Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2321: How to Build a Round Butt, the Ideal Way to Train for a Strongman Competition, How to Eat & Train After a Bodybuilding Show & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: April 24, 2024

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and you tend to move more. That's not necessarily true of the other two. So if you need to work on one of them, work on sleep. It tends to make everything better. You know, you don't think that they're all inversely related like that? They all impact each other. Yeah. But if you have sleep that's not ideal, it's crazy when you look at the data on how it affects, for example, there's that one study I brought up before. This is a controlled study, that's why I like this about the study was controlled. People were in a sleep lab and they put these

groups of people in the deficit, same deficit, everything was the same, same calories, everything. They both lost the same amount of weight, but the group that had poor sleep lost 50% more muscle. Just the sleep alone caused that to happen. I mean, obviously you would attribute that to how important deep and REM sleep is to the recovery process and how important the recovery process is into building muscle or maintaining muscle. That's part of it, but it's probably, it's very complex,

but it's probably along the lines of a poor sleep, chronic poor sleep, of course there's degrees, but poor sleep on a chronic basis, like you know, you get six hours, five hours, seven hours broken up. Not just your hormones, it tells your body, we need to conserve energy. And what it does is it pairs down expensive tissue,

which is muscle, and it promotes fat storage. So it ramps up cravings, reduces activity, changes hormones to get rid of muscle, store body fat. So because it's literally, for most of human history, if you got bad sleep all the time, it probably meant you were lacking resources and you weren't safe. And so your body is putting you in a position to survive those circumstances which is more body fat

less muscle conserve energy you know type of thing. Oh yeah your performance gets dramatically affected and then that one study you brought up it's like about injury. Oh yeah. You're so much more susceptible to injuries like that's I mean it makes perfect sense but I didn't even think to trace it back to sleep it's just like oh maybe there was like you, this is a mechanical issue or this is like some kind It was issue issue It was the greatest predictor of injury more than not warming up priming exercise technique all that stuff It was like if you had poor sleep your odds of hurting yourself like skyrocket even with good form good technique or warmup

Yes, that's was the greatest indicator. It's so hard to wrap your brain around too how if that is out of whack, right, that you even going to the gym and lifting weights could potentially be counterproductive to your goals. Totally. I mean we just recently had a caller that we talked to and she complained about MAPS starter being too much volume,

which is considered probably one of our lowest volumes. It's a good postpartum or beginner right beginner program, right and you know Before answering her like right away. I was like, okay, what's work? What do you do? Like no something's going on Yeah for that to be over stressing, but then imagine you're telling someone like that. They need they need to lose weight they want to get in better shape their sleeps all out of whack they're doing these workouts and They want to get in better shape. Their sleep's all out of whack. They're doing these workouts and thinking that the advice is, hey, you know what, don't work out that many days

or reduce the amount of volume. You may think that doing that is helping you, but instead it's actually slowing down the process of getting it better. By just working out. By working out. Yeah. Which so different than I think how,

at least I know I approached training as a kid. Like when I first started it was like I would so that was sleep was such an afterthought. It's poor sleep is very strongly related to depression anxiety diabetes heart disease cancer and of course obesity muscle loss injury It's so essential that one of the I mean, it's I believe it's illegal through the Geneva Convention to torture Prisoners of war through you know, purveying them from sleep. There's an old Soviet study. This is yeah I don't know if you know what you're talking

And there's a intentionally it's so bad. Yeah, they want to see how long people could go without sleep now on the internet They'll say point of psychosis. Yeah, they'll say, oh, this didn't happen. Other people are like, no, this actually happened. But they want to see how long people go and they turn psycho. And I think there's data that shows something like, I think it's 72 hours of no sleep, your odds of mental psychosis are

like the skyrocket. The average person will start to go crazy, literally. That's extreme cases. For the average person will start to go crazy, literally. And that's extreme cases. For the average person who's not experiencing that level of extreme sleep loss, the human body and brain is really good at compensating. So what happens is we have kind of poor sleep all the time, but we can still go to work. We can still kind of function. We drink coffee, you know, we do things to kind of keep ourselves awake, and we kind of make it.

And especially if you do that long enough, you start to feel like this is normal. It isn't until you really get good sleep that you go, oh my God, how many people go on vacation? And they're like, wow, this feels way different. Well, don't we like, I mean, at that point, don't we kind of reserve back to like more of our lizard brain? Like we're just fight flight, like we're just like in that survival operation mode. And so everything we do is like less effective,

but at the same time, we can just sort of make it through. Yeah, so the issue with sleep isn't that sleep is a challenge for humans, it's that our bodies evolved to sleep under circumstances that we evolved under. So, you know, the sun goes down so it slowly gets darker, temperature cools down, we there's no more light except for maybe a fire so it's low level kind of red light that's in front of you and then you kind of turn that off because you want to

attract predators maybe and then you would go to sleep and it would be cool and then you'd wake up when the Sun would come up it would slowly come up and rise the light would slowly come on it would slowly warm up and then you'd wake up and you go about your day you're not doing anything at night because we're blind in the evening and so modern life keeps the Sun up you know essentially with lights and electronics 24-7 we we hit the pillow and expect to go to sleep. It would be like all of a sudden it's bright outside, I'm gonna go to sleep for bed.

Have you guys seen the studies on people that live in, what country is it where there's like a whole period of time where the sun never goes down? Alaska or places like Alaska. Oh, they have to really structure it because insomnia and issues around sleep are really high there because of the sun being up. If I were to go back and think just in the 10 years that we've been together,

this single best or the top three best investments I've ever made in health since then, just in the last 10 years since we've been doing this, the two that come to mind right away are for sure eight sleep and like having at home equipment as far as like the things that improve my health like long-term like those two things I look back and I go like all the different biohacking stuff and all the different shit that we've tried or done or that I've implemented into my routine. I think eight sleep is arguably number one if not it's a very close number two to having and only the gym equipment only

because I make, because remember when we first started this, I was the anti, your resistance. Yeah. I was anti home gym guy. I needed to go to the gym. I needed to feel the energy like, or otherwise I can get a good workout. But then I like the older version of me is like, Oh, I've really appreciated this like ability to go, you know, in and out of the house and just do a few sets and come back to it. And I've really changed the way I lift. I'd say that is, you know, rivals the ability for eight sleep to cool my body down. And then with the AI tech that it has in it to actually adapt to my individual body and figure out and then be tracking My REM and deep sleep and then figure out what is the optimal temperature at what time of the night at what you know?

Why that's so crazy. It's so crazy because Men are a little bit more stable, but women in particular their their body Temperature fluctuations happen throughout the month So they might find that they're more cold at certain times During menses or more warm or whatever. Men go through this too, depending on caloric intake. Your calories are so low now, you've been saying you're colder than you normally are or whatever.

Activity, all that stuff affects that. So what 8 Sleep does is it adjusts the temperature of your bed on the fly based off of how you're sleeping. And it learns what works best for you. So literally throughout the night, it'll go up or down in temperature to ensure that you're sleeping and it learns what works best for you. So literally throughout the night it'll go up or down in temperature to ensure that you're sleeping best. That's crazy. Stuff like that didn't exist before. Well that was one of the things too and not to, I'm not trying to throw shade on our original you know cooling system but the the knock that I do have in comparison now

that I've had both is that the Ere I had to manually set at the temperature. And it was just there. And it was just there. But once I had set that with the eight sleep, it's like it did all the rest of the work. And it is adjusting based off the season and off of how my sleep is going. It's constantly- I'm wondering, is it changing because- You know what I'll do-

Because your calories are so low right now. So it's funny you said that because I actually just realized recently like, Ooh, the bed feels colder than it normally does. But that's me, right? Because I'm, and so it's probably figuring that out based off of how my sleep is going. I'm interested to see what that does. Yeah. I'll look back at the stats, right? I can look at all the, uh, the AI stuff and see like if it's now adjusted. Cause it does. It's like, there's, there was times in the, in the year where, you know, at, you know,

one in the morning it's dropping my bed temperature down to say 62, where now it's at 64. Does it wake you up by slowly warming up in the morning? You know, I didn't program that in, it's not necessary for me. I love that. Yeah, I know like. Because you wake up and you're like.

You're an early riser, so like, I wake up without an alarm, so I get up so late. What time do you wake up? Eight o'clock. Oh, you're in eight o'clock? Yeah, yeah, so like. I'm five. Yeah, it's pretty easy for me to wake up.

Do you go to bed at like 11 then? A midnight? I mean, I try, Katrina and I try and get in bed by 10. Like that's it, that's it. Like if I, like that's my goal. But you're not gonna sleep then? No, no, cause we, you know, have the tendency to watch a show sometimes or we talk or,

last night I had horrible sleep. I had nothing to do with eight sleep or anything else other than like we, I was talking business, right? JT's. Terrible. That's the worst for you bro why do you do that it's not intentional right I'm having great dialogue with him right he's here we're talking business stuff and you know it just gets my and I can't I have yet to figure out like I mean I have all these things box breathing and tools I've tried to implement but it's you can't I don't know

I it's like it's like it's like business brain is a blessing and a curse. Right. Cause when, if I look, if you were to get into my, I bet you at that time you have the best ideas. Oh yeah. If you go back, I still have, since I've had an iPhone, um, all my notes for years of like, it's always late at night. Oh yeah. And you can just, you can just see like all this stuff. Cause I have to get out of my head or else it'll be even worse. Mine are either early in the morning or late at night.

This one I have my best late the morning or late at night. This is why I have my best. Late at night, late at night. I never have early morning ideas. They're non-existent. I agree too. I, uh, no, for me it's early morning, late at night, best ideas. But if I start talking about conspiracy theories before bed, no way. No way.

Oh, that's funny. What is everybody thinking about? I'm sure everybody has. So your conspiracy theories before bed. No way. That messes you? No way. Oh, that's funny. What does everybody say? I'm sure everybody has. So your conspiracy theories before bed. World shit. Do you have something? Yeah, I mean, it's kind of a mix of both,

like the business or Business conspiracy. Yeah. How's this gonna affect the business? Adam's taking money from the business, right? Adam's a lizard person? Yeah. Son of a bitch. No, there's certain, or arguments, right? Arguments a lizard person, you still have a bitch.

No, there's certain, or arguments, right? Arguments, no, I hate that, dude. You're like, right about to go to bed. Hey, bro, I'm not even facing you. It's anything I'm trying to solve, you know? Katrina could be pissed off right like that. No, I know when it's gonna happen, because I'm like, are you sleeping?

No, I don't make it worse, dude. I'll wake up to way worse if that happens. No, it's like, because now I wear mouth tape when I go to bed. So I'll put the mouth tape on, and then start to go to bed. And then she's like. Was that your wife's idea? No.

No. I think she's snoring. No. I'll put it on. She's like, yeah, you sleep so much better with that. Because it helps with the snoring, right? But I'll put it on. Why is it duct tape?

I'll know there's going to be like a conversation, because she'll be like, do you have the mouth tape on? Oh, fuck. Take it off. Here we go. Conversation. You know, I've told you guys before, right? By the way, I never asked you, the nasal strip,

did you like that? I did like it. I told you. I went and I bought some. Oh, yeah. Because I was like, ooh, this is a different. Life hack for me. It doesn't do anything for me.

