Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 238: Bad, BAD Sugar

Episode Date: February 15, 2016

At the turn of the 20th century sugar consumption was at a fraction of what it is today. Since then sugar consumption has skyrocketed and so has the incidence of diabetes and other chronic illnesses. Coincidence? Not likely. Sugar, and in particular fructose, has been shown to have an adverse affect on the body. Sal, Adam & Justin break down why sugar is a substance to avoid. Please subscribe, rate and review this show! Learn more about Mind Pump at www.mindpumpmedia.com

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Testing, testing, testing, testing! Oh, shit! What, what, you hear me? It's too loud in my ears! Oh, you can hear me?

Yeah, we can hear you. I can't hear anything. Sorry, yeah, that's the acumen. I was like, I'm like, I can't hear anything sorry shit. It's yeah I can't hear shit Somebody wiggles there oh little less dog little little little right there right there right there just a little bit Oh, you wiggle it just a little bit We go see you wiggle it just a little bit We go my dick That's how I wiggle my dick

All right, I'm gonna do it Hey are you down or what are we gonna do this? What are you talking about? We are going to no shave till November No shave till November That's what I'm saying What? I mean, that's a whole summer

Here's your rule. Here's your rule. I understand. Okay. I understand that. I don't want this to hinder Justin's ass getting ass. Right. I mean, that has to be considered.

So here's some of the rules. Okay. You can line it up all you want. Like you can do the neck thing around the around, you know, your lips. So your wife doesn't have to taste your hair all the time and you don't get food stuck in it. But you can't trim, you can't trim. You know, it starts to smell.

Gotta let it go. I won't do this. After all. First of all, because I look like a terrorist when I have long asses. That's right. So do I. No, you don't want South to part it.

I look way more like a terrorist when I do. Maybe we'll have a little competition. We'll see who everyone, all the listeners think looks like more like a terrorist. That is so racist too, by the way. It's the worst thing we've ever said. And it's the most racist. I'm not gonna get profiled. a terrorist. That is so racist too by the way. It's the worst thing we've ever said And it's not gonna get profiled. I apologize. That is so racist. I apologize to anyone listening. Yeah, Adam would make that joke Did not the sweetheart voices sound to say you know sometimes and that horrible shit Doug can you grow bearing? I don't know

If you're 40 something years old, you live still don't know if you can go buried. That's a no. Yeah, I'm not. I've got a lot of testosterone. He could grow a beard right now if you wanted to. Right now, would you? No, I can grow.

It's just spotty and ugly. Is it really? Yeah. I think you're learning. No, it's true. I'm looking at challenge your hair. I'm looking. And you gotta grow it out a little,

leading a sheep. Let's see who grow it out a little. I think Justin's gonna have the best looking one. Who has the best beard? I don't know. I think he's afraid to. Let's see who's growing out a little. I think Justin's gonna have the best looking one. Who has the best beer? I don't know. I think he's afraid to. Let me see. I'm a little afraid. You know what though, here's the thing.

I think my beer genetics are better than yours. Let me tell you why. It's naturally. It's got a win here. It's naturally shaped. Look at that. It looks like I didn't do anything. It's automatically, what is that word?

Perfect. It's automatically. It's not a word for it. Perfect. It's naturally perfect. It's not a word for it. Yeah. I don't, you know, it is a is a good looking beard mine mine goes nicely with my jawline I just think I just can reflect on Justin. I just think do you get a red beard? Yeah, yeah, yeah red pubes

Do you get the pepper? The great hairs are too great probably huh? You don't know how you ever grow I got some I gotta cut you definitely so I see yours from. I've got five. I've got like five years from here. I have like five white ones already coming in. I got a lot of gray in my beard dude. Look at that. It looks distinguished. Doesn't look good.

See, that's another reason why I don't want to grow long as beard. I have gray beard hairs. Yeah, but that looks, it looks, it's okay. It looks like I had good matches with the head. Yeah, it looks like a younger Gandalf. I don't want to do that. No, you told me. Gandalf is white bro.

That's why I said younger. He's like, I have some dark. He's like, years in the game. Yeah, I mean, that's not like a year. And, and event. And let's not forget, a long beard is a disadvantage in combat. You don't want someone to grab your beard. You know what I mean? Or get it caught.

You never know machinery. You never know when you're going to get into combat. Yeah, but you get argue that both ways. I mean, it could come in handy too. I mean, what if you're stranded somewhere where you're, it's freezing, it's below 30 to below, you're gonna want some facial hair, dude. Like, I do yard work.

I don't want my face to go as long as which my hands into it. I'm gonna be able to stick my, my little cold little mittens on my, we all still have shovel in my beard and my mustache. Really? Yeah. That's a, that's, that's a weird,

a weird picture. I kind of more want to just do one of those really crazy handlebar moustaches like the guy I said. Look like a bare knuckle fighter from the 18th century. If you grow that out, I'll do all the, you can't though, because I just don't grow it here very well. Like I wanted to. That's why I want to see everyone's full beard.

