Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2373: Adjusting Your Calories to Match Your Workouts, the Negative Effects of Artificial Sweeteners, Avoiding a "Boxy" Deadlift Physique & MORE

Episode Date: July 5, 2024

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer four Pump Head questions drawn from last Sunday’s Quah post on the @mindpumpmedia Instagram page.  Mind Pump Fit Tip: A great way to add novelty to your workout. (2:00) The PRx Mind Pump HQ remodel. (10:42) The ‘Kim Kardashian’ of goats. (15:06) Jumping the shark. (20:00) Bike seat for men. (21:53) Adam goes down the beatboxing rabbit hole. (25:14) People who are obsessed with celebrities are less intelligent. (29:30) The guys react to Seed’s potential MASSIVE sale. (31:01) The activist movement. (35:03) Human nature worships idols. (42:34) Fathers who follow a religious practice vs. mothers. (44:19) Shout out to CoachGLP1.com. (54:41) #Quah question #1 - Would it ever make sense to change your daily caloric intake based on what workouts you do on certain days? (55:53) #Quah question #2 - Can you discuss the balance of deadlifting to get benefits without “looking like you deadlift.”? I feel like a deadlift physique is not the most desirable. (1:01:25) #Quah question #3 - What are the negative effects of artificial sweeteners? (1:06:25) #Quah question #4 - At what age do you all feel like you became a “man,” and what defined that moment for you? (1:12:34) Related Links/Products Mentioned Visit PRx Performance for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! ** No Code for 5% discount that gets automatically applied in checkout!!! ** Visit Seed for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code 25MINDPUMP at checkout for 25% off your first month’s supply of Seed’s DS-01® Daily Synbiotic** July Promotion: MAPS Split | Sexy Athlete Bundle 50% off! Code JULY50 at checkout Mind Pump Apperal 4th of July sale is live! Get 25% off Freedom tee, Rebellion tee, and Freedom flag. Our equipment and other apparel will be 20% off.  This includes Tees, the Love Yourself Collection, Socks, Headbands, and Kitchen items. Mind Pump #1932: Lifting Heavy Vs. Lifting Light Mind Pump #1872: Eight Benefits Of Lifting With Light Weight Mind Pump Rentals – Utah Property People Are Just Now Discovering The Fat-Tailed Sheep Harvard Scientists Say There May Be an Unknown, Technologically Advanced Civilization Hiding on Earth People who are obsessed with celebrities may be less intelligent, study suggests Probiotics maker Seed Health explores $1 billion sale, sources say | Reuters The US city run by Muslim Americans - BBC Mind Pump #1997: Zuby Goes Off On Woke Culture, Freedom, Abortion & Other Third Rail Topics A father's faith: How modern dads impact their children's religious views Interested in small group GLP-1 coaching with the Mind Pump Team? Get on the wait list… Visit State & Liberty for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! ** Discount is now automatically applied at checkout 15% off your first order! ** Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Robert Reed (@robreednutrition) Instagram Caitlin Clark (@caitlinclark22) Instagram ZUBY (@ZubyMusic) Twitter/X Jordan Peterson (@jordan.b.peterson) Instagram Craig Capurso (@craigcapurso) Instagram Layne Norton, Ph.D. (@biolayne) Instagram

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump with your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. You just found the most downloaded fitness, health, and entertainment podcast. This is mind pump. In today's episode, we answered listeners questions. We actually picked questions on Instagram to answer on this episode, but this was after an intro portion. Today's intro was 53 minutes long. That's where we talk about fun stuff. Current events, fitness, family life, and much more.

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mind pump. Get 25% off your first month's order of Seeds Daily Symbiotic. Also the July special is Maps Split half off and the Sexy Athlete Bundle of Programs also half off. If you're interested go to mapsfitnessproducts.com and then use the code July 50 for that discount. Alright here comes the show. Alright for today's workout do this. Try to make the weight feel as heavy as possible All right, what does that look like take your normal weight that you do for 10 reps Lower the weight by 10 to 20 percent now try to make it 10 reps, but make it feel difficult How do you do that slow down squeeze? The goal is to make the lighter weight feel heavy

This is a great practice helps you connect to the target muscles, helps you activate more muscle fibers, and because the weight is lighter, your form and technique tend to be better and the risk of injury tends to be lower. Now you don't want to always work out this way, but this is a great way to add novelty to your workout. Again, make the weight feel as heavy as possible for a more effective workout. I call this the method acting method. It's a method acting. Just pretend you're me.

So heavy. Hey, there's a skill to this. There is. A legit skill to this. And in fact, I used to try and teach all of my clients this and it didn't matter what their goal was, at some time or period of our training program, I would interrupt a day just like this. I would just say, okay, today we're going to do something a little

bit different. And we're going to do all these movements you're familiar with, but this is the desired outcome. We're going to go really light, but I want you to make it feel heavy. And then I'd have to explain, and then I'd demo what that looks like. And then all the time when I'd be teaching them, they'd be like, really, is this? And then the next day they would feel it and be like, oh my God. It's a great skill, especially as you become more advanced. Because as you get more advanced,

working out with heavier and heavier weight, the reward to risk ratio starts to get skewed, and it doesn't really make as much sense. Not early on, getting stronger is great. Later on, you know, adding another 10 pounds to your already heavy squat or press or whatever, the risk starts to go up higher than the reward. And so then you're like, okay, well, what do I do? Well, you make the weight that you're lifting feel heavier.

Today I worked out with Rob. He's one of our employees. Um, love the guy, love the kid. So I invited him to work out with me this morning and we did just the traditional body part split type workout. And I did this in the workout and he would go up to the bar or the machine that we were using and I could see he'd want to take weight off thinking I was going heavy. I'm like, no, bro, it's light.

Try it out, try it out. And then he would do it and he was lifting the same weight. And literally my goal is like, can I make, I know I could add another 50 pounds to the bar, but what if I use this weight and make it feel just as heavy and you can get really great results this way, especially when you're advanced.

By the way, this is what bodybuilders do very well. This is why you get so many comments from inexperienced people or people who don't understand how bodybuilders train. I was like this as a kid, I'd see these bodybuilders work out and I remember being like,

I can't, why are they using, you know, such lightweight, what are they, wheat? Such big muscles for tiny weights. No, it's cause they knew how to make, you know. I used it as a strategy to get clients. When I was in some of the best shape ever, I'd be in some cutoff sleeve or tank top working out, all shredded and pumped up.

That is so you, to flip it on its head. I would, and then I would flip it on. I would. And then I would go over where somebody's training and intentionally choose like an exercise like them and do half the weight they're doing. And you could just, it always strike up a conversation like, I don't understand. How did you get like that? And you're lifting half the weight I'm lifting. And then I'd get an opportunity to explain it and book a free

assessment or appointment. Then I use that for a strategy. You know, getting clients all day and for me, just like a long time to get there. Shut up. I have no experience doing this. Almost there. Listen, I gotta tell the audience we will fail. We used to, we don't do this anymore, but we would film ourselves demoing exercises. So this is video. This is for video purposes. This is true. How to do a proper squat,

which all you need to do is have a bar on my back and just to go load it. Like he's doing a workout. I'm like, bro, you're trying to show technique. I mean, so yeah, I mean, but I used to do like a similar thing. I would go to these like bodybuilder gyms and I would do like mobility, like in front of everybody and like not give a fuck. That was my thing. Yeah. My version, but yeah, the, the lightweight thing was a little like the ego was, was just, I, you know, I, here's what I do. Cause I, so I'm like in the middle, right? I could definitely train like a bodybuilder,

but then there's that ego side of me that definitely likes to lift heavy. And so the hardest thing for me to do with this is with certain lifts. Like if I'm gonna squat or deadlift or overhead press, it's really hard, especially squat and deadlift, and particularly deadlift, it's really hard for me to go light on deadlift and make it feel heavier with light weight because I have that attachment to that exercise.

But I'll tell you what, when you've been doing this for a long time, I feel like you should train like this more often than not. I don't just feel like this. I strongly believe it. It's so much more beneficial and you get so much more out of it and the longevity in terms of your joint health and pain. And you really have to consider that. It's like, like I said, like I'm here now because it was like forced, like I feel, I'm feeling all of the, you know, the

tightness and the pain and the things that are involved with like pushing yourself, uh, constantly. So yeah, to, to be more reasonable about it, it makes a huge difference. It's extremely valuable. You know, it reminds me, um, for people that have played golf before, uh, when you first start many

times, uh, they will tell you to do like this half swing. And you know, you don't even pull it all the way back. And it's, and it, and I, and it's so frustrating cause you're like, you don't even look like you're playing the right way. Cause you, everybody else is doing a full swing and then you're just doing this little half swing. But the amount, the results you get from this little half swing with great technique and form, as far as how far and accurate the ball is versus when you try and cock back and hit it it's like night and day

difference and so but again back to the ego you like it's obvious if you see a guy going down the course and he's half swinging every shot you're like oh there's a rookie he doesn't know but it's so more effective for learning proper technique before you build on the full swing. It's kind of similar in that sense of like it's such a good thing to do especially early on in your lifting career because when you slow way down like that it makes you hyper present of the technique and where you're feeling it and control of the weight and if you can master that then when you go to really apply force and speed and really heavy load, you have good connection

and good form and technique. Yeah, so it looks like this, right? When you first get started, you should slow down and perfect your technique and form. Then when you feel confident with your technique and form, then the goal should be to get stronger. And this will last for at least two to three years where you're just trying to get stronger.