Serious? No. It's your big beak. That's why they don't have a big beak. I had my beak broken a few times. So I think that's what it is. Wait, hold on. This nose is bigger than mine, bro. Is Justin's bigger than mine?

He said I have a big ass nose. Go sideways. Go sideways. Bro, come on. Let me see. Zoom in. No way. I mean, mine's broken, so you got that on me. Justin's is beefier.

Yours is beakier. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. More muscular. I got more gains in my nose. All right, bro. I can't believe that doesn't help you. No.

But the mouth tape and then I wear a mouth guard that pulls my lower jaw forward to prevent me from snoring. I can't put mine on until Katrina's, I had to get up out of bed. Otherwise she gets all nagged out. She's like, oh, I'm not getting any tonight. Oh, what? So I have to sneak it on? Yeah.

So if she sees me put it on. Did you tell her it helps performance? That's like my version of the sweats. I'm like, I have sex with this. She's like, no, I know put it on you tell her helps that's like my Care she's like no, I know you once you do that. I know we're not having sex. I'm like, why do you say that? It's all you kill it by saying it's improvement That's Courtney's jammies Come on. Is that isn't that a thing? Like almost every spouse has a... Like, oh, we're not having sex.

Yeah, yeah, like there's a sign, right? There's gotta be a sign that Jessica does, you're like, oh shit, I can't do that tonight. No, we don't have anything like that, but I have a sign that we're going to have sex, which is like if she goes, if she can take a shower before bed, like, oh, you wanna put the baby down,

I'm gonna go take a shower. I'm like, okay. Oh, you know what's coming that way. I know what we're about to. Although one time I got in trouble, I told you guys. I got in trouble once because she's like, oh, I'm going to take a shower. No, I said, I'm going to take a shower.

And she goes, oh, can I take a shower with you? What does that mean to you guys, by the way? You're going to take a shower. Wife says, I'll take a shower with you. You just tell me. We're doing a lot less showering. OK. For us, it's more like, I'm going to get clean.

I'm like, ah. Oh, really? Yeah. OK, so that's rare. Because, dude, shower sex is not that great. Yeah, but Let's be honest here. It is well typically for me like the last minute. I were naked We're in the same room lights are kind of on like it's you know, we're gonna do something But anyway one time I assume that I was wrong

What makes you think we're gonna have sex I'm like you came and take the shower. Oh, that's funny Yeah, we're making I'm not a fan of that though. Those are the I'm like you came and take the shower. Oh, that's funny. Yeah, we're making I'm not a fan of that though Those are the I'm like you're Justin. I think it's overrated I'm like and Katrina gets mad at me cuz I'll be like I want to shower alone or she gets in that get out I've realized I'm like an old guy I just like nighttime like right before bed, you know, then I have really good sleep. Yes Can we ever like do something during the day? Wow.

And I'm like, I don't know what to do. I haven't done this in so long. I don't have any daytime moves. I don't have daytime moves. Somebody can see me right now. I don't know if this is okay. No. Oh, dude.

Yeah, it's like, it's weird. Yeah, like I'm not like that. Yeah, let's, you know, go to closet or something. No, I'm not that guy anymore., let's you know go to closet or something I want to know if one of you do because I know I feel like Katrina is kind of like the dude in our Relationship with this where she talks about it like if that to me kills the moon Yeah, it's like are we gonna she'll like ask me like five o'clock. We're having dinner like are we gonna have sex tonight or what? I'm like, well, I mean I can't yeah kills it for me. It's like, it takes all the like, my arm or something. So the pressure, no, it's the pressure. I gotta put forward,

like, I don't know that the mystery and the suspense and all that is like, it takes that out of it. We're so different, bro. If Jessica says to me, you know why she won't tell me we're going to have sex tonight? Cause then I won't leave her alone until it happens. Oh, yeah. Cause then I'm like, Oh, you shouldn't have said anything. Oh, you love Katrina. You love Katrina. She wants to forecast it all before everything. No, no, no, no.

It's just like play by play. I'm like, come on. No, I end up following her around the kitchen, I follow her around the house. She's like, get off of me. I'm like, you said we're gonna have sex. She's like, tonight? Yeah.

And then if I don't confirm it, then it's like all night I'm getting like every half hour. So it's like, well, it's too bad we're not having sex tonight. Wow. Yeah, but if we were having sex tonight. No way. like, well, it's too bad we're not having sex tonight. Wow. Yeah. If we were having sex tonight. No way. Well, if there was a chance that we were going to,

like it's not going in your favor by bringing it up all the time. Like just let it be. It'll happen. Hey, speaking of which, I think I might have messed up a little bit. You know, I got the vasectomy. Doctor's like, you got to wait a week before you. Of course you did it. Yeah, dude.

It was a couple of days later. You know, we kind of fool around. Why are you such an animal? I don't know. Hope your balls exploded. Well, hey, listen, I'm a little sore, dude. I hope I'm all right. Weird thing to ask. That would definitely no more kids are having if that is balls. We're still a window. I was worried about the business. That's all I'm thinking

about. I'm brilliant. Oh, all that energy was going to keep us up at night. So thought of that. We're worried. You haven clear. Yeah, I know that's why I'm like, I'm still I'm still anxious I think i'm more anxious about your vasectomy than you are Yeah, i'm worried that there's i'm like, of course, this will be sour right like he gets it There's like a 14 time window that he has to just be good and he's gonna do some shit like this I'm like breaking the rules. No, we need no we're good. I'm good, bro. Jessica's already, she told me, she's like, no way. So, we're good, we're good. If, you know, it's funny because you're such a

science guy, study guy, and I feel like the doctor tells you these rules that you would be the most, I feel like Justin and I would be more rebellious about something like that. I just don't listen to the doctor, I don't know what it is. Well, we just don't even go to the appointment. Yes, you guys are, you guys are gonna go. No, I have a tough time because I feel okay.

So, like when I had my shoulder surgery, doctors like, you gotta wait this long. And this is a true story. I got my AC joint resected. They actually put in a catheter to pump a painkiller in there. And I was supposed to keep it on for, I don't remember how many days, keep it on. By day two, I couldn't sleep, so I'm in the mirror

and I'm pulling the tape off and I'm pulling the catheter out and like taping myself and whatever on my own. So I'm just not a good patient. I'm not a good patient. I make a terrible client too. I think if a trainer hired me, if I hired a trainer, I think it'd be terrible on that as well. We probably all would.

Anyway, I gotta tell you guys. I know, we could never do that. I could never train you, I could never train you. No way. Because of your assholes. You guys would get such good shape though if I did. Uh huh. You guys would get such good shape if I actually trained you. You'd have to trick us. Yeah. In your idea. All trickery. Hey, remember what you said the other day? You wanted to do this? Or just tell me to do the opposite? I gotta tell you guys a funny story with my 14 year old. So my daughter, she's got, she's always had just perfect skin. Like porcelain, perfect skin. So she's got, she's always had just perfect skin,

like porcelain, perfect skin. So she got her first pimple, it wasn't even that big of a deal. First pimple. Where was it? Just on her cheeks, not a big deal, you know? But she's like freaking out, I can't go to school tomorrow. What am I gonna do, or whatever? I'm like, we got-

You got a gnarly one right here. On your, oh, you told me. Tip of your nose? It was in your school picture. Hello! Rudolph. So she's all freaking out, doesn't want to go to sleep. I'm not going to go to school.

So Jessica's like, I'll take care of it, because Jessica's got a thing for pimples. You guys know that. She's weird about it. So it was a nice bonding moment between them. It actually worked out pretty well. But it was funny to see my kid freak out over just the small, you know, it's like, it puts you in perspective.

Did you, did any of you, did either one of you guys have bad acne I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,

I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, out of the blue, you know, I'd have one or so, and then like, it was weird as even back then, like it was girls that were like friends of mine that would just look at me and then they'd come up to me and they'd just be like, pshh, why? I don't know, like, and I was-

It's the grossest thing, dude. I think they were just helping. But what about your face, did you have bad acne as a high schooler at all, as a kid? No, that's what I mean, I only had like one or- Oh wow. You didn't either, right? No, that's what I mean. I only had like one or randomly. You didn't either, right? No, big time.

You did? And I didn't bother me until I got like, I look, just recently I was like looking at old high school pictures and I'm like, God, I should have been so insecure about my face. What? I didn't realize how bad it was. Like I didn't think I-

It's how I feel about my teeth. I didn't feel that way. Obviously it didn't bother me. So you had a lot? Yeah. I'll find a picture. I saw this picture of me and I was like, I didn't I didn't feel that way. It obviously didn't bother me a lot Yeah, I'll start bring off. I'll find a picture I saw this picture of me and I was like I didn't even think I had that bad of acting you ever do anything No, yes, I didn't care didn't bother me. I don't know why I should have should have bothered me Wow, I was really ugly. I had that going on. I had the two front teeth were all crooked

I don't know what was going on. I had a lot of personality on your face We're all crooked. I don't know what was going on Did you try and grow whatever hair you could on your face? Hey dude, then later God's like super handsome In your 20s, you just got beautiful. Hey, it's not really it's just there was such a huge discrepancy. That's what it is No, bro. You went from like really ugly to average No, no, no, we gotta post pictures of you, bro And you're like Pete competing and look like uh, you look like uh, what's his name from Superman? Look like uh the actor who her man. Oh like oh yeah

But I didn't I didn't know that I had it that bad But I only had like a like a one-year phase remember I told you guys I'd sprouted up like crazy height during that time Yes, it was that year. I wonder how to do the hormones or something had to write It was just like that junior so I went from like you ate a crappy diet the whole time Oh, yeah, I never processed- Processed food the whole time. Terror, fast food, like crazy. I didn't grow out of that until even, I was a trainer eating bad food.

I didn't stop, I didn't clean up my diet until my mid to late 20s. Yeah, did you, I mean, didn't you go, you ate pretty bad for a while, didn't you? You know, compared to what I hear from other people, not so bad because at least, my traditional parents, right right my mom would cook a home cooked meal every night it was always three course so I always had that right but breakfast and lunch were typically you know typical garbage. I went off the rails in college that's where it really got because it was like

I live next to Carl's Jr and I live next to like some of these fast food places and I would just hit it up in the morning. And then when I get home and this was, I was eating a lot of calories. You know, when I was moving a lot, I have to say, isn't that the story that you said where you bought a can of spray cheese and something else and just crushed it on the way home? Disgusting. Cheese was a regular.

When I was 16 or 17, I was trying to bulk real hard and I went to Hometown Buffet. You guys don't remember Hometown Buffet? Sure. Okay, this is like you eat all you want all day long. Stacking plates. Yeah, so I went with my cousins and we thought we figured out the hack

because we'd go in the morning. We're like, we're not leaving. So we'd stay there. Stay there all day. All day. We stayed there all day and just ate so much, so much terrible food. We would eat like a.

You would think somebody who worked there would like pick up on that. Yeah, I don't know if you, they don't think they have a time limit, do they? You might have a time limit. You sound like my friends in college is all these. I don't think that many people actually stay there for eight hours.