That was really good. It doesn't grow well all my lip. No, we should do, we should. We should write on pieces of paper, like a funny way to grow facial hair, throw them in a hat, and then we have to pick it. That's what we have to do. Oh, we should.

I like that. That's what I kind of like that. It has to, I mean, I just don't want the Hitler stash. Straight mustache. I mean, I was stuck. Totally, each person gets the pick one. They don't want the Hitler stash.

They put in the pile, then we see. Oh, wow. Hitler stash. Sorry, Doug. There's got to be some sort of money on the line or something though. Or though I'll see, I know you guys would back up. You guys aren't even ready to do They put in the pile then we see oh wow Hitler stats sorry Doug There's got to be some sort of money on the line or something though or though I'll see I know you guys would back You guys aren't even ready to do a gentleman's gonna grow in a normal beer if I make you grow a Hitler stash or a Charlie Chaplin Fuck it I want just to do that the chin strap just like the Irish Oh, yeah, like the leprechaun

It doesn't go all the way up. It's just kind of like, how you did I? At the bottom. Oh, I think at one time I rocked that, dude. I think everybody, yeah, Justin, you didn't do that. The chin strap or whatever. You put out a mustache? Yeah. You did go T.

Wait, no mustache just that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's just baggy, though. I had a serious go T. You had to go T. Yeah, it was professional. Whoa. Yeah. See, I want to see. I had a serious goatee. You had to go see. Yeah, I was professional. Well, yeah, see I want to see down. I could actually I could actually like make it into like one of those long ones There's all pointy and like I almost was able to bring it. See look like a goat. It was yeah, I feel like I'm

I thought our blonde I mean, baby girl's want to see that the Justin's favorite. Yeah, I do have a type. Yeah, dude. Did you guys see my Instagram post with my jeans that I was going to try and buy? Yeah, that was sexy. Dude, I go into Sal's Jagens. It was at what? Yeah, what was it?

H&M for men, right? H&M for men, Oak Ridge Mall. So I walk in there and he fucking hate chopping. Did your first mistake, were you in shopping at H&M? Dude, let's be honest, those are just tights. Bro, I told the girl, I said, listen, I have big legs and a small waist. I need jeans that fit me and she goes,

I've got the perfect jeans for you. Try these over here. They're stretchy and all kinds of big guys come in here by them. I looked at her and I said, I said, listen, I said, I don't think you understand. I said, yeah, where?

I said, I have really big legs. We're gonna live in small waist. I said, and she looks at me and she goes, no, no, these will work for you. She goes, what size is your understand. I hate buying jeans. Do you buy jeans just in Larius? Because you have a big ass. How do you, how do you do? It's very hard. I only have like a few brands have ever worked for me.

And you only, you can only wear jeans from the 90s. Apparently, yes, the big baggy ones. Yeah, yeah. No, you have to, all the way down. If you, I don't have any, definitely don't have any design. I'm just never tried those stretchy pants though. I'm also out of shopped at Amber Cromby in Fitch since I was fucking 15 either So it was H&M. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's right up there with that isn't it? No It's is there any is there anything in there that you can fit into?

There's a lot of cool clothes man, and like they could fit into jeans of work for me before like yeah fits It goes for the big ass and kind of tapers in I I ended up buying some jeans that were made for like bigger, you know, bigger guys, but they're still kind of tight around the ham area, right around, right below the butt. Oh yeah. So I feel like if I have to squat, it's either I'm gonna get lots of support

or shit's gonna explode on my pants. You know what I mean? I don't know. I think about that, because when I go out, I'm like, I wanna kick somebody, something happens, you know, and if I try and... Yeah, how the fuck is it? Yeah, how the fuck is that like my whole leg would shred through my pants

I'm supposed to do fucking karate and you have to be able to karate on command. I have never I have all the fights I've been in growing up as a kid. I have never thought to kick somebody. It's never thought until I started doing my time Oh, I really like kicking people. This is awesome. I almost think I thought I'd get into a fight and a guy kick me on my way into punch him in the face. That would probably fall over now. Just wouldn't see it coming, so it would break them. That would be a fucking epic move though. If you go for a kick and at the same time, you're fucking pantsing for it after.

Yeah. And you knock it out. That's not what would happen though. It would be knock dad your stand in there and your breathe. And then pussy would just stand there and like the superhero stands like, yeah. There'd be a pussy punami coming at you

just to just say tsunami of them. It's true. When they see that, your pants are dirty. Damn, my pants are gone. You know what I thought? I'd have like a catch line or something like that. I thought the post that you were talking about

was the sugar post. And I think that's a. That's your nickname. No, I. It's. It's. that's a that's your nickname. No, I. Yes, nice. Dude, I'm so going to get you. That was a fucking good one. I was playing nice with your fucking pants story over there. Let you off the hook.

