pages. You ready for this? Every single word in that report was redacted. So you're a congressperson,

you're gonna get a report and it's gonna be a bunch of black lines. Just black lines through it? Yes. How's, like, what's the point? I don't know. Nothing. They released nothing. That's what they did. That's crazy. Isn't that insane? Speechless. Yeah, I am speechless. It's like, it's one of those things. It just baffles me to the nth degree, as far as people readily being on board with a lot of information that we've been fed. And then you come back and you see all the way they're handling, uh, all of this evidence and, and just even just interest and intrigue, like, Hey, you

know what, what actually occurred from the vaccines, like are people thriving from them is anybody like, uh, you know, has there been any symptoms we should know about? I mean, are you guys surprised? No, no, no. Are you surprised? It's just like- No, I'm not surprised. I'm about as surprised as I am about Dan Bilzerian coming out and saying monogamy is the way to go. Yeah, did you see that?

Dan Bilzerian. How was that for a surprise? Dan, wow. Did you see that coming? I hope, you know what? So Dan Bilzerian, people don't know, right? Dan Bilzerian, he was like the modern Hugh Hefner, you know. Maybe crazier. The stats, the numbers he was touting, is he said on a normal day.

He's having sex with three. Two to three women on a normal day. Different women. Yeah, every day. A lot of times five to seven, the most was nine. And one day. He seemed a bit healthier than Hugh Hefner. Yeah.

In terms of like. He's got all the stim cells and he's got more thrust. I don't know. Capability. And so he was like the modern Hugh Hefner, right? Like rich dude, travel party, hot chicks or whatever. You see this on social media. And now he's coming out and he's like,

no man, that's not the way, dude. He's like, I think monogamy. Now our young guy can hear him. I only needed a thousand times to figure it out. Yeah, you know what's funny? The people, here's what's interesting. The people who will give you, there's people who've achieved incredible wealth

who will come back and say, it's not what makes you happy. Or there's people that achieve certain amount of success that'll come back and be like, listen, I'm telling you, I've been there. Happiness wasn't there. Here's Dan Bilzerian, money, all the women, all the partying and drugs.

He comes back and he says, nah, listen, this is not. I mean, at least he comes out and says it right. I appreciate that. I appreciate the people that, because there's obviously a lot of people that still put on the facade. Pretend or continue to try and fill the hole with all these other things and fake it.

I won't say it. Sorry, Justin. You just fill the hole. No, keep talking. Yeah, my bad. I'm sorry, Doug. Sorry, Doug. I looked at Justin when I showed up. I know. I hole. No, keep talking. My bad. I'm sorry, Doug. I looked at Justin when I showed up.

I shouldn't have looked at him. That was even that good of a one. You made a face, dude. But I mean, at least come... I mean, that was like... Remember when Jim Carrey came out, said the same thing too. Jim Carrey came out and said, I wish everybody could experience what it's like to be rich and famous and so with that, just so they could see that it's like, it's not as what it's cracked up to be, you know? So you want it so bad and then you get it

and then you realize like, oh man, then you see all the other sides to it. But I thought that was crazy that he came out and said that just because he is, he's kind of like the poster boy for. He's like, ooh, weird, meaningful relationships, like you actually have better sex. Yeah.

It's more fulfilling. You're actually more connected to that person and you want to be around them. It's like, oh weird. Yeah, I mean obviously it's old wisdom. I don't know, I think we discard old wisdom because it's old and we think we maybe know better. You know what's funny?

Well I also think, okay, I don't think it's just that too. I think that we're also driven by novelty. And so there's- And hedonism. Yes. So, you know, that's, you know, a different chick, a different boat, a different car every day sounds very novel and exciting.

And then I think you do that a thousand times, you know, or whatever, and you realize that like, oh wow, it's like, as novel and as cool as novelty is, there's something else that's deeper. Way better. I was reading, in fact I was on, I read this article and it was like the new trend in relationships, I like how it said new, about polyamory, okay.

