Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2363: Improving in the Gym After Age 40, the Dangers of Sleeping Too Much, the True Definition of Cardio & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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Starting point is 00:02:16 Recovery, probably one of the most popular segments or categories in the consumable fitness industry. So many things that promise to speed up recovery. Supplements, cold dip, lights, all kinds of crazy stuff. Diet changes and tips and hacks and all that stuff but here's the deal, nothing, absolutely nothing will positively or negatively impact your recovery like sleep, meaning if you get good sleep,

Starting point is 00:02:43 there isn't a combination of hacks that'll be as effective at improving your recovery. And if you get bad sleep, you can do all of the other stuff that you want. Your recovery will be severely hampered. So if you're serious about recovery, the bottom line is get serious about sleep. I sleep in my hyperbaric chamber.

Starting point is 00:03:00 Yeah, that was a thing for a second. I would do that. Would you do that? I would do that. I would totally do that. Maybe. Have you guys ever been in a hyperbaric chamber? No, I'm not going to sleep in that. It's loud. Oh, they make it. They don't make it more quiet. No, really? No, it makes it kind of defeats the purpose. It changes the whole. I've been in one before. It's stupid. Yeah, I know. So, okay. Can we sell this better? I feel like, obviously we've known this forever. Yeah. And every trainer has communicated this, I imagine. I hope you have communicated this to your staff. But for some reason, this just doesn't register. And I think maybe there's a better way to

Starting point is 00:03:35 communicate because- And sleep. Here's, and I want to hear your guys' opinion on this, but I think this is where people go wrong as they go, my sleep is fine. Yes. And so what's the next thing? Right. Give me the next red light thing, give me the next cold plunge thing, I think this is where people go wrong as they go, my sleep is fine. Yes. And so what's the next thing? Right.

Starting point is 00:03:47 Give me the next red light thing, give me the next cold plunge thing, give me the next supplement thing, my sleep is fine. But I think if you understood that sleep is that impactful that let's pretend your fine sleep is still only at 75 or 80% it's optimized. And if we could squeeze another 20% of optimization

Starting point is 00:04:09 out of that sleep, meaning we improve your sleep by 10 to 20% more, that will significantly impact more than any supplement, more than any other cool hack that's on the market. So I think that's where we're missing the mark here is that people think, oh, okay, well, my sleep is already good, so I've already got that box checked, now give me the next thing, versus, wait a second, we all could probably

Starting point is 00:04:30 improve our sleep a little more. Pro muscle and balance your hormones, you know? It's like, that's where it all happens. Yeah, you know what it is, is I think people don't think about sleep unless it's really extremely bad. Bad, this is bad. Right, but when you look at, so did you guys know this, that for a long time most people,

Starting point is 00:04:45 especially in the winter, the average person slept something like 10 hours a day. Oh yeah. Okay, because the sun went down. It was dark. It was dark and people just went to sleep. This is what we did. The average person now sleeps something like six or seven hours if they're lucky. So we are, all of us, so here's the deal.

Starting point is 00:05:03 If you're watching this right now, the odds are that you're not optimizing your sleep. Now how do you know if you're not optimizing your sleep? Well, do you not do the following? Do you not turn off your electronics a couple hours before bed? Do you go to bed at the same time or wake up at the same time every single day? Do you not eat a couple hours before you go to bed?

Starting point is 00:05:23 Are you, do you find yourself needing to sleep before you go to bed? Are you, are you, do you find yourself needing to sleep in oftentimes or take naps, right? So all of those will give you hints and clues that like you're, you're, you're doing okay in the sense that you can survive but you're not thriving. So if you're somebody that's like I want to really improve my recovery so that I could train harder, so my body adapts better. There was that one study that I love to quote where they same diet, everything was the same. One group got bad sleep.

Starting point is 00:05:49 One group got good sleep. Both had a calorie deficit. The good sleep group lost twice as much body fat. Uh, the bad sleep group lost muscle because that's, that's what happens to the body. So I think the way you said it was perfect, Adam's like, if you could improve your sleep by 10%, you're going to get way more returns in terms of fat loss, muscle gain, cognitive performance, hormone balancing, than any combination of sleep hacks.

Starting point is 00:06:15 So where should you focus your time and energy when it comes to recovery? Your sleep. Before sleep, during sleep, after sleep, the time you go to bed, the time you wake up. That makes a huge impact. Now that being said, when I talk to family and friends that obviously ask us about all these things, I always go that way first. What are the things that I can do for free and the things that I can do to improve sleep first? Then if I'm going to take any sort of supplements to improve performance, improve muscle building, I actually are going to recommend things, hacks or things that improve the sleep. So that's why like eight sleep has been one of my personal favorite hacks

Starting point is 00:06:50 on something that has significantly changed my life is something that that has dramatically improved the consistency of my good sleep by being able to manage the temperature. If I look back just five, six years ago before we had partnered with these companies, before 8 Sleep, we were working with the Oolar, similar type of a product, right? Now that we're with 8 Sleep, it's been, I don't know, the last year or two years. So before that, if I were to like go back and look at the things that disrupted my sleep the most consistently over the, you know, 20 years before that, it was managing temperature. I would have during the summer, winter,

Starting point is 00:07:25 doesn't matter, like I'd have this waking up in the middle of the night and super hot and having to shed clothes or turn on an AC. And just by managing my body's temperature at the most optimal place all night long, I'm guaranteeing I'm stacking up way more hours of sleep than I ever did. It's always interesting for me to see like

Starting point is 00:07:43 how people look at, like they'll invest all this into the work. So it'll invest it into like the gym memberships, into the equipment, uh, you know, into the food, into the supplements, you know, whatever, all these other things besides like, you know, improving the quality of their sleep in some way, like getting a better bed, getting the eight sleep, getting, you know, all of that sort of factored in. So it's like, let's put some effort there so we get more of a return out of it.

Starting point is 00:08:11 And it just makes a whole lot of sense. Yeah, what they did, you know what they did by the way, they, so the, you had devices like the Aura Ring, which had made an impact because you could monitor and have objective measurements and data on your actual sleep quality. Cause what happens, and this is what's tough, right? And we saw this, we see this with basic fitness and nutrition. You'll take someone and they're like, well, I'm eating healthy. I feel okay.

Starting point is 00:08:32 They don't realize that they weren't feeling great until they start to really feel great. Right. Then the contrast is like, oh my gosh, now I can see I lacked energy. I can see that I didn't feel good. Now I feel incredible. And it's opened my eyes at how I actually felt for years or decades. So what these objective measures do with, like I said,

Starting point is 00:08:50 devices like Oura Ring and stuff is they, people can see like, oh, here I'm measuring more of the deep sleep. Here I'm waking up throughout the night and you don't remember that you wake up throughout the night but it shows that I am type of deal. Eight Sleep combined that with technology that actually adjusts temperature of the bed.

Starting point is 00:09:06 Yeah, the AI. Yeah, it's got AI. So not only can you monitor, oh, better night of sleep, then you can connect it to other things, but it also uses AI to adjust things on the fly, essentially. They even have, did you guys know this? The new snoring feature. They have a feature that if it picks up that you're snoring, it will do things to make

Starting point is 00:09:26 you stop snoring. Like what? Does it shock you? I don't know. I want you to find out for me. So I believe what happens is if it detects snoring, it will vibrate to kind of get you to change position. Wow.

Starting point is 00:09:40 Yeah. Now they also have a new one that actually will raise the bed. Yeah. So if you buy, so there's levels to this, right? So you can get the eight sleep, just the cooling system. Then you can get the eight sleep and mattress system and the sleeve thing. And then it has like the full on customizable bed that will actually move. And that bed will elevate and sit you upright. So if you're sleeping and it picks up your snoring, it'll slowly bring the bed up so you can breathe, you can sit you upright. So if you're sleeping and it picks up your snoring,

Starting point is 00:10:05 it'll slowly bring the bed up so you can breathe more upright. Let me give you my acid reflex. So crazy, dude. I mean, like I said, it's a big deal. You ever have a family member or friend who finally uses a CPAP, right, because they snore?

Starting point is 00:10:18 And then they'll tell, I'm not gonna say what it is, a family member uses CPAP because they're like, I guess I have sleep apnea, I don't know, I feel fine. And then two nights after using it, they're like, Oh my God, I'm so refreshed. I can't believe baby. How good I feel. Oh my God. You just don't know. But there's so much on the market for recovery that you're barely moving the needle. Like you're barely moving the needle when it in comparison to sleep sleep. And by the way, this goes in the opposite direction too. Poor sleep will, nothing will destroy your potential progress like poor sleep. Nothing.

Starting point is 00:10:51 In fact, you could cut your testosterone in half. I think, I think one or two nights of poor sleep, you literally make it drop. Sleep and stress, probably the two number one killers for clients' results. When I had clients and I would assess somebody who was checking all the boxes, right, showing it to my appointments, following the diet like we're supposed to, but we're not seeing results, almost always one of the two culprits. Yeah. Many times both connected. Many times someone who's very, very high stress also has poor sleep and

Starting point is 00:11:16 vice versa, but those tend to be the two biggest killers and things that stall people's progress when they're checking all the other boxes, when they're doing what they're supposed to nutritionally and when they're exercising consistently but still not seeing the results they want, almost always related to sleep and stress. You know what's interesting, a while back we were talking about how I was basically eat rocks when I'm sleeping.

