Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 236: Lord Jason Allan Scott- Part II

Episode Date: February 11, 2016

In this episode Sal, Adam & Justin conclude the second half of their interview with Lord Jason Allan Scott. Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Learn more about Mind Pump at www.mindpumpmedia.com

Hey, we gotta get on that mind pump forum. We gotta get on before I'm calling right now. I heard that Doug is gonna limit people So get on before it's too late. That's what I'm doing. I'm calling right now Did you call the forum is this is this the mind pump forum because we want to sign up. We want to pay some money and sign up Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is the mind pump forum. Okay, cool. Yeah So we answer a lot of your questions. So tell what exactly do you guys do on here? I, I, I, sounds like it's a great community of people. Well, yeah, we give a lot of advice and real specific videos about getting hard.

And we also like to, you know, open people's minds of the concepts and give real detailed information. What do you mean by get hard? It sounds interesting. That's weird. So go ahead. Yeah, it's like what everybody wants to do. Yeah, yeah, lose fat and get in shape and also be extremely sexy.

Oh, OK. I like that. I heard that if we get on there, that throughout the day, we will be able to converse sometimes with Adam Salin, Justin, the host of Mind Pump. Do we get to see them? Do we get to see them on there? Oh, yeah, you get to see those guys in full view. You get to see them from like underneath angles, like finishing angles, you know, like tag team angles, finishing angles, like to add two angles, all that kind of stuff. Okay.

Well, this form sounds different. This is different than what we thought. So what about advice, fitness advice? Can we post, like, hey, here's my macros and here's what my results are. All right. Do you guys recommend anything? Do you guys do that kind of stuff, too?

Like how many calories are seen? Like stuff like that. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm actually. Calories and what? What did you say, calories? Did you say calories and sea? You know, in seaweed.

You know, seaweed. Sea butter, the interest in eating healthy these days. I could have sworn to said semen. I thought he did. I like to throw it in there. Okay. No, no, I, I'd tell, I wouldn't say something like that. Okay.

What about like, if I did a workout and I wanted someone to check my form, could I post a video of myself on the forum so people could check my form? Oh yeah, oh, people love that. People love it when you, you get extra sizes by yourself in the room. Just make sure the lighting's right. You know, feel free to, just freeze up down with something right. Feel free to just freeze up down with something

first. You can upsell it like water or oil. And help me sell it to you. Hold on a second. You're not the mine pump forum are you? You're not. Yeah, totally. Yeah, yeah, yeah, guys, guys, guys, I'm the mine pump forum. So hold on. I'm on the stuff. So hold on a second. Let me just clarify. You're saying you're the mind pump forum, the one that you can find on mind pump media.com. We could get access, we could get access for $27 for life and get all kinds of awesome information,

work with the community there. Lots of trainers on there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This guy sounds familiar. He sounds weird. I'm hey this guy sounds familiar you say he sounds weird I'm hanging I sounds familiar are you that guy that for sex line are you the sex line guy no no you guys get somebody else I'm hanging up dude I'm hanging up I'm signing up no so let's go to this just go to mind pump media dot com do it

online it's easier than I'm up 27 dollars lifetime access to a forum, you don't have to buy anything else. Where'd you go, MindPumpMedia.com? MindPumpMedia.com, let's get on there. All right. If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind, pop, mind, pop with your hosts. Salta Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. [♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪

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Simon cowl five-inch lift So I'm like, he looks a lot taller today. It's the wedding. It gives me lift You see me tonight. So how many hours of sleep do you get every night? Five. That's a huge day. Lots of energy. Lots and a lot. And it worked a lot. Yeah, and I was like, 10 hours a day, seven days a week. And how is that being, you know, because we're, I'm married and, you know, Justin's married and, you know, Adam's in a relationship. It's difficult.

Adam almost stopped me from getting married. So you guys had a show once and Justin or Sal brought up the story about a rock in a jar. Oh, that is so? Yes, that's Adam. And Adam was like, have you ever heard the story about the rock in a jar. Oh, that is so. Yes, that's out. And Adam was like, have you ever heard the story about the rock in a jar? And I just need to, I'm in the car, in the back of the car. And my wife was like, what are you smiling about?

And I was like, I'm just sitting in my own pub. And she was like, oh, OK. And then she went, why have you stopped smiling? What's going on? And I was like, I think Adam's just poo poo during entire wedding. Until Sal came back with the statistics. He totally did. And I was like, oh, no, no, he's carrying guy. Until Sal came back with the statistics. He totally did.

And I was like, oh no, he's carrying on. He's carrying on. Statistically, we win. Yeah. I like that. Long-term thickers. I don't know what I realized though. So I got to correct that.

I got to correct that statistic. Sorry, but you got married now. No, no. Too late. They love all single guys in that category. And then all married guys. Well, all the single guys, like, there's a lot of guys that don't get laid at all. So they must take that statistic way down. That's a good point. I feel like a good looking

there is world of warcraft. Yeah, I mean, if you're like a good looking dude, pretty successful in your single. You're probably doing it a lot. Yeah. A lot. A son of a bitch. Let alone if you run beauty pageants and travel the world. Right, right. She's going ahead and all right. It's pretty good. Finn Married is amazing. My wife, isn't a massive supporter. She is. She's my biggest cheerleader and she's 100% on me.

