Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2328: The Best Way to Get Good at Pull-Ups, How to Resume Training After a Vacation, Beginning Strength Training After Age 60 & More

Episode Date: May 3, 2024

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page.  Mind Pump Fit Tip: There is NO secret time to eat to lose body fat and build muscle. Listen to your body! (1:58) Boost your mood with Happy Drops from Organifi! (11:00) Slimy or fair game? The trend of hijacking your name, image and/or likeness to sell other brands' products’. (18:37) Posture straps, beneficial or a waste of money? (24:27) Natural signs of beauty that display good health vs. societal imposed ideals of beauty. (29:18) Should the death penalty exist? (34:43) The top things in science that are the murkiest, and the importance of admitting when you are wrong. (43:05) Why the delivery method matters when it comes to taking probiotics for the gut. (48:04) Mind Pump’s excitement for their car track day in Vegas. (50:32) Integrating new tech into old-school methods. (54:20) Shout out to Mind Pump Live! (1:01:06) #Quah question #1 - What can I do instead of chin-ups and dips in MAPS Anabolic? I'm in phase two and still can’t do more than one. (1:02:02) #Quah question #2 - Which is better for perfecting a pull-up? Bands or an assisted pull-up machine? (1:05:17) #Quah question #3 - How would you train a client who is coming back from vacation? Would you start slowly and get back to where you ended up before they took off? (1:08:49) #Quah question #4 - What workout routine would you recommend for my mom who is in her mid-60s? She has very little gym experience. (1:11:07) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout for 20% off** Visit Seed for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code 25MINDPUMP at checkout for 25% off your first month’s supply of Seed’s DS-01® Daily Synbiotic** May Promotion: MAPS Strong | MAPS Powerlift 50% off! ** Code MAY50 at checkout ** Mind Pump Partners The History of Hysteria | Office for Science and Society How a psychiatry professor accidentally discovered he was a psychopath Science - Seed Turo car rental marketplace | Car rentals, reimagined See and hang out with Mind Pump, LIVE! Saturday, June 15 · 1pm PDT Bellagio Las Vegas. Click the link here for more details.  Visit biOptimizers for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP10 at checkout for 10% off your order** How to Use the Assisted Pull Up Machine in Your Next Workout The RIGHT WAY To Do More Pull-Ups (Make Them EASY!) How To Do A Pull Up | Banded Pull Up Regression (TRY THIS) MAPS Starter   Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Andrew Huberman, Ph.D. (@hubermanlab) Instagram Drew Canole (@drewcanole) Instagram Dr. Stephen Cabral (@stephencabral) Instagram  

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind Pump with your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schafer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the most downloaded fitness, health, and entertainment podcast. This is Mind Pump. In today's episode, we answered listeners' questions, but this was after an intro portion. Today was 59 minutes long. That's where we talk about current events, lives family stuff studies much more by the way You can check the show notes

We have timestamps there if you want to skip around your favorite parts Also, if you want to ask us a question that we can choose for an episode like this one go to Instagram at mind pump media That's where you could post it. By the way, we have a live event coming up in Las Vegas You can meet us, ask us questions. It's limited. There's limited amount of seats available. It's at mindpumplive.com. Come find this.

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What about after you work out? Should you eat something right away or is it okay to wait? Now I know what the data says but here's what I'm gonna tell you. It doesn't matter. We're splitting hairs here. In fact, here's what you should listen to. Your body. What makes you feel the best? Eating and then working out or working out fasted? What about after your workout? You feel best if you wait a little bit? Then do that. Sometimes we get so inundated with data and we listen to it and we follow it,

and we go against what makes us feel best. And this actually takes away from our progress. So at the end of the day, listen to your body. Should I brush my teeth? Should I put my clothes on first? What do you think? That's totally different. Yes, yes, you should brush your teeth.

Same thing, same thing to me. That matters. When though, maybe, maybe that's, you could argue that. You know, we actually, remember, remember early on we used to discuss that we hadn't discussed this actually in a really long time. It was like, um, because we're all different. If I remember, I know you, our opinions are different on how we

feel. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh no. Our opinions are, are the same of, uh, it doesn't matter. It's you're splitting hairs. I mean, and God, this was so in the, the bodybuilding space. This is like really like over the top, you know what I'm saying, where guys are carrying meals in their bags and taking breaks and eating in the middle of their workout or eating in the locker room and stuff like that to time the anabolic window.

Well, each one of those windows, like otherwise, yeah, who knows, also might fall off. When you're doing rocket science and you're trying to get a rocket to space, then the kind of paint you use and every gram you add on the rocket makes a difference. But this isn't rocket science. Again, if you're a bodybuilder and you're competing at the highest levels and you've done everything else, then you start to look at these ridiculous small things.

Real granular. But for the average person, this literally doesn't make a difference at all. It makes no difference. The difference is which one makes you feel the best. That's what matters. The purpose of me actually bringing the competitors up, and you're right, it's like, analogy, another analogy, is like race cars with spoilers and little things like that.

That makes a difference. Throwing that on your Honda Civic makes no sense. Yeah, before you make the engine bigger. Right, right. So, but even then, and the reason why I brought them up is that I never gave a shit about that and I did just fine competing. So even at the highest level of all the things, because even like, yeah, I looked at that stuff or I paid attention to it, but there was always something else going on, whether that be optimizing my sleep more. Maximizing your volume.

Right, or having a better lifting session or doing something to recover better. Like those things move the needle so much more than like trying to time the anabolic window that it was like, I've always got somewhere else to improve more. So even though I aware of it, I could, you could justify it for a high level bodybuilder like I've always got somewhere else to improve more. So even though I aware of it,

you could justify it for a high level bodybuilder, even then it's like splitting hairs. No, and the reason why I'm bringing this up is I just read this study, they were following these like fitness trackers on obese individuals. And the article said, what's the best time for activity in terms of, you know, your progress?

And they said, well, according to the data, you're better off doing a lot of your activity in the evening versus the morning. And I just, you know, I shake my head because, okay, great study, whatever. First of all, the difference was minimal. Second, it was observational, meaning we don't know what other behaviors that people engage in who do it in the evening versus the morning that could also contribute to that. And then third, the average person looking at that who's getting started may think that's important. They may think to themselves, oh, this is something I need to pay attention to. Even though I don't like to work out at night and it works better for me to work

out in the morning, I'm going to do it this way because this study said that that's a better way to do that. That's the wrong way to look at things. It's like when a client would ask us, what's the best form of cardio? The answer was always the cardio you like to do the most because it doesn't matter if this machine burns 15% more calories than this other one, the one you like

is the one you're gonna do. Yeah, it's interesting to think about, I always just had this thought that with the emergence of podcasts and more more in depth information, like, you know, besides what we're trying to do in terms of like, uh, making it more relatable and just focusing on the main things. Like I feel like there's a lot of podcasts though that get into the minutiae

and like really highlight like this biohack and then, you know, do this first thing in the morning. And it's like, they make it sound so crucial that like everybody has to be doing these like ridiculously nuanced things. Who does that? Huberman does that a lot. A lot of I mean we when we first entered the space that was we weren't there we weren't the first fitness podcast there was other fitness but when we listened to all of them we're like this is not the conversation I have with my clients. No and that's what I think that went through all

of our head from uh just from a business perspective is like, okay, all these people are ultimately trying to build a business. That's why they're using these podcasts, whether it's to support their current one and grow it or to actually start a business. And if we're in the business of helping the general population, which most all trainers are, then what are you doing having those conversations? And that's not serving the masses of the community. You're speaking to the least likely customer, which is the person who is already neurotic, reading, already maybe a coach or a trainer.

They're not buying programs, they're not buying anything from you that's related to deaf fitness. And you're not helping them anyway. They're looking for the new shiny, like nuanced thing to focus on too. They need to hear, do less, relax, calm down. Like that's what that person needs to hear, you know, type of deal. You know, by the way, I, I understand because I was at one point,

I was this kid looking for the secret answer. I was this kid trying to build muscle. And I remember I've brought this up so many times, uh, Joe is his name. I hope he listens to podcasts. He's, he's got to be in his sixties now. He was a family friend and he was this chiropractor, but he was a bodybuilder. He was Jack. He was above this guy I knew in person. And I remember every time he'd come over,

my cousin and I were super into working out. So every time he'd come over, we'd be like, oh, Joe's here. And we'd always kind of follow him around and we'd try to ask him questions about workouts. And he took me aside one day. I said, Joe, he's like, you saw that I was working out. I think I was at this point, I was 16.

I'd been working out consistently for two years so he could tell I was really into it. He takes me aside. He goes, all right, this is what you gotta do. He goes, if you wanna get big, this is what you gotta do. He goes, train your whole body three days a week. He goes, and I want you to eat a lot of chicken, a lot of eggs, drink milk, eat a lot of tuna fish, try to eat a lot

like four times a day, and then he goes, and get good sleep, and he goes, and you'll totally grow. And I swore to God when he left, I remember thinking, literally thought to myself, and I told my cousin this. I'm like, he's so full of shit, I looked at my cousin and said, I bet my dad told him to tell him that.