Starting point is 00:11:39 Oh, yes. My teeth are just totally jacked. Because you grind your teeth like nothing else, bro. So I've read some of the comments. I don't know if you, like, there's some people, like two people in particular, like kind of brought this up that there's like this procedure where you basically take like a Botox type injection into, into your jaw muscles. And it's apparently it's supposed to relax it just enough to where you

Starting point is 00:12:04 don't have such a crazy like tight bite. And this thing is like over the years, just like the masters, everything else. I'm just like way too like overbearingly strong with my bite. I'm far from an expert on this, but here's my initial reaction when I hear that is it's like symptom control. And also, when you weaken muscles, we know this is trainers, so I don't know much about Botox, but I do know that it will either partially

Starting point is 00:12:34 or fully paralyze essentially muscles right, weakening. Yeah, I had the same concern. You're gonna create a new recruitment pattern in your jaw, because it's not like other muscle traps. So here's what I, I just. So maybe you can create't Jay or something else. So what would be cool with you? I've had TMJ as a result of the biting.

Starting point is 00:12:49 So yeah, what would be cool is you're telling us to go to Botox that we don't see his face is all like, he laughs. It was like Sylvester Stallone. There was just like a laugh and nothing else moves. Hey, it's hilarious, Adam. He's planting a seed. Yeah. He gets sad just tears come out of his eyes.

Starting point is 00:13:08 What would be cool, Justin, and I know this is totally not like you'd want to do something like this, but I think it would be really valuable, is if there was a way that there was something that could measure, so that you could wear a guard that was measuring the pressure that you were doing, and then you could do things leading up to bed to see if it does. For example, like maybe believe it or not, like doing like gratitude box

Starting point is 00:13:29 breathing, box breathing, gratitude, doing some things like that. Do you guys put lavender fucking right? Like, like what are, what like, I'm doing all the things I'm lathering, dude. But it's hard to, it's, it's probably really hard to difficult to tell. Like what's really, it's probably really hard and difficult to tell like what's really moving the needle. Like it'd be nice if we had something that was measuring that. I know it would help him.

Starting point is 00:13:51 You need a good cry right before bed. Just let it out bro. Whatever it is inside of you, it needs to come the fuck out dude. Because it's trying to. Just a body pillow and. You already have a body pillow anyway. There's a, there's something unprocessed dude.

Starting point is 00:14:10 And you're letting it like at night, you're letting it out. I know, but what am I supposed to do about that? That's not helpful. Yeah. Well, I mean, you can, we can, we can talk to somebody. DMT journey, bro. No, we got to do all that. Hey, speaking of nighttime,

Starting point is 00:14:26 and that made me think of this nighttime dark thing that I saw, of course I was in the hospital for over a week. So I have all these notes of things. It was like, all I could do was be on my phone all day. So I got topics for the next six months. Oh, awesome. No, I did. We're gonna lean on you a bit.

Starting point is 00:14:42 Some of them are probably horrible, terrible, but I did see some cool things I couldn't wait to share with you guys. I thought it was really interesting. Doug, pull this up. I want going to lean on you a bit. And some of you are probably horrible, Terrell, but I did see some cool things I could wait to share with you guys that I thought was really interesting. Doug, pull this up. I want to adjust to this, but both of you guys will see this. But have you guys seen glow in the dark baseball? Oh, dude, I saw this. Is that an actual game?

Starting point is 00:14:54 I saw that video. Yes. That's so funny. It looks so cool. That's so fun. I saw that and immediately I was like, dude, we should do this. This looks so cool. So even if it's softball.

Starting point is 00:15:03 The bases are probably glow in the dark. Everything everything it's pitch black the ball glows they're like see the ball way better yes like it just stands out what about people what about people are we all just like I think the uniforms have black so everything is like black light since yeah there's because the you know the the lights to keep the the field lit or like the black lights now yeah so like all the base the lines are all the things that you need to see are like lit or like the black lights now. Yeah. So like all the base, the lines, all the things that you need to see are like lit up by black light sensitive.

Starting point is 00:15:29 So like, I think, I believe the jerseys were, the ball was, the bases were, the lines were. Atomic baseball or something. It just looked really cool. I forget what country. I thought that was really smart. They're like on that planet in Dune. Remember when they were fighting on Dune

Starting point is 00:15:44 and it looked like black lights. Uh, yeah. Well they, yeah, it was like the absence of color. It was just black and white. That's cool. Although you still have to play baseball, which sucks. Playing baseball is fun. Watching it is a different thing.

Starting point is 00:15:58 Oh, wow. Look at that. So it's all just black lights, basically. Cosmic baseball, they call it. Did it show, did you see the article where it's based out of? Look how cool that is. It does kind of look cool. That's way cool. Yeah, that is kind of interesting. Yeah. Now you don't get that like, Oh, sun's in my eye excuse.

Starting point is 00:16:15 Near the outfield. Where is it at? Where does it say there? Who's doing it? Like what is it? Oh, it's in Virginia. Oh, Virginia. So it's in the U S. Speaking of weird sports, did you guys see, uh, any, did you guys see Eddie Hall's last MMA fight? Did you see this? Yes. Who do you fight? I feel like I've watched all your guys videos at once at the same time. Yeah. He fought two people at the same time, bro. He picked some guy up. He throws them on the ground and runs out. I saw that one viral video of the big fat guy fighting two MMA chicks.

Starting point is 00:16:41 Did you see that one? That must be in Russia. Yeah. It was like a big fat guy. He's fighting. So you know the problem is the problem with it is is we all want to go. You can't help but part of me. That's like, I've always wanted to know who would win two really tough chicks versus a big fat guy. That's a question. It's answered. So it's like when you get like, uh, who's going to win like a bear or tiger? Yeah. What is that? That'll piss more people off. By the way, fat guy fighting. What is that? It's why do, why is that in us? I don't know, bro. Why is that? Why do we all, why are we like any, if you, and if you deny that you are, you're a liar. No, it's there. You want to like stack things again and be like, oh, I

Starting point is 00:17:25 wonder what would happen. Yeah, dude. I know the Romans used to do that with animals. I know the hippo was undefeated. It was hippos killed everybody. The strongest vicious killer there is. Yeah, the cute, fat, chubby hippo. It's killing everybody.

Starting point is 00:17:36 It's all because of their jaw, though, right? They're aggressive. Their ability to open their mouth is like way more. And then they're fast. They're all muscle. They're not like fat turds like they look like. Yeah. They're looking just identified as a hippo energy dude. Hungry, hungry. You should get a hippo tattoo. I'll be a hippo. You should get a hippo tattoo. Yeah., Russia. Oh, by the way, did you guys,

Starting point is 00:18:05 this is true by the way, did you know that, I don't know where this was, that maybe look up in medieval times, husband and wife could legally divorce by fighting each other. Did you guys see this? There's a law, it's a law. No, no, there was a rule.

Starting point is 00:18:18 There was a rule. So what it was was, if a husband and wife wanted to get divorced, I want Doug to look this up, because I want to get this right. They would have like whoever gets knocked out gets child-cased. No the court would say yes you guys can fight to determine who wins. The husband has to be standing in a hole so basically he's standing in a chest a chest-high hole and he can't touch the wall. He's just torso and arms. He can't touch the walls okay, and he has I think a club

Starting point is 00:18:45 and she has a like a sword or something like that and she's running around him and then to even odds and they would fight and if he touched the sides he would lose a weapon and then use his own hands and I was reading about this bro. This can't be real. Look right there look. Oh my god. Okay so read the read the what does it have the rules on it? You didn you can't, you didn't subscribe to that. I have to sign up for the thing. Oh, that's stupid. Look at, we can see by the picture,

Starting point is 00:19:08 I get the drift right here, couples that, what does it say? Like, you got a hold of her. If you got a hold of her, you could drag her into the hole and beat the crap out of her. Oh, really? Or she can fuck him up, yeah, hit him on the top or. They call it divorce by combat.

Starting point is 00:19:20 Yeah. I wonder how, I wonder how many couples would opt. Hey, you know what's funny? I should, I should send this to Jessica, be like, Hey, if these rules were applied to us, do you think you'd beat me? What do you think about with,

Starting point is 00:19:35 if I was in a hole and you had a club and you were running around me, what do you think would happen? Yeah. She probably would kick my ass. What is, so what are the rules there? Let me see if I can find the rules. Oh, right there.

Starting point is 00:19:44 What was the people? I mean, was this just like, did it end, like, with somebody's death or was it, they just get beat up? It was in 1487, German, it was in Germany, of course. Yeah. Why is that? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:19:57 I wanna see the rules. Okay, let me see if I can find this. Yeah, someone find the rules for me, because I think it's hilarious. Anyway, speaking of international news, did you guys see, you might have, Justin, I know. I've been on the roles for me because I think it's hilarious. Anyway, speaking of international news, did you guys see, you might've Justin, I know I've been on the internet a bit. Yeah. So, uh, did you hear the interview with the president from El Salvador?

Starting point is 00:20:13 I didn't watch that with Tucker. I think you guys sent that though. Okay. So the man had to fight in a hole with one of his arms tied behind his back. So the woman was allowed to move freely within the arena, but had to wear cloth containing weights. Or yeah, it says cloth containing weights. As for her weapon, she was usually given a sack filled with rocks. The man was provided with three clubs.

Starting point is 00:20:40 However, if he touched the side of the hole during combat, he would have to lose one of his clubs So they were usually given a month or two to settle their differences prior to combat The duel would only take place that they would could not compromise and make peace with each other If the husband lost the duel, he would have his head cut off The wife lost the dream She would be buried alive his head cut off. The wife lost a dream. Uh, she would be buried alive.

