Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2324: The Best Way to Come Off of a GLP-1, the Downside of Calculating Calorie Burn From Exercise, How to Stop Recurring Injuries & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: April 27, 2024

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Mind Pump Fit Tip: ADD, don’t subtract, to your diet to lose weight. (1:45) Once a child of God, always a child of God. (11:07) Cautioning the audience on the impact of GLP-1s. (17:00) If you want to sleep hard, take Lunar. (40:35) Daddy’s little girl. (42:20) Boys and digging holes. (45:05) When your card collection pays off. (47:36) Mind Pump Recommends, Joe Montana: Cool Under Pressure on Peacock. (52:39) Stay consistent with Entera for continued results. (54:24) Odd proposal locations and chasing virality. (56:31) Shout out to Mind Pump Live! (1:02:24) #ListenerLive question #1 - How should I approach diet and exercise when coming off GLP-1 agonists? (1:04:02) #ListenerLive question #2 - Should I be adding back the calories that I burn through exercise into my base calories? (1:24:40) #ListenerLive question #3 – How do you know if you have a healthy body type? (1:32:52) #ListenerLive question #4 - Being someone who has had years of imbalance on my right side compared to my left, is it a good plan to incorporate Symmetry between each new program? (1:43:25) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Visit Legion Athletics for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! ** Code MINDPUMP for 20% off your first order (new customers) and double rewards points for existing customers. ** Visit Entera Skincare for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! ** Promo code MPM at checkout for 10% off their order or 10% off their first month of a subscribe-and-save. ** April Promotion: MAPS Anywhere | MAPS HIIT 50% off! ** Code APRIL50 at checkout ** For a limited time only, Mind Pump listeners get a free LMNT Sample Pack with any purchase: Visit DrinkLMNT.com/MindPump Watch Joe Montana: Cool Under Pressure Streaming Online - Peacock See and hang out with Mind Pump, LIVE! Saturday, June 15 · 1pm PDT Bellagio Las Vegas. Click the link here for more details.  Visit Seed for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code 25MINDPUMP at checkout for 25% off your first month’s supply of Seed’s DS-01® Daily Synbiotic** Mind Pump #2160: Macro Counting Master Class Mind Pump #2300: Seven Habits Of Truly Healthy People Mind Pump #2180: Is Powerlifting Beneficial For Women? Mind Pump #2315: Five Signs You’re Doing The Wrong Workout Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Arthur Brooks (@arthurcbrooks)  Instagram Jordan B. Peterson (@JordanBPeterson) Twitter Mark Bell (@marksmellybell) Instagram Dr. William Seeds (@williamseedsmd) Instagram

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it makes a lot of sense. If you add the right things, there's downstream effects in terms of weight loss, in terms of improving your health. We're gonna talk about that in a little bit in today's episode. But psychologically speaking, adding things does not feel the same. It doesn't feel restrictive. So let's talk a little bit about how to add things

to make you lose weight, specifically. I wish that I had figured this out earlier in my career. And it took me 10 years. Yeah. And even when, even when I piece together, this was not something that I learned somewhere, like I didn't go somewhere and, and take a cert or have a mentor who's like, this is the way to do this. Nobody, I just started to piece it together because after looking at all these diets,

I found my clients like almost always were under consuming protein. And I knew how essential protein was to build muscle and to speeding up the metabolism. And I remember just deciding that, and this is again, after failing so many people who were trying to lose weight, like, you know what? I'm going to, this client, I'm going to, I'm going to focus on building muscles since I know how important and valuable that is instead of just this formula of how we're taught to just cut calories, move more, cut calories, move more. And I remember flipping it on its head

and having so much success and then starting to do that again and again. And then I started to notice these other things. I didn't understand the psychological part until after the effect. The original thing was. Then you went back and you're like, oh, this is what I just saw was deficient, right? Yeah.

Like, oh, we got to get this in there. Yeah. I wish I could say I was that brilliant that I knew all the psychological benefits of it and all these other things, downstream positive things that would happen, but it wasn't that. It was literally like, everybody doesn't get enough protein. I know how important that is, building metabolism. Okay, forget dieting right now. I'm just going to tell this person, go get their protein. We're going to worry about their stuff later. And then it was all the other stuff that I started metabolism, okay, forget dieting right now. I'm just gonna tell this person, go get their protein, we're gonna worry about their stuff later. And then it was all the other stuff that I started to realize, like, oh shit,

when I just focus on that, it tends to kinda get rid of some of those other things that I don't even have to tell them not to do, and they don't even realize it. So you sort of see the psychological benefits. And then also, you're now feeding their body with their needs, and so the workout started to get better. The results started coming on faster.

They were getting stronger. It was like, it was crazy. But I mean, so I'm experiencing this right now with Chad, you know, Chad, and he's like, hey, help me with my diet a little bit. So I said, all right, let's start with this. He's like, what do I cut out? Do I cut this out?

Do I cut that out? I said, no, no, I don't want you to cut anything out. I said, what's your target body weight? I want you to hit that in grams of protein from real food, not shakes, and eat it first. And he goes, what? He's like, so just hit the protein. So I explained a little bit to him, which I'll get into in here a second, but he's like, all right, I'll give it a shot. Of course, two days later he sends me a text. He's like, bro, he goes, it's really hard. And he goes, when I do it, I don't really

want to eat a lot of other things. I said, well, that's the point. Protein really produces satiety. Okay. This is data backs this up a hundred percent. If you eat a high protein diet, you are far less likely to eat too many calories. Then number two, when the diets are controlled, a diet that's high in protein versus a diet that's not high in protein, even the same caloric intake, they lose more body fat and build more muscle than the group that doesn't have as much protein.

So it also works in that sense. But then psychologically, when someone tells you you can't do something, you know, that kind of triggers something in most people. Versus, especially when you're trying to lose weight. Right, trying to lose weight, like, I know I need to cut things out, I know I need to stop doing certain things.

And then someone comes along and says, you know what, don't worry about that. In fact, I want you to eat more of this one thing and just do it first, then don't worry about the rest. If you want to eat more, you can. It's like, it feels freeing. It feels like I'm not restricted. Like you don't have to fight against it.

Yeah, but the result is you end up eating less calories because protein is so satiety producing. And most people, if you try this, you try to hit your target body weight in grams of protein, and you do it consistently, and you do it from food, and you really do it, 80 to 90% of people will come back and say, this is hard. I feel like I'm stuffing myself. I can't eat this much. It feels like I'm eating too much. In reality, eating less calories. Well, just from another angle, and I know protein is definitely one that I'll focus on first

because of that simple fact alone too. Most people are deficient in that, and then it's very satiety driven. I had a client that we just, because there was zero emphasis on vegetables at all, it's like no vegetables in their diet, their fiber intake was like nil. It was like nothing. That's another one. Right? So it was like just focusing on, okay, I just want you to eat a cruciferous festival. Let's just focus on broccoli. Like that's it. And it's like, had all this like sort of, I don't know, I could see if I could just eat like, you know, one Bush hole day or whatever. And so they just slowly started doing that and just, that's fine. Just

consistently. And then over time it became, so you have to go through a little bit of that gastrointestinal distress because it'll be a little bit of the gas and all that kind of stuff. And he was kind of complaining about that. But then in a very short amount of time, started to crave it. And then started to crave it, just naturally started to bring more and introduce more into there, which substituted other processed food he was eating before that. It had its own effect, beneficial effect, by just adding that one thing in.

That's normally number two for me. Almost always. Almost always, I go protein first, because everybody's missing, and then two, I would add like, and I would start. Hit your fiber targets. Yep, and I would even keep it simpler for them. Like I'm obviously, I know how much fiber

is in the X amount of bowls of broccoli, whatever, I would just be like, hey, I want two bowls of your favorite green vegetable. And I give them like this, this, this, and this. Here's all your options. And just all I want you to do is make sure you get that with your meals and you keep hitting your protein target. It's like, and it's so wild how,

because that is so difficult if they're just kind of focused on that, how everything else just kind of starts to fall into place. It's so trippy. And how many people too think that they eat a lot of protein and they don't realize it until they actually start tracking and going after it that they're under eating it.

No, no, no, it's, by the way, the data shows when it comes to satiety, right? To crushing your appetite, it goes protein first, fiber second, fat third, carbohydrates fourth. Fiber is right up there. So that's why you found that. You bump your protein and fiber, you just end up wanting to eat less. And like what you said, you know, again, Chad sends me a picture of his breakfast. He

goes, Oh, this is good, right? It's enough protein. And I looked at it and I'm like, bro, we're aiming for 200 grams of protein. That's 35 grams. You're already behind the eight ball. Unless you plan on eating five meals today, you're going to have to make up for it. And I'm like, bro, we're aiming for 200 grams of protein, that's 35 grams. You're already behind the eight ball. Unless you plan on eating five meals today, you're going to have to make up for it. And he's like, oh crap. Of course, you know, later, you know, text me back.

He's like, bro, this is actually like, I don't want to eat a lot now because of him. Like that's the point versus trying to cut things out, which, you know, psychologically is different and number two, you don't get the benefits in terms of the muscle sparing effects of protein. And we know this, we know that eating a high protein diet leads to more muscle and that'll contribute

to getting leaner as well and feeling better. We can't discount or minimize the psychological part as if it's just one of the benefits. That's the most important. Exactly, it's like as I got more experience as a coach and trainer, the more I realized, in fact I know on the podcast just recently I said that it almost became so important

that the Xs and Os, all the other stuff was, I didn't have to worry about, all I had to do was worry about the psychological part and then I could figure everything else out. And so this is a big part of that equation is getting them to do that, the psychological benefits of that is unbelievable and arguably the most important part.

So it's the easiest thing to I think help 90% of the people get out of the key with this is because some people hear this and they go oh well I'm gonna add protein shakes to everything proteins don't Protein shakes don't produce the same satiety effects as eating whole natural foods. So whole natural foods, they're going to give you much more the satiety effects of the protein shakes. Protein shakes, they're already pre-digested. They don't, you don't have to chew them, you don't have to, you know, produce those same enzymes.

They're typically, obviously, the processed or hyper palatable. Protein shakes are beneficial at the end of the day if you always consistently miss or you have a challenge or if you're Trying to bulk that's when it becomes much more much more valuable But in terms of what we're saying go whole natural food So this is how I would I would position it because what I found with that was More than half of the people really struggled to do it without and so I would say okay We can use the protein shakes and we're good

But then I want the way you to think, or way to think about this is like, this is just a step in the right direction, or this is just a step to getting to your goal. And our first goal, before we get to your weight loss goal, before we get to all these other goals that we wanna do, is to hit that protein in Whole Foods. So go ahead and use the shaker bars for now, just so you hit it, because I'd rather you hit it

than not hit it, and just because I tell you, I'd rather get from Whole Foods. But then don't even, when you score yourself in your head, like hey, how was today's eating? That's just because you hit your protein take, it's not a perfect day still. It's not until we can get to this in Whole Foods. That way they have this like, they know that it's okay,

that it's a tool, that it's something we can use, but the ultimate goal is to be able to trick. You're working towards that. Yeah, we're working towards that. The goal is to get to this place where you're eating it all through Whole Foods. Totally. Speaking of Chad, by the way, so he's a pastor,

and I hired him as a Christian coach. And it's had some really profound effects in a very short period of time on my life. Super, super profound. I'm not going to get into it, but just pretty insane. And I was thinking a lot this morning, meditating, praying, whatever, and you popped it in my head, Adam. I was gonna ask you a question because I thought about you

and I know when you were a kid, or in high school I think it was, at one point you almost, you wanted to pursue becoming a pastor at one point. So my family really wanted that. My parents, I wouldn't say that I ever did. I think that I've always been pulled into being closer to God or being interested in that and learning. And I have always had the personality of being social and comfortable in an environment.

So they're like, this is for you. Yes. So it was more like that. And it would actually be interesting since you're meeting with Chad, talking to Chad, it'd be interesting to hear, I don't know what my parents ever communicated to him. Maybe they told him. Well, so here's my thought,

because I'm thinking about this, and I know how you grew up. You had a really rough childhood. And for all intents and purposes, statistically speaking, you're completely an outlier for where you should be. For anybody who listens to the show,

Adam, 90% of the people or more who grew up like you did would not end up where you're at. They would end up in a terrible place. And so I thought, I wonder how much, where do you think you would be if you didn't have, if that wasn't a part of your life at that, because that's one thing that was a part of your life.