So you're talking about the column sugar. You're talking about the sugar. You're talking about the sugar. The sugar Instagram post. Yeah, yeah, the sugar. Everyone sugar Instagram post. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the sugar. Everyone talk about sugar? Yeah, I do because I've actually had a lot of, so literally yesterday I had one client

message me and ask about sugar alcohol. I had another client just like maybe two days before that asking about what about sugar and fruit and you know, there's so many different types of sugars and fake sugars and sugar derivatives that not a lot of people understand how it works, how it affects the body, there's so many different types of sugars and fake sugars and sugar derivatives that not a lot of people understand How it works how it affects the body. What's good? What's bad? Well, here's here's something interesting I just the here's what prompted me to post that that particular post on Instagram I read this article where they had pictures paintings old paintings of fruit so like you know artists from you know Medieval times like, you know, artists from, you know, medieval times would paint, you know, portraits of fruit.

And they were showing the differences between what fruit look like back then and what it looked like now. For example, they showed a watermelon cut in half. Now, if you look at a watermelon now, it's all pink flesh and there's sometimes those black seeds and now they even have them without seeds, right? It's just pink flesh.

Watermelon back then was fucking way different. Oh yeah. It was like, there was very little flesh. It was big ass seeds and lots of white rind going through the entire watermelon. So one watermelon now is equivalent to probably three or four of the old-school watermelons in terms of the amount of sugar that contain because it doesn't have as much meat

and much of that consumable meat. Bananas are the same way. Like bananas, real bananas are the old-school bananas. You haven't seen those. Big seeds in them, there's like very little banana meat, very little sugar in them. So we've bred fruit to become sugar bombs. Like an apple today is worth like three apples,

you know, from a thousand years ago. Okay, what do they call that as far as like how we engineer that to happen, but we don't like genetically modify it. It's just breeding. It's just a lot of breeding. Yeah, because we're always looking for the highest calorie dense food and being able to grow it easily. For normal, obvious purposes, the number one cause of death or when the number one causes

of death was starvation or having food. So it's better to have it than to not have it, but in an era of plenty, like today, where food is easy, then it becomes a problem. So fruit just kind of reflects that. And I'm not saying food is bad for you, but there's a lot more sugar in fruit than there was a long time ago. And that got me thinking, you know, if you think of human evolution, sugar was pretty rare in nature. It's pretty rare. It carbohydrates actually are pretty rare in nature. They're very seasonal, which is probably

why the human body evolved to the, in such a fashion so much. Well, not only that, but it just, it doesn't need it. It's not essential. Yeah, yeah. You can function without it, and it is. Because it's probably long periods of human history

where we couldn't find any carbohydrates or starches or especially sugars. Yeah. Now in nature, sugars also come along with very important vitamins like vitamin C, for example, vitamin C in nature, it's relatively hard to find, unless you find certain plants and fruits. And sugar is a very fast digesting in your body utilizes it very quickly in terms of energy So it makes sense that you have this rare thing that has all this value if you find it that your body would crave the shit out of it when you found it you'd eat it

But we have so much of it around us now sugars and everything that it's become a problem because our bodies only have a limited ability Right. Yeah. What was that statistic atom on, like, how much sugar kills or sugary drinks kill each year? Oh yeah, over 24,000, the post-I did, over 24,000, a dozen more. People year, yeah, per year just from that. And that's some sugary drinks. Yeah, and that's not even including what we talked about as far as diabetes and heart disease. Heart disease.

Heart disease and everything that's related to all those and it's all linked to that. Since sugar is like the number one cause of obesity, obesity and all those heart diseases and stuff are caused from that. So it's all, I mean, you're talking about hundreds of thousands to millions of people a year are dying from this. And it was really something that you, if you speak out on it, you're, you're demonizing it, right? Oh, whatever, you know, to say

something like that. But then it's like this thing that everyone brushes under the rug because they use it in everything. It's like there's, and even, and they're now all these studies, everything is flavor based on our food show. Everything, everyone, and it's so addictive. The that's the port that's crazy is the addictive properties behind it, which is why I was so fascinated when I was asking you about your, your ketogenic diet and how

you've been going through that and about your cravings. And you notice that because I love carbs. I'll be the first one to admit that, you know, it takes willpower for me and self discipline to limit myself. I mean, I could sit down and eat candies and all the, and I know a lot of that is because as, as a young child, I was allowed to do that. And I did it growing up. I was able to eat pretty much whatever I wanted to

and I didn't understand what I was doing. And now it's something I have to battle. It's a craving that I've trained my body to have for so long. It's like a dopamine effect, right? Yeah, they eat in the brain. It acts on the body in similar ways to addictive drugs. This is why, I mean, okay, let me ask you guys a question.

Have you gone for long periods of time without any sugar or really limited sugar? For example, in your context, right? You notice how the craving for sugar drops. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Significantly. And then when you just get a little bit of it, it goes through the roof.