Oh, no, we were there for like probably six, but we'd go starch, protein, dessert, and we'd take a break. Starch, protein, dessert, take a break. We must have gone through four or five. Back then, that would be really crazy to do that, and very few people probably even have the patience to say that, but today with social media and your phones, I could totally see that. I wonder if that's been an issue before at these places. They have to have a time limit now. You would think so? Yeah. Look up time limits for... Home town buffet. See if that's a so. Yeah. You have to look up time limits for hometown buffet. See if that's a thing. Yeah.

Yeah. But I, yeah, we went there and just crushed it. And I remember I, I gained weight while I was there. It was all water, but I go weigh myself afterwards all successfully. Happy. Well, that was a regular cause like we travel a lot with the football team and where are you going to take football team, you know, to go eat? Like we just take over. So we'd have to like, go to a lot of money-paying places.

Yeah. Oh yeah. Dude, people got scared and just laughed, you know. It was funny, just stacking like 10 plates. Do you remember, Justin, because you and I are more like each other with probably the fast food and eating bad food. Like, I don't think you were as much.

Do you remember the transition of that? Like, I mean, I remember there was a point for me where that was staple. Like every day there was some fast food, whether it was driving through McDonald's for breakfast or dinner at Taco Bell or whatever like that. I was definitely ate terrible, right? Even into my twenties.

And then there became a transition where I went away from that. And then I never came back. Like it was, after I cleaned it out of my diet I just get diarrhea. Yeah, then it would just it would it would destroy me and I even if I wanted to go back I couldn't go back. I went through levels of it because it was like There's like the Taco Bell's is the the Burger Kings and you know that sort of there's like a realm and then you get into like You're right. You know

There's yeah in and out rest other restaurants. Yeah in and out and I don't even count in and out I justify a lot of my that's still allowed in and out is different level I would say it's not fast food it's well but I worked in the restaurant is my point so it was like a constant battle for me because it's like I I was used to when I was at home too I had a lot of good home cooked meals and so that kept me in check and then when I was in college was, I had a lot of good home cooked meals. And so that kept me in check. Uh, and then when I was in college, it was like fending for myself. And so I, I w and that's why I went to get a job at a restaurant. Cause I was just so sick of cafeteria food and so sick of like,

it just didn't feel good. And the funny part is a lot of my friends that were like big guides, they always make fun of me because they'd order like, you know, crazy burgers. This, I always order like chicken sandwich or you know like chicken nuggets and Dude even back there is getting fucking made fun of You know, so I wasn't like fat enough, you know here I'm like super fat So I've just never

Skinny skin never worries, dude. He hung out with a 400 pound lineman. Yeah, I got friends. They're way bigger. Yeah. Trust me. What's the worst fast food place? It's got to be talk about Arby's.

No, talk about Arby's. No way. Arby's is fine. I had Arby's. Dude, what are you talking about? At least you get a lot of a bunch of meat. It's not really. They're all like jelly meat, and it's like melted cheese on it. I think like Subway, dude. They give a bunch of meat. Like it's not the ones that are all like jelly meat and it's like melted cheese on it.

I think like Subway dude, they give you this. I'm just bread. It's just bread. Yeah, and then like they basically the meats like paste like they squeeze it out of a tube and you're like I saw someone doing a critique on subway actually saw a little viral clip going. It was pretty funny. They were talking about He basically was like bashing. And it had to do with like inflation. Do you remember the big promotion or campaign that Subway was famous for was the $5 footlong? They don't do that anymore?

It's $6 for six inches. Oh. That's their big. So they cut the footlong down. Bro, $5 footlong and then $6 inches is the promo. That's like the big selling point. Talk about crazy inflation. It wasn't that long ago, the $5 footlong was the big ad.

Wow. Like, oh yeah, get your favorite $5 footlong. You know what they're doing with a lot of products is to try to reduce the price rise. Is they reduce the servings or how many squares of toilet paper? So it's like, oh, the price only went up two dollars. But if you look at it, there's like severe- Tons of people don't even know

that that's happening right now to you and you don't even realize it when your toothpaste tube has 0.5 less ounces. All these products that you've been using forever, you don't really, who knows, do you know how many ounces are in a tube of toothpaste? You probably don't know. So you have no idea that point five is missing. At what point do you think the GLP ones are going to be used to save money? You know what

I mean? Like you spend money on the GLP one, but you save money on food because of it. I mean, I'm, you made such a good prediction, expect this was before I had even started the trisepatide. And I can't agree more now with you because of the how I feel of like how turned off of eating any food I am most certainly junk food snack food is so unappealing to me that We have to in the next year Start to see stats that come out with like Nabisco and like all the panic. Yeah, they gotta panic losing millions You know what their stats are. Have you guys seen the stats on fast food eaters? Can you look that up, Doug, to see if you can see anything

happening right now, if there's any trends in that direction? So if you look at snack food eaters, and you look at, this is like all consumers, snack food eaters and fast food eaters, you have a range of customers, but a significant percentage are considered heavy users. So like fast food eaters, there's people like us who all go get fast food twice a month or something like that, right?

And then there's people that get fast food, and these are the- Every day? Yes, or multiple times a day. Same thing with snack food. So this is why these companies are freaking out, because it's not like they'll lose a little bit, it's like if our main users go, then we're screwed.

We're gonna lose 30, 40% of our gross revenue. That sounds like a drug addiction, right? So similar. It is. Yeah. Isn't that strange? Yeah, because you have people that partake in drugs. Yeah, like have a little bit of wine.

Yeah, yeah. And then you have alcoholics or drug addicts. Wow. I didn't even think of that. That's terrible. It is. It's very much so like that. And you like hard to, what do you see, Doug?

Well, in 2023, Walmart CEO said that Ozempic and similar drugs have caused its customers to buy less. So they're actually tracking that. Already? Yeah. Isn't it, is it Walmart that I saw? You know what I'm seeing too what's happening is so like what we saw with Oprah and, oh Costco.

You know Costco is now selling semi-glutide. No way. Yes, look it up Doug. Listen, I'm gonna say this again because I want to remember, I Costco, you know Costco is now selling semi-glutide. No way. Yes, look it up. No way. Listen, I'm gonna say this again, because I want people to know that it was stamped, time stamped, we said this, this is a culture shifting medical intervention.

This will be in the same category as birth control. How birth control caused, was one of the main catalysts for the sexual revolution, it changed society, these GLP-1s are gonna do the same thing. It's a cultural shift is what we're gonna experience. I'm not only gonna agree, I'm gonna say it's gonna be bigger. Oh, because it's not one sex, it's both. Oh, yeah. So it's like the the effect. Well, here's why I say it's this it's it's as big. I get why you say. Birth control is

affecting. Shifted the way we do. Yeah, it's a natural human innate desire and so is eating. Yeah. And so when you shift those that dramatically, it's gonna have far ranging effects. Some of them we can't even predict. Costco adds ozempic prescriptions for members through virtual weight loss program. Wow. Hey, speaking of medicine, I gotta tell you guys. Everybody.

Listen, we're not even sponsored, I don't even know if I wanna say the company, but it was interesting. So Jessica, we were all sick last week, and Jessica started getting severe migraines. She was like, I think I have a sinus infection. She goes on and we have good health insurance. She goes on and make an appointment with a doctor.

Booked. They were all booked for months. She's like, I have to go to urgent care just to see a doctor in case I have a sinus infection. This is ridiculous. So she was in so much pain and she didn't want to leave the house. So I went online and I said, I wonder if there's a way that I could do a virtual appointment. I'll pay out of pocket, however expensive it is, and I went online, there was a company, there's several companies,

there was a company, okay, ready for this? 35 bucks, 35 bucks, you do a virtual appointment with your doctor, and then you get your prescriptions, and your insurance pays for it, that's it. Yeah, you'll have to talk to JT. One time. He's all wrapped in the telehealth, in that world. Bro, you could pay 45 bucks every three months

and you get the appointments for free, was what this company offered. That's crazy. But they can't check your prostate. No, but why? Why'd you do that? Adam could do that. Yeah, you're right.

If you got a buddy, we'll help you out. We'll talk you through it. We'll let our friends for us. It's a small job. Anyway, hey, I read a study on the bonobos. I don't know why this, what do you think of them? The bonobos, yeah.

Am I saying it wrong? Bonobos, bonobos? I think it's bonobos, who knows? I'm not the person to correct. Do you remember that book that you read, Adam? Yeah, Sex at Dawn. Yeah, that talked about the bonobos and how, oh. They use that group to say that that's the closest.

Humans are supposed to be like that, right? Because they just have sex all the time, they never fight or whatever. When are we gonna stop comparing us to apes? Yeah, I know. Well, so they actually did another study where they looked at bonobos, not in captivity, but in the nature.

Because the problem was when you put bonobos, you put bonobos in captivity, it turns out, one of the ways they handle stress is lots of sex. Kind of like how humans, if you put us in prison, we're probably a lot different. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so they looked at him in in how they were in nature And it turns out bonobos are more aggressive male bonobos are more aggressive than chimpanzees even really So the whole theory about bonobos or whatever. It's baloney. It's not true at all

It's a classic example But what do you call that when you you go into into a study with already your bias and so you're just trying to prove your bias? It feels like that. To adjust in your point, I feel like we've been trying to- Yeah, we're trying to wedge that in because it fits with that theory, right? The original theory that we evolved from apes. It's like if you really go back and analyze, there's a lot of holes there.

Again, it's like we think we have a definitive answer, but you know, when you really put a good look into a lot of these things, like it's interesting, like that they haven't, they still haven't really figured out, like, no. And then you look at it like we have a closer digestive system to like a pig than we do like an eight. Exactly. So it's like, okay, so this part of us evolved that way but then this part didn't and it's like that's trying to maybe it's chickens yeah you ever hear we're actually more closely related to chickens you ever hear vegan say that like gorillas are vegans yeah yeah look at that anyway so another

interesting study I read on the value of sports you guys will like this one so I'm gonna pull up the study for you guys, because you guys are big sports advocates, watchers, you guys like the entertainment of it? The sports balls, we're big with us. Here's the title of the study, this came out of Waseda University. The title is The Joy of Sports, you ready for this?

I'm about to make you guys super excited. How watching sports can boost well-being. Yes! Well-being. So sports beyond entertainment foster community and belonging, benefiting both individuals and society. Despite its recognized positive effects,

limited evidence exists on the link between watching sports and well-being. To address this gap, a team of researchers conducted a multi-method research and found that sports viewing activates brain reward circuits leading to improved well-being. Popular sports like baseball notably impact well-being. The research offers insights for public health policies and individual well-being enhancement. So just

watching sports they're showing in this study is like it's pretty good. That's the people's well-being. So is there is there any scenario where you see yourself at this stage of your life. No. I disagree with you. Wait a second. I disagree. I talked to Adam about this. All right. All right.

All right. Go for it. And now here's the thing, right? I want to hear what you thought. Do you think I'm into gymnastics? Huh? I do. I think you wear a leotard and everything when you go to these.

No, you go watch your kids. Yeah. Right. Yeah. No, you go watch your kids do gymnastics. Okay. Right. You've seen signs of, uh, you know, abilities,

let's say with Aurelius and, um, let's just like play this out a little bit further along and like where he goes, his interests, like, you know, you might find yourself sort of coming into this community, like learning more about it, deconstructing it. You know what I mean? Um, but yeah But yeah, I'm actually, I hope for that personally. Just because I think you're gonna get so much out of it. Oh I will. There's a box I haven't checked in business for me.