Like, he don't want to tell me. Like the real, he was telling me the real stuff. So I get it because the average person, they'll read an article that says, you know, wait 45 minutes after you wake up to drink your coffee because blah, blah, blah, blah, or do this new, you know, special whatever hack. And this is like, that's the one thing that I haven't tried yet. That's gotta be the secret. Now here's what we tell the coaches and trainers, because the coaches and trainers out there who are trying to make a difference, they know the truth. They know that that stuff doesn't move the needle.

And this is what we tell them. You got to tell them the truth, but you got to sell it better than the other guys are selling the other crap. So literally our podcast, the reason why it became the top podcast wasn't because we were selling, talking about the newest craziest biohacks, it's 99% bullshit. It's because we told people what to do with the truth we just had to sell it better we just had to communicate it better so now the average person goes you know I've heard that before but the way those guys say

it now it makes sense I think I want to I want to try it out you know part of the problem is too though and I'm so glad that we started it the way we did you know originally when we first started the show there was this you know we we knew we had programs right and that would be the way we did. Originally when we first started the show, there was this, we knew we had programs, right? And that would be the way we would monetize. And traditionally, most people monetize podcasts through ad revenue. And when you first get started

and you're just starting to grow and scale, ad revenue looks like affiliations, not actual true sponsorship, like just an ad or a commercial. And what that ends up doing is it ties the podcaster to the outcome of how many sales it makes. And so what that ends up doing subconsciously or actively they do it, is that you steer your content

around selling it because it's the only way your podcast is generating revenue is that, oh, if we sell X amount of units, I make a percentage of that, and we never did that. And that was like something that we were really adamant about when we first started this. We have many sponsors that sell supplements, and you'll hear us often say

that supplements will maybe give you 1% of what you're looking for. Now the reason why our sponsors haven't left is because people still go over to them because they trust us because we're honest. So I'm hoping that we're proving that model. I'm hoping that other fitness companies listen to this and go, we don't have to lie, we don't have to bullshit. I think if we're honest, we'll still be able to sell products, but we don't have to lie about it. That's the hope. Speaking of supplements, here's your transition to our commercial

since we went this direction. And I don't know if you saw me doing, I had the IG story today and I was just, I just had an IG story. You want to do all your supplements as gummies? Yes and so I know there's a lot of hate out there, right? Like there's a ton of hate of like this is ridiculous, gummies, that you're added sugar and blah blah blah. It's minimal, it's so minimal. But here's the thing though. Like I've never seen you so consistent with supplements in my life. I take them.

So I'm on a mission to find every supplement I'm supposed to take in gummy form. Listen, the only reason why. It's like having a bag of gummies every day for me. Once I can turn them into cheese, dude. I'm pretty good right now. This is the truth, this is 100% truth, that Adam is a massive pain, both Adam and Justin

are pains in the ass when it comes to taking supplements. They just don't. The only reason why they're consistent with supplements is because they're partnered with a borderline, well I don't always say borderline, I'm a fanatic. So I give them shit every day. Every day I'll show up and be like, here's your supplements, here's your supplements.

Otherwise they won't take it. I've never seen Adam or Justin be as consistent with supplements since Orgetafly had them. I feel like a little kid sometimes. Like, I don't want to take my pills. F it, I don't care, dude. I swear it's like, it's got me to be more consistent. By the way, so they drop these, right? I can talk about that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can talk about Happy Drops. So Organifi has a new product. Dude, how good are those, man? Okay, so these are called Happy Drops. Yeah, tell me what's in them. What am I having? Okay, so. Since I've been taking them consistently.

So they're mood lifting supplement. Now, when I first saw this, I'm gonna go ahead and do a little bit of a I didn't even know what she was until they introduced it. I know you knew, but I didn't know what it was. People are going to follow them. So happy drops are literally is a mood lifting supplement. So I saw this, and I'm like, all right, what did they put in there? Like tons of caffeine? That's the only thing to think about. No, they didn't. Here's what they put.

I'll read all the ingredients, but I'll tell you the one that's exciting. So they have passion flower. Passion flower is a natural enzylalytic, so it kind of reduces anxiety. Gotu Cola, that's a little bit of a mild stimulant. So it's not like caffeine, but it's a mild stimulant. Ginger, saffron.

Ginger, saffron. In fact, there's a type of saffron called Saffractiv. So this is a brand name of an extract of saffron. I was not familiar with saffron in supplement form. So I got this and I started reading a bit about it. It's got a ton of data supporting it as an antidepressant. It raises and it's been shown in study. Yes, it's been shown in studies to work kind of like an SSRI.

Raising serotonin and dopamine in the brain. Now it's natural. It's natural. You know what else it has a lot of data supporting? So we were on the phone with Drew the other day. We talked to him sometimes. He's the founder of Organifi. I love the guys.

He's hilarious. And he goes, hey, what do you guys think of the Happy Drops? And we're like, oh, they're great. And he goes, we're getting a bunch of DMs from women who are saying it's making them horny. Oh, I forgot about that. Yes. I'm like, what?

Horny? Yeah, I just bought a bunch of boxes. Just personally. Just like this at home. A serving is two, by the way. Anyway. Oh, I thought bought a bunch of boxes. Just personally. Just like this at home. A serving is two, by the way. Anyway. Oh, I thought it was 10. I looked it up.

I looked it up. It's been shown to be a libido enhancer. In particular. Really? Yes, in particular in women. Now, do you think that's connected or just a correlation too that you feel better, therefore you're more likely? It's the dopamine.

Oh, it's that. Yeah, you raise dopamine and serotonin to an extent, but dopamine in particular, dopamine tends to make people wanna, yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, so I looked it up and there it is, that's it. So now watch, Mark, my words,

you're gonna have a lot of companies not come out with that stuff. It's a cool unintended side effect. Did Drew say when they formulated, that was part of the intent? Or is that just what they're finding out as a? No, the main effect is mood lifting. But saffron's also, it's also been shown

to be like potent antioxidant. I mean, how many times, when the wife says she's not in the mood, you know what I'm saying? Not in the mood. I think the test is how many times you see the sweatpants come on, you know? Check. Yeah.

Not tonight. Just put them in the bag of gummy bears. This is a different gummy bear. Eat it. You know, take your vitamins. I mean, I love the fact that you can't, you can get it. I mean, I've got my vitamin D like that now. I'm taking the Cilajit like that.

I got the happy drops like that. I mean. You know, they're not the only one that that market has exploded. I think that they've, they've, they've locked in one of the, by the way, I don't know if you guys know this, the data on how often people don't take their pharmaceuticals, their prescribed medications, do you know that's a big problem? Yes. It's a huge, did you know that people? Do I know? It's a challenge for me,

admittedly. I know that I have gone and we have our friends like Cabral, who we have access to pretty much for free. They charge thousands of dollars, get these tests back and told, take this, take this, here's what you need to do. I still struggle. Like, that's crazy. Did you know that the data shows that people are more consistent with giving their pets

their pharmaceutical prescriptions than themselves? So what they found is, like you said, a gummy means that now they have to put it in different form, but people are just more consistent because they like it. So it's crazy to me, Sal, that we're just kind of getting, I mean, we've had it for kids for a very long time. Why is it just taking, why is it taking that long?

Nobody thought about it. And we've known that data. Nobody thought about it. It's like, adults will take care of it. Nobody thought about've know that we've known that data. Nobody thought about that. It's like adults will take care of nobody thought about it until parents adults started buying kids Supplements for themselves and then they started figuring it out. Then the market went Oh, wait a minute. Why are adults buying this from them and there were crushing sales with these kids multivitamins that are gummies Yeah, like oh people like gummies. I mean, it's a combination of it tastes good,

it's easy, it's convenient. You don't need to wash it down with a fluid. So like you carry it in your bag anywhere and you can just take it, chew it, chew it up. I wonder too, this is not a huge side effect, but some people, this happens to my wife, if she takes supplements, pills on an empty stomach, she gets nauseous.

So she has to take- It's only for like a multivitamin for me. You're like that with a multivitamin yes nauseous if I don't mean so I'm wondering if you when you eat it no gummy form get me because it's got it's got gelatin and maybe a tiny bit of sugar I don't know I haven't tried a multivitamin gummy but I would assume that that there's something I want the multivitamin that causes that kind of nausea when you when you have an empty stomach that's super common.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Super common. It's only that supplement. By the way, it doesn't happen to me. I could take 85 pills of everything at the same time. Total empty stomach. Your gut's a different thing. I feel totally fine.

So Doug, are you like that? Can you take a multivitamin on an empty stomach? No, I cannot. Yeah. You know, it took me a long time actually to piece that together. Like I remember when I first started as a trainer because no one had said that to me and I'd have just these random days where I'd be nauseous. I mean, why am I just nauseous like that?