And you'll get great dividends. You'll get great results just from doing so. But after right around that period, then you need to go back to making the weight feel as heavy as possible because at some point, uh, you know, adding 10 pounds or even 20 pounds of the bar, isn't worth the risk of injury because now you're playing with heavier weights. You know, if you're, if you're a 200 pound man and you're squatting with 350 pounds, adding 50 pounds to the bar, you would definitely see some results, but adding 50 pounds to

the bar at 350 comes with some serious risks. Like if your technique is off a little bit at 400 pounds, you're gonna hurt yourself. Now on the flip side, that person squatting 350, now they've gotten pretty strong. They've been lifting for a while. That's a good squat for a 200 pound man, you know, natural, whatever. Now they could go, you know what? I'm gonna go down to 300 pounds or even 225 and I'm gonna make it feel as heavy as possible and squeeze and stretch and tighten things up and slow the rep down and do it in such a fashion to where it feels more difficult. You'll get better results and the risk of injury has dropped.

Not only has it not gone up, but it's actually lowered. And you could do this for the rest of your life. That's why it's such an important way to train or an important way to consider training. Now, most people, a lot of people, when they first start working out, especially guys, they don't do this at all. They're all they want to do is lift as much weight as possible by any means necessary. And the form is really just kind of a loose guideline. That's how I treated it as a kid was like, okay,

that's the way a bench press is supposed to look. Uh, so I'll kind of make it look that way, even if my butt comes off the bench and things look weird. Um, but it's still, you know, within the realm of bench press, no, no, no, like it's not the, just like the golf analogy that Adam gave. Really good technique will give you twice as many results as bad technique and will reduce your risk of injury by 90 something

percent. So it just makes no sense to go in there sloppy. It makes no sense at all. So making something feel heavier, such a great thing to practice. Yeah. You know, speaking of, of lifting weights, I overheard you, Justin, on the phone the other

day, talking to our partners at PRX. Are you changing our equipment? What's going on? Yeah, I'm switching out. Uh, so we're kind of re facing our entire studio gym and, uh, making it. So, um, it's all branded. And so I'm just basically switching out some of the posts for our squat racks. And so everything's going to be like super color coordinated. We're getting new plates. We're getting new racks to hang up certain items on the wall. So everything is, it's, I'm actually really excited to see the final outcome for this and we'll be able to

shoot and create more content in here with kind of that displayed. But yeah, the PRX, they've made different types of squat racks too. So I actually looked into that, like the ones that actually fold in as opposed to like go up. Oh, what do you mean? So like, to make a full, it makes a full, um, what's it, what do you call that? Like a squat cage. Yeah. It's the full cage. Oh. So they now have ones that actually- So instead of the one where the safety's- Yeah, they always have the ones that fold down. Now it's like it opens up and comes out

and so it makes it into- Full cage. It makes a full cage. Now are the safeties hard bars or the like, I don't know what they're called, like the fabric type safeties? Oh yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, I'm not too sure about that. I think it's the bars. It's the bars. I don't know why I know what you're talking about. Yeah. Um, yeah. I'm not too sure about that.

I think it's the bars. It's the bars. I don't know why I can't picture that right now. Have you guys ever- I can picture the whole new, there's a new name. And you guys know why some people prefer the cage. I can guess. No, no, no.

Why they would prefer the safeties that are not the hard bar safety. Oh right. So kind of the canvas. Yeah. They're like a canvas strap or something. I would imagine because it's, has a little bit of give versus the hard. Maybe because when you drop it, it doesn't make so much noise.

That's what I would think. Yeah. Makes less noise. Yeah. Less noise. It's and it's also not as abrupt, right? You have a flat hard surface is going to where it's like if it's a like a canvas material, it's going to absorb a little bit of that.

Probably. I would imagine better for gyms where people are like, are bailing quite a bit. I mean, I always liked those ones better. I always liked the strap. Do you? Oh yeah. You know what, so I did.

Because I actually, I always, you know, I've always trained by myself, and when I was really pushing the weight during competition time and stuff like that, I would bail a lot. See, I prefer the hard bars, because I like to do bottom position squats and stuff like that. I would bail a lot. See, I prefer the hard bars because I like to do bottom position squats and stuff like that.

And I don't like, and I also feel like the bar will kind of roll, you know, because it comes at an angle. But I can see the value. So it is a bar, it is a bar. And it's called profile folding full cage. Wow. Isn't that cool? How much does it come off the wall when it's folded in,

Doug, does it say? All the other ones, just like the other ones. It folds in. How much? Looks come off the wall when it's folded in Doug? Does it say all the other roads just like the other ones? It folds in how much yes like eight inches Wow Dude, if for people don't know, you know people don't know like if you have a home gym and you really want to have a decent home gym The squat cages first of all from PRX are the most sturdy squat pages of a robust. Yeah, like most dirty I don't okay. I don't know why anybody of course if this is gonna sound biased because we work with them in partnership or the most sturdy squat cages of the room. Super robust, yeah. Like most sturdy, okay? I don't know why anybody, of course, this is gonna sound biased

because we work with them in partnership, but seriously, I don't know why you would even consider buying another brand, especially if they don't have a fold away like this, because having the extra space, even if you decide you're not gonna park your cars in there, you could. You could. You don't have the option. Yeah, exactly, you definitely don't have the option

if you build like this kind of old school cage where, look at that dude. It folds in so nice. Yeah. And it's so sturdy when it comes out. Cause that was my fear when we first started working with them was it's more sturdy, more sturdy to the wall. You get the extra support or like legs of the wall. And then you get the, it's well, and now they have the fold out bench too, which I think they've improved on it. Since the first model, but that actually does

Incline so you can actually you know incorporate that was like one of those things that was like well, it'd be nice So I would always end up buying another bench But now it's like you can actually have it all set up so it folds out Yeah, our Utah house has the new one. Yeah, and I like I like it a lot. Oh, really? Oh, yeah, it's a wide bench too, which I like Oh, yeah. It's a wide bench too, which I like. Oh, yeah, it does. That's right. Cause some of the, some of the benches that you see are like these real narrow things. Is that place still

available for people, for fans and stuff who want to go, or is it all booked out? Depends on the, yeah, it depends on when it's open. This is considered like this this week. Oh, you are? Yeah, I'm going to find our people still. Do we have a site that can still go to? Are we still about to promote that? Yeah. What does it do? MimePumpParkCity.com That's it? Yeah.

Okay. Okay, I gotta bring, I gotta, okay. Can I bring up the goats, Justin? Is it okay? Why are you asking me? Because you're the one that showed me the first time. So, like I'm the freak. Listen, listen to me.

Hey man. This thing that you're into, Justin, can I bring it up? Listen, it's one of the most, first of all, last night, so Justin told me about this, I don't remember where we were, and he goes, bro, he goes, they have have these like I don't know what you would call them Like I don't know if they're shows or whatever. Here's what I call it. Well this class of goats It's like the Kim Kardashian's. Okay. Okay. So he's telling me he's like dude

he goes they have these goats and they're like showing them and they have like Like big butts and I'm like what and he goes, you know, you let your imagination run wild. I'm like, no way. Well, it's a viral. Listen, there's a viral video I showed you guys on X of, and it looks like these dudes are presenting their goats. The goats are all reversed. You know, you see their butts.

I didn't know goats could look like that. Do they breed them that way? They have to. Because I've never seen a goat. Or it's a certain breed of them, right? It's not like. They have like big old like butt cheeks and- Bro.

It's gross. It's like really disturbing. I was laughing 10 minutes straight last night. Dude, they don't even have like tails anymore. Did either one of you look into it? Like what is it all about? What kind of a goat is that? It's a breed of sheep, right?

What is the sheep called? I mean, it's- They're okay, there's- What's a jar of- This goat is thicker than a jar of sheep, right? What is the sheep called? I mean, it's... Okay, there's... What's a jar of... This goat is thicker than a jar of cold peanut butter. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha that people buy on the internet. Yeah. But then they just like slapped it on the back of this goat, sheep, whatever. Now, you guys were sharing this and cracking up. But did anybody like look into it? It's like, you obviously breed them to look like that.

And there's, you know, we do that with dogs. Right. So and if you were somebody who dogs have big old. So there's some kind of economy here, right? Like there's some kind of incentive. Exactly. Are they eating it? You obviously can't know why.

If somebody, you know, 1, thousand years ago saw a French bulldog, they think that's so weird and ridiculous that you bred this. Yeah, you bred this dog to be this mini little smash face. And we love it and we buy it. So what is it about this? There's got to be some corny farmers. Is that a real? Thank you.

It's not really a question. I'll spell it out. I feel like that's what it's for, dude. Unless they're eating. They want to get down with these goats. Maybe Doug, you could look up why the name of these type of sheep I'll spell it out. I feel like that's what it's for, dude. Unless they're eating. They wanna get down with these goats. Maybe Doug, you could look up why, the name of these type of sheep

and then why do they bred to have big, big giggly butts. Yeah, there's goats and sheep with large back ends. What's the difference between a goat and a sheep? Well, one's a goat, one's a sheep. They're two different animals. All right. One of them, we use their hair, right?

