Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 2374: When You Should NOT Use a GLP-1, How to Use Ice Baths for Health, Tips for When Weight Loss Stalls & More (Listener Live Coaching)

Episode Date: July 6, 2024

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin coach four Pump Heads via Zoom. Email [e-mail] if you want to be considered to ask your question on the show. Mind Pump Fit Tip: (Workout of the Day) Instead of doing multiple exercises for a body part do ONE exercise for a lot of sets. (1:52) If you can’t sleep due to stress and anxiety, try this. (12:53) Man’s struggle to ask for help. (15:51) Moving can be stressful. (18:53) A reminder of how amazing our bodies are to adapt to their environments. (22:32) Mind Pump Recommends, Fight Inc. on Roku. (29:09) Fun Facts with Justin: Bear-hunting armor. (35:32) Do you want an AI bot? (38:17) Fake news goes crazy! (43:41) NCI x Mind Pump Tahoe Event announcement! (45:47) Why the guys are attracted to entrepreneurs who aren’t attention-seeking. (47:29) Caldera’s mineral-based sunscreen protects and heals! (50:38) Shout out to NCI x Mind Pump Tahoe Event! (52:54) #ListenerLive question #1 – What is the right way to wean off a GLP-1, like Semaglutide? (53:57) #ListenerLive question #2 - How often do you recommend doing a cold plunge for optimal health? (1:14:42) #ListenerLive question #3 – I was able to reverse diet a client from 1800 to 3800 calories and gained a lot of strength and size on the way but now looking to get her physique to the next level. We are struggling to see any weight loss going as little as 1900 calories. What are some things I could look into as a coach? (1:25:15) #ListenerLive question #4 – How do I incorporate MAPS Prime Pro with Anabolic? (1:39:54) Related Links/Products Mentioned Ask a question to Mind Pump, live! Email: [e-mail] Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout for 20% off** Visit Caldera Lab for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Promo code MINDPUMP at checkout for 20% off your first order of their best products ** July Promotion: MAPS Split | Sexy Athlete Bundle 50% off! ** Code JULY50 at checkout ** Mind Pump Apperal 4th of July sale is live! Get 25% off Freedom tee, Rebellion tee, and Freedom flag. Our equipment and other apparel will be 20% off.  This includes Tees, the Love Yourself Collection, Socks, Headbands, and Kitchen items.  Mind Pump #1632: The Truth About German Volume Training How Do I Choose The Right Weight? (LIFT RESPONSIBLY) – YouTube Mind Pump #2347: Become A Better Husband, Wife, Father Or Mother By Discovering Your Attachment Style With Adam Lane Smith Bajau people 'evolved bigger spleens' for free-diving - BBC Watch The Deepest Breath | Netflix Official Site How to watch and stream Fight Inc: Inside the UFC - Roku A Siberian bear-hunting armor from the 1800s Are German Police Wearing Chainmail to Defend Against Refugee NCI x Mind Pump 2 Day Truckee Experience Visit Brain.fm for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners. ** Get 30 days of free access to science-backed music. ** Mind Pump #2360: What You Need To Know About GLP-1 With Dr. Tyna Moore MP Holistic Health 3 Day Mind Pump Personal Trainer Webinar Mind Pump Fitness Coaching Course Mind Pump Podcast – YouTube Mind Pump Free Resources People Mentioned Adam | Relationship Psychology (@attachmentadam) Instagram Jason Phillips (@realjasonphillips) Instagram   Dr. Tyna Moore (@drtyna) Instagram   Dr. William Seeds (@williamseedsmd) Instagram Dr. Stephen Cabral (@stephencabral) Instagram  

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Athlete bundle of programs is also half off. If you're interested, go to mapsfitnessproducts.com and then use the code July 50 for the discount. All right. Here comes the show. All right. For today's workout, try this instead of doing multiple exercises for a body part, do one exercise for a lot of sets. For example, today's chest day, instead of doing bench press, incline dumbbell press,

flies, cable this, that, and the other, just do 10 sets of bench press. This actually is phenomenal for strength and muscle gains. A great way to practice and exercise, and believe me, you'll feel it the next day. I love this tip. Yeah, especially when I'm not in the mood to train. Yeah.

And I'm like, I don't really feel like doing it. It's gonna do a bunch of things. Simplicity wins. It does, I'm like, I don't really feel like doing it. Simplicity wins. It does. And it's because I don't train this way often. But there's times where I'm just not into it. I'm like, you know what? I'm just gonna go pinch press for fucking 45 minutes.

Yeah. That's just what I'm gonna do. Or just squat for 45 minutes. And it never fails, ends up being a phenomenal workout. That's so novel. You rarely ever train eight to 10 sets of an exercise. And, uh, I love to do this. Especially when you talk about like, uh, probably don't waste your time doing eight to 10 sets of barbell curls or basic curls.

That's, but if you go pick a one compound lift, uh, and do that eight to 12 sets, boy, that's a workout. The first time I did this, I was maybe 17 or 18. I had just learned about German volume training, right? That's what it's called. And I did it and I got really good results from it. So since then, ever since I discovered that as a kid, I'll throw this in here and there, but you know, it's a, a really cool, uh, like advantage or feature of this style of training. When I do just one exercise, if I get sore the day after it helps me identify where that specific exercise hits my body. You know what I'm saying? Like, like I've done this with pull-ups, like I'll do 10 sets of pull-ups and

I'll feel, oh, it's mostly in my lats or I'll do 10 sets of rows. Oh, it's mostly in my mid back or 10 sets of this chest exercise. Oh, it's this part of my chest or that part of my chest or this part of my shoulders. So it's a really cool way too, for you to do an exercise and the day after be like, oh, I can see where that's targeting what part of the body or muscle is that is targeting specifically, especially for large muscle groups. There was just something cool, unexpected.

Yeah. It's also like, you kind of find that threshold for volume and with that very specific lift as well too. And it's like, Oh, usually I can squeeze a little bit out. Um, you know, in terms of like, I could probably add another set or like, at least like work my way, uh, you know, in that direction a little bit more. But yeah, I love, I just love the specificity of it and, and looking at it more as like, I can really get into the little nuances of the lift. I can focus more on my grip. I could focus more on which like you're identifying later, but also during the

lift, which muscles I can activate more intensively to squeeze out more performance out of it. So it's just like, there's so many benefits to it. It really highlights too, how much I feel like our space, all of us as trainers, overcomplicate this. Totally. It's like. You know what's funny? This approach is better than 90% of the workouts

that are out there. I know, I know. Where you just did one, like 10 sets of a. Seriously. Seriously. If you picked, basically just, you went to the gym like every day and you picked one compound lift, eight to 10 sets and that's all you ever did.

That'd be better than 90% of the workouts that are out there. Yes, like you would be surprised. Unfortunately. Like how great of results. And literally, I'm even gonna go this far, like no rhyme or reason. You just pick what you feel like you're in the mood to. It's just one roll,

compound lift, eight to twelve sets. Go as you feel every day, no order, nothing like that. And I'm not saying that it can be way better by doing all those things. I'm saying that. You just gave the Konami code for a workout program. By the way, for the youngsters, I don't know what that is, that was a code he did in video games. Up, up, down, left, right, B, A, select, start. Boom. And you had 30 or 50 lives. Something like that.

Yeah. I think it's super contract. No, this is a very easy and effective way to put together effective workout programming. By the way, when you do this, pick a weight that is lighter than you think you'll be able to do. I learned this the hard way. Way lighter too. Oh bro, I could do, I mean I haven't squatted in a while, but when I was squatting pretty well, I could do 315 for 10.

Good rep. So I said, you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna do 225 for 10 sets of 10. Set six. I was like, uh-oh, that's too heavy for this. You know, that would a great point. It's, it's, to me, I, this is the other thing I liked about this, this exercise, right. Uh, of, of changing this up is totally highlights how our body adapts like so well to like the, the, the regimen that you currently follow, right? Like as soon as you go from, like most most people I would say Train within the three to five set range

Yeah Probably most are really three to four and a few probably outliers that run like a five by five But most people are three to five no more than that no And so when you get to set six and seven of the same exercise how the performance goes down? Well, you get so much weaker. I remember when I did, it wasn't that long ago. Didn't you guys do that with squats too, one time you and Justin did that?

Oh yeah, yeah, we did it out here. Yeah, yeah. We did it out here, and I think it was... It was just 10 of 10. I think it was 225 is exactly what we tried to do. I think 225, 10 sets of 10 was what we were trying to do. And by like set six, I was like, oh God, yeah. I think I was dropping it down to like five reps

by the time I got down to like the set six and seven. I did this with deadlifts once with 315, which I could bounce 315 on the floor no problem with 20 times, right? I did 10 sets of 10 and I was wasted, wasted for days. It was like three days where I was like, this is, I would have to do it over. And the point of us, yeah, and the point,

by the way, so the point of us sharing that with you is so if you're about to go to your workout, you're gonna test this out. Underestimate. Here's, and here would be my advice, like whatever you think you should cut it in, cut it in half of that, because you can always go up on set six, seven, eight, nine, ten. Like you know what I'm saying? Like just watch what you feel like by sets six and seven, and I bet you'd be surprised on how much that's gonna track you. What's great about this is if you pick the right weight,

this is what it ends up feeling like. Uh, you know, sets one to five kind of start off easy. You get really good technique. You're getting good connection. They start to become progressively more difficult, more difficult, more difficult. Then when you get to like set seven, eight, nine, and 10, oh my gosh, those are the hard work sets. So each set represents a different way

of strength training because you have those early sets where you feel fresh, so it's all about connecting, technique, make the weight feel heavier, feel good. By the time you get to the end, it's about maximizing your leverage. It's about maximizing overall muscle activation. It's like, how can I make this happen? So set eight and set two look very different, even though the

exercise itself is the same. So when you think to yourself, Oh, this is a very basic, simple workout. I'm just doing one exercise. You're not, you're actually doing one exercise three different ways. Some of them are slow bodybuilding kind of whatever towards the end. It's like, I got to maximize leverage and overall muscle activation. I'm not just trying to feel my quads. I'm trying to move this weight very different towards the end of the workout. Well what I was gonna say is you could kind of add

Your last fitness tip that you gave with this tip. So because you're already doing so many sets and Of an exercise like what a great time to go really light slow down your tempo and really just work on form and technique Yeah, and I guarantee that that shit will get heavy time to go really light, slow down your tempo and really just work on form and technique. And I guarantee that that shit will get heavy by the time you get to sets six, seven and eight. Like just do that. Like it's a great way to shake things up. It's also a fun workout if you have a workout partner.

So this was one of my favorite ways to work out in the few times that I would work out with a workout partner. We'd go to the gym and we'd say, okay, we're going to do 10 sets of overhead press. And then we would load the bar and we would just take turns back and forth. And it's like, you know, it's like a 45 minute hour workout. And it's really, really fun to just stay in one place and do the same exercise for that. That's the only way buddy training works in my opinion, because it's like, uh,

you know, you keep the focus simple, you get adequate rest because somebody's performing it Well, the other person's kind of taking the rest and in you guys, you know, you get a lot of benefit from it obviously just You know just just focusing on what you need to in all the little nuances with that But yeah if you if you try to like do too much and work out with a partner like it's just like the discrepancies between the two It's just crazy. You guys ever do Barbell this is a different kind of different topic with this, but you ever do

Barbell curl like handoff. Oh, yeah, just go back and forth. Yeah, I do mine handed to you Do yours handed me until we can't do anymore stupid. Hey listen, that will never be a tip in the until we can't do anymore? Stupid, stupid. Hey listen. That will never be a tip in the fitness list. No, but you know what though? Hey listen, sometimes it's fun to do. No, no, you know, I mean what a point that is, right?

That was fun. So there's, you know, your desired outcome going into the workout is important, right? Because sometimes you are, you're bored of the same thing and something just creative is worth doing. But this really, this is a really good tip because I spent a long time actually training this way with squats and deadlifts. There was a period of time when we were doing mind pump where I was really trying to improve my deadlift and my squat

and never thought I was a really good squatter or deadlifter up until we trained and did mind pump. And a lot of the both squat days and deadlift days, that's all I did. Like I just, I would bring my duffel bag over to the squat rack and drop it down and do all my mobility. Yeah. And I'd spend 45 minutes to an hour just on that one squat rack. And it would be all about priming and getting mobile and then between each set I was critiquing it, I was even videoing it a lot of times and

then watching my form if there was any discrepancy anywhere, really trying to work on the take off. I was really just trying to hone in the skill. And I tell you, people get so caught up in the weight and the soreness thing and stuff like that. This is such a good way because you hear us all the time talking about practicing the lift and getting in. That is literally what this is.