Now first off, that's not new, that's old. Yeah. That was tried for a long time in lots of different societies. We all figured out it actually works out better if we try to be monogamous. But it was so funny reading the comments of people's like, yeah, you know, it's great. We have this relationship, whatever. And it's like, you know, let's see where this ends for you. You know, where this is going to end up. Cause you're in your twenties now. You think it's a good time or whatever, but I mean, the data on dating apps shows when people are

doing that, what ends up happening is you get 10% of the guys attract 90% of the girls, all the other guys are kind of left behind and those 10% of the guys get bloated egos and then the women get hurt and it's just, it's a mess. That's been, that was the best explanation for why we moved away from like open relationships, right? That like if we evolved where you pull the violence went through the roof. Yeah, I mean it makes so much sense, right? That the, you know, handful of really strong, attractive, you know, men got all the women and then, you know, sure that for those guys, it was good for a while. But then after a while,

when that, when they represent only 10% and then 90% of the guys are getting no women, like, yeah, see what kind of, I listened to this, this woman who she's, I can't remember her name. name in fact I'm gonna try and get her on the show so now I wish I remember her name but she's uh she's a she's a I believe a scientist she studies human behavior and she said the way that I this this gentleman asked her what do you think about open relationships and she said the way that I judge a behavior or one of the best ways to judge a behavior is to see how it affects the most vulnerable in our society, children. So anytime we're doing something new, if we're trying to decide, is this a good or a bad thing.

That should always be our gauge. Yes. Like is it better for children or worse for children? And she said, when we're talking about open relationships, polyamory, is it better or worse for children? And it's worse. it's worse for children. Children not knowing who dad is, or people, you know, they don't have that same connection,

or mom is not paying attention 100%, or not entirely focused on raising the children. That's what the data shows. What an interesting lens. Think about any behavior. I know, I was just trying to kind of rack my, like where is that not true? Like where is there an example where we've done something

where it's like if we would have just looked at that lens, it would have been a much easier answer. Totally. I thought that was so brilliant. The conversation we started on is a good example of that. Yeah, I thought that was so brilliant. Is that probably a healthy thing for the kids to see or try and figure out, like you understand?

Or is it probably not very healthy? Like that's actually a really interesting lens to look through. That was a stronger lens a few years back, you know, it seems like it's changed for sure. Yeah, totally. Um, a study came out in fasting that annoyed the hell out of me. So I'll go over it. It's flying all over the place because the title, uh, or the study itself, um, says that, and I'll read it to you. It says, and this is what I hate about studying about studies sometimes,. Or yes, I hate this about studies or media.

Here's the title. Eight hour time restricted eating, intermittent fasting, is linked to a 91% higher risk of cardiovascular health or death. So what they found in this study was that by eating in an eight hour time window. Is that because they went around all the rest homes where people don't eat any food? So here's what they did.

They studied 20,000 adults. And they said those who, they found that those who ate within an eight hour time restricted eating schedule. Yeah. Okay. They had a much higher rate of cardiovascular disease than those who ate throughout the day, like normal people. That was the control.

The control was these people eat from 4 p.m. to, you know, from, you know, 8 p.m. to this time. Or whatever. Not what they choose to eat, not anything else. Now what do you guys know? You go out in the average population and you find a bunch of people that only eat. Yeah, they skip breakfast.

Like they only start eating at noon. They skip breakfast and then they go through a drive-through for lunch or something like that. Yeah, like oh, if you take a bunch of people from the street and you find a bunch of people. 2,000 calories. Yes, that start eating at 6 p.m. and stop eating at midnight

or start eating at noon and stop eating at, right? What you're gonna find is a bunch of unhealthy eating. That's typically what happens. There were no controls on what they ate, if they exercise, what they value. It was just, we knew that, look, as gym owners and trainers, I knew that unless somebody was practicing fasting because they were health conscious, if people skip meals, typically it's unhealthy, there's unhealthy habits around it. What, who funds a study like that? What's the desired outcome on something like that?

What are you about to approve or disprove? It doesn't even make sense why you would put even any money in the direction to do that. It was a study from, I believe, it was the American Heart Association. I mean, it's crazy because they don't, so here, I'll read what the analysis found. People who followed a pattern of eating all of their food

across less than eight hours a day, had a 91% higher risk of death due to cardiovascular disease. Well, there's also this part, Sal, which is my biggest knock on intermittent fasting, is it's really hard to get all the nutrients you need. So you're also getting that with those people. So you're getting people that are probably lacking in nutrients and, or making bad food choices.

This is people who don't eat all day and then binge eat and make bad food choices. It's binge eating. Period. It's the end of the story. It's promoting that. If that's the only thing you're controlling for, that's what you're going to find. If you control for what they eat, then what you'll find are various. I don't know the motivation to put a black eye on the movement of intermittent fasting? Like, I don't know, like what, yeah, the, because the controls and what you've described, it's like, it just opens that up for like, it to just be unhealthy people, like, binge-eating.