Yeah, and then we use their milk. I don't know anything. I don't know anything. So I wanna know why they're with the official. So I did see something about the sheep. Let me find it. It's a fat deposit. So they're like camels.

They carry a deposit of fat in one place because they live in the desert. It's just like, OK. So they're the big butt sheep of Kashgar. Oh my god. It's just like, yeah, yeah, what other incentive, what other like, does it give them, do they get a bigger coat? And so there's more material and it almost looks like,

maybe it's shaved down after they use it, right? Shave the, the, I don't know. Maybe it's like a dog show where it's like, I mean, I have no idea. I'm just like, you know, you, you kind of groom them a certain way. So it like impresses the judges. And that's what we saw in that video. It was like, it was like they're shaved down I'm just like, you know, you kind of groom them a certain way so it like impresses the judges. And that's what we saw in that video. It was like, it was like they're shaved down and it's like, and they were all reversed and they were like presenting goats booties. It was uncomfortable. It's so it's a viral video. I was dying laughing, bro.

Listen to me. I saw this last night and my wife heard me. What are you laughing at over there? And I was like, I don't want to show you What I'm laughing at most this is an example of you and Justin's humor and how it aligns sometimes like so perfectly Oh, do you listen there sir? We all share funny stuff with each other all time And then there's certain things that like no just you guys will laugh for like five hours straight over because it's just hit Yeah, they hit a nerve that is so like it's like so In like there's there literally, you cannot justify it.

You know, like they're auctioning off these goats and you know what they're going to do with these animals. They come on. Dude, sheep with big butts may have a rare genetic mutation that's expressed in their loins and bottom causing them to bulk up in the rear. This trait could be beneficial because it may allow the sheep to convert food into muscle, almost one third more efficiently than the sheep.

These sheep are sometimes called Aphrodite calypgos, which is Greek for beautiful buttocks. That's funny. I think they're highlighting, yeah. That's a little, that's a little, that's pretty revealing. All right. So, uh Alright since we're

talking about Justin and Sal topics dude I read this is a real article you ready for this Adam? Thank you for outing me with that. No problem. I'm gonna make a purchase. You can buy one of these? Listen to this this is the title of this article Harvard social scientists lay out the case is the title of this article. Harvard social scientists lay out the case

for the existence of crypto terrestrials such as lizard people. Wait, wait, say that again. Okay, Harvard social scientists lay out the case for the existence. Of Harvard social scientists. Of crypto terrestrials such as lizard people. The Pentagon regards UAP as a source of anomalous

detections of one or more domain. They're not attributable to known actors and that demonstrate behaviors that are not readily understood by sensors or observers. So, so they're talking about UFOs and stuff like that. And they're also saying that academics are entertaining the possibility that flying saucers may not be the work of little green men from Mars, but rather by crypto terrestrials, lizard people, stranded

aliens, fairies, advanced cave dwellers, or residents of the dark side of the moon. You guys are jumping the shark right now. Bro, listen to me right now. This episode, we will see how it ages. Yes we will. Wow. Wow. So they were talking about, they're talking about this right now.

Are they preparing us for some weird shit? Yeah. Well, I mean, it's the, I don't know. You know how that's how I feel about this stuff. Pressing every button right now. Like it's just chaos, you know? Like that's how I look at it. Why not add this in there?

Listen to what one Harvard academic said. Across cultures or legends, for instance of atheromoporphic, the reptilian races, such as the Nagas, a semi-divine species of half human, half serpent beings, thought to reside in Patala, venerated in Hinduism and Buddhism. Moreover, paleontologists have speculated whether such creatures could possibly have evolved from known zoological origins. Okay. What are you thinking?

I didn't call, this is not on my bingo card. I mean it's too much. It's too much for me. It's a little bit. It's a little much. I don't know. I'm gonna go back to the butts. So did you guys know there's like a new bike seat like that they've invented that I was like this weirdly makes a lot of sense. What is it? So instead of it just being a bike seat, you know how it's like kind of angled and, and, and how the triangle shape. Yeah. Yeah. It always uncomfortable for dudes and their, yeah, their bunch. Thank you. Um, well, actually they, they've made it so that's two pieces independent. So as one leans down, the other one comes up. Oh, interesting.

I'm like, the physics of it makes sense. But then, obviously, I've never tried it. But then what I was thinking about was what happens if it pinches? Oh, shit. That's right. Yikes. That's not good.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, it made a lot of sense. And then I thought about that. And I was like, what if you're like, have you seen one? Or you just read an article? Let me see it. Yeah, I did see one. Let me see a picture of it. it and I thought about that and I was like what if you're like have you seen one or you're sure to read an article let me see it yeah I did see one let's see a picture of it and it because it does make sense oh that one right there on the left the first one see how it opens up on the that one makes

a lot of sense with the pinching part well no it won't pinch like that look at yeah I think I think I might not yeah it might not do that and I'm sure they've did you guys ever when you had to be innovative you know sure be baby you know sure during the development of it definitely went down like that right oh no this one got Bob you ever did you ever ever happening when you were a kid where you're on your bike going fast and you hit your brakes and you've come off your seat and land on the bar yeah you know it's funny about you say about that I've always wondered why are women's bikes the one with the gap and why are men's the high one? Yeah. It makes no sense, right? You would think it would be the

opposite. You would think a man's bike would have the... I can tell you why. It's because so the girl doesn't have to lift her leg up high and potentially be indecent put her hand her side her leg on the other side of the bike. Is that is that the origin of it? That's what I'm guessing. That's a pretty good guess. Yeah, that's what I'm guessing. That's a pretty good guess. Yeah, that's the same reason why they're supposed

to ride side saddle, right, the whole thing. Right, right, that's why I think it's a pretty good guess. Because it's indecent to lift your leg up and. Maybe look that up, that's an interesting, that's an interesting. Isn't it stronger though for the bar to go straight? It is, right? Makes the frame stronger.

Like you don't see no racing bar bikes where the bar goes down. Actually, I believe they do. Really? Yeah. BMX bikes are angled. Yeah. They go down. Yeah. But that's for tricks though. I don't think that's for stability. Like racing bikes all have a straight bar.

I think that's so you could do weird things on it. Women's bikes are often slanted top bar, also known as the top two for ergonomic reasons. Oh, the lower top bar accommodates women's shorter toes, those are longer legs, allowing more comfortable and efficient riding position. Oh, ease of mounting. There it is. That makes no sense.

If they are longer, there it is. The slanted bar makes it easier to mount the bike, especially for women who were previously accustomed to wearing dresses while they started riding. Yeah. That's what, that's what I, that's what was making the dress was a factor. So why not make the guy's bike the same way then? Like what are, why? I think it's a stronger frame.

If it's straight. I think that would, I mean, from what I understand about bike frames, which isn't anything, I'm guessing right now, no, that's handlebars. Handlebars. We're not, we're not doing handlebars. Oh, there you go. Men's bikes have extra bar because when they were heavier, expected to ride more vigorously. Yeah. See it's handlebars. Handlebars. We're not doing handlebars. Oh, there you go. Men's bikes have extra bar because when they're heavy and expected to ride more vigorously. Yeah, see?

It's more stability. Yeah. It's making it more stable. Man, I'm two for two on my hands. Hey, boom. Bingo, bingo. I want to hear what you have on beatboxing. I saw you and Adam crazy showing videos.

Adam, I opened this up for us. So I don't know what I was watching, you know, and it got recommended to me I have no idea how and I clicked on this like either was a real or was a YouTube short thing and this guy was beatboxing and it was so crazy good that all the comments were like, oh AI fake Well, this and I'm like, is it fake? And so then I clicked on the guy's name and then I'm like, let me see if he has a YouTube channel. And then I went to the YouTube channel and I saw that, oh my God, this guy competes, you know, he's one of the champions in the world in Russia or Japan,

where this is really popular. And then I went down this rabbit hole, like there is a huge genre of people that follow these people and big competitions that happen. And so I sort of watched all of them, like fascinated with where that has gone. Like I remember beatbox as a kid and it was pretty basic. Pretty basic. You heard it in some really old school rap songs. Yeah. And then you'd see it in movies like with Michael Winslow,

like Police Academy, or he's making all these crazy noises. That wasn't necessarily, exactly a police academy or crazy noises. Exactly. Bobby McFerrin, remember Bobby McFerrin and stuff like that. So anyway, like this kind of brought it up and I was, I just wanted to show my kids and cause I thought, you know, I wonder if they're, you know, you know, aware of this or even no. And so it was like the mad twins.