Do you think that that kept you? That was the most important thing. When I look back and I say, because I went through a phase with my parents of having a lot of, and I've shared this before, I had a lot of animosity in my teens and early 20s towards my parents, just about how they raised us, the hypocrisy,

the shit that we did, went through blah, blah, blah, blah. But when I look back now as an older adult, one of the things that my mom did really well was from a very young age, we were. We were in church and we were learning and we were reading and- You think that saved your, kept you that savior like you're like kept you Because you know, it's so funny is like, you know, it's because I mean literally bro

I mean when I hear stories and you tell you tell it nonchalant you talk about likes no big deal Holy shit, dude, a lot of people I don't know very many people out of turned out. Okay, you know, I think that And this is again why I feel so strongly about um, you know how raising a kid now I feel so strongly about raising a kid now, why the, what Arthur Brooks said about church, what Jordan Peterson said about church, how much that's kind of weighed on my heart now is, because I think so much is happening subconsciously and you don't even realize as a child, you're just, just like you can get indoctrinated into bad things or pick up bad behaviors from parents. What I was,

was I had leaders like Chad, I had leaders like the pastor and the youth leaders and stuff that were around me that were preaching. Even though I had this hypocrisy at home and all this turmoil and all this drama, I did have these safe places that I was on a weekly basis consistently in and hearing. And I think that messaging just sunk in. I think that messaging of what was the truth, what was right, what was good. So I think it laid a very good moral foundation. And as I got older, even though I kind of went away from like going to church or carrying with those teachings, I think that foundation was built. And so that even when I was out on my own in the world and I was, I had, and by the way-

You still were tethered. There was still a lot. That's right. I was still tethered to him, like it says, right? Once a child of God, always a child of God. So I had that, I think, tethered to him. It's a good way to say it. And you know, if, and what I got is that, I tell you what, what brought me back as I got older And what I got is that, I tell you what, what brought me back as I got older was just reflecting on my life and realizing that, how crazy is it? All the bad ups and downs that we all have in life,

I could literally connect them to going away from what I was taught. And all the things that unfolded the right way, and unfolded the right way doesn't always mean like, I win or I get something, but that served my life for the better being a better person and was when I make those right choices. Wow. So and as I got older I think that was the appreciation that I started to have for like hey you know what like I know I give my mom and stuff a really hard time about everything that

we went through but she's definitely responsible for, you know, keeping me in front of that stuff and listening and hearing that stuff and digesting it because it was, it was, it's always been there. And so I think that as you get older and a little bit wiser and more experience, if you grew up in something like that, you tend to be, you can draw back and I can, you know, every, when we, I'd hear things. And you hear this a lot, and I know you definitely have to be experiencing this because of your journey right now. We all have great philosophers or people that we read or books that were impactful and stuff like that. And what's even wilder to me is that I can draw those all the way back to biblical stuff. Yeah. is that I can draw those all the way back to biblical stuff. So some of the greatest works

and authors and things that we read today, you're like, oh man, that was a brilliant book, or that was just a brilliant philosopher. And if you go back there, that lesson's there. Yeah, it's true. So that's been wild as I've gotten older and kind of went away from, you know, always reading my Bible and going and reading other works, as I started to make that connection of like, oh, this is, this guy is incredible, or this author is awesome. But this same exact lesson actually was given to me through this passage or what that so that's, that's been a trip. Yeah, really crazy, which brings us to another conversation because really this weekend, I've been diving deep into the whole

GLP-1 agonist kind of world. And mainly because, you know, we're seeing what's happening. We're seeing what's happening with mainstream. I'm looking at the data and this weekend I went deep in the data and we've never seen anything like this. Like there's never been a non-surgical medical intervention that's produced in terms of just weight loss anything like this. There's never been a non-surgical medical intervention

that's produced in terms of just weight loss, results like this. I'm looking at this and I'm really trying to reflect like, okay, when have we seen stuff like this before? What has happened as a result? Are there unintended consequences? Should we be cautious? My wife now, she tried out one of the GLP ones, didn't like it, made her feel nauseous type of deal, so she had some input and we were talking and I was thinking really, really deeply about this. And I thought back to the other medical interventions or other medical interventions that changed like the course of, of culture.

Okay. Cause I think that GLP ones present, uh, present this potential they could literally, literally from a weight loss perspective only, and we're going to Okay, because I think that JLP ones present present this potential they could literally literally From a weight loss perspective only and we're gonna get into this a little more. So don't just get excited here but if you look at the trajectory of You know obesity, right just obesity and you look at the impact that JLP wins have in the data in terms of weight loss They this is the one thing that literally could reverse that trajectory. I've never seen anything like this in that sense, aside from doing it the right way, eating right,

exercise, whatever, but we know how challenging that is for people. So I'm like, holy shit, this is going to impact us in such a massive way. And I look back and I thought, what other medical interventions have we created that have done that? And I think of opiates, antibiotics, that have done that. And I think of opiates, antibiotics, I think of, you know, birth control. And they did have some tremendous positives, like painkillers, like didn't even come close to opiates until, and there's tremendous benefit. You get a lot of pain, opiates are gonna save you or help you. Antibiotics, obviously you get an infection, antibiotics save your life. Birth control obviously changed a lot of things. Did we overprescribe them and were there unintended consequences, potential negatives? Well, yeah,

opiates. We have an opiate addiction epidemic. Antibiotics, we're now in a situation where scientists are like, we're going gonna create bacteria that are so resistant to antibiotics that they're gonna, we're gonna go back to medieval times with the plague. We gotta be very careful. And we just over-prescribed the shit on for a while. So I'm looking at these and going, okay, we need to take a step back and be very careful.

And one of the first places, so why I'm saying this, is I come in here and I'm like, I gotta tell the guys we need to really be cautious. I didn't realize you guys already had a conversation about this, which is so cool. I'm so good to all be, we're always aligned with that kind of stuff. Um, but you know, where my mind goes with this

is, uh, the data shows weight loss, but it shows muscle loss because that's what happens when you just stop eating or eat less. That's just what happens. Your body tries to slow your metabolism down to meet the new caloric intake. And I thought, well, how many of these people on GOP ones are going to try to eat more protein or going to go

actually do real strength training to offset the negative? Probably not a lot. Probably not a lot. Probably not a lot. How many health issues are a result of obesity and how many health issues are a result of not enough muscle? The truth is we do have an obesity epidemic, but we also have a frailty epidemic.

People are, strength, muscle mass, mobility has gone down for a long time. People are just not strong. This is causing problems as well. A sizable minority of people have heart disease and diabetes who are not overweight. They're just metabolically unhealthy. And so are we really going to solve this problem

or are we going to over prescribe to be abused? We're definitely not gonna solve this problem. I mean, I don't know, I just, historically, we never solve any problem. We really don't. We find better answers, better solutions. We have lots of good ideas. We do save a lot of lives with Western medicine

and things like that. But there seems to always be the abuse, the overprescribes, there's gonna be that. There's no doubt in my mind. We're just not using them right. Yeah, oh yeah, well that's, I mean, and we're gonna be going to- One benefit I see is it'll reduce plane tickets.

Yep. Shrink them back. Dude. You know, this was really my motivation, right? Obviously, I mean, I hope, I mean, I know I got fat cheeks, but I didn't need to lose that much. I didn't need to lose that much weight, right? Like that wasn't like, but I really, I was so-

You wanted to be able to communicate, right? Yeah, I was, I was so, you want to be able to communicate, right? Yeah. I was so intrigued by, by this. And I feel like, um, I know, I mean, you've probably already done a deeper dive than I did, but I, I started to have so many people that was connected to me that were curious about this. And, and everywhere that I read, I felt like I could, I could get something, uh, that made me feel really strongly about one side or the other. You know, you can find some stuff that will just scare the shit out of you and make you go like, this is gonna be terrible. And then you can see the other side, it's like, oh my God,

it's the best thing that we've ever had. Which I mean, okay, I think that's a sign, the biggest sign that I took away from that was it's not going anywhere. It's not that it's the best thing ever or that it's the worst thing ever. It's just not any good protocol. Like deal with Jason to it. Yes, it's not going anywhere. Not that it's the best thing ever or that it's the worst thing ever. It's just not any good product. Like deal with it. That all adjacent to it. Yes, that it's coming. And our job is, you know, what we do is like,

okay, it's not going anywhere, so let's see if we can help people do this the right way and steer people away who don't need to be using these. The biggest questions I'm getting are the, my DMs is nothing but this now. That's what everybody's communicating with me and wanting to know about. The one that throws everybody a loop for is this,

me not caring about losing muscle or me not really actively trying to preserve it. And I'm like, the reason for that is I just, I really want to try and experience it like the average person. And I don't wanna try to be a bodybuilder into this. Yeah, like how many people do you know who have your ability to force feed themselves protein,

who understand how strength training properly and do it consistently, who are also gonna take a GOP-1 because they're obese? Because then I feel like my opinion is worthless. Right. It really is. Basically, here's what Adam can do to the best of his ability.

So to me, I think where my opinion on this will carry some weight is if I just kind of let it take its course and train when I feel like I can and feel like it's something that I'm willing to go do. I'll tell you, the thing that's the most challenging right now and still is, is working out. So there's this big, and I know you've talked about this, like, well, you know, it's going to be so important that people train and lift weights to, to mitigate the, the fat or I mean the muscle loss. But one of the hardest things to do when you're this low energy is to get

motivated to lift weights. And then even when you go lift, go to lift weights, you, uh, you can't, I can't finish a full hour workout. So I'm having to do these kind of micro type workouts, reduce intensity, reduce volume. And so, man, I can't help, but as I'm going through this, going like, dude, the average person is not gonna know how to do this.

The average person is gonna be like, okay, I'm here at the gym, I gotta get that workout. Then they're gonna probably push too hard, over train, make themselves throw up. And they'll see the scale go down and be like, cool, this is working, I'll just be doing this. Yeah, and so they're gonna probably push too hard, overtrain, make themselves throw up. And then they'll see the scale go down and be like, cool, this is working, I'll just be doing this. Yeah, and so they're gonna, so there's, and then I also know too, I've been reading like,

there's hyper responders, there's non-responders, and then there's people that are responding great, and then there's people that are having adverse effects. So we've got a whole bunch of categories here. It's not like everybody takes it, it's all awesome. Not everybody takes it. It's all terrible. It's not everybody's getting an addictive process of like, I'm shrinking, I'm shrinking. I get to the point now where I'm smaller, but my body fat percentage went up and also to a more frail, you know,

like maybe now like my bones aren't as dense as they should be. Like there's a lot of these issues. You're hitting some points there that are important. If you look at the data on osteopenia and osteoporosis over the last 30 years, it has gone up in all categories, not just old people, but people in their forties and fifties, and these are obese people. So what you're going to do is you're going to just eat less. Is that really going to make you healthier?

Yes. Not the full picture. Maybe not. So we need to be very careful. And then the pharma industry is like this, cause here's what's going to happen you healthier? Yes, not the full picture. Maybe not. So we need to be very careful. And then the pharma industry is like this because here's what's going to happen. Already what's happening. Pharma industry, it's a market. So they see where the money's going and they're like, oh shit, this makes people lose weight.

So what's happening is you have now R&D is getting dumped. Just like I said with opiates, like the first opiate gets invented and then you got this whole class of opiates or like the first opiate gets invented and then you got this whole class of opiates or antibiotics or antidepressants. When they see money, you are gonna see incredible representation among the pharmaceutical industry with products, peptides or even pharmaceuticals

that act on these receptors because they've found now a hot button. Like this makes people lose weight. My prediction, okay, to your point right now, that what we're going to see is you know how loose, how remember, you guys remember the marijuana wave when the doctors started coming out to prescribe you, and like you could like say anything, right?

Oh, I have knee pain. Clock Homo's a big one. I think that the ability to get a doctor to prescribe you this is gonna be anybody, I know right now, like anybody can go order it, but I'm saying from a prescription standpoint, so insurance will cover it. I think it's gonna get insured, and I think it's gonna be easy for doctors to prescribe it because of all the

positive things that they're reading from it, and it's gonna go crazy. And with that, you're gonna see all the things that you're concerned about. We're gonna see a lot, just like something like. Because this can be mainstream and there's no, you know. And everybody is gonna take it and you're gonna see it. And how many people have a healthy enough body image

to lose weight, feel worse, and identify that, right? Here's what's gonna happen to a lot of people. They're going to lose weight. They're going to ignore the fact that their hair's falling out. They feel like shit. They're tired. Can't work out.

They're happy. I've seen this a billion times. Well, not a billion times, but obviously so many times with clients that I worked with that I can't imagine the average person who doesn't have, because doctors have their strengths and weaknesses. And one of the weaknesses is doctors are not coaches. Your doctor sees you and then they don't see you anymore.

And then you're on your own. Then you come back and you revisit and they say, okay, how are you? Oh, I lost 30 pounds, great job. They're not with you every single day, monitoring, coaching and saying, this is probably not a good thing. And the medical industry doesn't do a good job of saying no

until she gets so out of hand. So like now you go get a prescription for an opiate and they're a little bit more careful. Or an antibiotic. Now they're like, wait a minute, maybe you don't have a fever. Yeah, dude. Or stimulants like Adderall. I mean, I predict you're right on that.

I think that we're gonna see that exactly like that. Which is, I've said it always on the show, like the pendulum swings so hard one way and then it kind of gets correct the other way. I'm so, so originally I said I'm gonna go 12 weeks here and I might go back on what I'm saying just because I'm getting so lean that it's like, well, is it really necessary for me

to keep going all the way for 12 weeks? I mean, how hard is it for you to hit protein and calories if you really tried? If I really tried, right? Would it feel like forcing yourself? Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, definitely, definitely. Definitely, definitely, definitely. So, I mean, to me, that's almost inevitable

if you're gonna do this. Like what previously- You're going to lose muscle. That's what I'm saying. You're not preserving muscle. Yeah, what previously overweight person is gonna feel comfortable force feeding themselves? Right, yeah, they're not going to. But here's where I'm heading with this, right?