Yeah, and so don't get hung up on like, oh, how much weight do I need to put on the barbell? Put hardly anything. Like, make this like a technique thing and really perfect the skill of this because it will really benefit you in the long run. The feel at the end of the workout's different too. If you do this right, it's not like a bodybuilding pump,

you know, type of, it just, you feel very, your body feels very good, very accomplished, very solid. It's a very different feeling at the end of the workout. It is, and how you know you over, you did it is you'll feel taxed. You shouldn't, that's when you, you didn't, you didn't listen to what we said, like, this should not crush you.

And if it crushed you, you overshot. You should have done a weight. That's why I say whatever weight you think you should do, cut that in half and I bet you you'll be fine. Speaking of crushed and sleep and all that stuff, Justin, we're gonna bring up how tired you appear to be right now. What's going on?

Isn't that obvious? I can't hide stuff very well. You said, okay, so you said all fair, your sleep hasn't been good or like, what has it been like a few days of just? Yeah, a string of days. Like ever since we left for Vegas, like I haven't really slept consistently, you know, has interrupted like completely. And it was like a multitude of factors. Are things waking you up or are you just waking up? Yeah. Mainly I'm waking up and it's like muscle, like restless legs and hips. And, um, I,

I don't know, like there's stress and there's a lot of chatter and you know, and it's, it's funny cause it's like, we're kind of in a, there's not a whole lot. There's a lot going on with our company right now and everything going on, but it's like, it's not nothing out of the ordinary, you know? But you know, I am kind of like, and I was talking with Courtney with about this a little bit, but like, I'm actually, um, might be just stressed because we purchased a new place. For sure. Of course, just stress. And I'm trying to figure out how I'm going to remodel it immediately and then like be able

to move the kids over there and they're starting a whole new school. And like every weekend we have is like accounted for up the summer leading into them going to a new school. And I, I don't know, I guess I just don't process things. Have you tried, um, have you, the one of you tried to organic, if I sleep, a supplement, the powder, I have tried it. Uh, no, I, no, I haven't tried that one yet. It's sleep powder. So they have a, it's like a, what's it called?

Is it sleep? Maybe that can look it up. I think it's called sleep and the compound. Like their gold juice or something? No, no, no, no. The gold juice. Specifically, no, no, no, specifically for sleep. Oh, I didn't know.

And it's got valerian root, passionflower, holy basil, skull cap, I think. All of them are traditional anti-anxiety herbs. So it's a different kind of sleep supplement than other. Well, that one might match better for me. Like I feel that like, like tension. That's right. Pull it up.

I don't even know they had this. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. So do we have any here at the studio? We should in the back. There it is.

Yeah. It's called sleep. Valerian, holy basil, skull cap called Sleep. Oh yeah, no I haven't. Valerian, holy basil, skull cap, passion flower, lavender. All of those compounds are all traditionally used for anxiety. So. Have they always had the risk-free money back guaranteed?

I believe they have, yeah. Yeah, I believe so. That's the first time I've ever seen the logo like that on there. So, if you can't sleep due to stress and anxiety, this is a good product. There's other products that like, oh I can't sleep due to poor digestion,

due to lack of magnesium. But if it's an anxiety thing, if you're going through a stressful time, all those compounds are good for, especially passionflower. Passionflower is like a natural, very, very effective natural anti-anxiety. Oh, theanine's in there, lavender. Well I natural anti-anxiety.

Thienines in there, lavender. Well, I try really hard not to complain. That's one of the things too. It's just like, yeah. You know what we gotta do? We gotta sign you up. We gotta sign you up from one of those weird men's retreat groups I've seen on the internet.

Have you seen these? The three days of silence are like dark or whatever. You know what they are? Strangling everybody. Listen, there's videos of dudes, like I don't know, in the woods or something, and then a guy's like, he's yelling or crying.

There's guys around him like rubbing his back and he's like, I'm letting out all my, whatever. It's really, it's not this complicated fellas. Men do a great job of processing by going out and doing hard stuff. I don't think you necessarily need to get around a circle and you know what I mean?

Cry or you know what I mean? Play drums. I think it's like hey guys let's go build some houses for some people that need houses. And then that you know and even Adam Smith said that this is very bonding for men that was a vasopressin which comes from accomplishing difficult things. Yeah I'm much more in that camp. I'll tell you what, I definitely have decided I'm not gonna tease Justin anymore though about any of that stuff because what I went through with the whole Vegas trip and feeling that way, I felt like for the first time ever,

I got a glimpse into how he feels on a regular basis. Because I took whatever stress, anxiety that I had with that. You were full throttle, man. And I just, hey, we got work to do. We got a lot to do. I guess I've just never felt, I guess that's not me. Like I tend to be one that vocalizes it or whatever.

And so I don't do that. And so that was the only thing that I could, I could attach to what, what, what was going on. And I remember thinking like, this is what Justin talks about. And I'm like, this is really annoying. It's like, you're not sick, right? You're not like, you know what Justin talks about. And I'm like, this is really annoying. It's like, you're not sick, right? You're not like, you know, you're healthy.

You could technically still work out and do things, but just all day, your shit's fucked up. Yeah, and it's like, you go to eat and you're like, this may or may not fuck me up. You know what I'm saying? Like every meal you probably, I'm like, damn. So I really, and then also to be in a mood to talk to

you knuckleheads and be fine. I'm just like, that's a, so I have a new level of respect for Justin to be able to manage his life. It's so hard. Listen, dude, it's so hard. We're all kind of like this. Okay. We're all like this a little bit. It's really hard when you grow up, not feeling like you can necessarily reach out or whatever, for whatever reason. You've learned like, eh, this is not safe, I'm not gonna say.

So then when you become a man, you're a grown man, telling people, hey man, I'm really, I got this real big challenge, you know, and I'm really, whatever. You might as well rip my arm off. It doesn't feel natural at all. In fact, it feels unnatural and gross. And so I don't even wanna talk about it.

Half the time, you don't even want to admit it to yourself. So you're like, I'm cool. Well, that's all good. That's why right now you're like, I might be over stressed because of like very stressful things. Most people will be like, that's very stressful. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's yeah, cause you don't want to acknowledge it.

And that's always been the thing. It's like, I know it's hard. Like, of course it's going to be hard. I'm not going to sit here and dwell on that fact. You know, whatever it is, uh, you I know it's hard. Like, of course it's gonna be hard. I'm not gonna sit here and dwell on that fact. You know, whatever it is, uh, you know, it's always just the, the MO is like, just get through it, just bulldoze through it and you'll be fine. Speaking of the house, where are you in

escrow right now? You guys are in the, what phase are you in right now? I think we have a week. We sign. That's pretty close. Yeah Yeah, it's exciting it's a total transition you need help moving because you probably don't want to People this time first time moving sucks. Yeah. Oh, I know I moved more than all you guys because I had to move like four different times What a pain in the well and that's even the thing It's not even gonna be for a while because I'm, my plan of attack has been, I'm, we're,

I already have like a full like design team and build team and everything. And we're going to like, so for me, it's, it's like, I'm going to get my hands dirty doing what I can do initially. And that's probably why I'm stressed. Cause I'm like, I could offload that, but you know, it's really hard to justify well I mean I get what you're saying I mean shit he just he saved us like $50,000 with that's not just his money thanks for saving our money but go with everybody else but when it's just yourself, go hire somebody. You're not gonna let us down for money.

Yeah, I don't know. You know, there's part of that, yeah, it's hard. And I do know I could offload that or delegate. But part of me is I get an attachment to the house that way. Like I get into all the nuances, I get under the house, I get real familiarized. So if something goes wrong, it's like at least I know where all the shit, I get under the house, I get real familiarized, so if something goes wrong, it's like at least I know where all the shit is

and where things are behind the wall and all that. So that's sort of as much as all get involved, but this is the first time it's like we're re-facing, we're re-doing the whole look and aesthetic of the place. So. Are they gonna strip it down to like the framing or how, how, how naked is it going to be? Like how, how much are you?

Yeah. So I'm most the floors and then the walls and, um, in terms of like windows structure, all that, like, yeah, that's all going to stay intact. So we're, we're good there. What are the laws with that? Like, isn't there like, cause I know when you, I know where I live that a lot of the houses

are not original. They have big lots and they were originally small houses and people moved in, tore the houses down and rebuilt. But aren't there laws that say like if you keep two or three of the walls. If you keep one wall, you can. What is it, like you keep one of them, then you can maintain something.

Yeah, exactly, some form of structure you can still justify. If you rebuild a whole new house, you have to resubmit all that. Okay. And then they'll have somebody come out and assess the value of the home. But if you keep one up, then you don't have to resend an assessment. Just one wall?

Yeah, just one wall. Just one, yes. So then it'll go under as like a remodel upgrade and then you don't have to have somebody come, you don't have to have the county come out and assess it. But if you have a whole new build, they'll come out and they'll assess your house and they'll be like, let's say you bought a $400,000 house. Not around here. Well, I mean, let's say it's a shithole like that. Let's say it's a total shithole. It's 400,000. But then you demolish it, rebuild up, then you rebuild a $2 million house. They'll

come out and rebuild. But let's say you leave one wall up of that $400,000 house and then you build around it a $2 million house or like attach $2 million worth of stuff to it, you can still get the house, you'll be paying property taxes on the $400,000, at least until that property assessment comes out. You know, some places in the world, I forgot where, I read about this, where you get taxed on the land, but you didn't get taxed on how tall you could make

your home or your building. Then they had to change the laws and said, if it's past a certain height, then you get taxed. That's what people do, right? They figure out the tax system or code and then they move around it. So then they have to change, you know, kind of what's going on or whatever.

Have you guys ever known anybody, I feel like you do, I feel like you'll know someone like this, Adam, that has lived on a houseboat. Have you guys ever known anybody? I know one guy that did. You do? Yeah, yeah, yeah. How does that work? So. You own a boat and what do you do? You just pay

Park there. It's part. It's literally like you pay up. You pay a boat slip. Yeah To have it for the harbor where everything's like a regular house. It's just yeah. Yeah, that's weird. Yeah Interesting really? Yeah, is that that I mean, it's I mean it's kind of enemies friend I've never known anybody who lived in a I know I like like permanently you live in I should I actually feel like I should It's not like a trailer home I would imagine Maybe huh is a lot like that exactly like that there is a water We might have talked about this before we did we did talk about this. There's a group of people Who live on like floating?

Kind of houses and they have incredible lung capacity because they've evolved to dive really deep. Was this Waterworld? No. I told you about that show. There was a TV. They were on a show. Yeah, it was called Free Diving.

It was a free diving. It was actually a really interesting. But there's literally a culture. I want to say they're in India or? Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, there's actually a lot of free diving. Yeah, there's a few places in the world where they're little groups of people that they grew up doing it and they literally have adapted. Don't they like tie these,

it's like almost like bungee bamboo cords to their ankle as they dive down. So it's like, oh, the Baijiao people, the far Eastern sea nomads. That's what it was. So the spearfish. Southern, Southeast Asia. And they evolved into sea dwelling beings with bodies that are different than, yeah, that's the one. And they're, some of them they're referred to as sea gypsies by some people. Yeah. Yeah.

We talked about them. But they have crazy lung capacity. Yeah. I brought up that, that there was a really good documentary. I forgot the name of it, but it was on all these free divers. And you brought that up. Speaking of which, have you guys ever read about, um, the incredible, uh, capabilities of like, I think they're called Sherpas, the people that take

up mountains, like crazy, crazy altitudes and where people need to pause. Stamina is insane. Yes. You need to go up and you need to pause to allow your body to acclimate. Otherwise the altitude and these dudes go up and down several times a day or we'll take people up and just not a problem. I mean, I think both these points that we're bringing up right now is just a reminder of how amazing our bodies are to adapt to their environments.