And I was like, Oh, it's every time I have a multivitamin on an empty stomach. That literally happened to me. The one time I went to early morning workouts for the football team, like, and I got there and I was just, I took a multivitamin before that, just drank some water and was like running and doing laps. And I got so sick, I like had to stop and like projectile vomited. And the coaches all thought I like had went out that night,

you know, past curfew or something and got all drunk and like, you're gonna have a rough practice today. It's a nasty, it's not like mild, it's like- No, no, you wanna vomit. Yeah, it'll bother me until I eat something and then that gets digested. It still takes like another hour or two. So I'll feel awful for a couple hours.

It's weird because I get nauseous hella easy. Motion sickness hella easy. Yeah, but not that. Supplements, never. I've never taken a supplement that made me nauseous. That's funny. I know, I was made for them. Hey, you know what's funny?

So my voice is still strained. I don't understand why is it taking so long? Like a little bit of laryngitis or whatever. And it made me think of something. So I've been getting messages and this is happening a lot. By the way, I haven't seen it happen with you guys yet. You just gotta stop yelling at everybody. I haven't, that's racist wax, I'm gonna tell you.

I haven't seen this happen to you guys yet. But this already happened to me now, like at least six times. There's companies that are using my face, my image, my voice, AI, switching it to selling their bullshit products that we're not affiliated with. I've seen it happen so many times.

And I also want to tell you guys it's not happening with you. Most likely because you do all the talking. Yeah, I was gonna say that. Probably. They got to sift through a lot of volume before they get to this is what I say. This sells them. No, so it's happening a lot and it's weird, dude.

It's really weird, I don't know how I feel about it. It's making me a little bit it's just strange because people are are posting in the forum and I see a clip and it's me talking then it goes over to commercial and then it's my voice is still yeah but now I'm saying a bunch of shit I never said and I'm promoting some other product I'm like that's sketchy it is weird because I saw I obviously I've seen like Rogan clips would have done that to him and I've seen that with like Huberman like a lot of other podcasts, but that seems to be a trend right now to try and hijack

These platforms to sell their own product on Instagram or it's like I've seen it too. Is it though? It's not really if it what's slimy slimy. No me. Well, no, so there's two ones I've there's two different types. I've seen that people are using of you. I have seen the AI generated one where someone literally manipulates your voice to say their brand and you've never said their brand before. That's slimy. But I've seen other brands that were smart and strategic.

They take clips of you dropping science or referring to a product or whatever and why you like it or the benefits of it. And then it clips away from you and shows like someone working out and then somebody else is talking about their brand. That's just shitty AI. I've listened to it again. It's trying to make my voice. It's a different voice. Yeah, thank you. In the forum even people were saying... The guy sounds a bit like you. It's not shitty AI because AI could do such a better job. Okay, fine.

Whatever. It's still implying. It does imply that. That's smart marketing though. I mean, one, when we put our information out there. Let me ask you this. Would you ever do that? Would you ever get someone else that's not doing what I said?

I think it's smart. Who would you pose? If so, for example, if we had, say, Andrew Huberman, who's, you know, like everybody talks about right now, was talking about full body workouts and how much it's the best way to do things and all the research and the studies, and then it clips over, I would have our team clip over

to people doing part of our program from MAPS, and then one of our voices talking about our program and then sell it, that's smart. That's not bad marketing. I think it's slimy. No, it's not, it's not slimy at all. I think I'm watching it and it implies that I'm working with them or selling the product is what it looked like to me and it's annoying.

Well, okay, kind of, but to me it's fair game. It's fair game, you truly said it. Yeah. And then it aligns with our brand or what we're marketing. Well the weird part is this, whether you agree or not, whatever, the weird part is this, whether you agree or not, whatever, the weird part is this is that it's getting really weird, dude.

We're not far away from people being able to fuck with each other in big ways. Well, yeah, I think manipulating CGI stuff with someone's face and truly using AI to say something you didn't say, that's, I think. But I think the other way is fair I Mean Doug, what do you think from a marketing perspective? Yeah, I think it's fair. I think so, too Yeah, not that we are happy about it. Yeah, right or endorse those products. I don't think it's illegal, but

It's great. Well, I mean, it's like anybody who's an authority you want to use their information Implies that I'm selling their product or well it does if your voice says you're selling their product, but it doesn't if they clip away from you. I mean, that's kind of hazy there, because somebody could put two and two together and think, oh, wow, Sal likes it. That's what makes it smart. What makes it smart is, to your point,

that it kind of implies it. Well, it kind of does, because you're endorsing this way of training, and then it clips over to their pro, someone talking about their product. But I mean, that's what makes it smart is that your face and your lips saying all that, you know, yeah, that's different. That's, but, but you like, like on YouTube, though, this is how a lot of these streamers, like they make their, their bones, like they'll take clips from authority people and then they'll wrap it in with like graphics

and all this and then they'll try and like recap it. And I don't know, it's not like that much different than that I guess. Well think about the Journeyman, right? That clip was repurposed hundreds of times. Yet we didn't care because it was not promoted. Yeah, but that was just more like, I see where you're trying to go with that.

I don't know, it kind of bothers me because it implies that I'm working with the company I've never approved whatever the product is. Here's what I don't want to happen okay? What I don't want to and this hasn't happened yet so I'm not saying this has happened but what I don't want to happen is for somebody a fan or whatever to get misdirected to buy some shit to hurt themselves or to believe that we said something we didn't say. That's what I don't. I mean that's wrong. But if it's something you said and you definitely said it and it aligns with my brand

like say like I've seen the rubber bands one and you have definitely said the benefits of rubber bands and you say that and then it clips to me selling rubber my product which is rubber bands or whatever like that's fair game and it aligns with what you're saying I don't see anything wrong with that. Anyway, good marketing for the audience. If they want to know what we do endorse, it's on mind pump partners.com. Yeah, that's the only place you'll find. If you ever have a question, go there. We have, I'm glad you brought that up because I actually still have to answer a lot of DMS that way. Like any time that we, we really talk about products and you want discount codes or access to those, those companies. really talk about products and you want discount codes or access to those companies, it's always at mindpumppartners.com. Speaking of crappy companies, Justin brought this up and this resurfaces every once in

a while in the, I don't know, I guess you could put this in a health space. These posture straps you just showed me. Oh yeah. I've seen those come in and out of our space. I saw these, yeah, it was at that convention. I was at two and they were trying to explain their way through it. And it's like, I understand the thought process of your average person is like, well, this

could help them at least get into that position, and maybe this will, obviously, it's going to feel better when you're in alignment, and you're stacked, and you're in good posture. But there's no like, this is basically like a cast at that point. It's a crutch. It's a crutch. Not just a crutch. There's no, yeah, there was no like mobility, any kind of like programming to like help you to achieve that muscly on your own. Well, what it does is these straps that hold you in better posture, right? What they do is they put you in better posture,

but now the muscles involved with doing that, not only are they already weak because you can't do it, they're going to get weaker. It's replacing them. No, they're going to get weaker. You're going to actually make yourself much worse because now you're in a position. You become reliant on the strap.

And it makes things. Now just playing devil's advocate though, because I agree with you guys. And we've talked about these straps before. The first time I saw them, they were in those airplane, you know, in the airplane magazines where they have all kinds of random... you ever seen those random stuff there? Does anybody buy things from those magazines? I mean, somebody has to or else they wouldn't spend money in there, right? So, someone does.

Huge bag of the day. But yeah, so that was the first time I'd ever seen those. And I think we clowned on them years ago how ridiculous it was for all the points that we're making I do know though I I mean if I was personally using I know how to use it to be a beneficial thing So if you were if you were actively doing it with a program, I could see the the benefit of it It'd be like cuz like right now. I'm sorry external kind of feedback. So you at least get them in that position Yeah, they're aware of it and you're also Stretching the muscles that are overactive from that poor posture too, right? So you're opening up the muscles that are already shortened and tightened because you're

always in this like rounded position. Now, again, this is just me playing devil's advocate. I don't agree. I think it's terrible for 95% of the people. But if I was training somebody or I was doing- When would you have them wear it? in like sitting down like you all day when they're at work at a computer or a desk and then, and then I would see you twice. And then I would have them get up and do band pull apart. It's like we already take it off and then work. Yeah. Yeah. So I could find a way to, cause you're also getting what you are doing is because so from that,

like you get put in that position, like, so, okay, or okay let's say I'm not I don't have the strap on everything I do right I do from this this bad rounded position and so I'm only forming that anymore at least if I have the same point here now I have to get used to moving all my other muscles from that position so that has some positive benefit I am weakening that still without adding exercise to strengthen I'm wondering how the overcompensations though would happen because you're not holding yourself in that position, then having to overcompensate with other patterns to perform what you're trying to perform. It's an interesting thought. Yeah, I mean I think the clear thought though,

the clear thing is like it's no different than if you have weak legs. So what you do is you attach yourself to a machine that makes you walk, but the machine itself is doing the walking. Now you can walk, but whatever strength you did have in your legs is gonna be gone. Yeah, if you don't have any sort of plans to strength train with it, then it's absolutely a terrible idea. It's like the weight belt that you see.