Don't, don't, most, most studies that we do, they, there's like a, a purpose behind it, right? I mean, you're gonna go spend tens of thousands of dollars or hundreds of thousands of dollars to put together a study. You normally are selling a product or you're normally trying to prove something. Right. I mean, how often do we do studies on a whim or just because, Oh, let's go, let's go put a black eye on intermittent fasting. I don't know. I think maybe because it's a, it was,

it's a popular trend and people talk about it. And so the American heart association said, let's do this analysis. Haven't they been under scrutiny? Um, I don't know if there was like a connections there with like the sugar funding or not. Oh, I think it's pretty sure there's been some crossover. Well, nonetheless, it's just a bad, it just, it just doesn't mean anything. If I see something like that,

I know how people behave when it comes to diet. And if you take the average person that's not health conscious, not trying to make better choices, and you tell me, oh, this person eats one or two meals a day, I'm going to tell you right now, they don't eat healthy. That's what typically happens with the average

person. Now, if you tell me, oh, I know I have a friend of mine, they intermittent fast because they believe in fasting's health benefits and they work out whatever, they probably make good food choices. Right. So it's not the whole time window thing. If anything, what you did is you just self-selected for people who restrict and binge, who don't

plan their diet. You're eating whole foods and you're trying to make good decisions within those parameters and that's like the focused goal. It's a different situation. So did we announce to the audience, I know I did on my Instagram story, but I don't know if I, I know I talked that we're going to, I just wanted to tell the audience

that I got the Trezepatide, is that how I say it? Trezepatide. Trezepatide. You just started it. I started it yesterday. So that's the GLP-1. I'm going to reserve my opinion on it Or even though I feel like I already noticed some things early on it's like literally day

This is the first 24. So the most popular one semiglutide Tersepitide is a next-generation one that seems to be more effective. That's the one that but the both GLP ones So some of the glutide tersepitide brand names Ozempic we go V. Yeah, I think terzepotide brand name is Monaro if I'm not mistaken. But you just starts once a week, sub-Q injection. And yeah, you said you already noticed. I did, but I don't wanna talk too much about it

because you know me, I'm super skeptical about that and I need to see some patterns first. But I did notice the very first night when I would normally have a craving that I didn't. And so it'll be interesting to see. It was an out of the ordinary feeling. Yes. Yes.

So again, any change in sleep too early to tell it's one night. Yeah. You know, I had great sleep last night, but I mean, uh, that's why too, like, um, I want to tell the audience it's, I'm starting it. Literally this is like the first full day has gone by. Is that craving thing trends in that direction? That would be real interesting. It'll be for sure because that's super consistent with us.

Yes. Katrina was asking me, like, how can you tell? I said, well, I said, yesterday was there were some consistent behaviors that I've done a thousand, tens of thousands of times that I can recognize. And I said, you know, we went for a walk. So I created extra activity that I normally would. I ate, you know, a protein bar and then a pokey bowl for lunch, which is a lean lunch for me. Then I had a lean dinner. Then I trained on top of that. I said, and then I also even smoked weed early. And I know when I, when all those things line up like that, I know what kind of night ends up happening.

Ice cream. Yes. Or even crushing a big old bowl of Magic Spoon to subdue that a little bit. I know how I feel, the urge I have to want to eat like that. And I said, I didn't have that last night at all. So that's really interesting to me. So we'll see if more of these days like that happen where I feel that way.

And it'll be, and I ha and I actually intentionally have left some stuff at my house so that it's easy accessible. So I'm actually making it more difficult. Yeah. Yeah. So instead of like trying to really set myself up for success, I'm not, I'm not like, Oh, let's make sure there's nothing in the house. I can't get like there's ice cream in the freezer. There's candy treats in the house. Like there's things that I know that if that urge is coming on it, like I don't

have a barrier in front of me, it could be really easy for me to do it. Cause I kind of wanted to do that. I kind of wanted to put it like in a situation where, and then even going to allow myself if I really want to go do it, like, cause what everyone has told me is that you still will want those things, but then you'll like have a bite and you'll be satisfied. So I have a few clients and friends that have taken it. I have friends that are saying the same thing.

And then what they say to me is like, oh yeah, it's not like you won't like ice cream ever again. It's like, but what you'll see is if you would know yourself as like an ice cream binger, which is I am, I'm the type of guy who could eat like a tub in one sitting, right? So if I can just go have like a bite of it. You'll just wolf it down real quick.

Yeah, right, can I go just have a couple bites of it and feel satisfied? I'm more interested in, cause that I think is pretty well established. Um, I mean, it's very well established. It does that. I'm interested in the other potential effects. I want to see if you notice any changes in mood, any anti-depressive effects. If you're nicer to us.