Starting point is 00:21:11 What? Wow. Okay. Let's talk about strategy here. Let's talk about how much you have to hate your spouse to go. I think that you got a really, I mean, I'm pretty sure the divorce rate was 0% back then. There's a new aiming for, there's a new, deep. There's a new Netflix movie called Hitman. Have you guys seen it? No.

Starting point is 00:21:29 It's called Hitman, and it's loosely based on someone's real life. And the show opens up, and it really made me start thinking. And so this guy had a position. And his job was to basically go set people up and record them trying to hire a hitman. So he was a fake hitman.

Starting point is 00:21:51 And the way the thing opens up, you guys should watch it was really entertaining. But the way it opens up is him basically talking about how everybody thinks that hitman really exists and it's all made up. There's no such thing as real hitman. They just take your money. Yeah. It's like, there's no such thing as somebody who will. They just take your money. Yeah, it's like there's no such thing as somebody who will kill someone for $10,000. Dude, that's so interesting.

Starting point is 00:22:09 And he's like, there's, in fact, we've created, the police department has hired a person to literally just capture all these people that are crazy enough to give someone money to try and kill someone. That makes so much sense. And I'm going to tie this in because- I thought they were real. Yeah, everybody thinks they're real. That's the thing. I think everybody thinks there's a guy that will yell. I thought they were real. Yeah. Everybody thinks they're real. I think that's the thing.

Starting point is 00:22:25 I think everybody thinks there's a guy that will, yeah, I'll just do that for money. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:22:29 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:22:30 Yeah. No risk. You know? Yeah. Dude, the lead singer for Asle Dine, Tim Limpisi, he literally like was in that crazy state of mind that like he was going to lose his kids and all this to the divorce and had a guy like hired at the gym like just met a guy right it's like you met a guy at a gym turns out he's like an undercover

Starting point is 00:22:53 cop and so I'm sure that's like so this is based on someone's like real story he would he did this for like 30 years of his life for the police department and over 70 people he set up and got imprisoned for trying to hire somebody. Wow. And it's a great story that obviously it's loosely placed. So there's a little bit of comedy and character building and stuff like in it, but it really made me go like, Oh my God, is that, is that true? Is there like really like, like maybe, you know, like a cartel guy. Maybe. Well they would do that. Yeah even then. Okay, speaking of which. Yeah but here's the thing though,

Starting point is 00:23:27 would they do that for Joe Smo? They would kill for it to protect the cartel and to do stuff like that, but that's different. It'd probably be a lot more for 10 grand though, right? Exactly. I mean if you went to them, you could probably offer a lot of money. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:23:39 Who knows? But so speaking of which. Hey this is the conversation though. This brings up a lot of thoughts. Well so I was going to say the El Salvador president gets interviewed. Now he gets elected and MS-13, you guys know what MS-13 is? No, no. They're one of the most violent South American or just gangs in the world. Super violent.

Starting point is 00:23:59 They cut people's heads off, kill people, drug gang type of deal. So he goes through and talks about the history of MS-13 in this interview and Tucker says, you guys essentially in a few years, your country went from being one of the most dangerous with some of the most attacks to being the safest. How did you do this? And he goes, we prayed.

Starting point is 00:24:18 First we did, we prayed. And he's like, what? So then he goes in and talks about MS-13 and how they were satanic. There are gang members from, this is in the whole interview, MS-13 gang members in prison who left the gang because they were first selling drugs, killing rivals,

Starting point is 00:24:34 but then they got invited into these crazy sacrificial rituals where they were, I don't even wanna say what they were doing. And they would leave the gang. So we started getting tips like that, he said, and then we realized this was a spiritual war. Literally the whole interview who talks about this and he's like the most popular president, I think in the history of the country.

Starting point is 00:24:52 It's so crazy to hear that. Cause I was, I mean, I've watched a few documentaries on MS 13 and you'd see all the tattoos, the satanic tattoos and six, six, six, and all these types of things. And you're like, I just thought that was like a tactic for look scary. Right, right. You know, like, ah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:25:09 But then to find out that they had all these rituals attached to it, and I was like, oh my God, this is a whole nother level. Oh yeah, dude. You got really bad guys, basically, who are in the gang who left because they saw some of the sacrifices and stuff that they would wanna do. Yeah, with like innocent children, a whole deal. Yeah dude. So he's like, oh, we

Starting point is 00:25:27 realized that this was, we had, this was a spiritual war. So that's what he said, the whole thing. In what period of time did they go from the worst to best? A few years. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Pretty insane. Yeah, and this is like, literally, this gang is notorious for being one of the most violent, vicious in the world. And who leads it? Is there, do they have a single leader? I mean, I know they make their money through drug sales,

Starting point is 00:25:53 but I don't know, that's a good question. And I know they compete with the Mexican cartels. Yeah, they compete. Oh, so they're rivals, they're not like, oh. I mean, who knows, right? They may work together at some level, you know how organized crime is, well, I don't know, but. From what I've seen in movies.

Starting point is 00:26:08 You know all about the black market. It sounds like we're talking about the hitman stuff. You know what I'm saying? That's what I'm saying. It's like, you know how many people just, they act like you know. They act like you know. How many hitmen do you know?

Starting point is 00:26:21 Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. You know they just busted, I guess, some big ring of Ozempic, black market Ozempic coming into the States? Of course. I was like, what is happening? Of course. No way.

Starting point is 00:26:35 Yeah, I saw that. And I was like, oh my god. So yeah, you got to really like make sure you know where it's coming from. I don't know why we didn't talk about that. We should have seen that coming. Of course. Of course.

Starting point is 00:26:44 Especially with the mall. We talked. No, we did. We said that seen that coming. Of course, of course. We talked, no we did. We said that there's gonna be a lot of people using it like you would, like people use anabolic steroids or other substances who aren't supposed to be using it or aren't prescribed. Absolutely. Now it's not a schedule drug,

Starting point is 00:26:56 so I would imagine getting it in the black market would be a lot easier. That's why I think it's kind of crazy when you think about like that, there's gonna be a lot of that going on, right? Because you're way less risk if you get caught with it. It's not like if you get caught with 20 pounds of Lizard Pick you're going to prison for.

Starting point is 00:27:10 Yeah, no, no, no, no. Diet medication, yeah. Wow, interesting. Hey, I wanna tell you guys I have, so I've gotten so many questions on, so Organifi reposts a lot of our clips when we talk about their products and the Shilla Jeet one is just going crazy, right?

Starting point is 00:27:23 The one on the Shilla Jeet gummies? Yeah. So I'm having people come up to me, now, like this has happened now a few times, where people come up to me and say, hey, I wanna try it, I wanna try it, that's what you're talking about, let me see, whatever. So I had a family member who came up to me,

Starting point is 00:27:37 and I told them the studies, they didn't believe me, I pulled them up. It's so crazy, the studies that support, like medical studies that support its use for raising testosterone, it's so crazy, the studies that support, like medical studies that support its use for raising testosterone, it's also been, it's called in studies, a novel neuro, a novel neuroprotectant substance. And it also shows promise as a cognitive enhancer or something that reduces the symptoms of things like dementia and Alzheimer's.

Starting point is 00:28:03 Now explain how they actually actually harvest it, right? Because isn't it kind of like a tar? It's like tar on trees, isn't it? You have to go to like, oh, that's what it was. Yeah, because it's some kind of topsoil thing. I was like, stop selling it so hard, because I'm getting the backlash of people that expected it to taste like gummy bears,

Starting point is 00:28:18 and it doesn't taste like gummy bears. No, it's good. It's not bad. It's like tar from a tree, and they actually found a way to digest it. What they should do is try the other version of it before they do gummy bears. That's right. That's not bad. It's like tar from a tree. And they actually, what they should do is try the other version of it before they do. That's right. That's the way to say, Hey, if you, if that, that, it should went over already all the people that have been taking it.

Starting point is 00:28:31 Cause it's amazing for comparing. So it's literally, so it's a natural substance found mainly in the Himalayas form for centuries. So this is stuff is old. Yeah. It's hundreds of years old, at least by the gradual decomposition of certain plants by the action of microorganisms and yes it looks like tar because it comes out of rocks. It's a mineral pitch. I mean isn't that what tar is kind of is now how they define it? I don't eat tar. Yeah I don't know. Yeah yeah no I mean pine tar like the same like the same like sappy it's like a sap like a sack a sap well

Starting point is 00:29:05 look here's the deal shillagee straight shillagee does not taste good it's not does not taste good at all so the way they made the gummies palatable is pretty remarkable so yeah it's not gummy bears okay this doesn't taste amazing like yeah it's not gonna be very I can't believe so I have to see I had so many topics that I missed the transition with Justin was talking about is his fucked up teeth. Doug, get to pull this up.

Starting point is 00:29:29 They're looking good now, so. Hey, man. Go. I insert where I can. Have you heard? Japan has come up with the ability to regrow teeth. Oh. Japan regrow teeth.

Starting point is 00:29:41 You know teeth generally? Teeth can heal themselves. They can heal themselves. Yeah, with cavities. Yeah. I mean, I've watched mine now. I remember when I had to go to the dentist and I had like two, two craters in my teeth and they said it was from all the, by the way, some of the biggest scam artists are dentists. Just going to say that. Oh, you don't have to. I have an, I've been saying that on here.