It goes through the roof, right? Yeah, and that's, you guys realize that's classic symptoms of what addiction is. Or any addiction, is that like if I become addicted to a drug, I'll crave more and more of it. If I break that cycle and stop it after a certain period of time, I'll lose that craving. And let's say, it's exactly like that.

It's exactly the same feeling that I would get when I would take the sugar away in my diet. And now, in my view, I would still have fruit up until almost contest time, but I would really, really minimize it in comparison because when you really start to dive into all the four to eight grams of sugar, yeah, not finding fruit. It's like nothing. Yeah, nothing. And the amount of fiber that you get from an old canceled

cared with fiber has neutralizing effects. It's through fruit we found. Exactly. Which that is okay. When you start, it's all the other stuff that was so, was so bad and when that went and I remember when I get to about I don't know two weeks into the diet or so I no longer I no longer even care about it It's not even and then what happens when I do bite into an apple or I bite into a straw taste more sweet

Oh my goodness. It's just it's like a whole it's like I'm eating a whole different food that I never found before. And my body has no desire even for it, but the moment I decide, oh shit, my contest is over, I'm going to enjoy myself, I'm going to have, you know, a cup cake or this, it's then I can't stop it. Then it's like, and this is also why there's this huge issue with bodybuilders and competitors and bikini athletes out there,

is they go on these benches afterwards. And a lot of that is because they're addicted to all those sugars. They pull them out for a show for an extended period of time. And then they reintroduce them. And then they just, and then they have this, this feeling of, oh, I already, I accomplished this, I got on stage.

Hurrah, I, I've earned this to do this. And so I allow myself to, and I know this because I've been a victim of myself. And it's not, I shouldn't say victim, I chose to do it, you know, but I'm aware of it. I saw I saw what I didn't thought wow that's crazy easily I could instantly put all the way back on you know a lot of researchers now believe that that sugar is the ultimate and primary cause of the obesity epidemic in Western societies they They say that sugar now

They that that may be the ultimate driver for all these chronic diseases that have developed over time. They believe that it's definitely a chronic driver of inflammation, health problems like obesity, diabetes, heart disease. Has to be number one on the list. It's one of the top ones.

And they're finding now, we've known for a long time that sugar drives cancer, or at least cancer, you know, eats sugar very quickly. But fruit toast, there's a type of sugar that seems to be the worst when it comes to cancers. And that's because the liver has a very limited ability to utilize and metabolize it. And so this whole cascading effect happens

when you consume more than you deliver. Well, what happens with fruit toasts is, you know, where our body when regular sugar comes in, you get insulin released from the pancreas, which is the regulator for that. So it regulates it basically helps the body tell what it how it should be utilized. Well, when fruit toast comes in, it doesn't regulate. It doesn't recognize it the same way and the insulin isn't released and there is no regulator so they say one third of that ends up getting stored right away as fat. So when you consume that like you're just

eggs in fruit toast is in almost everything man. I like all there's so much. Well the main three monosaccharides. Yes. Well, here's one of the, here's a problem. Your tax dollars fund corn is one of the main crops in America. And corn is used to make hyphructose corn syrup, which is why everything is flavored with hyphructose corn syrup. Well, that's because it's cheap. Yeah, and it's cheap. And so they found creative ways, just like with oil, you know, they found new ways to use petrol.

You know, use, like it used to be used as what butane, and then they figured out with chemistry, what they could turn it into as far as oil and gasoline, and all that sort of thing. Same thing with, you know, the corn and wheat farm industries. It's like, they found a lot of creative ways to reuse product, and therefore, you know, didn't cost the whole lot for them to produce. And now we see it everywhere.

In every processed food, we see corn, we see high fructose corn syrup, we see all these, it's just like sprinkled in everything. Nine at a 10 times, if something has added sugar, it's from high fructose corn syrup. Yeah. I was looking at this study, this will trip you out. If people ate 21% or more of their daily calories in the former sugar, they were twice as

likely to die from heart disease compared to people who got much less amounts of sugar. The risk was tripled among those who consumed 25% or more of their daily calories from sugar. These are big, big studies that they're doing. That's a huge difference. Imagine doubling or tripling your risk of death because not because you're necessarily eating more, but just because a lot of your macros come from sugar. You see what I'm saying?

