Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2339: The Fastest Way to Get Strong in Powerlifting, What to Do if You Have Lost Motivation to Go to the Gym, Ways to Address Post Meal Bloat & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: May 18, 2024

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Email [e-mail] if you want to be considered to ask your question on the show. Mind Pump Fit Tip: When lifting weights, the rest periods are almost as important as the exercises themselves. DON’T SKIP THEM! (1:49) Using Joy Mode to get you in the zone. (12:45) Cash and cocaine. (13:52) Misconceptions surrounding having credit. (16:18) Pandemic amnesia. (29:12) Staged or real? The rap beef between Kendrick Lamar and Drake. (32:40) Misleading polls and evolutionary trends. (36:35) Lost fights. (42:30) The steak tips from Butcher Box are fire! (51:02) Paintball security cameras and bad business models. (52:11) Shout out to Mind Pump Live! (58:41) #ListenerLive question #1 - I fall asleep quickly but wake up several times throughout the night. Any ideas on why this is? (59:40) #ListenerLive question #2 - Last time I ran MAPS Powerlift I felt like I underestimated my 1 rep max, which was still a PR, but I for sure had more to give. Is this a by-feel thing or is there a percentage range that would be good to aim for? (1:15:46) #ListenerLive question #3 - Why does my stomach bloat after meals? (1:29:11) #ListenerLive question #4 - How can I initiate the process of rediscovering my "why" so that I can once again commit to a structured program with tangible, meaningful goals? (1:36:59) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Visit Joy Mode for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout for 20% off your first order** Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer!  ** Free for a Year offer: Choose salmon, chicken breast, or steak tips FREE in every order for a year, plus get $20 off your first order! ** May Promotion: MAPS Strong | MAPS Powerlift 50% off! ** Code MAY50 at checkout ** Mind Pump #1612: Everything You Need To Know About Sets, Reps & Rest Periods Mind Pump #1835: Why Resistance Training Is The Best Form Of Exercise For Fat Loss And Overall Health 80% of cash carries cocaine - and more | CNN Household Debt Rose by $184 Billion in Q1 2024 AstraZeneca pulls its COVID-19 vaccine from the European market Chris Cuomo Uncensored | PBD Podcast | Ep. 289 - YouTube Police investigating shooting outside Drake's Toronto home | CNN 26,000 voters say RFK Jr. can win it all Startup pitches a paintball-armed, AI-powered home security camera See and hang out with Mind Pump, LIVE! Saturday, June 15 · 1pm PDT Bellagio Las Vegas. Click the link here for more details. Create a Living Trust for free – in minutes! Dynasty Trusts | GetDynasty ** A basic living trust is 100% free with GetDynasty and takes less than 10 minutes to make. ** Mind Pump #1142: Nine Signs You Are Overtraining Mind Pump Fitness Coaching Course Use the 3-2-1 Formula for Best Sleep Results | Cabral Concept 2526 HANDGRIP DYNAMOMETER 3 Day Mind Pump Personal Trainer Webinar Mind Pump #2165: How To Address Your Food Sensitivities With Dr. Stephen Cabral MP Holistic Health Mind Pump #2022: Lost Motivation To Workout? Do This… Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Patrick Bet-David (@patrickbetdavid) Instagram Robert Kennedy (@robertkennedyjr) X Mike Matthews (@muscleforlifefitness) Instagram Joe DeFranco (@defrancosgym) Instagram Dr. Stephen Cabral (@stephencabral) Instagram  

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you have to use the code May 50 for the discount. Alright, here comes the show. When you're lifting weights, the rest period is almost as important as the exercise itself. In fact, the rest periods are what makes strength training strength training. Take those out. You're no longer building muscle. You're just building endurance and stamina. Take those rest periods. I know it's boring sometimes but that's what makes it strength training. That's what trains the right energy systems so that you build muscle. Rest in between your sets. That's how you do it. Is this coming from one of our most recent callers? Yeah. You know what's funny is without the rest period that's

literally what would make it not strength training anymore. You take the rest period out, it is no longer strength training. It's just you're using weights, but you're not building strength and muscle. And that's the part that, uh, and it's uncomfortable. You know, a lot of people that, uh, really get in the rhythm of the training and it's like, you know, they just get antsy and they want to get back after it. But, uh, you're doing yourself a massive disservice, especially if you're going in just with the intention

of this is strength training. I'm trying to build muscle. I'm trying to be focused on this. I gotta start learning to incorporate other practices, maybe meditation and focus in between those sets to occupy you. It's so easy to predict the person that needs this by like when they break down like what they like to

do or how they've been trained. It's always your cardio bunnies, your group X people, people that love the classes that you go to. They just have a- The people that value the sweat. Just really have a hard time with the rest of it. and what's so great about getting a client like that is if you can get them to follow a, like a MAPS power lift, like a power lifting routine, and make them rest for three minutes and focus on getting really strong in the core lifts,

you radically change that person. You know what's funny is I had somebody ask me, family member ask me about the conversational skills that we have on the podcast. They listen to the show and they're like, you guys are really good at conversation and stuff. I'm like, you know what's funny is that we learned that as personal trainers.

Because when you're training clients like that, like you said Adam, which is actually a large percentage of the clients that we would get, this was the typical person. Remember strength training, when I started in the late 90s and then early 2000s, especially for women, was not popular whatsoever. Remember strength training. When I started in the late nineties and then early two thousands, especially for women was not popular whatsoever. Nobody's strength trained except for guys that want to build big muscles or some athletes.

It just wasn't popular. So we'd get a lot of people that had problems with rest periods. They didn't want to rest. What can I do in between? I feel like I'm wasting my time. So you had to get really good at conversation. You had to get really good at entertaining them in between sets to,

to make them kind of more comfortable. Um, but yeah, one of the big misconceptions around stress, about around rest periods is the reason why a strength training routine, so this is the myth, the reason why a strength training routine has a rest period is because you need a break. You have to take that break. Otherwise you can't keep going. So rest until you feel like you can go again.

That's not why the rest period exists. The rest period exists because there is a particular energy pathway or system in the body that you're training that leads to more muscle, more strength, uh, growth, right? Uh, faster metabolism, the hormone positive things that we talk about with strength training. You have to train that energy system. That energy system burns hot,

but it burns out very quickly. So sprinting would be the strength training version of cardio. If you sprint versus long distance run and you do no strength training, the sprinter will build significantly more muscle in her legs than the long distance runner. In fact, the long distance runner is typically at risk of losing some muscle

because the body's trying to become more efficient at what you're doing. The sprinter is literally sprinting at full speed and then waiting and resting. If you ever watch a track, uh, you know, training with sprinters, they rest for a long period of time between sprints because the coach wants them fully rested to exert maximum power. So when you train that energy system, the way wants them fully rested to exert maximum power. So when you train that energy system, the way the body adapts to that is it makes bigger muscles because bigger muscles burn fast, hot, and contract with a lot of power.

So that's what you have to train. If you don't take those rest periods, the body will start to adapt in the stamina and endurance way, which is smaller energy efficient muscle. It's, it's, it's starting to train for energy efficiency, which is fine if that's what you want, but if you're working out cause you want the faster metabolism, you want the insulin sensitizing effects, you want to shape and sculpt the body, well that that's building muscle and rest periods is so important to that.

Again, if you take that out, it's no longer strength training, something So important to that. Again, if you take that out, it's no longer strength training. Something completely different. This same avatar person, uh, I've found the majority, uh, have a really hard time with increasing load, uh, within these sets as well. And so this is something that too, it's a different shift of mentality completely in terms of approaching the exercise. I'm trying to increase intensity. I'm trying to increase the max force capacity, like how much, uh, I

could, I could summon, uh, versus just trying to get the reps in, get, get the reps done. It's not about getting done with the workout. This, this isn't like, um, this isn't like a task of, of, you know, I have to get through all this stuff and like what I have on my list, this list. Yeah. This is like, what am I capable of? How much weight can I move? It's a totally different mentality. It's such a good point too, just because it's been a long time, obviously, since I've trained

people in person. One of the last clients I had though, this is where the transition, we were trying to get to this point. And I can remember one of the things that she was challenged with is, she'd get done with a set after I've been communicating this and she'd be like, okay, I'm ready to go. And I go, we obviously didn't exert enough energy lifting enough weight there. No, no, no, that was heavy, not heavy enough.

If it's that point where you're ready to go again in 30 seconds or like that, we're not learning to summon all that power and energy to lift as much weight as possible. And you're still lifting with that same mentality of like circuit and like only pushing the body so hard and then I'm ready to do it again. It really is. You have to get them to not only apply it by their,

like adhere to the rest periods, but then also learn to shift the mentality of going in to lift the weight. And that is part of this process that's difficult. Yeah. Now there is some value to some shorter rest periods, to waist buildup, getting the pump. There's definitely value to that, but that also still includes a rest period. So it's not like there's no rest periods. There's still rest periods, but now you're working a little bit more strength endurance and the pump does contribute to some muscle growth as well. But for the average person, for most people listening, okay, because that's

more advanced, right? For the average person listening, you should rest until you feel completely prepared to lift with your maximum strength again. That's how you should feel. It should not feel like, okay, I caught my breath. I can go again. I think I can go again. No, no, no.

You should feel like, am I going to be able to be as strong as I was on the last set? No? Okay. I'll my breath. I can go again. I think I can go again No, no, you should feel like am I gonna be able to be as strong as I won the last last set? No, okay. I'll rest a little longer. Yeah, that's what you should feel like each charge by the way It's a different feeling you're measuring totally right because it's like I know when I go and I'm like, let's say I'm squatting Right and I'm lifting 300 plus pounds What I'm after I've been resting for one minute, it's not my breath that's telling me I'm ready to go. It's like my legs. My legs still feel like they're recovering from the lift they just did before.

And it's like, it's that, once you hit that about that three minute mark, it's like, okay, they feel fully recovered again. Now let me go after it again. You're not, it's not your heart rate and your breathing, which is what the class people or the circuit training type of person, that's what they're measuring.

They're like, oh. That's what we associate with a good workout. That's what they're measuring. They're like, oh. That's what they associate with a good workout. That's what I mean. And they go, oh, my heart rates come down, I'm not breathing heavy, I can go again. It's like, no, I'm wanting you to feel the legs. Like, how do your legs feel? Oh, their legs are fine.

Oh, okay, well, we didn't, we're not hitting close to your. We're not pressing it enough. Look, just to give an example, if you had two people doing a strength training routine, let's say in 45 minutes, and one person just did, let's say, 45 minutes, and one person just did, let's say four sets, and the other person did 15 sets.

But the way they were able to accomplish 15 sets was they had no rest. The one who did the four sets with rest is going to build more muscle and more strength. Even though they didn't do nearly as many sets, they're the one that are going to build muscle and strength. The other person is going to build stamina and endurance, which again is fine. But if you're after the following, which is it's not the work I'm doing in my workout that I'm looking for the value in, it's the adaptations. That's the value that I want.

Cause the adaptations are with you all the time. You're working out three days a week for an hour. That's three hours out of the week that you might get some value for movement. Three hours. That's it out of your whole week. How many hours are there in a week? Way more than that, right? Strength training, the value isn't, isn't really in the activity itself.

There's some value, but not a ton. The values in the adaptations, the muscle building process, the recovery, the strength that you built, which is with you all day long. This is why a, someone who does strength training can burn a fourth or even a 10th of the calories that someone who does a ton of cardio does in their workout, yet have a metabolism that burns so many more calories that it not only makes up the difference,

it goes above and beyond, and it makes being lean so much easier. It requires less work. That's the value of this. You know, this tip too reminds me of the real value of a really good trainer. This is like they're worth their weight in gold right here. of the real value of a really good trainer. They're worth their weight in gold right here,

twice the investment you spend on them. When they train you accordingly, and they use those two to three minute rest periods to educate you. Because then you think about that, not only do you get this incredible program, programmed by a professional and expert that's teaching you great biomechanics and technique and putting you through the best routine possible for your body.

Then in addition to that, they have this entire hour, almost half that is in rest periods. And if in those rest periods, you're being educated on why we're doing this, what programming is, what the difference between sets and reps, what talking to you about nutrition, like boy, that's huge, man. You're getting this deep education about your body and in your health in addition to this incredible workout. It's hard to put a price tag on that if you caught yourself a trainer like that. I'll tell you what my tricks were for the rest periods

for clients, because you get those clients that have a tough time, sitting for three minutes and you can tell they're like, I'm paying for this time, this is wasting my time type of deal. One was good conversation, obviously. Two was what you're saying. Be able to educate them during that process

so they felt like they got something out of it and they did. And the third one would be just a little myofascial release that I learned from the massage therapist that I work with. So in between sets, I could work on certain muscle groups and people enjoy that. And it would give them value. And this is a tip for trainers because you're going to run into clients who are gonna push back.