Starting point is 00:30:00 Well, I have another family member. That's my only good one. My one friend. I've told the story. I went and got eight cavities as a kid. We were too poor to fix them. I come back in two years and all of them are gone. I didn't do anything. You don't say so. Are you eating less candy? I'm eating more candy. Yeah, exactly. I didn't do anything proactive at all. So what does that say there Doug? So it's a drug that's going to stimulate the growth of new teeth. Apparently people have what's called say there Doug? So it's a drug that's gonna stimulate the growth of new teeth Apparently people have what's called tooth buds that have the potential to become a new tooth. Oh

Starting point is 00:30:31 So this drug is supposed to help do that Growing because of this I mean, I mean, what does that do to the the denture horns now? Dude you would look awesome with I have horns now. I have spikes. Tusks. Yeah. That'd be bad ass. I want some tusks. Dude, you would look awesome with tusks. Yeah, you would look. There's a compound called, I think I'm saying right. My hippo body. Hydroxyapatite, maybe Doug can look that up.

Starting point is 00:30:57 You can get toothpaste with it, and this has been shown to remineralize teeth. So if you have like cavities that are starting, whatever, you can brush your teeth with it. And it's, look it up, hydroxyapatite. So hydroxyapatite. Aren't you like the baking soda guy? Don't you just like baking soda or something?

Starting point is 00:31:13 I did that for a while. I remember when we were first. Look that up, maybe put that in and say to remineralize teeth or for cavities. I'd love to see what the data says on it. They have toothpaste. Who trusts more, Adam, Dennis or paleontologists? to remineralize teeth or for cavities. I'd love to see what the data says on this. So who do you trust? They have toothpaste. Who do you trust more, Adam,

Starting point is 00:31:27 dentists or paleontologists? No, no. No. I'm curious. They're neck and neck, bro. They're neck and neck, dude. They're neck and neck, dude. No.

Starting point is 00:31:35 All right. What does that say there, Doug? Are there any articles talking about how? Yeah, let me see this here. Naturally occurring calcium that makes up 65 to 70% of the tooth. And has been shown. So helps remineralize teeth, making them stronger.

Starting point is 00:31:51 Oh, there you go. It may also reverse small cavities. It also has properties that help with positive microbiome in the mouth. A lot of people don't know this, but a lot of cavities have, just have to do with your microbiome. Yeah. Uh-huh. And some people just. Yeah in the mouth. A lot of people don't know this, but a lot of cavities just have to do with your microbiome. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:32:06 And some people just. Dirty mouth. Dude, my dad, okay, I love telling this story, because it's the funniest thing ever. He was poor. He didn't have a toothbrush growing up. He just didn't. The way he brushed his teeth.

Starting point is 00:32:15 His finger. He would use his finger and with water. Okay. No braces, let alone, yeah, no toothbrush, so forget braces. Comes to America, marries my mom. Years later, I don't know how old he was, 30, and my mom was like, so forget braces. Comes to America, marries my mom. Years later, I don't know how old he was, 30, and my mom was like, you gotta go,

Starting point is 00:32:28 my dad had never been a dentist in his life. You have to go to the dentist, you gotta do this, whatever. You have insurance now for it, whatever. My dad's like, all right, goes to the dentist, and the dentist argued with my dad. He goes, so when did you get your, tell me about the braces you wore. He's like, I never wear braces.

Starting point is 00:32:42 He goes, what, what do you mean? What about your, I never brush my teeth. And he argued with him and then brought a bunch of people into the room to look at my dad's teeth because he literally, they're so perfect. They're straight, never had a cavity. My stepdad is like that too. Grew up kind of poor like that.

Starting point is 00:32:56 No problems. And like the most perfect teeth you ever seen. Yeah, no problems at all. What the fuck happened to me? It's like one, genetic, two, microbiome. Those are like the two biggest factors of your teeth. It's literally just your genetic propensity of what they're gonna turn out to be

Starting point is 00:33:11 and then two, your microbiome. Yeah, and a lot of that is, I mean, I guess is related to gut health, but also just there's a genetic component there. Because I know I have family members do all kinds of stuff to make sure they don't have cavities. And they get cavities every time they go to the dentist. They get cavities just left and right.

Starting point is 00:33:26 So anyway, crazy. Speaking of the body, human body, I just learned a statistic about the liver. So you guys know the liver can regenerate, meaning there's parts of the liver that are damaged, it'll regenerate itself. But it can also regrow itself. I'm gonna pull up this.

Starting point is 00:33:40 I just read this today, I thought this was so crazy because a lot of our organs can't do this. I just read this thing. I thought this was so crazy because a lot of our organs can do this. Uh, a, a liver can regrow to normal size, even after up to 90% of it has been removed 90, yeah, dude, full size again, about full size from something like that. Isn't that wild? Yeah. That's a wild statistic to know about the liver, which also makes you like really trip out over people who, Who destroy it.

Starting point is 00:34:08 Who drink so much alcohol. Yeah, who drink themselves to liver disease. Yeah, dude. Because you could stop. Imagine how much you have to stress it in order to do that. You gotta go hard for a long time. Wow.

Starting point is 00:34:18 Wow, that's crazy, 90%. Yeah, it is. That's wild. Justin, I brought this up for when it was the Sal and Justin podcast. Oh yeah. Because I don't know what animal think about this. Ah, memories. Bro, did you know?

Starting point is 00:34:28 Experiency theory. Well, no, this is real. There's a map created in 1978 that shows, and this has been confirmed for other maps, there's a network of underground tunnels. Most of the entrances are located in national parks. Yeah, bro. And I know, I know it's old news for you, bro.

Starting point is 00:34:43 I know, I've been saying that. Yeah, but why is that a big deal? Cause it's in national parks. So because- It's I know, I know, it's old news for you, bro. I know, I've been saying that. Yeah, but why is that a big deal? Because it's in national parks. So because- It's a pretty smart place to do it. Exactly. And so a lot of people are saying this is how they smuggle- This is trafficking.

Starting point is 00:34:53 Yeah. And a lot of those tunnels lead to docks. So, you know, like ways that they can kind of bring them to the harbor, so. Yeah, it's messed up. Like if you start looking into all that stuff, like there, and a lot of times too, which is, you know, even more like frustrating is that you have, you know, that like, there has to be people within authority positions that know about it.

Starting point is 00:35:17 Right. Right. And they just turn a blind eye. See, because it's the national park, you have limited ability to go investigate, build, nobody's going to build around it. It's protected land. So you'll never discover them so it does sound like the perfect situation. Yeah dude I'm with that. Here's the part that I don't understand how to just the right people that are evil get into places of power and position and still keep it from the people that aren't evil like because you can't possibly you guys can't possibly believe that everybody government is an evil force. Right? You've got to think that.

Starting point is 00:35:51 And so it's like, so like how do, how do the underground drug, drug muleing, pedophilia and fucking, you know, people make it to a position of power and somehow keep these other people that are maybe good people. Good people ask questions and then they bring it up to their supervisors and their authorities and then they like. And they're done.

Starting point is 00:36:12 Yeah, that's it, that's as far as it goes. And then a lot of people are compromised too. So, like for example, after September 11th, we passed laws that allow them to legally monitor everything and they don't look at it unless they think they need to. But let's just say you're moving up the ranks and you're causing a little bit of problems. Oh cool, go scour all of his shit,

Starting point is 00:36:32 find some stuff because we're going to compromise and then they come to you and be like, Adam. How are they able to keep Epstein Island a secret for so long? I know, I guess that's true. It's weird that they, isn't that weird? They haven't convicted, who'd they convict with that? Nobody.

Starting point is 00:36:43 But Trump got it convicted, huh? Yeah, immediately over some really interesting charges. weird. They haven't convicted. Who'd they convict with that? But Trump got it convicted, huh? Yeah. Immediately. It looks like they're really interesting charges. The priorities are on straight, aren't they? Just a little bit. I know. All right. So here's a real one. Check this out. This is real, by the way. Gary Webb in 1996, this is all confirmed by the way, he exposed how the CIA hired drug traffickers to sell massive amounts of cocaine in the United States in order

Starting point is 00:37:03 to raise untraceable funds to finance a terrorist organization who were trying to overthrow the Nicaraguan government. We know this, this was a whole big deal when Reagan was in there. Like how do we fund this overthrow because Congress shut it down, CIA was selling drugs, whatever.

Starting point is 00:37:19 He, and that sparked the crack epidemic. There's like a big story around this or whatever. Anyway, he brought this out. They destroyed his life, destroyed his marriage. And then in 2006, he was found dead with two bullet wounds in his head. It was ruled a suicide. Same guy.

Starting point is 00:37:33 Isn't that crazy? Two bullets in his head was ruled a suicide. Yeah. Oh. All right, hold on. He must have twisted. It didn't work, it didn't work. I didn't realize that.

Starting point is 00:37:42 That sounds so good. How'd that happen? Yeah. That's two for the good. How does that happen? Yeah. He's a little trigger happy. Two bolts his head, rule of suicide. Okay. That's weird. Nobody else caught that one off.