I mean, it's crazy that what we can do, like, you know, at one point all that stuff was difficult for them and then their body adapted to it, then it became like nothing. I mean, it's a lot of what we talk about when you think about it. I remember when I, well, I mean, reminds me of when I was doing my talk in Vegas and I brought up that stat that everybody always gets tripped out over.

The Hodgson tribe. Well, no, not that. I talked about how the average college-aged male's grip strength was equivalent to like a 60-year-old in like 1984 or something like that. And everybody in the audience was like, oh, but it's like, we're evolving, you know, we're changing because our lifestyles are totally changing.

I know, it's gonna be, you know, I try not to be so doom and gloom about that too, because obviously there's some things that we're obviously adapting not in a good way, like to that point. Like what are the positive adaptations that we're getting right now? Like, our ability, you have to think that there are some, some positive

things to how easy and accessible knowledge and wisdom is and like, Oh yeah. Average IQs have gone up for a long time. I don't know if it's stopped, but for a long time, average IQs. Right. Like, so there's, there's, I mean, that's a positive adaptation, right? The, the fact, I mean, I just think it's so cool that I can drive a car to work and I could also read a book at the same time in a sense. You know what I'm saying?

Like that technology wasn't there just 20 something years ago. So it's like, now, and if you can multitask like that and just, now we are at a time where literally I don't care if it's your car, your house, you need to fix something or learn to cook something or do something, it's on YouTube. Like you can literally download it, teach yourself and educate yourself. I mean, there's some, there's some really positive things to where we're adapting. It's just, I find these like natural human abilities so fascinating because

we take it like, like I said, like the Bajau people who could dive or Sherpas with their ability to handle altitude and cold. I believe Aborigines have a tremendous skill when it comes to navigating, you know, like finding their way. No, no, just finding. Just finding the way.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever, what's that skill called? I can't, not proprioception, but that apparently they have this really, really good ability to know which direction they're going or whatever because of their culture. I find that stuff like so incredibly fascinating. I also love, like I've met, I've met a couple, I met a karate instructor who was in his, let's

see, those were years ago, he might've been in his seventies, he did traditional Shotokan karate. And I knew this because I shook his hand and these two knuckles, bro, his knuckles were like this big. I mean, he's a 77 year old man. Is he doing that one inch punch with the board? They just do lots of hand, you know, and his fingers were like, like calloused and strong.

And I shook his hand and I, you know, I remember I shook his hand. It was his daughter brought him in. She was my client. And I said, uh, he's, did he do karate? And she's like, how did you, yeah. And I was like his hands. So then he was, you know and I said, did he do karate? And she's like, how did you, yeah, like his hands. So then he was, I was asking questions. Isn't that crazy?

Because I remember when I was in Muay Thai and they were like, trying to condition your shins. Oh, is that where you get the bottle and you roll it on your? Yeah, that, and then you, we would jump rope with a leather jump rope, like barefoot, like on concrete, and then so you're doing that, and I'm like, I'm just getting shin splints you know and now I take that over to the bag

that's like lumpy and brand new and needs to be broken in like break it in like ow and I'm just it's just pain but eventually like all these little micro fractures yeah heal create a stronger bond. You wonder about that later on, the people that have done it for decades, where it's like, do you bypass the arthritis because you went so far and the nerves really aren't responding, or are you gonna get a really bad version of it? Have you ever seen what the bone looks like

in some of these practitioners? Yeah, it's like changes. So when you look at bone, it's kind of like a honeycomb, right? There's like spaces of gaps there. It's like spongy in between, yeah. That's the microfractures. Happen in there, and they fill in. So you actually get a denser bone, like a full bone

without the air pockets. If you look at them side by side, it's like, holy shit. But there's a definite art to that, because if you go too far, then you create real damage. Well, it's like strength training. Send the right signal, the right appropriate amount so that your body's rebuilding its strength. Speaking of fighting, when we tied stuff like that,

you just reminded me, I found, it's on Roku, which most people have Roku already built into their TV or whatever. It's called Fight Inc. Oh, I've seen that. And they did a whole thing. Is this where they go buy each martial art and break it down?

No, no, this is Fight Inc. Oh my God. Is actually all Dana White and UFC. Oh, nevermind. And it's the business side, super good. And it's a lot of Dana White and a lot of all, just how it would, first of all, you know how much they bought it for originally?

It was cheap. Yes. They were going under. They were going under and he was like around and a part of it, right, during that time and like involved in it. And the story goes like the owner of it and stuff like that, like Dana was trying to help a fighter.

I want to believe it was Tino Ortiz get paid and they were trying, oh, I can't pay the bills, this and that, and the guy was all stressed like that. And so Dana calls up the brothers, right, and says, hey, I think we can make an offer for, you know, see there's- For Tito brothers? Yeah, they're struggling right now.

And so they offered two million and they bought it for two million. It's worth 15 billion. So he's taking it from 2 million to 15 billion. But it's the whole, this whole series was really cool is all the business side, all the behind the scenes and probably one of the coolest parts for me to have insight and see watch is like the level of stress they go through have insight and see watch is like the level of stress they go through just to put a fight together because of how many injuries and cancellations and matching things that happen. Yeah somebody not making weight. Yes so that and and just how they put those fights together and match up the right

people to make for a good show and then where they're going what what country they're currently in and like I mean there's a lot that a lot of deal making and conversations that happen behind the scenes. You know, it's so, it's so interesting. I like stuff like this, right? Cause we get to appreciate the show of it, right? And we get to critique, ah, that was as I'm bitch about our feelings of what we get.

And it's like, it's so, it's just a fraction of everything that goes into making that event. Oh, I'm sure we'd appreciate it more for sure. You get a lot of the behind the and it's like, it's so, it's just a fraction of everything that goes in to making that event that way. Oh, I'm sure we'd appreciate it more for sure. You get a lot of the behind the scenes details of like this person dropped out and then they just, you know, last second replaced. How closely when you guys were younger, because the first UFC was what, 94, I wanna say?

Yeah, I watched all of them. Did you watch them when they came out? I watched them, but no, but I watched them when they were underground and illegal. We had them on video cassettes. Right, but you got- VHS, yeah. Okay, so I was gonna say, how closely did you follow Early Days UFC?

Was it just like that, VHS? Yeah, and I was- I saw a few of the actual cage matches, because it was like- So I watched the first one when it aired on Pay-Per-View. I literally watched it, my book, my, you know, the commercial would come on, and it was that cartoon figure. Karate versus judo, savant versus whatever. And my dad, who's a martial artist. Bob Sapp, the big black guy.

He was in the original one. Now the original one, the first fight was the, I want to say, was a sumo wrestler. The Shamrocks and the Gracies. It was Hoist Gracie, Shamrock. There was a judo fighter. I remember there was a savant fighter that kicked a sumo fighter in the face and his tooth flew out. And that was the first fight where the sumo guy ran towards him and he sidestepped and fell and he got kicked in the mouth and the tooth flew out and you're like,

oh, this is real. This is some real shit right here. I think I came around 96 or 97 and we watched the previous years on cassette and got caught up and then I watched going forward. So you know my dad... I've been watching for a long time. Yeah, it came a little late and so... One thing I remember distinctly was my buddy was Richie, my friend Richie, and me and my dad and we were watching it and my dad called it. He had all the different martial arts that were out. By the way, back then, a lot of people take this for granted now because you watch MMA.

When we were kids, the martial art you thought would win would be like the flashiest... Kung Fu. Yeah, oh shit, that guy knows something, monkey kung fu. He's going to kill everybody. He's going to cry chop his neck, watch. Yeah, and my dad goes, he looks at it, he watches, he goes, oh, the Judo guy or the Jiu Jitsu guy is going to win. And I'm like, the Jiu Jitsu guy, the skinny Brazilian dude?

My dad's like, yeah, either him or the other guy is going to win. We were like, yeah, I was making fun of my dad. But you don't even know what you're talking about. Just because you did Judo, doesn't mean that's going to win. And he won. At the end, all of us were like, yeah, I was making fun of my dad. But you don't even know what you're talking about. Just because you did judo, does it mean that it's gonna win? And he won. At the end, all of us were like, okay. Something to it. I mean, it was so wild back then.

I mean, to be a fan of watching since the beginning, you talk about evolution, adaptation, stuff like that. Right, like, you know, back then it used to be, does a boxer beat a wrestler? Does a wrestler, or does a jiu-jitsu beat a judo? Does it, it used to be that. Where now you can't even break into the space unless you know, at least you gotta know everything. Yeah. You gotta be a true MMA.

Like you gotta be, it wasn't MMA at beginning. It used to be like fight styles versus each other. And then it evolved into ever going to evolve in the like man versus animal that would be Russia. Russia already does something like this, dude. I was done. Did Russia. Yeah, Russia already does stuff like this. Dude, I was done. Bro, did you see the one where there's like a fat dude against two female MMA fighters at the same time? That was funny. And anyone wanna guess who won?

I can't believe they did that. Fat dude. Yeah. It was two trained female fighters against a big fat dude. Just a fat guy. And he won. He just like ragged. I mean, okay, so I mean, all right,

this is a bit controversial. I mean, are you against that? Like if the women sign up to get paid, the man signs up to get paid, it's like a- I think that- I mean, I'm not really interested in watching it. Yes, you are. You 100% are interested in watching it.

Stop. Stop pulling him under the bus, Adam. Bro. He's like, you subscribe. Tell me there's not. You subscribe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why'd you pay for it then? I said, you liked the video before I did?

I saw your name on there. I do what you said. No way, dude. No way. That's not true. I mean, there's... I mean, it's like a train wreck, right? Yeah, you don't want to look...

Did you watch the team fighting one? Have you seen that one? The team on team? Yeah, like, six against six. Like, Royal Rumble? Do you know how... See, I like stuff like that. No, I don't.

You know why I don't like six against six? Because you think it's like a movie where they're going to be like all fighting. No, no, no. What happens is one person gets beat and now it starts to become gang up on the other guy. Gang up on it. Yeah. At the end there was like three dudes against one guy.

I'm like, this sucks. This is not cool. The poor guy's like old school gang fights. Yeah. The Russian state, they don't, I don't, okay. People are agreeing to doing it. So there's that, that's moral. I get that. Yeah, the Russians, they don't, I don't, okay, people are agreeing to doing it. So there's that, that's moral. I get that. Yeah. But I mean, it says a lot about us, like that we want to watch that shit. Well, what are we doing? It's interesting. I don't remember

why, but, um, uh, I saw this picture and I was like, wow, this is a crazy looking outfit. Like it was like all spikes. Like it was this armor yeah this ancient armor that apparently they had this armor specifically to to attack or like to prevent bear attacks so it's like they would go into the in Siberia Doug look up Siberian bear armor it's called crazy it's like spiked out like it looks scared it's like scary it's like scary. It's like something you'd see in like a torture chamber or something. Yeah. It looks like a hell raiser costume.

Totally. It looks like pinhead. So now, okay, they would wear this armor. So the bears wouldn't kill them. Yeah. I mean, they must have been living in an area that must. Siberia. Okay.

I wonder if they like actually hunt the bears. Yeah. Oh my goodness. Yeah. That's wild. They look gnarly. Hey. Let's say hell raiser. It does.. Is that like gnarly? Hey. Let's say hell raiser.

It does. Hey, that's, that's Justin's emotions right there. Hey, let me give you a hug, bro. Ah. Hey. Spike. I can't hug you. Yeah, dude, look at that.

Have you seen, speaking of bear hunting and all that stuff, have you seen what they'll put on mastiffs and stuff for stuff like that? No. They have collars that they'll put around them with spikes like that as well Wow designed to prevent them from getting killed from from bears and then they have like, you know Like chest pads even though that's spiked all over and looks nasty It actually doesn't look like it would stop a fucking bear from ripping your ripping your head right off Because when you see if you're seeing with bears a little app you're seeing with bears like fight each other

I mean, you know what their claws and teeth look like. So they're biting each other. They can rip through that easy. Easy, right? I feel like- I think it's more psychological. I think so too. I think it's like they think they feel better in that shit,

but I don't think that's stopping the bear at all. No, Doug, look up bear armor for dogs or something like that. Bear armor for dogs. Well, it's just kind of funny because too, like in Germany, there's a little Shih Tzu. That looks like an S&M dog right there.