You get that cardio fanatic and you tell them to rest in between sets and they literally feel like, okay, they're paying you for nothing. I've actually heard people say this. Why am I paying you? I'm just sitting here. You know? So those things right there I think could help out. Anyway, speaking of workouts,

so earlier I know you guys heard Andrew say that he went to go play baseball and he tried the Joy Mode as a pre-workout. Did you hear what he said? Oh yeah, he said he was in the zone. Correct. You swear by that. It is a great, so Joy Mode is for sexual performance

and the reason why it's made that way. The reason why it increases blood flow and, the reason why it increases blood flow. And it's very effective at increasing blood flow. Boosts nitric oxide, so obviously more blood flow means. There's gonna be like some bat jokes in there. You're gonna make me do what? Or men in tights, I don't know. What is it about men in tights, Andrew,

that makes you wanna take joy most? That's what it was. So. Everybody was looking at that. But you want more blood flow when you work out too. Like that's what gives you a better pump, that's what gives you a better performance, better nutrient delivery.

And it's not a stimulant. So when you take it, it's not like caffeine. In fact, I take it with caffeine sometimes. Great. Yeah, no, it has a different energy feel for me. It's a great for work out. You got us to take it before before Parker's on. It's weird, yeah, like how much it energizes you.

It's a good energy. It is, yeah. It feels really good. Yeah, but I do worry, like how much it energizes you. It's a good energy. It is, yeah. It feels really good. Yeah, but I do worry, like if I get too much energy, what could happen? Hey, speaking of energy, so I saw the stat, and maybe Doug can factor it, you think it's true, 80% of $1 bills have traces of cocaine on it?

I've heard that, bro. Look that up, Doug. I thought it was the Tony Montagna. No, it's one dollar bills. That's what this, that was what the- Who does cocaine with a one dollar bill? Isn't that like a- Yeah, I think it's dirty ass cocaine. Isn't it like a big like no-no?

I don't know. I don't know. So I'm curious if there's any truth to that Doug. Yeah. What do you got? What do you got for us? Yeah, it seems to be real actually. What?

Wait, wait. Oh, it's a study, another study by the journal. Look at that, Sal. Noting a still a substantial contamination of 80% of US currency. So what's the other percent was made up of feces then, yeah? Why feces? Guaranteed. Yeah, the stripper's thoughts. People are dirty. I think that's actually what, so what. Yeah, the stripper's thoughts. People are dirty. Oh.

I think that's actually what. I thought the clip that I saw was that every night, the stripper comes home, and she actually washes her dollar bills. She puts it all in her sink, fills it up with Dawn, and lets it sit, and then dries it every day. And then I saw that stat. I was like, oh, that's really interesting.

I didn't know how much cocaine was on there. If you wash your money, I mean, you're going a little too far. I don't think so. I like that stat, I was like, oh, that's really interesting. I didn't know what cocaine was on there. If you wash your money, I mean, you went a little too far. I don't think so, I like that. Clean stripper. According to this, paper money can carry more germs than a household toilet. Wow. Ew, wow.

I've also heard that about a doorknob. I heard a doorknob has more germs than a toilet seat. You know what, listen to me, you guys, don't fall for the propaganda, bro. They want to take away all your paper currency. They want you to digital so they can control everything. That's what's happening here. That's what they're thinking?

Wow. Yeah. You think that's really deterring people? Money's got cocaine in Germany. I think a bunch of people are stealing their dollar bills. Right now, you'll see some nasty shit on there. I don't think that's deterring anybody. Everyone's like, what?

There's some cocaine traces on my dollar bills. I don't think that's an effective way to get enough coke, though. I don't think so, either. How many dollar bills do you need? That's more expensive than buying it. What the fuck? Yeah, how many dollar bills an effective way to get enough cocoa. I don't think so either. How many dollar bills do you need? That's more expensive than buying it. What the fuck? Yeah, how many dollar bills do you need to get high? Why is there so much cocaine everywhere?

I don't understand. I don't realize cocaine is so, like, it's all over the place. Yeah, well, I guess that's the tool of choice, huh? You just roll it up and shh. I mean, that's what I see in the movies, but I mean. I know, right? Why is there so much? That's an insane amount.

80%. I don't think you can find 80% of any of the chemical on money, right? That's why I thought it was an interesting stat. I thought that was so fascinating. And it's a real statistic. That's what it's, it's backed by studies, bro. You know, I knew you were gonna try and fact check me there,

but it's backed up. I got another one for you guys. You got more studies? Well, it's a stat, right? So more stats. Is this the one you're gonna tell me dinosaurs aren't real? No, no, no, it's not that one. So that thing is called a stat, right? So more stats. Is this the one you're gonna tell me dinosaurs aren't real? No, no, no, it's not that one. So I think it's called callbacks.

There's like a 5% of, so Capital One is the, I think the number one credit card as far as how many people have Capital One credit cards. Capital One, I think it discovers up there, I forget what some of the other ones were. And they're at a 5.4, I think percent, somewhere like that, 5 point something callback, which is the highest since the 08 crash,

which is interesting, right? So it's- So 5% of users- And what a callback is them basically canceling their card because you're not making payments. So you're basically defaulting on your debt. And that's a high number. It's the highest since 08.

Oh. So we haven't seen this high of numbers since 08, and this is coming from one of, it's a report coming from one of the highest or the eight. Oh, so we haven't seen this high of numbers since oh eight. And this is coming from one of the, it's a report coming from one of the highest or the most popular cards out there. Everything is so expensive. It's crazy. It's got a pop. Like food is expensive. Absolutely has to. So I think what, I think what, why this has got everybody fooled for so long is that we'd never seen that much money infused into the market.

We had the big COVID relief stuff that was going on. So the stimmy checks like crazy. And then all the, what was it called when you could apply? What was the thing that we could have applied for, for the PPP loans or PPA, whatever loans. You have all of those, like everything is cut. And then everybody obviously running up the debt. I just think that we just haven't seen the fallout yet

It's still to come and it just takes a lot longer when you and when you have record amounts of money that you've infused in The economy and these are like one of the front-end signs of that is when you start seeing people default on What was the number in a way you said was the highest in so it so this is it got higher? I think got all the way up to like eight to 12, but maybe Doug can check that for me. This was like, so if you looked at it, I saw a graph, right? So you could see the two peaks.

So yeah, so like, let's say here's the, the, the median line. Um, and then here, and then the, this is the peak of 08. We're on the, on the upward trend right now. So we're, we're trending this way. We've already passed the medium it's ever been. And so it's at the, at the lower end of 08, but the medium it's ever been, and so it's at the lower end of 08, but the highest it's ever been since 08. So it's basically showing that it's trending

in that direction. Credit's interesting because for markets to work well, for investment and innovation, it's very important. So not having credit is not a good idea in markets. However, there's also a bad side to it where people no longer live by, I can afford this because I have this money, but rather I can afford this because I can make the payments.

That's right. And so then they end up building. I mean, I was guilty of this as a kid. Like crazy debt. I mean, whenever I looked at both car payments and a house payment, that's how I always viewed it. You just looked at the payment. Yeah.

You just carried the debt. Which by the way, is like every, you know, realtor slash car dealers dream is to hear someone say that because they can finagle the, you know, the loan, you know, how long the loan is and all those things like that. Yeah, to get it to the payment that you want, but it's not the thing that you should be negotiating. But we've been conditioned that way. We've been conditioned that way to think that that's. Everything's about payments. What are your payments?

What are your payments? Not what the total debt is. And that puts the people in a bad, a really, really bad situation. I know the average household has gotten a crazy debt. We don't count how home loans. Records, records. It's record high.

Everything is record high right now. Car payments too. The fact that the average car payments over $700 is crazy. That's untiring. I can't believe that. And that's crazy because you got to factor in. Now that's average. Is that because some are so high?

Because that sounds insane to me. A $700 car payment, that's crazy. It's really not when you look at all these, the average cars right now, it's like, you know, it wasn't that long ago when you could buy a 20,000 dollar car. Like your base model car now is 30, 40,000 dollars. That was like middle to high just 20 years ago.

Yes, you're right. Although, although, it's because none of them are like they were back, like I bought, like some of my first cars were so cheap, but they didn't have air conditioning, no power windows, no power steering. I don't think you could buy a car like that, right? You can't find a car like that anymore.

Just used. No, it was brand new. I bought a brand new pickup front. You could do roll up windows. Oh, it was like 13 grand out the door. It was a pickup four cylinder Toyota. It had no power steering. So like for people that know kids don't understand,

like if you're at a full stop and you gotta turn, oh yeah, you'd get a nice little workout truck. My buddy used to drive, so my best friend, he drove a 54 Chevy pickup truck with no power steering. And he had one of those little GT wheels. And it was a small, I did the same thing. I used to sit down, so he used to pick me up for school, and then we used to back into our parking spot.

And I used to have to, so he would crank and I would help him. We both, we both would be pulled on this side and then to crank the wheel to get him backed in. What do you got for me, Doug? So cheap, oh, there's some $20,000 cars there. Yeah. So sub $20,000 cars are going to go the way of the Dodo, Sue. Yeah.

Yeah. Look at that. So 18,160 is the cheapest. Get out of here with a Corolla. You can still get a Corolla. I mean these are like the... They're basic base level. Yeah, of course, of course. But that's what I'm trying to say like, like now you have computers in every single car. You know what I mean? I had analog radio. That's pretty good. You can get a Corolla. You can get a Corolla still for 23. That's not bad. See now I bought my Corolla S, which was the highest level of the Corolla for about 24.

So it's almost the same price now as their lowest model. That was back when I bought mine in. I want to get an old car with my kids just to trip them out. Hey, open the window. Learn manual stick shift, cause dude that's the best insurance policy around. Cops will tell you it's the best. Nobody can drive those anymore. It's the number one deterrent from car theft. Cops will tell you it's the best.

Nobody can drive those anymore. It's the number one deterrent from car theft. I wonder, who was it that told me this? I think my wife told me this, that it's a turn on when a man can drive stick, because I guess a lot of men can't drive stick. Is it turn on? Yeah, she's like, most women, she told me,

she said, women think it's hot when a guy can drive stick shift. And I think it's a lot of that, a lot of dudes can't do that. Shake this up. Yeah, yeah. What's up, man? I learned on that. Did you guys learn on it, too? That's how I got my drivers license. Yeah, yeah. That's the sad thing. I learned on that. Did you guys learn on it?

That's how I got my driver's license. Yeah, yeah, me too. I drove a Dodge Colt, a 19, I don't know what year it was, 80 something Dodge Colt. It actually had stick shift, and then there was another stick that could go power or economy, so the thing. I mean, I put it in power, let me tell you.

Mine was a shitty Honda stick. It was like 75 horsepower. Yeah, manual. But what I loved was, my dad took me to this lumber yard. And in the back, it was like all these huge puddles. And it was a big parking lot. And so the whole thing was for me to go as fast as possible and then hit and hydroplane and then work my way out of it.

And it was like so much fun. And it was crazy. But honestly, to this day, it saved me a few times, because it was like so much fun and it was crazy, you know, and like, but it, it, honestly to this day, it saved me a few times because I was super calm. One time when I hit black ice, when I totally could have lost control and like killed everybody in myself in the car and quite a few times. Yeah. It's just like, it's a handling thing. It's, it's, it's knowing how to be able to stay calm and not over correct.

So I'm totally doing that with my kids. What's the medium price, Doug? Give me the medium price for a car right now. You know you gave us the cheap one. Let me ask you guys this. How do you do, maybe you know this, Adam, how do you do a e-brake turn now that you can't, there's no more e-brakes?

Oh, yeah. No, it's all a button now. Or like a stop. Because remember, I used to do, you guys, e-brake turn where you're like, sure. You can't do that anymore. You can't? No, no, no, you can't do that anymore.

Well that's stupid. Yeah, you can't do that in the cars that they make now. We only really needed that with the manual, right? Cause like if you're on a hill, like I would have to pull E-brakes sometimes in San Francisco. Oh really? Yeah.

The average car sold now, so look at that. The average car sold for $47,000 a sale in January. That used to be a luxury car, bro. That's crazy. Yeah, 47,000, that was a top end for sure. It was like a really nice Mercedes back in the day. Oh yeah. Yeah, no, so you add that and then you figure

the interest rates now are on car loans are minimum five to 8%. So that's how you get the car payment that high. I think I've only ever had a car payment once in my entire life and I only had it for like six months and then I paid it off. I've never had a car payment. Even when you were younger, huh?