Starting point is 00:37:57 I didn't catch it until I just read it right now. Hey, I got something for you guys. So a little bit of dad talk. We haven't talked dad talk. So I'm always fascinated with this. I know, Sal, you like this, it's back to your evolutionary stuff. Like, why are there things that are just innate in us that we don't have to teach the next generation? Like they just do it without like, and every time I catch these moments of like, what did you do? My son doing something, I'm just like, without like, and every time I catch these moments of like, what'd he do? My son doing something, I'm just like,

Starting point is 00:38:26 how did he know to do that? Or how would he know that's a thing? Or like, whatever, right? And so he's in the bath, Katrina's laying on the bed, I'm on the bed, he's like doing his thing in the bath, and he's standing up in the bathtub, and Katrina's like, what are you doing? And he turns around, and he's got a little heart on,

Starting point is 00:38:41 and he's hanging his loofah on the his little boner It's like obviously didn't learn that from me. I didn't teach you that but everybody in here is hung a towel on their dick Every single man in this room. You want to see how I know did your dad teach you my dad didn't teach me that But every single man in this room has hung a towel on their dick sure at one point and so here he is strength It's that weird. He's never seen his dad. It'd be a wet towel. That's only if you're strong, dry. Yeah. How about beach? Just use a facial facial cloth or a little

Starting point is 00:39:20 why though? Every man has done that. Every single man has done that. He turns her out I died What are you doing? Don't laugh at him? He's gonna. I don't like let him put a kettlebell on there. What are you talking about? None of the ones out there, I hope Yeah, hey, did you see my video Justin? I thought it might make you mad, but I shared anyway Did you guys see me do the see me do the punching machine again? Oh, I did see that I challenge the editors none of them have raised the riff come up David David 100 but the Oak Ridge. Oh, there's a little arcade in there. So I went there with my kid which oh my god

Starting point is 00:39:55 So fun, they have a Jurassic Park Game that you sit in does make me a little mad and you it does I know just you sit down and you shoot dinosaurs and monsters and shit and my three and a half year old, he knows how to play pretty well. So we were for like, dude, it was like an hour and a half. We were in there just blasting dinosaurs and just, you know, every time someone died I would hit restart or whatever.

Starting point is 00:40:14 Had so much fun, but then we saw the punching machine and so I'm like, do you wanna see how hard I could punch it? He's like, okay, so like, you know. He's like, do you wanna see Hercules? Yeah. He's like, is that good? I'm like, nobody's ever got that number The machine said I was first place

Starting point is 00:40:37 Profile the best in the world, but I said to the to the editors. I'm like whoever can beat this score I don't know if they're all ready if they're all like, you know, what's the word? I want to use the perfect height for you That's for sure. What? you know, what's the word I want to use? The perfect height for you, that's for sure. What? Yeah, they were built for your body. Set up. They were built for your head. I wonder if they're all standardized.

Starting point is 00:40:50 No rotation. Let's be honest. I wonder if like one, you get a score on one if it gets a standard. Have you seen that viral video too of the, it shows a real martial artist guy kicking and punching the bag like all, ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba. And it's like, how I think I'm doing it. And then it shows the guy who's, then it's like, how I'm really doing it. Yeah. It's like, rabbit punching it. Yeah. like all ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba- on the floor and it'll measure how hard you can kick it. I definitely want to try that. Oh, stupid. Let's go.

Starting point is 00:41:25 I'll fall down. No! Round two, bro. I'll take you. I think I got 90% of you. Have you guys ever been in a fight where someone tried to kick you? Have you ever been in a fight where someone tried to kick you?

Starting point is 00:41:32 Remember Justin got his ass kicked? Remember that kid jumped up? Oh, yeah. And started doing kung fu on him and shit? See, I should know to bring up Steve. Yeah. You're going to hold that against me. That was like a kid.

Starting point is 00:41:43 That's what's like, bro. I was four, bro. You were shocked. I got beat like twice. I got like a kid. That's like bro. I was four bro. You were shocked. I got beat like twice. Like I got beat up twice. Wait, same guy? Good career. Was it the same guy?

Starting point is 00:41:52 Street fights. No, no, it was this different. But yeah, he kicked me and he gave me like a dead leg. You know, and I just like sort of cried. Oh no. It was like grabbing him and trying to punch him and just, yeah, it was pathetic. Yeah. I learned from that. So I mean, I wonder as an adult, if you saw like somebody getting like a

Starting point is 00:42:10 karate stance, if, are you more worried or are you like, you think it's kind of like, God, that's a good question. Right? Do you get more worried? I feel like there's only one thing that would scare me as an adult is the cauliflower ears. Yeah. That's it. If a guy and I were about to go at it and I see that cauliflower ears, I'm running. I'm a little nervous. Or if he's naked, I'm out. You know what I mean? Naked guy wants to fight you? Naked or cauliflower ears, or both. Or foaming, you know, some kind of like PCP thing. You know, something on your hands. Like, what's on your hands, bro? Oh, I'm out of here. No, I think if I saw someone do a kick, because you know, the first kick might not land, right? If I see the kick and I'm like, Oh,

Starting point is 00:42:49 well, this is funny. This reminds me. So there used to be this designated area where everybody would fight after school. And it was like the back of this church at this parking lot in so perfect. Yeah. Right. Like it's very convenient. You know, pastors are in there doing their work, but, uh, we're all gathered around and this guy knew this guy he wasn't my friend, but He busted out some karate and was like, you know Get into stance and did like a roundhouse kick and totally caught air in the car It just picks him up and slam seen that on his head. I was like dude. This doesn't work Yeah, you know not at all. Yeah, I don't think I'd be afraid of a kick Even if I saw your kick right before.

Starting point is 00:43:25 Because you're trying to cry chop him in the throat. Make that happen in a fight. You got to hurry up and grab him if you see a good kick. You better grab his ass real quick, because he's about to catch you. Yeah. I saw a Dude, elbows and head butts, bro.

Starting point is 00:43:36 That's where it's at. The head butt. The head butt is so underrated. I'll bite the shit out of you, dude. Oh, head butt. The shit is underrated. It is underrated. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:43:44 Sink your teeth in the simpsons. But you're also, like, you're not is underrated. It is underrated. Yeah. Sink your teeth in the sink. But you're also, like, you're not going to get any street cred, though. You know what I mean? You win a final fight. Nobody thinks that's cool, yeah. Nobody's going to tell everybody, like, bro, Adam won the fight.

Starting point is 00:43:54 They'll be like, he bit the guy. He fucking bit me, dude. Yeah. He said, you grabbed my nuts and twisted them? He said, that's Adam's other move. Yeah, that's his other move. It is. You told me that.

Starting point is 00:44:02 I've done that. Yeah. Bro, I've been in some survival. I was just saying, I've always thought it's funny when people are like, there's like rules. If I'm like, I don't want to get in a fight at all. Like I'm trying to avoid a fight at all. But if I'm there, I'm using all things necessary to get out of this. I saw, I've seen it.

Starting point is 00:44:18 I saw a guy who was a boxer who just jabbed someone twice. I'm one a good stiff jab in your nose goes, goes my eyes water right up. You don't want to fight one. And he had another one. The guy's like, I give up. Speaking of fighting, you see the, the Tyson, Jake Paul thing. Yeah. Tyson had to cancel or reschedule. Why he had like a, what was his condition? Look it up for me, Doug. He had some like medical condition on the plane. It's already, I thought he had some on a plane and then they're saying he's okay.

Starting point is 00:44:46 I don't know where it was. Unraveling. It was a medical condition that something happened. And so they had to postpone it. So there's a lot of talk around like, is he gonna fight still? And supporting, according to Tyson, Tyson said it's on still. I think this is what it was.

Starting point is 00:44:58 I really don't want him to. I'm like, good. Oh, great. I don't either. Retire. What do you get to, I mean, if he loses, it's not like, oh, he beat Tyson. I actually think that, I think that Jake Paul has nothing to win.

Starting point is 00:45:09 What does it say? He got sick on an airplane. That's what it was, that's what I thought. What was the sickness though? Nauseous and dizzy. Yeah, it was something though. That's related to something, I forgot what it was. Oh, some type of condition.

Starting point is 00:45:20 That's related to art. Good, it was art. It's not bird flu, I've seen some things. Hey, have you guys, speaking of stuff that's on social me have you guys seen first of all two things did you see the video on Biden where it looks like he pooped himself you see that yeah have you seen it he was that he walks over and could yeah no it doesn't look good dude oh my dog look like when you're you think they have dogs on him kid he I feel here I feel bad this is elder abuse he's obviously

Starting point is 00:45:44 he's obviously in dementia. So embarrassing to be an American, that's like our president. I mean. Here's the way I look at it. Once someone's in office, I'm rooting for you. Of course. No matter who you are.

Starting point is 00:45:57 We don't want you to. I'm rooting for you. I'm not trying to take you well. You do represent our country at this point. And it's like, we have to have the worst representation in the world. The most frail, like, demented example. So have you guys seen the comment,

Starting point is 00:46:09 like the comedic videos and other countries are making fun of his dementia. Of course they are. We would too. But he's literally, he's at this talk, I think it was D-Day. Yeah. Is that what it was?

Starting point is 00:46:23 Yes. And he like. When he left early too, right? Bro, he did poop himself. He literally did. Oh, I thought that was a speculation. No, they didn't confirm it. Okay, look, we all have kids. What do toddlers do when they're playing and they stop?

Starting point is 00:46:36 You ever see a toddler playing and they stop and they kind of do the half squat? Kind of grimace and the eyes. They do a little half squat. That's what he did in the video. I don't know why it's not playing but everybody's like he definitely Yeah Yeah, here is watching. They're just chilling. Who is that French president or whatever?