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And it's where they wrote the song called Lucian the Sky with Diamonds, which is just massive Beatles heat, I think it was. And they're all high off their face. And they're looking up. And I got a pot brownies from Amsterdam. So awesome. That was amazing.

I was super amazing. And she was totally relaxed. And the next day I was relaxed. And I didn't work for, I think, two days after that. And she was like, isn't this what you work for? And I was like, yeah, like is this what a normal person gets? Like two solid days of just no work, no social media, no phone, or nothing.

And she was like, yep, this is it. Wait a minute. She took a brownie for the first time, four brownies. Wow, great sex. It was amazing. Yeah, bro. That's like a champ. It was amazing. Yeah. Bro. That's like a champ. It was like my birthday.

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So do you ever see yourself in the future getting back in the fitness industry? Or do you just like to watch it from a distance? It's a crazy industry. Oh my god. Oh my God, mad. So because, okay, so, so, my dad is a bodybuilder and has been since the 60s. And our family's only got like three things that we all love. So we all love Jim, we all love fighting,

like any form of fighting. My grandfather was the first, Staphricans get a black belt in Judo. And UFC and that whole sort of world. So there's always that connection. And I have a company in South Africa, which is invested in Sancle Cryo-like policies. And we're in five major hotels,

as well as the Amani spa. And that's kind of a connection. And we link that with a training. And bizarrely, I've been getting people to go on maps because I'm like, if you're gonna do a training program, don't be bothered with anyone else, follow this one. Fantastic. Absolutely.

Absolutely. A free go. Yeah. And it's the best system I've ever used. In fact, I told you I even talked about it with like, Jim's the party, and I talked about it with, I tried to talk to it about this as a guy that we met at Body Power.

Anyway, I was telling you how great it worked out. I was really impressed that we kind of pushed in towards that, but I haven't found anything. I haven't, I think it's one of those things where, you know, Steve Jobs said, if you can't be first, be better, right? And I think if I hadn't gone on your program, if I hadn't tried that, if I hadn't, if that didn't work, if you guys didn't, wouldn't just a great job of what you were doing,

I might start thinking, what about something in that arena? You know, maybe my dad could talk about the way they used to train in the 50s and 60s with kind of aesthetics, all the kind of aesthetics that it just makes now again. Or maybe I try and take on that whole crossfit kind of concept of taking an old school concept and making it quicker and faster for today's super fast-paced generation. Or like I've done, the diet that I'm on,

the Eskimo diet comes from an episode you guys did where you said, you know what we should do? We should do like a bullshit diet and call that like the Eskimo diet. Yeah, I was like, yeah, I wonder that it would. diet and call that like the Eskimo diet. Yeah, I was like, yeah, I wonder that would work. So I hatched tag the Eskimo diet. I've got like 7,000 followers who keep writing to me been like, so this Eskimo diet,

are you kidding me right now? 100% and then I did, what's it called the app, fitness pal. I feel like that. Yeah, and I've shown like a 10 pound drop in weight in two weeks, but like you called me on Facebook, you're like, are you just using a ketogenic diet? And I was like, yeah, that's all in here. Yeah, yeah, that shown like a 10 pound drop in weight in two in two weeks, but like you called me on Facebook You're like are you just using a ketogenic diet? I was like yeah, that's that's all yeah Well no because ketogenic is how estomose lots of fat very moderate low protein no carbohydrates

But you put a name on it, but you called the escomod The ask him a diet you got some followers. Yeah, many took my idea that I Wound you a pre-wound you I was like guys that's what I want you now. I'm gonna take something that you've used You don't seem, I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I don't know.

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Well, you know, with fitness for me, it's like, you know, because I've been in it professionally for since I was 18 years old and to see the evolution and then to step out of kind of, you know, since I used to be in the bodybuilding magazines, fitness magazines, managed gyms, then I came out of it, owned my own facility, got into wellness, started learning that aspect. So I got out of the commercial fitness industry in the sense of, I wasn't paying attention to social media, I wasn't reading the new stuff,

I was listening, I'd hear things at CrossFit and I'd understand it and study, and that was it. And then Adam got me to get on social media and I get on there, and I'm looking at all these fitness celebrities quote unquote. Shucks. And I'm reading what they're saying, what they're doing. And I'm like, this can't be real.

Is this guy really telling people to wear a corset and calling it a squeam? Are they really telling people to do these exercises on the machines that don't exactly? Is this really happening? It has taken a left turn and I'm happy we're here to squeeze it over the right little bit. Oh, no, for sure. No, for sure. Regulate. Did you guys, the bro science, I never heard that expression

until I listen to Mind Pump. Oh, no, it's not ours. No, it's not ours. So that's like a thing. I wish it was ours. There's a guy, actually, you'll like it if you've never heard it then, you look at him at YouTube. YouTube, bro science, and what's his name comes up?

What's his name and runs the channel? He's got like, I think 10 million followers followers and he does, it's a lot of parodies he does and he, and they're hilarious and it's all the bro science. Wow. The, the kind of funny. They're funny. Oh, I think they're hilarious. I'm going to be on that shit.