And that's like to be able to have like a luxury box or whatever like that that we can do. And I can't do that through this business because you do have no desire for that. We gotta pull you in. We're working on it. So. We need a supplement company, I'll give you that.

We got a trader, give you a supplement company. So that's it. I get a luxury box. So, if you need a supplement company, I'll give you that. If you need a trader, I'll give you the supplement company. So that's it. First, I give a luxury box. The supplement company, and then we give it to you. We get the luxury box. We'll get our... That's like a serious thing. And I've already just accepted that's not going to happen in this business because I need all four partners to be excited about that. And I'm like, well, I guess I'll just chalk it up for

one day when I'm older, Katrina and I will have season tickets somewhere and we'll watch every game. You know, you hit the nail on the head though If my kids really get into a sport or any activity that I'm gonna get into it Yeah, just to support and of course you and I think it realizes that way. I think it's inevitable, dude He loves that shit, dude. Yeah, he loves it I know like everybody tries to tell me like oh, you know kids change to get all this that you can see it You can you can just see you can see a kid and even like his like all the things that

Challenge you with him and it kind of frustrates you are also all the attributes that make good athletes You know pain in the ass like, you know Contrarian like rebellious like, you know hyper like all those things that make that makes a good athlete And so you've got an arm on him dude. You got to see him throw he swings a bat, you know I never practice with him. I'm not teaching me just I know how to hold the bat and he hits the ball, you know Most of the time. Yeah, he likes that stuff. So we'll see my youngest daughter to my one and a half year Oh, this must be my wife's genetics. I think yeah My youngest she just learned how to walk

Okay, like literally just learned how to walk and now she walks around the house picking up heavy things and She'd likes to show me she looks at me and she smiles and then she'll lift like her toy Like she has a car that you sit on and ride She'll lift it or she'll lift up the big gymnastics blocks or whatever and then she'll walk across the house with it What is going on? Great. No, it's common. Yeah, it's a good time. I think well, I'll be I'll be definitely involving you guys because you know my I think there's a good chance. Well, I'll be definitely involving you guys because my coaching ability and ability to teach them stuff is limited.

So pass a certain point. Yeah, but you know what, though? If you're open to what Justin is saying, that they get into it, you get into it, we already know all of our personalities, you're obsessive, which is what I'm praying for, is you're going to get obsessed about a sport and then we can finally have these really deep,

great conversations. My hope, my hope is that he gets into wrestling or some kind of ground that I already love and that would be amazing. I hope he does something you totally are uncomfortable with. Just a mystery loves company. I mean I'm actually excited because Everett's completely done. He's not you know he doesn't want to do it. Your oldest just crushed it. He's crushed it. He just won first place. So wait a second, he just won this tournament, and now he wants to be out?

That's my oldest. No, the youngest. Oh, you're talking about Everett. Everett's like, he's having a hard time, because he's already kind of mentally in that space, where it's like, you know, when you're done, like he's already kind of there and wants to move on. And we just found a school that just opened up,

a Claudio Franca school for Jiu-Jitsu. Yeah. Which I don't know anything about. I've done a few sessions and whatnot, but I don't know anything about it. But I was excited, because it's something where I'm like, I don't know anything, and I'm going to learn it with him as we go.

That's a little bit more of my speed, a little more aggressive, a little more stakes and strategy. Not to say that gymnastics doesn't have strategy, it's just not like, it's a different type of strategy. It's more like performance with no, you have to be able to shut everything out and then just perform to perfection and everything has all the movements are so intricate This is more like let me try this and yeah. Yeah exactly. Is this gonna work? Is this not gonna I think you just it would be amazing for you Yeah, just your personality and like your competitiveness, but then the type they would like the type of Go against you guys if you were good at you just you both you guys are both moose

I would I I hope like I hope max gets into that that's something that we hope oh, you know It's funny. I tell you guys I didn't tell you guys, but I'm like Adam I didn't want to get into it cuz everybody I know that's how I podcast Okay, like so my son's in a jujitsu and then I that's what make drives me into it I'm all about it But because everybody else is doing it right now it it makes me not resistant to do it, right? Because I'll contrarian with you. I don't want to do it because everybody else is doing it.

But hey, my son is. That's why I'll go do it. Yep. But I didn't tell you. So we finally got the 14th book done. And so my son had that rock shining kit up on my counter. So we've done this so many times now, like with Legos and all that stuff,

that I was so surprised how long this took. And I wanted to, I totally didn't want to push it. I just wanted to see, is he just going to let this toy sit there on our counter every time? He did it. Yeah, of course. Of course he did. He's done it every time.

But I thought I was more intrigued by the patience of waiting and like, oh, yeah, dad, I'll read a book today. Have you tried the kit yet? So this is where I'm getting at. So we open it up. I had never done these before. I just know of them. And I thought, oh, I'll read a book today. Have you tried the kit yet? So, so this is where I'm getting at. So we open it up, right? I had never done these before. Like I just know of them and I thought, Oh, this will be cool. He's into rocks. And so that was my idea. Uh, and so I opened it up to go do it with him.

And I don't know if you guys have, but I didn't realize this. Like, it's not like a go plug it in and then it's ready in an hour. No, it takes probably days. Weeks, weeks, a rock in there and it tumbles them for a long ass time. Yeah, there's four cycles of three days each. So you have to go, so there's the... Good thing he's patient. I know. I felt so bad. Like I'm reading it and I have no idea. I'm like thinking like, oh, we'll plug this in and then later tonight he's gonna see some cool rocks. Like no, that's not how this works at all. There's like four stages. Stage one is like the core stuff that's in there.

It makes the rocks round. And then the next one shines them up a little bit. The next one polishes it. And then the next one finishes it. And it tumbles all day long, 24, seven, for like, it's just tumbling right now. It hasn't stopped tumbling for like. You know what your son would probably like?

We're gonna do this with our kids. Silkworms. Because then you can watch them build a cocoon, turn into a butterfly or whatever. You mean like kits? Yeah. Or like little farms? Yeah, dude. Oh, interesting.

It's great because they learn how to take care of an animal, they see the different cycles of life or whatever. Oh yeah, he would like that. You could feed them. But I'm so fascinated with his patience. Like I was so frustrated that I bought something that this poor kid. You wanna see the model? You mean wait forever to way forever to get it as he gets, he waits.

Yeah. And he's like, millennia daddy, uh, how long? And I'm like, reading. I'm like, Oh, three days. Oh, three, three days. And like, yeah, three days. And then we have to do another three days. And then another three days. So he's like, so confused. He's like, thanks dad for this gift. We put it all together and then just leave it. Now we're gonna leave it for another two weeks. Yeah, so I feel hella bad. But I tell you what, man, he's. That's a good skill.

Yeah, he's chill, man. He's like totally like, okay, dad, we'll see you in two weeks. Dude, speaking of gifts, I gotta tell you guys, so my parents, they're in Sicily right now. I didn't tell you guys, right? No, I didn't know that. Yeah, they flew over to Sicily, and they're gonna be there for,

I think a little over two months, and they're going to be there for, I think, a little over two months and they brought Ned for their family. My parents are such, they love Ned so much. They use the capsules. They love him so much. My dad will take a very low dose. He'll take one or two at night and he just feels less stiff from it and less inflammation. My mom started using it.

She noticed her blood sugar got better from taking it. So they took some over. He's been the biggest advocate in your family about it, right? I feel like you. My dad's, that's I think where I get it from. My dad gets excited about something, then he feels it.

Then he actually feels it. And he's all in. All in. Now, is he gonna have to smuggle that? Do they set? No, it's hemp oil extract. Yeah, but does Ned even ship overseas? Uh-uh.

They're only US. I don't think so. Maybe Doug could look it up. I think it's hemp oil extract. Yeah, but does Ned even ship overseas? Uh-uh. They're only in the US. I don't think so. Maybe Doug could look it up. I think it's just in the US. Yeah, there's some countries you can't take it in. For example, Dubai. Yeah, Middle East. Middle East. Oh, yeah, you go to jail for life.

That's really restrictive, in general. Wasn't somebody executed in one of those countries? There was somebody that was an American that, or they went to jail for life. They got tested. They didn't even have it on them they had THC in their system if you get tested and they find THC in your blood it's considered carrying we're not going there

I can't it's in my hair yeah it takes like a month to get that out of your system too yeah yeah I can't do that I know but anyway so they're over there sharing it I'll get some I want to go to Dubai though that's on my left when you could do you like to go there? Is that like an area that you- I would love to go there. Yeah, I would love to check it out too. I would love to go there.

I heard it's gorgeous. It's got some gold seal. I heard it's gorgeous. I heard they have incredible shopping malls, gyms. It's supposed to be really good over there. There's a great fitness scene over there. I just want to see all the cars. Do you think it's like that?

Oh yeah. Or just, they're just driving around. Oh yeah, no, I've talked to people that have been over there. Really? Yeah, they say it's like that. Huh. Yeah, I was even talking to my, like that have been, really? Yeah, they say it's like that. Yeah. Yeah, I was even talking to my,

but like there's like, like with the exotic cars and stuff like that, there's like crazy companies like Mansory and like that do these over the top kits. And like they're known as like, people call them like to buy kits because it's like, that's where you see that. Like here you would never see that.

It's just, so you buy a half a million dollar car, like who's going to go spend it? You leave it. Yeah, you leave it alone. It's already amazing. Like who goes spends $200,000 through an outside company? What are they doing? They modify it, just completely modify it. What are you going to add to it? I'll show you guys. I mean, I don't even like the way it looks. It looks, you take a beautiful car, like a Ferrari or a Lamborghini, and you just like change it. It looks like a different car. It's like, why would you do that? I think it's so beautiful. Yeah, I'll show you. I'll show you.

Like, well, Doug, pull up Mansory, M-A-N-S-O-R-Y body kits. Do they make them look all like comic book style? Yes, yeah. You'll see. I think I've seen stuff like this. They're like over the top. Like it doesn't, like you wouldn't, I mean, especially if you don't know the models

and stuff like that, you wouldn't even know what kind of model it is after it. Yeah, have you guys ever seen the change in change in a country like to buy over. Oh show one. That's all done up Oh, that looks pretty Such a does not modify Just type it in Doug and Google and Google, and then go to images. Yeah, give me just images. That way you can see a bunch of them. Top, click up top images.

And then, oh, OK. Now you can see that. Look at that blue car. I mean, so far it's kind of cool. No, no. It's much. It's a lot. Yeah, look at that G-Wagon.

So they're over. Anyways, in the car world like people will refer to that like as like a Dubai kit or whatever and it's like you've got so much freaking money to try to separate your maybe because there's so many of them. Yes yeah you got so much money and to separate it you do this crazy over the top custom work that modifies the car. Have you guys seen like those pictures of Dubai like 50 years ago versus now or something like that? Have you seen those? It's crazy.

Like how much money they built. Crazy. It's crazy. It's really the power of capitalism, money, markets, because it just. Weren't they the ones that created their own island with the palm island thing with all the buildings? Is that even still?