He seems like he's in a better mood today. Who knows? I'm noticing. Yeah, that's maybe. Yeah, we'll see. Uh,? I'm noticing. I bet it could be a little bit. I want to see if you notice any changes in other habits that maybe you have. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm paying attention to everything, right? I'll keep everybody posted as I go through it.

By the way, Adam, he goes to our partners at MPHormones.com. So anybody who, don't go online and, with a non-doctor prescription. Hi, I've been meaning to bring this. So I saw a video and I don't know how, uh, like wide span this is or not, but like in China, they have, um, so you've heard of like, you know, with Russia and China, they've had influence in terms of like being able to get you a bunch of

commenters or like, you know, spammers, that kind of stuff, your comments. Well, uh, they, there's this video that it was like showing a factory and, and then out in the streets, even with like those ring lights and everything with somebody in front, um, talking to camera and doing their whole thing and spiel. And literally it was like this sea of influencers that they're all like Grooming to be like, you know to promote something to promote like just just just farming

Influencers all like together in like one Area like coaching them all it was like hundreds of them. Like it was like, it freaked me out. Like a Black Mirror episode. Yeah, I was like, this is horrific. Well, you know, you think about it with cheap, in countries with cheap human labor, I mean, it's very, I guess you could pay thousands of people to create something, to push something,

to make it kind of viral or to comment. Give them a persona, give them a script, you know, and just have them, just throw them out there and see what, you know. Well, I know that's one of the things that like the Facebook and Instagram, and TikTok, they're all trying to figure out like how to, to figure out when the, when people are using farming, what do they call them, cell phone farms or whatever,

I don't think what they're called, because that feeds into the algorithm. Part of what gets one of our YouTube videos populated is that it takes off at a faster rate. If more people are viewing it, more people are liking it, more people are commenting on it, well then YouTube, well then the algorithm automatically promotes it to more people

and then it's this compounding effect. So these, obviously these farms feed into that. So you could have me and then, and then I have a farm of 10,000 fake viewers, but the, the algorithm doesn't know that they're fake. They're, they all have their, you think Adam, cause you, you're the guy that you, you, you know, you're the, the savant, uh, when it comes to this. Do you think, you're welcome. Do you think you were nice to me earlier? No, no, that's just true.

So do you think the reason why, hey listen. Go on, go on, go on, go on. I'm gonna step out. I won't get in between, I'm a little jealous with the relationship you and Doug have. I'm afraid. Lately you guys have been hanging out. We were about to have an intervention.

He's trying to win me over. That's what this is. No, no, no. Justin and I over here. Why don't I have what he has? We're like, what's going on with those two? No, no, no. So do you think the reason why, full disclosure,

we do so well, one of the reasons why we do so well with our sponsors in terms of conversions is because every listener review we have is real. And a lot of these other companies have fake. You think so? A hundred percent, a hundred percent. Uh, because. Cause they'll have a, you know, half a million followers.

But I've talked to a lot of our, I've talked to a lot of our partners about this, cause they're, they're always like baffled by man, you know, we advertise with this person and that person and they got millions of followers here and they got millions of this and that. And it's wild that you guys convert so much higher. There's obviously multiple things happening there. We have a strong relationship with our audience that we've built through authenticity and years of truly slowly building this thing.

And then they're all real. Uh, as small as it may seem where we only have a few hundred thousand people on Instagram and you know, you know, what are we doing seven to 10 million downloads a month on the podcast or whatever, but they're real. It's like they're all. And so those numbers, even though it doesn't, it doesn't even, you know, it come close to a Joe Rogan type of download. I think so many other businesses and people have so many fake bots and things

that are attached to them. And you see it, you see it on their social platforms when they get, you don't see that a lot on ours. You don't see a lot of bots commenting. Every once in a while you see like we'll get- That's so weird. Yeah. It's weird because the social-

It definitely sticks out. It's also weird because the incentives for the social media companies are a bit opposite, right? Because if you have people with 10 million followers, but your Instagram, you know, like, they only have two million followers, you wanna fix it, but you don't, because if you crack down,

everybody's followers count goes down. I think it even matters, too, because we've experimented with this, too, right, where we've done paid traffic and paid advertising versus just allowing all the organic work that we've done. Yeah. And those leads are just terrible, right? So the audience probably doesn't know this, but we spent a lot of money last year on trying out ad reads that you hire a company and they basically, for a certain amount of money, we paid for 2 million impressions, right?