Yeah. No, you'll, you'll like it. They're, they're, they're hilarious. And I mean, he comes out with material literally every week. So every week There's a new video that he does and you know, there's like us. There's no top of that safe But he's purely comedy. There's no he doesn't give you any science or education behind it But he does do it. He mocks a lot of things that are out there that people are promoting. It's interesting because

Bro science supposedly comes from experience right like this is what works. This is what works for me Yeah, but the original bro science, when it comes to, you know, especially lifting weights, was like that. It's when, you know, anabolic's came in in the fray, it's when supplement companies started getting big that the bro science started becoming not based on experience, it was based on bullshit, it was how can we sell more products?

It was what works for me and my, you know, my genetic body with all my, with all these drugs that I'm giving myself. But if you go back far enough and you look at how the guys worked out, you know, like 1920, 1910, you know, maybe even 1930 before they started doing that stuff, it's all legit. I mean, they used to do legit stuff. Like they'd want to gain weight and get stronger. What would they recommend?

A high cholesterol diet and, and lo and behold, that works. That gets people stronger. So fighting has a lot of that too though. Like you talk about old, like the boxers and the old, the ways that they train, and I know you're into fighting, you know, and what they would do to get tougher, you know, how they would tough in their hands.

Absolutely. So come in, you know, I think it was gasoline or brine. Yeah, Masayama used to put, Saki, I need to put his fists in Saki every single night and punch a tree until the tree came down. The tree came down and he wouldn't go home. Like that was a big thing. Right.

So that's bro science and fighting, but it's all backed by what actually worked on that. But what was the time? Yeah. But I'm surprised by how many guys in your vein have stopped the bullshit, like Rich Piana. Like I had a full conversation with Richard and I was like, how the hell, and he was like, do you know how much drugs I'm on? I didn't know he did. I was like, how the hell do you know how much drugs I'm on? I didn't do it. I was like, wow, thanks for calling it.

I take a shit load of steroids. And then I put your flexibility and it's all that's just genetics. It's like, that's not, I could say it was a product. I could say that it allows me to kick seven foot up in the air, but I'm on so much growth hormone. It's ridiculous. That's what I like. I like Ridge the fact that he just keeps the real people asking

what he said. There's actually nothing wrong with you. You're gonna do what you're gonna do to your body. I don't care. I don't know. I about it. Come on. That's how we all feel. We've always said that that you know to each their own. You know, we don't I mean, I'm not going to and I love the fact that he's like that. You know, a lot of people don't because he's coming out and saying things like that and people think that he's promoting something. I'm like, no, bullshit. I think it's better than all these other people that are promoting the opposite and not putting it out there. What's really going on? Promoting it's like some supplement that's made him look like

that. And it's like, come on, bro, we both know that. Come on. You and I know that. But I mean, everybody else that's paying attention really thinks that that just like I did as a kid when I was 15, 16 years old, I went ran out and bought my cell tech. It's like, oh, you win. Oh, you eat your vitamins, kids. Yeah, yeah, what kind of vitamins? So I want to get some of those. Vitamin D ball. Vitamin D ball.

Vitamin D ball. Yeah, no, the fitness industry's got to be just when you look at it from the outside, now it's got to be crazy. It's mad. Yeah. And it hasn't had the big disruptors that the tech industry's had. You haven't had an Uber for the fitness industry yet. You haven't had an Uber for the fitness industry yet. You haven't had an Airbnb for the fitness industry.

No, we're a fitness owner. We're considering that because yeah, it hasn't really come to this one specific company. And nobody's gotten that big in this industry. Okay, so you think about what has been the biggest, and this is a good one for sale. Let's test the IQ in the room. Oh, sure. What has been the biggest disruptor in fitness in the last 100 years? In the last 100 years?

Yeah. Biggest disruptor. I'll even go 50 years. EFT memberships. Well, the EFT memberships created the big box gyms. That's a good one. Women, women working out gyms. A hundred, nobody would agree with that.

Women did not work out gyms at all. Gyms had not advertised to them. And the first people that realized like holy shit we're missing half the market 70% increase and and women are just as interested in changing how they look and feel as men are that was the same time of the evolution of machines and that machines came out You know Arthur Jones made some amazing, you know, not list equipment and four machines that you know they're pretty pretty revolutionary I had some of the first some of the first machines Joe Joe Gold, I believe, built in his Gold Gym. A lot of his equipment, the original Venice speech Gold Gym, was equipment that he just made himself.

And those were kind of pioneers, but yeah, once gyms realized that they could get women in there, you look at the fitness industry now, it is dominated by women. It is not dominated by men. Well, fiscally speaking, they believe the biggest jump in fitness ever came with Jane Fonda's

There you go. Workout video. And that's women. 100% women. Wait, hold on a second. I was right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. And then like, it took fitness and brought it straight to your home.

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You know the number one selling product, like TV product of all time was. Oh, wait, wait, wait. You were just talking about it. The thigh master. Oh, the thigh master. The thigh master. One of the number one selling products on TV. That baby.

That's good. Yeah, but that reminds me just of the TED talk I just recently watched. He was ranking the like the foremost important things for a business and it's like, timing. Yeah, timing, dude. I watched that one. 100%. I did a thing I talked, called EWL, then people who lunch and people ask you a bunch of questions.