So now that I'm like going on week seven of being in this, I feel like I have a really good grasp of what the beginning looks like, what it feels like when your body kind of acclimates, what does it look like to try and work out. Like I have, now the thing I'm most curious about is coming off, is what does it look like when I taper down the dosage or come off completely and when I start to get those cravings or I start to desire for food again. And also because I've had this, I have maybe these new behaviors around food,

did it permanently positively affect some things? Like do I permanently, like I've, I have maybe these new behaviors around food. Did it, did it permanently, positively affect some things? Like, do I permanently, like I've told you guys, one of the things that I was trying to work on was like, man, I have really trained myself to like eat these massive portion sizes. Will I, will I, will I even when the, the appetite comes back, will I be more disciplined about eating four tacos instead of 10 tacos? Will I just get a, you know, single burger when I have a burger? Will I just get regular meat instead of double, triple meat all the time? So I'm really curious to see those types of things.

And then also, because I've been so low energy with my workouts, do I get this surge of energy because I've refilled my body? And then my workouts are great and the intensity and volume starts to go up. And then any of those additional calories just go right back to building muscle. And so I've got this really just go right back to building muscle. And so I've got this really lean base and I pack on muscle.

Like, so I'm so curious, like what's that going to look like? And again, I'm trying to do it without being super, you know. So here's a prediction for me, because obviously if you're going to go on these, I think you should qualify. I think this should be a last resort type of deal. I've tried this before. I have a lot of weight to lose and I'm going to work with a coach who's going to help me with strength training and I'm going

to hit these protein targets. That's what I think should happen. But what I think is probably going to happen with the pharma industry is you're going to see this start to really spread broad prescriptions across the board. And then they're going to, the pharma industry is going to come up with, this is what they always do, drugs to offset muscle loss. So what you're going to see is an increase in the production of SARMs, maybe testosterone, maybe growth hormone, more drugs to offset the negatives of this drug. Now, why am I saying this? This is what they do. This is historically what they do. Take this antidepressant. Oh, you get this problem.

We made a drug to fix that problem. I 100% agree. So it's gonna end up being a slew of. I think it's important the audience knows this too. I said it but I think they need a real, so part of why I think I've had such positive results aside from some of the side effects of being, from an aesthetic point is because I'm on growth hormone

and testosterone. And you're also. So I've just. You're also a bodybuilder. I had a lot of muscle already. I'm taking things that are muscle preserving. And so I am just leaning out and I'm still maintaining. Now I've lost, I know I've lost muscle, but I'm still, but I look fit. Like, I mean, if I took my shirt off, I look like so, even though I'm hardly

working out, I still look like someone who's worked out because I've chiseled down. And if I wasn't taking that, it'd be really interesting to see what would be happening to my cause I've actually really plateaued. I dropped 20 pounds and I've been stuck there. Like it's your metabolism adjusted. Yes. I'm like, I'm literally, and I'm not eating anymore. I'm not eating any less. If anything, I'm probably eating a little tiny bit more. Cause I feel like as like as I've gone through this and I didn't, by the way, I didn't go up in the dose. Like they want you to do it.

Right. I mean, I was going to say, isn't that like the protocol then? Would they just like up your dose to keep you through the box? Exactly. And I get why they do that because I can feel the body adapting to the dosage. And remember how I told you like day six, I start to actually have a little bit of like an appetite. I kind of feel it a little bit on day five now. So a little bit sooner, I like it crushes the appetite on the first three to four days.

Well, even up to the fifth day until recently, I started to notice that, which has actually been positive for me because it's like, oh, at least I'm getting now two days out of the week now, I feel like I'm eating a decent amount of calories, right? Where I'm probably hitting my protein intake. and those are also the days it's easier for me to get a good workout in.

And so that's kind of really working to my fare. So one of the things my critiques from my perspective is the over prescribing dosages. And there's a lot of doctors that are playing with this. I just sent a clip to you to a podcast interview of a doctor that's prescribing this and I talked to another doctor who's prescribing. They're going lower. Yeah, they're going lower than what they're recommending. They're just going much lower, microdosing or keeping the patients at a lower. And I do think that like that experience that Jessica had, I felt that way too. Like the fact that she compared it to first trimester of pregnancy,

when Katrina would describe to me how she feels about food and how she, that's how I felt. It's like this kind of borderline nauseous a little bit and just food just isn't, that's kind of how I felt. It took about a week for that to kind of get better, but it's, it's still not great. Like food is just, I'm not, for seven weeks now, I have not had a meal. And Katrina talks about this as really funny because she loves to watch the way I eat because she says that I just look like I'm just having the time of my life.

She says, when you eat, especially when you eat things like ice cream, she's just like, I'll just watch you. And you don't even know I'm watching you because you're just like, the faces that you make when you eat. I'm totally oblivious of it, right? She's probably getting turned on. But she's like, I didn't realize that I haven't seen that.

She hasn't seen that for like seven weeks. You just don't even look like you. So that's another thing like, food, and we've said this before, GLP-1s, food, entire cultures have been created or built around different foods. Like if I say Italian food, you think of, you know what that looks like, right?

Say French food, Chinese food, you know what that looks like, right? Say French food, Chinese food, like you know what that is. Celebrations, you know, morning, connecting, meetings, typically done around food. This has been done for all of recorded human history. Part of that is the pleasure that we get from food and connecting with people. If you take that away, I don't know, I don't know what the answer is,

but it's gotta have some other unintended consequences. Like, once you separate pleasure from food, what does that look like? I actually think, Sal, though, as much as I don't like that, going through that process, I think for a lot of people, that's actually a better thing because I think a lot of people have become addicted to that and have abused that.

I used you right in the process. So I think kind of like, part of that, I think kind of cutting that off has made you right. And I even myself, I realized like, oh wow, boy, how much of my eating behaviors are this driven on this hedonistic, oh, I wanted to taste so. See the company's preying off that. Yes. And engineering things to really pull you in a different direction because of that fact that it's like it is a enjoyable pleasurable experience

You know to step away from that for a bit I think is beneficial but also to you know, you don't want to completely remove that. That's how I feel I feel like Obviously if it comes back, right? If it was eliminating me forever that would really suck into your point like that I mean that like imagine right now if the whole world were hyper responders and they were all in jail people Let's just say the modern world right? responders and they were all in GLP ones Let's just say the modern world right so now nobody really enjoys eating food that much not that big of a deal Think about cultures around food and markets around food and connecting with food now think you know two three generations down

Does that mean we start moving more towards processed food? Because now we don't care as much like here's my meal cube. That's got the calories Here's my like like in those those fake sci-fi movies where they're like nobody eats food. They just take a pill Dehydrated yeah pill is it gonna look like that we're all of a sudden ears ears So here's the here's the devil's advocate with that writer I don't know is you're like, you know, just going back and forth with you done this so that I disagree No, it's good is that? I almost feel like it's it's leveling the playing field against the people, the scientists that

are making it super hypercova. I bet you the way I, and I want to make it clear too, like food isn't terrible. Like, I mean, and what did I do yesterday? I took my mother-in-law and my wife and my son to one of my favorite places to go eat and it was incredible. And I had very much so that it was, but it wasn't just about the food, it was actually more about having great conversation and enjoying the view and my son and my mom. Like, I mean, I don't think it's taking from that at all. In fact, what it actually has done is that the food is less important. It's part of the process of community and sharing and doing stuff like that. But I don't, I'm not like in my plate like this. I'm just like in...

Well, so here's another thing too, because I don't know, right? I'm just thinking like I'm trying to really expand my head and I'm just throwing things out there. Here's another one. We've seen the data on gastric bypass, which is a medical, this is a surgical medical intervention. It's very effective for weight loss. A high percentage of people, by the way, they have to go through a crazy screening process for one, and this is one of the reasons why.

People get gastric bypass, they have a spike in abuse of other substances or other behaviors because they're searching for, is it going to cause that? Could it potentially? I know that there's some casual, maybe not data, but kind of murmurings about, it reduces hedonistic drive generally, but we don't know, the verdict's not out yet on that. So what if it cuts that out, you got all these people eating less, and they turn to other ways of-

So that, from my experience, right, again, I'm only telling from what I've experienced, it's the opposite of that. So that, which is also what I think is interesting, because I thought that might happen, right? Because I'm not getting any pleasure here Do I need to seek in other places if anything? It's across the board if anything It's just you just you don't have that crazy hedonistic drive for things and I don't feel like I'm missing out

I only feel like I'm missing out because I know what it's like to eat crushed tentacles because I'm starving for dinner and Katrina Finally made it. I'm like, oh But when I really think about those behaviors, it's like I shovel the first four in my face. I'm starving for dinner and Katrina finally made it. And I'm like, oh, but when I really think about those behaviors, it's like, I shovel the first four in my face. I'm not enjoying each bite. I'm not like being patiently eating. I'm so, I was so hungry. Cause I'd eaten so long. I'm depressed. Do you, have you noticed any changes in your, in any other high highs that you

would get from other things or like, is it everything down? Um, no, no. Okay. I, in fact, the conversation I had last night with Katrina was I literally just said, man, if I could, if I were to draw up what my life looked like when I got older and retirement, I said the last four days together

was the most amazing four days. Okay, good. So I'm having moments like that where I'm just like, man, we did this with family, and then we were with my family, then your family, then we did this with the car show, and then you and I got to have a night alone, and then we were with my family, then your family, then we did this with the car show. And then you and I got to have a night alone. And then we had it like, I, and so I'm very,

everything else is incredible. Like there's a lot of positive stuff. The biggest negatives to me. Um, and again, how much of that is because I've all, I love the hard workouts and lots of like my workouts look really different. They look like not a guy who's trying to be super strong, like a guy who's just kind of trying to maintain his muscle mass. Like, yeah, like get a couple of pull-ups in, you know what I'm saying?

I'm not getting a pump. I'm not like into the workout. It's like, Hey, I need to touch some weights this week, or I know for sure I'm going to lose some muscle. And so I do the bare minimum that I need to do just to do that. And it's, I'm not getting into my workout. So my workout relationship is radically changed, uh, on, on how, and I really have to pay attention to how I feel and I'm feeling, oh, also, I know today isn't a, a, uh, element commercial or element T, but that has become mandatory.

I'm so low on calorie. One of the things I did. I noticed that if I miss that, that actually has one of the most dramatic effects on my energy filling. And so I have been able. That's like when you fast, same thing. I know, and I should know, I know better.

Like I know that. And so I started taking it right away, but I've had days where I've been inconsistent and I've been able to connect the dots of like, oh shit. Yeah, cause food is down, so sodium. Carbs are down, water's out of your body. Yeah, and even more dramatic because the only foods I'm eating are mostly really healthy foods, so it's really tough to hit that sodium intake. Speaking of partners, every once in a while we work with a partner who has a product that's so

effective that you have to tell your family or friends like, this is gonna knock you out or whatever. So Lunar is the product I'm talking about. Oh bro. I love, I love. That is an occasional product for us because it's so effective. It's pretty powerful, yeah. Yeah, you take the four tablets it recommends,

you're going to sleep, dude. Yeah. You're out. Yeah. You are going night-night. All I need is two, yeah. Are you going down to two? Yeah, I went down to two. That's Jessica too. Yeah. She uses two. That way I'm not like as, because you going down? Yeah, that's Jessica Yeah, she uses to that way

I'm not like as great because you can be groggy a bit in the morning You know, it's funny too about it and you pointed this out. I did not think about this at all I would at all that I think about this. He you know, Mike made it Chewable tablets and I remember we first saw him like stupid just make it pills And you made a point I thought was brilliant You don't want to drink water dude an hour before bed cuz then you got to wake up and eat chewable tablets. And you made a point I thought was brilliant. You don't wanna drink water an hour before bed because then you gotta wake up and pee, chewable tablets requires no water.

I didn't even think you were smart. I didn't even think of that. That's why it's become, I've never been really consistent. The only other one I would use is our Ned droppers back when we were doing that because it doesn't require water either. But I've never been really consistent with any supplement aids because of the fluids.

Because it's already a struggle with me to not drink that much water. So having to take a pill and wash it down, you have to drink a decent amount of water. I can't just throw four pills in my mouth and just a little sip. I gotta drink so it feels like it goes all the way down. So it makes me pee more.

So having the chewable tablets, man, I used it last night, I use that. That's become a very consistent product that I, I wouldn't say very consistent where I'm every night, but it's my go-to. If I know I'm gonna have a hard time sleeping or we've been going all day or I need to get to sleep, that's been my little hack of using Lennar for sure.

Dude, I gotta tell you guys, my one and a half year old, my little daughter, I'm very involved with my little kids in comparison to how I was with my older ones when they were little. I just worked too much, I just wasn't around. So I'm very involved. And I always wanted, I don't know, in my head, I always wanted daddy's little girl.