Never. Uh-huh. Never. So two things, this is my saving grace. One is- You and I are in different camps on that. Totally, I know. Well, don't act like you had a plan.

I think you just wanted nice stuff. You weren't sitting there like, no, no, I mean even now I'll finance things't sitting there like, the finance, the interest. Even now I'll finance things, right? Yeah, but now you're different. Now you understand money and finance. You're smart. So yeah, I like,

so sometimes it doesn't make logical sense, right? Cause I know that I'll finance something and I'm making less, let's say, in my, you know, my savings account or high interest, I'm making less in the loan or whatever. But when you were a kid, you weren't doing these numbers. No, but what I like, just me for budget reasons is I pretend like it doesn't exist like because it's a bill it's like I don't own that money I don't

have that money and so I like to do that and then I like to have that capital to be able to go do other things. If you're smart and you understand finance then there's a way to work it to where you really come out on top but most people don't know that. Most people don't look at their interest right here and realize, wow, instead of paying off that $50,000 car, I'm paying this much interest and I can make more of that if I invest it over here. Yeah. So it'd be dumb to pay it off. Let me take that money and put it over here. Most people don't do that. Now when I was a kid, I don't understand that either, but I did was I was brought up by

poor immigrants and the debt was like a bad word when I was a kid. Like you never owe any money. That was all the money advice I got as a kid. And then the other part is I'm so disorganized, I was afraid I'd miss a bill. So I'm like, what if I forget to pay? So I just don't want to bill. No, I mean, that's smart. I've gone through a whole journey of levels of that. So it was just like everything paid off. That was like the mantra, same thing from the beginning. And then it was credit card to build your credit score. And then you pay it off every month. Whatever you paid, I had to pay off like every single month. And then later on, like,

well, okay. So I could also invest this here and then like keep that going. So I still pay levels. I'm still not a debt guy. Now do you use, so this like I don't I don't use my debit card at all Oh, I use ever my amex or everything get the points and then the month I get points Yeah, yeah, because credit cards can give you some great like I get and not only that the number You know the main reason that made me do that more than the points because that's like a bonus to it was actually fraud reasons Yes, so if you if you get your your debit card, and if you buy a lot of things online like I do Yeah, and you use your debit card they get that you're fucked and they take the money out. Oh, bro, that's a headache. And then your accounts froze credit card, just like you don't know credit card. They go, they go

battle it for you. So they don't mess and they don't, they don't, they'll do right away. They flag it as flaw, the fraud, they go handle all of it. You don't, nothing stops for you. That was their main reason why I switched to that. You know one of the top places that steals your credit card or debit card info? The gas pump. Yeah, I've heard that. The gas pump. Really?

You know what they do? They put what are they called? Skimmers? It's like a chip that they put in there. They'll cover it with this perfect replica of what it looks like to put your credit card and there's a chip in there that just gets the number. And it still works, it'll still pay the gas and everything, but it collects all the data.

Then due to whoever drives by, Kimo is a genius. That is brilliant. Collects their skimmer and has on the- You know, you always think, okay, the guy who came over that would've been Rich doing something else. I always think- I know.

It's always interesting to me that the smartest of criminals would also have been the smartest that they played by the rules. I know. It's like, it's so crazy to me like what, what, why you chose that direction because to apply yourself enough to figure that out and there's brilliance there. I wonder if they have that same deficiency, like adrenaline or like same thing with like these extreme rock climbers. You're probably right. You know what I mean? They need the rush of the fact that this is illegal. Or they never had a really good mentor. They grew up.

I had a lot of people like that work for me in the past. I've run a lot of clubs with people who work for me who definitely did things on that other side, but then through working with them, mentorship, they became incredible performers and salespeople. I know them all now, they're all fathers and very successful, but because they had some mentorship there.

So I think that makes the big difference, because you're right, the skills that make you very successful at creating shit like skimmers and stuff like that, you could apply that to the market. The amount of ingenuity you see in prisons, you know, alone, it's pretty insane. Yes. To see how they like come up with ways

to get stuff from the outside, like how they can make, How they make alcohol. You ever see how they make alcohol? Shanks out of anything. Yeah. Have you seen how they make alcohol? Oh yeah, alcohol, yeah. Exactly.

Or how they talk to each other through the toilets. Have you seen that? Yeah, they make their own languages up, they do all kinds of crazy stuff. You got a bunch of dudes with nothing better to do. No, I know. You have some serious ingenuity. I mean, it just shows you that, again, directed,

right mentorship, whatever, applied the right direction. Yep. Because there's brilliance there for you to be able to do. Hey, I gotta tell you guys something. This is gonna piss everybody off, but I don't care. So. Yes. I saw this this morning, and you know,

I get really upset when I see this because, by the way, I predicted this. I predicted that there would be an amnesia when we look back at the complete clown show. An utter insanity, traumatizing, just corrupt garbage that COVID, that whole narrative was all complete lies and garbage, 100%.

And the amnesia is this, there's still people watching right now who are like, no, no. Yes, it was. Could have been so much worse. No, it was terrible. Listen, AstraZeneca's COVID vaccine has just gotten withdrawn globally.

Did you hear about this? I just heard about that, yeah. Because of thrombosis. So, okay, if you said blood clotting or thrombosis at all during that whole period, you would've got deplatformed, your business would've been lost. In some cases.

There's so many people all in a slap. Persecuted. Oh, so hard. Yeah. So hard. I remember when people lost their jobs for not agreeing to inject themselves with an experimental, it was an experiment at the time, vaccine,

which by the way, if you said that, that would've got you kicked off. I remember a lot of the stuff that happened back then. Biggest hustle of all time, dude. It's crazy, it's crazy. And now they're pulling them off the market for the exact same things that the quote unquote conspiracy theorists said were true.

Yeah. Oh, it blows me away. And there's still people like, oh, we never forced anyone, that didn't happen. We still saved a lot of lives. Dude, in the amount of herbal diarrhea, I saw a few of the, the reps, I don't know if it's from Pfizer or like Moderna, but they were like grilling them about like the efficacy of the vaccine. And it was just like trying to, trying to pull the yes or no questions. And then they're, well, you know, some data was unclear about this, like, yes or no? Like, did it prevent, you know, transmission?

Did it, you know, and like, they won't just be like, no, we thought it would, but no, you know? And it's just like, it's very clear. No, actually the data's really clear now. There's a group of people that got a net positive, and they were like sick old people. Everybody else, almost everybody else, did not get a net positive from these,

but we also on top of it shut down and destroyed small businesses, caused people to lose their jobs, traumatized and permanently caused cognitive issues with children, because you took a bunch of kids out of school or forced them to wear a mask, the part of the brain that reads faces had to develop differently.

They're showing this strong evidence now. That's always been the case. You caused more suicides, you caused more drug overdoses, you destroyed the economy, you caused inflation. It was a complete failure and data is now showing that we probably killed more people because of our policies. Not just save people, we actually killed more people as a result.

Did you see the interview that Patrick by David did with Chris Como? He was talking about- He was talking about- He's on ivermectin. Yeah, he's talking about- Because he has long COVID. Yeah.

And he was talking about- He was like, one of the guys like, making fun of Joe Rogan. Well, yeah, exactly. And what he said though is that like, it was the information that they were giving them. Like that's like, so you had all the. Here's the predictions that I made.

Amnesia, that didn't happen. And the next is gonna pass the buck, blame it on someone else. And then they're gonna pick fall guys because people are like, oh, this is crazy. No, and they're gonna start, you know, they're gonna pick sacrificial lambs. So all gonna be on Diddy now.

I was just gonna bring him up. Speaking of fall guys, where's Diddy at? I don't know. But did you see there were a bunch of cars outside Drake's house? Did you see that? Look that up Doug. Oh, well, you know what? You don't know what's going on right now. No, I don't. You just brought something up you didn't even know about, do you? Yeah, that's a whole other thing, right? There's beef going on between Drake and Kendrick right now. Why is there a bunch of cars? Like the craziest, the craziest, okay, remember Tupac Biggie like battles back and forth? Kendrick and Drake are like on another level right now.

Well why are they caught? Why are they a bunch of cop cars? But is it really that intense? There was, yeah, well there ended up someone getting, like shooting guns in front of Drake's house. So last week, this all happened last week. You guys are like the party. Bunch of rich ass entertainers shooting each other.

They didn't even seem that gangster. It's just kind of funny to me. Well that's why, I mean that's the critique right now is like get out of here you guys. You guys are both ridiculous with this like, it's not even that. It's not even that. It's bubble kind of funny. Well, that's why I mean, that's the critique right now is like, get out of here. You guys, you guys are both ridiculous with this. Like it's not, it ain't, it's not even that bubble gum. It started off with just shit talking in their songs. And then it got like, but it was, you know, it's like the most viral sensation

that's happened in the last week. Right? Like it's, it caused more like views to their songs because they were, they were dropping these like by the hour. So just like a couple of days ago, like three. The diss tracks? Yeah, and they're really good. They're actually really good.

Adam, come on, I'm surprised you didn't say this because you're the first person to always go here. Well, I don't bring this stuff up. No, no, not that. What do you think? Do you think this is real or do you think they talk to each other and find it out themselves? So I was talking to my brother-in-law about that.

So the only reason why I think it's real is because this goes back a long time ago. So they've said stuff about each other like lightly in songs in the past and so there it was already known that they didn't like each other. Now it escalated like crazy right now and they're and Kendrick saying things like saying some things that are like saying that Drake's a pedophile. Oh yeah. So yeah yeah so and then they're talking about each other's girls, their family, their kids. So it's got that's why it's escalated to this is because it's gotten really really personal That's the only reason why I don't think it's staged normally

I would think it's staged but these guys are like taking shots at like family and pedophilia Like you know I'm saying like if you decide to stage it looks like you probably set some rules and boundaries like hey Leave my wife and kids out of this like yeah leave like, yeah, but they're going like. Your face looks dumb. You know, start there. Yeah, so they're going pretty hard right now. And so what happened, it was outside Drake's house. There was a shooting outside.

A security guard got hit. Did someone get hit? That's what I said, yeah. Now, Drake, wasn't he, who was that actress from Stranger Things, that girl, that. Eleven? Yeah, but what's her name name? I don't know.

You just know the character name? I forgot, maybe I'm looking for eleven. Yeah, that was her name of the show. You know who I'm talking about? Billy what? Nellie Bobby Brown. Okay, when she was 15, she was interviewed and she said that Drake was her friend

and that he gives her all this dating advice, talks to her about boys. So people are pulling that up because of the... Because of the pedophilia talk. Yeah, yeah, so that's, and that's kind of like where this all stems from is that he's got all these young girl I mean he's like the all the girls love him, right and he gets he has a he has a young audience And so Kendrick's been comes and it doesn't help with like all the P Diddy stuff that's coming out And so that's how this got escalated really fast was that Kendrick made a minute made that shot and then he came back at Kendrick and wow

So was it some of the best songs i've heard in a long time for a minute So you guys know that jay cole is like my favorite rapper. Yeah, he's great at this era And he actually this is what he did he came out and he dissed kendrick and then kendrick came back really hard And then jay cole came back and actually like like apologized and pulled it off his record And he basically said I don't want to be an example the young men today like of shit like this. That's good. That's right. That's why I mean he's got class like that dude. That's why I'm such a fan. Of course a bunch of kids that want to see the beef and all that stuff happen on but it's like man that's what's wrong

with a lot of these rappers and that's one of the things I like J Cole about is the stuff that he raps about is about being he's about growth he's about being a better person and he's lyrically talented and so he started to engage and then he removed himself and said yeah I don't know who he is but I like that yeah yeah I thought so too and so he was originally in all this too all right you want some more crazy stuff did you hear that's did you see what Robert F Kennedy posted no? You just told me this. I mean it's kind of like, duh. I mean who here thinks that polls are accurate?

So Robert Kennedy did a post on X, which I'm sure they won't show anywhere else. He says, hey Trump, I'm grateful for you calling attention to the rigged polling methodologies that the biased DNC influenced media have used against you. He goes, basically agreeing like they are, the polls are their lies, they're full of shit. So he did his own poll with Zogby, or Zogby, which is the largest and most accurate poll of this election cycle. So he paid a third party, do a poll, do a real poll. Let's see what the real

numbers show. Trump versus Biden, Trump beats them big time. Robert Kennedy also beats Biden in a three-way matchup. Trump wins, but RFK is right behind him. Now here's why this is crazy. The polls show RFK in single digit numbers. So he did this other poll and says, no, he's, he's way above what they're showing. So, uh, that's, that's so sl showing. So that's so slimy if that's true. It's so slimy.