And I literally just quoted everything that did. Yeah, and they're like, that's amazing. I was like, yeah, timing. Number one, look at Airbnb, look at Uber. It wasn't for the, they would say no to, but then of course people were broke 2008 do any I keep telling everybody that's what's going on right now with the company orange theory that I'm involved with it they

They ride the wave they came in so as trainers, you know was when we first started it was it was big Probably it was booming dot com error was going on everybody had lots of money. You could pay a trainer 150 plus dollars an hour everybody wanted one it was the hip thing era was going on. Everybody had lots of money. You could pay a trainer $150 plus dollars an hour. Everybody wanted one. It was the hip thing to do. And then all of a sudden, we had the crash, right? And we come down and now everyone's tightening up. So it's still the cool hip thing to do. And now it's become something where not everybody can afford to do it anymore. So all of a sudden this like group training evolved. And group training comes around and starts evolving. And now boot camps are huge. And all of us have done boot camps and done stuff like that. And that's where the market's kind of going.

Well, then now you have this company comes out orange theory who has taken the group training model and then they've paired it with technology. And that's cutting edge now that's coming on. And then they make it just, I mean, literally, I stopped all my boot camps in the Bay Area when I saw it because they were charging $100 less, offering 50 more classes a week than I was capable of doing with state of the archi.

Well organized. Yeah, everything is in front. Yeah, it's just the way that like people see themselves. Like now they see them in relation to people around them, like because of technology, and this has been the real disruptor, in my opinion, because I see that even going from here on into the future, it's really about what you can get out of this, what kind of metrics I'm creating,

what are the things that I'm going to gravitate towards that are going to show progress? Because people want to know, tangibly, what is happening and how I can improve. And so technology is there as a way to provide this. And so this is what we all have to kind of keep thinking about as we move forward in this industry because it's going to become the thing

that will really drive this industry. And I've all knew about that. Well, think about this. We all started brick and mortar. OK. Brick and mortar, physical business, even Orange Theory's physical business. But let's say you want to and I'll know. Well, think about this. We all started brick and mortar. Okay. Brick and mortar, physical business, even orange theories, physical business. But let's say you want to start an orange theory.

You've got to have half a million dollars if you want to open one up or whatever. Whatever the cost is. It's in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. It's half a million. Oh, yeah, half a million. Yeah, it's half a million. You want to start, you want to get a

self fitness program online. Look at the potential and look at the cost, right? I could spend half a million dollars on an orange theory and I could get what, 300 members, a thousand members if I'm freaking crushing, maybe 2000 if I'm the best in the world. I could sell a fitness program online for, you know, 50 bucks. And if I sell 20,000 of them, nobody knows who I am.

I can walk around the streets, I'm not famous, but I just made like two million, but whatever the math, I'm being millions of dollars. Yeah. And it's evergreen products. And it, right, you sell it, it costs you nothing. In the past, you'd have to send people DVDs. Now you give, just give people access.

Well, and you see people now in social media and fitness who get these followers and they figure out how to monetize. You still gotta be smart, you can't be an idiot. But you, but I think the future of fitness really is in terms of the business of fitness. It's open to us up to a lot larger group, a lot larger amount of people that we can really be exposed to. And it's exciting because the people that really do get it,

like, and you use it properly, it really can accelerate your business if you tap into that. Right. So I see the future of fitness really in terms of the business. It's all this virtual online stuff. I mean, it's massive. I mean, it's huge. Look at creating communities. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, the what, I mean, let's be honest.

When we've told, we've been real with our audience and stay one of the all painting the ultimate picture for them and what we're doing here. We want platinum teeth. I got cold clocks. So, you know, ultimately, you know, we want to be able to mentor, train, and show trainers how to do exactly what we've done, you know, is utilize these two. Step one is to do it first. Yeah, we have to do it first.

We have to do it first. We have to be able to do it first before we can teach others. Yeah, so, you know, and we have to do it right. So that's, we can't just throw, I mean, we could, and that's, we talk about this all the time on my pump. We could have just thrown, I mean, let's not to shit on the Eskimo idea because I think it's a brilliant one.

Well, actually, it's actually ketogenic diet which has lots of science and history. But I mean, we knew that we could do that immediately right now was just drop just anything. Drop anything that it was catchy and that was smart like that. And it would sell like hotcakes, but we knew that we had a bigger vision because we knew the direction and we we know the direction that fitness is going.

And it ultimately is, okay, you know, these guys are, you know, top, top dollar trainers in the Salcon Valley and stuff. It's in how do we take that and provide that same kind of service or even possibly better, but in a virtual sense for a fraction of the cost. And that's what this has always been about is being able to give that to our listeners and provide them with that type of... Sounds very similar to your ideas, as far as the events planning goes.

Just providing a tool in order to enhance their individual businesses. And that's always been our mindset is to provide ways for people to create these opportunities they didn't have before. And it's tedious. It's really tedious to do what we're doing, what you're doing in order to create this thing, this platform, this machine that somebody can turn on

and really go forward with it. So I got a question for you. You know, since we're on the topic, you now have a podcast. You got, I think, six episodes or eight episodes, something like that up there right now. Yep, where you just, you just started relatively like two weeks ago, two weeks ago, two episodes away. What made you start a podcast? Social lubrication. So like someone said to me, what was your... Sounds naughty. Yeah, it was very naughty. Someone said to me, what was the number one way you got women when you were younger?