I think this is the new wave kind of beatboxer guys, right? And they make like a lot of electronic kind of noises and sounds with all this. And so we were kind of watching this, and I was showing it to Everett. And we were like trying to emulate it, and like really irritating Courtney and everybody else, like all night we were just doing like, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do., making all these noises and I'm putting

him to sleep and then these, we started going, um, you know, kind of drifting off and, and, um, uh, you know, I was kind of fake snoring and he was kind of fake snoring and he's like, he's like, I wonder how beat boxers, you know, if they're sleeping and snoring and how that sounds, it's like, we start snoring and like, like in between, I was like, that'd be like the most ridiculous thing ever. You know, social media has made life of a life of a mother and wife to a household of boys. You want to say my best friend has ruined that joke all night. Yeah. We couldn't help it. Yeah. It's a, I, you know, social media has made it so that, like this is like, what a strange skill, right?

How many people make a lot of money in the past, beatboxing? Very, very little. But now with social media, I mean, you guys are showing me, these guys have crazy amounts of followers. Oh yeah, yeah. They're super talented. I always wonder about something like that, so unique,

like would it have ever gotten the traction? Had it not been for how, how connected we can be on social media? Like, yeah, you can find all these interests. What else would they do? Right? They would have to get on a song or someone's music to some, otherwise how would they even get popular? It would just be a weird kid.

You know what I mean? Look what I can do. It's like a street performer, you know? Some of the time you'd ever see him, it would be out there, like throw him a tip or something. It also makes me wonder too, like, when I run into something like that, it's like, dude, this has probably been around for a long time, and there's of course millions of people

paying attention to it, and like, I had no clue. It's like, how many more things are out there that have like millions of people following you and paying attention to you that are are like really and I had no idea We brought this up on a previous episode. There's there's competitions where people ride Heart what they call hobby horses. Yeah, I'll be horsey. They jump. Oh, no, I don't remember Okay, they they got lots of followers. It's like a thing Yeah, actually, you know no way that would have existed without the without social media. There's no way

In fact, I saw video video. There's Rubik's cube competition. There was a video that went viral of this girl and it's a stupid, fake horses. It's a stick and this girl jumped. I mean, she did a good jump and everyone's like, wow, I'm impressed by how high she jumped. What's going on here, dude? How far society's come.

We're so, flavors for everybody. We're so spoiled that we invent, you we invent ways to compete and celebrate ourselves. You know what I mean? Did I bring that study up, Doug? The one that's written up there? The people who are- Did you guys know that? They did a study on people who are obsessed with celebrities or less intelligent. Yeah.

Yeah, I could've guessed that. I know. It feels like kind of like a here's your sign, obvious, readers. But I thought, obviously there's some sort of other correlation, right? I'm sure you can be brilliant and into celebrities, but there's probably some- Obsessed with celebrities though?

I don't know. Like what, it's not a direct connection to IQ, but we've been able to correlate that, but what does that probably say? Like you're so enthralled with other people's lives, you're not focusing on your own life and not bettering yourself because you're obsessed with somebody else.

Is that, that would be the correlation I would think that would cause a lower IQ, right? Would you think something like that? I mean, what would cause that? What would cause just because you're obsessed with a celebrity to be dumber? Um, I think so higher intelligence associated with some stuff that's not good either, but I think maybe with lower intelligence, you're just, you're more likely to, they're just mirroring maybe the celebrities behavior.

I don't know. Yeah. And you're, you're, you're affected by it somehow. And you're just like, I want to be like that person kind of, you know, I'm really paying attention. Maybe, but why does that might be more likely to gossip? Why does that make you dumb? Or is it the other way around?

Like if you're dumb, people are more likely. No, no, it won't make you. Yeah. I think if, like, if you just all of a sudden become obsessed, your I don't know. Why does that make you dumb? Or is it the other way around? If you're dumb. Just dumb people are more likely to. No, no, it won't make you dumb. Like if you just all of a sudden become obsessed, your IQ doesn't drop. Right, right. Although I mean, someone can make the argument. I don't know. So.

Did you find something on it, Doug? That's reporting why? Yeah, I'm looking it up. I don't think there's a, they're gonna have a reason. I don't think they have a good reason. But hey, by the way, so this is, so our partner, Seed, you guys saw this, right? They're, so Seed is, we say, we call them the world's best probiotic, because they are,

they have the world's leading researchers, they're amazing, we've been working, how long have you been working with Seed now? Four years? Couple years, that was Taylor days. Maybe five years, huh? Wow, that's a long time. Okay, so Seed is exploring, ready for this,

one billion dollar sale. Woo! this, $1 billion sale. Woo! A billion dollar sale. Why? Because those always sting for me. Yeah. Oh yeah, I guess we did. Yeah, I mean we're, yeah, we're up to 12 or 13 companies

that we have a vested interest in financially and part of what triggered that was when we were doing all these partner deals, a lot of these companies were still taking money and trying to scale and grow. And I remember thinking to myself like, why, if we don't necessarily need that part of the business and we waited as long as we did to do it anyways, why take revenue? Why don't we take shares if we already believe in the company and we advertise? Well, Seed would have been a no brainer. Why take revenue? Why don't we take shares?

If we already believe in the company and we advertise. Well, Seed would have been a no brainer. What? Besides now. Seed, Viori, and Magic Spoon are all three brands of ours that we've been working with for a very long time. But at the time, that didn't dawn on me. It just didn't cross my mind as a smart strategy.

Here's how big this is, by the way. Here's how big this is, by the way. A previous big purchase of a ProBotic was 425, 425 million. So a billion dollars is a big deal. By the way, they have, they just released a new, uh, probiotic, uh, it's called a vaginal symbiotic. This is to promote the health of the vaginal microbiome, which this is a growing market. It w we have microbiomes on our skin, uh, you know, our hair, um, of course in your gut. And for women, the microbiome of the vagina can contribute or can help with reductions in

infections, UTIs, and just overall hormonal health even. So they've actually found beneficial bacteria in a probiotic for women. Interesting. Yes, and they just launched it. When did they launch it? They just recently, huh? Yeah, no, it's out right now. It's a DSL1.

Is it the same thing as the pill? Yep. Interesting. Yep, yep. Wow. I mean, they're crushing. They're absolutely crushing. So they're expected to generate around $200 million

in revenue in 2024, which is up from the previous year of 140 and they've just grown every year. Wow. Isn't that great? So that huge evaluation they must anticipate there's other like advancements in their technology that nobody can match them. So they have a patented capsule that releases the bacteria, which is alive, it's alive, you don't need to refrigerate it, it releases it where it's supposed to, it doesn't get destroyed by the gut. By the way. Oh no, it is inserted, look at that.

It is inserted. So you actually insert it, the vaginal one, insert it. Oh, okay. I think Dad looked it up. So people don't try and take that in their mouth. Where'd it go, Sal? You just get some bacteria. I was just gonna take it to see what happened.

They're like, this looks really interesting for me to take this in my mouth. What are the benefits of that? Uh, with, with the, with the vaginal one, let me see. So it has a lactobacillus crispatus in it. Okay. Um, so it helps with what? Disregulation imbalances. Yeah. Again. Okay. Okay. Hmm. Well, there you go. I don't have answers for you.

But it's all on their website. Your point about the valuation, that's typically, so if a company's trending at 200 million, the valuation of a billion is pretty on par, right? So it's normally 5X, 5X, what a, yeah, that's what you can expect. Now, at one point- Plus they have a lot of subscription. Yeah, that's part of how it is.

You need to have trackable $200 million. Repeatable income. That's been showing that growth for them to get that kind of evaluation like that. I mean, we're long gone, I think, are the days where with you, I mean some companies were getting 10, 15 times, you know that?

Well yeah, during the free money. Just the last five, six years was like that. Even the COVID years. I gotta tell you guys about this, I read this article that, boy the was like that. I know. Yeah, the COVID years. Uh huh. Dude, I got to tell you guys about this. I read this article that, boy, the irony in it. So there's a town in Michigan called Hamtramck. It's kind of an interesting spelling. Anyway, I read this and I confirmed it and I,

you know, I hope I'm right because I looked this up in a few articles, but they elected, so this town elected a Islamic mayor, Muslim mayor, and everybody was celebrating the diversity. I love her. Especially the, you know, of course the left, the progressives, oh my God, we're so great,

we have this diverse mayor who's Islamic, we're so proud, and then they quickly went and voted to ban the pride flag in the town. Right afterwards. Backfire. You didn't see that coming? I know, I know. I don't understand.

There's this weird disconnect there. I don't get it. I don't get that. Were there, were... We saw this too, the Palestine movement and then the pride parade. Yeah. And that kind of.

Was that San Francisco? Didn't work. Yeah, yeah. Wasn't that San Francisco where they ran into each other? Have you seen the signs some people are holding as queers for Palestine? Have you seen that? Yeah. Do you not know what they would do to you? I think they don't. No, like they're not very clear. No, they'll kill you. Yeah. So I read this article and I'm like, Oh my God.

You know, Sal, didn't you, didn't you share an article or something that was written on like the, the generation now, like it's like a popular thing. I didn't even, I think you shared an article or I read an article about, like it's like a thing now to say like I'm an activist. Like so there's like this movement in the last decade and a half of like people like, you know, wanting to-

It's a virtue signal now. Yeah, like wanting just to be an activist. And then you just, you become an activist for a cause and you don't even fully understand what you're an activist for. That's an example of that, in my opinion. It's like, you have these young kids that are up and coming, and it's just like, what do you want to be when you grow up?