So 2 million people will have heard the name mind pump through all these other random podcasts. But because it is a forced ad like that to a random stranger, even if we got out of the two million impressions, a thousand new people that come over, those thousand people are a different customer than the customer who watched Sal give a really good talk on another podcast and like fell in

love with what you had to say and then bought your book and then came over to our podcast and now listens to all of our content. That one person right there is valued at like a hundred of those thousand paid people to come over. Those are all just made up numbers, but you get my point. So there's that part too too and a lot of people pay To you know pay to get their reach out there more even if it's not fake farms Even if they're real people they're still paid strangers to come into their business or come into their ecosystem And it's not the same as organic and word-of-mouth Yeah, I think is more powerful than of course somebody who said you got to listen to these guys

I mean, you know them. Yes. Of course. And they know you. They'll know what you like. I mean, it's some of the advice I always give to other fitness influencers or people that are trying to build something similar to what we did is that don't get caught up in caring so much about the number of followers or the number

that everybody else is. Yeah, or these famous people on Instagram. I'm like, you're far better off impacting lives and helping a handful of people and really going above and beyond, because those five people are gonna go tell 10 other people, and when they tell those 10 other people, it's so different than them hearing an ad about you

or seeing a billboard about you. Speaking of which, is our three-day thing, is that live, or can I talk about that? Is that live, Doug? Oh, we, Doug would know. I don't know. Uh, yeah, I think it is. It's going to be in Las Vegas.

Is that what you want to talk about? No, no, no, no, no. I'm talking about the three day training I gave for trainers. I, it's not, I don't have a URL for that. Okay. Hey, it's all right. We got, we got it coming. We have a three day course training course that I taught for trainers and coaches.

It's free. It's coming up. We'll be able to release it and anybody can watch it. Yeah. We'll put it on the story. So that, what did you think of BrainFM? Oh, so here's the deal. I was just going to say what's interesting is so BrainFM people don't know.

This is a company that makes music and in that music, there's technology where there are sounds that induce certain states of mind and it's proven with fMRIs and blood flow. So literally you listen to focus music, your brain within five minutes goes into this focus flow state, you know, where you're looking at the theta, the delta waves of the brain and all the waves. I don't know them all, but it's a focused state of mind or sleep or whatever. We've been working with them.

We've been using them, I should say, forever. I use them every time we travel. It works like a charm. What I found was interesting is he came on and he's like, you guys were the first company we're working with. You gave us that initial first bump. Now that we're gonna start advertising,

because they've grown grassroots, now that we're gonna start advertising again, they came back to us. First people. So nice. I mean, interesting to add that to this conversation. I again, they came back to us. Those people, so nice. I mean, interesting to add that to this conversation. I mean, that's a perfect example right there. That's exactly what I was gonna say.

Of a company that grew 100% organic. I mean, he says this is the last time we spoke that over four million users use it, and that's without any sort of advertising. That's just purely people using it, being blown away, and then telling somebody else about it. And they give you free, so, and he's smart, of course they do this. You go on there, you can try some out for free, see for yourself.

It's really weird. It's strangely effective. It's one of the most consistent things. I can't stress enough to people to go, just try it. It's free. Go try it and use it. And it's every bit worth having this app. We've used it for years now.

Matt can show you on my phone. It's one of the most consistent that we used it for. We use it for max for sleep. We use it when we travel, we use it when we're focusing. I've talked about using it in sex. There's all kinds of great ways to use it. It's incredible. So got to go check it out. I do have a shout out. I'll go ahead and throw this out there real quick. So I was going down the YouTube rabbit hole and I watched guitarists and I watched you know a lot of music videos and whatnot and I had no idea this guy existed like so some of the greats

Out there like I mean Steve Vai is one of those kind of virtuoso guys that does like a lot of electric guitar That's like really crazy and he promoted this guy and like, I had never heard of him. Uh, and he's from, uh, Italy from, uh, Sicily, uh, specifically, but, yeah, you probably do. He's probably probably family. So, I mean, you always bring it up, but, uh, his name's Mateo Mancusko. And he's, his dad was like a classical guitarist, and so it's unique about him,

and I literally think he's like one of the best guitarists of our time. Like he's a kid. And- What do you mean, how old is he? Well, I mean, 20s. Okay, well he's a kid to us. To us, we're old dogs.

But he plays like finger pick. He's not the guy who does all the crazy- He like finger pick, no, no, no. So all that is like, there's a lot of guitarists out there that are really good that do like the crazy slap. Yeah, yeah, okay. He's like, it's hard to describe it, but you could tell he's very, very much in tune

with actual music theory. And he knows like, so a lot of the style of the classical guitar, he converted over to electric guitar for a lot of the style of the classical guitar, he, he converted over to electric guitar, uh, for a lot of like the lead solo stuff and blues and all that. But so he plays with like just his fingers do all the, like some picking moves, uh, and sweeps and all this crazy stuff, but it's like seamless. It sounds very fluid and it's, it's very, uh, very cool to watch.