I mean, it's believable because I think Kennedy pulls to both sides better than any of them do. Yeah, and he's so reasonable. He's the most centric one of all three. Also, I don't know, maybe I'm biased, but does anybody really support Biden? I mean, does really anybody? Have you talked to anybody ever who's like, yeah yeah I totally love him. No, the thing that everybody, anybody who

supports him what they say is he's better than Trump. That's the... Yeah, but you know someone who said that? Yeah. Right now still? Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, no, I still have the same amnesia friends you're talking about that still think that what we do... They don't think he's like... They still think that the way we handled COVID we did the best that we could have. Wow. They still think that what we did. They don't think he's like, they don't think he's mentally. They still think that the way we handled COVID, we did the best that we could have. Wow. They still think that Biden is a better choice than Trump.

Wow. Well, that's the second part, okay, fine, because politics or whatever, but the first part, they think we handled it right? It's not that they think we had it right. They think with the information that we had. Oh, so they're apologetic, basically. Yeah, it's like that.

It's like, you know, with the information that we had, we did it the best way. It was the best way that we could have. And, and who knows how many lives we actually saved because of the vaccine. We do know. That's the problem now. There's people that still really believe that it would have been, it would have been massively worse had we not did the vaccine.

And they're still, they're still so much better. It just points me to the power of the internet. And if you can get, um, if you can get enough of these platforms that you have control of, which we saw with Twitter. Um, and, and of course that's, you know, when you get really into all these other companies that are

involved, you're going to see like a back door hand and a lot of these influential bots. And dude, this reminds me of, okay, you guys saw this ad on Instagram, right? It was the ad for, you could do a live stream, but now you could show that you have like 20 to 30,000 people all of a sudden watching your live stream. I share that with you guys. It's 100% fake. Yeah, I showed you guys that. And not only that, they had to do multiple screenings of getting rid of everybody's followers,

because half to more than half of their following were all fake. So it's like, what we're seeing is literally an artificial environment. Listen, I don't believe any of this shit. That was a video I shared that with you guys. It was a video of the guy. He's picking up a girl in the bar. And he's like, hey, I don't believe any of that shit. There was a video, I shared that with you guys, there was a video of the guy, he's picking up a girl in the bar,

and he's like, hey, I'm on live, he's at like a bar in like Mexico. By the way, how's? The girl sees, he's got like thousands of people, are you famous? Are you famous? Can I say something? Some of the most embarrassing videos I've ever seen,

there's a lot of douche bags out there too. It's so cringe. Okay, there's a lot of dudes that are obviously, but the embarrassing ones for women are the ones where the guy goes up to a girl, he tries to talk to her, she totally like, I don't have time for you, whatever, I got a boyfriend, and he goes okay,

and he walks over to his Lamborghini, and all of a sudden, oh, this your car? Oh, hey baby, let's hang out. Oh, I haven't seen those. How? Have you seen those? I haven't seen them. So many. Oh, really? I haven't seen those.

How embarrassing. Like, you look like such a terrible human being that you just did that. That's what happened with that Instagram one, because a dude goes up to a girl, she sees he's got a bunch of followers, it instantly changes her energy. Oh!

Okay, so it's interesting that you think that, because you love to take things all the way back to evolution. I know why it's there. Okay, so evolutionary, that is no different than the dude who came, who say, you know, thousand years ago was you she says no thank you that he walks over and he gets his three deer that he just

killed he dragged it off and she goes oh my god actually so it's not really different than that that's my that is modern times a way of flexing your capability of hunting of course same thing I know I know that so get that but so that's less cringe to me in the moment it's more cringe to me that the dude who's like Look, I got a thousand people following me on this fucking artificial. Yeah, it means that means nothing doesn't mean you can ha Means you means you understand how to hack that coney baloney Yeah, that to me is way more cringe the the Ferrari thing face value says cringe

But in that's just modern times ability your ability to hunt if you can afford that thing That means the guy's been able to go probably provide, could potentially provide for the family. I totally understand that, I get it. It's just when it's in the moment, when she literally said screw you, and then two seconds later, Axel, ah. I mean, I get it, I get it.

It's not, it's poor taste no matter how you draw it up, but I get it too though. I mean, I understand that that's like, I think that's innate. It's in you. It's in you I get it too though. I mean, I understand that that's, I think that's innate. It's in you, it's in you and it's like. This is why, this is my favorite statistic that highlights kind of how different men and women are. A scar on a woman's face will almost always

bring her attractiveness down for men. A scar on a man's face makes him more attractive. Why? Because evolutionarily, you're like, oh, he's, he's fought before and survived. He's battle tested. Yeah. That's why you never fixed your nose.

Yeah. Shut up. He became hotter. Your nose, it doesn't even look like you broke it. What do you mean? I did a good job, cause I did it myself. It's very straight. You did it yourself.

Yeah, it was like all the way over here. Was it really? Yes. You were smelling sideways? I wish you had a picture of that. I was, I know, I wish, I wish I did it myself. It's very straight. You did it yourself. Yeah. It was like all the way over here. Was it really? Yes. You were smelling sideways. I wish you had a picture of that. I was. I know. I wish. I wish I did. Wait a minute. What do you mean you did it yourself? How? You just brought a bucket of pop in the back. I looked at the mirror and I just slowly, it hurt real bad. Oh, just the thought of it. Just pushed it. Because even when I, it's still this way. Like, as I breathe, I'm breathing diagonally. No you're not. I'm serious.

You have a deviated septum. I'm gonna have you feel it later. No, I don't wanna do that. Do you have a deviated septum? That sounded weird. No. You sure? Was it from a football hit?

No, no, no, this is from a fight, yeah. Oh, it's from a fight. I like how Justin always gets a little embarrassed when he talks about fighting. I don't like talking about it, it sounds like a douche. Do Do you know why cuz you play started the fight. That's what I probably did Hold on. Did you win or lose the fight? I won that you still won after that. Yeah, that really pissed me off Yeah, I would kind of went crazy on Your loss the fight yeah, oh really oh yeah, what was that like?

So it was embarrassing more than it was like painful. Of course. Yeah. It was more like, um, so I was talking shit about this guy and, um, he, this is when I was younger and he was actually like with his friend, like hiding. So I was, I was down where this, like, um, one of my neighbor's houses, there was this like basketball court and there's this retaining wall and they were kind of like hiding down the retaining wall. I think they were trying to like mess with me anyways.

And I was, and I gotten kind of like a verbal spat with them down at the bus stop. And I come back and I'm like talking shit, you know, one of my friends about them and they're down there hiding and then jumps up, hey, what's up? And I'm like, yeah, you know, like I'm all scared because they like took me by surprise and then we just got into it and like, it was one of these weird fights where I'm like,

it's in slow motion. I'm kind of punching, hitting air. I'm like, this isn't working, you know? And then he kicked me a few times and like kicked kick me like a martial artist and shit yeah and he kicked me in the ribs and I like it took the air out of me and I was like I could breathe start crying it's so embarrassing. I've never been kicked before. I was so into it because everything was so unexpected. Yeah I wouldn't expect a kick at all. Well when he jumped out from the thing yes I was like already it's cause everything was so unexpected. Yeah. I wouldn't expect to kick at all. And well, when he jumped out from the thing, I was like, I was like already, like, I don't know if I had a buddy, I was already scared. And so it made me even more like, ah,

one of the fights we got into a went down like this. We were at a party, we're at my buddy's house. The guy who got laid out, he was, uh, talking shit about this other guy at the, she's at, so imagine like a, like a suburban house, right? And we're at the bottom of the driveway and people are in the garage drinking, smoking, some of that in the garage is cracked open. And my buddy is drunk talking shit about a guy who's in the garage could hear everything and dude just like slides out from the truck and running downhill. And buddy turns around and just, blah,

lights out from that. I was like, oh my god. I got, did I ever tell you, I got in a little fight at 24. At 24, in the gym? So Don was my general manager. I was a weekend manager. I had just moved over, fitness manager, and there was the, another senior sales counselor, whatever, or one of the top sales guys.

Him and I were getting an argument, and Don, I hope he doesn't get mad at me saying this, he was like, why don't you guys just, why don't you guys just iron it out right here, or whatever. So he started pushing me, we started fighting, and I put him in a guillotine, and I put him to sleep. I choked him out. Yeah, he fell on the ground, I fell.

And he got up and he got really scared. Using your purple belt moves. No, this was before, this was just, I just UFC watched it. I have. I have. I knew I had something. I used to think I knew karate.

I'd never lost in a fight, but I haven't been in a ton outside. But in a Jiu Jitsu tournament, I got embarrassed terribly. Terribly. I had won a tournament, nobody scored a point on me. I was super cocky going to the next tournament, and it took the guy 15 seconds to submit me. And I had my family there, everybody's there, Sal's gonna do so great, and it was the guy 15 seconds to sub me. And I had my family there, everybody's there,

Sal's gonna do so great, and it was single elimination. So they showed up, they waited all day for me to fight, purple belt division, 15 seconds, tap out, all right guys, we're going home. I'm so embarrassed, dude. I'm so bad. I had an embarrassing, talk about 24 hour fitness and fighting, embarrassing.

So remember, I'm only like 20 years old, 20, 21 years old. And so adult, well, I, so this is, this is, no, this is even more embarrassing because I didn't even get into a fight. I actually, so I had been talking to my staff about the, one of the last fights I'd been in and I was telling them how I like whooped this guy's ass, right? And oh, they, they were talking shit to me that they didn't believe me. So now they've got photos of it. So they're like, get out of here. I'm like, yeah, no, this was like a big

deal. Like everybody was a huge crowd there. People took photos, video of everything like that. So I had all these photos of it and I had brought it to work. You saved the photos. You still have them? No, I don't know. HR took them. So I got, wait a minute, they never gave it back. Bro. Yeah. The next, the next day, the next day I was audited and I didn't even remember that they I had brought him to work the day before and they were in like my manager by no wait a minute you got audited for something else Wow and they audit you they find photos of your street fight yes that's hilarious what a god word of God bro wow you know I think back at all times I'm so lucky I kept my job.

Hey listen, it was only because. You and I, you know, okay, I feel like one of the reasons why people kept telling me to work with you and vice versa, because we have a very similar story. We were both. We both. Black ball, bro. Yeah, should have been fired multiple times.

At least. But our performance kept us in the job. At least four times I've been in the office with HR and then they wanted to fire me. Like I was known by like they knew who I was. I'd been down to visit me more than once. I wish I worked with you. I wish we actually worked together. We would have got out of Blazing Glory. Oh my god. So embarrassing. What am I doing with the photos? Like I think back is like I'm an adult managing other men and women and I'm like I got a high school street fight. Like check this out in my binder.

You know what I'm saying? Like, oh my God, what am I doing? And then to get caught by the HR rep, like, what is this? You know, like, yeah, that was bad. That's embarrassing. Yeah, I got pulled in to, I told you guys this, I left the company and I left in a blaze of glory and told the president F off or whatever.

Thought I'd never get hired back. I got brought, and then while I was gone, I had a gym down in Palm Desert and I got shopped by a 24 hour fitness vice president who's a good friend of ours now, Mike Apple, right? So I don't know who he was. He's pretending to be a member shopping us. As he walks out, Don recognizes him.

I'm like, oh, that's a VP for whatever, fuck you. As he's on his way out, that's what I said to him. So, you know, I don't know, a year later, I get hired back to 24, and they gave me the club I wanted, which was up here in San Jose. They had ReGrand open Hillsdale, and I go in there, and like, hey, before you start, this was actually before, not the audit,

but like before you start, we want you to come up to headquarters up in Mountain View, and meet with your VP, and you're, but like before we start, we want you to come up to headquarters up in Mountain View and meet with your VP and your, I'm like, okay, cool. I thought it was Curtis. I thought that was my VP, I love him. So I walk in and it's the dude that shot me as he walked out that I said F off. Oh, this is gonna suck.