And I said, I got them drunk. And they were like, okay, and what's the number one way you've managed to get business? And I was like, I made a lot of calls. Like it was that it's this numbers game, you know, right? The more numbers I can get in, much the hate admit that, that's all it is. And then it was speaking to the right people. And I was like, okay, I can't get through to certain people I really want to speak to, no matter what connection I use, whatever,

but with the podcast I can. Because people are like, and they want to be on there. They want to be on it. They want the vanity aspect. They'll be able to go, I was on that show. You should listen to it. And I'm not, you know, these are all wonderful people.

I'm very lucky to speak to every one of them. But I could never get an hour with the head of Tinder to talk about client acquisition or talk about technology versus, you know, whatever, or talk to Google about why I combinate it. Like never, never, who am I? Why do I need an hour of their time? How much does an hour of the time worth?

But if I'm gonna give them an hour where they can talk about their own product or their own book coming out or the next big thing Google's working on or the next big thing tinders creating at the moment which is all about like, organ donation, then they'll give me 45 minutes to talk about me in my product and they'll give me a chance to pitch

and correct my pitch and tell me different ways to sell that I've never thought of. Fantastic. So that's what it is. Such a clever idea. Very, very smart. Podcasts are me different ways to sell it. I've never thought of. Fantastic. So that's what it is. Such a clever idea. Very, very smart. Podcasts are really slated to explode, actually.

If you look at it because now you're going to have cars, they're going to connect instantly to it. That's coming up soon. Smartphones, obviously, the explosion of smartphones has made podcasts go through the roof. Absolutely. And not to mention that. All TV, all everything has to become streaming.

Everything is digital. It's all going to be streaming. It's not going to be like we used to be. But here's the thing, so, I guess for you, who's the Godfather for podcasting? Who has broken the barriers for you? Joe Rogan. That's our voice for you.

Yeah, yeah. So Joe Rogan, and I think John Lee Dumas, right? First person to do 2.5 million in a year in podcasting. First person to do the annual report showing where every single penny comes from and how he made his money. Downfall of John Lee Doomsdumus, and I've been lucky enough to speak to John,

is he's telling everyone, let me tell you the trick to this. The trick to this is, you get someone with 80,000 followers, and then they are gonna promote the shit out of your podcast. That's it. But the more people that are doing that,

the more people are going, hold on a second, why am I gonna be on your show? Shit, I'll just start my own podcast. And I can hire someone, like my producers based in Phoenix, and my other producers based in Washington, because I've got so many shows they do that they've made a full-time job

and I've just been a producer for podcast shows. I was like, that was never a job. When did that become a thing? No, if I get an amazing job, and you don't get to create one. I just couldn't believe that was a thing. And then I met another girl and all she does is create show notes for podcast shows.

Like that's her full-time job. She's just getting episodes, typing them out, highlighting them, making them. Wow, we are amateur. I know, I agree. We don't have any of that shit. And we barely ever interview anybody and we've never interviewed anybody with 80,

have we had anybody with 80,000 followers? No, it was before Johnny was that, you know, that's one of the things that, almost everybody who, that, you know, we're doing, we're taking ass. That's probably the number one thing I get, when I meet somebody else who's, who understands podcasting and social media and business, and they always trip out when they hear that we don't

have lots of guests, and then we've grown to where we are without that, just organically, because we don't, that is the hustle, the hustle is is you just guess after guess is a guess and hoping that they all got 50 to 100,000 or plus followers and then you're just gonna slowly pick those off where most of ours have come from sharing. We hand select our guests.

So, I mean, no, what we do, we haven't brought, we haven't brought anybody on our show that we don't personally know, whether it be a relationship that we've built over, you know, social media or change, but, you know, that's definitely what we've been doing. But that's an interesting thing, because I mean, like, I'm lucky enough that I've had Lewis Hous, like, tweet me and, and, and that's given me like 10,000 people. So I'm like, shit, if Lewis is going to stop doing what he does and mention you, then we're going to follow you. But after like a week or two, they're not following any more because they're thinking, shh, this idiot doesn't even talk to Lewis Housle at all. That's like a one.

That's right. It's where all of them get you. Whereas the great thing about your show is you don't go on because Johnny Sebastian reversed on and then go, oh, there hasn't been anyone like him in ages because your show has always been, it's, so I met this guy, amazing guy. If you get a chance, his name's James Altichet. He's an amazing writer. He's got a podcast show.

And he said the two things that make for me a great podcast, ABS, ABV. Always be storytelling, always be vulnerable. And that's what you guys do. Oh shit. You don't even realize, I don't think you realize you're doing it, but you do. You give up or something. You talk about, you know, when you were fasting and that you fucking miserable and angry about it and, and cells talking about his home life and just talking about what it's

like to have the kids and not be able to order pizza because he's doing his fun. And you become part of your story and we're like, I'm telling people about it and and cells talking about his home life and just talking about what it's like to like have the kids and not be able to order pizza because he's doing his fun And you become part of your story and we're like I'm telling people about it like like these are my homeboys And I'm talking about them like I know you guys and you're in my next door But it's because you're you're vulnerable on air and you're just storytelling you always give You want to know the truth it's actually so part of it part of it is we want to be open to our audience We want to so they know the process, that they know we're not bullshiting because we are an industry that's just full of bullshit. But that's not the big reason.