I always wanted a little girl, my little daughter, to be stuck to dad or whatever. It's working, it's happening, it's happening. I was playing with her this weekend, and she's just holding my face, and she's's kissing me and she's playing with my ears and I'm sending videos to Jessica and Jessica's like, she doesn't do that with me. I'm like, what? Really? Hell yeah. She's just working, dude. So Jessica's still number one. So she's still, you know, loves mom more, but I think I might edge her out soon. So we'll see what happens. I wanna be the one. I mean, it's very possible.

I think that it's like with Max, you know, there's certain things obviously goes his mom, but she would probably tell you this. She would probably say like, I have this impact on him where, you know, she just just happened to us the other day where we had a dinner on, what was that Tuesday last week or Wednesday last week.

So we had a dinner, we worked late, and then we had something else that we worked late. And Katrina's pieced it together. And I've been so consistent with getting home early and spending four hour plus blocks with my son and being a part of the whole bed process that he's been trained, that that's like daddy time with me. And so when I travel or I'm gone,

she goes, his behavior changes. He's not, he's like, and she's like daddy time with me. And so when I travel or I'm gone, she goes, his behavior changes. He's not, he's like, and she's like, I know that the third morning, like if you do that to him, like one day, not a big deal. If you do it two days in a row to him, especially it's actually almost worse when I'm there. If I'm home and he doesn't get it because I'm just working or busy,

if I'm traveling, she can disconnect him and then he's excited to see me when we get back. But otherwise, she goes, I know that morning getting up for school is gonna be a challenge because he's just a crab. He starts to be a crab when he doesn't get that. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, and she's like.

Now how does that make you feel? It's like, there's mixed feelings, right? Part of it's like, oh, my kid. And the other part of it's like, oh, shit. I mean, probably like her, because she's like, you know, it makes her life difficult. She goes, but I love it. She goes, I know that he's so attached to you

and you guys have built such a bond that, that's how I, she goes, that's how I snap out of it is. And she goes, like you, where this is the same thing, like if I'm mentally prepped for you're gonna be a pain in the ass, I can handle your attitude, right? She's like, I can handle, she's like, when I know we're going somewhere

where you're not gonna like it, you're not gonna be happy, and I prep you. She's okay with it. Yeah, she's like, when I know we're going somewhere where you're not going to like it, you're not going to be happy. And I prep you. Yeah. And I prep you one, you're 10 times better when I prep you to, I'm mentally ready for your little comments and your little shit, your little ad. So she's like, your son is exactly the same way. So it's like, if I mentally prep that, okay, tomorrow morning, my son's gonna be hilarious. Yeah. She's like, then I'm fine. And I actually can see the positive side. I love that you guys are bonded like that so much.

So we have, I mean, our whole house is a bit of a disaster zone. It's like just chaos. But it was worth it. Because these kids came over. And I told you guys about the sort of neighborhood kid group that it's like Everett's good friends with. But they just decided upon themselves

to just start digging a hole out of nowhere. I remember that age. Dig dig holes, dig holes. That's so fun. I know, right? I forgot all about that. What is that? Why? Why do I? What's down there? I have no idea. You don't know what's going to, I don't even remember why we did it. Mr. I just remember thinking about it now as adult man, if we had the energy, cause yeah, imagine if we wanted to be, I'd be kind of like, dude, and they always find something like there was like weird bugs you know that they found that really crawling out and like You know and then the dogs went over there looking and the cats and like, you know The whole crew of everybody like surrounding this just whole you know, how'd you get them? I'd everywhere dude

Did they make it real deep? They kept going like ever got in there and he's just like, you know digging away and and I was like this is all great But this is gonna have to be filled back in you knows that yeah, he was like almost crying. He's like The whole I can't like like next weekend like and I'm unfortunately and be gone But like my other friend was gonna use my house to have a party for his like two year old. And I'm like, I can't have a hole this big to all these little two year olds running around my property. This is like a hazard, you know, he's just like, well, can I at least, you know, he's like, trying to make like,

can I make a pond out of it or something? Like put like a tarp on there. And it's like, like, what are we doing here? You know, but I love it It's like he's just experimenting and I got an idea for you Yeah, have him bury something really cool in there and then he'll want to cover it Maybe I could check it out, you know, like 10 years not bad Yeah, those kids do that you guys do one of those time capsules do time capsule though. That'd be a fun project with him Okay, time capsules. Yeah, that would actually be really cool. Get do like a little time cap You know we did so just it later on in life.

Yes, dude. And then you can go dig it up 10 years later. And it's so fun. Actually, bro, that'd be whole fun. You should do like a, have him like write a letter to himself. Maybe you write a letter to him. Get like a picture that's current and whatever. And like maybe a thing, you know?

And then you like do a time capsule. My cousin and I did that. But we didn't do a time capsule. We were just, we just went to my grandparents backyard. We were gold and blue in there. And we just dug up a bunch of He-Man. We put him in hella deep. And then as adults, we're like,

I wonder if he'll go back there. This is the most valuable thing he has. He found him like, oh my God, it's still here. Finally a cool baseball card that's all, you know what I'm saying? That can end up being worth a bunch of money later on. You know, I just, baseball cards are in my head. So I gotta tell you guys a story.

So I know I've brought it up on the show, or I've definitely at least told you guys that I have like one of my best friends, my best friend, that would go all the way to young childhood. He's a grown ass man, and he's hardcore into collecting basketball, baseball cards. It's just so crazy to me, too. And it's not like he has a ton of disposable income, either.

And yet, he's the guy like goes down to Target or Walmart on the Tuesdays when they get the shipment, gets there right away, they open, buys all the boxes that they have of cards and goes home and opens them all up and stuff like that. And just, and he's been doing this. And he's been- Where do people have the time to do this?

Bro, I know that too, right? And he's good, two kids, busy. That's what I'm saying, how is that? Works like crazy. That's his thing, dude. It's his hobby, right? He is super, super busy. He's busier than I. It works like crazy. That's his thing, dude. It's his hobby, right? He is super, super busy. He's busier than I am by far, and yet he still

finds time to do stuff. And he's always trying to get me on too, like, bro, you got to go do this. You got to get this done. And I'm like, bro, I don't have the time to add another hobby like this, especially that hobby of all things. So anyways, it's always been like this thing

that I give him shit about because he's really ramped it up the last two years. He calls me yesterday, motherfucker pulled a card that's worth like $20,000. For reals? Yes. He has a, he has a card that- Is he going to, now he's going to sell it? Is he going to make the money?

Yeah. So he's going to sell it. So he just, so he just had it. So you get these cards that, and you'll see they're, they're graded and you get them graded by either PSA or Beckett. And you, and basically if you have a card that's already a card that you think is going to be worth money, you ship it into one of these companies and they professionally grade it, you know, bolt it in, seal it.

And that card is sealed with a condition. Yes. With a score. And it's a, and then there's a basic score, which is like PSA 10 or Beckett's 10, and then they send you like an email, certified email that comes with it. That is also like a breakdown of every aspect, color, centering, corners, and then that's all scored.

And so if you have a rare card where there's only say like a thousand total of them and then it scores like a 10 center, 10 condition, like that, Like that's a card that could end up being, and so he got a Wimby, which is the kid who's gonna get a rookie of the year this year, who is projecting, he's the guy I told you, it's seven, seven, six, and can dribble the ball, like I was telling you guys the other day, right? So he's gonna get rookie of the year for sure.

He might even get defensive player of the year, so that's crazy, both of those. And he looks like he's gonna be like one of the craziest players we've ever seen. And he got a one-off card, dude. He already got a rare card as well as, and then it got scored a 10 out of 10 on everything. Now will he find a buyer, do you think?

Yeah, I mean, that same card that got a 9.5 rating just sold for $10,000. So somebody bought it. So someone's gonna buy this. Oh yeah. Wow. Yeah, yeah, so he hasn't spent nearly. Yeah, that's gonna buy this. Oh, yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, so he hasn't spent Yeah, that's a crazy thing to buy at that height, right?

You see your your thought is that it's gonna be really so he go he know he keep he told me he says hey man He goes it's I know I need to sell this I have to sell this He goes, but I'd love to keep it in the family. You should you should buy it. I'm like fuck no I said I love you to death, bro. But here's the problem. I'll give you a thousand dollars. Here's what I told him. I said, I would buy 100% would buy a $10,000 Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O'Neal, Michael Jordan card because they're already done with their career and they're already valued that that card will always this kid breaks his leg next year. And that $20,000 card is worth nothing.

I mean, if he doesn't, if he doesn't, so his part of why it's projected so high right now is they're projecting his career. Speaking of which, speaking of which, are OJ Simpson's cards worth, were they worth more after everything that happened with this trial? I assume. Or did they go down in value?

I bet it went up. I bet you too. I actually don't know. I bet you too. I actually don't know that answer. I bet you went OJ Simpson, Rookie Card. That'd be weird though if it affected the value of his trading cards. I think it probably would go up because of all the controversy and all that craziness.

I would think so too. But I don't know, that's actually a really, maybe. Didn't he just pass away? Google Doug could find out. Yeah, he just passed away. He's died from cancer. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah, look that up, Doug.

That's a really interesting question. Look up OJ Simpson, trading card or rookie value up, up or down after murder or alleged murder. Remember at this point we can say murder. Remember the glove doesn't fit guys. You know, you gotta, it's like, come on, there's no leads. Yeah, that's actually, I don't know. That's a really good question. Normally when, normally when shit happens,

well, and even just when someone passes or when someone passes and they've been, or when they retire. That's why too, I told my buddy, I was like, you have to sell this car. By the way, you guys ever watch, I know this is not cool to say, but you ever watched old film of L.J. Simpson when he played? That guy was insane. Oh my gosh. He was really talented. He's insane. One of the best. What do you find there, Doug?

Well, I am seeing that after his death, the value's gone up. Also? Yeah. So then it most likely did, because if it went up even more after he died, it was probably up after, even after all that. That's it, that's it. I mean, two ways you can make a lot of money, right?

Is like either you're notorious for something terrible or something good. You know, I'm gonna steal this moment of being on Sports Talk, because we rarely get this, to give you something Justin on Peacock, which is a streaming service. I don't know if you have it or not It there was a documentary or somewhere There was a documentary. Do you know who owns Peacock?

NBC Comcast okay, so Comcast yes Well, it's also yeah, I believe they own NBC also So Comcast bought it. That's a good guess. Well, it's also, yeah, I believe they own NBC also. Oh, okay, okay. Comcast, that was there when the whole streaming war and they were losing like crazy, that was their counter.

And so they've actually, they got some, remember they got some of the football games this year, so they're finding a way. It'd be interesting to see what happened with the company, like how much they took a dive and then if they're rebounding. Anyways, rambling, sorry. 2022, this documentary was released, I released, I just watched it

last night. It was so good. It was Joe Montana's. Oh, Montana. So and it's on there's somebody I love. The story, his whole story is like, you know, he's he was an only child. His parents were like, and they grew up Silicon Valley. So it's a really, it's a really, really good. He's a really big entrepreneur. Oh, yeah. Yeah heard he's a really big entrepreneur. Oh yeah, yeah, he's done, and they, man, you know, there's not a lot of kids,

I know Doug is rare like this too, like you know, if you grew up way back in the day, that actually have footage, like they had a lot of footage. There's a lot of footage of him, like when he was a baby, when he was a young kid, so not a lot of people that are that age have a lot of good actual like video of them. So the documentary has a ton of like old ladies dad in him in the yard like throwing the football on a tire that's going back and forth. It's like nostalgic. Oh, it's so cool. And to see that from

somebody like that and to see the kind of and you get to actually see the relationship that he has with them. So it was sweet. Yeah, it's worth watching if you have a question. All right, one more thing I'll say, take a left here, but I ran out of the Entera hair peptide. Is that why you're looking silver? Listen, no, I don't know. Am I looking more silver? You do look a little more silver. So I ran out and used it for a while,

and you know, there's some products you use, and then at first you're like, I noticed something, then you use it for a while, and you're like, is it doing anything? Stopped using it for a while, and my hair started falling out. Oh anything? Stopped using it for a while and my hair started falling out. Oh wow. Yeah, and I got my hands on some more thankfully and started using it again.

Really? So you gotta keep, yeah, you gotta keep using it. But it works, it definitely works. Cause when I use it. I feel like that almost with all those products like that. There's skincare one too. Like when you use it within two days, you notice a big difference.

Do you think. Stop using it and you notice. Do you think there's a negative thing, or is that more of a, like, so, cause I felt this way too, using the products like this, where I would use it. And then I was like, is it working? Is it not working? And then I not use it. And then all of a sudden I'd see like thinning really bad. And I'd be like, Oh shit. Like is this the normal trajectory? And that's stopping.

So that's what I was wondering. I'm like, do you, is, is your your opinion on this that you were actually like really on this route of losing, losing, losing, and then by taking it, it's like stalled it, and then that picks it back up? Or did the product have some sort of a negative effect that, okay, so you think that's right? Yeah, because peptides, the peptides that they use are drivers, so the skin peptides, for example,

are drivers of skin regeneration, blood flow, boosting certain nutrients like copper, like in the scalp for example, which is good for hair loss. So it's basically kind of, it's stopping or slowing down what could potentially happen, kind of turbocharging everything. And you go off of it, you go back to where you were before. You know, their skin product has the GHK in it.