This is another nail in the coffin of the whole if it fits your macros, you know, deal, where they tend to, some people, not all, some of them tend to throw caution to the wind and say, look, sugar's carbohydrate just added in your calories, you're fine. No, no, that's not true at all. I don't want to, I hate demonizing, you know, things in food. And I'm not saying sugar is, you know, just avoided completely. But sure, if you were to avoid it. I mean, the concentrated version of it, right? And I think that's what people

can say for me. Yeah, go eat as much sugar. Eat as much sugar as you want. Dude, you forget the fact that, like if they did that with protein, let's talk about, okay, how many times would they take the original, like say sugar cane or sugar beet? How many of those do they need to be able to create

like one tablespoon of sugar? It's like unreal. Yeah. Now say you do that same thing with meat. It's just like, oh, exactly. It's an insane amount. So you gotta put things in perspective. It's not just that, you know, we're demonizing it

as a food group. It's that it's so overly like in excess that it's shocking to the body. That's toxic. Well, how many, I's that it's so overly, like in excess, that it's shocking to the body. That's toxic. Well, how many, I don't remember the statistic, Adam, you said it a few times, like how many sugar canes or whatever. No, if you were to take how much sugar is in one coke,

how much sugar cane would you have to eat to consume that much sugar? And it's eight feet of sugar cane. Yeah. Which sugar cane is like bamboo. So literally, you would burn more calories, eating it. You're in your teeth. Yeah, these plants are so fibrous.

It's like, it's insane. So the concentrated version looks nothing. And that's where people, and that's, I don't mind demonizing stuff. I know you try and stay away from that because you always try to be politically correct. I don't give a shit. Bottom line is there's a lot of stuff out there

that is fucking not good for you. I'll be that, you know what? And you can, I can put a spin on everything that is not good for you and put a spin on some of the benefits that are behind it, you know, just like Justin just threw out that a lot of this stuff is derived from plants that are high in fiber and stuff like that, right?

So you're getting benefits from that. And that could be the argues. I could tell you this whole spin on why fiber is so important to your body and why you need it and you get that, right? So you're getting benefits from that. And that could be the argues. I could tell you this whole spin on why fiber is so important to your body and why you need it and you get that from sugar. Well, here's the thing, it doesn't matter because there's enough bad shit going on, especially when we concentrate it

to the level that we concentrate it. That, and that's really what's wrong with a lot of our processed foods is that it's so highly concentrated. And the body was just not meant to take in that much at one time. Will you die from the night tomorrow? No, but maybe from 40 or 50 years of doing it, you know, think about that shit. And we don't. And it's hard because everybody is, everybody's got sugar. I mean,

if you look, if you look, if you're opening anything from a box or a wrapper or drinking something from a can, flip that shit around. And then the big spin is, okay, now we know that sugar's bad for us, but now we have all these artificial, which takes me to the next section of this topic, is how bad artificial sweeteners are for us. And more and more studies are coming out on the effects when that. I mean, as per tan, we are rocking as per tan for a hot 10 years there, and then we found out, oh, shit, this is proven to be cancerous. Now we gotta scratch that and now we got

these other alternatives that we're going at. And now we're starting to find out that it alters your gut, flora and things like that. So. Well, it's been linked to obesity. So it doesn't, it's not an alternative that keeps you leaner. It's definitely gut flora alterations,

been linked to inflammation and animal studies, cancer and animal studies. And of course, consuming the recommended amounts of them are going to cause any of these problems. But if you consume them over the course of 5, 10, 15, 20 years, which a lot of people do, you know, I'm not saying something that's rare. People that drink diet coke drink diet coke every day and they drink it for years. And if you're looking at some of these problems or some of these issues that build up over time,

it's not a good idea to be consuming them. But even back to sugar, it's interesting. Things found in nature that we have consumed forever are usually typically fine. It's when we take those things and we put them in concentrations or we remove the other things that they come with that we get problems.

I've used the example of white willow bark. I've used that before. White willow bark has a chemical in it that's almost identical to aspirin. Okay. You would be hard pressed to eat too much white willow bark or to use it in a way that would make it toxic. But it would be easy to take too much aspirin because it's so concentrated. Of course, there's poisonous plants out there and poisonous things you should need. But when it's something you can, you consume on a regular basis, if it's a macro nutrient or whatever, it's usually not found in those concentrations. And sugar is one of those things. Like, tell me one thing, what honey, honey's concentrated sugar, is it easy to get honey

in nature? That's just it. Like, is it easy? It's an easy, it's impossible. Yeah, that's why it was a's easy. It's impossible. Yeah. That's why it was a celebration, right? And everybody got the shit stung out of them. You know, knock out of the tree.

If you've ever seen the video, I remember seeing this video somewhere in South America. This guy was traveling and he was like trying to be part of this tribe. And it was their tradition to go out hunting like once a month for one of these like crazy bees nests? It's like, those kind of bees that have the, I don't know what the sting factor is, but it's really painful. And so he's trying to be tough and be like one of the tribe.

And so he goes up and tries to hack it down and these bees start stinging him. And he's just like, ah, dying. And then everybody one by one goes and tries, goes and tries, it takes like 20 people. And then finally, somebody gets it down. And then they like hack it up, they eat it right away.

And then that was just it. It was a huge celebration. That's how they got sugar. Yeah, it's an easy to overeat sugar. And when that's how you get your fucking sugar, you know what I'm saying? Like you should be allowed to have sugar at that point. Well people don't really think of it like that though, you know?