Go check them out. It's Mateo Mancuso. Mancuso. .guitars. So Mateo Mancuso. .guitars. That's where you can find them on Instagram. Do you like grass fed meat?

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I've trained but I remember my early days especially, it would look like this. I'd go, I'd get stronger, get stronger, get stronger, get stronger. And then boom, three pounds of muscle out of nowhere, I would feel like. And then stronger, stronger, stronger, stronger, boom. Kachiga. So it typically, the muscle gains typically come in spurts,

whereas the strength gains can be more of a, sometimes they have a consistent thing. Now that being said, diet would make this happen faster. More calories. Yeah, it could also mean that too, right? It could also mean that, I just always caution people to be careful of that because I mean, a lot of times when you like,

when you push the calories. Yeah, because like myself, I was so insecure about being smaller and I wanted to be bigger that I, you know, I didn't, I wasn't reading the signals of I was getting stronger. All I cared about was getting bigger. So I was forcing the calories and then you put on a bunch of body fat that you

didn't need to. So, you know, as long as you're, you're hitting your protein intake and you're in a slight calorie surplus, the size will come. And honestly, you don't want it to come on too fast because if it comes on really fast and you know, for sure muscle doesn't, you don't gain tons of muscle right away. Yeah. It doesn't work that don't gain tons of muscle right away. Yeah. It doesn't work that way. It takes a little while.

Five pounds of muscle, which is a lot distributed across your entire body. Uh, doesn't look like, like, you know, two inches to your biceps and three inches to your quads, like it takes time to do that. You gain five pounds of lean muscle mass, actual muscle mass in 30 days. You're crushing. You're absolutely murdering it. I mean, stretch that out in a six month period, you've put on 30 pounds of muscle mass. So get stronger and over time the muscle will come on. And now you can get stronger just through neural adaptation, but this, a lot of this happens in the beginning, right? Where you

first start working out and it's not necessarily that your muscles, you've increased the amount of contractile tissue, but rather your central nervous system is firing more effectively and efficiently. And so those initial strain gains come on quickly. But those also, I mean, you get the CNS to fire more efficiently and that will lead to more contractile tissue as well.

So you just got to be patient with something like this. I have yet to see somebody consistently get stronger over long periods of time without adding. It's on its way. Totally. Next question is from Haley Vellien. Can you please provide some tips for a skinny fat body? I'm already lifting four to five times a week, eat my body

weight and protein daily and get 10 to 15,000 steps a day. I don't know why I can't get more toned and muscular. So first off, I don't know, Doug, if you could pull up this person's Instagram. So we could look and see what they look like because, uh, sometimes, uh, I'll say oftentimes somebody describes himself and it's a bit distorted. I know. Okay. So I want to look at that first.

Now, number two, typically, if this is somebody that's doing all these things, um, I'd want to look at that first. Now, number two, typically, if this is somebody that's doing all these things, I'd want to look at the workout. And if there's a problem, it tends to be the workout and it tends to be that it's too much. Too much intensity, too much volume. And so it looks like you're doing all the right things, but you're just doing more than your body can adapt from. And so you end up not getting stronger, not building muscle.

And then lastly, I would add how long have you been doing this too, because there's also people that have these unrealistic expectations of I've been doing this, I do it already and it's been like three months. Yes. Three months of their life. It's just like you've already made really good gains in three months. Like what are you expecting to happen in the period of time? Have you been lifting the same weights this whole time too and kind of doing the routine

or you've even challenge yourself to Gain and increase. Is she trying to lean out? She said she's skinny fat. You're not skinny fat. No No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, it's a bit of a distorted view of their self But I look I tell you what along those lines Very few people can work out with strength, can strength train with the appropriate intensity five days a week consistently and it be the appropriate amount of training. Oftentimes it's too much. Yeah, definitely this person, okay, looking at her, I know and we are totally guessing

based off where I'm gonna go off of programming though. Totally. Like I think if you're hitting your protein intake. If she followed maps anabolic with that, then she would see the muscle. Yeah. If you're hitting your protein intake in your, and by the way, you don't, she doesn't need to be in a deficit. She's plenty lean enough. So, uh, but I could see where you could want to add muscle to your physique and your body. And that's maps anabolic would be the training with the same protein that you're eating. You can still keep up the steps.

No problem. Yup. And what'll happen. So if this person hired me and I would keep everything the same, but I'd take their workout, do three days a week, full body maps and a ball, like, and they would be blown away. Yeah. Maps and a block.