That's my boss. He turned out to be great. We'd be great friends. I know he's a fan of the show too. Shout out to Mike. I don't think Mike liked me either when we first started. So, cause I, I can't remember my first run in with him, but it wasn't good. I definitely had like that reputation and it's, it was all like stupid things like just bad luck. Yeah. You're a young guy, you know? And I feel like a lot of that kind of played into totally. I was so

immature. Come on. I didn't have a father figure slap me around and tell me that was stupid. You don't party with your employees. Yeah, that was, I mean, I made so many dumb mistakes like that. Yeah, I would. We were kids. I was 18, 19, 20. I mean, you can't expect the 20 year old to me. I hate saying, Hey, biggest lesson though. I mean, I, I mean, the biggest thing from it take away one thing else is like, is perform man. I tell you what you get away with. That's it lot of latitude when you, when you, when you, when you show it, it's no different like professional sports. So they do, they put up with some personalities on teams. If you're the top scorer, you know what I'm saying? You score, you score a lot. And then it's like, okay, we can,

we can figure this other shit out. So they definitely did. Hey, I thought, I thought for sure when you brought up the, the Kendrick and I, I gave you the beef thing, you were going to do a transition to commercial. Oh, butchermogs. Yeah. I thought that was a layup for you. I thought, Oh, I got beef. I thought Sal would be like, speaking of beef, speaking of beef, here's your butchermogs commercial. You missed it, bro. You missed it when I'm telling you. That gotta give me a week. That's not it. That's too obvious.

Hey, listen. But serious, though. What are the steak tips? Who had the steak tips? I've had them, yeah. Everybody's talking about them. I think Doug's had them, too. So they're just chunks of steak?

Yeah, they're almost like cubed. Like, they're really good. I do skewers with them sometimes. Are they pre-cooked or you cook them yourself? No, cook them yourself. They cook them. Oh, wow. And so, and what, do you marinate them or what?

Sure. You can. Yeah, or just season them. If you do skewers, it's slice an onion or a bell pepper in between and do like a barbecue. I haven't tried that yet. But I'm seeing people posting about the steak tips. Apparently it's a really.

Is it one of the freemiums this month, right? It is. You can get those free in every box for a year if you order. Oh, awesome. And or salmon? Or you could choose salmon or chicken breast. So you have a choice between the three. I just remembered, I gotta show you guys something.

I thought of the perfect gift for each other. I think all of us would enjoy this. Okay. Doug, Google... It's not often we all have the same. Paintball security camera. Oh, that sounds cool. It's exactly what I said it is.

The paintball. It's a security camera. That's way better than. It's exactly what I said it is. The paintball. It's a security camera. That's way better than Nest or a. That shoots paintballs at people. Ring. Stupid. That's ridiculous. That's amazing. Imagine having that in front of your house and just.

Well, you remember the ring one I told you guys about that's super cool where you actually, it's actually a drone that just takes off and then flies around. Yeah, but you can't shoot them. So this thing shoots? Shoots. Come on, let me see this.

I swear to God, pull it up. Let me see this. I'm gonna buy one. For sure. I think this would be good. Mainly because I have a crow that comes and eats my garbage, pulls the garbage out of my garbage. Oh, do you really?

It's a crow that's doing that? I'm not gonna shoot a crow. Not a raccoon? I don't wanna say that right here. What is this? That's it right there. How does this work? Where do you mount it?

So push play on the video there, watch this. Let me see this, blow it up, I wanna see it. Blow it up. So on the bottom right. There we are. We gotta wait for the ad. Can you? That neighbor's dog that takes a shit on my lawn all the time?

Yeah, this could be cool. I mean, how amazing would this be? Yeah, no, this is cool. There we are, trying to skip the ad here. Your first time on the internet? Doug's a big Google guy. It's an AI security camera. Oh, wait, it literally shoots.

I think it might be motion detected. This is hilarious. No way, dude. Oh, oh, he's all... Dude, how awesome is that? Tell me right now, you're not going to want to go buy one. I do want to have five seconds to leave the, so I want to know if it's,

if it just automatically fires on anybody, you was like, I get people that walk back. I get, my camera goes off every day and every night around dusk and everyone walks their dogs around a problem because we do have neighbor kids coming over. Is ever here to play? Ah! Look, this guy's aiming. You can aim with it. So you pull up your phone.

Oh, that is. You can aim and fire. That's a company. We got to shot this company out. Even though we're not paid by this. Do you know in my luck, my oldest would hack in and figure out, you know, how to blast people. Paint cam.

Paint cam. Yep. This is brilliant. Also, also, did you know you could buy a drone dog that has a flamethrower on it? I did see that. Yeah. Is that Boston Dynamics? They could look like one of their robots. No, I don't know, but I think you could buy it. I think you. It's a flame. Or I. Thrower. Flamethrower drone dog or robot dog. That makes no sense why somebody'd be allowed to buy that. I don't know, but I almost, I mean,

I kind of feel like if you had one and I had one, we can train them. No, we can battle. Oh, like battle. Flame throw battle. No, what I want to get, and I want this for the Truckee house and for the ICE, is there's an attachment for Doug's guns that's a flame thrower.

Why does it have to go on a gun? Doesn't go, yeah, just candle on. No, no, no, no. No, there's the one. Hey, look at this dog, bro. There's anachment for your gun We're so far oh my god, they're gonna get weird there's gonna be so many like You can buy that call the therminator. It's ninety four hundred dollars

Like what could go wrong listen? to me. Listen to me. I mean, if shit hits the fan, imagine you have a property where you've got the dog flame thrower, you got the paint ball thing, like sick. Yeah. But think about it right now. Let's say there's a solar. This can't be good for the climate you guys. Well, okay, listen, imagine there's a solar flare, power goes out, shit,

it's the fan. You got this, you're set, man. You just stay in your house, you're like, pfft, nobody's coming inside. If your neighbors know you got a flame throwing dog. That's actually legal? Apparently. Good question. Not in California, nothing's legal in California. Does that say it's $8,400, should I think?

$9,000. $9,000? Well yeah, how much you think a flame throwing dog costs? Okay, yeah, so, areamethrowers legal in my area? The only state that's red is California. Stupid. Oh the only one. Does that mean we can't use it for the turkey house?

We can't have nothing fun here. Gavin Newsom doesn't allow any fun. Stupid. I wanna have a flame throwing dog. What is that? Yeah. They're showing how it's made. Uh oh.

So hold on a second, why'd you think you attached a flamethrower to his gun? Because where we, where Doug and I get, I'm so glad you didn't do that. Where Doug and I get our guns, that's exactly what it is. It attaches right to the AR. Goes right to it.

And it just blows flames? So you can have a flamethrowing robot dog, but they still haven't figured out how to like have a dish washing. Yeah, that's right. Come on. Well, because there's less precision. You know what I've always, what people have always said that is so interesting is you don't want any miles

to travel to the moon and back and we have, and we can, and it can rocket can go and do that. We can't get a car to go past a hundred thousand miles. Like that's fucking, think about that for a second. They totally can. Of course they can. You mean to tell me like for some reason for the last, like, I don't know, what is it, 70 years, 50 or $100 miles is like just the max like cars go? Hey, wasn't there a guy that figured out how to get engines to run on water and then he disappeared? Justin, is that real? I've heard that. Do you remember that guy?

Yeah, that sounds like an urban legend, but it does, yeah, it sounds like it ran off of like hydrogen, right? Something. Yeah. It was like a water-powered something, and he was showing people, and then he disappeared. I've heard a lot of stories like that, or the first flying car, and the guy got mysteriously suicided himself. It's so weird that a company wouldn't come out. I know you brought up that Rolls-Royce stat,

which I thought was really fascinating. I did not know that about Rolls-Royce. But it's interesting that a company like that wouldn't come out with a really expensive car and it's like listen you like lifetime warranty and we just we take we take care of it. You lose money eventually. Huh? You stretch it out long enough you lose money. Not if you get them on the service side of it. You get them on the service side. Do you know why, do you know one of the challenges along those lines, one of the challenges with some of these new

therapies with psychedelics, for example. It works too well. Yeah, one treatment or two or three treatments and then you don't wanna have to see you again for three years or two years. It's not a good business model. No, and so the pharma companies, like how do we make money off of this? How do we make money off of this one?

You know what cluster headaches are? Have you ever heard of cluster headaches? They're the worst, right? I watched this whole. It's not just a migraine, it's like compounded, right? Yeah, they commit suicide. And there's no treatment except for psilocybin once every six months.

And they don't get the cluster headaches anymore. Wow. But there's no way to make money off that. It's not patented and what are you gonna do, sell you two pills? Yeah. A year? I don't know. That's sad. Yup.

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I want to say you got the John Deere polo on. You got tons of books behind you. What up Kyle? Oh yeah. Okay, yeah I want to say you got the John Deere polo on, you got tons of books behind it. What do you do for work? I'm super curious now. Yeah, I'm a software developer so I develop a mobile app for John Deere. Okay that makes a lot of sense. All right. All right cool. What's your question man? All right well hey a huge thank you for all the great content you guys put out so consistently and being willing to take my question. So I've been consistently, I'm 36, been consistently going to the gym every morning for the last six years.

But the bulk of that time, my focus was cardio. And I would occasionally throw in some light resistance training, but I found your show last fall and totally changed my time at the gym. So I do just 10 or 15 minutes of cardio and otherwise spend the entire time doing resistance training. And just as I've gotten into it, I think one of the big factors that's slowing me down and slowing my recovery and really you guys' emphasis on the importance of sleep is what made me realize this, is that I don't get great sleep. And that's not because I'm not trying.

So I've tried my best to ensure that I allow myself eight hours a night, but I never really get eight hours. I fall asleep very quickly. It's never an issue of falling asleep, but I get up multiple times through the night. And then the big deal is that I stay awake for between 30 minutes or an hour. And I track my sleep using my Apple watch. I know that that's imperfect. That's not scientific, but it definitely is enough to give me a measure.

And I can see very consistently, I fall asleep away. And I get about, you know, it usually like 40 minutes of deep sleep, rarely more than that. Like the maximum I've ever seen of deep sleep is around an hour, which I know is way less than what it should be. And then I find myself waking up in the middle of the night and then wake for 20 minutes, 30 minutes, an hour, sometimes more. I've tried following your, your three to one rule on most evenings. Sometimes it's challenging to follow it really strictly. But I try limiting

my fluids and try to wind down into bedtime as best I can. I've tried heart high carb, low carb. So I, the only diet related connection I can make is that it's, it seems to be way worse when I'm in a calorie deficit versus a surplus. But I've not been able to make any connection between lifting days versus rest days. I usually Saturday, Sunday are more my rest days. And so that seems like it doesn't really correlate. I've tried looking at different sleep products, like some of the ones that you've mentioned, but a lot of them are positioned to help you fall asleep faster, which is something I don't really struggle with necessarily. I've experimented some with low doses of melatonin,

but just kind of makes me, doesn't really fix the root of the issue. Just kind of makes me more drowsy. So, um, that's, that's where I'm at. I wish, pardon. Does your temperature fluctuate and that's what kind of brings you up. Yeah. What wakes you up? Are you having to go pee or are you just randomly waking up out of nowhere? It's both. I definitely have to go pee, you know, three times a night-ish or sometimes more. But sometimes it's not even that. Sometimes I wake up and I don't even have to go necessarily. So it's not just that and

it's not like I wake up sweating or extremely cold. Like I feel like, you know, we manage our temperature, you know, normally they, we, you know, try to get it down to like 67 either by opening the window or, or running the air or whatever, you know, whatever it takes. So there's a, uh, I think I know why, but first I'll ask you, do you consume alcohol or cannabis? Um, not cannabis. I do have, uh, like a glass of wine on the weekends, but first I'll ask you, do you consume alcohol or cannabis? Um, not cannabis. I do have, uh, like a glass of wine on the

weekends, but very light amount. I mean, I'm talking like less than two glasses a week. Okay. Okay. And then you get sunlight during the day. Right. Um, yeah, that's a, I mean, that's a

challenge. So I work, I work a, uh, so I work remotely. So I'm in like a shed next to my house. So I, I come out here in the morning before sunlight, and I usually, by the time I'm coming in, it's five, six p.m., and then I have a family. So don't get a lot of sunlight. So two things, sunlight does impact sleep quite a bit.

So I would really try to make an effort, either sit right next to the window, or if you could work outside for an hour. Or get a 10-minute break salad yeah it just gets sun just get some sun because I mean we sit in the studio and we have electronic light you know in here and it affects us this affects my sleep for sure versus the weekends when I'm outside but the second thing matter what what time of day like early matter whether early earlier the better earlier the better but all day would be great when the the sun's out, get some sunlight.

That just makes a difference. But I don't think that's the root issue. I definitely think that's contributing and I think it'll be, it'll help to get sunlight, but what you're saying sounds like a textbook, uh, uh, over stress, over, over, over training, very textbook. So typically if your body is not managing stress, which includes workouts, it could be mental stress, it could be personal stress.