Starting point is 00:46:59 That sucks and then the people around them are kind of making faces and stuff like Well, I mean if you're there, you know That sucks. And then the people around them are kind of making faces and stuff like, Oh my God. Maybe he's far over there. Well, I mean, if you're there, you know, speaking of Biden, so his wife, right? Jill, you want to hear something crazy? That was, that's true. What? Jill Biden, when she was 15, baby sat Joe Biden's son Hunter. So Joe Biden, I guess was married before.

Starting point is 00:47:27 Joe Biden was his 15 year old babysitter. Then he gets married to her later on. Oh my God. Yeah, dude. Someone confirmed that for me. I confirmed it, but I just want to confirm it again. That's always good to do little fact checks. That's gross, dude.

Starting point is 00:47:40 That's like in... That's gross. I mean, what? Well, I mean, this happens all the time. Priscilla Presley was 15. Bro, no, what? Well, I mean, this happens all the time. Bro, no, do you guys? Okay. Red hot chili peppers. This is in my notes. Actually. It's crazy. You went this direction. Yeah. Right. Is that his name? It's in my notes. He is him and Leonardo Caprio. Both those dudes are with 19 year old girls right now. Yes, right now. Now how long Anthony Anthony Kiedis is like 61 years old and he's with a 19 year old Leonardo DiCaprio. The rumor about him is like they're never

Starting point is 00:48:11 get once a girlfriend gets 25 he dumps her. He goes back to like a 19 year old. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause it's happened like five times. Yes. Now Leonardo's what 45. Yes. It's less creepy. Yeah, but 45 61 16 years old. Yeah What kind of conversations are you having you're not having any conversation? Oh, yeah, I mean no offense to any teenagers, you know young girls listening right now But like, you know, you're gonna sit down at what are you gonna talk? What do you do? Yeah, you're 19 What are we gonna do?

Starting point is 00:48:41 Disrespectful thing as far because you could have a very smart 19 year old, but what do you have in common? You're two decades apart from each other. That's really weird. Yeah, get along with your dad real cool. But I thought that, I thought that. We went to school together, did you know that? Yeah. Was that the right, oh yeah it was, Anthony Kytis, right?

Starting point is 00:48:57 That's who it was. He's 61. Well look, we know what the deal is, right? He's marrying her for youth and beauty, she's marrying him for money. So. And that's actually not the, I explained this to Katrina and I. I mean, he's in pretty good shape still. No, I mean, for a 61 year old, he looks good. He looks great. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:49:12 And is it, and isn't that weird if you think about what, like, if you take it all the way back, you know, hundreds of years ago, what do you, if you were a female, the male that you were attracted to had nothing to do with his age, had everything to do with his ability to protect and provide. In modern time, that's financial, money, and health. And if you're a 61-year-old dude, you got abs still, and you got a lot of money, so with that, you're what back then

Starting point is 00:49:37 would have been considered the best hunter, the guy who's coming home, dragging home six deer behind him. You know what, though, we know this now for a fact now. We know this data-wise. The brain, the human brain doesn't fully mature to think till mid-20s. So the frontal lobe is not fully developed

Starting point is 00:49:53 until you're about, I believe, 24 or 25. So if you're 25 and you're marrying a 61-year-old, it's probably a lot different than 19. 19, you're still a child, you know, like, especially as my older kids get older. I know. And I'm around, you know, kids that are 19, 18. And I look at them like, Oh yeah, you're all big. Now I remember when I was 18, where you hanging out, where that like, you know, Oh, hey, so the part that I think is weird, when you talk about, we got a lot of comments, when you talk about red hot chili pepper, Anthony,

Starting point is 00:50:22 Anthony, and you talk about Leonardo Carpe, that I think it's one, is that you go that young and you have access to anything you want. So it's like, you couldn't find a 24 year old that, you know, to your point, like you couldn't find a 24 year old that like checks all the boxes that the 19 year old checks, like that's just weird to me. Like you should be able to find a 24, 25, 26 year old. Obviously there's one thing at the top of his priority list

Starting point is 00:50:46 and everything else doesn't count. That's what he's looking at. You know what I mean? That's the only thing that makes sense to me why a guy, like guys that have that much access would go for that, right? Like you're talking about two super famous, super wealthy, good looking guys pretty much have access

Starting point is 00:51:03 to everything that they want. And they go right for a 19 year old. They're definitely on TikTok. Yeah. That's all I'm saying. Hey, did you see, I got another one for you, another Netflix documentary for you. Have you seen the TikTok one yet?

Starting point is 00:51:17 No. Yeah, watch that one, you'll like that. I watched the intro. It's a cult one for you. Oh, yes. I know you like cult. No, I watched the intro for it, and Jessica was like, she's like, no, because it was like,

Starting point is 00:51:27 it's going to be depressing. No, no, no, it's worth watching. It's worth watching. It's not like, isn't it the girl that she left her family for this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's not, I thought it was going to be way, I thought it was going to be way more sad.

Starting point is 00:51:37 It's not, it's just, it's actually more cult interesting. Okay. You'll become more fascinated with like, I'll get Courtney on that one too. This guy, this guy actually figured this, You know what I thought was interesting was I follow like two of the dancers. I was like, Oh shit. I was like, don't continue. I'm like, I follow these guys. The two of these dancers right here. And I pulled up my Instagram.

Starting point is 00:51:54 You're in the cult. Yeah. Or they were, or were. Yeah, they were. Yeah. So you ended it? No. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's why I think the, the ones that I'm most interested in watching are these ones like that one the one that we talked about a while back where the cults are still going well, I want like a Like some kind of chart or something like like a current status of all the cults right now. I bet you there's been a Surge of new ones and what I think is so interesting and why this one's interesting to me And the last one we talked about, is that they still exist, even after these documentaries come out

Starting point is 00:52:26 and expose all of it. Yeah. It's still, how, like- It's almost like the more popular. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. Makes no sense to me, like- What kind of group is this? Have you seen this documentary?

Starting point is 00:52:37 Yeah, that's it. That's it. That's it. They don't want you to know the truth. That's the non-believers. Yeah, yeah. They're out to discredit our- Like, could you imagine trying to sell it to your friend

Starting point is 00:52:46 after the documentary's already come out? You might help. It might help you sell it. You know what I mean? Because- Yeah, they're really trying to put us down. People who are in cults believe that they have the answer that nobody else knows about, right?

Starting point is 00:52:58 So that might actually sell it more like, yeah, they don't want people to know. You know, we know. Sure. A comet's coming, we're gonna go land up there. It sucks to be them. This preacher guy was running some serious game for sure. So he was using that as like a front and a cover,

Starting point is 00:53:12 which protected him from a lot of the financial system. Had a really hard time. They're like- That's the biggest upside. Well, so they're talking about, I never, in this documentary, talking about how difficult it is to take a cult down because there's nothing illegal about a cult.

Starting point is 00:53:26 Yeah. A cult's not illegal. Because everybody's voluntarily. That's right, because everybody's voluntarily getting controlled. It's like they're not. They're donating their finances. Yeah, so the only way they say they can get them

Starting point is 00:53:37 is by showing them where they've like stolen money or done something. Yeah, there has to be something illegal. Yes, they have to find like an illegal financial loophole. And many times, it's like a slap on the wrist because it's not enough. Because a lot of these people also gave their money. And that's why I think this guy didn't get taken down too,

Starting point is 00:53:51 is that even though they proved all this money shit that he was doing, it's like, well, they wrote the check. They signed the check. They did give it away. So it's like, they can all come together and say they were manipulated now and all this stuff like that. But it's like, well, he didn't force you to. There's no proof of him twisting your arm

Starting point is 00:54:06 or threatening your life. And so yeah, it's tough to take him down. Yeah, Lawsor, did you, so I need confirmation for this, but I'm seeing lots of posts that there was a federal court, I think there was a lawsuit revolving around the COVID vaccines, that a federal court basically said they are not vaccines. Like, sorry, you can't classify them as vaccines said they are not vaccines. Sorry, you can't classify them as vaccines.

Starting point is 00:54:29 They weren't vaccines. Which we've known since the beginning. Wow, you know what's crazy? So we need to confirm this though, because this is new, so I don't know if we can find anything, but. My brain hurts with all this stuff. What's crazy about this is all the stuff

Starting point is 00:54:38 that people said that got them in big trouble that were labeled as crazy, conspiracy, whatever. Yeah. All of it's coming out to be true. I remember when people said, Oh, it's not vaccines. Gee, they're gonna like hammer that is like they're now that's their failsafe. Yeah, dude. That's ridiculous. Yes. Like people are getting, like they were hammering us that it was a vaccine and it should be just like a polio vaccine. Yeah. That's, that was the rhetoric. Dude. It's wild. Like, like people said,

Starting point is 00:55:05 Oh, you know, masks don't work. You shouldn't use it. You destroy it. Now they're like, Oh, that's so fresh. Actually, they don't do anything. And they all those plastic partitions you put up, they don't do anything. How dare you? And I was like, yeah, actually it didn't do anything. Oh my God. Shutting things down. That's not going to slow anything down. You're how dare you? Oh yeah. Actually it came out that it's not now they're saying that it's not, they're not. I know. Of course. I know, I know. Can you find anything, Doug? Yeah, you know, the problem I have with all this stuff

Starting point is 00:55:29 is if you do the research on it, there's a lot of people saying all this stuff is false. Like Biden pooping his pants, no. You know, what you just said, no, no, no. But the thing is, I don't trust any of the media at all today. So I don't honestly know what is true and what is not true. It's probably part of the game.