I wonder what the programming looks like. I wonder if she's doing like a, you know, circuit based type of type of deal, or if it's just too much volume, too much, whatever is typically what it is. Get on maps and a blog. Next question is from a Eulina Lika. Is it possible to lose muscle due to over-training, even if you always hit your protein targets? Yeah. Yeah. Have you guys ever lost muscle because you've worked out too much? Yes. I know I have.

Yes. It's a terrible, terrible realization. In fact, one of the fastest ways to get your body to lose muscle, besides laying in bed and not eating, is to beat the shit out of yourself in the gym above and beyond what you can adapt to and recover from. Your body looks at that extreme stress and what

it tries to do is it tries to reduce its energy requirements. So it reduces muscle because it looks at it as this tremendous stress. And when your body's very stressed, it wants to survive off less calories. One of the best ways to do that is to pair muscle down. Overtraining is a very consistent way to get your body to lose muscle. And at first what happens is get your body to lose muscle. And at first what happens is you just, you lose strength and you get super stiff and sore. And then it's like, oh my God, I'm hammering myself in the gym.

What's going on? I don't look this full. Muscles are an expensive tissue. And if you're not giving it adequate nutrients to sustain and just, adequate nutrients doesn't mean just protein. Like if you are- That's true. You know, if you're under calorie, right? So you're not giving your body enough fuel to fuel all these workouts

and you're just hitting protein intake and you're hammering the muscle four or five times a week. Like absolutely you could lose muscle. It's gonna pare it down because it's saying, I'm not getting enough. I'm not getting enough to support what we're doing training wise. And I'm also not recovering enough for what I'm doing. And so yeah, it'll, it'll, it'll pare down.

Do you guys remember when this, I know this has happened to you guys, but I remember the first time it happened. I didn't take time off working out ever as a kid. I definitely was over training and I don't remember why, oh, we traveled. We went somewhere and I was gonna go, it was a gym that I was gonna work out at was closed and I didn't have access to a car. I was a kid, so I couldn't go anywhere.

So I took a week off and I remember I came back home. Stronger and stronger. Yep. That's happened to me. Oh yeah. Yeah, tell me, now did you guys get the lesson there right away? Or did you, cause I remember being there. No, no, I had to learn that lesson like five times.

Yeah. I learned that lesson five different times, five different ways. And it's a consistent reminder too, by the way. Like I still think we teeter in this of, you know, when you are a fitness fanatic or you're a person who enjoys working out, you tend to teeter in this position

a lot. It's not what you can tolerate. You know, it's like you're not supposed to work out to the point where it's like, oh my God, I barely made it through that, you know, to the point where you're just going to end up repairing the damage of what happened. And then either you're going to stay the same or you're going to start a downward trend. One of the hardest things to transition to that has continued to get better for me, or I've had to try and refine over all these years of lifting is how little

I actually need to stimulate growth or maintain my muscle. It's way less than I always think it is. I'm always wrong. I always think I need to do all this to, and a lot of that is just because I love the feel of the pump and I like moving heavy weight. It's like it's more of the- It's just the workout. Yeah, it's more of the addiction to the workout than it really is like, okay, like if my goal was I just kind of want to

keep this look or have this much muscle or be able to do this, like how much do I really need to do to sustain that? You'd be so surprised how minimal you have to do- There's data on it now. Yeah. There's lots of studies on this. I mean, there's that one study we talk about where they took two groups and one group took a week off every, after three weeks of training, they would always take a week off. The other group worked out consistently. Guess what? They built the same amount of muscle at the end of the 16 week study.

In other words, one group worked out 25% less same amount of muscle. There's also data to show how little the average person needs to work out to not lose muscle as they age. It's like once every 14 days or something ridiculous, like you don't need nearly as much as you think. And if you're really consistent with your workouts, you're more likely to be doing more than you need. Then it's such a, it's such a hard thing as a,

as a trainer to communicate to because it's like, we, we tend to toggle between the two extremes. Yeah. Either you don't do anything, right? And it's like, Or you do too much. Right. And so you're like, you, you don't want to communicate to people like,

Oh, you don't need to do that much, do less. Cause it's like that person doesn't need to hear that. Cause they're, they never do anything, you know? So it's like, you know what I'm saying? And then you have the other side of people that are like trying everything and doing everything in five to seven days a week. And it's like, it's like, you know what I'm saying? And then you have the other side of people that are like trying everything and doing everything and five to seven days a week. And it's like, it's like we always, as humans, we're so funny how we, we tend to go one extreme or the other.