Oh, here you go. What is that right there? That's all that's all man-made look at is that that's before and after right there look at that picture Yeah, just the amount of money take and when is that before taken does it show the year then and now It's not even that long ago not that long no, it's it's an insane 1990 to 2019 look at that yeah, that's like that's wild Well, how far how far from there are they building that that that famous the the longest long near down Saudi Arabia? Hold on. I thought that they had to scrap that I think they had to reduce

I read an article that said it was a huge like disgrace to the royal family because they had there was a this huge plans and they had to dramatically reduce the size of it because really yeah because cost I didn't know that I want something on that that's still going on how far are they from apart apart from each other they broke around for I mean they're probably very close yeah that's what I thought so is it like yeah I don't know well I wanted to bring this up it was said for Adam because Adidas was doing like some interesting promotional idea and it's always interesting to see how you get people's attention these

days with like wild shoes. How much more wild can you get with shoes? Because I mean, I've seen some crazy ones, but Adidas, they made these literally so the box you get your shoes in. Yeah. They just styled and made it into a shoe. Wait, it's a shoe box? It's like Inception, dude. Let me see this.

Let me see this. Yeah, they're literally box, like shoe boxes, and they cut it out and have the tongue and everything in there. And so you're walking around with these stupid boxes. Doug, look up Adidas box shoes. Is this like- I have not seen this. and have the tongue and everything in there. And so you're walking around with these stupid boxes. Doug, look up Adidas box shoes. Is this like, I have not seen this. That's weird.

I wanna see a picture of it. Why he's looking that up. Have you seen the prototypes for Wimby's shoes? Have you seen his? Uh-uh. So he's a rookie. That's not a box shoe. No, that's not.

It looks like a nice shoe. No, box, like promotional box. Oh, those are boxing shoes. Maybe Adidas shoe box shoes? Shoe box shoes, yeah. Is that a real thing or was it like a joke? No, it's like a promotional, so it's like to get attention for something, right?

That's like half the, I think, it's so hard these days to shut up. The box shoes. It actually shows somebody with them on. The only reason why I believe these could be true is remember when those stupid, those big like Kanye was wearing and Antonio Brown was wearing them. The big red boot one thing. Yes, yes.

Like those were a real thing. Those didn't take a, oh my gosh. Shut up. I just thought like- Are we being trolled? Are we like- Kyle, are you, can you do you know at that level now? Or you're young enough. You're stupidest idea we can have April fools. No, is it really?

According to this yeah, oh come on God damn it just like it's full right now three for three No, I'm not bringing up anymore any news about famous people. Yeah famous people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no still do it, bro It's still good. Yeah, yeah. No, still do it, bro, still a good time. Okay, fine. Look up, give me this, Doug. Misinformation hour. Wemby, W-E-M-B-Y, Wemby prototype sneaker.

What's Wemby? It's a person, Wemby Yana is his last name. Who is it? Yeah, it's a new rookie basketball player. Okay. It's like, there's guys seven foot five. Whoa. And plays like a guard.

Shooting threes like Steph. Is he the tallest person in the NBA? Yes. And has handles and can shoot. He set like all kinds of records this year, his rookie year. Look at those things. Oh, weird.

And so his logo is like the alien design and so these are his shoes, they're gonna look like this. Look at those, those are wild. Looks like he's been out of whipped cream. Yeah. You know what I mean? That's weird. He's wild to watch play, dude.

It's a trip. Could you imagine seeing what a seven foot five person would look like in person? I mean, if you've never- Seven five, I don't know. Seen- I've seen a seven foot guy, which- Oh no, the guy actually wasn't seven foot, he was six 10.

Going to a basketball game and seeing what- I think what right crazier to me is when you see the point guards like Steph Curry who you assume are short Because they're short Five guy and he's the little point guard and he's bigger than you right is a trip. Yeah, there's like six eight Yeah, yeah, he's not that tall but either he's over You know, he's six three, you know I'm saying as a point guard and so he's not that tall, but he's over, you know, he's six, three, you know what I'm saying? As a, as a point guard. And so he's not like this tiny little short guy, but he looks like it, cause he's playing with guys that are seven, five. And so when you're, and where else in the world would you ever see that many people over six, five in the, in the same room? Like you could go,

you could go 10 years of your life and never see a seven foot person. No, yeah. And never see a set, but yeah. Muggsy bugs the shortest. Yeah. But he was under six foot. He a seven foot person. No. Yeah. And never see a seven foot person. But yeah. Was Mugsy Bugs the shortest? Yeah. But he was under six foot. He's five three. No. Yes, sir.

Is there somebody shorter than him? No, he was not five three? Yes, sir. Five three. He could dunk too. No way. He could dunk. He dunked at five three?

Five three. I'm pretty sure he's five three. No way. Yeah, five three. Thank you. Wow. Five three. What?

Yeah. So how would he? So he would just run between everybody's legs? And he could dunk, dude. It was a trip to watch. Yeah. Wait a minute. Spud Webb three. What? Yeah. So how would he? So he was just right between everybody's legs? He's dunked, dude. It was a trip to watch. Wait a minute.

Spud Webb was down that low too. He was pretty short. He was a little taller, I think, but not much. Talk about your whole life. I'm going to play in the NBA. No, you're not. Sorry, buddy. You're super small, bro.

You're not even close to tall enough. And then you do. I know. Wow. Yeah. And imagine putting him next to someone like Wimby who's like seven five. But then again it would be hard like how would he get like you have to bend way the hell down just to touch the key. Well you're not stealing the ball from but good luck him shooting over you know I'm saying like yeah you're trying to get the ball from him that'd be impossible.

Yeah yeah like it's like you know but I mean. It's like when my three-year-old gets trying to run away from me. Imagine like you playing against me in basketball and the whole time you get two broomsticks to be holding over. Yeah. You know, like, and I have to shoot over that. So he was very, he must've been good for like defense and. Spud web? Yeah. Or I mean, uh, uh, Muggsy.

Yeah. Uh, I wouldn't consider him a great defender. What was he? Great ball hander and passer. Real great. Yeah. So he just made plays happen. He's a true point guard.

Yeah. Wow. That's insane. But the fact that he could dunk is crazy. Five three is, is, is. That's insane. He must have been a grasshopper. I'm pretty sure that he won the dunk contest one year because of that.

Just because like him being able to do like a reverse dunk is like an insane feat. That's crazy. Speaking of crazy, I cannot wait for our Vegas get together with all of our fans. I know. So when's the last time we did? Ohio.

It's been a long time. Before COVID. So we haven't done since 2020. Was it 2020 that we did it or was It's been a long time. Before COVID. So we haven't done, we haven't done since 2020. Was it 2020 that we did it or was it 2020? 2020. Right before COVID hit, we did a live event with fans. Yeah. So it's been four years. Yeah. Then this one's in Vegas. This is going to be a good time. So, and how many people are we allowing to go? 200. Okay. Yeah, we had to cut it off at 200 fire marshal stuff I have a feeling this one will go fast because this is this is the first time the Bellagio

Yeah, Bellagio So Vegas Bellagio live with us hang out meet us and then are we doing the the where we're doing some VIP where people can also Yeah, there's gonna be six VIP shoes like we're doing. Yeah, we're gonna do a fancy steak dinner with six people Then there'll be and then there'll be general admission, right? So it'll be general admission. And then I think we even have a deal for like if couples come for, if you buy two tickets or whatever like that. And then we're gonna be there all day with general admission people and then we'll hang

out VIP stuff. And VIP, I think Katrina and the team are putting together like a gift bag, you get front row seats you Dinner with us It's been a long time those are we sell it right away though So I'll just tell you right now if you're listening and you want to do the dinner with us because there's only six That always go they'll be gone in like 15 minutes. Yeah, that'll go as soon as this goes live. It'll go that'll go the fire Where do they go then? Where's what's the website? mindpumplive.com

Yeah, can you pull it up? I haven't even seen what it looks like. Is there a picture of us? What are we doing here? We in Vegas? Is it like, oh, hey, what did someone do with that hangover picture? That would have been a great picture. Oh, yeah.

We did those photos and everything. Actually, we did do that. Come on, you guys. We could do everything around here. Yeah, and you have the little baby carrier. Yeah. Yeah, that would have been hilarious for a Vegas thing that we're doing.

That would have been perfect. Come on. No, it changed the image. It's just a nice picture of us looking like we like each other. Yeah. Yeah. Real rare moment.

Look at Justin with sunglasses at the front answering questions, what a douchebag. That was a... Dude, it's outside. I mean, if I'd be an asshole if it's inside. When was that event? That one right there, Doug, that was for trainers only, right? This one? That one right there, Doug, that was for trainers only.

Right? This one? That one right there. No. So you know why I did that. That might have been the time Max Lugavere was here. Yeah. December 22.

December 22. So that was more recent. But that was just for trainers and only 50 people. Yeah. Yeah, it was only trainers. Okay. Yeah, I can't remember. You don't remember.

Look, I had all the answers taped to my inside of my glasses. Is that why? I need that shit. Look, I had all the answers taped to my inside of my glasses. That's not why. I need that shit. I'm not like a robot like you. Stupid. I love the live events, I really do. I enjoy. Listen, I've said it a million times, I'll say it again.

We love what we do, but the one thing that we're lacking with this is what we used to get in the gyms, is you actually get to meet the people that you're impacting and helping, and we don't get to meet lots, in fact today we have a few people listening to the show live and we enjoy that because we get to meet people, otherwise it's like, who are we impacting,

who are we helping? You just get disconnected. It doesn't feed you the same. What's the most, like what's the funniest or most common question you get asked when we do live stuff? Like is there something that like you just, either is a left field always,

like that's so weird that people always. My favorite is when they ask me about you guys. So they'll say things like, do you guys really get along? Or what's annoying about Justin? What about, I like those kind of questions. I make shit up and tell them all kinds of crazy shit about you guys.

Yeah, yeah. I think people are always surprised, I always have people that, and we just did the one in Florida, right, where we were with people, how much we don't hang out outside of here. Yeah, people assume that we work out together, that we do all these other things together. We have scheduled conversations hours long every day.

What am I gonna do, I'm gonna talk to you guys some more. What else are we gonna talk about? Yeah, yeah. We're all good. I'm speechless afterwards, I used it a lot. I know, but I think everybody, they obviously feel. They think we hang out all day? Well, because of our, I think our bond.

We could, I mean, you know. We don't, everybody's. And I think it's because everyone has different things, right, we're all in a kind of different stuff, even though we're, fitness brings us together, right? And we share. If we didn't have this, we would hang out. I think also, we get a lot of it out by doing this,

talking with each other, quite a bit on the show. And also, I don't know, it's good content when we don't see each other for a while. And then we sit down and we get to unload, talk about what's happening, you know? Yeah, no, I agree with that. But I'm excited, bro, I can't wait to do this. We haven't done a live event with listeners in so long.

I remember how that would make us feel. We get a little bit of that when we do the NCI events because we get to meet trainers, but this is next level. So the shout out today is ourselves. It's ourselves. My pump blood. My pump CS. Shout pump live.com.