No one thinks of it like that. Because everyone who listens right now this was already happening, getting bottled and canned before that. So no one thinks back to like, how was this really found? And how would you normally consume this before technology, you know?

It's also extremely inflammatory. I mean, this is, I'm gonna speak from anecdot now, but numerous clients, I can't even tell you how many will notice a reduction in inflammation by eliminating sugar. I've had so many clients that have come in with chronic, mysterious pain.

And as trainers who've been doing this long, and if you know exactly what I'm talking about, you correct the imbalance, everything looks good, they've gotten MRIs, they've gotten X-rays, they still got arthritis in all these things. They've still got symptoms of pain. Is it due to their emotions? You're trying to figure that out.

Next thing you know, they cut sugar out, back pain is gone. And it was like within like by day seven. And it hasn't come back until I eat sugar. It's very inflammatory in the body. I notice it for me, man. Oh yeah. And even then too, when it's not the sugar,

like I've had clients that have cut the sugar as far as the refined sugar, but they didn't cut out alcohol, they didn't cut out the wines and all that. And yeah, then once they cut it out, oh my God, I don't have these pains in my wrists and my knees feel a lot better. And it's crazy, because if you're in a state

of chronic inflammation, it's a response. It's a response your body has to that. And you are gonna feel symptoms and these arthritis and pains. So one of the worst things is our fruit juices, people don't realize that. I think it's all natural. You know, we're giving them to our kids. Yeah, it's pure apple that. I think it's, because it's all natural. We're even going to do our kids.

Yeah, it's pure apple juice, there's no ingredients, no added sugar or it's pure grape juice or whatever. That's a glass of sugar. It's not as bad as a soda, but it's definitely a glass of sugar. You're giving your kid a... Well, let's be honest, how much pulpy juice are they drinking right? Nothing.

Well, even then, I mean, like the concentrated version that's not far off. No, it's drinking pulpy juice or they drink right? Nothing. Well, even then, I mean, like the concentrated version of that. It's not phony's drink and poppy juice. It's not phony's from soda. No, the difference is it's not made with processed corn syrup and it's not, it's got some nutrients naturally inside of it. But yeah, an eight ounce glass of apple juice has got a frickin' nice amount of sugar

and you're giving that to your kid. And I see babies. I see babies with their little sippy cups and it's full of juice. Yeah. You know, that's not a good idea. And they start to prefer that. Well, I can't treat you, you can't you. Change their palates, man.

I tell this all the time. A parent said, talk about how, oh, it's, wait till you have the battle trying to feed your kid. You know, it's so hard. It's so hard. Well, yeah, no shit because you put fucking apple juice in this tippy cup. You know, I'm saying like, it wouldn't be that hard right now. Had you not done that, that you would have fed him right.

Then he wouldn't have been craving that many grams of sugar. The tippy cup. I had to. Doug is like, you got to get him. It is true though. It is absolutely true, especially with children, like, you know, giving your kids, even they even have studies. Now this is trippy. The trip absolutely true, especially with children, like giving your kids, even they even have studies now,

this is trippy, the trip off this. They have studies showing that mothers, what they eat while the babies in utero, will influence the babies palette when they're born. So if the mother eats vegetables, the baby's more like a bird. Like vegetables, or if the mother eats lots of sugar or the kid.

You know, you mentioned that before about that new science coming out of that. And to me, that just before science even came out, that just seems obvious to me. It's like you're feeding your body, your child is living off of your body. You know what I'm saying? It's a very critical stage of, you know, development. You're transferring all this information over to your baby while they're in your womb, you know, through nutrients and, through nutrients and daily activity and talking, and they're brain and everything is forming.

And all these things are impressions to them, and you don't even realize it, it's a trip. It is crazy how our brains are wired to once it tastes sugar to crave it. I mean, and that happens in humans. They've done MRIs on people consuming sugar and the MRI, they're called F MRIs, where they can see where the brain is,

where more blood flow is going. And it's remarkably similar to cocaine, more heroin. I mean, it's amazing, it's fascinating. Well, I tell you what, anybody who's listening to this right now, I challenge you to do this. Do this literally for three weeks. Three weeks take sugar completely out of your diet.

Take it out of your diet. Other than like, no artificial sugar. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. All our name, the one I'm taking in front of it. All artificial sweeteners out. Take all sugar.