I want to be an activist. I'm going to find a cause. You know, there's a lot of evidence. Is it still, like, if you're a college kid, right, and you're a college, like, guy, like, are you still doing this with the motivation of, like, you know, like some girls Yeah, they're at this protest. Let's go. I want to show that I care I said you're probably more accurate to why it's grown as much as it's grown because some guys started getting legos

Oh, man, you know Activist parties over a paint a little sign, you know you show up. Yeah, it's cool We just go out there we chant for a while then we all hang out do some drugs and we have sex It's incredible. we should come. Like the dudes that wear shirts, like I'm a feminist. Yeah, yeah. Look at me, I'm on your side. I know why you're doing that, bro.

Yeah. I think what happens with the kids, you're rebellious by nature. By nature, your nature, your nature's to be real. It's your supposed to, because you need to move out of the house, and you gotta go do things. And historically, big movements have been led by younger people so it's not necessarily a bad thing but I think

they're easily manipulated and and make no mistake there's a lot of evidence that foreign actors will use social media. Our own CIA does this in other countries we know this they do this. So don't think for a second other places aren't doing this to us in our social media where they're going in and sharing articles and trying to stir up issues or challenges. You're watching it in the NBA or the WNBA right now. It's so like blech to watch, dude. Yes, but the whole Caitlin Clarks thing.

It's like every news outlet is like every, like first of all, nobody was talking about the WNBA just a year ago. No. It's been, it's definitely all over the place now being talked about and it's because they've got Caitlin Clark as this, you know. I heard she brought attendance way up and views way up. Yeah.

That's how I read. Yeah, a ton, a ton. And they're using that though to race bait, to turn it into a black or white thing because there's like, there's definitely other girls that are as talented or arguably more talented in the sport, you know, that are higher average points better assists, whatever. But she's getting a lot of attention. Yeah, she's getting a ton of attention and she's caused a lot of, a lot of attention towards WAA, which if I was in the WAA, I think is a very positive thing because that means we probably will be making more money, more revenue coming in.

But instead, but here, and here's the thing too, is it just a few of these girls that just are catty or whatever like that, and then the media is playing into that more just to cause more controversy and more division? And it really feels like that to me, that a lot of the posts that are about her are intended to try and get this conversation around, oh, it's because she's white. Oh, it's cause they're black. It's like, God, when are we going to get over this black white, like debate back and forth, using that as a way to stir up controversy. Well, it makes money, you know, uh, think about,

but when are we all going to wake up? Like, when are we going to wake up to that? Like, until we're manipulated by it. You know know when Zuby was on our show, like the thing that I was so, one of the most fascinating things that he said that I had no realization of until he brought up on our show was how weird it was to him, who's traveled all over the world,

to come to America and hear the way people say that they're American. Nobody just says, oh, I'm American. I'm, you know, I'm a African American. Yeah, you know, I'm they're American. Nobody just says, Oh, I'm American. I'm, you know, I'm a, I'm an African American. Yeah. You know, I'm Asian American. I'm an Indian American. And he's like anywhere else in the country, if you're, if you're Australian, yeah, sorry, anywhere else in the world. If you're Australian, you're Australian. You're not black Australian. You're not Indian Australian. You were born in Australia. You're Australian. Like that's it. If you were born in China, China, everybody refers to himself in that country as that versus it dividing it up

by a race, a race. It's just so crazy. And we're a huge melting pot anyway. That's what we're the most tolerant and diverse in the world. That's why such a struggle is because diversity is hard. Yeah, statistically speaking, it's the best country to be a part of any minority group. Right. Yeah, we separate ourselves like that and we make news. We make so much news about that.

Because it's still an easy way to stir up controversy, gain attention, make money. First of all, for sports, right now, I don't know much about this, but okay, they're making a white black thing, but I think if you are one of the people that runs the WNBA, you love the controversy. Just like in baseball, when it was a steroid controversy, it was one of the most popular times ever.

You know, the UFC, you want the fighters who are gonna be the loudest and cause the most controversy. I mean, you think to a point, but here's the thing that's interesting about like Caitlin Clark. So she was offered by Ice Cubes League, like five million dollars to come play for him, which is significantly higher than he has a league. Yeah, he has like a like a three on three tournament league

that he started a long time ago. We're not a long time ago, but like over a decade ago now. Maybe a little things. It's called a big three, I think is what it's called, something like that. I mean, it's obviously not that popular. You didn't even know what it was about. But yeah, he was willing to, he saw the fame and attention Caitlin Clark was given.

He was like, we'll pay you $5 million. Knowing the WNBA was not gonna offer that, and they didn't offer that. And she still chose to go play in the competitive WNBA league, kudos to her. But I mean, if I'm her, and I'm getting so, if I'm like, the media is constantly challenging her, people are hating on her so much, and I taking less money there's only so long I put up

with that shit before I'm like I'm out deuces I'll do it take the money then I'll go take the money and go play in this three-on-three tournament for a few years so I mean I don't know that's a fine dance salad you're like that they got a play it's like okay yeah they love the controversy but okay you don't want it so much that you you cook the golden goose You know see cuz right now everybody is paying attention because of her right now And you want to be careful of how much you turn her off about the whole whole situation You just reminded me of this video. I watched it was so did I send it to you guys?

I don't think I sent it to you. There's a guy talking and he goes and he goes yeah, you know, you got people You know wearing funny costumes and it's basically showing like tribes in Peru or the Amazon as he's talking. Wearing funny face paint, cheering for whatever, worshiping this thing, this game or whatever he's doing this thing. And then he goes, and then he repeats it and then it shows American sport fans.

Yeah, yeah, of course. And it's like worshiping idols. Yeah. It was, that was the whole talk of it. I'm like, oh man, that hit me hard. Cause he said these things about people you don't identify with. You're like, yeah, that is silly is what you're thinking. And then he repeats it and he goes and it shows a bunch of football fans

painting themselves red, cheering for some team that really doesn't matter. Worshipping these idols, like instead of doing other things that are beneficial, whatever. And I was like, Oh my God, it's just human nature. Oh, it is tribal. I mean, this is where you also too have heard me say to you, tease you and stuff like that about that politics is sports for nerds. Think about all the things you just said. And that's how people are.

I mean, but I could argue that we have way more impact on your life. You know, a football team ain't going to pass a law. No, no, no. Yeah. But I can take away your, it doesn't matter. The way that are, you can argue however you want. I can go down the same rabbit hole of why sports are so important to our society. you know, a football team making a pass of law. No, no, no, yeah, but it doesn't matter. You can argue however you want. I can go down the same rabbit hole of why sports are so important to our society,

what it shows for our kids and grades, why it's so good about teaching them all kinds of lessons. Like there's a million things I can justify all that to also. Yeah, I've never seen a football. Okay, I see what you're saying. Yeah. You know what I mean, though. Like one has a major potential impact on my life.

The other one has a minor. I mean, I would argue that with you though. Does it really? Because I think behind closed doors, they've already made the decision. They're just putting it on as a- Yeah, I think it's throwing you in jail. Their laws can put us in war and stuff like that.

That's what I mean by that. But I hear what you're saying. The obsession with it, the worship of it, same thing. Yes. Same thing. Speaking of which, I read a crazy statistic that I didn't know what this number was. Stop me if I brought this up before.

But, so statistically speaking. Stop. I've heard this one before. My bad. No, listen to this. If a mother follows a religious practice versus if a father follows a specific religious Yeah. The percentage of the children that follow along is significantly different. So if a mother follows a religious practice, 17% of the time the family then will follow along. Yeah, I heard that. If a father follows it, 93% of the time. Now what's this?

What a huge difference. You know what's interesting about this, by the way, I don't know what it says in other religions, okay, but I know in Christianity, it specifically says that the husband or the father is the spiritual leader. It's supposed to be the spiritual leader. And the data follows that, which I find is very, very interesting. How do they count families where the parents

are joint there? Oh, I didn't say it. I know, so what category would that fall on? Or they they only count. No what it means it what they're doing is if a couple gets married and the father's following religion how what percentage of the family follows versus if they get married and the mother follows. So it's not if they both follow the religion. Right so they only tracked if one did it. Yes isn't that crazy? That's a that's a big difference between the two.

I thought that was interesting, and I think as a father, if this is important to you, if it's not important to you, then you don't have to listen to this part. But if you think that there's value to this, that's a big responsibility. It means if you want your children to follow along, and you believe that there's value

in what they'll learn from this, you have to do it. If you want your kids to follow. Yeah, this would be a fun conversation to have with someone like a Jordan Peterson. Totally. To talk about even the psychology of which carries more repercussions, daddy issues or mommy issues.

Oh, I don't know. So think about that. If that's true about what you're saying, is like, let's say one parent is gonna be fucked up in the marriage. Oh, good question. Right? One parent's going to be fucked up. Which one's more likely to fuck up the kids? That's right. Who's so because, and I would assume based off of that,

that which is why you hear more about daddy issues than you do mommy issues is it's so more important that the dad has his shit together than it does the mother in this situation. I don't know if I agree with that. I think I'm not saying that I'm, I don't even say I'm agreeing. I'm just, I'm making that as a speculation right that like so the reason why I think that we hear more about daddy issues is because there are more daddy issues because the odds that a father is Absent is significantly higher than the odds of a mother's absence. So if a child is gonna be like, yeah There's definitely way dad. Yeah, dad's probably fucked up way more, right? That's what I'm saying. Although, Skate, so I have a friend. But I'm sure.