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with any order. Go to drinklmnt.com forward slash mind pump. All right, back to the show. Our first caller is Danny from Australia. Danny, what's going on, man? What up, Danny? What's up, man? Hey guys, how are yous?

How you doing? Great. We're doing all right. Adam's having a little something there in the corner. I give them supplements to try or experiment, you know, whatever you want to call it. So I'll see how we end up in minutes from now. I just want to say first and foremost, you guys probably sick of hearing it by now, but just want to say a huge thank you to everything you guys do for the

fitness community. I myself as an up and coming personal trainer, really helps me, my clients to teach them the right way to do things. And yeah, it helps to put the right information out there. So thank you guys, heaps for that. Thank you, man. You're our favorite people. We love trainers.

How can we help you? So my question revolves around bodybuilding. I'm currently seven weeks out from my first show and 500 calories. Maintenance is roughly about 3800 calories and my question is regarding basically post-show. So I've hired myself a coach being my first show not being aware of what to expect and how to get myself in the shape required to be on stage. So my question is just after the show, what should my calories look like and what should my training intensity slash volume look like going back into normal everyday life to try and mitigate fat gain and obviously keep,

I don't know whether my intensity needs to be reduced because of my calories is going to be reduced. So I just kind of am a bit lost as to what to do after the after the fact. A generic answer would be to almost mirror what you did going in. So like, you know, for example, if you are your seven weeks out and you cut another 500 calories and add an hour cardio week and then the next and you cut another 500 calories and add an hour of cardio a week, and then the next week you cut another 500 calories add another hour of cardio a week,

and you just keep doing something like that, or I don't know what your plan is, or what your coach has you doing. But then when you come out, you reverse- You scale it back. You scale it back almost the same way you scaled coming into it. That's kind of a generic answer.

Now you can get away with, you know, the first two days of after being so low for so long, you're going to find that my favorite time actually is the week after competing because you've been deprived for so long. And you could tell you're going to have the best workout of your life. You know, about two, three days after after the show, because your body has just been starving of nutrients. It's probably wanted to back off of all the cardio that you might be doing or going to be doing, and so it's gonna respond

really, really well. The mistake people make is they come all the way down, let's say by the time you hit peak week, you get down to 2,500 or 2,200 calories, let's say you get that low, and then you jump all the way back up to 35 or 37 every day. Now you could afford to easily jump back up to 35 or 37 for the first two days,

because you're gonna be needing to refuel, refeed, fill your glycogen levels all back up, and so you could afford to do two big days right after you've been depleted, but then I would go right back to like a, somewhere in the middle calorie. And so if you got all the way down to 22 and you know that your your maintenance is somewhere around 35 or 37, I'll probably put you at like 2,700 calories. So I have an interesting speculation on this Adam

and you're the only I mean you're you're IFBB Pro so you're obviously the person to ask here. When people come out of intense in season training for other sports, basketball, football, water polo, whatever, typically the protocol sounds very different than what we would tell an in season bodybuilder post show. In other words, an athlete, if they go into hard season, they train their ass off and like, okay, what do I do afterwards? Typically the advice is take a week or two off completely. Don't exercise, bump your calories up, nourish your body, and then

ease back into training. But what we tell, tend to tell bodybuilders is to maintain the intensity and then scale down slowly and keep the calories high and scale down slowly. And I'm assuming, and I'd love to hear your input on this, cause I know you've experimented with all kinds of different methods. I'm assuming the reason for this has less to do with what's better for the body and more to do with

we don't want to gain a lot of body fat. Am I, is that correct? Yeah, this is not what's optimal for health. Yeah, this is like how do I mitigate body fat. I mean, there's some level of health there, right? Because you don't want to binge afterwards, which is the number one mistake. That's unhealthy, right? To do that. But yeah, it's more in lines of, oh, this is how I reduce the least amount of excess body fat I'm going to put on. Some is healthy and good. We want that. That's why a couple of days of a

good high refeed, you can easily get away with two or three days of really high calorie right afterwards and then and do literally. The other part of it I'm assuming it has to do with the psychological piece because coming out of a contest like you said the binge aspect the incident of or the instances where bodybuilders or physique competitors just go so far in the opposite direction so high that really what you're managing a lot of is a psychological component. or bodybuilders or physique competitors just go so far in the opposite direction so high that really what you're managing a lot of is a psychological component.

A hundred percent. Danny, the thing with this is like, at least in my experience, not only personally going through this, but coaching people through this, people can get really in the weeds, especially coaches that are charging you to pay them to make this overly complicated than it needs to be. Like the big thing is do not go overboard. And that is the number one mistake that most people, they go, they, in fact, you, and I'm sure you're aware of this because you're in, you're in the space right now, like, you know, everybody right now heading into the show is already

planning their post workout. They've, there are, I've seen, yeah, weeks, weeks before their show they're already buying the Oreo bags they're already talking about they're gonna eat I mean that used to be a thing I don't know if it's still a thing but that was always a thing in my when I was competing like everybody was already purchasing the junk that they were gonna consume that they had been restricting from that is a terrible way to do this and a terrible relationship with this competing and then dieting.

And so long as you do not go from that, because here's what happens is, let's say you went for like 8,000 calories, which sounds like a lot, but you'd be surprised how easily you could eat that when you've been deprived that long. The next day after 8,000 calories, you're going to look and feel awesome. And then if you do that again, 8,000 calories, you're still going to look pretty fucking awesome and feel pretty good. And so psychologically, you start to mindfuck yourself and go like, man, I really need all these. And man, this is great. I'm going to eat whatever I want. And then you stay on that path. And then you look back after three weeks and you've put

20 pounds on and 15 of its body fat. Adam, do you think that would this be a viable approach considering the psychological aspect of it? Like if somebody posts show, cause I'm thinking physiologically, right? If you told them, take a week off of exercise, uh, slowly ramp your calories up, ease back into your workout. Um, at that point versus keeping it where it was and then you know instead of this kind of pyramid that looks like high and then bring it

down rather start low start to bring it back up or do you think that that's gonna feed too much into the opposite? Yeah there's a there's a lot of different ways that I've personally played with this like how did you feel best? I actually liked literally all I would do is pretend that the diet hasn't stopped okay so the show is over I would just treat the day I would do is pretend that the diet hasn't stopped. So the show is over, I would just treat the day of the show, the day after as like a big refeed. So I would, I'd eat big, I'd eat big for those two days.

But then I would pretend like I'm still on a diet. And it's just, but I have a lot more freedom now. It's like the diet's no longer 2,200 calories, the diet's 2,700 calories. So same food, just more. Yeah, and you know, I don't have to now, now I don't have to do the hour of cardio that I was having to do in that last week heading into it.

So I've cut out the cardio, I've increased my calories, but I still pretend like I'm still following a plan until I get myself ramped up to this like sustainable calorie intake where I can maintain a body, single digit body fat percentage, be feeding myself good and doing no cardio whatsoever. And that's kind of the desired outcome. And that's what's worked for me. And what I've seen fail the most is just the, it really is the going to extreme. There's a lot of different ways to skin this. Like no plan, going from a plan to no plan. Yes. There's a ton of ways you can skin this cat. And again, coaches will overcomplicate this and try and sound smarter than they are of like, oh, you need to do it this way.

And it's like, no, it's not that complicated. And so like with the training, obviously I'm doing five days a week at the moment. And then like you said, drop the cardio off and 12 and a half thousand steps. And so when I reverse out of this, should I reduce those five days down to like three or four? Like, cause I was looking at like a map split sort of deal. Or is that too much volume? Oh, only Dan, only if that is considered a lot of training for you.

Right? So like, if you, if like, even if you weren't competing, would you still train five days a week? And if you would, then I'd say, I've been training five days a week, pretty much the last few years that I've been prepping. So, yeah. So, so there's, there's, it's not necessarily. Maybe come back with kind of a lower intensity as your body

recovers. Yeah. You just, yeah. I mean, and really, I don't know what your, your coach has you doing right now, but when, when, once I got into a prep mode, I'm really not pushing the intensity. You're not building any muscle right now. So there's no reason to be like, you know, crazy training sets. This is also by the way, I think it's a mistake that a lot of competitors make it still training to failure like crazy and trying to push. It's like, dude, you're you are depleted.

You're not feeding your body what's necessary. Over stressing it is not going to keep any more muscle if anything is going to sacrifice more. So right now you should be doing, you know, I mean, you should still be training hard because you're probably consistent and strong, but you're not trying to break records. You're not trying to increase volume right now, just maintaining. So when you come and then and then when you get fed a bunch of calories right after your show, you're gonna feel amazing because and so you don't really need to modify the the weight training part per se or you shouldn't have to if you've been coached into it Right and you've been training properly going in

the only thing that's really gonna get modified is I reduce or get rid of cardio and I and I bump calories and then and depending on how far down you went, you know I'm probably gonna bump it back up and give myself to two refeed days and I'm probably gonna bump myself 500 calories and I'm gonna see what happens in that week and how my body responds and then I'm slowly probably bumping 500 calories a week all the way until I get back to what I would consider my like good maintenance or where I want to maintain my calories. That's pretty much what it looks like as far as the the strength training you know you could keep it the same. Now you will benefit from switching your

programming up because now you're you're refeeding your body to surplus. So giving it a new adaptation. So let's say your protocol kind of looks like a maps aesthetic program and then you get out of the sh- or get done with your show and then you transition to like a map strong or an old timey with a calorie surplus, that'd be super beneficial because now you have a new adaptation, you're refeeding the body and so you're going to see some growth and change. Perhaps anabolic would even be good. Yeah, or anabolic or anabolic advanced because he's an experienced lifter, like either one of those would be great.

Yeah, no, also I've got both those programs so I can easily transition into one of those. Awesome. Thanks so much. Are you in our forum already? No, I'm not. I'm not part of the forum at the moment. I'll have Doug put you in our forum and then as you're going through the process I know you have a coach but feel free to share your experience in your process and If you just want to double-check things with me tag me and let me know what's going on. Awesome, man. Appreciate it and just add one more member to the city down to P tribe one more member to the city down to P tribe. Wow. You're from Australia? Back in the day you guys were too ashamed you would hide in the shadows all of a sudden all this courage. That's my guy.

All right brother I'll see you inside the forum. Thanks guys appreciate it. You got it. You know I don't know if I feel like I gave a good answer. I think you did. It's interesting, first off, the psychological piece you have to consider first and foremost when you're talking about anybody, but especially someone coming out of a post show or a pre-contest diet. Beside that, it was interesting. As you were talking, I thought when we talk about an in-season athlete who's also training to the max, probably over-trained, you know, injury prone, they get out of season,

the advice is typically different. It's like, take some time off. Whereas these guys, we say, no, train the same, slowly scale it down over time, but it really has to do more with the aesthetic and the psychological piece where it's like, I'm worried about getting too much body fat, and they tend to swing in the opposite direction.

It also matters too, Sal, and what I don't know, because I'm not his coach, is, because this is a massive mistake in this space, is these guys depleted to all shit, doing cardio like crazy, and then they're training intense as fuck. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, and that's because all the videos that we've seen

and all the hype that's around it, but it's like, you that's because like all the videos that we've seen and all the hype that's around it, but it's like, you're not doing yourself, I always say the real work for winning, having a first place physique on stage was done before prep. That was the building and the sculpting, you came in the show before, your shoulders weren't round enough,

off season, I'm loaded on calories, I'm building those delts, come prep time, I'm not building my delts anymore. I'm carving away the body fat and I'm revealing all the hard work I did. And you can absolutely overdo the training because you're in a caloric deficit and you're doing cardio. And most of these knuckleheads do that. And really he should be kind of cruising in with his training.