But like to your point like that, that's how you rehab a knee. You rehab a knee surgery where you have a machine that's manually doing it all for you at first. Oh, belt that you see. But to your point like that, that's how you rehab a knee. You rehab a knee surgery where you have a machine that's manually doing it all for you at first. Oh, but that's different. That's the get back range of motion because things are tight after surgery, which definitely, that's a different story.

But you know what it reminds me of, like the guys at Home Depot that will wear the weight belts. All day long, yeah. Yeah, like they're making their back weaker. So the minute they take it off and they're at home and they pick up like a lighter box. So you know what a good example of this is? Do you guys remember, do you guys ever read

Guinness Book of World Records when you were kids? Yeah. Do you remember the women with the longest necks in the world? Do you remember those? I don't remember what country it was, but they were Africa. Yeah, they stacked rings. They stacked the rings.

Yeah, so it was some African nation. They would stack these rings and then they couldn't take the rings off because their neck muscles had gotten so weak that when they would take them off, yeah, it would cause lots of problems. It's like that, right? They would get supported by the rings

and you take them off and then. Yeah, I mean, everything you're giving is all these examples of someone not adding extra. And of course, that's why I think we all agree, they're terrible. My point of playing devil's advocate is just like, I could see how I could use it as a potential tool, but I don't think it's yeah you know oh what what country is that Myanmar where Myanmar that's not enough African nation at all

there was another country that did it to them are used to be Burma I believe was it yeah what an interesting practice I was actually having this conversation with my my 14 year old like a long dude. We were talking about, like, we were talking about how society can, like, there's natural, there are natural signs of beauty that I think are objective, that display good health, and then there's societal-imposed ideals of beauty. So we're having this conversation about this, right? Like, and I brought up that example,

and I talked about foot binding. She never heard of foot binding. Really? Yeah. No. And so she's like, what did they do? I'm like, well, ever since they were little, these women in China would, they'd wrap their feet up, their feet up, and they'd have these tiny little feet. And she's like, we keep their foot small. I said, no, I said, well, do you want to look up the images? So she did. Yeah. It makes the foot like fold over like a, like a hoof.

And then we talked about corsets and what that did to women and the, you know, the, the 18th and they have like fainting couches just because of that. Like every now and then they couldn't breathe fully. You can't breathe. You can't expand your lungs fully. That's where the whole crazy is that that has made its way back, which is crazy to me. Thanks. Kardashians just rebranded. Isn't that funny that that became, it was so common that that was just, oh, women faint sometimes.

Yeah, exactly. That's what they do. I know. Oh, we need furniture for this. Oh, honey, we're by the couch real quick. Nevermind fixing the root cause, right? Dude, that's a hack, though, if the party's really boring and you just want an out.

It's just, ah. Yeah, do you know? I would do that. Hey, honey, if the party's really boring and you just want an out, it's just, ah. Yeah, do you know? I would do that. Hey honey, if I cough three times, I want you to pass out. I'm gonna take that roof off. Did you know that there was an official medical diagnosis? I think they took it out, not that long ago,

like it was like in the 1940s, I might have taken it up, 30s, do you know they used to have an official medical diagnosis for women called hysteria? Do you know this? Do you know this? What was it? Hysteria? Hysteria, and then the cure was basically a vibrator.

Like your wife's acting irrational. That, isn't that when they used to go do that like shock therapy to them to try and solve it? They would use a vibrator. Yeah, they'd use a vibrator. Oh, that's the vibrator story. I shared that story a long time ago. I remember that now.

Look up, when was hysteria taking out as like an official medical diagnosis? You imagine that you're a woman and your husband's acting like this. Your husband takes you to the doctor and the doctor's like, listen, you're suffering from hysteria. She's like, he beats me.

What I think is so crazy is when conversations like this is like. 1980. What? Wow! All the way to 1980? Hold on a second. Whoa. Hold on a second. Whoa.

Hold on a second. In the 1970s, you could get diagnosed with hysteria? Dude, that's... They called it hysterical neurosis. What were the symptoms of this? I gotta see what this is. Look up the symptoms of hysterical neurosis. The part about this that it trips me out

is the people like today, that like whatever science says or whatever the doctors are saying right now is the truth and you guys, you're denying science. They've never been wrong before. Yeah, it's like, and here's these crazy examples of like people being prescribed. Science is a process, it's not like the result.

Like it's so frustrating to hear people say that. Like, you know, believe the science. And I'm like, yeah, well, science is like, you're continually proving your hypothesis, which becomes, you know, you have to go through like all of the empirical data and evidence. It's a scientific method. It's a process. You're going to love this definition. What's the definition? Hysterical neurosis. Individuals with hysterical neurosis suffer from recurrent frustration and

victim mentality, always exaggerating the negative aspects of their lives and worrying unhealthily about all sorts of issues, obsessing over things beyond their control. Wow. So everybody on social media needs this library. We need to bring it back. You're all hysterical. Okay.

So you know what? I'm surprised they took it out because think of all the drugs you could prescribe for something like that. I'm sure though, what they did is they took that and because think of all the drugs you could prescribe for something like that I'm sure though what they did is they took that and some of those fall into OCD Divided them up and made more. Yeah, you're right. That's like three different prescriptions Well, you not only have that you have this and this too actually look up that's like when I found out I think I brought this up a while back But like when I found out the last time somebody when when they stopped actually like using the guillotine to like execute people.

It was like not that long ago. Yeah, it was like the 70s or something. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Is it this? That's correct, we looked it up once. Wow.

It would drop. Remind me, also remind me. I was like wow. What was the original reason for Kellogg's? What was his? To keep people from jerking off. That's what it was. Yeah. Yeah, I think that was. Literally, literally, this is how he, this is what he did. He says,

I'm gonna make a breakfast. He believed Kellogg was a doctor and he believed that chronic masturbation was this whatever and he said that foods that are too tasty or too stimulating encourage masturbation. So he created a food that was so bland, that's literally what it said. I'm gonna make a food so bland, you're not gonna wanna touch yourself. And now we turn it into cereal, we sell it to people. Yeah, we sell it to kids, really crazy. Yeah, well I say like the evolution of that

is Frosted Flakes, right? Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah, the extreme of that, right? 1977 was the last time the guillotine was used. Wow. You think about it. Hysteria in the 80s and 77 with a guillotine. That's wild.

I know. How can you do that though, right? Like you just... Just maintaining it at least. Who's the guy that pulls the thing? Medieval practices. I don't know, but think about the electric chair or something else. Yeah, electric chair is pretty crucial too. Pretty fucked up. Yeah.

We had to put a bag over our face so you can't see the face. The lethal injection, I think that's probably the... Are you guys... So, all right, so here we go, controversial. Are you guys like, like, are you guys, do you guys like the death penalty? You guys think that should exist? In general? Yeah. You do?

But it, yeah, it depends. I mean, obviously, eye for an eye. I'm very mixed on it. I'm, I'm totally against it. I'm, yeah. Really? Yeah. You know why?

Because you can make mistakes, for sure. That's the only reason. Well, I definitely believe- That's the only thing that catches me is to have like, because there are people that have been executed wrongfully. There's a lot of people in jail wrongfully. I know. That is a conundrum. That's why I'm not like, yeah, kill them.

Listen, listen, I'll be straight out. You're not excited about it. If somebody did something to my family or my kids, I would want to personally kill them myself. So I'm not saying, you know, it depends. What I am saying is we've made mistakes. Is it a deterrent though? It's I think the evidence shows it's not.

Does it? No, I think the evidence shows it is not like that. Yeah. That it doesn't deter, uh, people from, from any crimes. Yeah. Only because like for me, it's, it's like a consequentially, like so I just feel like we've removed a lot of like really severe consequences from society to where now it's so watered down. Like I just see more crime.

Yeah. I think, uh, I think you're right. What about cutting your hand off or stealing? Well, that's, Oh, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. That's crazy. Other cultures don't think so. No, well you No, bro. You cut someone. And again, what if we get it wrong? I bet that works as a deterrent, though.

To steal? Yeah. To not steal? Yeah. So does throwing them in jail, which we don't do that anymore. Now you can steal. You live in San Francisco. You think throwing people in jail is a deterrent?

For theft? Absolutely. Yeah, I don't think so. Oh, yeah? Well, look what happened in San Francisco when they made it so that you had to steal over $1,000 to go to jail. Now theft went through the roof with all these criminals that are stealing out of cars and stuff like that

because they don't go anywhere. So it's definitely a deterrent. Imagine if you cut their hands off. Bro. I can't believe you did. Imagine if you cut their hands off, how much they would be stealing. Bro, you've given someone a life sentence for stealing

because now they walk around with no hand. Everybody knows for the most part. Oh, how'd you lose that hand? I mean and imagine how many young kids growing up would know that law and that rule and would definitely not want to steal because they want to keep your hands. What about neutering pedophiles? Oh yeah. I'm for it. You know again, again I'm afraid that we make mistakes but yeah you talk about pedophiles. We're gonna make mistakes across all board. Well, going back to the death penalty and the people that were innocently killed,

I mean, to me, what's more wrong with that is that, like, how that came about. Like, I definitely don't think it should happen unless beyond a shadow of a doubt that we know. The person has to have admitted, yes, I killed them, or we have, like, visual proof. We still have made mistakes. Well, that's what I'm saying, but not because of that.