I have to, well, hopefully they put this meme up, but it's like an appropriate meme I just saw. It was kind of funny, because he had like two options, they had this like road path for like two options, this guy's like standing there, and there's Jordan Peterson, and there's Andrew Tate, and Andrew Tate was all the mommy issues, and Jordan Peterson all the daddy issues.

Oh, really? I thought that was pretty funny. Wow that was pretty fun just as a joke yeah but it was kind of like nailed it you know yeah yeah that's that is interesting yeah I know I I have I have one friend up top my head that I can think of that because it's not common where you hear about a kid who the mom took off yeah where the mom really was the the degenerate or took off and went and um, that he was that situation. His dad was the kind of the rock, the stable one of the family and so with that and he did like you wouldn't guess he had any child issues, although like he had a very traumatic issue with his mom. Mom was alcoholic and and they had a really

terrible relationship with that. But man, he turned out to be a brilliant, successful, smart, good, balanced kid. And he's, I mean, he told me too that he obviously had to let go and work on a lot of things that he went through with his mom and stuff like that. But you see someone who has some major daddy issues and that tends to really fuck up a lot of people. Do you want to know what's a shitty statistic?

And I say it's shitty because, it's all shitty, any direction you go with this, but also because I'm sure someone listening is going to hate this stat and be like F off. But I'm just repeating what I've seen, but statistically speaking, in many cases, it's better for a child to have a shitty present father than to have no one present. So they show this with data, like, oh, you got a dad that's like not great, kind of a piece of shit. Of course there's varying degrees of this, so I'm sure, I'm positive in the extremes,

this is not the case. But you know, it's like, oh, I left him because he was kind of whatever, and it's better for my kids. And the data in many cases says it would've been better for your kids to have him just be around. And that one is tough. That's a shitty situation.

The hardest part about that is what you're referring to is so subjective. Of course. Like, where is that line at? I know, I know. Because there obviously is a line where that dad is abusive or really bad. It definitely goes there.

So where is it? And so how do they come up with a study like that? It says, well, let's decide what a bad dad is. A dad that's not very present, doesn't spend time with his kids. So what level is bad? Or is it infidelity? What are those baseline characteristics you need?

What are you receiving then that's beneficial at that point? Is it the structure? Is it the... And what does a dad not have to do in order for them to be categorized as a not dad, a good dad? So that's really such a subjective. So I saw this as a stat, there was an expert who was talking about this and I read the comments.

And I think the point he was making was a lot of times a woman will leave a man and he wasn't physically abusive or addicted to drugs, but he just wasn't present and he's kind of a deadbeat and I left him because he's bad and he's not the greatest father and he made the point like, well, if it's for your kids, it would have been better to have him present, statistically speaking.

And that really pissed off a lot of people in the comments. And listen, as a divorced person, I understand that because one of the hardest things I have to think about is like, was it better for the kids or not? Not that I would change it, but. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think in your situation and why that probably feels that way

is because you weren't a deadbeat dad. You make the case that you feel like you could have been more present for your kids and you could have been a better partner to your wife and stuff like that, but on the spectrum of terrible fathers and ones that could have been better, you're definitely on that other. It's one of those stats that's like, ooh, that's rough.

That's a rough one to consider, you're right, because there's a subjective quality to it. Where do you put that line? Totally, yeah, and then I would even take it even further to what does that do for the, and maybe part of why that's, I don't like that study at all because that, that, that woman then goes on. And if she's already got multiple children, she's older, older and is now divorced.

Her likelihood of maybe finding another mate or finding another good mate is probably really low. So that makes that show that it gets even worse. It gets even worse versus what if that woman was being held back by that terrible man and father. And as soon as she gets remarried, she marries in. And even though he wasn't a horrible father, but he wasn't very, but then she remarries to an amazing man. And now that amazing man steps in and brings, so, you know, I don't know enough of the data to consider. But I mean,

I can already tell just from the, it's not enough to control, and that's probably why so many people were so upset and triggered by that, because I can think of so many examples of where it's not, that wouldn't be true, and not fair to even say that, and it's like, is that really a worthwhile stat to even tout, because you're only gonna probably give a woman more guilt who left this-

That's exactly what I think people would feel 100%. And I mean, and that's not cool because again, let's say wife leaves that guy and he wasn't. He wasn't abusive, he didn't cheat, but he was just a deadbeater. He wasn't a present father. So she's like, I'm out, I want better. And she does go get better.

And better ends up being amazing for their life and the best decision she ever made. But maybe she doesn't. maybe she has a hard time and those kids grow up with no father, which is probably where that status following those numbers. Yeah, that's what I mean by not present. Yeah, yeah. Because not having a parent not present

is completely not present, devastating. It is devastating to the development of children. Why do you guys think that is with the religious thing? Why do you think that when the dad follows a practice, that the odds that the family follows is so much higher than if the mom does? What do you think that is? I mean, wouldn't you go back to like your, always your evolutionary arguments of like our responsibilities and roles in the family unit early on?

Like we weren't the nurturer, we weren't like, you were the protector, the provider, and you were probably the one, the dad was probably the one that said, we're moving here, because this is where the food is at, this is where we're safer, this is where we go. So you guys just follow, you don't question me, you don't go like, but dad, we like it here,

the trees are prettier. It's like, no, dad says we're going over here because it's where we're gonna survive and live in. So you're leading your family in that sense. You remember that talk that Arthur Brooks gave? I think I thought about that one when I read that stat where he said Imagine as a kid because when you're a kid, it's a lot more humbling. Yes when you're a kid This is very true, right when you're a child if you have and you have a good relationship with your dad Typically your dad up until you're a certain age is the most powerful powerful, strongest, like most dominant person in your life.

That's your dad, right? So then you go to church or this religious practice and there's dad. Dad is like, something scary happens, dad's the one that saves me and dad's the one that lifts the heavy stuff and whatever. And then you see him bow or kneel to something bigger than him.

That's gotta have a profound impact on a child. Yeah, well I think it is simple as this. Dad is the leader of the family for the reasons I just said, and historically it's been that way. It's that way in most cases, not all cases, not my, my, my wife's family. And then you, so you, you recognize dad as the leader as a child. And then for the first time in your life, you see that your dad has a leader. Yeah.

And so that is very powerful, very powerful. Up into that point, my dad leads everything in our life and everything around us. And then for the first time in my life. He's a superhero. Yeah, in my first time in my life, I realized, oh shit, my dad is being led by something or someone else. Who is this?

That's very powerful. I'm interested in that. That's what I think. Yeah, I think so too. All right, look, we put together a wait list for people who want coaching from Adam, myself, and Justin, who are also on a GLP-1. Now, I do wanna be clear,

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If you're looking to maximize performance, changing your energy intake, either the day before or the day of, maybe a couple hours or a few hours before the workout, will definitely improve your odds of good performance. So if performance is important to you, if your strength is important to you, or even if you just like the pump, eating more calories, having more protein and carbohydrates in particular,

it'll make you, you'll perform a little better. And then this is of course, especially true for athletes. Like you don't want to have a low calorie day, the day before the day of a competition that typically, that'll definitely reduce performance. So I reverse engineer this. So instead of like modifying my diet to decide what I wanna do with my workout, I modify my workout to reflect what's going on in my diet. Totally, I hate the same thing. So it's like- That's from an aesthetic standpoint too, right? Yeah, but altogether, all above,

because it's just, there's way more variables that happen with nutrition, sleep, all these other things like that. And I'm only just controlling one variable with the workout. Basically, it's like I'm modifying intensity, right? All I have to do with the workout is in just intensity. The worker can stay almost the same, but I can really modify the intensity by weight and sets and reps and many different levers, right? And trying to say I'm going to change diet, sleep, all these other things to try to fit into what

my workouts would be like. That's a lot of variables that need to go right to justify whatever this training look like. It's much easier to go like, this is how I eat, this is how I sleep, these are the things I'm doing. Yesterday this happened. Exactly. My workouts would be harder. Right, right. Or I'm a little behind on calories. And so then, so to me, again, it'd be different if I was an athlete.

Yeah, that's different. You can't change this competition. Right, right. That's a very, which I don't think this person is, maybe. Unless you're a very general question. Yeah, if you're a very hyper specific athlete, this doesn't apply to you, but pretty much everybody else, general population, I would suggest modifying your workout

to reflect your nutrition and your sleep and all the other things. Instead of the other things. Now, Justin, when you competed in the college level, did you identify any meals or a way of eating either the day before or day of your competition? Yeah. I mean, I just loaded, yeah, a lot of chicken nuggets. I actually ate a lot of protein and I had, um, I had a bit more carbohydrates, uh,

the days preceding it, but then I wasn't, I made sure not to, um, eat a lot. Like a lot of my friends would eat a lot of like starchy carbs and things like day of, and then they would be really lethargic in their performance. I made that mistake too, for a while thinking that's how you carb load and not realizing that I was going to crash pretty substantially midway through. So I learned to just sort of do more of the loading before, a couple of days before, and then just have a real reasonable. If not, I was actually a little bit less calorie wise and more intentional about what kind of food. Did you have staple foods?