I feel like I've seen that in San Francisco. But a little pug. That is funny. I feel like as much as we're advancing with technology, you start seeing like medieval technology making a comeback. Like, so for instance, like in Germany, they, some of the, uh, the cops, I don't know if there's a riot or what, but like they started wearing chain mail to prevent stabbing.

Yeah. Oh my God. Like, isn't that, it's just, it's weird to watch. Like in our current modern era, like now all of a sudden we're going back to armor? Dude, it's a matter of time before we have freaking robot cops, you know what I mean? Yeah. Just gonna walk in and we're gonna do the robot cop.

Yeah. Speaking of robots, dude, you see with China, so China, I swear to God, I bet you China will not allow this to be sold in their country, but they're making it for sale in other countries. They're making some of the first, so we've talked about this in old episodes, these hyper realistic sex dolls that you'll see they're made out of silicone or whatever.

They're kind of creepy looking. China is making some that are AI powered, so you'll talk with them and they'll have discussions with you and they'll respond to whatever. Like dude, this is gonna get gross and weird, man. You know, speaking of AI, we were at our live event, the VIP dinner, and was it Tommy? Was it Tommy who was to my left that was sitting next to me?

Yeah. He's the one who was in medical sales, who brought up the AI medical sales and stuff like that, all the tools, and we were talking about the ability for the dishwasher with that, and he confirmed the exact same thing that I've been saying to Sal since the beginning of all this,

which is it is not the actual task that we don't have the capability to do. That's already there. We already have that technology, but they cannot figure out. If it's a spot or if it's dirty. If it's clean or dirty. And they cannot, and that's the same,

and he was explaining that with the medical stuff with like cells and bacteria, and that's like the biggest hangup is for it to be, AI to be able to read if something is dirty, clean, or if there's bacteria or not in that area. And so that's like one of the challenges that they're having. You imagine with a robot, like the AI war, right? They're, oh, they're coming for us.

What are we going to do? And then we're like, I know, let's just dress like dirty dishes. They won't know. We found their weakness. You cannot compute. I can't not. Dude, well, I mean, um, Elon's pretty confident in these Tesla bots.

Like within the next, I don't know, those 10 years or Well, there is I don't want one. I mean, obviously do with it. Obviously we've had this crazy chores. Yeah, as you say, we've had this except for dishes, right? So we've had this big, we've had this big claiming it. So like, I mean, I'd love to hear him explain it to you. I mean, I think they put the dishes away and stuff like it's going to be exactly. Yeah, it's going to be able to do the laundry, which is a huge thing about just the folding laundry nothing's folding your laundry for you and that stacks up especially a bunch of kids like do you think about how much time

that would save or even just putting dishes away in my house that's like the the least favorite thing for me i say so it'd be like it's it's only be like anywhere from like 40 to 60 thousand dollars like you could like it's gonna be less than like a car and then even work his way down towards 20 is his goal. Let me ask you guys this. Let's say you have one of these robots, a Tesla bot, and it's your assistant in your house. Do you talk to it nicely or are you like an asshole to it?

Nice, of course. You don't want them to immediately revolt. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, if it- If it- I thought about the same thing. I should probably be quiet. I mean, I can think of a handful of things that if it, if it, if it. I thought about the same thing, like I should probably be cool. I mean, I can think of a handful of things

that if it's doing it in your house, imagine if it's just always cleaning up and picking up, like picking up the toys and straightening, dusting, wiping the counters. Dot P's is like. Putting the dishes away, folding your laundry. I mean, that would be pretty cool. Do you put them away?

It was that sophisticated. Do you make them leave the room when you're having sex with your wife? Are you like, hey, just leave the room please? Or is he gonna choose to be in the little hand room? He would have his own bedroom, he would not be in our room. Okay, so you won't let him be in the room. Yeah, it would not be in our room.

Incorporate him. Yeah. I'm sure you can program it to have boundaries like that. Your will is my command. Yeah, I mean, I can't wait to see. Well, Don, you can cuddle with her, I'm out of here. I can't wait to see how sophisticated this is, because I just, I would think that the training portion, uh,

and get it to figure it all out would be, would be such the process. Don't you think so? Like, cause so many. So let's say all of us have a Tesla bot, dude, just getting people comfortable with it. Can we get them to fight each other? Would that be kind of fun? Huh? You bring yours, I bring mine. Yeah, dude, pit, pit them up. I can upgrade mine.

Hey, dude, let's have our bots wrestle. Yeah, this is what we don't want to hear or talk about. People hacking their bots and then to where they fight and do things. Fight each other. What could go wrong? Yeah, what could go wrong with that, right?

That's not a bad idea. It's like racing our cars, you know what I mean? Bro, did you just upgrade your bot? Kick the shit out of the way. So this is supposed to be ready when? When is it, he's claiming in the next year or two, right? I think so. Yeah, I think it was like a five year projection.

And 40,000 is gonna be, you know, it depends on like, cause. In today's dollars or five years from now dollars? I know, 40,000 is not a lot for something that actually does a lot of these things you're saying. I mean, if you just did those people that. You hired an assistant, it would cost you more than that. Assistant, a house cleaner. For a year. Someone who's does a lot of these things. You're saying, I mean, if you just did them, those people that you hired an assistant will cost you more than assistant, a house cleaner, or someone is cleaning your house every two weeks.

If they live there and did all that all the time, it would be more than that for a year. I just don't, I can't imagine it being that good. Could it be that good already? No way. I don't know, man. No way. It's going to do something stupid and not work. Like to me, it's going to be like, it takes the trial. It rolls the trash cans out. It's like, it does some like real basic ass shit. You're like, I've been 40 grand for that trash cans out. It's like, it does some like real basic ass shit. You're like, I paid 40 grand for that. To me, it's typical tech, dude.

It's like, they'll come out with like the most convincing video. And then later you find out it's like all like just you get generated and like Photoshopped and like, you know. That's what I think. Manipulated. It's gonna be like this. It's not even really that capable yet. It'll put the dishes away for you, but you spend 30 minutes programming it

to put the dishes away. Like this dish goes to here and then you got to do all the it's like I could have just fucking did the did it myself we're still at like the amusement park robot capability you know like the ones that Chuck E Cheese yeah hey did you guys by the way there was some fake news that got me yesterday dude so bad Did you see Justin Timberlake got so this parts real he got pulled over and got a DUI Yeah, no, okay, so he got a DUI you party hard in the Hampton But listen, dude, listen, bro

This article went crazy on social media and I'm like I almost bought it and I'm like, wait a minute and then I Had to go and confirm wasn't true. So someone took that. He actually has a DUI, it's a picture of him, he got caught. It looks like he's drunk. This is that this truly did this. This is real. Yeah. But the article comes out and says he tested positive for molly, coke, cocaine, poppers, and then a drug called Truvada. Truvada you take to reduce your risk of getting HIV. Basically it's like, it's like the gay cocktail of drugs. So that's what everybody's sharing. Like, oh my god, what was he taking all this stuff for?

And I read it and I'm like, oh, I sent it to Justin. He's like, what the fuck? I looked it up, wasn't true. Yeah, no, he was just drunk. What, man, see? Why, why? Bro, fake news goes crazy. I wonder who put that out there.

You know what their motivation was. Obviously, it was a joke. It was a satire site, but just goes to show you the times how crazy things are where satire, you gotta be like, wait, is that real? Or are we? It seems plausible. Well, I think the most brilliant thing of what people do this stuff is that they attach to something that is true. So then that you get that. That's right. Because you did get a DUI.

Yeah. You look up real quick to Justin Timberlake, a DUI, and it says, yes. You're like, oh my God, that must be true too. Cause they pair it with that. First thing I was like, doesn't that violate some sort of HIPAA like individual, like unless there was like a murder or something, you wouldn't have a toxicology report of all of your, the drugs that you're in your system. Do you just hear that you were like alcohol is the only one that can really

reveal. That's what made me, that's why I was like, that's what made me question it. Cause at first I'm like, Oh my gosh, I can't believe it and I sent it to Justin and then like later on I'm like, wait a minute How do we get all these but still I heard about poppers and stuff. So I was like Like I've heard this six of my clients are a little revealing with their like weekend activities I was always like else to TMI So I was like, oh wow, that's wild. You would tell me all kinds of stuff. Yeah.

Hey, speaking of parties, speaking of parties, how excited are you guys to do the up and coming NCI event at the Tahoe House? That's going to be great. Really in-depth training with these coaches. It's going to be really, really good. Yeah, there's only, so we only, they only have 10 spots available. Actually, there's only, so, we only, they only have 10 spots available.

Actually, there's only, there was only eight when I got the announcement, so I have no idea how two sold before I even officially brought it up. But the idea is that it's a three-day event. You have two different dates that you can choose to do your deep dive on your business. So we're gonna do five people on one day, five people on another day, and it's us,

plus it's Jason, Jason Phillips and his team, right? So it's a combination of them and us going real deep on your business. Everybody that's done these with NCI in the past always come out of these saying they're so much out of it. Yeah, unbelievably worth it for their business. Yeah, people, Jason has all kinds of stats.

It's all in person with us and Jason Phillips. And so we wanted to combine forces and we wanted to make it a little more fun. And so the idea was we're going to do this deep dive. We're going to do it at the mind pump house, the trucky taco house, which is on a PGA course. Those that know that Jason's a big golfer, you have an option on one of the days to golf with him. You also have the option to do a workout with us inside of our home, home gym then.

And then we also have a chef coming in and doing a five star, five course type of dinner with us where it'll be served all night. And then we have the bar and drinks and stuff. And so it's gonna be fun. So it'll be a chance to hang out with us, a chance to go real deep in on the business. There is only 10 spots,

so it'll probably go pretty fast. I doubt we'll probably be announcing this more than once or twice. It's mindpumpnci.com is where you can. And I'm pumped, I'm excited to do this. This will be so much fun. Real quick, Adam, do you remember, I just wanna see if you have a good memory,

do you remember schnibbles? Schnibbles. Yeah, we talked about this. Is that a dog food commercial? No. No. This is a real word. This is a real word.

When you were gone, Justin and I were having fun on the podcast. We went deep in the schnibbles and glitter. We didn't have you to rein us in. Yeah. And that's the name. Snibbles are what they called glitter, little bits of glitter that would fall off when they would produce certain things.

Before glitter was glitter? Yeah, it was snibbles. So why the change? Because then they said, hey, we could sell these leftovers. And they turned it into a- Oh, wait, so snibbles was the leftover of what? It was like through a manufacturing process of something plastic, a. Oh, wait, wait, wait. So Schnibbles was the leftover of what? It was like through a manufacturing process of something plastic, something.

Oh, so that's interesting. So it was like, they used to. I just think the name is hilarious. Well, that's what's so funny about this. So they used to do something, probably making a product. And they created a mess. Yeah, and then there was a mess of stuff.

And they could sell that. That's what they did. That was shiny mess. I mean, so I'm always fascinated and I love, I mean, maybe that's the this is also why this works with us because I think we're all kind of similar this way like it's like whey protein. I know that's not I mean, I mean, like, I love like, people that made something that we like the person who started like who invented the paperclip. Yeah, filthy rich though guarantee it. Who invented the little umbrellas that go inside the fucking drinks that everybody puts in? There's somebody who created something like that that is not known by their name,

but is uber wealthy and successful and probably generational wealth. And none of us know. Look that up, who invented the paperclip? That's a good question. Could you patent that? Did it have a patent at one point? I think so.

I feel like somebody patented to this plastic part of the. What is it called? Yes. England? England? England? Somebody invented that. Yeah.

Something like that. Yeah. So I just, I love entrepreneurs that think like that, that aren't look cheap. Cause especially in today's day, right? Today's age, so much of entrepreneurship is not real entrepreneurship. It's actually more people seeking attention

and wanting fame. Yeah, wanting to be a Gary Vee. Where it's like, I'm more attracted to like the brilliant business minds that. You're right, look at that. In 1899, it was invented by, what's his name? Johann Wehler. Johann Wehler.

He was an employee at a patent office in Oslo when he created his design and received a patent. He patented a similar design in a patent office in Oslo when he created his design and received a patent. He patented a similar design in the United States in 1901, but his version was less practical than other paper clips already on the market. Interesting. Oh yeah, look at his paper clips, all square.