He's now just, he's just touching all his muscles. I mean, staying strong, the guy's probably strong. So I'm not saying like reduce your intensity to 50%, but you don't need to be- You're just trying to keep- Yeah, you're not trying to make leaps right now. You're in a calorie deficit and you're doing cardio. That would be, you're just, you may as well do another hour of cardio every day then too, and really sacrifice more muscle. You're not getting enough nutrients to build at this place. So if that's true and you're doing that right, when you come out, you're not training hella intense.

In fact, you might actually get to ramp up your... So my best workouts were the two, three days after training because I'm fed now. You got all that... Now I'm hitting PRs. Now I'm hitting my best lifts, my best pumps. Like I feel like I could train for an extra hour. I mean, I feel amazing. So, and that to me, that's what should be happening here. But unfortunately, it's hard because

so many of these coaches, they go to the calorie burn thing and they increase intensity and the strength training, they increase the amount of cardio they're doing, they decrease the amount of calories. And then yeah, then these people's, these people's metabolisms are all out of whack when they get out of the show. But it's not that, it's not that over complicated if you go into it correctly and then you, like I say, you don't eat like an asshole afterwards. You don't go overboard with the overeating for weeks, you know, a couple days ain't going to hurt you, but five, six, seven days of binging, absolutely. Or months. Yeah, or months, which is what happens.

Our next caller is Kelly from North Carolina. Hi Kelly, how can we help you? How are you? We're doing all right. Good. Well, thank you so much for having me on. This is just an honor to be here and for you guys to take my question. So Sal, don't let them pick on you about your supplements because I have an array of supplements too.

And I even have a supplement purse, but it's not a supplement purse. It's a healthy habits purse. Oh, that's cute. We'll call it a healthy habits purse. You can call it what you want, it's dysfunctional. I'm not in denial of it. A healthy habits purse, I like that.

No, no, thank you. I'm right there. We'll buy you one. So I'll go ahead and I'll read my email and then I'll update you guys on some things. So I need your guys' help. I've had very little aesthetic improvement in my glutes over the past year and I was curious what I should be doing differently. Some background, I'm 43 years old, I'm 5'1 and about 115 to 120 pounds.

I'm a group fitness instructor, I'm sorry Adam, but I also teach yoga and I'm a personal trainer. I used to be a hardcore cardio, boot camp class junkie, but I wasn't seeing improvements and I was only getting injuries. I quit doing those classes and I started lifting about two years ago. I mostly started with machines like Smith machine and accessory exercises for my legs and glutes. And I saw some improvements. I had the newbie gain, so I saw some improvements, but then I plateaued and didn't have much visual improvements.

I found you guys about a year ago in April of 23 and I ended up purchasing the Mother's Day bundle which included MAPS anesthetic. I started MAPS anesthetic to get ready for a family beach trip and that's when I started first doing compound lifts and I first started using a barbell. And then after I completed MAPS aesthetics I started MAPS symmetry and I really enjoyed the unilateral workouts. I'm currently following Maps Anabolic and Pre-Phase. Strength wise, I've seen some good improvements from doing the Maps programs. I went from 85 pounds on my deadlift to 185 pounds. My back's up from 85 pounds to 150.

My hip thrust went from 155 pounds to 295 pounds unfortunately to look at my glutes there doesn't seem to be much visual difference I love my strength gains but I wish it translated more to aesthetics but am I being too impatient I feel a year of continued strength should least warrant a little more junk in my trunk. I've included progress pictures from before I started lifting to year one and year two. My calories are at 2000 with 120 to 150 grams of protein in whole foods. I'm consistent with tracking and I have one on track meal with my family on Saturday nights. I'm also consistent with strength training about three times a week.

I teach two group fitness classes and one yoga class per week and no other cardio except walking. So just an update from when I sent my email that was like three months ago. I've quit doing the cardio classes. So I'm just teaching yoga just one day a week now. And also right after I sent in my email, I came down with COVID really, really bad and I couldn't work out for a few weeks. And I can only teach my classes. And then finally, I started back into Maps Anabolic. And I could do like maybe one day a week some compound lifts

but I really had to take away a lot of the the weight and build myself back up and one thing I noticed was with almost starting fresh again that I was connecting more with my muscles and maybe when I increased my weight before from lifting, it might've been more just throwing my weight on the bar and ego lifting. So I don't know if that might've had a little bit to do with it, but I feel like I've been putting in

a lot of effort and I'm not seeing as much as I was hoping for, but that's why I want you guys guidance. Yeah, so I think you're doing way too hard on yourself. Yeah, I think you're looking great. You got your, okay, so you went from 1,500 to 2,000 calories, your strength went through the roof, and you can see it in your butt too. Your butt looks different.

And abs, you have more abs, and you're eating more calories. You're moving in the right direction. Yeah, yeah. I think you need a little more patience. Or you might not ever be satisfied with what you're looking for because, you said you don't have any junk in the trunk I see you can just right there and your and your butt lifted and got rounder. Yeah

Which would reflect the strength gains? Yeah, so the advice I'd give you would be the advice I'd give anybody which is to stay patient continue Slowly bumping up your calories to fuel the gains continue to try to get stronger And then if you want to add any volume, you know If you do the the maps programs and you do any volume, you know, if you do the MAPS programs and you focus on glutes, let's say you hit glutes before you hit squats, that type of stuff,

on the off days you could do a little bit of extra volume by doing isolation glute exercises, like four or five sets on the off days, just to add a little bit extra volume. But you're doing great, that's incredible progress. I actually think you have a lot of glute. I think if I was critiquing you like a bikini competitor and you were my client, I would probably put some emphasis on hamstrings. So we would probably hit and what that will do is it'll create the illusion of more, but

it'll work on the hamstring. Yeah. The tie in right there. And that'll make the butt look even bubblier and fuller because the hamstrings are more shapely. And so there's room for some improvement and growth there. And so if you haven't put a lot of energy and focus on like getting really strong on the deadlift and doing a lot of hamstring work. You can just add volume with leg curls on the off days too, because it's not really a taxing exercise. In fact, I would do things like donkey kickbacks or cable, you know, abduction,

you know, on the off days, just to add a little volume to the glutes. And then I would add leg curls on those off days. So you might do like a 25 minute workout on the off days, just getting a pump in the hamstrings and getting a little extra work on the glutes, bump the calories, and you'll continue to see progress. But you're, you're really hard on yourself. That's really good progress. I mean, I could clearly see the difference

between the pictures and the stuff. No, I can too. I think you look great and being able to do that while also increasing calories and it looks like you look It looks like you got leaner. You got leaner. On top of it. And built.

I mean, the thing is it's slow though, you know what I'm saying? Like when you've been lifting and training and doing stuff for a long time, we're older, like it is a slow process, but that's also the sign that you're doing it right. It sounds like you have a pretty good balance. You could probably afford to bump calories more and still push that a little bit. So you could go- I think go up 200 calories. Yeah, you could go on a bulk for a little while and see if that'll help build and then come back

down for a little while and see what you see after that, so you could afford to do that for sure. I definitely think that the fact that you increased calories and you look leaner to me would be an indicator that I could push the calories even harder if we were trying to grow. Yeah, this isn't just like, this is actually exceptional progress between the two pictures that I saw

in that one year period, because you were fit to begin with. It's not like you went from nothing to training. You were already fit, but to see you go from fit to even leaner, with more muscle, more shape, 500 more calories. You're doing all the right stuff exercise-wise too. Very good. You listed, so.

And we're also not taking any consideration, if I, correct me if I'm wrong, you said you were doing all kinds of cardio and cardio classes before and then you cut that out. So you've cut out a bunch of, you, you know, calorie burning activity, bumped calories, you got stronger, look leaner. I mean, that's a massive win when you consider that cause you got to factor in that too, that you are no longer doing all the repetitive burning. So that's awesome. Okay. Thank you guys. I guess maybe I have some friends that are coaches and you know,

it's honestly it's hard to coach yourself and I look at them and I look progressively and I'm like, wow, I'm not really seeing much and I show some friends and they're like, oh, I don't know. I'm not seeing as much too. And then I'm thinking, am I putting in all this work and getting nothing out of it? But one I... Well, thank you guys. And I didn't want to sacrifice... From listening to you guys, I've really prioritized sleep, just getting in good food. And I feel like I feel better now from cutting out years ago with all those cardio classes. I never realized how spent I was all the time, now being able to have more energy, and I love feeling strong.

I just wasn't sure, and it makes sense, I've probably been just a little too hard on myself, a little too impatient, but you guys are reassuring me that I'm moving in the right direction, I can keep doing that, and I also wanna thank you guys because being a coach and trainer myself, I've been able to help people and see their best potential. And part of the reason why I stopped teaching classes was because of being in your guys'

program to the Mindpub coaching program, I've added on more clients. And so I've been able to cut the classes, add on clients, and it's just been such a... So I knew I could reach out to you guys because I trust your advice, and I knew that whatever you guys would share with me would be the direction that I need to go. So as far as like, if I, like you said, Adam, if I focus more on the hamstring stuff, so you guys were saying do like a separate day, is that kind of like a trigger day, or would that be more than a trigger?

Like a focus session. Like a focus session. I mean she's got all the programs, so we could run, I would run like Maps Aesthetic and then make hamstrings and glutes your focus days. Yeah. Okay. Yep.

Yeah, so Kelly, I'm gonna give you, so okay, so now I'm gonna give you the advice I think that'll really help you, because I don't think building more butt and hamstrings is gonna fix this. You're going to if you listen to our advice and you're already doing that. But I'm gonna tell you now because you're a trainer, you work in the fitness industry, and I'm gonna guess that you're a better trainer to your clients than you are to yourself.

Would that, am I correct? Okay. 100%. If you really want to work on this, what I want you to do is to stop taking pictures of yourself, stop examining yourself in the mirror and criticizing or being critical of your body, stop weighing yourself, stop taking your body fat and just for a couple months just focus on how you feel and treat yourself like a client. That's going to have to be a conscious thing. So in other words, when these negative conversations pop up or these inward thoughts or criticisms, I want you to stop yourself and act like the trainer

that you are to your clients because you're going to have to beat this. And this, by the way, this is very common with people in our space. This is the trainer curse or the fitness professional curse. We're so hard on ourselves and we're so much better with our clients. If you could flip that on yourself then you'll achieve a whole new level of happiness with your fitness. If you don't, it's gonna be a struggle for a long time. Okay yeah that makes so much sense and and I can flip that switch I can do that and I probably just needed to hear that from

you guys and you know that kind of changes my perspective on things a lot. And you hit the nail on the head and I never, I didn't know that was what I was going to be going into, but I guess I should have known that you guys would be able to do that for me. So, well, keep us posted, Kelly. I'd love to hear back from you in a couple of months and hear how things are going.