Uh, when those things, uh, are, are overwhelming for the body, very classic textbook sign is waking up. Uh, throughout the night, by the way, having to pee throughout the night, that happens when you wake up. It's not, you're not waking up because you have to pee. If you wake up and then you have to pee. Uh, sure. The body does a very good job of shutting that down.

If you're able to stay in a really, really good, um, you know, um, stages of sleep. So, uh, I would look at workout. I would look at your personal stress. Um, I don't know, you know, if, if, if it is indeed your workout, like one, one thing you could try is you could take a week or two off exercise and just walk, just stay active. And then three, four, five days into it, if you notice your

sleep dramatically improves. Okay. Then this probably has to do with stress, but it's very textbook. Okay. In my experience working with clients, what you're explaining, um, and it, you know, sometimes it's hormone issues, this and the other could be, but generally speaking, it's just the, it's the body's handling too much stress. Did you say you're drinking caffeine?

You're not drinking caffeine? I do. Um, certainly I did cycle off of it for a while, uh, over Christmas break. That was a good time to like, you know, reduce. I wasn't, you know, I don't know, it was just I wasn't waking up as early that type of thing. I didn't have to worry about work for, you know, for quite a while, you know, two weeks or so around Christmas. So I did get off of it 100%. But then I'm right back on it. So I absolutely rely on that. What's your what's, what's the latest time that you're drinking a caffeine drink or coffee? Yeah. And how much I only, I only have it. Uh, so I work up, I work out right when I get up, I only have it right before I work out and then I have none for the rest of the day. And I usually do like 200

ish 200 to 300 milligrams. And you go to, and then what time you go to bed? Um, it's pretty, pretty early. Uh, yeah, we usually are in bed by nine. Oh, you're fine. So we put our kids to bed and we're ready. Yeah, you're fine. Yeah.

It's, it's, it's a stress thing. So what does your workout look like? Um, yeah. So I've done, so I have maps, uh, power lift and I can't say that I follow it super, super strictly, like I, you know, watch the videos and do the workouts, but I more or less like, I know this is totally anti everything you guys preach. So this is, you know, confession time,

but I kind of just do whatever I, you know, I try not to leave the gym exhausted, but I try to just fill the, you know, whatever time I have, I try to fill it. And it also depends on how good I'm feeling at the time. So I, I definitely flirt some with over training, but I try to like be conscious of the fact that like, I want to leave the gym feeling good, like you guys say.

But I definitely don't like follow the prescription to a T. So this, this helps right now. I, and I'm curious what you think. I, right away what comes to mind for me is MAPS 15 advanced. And instead of spending 50 minutes to an hour in the gym, getting outside and getting in the sun. So it's like, if you're dedicating 50 minutes to an hour to the gym, and I'm saying, give me 20 minutes in the gym, and then get outside for 40 minutes and get in the sun,

I think it would benefit you more. Yeah, so here's the textbook, textbook symptom of too much stress on the body. You fall asleep quickly and then you wake up several times throughout the evening. You fall asleep quickly because you're exhausted. Your body's exhausted. So you hit the pillow and it's like I'm out. But then you end up waking up throughout the night. That's textbook over training, over stress. You know, you do have two kids and know what that's like. Hold your kids. So I've actually got four kids. So I've got a 10 year old,

an eight year old, a five year old, and then a one and a half year old. So yeah, we're, yeah, we're busy. Yeah, bro. What's going on? How you doing, buddy? It's too much stress. We might prescribe hugs. Yeah, you're doing too much. So, yeah, I mean, that's,. It's too much stress. We might prescribe hugs. You might use to do hugs every day. Yeah, you're doing too much. So you're managing too much. You're also a software engineer, so your work is probably stressful in the sense of high performance, deadlines,

and then on top of it, it is stressful in the body to sit and look at a computer and do that all day long. Having kids- Yeah, I do that for 12 hours a day. Yeah. Yeah. I literally Adam's prescription is it maps, maps 15 and then the other 30, 40 minutes to go outside. Just nice walk. That's it. And actually do something for yourself. Very enjoyable. I don't know if you like listening to audio books or certain music, do choose,

choose something therapeutic to put in your ears and walk, just get outside. And you know what'll happen, by the way, here's what'll happen, you'll get stronger in the gym. It's how you know. Yes, yes. That's how you know like, oh my God, I'm way stronger. Like, okay, this is moving in the right direction.

So. And this one I'm gonna ask you to follow to a T. So don't be doing your own shit, follow it to a T as it's laid out, MAPS Antibolic Advanced, or excuse me, MAPS 15 Advanced version, which is the barbell version. And then the other 30 to 40 minutes, go outside the gym and just go walk out in the sunlight and put something that you think is relaxing for you.

That'll be relaxing music or audio book. And just really. That's the biggest movers. I mean, we haven't talked about it in a long time, but I don't know if you wear any of the blue blockers in front of the screen the whole time you're on there. And I, you know, I've looked at them, I've looked them up and then I get like, I'm not sure which one to get. And so I kind of get this paralysis of decision and I just not purchased any.

So you think of a stress bucket, okay. And it's filled with water to the rim. Blue light blocking glasses is taking a teaspoon of water out of there. Changing your workout, like we said, is dumping a decent amount. So, so, and then when your sleep gets better, your, your ability to handle more stress goes on. Adding the sunlight in there is going to grow your bucket. Yeah.

So, so I would, yeah, I just, just literally follow maps. 15 advanced barbell. You're in the gym, you're doing two exercises. That's it. You're out. Don't go to failure. Spend some time outside and then do the rest of your day. And you'll notice, you should notice some pretty profound impact. Doug's gonna send that to you.

And I'd love for you to follow back with us and let us know how this, you know, give it a few weeks of doing this consistently. And then let us know how things are going. I have a, I feel pretty confident you're gonna see. I would do this because we're talking you, what's today? Today's Tuesday. I would take the rest of the week off, start Maps 15 advanced next week and then that'll be a good start. I don't know if I've ever taken, I mean I know. Oh bro, you're just giving us more. This will be good for you.

This is good, this is good. The more you talk the more information that you get. You just keep confirming what I'm saying. I feel like the gym is my stress-stress. Like that is my way to get rid of this. Okay, Sal. Hey, so this is what you... To take Sal's advice so it doesn't feel like you're, you know, you're losing a limb to just go for the walk for the rest of the week. So go outside. So start right now getting outside. Instead of going lifting weights and hitting anything or running or doing anything intense, go for a nice walk. You're going to burn some calories, get some movement. I like what Adam's saying because I'm assuming you leave the house but if you stayed home for an extra hour and a half then you got to deal with the kids and all that shit so you're not really getting stress relief. So yeah do it Adam. Go for a nice walk outside.

I would love it. It's good what probably good weather. I don't know where you're at. Where you're at over here it's nice weather right now but if it's good enough weather to be outside go outside. I would love it. It's good. What probably good weather. I don't know where you're at. Over here. It's nice weather right now, but if it's good enough, what it would be outside, go outside, do that for the rest of the week. Next week, start the maps 15 program, the way we had it laid out, don't add anything to it. And then the extra time add that walk. And I promise you, give me a few weeks of that. And I think you'll, I think you'll notice within a week or two. Yep. Yeah, that sounds solid. I'll, I'll give that a shot. I mean, it's certainly plausible. I, um, That sounds solid. I'll give that a shot. I mean, it's certainly plausible.

And thank you. But as it relates to overtraining, I've been living under the assumption that as long as I'm progressing, you know, strength wise, you know, I can keep upping progressive overload, as long as that seems to be going well, like I'm not overtraining. Is that not necessary? That must not be true. Well, the reason why it's not necessarily true, Kyle Kyle with you is because this is relatively new for you you are a run run type of guy and you're just now really becoming a weightlifting guy so

you're actually getting you're getting a lot of the newbie gains and benefits of getting strength and so what's happening is it's telling you're getting that and you're like oh I'm doing fine because I'm getting stronger I'm doing better so I must be fine but that a lot you're getting in spite of yeah but what you're noticing right now is you're waking up, but if you keep going down this path, you'll start getting louder signals. Yeah, it'll eventually stall.

What's cool though. It's very clear, I've seen this personally with clients at least a dozen times, and then with other trainers and stuff like many times, it's a very classic textbook, too much stress, literally fall asleep quickly, wake up throughout the night. That's like, that's 85% of the people who do that. That's what's happening. I think you're gonna see a profound difference

just from the advice right here. If you follow it, that's gonna be the key is to take it and follow it. And I promise you'll feel difference. All right, well thank you guys. I really, really appreciate it. That sounds spot on. So I'll give it a shot. Cool, follow up with us. All right. Well, thank you guys. I really, really appreciate it. Um, that sounds spot on. Uh, so I'll, I'll give it a shot. Follow up with us. All right, Kyle. Thank you. Thank you so much.

Do you know who did the same thing? What Mike Matthews, Mike Matthews and I were talking back and forth and he was having issues with sleep and he would tell us about it, you know, like whatever. And he dropped his sets by a third. He's like, all of a sudden he could sleep. He's like, bro, I was over training. It's a very classic textbook, and there could be other reasons.

I'm not saying this is always true, but it's often true. The more he talked, the more I was like, oh, okay. I was like, I don't know, this is a kid's set. You have four kids. Yeah, yeah. Listen, listen. Come on, sit at a desk for 12 hours a day.

To anybody who's listening. Anytime I sit for a couple hours straight looking at a screen, it fucks with me. By the way, to anybody who's listening right now, especially a trainer or coach who's like, oh my God, how did they know? It's just purely based off of experience. We've trained so many people for so long that I've seen enough people like this where I could guess, and then he confirms it as he continues along. By the way, for trainers and and coaches this is why we made

our trainer course the way we made it. We literally put our experience in there. It's not like other certifications. This is our experience so you could go in there learn and then you'll be able to work with people like we just did on this. I'm glad he brought up the fact that he was still seeing positive things as far as like strength in the gym and stuff like that, because we've talked about, that's like one of the number one indicators, but it doesn't mean it's the only one, or doesn't mean that you're necessarily.

It's not foolproof. Yeah, especially with a guy who's really just introduced strength training. So of course he's seeing positive, and that's why too, he's not even following our programs. You could almost do anything weight training wise, and you're gonna see positive change, because it's this new anything weight training wise, and you're going to see positive change because it's this new, it's novel.

And his body's going to have those newbie gains. And even though he's not taking care of his sleep, even though he's got all this stress going on, but what's great is that if he takes the advice, he should be able to do less. His strength will go faster. Exactly. He'll see even better results in the gym

and the sleep will improve, and he'll be doing less in inside the gym. Our next caller is Michael from New York. What's up, Michael? How you doing, man? Hey guys, how you doing? Good. Well, I got some questions about power lifts and grip strength. So I figured I'll give you guys just a quick bit of background because I promised my wife I wouldn't fangirl too hard. Well, you guys are amazing.

I know you hear it all the time. The impact of having on the fitness community is profound. I was always doing pushups kind of on and off, quit smoking cigarettes almost four years ago and got really into weightlifting. And then six months in, I found you guys. It's been a tremendous help to me. So I guess I'll just get right into it. So Maps Powerlift Phase One,

the last week of Phase One where you add weight until you hit eight reps. When I do that, the estimated one rep max is usually significantly, my one rep max is usually significantly higher my one rep max is usually significantly higher than what I did with eight reps. So should I stick to the estimate or should I use what I got eight reps for or my last tested one rep max? Use yours. Use yours. The formula,

you know, this is the one of our challenges. Problem with RPE. And why we we don't do RPE in any other program, right? We knew we had to do it for a powerlifting program because people would be following this to get ready for a meet and they would need something specific like this. But this is part of the reason why we always coach to you guys or we talk on the show about learning to feel this stuff out. Because there is no perfect mathematical formula to give to somebody to follow this protocol. It's a good base and a generic start for somebody who's absolutely clueless on what weight they should put on the bar. But somebody who's got experience like you even knows that like, oh, I can feel

that I've got this much more in the tank even though it's telling me I only need to do this. I would tell you to go off your field. So I'm gonna push back just a little bit here because I'm like you are. So whenever I do an estimate based off of, you know, I can, my one rep max is always higher than what the, what I'm supposed to be able to do based off of what I do for X amount of reps.