Yeah, square paper. Do you guys ever do that in class when you were kids? You get the paper clip, you bend it in a particular way. Or you unravel it and then you make some some kind of, you know, hook and... Oh, we used to do this. We used to take the paper clip. We used to take the paper clip, undo it all the way, and then you make it like a V, and then you take tape,

and you reinforce it towards like, got weight to it, and then it makes a perfect... Oh, I did that, yeah. That's dangerous. Then you... No, no, you guys didn't do the thing where... You rubber band and shoot them? That's hard. That hurts. I'm talking didn't do the thing where. Rubber band and you shoot them. That hurts.

I'm talking about where you bend it in a particular way, then you make the metal pieces press on each other and you let it go and eventually the metal pieces and it jumps. So you leave it on a desk and walk away and it goes, bing. Yeah, that's a good time. Anyway, speaking of entrepreneurs in business,

so Caldera made a sunscreen for the face, mineral-based, great, there's a lot of mineral-based ones out there, but you know what I like that they did? They included compounds in their sunscreen that are all designed to reduce inflammation and to have antioxidant properties and reduce the damage that UV rays can cause on the face. So yeah, like Nettle, yarrow, winter cherry,

there's red algae, beta carotene. So these are all botanicals that protect the skin from damage from the sun, on top of having the sunscreen effects of the, you know. What's the SPF on these, do you know? 30. 30, yeah. But look, I'm gonna tell you something. Now, is it, is art, Sal, aren you know? 30. 30, yeah. But look, I'm gonna change it.

Now, aren't, Sal, aren't most mineral-based ones the ones that leave the white film on it? They can, but theirs is really good. No, theirs doesn't, that's why I'm asking that. A lot of them do. Isn't that right, Doug? Don't always the... Makes like a white sheen.

Yeah, most of them leave a white haze on your face. Yeah. But this one actually rubs in. I actually have it on right now. You do? Do you wear it every day? Most every day, yeah. Really?

Yeah. I mean, it sounds like it would be beneficial to wear, even if you're not planning to lay out in front of the sun, it sounds like it's got benefits to just rocking it no matter what. In my experience, I don't use a lot of sunscreen, but the mineral-based ones, like when I put them on my kids, versus the chemical-based ones,

they're way more effective at stopping sunburn. They work really well. Way more effective. Well, you know way more effective at stopping sunburn. They work way more effective. Well, you know where I'm always conscious, it's the back of my ears and my neck. If I was consistent about it, that's where I would target almost every day. Yeah, I've seen the back of your neck. Is that where the term redneck came from? Yeah. Probably.

Of course. White dudes getting red sunburn. Of course. Of course. And you're working on a farm, you tan. You know, I just literally piece that together right now. Really? Unbelievable.

I'm kind of embarrassed. Yeah, you sure, right? That makes sense. Yeah. Rednecks. Oh, my bad. But anyway, it's a good idea to use those compounds because the skin adapting to the sun, that's natural.

Obviously don't want to sunburn. But if you do get a little bit of sunburn, those botanicals reduce the damage that is caused to the sun, that's natural. Obviously don't want a sunburn. But if you do get a little bit of a sunburn, those botanicals reduce the damage that is caused from the sunburn. Look at you with the science today. I like it. Every day. Bring in the science.

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Felt like, felt like I, my whole body was messed up. So didn't compete anymore. 2019. I think my body just got back to normal. I dropped like 30 pounds that year doing just what I had been doing. So the question I'm, I decided to try some Megalotide and I don't want to be on it long. I wanted to give it a go and see how things went, just drop like a little bit. But the question I have is what's the right way to wean off of it?

Cause what I'm thinking in my mind, I'm getting all these scary flashbacks of like, what if it's like coming off prep and my body's all mixed up and it, you know, hunger comes back crazy. Um, want to avoid that 100%. So is it something where you'd be like a reverse diet type thing coming off? What do you guys think? Um, are you, so you're working with a doctor with, uh, through this? Have you talked to them about what their recommendation is for coming off?

No. So I'm doing like the, the compound, um, stuff from online. Okay, research, you're doing research chemical or are you going, is it prescription? It's prescription. Okay, okay. I'm just asking so I want to make sure that you have a doctor that you can, that has prescribed it, that you can consult with. You know, from what I've seen up until now, and there's not a lot out yet in terms of how someone would come off. It makes sense just based off of, uh, when I've worked with people who've come off of, you know, dieting or whatnot, to have a scheduled kind of reverse out.

So that you're not kind of left out into the wilderness like, okay, now what do I do? So it does make sense to move out of it with a kind of a reverse diet type of approach. Did you listen to our episode with Dr. Tina recently? I did actually, yeah. Okay. So she, you know, talking with her, she does put people on really low doses, even for maintenance. And that might be another option to where you kind of scale it down, even for maintenance. And that might be another option to where you kind of scale it down,

reverse diet and move out of it in a way to where it doesn't feel like you're going from one end of the, you know, one extreme to the other. Now, one thing to consider is the, whatever you're doing now, while on it, if it's something that you can conceive as being maintainable or sustainable later, then it probably will be. But if everything's so strict right now and everything's so scheduled right now that you look at it and you go, yeah, I would

never live this way, it's going to make it much more difficult when you come off. So in other words, whatever you're doing now needs to feel somewhat realistic to you, and I can't answer this for you, as a way for you to come off or be later on. Now I'm assuming the reason why you did the up and down in the past, and I'm assuming because I've seen this so many times, is prep is so crazy strict. It's so neurotic. It's so planned.

It's so measured. It's so insane that when you're done, and it's motivated by the fact that you have a date, you have a show. I got a show, and so what ends up happening psychologically is here's the end date, after the end date, I'm done with this insane structure. So what you don't wanna do is have that same mentality with your GLP-1.

In other words, okay, I'm gonna use this until next month or whatever your date is, don't look at that as like a target. When I'm done with that, I'm going to use this until, uh, you know, next month or whatever your date is. Don't look at that as like a target. When I'm done with that, I'm done. Like I'm going to be done with this. It's more like, let me look forward to what that's going to look like. Let me look forward to moving into, uh, developing a different relationship with food, which by the way, starts now.

It's all going to start now. And again, from my conversations with Dr. Tina and Dr. Seeds, it does seem to improve the ability for people to develop new behaviors. Partially, I think because old behaviors are not reinforced, so because of the appetite controlling effects and some of the neural anti-inflammatory effects, you're probably not engaging in old behaviors.

So those neural connections start to weaken just because you're not practicing them. But through that process, try to develop new ones so that when you come off, you can move into a different direction. Otherwise, you'll strengthen the old ones that you had before. K, just out of curiosity, why did you want to do this? I mean, you have a competitive background, so I know you understand nutrition and diet really well. You're not really that high weight-wise and body fat percent-wise.

What's the desired outcome of using something like this? Yeah, I just wanted to just drop a few pounds, right? Get another boost, kind of maintain from there. Like I said, I don't want to be on it very long. I'm on a pretty low dose, I think right now that I'd like to not go more than. So just to kind of bring it down a little bit and see where I could go from there. Because you're right, I do have a healthy background. Like, I'm not doing anything now that I haven't been doing already for the most part. So it's because I have the knowledge is why I thought I'd be a good candidate for it because it isn't anything too extreme except for the fact that, you know, my hunger is being regulated

by that. What are you noticing from being on it right now? Just a lack of appetite suppression. It's not crazy. I can still, I get hungry. It's not like I'm eating so low calorie, but I do notice just less of an urge to eat sometimes. Okay. And how does that feel to you to have that feeling be somewhat blunted?

And then also, what was it like before? What did it feel like before? Um, before, like, like I said, it's, I haven't had what happened after prep was a long time ago and things have normalized from there. Um, but it was, you know, just some days you go through chunks where you're just way more hungry, other chunks, you feel like you get a little more normal. Um, right now it just, it just feels nice. Just nice to not have days where you're just some days you're more hungry or more snacky or whatever. It just feels really normal, I guess.

Was it, was it, was it an impulsive type hunger that you had felt before? Not recently from prep. Yeah. Like shortly after that, but not, not currently. No. How long ago was that that you got out of prep and went through that? 2017. Okay. And that sounds, it sounds like that stuck with you, that experience, that post prep out of control feeling.

Yeah. Yeah. It was, that was not good. No, no. This is why we, we, this is why we almost always, um, talk people out of competing. No, this is why we almost always talk people out of competing because you are literally putting yourself in the psychological perfect storm for dysfunction. And it is traumatizing, which it sounds like it was to you, which is not, by the way, uncommon. Most people who've experienced that come out of it, at least people who are open

will talk about how traumatic it was like, oh my god I can't believe how I felt either during prep or while I was in it and looking back or post show the out-of-control feeling that You know that people experience But since then did you did you still have those or was it just the memory of that post show? Like how long did that, did that last for you that after the show kind of out of control feeling?

Yeah, that was when, so in 2019 is kind of, so two years after it is when I said that year, just all of a sudden it like things went back to normal and I lost weight easily just living my life. So that whole two years was kind of like lingering from prep. That's why I didn't compete anymore because I'm like, I can't keep going through like this yo-yo thing. So, so yeah, since 2019, I felt normal. Okay.

So I'm going to look, I'm going to speak from personal experience, Kay, cause I, uh, you know, I'm not, um, shy about this, or I should say, I've communicated this quite a bit on the shows, you show. I struggle with this for most of my life, just this back and forth relationship with exercise and my body. Sometimes it's better, sometimes it's worse. Oftentimes for me at least, things that can be used the right way can trigger me and move me in the

wrong direction. I've actually identified that peptides can do this for me as well. So I can use peptides for recovery or for this or for that. And then I start to get in the cycle of now I'm moving more towards body obsession. And so that can trigger that for me. So I would keep that, just kind of think about that because it sounds like you got out of it. Sounds like you came out of it, you did well, and now you're on a GLP-1 and what you don't want to do is trigger those old feelings because now you're like, cool, I feel free from whatever, this natural feeling of hunger, and then, oh my God, what's going to happen when I go off? And that sounds familiar.

It sounds a little familiar to what you kind of did before. Whereas before it was prep, post show, now it's on a peptide, off a peptide. Does that make sense? Yeah. It doesn't really sound helpful for you right now, in my opinion. I'm with Justin, I think Sal's being really sweet

and nice to you right now. Yeah, I don't think you should be on it. I don't think you're the right person for this. Just what your reasoning behind why you wanna do it is to me not even the right reason for you to be doing this. Sounds like a discipline thing. Yeah, and it sounds like I know you have that.

I think that this is more body image relationship type stuff that needs to be worked on more than it is a quick hack to losing 10 pounds off real quick. Nothing you've expressed so far to me. If you're my client, I should say, and by the way, I have clients that I still talk to that of course have asked all about this, you would fall in the category. The ones that I'd be like, this is, this is not for you, not, not for your fitness

journey and where you're at, like everything I'm hearing, it's like, it's this, I want to use it so I can get lean real quick, or just drop a few pounds. It's like this to me, if I'm recommending my client, I have family too that I've told I don't want on it, and I have other family that I said it's okay with. If you recognize you have like this bad relationship with food and you're trying to break the chains

from the relationship that you have with food, and this is a tool that you use to journal and figure that out and to replace it with better habits. But I don't hear that from you. I hear someone who's just like, hey, I want to lose a few pounds. And like, this is just, all this is going to do is suppress your appetite. And then it's going to come back when you get off. And then you're right back to square one again.

And if the driver is purely aesthetics in the way you look, I don't know. I'm just not a fan of that. I need to know more. We've only been talking for a few minutes, so I don't know enough about you to be like super for sure or harsh about something. But everything I'm hearing right now, you would not be someone to be like, you know what we should do? We should do some GLP ones.

Like, I just don't, that doesn't strike me. You don't strike me as the right candidate to do this. Yeah. Yeah. You just, I mean, you sent a picture of yourself. You're obviously fit, you're obviously strength trained. You're far, you're in a category. Now, there are anti-inflammatory effects,

neural inflammatory effects. Right, and if she said that, I would say. Autoimmune issue effects. If she was saying that, I would be okay with it, right? Right, right, and if she said that I would say. Autoimmune issue effects. If she was saying that I would be okay with it, right? Right, right, so what I'm saying is that there's definitely people who look like you, who are fit like you, who can also use low dose GLP-1s for some other effects, but not for fat loss or weight loss.