Katrina, that's become my copper. Yes. That's become a go-to face cream for her. Oh, yeah. Courtney loves that, too. Oh, Jessica's selling it to all her friends. I mean, literally, it's not cheap, either. No, it's not.

No, and she's effective. It's effective as shit. Oh, listen, you notice it by day two. So she's having her friends, her friends will come over come over and she'll be like put this on right now I just let it put it on again. Then we'll call back like okay, you know, I need to use this Yeah, yeah Do a long time ago. We were talking about like Proposals on the show like how we you know proposed to her wife whatever like, you know funny stories with that and

It's been a while I don't know if you guys have seen anybody like in public in a long time, kind of do that where all of a sudden it's this sort of big display and like, I've seen it at a ball game. I've seen it at different places. This one sort of takes the cake for me. I hadn't, uh, uh, it took me by surprise. So over the weekend I was at the site kind of expo and, um, on stage they actually had like a little bodybuilding show there. And so this guy was up there and you know, jacked guy he was in his little, you know,

skimpy, black thong. It wasn't even like a regular it was a thong. Yeah, it was a thong. It wasn't even a speedo. Yeah, something you're skimming over here. What expo were you at? I'm gonna ask you is like's like this is the new thing. Like dudes are cheeking out on stage. Not really. Instead of like. I don't think so.

Yeah, it shouldn't be a thong, but I mean they do have a. Or they'll pull it up to show their glutes. But it shouldn't be. Yeah, you might see them do that. They turn around the back and they'll slide to the sides. You can see the striation in there. Kyle, you can back me up.

You were there. It was pretty tall. It was thong. What kind of expo was it? Was it fitness? Yes, fitness, but it was mainly more like sports. So we were kind of doing a little bit of investigation and see if it was because it was local.

It was like in St. Clair. Not a lot of places to hide the ring, though. That's what I was wondering. First of all, where did he get it? And then, well, he just sort of has the mic and he brings his fiancee, his little girlfriend up on the stage and then drops down, kind of does the thing. Really?

Yeah, and for everybody, and everybody's just like, congratulations. It's like a big moment. But I'm like, really? Like here? You're not wearing anything? I've been to a lot of shows and I've never seen anybody do that. That'd be a weird time.

You gotta be really confident she's gonna say yes. Yeah, exactly. You're all thonged out and you're like, you'll put yourself out there. If you're the guy that you decide to do that, like what's your, cause okay, at least this is how I thought about my proposal. I thought about what would my wife love?

Like, what would my, what would like, so like what, the way I did it was not how I would like to do it or what I would do, it was just like, she's such a family oriented person that, and on Thanksgiving is when we get everybody together from all over, and so I knew that getting down on a knee in front of her family would be very meaningful. Not what I wanted to do, that's how I thought.

So what is he thinking that? Exactly my thought process, I was like, did you think of this on your own? Did you think about what she wanted? You ever hear the story of there was a man who was gonna propose to his girlfriend and he came home early from work to surprise her and had her whole family in their apartment waiting

and she came home with one of her coworkers. Oh, whoa, my God. So they were hiding. She comes around. Shut up, that's not real. I think it's, I don't know, maybe it's a urban legend. That can't be real. We're working on a project the other half.

No, no, she came around, he was hiding, they were all hiding, and then they started making out and they turned the light on. No way. Hey, listen. I don't know if it's an urban legend, but I heard about something like that. That sounds like old school, didn't that happen?

Yeah, I feel like that's like a movie. I think you like talking about some movie. I think it is a movie actually, that sounds crazy. Could you imagine? Oh, the heartache. I mean the timing of that, like the chances of that. I have seen videos though, where people are on the altar. I have seen videos on YouTube where they're on the altar and then the husband pulls and they're doing their their

What is it called when they vows their vows and the guy brings up and I saw one with a girl do this too Where they bring up the vows, but instead they read text messages That they printed from the other person and you can see that the the bride was like And it was with one of the groomsmen I think like to say I'm not getting married yeah like I got you yeah and he just starts yes oh yeah those videos like that's fine there's more than one where they get confronted on the altar I wouldn't do that I feel like some of those are like what's the majority of those do you think that are staged I know because I just don't trust, like, who's really going to go through all of that

to display that? I saw Mark Bell's shared a post. He's so funny. That's how I default to that now. I almost do. I know, because there's so much fake shit. There was this guy that was- Because you're going to get so many views, obviously.

There was this guy that was doing- he did a video on his thing. And I know this is Mark's been posting some of this all the time just to get controversy and people talk about it. And it was like this trash guy. And he was like, you know, like music was playing the trucks going he's running And he's doing cartwheels and throwing the trash in there and it's like everyone's like, oh, it's so cool to love You know love whatever you do work in the time all positive and I'm like those trash bags were all perfectly wrapped. We're all Looking all the trash cans like they're not ever like perfectly stacked to the bags are all stacked up like that doesn't ever happen you're you're going to your house and look at all the trash cans like they're not ever like perfectly stacked to the bags are all wrapped up I'm like that was so state

for a video anytime I do a parkour video like I'm like already like you know going through I'm gonna do this and that I'm like staging it out because there's no way I'm just gonna randomly just jump off something and it's so hard to get excited that's how I felt so hard to get excited about it like a cool Video now because I'm like that everybody is chasing going viral so much that it's like it's all fake They practice all this stuff a thousand times before they even post it out And I mean think about how many times stuff has happened in your life That was crazy and you didn't have a camera recording you every time that's every time I've never had like oh, yeah

Yeah, no, I take a lot of pride in the fact that I think my life outside of Instagram is way better than my life in Instagram, which is the opposite I think of a lot of people today. I think a lot of people hype up everything that is anything cool in their life on Instagram and then inside they're like depressed and sad and not really doing shit. Yeah, no, it is unfortunate. That's terrible. All right, so the shout out should be, I think, that we continue to talk about our live event. We're getting all kinds of messages. People are excited.

Let's go to Vegas. We haven't done a live event in years since right before COVID. So we're going to be in Vegas, what is it, June 15th. And we're going to meet fans and have a great time. And you can go to mindpumplive.com, sign up, come meet us, hang out. It meet fans and have a great time and you can go to mindpumplive.com sign up come meet us hang out it's gonna be a good time it's at the Bellagio and Doug we're staying there right yes yeah so we'll be staying there too so it's uh although I think the VIP are sold out already so I think

the VIP last I saw there was one ticket left and that was like two days ago so I don't know if there's any of those left general admission though. There still is there also We also set up to where we have a bartender So it'll be we'll have some so 21 and over right so you need to be 21 to be in there to be Drinking and hanging out with all of us, but to be in Vegas and do this. I'm I'm super awesome. Yeah, it's gonna be a fun time Seed is the world's best Probiotic look by now you probably know the benefits of probiotics. They can help your skin, your digestion. Studies show it

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Thank you for having me. You got it. How can we help you? So, my question today for you guys is to see if we could talk about how to approach diet and exercise as I come off of the GLP-1 agonist. Specifically, I've been using terzepotite and I've reached a weight that I'm happy with. And so I'm tapering off.

I've just begun that process of tapering off of the peptide. And so I'm hoping for some guidance on how to approach my diet and nutrition going forward. I'll just summarize a little bit of the backstory that was in my email. I was introduced to lifting about 11 years ago through CrossFit classes. I was 40 at the time. I've been relatively consistent. You know, I miss here and there because of family scheduling or injuries or whatnot. But overall, for a decade, I've been pretty consistent. I really enjoy lifting of all kinds. I like traditional, I like Olympic lifting. I did a strongman competition and that was a real kick in the pants too.

Like many people I've lost weight through diet and exercise, then I regain the weight, then I lose more weight, then I would regain the weight. And that was the driving factor for why I chose to start the tersepidide, which I used for the last eight months. the tersepidide which I used for the last eight months. So I have good nutrition, I eat clean, I know how to track my food, I worked with a nutrition coach for a while so I felt like I did all the things that I did all the foundation work I guess you would say but I don't want to take trisepatite forever I think that I can get off of it if I have the right plan going forward I love this question I love this question Rachel do you know that I'm going through this right now yes I've heard a couple of that says where you've mentioned it yes so I'm on week four right now. I'm blown away by what I see.

And I don't, I'm not sure. I think I've communicated this on the podcast that my intent is to go through this like a client versus being a trainer. So I'm really kind of just letting it take its course. And, you know, when I'm hungry, make good balance choices. I'm not really actually overly tracking and being afraid that I'm under,

I already know I'm under consuming protein. And I've already been thinking about what is it gonna be like when I get off and how am I gonna reintroduce? So I think the guys and I will be able to give you some pretty good advice right now. I think I'm gonna be able to give you really good advice over the next two to three months.

So make sure you're listening and staying tuned. Couple questions. Really curious because you're so much further ahead than I am. Tell me a little bit about how it felt for you. Did you have a lot of success? Did you drop down in body fat percentage significantly? What did you notice? What are maybe some of your fears of coming off of it? Tell me a little bit more. more. So, um, at my heaviest, I was two 40, I'm five 10. Uh, at my heaviest, I was two 40. Um, I was, uh, I was creeping up around two 30 when I started the trisepatitis. I, I had lost some of the weight and then I started to trisepatitis. So yes, the weight came off. I'm at one 84 now. So I've lost a significant amount of weight. For me, it came

off a little bit slower than you know, the health providers I went through a clinic and the health providers would meet with me and stuff. And they, you know, would say, well, the truth is, appetizers, people are losing three or four pounds a week. And that was never the case for me. I lost a couple pounds a week generally. But my body fat percentage came down from, it was 28 when I started. And now it's like 21 to 22. And that's, I don't have access to the Dex and scans and things like that.

So those are, those are trends that I follow on my little at home impedance scale. So the number might not be perfectly accurate, but the trend was consistent. Um, that's good info. That's right. That's a lot. Um, I carry a lot of muscle.

So that was part of, I guess, of my comfort level with deciding to try the trisapetide is that I felt like I was always very muscular and I was very strong, but I just couldn't shed the fat. And so definitely I've lost muscle. I just chose going into it that that's gonna be something I have to accept. Um, but I tried to minimize that obviously, you know, I tried to keep lifting and, um, taking creatine and you know, I can't hit my protein targets. Like, I know that we should and I, yeah, I heard you say that. Yeah, it's like impossible. It feels impossible just because you're not hungry.

I think supplementing with protein is probably essential while you're on, now that I'm hearing more people's experiences, it's so hard to hit. I would even go one step further. I actually was thinking about this this morning and it's ironic because we've shit on the supplement for so long. If there was ever a time I would consider taking BCAAs.

Doing your re-no's. It's because there's times where I don't even want to take a shake, even taking a light shake is like just, does it sound good? Yeah, so to have even that in there to mitigate that a little bit. So Rachel, I'm trying to do a little math here just to see what the lean body mass loss was during that period.

So you said almost 230, is 228 more accurate or can you give me an accurate number? What'd you say when you started? Um, no. So we'll go off of 230. Yeah. Okay. We'll go off 230 and you said about 28% body fat, um, which leaves you with 165 pounds of lean body mass. And now you're 185 at 21%. Is that correct?

Okay. And that leaves you with 146 pounds of lean body mass. So about 20 pounds of lean body mass loss based off of this, you know, give or take, right? Cause you're using electronic competitors. Now during that period, and I'm asking this cause it's gonna help me give you advice moving forward. Like how we're gonna move forward without rebounding, which is the fear.

The fear is you go off this peptide and old patterns start to reemerge. During that period of time, you were lifting still, so you said you were still training, correct? Yes, but way less. Okay, way less. Okay, so tell me about that. What were you doing before and then what were you doing during, and why did you lift less, was it the energy, was your energy different?

Well, so prior to starting it, I just attended CrossFit classes. Okay. I had done the Strongman stuff a few months previous with another friend of mine, a trainer outside of the CrossFit group I go to. Um, but I wasn't doing that when I started the trisepatitis. I just was going to CrossFit. Um, and it very early on became apparent that that intensity was not going to work. Okay. So it was an appropriate scale back then.

Yeah. So I scaled back the intensity basically. Um, that was smart. And the, the actual weights too. Like I don't, I don't go into the gym and say, oh, I'm going to PR today, or I'm going to, I'm going to lift, you know, the heaviest weight during this workout. I just, I can't keep up. I don't want to do that. I don't want to feel like I'm going to barf at the end.

Now during the period when you're on, because it was an eight month period. So while you were on the trisepatide, did you have any, I guess, discovery into why it was so challenging before with food? Were there any issues tied to overeating for you that you were able to identify now that the urge to overeat was taken away from the trisepatitis? Was there any processes or behavior, were you kind of self-reflection during that period

or was it just, I'm just eating less? So I went into it, I feel like I went into it with my eyes wide open. I did as much research as I could do, which as you know, there's not a whole ton of stuff out there because it's so new for the public. So I would suspect that I was over training

and under eating. I didn't start listening to y'all's podcasts until I was already in this process, but definitely, already in this process. But definitely, you know, I probably was eating a big day for me was 1500 calories. And I would gain weight. And I was going to CrossFit, you know, four days a week. So going into this process, I intentionally scaled that back. Obviously the calories went down because I can't eat that much. But I definitely became more aware of what foods I was eating and what foods made me feel a certain way.