Starting point is 00:55:47 The fact checkers are part of it. Oh, there's the other thing is that Biden, uh, Joe Biden was not a babysitter. You know, so we got these, all these fact checkers that are opposing the things that are being set out there that may or may not be true. And so it's really hard to research this. Well, maybe it isn't true, but I'll tell you what. You watched a video of him at the D-Day thing and he definitely looks like he's something happening. Something's happening.

Starting point is 00:56:11 I agree with that wholeheartedly. That's not what you do when you're in the group. You gotta ask the people in the front row. Yeah, for sure. I mean, either way, he was having a senior moment. Let's just put it that way. Yeah, or he was like, ugh. It didn't look right.

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Starting point is 00:57:10 practice. Go check them out. Go to plunge.com. Use the code MINDPUMP. Get $150 off. All right, back to the show. First question is from a man with a mission. If you're in your 40s and you maintain mostly the same workout weight and volume that you used in your 40s and you maintain mostly the same workout, weight, and volume that you used in your 30s, does that mean you got stronger since you were supposed to get weaker as you got older? Does going against time count as improvement? You know, that's actually a good question. It is a really good question. You know, I would say, now the ages- I'd say no. Yeah, well, I mean it depends on the age, right? You kind of define the odds on some level.

Starting point is 00:57:47 40, 40. So you say, you're in your 40s and it's coming from your 30s. And you're just doing the same way that you were doing 10 years ago. I think you could definitely improve in different areas. But as you get older, this starts to become more true. So it's more of this, this isn't a bad thing.

Starting point is 00:58:01 Okay, I wouldn't be discouraged like, I wouldn't be discouraged. Like, Oh, I haven't been doing good at all for 10 years because I'm doing the same weights. And also context matters. What if you are like, okay, uh, if I could be doing right now in my mid forties, what I was doing at 31, I would be very happy because I was some of my peak shape was at 30. So this matters, right? So were you coming from some of your peak shape in your 30s and you're still able to maintain some,

Starting point is 00:58:31 oh man, that's phenomenal. I'd be very happy to be even there. I'm behind where I was at 31 right now. So context matters, right? But if let's say you just really started lifting in your 30s and you weren't that very strong in your 30s and you still maintain that 40. Well, there's probably a lot of room for improvement here.

Starting point is 00:58:48 Yeah, if you're fit and healthy at 40 versus your 30-year-old self that wasn't involved with consistent exercise and good diet and all that stuff, you're gonna be better off. You'll be more fit, you'll be stronger. In fact, this was a lot of my clients. A lot of my clients hired me in their 40s and got in the best shape clients hired me in their 40s

Starting point is 00:59:05 and got in the best shape of their life in their 40s. Even 50s, I know Doug, I wanna say at the age of, he was late 40s, almost 50, when he got in the absolute best shape of his entire life. But if you're like hitting crazy numbers in your 30s and you can maintain that, going to your 40s, then yeah, you're probably doing a damn good job. But you know, this becomes more true

Starting point is 00:59:27 the older you get, right? So if you're 50, if you're 60, if you're 70, and you're using the same weights. Then you've maintained that, that's awesome. You are, you are absolutely killing it. Now, you know, this does point though to one thing, which is that we can get, there's two things here. One, your workouts should change.

Starting point is 00:59:46 You should have some variety in what you're doing. Your goals should change just because the body does best that way. I mean, even if you're, even with the most perfect workout programming, if it's directed in one direction all the time, you will develop imbalances. You will develop, uh, movement issues because, issues because balance needs to be factored in. Right? So there's a, there's a strength to weight ratio and a strength ratio that refers to my body's ability to push versus pull versus stabilize versus balance.

Starting point is 01:00:18 My isolateral strength versus my bilateral strength that there's a balance there. And when it, when that imbalance grows too large, because it's that you always train in one particular way, you actually raise your risk of injury. So variety needs to be a part of your routine. And this kind of sounds like there's no variety. It's like the same stuff. I'm doing the same stuff all the time.

Starting point is 01:00:37 So that's, that's really the big one. The second thing is, you know, as you do get older, um, and especially if you've been doing this for a long time, it becomes less important, still, it's still important, but it becomes less important to focus on your numbers and what you can lift and what you can do. I mean, you've been working out for 10 years consistently. Like, that's why me personally, I'm like, yeah, cool. Like I don't know.

Starting point is 01:01:02 I think it's great if I could maintain what kind of numbers I was able to ramp up to, to Adam's earlier point. Like when you're like in your peak and like you're really getting after those numbers, but you know, you could come back, revisit it, and kind of work your way back up to those numbers pretty easily as you're older, but you have all these other new skills

Starting point is 01:01:19 and attributes you've acquired along, you know, the other timeline that you've been focused on, I think that's way more admirable. Listen, as you get into your 40s, 50s, and 60s, there's a lot less of strength that is required for proving how strong you are, meaning I need to be strong enough to do all the things that I love doing,

Starting point is 01:01:42 and I wanna be able to do that relatively easy. Meaning I don't need to be able to pull 550 pounds off the ground, off of a, for a deadlift. There's just, that does not transfer over into the things that I do every, every day that the difference between 350 and 550 in the things that I need to do every day is not- The risk of getting that strong versus the reward you get from it becomes so not. Yes. Being able to squat comfortably, 225 to 300 pounds comfortably versus maybe I'll

Starting point is 01:02:15 squat 450, the difference between that and the things that I'm doing in my life in my 40s and 50s doesn't matter. And I would argue in fact, I would even make the argument as you get older that training and eating and directing yourself to the 450 or 500 pound squat probably would reduce your quality of life than just having a good 300 pound squat. Yeah. Like that because of the aches and pains and the dedication and the discipline, the focus and everything has to be perfect

Starting point is 01:02:42 in a particular way that I think it would take away. You're going to pressure the hinges to a degree, you know, after you hit a certain capacity, it's like, it's just going to go down from there in terms of pain and restriction. You know, I had somebody message me and they said, you know, I thought you said that if you can do an exercise with perfect technique, form, stability, balance, that it's going to be safe always. So why are you saying like, you know,

Starting point is 01:03:07 the risk versus reward thing with getting stronger? By the way, that's true. Like if you perform a movement with incredible control, stability, balance and mobility, then the risk of injury is essentially zero. But here's the problem. If I'm doing an exercise, let's say I'm doing a squat and I have 200 pounds on my back,

Starting point is 01:03:26 and I move a half a degree to the left off of perfect form versus if I have 500 pounds on my back, the half a degree means a lot more in terms of potentially hurting myself. So at some point, you just look at things and say, okay, I can add 50 pounds to my lift if I really push, but is it worth it? And what is it gonna mean if I can squat or lift 50 more pounds in my regular life or even how I look? Probably nothing. So it's smarter to train this way now.

Starting point is 01:03:54 Next question is from Anesthesia Strength. Can sleeping too much make you feel more tired? Sure. Yeah, so you know what's interesting about this. So if you look at the data on people who sleep too little versus people who sleep too much, people who sleep too much actually have worse health outcomes and longevity issues.

Starting point is 01:04:15 Do you think Salda has less to do with the actual time they're sleeping and that that's their body trying to tell them there's something else going on? Yeah, so that's where I'm going here. So people are like, oh my God, I sleep too much, I get too tired, or I'm sleeping so much, I can't feel rested.

Starting point is 01:04:29 There's often an underlying thing that's going on. So when you look at the data on people who sleep lots and lots throughout the day, you're dealing with someone who's ill, either mentally, physically, or both, and that's what the issue is. It's less to do with, oh, be careful, if you sleep more than nine hours a day, it's dangerous.

Starting point is 01:04:47 It's like, listen, if your body is exhausted or feeling like it needs 10 hours of sleep every night, that's normally a sign it's telling you something else is going on that needs that, or it's- Or you're depressed, depression. One of the hallmarks of deep depression is lots of sleeping, just constant wanting to rest and sleep and I can't feel rested.

Starting point is 01:05:10 So if you're something, by the way, there's a range, right? So there's definitely people that need more like nine hours of sleep at night, and if they don't get nine hours, they feel kind of off. Then there's people who are closer to the seven to eight hours, and then there's the rare occasion, there are rare, rare cases of people who get away, who actually do well around six hours or so.

Starting point is 01:05:29 But if you're finding like, oh my God, I slept 12 hours, and I'm exhausted, and I've been sleeping 12 hours a day for like a week, and there's something else going on. Unless you're a teenager, and then your brain is wild. Oh my God, I know Ethan's going through that right now. We wake up at like 12, 1 o'clock in the afternoon. And I'm like, oh my God. Do I wake him up?

Starting point is 01:05:50 I remember that though. I remember that. I remember going through that phase. Bro, what a difference, by the way. I'll just tell you right now, because I have teenagers, and then I have toddler and a baby. Toddlers will wake up at the crack of dawn, no matter what happens.

Starting point is 01:06:01 I'm awake. Teenagers, I got to go in their room and be like, are you alive? Okay, do you need water? Like what the fuck? I gotta like throw a bucket at it. By the way, did your parents let you sleep in? Mine didn't.

Starting point is 01:06:12 Did you guys get a chance? Mine did, yeah. Mine did on the weekend. On the weekends I could. Did you really? Yeah, on the weekends I could. No, bro, I never. I, my, Saturday morning.

Starting point is 01:06:20 Explains a lot. Yeah, it does. It explains a lot. That's why I still love it. I'll sleep in if I can. No, Saturday morning, my dad was like, That's why you're so obnoxious this morning, bro. Mm-mm, mm-mm.