Anything for OL behind it. Yes. No sugar alcohol. None of that. Take artificial sweeteners out, take all sugar. Anything for OL behind it. Yes, no sugar alcohols, none of that. Take all that out for three weeks, okay, and watch what happens. Watch the way you feel, and then if you feel like it, and you reintroduce sugar, pay attention to what happens right after you reintroduce it. And pay attention to the way things like fruit

end up tasting like. And you can even have that, you can still eat fruit. Just, I mean, choose a lot of your stuff like your berries, your strawberries, your blackberries, your blue berries, your raspberries, these foods that are lower on the glycemic index, more bang for your buck for what you're getting know. This is just a great practice in general. I know we've sort of voiced this before, but it's just the elimination diet. It's I think everybody should really experiment with themselves

with that and just taking one thing at a time. So whether it's dairy, whether it's wheat with gluten or you know, whether it's like sugar, especially that I would start with sugar. And then just see how your body reacts and it feels. And it doesn't necessarily mean that like you're looking to target something that might be, you know, an intolerance you have. It's more just like understanding how your body is reacting to these things as you eat them. Now, in the past, I will say this, in the past, because of some studies, I have told some of my clients who are high performing athletes that having some sugar with protein post workout will improve the recovery. I don't know

if you guys remember that, we used to say that that all time. Of course. And there is some science now that counters that and says that that's probably not going to do what you think it's going to do. So, and the more I look at it, here's how I view performance enhancement when it comes to diet or even supplements. There's a risk versus reward, right? Let's say I increase my performance by 1%, and most of us are average gym rats. We're not competing for a gold medal at Olympics, but it's also giving us a health detriment. Is that 1% increase in performance worth it?

You know what I mean? No, I honestly don't think it is. I think it's two negatives. Yeah, I'm thinking no. Now, if you're competing for the Olympics and there's like, you know, point one second is gonna make you win or lose, then okay, fine.

You know, go for that extra little boost. But if sugar post workout provides, and I think it's splitting hairs, any type of a benefit, you're probably better off without it. And I don't even have it anymore. I don't, I used to do that, I don't do anymore. I just do pure protein powder post workout,

and then 30, 40 minutes later I have a meal. Well, it's interesting you bring it up and I agree. I was listening in Mark Sisson I believe his name is the the primal blueprint guy. He was talking about post workout meal and recovery So the idea is to recover right because you just usually use it on your like days where you're really Doing like a leg day, something high intensity. And so the reasoning, he was, he was giving like a either or a situation. Do I go fasted after my intense workout or do I go post recovery sort of a, you know, a protocol for that?

And he was, he was explaining the difference. So if I was to then try and duplicate the next day a more of a high intense type of workout, then he would probably go more with a post recovery workout, shake, something like that. Versus going fast did that there are benefits to going fasted now. It increases your growth hormone and your testosterone. So you have to consider that as well. Right. Which is an interesting kind of either or. So you both benefit. Right. And then here's the other thing too, because I've also heard the argument of eating carbohydrates and even sugars at certain times in order to spike insulin because insulin by itself can be very anabolic. Insulin will drive amino acids into muscle. But then there's this counter argument in which if you don't get spikes in insulin, even if you time the right, if you don't time them, you just never get them, that the body just

becomes hypersensitive to insulin's effects, and you don't need insulin to be higher to get the anabolic effect. It's anabolic all the time because you're so sensitive to its effects. This is why people become resistant to insulin because they constantly have the sugar floating around. And their cells can't uptake any more glucose and so it stops listening to insulin, you become insulin resistant. This is why we back intermittent fasting. I mean, that's one of the things why we would try and counter that response of always having this Access, this is also why yeah fasting is definitely good on and I want we need to say this before we say that because some people are gonna Go look up on the internet how to do fasting you got to do it right

Yeah, I want to say that's there's one caveat if you do it right fasting can be very effective and good for you Do it wrong can be bad we have a guide mind pump.com. Go ahead Adam. Yeah, no, I, not only fasting, this is also where carbs cycling became very popular too, is that whole idea of taking away depleting the carbohydrates, then you, when you free introduce them, which fascinatingly enough, the guy that's behind carbs cycling has actually reversed his stance on that because he saw the detrimental effects with these high performance athletes with inflammation in their joints and how how much of a detriment it was to them and with their longevity versus being running on key key to key to key to key to key to jack dyes yeah yeah oh wow so that key the guy that's responsible for that actually reversed it and he's getting a lot

of flag from the scientific community. So it's very interesting. Oh, wow. That's what I will say this because you just brought up ketogenic diet and people are going to think like we're super pro ketogenic. No, this is all new stuff to me. Yeah, we're not. I eat that way, but just in an atom both don't.

And here's the thing with the. I probably live closer to a carb cycle with a fast life. Yeah, yeah. I would try and put myself in a box, even though I try and stay. I would totally agree with that, based upon how I know you eat. But the human body is incredibly adaptable when it comes to food.

And so there's cultures that eat diets that are high in carbohydrates, there's other cultures that are diets that are high in fats, and both can be very, very healthy. I wanna make sure I say that, but you will not find a culture that is among the, you know, the blue zones of the world or where people live to 100 years or longer and disproportionate levels, you will not find a single one that has a diet

high in sugar. Sugar is universally bad in all cultures. Now cultures will include fruit in their diet, but you're looking at one, two pieces of fruit a day, and they're typically in some of these older cultures, fruit that's grown pretty close and not mass produced. And why does that make a difference? Have you ever looked at an apple at the grocery store versus the one that you grow in your backyard? You ever look at this difference in size and some of these strawberries

can get them to outlast for a long time. Yeah, how do they do that? Like some of these strawberries are just massive. I've grown strawberries, we're gonna look anything like the ones at the grocery store, the dinosaur ones So, yeah, so it's important to note that you can eat different ways and be very healthy, but sugar almost universally is, it's okay in very, very small amounts.