And I think it's, I don't know if it's cause fast switch muscle fibers, whatever the case may be. Now I found with myself and with other people I've worked with and I've, and some friends that are powerlifters, that when you follow the programming, even though your 1 rep max is different than what it may be calculating, it tends to be better to go towards that side than it is to go towards pushing the intensity at a higher level. In other words, it's probably better to underdo it a little bit and as long as you're seeing yourself getting stronger and stronger and stronger, it might be better to go that way because what tends to happen when you go off of

what your actual one rep max is each time is the intensity gets pushed a little too hard in my experience with a lot of people, especially with people who are newer to powerlifting or this style of training, especially if you've done any bodybuilding training in the past where intensity is a little bit, it's gauged differently than it is for powerlifting. Powerlifters rarely train for intensity. It's really based off of numbers. And if they go in and then today it says, I'm supposed to do five reps with this

weight and they're like, wow, that was easy. Coach is like, I don't care. We're not adding weight to the bar. Do five reps with that weight. It's typically what they'll do. Same thing with Olympic coaches until they start to really fine tune things. It's typically what they stick to. Same thing with Olympic coaches. Until they start to really fine tune things as typically with this thing. It's reps just like anything else. Like, I mean, is this like a very recent venture for you in terms of powerlifting?

Is this the first time you've really tried to kind of hone in on that? So this is my second time running the program. I did take a break. I at the end of the first time I did power lift. I switched right into phase two and phase three of aesthetic, but with unilateral movements instead of barbell. And I just restarted. So now I'm, um, I think I'm weak three of, um, phase two of a power lift right now. How are the strength gains?

So, so far it's been great. Um, I hit last time I ran power lift, I hit PRs on all of my lifts. Um, this time I'm on track too. I think I kind of have been overdoing it with the intensity or I've just, like my stress management is maybe off because like my joints are really talking to me. Um, so, um, follow the calculations. Don't go off of your actual, what you think of one rep maxes and consider this to Michael, I think you're going to be able to do a lot of work on that. My joints are really talking to me. Um, so follow the calculations. Don't go off of your actual, what you think of one rep max is and, and consider this too, Michael, the stronger you get, your, your volume is going up.

The load on the body is going up. So you may be doing the same sets, same program, but maybe last time when you did power lift, your squat sets were, you know, 135, 185, 225 or whatever and now you're 225, 245, 265 and you're like, well I'm doing the same amount of sets but your weight has gone up so the volume has gone up. What you'll find is the stronger you get, the more important it is to reduce intensity than when you're weaker because it's increased the volume. So what you're feeling right now is probably a result of that.

You're lifting more weight than you did before You're probably more confident may be pushing yourself a little harder I would back off and follow the programming and let it do its work I mean in a perfect world like if this was me like trying to figure this out for myself in a perfect world I'm gonna run this two different times and in in two different ways, right? I'm gonna run at one time where I'm to be like so true to the RPE and what it says. And even if I feel like I'm like, I'm sticking to it, right? And I'm going to leave the gym going like, I know I could have done more,

but that's okay. I'm falling this time around. I'm falling into T. Then I'm going to do another one where I'm like, Hey, when I feel like I got more of me, I'm going to, I'm going to add more. I'm going to, I'm going to do off how I feel and then compare the two, the results and decide like what because probably the truth It's probably somewhere in the middle of those two I think to Sal's point the and why he kind of countered what I said It's like you're probably almost always and this tends to be the truth with when we're training anybody better

Especially a power lifter or somebody who's been training for a long time Leaning towards the less is more. I mean, we tend to fool ourselves to the, Oh, I could handle, you know, I can tolerate, I can handle more, but is that necessarily optimal for me to get stronger and keep heading to your joints? If you're filling your joints, right. That's usually a sign that you're going a little too much. Okay. So then I'll just cut back on the weight a little bit.

That's what I did this. Like I went in today, I cut the weight down to my last tested one rep max and I felt a lot better. Um, so I'm just going to keep doing that until my joints feel better. And I've been doing the, uh, mobility stuff on my off days or afterwards. Awesome. Good. Um, so my next question is, uh, also related to power lift. When peaking in the last phase, is there a percentage range of increase over my one rep max I should aim for

like a two, like a two to 5% over my one rep max is like, that's going to be the target that I hit after, you know, when I go for a meet or when, you know, after the last week. Oh, that's a good question. That's there's such an individual. That's a really good question. So have you done a meet before? No, I don't plan to. I just want to, I have certain numbers in mind before I potentially do anything else.

So I've only been to one and they give you multiple, you get to go do the lifts multiple times. You'll come out and do three dead lifts or three whatever. I would go with what you know you can do first. What you don't want to do is bomb. So I'd go and then go from there. Ooh, that felt good, let's go another 15 pounds or whatever, and then base it off of that.

That's gonna take some experience to kind of figure out what that's gonna look like. Okay, cool. Yeah. And then finally, I just got one of those great strength testers, because I've heard you guys talk about it. I know you had, I forgot his name, he's some trainer. DeFranco. Joe DeFranco.'ve heard you guys talk about it. I know you had, uh, I forgot his name is some trainer. Hi, Joe DeFranco.

Yeah. You guys talked about it with him, but I don't remember, um, many specific, like when, uh, specifically about percentages and how they relate to training. I just know that if it's lower than average, then you can go a little easier, but I was wondering if you could give me any sort of, um, like closer to a specific metric, I know it's going to be individual, but like if it's down 25%, should I just get the gym in total total or just do like walking and maybe trigger sessions or, you know, is it 60 to 70% below when I'm, you know, 60% to 70% of my one rep max is what I should train

at that day. I would only go, I would only get specific, like really, really detailed. If I've been training for some training someone for a long time and able to identify, um, their own patterns, basically you're not going to go wrong. It's with your non-dominant hand. You squeeze it as hard as you can. Um, and you get yourself an average. And if it's a little below that, yeah, you're probably okay.

If it's a little above it, you're probably okay. If it's like, wow, I'm, you know, that's a lot lower than I am. If it's low and you feel low, like it's confirming how you are going into that day. That's kind of how I would gauge it is more of like, this is like a metric now kind of producing what I thought, or sometimes it surprises me, like I still have a pretty good grip strength reading. what I thought or sometimes it surprises me, like I still have a pretty good grip strength reading. And so, you know, I'll still play with somewhere

in between that though, you know, based off of like, I like to lean on how I feel. Yeah, and I know people hate to hear this, but so much of your workouts and how successful you are is gonna be based off of feel. So, you know, you're doing this grip strength test and you're like, well, on average I do 130 pounds with each squeeze and today was 125 and I feel okay, probably fine.

Or I was 100. Okay, that's 30 pound difference. I probably should take it easy. And then based off of how that works for you over time, you'll get a better idea of how to be more accurate with what you're reading. Well, this requires a long period of time of data, so you got to be doing that before every workout so you have any kind of point to go back and kind of look at trends.

Michael, what do you do for a living? I know, you're very number one. I'm a mechanic. Okay. I'm just curious. Very detailed type questions, came off very engineer-like, that type of guy that would organize his books by color. Well, he also just got certified.

Are you trying to train people? So if it was a lateral move for me financially, then yes, I'd be a trainer. My wife organized the books. She's the OCD one. Yeah. My dad's also an engineer, so that's maybe where I get it. Yeah, you sound like one of my engineer clients.

That's how, like my engineers ask questions just like this. Yeah, you're not going to, it's not going to be a lateral financial move to be a trainer for a mechanic, unfortunately. But you can supplement, you could supplement in the moment with like online coaching or something like that and then take it from there. I help my friends and family out for free and I'm like the guy to go to like in my circle was like, anyone has a question about vitamins or, or exercise routine.

And I always point them in your direction and you know, anything I share from you guys, I kind of distill that for them. Awesome. Um, yeah. So that's really what I've been doing. I mean, you'll have to go through the core. Definitely go through the course. If you decide to make it three days.

The free training that we did. The webinar? Yeah. I know it was probably a long time ago. I did all your webinars, the Prime Pro, the Maps Prime and Prime Pro webinars. No, no, this one was for trainers. This is where I teach you, Adam and I are up there

teaching trainers how to build a better business, how to present, it's really, really cool if you're interested in that kind of stuff. I mean, if you're interested in that space at all, it's worth, it's free. So it's mindpumptrainercourse.com and it's a three day free webinar for trainers. Yeah, I would definitely, I, yeah, I've just been trying to help people as much as I can. And, um, like I said, if it was a lateral move,

I would definitely be in the health and wellness industry. I kind of found out after I'm already a career mechanic, but that's okay. Um, I still really enjoy it. So it doesn't matter. Oh good. Good for you, man man. Well thanks for calling in bro. Thank you so much guys. You got it man. All right. Yeah, I mean true, if he's a career mechanic,

it'd be a step down and pay for a little while. Yeah, at least. Until he can figure out how to make more. But I mean, we're at a time now where you can do kind of both. Exactly. It's kind of cool. Exactly.

Yeah, when it comes to, like to give an example of what I'm talking about. It's so hard to answer those questions by the way, which is why I think there's very few times you hear us disagree or like, uh, trains of thought. I'll never forget, there was this Soviet style of training. I'll never forget, if you guys ever tried it or anybody watching try it, it's really crazy. They would take an athlete, and I'll use a number.

Is this a two and a half pound thing? No, no. Oh, that's the everyday. Let's say somebody could squat 315 for 15 reps. And they would go, you're gonna squat 315 three days a week for 10 reps and you're gonna do it for 45 days. Regardless of how easy it gets. Yeah. Just three days a week, you're gonna go in,

you're gonna do 10 reps even though you could do 15. Then at the end of the 45 days, you see what you can lift and you often add like 30, 40 pounds to your lift. And by the end of that 45, it's just easy. So you're like, well, how could it be getting stronger? This is feeling like a piece of cake. Well, this is how the body gets stronger. So when it comes to like powerlifting training, if you ever watched. Efficient in that lift now, you've really like honed in.

You teach your body like the right mechanics. You rarely ever see an Olympic lifter, like a real Olympic lifter or power lift. They're training with this, oh, that crazy like bodybuilder type intensity. Sometimes it looks like they're just kind of practicing the movements. That's what gets you strong. Our next caller is Randy from Arizona. What's up Randy? How are you doing? How can we help you? Hello. Hi I'm a lot more nervous than I thought I was gonna be but. But I'm just going to start out. I'm just going to kind of read off my phone. I know that everybody starts off by saying thank you,

but I really do feel like I do have to say thanks. I have been listening to you guys for several years now. And you guys have just really helped my relationship with food and exercise. I had like a whole cycle throughout my life of just like restricting and binge eating. So you guys really showed me that I can like eat more food and still be okay with that. So I've gone from like 1700 maintenance calories up to like 2300 now. I guess I'll just get back into what I wanted to say. Uh, it's for my question. Um, so I am 32 years old and I'm five foot two. Um, I have been working out consistently for four years. Um, and then for a few years before that inconsistently while I was in school.

Um, at the beginning of my fitness journey, I started at 177 pounds with a weight circumference of 37 inches. To now I am 171 pounds with a weight circumference of 31 inches and my last body scan showed that I am 29% body fat. I've always struggled with belly fat. However, last June I did take Stephen Cabral's food sensitivity test and found out I'm intolerant to dairy and sesame. So since June I have cut both of those out.

I've noticed a significant decrease in like chronic painful bloating. How oh and then also at the same time I did change from being a pescatarian um for 10 years to incorporating meat back in. Since then I have noticed significant um strength and um just overall like body composition however I do feel like my like midsection really hasn't changed at all. Um I'm also still experiencing intermittent bloating um sometimes with an increase of seven inches in circumference um that is both painful and just at all. Um, I'm also still experiencing intermittent bloating, um, sometimes with an increase of seven inches in circumference, um, that is both painful and just overall uncomfortable.

I also have fatigue, um, low libido and then a high stress job. Um, so I'm just trying to figure out like what direction to take, whether this is just like not enough discipline and I just need to trust the process. Or maybe there might be something more like hormonal imbalances. Randy. So, so let me get this straight. So, well, two things. Number one, your, your, your maintenance calories went from 17 to 23, but you

lost weight on the scale, which is exceptional. That's phenomenal. Is that, that's correct? Yeah, that really was over the span of like a long time. I will, I guess, yeah, I guess I went from like 1800 and then to 23 within a couple months. Yeah. Okay.

Cool. Cool. All right. So what's the difference in your circumference of waste between meals? I'm reading here on this, on your question that it could be a change of seven inches in diameter in a matter of a meal. Yeah. I'm in circumference, but I realize that.