And the, the sweet spot is really not, it's really not that hard, especially if you have good balance with eating, you don't eat like an asshole, you hit your protein intake, you're consistent with eating whole foods. The amount of stimulus that you need in the gym to build an incredible physique is not nearly as much as we have been promoting. And I'm so glad you said to build an incredible physique. Cause there are benefits to consistent daily activity, but when it comes to building and sculpting your body, you don't need to do all that.

Now, is there, are there additional health benefits to just moving every day, going outside every day, doing things like mobility? Yes, but what people do is they take the, I'm gonna build muscle or build more muscle or build a better physique by beating myself up all the time, that's not the case. So you could be active every day,

but the intense workouts, you don't need much of those to make it happen. Next question is from the healthy hair creative. What are the best exercises to do to strengthen your wrists? You know, one of my, I was going to jab Doug. He went after Sal. What was that wrist? It's the, you know, he's casting, fishing.

What would you think? I don't know. What would you think? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I know the guy. I don't know. I'll stick it in there.

I, you know, I'm going to name an exercise that I think is one of the most underutilized yet valuable exercises that, you know, bodybuilders do these all the time. I don't see anybody doing this anymore. And that's an old fashioned reverse curl. A reverse curl, you could use an easy curl bar if your wrist, if it doesn't feel good on your

wrist, a straight bar is fine too. Um, but it is such the, when you look at all the exercises that we do in the gym for our body, the traditional ones, all of them tend to strengthen the wrist in the flexion type position, this kind of wrist curl position. So rows and back exercise, it's all this here. Very few strength in the wrist in this kind of

extension, right? This back position and a reverse curl does that exceptionally well. And to the point where if you practice these, your wrist extenders can be almost as strong as your flexors. I mean, they can get really, really strong and you'll see a lot of wrist problems get solved.

I always want to, so if this was a client, like I'd want to dig deeper in like what, like where, why are they saying this? Yeah, where's this question coming from? Cause a lot of times people that have quote unquote weak wrist too, lack mobility in them. And so wrist cars and doing things to gain mobility, which is, will also, by the way, gain strength, right?

Like, so a lot of times when people have carpal tunnel or they have like tennis elbow, or they got these issues that they're getting pain from, and then they've been told, oh, you have weak wrist. Okay, yeah, strength will help, but also working on your mobility and your wrist would really help prevent a lot of those issues. So when I would get a client that would say something like this, I would normally go,

well, why are you wanting to strengthen your wrist? Who told you that or what's going on? And also just little things like when you're pressing, whether it's bench pressing or overhead pressing, and then you're- The broken wrist. The broken wrist. Now you're just reinforcing that and putting even more stress on that when in fact you need to make a tight fist. And I, and so sometimes I'll take like clients in that situation too, and we'll work on like, um, uh, fist like pushups and we'll go to the knuckles and try and reinforce that obviously, you know, gradually, you know, maybe elevated or on the knees or whatever, holding the dumbbell or something. But really like reinforcing that like grip,

like fist position. Yeah, well the person's name, the healthy hair creative. I wonder if they do- Yeah, I bet you a hairstylist. Oh yeah. See, and I bet you- So I've worked with a lot, not a lot, but I've worked with people who do hair for a living

and they do have wrist issues, often shoulder and wrist. And a lot of times it's cause of lack of mobility. That's right. So I'm gonna take a shot in the dark and say, that's probably what it is. And what you'll really benefit from is Prime Pro. In Prime Pro, we have a whole section dedicated to your wrist. And before, I mean, those exercises would be ideal for you to do it before work.

We're going to take a shot in the dark and say you're a hairstylist. That's what I'm going to guess. Is it Doug? That's correct. Okay. Yeah. So you're suffering from pain and overuse. I knew it, I knew it. It's such a, you know, like very few people are like,

I need a string to my wrist, what do I do? And you say it's like, well, you need to do wrist cars and wrist mobility stuff. It's in our Prime Pro program. It was designed for someone like you. Do it every day if you can, for sure do it every day before you go to work. Well, do it, start slow and then work up but I think you're a hundred percent right Adam because

with this profession doing strength training for the wrist it'll help if you do it appropriately but mobility is where the answer that's right for this person so look if you love the show check out our free fat loss guide it's free it's at mind pump free calm you can also find us on Instagram Justin is that mind pump Justin I'm at mind pump to Stef. It's at mindpumpfree.com. You can also find us on Instagram. Justin is at Mind Pump. Justin, I'm at Mind Pump with Stefano and Adam is at Mind Pump. Adam, always remember life is magic, love is the wand. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy, and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB Super Bundle

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