I'm really happy that our coaching course has helped you build your business. That was the whole point of the whole thing. So that's amazing to hear. It's been incredible. And I will say the level of confidence that I have is through the roof. Like I, I felt confident before, but not just like listening to the podcast and what you guys share, but having this program where you guys lay out so much, and then also having the camaraderie of the other trainers

and the Facebook group has been, it's been priceless. So thank you guys so much. Awesome. Thank you for the feedback. Thank you, Kelly. Fantastic. All right, guys, take care. Bye-bye.

All right. It's so tough, you know, and I can relate to her because I'm the same way. And you know, it's like, I know so many trainers, I was the same way. They're so good with their clients. Their clients come to them with the same criticism. Oh my God, my body, I feel like I'm not changing.

And then the trainer's like, no, no, what are you talking about? Like you gained 100 pounds on your deadlift. Look at these pictures, your butt is here versus over here, you look so much better. It's a massive blind spot. And then for yourself, you're just, just, shut the, you know, you can so much better. It's a massive blind spot. And then for yourself, you're just, just shuts a, you know,

you can be such an asshole to yourself and you won't get out of it with, by changing your body, you'll be chasing a moving goalpost for the rest of your life. Part of this conversation is listening to the descriptors when we're talking about the butt bubbly, shapely. It's, you know, to see it in other people, it's, it's very revealing because it's like, I have no junk in the trunk. You know, I think junk in the's my favorite. And it's, you know, to see it in other people, it's very revealing because it's like, I have no junk in the trunk.

I think we're gonna pose it. Yeah, junk in the trunk, isn't it? Yeah, like those pictures don't say that at all. Well, the part that I wanna highlight, because this is a common mistake made by, not just trainers, but clients too, is you have to factor in all the other changes in behaviors that you've been able to do.

And if, let's just say, I don't think she gave us an exact number, but let's just say she was doing an extra three classes a week, which I'm sure she was probably teaching or doing, which is three hours of cardio a week or more probably, and eating less calories. And like, so she looks better, she looks leaner, she looks like she's built her butt, she's added 500 calories, she's reduced three hours or more of cardio.

It's like everything you would want. Yeah, no, you're killing it. But you don't think about all those things. All you see is the incremental change in the growth. You're hyper-focused on this one thing, therefore ignoring all this incredible progress. All these other things that it's like, wow, actually when I think about it, I've gained three hours or more of my life back. I have way more energy and I'm sleeping better.

Like she commented. I'm stronger than I've ever been. And my butt is better. I just can't see it as well as other people who are on the outside looking in. Our next caller is Simon from Canada. What's up, Simon? Hey. What up, man?

How's the lumberjack business? It's stupid. Yeah, it's going okay. Right. Mine's going well, too. I think that's the first time I got that one. I'll give credit to y'all for that one. How can we help you, man? Okay.

Yeah, so here, let me just read what I got here. So I'm just gonna go with the script. So I've been recently getting into strongman competitions happening in Manitoba, Canada. So just kind of giving some background there. I'm 23 years old, six feet, 245 pounds. I've been using map strong to help me with training game or strength. But before that I finished maps all time. Absolutely loved it. With maps all time. So huge increase in shoulder strength. My log press increased from 180 and 180 pounds to 215 pounds. So crazy.

And then I've been following map strong to a T and I've been noticing some improvements, but it is way too much volume for me. I had taken, uh, just taking it down a notch because I've been too tired. I feel like I'm just overdoing it. Good for you. Yeah. Good for you. So, um, yeah, I've been taking, I've also been talking to, actually you guys mentioned it before. Uh, Christopher must, I'm going to screw up his last name, Ms. Narets. Okay. So I've been talking to him, uh, about kind of, uh,

cause he combined map strong and old time for his training and a major improvements from that and trying to see if I can do the same thing. Uh, I love maps all the time because of how well it worked for me and it's increased strength, but I also love Maps Strong because of how much the exercises relate to the strongman sport. I guess the first question is how much does Maps Old Time correlate with Strongman, with the strongman sport? Would Maps Old Time help me succeed in the strongman sport if I were to just also stick to Maps Old Time? Great question. I would love to see this tested out. Well, you know, so if you really look at Strongman

competitions and if you were to compare them to any other era in in strength sports or bodybuilding or whatever, it would definitely look like old time like old time competitions. They just add a lot more movement to it. Back Back in the day, that's what bodybuilding was. Like you get on stage and you would see who could lift the most overhead or who could pick up the heaviest barrel, who could run across the stage or whatever. So it's very similar.

And the reason why old time had so much carryover is you build incredible back strength, grip strength, overhead pressing strength, and you need a lot of that in strongman training. Now strongman training is more specific to strongman competition. So what I would say is follow each program as they're laid out but you did the right thing by noticing that strong because MapStrong does have a lot of volume. Those work sessions are crazy when it comes out when it comes to volume. So I would reduce the volume in strong and follow it as it's laid out.

And I'd start with about a third of the volume cut out is what I would do. Primarily probably those work sessions because that's where it gets really gnarly. But I love the idea of alternating those back and forth. Those are great. Those are great two programs to go. If that's your sport, that's the thing you're into to go back and forth between those two programs. I love that combo. Oh yeah yeah, it's going to reinforce and so we should put that as like a, I don't know why. That would be a great, I don't know. I wouldn't thought of that as a bundle. That's it. That would be a good bundle. Yep. Well, and it was a funny cause the last time I was, I was on here once before I mentioned, uh, like you mentioned dinosaur training and I was doing that and that works super well too.

It seems like any of the strength base three times a week really just carries over well for me and so when you guys made maps the whole time I freaked out the last time we were talking about it. And so it was awesome. No that's all you know that works for most people. That's why you see it working so well and most people need to understand that that that a good three day a week strength training program for about 85% of people is going to give them the best results. So now you're doing this to lead to a competition that you're going to, uh, sign up for? Yeah. So I've done one already, which was the log, just a log fundraiser

competition, which was pretty chill. And so now I have like a, a notice competition coming up. So kind of for beginners, but so no weight classes, which will be very interesting. But just to kind of get into the sport. And so, yeah, I'm just training for that one right now. Right on. Yeah. You're gonna have to let us know how you do. For sure. The only thing I would add Simon, uh, would be some kind of mobility work. Um,

even though max old time does a good job. Prime Pro would be good to have in your back pocket. Give them to them. And then another program to throw in, I'd say once a year, would be like a symmetry, map symmetry. Although Oldtime does a lot of unilateral stuff, symmetries can be pretty correctional for people.

Because you're young, you're a young guy, big strong guy, you got a lot of gains ahead of you So just two things just a couple things to consider Before things start to creep up because what you tend to see with young athletes is They get stronger get stronger get stronger and then they start to get injury injury injury, you know one after another So, you know Prime Pro would be something nice to have Things start to pop up then you just start to address them before they become major issues. Do you have Prime Pro already, Simon? No, I do not.

Have Doug send that over to you, bro. Sweet, thanks man. Yep. And also, sorry, just one question, kind of I guess related to it, but I guess a shorter one. So you guys, you're pretty, so it seems like you're pretty cool

with combining the two. The question is, how, I guess, is how would you do maps all the time strong to pick his pair of them? No you wouldn't do them together. I don't think I would do one after another but do map strong with about a third of the volume so take the sets down about a third is where I would start. Yeah don't put, yeah don't you I mean to try and blend those two programs would get really nuanced. To be honest with you I mean you probably could but Simon we to be just to be very very

honest we would have to sit down lay out both programs and take a lot of things into consideration. What I don't want to do is say, you know, switch out this workout for that workout. I have to look at them laid out and then look at your training to give you the best advice. But I do know that if you follow one after another with the reduced volume and strong, because you identified as too much volume, which actually is a lot of volume towards the end especially,

that that would be great. I also know too that either one of them is going to benefit you going into a strongman contest. And so I actually liked the idea of you running one of them leading up to it and seeing how you perform. And then the next time running a different one and seeing how you perform. And then you personally,

cause there's also the individual variants. There just might be some moves in old time that you really needed that you see this huge gain. like you said in the log press or something like it attacked something that you really were neglecting and maybe you don't need so much of that or vice versa, right? So I definitely think that each of them have their own benefits that are going to support your competition. I would recommend trying both and seeing which one you got the biggest bang for. Yeah, only reason, I mean, the strong, I just, I would like to see if this was the case,

but leading that into your competition because of it, it really ramps up, you know, volume and a bit more of the endurance and the durability with that. So like, you know, timing that in terms of like you working on your building your base strength with old time and then kind of like immediately following that up so it leads right up into competition would be ideal. Okay, sweet. All right, well I'll give that a shot then try maps all time and then map strong and see which one succeeds or let's see how it turns out I guess. You got it, man. Awesome. Thanks for calling in. And then, oh sorry, I just want to say quick thank yous if that's all. You got it, man. Awesome. Thanks for calling in. And then, oh, sorry. I just want to say quick thank you.

So that's all right. Oh yeah, please. Just, uh, just thanks. Just thank you guys for just talking exercise and training and just that's been helping me a lot in getting like just knowing stuff, even just within the two years I've got to known so much through you guys.

And even when you guys talk about like kind of kid stuff, when you talk about with your kids and like my wife And I are talking kids now So even you guys are setting a good example of what can you do to be a good parent? so that's always been good to listen to as well and Another one I'm actually Doug every time Doug talks about Japanese things I also really appreciate that because I live in Japan for 10 years in my life. 10 years of my life growing up as a kid.

So whenever he brings up stuff like, well, I think the last episode he brought up some, some sort of teriyaki or was it a, something Japanese or something like that. He brought it up and I was like, oh, that's nostalgic. So I appreciate those Japanese moments with Doug. Awesome, awesome. Well done, Simon.

Appreciate the compliment. Doug bowing to you. Arigato gozaimasu. Awesome. Awesome. Right on, Simon. Appreciate the compliment. Doug bowing to you. How do you guys have the time, man? Awesome. Thanks for calling in, man. All right. Take it easy, Simon. Yeah.

I see ya. You got it, bro. So, log competition. I feel like Justin would crush dropping logs. I do. See it all the time. Dropping logs, pressing logs, shooting logs, rolling logs.

World champion. It's a log. You know, shooting logs, rolling logs. World champion. You know, that, hey, old time, you know what's funny? I did not piece that together till right now. Of course it would be a great program for strongman competition. It's so ideal. Dude, it fills all the gaps. 100%.

That's why too, I think there's value in going through both and seeing which one you got the biggest bang for your buck for competition. Because the old timey does have a unique side of it with the windmills and movements and that. It addresses a lot of mobility issues and things too that you don't have to spend so much time going through all of our prime stuff.

I mean yeah, that's ideal if you have some kind of restriction or some kind of pain. But just to prevent it. But just to prevent it, yeah. that's ideal if you have like some kind of restriction or like some kind of pain. But just to prevent it. But just to prevent it. Yeah. But like this strengthens all of those. Totally. Look, if you love our show, we have a lose fat guide. It's free. mindpumpfree.com. Go check it out. You can also find all of us on social media. Justin is on Instagram, mind pump Justin. I'm on Instagram at mind pump DeStefano and Adam is on Instagram at mind pump Adam. Thank you for listening to mind pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health

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