It's almost never good in very, very high amounts. And there's gonna be anecdotes. I guarantee you there's some bodybuilder, some strong man or whatever, that eats a candy bar every day and you know, performs at a very high level. But we're talking on a mass general level. And for most of you listening, avoiding sugar,

limiting it or avoiding sugar is a good idea. For the most part. At all costs, I think the only way that, I mean, your goal or my goal is always the only bit of sugar I wear ever and take kids coming from fruit. That's my goal. My goal is always that's where I want to get in.

And Captain Crunch. Yeah. But he's a Captain Crunch guy. You don't like Captain Crunch? No, my sir, I was a fruity pebble. Oh, fruity pebbles? Yeah. Captain Crunch was good, but then it would shred the fuck out of your mouth.

Dude, that's why they always toward the front. It's CTC bro all day. What's that? Cementos crunch. Oh my god bro, that's like crack cocaine. That is the highest content of sugar around. That's why it was bad. Is that the highest? I don't know, but it felt like it.

Have you ever eaten anything? Yeah, it makes my stomach hurt. When I was a kid, I got diabetes from it. It's like, it's just the angel dust that you just, I don't know. How big is that? How big is the cereal market, dude? Cereal, it's shrinking, but it was huge at one point. Oh, is it shrinking?

It is, because more. More people are figuring it out, putting it together. Yeah. Wait a minute. Yeah. I'm pretty much poisoned, you might get it. I'm pretty much sitting in my... So lethargic all day.

I don't get it. If you're gonna feed your kid sugar, excuse me, cereal, don't get the sugary cereals. You can get the regular ones made out of oatmeal and rice. Oh wait, I get it. But give them the targic all day. I need energy drinks. Yeah, I get it. We're sugaring them.

Give your kids, if you're gonna give them cereal, note, give them the target all day. I need energy drinks Give your kids if you're gonna give them cereal note give them the low sugar one and give them whole milk Give them the whole milk that fat will reduce that Milk, well if they can't have dairy if they but just give them a whole you know give the fats and milk is good for them Yeah, I drink all milk any race that whole milk You don't stay away from the dairy your dairy intolerant right not not tolerant Did I just stay away from just too connected with the others? Yeah, really you can drink milk no problem. I drank too much. Yeah, I could drink milk no problem Oh, yeah, yeah, I for a long time I drank cold and I went to two then I went to one then I went to non fat forever

And then I realized how loaded full sugar that shit was yeah, let's go. Yeah, it's like that's a sugar Yeah, sugar with no fats, quick absorption. What about you? Oh yeah, Justin, you can have anything I cast iron stomach. Exactly. Well, I cause my mom lived in depression, era tactics, whereas you just leave everything

that was bad for like years and we'd eat it. What? I was like, fine, I could never eat leftovers. Ever. Still to this day, because of that you were traumatized. I just, I just, I know like, fine. I could never eat leftovers. Ever. Still to this day. Because of that, you were traumatized. I just, I just, I know everything's old.

That's me, right? My mom was the same. I showed sage, she'll play some of the five nights later, and we'd be like, wait a sec, there's like five nights ago, we can't eat this. Wait, so I was the only one that's ever like, been like, hey, you realize this is like, you know, from Thanksgiving, right? Oh no.

I never knew that. Let me ask you that. It's gonna get mad at me because I won't, like if it's been a day old in there, I'm like, no, throw it out or you need it. I'm not a union. Really? Yeah. Well, let me ask you guys this,

because you were saying you ate a lot of sugary cereals and shit when you were kid. Yeah. Is that true for you too, Justin or is that? I did, yeah. You did? I ate terrible food, yeah. I grew up on that shit too, man.

And the morning. And the ice cream was for them before and ice cream before bad really yeah Ice cream for dessert. Remember how much of a thing dessert was you always had to have dessert because I ate my dinner By the way brilliant marketing whoever came up with that shit every every meal have dessert You have to have dessert my best friend. Where's my dessert? She cooked for she had all boys So two boys and her husband and like, and they're all big, six foot plus football players and stuff. And so she always cooked like crazy amounts of food. And every night you go over there,

she always had like two desserts lined up for like, you had to, I was the best house ever to go to. Like it was like, there was always a cake and a cook type of cookie that was like freshly baked. So see, ladies and gentlemen, we don't hate it. We actually, we love it. Yeah, just like you do. Yeah, but it's bad see, ladies and gentlemen, we don't hate it. We actually do. We love it. Just like you do.

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