And I'm afraid that it's actually gonna push you into what you're afraid of, or what you're fearing. In fact, I feel like that's why you called us, is because you're like, how do I get off this? What do I do when I get off? I would do it slowly. I would do it mindfully and I'd be very, very honest with myself throughout the process. I think journaling will help because you could trigger, and it sounds like you are a little bit triggering what you already went through post competition by using this, because now the question's like,

oh my God, what do I do when I get off? Is it gonna all come back? Is what happened before gonna happen again is what it sounds like? I wanna give you some K that I said, so we had somebody in our audience that we just had a live event and not the exact same question, but what I think you might be challenged with is is really

Defining your why of why you exercise why you work out And then making sure that aligns with your behaviors and your choices that you make around that a lot of times people be like Oh, I want to be healthy and I want to be this, I want to be that. And then they say that. And then they are like, but I want to know how to lose like this next 3% or 10. It's like, wait a second. You said it was about your kids and being healthy and longevity, but then like you're concerned about 4% or 5% body fat. You're in good shape. You're not in bad shape at all. It sounds like there's a body image issue and you tell yourself one thing, but then the behaviors and the things you're doing don't necessarily align

with that. And I'm not saying that's you. I'm just saying this is an exercise that I would do, which is really define what your why is, why you do all this, what's kept you in the gym for as long as it's kept you in the gym. And then ask yourself like is taking semi-glutide or whatever XYZ thing that I'm doing Does it truly align with that? And if it's not then to me there's other work to be done there That means that I'm still doing things that are gonna fall into old behaviors Or there's something else within this health fear that I need to work on. Yeah, just so you just you know to be clear too These challenges can come from

So just to be clear too, these challenges can come from body image issues. I don't look good enough, but they can also come from control issues where I don't feel in control of whatever life, relationship, work, or something from, you know, just a feeling that you have. And so sometimes exercise and diet are a way to control things. And so those are typically the top two things that I would look at and say, what is this giving me or what am I looking for from this? Is it control or is it because I don't feel like I look good enough? And if that's the case, then some agglutide is not going to help at all.

And if anything, it'll make things worse. So that's what I would consider with that. there's the semi-agglutide is not going to help at all. And if anything, it'll make things worse. So that's what I would, that's what I would consider with that. But as far as coming off as concerned, um, I would consult with, uh, an expert, uh, with your doctor. Um, again, this is just based off of the, the conversations that we've had with experts. And I would, I would probably do it slowly and I'd be mindful as I came out of it so that it doesn't feel like such a light switch

on off type of deal. Cause that could be very jarring if that makes any sense. K, are you in our forum? Are you following any programs of ours? What are you currently doing? No, actually I'm not. But I just do like a five day split at the gym basically. Let's put you in our forum. Yeah. can, so that we could, we could talk with

you and you go in there and comment and tag us so we could walk through this process, uh, of what's going on and, and, you know, how you can come out of it. And you can see, you know, there's a lot of really good coaches and trainers in there and we have some doctors in there as well. My recommendation too, I'd like to give her a program. And if you are willing to listen to us, I'd like to move you away from the body part split, body building type of thought process and challenge you with something different that's more performance related to get you out of the thinking about aesthetics mindset.

I mean, from the little bit we know known, like we know each other right now, and if you were a client of mine, this is the direction I think I would be trying to move you, because I think you seem to be a pretty healthy fit person already. You can tell you work out, and you've been doing it for a long time, so very clear.

Yeah, and so I think if you were my client, I would want you to move away from this body part split and us judging the success of your workout by five or 10 pounds off of you or how you look in the mirror or your muscles and be more like, let's talk about performance, talk about health, let's talk about strength, let's talk about mobility, let's talk about some things that encompass health for you and let's start moving you in that direction. So I would love like, I don't know.

Power lift. Yeah, power lift, strong. What else would be a, I don't know. Yeah. Power lift strong. Uh, what else would be a really good one that we have that's different old time strength? I mean, if any of those, have you ever trained, uh, uh, really focused on, on the big three, the big three lifts. Oh yeah. Yeah, for sure. I never power lifted like strictly, but I'm, I still try to go for PR as I try to lift heavy. Okay, good. You'll like maps power lift. Yeah. And it'll be good because Okay. Good. You'll like MAPS Power Lift. Yeah, that's a good match. And it'll be good because you'll be focused on your performance, which is a great way

to, it's a great way to move your gaze. Like I take my gaze off of how I look onto performance while I go through this process. And I'm going to tell you, just because I'm going to sell it to you, because I think this is important, at the end of this process, you're probably going to look better than you've ever looked because you moved in that direction. And you did say earlier in 2019, the weight came off and everything was relaxed. You just felt you were just living your life. That's what we're looking for.

And I think that moving towards performance and doing some of the stuff that we're talking about, being in that form, I think we can do that again, get you out of this head space into a more relaxed position. And with the base that you've built, I mean, you're very fit, you look great, your body fat percentage is very healthy. I think you'll be very happy with how you look, but I don't want you to focus on how you look. I know that sounds contradictory, but.

Oh, the irony is it'll move you forward even further than you thought you could go. So that's the thing. It's just, you know, just a new mentality to kind of operate from. And I think that'll be super helpful. Let's send, let's send you Maps PowerLift to get that for free. And then we're going to put you in the forum and then tag us, get in there, tag us.

Let's follow along and see, and see if we can, if we can get you back to that place. All right. That's awesome. All right, Kay. Thank you, Kay. All right. Thanks.

Sometimes a little harsh. Terrible. I mean, well, you were very nice. Well, look, there's no other way to be. We haven't, I'm a call. I know. I can't, we're not training her. But she, listen, this is my fear with these.

A hundred percent. This is the perfect example. This is where, this is the, the abuse, uh, that can, that is going to occur where you're going to have someone at 23% body fat sculpted and fit who's going to use a GLP one to to have someone at 23% body fat sculpted and fit, who's going to use a GLP-1 to drop that extra whatever 4% body fat.

This is where I am not a fan of GLP-1s. Now for autoimmune issues, inflammation, when you're talking about people who are obese, who, you know, they've got these just really, really difficult to break behaviors. I get it. But in this case, someone's been working out for a long time, was fit, was doing good, was like,

I wanna drop an extra stubborn, whatever. No, I don't like that. And it's gonna push her back to what she, what she's in her biggest fear. That's not her challenge, right? It's not even her challenge. It really isn't the few, you know, I'm glad we got this call because, you know,

we've been talking a lot about GLP-1s and peptides and the benefits and all the positive stuff with that And I've seen some of the feedback in the forum of people thinking like we're just all pro now. They're pushing peptides It's like no, that's not the case. We're very curious interested in it. There's an incredible science surrounding it It's been life-changing for some people But it does not mean by all means that we're going to recommend it to everybody. The abuse potential, because it's effective, is high. Yes. And she's a perfect case of somebody when I'm listening to what's going on, which this is not for you. This is not... And there's going to be a lot of people

that are attracted to that. And if I didn't make it clear before, I definitely want to make it clear that my intent of going through it was not because I thought I I'm going to use it to lose a couple of 10, the last 10 pounds, because a lot of people ask, why did I do it? Well, I did it purely as an experiment to know, and I did it like not thinking like a trainer. I did not want to try, I didn't care about body, that's why I didn't test body fat percentage,

even though everybody kept asking that, because I didn't care. I just wanted to know what it felt like to take that, and then what it did to my appetite, what it did to my mood, did it do anything to my behavior so I could communicate that to the audience. Not because I think I'm a good candidate for this whatsoever.

So I know that we're gonna eventually get more and more people like this. I wanna make that clear that this is not, we don't think it's for everybody at all. That's not it. There's other things we need to work on here. Our next caller is Ashley from Kentucky. Hi, Ashley.

Good morning. Hi, guys. How are y'all? We're doing good. How are you? I am fantastic. Oh my gosh. Like my boys would say, this is like best day ever.

I'm so excited to talk with y'all. All right. How can we help you? First off, thank you guys for all that you do. I love your show. I love the wealth of information you put out there and I'm just so appreciative for y'all being here and sharing everything Thank you. So my question is in regards to the cold plunge

How often do you guys recommend a person doing that for optimal health? What's the desired outcome of it? So just out of curiosity what made you go hey I want to try this or I want to do this why are we leaning towards that? I'm a fan of it by the way but I'm just curious what drove you that way? Yeah absolutely I engage in regular weightlifting I love lifting weights I love being strong and therefore a period of time earlier in the year, I was on the edge of over training.

And so I added the cold showers. I started with cold showers before I invested in ice bath. And I noticed that it was really helping with recovery and muscles not hurting as bad and just feeling better. And I backed down my training and I was being good there. And so I just kept with it because it just felt good. And I noticed that increase in energy and just overall just feeling good. So I was, I'm doing it daily, but I was like, what is recommended for optimal health?

It depends on the individual. So it would be contraindicated for somebody who is under a lot of stress, not getting good sleep, and someone who's using it as a way to kind of power through an overstressed type of lifestyle. So when I say those things, like how was your stress, how was your sleep? Would your friends and family describe you as a type A cortisol junkie? Or do you feel like you're pretty balanced? I'm definitely a fitness junkie. I have to really pull myself back. I had in the beginning of the year up until May 18th I was training for my first competition a bodybuilding

competition I did that a month ago so there again is another reason why I was on the edge of over training and using any method I could to help with recovery and just feeling good but since then you know in the last four weeks I've really focused on just you know just, just being healthy, being strong, and just feeling good. So training has cut back calories have increased sleep is great and stress levels, I feel like are great. The only thing that truly stresses me out is my seven year old and he

has made me a devil. Okay. Actually, what, what programs of ours have you followed? I have followed and about anabolic and um, I was the one that comes after and performance performance. No, not performance. It was the shredded summer. Okay.

So aesthetics. Yes. I've done both of that. Do you have, do you have caffeine throughout the day? I have, yes you I've done both of that. Do you have caught do you have caffeine throughout the day? I? Have yes, I do a prime energy drink whenever I get right going for my lip Okay, so, you know, I don't know it says in the question by the way you do ten-minute cold plunge. Is that true? Yes, that's I've worked my way up to ten minutes I started out like I said just running just the cold shower water after I wash my hair and whatnot and standing there for what I would guess would be three minutes.

I don't know. I didn't have a timer. So then I invested in ice bath and then I started three minutes worked up to six and worked up to 10. Okay. And then do you fast? No. Okay.

Good. Okay. So this is, this is not most people with, with cold plunge, but people can develop, no joke, I've read about this, an addiction to cold plunging because of the catecholamine release, the dopamine, all the norepinephrine, epinephrine type feelings. And when you push it too often, I'm not saying you are, although I think you might be close to it. When you push it too often, you start to down-regulate receptors and it starts to become kind of like this. If I don't do it, I'm dragging ass type of deal.

If that's what's happening, if you notice if you miss a day that you're like, oh my God, I'm so tired. I need the cold plunge. Then I'd say you might be doing it too much where you're pushing too much. Now from a recovery standpoint, I will say this, whatever recovery boost you get from cold plunge, you'll get far better results simply from reducing the volume and intensity of your work.

That's why I went to ask you about your programs, because I think the answer lies in that, and I'd be pushing you towards a Maps 15 type of program. I'm not against the cold plunging, but for the reasons that you like it for the recovery aspect is a signal to me that we're probably over, especially since you admit that that's kind of where you lean anyways.

So to me, it's like, oh, you know that about yourself. You already kind of over-trained. Oh, this cold plunge is making you feel better recovery wise, but really what it's kind of doing is just putting a bandaid on the over-training. It's like you're still probably pushing yourself more than you need to, or too much volume or intensity. And that, so the, and the cold plunge is allowing you to do that.

And that's why you feel better. And so that's why we keep doing it. So that's where I would address. And now I'm not against cold plunger. I think doing something hard like that first thing in the morning, there's a lot of other benefits besides the recovery. In fact, that's what I'd want to hear more of is like, I mean, I love the energy that you get from it like that.