The big reason is actually quite selfish. And I'll recognize it and you guys better admit it too. But us being on here and being totally open is 100% therapy. It is 100%. Because you're looking at, and you're the same way I can tell, you're looking at a bunch of maniacs and we're a little crazy and we don't Quite fit in you know with anybody and where we vent

Yeah, and it's hard to kind of get us and understand us and our families on understand us and when I'm at a party I don't hang out with one group for too long I go from group to group to because I don't really fit in we're all the same We're all kind of little weird so we get on and we talk and it feels good So it's actually a selfish reason I swear to God. I can't tell you how many same, we're all kind of a little weird. So we get on and we talk and it feels good. So it's actually a selfish reason. I swear to God, I can't tell you how many times after we're done, we take the headphones off and we go,

man, that felt good. And then we leave. We don't say shit to each other. We leave. Like we're here for therapy and then we're out. Amazing. And I can tell you telling your stories. 100% does the same thing.

I finish. I finish, I get this episode coming up next week where, and it's like, Limo's personal episode. And my producer's the same thing. I finish. I finish. I get this episode coming up next week, and it's like the most personal episode. And my producer's like, you want to put this really up. And I'm like, yeah, I could get started in my head. It's gone. It's done.

And he's like, you said some really deep shit in this episode. You're like, I was listening and I was like, I was trying to hug my wife off the stage. Oh, that's gonna be the best thing. Yeah, it's good. And he's like, and the one where you're talking to a money, it's like, it's kind of sexy. Are you coming onto that? I was like, no, darling, I'm not coming onto her.

But I make a lot of sex jokes because she's in the sex industry. And he's like, and it is, you're right, you do. I get it out, I get it off my fricking chest. And I can tell this, again, when I talk about you guys, when you first started, you made a lot of jokes about my only listener was like my mother. Thanks, mom. And that's, for me, it's like my dad, he just didn't even have podcasts.

I found out yesterday. I was like, I'm only doing this, so that my dad can hear my story and he knows what I'm doing. And it is. You're just getting it off to that one person that's listening. Right. But how do you feel now knowing you've got so many listeners? Because the Facebook account makes you accountable. Yeah.

You suddenly see people responding immediately to the last episode, calling you out. Oh, I love it. Oh, I love it. I love it. I love every second of it. You jump in, every now and then, you jump in on everything. Like someone literally goes,

I had a cramp today, Jim, and you're like, what did you have to cramp for? How much water did you drink? What are you doing, maps? What things were you on? What's your back story? And Justin was writing something like, yeah, that's good.

I'm like, yeah, slow it down. Calm down, it's all due real. But I don't know if I can handle that. I'm like, yeah, slow it down. Calm down with all the real. But I don't know if I can handle that. I don't even read my own shit on Google or anything. So how, you know, what's that like? I mean, we love compulsion. It is, it's an addiction. We love talking, communicating to people.

And here's the other thing, something that we also have in common, is that we're extremely loyal. Very, very low. So right away, when we want to over-deliver, let's Very, very low. So right away, when we met, we wanna over-deliver, let's face. Right, so right away, when we met, we understood that right away with each other,

because I have people that I, you know, like, okay, I'll tell you a story. When I first started my personal training business, I was 20, how old was I? 24, 25, and I had rented this gym area with equipment, and there was a lady doing a stairmaster. And I walked up to her and I introduced myself and asked her if she'd like a free session, you know, long story short, she hired me, my very first client, okay.

Today she's a personal trainer and she works in my gym. And that's because I was always, I always felt like, you know what, you believed in me, you were the first one to hire me, I'm gonna make sure that you get taken care of. She got to the point she couldn't afford training, so I created a class for her. She couldn't afford that anymore. I let her pay a gym membership,

then she couldn't afford that anymore, and then she became a personal trainer. So it's just these people that believe in us, listen to us from zero to now, all of us are the same way. We wanna go way out of our way to help people. Cause we'll get messages from people, very personal ones and you see, we'll send it to each other,

like, okay, how can we help this person? What can we do? It's a lonely world, right? That we're living in and being entrepreneurs. And I feel like when somebody gives you that confidence that they believe in you, and with nobody else's really buying into what you're talking about, what you're going through, all that kind of stuff, you know, that's something powerful that you remember.

Always. So you just want to treat them right. So always. Well, I think that I, you know, because you make a point of like, it's, it is amazing. And it amazes me that's how it does that. And it's kind of neat, like, you know, all four of us, it's just this unsaid thing, but everybody kind of knows their role and knows what they, they got to all four of us, it's just this unsaid thing, but everybody kind of knows their role and knows what they got to take care of and work on and what their strengths

are. And the other people don't care about an ego thing. And that's what's crazy. The crazy part is, you know, my entire life, if you meet another really strong personality, you know, a lot of time you start to rub each other a little bit wrong way. And you could even have a lot of love for each other, but you both have your own direction. You know, all of us just find that it's, it's really kind of neat. How, you know, and I tell Sal all the time, like I said, man, thank God you, you own that

form, dude, I just, I can't get on there enough. I know I got to do this. I got to do that. I'm working on this. And he's like, no, I got it. Don't worry. I've got it. You know, and so he really owns that and does that. And, you know, there's a lot of things I feel like, because Justin's not as vocal as Sal and I that he does that a lot of people don't even know about and There's a lot of shit that's coming that this guy's been doing it behind the scenes. Let's be honest if it wasn't for Doug and for Justin. Yeah, we'd be We'd be wearing one head phone to be no electricity and I'm That's that's I don't know if you've heard the episode where we talked about that the dynamic between the four two is you know

Justin and I had business but together before and the two of them had so and they they're they're we're all kind of like each other in such different Ways it's really it's pretty trippy know and that's a crazy episode as well because when you talk about it like Sells talking about how it's almost like this bromance of you But at the same time he's talking about well, it's started with Justin Yeah, and then you start with Justin going well, I should just nice to work together. And the whole team doesn't even think, but surely they must be a little bit of competition. Like, one of you were the first girlfriend. Right, one of you's the side-bid-out.