Starting point is 01:06:30 Because you've been training that way your whole life. Yeah, get up, you gotta help me, we gotta go do some work. Oh, okay, dad. No, my parents did let me do that. You know, the point I wanna make with this question is because you said something that I feel like it traps so many people that like, there's studies that show people that only get

Starting point is 01:06:47 six hours or it's still, or good. Yeah, and everybody thinks that's them. So, right. So everybody, so in my experience, every single person I have ever trained has opportunity to improve sleep. Yeah. So I don't care who you think you are in this

Starting point is 01:07:01 spectrum of I get good sleep. There is every person I have ever coached and trained there's opportunity to improve that and we talked earlier about improving your sleep by 10 to 20 percent the returns you will get from that are far greater than any of these other hacks or supplements that are out on the market. So everybody should be always assessing their sleep quality and always trying to improve that. Yeah, by the way, the odds that you're one of those people that needs less sleep than

Starting point is 01:07:32 everyone else, like that's the same as the odds that you have the genetics to be in the NBA. So probably not. Next question is from MFS Wellness. With Instagram and other social media platforms sexualizing fitness so heavily, what strategies can be used to thwart people from the superficial and vanity of it all and turn inward to focus on using fitness for themselves, quality of life, and loved ones? You know what, when I think about something like this- Thwart and smite.

Starting point is 01:08:01 Yeah, I know, I love the word choices here, right? The truth will always prevail. And I think those are things that we see right now. I think Instagram, social media in general is relatively new in our existence, right? Our human existence. It's not, it's a newer tool. And people early on found quick hacks to get attention. And some people have turned that attention into

Starting point is 01:08:31 monetization and had temporary success, but long-term success is going to go fall back on the truth. And I think if you're a person that's trying to build a social media following like that, stick to that, stick to what you know is true and continue to give people the truth and value and eventually I think the right people will find you and you'll grow and you'll help people.

Starting point is 01:08:55 100%, and by the way, it's not Instagram and social media that's sexualizing fitness, it's people. It's been forever, yeah. It's people. We sexualize fitness, it's people. The first step I would say is this. Go on your own social media and completely change your explore pages and your algorithm. Like literally block pages that sexualize

Starting point is 01:09:16 fitness or follow pages that present the information you want. Don't hover on the pages you don't want to follow. And listen, so I have a different opinion now on social media because I've done this, my wife's done this. If you go on my wife's Instagram and you scroll through her, you know, the, the explore page and stuff, it's all like personal growth, pop parenting. Like she has really narrated essentially her algorithm. So you could do that. And to Adam's point, if you're a trainer or a coach and you're using sex to sell, like you're constantly posting,

Starting point is 01:09:51 this is like the core of what you do, constantly posting how you look, very few people, very few coaches can actually build a business off this, okay? Most people just get a lot of I's and likes and can't ever turn it into a business. If you do things the right way and present fitness in the right way

Starting point is 01:10:08 in the ways that really get people healthy and fit for the long term, you might not get as many I's, but you'll have more impact, that's for sure. Yeah, I mean, exactly what you said, but also you gotta realize, people are gonna be attracted to attractive people and they're gonna seek that out themselves.

Starting point is 01:10:25 Let them, you know, like if you're feeding that that's on you. But you know, at the end of the day, like it could be any other thing they're promoting. It doesn't even matter if it's like, you know, some piece of plastic or some waste trainer or some whatever bullshit thing they're going to throw your way. They're hot. They're looking great. You're following them because you're just looking at them and that's it, that's all it is. We don't have to restructure the way that they're doing it, just stop. Ignore them.

Starting point is 01:10:52 Ignore them. Yeah. Next question is from Dre Tella. What is the definition of cardio? Is it based on heart rate? You know, Doug, I'd like for you to look up the definition of cardiovascular exercise and see what it says. So, I mean, I'd like for you to look up the definition of cardiovascular exercise

Starting point is 01:11:05 and see what it says. So, I mean I can tell you what it looks like, but in a nutshell, it's when you're using the glycolytic energy, primarily using those energy sources. And that is a formula based off of your heart rate. And everyone has an individual formula that you can plug in and figure out based off of your resting heart rate.

Starting point is 01:11:23 And once your heart rate crosses over what they call the cardio threshold, you're plug in and figure out based off of your resting heart rate. And once your heart rate crosses over what they call the cardio threshold, you're now in cardio. So it's not anything related just to the heart, because I saw people answering underneath it. That's why I put this question up here. But you know, I mentioned the glycolytic energy. Here's the deal, you're always using that energy system too,

Starting point is 01:11:38 so that's not even completely accurate. What does that say? Any form of activity that uses aerobic metabolism. See, the problem with that is that all strength training, strength training still uses some aerobic metabolism. And here's a better one. Look up formula for cardio threshold, and I'm gonna get it for you guys.

Starting point is 01:11:56 Wasn't it 220 minus age times? Yes, yes. 220 minus. Is it Carvonian? Yes, yes, that's it. Carvonian formula. I don't remember that. I know, that's. With the K.

Starting point is 01:12:06 That's like the science that you learn on a treadmill. Subtract your age from 180 to get your MAF heart rate. For example, if you're 30 years old, MFA heart rate would be one. That's just the basic, that's not the carbonium formula. You can then add or subtract the number of base life factors. Use a heart rate monitor to train. Carbonium formula is more accurate. That's like more individualized.

Starting point is 01:12:24 So look up carbonium, it's how it sounds. Sir the K, yeah. And then look up the Carvonian formula for this. But people overthink this. Oh yeah, of course they do. Like you know who needs to know all these numbers? Like hardcore endurance athletes or athletes? Like let's look at your VO2 max, it's you know.

Starting point is 01:12:39 Yeah, lactate threshold, like all that stuff matters. Okay, so I think where we probably, why we get this question is because of how okay there it is right there 220 minus age I think you add back your resting. For heart rate max and then that's hold on your heart rate reserved multiplied by the percentage of intensity plus your resting heart rate That sounds confusing But you can look this up and figure this out for yourself or 180 minus your age It's gonna give you general so general too because there's a difference from person or up and figure this out for yourself. Or 180 minus your age is gonna give you a general. So general too, because there's a difference from person to person to figure this out.

Starting point is 01:13:08 But I have never, have you guys ever trained a client where you're like, we gotta measure your heart rate, make sure you're in the right zone. And then it changes. So I went through, the reason why I knew all that off the top of my head was because I went through a phase where- You probably sold training with this. I did, I did, I totally did.

Starting point is 01:13:22 Fad earnings. No, I'm just, okay, just being honest, I used to go to people on the treadmills and tell them they were not maximizing their, their fat burning because they didn't understand their cardio systems. And they didn't know where their mat were the highest potential of fat is being burned versus energy versus potential muscle and how to stay in that zone two range. And so I used to break it down for them and be like,

Starting point is 01:13:45 we want to manage your heart rate right in here to optimize your fat burn. Yes, yeah. So I totally thought that's circulating again. I've seen people. Yeah, I mean, it's a thing, right? So and I'm sure we get it because we talk about, like, we're not big fans of using cardiovascular training

Starting point is 01:13:59 for fat loss. That's all though. Really, just point of fact that you need to be doing activity. You know, like moderate to be doing activity. Moderate to low intensity activity throughout the day. Yeah, look. We've really overcomplicated. The other reason why to support, Sal, your point,

Starting point is 01:14:13 that it's really so irrelevant and so ridiculous, because you can change VO2 max within a week. So you could go down and you could plug all the numbers in and be like, OK, this is my cardio threshold. Here's my zone 2. This is where I should manage. And then you could plug all the numbers in and be like, okay, this is my cardio threshold, here's my zone two, this is where I should manage. And then you get really efficient at cardio in one week. One week.

Starting point is 01:14:29 Yeah, one week, and then now that moves and it changes. By the way, building a little bit of muscle automatically raises your VO2. But you know what I hate about this, and this happened to me as a trainer, and I know this happens to a lot of people. This conversation around heart rate and fat burning zone and what level you're at or whatever

Starting point is 01:14:47 and the carbonium formula completely, completely made walking look like a waste of time. Walking, like, oh, walking? You walk for exercise? What a waste of time. It's not any of the zones that make a difference. It's not a fat burning zone. What's your maximum heart rate?

Starting point is 01:15:02 What's your, oh, you're walking? Which is so dumb because I could have been communicating for at least the first almost 10 years of my career to people to walk more, but instead I told them not to walk because these communicate, you know, hearing this made me believe that walking was a waste of time because you're not breathing hard, you're not, you know, your heart rate isn't getting to a particular place or whatever, which is just not true. The average person for the average person listening right now, who's not

Starting point is 01:15:30 an athlete, doesn't have any aspirations of, you know, high, super high performance, just wants to be healthy, improve the longevity and all that stuff. Your best bet, aside from the occasional strength training once or twice a week, just walk more and don't worry about your heart rate. Conversational cardio. That's it. Where you can talk and you don't lose your breath in between. That's it, 100%.

Starting point is 01:15:51 And you're not gonna get crazy endurance and stamina from it, but you'll get great health benefits. Look, if you love the show, we have a free guide that teaches you how to squat like a pro. So, talks about mobility, form, technique, and different forms of squatting. It's a free how to squat like a pro guide. You can find it at mindpumpfree.com. You can also find all of us on social media. Justin is on Instagram at mind pump Justin. I'm on Instagram at mindpump

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