So steak was a big one for me. Like, uh, the days before potatoes were great for that, uh, especially. Um, and I mean, sometimes I would do even pasta and that's like scenario just to up my carbs, but like, uh, I wouldn't go crazy with it. Yeah. Now, Adam, you had this down to a science. Chicken, rice, avocados. But no, no, no, be beyond that.

What? You had it down to a science in terms of grams. Oh yeah, yeah. As far as like, I remember you said it before. It was like you had to have two meals, X amount of this much water. What was the number? I needed to have between 70 and a hundred grams of carbohydrates before my workout to have like the most awesome. Divided over two meals? Yeah, over two meals and over two meals ideally. Like instead of these slamming. So 75 to 100 plus how much water? About a half a gallon at least. Protein? Yeah, sometimes depending on where I was in my thing,

I'd be up to a gallon sometimes before that. I try to get a lot, I would say very, very hydrated, a good 70 to 100 grams of carbohydrates. Protein was like, as long as I was on pace, because that puts me about noon, about halfway towards my goal for the day. That wouldn't change. That wouldn't matter, yeah.

Protein was actually the least important for performance. It was more that was more like make sure I'm on pace for my target for the day. The most important thing was the carbohydrates and the hydration. Yeah. Was making sure that I had that. So I work out in the morning fast, because I work out so early. I've identified that if I eat a high carbohydrate meal, my protein is always there, but a high carbohydrate, high sodium meal the night before. Yes. I'll wake up and I'll work out and have a punt. I'll get a crazy. So at that point in my career, I wasn't, or I wasn't paying attention in the off season so much

at this, at that timing, but I would tell you that that's actually something that I was obviously doing and didn't realize. So I had this, uh, breakfast spot that I ate religiously at every single morning, right? It was like cheers. When I walked in breakfast spot that I ate religiously every single morning, right? It was like cheers when I walked in there. It was every day I was there. I ate, I had the same meal, same everything because I had got it down to the science in it. And part of that was eating out. So I'm eating like a steak. Oh yeah. Steak and potatoes. Unintentionally I was doing that. So I definitely was eating one of the two meals was a very high sodium meal in addition to that. So that probably played a role in sodium meal in addition to that. So

that probably played a role in how I felt. And that it wasn't something I was actually intentionally trying to do, but looking back and hearing us talk and you share your experience with both cholesterol and sodium. That was a very high cholesterol, very high sodium, one of my two meals in addition to the 75 to a hundred grams of carbs. I'm sure that probably played a role. And you got a great pump. Yeah. Yeah. Great, great workout from that. Next question is from Burke himself. Can you discuss the balance of deadlifting

to get benefits without looking like you deadlift? I feel like a deadlift physique is not the most desirable. Now, I'm gonna just, with all due respect, I picked this question because it's stupid. Excuse me? This is a stupid question, whoever asked this, sorry. And I know you listen to the show, but this is equivalent to someone coming to me and saying,

Hey, look, I want to do some strength training, but I don't want to get too big. Okay. This is from a dude. Yeah. You're not going to get, listen, there's no such thing as a developing a deadlift physique, unless what you want is a strong muscular back,

nice glutes and hamstrings. The reason why some people think there's a deadlift physique is because they look at top deadlifters in the world, they look at their physiques and say, oh, that's due to the deadlift. No, what you have is a democratization of that sport where the people who are built best to deadlift move to the top.

It's no different than looking at top swimmers. If we look at Olympic swimmers and imagine if I made this conclusion, oh man, I'm not going to swim to workout because it's going to make my arms hella long, my legs hella short, and I'm going to get a flat. I'm going to look goofy. Yeah. No, that's because that body type tends to work really well with swimming along other things. Deadlifting is just an excellent exercise. Also, by the way, even if there was a semblance

of truth to this, it wouldn't happen overnight. You're not gonna work out and the next day look, ah shit, I picked the wrong exercise, it looks so different. Your body develops slowly over time. You could always back off. There is no truth to this. This is literally, and what comes to mind to me when I was competing is like comparing

Craig Capurso's back to my back. Like Craig naturally, before deadlifting or any of the ways, had a very square square boxy physique. Made him great at football, made him good for powerlifting, like that's what made him really good at those things. Because he was built that way, he was built like a tank. But when you got on stage and you saw his back, he had this broad look, but he also had square looking hips. It had nothing to do with his deadlifting, it had to do with his genetics. Me, on the other hand, I have this swimmer look, tiny, tiny little waist and narrow hips

and skinny legs and big wide back and broad shoulders. So guess what? When I built that crazy dead lift up and built this, I had this impressive wide thick back that dropped down to a small taper. And so yeah, that looked amazing. Had nothing to do with our dead lifting that did that. It was our genetics that we were already like that. Is this the person? That's the guy asking and he's freaking more jacked than all of us in this room. Why are you asking this question?

So this guy's super overdeveloped. I don't say overdeveloped, I don't mean that negatively. Like he's very strong and very built. Oh yeah, circuit perc, circuit perc. And so yeah, I don't know what you mean by deadlift physique. Do you mean you don't want a big strong back? I don't know. I mean, I mean, he has more of a, he has more of a boxy look. What it is, is he wants the more of a men's physique taper look and he's better built for powerlifting like he's doing, which is probably why you like

doing it and you're good. So you look at him, he has more, yeah, it's thick. He's ripped too. Yeah. But it's, but you need, but you need to understand that it's genetic, which is also why I bet you, you like doing these lifts. Now he could. You like doing these lifts that we're watching you do right now because you're good at it because of your build. You weren't built to be a swimmer like me. Doesn't mean you can't go swim,

but you're not gonna change your morphology. I guess you could wear a squeam, atrophy your midsection, cause your muscle function to go down the toilet. To get a quarter of an inch smaller waist. Yeah, which is totally not worth it. Not even that. Yeah, I don't know why he's, I wonder if he asked that question as a troll, because he looks like he knows everything. Yeah, or yeah, I know. Just so he'd watch his videos. Look at his workouts and exercises. Or unless he's like thinking of like jumping on stage as like a physique competitor. That might be why, that's probably why somebody told him like oh Well, look at you know, you're too boxy for that

I mean and there's a and the reason why I mean, I'm glad we're addressing this and I'm so glad we pulled whoever pulled up I know he's a beast. Do you look great? Yeah, but that's a good example though of like I also saw like his his his arms and his muscle bellies like you weren't built for competing on stage. Sorry. No. But guess what? That's what average person does.

You're going to probably kick my ass up and down any strongman competitions and circus pressing all day. Like you're going to smoke me at that. No matter how hard I train, you'll probably could be potentially better at that because your body was built for that. It's what it is is that you have so many people that want to cross over and do this thing

and they want to be the best at it. When genetics plays a big role in these guys at that level It does yes bodybuilding is at higher levels higher levels. You have long muscle bellies Obviously big muscles. You also have small joints. You also have a small waist narrow hips wide shoulder it's a it's a very unique combination of genetics that goes into the mix wide shoulder. It's a, it's a very unique combination of genetics that goes into the mix. Um, and now, now if this guy walked around the streets, people will probably think he's a bodybuilder because he's very well developed. Awesome.

But you put them on stage next to someone with those genetic, you know, those things that I listed and he's going to look like, Oh, you got boxy physique, so, but no, it's not the deadlifts, bro. In fact, if you stop deadlifting, you probably lose a lot some muscle. Yeah. Okay. Next question is from Brooke Rysenga. What are the negative effects of

artificial sweeteners? Oh boy. I know. So, all right, look, here's the deal. For some people, there's a lot of controversy around this lane and the data, there's a lot of data on artificial. Fortunately, there's a lot of data on

artificial sweeteners for a lot of, for some people that can have negative effects on their gut health. Now, I'm not talking about the effects of the microbiome, blah, blah, blah. It definitely changes the microbiome, but we don't know if it's good or bad necessarily. But a lot of people will consume artificial sweeteners

and they will say themselves, it doesn't affect my gut well, it throws off my stool, I'll get either diarrhea or- A lot of anecdotal. Anecdotal. Some people also just don't respond well to artificial sweeteners. It can cause migraines in some people.

You know who you are if that's the case. But I'm gonna focus on the negative that I've observed from artificial sweeteners from a behavior standpoint. First off, if you look at the data on artificial sweeteners where the calories are not controlled, in other words, they just tell people, hey, switch out your sugar foods for artificial sweetener foods and then come back six months, they don't lose weight. Now, why don't they lose weight? Because we tend to replace those calories with other things. What's going on here? Well, I think there's a behavioral thing happening where the sweetness, the flavor,

it's not innocuous, that sensation or that perception of sweetness probably makes us want to eat more or here's the other thing that could be happening, that natural barrier of calories has been eliminated, therefore making people feel like they could go nuts with this, whereas you may look at a soda and say, ah, it's 150 calories, I'll just have one. Oh, it has no calories. I'll have 15.