We both started as couples. And like, it's about the weird. Yeah, it's weird. Every one kind of banged. Every once in a while, a threesome works. Oh, yes, the true. A real threesome. That nobody gets jealous.

Everybody's happy to have it. We can and Reno. It got weird. And then you need someone to film the whole thing because you don't remember shit the next day from all the drugs, and that's where Doug. Doug comes in and he films the thing. For the first time in my life ever, have I ever felt like

that a business I've either been a part of or started or ran or had partnerships with? First time in my life, I've ever felt like and I've told these guys this before, where like let's say there's a day and I'm just, I'm fucking beat, I've been burning the candle, both ends for seven days, I come, I come and we're supposed to be working on something or doing something, and I need to be there mentally, and I'm just not there. I, for the first time in my life, I feel like I could actually just sit back and then just watch the two of them.

And listen to them go back and forth and, and, and create something, and it's like, this is so great that I don't always feel like I got to be leading this and telling these people what to do all the time or debating everything. It's like, it's so refreshing to know that your partners that you're working with are only going to do something as good a quality or better than what you would have created yourself. And that's the first time I've ever felt that way for sure. Passion driven. You seem to be that way a bit.

Although you're a pure, you're more of a pure entrepreneur. A pure entrepreneur has a passion for the entrepreneur side of it. They create a business and then they sell it versus someone who has a passion for the business. They stick into it. Stick to it. Stick to it. Motivations.

There's a film called Two for the Money. Matthew McConaughey, Al Pacino, true story, about this guy that was really good at guessing the odds in football, baseball, and cards. And then in the film, and it's the only way to describe the way I am, and it's not a good thing. Is Al Pacino takes Matthew McConaughey to a gambler's anonymous meeting in New York.

And he's in the room and this guy gets up and he does the whole thing about, you know, it wasn't for this program, two years, I haven't gambled, I haven't done a thing. You know, I thank the program, I thank the 12 steps and I thank the university since down. And up a shadow gets up, you know how this is like, oh, he's like, he's like, I've got to tell you guys that moment where you put all your chips on the table and the crew here takes them away and your assholes the size of a fucking DAT and you look up at God and you say, is that all you got? Is that it? That's it?

Because I'm not dead and I'll come back and I'll do it again. He's like, that's what makes a fucking gambler. And that sadly is what I am. I feel most alive when I'm suffering, when I've lost it all. You just gave me a massive erection. Yeah, I'm from that species. That's the part, the only part that I've been erectioning. That's exciting. But that's exciting. It's exciting. And I've three times I have hit the number, the magic number that I thought was like,

if I can hit that, if I can do six figures, if I can do seven, but then I've given it away. I've literally gone. I mean, I went to Dubai for the Formula One. And for seven months, I just did bad stuff. I stayed in the tallest residential building in the world with like clouds underneath me, like Mount Olympus bringing home Greek goddesses.

And like, and like going to the Formula One and going backstage and messing out with 50 Cent and doing shit with Ciara and Alifomo and just going mad and then going, okay, well, I'm broke again. So I guess I'm going to have to go. That was awesome. Like, I'm never going to happen again. Yeah. But that, that, that feeling you get from a accomplishing shit from like, you know, and I don't, I'm swatting, it talks about it. Like coming to America with a tug bag and starting something.

Then, in the fact that when they get the construction company's new, he was a millionaire. Like, he didn't have to work here right? Right. And then, but he they had the construction company with Lou, he was a millionaire. Like, he didn't have to work here, right? Right. And then, but he didn't, he stopped and went, I need a new challenge. Something else that makes you feel. And as a kid, I was, as I said, I was kidnapped,

I was shot, I was beaten. I grew up with a really bad situation and I survived it and I felt amazing for surviving it. And I kept looking for things. Like, if I could create that feeling. To create that feeling, to relive that freaking feeling. You're a growth hungry. Yeah, I am.

And so this, hopefully, knock on words, the first company, I won't sell it the first time someone gives me a massive offer for it. Like, I started a company called EcoDisco and I, a multi-manicator and he was like, I just like the name. It was just basically silent disco. You know, you put the headphones on,

you choose it, what even different light is a different color. So one person's got red, they're listening to rock, what person's light is, different colors. So one person's got red, they listen to rock, one person's got techno, it's pink, one person's listening to 50 shades of gray and it's like blue and it flashes. And like you see everyone on the dance floor and like one person touching the nipple and the car. And it worked, like, and the headphones were biodegradable

and I sold it, but for the first offer that I got. And I was like, oh, it was amazing. And the friends were like, you couldn't make that bigger. You could have licensed that, you could have taken it global. You could have done so many things at it. And I was like, oh yeah, but yeah. And my friends were like, you couldn't make that bigger. You could have licensed that. You could have taken it global. You could have done so many things with it. And I was like, oh yeah, but yeah, but I get to start again now. So this time, I just want to take it all the way.