If someone saw them kill them or they admitted. No, did you know that there's cases where people say, yeah, I did it, I admit it. They have evidence, they kill them. Later on they find out DNA. No, the guy was just crazy. And they said they did it, but they didn't. There's actual stories like that.

It's weird, it's wild. Yeah. It's crazy. I don't know, yeah, I don't know. I don't know how. The other part of me that is- It's not perfect, I mean- Here's the other part of me that doesn't like it. The only legal entity in the world that can kill people is also the entity that I trust the least.

Right, it's tough. Who are we empowering to make that decision? The government, man. It's like, okay, they could kill. We can now kill people if we think they're a terrorist, but we don't have to go through judge, trial, or jury. We can imprison them forever, and if they're overseas, we can kill them.

We did, Obama did. He drone bombed some kid, and there was no, they didn't take it to court or anything. They just said, oh, he's a terrorist, and he's overseas, therefore, it's a war scenario. So they droned him and his dad, which is kind of crazy. It's crazy. So then in your opinion, then like,

instead of death penalty, you just put him in jail for life or whatever. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I mean, I guess that's, cause that's pretty damn miserable too, right? You know what the big issues are, truthfully, is I think what Justin was kind of alluding to, which is property crime,

like property crime, hurting people, you know, stealing, that kind of stuffuding to, which is property crime, like property crime, hurting people, stealing, that kind of stuff, should be punished. Those are the things that should be punished more severely. That's really, yeah, that's what it most sees in me is hurting somebody else. For sure, that's the big one. Yeah, just to really put that out there, like we're not gonna tolerate this.

Yeah. And that's, I don't like the fact that people, because I'm all for redemption too, and then that's, and I don't like, I don't like the fact that like people, cause they, I'm all for redemption too, you know? And then that's the thing, but if there's no signs of redemption or like, you know, what's interesting too is that we get further along with science, like how we'll be able to identify, you know, uh, brain patterns and people early on and like see kind of like, cause they're, they're looking into like what makes a serial killer and like, you know, sometimes there's like genetic

factors. And I think, I think of what one of the a serial killer and like, you know, sometimes there's like genetic factors. And I think, I think one of the things that should happen is, is the loosening of the laws in the self-defense area. So like you come in my house to steal my shit and you get shot. That's your bad. Like, you know, whether you were armed or not armed, you in

enter my property to steal some shit. I agree on that. If you come in or you attack my wife, you attack me, you attack my family or my kids, you get shot. That's's your bad how is that any different than then you know executing somebody for actually doing the crime yeah it's when it's in the act that's different if you're defending yourself in the act so okay so you see don't so it's actually real time yes versus like a committee yeah like trying to exactly I say like and it's in it's up to me to be able to protect myself that way.

So I wish it was. It's different than like if somebody stole your shit and then a week later. So it's more like Wild West. Yes. I like Wild West. No, I mean, no, it's not Wild West. Look, here's a little close. Step outside 20 paces, bro.

No, this is. Stop. This is all a slippery slope. It is. Well, that's why it's so complicated. We're going to hate from this, so we're already in it. So let's do it. That's why it's so complicated.

Wild West is this. somebody breaks in your house, they escape, you find them a week later, and then you kill them, that's wrong. If they're in your house in the process, and you shoot them. That's self-defense. That's what I'm, I just think that we've gotten so ridiculous, especially in the state of California

with stuff like that, it's like, I feel like you're almost afraid to defend yourself. I mean, I paid for all this insurance, so I had to protect myself, that in case someone comes in to kill us and I shoot them, I have some sort of a, it's crazy to me. It's crazy that I have to be worried not only about the person intruding,

but how I defend myself, I have to, that's crazy. Did you guys hear speaking to Serra Killers? You hear about, I think it was a professor, it's a true story. He came up with this, he has a test that will test, and it looks like an established test that finds sociopaths. There's all these these markers of a sociopath and he had all of his students and himself, everybody filled out this test and he kept it anonymous. Well one person came up at like strongly as a

sociopath and he recognized that it was his test and he didn't know this so he actually was a sociopath. Oh I heard about this. And then he and then what he did was is he tried to figure out well why am I not because he didn't kill people he's not a bad person. He's like well what made what made me not become this crazy killer and what makes other people and so it took him on this whole journey. But how crazy is that? He did a test. I mean I also oh shit. I mean I also think that's how, back to our original point of like talking about studies and data and science is flawed. It's like okay so that's a bit flawed that we decided these questions determine whether

you're a sociopath. You know what I'm saying? Like that's just that's maybe you can find. To me that's where they're, this is the holes in a lot of the stuff that we we tout as research and data and science and fact. It's like, okay, because someone decided that these series of questions determine you're a sociopath and you happen to answer them that way, therefore you're a sociopath now. Like, come on, that's flawed.

Yeah, so I think Doug, you would go, professor found out he's a sociopath. It was a really crazy story that I read. Oh, the neuroscientist, it was a neuroscientist. James Fallon. Yeah, James Fallon. He found out that his own brain fit the pattern. Oh, it was actually PET scans, it was actually brain scans

of murderers and schizophrenics, depressive. So he had the same sort of neural path that looks just like a serial killer. Here's what happened, He was looking at scans of murderers, schizophrenics, depressives, and normal brains and then out of serendipity he was also doing a study on Alzheimer's and as part of that he did brain scans from himself and everyone his family on his desk and then he got to the bottom of the stack and he saw that his scan was obviously pathological. In regards to science, what

do you think is the most, like what are the top three to five things that are most murky, like universe, brain, gut? Yeah, well yeah, that's just. Like those, when you think of the stuff that we have around science or research that we tout as fact. Well, history. Like, history.

Oh, you're gonna go conspiracy stuff again, Justin? You think about who controls that knowledge. I mean, I don't disagree with you that. You're not wrong. Listen, I don't disagree with you that there's a bunch of. I mean, I don't disagree with you that there's a. But at least there's some documentation of fact stories, stuff like that.

Yes, it gets manipulated. Yeah, you can get. I think like. You can parse it together, but you have to still create a narrative. But I think gut, brain can parse it together, but you have to still create a narrative. But I think, you know, gut, you know, brain, universe is like really, Well, like, that's way more complex.

Human behavior and psychology, That's one of those, Which is brain. Yeah, it's one of the least duplicatable when it comes to studies. Yeah, it's like, it never replicates. They can never, I think it's like 80 something percent are unable to replicate, which is why the Gottmans, John Gottman, his wife,

his study on the traits that determine whether or not you get divorced, whether or not you're gonna have a good relationship, why that's so held in such high regard is because they've duplicated it, I think, seven times. And the data's come out the same. It's like it stood out. But yeah, human behavior is like so,

we know so little, we think we know so much of it. I mean, to me, those are the three that come to mind right away. Yeah. Brain. Yeah, and the gut is really because it's new. It's emerging, and there's so many moving parts that it's gonna require AI, in my opinion,

to really figure that out. But human behavior is a weird one, man, because it's like, it's our human behavior studying other human behavior, and we don't know very much about it, so. Of those three, what do you think we're making the biggest strides right now in? Oh.

That's a good question. I think, uh, how the gut affects us and our health, I think over the next 10 years with AI is going to get really interesting. That's what I think. Well, I think gut has been the biggest focus as of late. Like we probably didn't know as much until recently, especially the bacteria and you know all of that with the metabolism, but I I think too like I mean the brain like We've we've come a long way with the brain in terms of now understanding like you know that there's Microtubules in the brain that they've identified quantum phenomena. Do you know that explain that so quantum phenomena quantum physics is weird and I'm by no means an expert, but when they try to explain and break it down, it looks like magic.

Like these particles act this way, but if you look at them, literally, if you just look at them, they act a different way. They pop in and out of existence. If we entangle two particles, you move one, the other one moves instantly. So it's like communicating through space infinitely fast.

We can't understand that. And they've identified quantum phenomena in the brain. So they think maybe there's some quantum aspects of the brain that helps develop our consciousness and the mind, which is really weird. It's like, what is going on here?

Which kind of lends itself to the theory. I think Doug, you've said this before, that brain is more of a receiver. Yeah, like a signal. Yeah, like a receiver and a processor rather than like the origin of consciousness. Well, I mean, we used to just remove parts of the brain. Lobotomy?

Yeah. When did they stop doing those? That wasn't that long ago. You ever seen ads for lobotomies, old ads? Oh, I think I have. They have? Oh, it's terrible, bro. 1967. What?

They were doing lobotomies in 1967? That's like this medieval, like it made it that far. So if you look up old ads on lobotomies, I've seen one, and it's like, you bring your family members, like here was Susan before, and she's like, got this really sad, weird looking face, this was her after she's like, got this really sad, weird looking face. This was her after he said. She didn't.