You talk about starts your day off, right? Doing something hard every morning like that, I think has a lot of benefits. But for doing it for the recovery reasons is a sign to me that our training is our intensity, volume isn't right, and we need to figure that piece out. Otherwise, we're not really your results will be better if I can solve that for you. Like so with potentially less effort and work. So I would recommend a MAPS 15 advanced version because you've been

lifting for a while. I think you'll benefit from that protocol. The cold plunging, I'm okay. I'm not against it. I just, the reasons why you're enjoying it so much for the recovery purpose is not what I would want. That's the only thing. Yeah and if you start to feel like the cold plunge feels addictive, like I said, or if you don't do it, your energy drops considerably below baseline, then you may need to back off a little bit and allow your body to kind of reacclimate. Cold therapy, hot therapy is a stress on the body. So although it does have the side effect

of reducing inflammation and thus potentially speeding up recovery if you're over inflamed, although we did say there's a better way to do that, it is a stress on the body as well. And so you find, for example, with people. You don't want to totally eliminate inflammation either as that's the signal for you to you know provide that signal for muscle building to occur. And when a functional medicine

practitioner for example like Dr. Cabral right if he sees somebody with HPA axis dysfunction they used to call that adrenal fatigue back in the day he would say do not do hot. He told Doug you can't do it told Doug no cold punch for Doug. So if you're like that like you know like I said go go go make things hard and tense you know type of individual then it may be contraindicated but the problem with that is me telling you if that's you it's like it feels good when I do it though. Well yeah it feels good because your baseline is low. Your baseline is low because your receptors are so hammered from this, you know, constant, uh, you know, you know, pushing out of catecholamines and stuff like that.

So I can't answer that for you. You need to answer that for yourself. But if you, if you notice like when I don't use it, it's like coffee, like, you know, coffee's great. But if you start to get in the place where if I don't have my coffee in the morning, I'm a zombie all day, then that's a sign that we need to reduce caffeine intake. I mean, actually I would, I want, uh, I want to give you maps 15 if you don't have it already, so I want to give you that.

And then, then the other recommendation I would have is actually get into our holistic health forum and go in there and, uh, and reach out to some of the professionals there, kind of express what you're expressing to us right now and see what Dr. Cabral and his team say, uh, to Sal, what the worst Sal to us right now and see what Dr. Cabral and his team say to Sal, where Sal's leaning right now because real easily we could do a blood panel and get some numbers back and see if you do fall in that category like Doug did where you know he says don't do the yeah Dr. Cabral literally told Doug don't do the the cold plunge it's not right for you for where your cortisol

levels are and your type of personality, it's not doing you any favors. So he's been told not to. So for what Sal's leaning at, you potentially could be that. So I know I said, oh, I'm all for it. I am all for it unless that's the situation. And so it may be worth your time

to find that out about yourself. And in the meantime, let's definitely switch to a MAPT-15. So if I wanted to do the blood panel and check the cortisol levels, is that something I would go to my primary care physician and request? No, you do it all through them. They send you a kit. They'll take care of it.

Yeah. You can do it all from home too. They'll send you a kit and you just do it from home. You just mail it back to them. Yeah. If you go to your primary care and ask for a cortisol test and to see if your HPA access is balanced, they're going to look at you like they're like you're, like you just spoke Chinese or something.

Okay. Thank you. Yeah. You got it. And I'll have, I would be more than happy to be in that forum. Yes. Awesome. More knowledge and education.

Absolutely. So I'm going to have, I'm going to have Doug send over math 15. I'll also have him send you the link to the Facebook group. Thank you so much. Thank you. You got it. And thank you so much for the support, Ashley. And you got the just great vibe from you.

Yeah. Appreciate it. Thank you. Well, you guys have a fabulous day. Just giving people bad news today. Can we just tell people what they want to hear? Getting lined up. You should do more.

No, I mean, I'm glad you brought up Doug. That's good because that's a good example. Doug's healthy and fit. Yes. And so the average person would look at him and say, well, what's wrong with cold plunging? But through his blood work and some of the tests we did with Dr. Cabral, Dr.

Cabral said, you know, cold plunging is contraindicated. It's actually not going to help you. Now for other people, it's great. And so this is a tool, right? All tools are good for the right job. Good candidates and not good candidates. That's right. Our next caller is Marcelo from Spain.

Marcelo, what's up? How can we help you? What's happening? How's it going guys? Good man. Yeah, awesome. I'm so glad to get to talk to you. What's happening? How's it going guys? Good man. Yeah, awesome. I'm so glad to get to talk to you.

This is actually my second call. You really helped me a couple of months before with a client. So I'm just here asking again, because I'm having a hard time with one client right now. I'm just gonna ask my question again. And the big picture is I have been working with a female client for like two years now. And as I say in my email, we successfully reversed diet

from 1,900 calories to 3,800 calories. And also really good results, really a strength gain. She feels a lot better. She's actually right to the point that she don't want to eat anymore, but she looks really great. She's really happy with it. But she, of course course wants to get to the next level and she really wants to make a cut and I don't know, like feel like have an amazing body,

like the best shaving of her life and I am helping her to go there. But I'm really struggling with that because we were doing all the right things. We were changing the training accordingly. And we were doing like a small deficit on calories, like starting with around 500 and then just small, small 10% increments. And now we are around 1,900 and she's not losing anyway. Did she lose any weight going from 3,00 when she first started going down?

Has she lost weight during the process at all? Yeah, she lost around 2 kilograms. That would be around 4 to 5 pounds, I guess. She lost only 5 pounds going from... Okay, so she went from 3800 calories to 1900 calories has only lost five pounds or two kilos. How long of a period of time is this? Yeah. For a couple of weeks.

Like I got a number here. So I'm going to like we have, yeah, from, from starting this year, she went from. Let me see from 74 kilograms 163 pounds and yeah to now yeah yeah from from february around february and now she weighs 72 kilograms and two kilograms less. And, and she's eating around 193 calories. Baby. When you, before she started working with you, did she do a lot of up and down weight loss, weight gain on her own?

Okay. So, okay. I've had, I've had situations like this. There's a couple of theories as to why. I know Jason Phillips thinks that the central nervous system has a memory of all the ups and downs. You will run into sometimes a person whose body, their metabolic adaptation downward is so profoundly fast that you'll take them in a cut and they'll

lose a little bit and then their body just plateaus very strongly. So I don't I would not keep cutting her. No no. I would put her I would bring her up a little bit I'd bring her up she's at 1900 I bring it to 2300 calories and I would stay there for a while and just try to get her strong. So my thought right away was 23 to 2500 calories and still focus like you're trying to build muscle and strength. And what I think will happen is she'll just slowly lean out right there. You won't see a lot of movement on the scale, but you should see improvement on her physique.

She should change, especially if you got her up to 3,800 and she wasn't putting on a bunch of body fat there. So you've got her going. I just think it's too much cutting her all the way down to 1,800 and she wasn't putting on a bunch of body fat there. So you've got her going. Uh, I just think it's too much cutting her all the way down to 1900 calories. And it's, it's, it's already adapted. And so, and I, I've had a couple of people like this where it was like, wow, what is going on, but some people, some people's bodies and it's, it's from, in my experience, it was because they, these were people that had done such extreme up and down weight loss, weight gain, weight loss, weight gain, weight loss, weight gain, that the body learns how to adapt very quickly to the, you know, the process of trying to lose.

So with these people, I took my time and I'd put them, I wouldn't put them in a severe, I wouldn't put them in a severe deficit. Like I said, like Adam said, 23 to 2500 calories and just, just for a long time, we're just going to try and get you strong. We're just going to try and get you fit. Even more specifically, what it would have looked like with this type of a client, what I would have done, you did a great job by reversing her up to 3,800. That's incredible. That's amazing.

And then I know what it's like to have a client that's like, OK, well, that's great. I mean, all this food, but I want to look this way. I want to get ripped. I'd say, listen, you've been doing so good. We're heading down the right path. I'd like to keep you here, but I understand. So let me show you something. We're going to do this just for the next two weeks. And I'd give her a nice cut for two weeks just to show her that feeling of leaning out and how quickly I can turn on it. But then I would be like, let's go back. And then I would keep doing that

with her. I try and keep keeping her in the direction of building muscle, building her metabolisms, keeping a healthy amount of calories. Whenever she gets a little impatient, I'd show her a little cut for a short period of time. I definitely wouldn't allow her to cut for months, a month or more at a time. That's just too long. Yeah, yeah. I just want to ask that, especially that, how do I communicate with her? Because she's do I communicate with her because she's really she's really like Like angry with herself because she's thinking about that. She's thinking about I can never go there You say I'm able but I don't I don't see it. I don't believe it Yeah, and I want and I am like like just drop the process. You're doing great. You're actually doing great

I show her the numbers. She's feeling feeling great she's amazing but she still has this perception you know of the social media and all that she just wants to look like like amazing like beach ready like because she's already working so hard she's really a really good client she just follow directions like to the letter. Remind her why she hired you, Marcelo. Why did you hire? You hired me for a reason, right? You hired me to help you through this.

And I'm telling, I've, and make her feel confident that you, you, you know, what you're doing, you've seen this before. This is what's best for us. I can give you what you want and just start cutting, but then let her know that what's going to happen. Um, we're going to lose a little bit and then you're going to plateau really hard. And then we're going to be doing all this work and cutting so many calories and you not getting the results.

We got to, I want to build a healthy metabolism. I want your body to work for you, not work against you. Like we gotta, we gotta keep going this direction. You just gotta trust me. And sometimes a mistake, I used to do this as an early trainer. A mistake that trainers and coaches make is we try to soften reality because we don't want them to feel bad. So we'll say things like, yeah, I know, but you're doing good and it was great

and all that stuff, which is true, which is very true, but you also want to be reality and you can say to her, look, the reality is for whatever reason, probably because of the ups and downs that you did with your weight in the past, your body's metabolism adapts very quickly downward. So this is just the reality. The reality is we can't just keep dropping calories because it's not going to work. So the reality is we have to continue to focus on getting you stronger. We have to teach your body it's okay to continue

to get leaner and that's not going to happen from cutting your calories anymore and aggressively trying to lose weight. Oh, and here's also the reality. If you compare yourself to people on social media, you're never going to be happy. So I think we should, so I think we should turn that off, but that's okay because you want to

be honest and you want them to accept reality because sometimes trainers, we try to make it soft. And then the person has these unrealistic expectations and then they get disappointed and the reality is her body adapts really quick downward. Speaking of being honest, Marcelo, why are you not in our coaching program with our trainers and coaches? Dude, of course I am. Of course I am.

Oh, why don't you use this in here, bro? These are great. You got a community. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And actually, I'm actually, I was going to because then I first, then I think about, okay, I'm just going to write an email first. Okay.

To see if I'm able to talk to you guys because you really helped me with a client before. Yeah, so and and then of course I I'm gonna reach to the people's club Personally, the only issue is I don't use Facebook that much. I only have it on my phone So, you know as a trainer, I'm not really that much on a phone daily basis. Yeah, so It's an amazing group I know there's a lot of great people there. Perfect. But yeah, I just I just want this chance to really help take this from all of you guys. Okay. And that because is that is there what what what says that the communication party is a really hard part with her because she already trust me she already see the we beat the plateau

we beat all their marks she feels amazing all the all his partner to tell her all the time she's really good she's really good she just want to take the last step and I and I already did that I already suffered the blow I already told her that that's not real nobody nobody looks that way especially when Not the same background that that's you have that I have that we all have and Yeah, I'm just and I told her Just give me your give me all your means of your full day full diary. Give me all your of your pictures I'm gonna tag with my teachers. And I'm gonna tell you because I have these guys

that for sure gonna know what to do. There you go, I like that, I like that. How old is she by the way? She's 29. Oh, she's young. Listen, get her strong. Get her strong, it's young. She's young. Listen, get her strong. Yeah. Get her strong.

It's gonna take a little while, but she's so young. Just keep getting her strong. Have her focus on strength the whole time. Here's what we're gonna do. I'm gonna bring you up to 2,500 calories. We're gonna forget about weight loss right now. I'm gonna get you really, really strong.

And the side effect of that is we're more likely to get that metabolism where we want, and we're more likely to prevent that negative metabolic adaptation. So let's just see how strong we can get you for the next year. That's gonna be the best thing you can do.