And then that encourages other behaviors. I've never successfully had somebody use artificial sweeteners in a long-term, you know, fat loss approach. The only time I've ever used artificial sweetener successfully was with people who are following a strict diet and we're tracking calories and then we're taking out sugar and replacing it with this to cut an extra 150 calories but typically people this is not this hasn't helped with weight loss at all these these artificial sweeteners introduced in the market and we're more obese than I think where we go wrong with this conversation and I wish I wish I could get everybody to kind of to try and view it the way I look at this which is I think we go

wrong when we are on either side of this argument and you're, you're extreme, either you're so pro at, Oh, they're innocuous. You can do as much as you want. Drink 12 diet cokes a day because all the studies show that that's not going to kill you. You're fine. Or the other like, be careful. There's cyanide in there and it's the same thing that's in rat poisoning and it's going to kill you if you, so it's like, it falls somewhere in the middle of me. Here's how I look at it. That's from the apple. I'm still not familiar with anything

that we've ever created artificially that is healthy for us to intake. I just, I'm not aware of anything that we've ever created that is fake and artificial, that is healthy for me to intake. So whether it's gonna kill me or not, I drink, I use, everyone knows I've openly talked about Diet Coke, you see me drink things like Celsius and stuff like that that use all these different types

of our, here's the way I look at it. Like I don't fool myself into thinking as I drink that diet coke, like I'm making a healthy choice. Like I'm going, I had one yesterday. Maybe I shouldn't have one today. You're not looking at it like it's water. Yeah, exactly. I'm trying to minimize it because I know it's not ideal. It's not an ideal healthy drink or healthy thing for me to use. And so I'm always trying to do less of it and choose more natural whole foods or whole food choices.

But I'm also not freaking out every time I have that because I look at it as like, even if it's not, maybe it even isn't good for me. There's a lot of other things in my life that I could even improve on for my health that I should be even focusing on. So it's like, it isn't the biggest rock to move to like moving the health needle, but it also by no means is it considered healthy for me. And so it's like, I'm not going to freak out about it, but I'm also not going to just ignore and not pay attention to,

did I already have a Coke today or did I have Coke, diet Coke five days in a row? Maybe I should take a break. Like that's just kind of how I treat it. Like why do we have to be on a team of, oh, it's the worst thing ever for you? Or, oh, it doesn't matter, have 12 a day. Like we're gonna give you cancer or like, yeah, it's just like, but also too,

you can't sit here and try and claim all the benefits of it. Like I'm not gonna buy into that at all. You know, like it's not really a beneficial item for you to keep consuming. And so you just got to kind of minimize. Yeah. On the list of things that you should really consider with your diet. If you have a poor diet, I don't think it's at the top either. Right. I think more of the top would be like, okay, hyper, you know, will still process food. Protein intake, protein intake, healthy fats.

Yeah, so. Saturate, I mean, of ultra-protein. But I don't believe it's part of a, you know, let me use this as a strategy for a healthy diet. It just, it's never worked. It doesn't wean you off like sugar either. And even if it is, the people that try and use that counter, great, so it got you to this step. You know what the next step is?

Get the fuck rid of it then. It's not the ultimate step. So if you make the case like, oh it really helped me not drink regular cokes or it really helped me not do whatever, it's like okay cool, now you've got that step, let's keep going. Also, also, there's, and this is the part

that I also wanna lean toward. I know diet coke and diet Pepsi, and diet soda drinkers, and they have an addictive behavior towards that. Oh my God, you give me? That doesn't seem right to me. It doesn't seem right to me. That's how I. diet soda drinkers, and they have an addictive behavior towards that. That doesn't seem right to me. It doesn't seem right to me. I gotta have like diet coke for the rest. That's how I approach it, that's how I look at it

in my own life, is that I don't look at it and go like, oh I shouldn't have this, it's gonna cause cancer in me. I go like, I had it three days in a row. Is it starting to get, just the same way that I look at marijuana, the same way I look at Kratom, the same way I look at caffeine, the same way I look at artificial sweeteners. I know none of them fuckers are considered really, really healthy for me and not ideal. I'm not scared to death about

all of them if they, if they make their way in and out of my, but I'm becoming aware of is it got a hold of me to where I start making excuses for why I need it every day or why I should do this much. If you're doing that, there's where the problem lies, not in what the research says about whether it's innocuous or not. That's, to me, how we should have conversations

around artificial sweeteners. Next question is from Kate Lifts Waits. At what age do you all feel like you became a man and what defined that moment for you? That's an interesting, deep question. First we have to define what that means to be a man and what defined that moment for you? That's an interesting, deep question. First we have to define like what that means to be a man. Um, for me, it means really taking responsibility for my life, my actions, and for other people, being

responsible for other people, and also being able to have the discipline to control my primal, you know, instincts, wild instincts, like anger and rage and you know, whatever. And really that happened to me for the first time when I had kids. I, when I had children, uh, it, it, it, it's hard to explain unless you've experienced this, but for the first time ever, you love something way more than you love yourself. And that changes everything. Your perspective on that changes everything. Your perspective on

life changes completely. Things you didn't care about before you really care about now and things you cared about before you realize aren't that big of a deal and you don't care. And I think that was the beginning of you know what that meant for me at least to become a man. Yeah I guess immediately what I think about is like there's been traditions and rituals for this for reason. And I think that we haven't really acknowledged that or kept up with a lot of these, like with this current culture. And it's like everybody, it's all about, you know, like the individual now and like, we don't really like adopt a lot of these things. But I really do think there's some value to, you know, leaving the nest and

like really like going off and finding yourself. And so for me, it was like literally physically moved like thousands of miles away from my house and then started over and reinvented myself. And for me, it was like everything from then on was a decision that I had to make regarding, you know, what I was going to do, what I was interested in, where I wanted had to make regarding what I was going to do, what I was interested in, where I wanted to go, and what I was going to tackle. And so I felt like just not being influenced by that safety net of family and friends and all that and really breaking off and discovering yourself, I think that's a big part of it. That's really interesting that you both went that way

because right away when this question was asked, there's two moments in time that popped in my head and they really define kind of what you both just said. So I remember two moments. One of them was 17 and the other was almost 40. So almost 20 years later, I was 37 or so, 37, 38 when I felt the second one. So the first one was much like Justin.

When I was 17, I moved out and lived on my own. And so it was fully independent. So at that point in my life, I was not calling my mom or dad or family for help for anything. I mean, I would like, you'd do bills, housing, schooling. I was fully cooking everything. Like there was no support at all. Now, I didn't have a lot of that in some of my even teenage years, but at 17, all of it

was on me. There was no more support. That definitely probably made me feel like, okay, I'm a man, but I'm only 17 years old at this point. I don't have the responsibility of raising, taking care of others, which I think is another evolution in manhood. And really for me, it wasn't just having a kid that made that, although having a kid had this impact, it was actually when I

reached a point where I felt like if I died, my wife and kid would be fine forever. That was a big moment for me. So when we had reached a level of financial success and security, where I knew that if I got in a plane crash and left my child and wife behind, do I feel confident that they are gonna be totally okay? As much as I don't want that to happen, so with that, but that gave me a sense of like, yeah, I did it as a man, I did it as a father, I did it as a husband, like that was a big moment.

So those two were defining moments of manhood, even though there's probably been a lot of little ones along the way of growth, but those two things, which I feel like kind of encompasses what you guys were both alluding to. I mean, what's the difference between a man and a boy? Not necessarily age, I know a lot of them. I mean, there's boys that are 40 years old.

Yeah, and then there's men who are 19 years old. I think it's when you, uh, cause what characterizes a man, I think has a lot to do with discipline because an undisciplined man is a boy. And what does that look like? Well, I'm going to go chase after every girl. It's a Peter Pan syndrome here. I'm going to work for myself and have fun and just that's all that matters. I'm not gonna have any responsibility. Kind of do whatever, you know,

the whole thing that we tend to glamorize. I think that's the difference, right, between- It's a really interesting question to pose and to talk about because I definitely felt that that 17-year-old me was definitely becoming, or if not a man. I mean, the fact that it was, I'm full. The fact that you were responsible for yourself. I mean, based on your environment.

Right, I was, yeah, based on my environment, my situation, I was definitely fully independent. But it was still self-centered, right? Right, but I mean, I feel like, so that was like the beginning of manhood for me, and back to Justin's point of why there's been rituals around teenage boys. Yeah, I'm sure, it's not like a light switch,

like boom, man. Yeah, it's not, light switch, like boom. Yeah, it's not. I mean, I still think today, I think from that moment, from 17, today and still continuing on, I'm always evolving and growing that man. So I felt like I became a man really fully independent and my own man at that point. And then since 17 to today, and hopefully hopefully continuing on is that I'm always evolving and growing as that man and there's been probably pivotal things in my life that have happened that have made me probably feel personally like oh I leveled up and I would so I guess maybe why I the second thought was this 37 was like that was probably the next big like oh I remember what it

felt like to become 17 be on my own independent independent. And then I remember like, oh, OK, having a kid. And then, oh, I remember like, oh, my kid and my wife are good. Like, I got it. So those are all one, two, three. Yeah, those were very, very pivotal moments in manhood, although there's probably lots of milestones along the way. Yeah, look, if you like the show, head over to our free guides.

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