Yeah. This really weird looking smile. She's been saved by lobotomies. Oh God. God, that's terrible. It's brutal. It's terrible. I mean, definitely not defending lobotomies,

but imagine though, like, because of how little we knew about so many of these like disorders and disease. Schizophrenia. Yeah, and you're just, and just we're scrambling because of how little we knew about so many of these like disorders and schizophrenia. Yeah. And you're just, and just we're, we're, we're scrambling for answers to how to fix it and solve it. And so, you know, what we could do is cut out half their brain. Yeah. Let's just. You know, at the time they were just following the science.

Yeah. Yeah. No, that's my point of this whole thing. That's such a good point. It's like, what do we do now where we say, cut this off, cut this, do that, add this drug, oh, it fixes this kid, this person, whatever, and nobody's questioning it. That's why it's so important to admit when we're wrong, you know, and to go through and be like, well, yeah, we messed up here,

and we're gonna address this and investigate. You know, the big, the big. Instead of trying to gaslight everybody, like, oh, yeah, we did all these good things, but yeah, that might happen. You know, humanity is marred by one of the biggest challenges Or maybe in religions we call it sins of intelligence which is arrogance or pride Like we're so smart and therefore we think we know everything and then we don't question anything. There's no humbleness

It's like no this is the right answer do that drill a hole take out this part of the brain now look She's smiling totally work totally fine. You know crazy anyway speaking of gut, and bacteria. I thought I gave you a layup earlier. You did. Now you just called it out. I was trying to underhand pitch that to you. I'm trying to be smooth, Adam. Just leave it. No, no. Listen, I do want to say this about the gut. There are certain strains of bacteria we know for sure have beneficial effects. We've isolated those. We know this, when people supplement with them, when people take them, so long as they get delivered in the right parts of the body, they do improve digestion, reduce inflammation, they seem to help anxiety and depression, and some people help with skin.

Those strains, the bifido strains, the lactobacillus strains, and other strains, we know are healthy for whatever reason. And the best part about it is you don't have to cut out part of your brain for this to. That is a benefit. By the way, have you seen seeds? Or shock therapy or doing any sort of vibrators? There's nothing like that, you just gotta take this.

No old school methods apply. Vibrators haven't gone away though, they're still there. Your doctor doesn't use one on you anymore. Did you guys see the new ads that Seed is running on? No. Really cool. So they have, what makes Seed unique, part of what makes it unique, besides the strain combination they use, is it's a two capsule system. So there's an outer capsule and an inner capsule. The outer capsule protects it from going through the gut. The inner capsule's got a prebiotic that feeds bacteria,

and they show in the video how it goes through the gut, how it goes through the stomach, goes through the gut, and then makes it to the colon, and that's where it delivers the bacteria. Are they able to patent that? That's them. So they can't. Nobody else can do that.

Nobody has that. Yeah. That's only seed. That's cool. And they have a machine, I don't remember what they call it, they actually have a machine. It's supposed to simulate that, right? And you can watch it.

The whole digestive process, yeah, you watch it. The thing I was most impressed with Seed when we first started working with him and we met them is the team they have. Like they've gone around the world. Oh, they've got the best in the world. And yeah, got the best researchers in that field, and so of course it would develop something else.

Oh yeah, there's nobody that comes close to the pedigree of people that they have, but it's a delivery method. That's the only, it's the one probiotic I've used the most consistently for, I've now used it for years and years and years. I used to have to switch probiotics every so often. You guys know that? I used to take one, then I'd get some positive and then I'd get some negative effects and I'd have to go off and switch to a different one and I was constantly switching and seeds is the only one and I was constantly switching and C is the only one I've used for years now.

Every night I take it before bed or empty stomach, every single night. It's the best one. I was talking to Katrina last night. I'm super excited about the Las Vegas trip that we have coming up, right? Oh, a live event? Yeah, I'm very excited to see everybody

but I'm even more excited that we're gonna go do the track day and I saw the cars that You guys chose. Yeah Yeah, what do you think? I will so your yours is on my radar is like my next whip So I love that you're doing okay. I can't wait to talk to you I wanted to go because of course of you know what you have access to I'm like I'm trying to do something different No, I'm so glad you I'm glad you did that. So he's doing the 992 GTRS, which is Porsche's track car. That's like the Porsche's track car.

I've always been a Porsche fan. I love them. Yeah. So that's cool. Doug, I think you're doing the same as me. We're doing the 488 Pista. Yeah. Which is the Ferrari model that's the, so it's the 488.

You guys are familiar with that. The Pista is like their next model up. So it's got like an extra like 50 to 70 horsepower than the regular 488 has. So, and it's, I didn't realize that. So most of these like track that, cause I'd looked up this to do this before, you know, they have kind of the, not old, but older model,

like five to 10 years back or whatever, that Pista that we're driving, that's like in the last year, that's a new model. And same thing with your 992. Like those are- You know what car I've always wanted to drive? The, oh god, now I can't believe I forgot.

Dodge. Hellcat? The Demon? No, no, no, no, no, no. Dodge. It used to be the one- Minivan? The Viper?

Viper. Not a minivan. Fuck off. Caravan. It used to be the one. Minivan? The Viper? Viper. Not minivan. Fuck off. Caravan. So much room. So spacious. Did you see, I saw. No, Dodge Viper, bro.

These videos. I've driven one of those. Like old school big ass, like, you know, how cubic engines that, you know, that engine was, I've always wanted to drive one of those. I mean, that was an 800 horsepower car, but when cars weren't even four horsepower. Yeah, there, I think that's actually on the list.

You could do that. So you could drive. No, I'm supposed to go and I'm gonna bring, I think I'm bringing my niece back to come stay with us over the summer. So that's why I'm not doing that with you guys. So you're taking off over to do family stuff and we're gonna do that.

It's cool though, we have five laps. And originally I wanted Katrina to do more. She's like, the guy actually said fives a lot. I mean, it'll be a few hours, like three hours we'll be out there and stuff. Wait, three hours? No, cause they train you. Yeah, yeah.

So you actually, you get a, which is really what I want. I actually want, I wanted like the co-pilot that's a race driver who's gonna be giving me tips on cornering and sliding and all that. That's like what I really want it for. It's like, I'm gonna- Do they drive with you in the passenger side to show you?

I imagine that they do probably a lap. Would that be cool to see what it's, cause you got a pro driver to see what it feels like. I'm sure you get both. Like I'm sure that's why it takes so long is that they probably get in and if you're, obviously I'm sure a lot of people are unfamiliar with the car they're about to drive.

And so there's probably a big, you know, I'm sure we have to watch a video for some safety. And then I'm sure there's like a tutorial where they're gonna take you around. You're on fire, run out. Yeah. But then. Save me.

Yeah. Then you get five, I mean, pretty reasonable for what we're getting. I mean, I think it's, I mean, Katrina was like, I thought it was gonna be a lot more expensive. What an interesting business. Do you think they own the track or do you think they rent the track?

That's a really interesting question. So they own cars or they probably, what do you think, they lease them? And then you own those. So they own cars or they probably, what do you think, they lease them and then you own those. So they buy them, they own them and then they rent them out and then either they rent the track or they own the track. That's the business. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, either way that doesn't change the business, right? It's just whether like, and that would be like a CPA. And then what do you think they sell the cars after when they're done? Yeah, I don't know what, I'm sure they do. I'm sure they get rid of them after. I'm surprised you haven't thought about that I totally thought

right now asking you questions. I already am I already am setting up to meet with the CPA to talk about car businesses that I can build or do that's not one of them because the complexity of that. Yeah. Imagine the liability the drivers the track all that an easier car business would be like a Touro business which like anybody can start up. What's that, you own cars and then you... You probably used Touro already, I bet. When you guys go rent a car, who do you rent cars to? It's way better than renting cars.

We always rent through Touro, not through the company. When we go places... I thought we always did a... The company, when the company goes places, we go through a big name brand with that. Enterprise or something. But personally, anytime Katrina and I rent a car, we never go through enterprise.

We always use Touro. Cheaper, better cars. I rent a car, we never go through enterprise. We always use Turo. Cheaper, better cars. Yeah, but do they have way better cars? Yeah, they bring it to you. So like, we come, like they literally drive it to you and I meet the guy who owns the car, he hands me keys. In the garage, you just go to the garage and then, yeah. I've never done that.

It's more convenient, it's cheaper, better cars. Yeah, they've never done it. They've completely disrupted it. You don't need no stupid, the stupid kiosk where you're sitting there and they're like typing nonsense in for like an hour. I hate that. And you like shop your car before you do it.

So like pull it up, Doug, go like. You probably have to have better like history, better driving history, better insurance, yeah? No. And they do background check, but I mean that's. Are the cars better? Way better. That's what I mean.

I'm sure they have a better qualification. Let some, you know, well, I mean, I don't think I don't think, uh, hurts. Let's just any weirdo get their car either. Right. Yeah. Wow. Look at that. Speaking of companies we don't work with, uh, you know, it's another one. I mean, I want to do this as a side hustle. So I like, look at that. You can get a Porsche, you can get all kinds of stuff. We did that in Sedona. That's just popular. E. V's that's popular. I'm gonna use that. So yeah, no, you can get a Porsche? You can get all kinds of stuff. We did that in Sedona. That's just popular EVs.