So I didn't really have an overeating problem. I think that, I mean, I would make poor alcohol choices on the weekends. And I definitely liked my ice cream at night, that kind of stuff. So that, that all went away. Um, and I'm hoping that habits so that those, those habits don't come back. Yeah, that's okay. So that's interesting. So the, did tersepidite affect your alcohol consumption as well?

Drastically. Yes. Interesting. It's so wild. That's interesting. So the turzapetite effect, your alcohol consumption as well? Drastically. Yes. Interesting. It's so wild. That's interesting. So, all right. So now I have some more information. I think I know what direction I would go. So because of the lean body mass loss and because of the potential for just general appetite now to go up, okay. Well, now that you're off the GLP-1, appetite might go up. I would treat this like a reverse, like I would do a reverse diet. I would do traditional strength training,

two or three days a week, full body. Maps and a ball. I would, yeah, maps and a ball could be a great program. I would, I would hit my protein targets. So aim for grams of protein, you know, one gram per pound of target body weight, whatever that is for you. So if you like where you're at, then try and stay within the 160, 185 grams and be very consistent. If you need to supplement, do so, but try and get it from whole natural foods and then focus on getting stronger in the gym. And what we should see is a metabolism boost with some lean body mass gain and

some additional fat loss from the metabolism boosting. Now, if we don't structure it that way, what may happen, and I don't know because I don't have a ton of experience with people coming off GLP-1s, what may happen is the old patterns start to reemerge when you take this intervention away. So I think if we structure it in the way that I'm saying and try to stay aware of what's going on, what we may get is this nice lean body mass build, metabolism boost, and a nice fat loss, muscle gain kind of transfer. If you don't structure it, um, I'd be afraid that the old patterns may reemerge.

Now what's interesting is my conversations with like Dr. Seeds, who's one of the lead researchers in this field, says that it tends to rewire the brain. So it's not as simple as behaviors just coming back. I am skeptical with that because I know how behaviors I think aren't just rooted in brain structure. I think that it's more complex than that. So I don't know, I don't have a ton of experience, but if I were you, I would structure it in this way. And then the one thing that I would stay very strict on would be the alcohol.

Because that right there has no benefit. There's no benefit to that, clitorically, metabolically, it's just pure, whatever. Not good for you. You're up-sleep, all kinds of stuff. I think the answer is actually, is relatively easy. Adhering to it is what I don't know yet personally how hard that's going to be. So what's going to happen when you get out, the appetite's going to come back. And as long as you resist the desire to go to the ice cream and

alcohol and just make sure you make a healthy choice, I think we're going to see nothing but benefits. I think following a program like Maps on a Box, so having a nice program shift into something that's ideal for where you're at, you allowing yourself to eat more food, but just making sure you're going after the protein first and making good choices is going to be all the difference. Yeah. Cause then it's going to prioritize those

additional calories to building muscle and you're going to be very happy with, with Tisale's point. It should actually build the metabolism and we might even lean out as you gain calories. Yeah, your body weight might actually stay right around where it's at, but you actually find yourself getting leaner as you build more muscle and the metabolism starts to burn more body fat. And that's what a really good reverse diet would do for someone like you in your situation. And then what you should see is really good strength gains in the gym where you're seeing your major lifts

really going up and you start to feel really good. But I would definitely do it structured and I would pay attention to what's going on and not allow yourself to, if it is indeed rewiring patterns in the brain, then you could always create those patterns back up. So stay as consistent as possible. And if I was you, I'd be like, for sure no alcohol.

I'm gonna stay away from that. And the reason why I'm saying that is the tersepidide took it away, which means that the impulsive part of the brain that was reaching for the alcohol was the part that's affected. Whereas other people who don't necessarily have an impulsive, from my experience with people,

the very limited amount of people I've talked to, they're like, yeah, it doesn't really affect my alcohol intake. It's the people that I've talked to who have some issues with alcohol, where they kind of drink a little too much or whatever, or use it in ways that maybe aren't as great, that find the benefit from using the GLP-1s. So I would avoid that completely so that you don't move back in that direction. Right. Right.

I would love to actually- I want follow up.. Yeah I want follow up with you because this is something that I'm super we're all super curious about as I'm going through it and more and more people are handling it. I just had a we had a big talk with a bunch of trainers and one of the things that we are trying to communicate to them is like do not fall in the trap of feeling like you need to take a camp of your super anti these or you think they're the best thing ever. I say you're going to have to learn to work with these with clients and understand the value and as it's a tool and some people can hurt them and some

people can be extremely valuable to them. And so, uh, would love to hear you, you know, circle back with us as you come off this. In fact, Rachel, are you in our private forum or no? I am. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Follow up. Would you share with us? Yeah, I can. Yeah. And I just started on like the third week of phase one. Oh, wonderful. Beautiful. Beautiful. Now, please keep us updated. When you come off the tersepiditis, is it a scale back process or is it cold

Turkey? How do they process that? The nurse practitioner that I'm working with right now, like I said earlier, I think they don't really know either, right? But they, they gave me the option. Um, and she said that, you know, the other clients they've worked with, did better when they scaled back that she's had clients that tried to just cold turkey it, and then they put weight back on and we're coming back within a couple of months wanting to restart. So it makes sense in my mind to kind of taper off of it. I think that may... So I'll tell you my strategy, even though I'm not here yet, what I think I'm

going to do is I think I'm going to tailor off where I'm like once every other week and then half the dose and kind of go like that. And then I actually told the guys, I think I'm gonna keep a bottle or two of this always in my house. And when I know I'm going somewhere where I'm gonna have a lot of temptation to binge or grab things that are not ideal, I think I might use it.

I was like, if I was going on a vacation for a week to Vegas or going somewhere where there's gonna be alcohol and food and I'm just not gonna to be a place of what a lot of healthy choices. I think I might actually insert it, utilize it as a tool for that one week and then be off of it right after that again, just to help. You know, so that's kind of what I'm thinking I'm going to do. Yeah. So, um, but yeah, let's, let's do this together instead of, uh, cause it is so new for all of us.

I'd love to hear your journey. And as you give us feedback, hopefully we can be there to support you going through it. Great. Yeah, I'm excited to build some of the muscle back. Awesome. Awesome, Rachel. Thank you, Rachel.

We'll see you in the forum. All right, thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. The most interesting part of all that was the, uh, she didn't want the alcohol, bro. It's a trip. Yeah. That's how I feel about ice cream. Ice cream is my thing. It's like whatever comforts you like, you know, it's one of those things, the coping thing, right? It's affecting the,

it seems like the hedonistic reward system, it's whatever you reach for. That's like kind of an impulse. Yeah. So it's very interesting, but like anything, if you don't work with it, uh, and develop those, those better, uh, behaviors along with it, then it's going to be this like thing that I need all the time. You know what's so weird though, Sal, like, and I know alcohol and ice cream are different, but in the, to your hedonistic point, is there, like, I wanna believe that I was using it like a coping thing, but no, I just love the fucking taste of ice cream, and it's just so enjoyable

that once I get going, it triggers that, like, I could just keep eating this because it's so good. And there's not, like, you know, I've journaled, tried to figure, do you even dive in, is there something I'm trying to know? Well, it doesn't have to necessarily be that. It's basically what it is, is, because it could be trying well. It doesn't have to necessarily be that it's basically What it is is because it could be that but it's not in your case

But it's definitely that the you people develop a really a hedonistic relationship with something right to where they Can't seem to put the the brakes on it or they go above and beyond or it's what I think it would I that's what it seems Like well, I have attached it to certain things. Remember I told you there's like a formula I have figured out like and it's actually having a great workout, having a good day, having great sex with my wife and I'm like ice cream is the fucking topper to this. And so that has like been like and I love it. I enjoy it. It's an all positive thing. In my head I think I go well I've worked out so I can handle the extra calories. I had a great day, wife and I just made great love.

I'm gonna enjoy a nice dessert afterwards. But what's wild is it's just not there. Yeah, because you don't even have a desire for it afterwards. Because here's the deal, most people enjoy ice cream, right? Most people can find some enjoyment from alcohol. Most people can enjoy some enjoyment from using other substances, but for some people, the GLP-1s seem to take

some of those things away, and I think it's people who have developed some kind of a relationship with those, either products or activities, where the hedonism of it is as disproportional. Is it like dopamine, serotonin, sort of spikes? You know, like, I'm just trying to think. Here's a good question.

For like caffeine, like intake for me. Here's, well that hasn't stopped. I wonder, I wonder. So that hasn't stopped or slowed down for me. What has tripped me out, alcohol, because I have a different relationship with alcohol. I don't really care for alcohol that much, but I enjoyed it occasionally, socially.

We went to that event, I had some drinks there. What keeps me from not doing the alcohol again is that it fills me up and then I get like no food. And then I feel the effects of no food. No food and just alcohol makes everybody feel awful. So I could have, like I had I think two or three drinks that one day, but that was all my calories. And so then all of a sudden I'm like, ugh.

But alcohol for you is different, right? It's the ice cream that you've always had different. Yeah, I don't have, I don't like, my point was that it's interesting even how I can enjoy that, but I don't even have this. I really don't want to do it. I told you guys, I know a guy who's using it for sex addiction. So, and everybody enjoys sex, but some people develop a relationship with it or you start to move. It's an obsession. Yeah. Yeah, so weird. This is very, very strange and interesting. And I can't wait to get more information from people who come off of them and what the pitfalls

are gonna be like. Because there's gonna be... It's very interesting. Yeah, because there's gotta be challenges. Never like, oh, it's just... Well, the best thing we can do is to continue to educate and inform the audience as we go through these types of stories, and so this will be interesting.

Our next caller is Steve from North Carolina. Hey, Steve. How can we help you? Hey, guys. How are y'all? Good. What's going on? Good to North Carolina. Hey Steve. How are we all? Good. What's going on? Good to see you. You too.

Not a lot. Hey, I want to first thank you all for creating the program you did. I've been using it for about two months with MapStarter. I'm 57 years old and I've been lifting most of my life, just kind of program myself thrown together. But I was looking for something that would help me kind of get into lifting systematically would help me, um, have a program where I wouldn't get bored. Where it'd be a repetitive weekend, week out twice a week type of workout.

And this map starter really helped me out with that. So I appreciate it. I'm looking, I'm looking to do a built a lifetime of fitness enough for a reason. You just saw it can be around longer and have a more fuller life. And I think y'all said it best a couple of weeks ago, maybe a week ago. It's about, it's about freedom, the freedom to do things. So, um, the question, the question I have for y'all is actually two questions. I appreciate you taking both of them is the first is I use my fitness powder track calories when I do that

It gives you an option and one of the options is to add back your calories burned through exercise So I'm starting then with 2250 calories and I've broken it down like y'all recommend But I'd buy goal weights 220 so 220 grams of protein 190 grams of carb which is less the 200 and the fat just fills in from there at 77 grams. And should I be adding back the exercise calorie? So the 500 calories or so I burn every day for exercise. Should I be adding that back into my base calories?

No, no. And the reason why I say no is just because there's such a large variance in that and adding that variable, they're already like an estimation, right? And trying to estimate a weight training workout, a hike for two hours, a swim for a half hour, it just broadens how far more off you can be. And so- The margin for error just explodes. Thank you. That's a better way to say it.

So my thing with my clients was I just want us to track. So we know now you and I know consistently what our workouts look like and, and what we're really looking for is trends in the right direction, up or down and weight, maintaining weight, strength going out like that. And, but you can really start to skew it by trying to guesstimate or allowing the thing, the app to guesstimate how many calories your workout burned. And so I don't, I recommend to just put the nutrients in and get the macros so we have an idea. And then you and I would go like, okay, based off of what I've been seeing, when I eat this many calories, my workouts are relatively the same and activities relatively the same.

I like to track steps too, because I think steps give you an idea of if it's a regular week, right? Obviously if you and I average 5,000 steps a week and then all of a sudden you have this crazy week where you're traveling and you're walking all over, you know, say Japan or somewhere and you take 15,000. Now that would obviously make a difference in your calorie burn, but if we're relatively the same step wise, eating wise, that should be enough for us. And you do the same same kind of workouts to get a pretty good guesstimation if

we're moving the right direction. So that'd be my advice to that one. In other words, Steve, just, just listen, watch what happens to your body and adjust your calories from there. Don't, don't, don't base it off the estimation. So it's 2250 the right amount for me? I don't know. You got to follow it for a while and see how you feel. Now what's your goal? Is your goal weight loss, weight gain, performance improvements? Cut weight loss. Okay. I mean I'm already getting stronger. I can feel it. I mean after two months of this, after two months of starter, I'm already feeling a lot stronger. Oh, that's a good sign.