But yeah, so it's like not all the time, but then it's also just like really just random. It can be like I had just like a couple drinks out with friends or like I'm eating a meal that I've already been like eating. That's definitely a reaction. Seven inches is a reaction. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

There's something going on. It sounds like it could be candida. It could also be a parasite It could be SIBO or it could be all three. The only way to know is to do some gut testings But that's that I'm almost positive is what's happening that shouldn't happen. You shouldn't get a change in the circumference of your waist You know close to seven inches, which sounds painful. It sounds like you're really bloated and and by your waist, you know, close to seven inches, which sounds painful. It sounds like you get really bloated and, and by the way, uh, you know, this

symptom can happen in men as well, but I've, I've seen this in women where I had one client, she would, she sent me, she would send me pictures and it was like before she ate after she ate and it was like flat and then pregnant. And we ended up doing gut testing all stuff and she had several issues that she had to treat over the course of six months and then it was gone so I would I would work with you already did dr. Cabral's food intolerance test I would actually hire one of their people are you in the forum already with them we have that free form

are you in there I'm not in there no yeah oh yeah now here's the good here's the good news it's it good news. It's, it's probably something you can treat and then once you treat it, it's gone, but it's, it's, it's something because that's not, that's not supposed to happen. And many times it's stalling progress and building muscle or burning body fat. I mean, just by simply healing that everything else tends to fall into place. I mean, you know, a parasite or Candida or SIBO can also cause ups and downs in energy,

energy crashes, it can cause anxiety, sleep disturbances, changes in libido and mood. If any of these are ringing a bell, you know, they don't have to, by the way, just the change in the circumference between a meal is telling me that's a big red flag. But if you have those other symptoms that I'm talking about, or some of those other ones, then yeah, I would go get tested. They'll find what the hell, what the problem is, and then you'll be able to fix it. Okay. So Mark, cause like I saw like on like Steven Cabral,

like he has a bunch of testing and stuff for that. Um, but like, do you think, I don't know, should I just go to like one like functional medicine doctor that could maybe be a little more specific? Yes. Well, yeah, you can actually hire one of their doctors to do like a, you need to do a one-on-one consult instead of you buying a bunch of over like tests and trying to guess based off the results.

No, they'll be able to direct you in the right direction. You have enough signals that something's going on that even like the advice we're giving Cabral's team will be able to go deeper into this and have better answers than we have. And it'll be worth the investment to hire someone to get to the bottom of this because it'll be life-changing for you. Okay. Okay. All right. Yep. All right. Thank you. Yeah, you got it. Please circle back to, I'd love to hear back. And then the forum, because we're in there also is the MP Holistic Health Forum. So it's on Facebook, it's free.

That's Cabral's team. In fact, you could just post in there, hey, I'm looking to hire or do a consult with the doctor. Exactly. And then somebody will probably reach out to you right away on there. Okay. All right.

Yeah, that would be great. Cause yeah, like I just noticed like in the mornings when I wake up, I'm like, okay, like I could see some progress. And then like literally after breakfast, then all of a sudden just a huge difference and kind of discouraging. Well, no, well, this is good news. This is a very obvious sign that there's something that, that you could treat. So this doesn't, at this point, it's not fixable. It's not mysterious. So you just got to do some testing to find out how to treat it the right way.

Okay. All right. Thank you. You got it's not mysterious. You just got to do some testing to find out how to treat it, uh, the right way. Okay. All right. Thank you. You got it. I mean, look, let's just use my own personal example. Like, uh, I tried treating my own gut issues so many times and I'd get, you know, better and worse and better and worse. Finally, I'm like, let's just test it.

And, uh, I had a parasiteed the parasite and everything's gone. So it's like, once you figure out what it is and you treat it, then you're good. But that's a red flag. If you eat meals, and unless it's like a major food intolerance that you have, but she already reduced, she cut those out. If you eat a meal or eat meals,

and it doesn't matter almost what you eat, or if it's just carbs in general, for example, that's another one, and you get this huge bloat right afterwards and uncomfortable and it's like you can measure it, that's a red flag. Dude, if it was a couple inches, it would be a red flag. Seven inches? Bro, that's dramatic.

That's a huge difference, so it's definitely something going on. Our next caller is Zach from Florida. What's up, Zach? What's up, Zach? How can we help you? Hey, what's going on, guys? How, Zach? What's up, Zach? How can we help you? Hey, what's going on, guys? How you doing?

What's going on? Good, man. Good. I'm starstruck, just like everyone else says. I know you guys are probably tired of hearing it, but you know, my bad. Got to give a shout out to my brother Ben for introducing me to you guys over two years ago now. Right.

So you guys have given me so much time over the years and it's just been really great listening to you guys. Thank you. I'll get right in my way. It's too much of you guys time. Okay. So basically, I want to know, I know you guys talk about establishing a Y for your training. And so I've been training for a little over a decade, I'd say I'm 27 now, and I used

to compete in bodybuilding. The contest prep of that really helps with my establishing consistency and discipline and all that. Even without contest prep as a motivator, I've always been relatively consistent with it. Over the past probably two or three years now, I've really had trouble maintaining that consistency in just either years now, I've really had trouble maintaining that consistency in just either program hopping or just kind of going through the motions in terms of exercises and just not really having a clear established plan with it. And in turn, it's kind of, it's really ruined my relationship with food and having binge eating tendencies.

And so I was wondering, how do you reignite that kind that spark, I guess, if you want to call it that, without being always just aesthetically motivated? Ooh, that's a good, that's a really good question. Are there any other interests you have besides aesthetics when it comes to physical fitness? Yeah, so I find with that, it's, I only know it if I come across it. And so an example of that for me is last year I was introduced to Krav Maga training because my brother and mom got into it. And so I just joined them for, they had a free class.

And so I just said, you know, why not? I didn't really think I'd get into it that much, but I actually really did end up enjoying it. I didn't end up continuing because I had moved and so there obviously logistical problems with that, but. You know, even I've been looking to get into that, but I still haven't got back into it. So it's like, I know I have these performance based interests.

I just feel as if I haven't discovered them yet. Yeah. I w you know, I mean, I think that's a great, um, some great insight. Like I, you know, I did Brazilian Jiu Jitsu for a while and strength training took a backseat for about six years and it was great. It was really great for me to do that. I love lifting weights. It's my favorite thing in the world.

I don't think I'll ever veer away from that, but for someone like you, you body build for a while, you've been lifting weights for 10 years. I would say venture outside of the gym. Krav Maga, good example, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, another example, kickboxing or something else that's active and then use strength training as a way to support it. That in my experience has always been really a recipe for success for people who maintain fitness for their whole lives.

Very rarely do you find somebody who maintains fitness their whole life doing the exact same thing. Those are the fanatics, but I know more people who are fit for their whole lives. Very rarely do you find somebody who maintains fitness their whole life doing the exact same thing. Those are the fanatics, but I know more people who are fit for their whole lives who tend to do that. Like they'll cycle sometimes and they'll swim other times, they'll do other type of endeavors, and then you can use a strength training to support that. Zach, what programs of ours have you ran? Yeah.

So I've started anabolic advance, and then of course, due to my program hopping tendencies, I fall off of it because I always try to prioritize the aesthetic aspect of it. So, for example, on the days with the more corrective exercise and mobility days, which have been very helpful for me to learn and implement into my training, but still I try to implement both things at the same time, established trying to do high volume work and adding more onto what you guys already have in there. In addition to all this other stuff and it's, you know, and I know I need to stop doing

that. It's just hard to convince myself to do so. Zach, how many times did you compete in bodybuilding? I did about three or four competitions over, it's been five years since I've done it, but. Do you remember the, the mental state that you were in for the diet, the pre-contest diet? How long would you diet going into the show? I do 12 to 16 weeks about. Okay. Here's what I want you to do with MAPS Anabolic Advanced. I want you to take that mindset.

Are you able to get that mindset back if you think back to it? Because pre-contest diet sucks. You're just eating. You're just eating what you're back to it? Cause pre-contest diet sucks. I'm you're just eating. You're just eating what you're supposed to. I actually want to switch his program. So I think, I think, I think, I think old time strength or perfect, you need to do something that's the reason what's happening is completely different. Yeah. You are, you're, you keep tipping back into your old, old, like I'm

aesthetic driven guy, which I could totally write to this, which is why when I did mobility, what I couldn't do was do both. I couldn't be maps aesthetic and then lots of mobility with it because then I kept getting excited about aesthetics because that's what I love to do. That's what I'm good at. So I had to become the full mobility guy. I had to give up like caring about how strong I was, what I looked like. I quit. Everything was centered around mobility stuff.

And that was the way that I committed to that. That's how I got all the great results from it. It was incredible. So I think you need to do the same thing. I think Maps and a Bulk Advance is too much aesthetic driven. It's bodybuilder style. Yeah, it's still bodybuilder-esque. You need to go the opposite direction.

Old timey, performance, OCR, strong, some of these other ones that are not aesthetic focused at all. Great idea. And I love old-timey because that was exactly where I was thinking Justin, was because there's lots of unique exercises and moves in there. That you're going to suck at. You have to get good at them. And let that discipline side of you, where you really get into something like get into those moves,

like get into performing and getting good at a windmill, you know, like get, get into that and allow that to be the thing that you focus on your drive, your why, and then, and, and stick to it and stick to it for the entire program. That's a great idea. Yeah. And I mean, at the end of the day, the by-product is that like you're going to build strength in different parts of your body you didn't have, which then is going to reflect that. So when you go back to aesthetic training, you know, it's going to build out a lot of, you know, of your physique. You didn't know you had potential there. So it's like,

you just got to vest all the way into a different mindset. And I think this is the easiest way to do that is to jump into an entire environment that's not conducive to like the bodybuilder style. Yeah. And you guys, I know you're absolutely right about that because I guess I thinking back, I just try to stick close to home, so to speak. So I don't, I just want to avoid looking stupid in the gym because it's this mindset of in there for over a decade. You know, of course I need to look like I know what I'm doing, but I know you guys are absolutely right. Yeah, that's what I did.

And by doing Anabolic Advance, you're still flirting too much with the same thing. It's like you said, it'd be like me still doing Map Split, but it's not aesthetic, so it's not exactly what I did. You know what I'm saying? No, Map's Anabolic Advance is a bodybuilder program. Yeah, it's too much like bodybuilding. You need to go the total opposite

or adopt what Sal originally said, like, you know, lean into the Krav Maga or lean into Jiu Jitsu, lean into a physical sport that you love and allow that to dictate your training and drive it or choose one of our programs that you would never choose. Like you would be like, I don't, that doesn't appeal to me, but hey, give it a shot and commit to it and make your commitment. I'm going to get good at this. I'm going to get good at these movements. And the irony is that you probably will end up with still the great physique afterwards.

Oh, better. Totally. But you're not focused on that. You're focused on the movement and getting good at these exercises you're not familiar with. And nobody does those lifts. So I wouldn't even worry about sucking at it. Yeah. Because everybody watching you do that, they're going to be like, what? And then they'll try it and they'll suck even worse than you. So yeah, that even worry about sucking at it. Yeah. Watching you do that. Like a minute what the and then they'll try it and they'll suck even worse than you. So yeah, that's

the beauty of it. Yeah, we'll send that to you. That's a good. That's a good. That's good advice. Hey, you got it, man. Awesome. Yeah. That's that's that was my question. Yeah, brother. Stick to it. Zach. Don't quit on me. Stick all the way through it. Okay. Will do. Thanks, guys.

Great advice. A hundred percent, right? A hundred percent. Uh, that would be cause he's still in the gym. You're doing some different lifts. He'll probably could, it definitely could spark that interest, that fun that you got the first time you started working out. I mean, 10 years he does, you know, he's bench pressed curled overhead

press so many times. I mean, that's what originally led me in that direction with the unconventional stuff is just like, I got bored, you know, and I was like doing the same thing all the time and I just wanted to challenge myself in any way. I actually think this is such an important question. I mean, you gotta remember, we all really like

lifting weights too. Imagine a person who doesn't really like it and has been disciplined enough to stick to a way of training long enough to get good aesthetic results or get a good healthy body fat percentage or whatever it be. It's really tough to extend that to five years, 10 years, 15 years, without interrupting it with other pursuits in fitness.

And it took me a while to figure that out. Then that's become a hack. I know that like, man, if I'm not motivated to go to the gym and follow, like, man, I'm gonna do something totally different. And it also is okay because when you're sucking at it, you're not like judging yourself like, oh man, I was benching whatever. There's no previous record.

Yeah, there's no previous record of you doing this movement or training this way. So everything's kind of a positive upswing for you, which is super motivating. Totally. Look, do you want to get big arms? We have a get big arm guide. It's free at mindpumpfree.com. You can also find all of us on Instagram. Justin is at Mind Pump. Justin, I'm at Mind Pump DeStefano and Adam is at Mind Pump. Adam, he's back. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy, and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB Super Bundle at mindpumpmedia.com. The RGB Super Bundle includes maps anabolic, maps performance,

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