That's popular right there. I'm going to use that. So yeah, no, you try it. The next time you travel somewhere, before you rent a car, go there. Again, I know that we're not promoted to say any of this stuff, but I'm just keeping it real. It's so affordable, though.

It is. It's way better. When we went to Hawaii, we got this sick custom jean. Now, is this like? Had a lift on it, stereo system in it, brand new. Is this like the company has the cars or the company serves the middle man? No, it's like I own a fleet.

Like I actually met an exchange network. No wonder. I own 10 cars and I put it up on Turo. It's basically, it's a arbitrage. I get it, no wonder. Wow, speaking of companies we don't work with, did you know that online, because of COVID, and the policies they passed,

you know how cheap and easy it is to get a doctor online to see you right away to get a prescription? Do you guys know that? We were trying to make an appointment. Oh, you're talking to me about that. Yeah, dude, I went online because we were all sick a few weeks ago. It wasn't that expensive, it was like 40 bucks.

40 bucks, dude. We were trying to make an appointment with a doctor and they that expensive, it was like 40 bucks. 40 bucks, dude. We were trying to make an appointment with a doctor and they're like, oh, we will see you in whatever, in July. I'm like, my wife's about to go to the urgent care, her face hurt so bad, we think she has a sinus infection. So I went online and it was like 40 bucks and you fill out your symptoms

and if you need to meet with them through Zoom or whatever they will, or if you don't, it doesn't matter. And we didn't. They sent in the prescription, it was a done deal. So, okay, this is so rad. Like, you see like Telemedicine, you see Turo, you see these kind of innovative, disruptive companies like coming in and helping.

Why haven't they done that for the DMV yet? Yeah, geez, because you can't. Come on! It's illegal for anybody to administer or give a driver's license aside from a state. Sure. I guess I just integrate new tech as my home. I know.

Well, you know, it's different. Why? They're not going to go out of business. So the way Uber disrupts a taxi, that's different, right? That's like, it wasn't government, right? Government's involved, it's freaking. Well, that's not so monopole. It's like schools. It's like good luck trying to Government's involved, it's freaking. Well, that's not so monopole. It's like schools. It's like good luck trying to disrupt the universities

and things like that. Like people are trying, but you still aren't getting the same credibility as a harbor. California hates old cars. I'll tell you that right now. What'd you say? California hates old cars. Are you trying to get something for your muscle car?

Yeah, it's been a super pain in the ass. Bro, it's just cars in general, bro. It's a headache right now. Hey, hold on, what do you mean? What are you trying to get that they won't get you? You registered? Yes, registered, yeah. Why won't they register? I had the same issues. I mean, what do you mean? What are you trying to get that they won't get you? Registered? Yes, registered. Why won't they register it?

I had the same issues. I mean, I could go through a laundry list of items, but I'm down to one more thing that I just got. I had to send back to get a signature for somebody that was this loan officer that didn't sign one with their name but also their title of their company and all these things. You're like, what? Who would even thought to write that? I think it has a lot to do with currently, right?

What has happened in the last year with California insurance and so with that, because my latest car that I bought, I had all the same issues. It was a headache. Yeah. The most difficult part of the purchase was literally that, not even getting it shipped across the country.

It was like literally getting it insured inside California was so ridiculous. You know what this is, is people trying to keep their jobs is what it is. Your job is to make sure that if you find any errors, and that's what they do, because if you don't, you're out of a job. That's what that is.

Yeah. They wanted to do, I'm curious if you'll have to do this, like I had to get a, like luckily I had a cop friend who came to my house, but you're supposed to make an appointment at DMV to meet a police officer. They mentioned that. They did, see? And they wanted to do a full inspection on the engine. Yeah an appointment at DMV to meet a police officer. They did. And they want to do a full inspection on the engine.

And yeah, they did that. I did a full inspection. What are they looking for? It's a 1967. So he told me when I was asking him, it's like in cars like these, like there's a lot of like fraud and there's a lot of like, and they want to make sure that everything matches the spec that it says. And so, and I don't understand the loopholes where people would be using,

taking advantage of this in the system. So your car, it was a modern car, so that doesn't make any sense. And then your car is a classic. So what is the problem? It doesn't need to be smogged. What are they looking for? You know, it's like, exactly.

Yeah, I have no idea. You tell me. What are they trying to find? What are they? Walking around and making sure the numbers match. So it was a numbers matching thing. Yeah, so okay, so I don't know if this has anything to do with it, but I remember when I bought my Camaro a long time ago, I had that for like 15 years.

And so this, all these new insurance laws and rules didn't apply. Oh, it didn't. But one of the things, okay, hopefully I can't get in trouble for something this far back, right, that you can do like an old school like that, right? So obviously what Justin's buying is really nice and worth a lot of money. But if the old GTO, if it was a GTO that was, you know, a rust bucket, old, didn't really run, the DMV, they don't know the difference of that. They just see the model and the year, that car could technically sell for two grand, could also sell for a hundred grand. So the seller and the buyer, a lot of times we'll say

on the, on all the stuff, we'll say it's a $5,000 car. So they have to pay less sales tax. Oh, that's why. So I know that is something that happens with like old school. Like just write this down and I'll put in cash. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You just agree on, on what it is. Well, that makes sense. You can't shake deals. Yeah. And so then you, you make out on not having this, especially on a car like a GTO like that,

that could easily be worth $100,000 car, you buying it for $5,000 is a massive difference on sales tax, especially in California. How crazy is it that you really don't own a lot of things? You really don't, you know what I mean? Like I own my house, oh really? Don't pay property taxes on it, see what happens. I own my car, or really don't pay registrations.

Or insurance, yeah. Weird, wild world. They always find a way. They do. Anyway, so the shout out, we'll do the live event in Vegas. Live in Vegas, we're gonna be meeting with listeners, fans, trainers, coaches, answering questions, having a great time.

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assisted chin-up and dip machines, so they'll typically have a pad with a weight stack and you can put your knees on it or your feet. And they do- They call that a Gravitron, is that what they call it? Yeah. That was the branding. Yeah, it's a brand.

That was the brand. But you could add weight to it and then the weight that you add is how much it's assisting. And normally most of those assisted pull up bars have the dip bar on it. They have both. Yeah. So that would be the ideal way to do this

The second way to do it would be to use a resistance band around the bar or around the dip Apparatus to also assist you and the reason why that's ideal is because you're still doing the same movement and you're practicing and learning How to do that movement you're just using assistance now the third option which is okay, too Would it be to do pull movement, you're just using assistance. Now the third option, which is okay too, would be to do pull-ups from, excuse me, pull-downs with the pull-down machine. And then for dips, you could always do bench dips or you could do push-ups or some other pressing movement

as a replacement, but that would be the three options. Yeah, I like the bands. I mean, most places, and you could do this even with like a regular pull-up bar where you, so I normally hang it over, I get like a chair from my client and then they step up and they put their knee in it. Yeah. And so the band is wrapped around their knee and it goes above the pull-up bar and it's a little practice. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's relatively easy once you've done it, you know, and then

you use it with the dip bar, you just wrap it around the dip bar and then same thing, put your knees or your feet in it, and use it as an assistant. So as long as you have a band, most people can do this in any setting to assist them that way. That tends to be my first default, but to your point, yeah,

you could do alternative exercises that... It's not that big of a deal. Yeah. But I do like the weight assisted machines a lot. I like those a lot. In fact, I still use those myself at the end of a workout. If I'm really, really fatigued and I want to finish the workout with like a super exaggerated range of motion, let's say with dips, I like the assisted machine because I could go super deep and just really focus on the stretch without

worrying too much about, you know, if I can't stabilize myself too well with my body weight and then with pull-ups, I'll mess with like super wide grips, which I normally wouldn't do a pull-ups with really, really, really wide grips with my body weight because that can mess with my shoulder. But if I use assisted, you know, assistance, then I can do it and I can hit a different angle. Well, yeah, cause a lot of times it's really just that you're not familiar with those ranges of motion.

Yeah. So that's why it's difficult to recruit muscles when you're in that stretch position, the end range position. And so to have that bit of resistant help to get you to at least go through that full range and to acclimate towards familiarizing yourself with those movements first. I think that's very helpful. And then slow it down and then also make sure you're really tensing up and getting connection to your muscles while you're doing that.

And don't just do it passively because you have resistance now kind of taking over. Next question is from Johnny John John 88. Which is better for perfecting a pull up, bands or an assisted pull-up machine? Okay, well, let's connect to the first one. I was gonna say, it's like the same question. Well, what's better for perfecting a pull-up,

assisted pull-up machines are actually really, really good at doing it because they're pretty easy to use. They're actually quite simple to use. Bands are good too. The challenge with the bands is when people step on them, sometimes they'll move their foot forward or back and the band will come up and snag them in the crotch or come off the top of the foot.