All the way. And let it go without me. Say no, say no to people. 100%. And not, you know, someone is saying, what's the difference in a freelancer and then they were like, well, and the company built something,

but they don't have to be in the room for it to work. Thomas Edison's dead, but we're still enjoying his power. Like he built them that will go on after he passed Steve Jobs. We're still using Apple products. So you feel like this is your legacy product? This is my legacy. And whether that's the book some writing or whether that is the venue me piece or it's the guest's podcast or it's the fact that I've started, you know, trained all these

venues that are doing really well at the moment worldwide. It's, it's, it's just it's for once. I don't want wanna go shit, cash me in, you know, take it all, I'm gonna go back and get more chips and come back a bit. I'm gonna try and win as big as I can. And then, what should keep going without me being in the room?

Fantastic. Yeah, that's fun. Fantastic, what about towards the end of your life? What would you do with that? Or would you wanna just retire? I don't see you've retired. I'm listening to you talk. I'm like, this fuckers never regret.

You can find sharks. Yeah, I want to. I ordered one of these beers today. For breakfast. Is there like something in your mind that you're thinking? There's a thing. So I was ordering these to this beer today and it's called DOSX.

Yeah, yeah. What's it called? DOSX. You're totally that guy. So that's it. So I was like, oh, have you heard of the DOSX guy? And I was like, no, what does heard of the Discikies guy? And I was like, no, what does that mean?

And they were like, this is guy. And he's supposed to be the most interesting man in the world. And I was like, that's what I want to do. I want to be on an island, on a boat, with people coming on, and we're playing back at him, and it's smoking cigars, and drinking cognac. And someone says, hey, I got this idea for like feeding the hungry in Ethiopia, and we get to hang out with girls

without the shirts on. I'm going to go, I'll try that. Let's do this. Can the boat driver go down there? Captain, can we go down to Ethiopia? That's like all prior to ship. Actually, that's like perfect balance right there. I was saying, don't ever meet Dan Bilzerian. Be on the shoulder, yeah.

On my list, okay. So I've worked it out, reversing today. Don't do that. If you guys meet each other, you're gonna explode. You'll create a singularity of universe. Dan Bilzerian is friends with Steve Ioki. Steve Ioki's friends with Dan Fleischman. Dan Fleischman is friends with my wife.

Oh, steps away. Five years. Five years. So I've started small, started dropping the letters to Dan. Congratulations on you, Will. That's what Justin Bieber took one. Congratulations on you, Scooter, Soldiers in Times magazine.

Congratulations on the biggest pizza party ever thrown in L.A. where you did the, eventually he writes back. Boom. Boom. He's like, hey, J, if ever you're in L.A. Let me know. What are the chances? I'm gonna be at Shada Momont on Saturday and maybe you can pop down.

And he's like, yeah, I'm there for the Steve and Dan. Do you know what Dan Bill's there? I'm like, never heard of Dan Bill's area. Tell the town to start it. Maybe you bring him down. And like, when you're English hard. Like, totally little heavy. England, we don't watch that. We the truth about it. Maybe you bring him down and like play your English card. Like, totally little heavy hit.

England, we don't watch that. We don't have that in there. That sounds untied. Indeed you're in tune, that's how. So like, I'll share some cute compass sandwiches with you and Dan. So boom, man, five steps away. Is that formula, man?

I love it. I own a thing. So Dan Fleischmann, famous new mate, is first seven million and become the youngest man ever on the stock market by owning a word. He owned who's your daddy? Right? Licensed it energy drinks t-shirts card tunes comic books Duke Nukem went ballistic made all that money put it on to online poker became one of the big online poker guys made a fortune of that until they banned it or made it illegal in the US and he had to give back a whole bunch of money and it's thought something else.

Anyway, I own World Series Strip Poker. And I'm like, how cool that be? Let's start. Let's start. You're into poker, right? Yes. Dan's into poker. I like a bit of poker.

World Series Strip Poker. Poker in the front, liquor in the back. Mine pump will sponsor. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's mine pump will sponsor. You're full of brilliant ideas. Thank you. I don't know about that but yeah brilliant. Yeah, that's almost as good as the mayonnaise with the the

the Biscoe with the Tabasco. Harry Nays. Harry Nays. That's brilliant. Thank you very much. I wish I had kept that instead of selling it like an idiot. Yeah. Well, you are definitely incredibly interesting my friend. Thank you very much. We could probably go on for hours. We're gonna have to do this again as well.

It's been it's awesome having you on my friend. Thank you, bro. This week you probably go on for hours. We're gonna have to do this again, is what we're gonna do. It's awesome having you on my friend. Thank you. So you'll plug your podcast again. Yeah, so it's the guest list podcast on it changes twice a week, chooses in Thursdays, and it's the story of me starting a tech startup

and talking to some credible people away, either in events or people who are events. Cool, and then your Twitter handle, give us all your social media handles so people where they can find you too. So in my day, it was word of mouth, and today it's word of mouth. Look me out. But at Penthouse Lord or just Jason Allen Scott dot com.

Awesome. And for the forum members, he is a, he is a mind pump OG. I am doing the map. He's on the forum. He's following the program. So you four members know who he is. So awesome. Thanks for coming on. Those of you listening, please don't forget to subscribe to Mind Pump

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