You can keep her focused for a year on getting strong and every month, month and a half, interrupt it with a short two week cut to show her and then what I would do is, you know, I make all my clients front, side, back, photo shot of themself at the same time, the same bikini, and then I just like, look it, I promise you we're shot of themself at the same time, the same bikini wear. And then I just like, look at, I promise you we're doing it.

I show her the difference between what you look like now and what you looked like two months ago of this process. Just, hey, keep going. We're doing the right thing. We go back to getting strong for a while. Then we interrupt it with a little shortcut. So she can, then we take the picture after two weeks and then we do it again. And I just keep doing that with her along the way.

You're doing a lot of the right things. I understand it's a, it's a, the communication. There's definitely an art. Yeah. There's an art to getting, getting clients to add here when, when they really want something and they don't understand that you're doing the right thing already. Yeah. Yeah.

But, but she, she will love that. She will really, she really liked to be strong. She really liked to get some big place. So she's going to love that. Oh good. Good stuff. All right, Marcelo. Thank you so much. All right, buddy. Yeah. Thank you guys. Thank you again. I really appreciate all the, all the things that you do. You are, I don't know, I don't know.

You are the, like the, the best thing out there for trainers. So I really appreciate it. Thank you for your time. And please keep it going. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, that's tough. I worked with someone like that. I have to, where it's like several people. Yeah. And it's just, it's, it's like, it's, you know, mystery. Yeah. Stubborn is the wrong word. Cause stubborn makes it sound like you could break the wheel of your body or whatever. It's just, it's just for whatever reason. And it's always,

in my experience, it was people that did these extreme ups and downs. And their body learned, it learned to become resistant. And so it takes a long time to get that body to be like, okay, we can get leaner. You know it's funny, because you always talk about, Sal, like evolutionary, right? It actually is a good thing.

Like you have this metabolism that adapts really quickly to the change in calories. So it's actually, it's just in modern times where we have access to so much food and it's so tough to do it. So in reality, it's actually- The theory is you got to make it, I mean, it sounds silly, but your body has to feel safe with being in a deficit, right? It has to feel safe. If it doesn't feel safe because it's experienced these extreme ups and downs before, it's gonna move in a quick direction. I mean, there's really two different ways

that I take care of this type of client. Either one, it's the, we put them like smack down in the middle, like 2,500 calories or so, we just stay there and we just try and get strong and the scale doesn't move much, but we just get a little leaner, a little stronger along the process. Or I allow them to run a little bit higher in calories,

interrupted with these monthly or bimonthly cut. For the psychological benefit. Yeah, for the psychological benefit. Just to show them I know what I'm doing, that I'm in control of this process, and you see how you feel just in two weeks, but we don't wanna keep going that way because then you're gonna get adapted

and we'll be back to square one. Just trust me that we're heading in the right direction. And then being able to show them, you know, sometimes when you get somebody who's hung up on the way they look, and that's what they want to see the change in, you know, trying to show them week over week is tough, like especially when you're- Yeah, but they feel like three month pictures.

Right. Sometimes they're like, oh my God. Exactly, especially if they're in a surplus trying to build the metabolism, they're really not gonna feel like they're getting much, so I would run those little mini cuts, take a photo of what they look like after that little mini cut,

compare it to the last time we did a mini cut and then go like, tell me, can you see the difference? And then, and help them see the difference if they can't. And then remind them that we're going down the right, the right path. Our next caller is Andrew from New Jersey. What's up, Andrew. How's it going guys? I appreciate you having me back. Oh man. Living the dream, living the dream. Okay. So I'm going to jump right into it

and I'm going to give you the thanks that you get every time that somebody calls. I really appreciate what you guys do. It's hard to find people that go from fitness and parenting to conspiracies, to nutrition. So I found my people. I'm a recent listener. I've just joined in you for the, you know, last couple of months. Uh,

but I really, really do appreciate what you guys do. Um, basically I had two questions. Uh, one of the questions I have answered for myself by listening to a lot of hours of a podcast. But, uh, the first one I'm still trying to figure out, which is basically I'm 39, uh 39 and about two months from now, I will be turning 40 and I would like to live my 40s much more healthy than I did my 30s. I've trained off and on pretty much my whole life,

did high school sports, found a kettlebell gym locally that I joined and was a member for, I don't know, five or six years after high school until that shut down, bought a bunch of kettlebells, um, and have been training kind of on my own at home since, um, I've have a ton of maps programs, but I've really only gone through anabolic, um, like in totality. That's the only one that I've really like gone all the way through. Uh, but the basic question is I have Prime and Prime Pro and I haven't figured out exactly how to like incorporate those as a program. So I was thinking, like, I mean, I'm getting older and I have two young

daughters. I don't want to be on the floor and grumbling every time, you know, I get down and try to play with them. So I'm like trying to figure out maybe I need to focus just on mobility before I really dive back into, into like strength or endurance training. I do, I do some endurance events. So I kind of lean heavily into like rocking specifically. Um, but yeah, so I, like I said, the question that I really have is, is how do I incorporate specifically prime Pro to, you know, get the movement patterns?

Cause I feel pretty jacked up. Great question. So Prime Pro, when you find the movements that work for you, uh, by doing some Prime Pro, you have movements in each, uh, or essentially tests in each category that help you see like, okay, I can see, I have some issues there with my ankles, my hips, my shoulders, pick one movement or two, uh, within those categories and the honestly, the best way to use prime pro is to practice those throughout the day. So, you know, three times, four times a day, spend three, four minutes

on one of those movements. Make sure you follow the cues, make sure they're done with intention. So it's not like a passive stretch. You're actually trying to activate while you're doing it. And the more you practice them, the more effective it's gonna be so it's a lot Less structure than a workout. It's more like a okay. I got combat stretch. You're teaching have wall circle Yeah wall circles and then you just you just you know throughout the day you practice them Think of think of think of prime is what is gonna set up to optimize my workout

So I'm gonna end the same kind of concept I'm only gonna pick two or three movements that I really need. It's normally something to do with like people's upper cross syndrome, or if they have an anterior pelvic tilt. I'm only gonna do a couple things that are really gonna prime my body well

before all my workouts. And then prime pro is more correctional. So like Sal, using the example, the ankle mobility, that was a big area for me. And so the more you do it, the better you are. Not like, oh, I need to do it longer, but more frequently. So like literally getting down and for like two minutes, that's it, just doing the combat stretch

and then going about your day. And then, oh, you remember two hours later, oh, I should do that again. Or you're just, you're down playing with your kid on the floor and you're like, oh, I'm gonna kind of do the combat stretch while I'm playing with my son. Yeah, so that's kind of how you wanna stretch while I'm playing with my son. Yeah.

So that's kind of how you want to think about prime pro. Prime pro is correctional. You can't do enough of those movements. Now, the only mistake I see people make with it is they're trying to do like seven different. I always recommend pick one or two that you need the most or that we see that we need the most and really ingrain that into your daily routine

of doing it a lot. And then you're gonna see major progress if you're very consistent with that over time. And then I'll start to build on that and add more things. Yeah, I think too, like, and it is a bit daunting for people when they look at a program like that. It's like, where do I even start? Yeah.

And so this is kind of like why we created these webinars and the one, specifically I'm going to talk to the one Adam did where he made a workout out of it. And so I think it's beneficial to do that initially just so you can find those greatest offenders. You might not know that off the top of your head until you're getting into these movements and you're really trying to work your way through. If it has a lot of difficulty and restriction there, you know, that's definitely one we need to highlight and then incorporate as the one to two to three, uh, that you focus on, that you kind of carry with you throughout the week. But there's nothing wrong with creating a whole workout out of that.

And the great, you know, a good way to follow that is to go to that, that webinar and kind of goes through that entire workout to see how something like that would play out. Now as a follow up to that, since this is going to be a priority for you going forward into that, I would like to see you kind of follow that up with some symmetry. So now we're establishing these better patterns, we're repeating them, but we're strengthening them. And so now you're getting strong in any left to you know, any left to right discrepancy,

we're going to really like sharpen up and create stability and strength. So when we get back into like training, like you're used to, uh, everything is going to feel like butter. Okay. Um, the webinar, is that on YouTube? Like I can find that on YouTube. It's actually in the program, Doug. Yeah. So when I actually be a link, it's actually in the, in there. I didn just a little. Yeah, it's actually in there. I didn't know, actually didn't know this until the other day.

I was actually. Primeprowebinar.com. Yeah, that's the, but it actually is in the program. Yeah. Did you know that? It is, and so is the. Oh yeah, that is correct, isn't it? Yes, yeah, I've been telling people

to go to PrimeProwebinar, the website all the time, but I guess we put it, we threw it in the program for everybody so we didn't have to keep doing that. Yeah, we do that prime, too. So it's a 50 minute workout, you'll see, and it's coached by me, by myself. And I love that Justin went that way because this is actually how I tell my family just to simplify it because they open it up and they're like, oh my God, where do I start?

I was like, listen, just do what I tell them to do. Saturday, I go Saturday morning, I want you to follow that 50 minute workout. Just follow it to a tee, put it up on the TV, do it in your living room four. And then I tell my family, like like pick two movements that were the most difficult for you to do. And then I just want you to frequently practice that as much as you possibly can throughout the week. And that means like multiple times a day, get down. You don't have to do them both together. You can break them up. You can do your one of the handcuffed rotations sometimes. And then other times you just do the common, just do them as much as possible and practice the way I taught you and

watch the improvement it makes by itself. And so that's exactly how I would actually recommend it. And I agree. Symmetry would be a great program to pair with all this. All right, Tuesday. I have symmetry. So that gives me something like a target to shoot for. Excellent.

I appreciate that. Thank you very much guys. I have one more quick question. If you don't mind. Do you think your forties is too late to get into the fitness game? No. Like as far as a trainer? Nah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

You'll be able to relate a lot. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of clients out there. Yeah. All that, all that wisdom, bro, that you've been getting, you know, so much of being a good personal trainer.

Uh, I mean, obviously understanding nutrition, biomechanics, stuff like that. These are, but a lot of it's just, uh, maturity communication. Like, I think we tend to, we tend to stereotype trainers as young because that's what we tend to see in the gyms. But in my experience, uh, all things being equal, the older trainer tends to get clients easier. They look more professional, you know,

like your 25 year old trainer versus a 45 year old trainer, all things being equal. Somebody's going to pay you 80 bucks an hour, 150 bucks an hour, whatever the 45 year old trainer versus a 45 year old trainer, all things being equal, somebody's gonna pay you 80 bucks an hour, 150 bucks an hour, whatever. The 45 year old usually does better. I think it should be just stereotyping, that's all. If you haven't, did you go through our free three day course? I did not, no. Oh, bro, mindpumptrainercourse.com. We'll send you the link, go through that,

it's a free three day training course, we teach you some good stuff. Awesome, I would definitely do that, I really appreciate it guys. Thanks for calling in. Later guys. Right. You got it.

Yeah. So good question. It's important for people to understand, you know, when you're doing correctional work, you're not focusing on hypertrophy. You're not, although it is strength building, it's not like traditional strength training, what you not like traditional strength training. What you're trying to do is develop better patterns, better movement, excuse me, patterns, and that means that the more you practice it, the better. So you're better off doing a little every day than you are doing a

lot once or twice a week. So that's why Prime Pro, it's like pick your movements, practice them. Repeat them, repeat them. Yeah. Don't do like one long workout and then wait five days before you do another one. That'll do something, but you'll get way faster results if you do a little bit every day.

I really think that I was lucky that when I went on this mobility kick, I was simultaneously still teaching at Orange Theory, and anybody who's been to an Orange Theory kind of understands the template where they have like, they have blocks or they have these short three minute blocks of you know working exercises or running on the treadmill and so every third minute I would have this thing where I send the people on a run for one minute or three minutes and I actually train myself to literally get right after I send them all right go all out I tell him run and then now it's like basically I don't have to talk for a whole minute or two I would get down and do the combat stretch for that minute and I practice that the entire day all day long

It's like really quick I was able to make a lot and that was the secret and it was not this like oh I spent an hour every day Doing in this mobility. It's like no I did these little frequent continually like repading this, my, my ankle mobility and the ability for my knees to drive over my toes. And then before you knew it, I had gained access to that. Totally. Look, if you like the show and you want to learn more about peptides, we have a free peptide guide, breaks them down for you, shows you what they do,

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