There's actually a few ways you can do it. I mean, you can even take like, if a squat rack, you could take it and put the J hooks, you could put it over the J hooks. I like that. That's my favorite way. It's just less clunky for somebody who's maybe not as coordinated. And, uh,

like I've had clients, it's, it's challenging to have them either step all the way down or put their knee in cause they're kind of all over the place. So that's, you know, a good alternative. So to explain that in more detail, literally you're in a squat rack and the hooks that are in the rack, you tie a really strong band around them. So it's just going from one side to the other, and then it's really easy to step on top of.

And you can raise those hooks up or down. And I'll tell you what. To give you, yeah, more or less resistance. That's the, in my opinion, the easiest, most stable, best way to use bands for assistance. Yeah, I'd say the reason why the pull-up machine or the Gravitron machine, whatever you wanna call it, is better, is it's just easier to get in and do.

And it's also easier to change. Typically, people have four or five bands, and they're a certain strength. More consistent with that resistance. Yeah, where it's like, I could go like, oh, this week, I was giving myself 60-pound assistance, and then I'm going to go to 55. I mean, you can literally move it by five or 10-pound

increments, which really helps when you're trying to progress in that. I will say this, just to add something else to this question. For people who can do pull-ups, one of my favorite things to do to progress with pull-ups. So say you can already do six pull-ups or seven pull-ups and you want to start training with resistance. Now you can attach weight around your waist. They have chains and belts that do this. But I like bands the most. If you tie a band around your waist

and you put it so that it kind of goes down between your legs and you hook it around a dumbbell that's heavy enough to where you won't move the dumbbell if you pull yourself up against the dumbbell and do pull-ups with banded resistance, it's so smooth. It feels so good. I progress so quickly when I use band resistance. Just like when I would do band resistance on my squats or my bench press. I've done this with dips, I've done this with pull-ups, and it's my favorite way to do added resistance

when I do those exercises. You know what works really well too is lose 20 pounds. I did pull-ups. Did you do pull ups either? Oh my God, it was just like I've. Strength to weight. Oh man, to me that was like what a huge difference when you drop some weight like that. Because I'm pretty consistent with dips and pull ups

always being in my routine. So no matter what weight I am or how I'm training, it's always a part of my routine. And so I consistently know, oh this is difficult, this is how many are difficult for me right now. And because of, I, I consistently know, Oh, this is difficult. This is how many are difficult for me right now. And I, I, because of, you know, the triseptide and doing all that, I have been very infrequently training and definitely want to train out very

hard. Finally starting to get a better workouts and did dips. And I was like, and pull ups and I was like, Oh my God, this is feel so easy. And it's just cause I'm 20 pounds lighter than what I was. I tricked myself once doing that. I was, I was cutting and I went to go do pull ups and I'm like, I got stronger. And I'm like, oh yeah, I lost weight. Next question is from Roo's rooftop training. How would you train a client that is coming back from vacation?

Would you start slowing, get back to where you ended before they took off? I always, so it depends on how long they were gone, of course, but typical vacation, 10 days, two weeks, whatever. I always do a week of easy workouts before I start to adjust and kind of bring them back to where they were before. And I do this for a couple of different reasons. One, soreness. If you're ever going to get really sore from a workout you've done before, it's always

when you take a week off or something like that. You go back, you do it again. It's like, oh my God, I got so sore. And you don't need, you don't need to do a ton to bounce back to where you were before. I mean, first off- It's not beneficial to go more. No, no, no, no. In fact, strength takes a long time to go away.

It's this one of the amazing things about strength training is you get a certain strength, you take a month off so long as you weren't sick or, you know, eating super little, you go back to the gym, you probably lost no strength. So when you come back, you're as strong as you were before, but your muscle damage occurs faster and easier. The resilience goes down a little bit. So I always, with every client, whenever they would come back,

the first two or three workouts were always just easy, and then we'd go back. Listen, in this situation where they haven't trained for at least a week or two, you could easily overdo it. It's almost impossible to underdo it. Yeah. Like they haven't been doing anything. So them doing a couple exercises or really light intensity

is going to move them positively in the right direction because they hadn't done anything. So you're way more likely to overreach and do too much when they're getting back to that. So you can't possibly do too little so long as you're doing something, right? Because they weren't doing anything. So, and by the way, I'm giving that advice,

but I also have made that mistake so many times. Yeah, so to give, like to be a little more specific, this is what it would look like. Client leaves for vacation, they come back. My goal in the workout is to have them move through a full range of motion with the exercises that we were doing before, but the intensity is moderate at most.

So I'm not stopping two reps short of failure. It's more like eight reps short of failure. Or loading it half is what you would normally do. Exactly, it's just move through, get full range of motion, feel good, and then the second week back, we'd get back to how they were doing before and it was great. It always worked out great. Next question is from James Ayers.

What workout routine would you recommend for my mom who is in her mid sixties? She has very little gym experience. Maps starter, maps starter. So for people that know what that program is, we designed maps starter for the total beginner, the total beginner to strength training who's never done strength training exercises, but also subcategories of people like advanced age,

uh, postpartum pregnancy. Very obese. You know, really obese people who came out of, you know, they just finished rehab. They got cleared by their physical therapist, doctor to start exercising again. So what makes that workout so appropriate? Well, of course the volume isn't super high But we use the stability ball quite a bit in map starter and the stability Paul now there was a point in the fitness space

I don't know what it was Almost 20 years ago where the stability ball entered into the fray and then it just got out it went crazy It's like everything was to blame into the fray and then it just got out, it went crazy. It's like everything went too far. And then people, uh, you know, went in the opposite direction. Stability ball is worthless. It's, it is not worthless. It's a tool. If you use it appropriately, it's extremely valuable.

And one of the best things about a stability ball is that when you're learning, when you're just getting into strength training, it encourages good posture, muscle engagement, balance and stability. So if I get a brand new person and we're going to do overhead shoulder press and I put them in a bench that's literally a seat and then the back and they have to keep their back up against it, they're going to offset the stability and the balance to the bench. When I want them to learn how to do that on their own, having them sit on a ball encourages that engagement, encourages good form.

And then when they press, they can't just lean back on the bench and get bad form. If they do, they'll fall off the ball. So you obviously go lighter, you go slower. It's a great, it is a very fast, great way to go from beginner to now we can move into in a safe way and effective way, traditional strength. The biggest concern in the beginning is learning how to brace properly and connect to your core and to be able to anchor yourself like you're mentioning in any movement. And so it's like, you have to be sort of tethered to the position where it's like if any sort of the position where it's like if any sort of momentum's carrying you laterally,

causing you to rotate, you can adjust and bring yourself back to proper posture and be able to kind of tighten you up so you're immovable when you need to be immovable. You know, the stability ball reminds me of my split stance trick that I always do with my clients. We're always looking for hacks or little ways to get your clients to be in better posture when doing any sort of a movement.

And when you put them in an unstable environment, like sitting on a ball or lying on a ball, it forces you to get into better posture because- Or you'll fall. Yeah, or you'll roll off of it. Same thing with the whole split stance when you do curls and presses and stuff like that. Yeah, I know that's not optimal for pressing the most amount of weight, but I'm not there with that. Yeah, it's not the point.

At this point, I'm trying to get my client to stabilize, to engage their core, to have good posture. And one of the best ways I found of getting them to do that without constantly just communicating it is put them in an unstable environment. Split stances or the stability ball and for someone who's just getting started, who's deconditioned, advanced age, really really overweight, this is a really really good program. People forget, a lot of people, we've talked about this a lot, but people

forget that strength training when you break it down is they are techniques, they're skills, they are movements that require skill. And the better you perform the movement, the better, the more positive benefits you're going to get from that movement. The worse you do that movement, or if your skill isn't great with that movement, then you don't get the same benefits. And the detriments, the negatives start to skyrocket. And the reason why I'm saying this is we often,

or the average person often, and sometimes people in the fitness industry, often communicate or understand strength training exercises as that's shoulders, that's legs, that's back. What we're trying to do is work this muscle. But what we forget is if the exercise is performed with great skill, then we're working the body and the muscles in the proper way. Without good skill, without we're working the body and the muscles

in the proper way. Without good skill, without good technique, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter anymore. Pick whatever exercise you want then. Like what's that old meme? Any strength training exercise is a back exercise, if you do it wrong enough. Yeah, a lower back exercise.

Yeah, a lower back exercise if you do it wrong enough. So they're all skills, and so when you get into strength training, even as you pursue strength training, at the top of the list of priorities is perfecting the skills of these exercises. In fact, if we took a group of people and we compared them to another group

and we followed them for 10 years and one group was encouraged to practice the skill, perfect the technique, the other group was like, work your shoulders, work your legs, work your chest. The group that just practiced that technique would get far better results, perfect the technique. The other group was like, work your shoulders, work your legs, work your chest. The group that just practiced that technique would get far better results, far less injuries. They would get way less plateaus than the group that was looking at hitting muscles,

feeling it in muscles, trying to burn, trying to whatever. So by the way, speaking of technique, we have a guide. We have a free guide called How to Squat Like a Pro. Literally the guide, the entire guide teaches you how to perfect your squat and get the most out of it. And we've made it free. It is a free guide, it costs you nothing. It's at mindpumpfree.com.

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