Yeah, I would watch the scale and performance, your performance in the gym. If the scale's moving down at a nice, slow, even pace, then you're probably at the right calories, and your performance is doing good, you're probably at the right calories. At the beginning, Steve, I always tell my clients, we are better off seeing the scale stay the same

and getting stronger than we are seeing a really fast drop in weight. A really fast drop in weight means you're cutting too many. And so yeah, if you're kind of staying the same weight or slowly dropping and you're actually feeling good in the gym, and that's a good sign that you're in that Goldilocks zone of you're probably building a little bit of muscle, you're probably burning a little bit of body fat, and then it's just the mental discipline of kind of stay in there for awhile. And then not really adjusting until you absolutely need to.

Right. Um, and one, one other question, please. Beginner question, I guess, um, the way, the way that I've been doing this is I'll start out with the, with the priming and I'll take the priming and I'll do go through each of the three and then I'll go back through each of the three and that's the same thing with the, with the exercises. So if I'm doing like the, um, the, the front loaded squats, I'll go do one of those, then the bent over row, then the Arnold press and the launch and I'll go back and start over and do those.

Is that the correct order? Should I do, should I do two? Yeah, you do, you do the sets of each exercise each. So the front squats you would do two sets or three sets of that first. Then you'd move to the next exercise. There's a reason for that too. It's not like a circuit. There's a reason. Oh yeah, I know y'all have a reason. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's definitely a reason for that. I mean, you want when you're, when we're, especially when we're strength training to build muscle, you staying with that exercise gives the body, the CNS, an ability to really adapt to the movement

and get the biggest bang for your buck of the movement. If you go from one exercise to the next, what happens is now the body's like, oh, trying to figure out this exercise before you're reaping the max benefits. You're just better at teaching that movement. Yeah, and you also tend to fatigue stabilizer muscles or muscles you'll want for compound lifts.

You know, like if I'm doing a barbell row and then I just did curls, I'm going to make my ability to do the barbell row. I'm going to reduce my ability to do it effectively because I fatigue my biceps, which isn't necessarily, actually for most people, not a good idea. So do the sets of each exercise and then move to the next one. Great. Thank you. Thank you all so much again. I really appreciate it for my next, for my next. I've already picked up map prime and, and, um, maps anabolic. So, um, the direction I was heading next. Uh, Steve, are you in our forum? I am not. I'm going to have Doug put you on our forum so we can keep an eye on you and you can, uh, if you got more questions like this this as you go through the process just hit us up in there. Thanks I really appreciate it guys thank you all. You got it Steve.

Alright man. You have a good one. You too. Good job. That's it that's cool so he's he'd worked out before for a while and then went to map starter and that just go and he's getting great results and that just goes to show like map starters not just for complete beginners is for people who've never really followed a well programmed workout to get your body moving the right way. Cause now from starting to go to maps and a ball is about the right dose. And that's the thing is we can just in our own mind, create this idea that we need to go so intense. And like, this is what I used to do. And you know, whatever's appropriate for you right now is the best

recipe. I mean, I love hearing that you could tell that he's listening to a lot of episodes. Yeah. Notting his head before I can finish the advice and stuff like that. Like, yeah, no, I know. I knew you'd say that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, as far as trying to replace calories with activity, your body adapts to exercise and learns how to burn less calories while doing that exercise, number one. And you've said it best, Adam. The margin for error at figuring out your caloric intake, you just took that margin and just blew it way the heck up because now you're trying to calculate

how many calories you burn, which nobody, there is no really accurate way to figure it out. Oh yeah, it's already, that's a difficult thing to already kind of estimate. It's funny because these apps, they keep getting more sophisticated and can attach to different other tools and like, you know,

because it's a competitive market and you know, they can say they do all these things. But the truth is the most valuable thing these things do is just a place that finds the food and estimates the calories for you. Like that right there is just, is all you need from it. And then having a tool that tracks kind of your steps. So you have an idea of what a normal day or week of movement looks like. Those are the two big rocks when it comes to kind of figuring out where's my metabolism and where do I need to go from there. Our next caller is Morgan from Minnesota. Hi Morgan. Morgan, how can we help you?

Good. Good. So I had sent in a question in the beginning and I kind of wanted to rephrase it a little bit if that's okay. Yeah, you can ask whatever you want. So my beginning question was how strongly do genetics play a role in our physiques? But I kind of wanted to rephrase it into like, how do you know you're at like a healthy body type? You know, like not talking just body fat

percentage, but just overall you're healthy in general. Ooh, good question. Very good question. Well, that's going to go back to your relationship with exercise and nutrition and your body. So, yeah, are you eating in a way that feels nourishing or does it feel stressful and controlled? Do you exercise in a way to where youishing or does it feel stressful and controlled?

Do you exercise in a way to where you care for yourself and you're going in and you're accurate with that? Or does it feel like you're forcing something to happen or running from something or punishing yourself? And then how is the rest of your life? Because exercise and diet are two factors, but then there's relationships with people, relationships with the world, you know, that kind of stuff, spiritual practice. So it's a very simple yet very complex question that you're asking. Now, truth be told, I have met very, very few people who are just great

in all of that. It's a journey and it waxes and wanes and we're human and this is a challenge for everybody, especially fitness professionals like ourselves. And the range, not to completely tie it to body fat percentage, but using that as kind of somewhat of a metric to measure are we healthy or not, it's so wide. Like you could be a female and be as low as 13 to 15% and as high as 28, 29%

and be considered healthy in that range. That's a huge range. as 13 to 15% and as high as 28, 29% and be considered healthy in that range. That's a huge range and will look very different on your body, you know what I'm saying? Your body will look very different. And so- Based on where you're carrying it, yeah. Yeah, so a lot of that has to do with how you're performing, your energy,

how it's affecting all the other aspects of your life. Like, if you're training and dieting and you're at a body fat percentage, who cares what that number is, but you feel, like for example, right now, I feel some of the healthiest I've ever been in my life. By no means am I even closer to the most jacked I've ever been.

Like I've looked to the other, somebody else would laugh at that and go like, yeah, right, I've seen you look like this on state, but it's like, I wasn't my healthiest there. I looked to other people like the most jacked and healthy, but no, no, no, no, no. I have a way better balance and relationship with exercise, food and family and mobility and all this other stuff. And so yeah, it's a, it's a, there's a lot that goes into that. Yeah. You got to factor in mood. You got to factor in like other factors with skin, hair,

like the way you're, your, your attitude, like your, your drive, like so many other things too, that you can kind of put in there that's not physically based as far as like your metrics. So again, this is, this is something too, I think a lot of times when we meet somebody in person, we can tell whether or not, you know, how healthy they are based off of like their interactions with other people and, uh, you know, how they look in their eyes and, and, you know, things like that, that aren't really as obvious to most people. Morgan, how long have you been exercising for consistently? Um, consistently like six years.

So I, yeah, I, I love the fact of like before my trip for Mexico, I got super lean, loved it. And now I guess I'm just at a place where I'm like, kind of what's the point. I'm just kind of like, cause I'm not, there's no goal really. It's just kind of like, we're just going to the gym to go to the gym. And that's kind of what I love to do, but. That's, that's a great, that's a great place to be. Don't fall.

So there's nothing wrong with goals. Okay. There's nothing wrong with trying to hit goals, but that should not be ultimately a, and you're young. So as you continue doing this, you'll, you'll, you'll start to figure this out. But you, if you fall in love with always have having to have a goal, then you'll find yourself in this place where like, well, I enjoy doing it, but I don't have a goal, so I feel kind of lost the, the, the, you know, I heard, I heard somebody say this, uh, last,

a couple of weeks ago, I thought this was brilliant. You know, exercising, trying to eat, right? It's a sacrifice. You're sacrificing your presence, your present enjoyment for the future self. Right? So right now I'm, I'm doing these hard things to benefit the future me, but the ultimate place to be is when the present and the future come together. So now I'm doing this for its enjoyment.

So I'm exercising cause I truly enjoy it and it's joyful for me. I eat healthy because I feel joy while I care for myself. And then of course that benefits me now, but it also benefits me in the future. And then here's, here's a little tip where you know if you're healthier or not when you're consistent. The most extreme versions of yourself, the strongest, the fastest, the leanest, typically is not the healthiest. So for people who are really consistent with their fitness, this is now fitness fanatics, the most jacked version of yourself, the most whatever impressive looking on social media probably wasn't the healthiest because it probably was the

least balanced. Right exactly I think that's kind of where I'm struggling with the extremes of now I'm just kind of in the the media in there but yeah you know it's almost like being in a relationship you know sometimes people only feel happy when they're in tons of drama, right? When they're with somebody and they're like, oh, things are kind of good and peaceful, I'm bored. I feel like we need to be fighting or, yeah. So that's similar with exercise.

Like if you find, and you wanna revisit that, you wanna visit that, right? So it's like, okay, if I'm not extreme and it feels boring, why does this feel boring? Let me think about that for a second. Maybe work on this relationship I have with exercise. I do have a tip to get to that place that Sal's talking about where the future you

and the present you kind of get aligned and you're enjoying the process. One of the things that's always helped me through that, and it's also kind of in line with you talking about how when you have a goal, you tend to be, okay, I've got this goal to be in Vegas or where I'm going and so I'm focused on these things, is to do workouts that are unique and different to you.

Like learning a new, like I love to take somebody who trains a traditional way all the time and then switching them to one of our programs that is so different. And so then you get kind of like into the like, oh, learning a new movement that's benefiting you. It's making you stronger in different ways that you weren't. It's working muscles that you haven't really attached.

You get to watch yourself go from really weak the first time you do it to getting stronger kind of week over week. That's a very, it's a really fun process. It's like learning a new skill, you know? So I don't know what your current, I see you work out six days a week. Have you ran any of our maps programs yet?

No, I am not sure about anabolic or kind of power lift. I think power lift would be cool to see the growth, but also is anabolic more like six days a week kind of? No, no, no, it's three days a week. No, but power lift is great if you were really aesthetic focused before, because it just places it straight, you know. Completely different shift.

Just on strength. I'm going to push you there. Anytime one of our female clients is even considering power lift, I love to push them in that direction. I think there's so much value. Oh, yeah, you should do power lift. Yeah, do power lift.

Is it six days or five days? Five, I think. Five, OK. And the key to power lift is, it's going to be interesting as you go through this process is there's going to be workouts where you feel like you can add more weight to the bar or do more. Follow it the way it's laid out. Trust the process. It's all based off percentages. The programming is really great. Yes. It is designed when you, at the end of that program, you're going to be stronger than

you've ever been where people mess it up is in the middle of it. They're like, oh, I could do more. So I'd need, they think they should do more. So they do more. And that does not benefit their, their end results. Follow the way it's laid out, trust the process and enjoy it. Sounds good. Do I keep steps kind of the same?

Um, I don't do cardio now. So, Oh yeah, you're doing great. Yeah. Keep everything else the same, follow the way the program's laid out. I mean, I, we just saw a picture of you. You look like you're in a very healthy, balanced place nutritionally.

I mean, I'd even keep, listen to your body. If you, what you might notice is you might, your appetite might kick up a little bit. I want to increase calories. Yeah. And, and if it does listen to it, feed it, make good choices, you know, lead with protein first, like we always talk about. And I think you're going to do great.

I was listening to the recent podcast. I think I forgot who's on the new Chizapatite. That's me. That's me. Yeah. Yes. Yes. And you're like not eating to stuff yourself anymore.

Yeah. Yeah. The verdict is not out on who and how I would recommend this to a lot of people. It's pretty wild what I'm noticing as far as what I can tell you for sure. I'm losing muscle too. So it's not like, yeah, for somebody who wants to have muscle and- Adam would not be somebody that we would recommend take it. Yeah. No, I don't want to do it. I just, I'm curious if you think like stuffing your face, because my calories are really low. I can't eat like I eat like 2000 to 2200.

Yeah. But I just like eat more throughout the day and I don't feel like it's healthy. I think you're, I think you're fine. We just saw a picture of you. I see your, your, your, your five, ten. You look fit and healthy. Yeah, you look fit and healthy. You look really at a really good place and you're not doing cardio. You're just strength training. I think you're in a great place, especially if you feel satisfied. You don't

feel like you're stuffing. You don't feel like you're starving. You're in a nice balance. You're just providing you a new stimulus with this new program. So yeah, you'll have a lot of- If your sleep is good, if you have a good, a healthy menstrual cycle, if you feel energized throughout the day, focused, you don't have brain fog, like, you're fine, you're good. Cool, awesome. Doug will send over a power lift and stay in touch with us, let us know how the process goes.

Yeah. Sounds good, I will, thanks guys. You got it, thanks Morgan. Great, great question. Yeah, great question and great place. She looks good in head space, yeah. Yeah, we tend to over question everybody, right? Am I going in the right direction?

What's going on? Do I need to do this, that, the other? And that over questioning tends to happen when things are going well. Yeah. Especially because, yeah, you might be unfamiliar with how, you know, why you feel that way. Yeah.

I feel good, but why? You're doing good. Our next caller is Kyle from Oregon. Hi Kyle. How can we help you? Hi. It's so nice to meet you guys. I've been sipping on chamomile tea, trying to calm down.

Awesome. Okay. So, I have actually been a listener for like six years, so this is really crazy. Yeah. Thank you. Um, yeah. So, um, I have my question here. I just added some context to it and a little bit of an update and some background.

Um, so I will just go ahead and read it. Um, both my chiropractor and physical therapist have told me I might be obsessed with achieving symmetry both visually and in movement. I respect both of them and they've helped me so much but I'd like to tell them what you guys think about it. In the last couple years I've been in and out of chiro and PT care as a result of random injuries. It seemed when I was about done with the care for one injury, another injury would pop up. And it's been really frustrating

to always be fixing something. I think the reason why both of them might think that I'm hyper-focused on this is I would just report back each week, you know, how the injury's doing and how the exercises helped, but also it would like reveal other areas of weakness. Or maybe I gained new connection to the muscles, just not even in the area that I was working on.

But in addition to that, I would also talk to them about how my right elbow doesn't straighten. My upper right leg seems to be turned in, making my jeans fit weird on that side. And I've also shared something that has like haunted me for years. A long time ago, my mother-in-law had said she could tell who I was from across the football field because of the way I was walking. And so I just kind of thought, Oh gosh, I must have a really weird gate. Um, so both of my Cairo and physical therapy therapist probably felt like they were spinning their wheels with me. And so did I, um, in the last two years I've ran anabolic twice and

I've ran symmetry three times. Um, all the time in between there, I would be just working on, uh, rehabbing whatever injury had come up. Most recently, though, I finished a full round of symmetry and decided I would give performance to try. And so far, it's been really helping with some issues in my SI joint on my right side, my right glutes and my right foot and ankle. And I think the rotational work has really unlocked some muscles that were sleeping. I still have

some pain, but it's getting so much better. And specifically, I can still feel a difference in how my right foot is hitting the floor while you know, walking, standing and lifting. So I've had imbalance on my right side for years now I'm realizing this, I never knew any of this until I started listening to So I've had imbalance on my right side for years. Now I'm realizing this. I never knew any of this until I started listening to you guys. So what I wanted to know,

is it a good plan to incorporate symmetry between each new program? So for example, after performance, should I do symmetry again? And then eventually what I would like to do is get to where I can add some weight to the bar. And like I had bought power, is it power?

What is it called? Power lift. Yeah, power lift a long time ago. And I would like to be able to do something like that because I'd like to bench 135 squat 185. Those are both things. I don't think I quite got to 135 in high school, but I was close to it. And if I have those numbers completely wrong, I still feel like this is attainable. But I don't feel comfortable increasing my weight a lot until I can get these imbalances solved. And sometimes I feel like I'm trying to solve something that's not solvable.

like I'm trying to solve something that's not solvable. Um, and just working on strength is really important to me because I want to get away from chasing aesthetics. And until 2020, I have been doing that since I was 15. Um, and I just want to be a good example to people in my life who are still stuck in that mindset and I'm hoping you can help. Thank you. All right. So I need more information from your, in regards to chiropractor and PT.

What is their advice after they tell you you're obsessed or over-obsessed with achieving symmetrical balance? What do they tell you to do after that? Um, I don't, I don't recall, um, anything specific, like they weren't, they were saying it more like in a tongue and cheek way, you know, like, are you too obsessed about this?

Um, so they didn't really offer like a solution to it. like in a tongue and cheek, but you know, like are you too obsessed about this? So they didn't really offer like a solution to it. I mean, I will say it like, I will walk around the house doing stuff and I'm like, how is my right foot feeling? Do I need to stop and do some ankle stuff right? I love that. That's like a trainer mind right there.

It is, but that's also, that's not necessarily a good thing. So one of the characteristics of anxiety or just is that ruminating self-awareness, the constant thought of myself and what's happening, how do I feel and what's going on. And so if that's happening to you throughout the day, then this is becoming more of a stress than a benefit. Okay, so the reason why I asked you what their advice was

is because that would have given me more information, helped direct where I would want to go with you. If you have repeated injuries, typically, and I know you're following our programming, but typically what that means is you're either over-training, under-eating, or both. So what we may want to do is scale back on the intensity, focus a little bit on giving your body more rest

and recovery because repeated injuries can definitely come from imbalances. They could definitely come from, you know, one side moving differently on the other side. But also oftentimes it comes from you just doing too much. You might be doing too much if you're repeating, because you've ran our program so many times. I think you're running them right. I don't watch you doing the workout. So maybe doing the exercises wrong, but because you've been working out for so long, listening to the podcast, you're working with a PT, they know movement,

chiropractors sometimes know movement really well. You're probably doing too much. You're probably either going too hard or applying yourself too much. What are these injuries? Like what do they consist of? Oh yeah. Um, well, the first one, um, I hear Adam talk about every once in a while. It wasn't a bag of dog food that I had lifted, but it was a bag that I had gotten

out of the back of my car and I just had twisted around and her, I actually was my left shoulder that I heard there. So that was my first round. Then it was, um, I sprained my wrist golfing and, which I didn't know I could have such an injury doing such a calm sport. Um, and then the other one was, um, I tore my hamstring, um, uh, playing beach volleyball on vacation, like it wasn't even competitive stuff. Like it was just for fun.

How do you ever take time off? Are you like super consistent for years with your workouts? Um, I, I would love to say that I am super consistent all the time. Um, this I, in the past, like three months is probably the most consistent that I've been in a couple of years. Um, so I, I think, um, well, one thing that I'm doing a little differently this time around that I did during symmetry is, um, I really tracked my protein and just my calories, just making sure that I did during symmetry is, um, I really tracked my protein and just

my calories, just making sure that I'm eating enough, getting enough protein. And I did notice that I got quite a bit more strength gain, um, in during symmetry. I think at one point I was frustrated that it was not, I felt like it wasn't getting any results from symmetry, but I don't think I was dialed in on protein at that time, or maybe even calories. I mean, Sal, you're kind of alluding to potential like over-training, over-usage, stuff like that. I think it's more you're starting to finally kind of

dial it all in and we're just getting there right now. Like the idea of you going between symmetry and performance, I love that. And I think you're already seeing the benefits of three months of consistency of following that plan. The fact that you're going after it. And also to address the obsession with using your right hand. If it's not causing stress, I like that.

If it's causing stress and it's like a negative thing where you let go, oh my God, and you're hard on yourself, that's not a good, not a healthy thing to self-point. But man, I mean, I just flew in a plane. When I'm sitting in a plane, I recognize that I'm slouching. Then all of a sudden you'll see me sit up and retract my shoulders. If I walk up a step a certain way,

I notice if I'm always putting my weight and pressure on my, that's just my trainer brain. I'm not stressing about it, I'm like aware of it. And so I try and counter it. So how you feel about that, I think is most important. If it's causing stress, not healthy to South Point. To that point too, I do think you diving into performance and going in these multi-planar type movements where you're getting more familiar in end range

positions and rotational situations. Like from what you described, like some of these are probably abrupt, uh, you know, explosive type movements, your, your body's just reacting, maybe even overreacting, uh, because we're not training that it's not showing up in, in what you're doing in the gym. Uh, so to, to lean further into that, um, I think would be massively beneficial, especially the mobility days. Just a little discernment too. It's like, if you've ever caught yourself

talking to somebody and then thinking about how you're coming across while you're talking to that person, that would be too much self-awareness. Right, so that's what I'm talking about. Like if you find yourself thinking about yourself a lot while you're moving and walking and wearing clothes and you mentioned how your jeans fell and like ruminating a little bit,

then yeah, there might be a little too much self-awareness, which will actually impede on progress. Because like try walking and thinking about walking while you're walking, you're gonna walk weird. Like that's just what happens. It's supposed to be a natural movement. Like try, like right now, like think about blinking or breathing, all of a sudden you're breathing manually

and it's very awkward. So that's where it could become a little bit like, uh-oh, I might be a little obsessive. Now the reason why I ask you about your consistency is because there's two, with the repeated injuries what I've seen with people is either A, they overdo it too consistently, too long, they never take time off, or they stop and start and when they start they go real hard, they go too hard all at once. But how is, are you, do you think you're overplying intensity? Do you think you're working out appropriately? Like how

do you feel post-workout? Are you really sore? Do you feel like you beat yourself up? How's your sleep? Cause this will tell me a little bit more. I do try to, I try to stay pretty aware of that. Just because I've been listening to you guys for so long. I feel like I'm pretty energized after my workouts. Okay. I now I'm kind of like tracking my sleep. Like how is my sleep affected? I did a phase two yesterday.

I started phase two of performance yesterday and that actually was a lot for me. And I saw that I didn't, I don't know if this is normal but I didn't get as much deep sleep last night, for example. And so I just think maybe I need to bring the intensity down a little bit. Yes, definitely. And sometimes though, when I'm doing the mobility work on the in-between days, those are actually pretty taxing. They're way more taxing than I thought they would be. And so I actually wasn't sure,

am I supposed to do all of the things listed or just take a few of the exercise and those mobility? You could take just a few. Especially if you feel it's very taxing. Definitely listen to your body. I would cut the volume of performance down by a third. So take all the sets, cut them down by a third. If you still notice a negative effect on yours,

cause sleep will be the first thing to tell you, I'm glad you're tracking that. It'll be the first thing to tell you if you did too much. And if you see a reduction in deep sleep, that is for sure a red flag. I went a little too hard. So cut everything down by a third. And then if that doesn't do it,

cut the intensity also way down. And then that should do it. Yeah, and this also highlights the unfamiliarity with a lot of these like movements in your joint expression. Like, so, uh, take your time with that, but I would almost run it

again, you know, because this is such a novel stimulus for you. Um, and this shouldn't be that taxing for you, the mobility stuff. It's just that your, your body's going to like misuse its energy because it's, it's unfamiliar

with that, uh, process. So to kind of repeat it and get better at it and more efficient with it, you're going to notice a massive benefit. And the way I would gauge if I'm on the right track or not is not night by night sleep. I would look at my sleep for a week. So Sal just gave you a recommendation to take one third out. So basically you take one set of every exercise out. Now, don't look at just tomorrow's night's sleep because it's a workout. Look at what your total average for the week of like sleep score was and did that move it in the right direction? If it moved in the right direction, you probably moved in the right direction of intensity, right? Same thing goes with the mobility thing. Change one or two variables, give yourself a week or two

of consistency, then score yourself off of what you see the average is. And then let that be more of a guideline. Cause there's so many variables that can also affect sleep. I wouldn't want you to do the right thing on intensity, but then you also, you know, something else happens, stressful happen. And then that's really what mess up the sleep or you watch TV in bed late. So give yourself a good solid week or two of manipulating one of these variables and then, and then score it based off of that.

You, you, uh, you referred back to high school. Were you an athlete in high school? What's your background? No, I was not all, I'm like a farm girl. I had horses. I just had to carry like heavy water. All right. All right.

All right. And I was like, I thought back, I was like, I cannot believe I could do that when I was in high school. Like we were, my gym partner, you know, or my weights partner, we were like the strong girls in the class. I've met a few fun girls, we're all strong. Sure.

And so now I'm just like, after that, then the whole, you know, it was the nineties. So then it was aerobics and step aerobics. So then I just went down that and that's all I've did until like 2019, really. So, um, so I started listening to you guys. Um, yeah. So I feel like I could get back there. I hope.

But I also wrote courses and everything is just always in front of me. I've never done anything rotational. And so we just felt like performance might be the best, the best option. It is, it is. I love, yeah, poor performance. I think you're on the right track with that goal. I think that it's really just trying to figure out maybe the intensity and

what you're applying and the balance there. I think those are a great option for you. But string of injuries, one after another, when you're finding one injury, another injury, and they don't seem to be connected hamstring, wrist, and whatever typically means typically means under sleeping, over training, under eating, or all three combined. It typically means that, not always, but typically. Yeah, I'm really dialed in.

I think the protein thing has really helped. So, I mean, one major thing, but yeah. Awesome. Yeah, I can't wait to see how everything works out for you. Yeah, we will see how it goes. Awesome. Stay in touch, let us know, Kyle. Please.

All right, thank you so much. Thank you. Okay, bye. I dig the decor vibe. Oh, the total Adam thing to say. I was gonna tell her, I was like, well, we were talking about it. Who decorated your house?

What if it was one of those back, you know, those zoom screens. Oh yeah, that real. Yeah. You know, the, uh, usually, and this is just for trainers listening. If you, if you have a client and the client says these three people that I know that I work with who are professionals, experts all say the same thing, then usually there's something there.

Yeah. That's why I asked like, what else are they saying? And she doesn't remember, but I wonder if the chiropractor or professionals, experts all say the same thing. Usually there's something there. That's why I ask like what else are they saying? And she doesn't remember, but I wonder if the chiropractor and PT, you're telling her you're probably over training. Yeah, they might be telling her. Yeah, that's why I asked that because if it's both people,

then there may be some truth there as to what's going on. I also think we're still early on in like her really kind of figuring this all out. Like I think she's starting to piece things together. Like she started to do performances. Like, oh wow, I really noticed this rotation. And two of those injuries are rotational things. The wrist and shoulder issue are both,

she lacked that rotation strength and stability. Yeah, and the hamstring could also have been tied to that also, just hip stability and strength and just did something explosive. So her just doing some symmetry and performance consistently, you know, I bet she runs that back to back a couple of times, should see a dramatic improvement in that. And then also taking your advice of potentially scaling back the intensity on

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